Author Topic: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)  (Read 8423 times)

Mr.Magic

Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« on: July 14, 2014, 12:04:44 AM »
I'm going to make this short and sweet

Includes:
Pixel Precise Gaps
Fast bullets
Cheesy dialogue
Curving Lasers
Lag that makes you run into a bullet
Lack of fighters (IMO)
Easy mode is actually really hard
Lack of lives
Lasers that don't despawn (Happens in danmakufu sometimes)
Glitches

Do you agree? Reply and tell me.

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 09:21:53 AM »
Pixel Precise Gaps
Very very few are actually pixel precise, if any.  Practice precision.
Fast bullets
Nope, completely fair, and the bullets are slower than most games in the genre!
Cheesy dialogue
Lots of games have this, so?
Curving Lasers
These take a bit of getting used to, but the curving is predictable.  Fair.  Bit on the weird side, sure, but not unfair.
Lag that makes you run into a bullet
Translation: my computer is bad and lags games which makes me die sometimes :(
Lack of fighters (IMO)
Easy mode is actually really hard
Lack of lives
More fighters than other shmup series (seriously, the weird part is that there are ANY), easier easy than others in the genre, more lives than others in the genre.  Ummmmm, slightly weird sure, but not unfair.  Practice more.
Lasers that don't despawn (Happens in danmakufu sometimes)
Glitches
Games have glitches.  That's not weird.  None of the Touhou glitches are unfair except the TD extra mode crash and he PoFV charge bug.

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 03:22:05 PM »
You are an awful troll, but I will answer in a manner that suggests I don't think you are just being stupid.

Yeah, the gap not being 3 character-lengths wide makes it pixel precise. The most movement precise thing I have ever done is Honest Man's Death supergraze, and even that is not pixel-precise. The closest thing to pixel precise is probably One of Ichirin's supergrazes or some PCB border or Hourai Jewel. Some random supergraze basically that you will never do unless you are doing high level scoring on lunatic mode, mostly. There's dumb shit like Apollo 13 but nobody does that crap anyway. Survival play will usually not involve pixel precise dodges unless you get shitty RNG on Remilia's Vampire Illusion or something. A ridiculous complaint.

The only games with fast bullets all over the place are the phantasmagoria games. So PoDD and PoFV. Yeah, PoDD's bullets are lightning fast, but you almost guaranteed don't even play it, much less on lunatic where it's actually present. And PoFV has a lot of things to compensate for the bullets if you can't dodge them like the level 2 area cleanup-thing. Another moot point.

The next 3 don't interest me as they're just really silly again. Dialogues have no influence on gameplay and just because you can't dodge the curved lasers doesn't mean they're unfair. Also your computer being shit has nothing to do with the game.

Lack of Fighters: Wow man, Since when is it a requirement that a STG series has fighting games? As IHNN said this point is completely ridiculous and it's weird that there are any in the first place. They're more like fangames than official Touhou games in the first place.

Easy mode being too hard: git gud, scrub

Lack of Lives: The game with the least amount of lives is PoDD and again, I doubt you even play it. In fact, you're likely just playing the windows games only in which game EoSD and MoF give you the least lives which makes you look silly because you get 8 extra lives. For MoF that's enough to bomb literally every boss pattern and still clear and for EoSD that is enough to at least bomb/tank through every difficult attack in the game.

None of the Touhou glitches are unfair except the TD extra mode crash and he PoFV charge bug.

That is false, IHNN. in UFO you can randomly die to nothing in some of Ichirin's spells. It doesn't happen very often, but I've seen it happen against the midboss card and the 2nd to last spell. Another maybe unfair thing is the glitch Chiyuri and Marisa are experiencing in PoDD. When they use a charge attack they can't bomb until it left the screen, which often gets you hit in bad situation if you're used to bombing things while charge attacking. DDC crashing on stage 4A on lunatic also wasn't exactly fair ;) There are likely more that weren't all clean, but for the most part the bugs in the games are mostly harmless and exaggerating the frequency of gamebreaking glitches is ridiculous

Go troll somewhere else, Mr Magic, or Trollface. Whatever you prefer. I don't even why I wrote this. I have too much freetime on my hands.

Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 04:04:25 PM »
Impossible spellcards like Night Bird, Water Elf, Forest Blaze and Thousand Needle Mountain.

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 04:46:24 PM »

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2014, 04:49:26 PM »
Kagerou. The epitome of unfair.

