Yes, folks, we have a Cirno-centric shooter, and The Three Mischievous Fairies have finally made an in-game appearance.
Quote from: ZUN
It's hot.
I made a perfect game for a hot summer like this! Here's what I'll be putting out at the next Comiket.
Touhou Project #12.8 (how far are we going to go with this?) "The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies"
That's it. Cirno declares war on the Three Fairies, oh no. It's the sequel to the original story of the same name.
Actually, I'd been planning on putting out a game ahead of the second volume of "Touhou Sangetsusei ~ Strange and Bright Nature Deity" (the second volume's sketch "Greaty Fairy Wars" is its opening story), but due to the schedule and certain other things it didn't happen, but it's finally finished! (That's a lie, I'm working hard on it right now) I got Hirasawa Makoto-san to do some drawings for me, so it really has the laaaaazy feel of the three fairies comic (oh, and of course we have permission from Kadokawa).
But, the actual game itself is: "A refreshing game where Cirno freezes the bullets she's supposed to dodge" It's the kind of game you can play mindlessly for a short time whenever you want, with a difficulty level you can chew on as you play it over and over, and bold, yet subtle patterns.
{gameplay images}
( * Warning, the game is still in development, so things might change) It's a simple yet bold game you can play without really knowing about the story or characters, and it's got a pretty natural-feeling system, so it's the kind of game that's worth playing, so if you're interested in the games, definitely give it a try. Of course, the version released at Comiket will be the final version! Oh, my Comiket booth will be second day, East hall A-28a.
Oh, and it's not done yet, but.
Thanks to Solamarle for the translation.
<- Theme song for this announcement
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Drake on July 23, 2010, 06:15:09 AM
first
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 23, 2010, 06:17:09 AM
wait, WHAT
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: orinrin on July 23, 2010, 06:17:37 AM
I was 99.99% sure it was going to be called 12.7.
Why does ZUN do this to me... :X
*SupremeBogus hangs his head in shame*
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Verloren on July 23, 2010, 06:18:18 AM
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Post by: Kojiremi on July 23, 2010, 06:18:50 AM
Actually i was first...but it didn't count >_< oh well
Yeah seems we'll have a game that branches off from one of the official books this time. This is pretty cool. I hope we can see Rinnosuke later then in a game. or Akyuu. That'd be great ^_^ Can't wait to see how this turns out haha.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 23, 2010, 06:19:45 AM
Wow, it kinda feels weird seeing non-ZUN art in a ZUN game
Also THREE MISCHEVIOUS FAIRIES FUCK YEAR
Oh man freezing bullets? ZUN's crazy gameplay ideas always make me jealous :3
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Verloren on July 23, 2010, 06:20:58 AM
She sold her soul to ZUN for nine cents because they were shiny.
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Post by: orinrin on July 23, 2010, 06:50:45 AM
I'm not sure if this is the first game to have non-ZUN art. Someone needs to clarify who drew the endings in PoFV. Some people say it's ZUN, some say it's alphes. They look similar to the ones from the fighting games, but I guess that's just my speculation.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Drake on July 23, 2010, 06:51:38 AM
Actually i was first...but it didn't count >_< oh well
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Today at 01:08:08 am : you
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[00:59] <Drake> freeze [00:59] <Drake> the [00:59] <Drake> bullet [01:00] <Drake> making thread [01:00] <Drake> go away [01:01] <@YamameKurodani> Drake [01:01] <@YamameKurodani> No thread yet
hi
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Anon on July 23, 2010, 06:53:10 AM
First reaction: Hahahahaha!
My second reaction is merely the very small hope that Daiyousei may get an appearance. Other than that, it will be interesting to see the Three Fairies in danmaku format.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Verloren on July 23, 2010, 06:54:54 AM
I'm not sure if this is the first game to have non-ZUN art. Someone needs to clarify who drew the endings in PoFV. Some people say it's ZUN, some say it's alphes. They look similar to the ones from the fighting games, but I guess that's just my speculation.
Either way it's the first time I've seen it, because it's not like I play PoFV.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 23, 2010, 06:56:15 AM
[01:59:03] <YamameKurodani> http://kourindou.exblog.jp/12990219/ welp, [01:59:07] <Keine> Title: 博麗幻想書譜 : 夏コミ情報 (at kourindou.exblog.jp) [01:59:21] <Drake> the fuck [01:59:32] <Totaku> huh? [01:59:32] <Drake> freeze [01:59:33] <Drake> the [01:59:35] <Drake> bullet [01:59:44] <Totaku> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! [01:59:51] <Drake> holy fuck [01:59:53] <Totaku> Another ZUN game already [02:00:14] <Totaku> And now he's working with the artist who does the fairy comic now!? [02:00:16] <Drake> making thread [02:00:18] <Drake> go away [02:00:24] <Totaku> Thiis is going to be awesome! [02:00:56] <Sakana> Is that what it looks like? Hell yeah [02:01:21] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> Have fun. [02:01:22] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/458343.html [02:01:25] <YamameKurodani> Drake [02:01:27] <YamameKurodani> No thread yet
nice try, fucker
(and i stole it from mefidex who linked it three minutes prior)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on July 23, 2010, 06:57:54 AM
He must hate the number 13.
Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Aisha on July 23, 2010, 06:58:02 AM
I've been waiting until Sangetsusei is fully translated, but I suppose that this gives me a reason to forgo that plan and read whatever is currently available. I wonder if ZUN will eventually create games to complement Curiosities of Lotus Asia and Bougetsushou.
I would say IaMP is the first canon game to feature art completely done by someone other than ZUN. Or it could have been IN, but I think ZUN did the pencil work for that. It would be impossible to tell which came first anyway since both games had demos released at the same time.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kojiremi on July 23, 2010, 06:58:20 AM
Well damn. Ah well, congrats on the guy who got the job for the art. Wonder if it'll be in-game art (other, non-title screen portraits) or just that.
Normally I'm too lazy to post, but this is a doubly special occasion. The artist featured on the title screen is Hirasaka Makoto, who's the current artist for the Three Fairies comics. He's also the artist behind the circle CLASH HOUSE, and has done a few really nice comics as such. We'll find out in August, but based on what ZUN's said, it may not be too much to guess that he's done other cut-in art for the game. But maybe not.
Also, I'm terribly sorry the translation is riddled with typos and other minor errors. orz
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Myschi on July 23, 2010, 07:26:23 AM
This is gonna be on the level of 'can't unsee' isn't it...? I'll boot up DS in a moment to scar myself.
Also, totally missed the fact that he got Makoto to do the art. Guessing that means all in-game portraits, etc. (I blame my mind being blown by a Cirno-centric game and that someone from some of the supplementary stuff is getting a game.)
(And to Solamarle: Yeah, just noticed that. And hey, no worries about the typos, at least you read the whole thing! G'job, dude and thanks for the translation!)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: nintendonut888 on July 23, 2010, 07:27:45 AM
Am I the only one going to read the 3 Fairies stories for the first time because of this game?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Myschi on July 23, 2010, 07:29:11 AM
Am I the only one going to read the 3 Fairies stories for the first time because of this game?
Actually you're not alone man. You're not alone. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on July 23, 2010, 07:39:29 AM
I haven't read it either :V
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Post by: N-Forza on July 23, 2010, 07:45:59 AM
I only started reading it this month because I had already read everything else that was released except for the Akyu book. Good timing I guess.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: trancehime on July 23, 2010, 07:49:15 AM
Holy shit, a Windows Touhou game I might genuinely find fun despite it going against most of the things I appreciate in shmups?!
What the christ?!
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Hello Purvis on July 23, 2010, 08:12:34 AM
I think the most revealing thing here today is that there are many people who should know better that have learned to appreciate ZUN's Perfect Harmonious Synchronus Three-sided Mischievous Faerie Cube.
Regardless, I am pleased by this development.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Ghaleon on July 23, 2010, 09:19:27 AM
I wonder how long it'll take before we see "Cirno is a slut" regularly.
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Post by: Kinzo the Astro Curious on July 23, 2010, 09:24:55 AM
was just thinking Cirno's been getting a lot of love in recent times, when you think about it. Shes gonna start competing with the likes of aya and sanae!
Not that I'm complaining, can't wait to get my grubby mits on it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: ぷしゅ on July 23, 2010, 09:37:01 AM
a Cirno centric shooter now this i like guess i'll go read 3 fairies now
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Solais on July 23, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Am I the only one going to read the 3 Fairies stories for the first time because of this game?
Add me to that column... ^^;
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: PC on July 23, 2010, 11:21:14 AM
Hopefully ZUN doesn't tire himself out at this rate- on the other hand, NEW GAME YEAAAAAHHHHH
if the next game is Touhou 13.37 featuring Koakuma or some equally obscure character... :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Bananamatic on July 23, 2010, 11:40:16 AM
considering I didn't like guwange, this ripoff is going to suck even more :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Prody on July 23, 2010, 11:44:19 AM
Where is my touhou 13
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: 日巫子 on July 23, 2010, 11:46:13 AM
Kyaaaah :getdown:
I've read the manga with the 3 fairies, so this makes me really excited. Still kind of weird seeing Makoto Hirasaka's art here, though. I wonder if Daiyousei'll be in this game?
Even if it's not Touhou 13, it's a new game, so I'm satisfied.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tonepoet on July 23, 2010, 12:01:41 PM
It's a rather unusual time for me to be receiving links to anything so I'm thrown a bit off guard by this. To the person who should get this, you know who you are.
