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~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: Mino ☆ on November 08, 2013, 01:06:41 AM

Title: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival [last updated 2015-4-6]
Post by: Mino ☆ on November 08, 2013, 01:06:41 AM
<Karisa> Disclaimer: This thread hasn't been updated in a while. The author asked for a sticky multiple times, which was turned down, and decided to no longer manage it. If anyone happens to be reading this who's willing to keep it updated, feel free to re-create the thread.

Touhou Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Clears!

Old Thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14142.0.html)

For obvious reasons, the older thread will no longer be updated. So after getting approval, I've started a new thread so that I could actively update the Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Clears thread.

Rules: So here's the basic rules. The primary conditions in Lunatic NMNB runs are No misses, no bombs, and another unique factor for some games. (For example, no border breaks in PCB). Runs will be listed in order by their score. Some runs may also have a special note beside them if there is a unique reason for their inclusion on the list.


Windows Games:

Embodiment of Scarlet Devil:
SOC - ReimuB - 303,674,810 - Replay (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/x41sles372bzbvr/th6_udsocn.rpy)
水月 - ReimuB - 298,883,760 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=31534)
Clio - ReimuB - 264,675,760 - Replay (http://www47.atpages.jp/thclio/replay/th6_ud0005.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bLhEOwJ4-g)
Cactu - ReimuB - 254,045,890 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=31291) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ig9Up0PnM)

Perfect Cherry Blossom: (Extra condition: No borders broken)
SOC - ReimuB - 1,737,202,690 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/somen/download/93/th7_udhnbt.rpy)
HS参謀 - ReimuB - 1,611,841,260 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th07/replay7/th7_ud1af9.rpy)
Kayar - SakuyaB - 1,540,739,540 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th07/replay7/th7_ud21bb.rpy)
EOH - ReimuB - 1,536,932,310 - Replay (http://dl1.getuploader.com/g/54ed3c49-c554-464f-b643-5b9cb63022d0/M_EOH/127/th7_udEOH+RBL+NBNRNM1452.rpy)
pndsng - ReimuA - 1,475,211,220 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th07/replay7/th7_ud1f5b.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7dDf3st6bQ)
EOH - ReimuA - 1,439,336,760 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/M_EOH/download/102/th7_udEOH+RAL+NBNRNM1397.rpy)
KYO - SakuyaB - 1,412,962,030 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th07/replay7/th7_ud1eca.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW5cr8_WCaE)
Rori - SakuyaB - 1,378,980,600 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/rori_th/download/14/th7_01.rpy)
Rori - ReimuB - 1,344,517,540 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/rori_th/download/2/th7_15.rpy)
Rori - MarisaB - 1,303,184,760 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/rori_th/download/3/%E6%81%8B%E7%AC%A6NNN.rpy) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMARIgNzzE)
Rori - ReimuA - 1,285,196,870 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/rori_th/download/1/th7_01.rpy)
Nishibi - MarisaA - 1,276,403,510 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=33580) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcMdpWiDUw)
Mino - ReimuA - 1,240,014,290 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=36327) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2vmjX8u6SI)
Rori - MarisaA - 1,208,475,220 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/rori_th/download/4/th7_08.rpy)
hayamin - ReimuB - 1,198,075,140 - Replay (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/3bur7du3b3j9qsk/th7_udhymn.rpy) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZttB9lAT_jw)
水月 - SakuyaA - 1,194,134,680 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th07/replay7/th7_ud1fc9.rpy) - video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGhsIWsvqmE)
FreeGothitelle - SakuyaA - 1,162,830,350 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=34212)

Imperishable Night: (Extra condition: All Last Spells captured or timed out)
Clio - Ghost Team - Final B - 5,445,795,380 - Replay (http://www47.atpages.jp/thclio/replay/th8_ud0009.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HIuOeF6N1I)
水月 - Border Team - Final B - 4,280,131,220 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=25c1) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodGplEEvZ8)
Clio - Ghost Team - Final A - 4,194,921,460 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=21ed)
***YZ*** - Border Team - Final B - 4,022,998,120 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=2385)
水月 - Border Team - Final A - 3,831,197,110 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=233c)
Kayar - Border Team - Final B - 3,731,995,100 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=2843)
Mr Jovial - Border Team - Final B - 3,704,171,660 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=34915) - Video (http://youtu.be/tLXvt-a6hXE)
EOH - Border Team - Final A - 3,462,586,190 - Replay (http://dl6.getuploader.com/g/53496439-6c18-448a-a111-630db63022d0/M_EOH/84/th8_udEOH+RmYkL6A+NBNM.rpy)
K・G - Ghost Team - Final B - 3,250,303,330 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=282b)
Zen - Border Team - Final B - 3,048,742,840 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/The_Muses_Clio/download/267/%E7%AC%AC4%E5%9B%9E%E3%81%AA%E3%82%93%E3%81%8B%E3%82%84%E3%82%8D%E5%A4%A7%E4%BC%9A%E7%B5%90%E6%9E%9C%40%E3%81%9C%E3%82%93.zip)

Mountain of Faith:
ASK - MarisaC - 2,114,373,490 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud161b.rpy)
水月 - MarisaC - 2,062,404,990 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud14f5.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S53lNMV2m0)
MB - ReimuB - 1,762,504,510 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud16e1.rpy)
水月 - ReimuC - 1,755,915,920 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud14f6.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LtB0_513ow)
SOC - ReimuB - 1,658,960,110 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud1644.rpy)
KYO - ReimuB - 1,658,738,770 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud161a.rpy)
dxk - ReimuB - 1,646,151,630 - Replay (https://web.archive.org/web/20140611120852/http://replays.gensokyou.org/replays/th10/th10_udDa20.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCVBgNaAaSs)
PWG - ReimuB - 1,630,796,690 - Replay (http://www41.atpages.jp/~nitmin/threp/replay/th10_ud0028.rpy)
EOH - ReimuB - 1,582,988,730 - Replay (http://dl6.getuploader.com/g/5349658a-3d14-46b0-9c91-6893b63022d0/M_EOH/78/th10_EOH+RBL+NBNM.rpy)
Y.S - ReimuA - 1,575,430,460 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud17b0.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT3fI7i1DDw)
coa - ReimuB - 1,557,191,130 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud15cc.rpy)
rori - ReimuB - 1,363,219,280 - Replay (http://ux.getuploader.com/rori_th/download/7/th10_08.rpy)
Suiren - ReimuB - 1,355,454,330 - Replay (http://t.co/AkAFbCVrfk)
sui_clo - ReimuB - 1,313,127,150 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud1370.rpy)
れいか - MarisaB - 585,529,560 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud1643.rpy) (Used 3-power glitch) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6yjMRVuUM)