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2014, 06:06:20 PM »
To be fair, UFO does have its share of bullets that are both fast and chaotic. In Extra and later stages of Lunatic, that is. But they're nowhere near being Psikyo-level fast, so they're fine.

And curvy lasers are the best, what are you talking about :trollface:

Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2014, 07:00:38 PM »
Impossible spellcards like Night Bird, Water Elf, Forest Blaze and Thousand Needle Mountain.

Yeah, like no matter what I do, I just can't-

« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 07:05:37 PM by Lanaryu »

Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2014, 08:45:37 PM »
I really can't think of anything truly unfair in Touhou that isn't a glitch (PoFV bug, bullets from Sinkable Vortex affecting the noncard, and that vid I saw of the noncard after Sinkable Vortex having some of the bullets come up from the bottom of the screen). Maybe if we count stuff like certain GFW Gold Medals.

And I should really get back to Touhou. When they said Night Bird, I was thinking of Mystia's cards from IN, which aren't unfair either since the slow bullets give you the time to react. Which shows how long it's been since I've played the games.

MoF MarisaB is also completely unfair.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 08:52:04 PM by Chaotic Phoenixma »

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2014, 10:16:44 PM »
Goodness, OP. With all this unfairness and injustice in Touhou, maybe you should ask ZUN for your money back. I'm sure you dropped quite a lot of money on the games to be speaking about them with so much entitlement, yes?

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2014, 10:18:32 PM »
Spoiler:
>money

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 10:30:44 PM »
Spoiler:
>money
Spoiler:
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"Human history and growth are both linked closely to strife. Without conflict, humanity would have no impetus for growth. When humans are satisfied with their present condition, they may as well give up on life."

Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2014, 11:09:50 PM »
Pixel Precise Gaps
I can definitely agree with this one.  Some shit is just too fucking hard.
Fast bullets
Gets me blood pumpin  :D
Cheesy dialogue
Maybe it would be nice if humans ate mice
Curving Lasers
Fuck Shou.
Lag that makes you run into a bullet
Yeah, PCB with no vsync patch is stupid.
Lack of fighters (IMO)
Another agreement.  We haven't had one since 7.5 ;_;.  Come on Tasofro, let's drop the flight sims and make some fighting games!
Easy mode is actually really hard
You don't even know the half of it man.  Easy mode is fucking terrifying.  Worst than Lunatic sometimes.  I'm lucky if I can get past stage 1 within an hour or two...
Lack of lives
Definitely.  I only cleared DDC on my last life with the amount of extends it gives.  Fortunately you get a lot of bombs, or I'd be fucked.  Here's the replay.
Lasers that don't despawn (Happens in danmakufu sometimes)
Well that's just a bad script if that happens.  Programmers should git gud ;)
Glitches
I don't know what you're talking about.  Myon.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2014, 12:27:29 AM by Great Birdhou Daishougakusen »

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2014, 11:35:51 PM »
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Cheesy dialogue
Doesn't it look like he's saying "The saint was crucified on the cross"?

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2014, 01:09:40 AM »
Doesn't it look like he's saying "The saint was crucified on the cross"?

More like "humanity started using the decimal system."
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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2014, 01:13:45 AM »
Maybe it would be nice if humans ate mice
.......
No, that would be too weird.

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2014, 02:26:37 PM »
Guys, his nickname says it all ;)
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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2014, 05:13:22 PM »
Guys, his nickname says it all ;)
Yes, this is a transparent troll. Some of us are playing along.

Others are hoping it will derail into the Great Moments in Touhou Dialogue Thread.

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2014, 05:30:05 PM »
Others are hoping it will derail into the Great Moments in Touhou Dialogue Thread.

Now let's get this youkai party started!

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2014, 07:29:23 AM »
Did somebody say party because I'M ALREADY IN IT.
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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2014, 03:57:17 PM »
The only unfair thing in touhou is when bullets cover your characters sprite

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2014, 04:11:53 PM »
The only real unfair thing in Touhou is

no

playable

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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2014, 04:10:10 PM »
Keine for Phantasmagoria 3, Phantasmagoria 3 for next Touhou game.

What, her ability is to devour the "history" of the bullets?

When pressing focus, any bullets that hit the scope (triangle outline) have their trajectories followed in reverse until its spawn point.
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Re: Unfair / Weird Things in Touhou (Especially Danmakufu)
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2014, 02:22:05 AM »
guys halp i cant stop dying at cinro its 3hard5me

aslo can i hav help @ green faerie (YEAH I SPELT IT FAERIE WHATCHU GONNA DO ABOUT IT :PPPP) middle boss thingy
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