Possible thoughts on this:
1 Sumbody's eyedeah ov 1 joeq. Too tired to properly verify at the moment. Even if I could, it might be Zun's idea of a joke. <Tonepoet trusts nobody>
2.Zun fell off his rocker. 2.7 Possibly because he ran out of ideas.
3.If this is real, it's probably a reaction to her incredulous popularity as Gensokyo's village idiot. Might diminish the role, more likely to strengthen it.
4.Or maybe his favorite fairy saved him from a heat stroke and he's expressing gratitude....
5. Probably a very short game. Possibly "The Shortest™."
6. At the end of the day, it'll show that Cirno really is "The Strongest?" 6.7 Unless "BAD END".
7. Print characters and no Zun art? Odd trend for a game.
8. Huh?
9. Circle Nine. 9.7 Decimal Seven.
The End.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Nobu on July 23, 2010, 12:36:06 PM
Further proof ZUN is using Rika's as inspiration for his future ideas. :V First Tenshi spellcards in DS that look suspiciously like some of Johnny Walker's Tenshi cards, and now a game that just happens to have the three mischevious fairies as final bosses?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Iryan on July 23, 2010, 12:59:48 PM
Woah!
Well well, wasn't expecting this at all. Needless to say, I am looking forward to the new gamplay. Is it going to be like a cross between StB and Ikaruga or something?
Also, I am now waiting for Touhou 12.987654321
More Dots! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04)
Further proof ZUN is using Rika's as inspiration for his future ideas.
He also stole his ideas for Radiant Treasure and Flying Fantastica from my Sariel script, obviously. :smug:
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Danielu Yoshikoto on July 23, 2010, 01:28:03 PM
wow... so... no Touhou 13 anymore?
oh well Kinda looks o.k. Will the demo be released or the full version? (sorry if that has already been answered but I just skiped everything to post something.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Vanishing Sock Puppet on July 23, 2010, 01:56:22 PM
The only way I can describe what I'm feeling right now is to post this picture.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Recon 5 on July 23, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: ZUN
how far are we going to go with this?
I'm guessing that the numbering is a joke.
Still, anyone else thinks the backlash would be more severe if THIS was number 13?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Rikter on July 23, 2010, 02:21:33 PM
Next we need 12.9 to avoid 13 even longer.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Edible on July 23, 2010, 02:48:55 PM
Hahahaha. Excellent.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Stuffman on July 23, 2010, 02:51:04 PM
I think the point of this game may be not so much focusing on Cirno, but more to tie the print works into the games. So, the 3MF are really the stars. Nineball just got the main role because she's also a fairy, her ability provides for possible interesting gameplay elements, and she's weak enough that the 3MF could feasibly produce a challenge for her. Reimu or Marisa would stomp them pretty effortlessly :V
I'm wondering what the difficulty level will be, I suspect it'll probably be lower than StB/DS.
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Why did I not think of this
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: theshirn on July 23, 2010, 03:24:41 PM
3MF now exist.
I look forward to this with vast anticipation.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 23, 2010, 03:48:34 PM
This is the last post you're making in this thread. I am not going to put up with your trolling bullshit.
oh come on :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Garlyle on July 23, 2010, 04:46:05 PM
I was inclined to call this a Shoot The Bullet-type format game, then I realised: There's a Results option on the screen, much like the main games. So, is it a typical game afterall? No, there's no visible lives system.
...Erm... so how does it even play...?
......Actually, does anyone feel like translating the text on the screenshots at all so we can begin theorizing scoring/gameplay mechanics/etc? Just at a casual glance, the "Level x" is probably connected to the percentile value displayed above it and might have something to do with a PoFV-style bomb charging or similar. I dunno.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: helvetica on July 23, 2010, 04:48:18 PM
It's a rather unusual time for me to be receiving links to anything so I'm thrown a bit off guard by this. To the person who should get this, you know who you are.
Possible thoughts on this:
1 Sumbody's eyedeah ov 1 joeq. Too tired to properly verify at the moment. Even if I could, it might be Zun's idea of a joke. <Tonepoet trusts nobody>
2.Zun fell off his rocker. 2.7 Possibly because he ran out of ideas.
3.If this is real, it's probably a reaction to her incredulous popularity as Gensokyo's village idiot. Might diminish the role, more likely to strengthen it.
4.Or maybe his favorite fairy saved him from a heat stroke and he's expressing gratitude....
5. Probably a very short game. Possibly "The Shortest?."
6. At the end of the day, it'll show that Cirno really is "The Strongest?" 6.7 Unless "BAD END".
7. Print characters and no Zun art? Odd trend for a game.
8. Huh?
9. Circle Nine. 9.7 Decimal Seven.
The End.
WTF is this post
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Nobu on July 23, 2010, 05:02:11 PM
This just means that C79 has even more to anticipate: TH13 demo or it's 12.X replacement, and Takkoman full version. :]
I'm stoked about this game though, maybe not as much as Double Spoiler but pretty close. I'm curious to see what he means by the interesting gameplay and the 'chewable difficulty', and if we'll see any new characters. Actually, does anyone have an idea of what he could mean about the difficulty? I've never heard that expression before.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: orinrin on July 23, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
Here's hoping that he will make a god-tier remix of Cirno's theme.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Nemo★Ma on July 23, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
Sadly I don't think so, since she need Spellcards and BGM.
But hey, people are making these all over Nicovideo.
(though in my stories instead of Spellcards I give her a Sniper Rifle.)
But yes, I hope it will happen, and I don't think freezing danmaku make the game easier, if we have a Regular Style Daiyousei to use it will be MUCH better.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: hyorinryu on July 23, 2010, 05:17:14 PM
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Azure Lazuline on July 23, 2010, 05:27:10 PM
He doesn't get tired of it because people keep responding to it.
As for the game, it's looking really interesting so far. The fairies are awesome, so I'm glad they get a whole game now, and the mechanics look interesting from what I can tell by the screenshots. It seems like the freeze move is a projectile that goes forward and freezes a small area of bullets, then any other bullets that touch them get frozen too, like a chain. I think the percentage is how many of the bullets you froze at once.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 05:29:37 PM
I'm also pretty psyched about this. I was saying up and down in the Touhou 13 thread that it would be highly unlikely that a new game was coming out this year. Before DS came out, I also said it was highly unlikely we would get an approved StB.
Conclusion? Don't listen to my predictions of what ZUN will do. He is a mysterious zephyr in the shadows, leading you into your own confusion, and then springing you with the unexpected. He probably steeples his fingers and cackles himself to sleep every night.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 23, 2010, 05:32:11 PM
I'm also pretty psyched about this. I was saying up and down in the Touhou 13 thread that it would be highly unlikely that a new game was coming out this year. Before DS came out, I also said it was highly unlikely we would get an approved StB.
Conclusion? Don't listen to my predictions of what ZUN will do. He is a mysterious zephyr in the shadows, leading you into your own confusion, and then springing you with the unexpected. He probably steeples his fingers and cackles himself to sleep every night.
Seriously ZUN must work on Touhou 24/7 or something :3
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Stuffman on July 23, 2010, 05:42:33 PM
Seriously, even though ZUN says he just works on Touhou in his free time, I think he must take it more seriously than that; I recall him saying it takes him about six months to put together each of the main games, but through my own experience I have no idea how he could manage that just by putting in a few hours on the weekend. He must work on it during the week too...
Side games like this are probably more managable though, I think he's taking it easy for now. And he really does seem to have fun with the print works, which is probably why he's making a game of it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Jana on July 23, 2010, 05:46:24 PM
I loved the three fairies manga, so this is a nice surprise~
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: チソウ タイゼン on July 23, 2010, 06:00:19 PM
Hey, wait.
Cirno is going to kick less ass danmaku-wise (Just look at IN!S4 Reimu & Marisa) as a player character. That makes me feel sad.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 06:04:01 PM
Welp, I've got August 14 marked on my calendar.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Muon on July 23, 2010, 06:06:06 PM
Not being a big fan of Cirno, son im disapoint. She is getting too much attention lately. But since its a new game, YAY, new game!
Out of nowhere, but... ZUN should develop more Cirno's character, more canon stuff about her, jossing stuff the fans created.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Shizzo on July 23, 2010, 06:07:39 PM
I wonder what's the relation between the Yamame-looking girl with a tree on her head and this game...
Anyways, it sure is interesting, freezing bullets.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 23, 2010, 06:08:36 PM
Not being a big fan of Cirno, son im disapoint. She is getting too much attention lately. But since its a new game, YAY, new game!
Out of nowhere, but... ZUN should develop more Cirno's character, more canon stuff about her, jossing stuff the fans created.
So you express distaste with a Cirno-centric game in the same breath as claiming Cirno needs more canon material.
Wat.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 06:10:16 PM
I think Muon is lamenting that there is too much fanon about Cirno and not enough canon. Which is also strange, because, why are you paying attention to and giving any power to fanon theories that you disagree with?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Bananamatic on July 23, 2010, 06:10:46 PM
2. This is all you ever do. You are a tiresome, predictable and unfunny troll. Why are you even on this site?
since when is not fanboying over zun trolling don't say it's just me, I've seen a mod calling somebody else a troll just because he didn't like a part of the game
different opinion!=trolling yeah, maybe I overdid it with the arguing once(and I'm not the only one who did that either) and somebody slapped the troll label on me now I don't agree, troll, different opinion, troll trust me, I'm equally tired of that
I like touhou but his shmups are disappointing
also, HME, AA, partially RaNGE
I want to see ZUN releasing a good loli shmup. That's all.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Ghaleon on July 23, 2010, 06:35:05 PM
The game isn't even out yet, we haven't even heard what the gameplay elements are, it's just speculation at this point. you can't legitimately say you hate it, let alone claim it's a rip-off, that's what makes it trolling IMO.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 06:39:01 PM
The game isn't even out yet, we haven't even heard what the gameplay elements are, it's just speculation at this point. you can't legitimately say you hate it, let alone claim it's a rip-off, that's what makes it trolling IMO.