Subterranean Animism:
えなめる - MarisaB - 2,333,446,970 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud122e.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UURcMoWogPg)
MB - ReimuA - 1,474,812,210 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud1115.rpy)
EOH - ReimuA - 1,399,420,060 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/archives/th11/th11_ud1297.rpy)
水月 - ReimuA - 1,349,848,540 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud1015.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_IZS_c1J8)
くらげ - MarisaA - 1,347,181,810 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud127b.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OcN2S-vYxg)
Nindel - ReimuA - 1,334,688,950 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=30034) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFsztaUqUk8)
Everlasting - ReimuA - 1,309,533,050 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=36650)
***YZ*** - ReimuA - 1,268,899,400 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud131a.rpy)
coa - ReimuA - 1,228,557,590 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud1235.rpy)
ごぼう - ReimuA - 1,185,122,120 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud103d.rpy)
SOC - ReimuA - 1,183,116,170 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud1158.rpy)

Undefined Fantastic Object:
アイスプライス - ReimuA - 2,316,317,130 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud0fc4.rpy) (Summoned UFOs)
K・G - SanaeB - 563,911,970 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud10f3.rpy) (Summoned UFOs)
MB - ReimuA - 418,589,160 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud1060.rpy)
shin - ReimuB - 396,986,370 - Replay (http://www13.atpages.jp/shinth/cgi-bin/th12score/replay12/th12_ud0017.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiWFa21GIGQ)
SOC - ReimuA - 392,420,380 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud10f9.rpy)
水月 - ReimuA - 389,545,640 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud0c6a.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LbPYxcx7FI)
EOH - ReimuA - 368,859,450 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/archives/th12/th12_ud0fe8.rpy)
HNY - ReimuA - 364,540,950 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud10f4.rpy)
coa - ReimuA - 363,476,340 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud0e03.rpy)
くらげ - ReimuA - 360,654,630 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud0ffa.rpy)
gatsguts - ReimuA - 350,515,390 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud1082.rpy)

Great Fairy Wars:
chum - 67,410,060 - Route C1 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud070b.rpy) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pty2-l3akLc)
chum - 66,535,260 - Route C2 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud070f.rpy)
chum - 66,418,010 - Route B2 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud070e.rpy)
chum - 65,953,790 - Route B1 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud070d.rpy)
chum - 65,938,290 - Route A1 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud070c.rpy) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1v3-5e9CX4)
clock_eu26 - 67,138,120 - Route A2 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud04cd.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEgeXtVChAI)
chum - 66,413,790 - Route A2 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=31303) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNMtB_0HfI)
ns - 64,402,120 - Route B1 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud058e.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZxBmbEcWnI)
ns - 63,829,090 - Route A1 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud021e.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eERupzMmlI)
ns - 62,105,840 - Route B2 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th128/replay128/th128_ud0586.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq13ss1HYVs)

Ten Desires: (Extra Condition: No Trance)
SOC - Youmu - 490,024,200 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud07a4.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3OSZyZw9os)
ns - Reimu - 475,445,530 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud030d.rpy)
水月 - Reimu - 459,355,380 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud0170.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJjcsBaaruc)
みぞる - Reimu - 457,910,170 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud0522.rpy)
coa - Reimu - 439,564,790 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud034f.rpy)
EOH - Reimu - 432,041,340 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/archives/th13/replay13/th13_ud0850.rpy)
ASL - Reimu - 427,059,460  - Replay (http://www9.atpages.jp/thaslrpy/replay/th13_ud0072.rpy)
ひなぶ@7bitm - Reimu - 418,148,810 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud0602.rpy)
K・G - Youmu - 374,834,220 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud0987.rpy)
morth - Reimu - 348,898,510 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th13/replay13/th13_ud097a.rpy)

Double Dealing Character:
水月 - ReimuA - 843,987,590 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud03c4.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NhZ5ZGCMXo)
EOH - ReimuA - 812,035,280 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud04cb.rpy)
SOC - ReimuA - 783,358,850 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud0638.rpy)
Mino - ReimuA - 783,146,070 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud0623.rpy) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCowUngAmc)
水月- SakuyaA - 746,772,750 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud0605.rpy)
にしゅびー - SakuyaA - 746,533,160 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud0367.rpy) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8jNrFwBfzY)
K・G - ReimuA - 724,106,500 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud059d.rpy)

Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom:
ごぼう - Reimu - 631,308,080 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th15/replay15/th15_ud010c.rpy) - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUknSGEaldg)


PC-98 Games:

Phantasmagoria of Dimension Dream:
Zil - Yumemi - 49,100,940 - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xHlfOyb0Sc) (took hits, but never died/bombed)

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Notable Close Calls
These are runs which are very close to perfect but have a mistake or two in them. They are listed here as we believe they deserve some recognition for their closeness.

EoSD:
水月 - ReimuA - 346,973,980 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th06/replay6/th6_ud1480.rpy) - Died to Thousand Needles Mountain

PCB:
Mino - ReimuB - 1,512,106,520 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=32771) - Border break on stage 6 spam

IN:
SOC - Scarlet Team - Final B - 4,675,071,290 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=25bf) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMlT91btY2k) - (Failed Last Spells: Reimu, Kaguya's 5th)
EOH - Border Team - Final B - 3,869,540,064 - Replay (http://dl6.getuploader.com/g/534963f1-bc6c-4ab3-9746-62d9b63022d0/M_EOH/77/th8_udEOH+RmYkL6B+NBNM.rpy) - (Failed Last Spells: Kaguya's 1st, 4th, and 5th)
seto - Magic Team - Final B - 3,607,348,380 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th08/dlreplay.cgi?id=212d) - Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAupXgBf3Ss) - (Failed Last Spells: Mystia, Reimu, Reisen, Kaguya's 2nd and 5th)

MoF:
F-D - ReimuA - 1,698,090,710 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud162d.rpy) - Bombed at Moses' Miracle
Zengeku - ReimuB - 1,301,787,460 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=31339) - Died to Kanako's Third Nonspell

SA:
Nindel - ReimuB - 1,425,626,160 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=30835) - Died to Peta Flare
Everlasting - ReimuB - 1,352,671,060 - Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=36697) - Died to Satori's second spell
水月 - ReimuB - 1,262,300,490 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th11/replay11/th11_ud11c2.rpy) - Died to Small Demon's Revival

UFO:
HECATE - SanaeA - 347,916,820 - Replay (http://www20.atpages.jp/thschecate/replay/th12_ud0061.rpy) - Died to Devil's Recitation
EOH - ReimuB - 356,479,270 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud0f72.rpy) - Died to the very last moment of LFS

DDC:
coa - ReimuA - 741,035,25 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud0374.rpy) - Died to Full Moon Howling
ASL - SakuyaA - 723,960,760 - Replay (http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud01c2.rpy) - Died to Shinmyoumaru's first spell
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Zil on November 08, 2013, 04:14:08 AM
Glad to see this thread being continued.

I meant to ask this earlier. Can the score for the PoDD run be included? It was 49,100,940.
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on November 08, 2013, 04:32:11 AM
Oh haha. I didn't even realize it never had a score added to it. Fixed.
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on November 18, 2013, 09:17:12 PM
I finally decided to record the SA Marisa B replay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UURcMoWogPg
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on November 20, 2013, 02:29:36 PM
Added. :3
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on November 29, 2013, 10:09:51 PM
heres a mof one http://score.royalflare.net/th10/replay10/th10_ud1643.rpy
player is れいか, score is 585,529,560, shot MarisaB
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chirpy13 on November 29, 2013, 10:53:52 PM
score is 585,529,560
What.  How do you even?  Or more why would you?  Nevermind not pocing, it sounds like he's going out of his way to avoid point items and possibly timing down (or timing out) spells for low bonuses.
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: ARF on November 29, 2013, 11:04:15 PM
What.  How do you even?  Or more why would you?  Nevermind not pocing, it sounds like he's going out of his way to avoid point items and possibly timing down (or timing out) spells for low bonuses.

Pro glitchstrats with power management
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chirpy13 on November 29, 2013, 11:14:21 PM
Pro glitchstrats with power management
Oh.  THAT MarisaB.  I figured any self-respecting player wouldn't abuse that but oh well.
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on December 02, 2013, 12:36:29 AM
Here's my recording for the new MoF MarisaB run! :toot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6yjMRVuUM
Title: Re: Touhou - Perfect Lunatic Clears Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 02, 2013, 11:11:26 PM
Added.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 03, 2013, 10:09:13 PM
And it looks like Cactu has gotten his EoSD LNMNB! :D

Updated. He's also the third western player to get one. (First was Nindel with SA, second was Zil with PoDD).

Now I REALLY need to get my PCB LNNN!
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Chuckolator on December 03, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Just curious, is it a requirement to cap last spells in IN? Technically you don't die if you get hit.

And congrats to cactu, I didn't see it live but eosd is insane.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Noobzor on December 03, 2013, 10:36:46 PM
Damn, Cactu is a beast!

I think you can still get a NMNB when failing last spells, however it won't be considered perfect.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: ARF on December 03, 2013, 10:39:46 PM
Most intense stream viewing ever! Cactu is literally best in the west!
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Karisa on December 03, 2013, 11:10:10 PM
Just curious, is it a requirement to cap last spells in IN? Technically you don't die if you get hit.
My view is that it's similar to a border break. It's not a death, but it's still a hit.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Nindella on December 03, 2013, 11:13:16 PM
Cactu's stream was awesome, awesome reaction too!  Cactu definitely best american superplayer!!  :D
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on December 03, 2013, 11:25:29 PM
CACTU IS SUPERPLAY SUPER CONGRATS  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Reiko on December 03, 2013, 11:57:58 PM
Congrats cactu, that's amazing !
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Sakurei on December 04, 2013, 01:43:09 AM
isn't it ironic that everyone congratulates cactu when he can't even read what you people write?

congraty again.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Zil on December 04, 2013, 07:45:57 AM
Holy shit. I was hibernating and I missed it. :<
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: BT on December 04, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
isn't it ironic that everyone congratulates cactu when he can't even read what you people write?

congraty again.
It's, like, eh, whatever. He was here before, so it's slightly different than congratulating a guy we've never met, plus people can probably send him the memo.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 05, 2013, 04:06:34 PM
Congratulations on Chum for his GFW LNN.  :toot:
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: ARF on December 05, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
Woahhhh, the community has grown so strong now!
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: BT on December 05, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
 :toot:
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on December 05, 2013, 04:36:03 PM
Congrats chum!  ;)

One day... one day I'll get MoF !
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Chuckolator on December 05, 2013, 07:03:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ZaSmceK.png
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: I have no name on December 05, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
If I 1LC Double Spoiler, does that go here too  :V
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 07, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Added Zengeku's 1MNB MoF run to the close calls.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on December 07, 2013, 08:12:30 PM
Why is Zengeku so fucking good and why am I so fucking bad
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 12, 2013, 09:21:33 PM
Added Zen's FinalB LNN to the list.

I've also decided to add SOC's and seto's LNMNB runs to the list as well. I put a note of what last spells they failed. As I think that they should still be put in the list, instead of the close calls. Since last spells are bonuses anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Karisa on December 12, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
I'm still not sure why a failed last spell would be considered different from a border break (something that I've never seen support for allowing). It still fits the title of this thread (which I noticed you changed to reflect your new definition), but unlike, say, a UFO summon, it still involves getting hit. A border break actually has less effect than a failed last spell, since you still have to play out the rest of the pattern.

I guess the definition should be up to the survival players, as opposed to people like me who prefer to watch scoreruns anyway, but this seems pretty inconsistent to me.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 12, 2013, 11:52:17 PM
Border breaks themselves can be used and abused throughout the game. Counting runs with border breaks would be silly, since they can and have been used often in PCB LNN runs. Border Breaks can effectively destroy the later half of the game. You can break a border on practically every Youmu and Yuyuko attack (and completely annihilate just about every wave of Resurrection Butterfly).

Last spells have a possibility of not being activated (though it's not usually going to happen in an LNN attempt). Plus, I think that the Last Spells are more trouble than they're worth. Your lives and bombs disappear during them, and they're practically just there for a significant score bonus. I feel as if they were just an extension to the main game itself. We've agreed that timing out spells wasn't a penalty necessarily to the LNMNB condition. I just think it's a shame to put runs like SOC's which still LNMNB the main part of the game, in the close calls section. But that's just my opinion. I'm slightly biased, so other peoples' opinions would be nice.