It's the same thing he did in the DS thread.
Bdog, spare me your disingenuous bullshit. "Different opinion" my ass. There are plenty of people on this site who make thoughtful and legitimate criticisms of Touhou. You, though, you spout the same crap, over and over and over again and add a colonvee. Yawn.
Look, when DS came out, you were all over that thread, shitting it up with your asinine blatherings. And you're trying to do it again. Claiming you're just making a genuine criticism is laughable. All you do is shit like this. You're obnoxious, and believe me, plenty of people on this site are sick of you.
Am I coming across harsh? Possibly, but I think you need to hear it. Your act is old. Consider changing the record; it's skipping.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 23, 2010, 06:40:22 PM
Sir Amat: Let it go, he's been warned once in this thread to knock off that sort of behavior, and if he keeps doing it we'll come down on him. No need to fan the flames.
Banana: Yes, it is indeed trolling to go into a Touhou topic and talk about how Touhou sucks, no matter how much you may try to trivialize it. You're perfectly welcome to think Touhou sucks, but if you're going to talk about how other franchises are better than it, do so in topics about those other franchises, not topics about Touhou games.
It saddens me that you need such an explanation since it really should be common sense, but whatever. At least now you have no "I didn't know" excuse.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 06:42:06 PM
Alright, point taken, Kilga. Just trying to impart another perspective on him. I'm dropping it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Muon on July 23, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
Actually I want more official information about Cirno, not the "I'm shooting random fairies cuz I'm a bored dumbass" kind of plot. I wonder if ZUN is just doing that game because of the Cirno fanbase, instead of doing what he likes.
Nah, ZUN couldn't do that. Maybe he just loves Cirno, Aya and Sanae.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Nobu on July 23, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
Well, Cirno was in 6, 7, and 9 before her memeness exploded (since marukyu shenanigans started with 9, right?). I see that as a sign that ZUN has to like Cirno more than the average character. And ZUN doesn't seem like the type of person to cater to the fanbase to this extent either.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 06:59:26 PM
I've always had a soft spot for Cirno. She's childish and child-like. The innocence in her self-belief is charming, and in fiction I've written involving her, I've always tried to be sympathetic to her. I think she deserves more love.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 23, 2010, 07:00:51 PM
Does that include the time she found the table? >_>
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on July 23, 2010, 07:01:09 PM
I see that as a sign that ZUN has to like Cirno more than the average character.
"Beloved Tomboyish Daughter", ne? Might mean more than people thought, after all~ :3
I for one look forward to this game, especially in terms of the system that will be used. All those percentage values on the screen look intriguing~
For those interested: The uppermost of the three values on the right (the one that goes over 200% in some screenshots) seems to read やる気 , which my dictionary says can roughly be 'Spirit'. And the third one is for 'Perfect Freeze'
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 07:02:47 PM
Does that include the time she found the table? >_>
Especially the time she found the table. That was a story of self-discovery, where she even gained the sympathy of Marisa. That it was also about corner-humping is just gravy.
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Post by: Silent Harmony on July 23, 2010, 07:05:10 PM
Really, the only character I think he could overly-like is Yuka with the whole "youkai moe" thing. :3
Honestly I always found the "X character is a slut" meme humorous. I mean some of the main proponents are Sakuya fans who conveniently forget the fact that she starred in 5 straight games! (TH 6, 7, 8, 7.5, 9) I really think it's just him doing what he wants, with the characters he wants. It seems to me, though, that he's putting a lot more thought into things since MoF, since the stories and settings seem to flow much better than 6-8, which would explain the recurring characters.
Cirno as a character I've always liked. Not loved, but she always struck me, as Tengu just said, as child-like and overconfident. Though canonically stupid, it's born more out of hard-headiness and a desire to prove herself than pure retardation. Which is why I like stories like Cirno-chan is the Strongest and Thank You Cirno-chan, which imo display this likable quality of her.
As for the game itself, I have no idea what the engine apparently is based on, just that freezing (and blowing up?) bullets levels her shot. What the shot does I can't tell. Looks interesting though. I suppose I'll keep an eye on it, I really could use a short pick-up game.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 23, 2010, 07:07:44 PM
Does that include the time she found the table? >_>
:smug:
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on July 23, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
dear god has ZUN finally wizened up and employed EXCELLENT artists to do the artwork while he MAXIMIZES his effort in game design?
I sense the awesome in this and I dare say... THis is one helluva game and I will be playing it. I guaranteed it upon my cunning collection of CLEVER MAN WEARHOUSES.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Sen on July 23, 2010, 07:12:18 PM
Blegh, I try not to let fanon get to me (tsundere Alice, for example), but with Cirno's massive fanbase it's a lot harder to ignore all the I'M THE STRONGEST 999 stuff.
Still, the whole danmaku-freezing mechanic does look like it could be fun, if it's implemented well. I'll certainly play it and see if I warm up to it. Afterall, I thought Shoot the Bullet was the worst game ever, but now, it and Double Spoiler are two of my favorite games in the series.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 23, 2010, 07:13:14 PM
Oh man I just noticed Cirno's looking a bit on the plump side :]
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on July 23, 2010, 07:17:46 PM
Oh man I just noticed Cirno's looking a bit on the plump side :]
Too much hanging around with Letty :]
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Drake on July 23, 2010, 07:19:49 PM
Believe it or not, even though ZUN says he makes these games for himself and not to please fans, it doesn't mean that fans don't sway his way of thinking about the games. I personally think at this point, the way ZUN thinks about his games is fairly heavily influenced by the fans.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 07:27:59 PM
Even ZUN's got rent to pay. It's not like the Japanese beer god showers him with yen so he can keep making games.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Drake on July 23, 2010, 07:29:24 PM
Eh, it's possible.
EDIT: that almost makes me wonder how the japanese economy might be affected by zun dying and no more touhou stuff ever happening
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Ghaleon on July 23, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
Tasofro and Clash House would probably pick up the slack as best they could. Worst case scenario, we don't get any more new characters.
Pretty much. And I don't see Touhou doujin works of any kind ending with ZUN. I mean, Rozen Maiden fanworks are still chugging nicely along, for example.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kojiremi on July 23, 2010, 08:12:53 PM
Ya know....I wonder if like DS we get a new touhou character added to the game. As Hatate was for DS maybe we'll get a new fairy to add to our roster of fairies. If Cirno's going to war with the 3 fairies, maybe a new fairy aids Cirno. Or the 3 fairies enlisted the help of a new fairy Cirno must battle. Or a random 3 party fairy declares war on them BOTH hahah I hope we get a new character then ^_^ I mean almost every game we get one. save for StB and Hisoutensoku (new playable characters there but not brand new characters)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Mounting Jaggis on July 23, 2010, 08:17:55 PM
oh right forgot about that dam fish hhah sweet proves my point even further haha only StB didn't have new characters so i hope this fairy war will have a new character or so. need more elemental fairies if you ask me. heh.
But we'll see. it might not have any new chars but i'd hope if it does.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Grand Octopus on July 23, 2010, 08:28:26 PM
Ya know....I wonder if like DS we get a new touhou character added to the game. As Hatate was for DS maybe we'll get a new fairy to add to our roster of fairies. If Cirno's going to war with the 3 fairies, maybe a new fairy aids Cirno. Or the 3 fairies enlisted the help of a new fairy Cirno must battle. Or a random 3 party fairy declares war on them BOTH hahah
Oh hell's bells, I completely forgot there might be a new character. Nothing good could possibly come from Cirno getting a Hatate-esque rival.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Iryan on July 23, 2010, 08:31:34 PM
Oh hell's bells, I completely forgot there might be a new character. Nothing good could possibly come from Cirno getting a Hatate-esque rival.
Cirno vs Mai.
Cirno as the sympathetic, naive child, Mai as the smug bitch that feels as if she was above everybody and everything else.
Victory would be sweet, I tell you. :3
And beating Mai unlocks the Ex stage were you have to battle Yuki, who has gimmicks that make her bullets more difficult to freeze somehow.
[/inane speculation]
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 23, 2010, 08:35:33 PM
It's Mima
I CAN FEEL IT IN MY BONES
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Naut on July 23, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
coolbeans
Looks like it'll have "stages" too, not just boss fights or spell cards like StB/DS. Neato.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: 7TC7 on July 23, 2010, 08:52:47 PM
So, after Hisoutensoku trolled Cirno, we are gonna meet the real Daidarabochi now, right? right?
...
Well, for real now. I for one am happy about this. I always liked the three fariys and wondered when they'd show some danmaku. Cirnos freeze gimmik looks intresting and all in all, we'll hopefully get new musik with the game, wich is always a plus.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Doomsday on July 23, 2010, 09:02:12 PM
Well, this was unexpected. both that a Touhou game is coming out at C78, and that its a Cirno/Three Fairies's-centric shooter of all things.