I suppose it doesn't matter too much, since it'll be on the board anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Sakurei on December 13, 2013, 06:24:32 AM
wow, are we actually doing with the nindentodonut definition? the way I see is like this:

you got hit, it's a miss. why wouldn't it count as one? because you don't lose any lives? then a borderbreak shouldn't be counted either. congratz mino, you already have your ~perfect~ run.
Karisa got it pretty good. you get hit during a border and it's a close call, you get hit on an attack you can't lose any lives and it's still NMNB? that doesn't make any sense to me. where you lose the life or not doesn't really matter, you couldn't dodge, it's a miss. miss stands for mistake, you know? it's a mistake not capturing the spellcard you are facing. (by gett hit, anyway)
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on December 13, 2013, 07:32:11 AM
Zil got hit in his run, too.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Karisa on December 13, 2013, 07:46:24 AM
I don't understand why Zil's is on there, either, aside from that it was probably included because a PoDD "perfect" is effectively impossible.

Even then, "perfect" in games where taking damage is possible often seems to be defined as not taking damage anyway (to my impression at least), when it's not something unrelated like 100% items collected, so no-damage with bombs/hypers might be closer than no-bombs with damage taken. That's more debatable, though.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mero on December 13, 2013, 07:56:19 AM
it's a mistake not capturing the spellcard you are facing. (by gett hit, anyway)

Agreed, I haven't watched either replay, so I don't know how they failed Reimu's last spell (I suppose a timeout would be reasonable), but you can only fail Kaguya's last spells by getting hit, so they still got a miss, even if they aren't directly affected by it
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: cactu on December 13, 2013, 08:05:37 AM
I don't think runs that have mistakes such as failing last spells in IN should be included in this thread other than the close calls, for the same reason that border breaks are not allowed. A better question than that in my opinion is whether a run with a timed out spellcard (on purpose or not) should be allowed, since it's not a full capture run.

/Edit: I personally think timeouts should be allowed as well, just marked as such.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Sakurei on December 13, 2013, 08:43:02 AM
While a full capture (that doesn't die sillily on stages) is a NMNB, so can be a run that isn't full capture. I think it was ASL's TD run where he was forced to time out the penultimate spellcard because the RNG didn't let him capture it. It's not really a mistake of ASL. Why would it not count as a NMNB? He didn't die (i.e make a mistake) nor did he bomb.
Sure, you could argue that it's not ~perfect~, but there is no perfect run anyway, so it's like w/e.
A similar thing with the SA NMNB that timed out midboss Orin in stage 5. It doesn't capture all spellcards due to catwalk being skipped, but it, in my opinion, led to a massive improvment of gameplay quality.

So yeah, timeout are fine in my eyes, getting hit isn't.

As for Zil's PoDD run - it's arguable whether it should be called NMNB, but as far as I understand you don't really die by getting hit once (or twice), so it's not really a miss. Of course, that might just be me speaking as a Zil fanboy or something, but that's just my take on it. The system in both PoDD and PoFV is so different anyway, that counting them as NMNBs (regardless of things) seems a bit weird to me.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on December 13, 2013, 08:56:38 AM
I was only playing devil's advocate anyway, there aren't really any standards for PoDD, and Zil never did lose a round, so acknowledging his run seems like the right thing to do. It's debatable, of course, but I don't think It's exactly fair to apply the same criteria to the VS games. If someone was to do a no hits/no bomb run, then I think the run with hits could be removed.

On the other hand, putting those IN runs where the player got hit alongside runs where the player never got hit, was definitely wrong. As far as I know, a hit is regarded as a  "miss" in IN regardless of where it occurs, and these runs where the player missed do not fit the criteria, nor do they belong alongside the runs where the player didn't miss. The previous approach was perfect as NDNB runs with failed last spells are definitely worthy of recognition.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Zil on December 13, 2013, 03:07:55 PM
Here's my opinion.

The term "perfect" should never be used under any circumstances. Just literally describe the runs by what happened in them.

To "miss" is to lose a life. If a shmup gives you some way of getting hit that doesn't take a life away (health in things like Guwange, PoDD/FV, hits that power you down like GFW, Gunbird 2, shields in things like Gradius, PCB, etc.) then that's not a miss.

As for what to include in this thread, theoretically any NMNB run could go in, but excluding things based on the fact that there are more impressive runs makes sense to me as well. I don't care very much, but truthfully I would prefer that any NMNB run be included. It's not like there's such a vast ocean of them that we're terribly inconvenienced by including the less impressive ones. That's just the completionist in me speaking.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 13, 2013, 10:13:57 PM
Firstly. The reason I think Border Breaks should be excluded is because you get them all over the game and they can be abused to cheese multiple attacks.

Secondly. Although you got hit, it's just bonus. It does count for spellcard captures, but I'm not sure why they matter too much anyway. This isn't the "~PERFECT~" thread anymore. Although there are some exceptions like excluding border breaks and trances.

This may be my biased nature speaking, but I find Last spells way too stressful. If I were to get a LNMNB of IN, mine would probably fail a last spell (Reisen's most likely). Which would make me feel bad for it to just be in the close calls section.

I put a mark beside the runs which have failed Last spells to indicate that they did fail a last spell. That's what separates the all cap runs from the last spell failed runs.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 13, 2013, 10:53:15 PM
Well I decided to just move the runs back to the close calls.

It's apparent that the majority of people don't want them to be on the "perfect list".

They'll still be featured on the board anyway.

I'll be going for FinalA anyway, so I'll only have to worry about Reisen and Eirin/Kaguya's last spell anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on December 14, 2013, 06:38:21 PM
Here are videos for the IN Magic Team and Scarlet Team replays.

Magic Team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAupXgBf3Ss

Scarlet Team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMlT91btY2k

As an added note, the MAlice Cannon glitch is used a decent amount of times during the Magic Team run. Notable uses are during midboss and boss fights.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 17, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
Been sick lately, but I got around to updating.

Added your videos, Ranko.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 22, 2013, 07:07:18 PM
And suddenly Denpa gets a LNMNB! Updated!
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on December 23, 2013, 10:14:04 PM
I wonder if Denpa will be recording the replay or if I should, though I'd need to work out a little blurry trouble with OBS. At least it doesn't give me random lag Camtasia does.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: MTSranger on December 23, 2013, 10:43:12 PM
Excuse my super super ignorance, where is Denpa's entry in the first post? found it
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on December 24, 2013, 04:29:31 AM
Denpa did record the run himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCVBgNaAaSs
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on December 24, 2013, 06:01:29 PM
Added くらげ's SA MarisaA LNN to the list.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mero on December 24, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
Added くらげ's SA MarisaA LNN to the list.

Always nice to see ReimuA take a break :V

pretty neat MAlice Cannon strats on Orin too
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Karisa on December 25, 2013, 06:18:15 AM
I'm not sure it's a MAlice effect as much as taking advantage of the way the options switch positions between focused and unfocused. The repeated focusing keeps them in the center, to allow the vertical side options to both hit at once when they normally couldn't.

Still an interesting trick, that I don't think I've seen in SA WRs before.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on December 26, 2013, 07:42:09 PM
Here's my recording of the SA Marisa A run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OcN2S-vYxg
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on January 03, 2014, 05:24:31 AM
Decided to upload my close call to Youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzpJq0Wfis)
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on January 12, 2014, 03:39:41 AM
Found a random ReimuB MoF LNN run by sui_clo from 2011 that was sitting around on Royalflare. Added to the list.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Critz on January 13, 2014, 12:49:45 AM
I suppose there's no dedicated equivalent to Royalflare or any other search method when it comes to finding those perfect survival replays? I love to watch that top-tier dodging, multiple option-dependant approaches and stage 4 gimmicks.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on January 19, 2014, 04:56:06 PM
Added EOH's SA Close call (death at Cat Walk)

EDIT: Also added coa's 1MNB DDC Lunatic (ReimuA, died to Kagerou's second spell).
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on January 21, 2014, 09:14:39 PM
Recorded and uploaded hayamin's PCB ReimuB run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZttB9lAT_jw
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on March 01, 2014, 01:13:50 AM
Added EOH's SA LNN to the list~
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on March 04, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
Added EOH's TD LNNN. He's on fire~
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: cactu on March 04, 2014, 11:05:26 PM
He's gonna get EoSD any day now as well, I think.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: BT on March 04, 2014, 11:19:35 PM
Trust Remi to be there with the fire extinguisher.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on March 17, 2014, 01:22:07 PM
Added EOH's DDC LNN to the list.

Watched it live last night. Pretty intense!
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: cactu on March 17, 2014, 01:41:35 PM
That's awesome. Did he use a microphone? If so, what was his reaction like?
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on April 12, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
Alright. Bunch of updates.

Added EOH's MoF LNN, IN LNN (FinalA with all caps).

The close calls section also has some new additions. I added EOH's FinalB LNN (failed three of Kaguya's last spells) and SOC's MarisaB PCB LNN (with border break on spam).
SOC never released the run, but he did sent it to me personally in the past. I thought the run was very impressive, so I thought I'd share.

Also. Wow, that MoF section is getting crowded.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on April 12, 2014, 06:11:05 PM
Sharing it might be a bad idea. He might have sent the replay to you personally, but the fact that he didn't upload it himself means that he would prefer it not publicized.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Szayelaporro Granz on April 12, 2014, 11:19:50 PM
No love for PoFV, huh? :( Nevermind, I doubt it's possible in the first place.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on April 12, 2014, 11:27:40 PM
Bombs are detrimental in PoFV. I'm sure There are a whole truckload of NMNB runs out there with Aya or Medicine, but nobody labels them as such since it makes no sense.

No Miss/No Spell would make a little bit more sense, but there are runs like that too and nobody cares about those either.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Szayelaporro Granz on April 12, 2014, 11:34:53 PM
Bombs are detrimental in PoFV. I'm sure There are a whole truckload of NMNB runs out there with Aya or Medicine, but nobody labels them as such since it makes no sense.

No Miss/No Spell would make a little bit more sense, but there are runs like that too and nobody cares about those either.
If PoFV NMNB runs are rather common, I think it makes sense. Btw, do the Japanese care about PC-98 games?
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Karisa on April 13, 2014, 01:13:37 AM
I think no damage no bomb would make the most sense for PoFV, seeing a death in most Touhou games is getting hit (which just causes damage in PoFV); meanwhile, PoFV spells have more in common with GFW ice. But I'm not sure if there would be much point to keeping track of those either. There doesn't seem to be any obvious definition, anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on April 28, 2014, 03:19:24 PM
Added EOH's 1MNBNR PCB to the close calls (I'm not lonely anymore! :o )

He died to Lunasa's first nonspell. Mostly just because, ReimuA.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on June 09, 2014, 05:04:48 PM
Added EOH's PCB LNNN, all four of Rori's PCB LNNNs (which were public), and I added Rori's and Suiren's MoF LNNs.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on June 09, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
I'd recommend re-uploading those replays files in Dropxbox or something less dubious than ux.getuploader.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on June 09, 2014, 08:22:02 PM
I'd recommend re-uploading those replays files in Dropxbox or something less dubious than ux.getuploader.

I don't really see the point. It shouldn't be too hard to download the replays off of ux.getuploader, considering it should be obvious what button to click in order to start your download.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on June 09, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
It used to not open for me in any browser, my previous ISP blocked it for whatever reason, so I thought it could happen somewhere else. Plus, the player can delete the replays for any reason, like some players do in Royalflare or even Axfc. Haven't seen it happening in ux.getuploader, but I wouldn't really trust them (and I don't think there's actually a policy against re-uploading somewhere since that's the main reason Touhouwiki reuploads replays on their own site).
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on June 09, 2014, 10:45:37 PM
It's their replay. They can delete them as they wish.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on June 10, 2014, 02:13:09 PM
Actually ignore that, since most of them are in Royalflare they could delete them anyway, and it'd be annoying to re-upload every single one. Let's hope they don't delete them though. I'd still prefer if they were reuploaded to ensure safetiness, but it's up to you Mino. (Royalflare has a History thing that keeps them, but sometimes it fucks up and links to wrong things if the replay is deleted) I just went paranoid for some reason that they'd delete at ux.getupload, idk.
i blame kopiapoa
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on June 10, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
It's their replay. They can delete them as they wish.

I don't understand this argument. They've uploaded their replay, that means that we can download it and keep it. That also means we're free to do as we wish with the replay, including sharing the replay or uploading the replay somewhere in order to preserve it.

You guys already have a thread keeping track of these runs. Why not make sure the runs are preserved and not deleted?
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on June 10, 2014, 04:00:42 PM
Oh chum.