I'm not gonna make any judgements until I get my hands on it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on July 23, 2010, 09:19:40 PM
Well, i can't say that i didn't expect this :P. When i saw that what i expected to be named Touhou 12.5 is named 12.3, i immediately thought "Oh, that means the next game will be Touhou 12.6!" and then i realised that it could also be Touhou 12.7, if ZUN rounded 12.666 correctly. So when i saw that it is named Touhou 12.5, i thought "Well, either ZUN fails at dividing by three, naming games, both, or the next game will be Touhou 12.7 or 12.8". Since Touhou 12.25 was rounded to Touhou 12.3, i expected Touhou 12.75 to be rounded to 12.8. And i was right! :)
Also, i hope Daiyousei will be playable like Hatate in <spoiler><spoiler>12.5</spoiler></spoiler> and get an official name that actually is a name and not her description. Also her theme music. (HATATE BETTER GET HER THEME MUSIC ASAP)
By the way, who else thinks that the next Touhou will be named Touhou 14? :]
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Ghaleon on July 23, 2010, 10:13:10 PM
By the way, who else thinks that the next Touhou will be named Touhou 14? :]
Are the Japanese superstitious with numbers? I know many asian cultures are but I have no clue if the Japanese are included.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Iryan on July 23, 2010, 10:15:11 PM
if anything, he would've skipped Touhou 4.
...Or touhou 108. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: GenericTouhouFailure on July 23, 2010, 11:00:02 PM
When i saw the thread title I was like O look some kind of stupid ass joke. And then I click Then I went ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS WTF!?!?!? Mind. Blown. if this game comes out on 09/09/10 OH Ha ha, old chap! EDIT: NOT GOING TO HAPPEN I should reed wiki moar
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on July 23, 2010, 11:02:47 PM
He could skip it to troll everyone. I would do that to my fanbase if they were discussing my "next" game for three games.
TH12.3: I can't wait for TH13! TH12.5: WTF? Why no 13? I don't want to wait anymore >:( TH12.8: HF KALFH LIAUHAFKJ H MIMA BETTER BE BACK IN 13 WE DESERVE IT FOR WAITING SO LONG TH14: W00T, he finally announced the next game on his blog, i can't wait for... ??? *Since there are 2 games per number on average (X->X+1 or X->X.5->X+1), and there were 4 numbers after 11, that means we are at Touhou 14! TOUHOU 14 COMING SOON* :colonveeplusalpha:
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Post by: Unassuming Squid on July 23, 2010, 11:08:15 PM
...I...did not expect this.
But I am ecstatic nonetheless. It'll be interesting to see a game with Cirno as the main character.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Solais on July 23, 2010, 11:26:55 PM
AchiCirno as Cirno's rival... eh unlikely.
I still believe that ZUN makes games on a whim. It's hot in this summer, so he made a "cool" game. And Cirno is "cool" too, so it worked.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 23, 2010, 11:29:31 PM
Might as well throw this here too (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5728.0)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Sapz on July 24, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
This looks very interesting from the screenshots, it's nice to see another Touhou game with different mechanics like StB/DS did. :3 It'd be nice to know more about how it actually plays out, but more stuff to look forward to I guess.
...Man, this and Akai Katana vids on the same day.
Quote from: TG
it is like fucking christmas up in here
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Cadmas on July 24, 2010, 12:49:49 AM
I would like to waste a minute of your time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXNOPn7rRyI)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: 日巫子 on July 24, 2010, 12:53:19 AM
I would like to waste a minute of your time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXNOPn7rRyI)
Ha ha, Doyora!
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Post by: E-Nazrin on July 24, 2010, 12:55:06 AM
At first I thought this was some sort of Doyoran prank when I saw it on my youtube subscriptions.
What the hell, man!
I wonder if it'll make use of the bit where fairies respawn indefinitely. Given the lack of life counters, it's possible; it could just affect some sort of "annoyance before giving up" meter/counter/something instead.
... actually, I swear I saw a fangame based on almost exactly that over a year ago... did it star Cirno as well...?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 24, 2010, 01:05:20 AM
I would like to waste a minute of your time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXNOPn7rRyI)
>put it in
:zun:
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on July 24, 2010, 01:18:49 AM
I freakin' love Doyora.
I cannot even pretend to be as enthusiastic about this game as I was for DS. Sigh. I hope it defies my expectations and turns out to be super crazy mega awesome.
The bright spot, however, is Daiyousei. Really hoping to see her again, she's adorable. :3
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 01:26:13 AM
I'm still curious about the gameplay itself, because ZUN doesn't really tell us a lot here.
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"A refreshing game where Cirno freezes the bullets she's supposed to dodge" It's the kind of game you can play mindlessly for a short time whenever you want, with a difficulty level you can chew on as you play it over and over, and bold, yet subtle patterns.
The images remind me of Fortune Star Panic! a little bit, so maybe there's a puzzle aspect? I'm intrigued.
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Post by: Serina on July 24, 2010, 01:32:41 AM
Wow!! First it made me a bit sad; but now it looks funny! i hope other members of team (9) appear too.... waah, wriggle, i miss you so much... well, i wanna see a TH13 too.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 24, 2010, 01:44:45 AM
Cirno starring in a puzzle game would be the ultimate laugh.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 01:50:26 AM
And I'd likely play the hell out of a Cirno puzzle/danmaku game, even if it only has three stages. Three fairies, right? Half a whole game? I mean, with this game, he's cranked out what, four games in the past 12 months, and released his last game only 4 months ago? It could be a mini-game. Like I said, my predictions are almost always off. He's been in rare form, though. Makes me really look forward to 13.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: ?q on July 24, 2010, 01:52:40 AM
Cirno starring in a puzzle game would be the ultimate laugh.
She was the final boss of the Touhou version of Tetris. Her top ability enabled her to auto-win, IIRC.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Matsuri on July 24, 2010, 01:53:31 AM
If this is some sort of puzzle-shmup hybrid, I may suddenly have more than a lack of interest. I may even be a little intrigued. :P
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 02:03:22 AM
I mean, the puzzle theory just comes from "she freezes the bullets that she has to dodge", and the game images showing swaths of bullets inside white frames. Maybe you can strategically freeze bullets, stopping them temporarily, and then dodge them? That'd be sweet.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 24, 2010, 02:05:00 AM
From the last screen shot, it looks more like you shatter them after they're frozen.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on July 24, 2010, 02:06:17 AM
She was the final boss of the Touhou version of Tetris. Her top ability enabled her to auto-win, IIRC.
Wasn't she only playable in the arcade mode of Touhou Battle Gaiden, though? And her final ability eliminated the use of spellcards, forcing all the matches to be simple tetris-- the most broken ability in the game, but not an auto-win by any means.
Ammy's comments make me intrigued. I wonder if there'll be a demo for this prior to a full release.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 02:09:54 AM
From the last screen shot, it looks more like you shatter them after they're frozen.
Aah yeah I see that now. She's in an ice cube, touches the bullets, they freeze, and then shatter. And you're also shooting. I'm guessing the freezes are bombs.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on July 24, 2010, 03:03:45 AM
And then A NEW TOUHOU APPEARED (http://i26.tinypic.com/313he13.jpg)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Matsuri on July 24, 2010, 03:08:23 AM
I see a flower.
I am interested.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Myschi on July 24, 2010, 03:18:38 AM
Is that a really tiny hat perched on her head? If so, awesome.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 03:20:30 AM
Looks like she wears a pair of hairbun-coverer thingies, tied with ribbons.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Firestorm29 on July 24, 2010, 03:26:15 AM
Actually my only source is from a video Chibity posted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JQTh6x8rlU)
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Extra:
An additional new manga series will be released in August titled 'Touhou Ibarakasen ~ Wild and Horned Hermit', and with that we are getting a new character:
New Touhou: http://i26.tinypic.com/313he13.jpg (Ibaraki Kasen)
I don't know where she got this info from. :derp:
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Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 03:45:10 AM
Looks that way. (https://komidol.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/new-touhou-manga-announced/) No mention of a new Touhou though.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: shadowbringer on July 24, 2010, 03:57:48 AM
curious thing: Bananamatic mentioned the possibility that bullets are slowed down (perhaps instantly, or frozen and then move again as they unfreeze), a possibility which I haven't thought of, initially (because I haven't played Guwange, or Mushihimesama Futari's Arrange Mode..). Rather, I thought that the gameplay would be a bit Progear-like, where converting bullets into jewels would make bullets near the converted bullets to be converted as well, and then the next bullets near these converted bullets (Diamond waves? In MY Touhou?).
My guess (which may be wrong, but guessing is fun, when the answers are sure to come; pointless, otherwise..), is that shooting will raise a gauge or level, which you spend when you want to freeze patterns and start a chain. If the game's like this, then you have Aya's defensive abilities.. on steroids! (everything's better with steroids, right?) ..erm.. think of some bullet-eating mechanic like in Giga Wing/Ikaruga, where you collide with bullets you're "supposed" to be avoiding. Though I wish that the game would feature partial bullet slowdown (as a defensive resource), or Cirno's ability to scatter shots to counter bullet walls or to avoid being cornered ( Cirno reduced the amount of shots whenever she froze the screen in PoFV, besides turning some of these shots into chainable shots, maybe to compensate for the random trajectory change of said frozen bullets.. just as an example)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on July 24, 2010, 04:35:03 AM
If bullet cancel is in this game, can we expect ZOMGCLUSTERFUCKS ? :3
Actually my only source is from a video Chibity posted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JQTh6x8rlU)I don't know where she got this info from. :derp:
It's from Ichijinsha's webpage and Chara Mel covers. Apparently it's supposed to be in the first volume of Chara Mel Febri (http://www2.ichijinsha.co.jp/febri/), which incidentally comes out today, it looks like.
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Post by: Anon on July 24, 2010, 04:49:55 AM
It's from Ichijinsha's webpage and Chara Mel covers. Apparently it's supposed to be in the first volume of Chara Mel Febri (http://www2.ichijinsha.co.jp/febri/), which incidentally comes out today, it looks like.
Correct. Zun's apparently got a new manga released with Febri's first volume.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51055732.html (http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51055732.html) If you want a sort of sneak peek.
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3408/kasen.th.jpg) (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/kasen.jpg/) I'm going to need your help translators. Name and title right there.
[matsuri]Images over 640x480 must be linked to or thumbnailed.[/matsuri]
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on July 24, 2010, 05:07:52 AM
Ibaraki Kasen ... Kasen ... Kasen was the yakuza family in GT- :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tiliesola x01 on July 24, 2010, 05:15:34 AM
Thank you, kind Anon! It looks like someone posted a little bit about it on 2ch, too, so hopefully there's enough information to distill something useful out of it all.
*edit* I guess she pretty much just appeared in this issue, said enough things to get people's attention, and looked pretty. Don't know what her power or connection to other characters is. Lots of speculation, though ...
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 05:18:16 AM
Ah, so there's the new girl!
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Mounting Jaggis on July 24, 2010, 05:25:40 AM
I wonder what obscure power she has
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Polaris on July 24, 2010, 05:27:24 AM
It's been less than a day since I've seen this girl and already she's set for one of my favorite Touhous :(
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Stuffman on July 24, 2010, 06:42:36 AM
Luna is my favorite of the three. Drills and DAT SCOWL.
Oh you're talking about Ibaraki, your avatar confused me
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: An Odd Sea Slug on July 24, 2010, 08:35:45 AM
Holy shit, Ibaraki is hot. Also, the 'Ibara' in her name amuses me more than it should.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tiliesola x01 on July 24, 2010, 08:47:51 AM
Her given name is Kasen; her family name is actually printed twice; first as Ibara, then as Ibaraki.
All that happens in the first chapter, apparently, is Marisa and Reimu talk about her, something else happens, and then she shows up and a little bit of dialogue. (And Reimu has the best evil expression at some point.) Based on that, 2ch already has her pegged as Suika's ex-girlfriend - the comic has been out for not even a day and the great yuri machine has already started turning its wheels ...
Also, Febri only comes out every other month, so no more Kasen until the end of September :<
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Post by: Aisha on July 24, 2010, 09:19:11 AM
Does anyone know if Oriental Sacred Place is still ongoing?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tiliesola x01 on July 24, 2010, 09:42:53 AM
The Monthly Comp Ace website says the August issue will have the first entry in that series since the last one came out in April's issue.
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Post by: Kasu on July 24, 2010, 12:46:35 PM
Didn't see this coming...
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: 日巫子 on July 24, 2010, 01:27:39 PM
SuikaxKasen OTP
Yay, another Touhou manga >w<
Looks like there's another new character, and I already like her. I wonder how long it'll take for an article on her to show up on the Touhou Wiki?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Garlyle on July 24, 2010, 01:43:34 PM
Looks like there's another new character, and I already like her. I wonder how long it'll take for an article on her to show up on the Touhou Wiki?[/size]
There already is one
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: 日巫子 on July 24, 2010, 01:46:17 PM
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
Well this is interesting.
Quote from: Touhou wiki article on Kasen Ibaraki
Early speculation in the Three Fairies spoiler topic on the Livedoor Touhou board revolved on the possibility that Kasen is based on Ibaraki Douji, the only one of Shuten Douji's group to survive. He later sought revenge on one of the group who vanquished the Ooeyama oni, Watanabe no Tsuna, by posing as a young girl in distress, then turning into a demon and attacking him. Tsuna cut off his arm and escaped, but Ibaraki Douji later retrieved it from Watanabe no Tsuna's mansion and fled again. (When Kasen first appears, she's looking for the "arm of the kappa" that's recently appeared at the shrine, but seems disappointed when she sees what it actually is. Further, her title is "the one-armed, horned hermit".) According to Japanese Wikipedia, Ibaraki Douji is said to have various relationships with Shuten Douji, and is alternately his son, or actually a woman and his lover.
She's described as having ribbons wrapped around her right arm. Could it be she's using some magical prosthetic arm, with the ribbons hiding the separation between her stump and the magical prosthesis, and is seeking the "arm of the kappa" as a replacement?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: ray10k on July 24, 2010, 02:23:04 PM
I think this looks awesome, even though I sort of expected a return to Touhou 1 in terms of gameplay (since the decimal numbers tend to have gameplay not directly related to normal danmaku). The other bit of good news is that this probably means that next year a new, "real" Touhou game will be released.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on July 24, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
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Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Matsuri on July 24, 2010, 04:59:24 PM
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Post by: Matsuri on July 24, 2010, 05:02:03 PM
Even better, then! :*
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Prody on July 24, 2010, 05:08:55 PM
Pixiv link with kasen tag for reference: 1 (http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?word=%E8%8C%A8%E8%8F%AF%E4%BB%99&s_mode=s_tag) 2 (http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?word=%E8%8C%A8%E6%9C%A8%E8%8F%AF%E6%89%87&s_mode=s_tag)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: KrackoCloud on July 24, 2010, 05:19:49 PM
That manga style seems a bit strange. Guess it'll take some getting used to for me.
Also, Kasen better have some awkward and wonderfully broken power. >:[
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Cadmas on July 24, 2010, 09:48:48 PM
She's described as having ribbons wrapped around her right arm. Could it be she's using some magical prosthetic arm, with the ribbons hiding the separation between her stump and the magical prosthesis, and is seeking the "arm of the kappa" as a replacement?
Well this got my attention. I didn't really care for this new Touhou at first, but now :o.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Zengeku on July 24, 2010, 10:30:37 PM
Its gonna suck.
Looks pretty interesting. It should be at least competent if i don't have to memorize and manipulate a dreadful gimmick to master it. Can't say anything about it for now though as i haven't seen anything about the gameplay outside of these screenshots.
Overall i'm positive about it. I hope it'll be something new to renew my interest in the Touhou series. And i'll even be going to Comiket myself this time so i might just pick it up. Nice of ZUN to inform me of where the heck i need to go.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: 日巫子 on July 24, 2010, 10:57:17 PM
She's described as having ribbons wrapped around her right arm. Could it be she's using some magical prosthetic arm, with the ribbons hiding the separation between her stump and the magical prosthesis, and is seeking the "arm of the kappa" as a replacement?
To add to that, PMiSS says that hermits are a youkai's favorite food. Maybe her arm was eaten by a youkai?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on July 24, 2010, 11:21:44 PM
I can't believe it took over five hours for one little picture :colonveeplusalpha:
The first thing I thought of when I learned about the new character was rank control. :\
The fact that I've been playing Ibara a lot lately makes this new character all the more awesome. :3
bombaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Serela on July 25, 2010, 02:37:44 PM
Her arm scares me ):
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Reddyne on July 25, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
I'm posting in this thread because everyone else has! Liking Kasen already, although whether she stays near the top or not has yet to be seen. The prosthetic arm motif is certainly an interesting one.
Considering the number of powers ZUN has gone through, I'd imagine she either has the power to make water buffalo tap dance or make people post only good comments on youtube.
Try as I may, I'm simply not excited for this game at all. I'll rather wait for TH13
My interest in this one is directly proportional to how the frozen bullet mechanics and other things are handled. To be short, the further away from StB and DS it is, the more I'll like it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 25, 2010, 06:14:09 PM
You do know the capturing/elimination of fields of bullets is used in StB and DS?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 25, 2010, 06:57:07 PM
I think he just hates Aya.
I can't really blame him. If I had several cons ruined by constant interaction with a fat retard in an Aya costume I'd probably hate her too.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on July 25, 2010, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: Wiki
...blah blah Kasen is based on Ibaraki Douji, the only one of Shuten Douji's group to survive. He later sought revenge on one of the group who vanquished the Ooeyama oni, Watanabe no Tsuna, blah blah...
When i read this, i googled all four names mentioned. I knew that Ooeyama will probably give me link to Yuugi (Flower Studded Sake Dish on >MOUNT OOE<), but when i was linked by something else too, i clicked the link and found this in the Fun Facts section:
Quote from: Wiki
In the legend of Shuten Douji, a particularly vicious oni who lived atop Mt. Ooeyama, one of Shuten Douji's four strongman demons was named Hoshiguma Douji.
Hoshiguma DOUJI? Another Douji? What's next, Suika was originally supposed to be named Suika Shuten?
Quote from: Wiki
Suika's name is similar in appearance to that of Shuten Douji, the leader of the oni that lived on Mt. Ooeyama. As a result, some Japanese fans think she might be based somewhat on Shuten Douji. Shuten Douji is sometimes said to have been abandoned after birth at the foot of Mt. Ibuki, and to have been previously been known as Ibuki Douji.
Oh, so Shuten was originally named Ibuki, not other way round. WAIT WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING :o
Douji Ibuki Douji Hoshiguma Douji Ibaraki
Well, i guess that this implies two things: 1) Kasen is probably 3rd Mountain Deva 2) Look what i forgot to quote:
Quote from: Wiki
...blah blah Ibaraki Douji is said to have various relationships with Shuten Douji, and is alternately his son, or actually a woman and his lover blah blah...
OH HAKUREI GOD NO yes? THAT MEANS THAT SUIKA?KASEN IS SEMI-OFFICIAL AND PREPARE FOR SEMI-OFFICIAL "KASEN IS SUIKA'S DAUGHTER"
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kasu on July 25, 2010, 10:06:33 PM
Ah, but you miss the clincher. Douji Ibaraki lost his right arm in an incident while seeking revenge and it was stolen from him. He quested to get it back through trickery.
Now tell me. Do you remember what Kasen's character title is? Do you remember what is significant about her right arm? And what is she currently seeking at the moment that may or may not get resolved in the first chapter?
EDIT: Oh yes. I forgot. Of course, all of this is speculation. As such, it is all useless in proving something true. But it's fun all the same.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Serela on July 25, 2010, 10:39:26 PM
I wonder when we'll find the 4th Deva, then.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Recon 5 on July 26, 2010, 12:09:51 AM
I hope you guys don't seriously think ZUN put as much thought into all this as fans have. We all know that the quality of his games takes a hit when he becomes sober enough to put thought into anything besides bullet patterns.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kasu on July 26, 2010, 12:14:20 AM
Ah, but you miss the clincher. Douji Ibaraki lost his right arm in an incident while seeking revenge and it was stolen from him. He quested to get it back through trickery.
Now tell me. Do you remember what Kasen's character title is? Do you remember what is significant about her right arm? And what is she currently seeking at the moment that may or may not get resolved in the first chapter?
EDIT: Oh yes. I forgot. Of course, all of this is speculation. As such, it is all useless in proving something true. But it's fun all the same.
Well, i don't really know anything about devas except that they are four onis. Does having one arm mean you can't be deva? Anyways, i always thought that thinking that Konngara is one of devas is stupid, because no way ZUN planned this since Touhou 1. And i still think that. However, i have just realised that this doesn't mean he can't make her one of devas now, because she doesn't really have any official background. Also, i find the fact that both Jigoku and Makai suddenly returned in two consecutive games (J11, M12) highly suspicious. Especially since Yuugi and other onis moved suspiciously close to Jigoku. Maybe Touhou 13 will be HRtP-style game? 12.0 .3 .5 and .8 are all different types of games, maybe ZUN will make 13 different too? And make some PC-98 characters return? Return of Konngara would be excellent trolling IMO, because most people would expect return of certain other character from HRtP, one with already existing story, one that ZUN has experience writing dialogue for, one with fans, one apparently liked even by ZUN (at least in the past), if you know who i mean (hint: not Reimu)(actually, that would be logical, so that's not going to happen)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: 日巫子 on July 26, 2010, 12:53:38 AM
The idea of Kasen being the 3rd Deva passed my mind,although this throws my theory that both Konngara and YuugenMagan are the other two Devas right out the window. If Kasen really is the 3rd Deva, I hope that at least the 4th one is Konngara.
It would be pretty interesting if Kasen became a hermit after all the Oni went underground. Yuugi mentioned that there were no mountains to climb underground in SA. That could possibly imply that the Devas haven't been hanging out as much, and Kasen just up and left the group. Yuugi probably taught herself to fight while holding sake because Suika was aboveground, Kasen became a hermit, and Konngara (if you don't mind, I'm sticking the title of the 4th Deva on her) wouldn't leave the Silent Shrine.
Anyways, i always thought that thinking that Konngara is one of devas is stupid, because no way ZUN planned this since Touhou 1. And i still think that. However, i have just realised that this doesn't mean he can't make her one of devas now, because she doesn't really have any official background.
I don't think ZUN planned the 4 Devas from the very start, but you're right. He could easily make Konngara one of the Devas. If you really look, she's actually vaguely similar to Yuugi in that they both have one horn and carry sake dishes while they fight.
Edit: Actually, I don't agree with you thinking the Konngara Deva theory is stupid, because I still support that theory.
Return of Konngara would be excellent trolling IMO, because most people would expect return of certain other character from HRtP, one with already existing story, one that ZUN has experience writing dialogue for, one with fans, one apparently liked even by ZUN (at least in the past), if you know who i mean (hint: not Reimu)(actually, that would be logical, so that's not going to happen)
While other people might feel trolled, I certainly wouldn't. I've been more eager to see Konngara than who you're talking about. I would actually be really surprised to see the other anticipated character appear, because I've started to assume she went and got herself reincarnated after Mystic Square.
blah blah words
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Nobu on July 26, 2010, 12:54:48 AM
I hope you guys don't seriously think ZUN put as much thought into all this as fans have. We all know that the quality of his games takes a hit when he becomes sober enough to put thought into anything besides bullet patterns.
I think ZUN plans more than he lets on, but even he can't anticipate or theorize everything. Obviously he has to think about *something* while he drinks. :P
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tiliesola x01 on July 26, 2010, 01:09:09 AM
I hope you guys don't seriously think ZUN put as much thought into all this as fans have.
Are you kidding? Go wash your face and read CoLA 25.
If there's one thing ZUN has shown over the years, it's that he loves sticking little details like this in on purpose. c.f. Kanako and Suwako's relationship being based on the kamiyuzuri from the Kojiki, why Yukari's name is Yakumo from CoLA 25, why Lunarians are basically immortal, why the flower incident happens every 60 years from the Seasonal Dream Vision short story, etc. If ZUN introduced a new character as "The One-armed, Horned Hermit - Kasen Ibara (Kasen Ibaraki)" and made her story so that it conveniently shares aspects with that of Ibaraki Douji, an oni who was well-represented in Japanese art in the 18th and 19th centuries and at one point lost his right arm and had to go looking for it, he probably did it on purpose - he's got a record of doing things like that. The real question is what it really means. Too bad this comes out every other month.
Of course, I could be wrong - it's not like it would be the first time!
Quote from: BeyPokeDig
Well, i don't really know anything about devas except that they are four onis.
The "Four Devas of the Mountain" in Touhou are oni based on characters in the Shuten Douji legend. Their leader was Shuten Douji, and his second in command was Ibaraki Douji. The four strongest members of his band were Kuma Douji, Hoshiguma Douji, Kaneguma Douji, and Toraguma Douji. The only real important thing is whether ZUN goes out of his way to make a connection between a Touhou character and a legendary character. (Four Devas is just one translation of 四天王, which is a ... fairly commonly used term. Groups of characters bear this name in series as diverse as Final Fantasy, Digimon, and Hokuto no Ken.)
In this case, you don't get to be in the group if you're not (or weren't at some point) an oni, since it's a group of four oni ...
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Napalnman1231 on July 26, 2010, 01:47:33 AM
I can't really blame him. If I had several cons ruined by constant interaction with a fat retard in an Aya costume I'd probably hate her too.
I don't think that's it. I'm guessing it's more related to the fact that at a certain point, I could retry a stage one hundred times and fail just as many without any sign of improvement. Even if the stars aligned and I kicked some serious ass to beat a level, my REWARD for doing so was MORE PUNISHMENT. I just beat Mokou for the first time. I spent a fewer number of times memorizing her stage and all of its intricacies, and the details and exploitation methods of all the spell cards, than I did on the stages in StB or DS on which I gave them up. It doesn't matter one lick to me that I beat stage 8-whatever in DS. I beat Mokou and actually feel like I did something.
That, and I can't count how many times I came up short one single photo, the number of times I mashed the Z key at 98% and died the next instant, the number of times I had to sit back and watch myself get swarmed by seven hundred bullets after I took a picture one pixel shy of its intended target, and the number of times at mid-game that I'd just huddle in a corner taking pictures of bullets until something stupid killed me. Why would I enjoy this type of experience?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: ebarrett on July 26, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
(AYARAGE, plus Mokou what-is-the-opposite-of-rage-again?)
Late StB/DS stages are (sometimes much) harder than IN Extra, duh!
Also, if you're dying repeatedly in the same way in a level, that's the cue for trying something completely different, even if it looks stupid. But yeah sometimes you can just hit a seamless ceiling, and insisting on something you maybe do not have the skillset to deal with yet will only lead to more raging and smashing and foaming at the mouth.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 26, 2010, 03:26:54 AM
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Drake on July 26, 2010, 03:35:30 AM
ZUN is cool. He definitely plans out all these things. Fans tend to demean the effort he puts into doing all this stuff because he's a drunkard and obviously people can't think of all these things when they're drunk, but I'm pretty certain the fans don't put enough faith into ZUN putting in enough thought about his own characters. There is way too much of a correlation between his characters and mythology and such to be bulled, and he's proved quite thoroughly in his written works that he works hard fabricating and shaping Gensokyo's universe.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Pesco on July 26, 2010, 07:49:54 AM
Replace her buns with socks and she looks like Tewi to me.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Lloyd Dunamis on July 26, 2010, 09:07:03 AM
The Three Fairies in an official game! I am soooooooo delighted to hear this!!~<3 >w<
*pardon for not reading the rest of the posts*
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on July 26, 2010, 09:50:34 AM
Edit: Actually, I don't agree with you thinking the Konngara Deva theory is stupid, because I still support that theory.
Actually, you still agree with me :P because i meant that thinking she was supposed to be deva since TH1 is stupid. The theory actually makes sense because of TH11&12.
The "Four Devas of the Mountain" in Touhou are oni based on characters in the Shuten Douji legend. Their leader was Shuten Douji, and his second in command was Ibaraki Douji. The four strongest members of his band were Kuma Douji, Hoshiguma Douji, Kaneguma Douji, and Toraguma Douji. The only real important thing is whether ZUN goes out of his way to make a connection between a Touhou character and a legendary character. (Four Devas is just one translation of 四天王, which is a ... fairly commonly used term. Groups of characters bear this name in series as diverse as Final Fantasy, Digimon, and Hokuto no Ken.)
In this case, you don't get to be in the group if you're not (or weren't at some point) an oni, since it's a group of four oni ...
Thanks for interesting information! I guess that this pretty much confirms it. I misunderstood Anon's post and i thought he is proving that she is NOT deva. I wonder what will Konngara's (or 4th deva's) name be? Konngara Kuma? Konngara Kaneguma? Konngara Toraguma?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Reddyne on July 26, 2010, 11:18:46 AM
Late StB/DS stages are (sometimes much) harder than IN Extra, duh!
Also, if you're dying repeatedly in the same way in a level, that's the cue for trying something completely different, even if it looks stupid. But yeah sometimes you can just hit a seamless ceiling, and insisting on something you maybe do not have the skillset to deal with yet will only lead to more raging and smashing and foaming at the mouth.
I think regardless of the level I reach, I'm already sick enough of the style of play that I'll never bother to pick up either again. I don't like them, hence, I don't want to play them.
Actually, you still agree with me :P because i meant that thinking she was supposed to be deva since TH1 is stupid. The theory actually makes sense because of TH11&12.
I did notice that pattern...and Makai also appears in HRtP, and there are two final bosses in that game... :3
I wonder what will Konngara's (or 4th deva's) name be? Konngara Kuma? Konngara Kaneguma? Konngara Toraguma?
Konngara Kaneguma sounds pretty. So, if you used this (http://jisho.org/kanji/details/鋆) and the kanji in Yuugi's surname...
鋆熊 矜羯羅 ? (Kaneguma Konngara; this is pure speculation)
My kanji skills still suck really bad, though; I had to go to the Touhou Wiki to get all the kanji after "kane" x_x
Edit: Oh, hold on, I just went back on jisho and look up the different kanji in Konngara's name for the lulz: 矜 means "pride/respect", 羯 means "barbarian", and the last one (羅) means "silk" (the last one was on the Touhou Wiki)...I don't really get it.
Title: Touhou 12.8
Post by: Tengukami on July 26, 2010, 12:06:57 PM
Edit: nvm
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Zengeku on July 26, 2010, 01:31:45 PM
Hmm... i was wondering when we'd see the 3rd oni girl. The arguments for how this one is indeed the 3rd deva seems solid enough.
ZUN is cool. He definitely plans out all these things. Fans tend to demean the effort he puts into doing all this stuff because he's a drunkard and obviously people can't think of all these things when they're drunk, but I'm pretty certain the fans don't put enough faith into ZUN putting in enough thought about his own characters.
Meh? ZUN? Capable of thought? Implausible. He is just a druken pedophile who somehow know how to make shooting games.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Azure Lazuline on July 26, 2010, 02:29:08 PM
He does plan a large number of things, and I won't doubt that he plans the characters to match up with mythology or famous people. That's the funnest part of writing a story, or at least that's what my story-writing friend says. However, some of the little details or links that the fans come up with just seem to insignificant... but I just woke up ten minutes ago, so I can't give any specifics. I do think this particular case is planned, though.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Mounting Jaggis on July 26, 2010, 02:54:38 PM
ZUN does tend to surprise people, even nearly 7 years after a character has been introduced. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6037.0)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on July 26, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
Argh, i won't have internet on my vacation which starts NEXT HOUR :( i didn't expect this. Well, i will be back in 7 days, i hope some interesting info about 12.8 / ibarakasen / TH14.-1 appears meanwhile. Also, i wanted to point out that Konngara Kaneguma sounds very nice in my post too :) and then i wanted to get info on all Doujis and see which one of them is swordsman or from a distant star or whatever. I don't have time for that now, so someone with enough time will have to check that instead. KTHXBAI for now!
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Code Slasher on July 27, 2010, 09:13:44 PM
I didn't see this coming! Or, maybe I did? I'm not sure XD! Still, it's a freezing game? How would that work?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Lucarius on July 28, 2010, 11:01:05 PM
I wish ZUN would add on some bonus for waiting 3 hours on the A-28a line. It would really make the travel expenses and sunburn worthwhile.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: N-Forza on July 29, 2010, 02:05:41 AM
True. But I'm kind of worried... will you really dare to venture inside ZUN's booth? (If you can, at least steal an autograph or something from him so you can later sell it for wwwwwwwYen at Yahoo Auctions :V)
Anyway, looking forward for this one because I've always wanted to see the fairies in an official game.
ZUNtastic news!
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Recon 5 on July 29, 2010, 05:05:32 AM
I wish ZUN would add on some bonus for waiting 3 hours on the A-28a line. It would really make the travel expenses and sunburn worthwhile.
If any one circle would be kind enough to offer incentives precisely for that, it might just set a precedent that would reach our Kannushi before Reitaisai 20.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Gappy on July 30, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
Am I the only person who feels it should've been '12.9'?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: BestKHparodies on July 30, 2010, 08:06:09 AM
FAIRY WARS? Seriously? Come on.............
Oh well. I bet it will be the hardest Touhou game to date. Worse than UFO, PoFV Lunatic and StB combined.
Yay, Cirno as the PC! :D
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Zengeku on July 30, 2010, 11:01:26 AM
No. A game called something as silly as Fairy Wars is not allowed to be hard.
Title: Touhou 12.8
Post by: Tengukami on July 30, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
New to Touhou, are you?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Helepolis on July 30, 2010, 11:23:27 AM
No. A game called something as silly as Fairy Wars is not allowed to be hard.
Does "Yousei Taisensou ~ Sangatsusei" sound cooler to you? :P
Also hey Hele's back :] I wonder if there's any truth in that statement. Plausible, but I wonder if there's another explanation. I don't see why ZUN would care about the (9) viral meme honestly.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Bias Bus on July 30, 2010, 12:53:36 PM
Oh well. I bet it will be the hardest Touhou game to date. Worse than UFO, PoFV Lunatic and StB combined.
Yay, Cirno as the PC! :D
can't comment on StB or UFO. But PoFV doesn't differ much from Normal, I think. Once you get used to lvl 16 EX attacks and chain resetting for survival, I mean.
Ironically, I have a PoFV Lunatic 1cc with Cirno :V (I'll admit to not having played the game much, was busy with other games)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Zengeku on July 31, 2010, 08:12:30 AM
Does "Yousei Taisensou ~ Sangatsusei" sound cooler to you? :P
Uh yes. Because then its a language i don't understand. Except that i know that Yousei is fairy. But aside of that, no clue. Fairy Wars just sound like some silly kids game. About as intimidating as Fat Princess. Judging upon the third screenshot on ZUN's blog though it might throw some pretty nasty danmaku at you in order to make the Freeze bullets gimmick almost-necessary to use. Or am i the only person who thinks QED V.2 when seeing that screenshot?
Title: Touhou 12.8
Post by: Tengukami on July 31, 2010, 10:42:28 AM
I laughed at 'Perfect Cherry Blossom' too. Playing it made the laughter stop.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Slaves on July 31, 2010, 03:06:27 PM
I laughed at 'Perfect Cherry Blossom' too. Playing it made the laughter stop.
Hahaha. PCB was my first Touhou game and it's still my favorite. My adoration for flowers drew me to the game, and its brilliance has kept me loving it more than any other game in the series. The only games that even come close to how much I love PCB are MS, PoDD, and PoFV. :P
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Sen on July 31, 2010, 03:50:25 PM
Fat Princess is the greatest name for any video game ever shut up.
Also I always thought "Perfect Cherry Blossom" was far more pretty than silly. It's the reason it was the first Touhou game I played! :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tengukami on July 31, 2010, 04:01:02 PM
It just so happens that I finally got PCB to run at a normal speed in fullscreen today. Normally, fullscreen would send it up to 720 FPS. All I did was check off the DirectX box in the config file.
It's a real joy to play that game, especially using Reimu B, and it's even better when I can see what I'm doing during those bullet-heavy moments.
While Mountain of Faith was the first game I played - because it was the newest - the name "Perfect Cherry Blossom" made me chuckle initially. I thought it was going to be fairly easy with that pretty, floral name. And it wasn't too bad until I hit Stage 4 and was attacked by ... a fairy. Lily White tore me up one side and down the other. I learned an important lesson about respect for fairies that day.
So don't laugh at fairies. They will open for you a world of pain.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: shadowbringer on July 31, 2010, 04:21:43 PM
Oh man, Twinkle Star Sprites. It's amazing how hard a lot of that cute stuff is. AirRade-Air, for example. You're a flying high school girl collecting things like French fries, milkshakes and dodging frogs and teddy bears. Your insulin level actually climbs as you play it. But I have never cleared a normal run.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Zengeku on July 31, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
the main focus of the game is Cirno fighting the 3 mischievous fairies.
are you saying that this isn't a silly kids' game?
Considering that the last title was about three girls of probably very mediocre intelligence goes off to chase some ship while collecting tokens for no apparent reason i'd say that ZUN's ideas for games usually are very silly.
This is of course Cirno we are talking about. A girl who is famous for being silly and stupid. And the strongest they say. My experiences in EoSD said otherwise though. And why would the three mischievous fairies have any powerful magic anyway?
Whatever the case though: Its a ZUN game so its not a kid's game.
So don't laugh at fairies. They will open for you a world of pain.
Lily White is proof that fairies can do some sort of danmaku but nothing too complex so it gets outright scary. Hmm... maybe Lily White will make a comeback.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Lloyd Dunamis on August 10, 2010, 05:40:22 AM
So what does シュガーサテラ/Sugar Satellite get to control this time, I wonder? :3 Sunny = light Luna = sound Star = detect animate objects Sugar = ?satellites?? Aaah, imagination failure this time~ x.x *faints*
... Wait a minute! She must be the 4th Youkai of Light Sunny lied about in SaBND Chp6 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Chococloud/Art%20link/strange_and_bright_ch06_04_crop.jpg)!! *heart skips a beat, hands wave up&down rapidly in excitement* >////////////////////////< Aaaah, that very small detail! I should've known. More proof ZUN plans everything, or creates something big from a small detail, methinks.
There must be a description about her in the posted YT video, though I can't read them all =.=
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Cadmas on August 10, 2010, 05:53:18 AM
I'm guessing her power would be to make delicious breakfast treats.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Lloyd Dunamis on August 10, 2010, 06:01:28 AM
Star can cook for the three of them already, though that's not a bad idea |D
Then, what'll Sugar's relationship be with the three fairies?
Sunny: "Ah! The 4th Youkai of Light! She was for real after all!"
Also, there's the little-y unrelated thought of the Prismriver Sisters' Layla (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Layla_Prismriver)?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: ark on August 11, 2010, 05:52:13 AM
New ZUNblog post (http://kourindou.exblog.jp/13075165/), talking about lack of support for Windows 2000, and mentioning that it's a more or less regular STG with stages, but with multiple routes and fewer stages per route. The usual 4 difficulty levels as well.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Lloyd Dunamis on August 11, 2010, 06:51:37 AM
*gasp* Speech balloons!
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: arch on August 11, 2010, 08:41:28 AM
New ZUNblog post (http://kourindou.exblog.jp/13075165/), talking about lack of support for Windows 2000, and mentioning that it's a more or less regular STG with stages, but with multiple routes and fewer stages per route. The usual 4 difficulty levels as well.
Multiple routes? YES!!
Title: Touhou 12.8
Post by: Tengukami on August 11, 2010, 12:15:10 PM
Multiple routes?! But that was my Touhou 13 prediction. Man, it's like ZUN doesn't even read our threads here or something.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: N-Forza on August 11, 2010, 01:02:59 PM
Well, it's not that unheard of, considering one of his favorite shmup series does it too. It was only a matter of time; he just needed an excuse.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Suikama on August 11, 2010, 03:25:57 PM
Oh man are those new bullet graphics I see :] :] :] :]
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: DgBarca on August 11, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Drake on August 11, 2010, 06:07:20 PM
The fireballs have a yellow outline because it's probably just to make them easier to identify by themselves. ZUN decided to make them overlap instead of ADD-blend them. Congratulations, everybody who bitches at UFO.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: orinrin on August 11, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
The fireballs have a yellow outline because it's probably just to make them easier to identify by themselves. ZUN decided to make them overlap instead of ADD-blend them. Congratulations, everybody who bitches at UFO.
Bitching that transcends time and space.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Aisha on August 11, 2010, 10:14:47 PM
Looks like ZUN is using a different boss lifebar style in that second new screenshot. It reminds me of various CAVE timers that get placed around the player.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Cadmas on August 12, 2010, 01:54:41 AM
My answer. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/1/9/)
Focus group of ten-year old girls. The way all marketing research should be done.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tiliesola x01 on August 14, 2010, 02:21:44 AM
OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY
Quote from: Manual screen 4
4. You can freeze enemy bullets!
"The enemies are just fairies; don't they have too many bullets?" They do. * Since this is from Cirno's perspective, it looks like there are more bullets than usual.
However! This isn't enough to do Cirno in. Cirno has a secret weapon. Namely, the "Ice Barrier", which is activated by her normal shots.
The ice attack only effects her immediate vicinity, but somehow it can freeze any bullet it touches. You can even safely touch frozen bullets. If the ice shatters, the bullet will be completely destroyed! They will even freeze nearby bullets when they shatter.
You can continually freeze nearby bullets by aiming for areas where the barrage is thickest, and thus destroy the enemy's barrage.
If you just can't avoid the bullets, you should use your head instead of relying on Cirno's brains and find an effective freezing pattern!
The Ice Barrier won't stay at full power forever. Even idiots can get tired.
Ice Power (the % gauge above your player icon) can't be used unless it's above 30%.
When it's close to 100%, you can use it continuously. It will run out almost immediately at 30%.
When you use the Ice Barrier, Ice Power will return to 0%.
How to renew Ice Power. * it will refill naturally over time (slowly) * hitting enemies with your shot (fairly quickly, important during boss fights) * defeating stage enemies (instantly) * grazing enemy bullets (for high-level players, very important in later stages) * storing it (refills more quickly than usual)
Quote from: Manual screen 9
9. I Don't Get It This game is really hard, and the controls are really complicated, and the text is really difficult, and I just don't get it.
How should you try to clear it? If you haven't gotten any hints yet, try watching the demo play. If you leave the title screen alone, it will start a demo.
You can also read this explanation of the controls from the menu that appears when you pause the game.
The dialogue is hard to follow because they're fairies. They'll probably have completely forgotten everything they said as soon as the fight is over.
Title theme: 春の氷精 (An Ice Fairy in Spring)
Stage 1 theme: 可愛い大戦争のリフレーン (A Cute Refrain of a Great Battle)
降り注ぐ星の光 (The Starlight Streaming From the Heavens) - Star Sapphire Spell Cards: 星符「スターライトレイン」 Star Sign "Starlight Rain" 星符「レッドスター」 Star Sign "Red Star" 星光「スターストーム」 Starlight "Star Storm" 流星「プチコメット」 Shooting Star "Petite Comet" 星粒「スプリンクルピース」 Stardust "Sprinkle Piece" 星符「トゥインクルサファイア」 Star Sign "Twinkle Sapphire"
Magic Forest (night) theme: 真夜中のフェアリーダンス "A Midnight Fairy Dance"
ALL THREE FAIRIES AT ONCE spell cards (oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii) 光符「エクステンシブメテオ」 Light Sign "Extensive Meteo" 星熱「アイスディゾルバー」 Starblaze "Ice Dissolver" 光星「グレートトライアングル」 Bright Star "Great Triangle" 協力技「フェアリーオーバードライブ」 Cooperative Technique "Fairy Overdrive" 「スリーフェアリーズ」 "Three Fairies" 光符「ルチルフレクション」 Light Sign "Rutileflection" 空符「エルフィンキャノピー」 Sky Sign "Elfin Canopy"
Hm... Taking a look at that picture. It has "Route A1" and "Route A2" in Japanese in addition to the big Route A you can select. So that may make it 8 routes.
Or maybe there's something else to choose.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on August 14, 2010, 02:44:21 AM
Oi, looks like if you want to pacifist anything ... you have to do it on Easy BV
We'll see about that. 8)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: nintendonut888 on August 14, 2010, 03:59:29 AM
Game looks fun from the clip I saw. Can't wait to get my hands on this. :3
Also, I'm looking forward to not only the translation patch (which I have faith the good people will have out in a timely fashion), but the scanlation of the comic this is based on, since it will no doubt gain higher priority over the rest (kinda like how the wiki only has Shuusou Gyoku's extra stage translated :B)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on August 14, 2010, 04:14:22 AM
Lunatic. It's like ESPGaluda II Arrange. U do eet Naut :colonveeplusalpha:
Anyway the patterns here look more Cave-ish than ZUN-ish, IMO.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Serela on August 14, 2010, 04:17:53 AM
4 routes, 3 of them having 2 paths each (4th is ?), four different difficulties for them all
assuming 7 routes x 3 bosses x 4 difficulties x average of 3 spellcards (these are simplified, close but inaccurate numbers that even eachother's mistakes out)
7 x 4 x 3 x 3 28 x 3 x 3 28 x 9 252
So 250 makes perfect sense if bad math gets 252.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Tiliesola x01 on August 14, 2010, 05:52:44 AM
Oh, EX boss.
DA ZA DA!!!!
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: FinnKaenbyou on August 14, 2010, 06:14:19 AM
The EX boss is
Marisa
, and she has a spellcard named
Test Slave
[/i].
I don't know where to begin.
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Formless God on August 14, 2010, 06:21:43 AM
... Is
Kaguya
one of the bosses or is it just some really creative joke ?
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Slaves on August 14, 2010, 06:22:08 AM
Actually you just get a metric ton of continues, they aren't infinite.
Well, there are at least 5 on all difficulties, i didn't count them (2 tries on easy: finished, 1 try on lunatic: ran out of continues on last stage 1 spellcard or so), but the fact that there is no continue counter and that i can finish it on both first and second try despite it being hard made me think that they are infinite, at least on easy. (Then again, i somehow finished SA easy on my first try ever. I don't remember if it was with or without continues though, either way i was probably lucky)
Title: Re: Touhou 12.8: The Great Fairy Wars ~ Touhou Three Fairies
Post by: Neonie on August 14, 2010, 03:11:29 PM