How would you feel if someone took your replay and uploaded it to a public uploader without you knowing?
Direct linking should be fine. If you really want to, download every replay and save them offline might be a better idea.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on June 10, 2014, 04:47:38 PM
I just noticed it actually happened to Miduki's EoSD which was already re-uploaded to Gensokyo; and EOH's ReimuB close call, but it's still accessible in Royalflare's archive (http://score.royalflare.net/archives/th12/th12_ud0f72.rpy). But that archive can't always be trusted since sometimes new replays get the same name as old ones, and IN doesn't have an archive page.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on June 10, 2014, 05:20:17 PM
Oh chum.

How would you feel if someone took your replay and uploaded it to a public uploader without you knowing?
Direct linking should be fine. If you really want to, download every replay and save them offline might be a better idea.

It's just a replay, so I wouldn't feel anything in particular. Even if I tried to see it from the point of view of someone who would mind... I can't accept that viewpoint. The wiki documented all kinds of high scoring runs. It wouldn't be very different for someone to document as many LNN runs as possible. It's a cause that I don't have any moral objections towards. If someone doesn't want to have their replay documented, they could've simply not shared it in the first place. If you think it's morally wrong to upload someone else's replay, that they shared publicly, then please explain why cause I don't get it.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on June 10, 2014, 05:33:20 PM
I always thought it was bad behavior to upload any replays that isn't your own.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Szayelaporro Granz on June 10, 2014, 06:06:54 PM
I always thought it was bad behavior to upload any replays that isn't your own.
Because this's internet. People see, download and share your replay(s), showing your stuffs to public is the reason why one would upload theirs in the first place.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on June 10, 2014, 06:17:00 PM
That is for people to download, not upload.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: I have no name on June 10, 2014, 09:56:48 PM
I always thought it was bad behavior to upload any replays that isn't your own.
I only thought it was bad behavior to claim credit for replays that aren't your own.

For archiving purposes I don't really see a problem with it honestly, unless the replay was sent specifically in private in which case it's not exactly very respectful to turn around and show everyone.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chirpy13 on June 10, 2014, 10:10:55 PM
If PoFV NMNB runs are rather common, I think it makes sense. Btw, do the Japanese care about PC-98 games?
Nope.  From what I understand it's mostly due to the fact that no one owns them (there's only a few hundred copies made) and the strong anti-piracy views in Japan.  There were a few good players out there, but I'm not sure if any of them are active anymore.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Star King on June 11, 2014, 01:25:53 AM
Looks like PCB is the first game to be LNN'd by all its shottypes...
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on June 11, 2014, 02:25:15 AM
Looks like PCB is the first game to be LNN'd by all its shottypes...

MoF will be next once someone gets MarisaA.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on June 11, 2014, 02:55:56 AM
MoF will be next once someone gets MarisaA.

10/10 I laughed
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Lepetit89 on June 11, 2014, 06:07:40 AM
Oh chum.

How would you feel if someone took your replay and uploaded it to a public uploader without you knowing?
Direct linking should be fine. If you really want to, download every replay and save them offline might be a better idea.

I agree with this sentiment. While deleting the download at this point might be deemed pointless, I'd assume that the original uploader have their reasons for taking down the replay. Regardless of how pointless those reasons might be to others, they are something that should be respected.
Reasoning that it's on the internet anyway and thus may be circulated as third parties deem fit is the exact mindset that can make the internet a terrible place to begin with.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on June 11, 2014, 07:35:29 AM
My Touhouwiki example is being conveniently ignored, it seems.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Replays

Tons of these replays were deleted by their original uploaders, but guess what, they are still documented on the wiki. Why? Because this is what a wikipedia is supposed to do, document things. You can't copyright a replay. If you uploaded it at some point, people will have downloaded it. If you delete it, no matter what your reasons are, in no way will this affect what other people do with your replay. People could upload your replays elsewhere without even knowing you don't want them to. Is it still immoral?

If you are so adamant that replays shouldn't be uploaded by others under any circumstances (that seems to be what the issue boils down to in the end) then perhaps you should go ask all the wiki pages to take down all the replays they are hosting. Good luck.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Lepetit89 on June 11, 2014, 08:02:29 AM
My Touhouwiki example is being conveniently ignored, it seems.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Replays

Tons of these replays were deleted by their original uploaders, but guess what, they are still documented on the wiki. Why? Because this is what a wikipedia is supposed to do, document things. You can't copyright a replay. If you uploaded it at some point, people will have downloaded it. If you delete it, no matter what your reasons are, in no way will this affect what other people do with your replay. People could upload your replays elsewhere without even knowing you don't want them to. Is it still immoral?

If you are so adamant that replays shouldn't be uploaded by others under any circumstances (that seems to be what the issue boils down to in the end) then perhaps you should go ask all the wiki pages to take down all the replays they are hosting. Good luck.

Sorry, I forgot about that example; was in a bit of a hurry.

Anyway, seeing how this is not the only instance in which the Touhouwiki conveniently disregards basic morals and common sense in favour of attracting viewers in its quest for documentation, I find it hard to believe that a Wiki, especially the Touhouwiki, can be considered even remotely fit to provide us with moral guidelines.

The fact that the Wiki does it does not necessarily make it right. Of course, this depends on personal opinion as well, but the way I see it, if you want to upload someone else's work, whether it's a picture, music, a translation based on their work or a replay, you ought to ask them first - it is you who wants something from them, not the other way round. If you cannot get in touch with them, then it's off-limits, to me at least. That's what I deem respectful. If someone does not want his replay or anything else to be circulated, then I can only respect that.

Personally, I find it somewhat frightening to completely disregard any control over anything I might upload to the internet. I'd wager that this might have discouraging effects as well, so I prefer treating others the way I would want to be treated, and I would expect people to allow me to change my mind regarding the publication of a replay.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on June 11, 2014, 10:01:49 AM
Asking a non-English speaker if it's alright to upload their replay is just awkwardly wasting their time. I think there's such a thing as trying to be too respectful and I think that applies to this situation. Holding back on uploading these NMNB runs for the reasons provided is, in my book, simply ridiculous. There's a difference between video game replays, something that's meant to be watched, noticed and learned from and which is not of any significance to anyone who doesn't own the game the replay playbacks on, and someone's musical piece or the like.

You're on a slippery slope right now. How about that avatar that you're using. That's a picture someone made, did you ask them for their permission to use that? (Maybe it's your own picture, but you get the idea) You'll probably think that I'm using a ridiculous and extreme example right now, but if you believe strongly enough in your own logic, you will eventually reach the conclusion that no, it is disrespectful to use their picture without asking them first. There are instances where you can and should apply this logic and I think applying it to a replay that has already been publicly shared is going too far. If It's about a replay that was privately shared then I could understand if someone wouldn't want it spread around, though.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Szayelaporro Granz on June 11, 2014, 10:30:03 AM
Pretty much what chum said. I don't understand why some people are so protective with their own things they shared on internet, especially when they are meant to be shared to everyone. Unless of course, you openly said not to distribute it without credits or someone claims your stuff as his/hers. I think everyone is smart enough to know whatever may happen when they bring something into public.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Lepetit89 on June 11, 2014, 10:57:15 AM
Pretty much what chum said. I don't understand why some people are so protective with their own things they shared on internet, especially when they are meant to be shared to everyone. Unless of course, you openly said not to distribute it without credits or someone claims your stuff as his/hers. I think everyone is smart enough to know whatever may happen when they bring something into public.

Of course, people are smart enough to know that whatever they uploaded won't magically vanish if they take the original source down. However, that doesn't mean that it's okay to keep circulating it. It may be the norm, but that doesn't necessarily make it okay; I'm sure there are plenty formerly teenaged females who can confirm that (though that would be a more extreme case, of course).

Asking a non-English speaker if it's alright to upload their replay is just awkwardly wasting their time. I think there's such a thing as trying to be too respectful and I think that applies to this situation. Holding back on uploading these NMNB runs for the reasons provided is, in my book, simply ridiculous. There's a difference between video game replays, something that's meant to be watched, noticed and learned from and which is not of any significance to anyone who doesn't own the game the replay playbacks on, and someone's musical piece or the like.

You're on a slippery slope right now. How about that avatar that you're using. That's a picture someone made, did you ask them for their permission to use that? (Maybe it's your own picture, but you get the idea) You'll probably think that I'm using a ridiculous and extreme example right now, but if you believe strongly enough in your own logic, you will eventually reach the conclusion that no, it is disrespectful to use their picture without asking them first. There are instances where you can and should apply this logic and I think applying it to a replay that has already been publicly shared is going too far. If It's about a replay that was privately shared then I could understand if someone wouldn't want it spread around, though.

That's a picture of my dead cat, you hippie-communist.

Just kidding, though it really is my dead cat; died a little more than four years ago.

Regarding that conclusion you mention - that is the exact conclusion I arrived at a few years ago, which is why I refrain from using pictures without authorization, linking to their source instead of directly linking them etc. etc. .

I don't believe there is such a thing as being too respectful; some things may have become common on the internet, but, as I said before, I don't believe that makes them right.
I do agree that replays are different from other copyrighted material. However, it is not mine to question why someone would no longer want their replay to be circulated. It could be because they don't want to spread a strategy, because they're ashamed of a mistake - any reason, really. Someone went through the work of creating the replay and they don't want it shared anymore - I oblige.

Granted, I understand that my stance regarding this whole matter might be considered extreme because there is a certain convenience to disregarding other people's feelings, no matter how minuscule the issue may seem. It is for that exact reason that certain behaviour is being deemed okay on the internet (that and, regarding more serious issues, some people being inconsiderate scoundrels, of course) when it's not, but people should be aware of the environment they create. I don't feel that this convenience is worth the price that the people who do upload their works have to pay.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on June 11, 2014, 12:04:32 PM
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TouhouWiki stuff

Actually that Replays page uses Royalflare links that are totally deletable (at least IN is, because the others have the History page). TouhouWiki does have the morals of not re-uploading to Royalflare, and that's enough (you shouldn't upload a replay there that isn't yours in first place, Gensokyo doesn't really matters since people both don't care, and the staff there is nearly non-existent. Wikis are meant to document thing is in an organized way, and archive what is necessary (see High Scores (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/High_Scores) page). And what about Archive.org, is it immoral? Many of GIL's replays were kept thanks to it.

Btw to save Mino's work I just added the whole OP to archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20140611120549/http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15845.0.html) so it would archive all stuff directly linked (Royalflare), and archived the few Gensokyo.org replays too, manually by opening them (I forgot I could do that when I started this). The ux.getuploader replays are still "unsafe" though, so I archived them here (http://1drv.ms/1l0JzjK). The Replays wiki page was already autoarchived, but it looks broken as fuck in Archive.org, but I couldn't do anything about it since it was already archived. But the replays are safe at least.
lol at the archiveception on GIL's replays
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: chum on June 11, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
I would think that most people would want stuff they uploaded to be spread around in cases like this. Not in the case of personal or commercial material, of course, but a video game replay?

Anyway, at least you realize that your issue here is entirely moral and a little bit on the extreme side. I would totally have been with you if it had been about something else, like someone's personal photo album...
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Lepetit89 on June 11, 2014, 01:31:03 PM
Actually that Replays page uses Royalflare links that are totally deletable (at least IN is, because the others have the History page). TouhouWiki does have the morals of not re-uploading to Royalflare, and that's enough (you shouldn't upload a replay there that isn't yours in first place, Gensokyo doesn't really matters since people both don't care, and the staff there is nearly non-existent. Wikis are meant to document thing is in an organized way, and archive what is necessary (see High Scores (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/High_Scores) page). And what about Archive.org, is it immoral? Many of GIL's replays were kept thanks to it.
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Archive.org is an interesting example, actually, as distinguishing between things that were intentionally and inadvertently deleted (or lost) is necessary in order to assess whether preservation would be immoral or not. However, if it can be used to retrieve sites that were intentionally deleted, then it is, as far as I am concerned, a useful tool that can be misused, though I'm not exactly familiar with the principles of the website.

Nonetheless, I don't quite understand how the way Touhou Wiki handles reuploads improves the situation since they still openly provide the replays. Since they make note of reuploads being prohibited, I assume that there are deleted ones among them, which is exactly why it's an issue. Why they would opt for anything but simply linking to wherever the player uploaded his replay and noting the score is beyond me.

I would think that most people would want stuff they uploaded to be spread around in cases like this. Not in the case of personal or commercial material, of course, but a video game replay?

Anyway, at least you realize that your issue here is entirely moral and a little bit on the extreme side. I would totally have been with you if it had been about something else, like someone's personal photo album...

I'd wager they would stop being interested in their stuff being spread around once they delete the original source. As above, if people simply linked to the original source, it would be no issue, but anything else is questionable, regardless of what kind of file we're talking about it.

Edit: Nonetheless, if I recall correctly, we already established that we simply have widely differing ideas of moral and immoral in this context, so let's just leave it at that, as I doubt that either side is going to be convinced.
I understand your desire to archive these things, I just happen to have different priorities that I would not wish to sacrifice at the expense of others.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on July 01, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
gatsguts got UFO LNNN.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on August 07, 2014, 10:32:50 PM
Hayamin's PCB Reimu B run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZttB9lAT_jw

Nishibi's PCB Marisa A run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcMdpWiDUw

Rori's PCB Marisa B run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMARIgNzzE

I would've recorded the Marisa runs sooner, but I had to wait a little while before I could get a new computer.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on August 12, 2014, 03:57:24 PM
Updated.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on August 13, 2014, 08:47:50 PM
I don't see any new video links in the first post.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on August 13, 2014, 10:43:59 PM
(?・ω・`)
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on August 13, 2014, 11:37:18 PM
He meant replays.
On another note, I don't see why you would record other people's runs, it just seems weird to me.

For many people it's more convenient than downloading the replay into your game. This topic is for showcase after all.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on August 13, 2014, 11:48:02 PM
He meant replays.
On another note, I don't see why you would record other people's runs, it just seems weird to me.
I wasn't exactly thinking about the single new replay, and it's probably because all that was said was "Updated".

I like recording these replays because want to help with showcasing them, making it easier to view them.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Oh on August 14, 2014, 02:03:18 AM
(?・ω・`)
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ghost on August 14, 2014, 07:28:15 AM
If people really cared they would watch the replay instead.
Have listed replays is fine for showcasing, but videos are a bit too much imo.

People who actually want to study the replays would download them.
But I can see how some people would just want to watch the vid of them instead.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Star King on August 14, 2014, 11:28:21 AM
Yeah, if there's an option between the two, I would usually pick the video. A lot more convenient in my opinion, for several reasons.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on August 14, 2014, 11:51:08 AM
If people really cared they would watch the replay instead.
Have listed replays is fine for showcasing, but videos are a bit too much imo.

How would having a video link be a bother? It's just another link you can choose not to click.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mero on August 14, 2014, 06:08:53 PM
I personally watch the replay because of visual quality (and connection issues), but both ways have their advantages: you can slow down replays, but videos let you go back to a certain portion without starting the run over, for example.

Also, you could want to watch a particular run and not have the game to watch it on replay
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Esper on August 15, 2014, 05:45:07 PM
How would having a video link be a bother? It's just another link you can choose not to click.

I think he's referring to the idea that it's 40 minutes of trouble to record/render a 30-minute run and overall not worth it when people are gonna watch the replay anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on August 15, 2014, 09:29:33 PM
I think he's referring to the idea that it's 40 minutes of trouble to record/render a 30-minute run and overall not worth it when people are gonna watch the replay anyway.

This doesn't really make sense. Mino himself doesn't record, Wriggle didn't record either. It's either the player or someone else (usually Ranko) who record them voluntarily. It doesn't really make sense to be concerned about something they do voluntarily and nobody requests it when they don't.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Inadequate on August 15, 2014, 09:42:58 PM
Think of the guy who spent hundreds of hours of trouble to practice/grind for a 30-minute run. Overall not worth it when people aren't gonna watch the replay anyway.


I don't think there's anything harm in recording the runs, although I myself prefer watching replays. Makes it easier to showcase the games to people who don't play them and such.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on October 11, 2014, 04:40:42 PM
Jovial got it on IN (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17115.msg1134613.html#msg1134613)!
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on February 20, 2015, 09:08:28 PM
It's been a while since anyone posted here, but chum got another GFW LNMNB run and it's on Route C1 this time!

chum - 67,410,060 - Ruote C1 - Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pty2-l3akLc)
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on February 25, 2015, 12:37:20 AM
Added chum's GFW C1 LNN to the list as well as my own PCB LNNN run I got today. :)

EDIT: Okay, started adding some more runs I could find as well. Also, I meant to say this a while ago, actually, but I think this thread should get a sticky.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Marron on February 25, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Edit: Sorry, just realized it was "lunatic" no miss no bomb.*facepalm*

Well, In the past I had perfect stage 4 and 5 from MoF in lunatic, but erased everything on youtube. Now it's just some perfect of extra stages, and a stage 5 in hard...

Congratulations to all of them, it's not an easy task. Ranko, your Route C1 is impressive !
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on February 25, 2015, 08:16:21 PM
That GFW Route C1 run was done by chum. I was just submitting it here. I still have no Lunatic 1ccs myself. ^^;
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on February 25, 2015, 08:42:42 PM
Added Chum's B1 run.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on February 27, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Updated to include my DDC LNN.

EDIT: Added Chum's B2 LNN. Dude is on fire! He has 5/6 routes :3

Edit 2: Added Chum's C2 LNN to the list! HE has 6/6 LNN in GFW :0
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Jirachi on March 02, 2015, 02:33:49 PM
Link to dxk's replay doesn't work (he probably deleted it long ago but it went unnoticed). It's still alive on archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20140611120852/http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=31530), by the way, since I had triggered a backup back in June. Up to you if you want to update the link or not.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on March 04, 2015, 04:14:42 PM
Fixed dxk's replay link.

Also~ cutie Morth got a TD LNNN on stream yesterday! That means that UFO is the only windows game left for a western player to LNN(N). No don't look at me UFO 2 hard...
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on March 22, 2015, 01:09:19 AM
Somen Soc got a DDC LNN :)

Also, I uploaded my PCB LNNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2vmjX8u6SI) and DDC LNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCowUngAmc) on Youtube!
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Mino ☆ on March 22, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
Okay! Few updates:

Added YZ's SA LNN. Also added Everlasting's SA LNN (western player :) )

Added KG's IN LNNFS, and his UFO LNN (he used UFOs to get max resources)

Also updated to add  HNY's UFO LNNN.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Star King on March 23, 2015, 09:49:35 AM
I may go for UFO LNNN one day... but you didn't hear that from me.
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on October 13, 2015, 05:49:06 AM
Has there been any news of new LNMNB replays lately?
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: ふねん1 on October 13, 2015, 06:00:27 AM
There's gobou's recent LNN of LoLK here (http://t.co/Joy6X24aMh).
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Nolegs the Cat on October 13, 2015, 08:26:41 AM
There's gobou's recent LNN of LoLK here (http://t.co/Joy6X24aMh).

Holy shit! Already?
Wow. Some people are just too good...
It's pretty amazing, isn't it?
Title: Re: Touhou - Lunatic No Miss No Bomb Thread II: The Revival
Post by: Ranko Hoshino on October 17, 2015, 04:12:54 AM
Thanks for sharing the replay, Funen. Here's a recording to go with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUknSGEaldg