Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: stargroup on July 16, 2009, 12:12:50 AM
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I pretty much dislike all spell cards that are boring because they are trivial, or stupid because they are unfair.
All spell cards are Lunatic or Extra/Phantasm unless otherwise stated.
EoSD:
- Water Sign "Bury In Lake" (Stage 4)
- Fire & Earth Sign "Lava Cromlech" (Stage 4)
- Water & Wood Sign "Water Elf" (Stage 4)
- Earth & Metal Sign "Emerald Megalith" (Stage 4) [sort of. unfair, but still kinda fun]
- Conjuring "Illusional Misdirection" (Stage 5)
- Scarlet Sign "Scarlet Meister" (Stage 6) [kinda]
- Sun Sign "Royal Flare" (Extra) [No one doesn't micro memorize this]
- Taboo "Cranberry Trap" (Extra)
- Forbidden Barrage "Counter Clock" (Extra) [I just dislike this one]
PCB:
- Trumpet Ghost "Ghost Clifford -Lunatic-" (Stage 4) [don't like curving lasers]
- Great Funeral Concert "Ghostly Wheel Wonderous Concerto Grosso" (Stage 4)
- Hell God Sword "God's Flashing Slash as Karma Gust" (Stage 5) [way too dense]
- Losing Hometown "Lost Soul's Village -Suicide-" (Stage 6)
- Deadly Dance "Law of Mortality -Demon World-" (Stage 6)
- Shikigami's Shot "Ultimate Buddhist" (Extra) [trivial]
- Evil Spirits "Bewitching Butterfly Living in the Zen Temple" (Phantasm)
- Yukari's Arcanum "Danmaku Bounded Field" (Phantasm)
IN: (gawd I hate this game)
- Pseudo-History "The Legend of Gensokyo" (Stage 3)
- Future "Gods' Realm" (Stage 3)
- Dream Land "Super Duplex Barrier" (Stage 4 uncanny)
- Divine Arts "Omnidirectional Dragon Slaying Circle" (Stage 4 uncanny)
- Migrating Spirit "Fantasy Seal -Dark-" (Stage 4 uncanny)
- Divine Spirit "Fantasy Seal -Blink-" (Stage 4 uncanny)
- Magic Space "Asteroid Belt" (Stage 4 powerful)
- Love Storm "Starlight Typhoon" (Stage 4 powerful)
- Light Blast "Shoot the Moon" (Stage 4 powerful) [not a fair sightread card, trivial otherwise]
- Magicannon "Final Master Spark" (Stage 4 powerful) [cheap]
- Visionary Wave "Mind Blowing" (Stage 5)
- Indolence "Mind Stopper" (Stage 5)
- God Sign "Genealogy of the Sky-Born" (Stage 6A)
- Mind of God "Omoikane's Brain" (Stage 6A)
- Forbidden Arcanum "Hourai Elixir" (Stage 6A)
- Divine Treasure "Buddhist Diamond" (Stage 6B) [this is one of the worst stages in all of Touhou]
- Divine Treasure "Salamander Shield" (Stage 6B)
- Divine Treasure "Life Spring Infinity" (Stage 6B) [impossible]
- Divine Treasure "Hourai Jewel -Dreamlike Paradise-" (Stage 6B) [also impossible]
- "End of Imperishable Night -Rising World-" (Stage 6B) [this one is just personal dislike, nothing REALLY wrong with the card]
- Immortal "Fire Bird -Flying Phoenix-" (Extra) [worst extra stage too]
- Deathless "Xu Fu's Dimension" (Extra) [entire card is useless]
- Hollow Giant "Woo" (Extra)
- Hourai "Fujiyama Volcano" (Extra)
- "Possessed by Phoenix" (Extra)
MoF:
- Bumper Crop "Promise of the Wheat God" (Stage 1)
- Water Sign "Hydro Camouflage" (Stage 3) [really hard to dodge for some reason]
- Wonder "Night with Overly Bright Guest Stars" (Stage 5)
- Weird Festival "Madly Dance on Medoteko" (Stage 6)
- God Sign "Ancient Fate Linked by Cedars" (Extra)
- Spring Sign "Jade of the Horrid River" (Extra) [cheap]
- Native God "The Red Frog in the Fourth Year of the Hourei Era" (Extra)
- "Suwa War - Native Myth vs Central Myth" (Extra)
SA:
- Tongue-Cut Sparrow "Large Box and Small Box" (Stage 2)
- Shackles Sign "Shackles a Criminal Can't Take Off" (Stage 3)
- Four Devas Arcanum "Knock Out In Three Steps" (Stage 3)
- Recollection "Terrifying Hypnotism" (Stage 4)
- Recollection "Flying Insect's Nest" (Stage 4)
- Recollection "Great Whirlwind" (Stage 4)
- Recollection "Straw Doll Kamikaze" (Stage 4)
- Recollection "Princess Undine" (Stage 4) [from EoSD]
- "Small Demon's Revival" (Stage 5)
- Youkai "Blazing Wheel" (Stage 6) [what is the point of this card]
- Atomic Fire "Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction" (Stage 6)
- Esoterica "Nine Syllable Stabs" (Extra)
- Symbol "All Ancestors Standing Beside Your Bed" (Extra)
- "Philosophy of a Hated Person" (Extra) [really, really cheap]
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Ooh, I've been wanting to make a list like this for a while. Even the ones that kill me a lot I don't really hate, so I'll just list the ones I REVILE.
Ephermerality 137
Tele-Mesmerism
Omoikane's Brain (one of, if not THE worst)
Phantom of the Grand Guignol
Old Lady Ohgane's Fire
Hydro Camoflauge
Peerless Wind God
Suwako's sixth spell card (for clip death laser madness)
Border of Wave and Particle
Catwalk
Possessed Fairy
Genetics of the Subconscious (competes with Omoikane's Brain for worst spell card of all time).
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Mountain of Faith
The whole Kanako fight is a lot of a drag to me. I always feel her attacks are boring (Well, torus is nice. and rains, but that's h4x) or just cheesy and generally crap although hard to dodge. But when I reach MoF... it's like I just get instantly demoralised and find myself facing a card that's hard, NEVER FUCKING ENDS and that I'd just rather be doing bloody anything else. And then, of course, I die.
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Note that my listing will be different, based on my playing style (which combines shotgunning, zooming around the screen and micro-dodging). In other words, I (generally) hate anything which boxes you into a corner easily, or pushes you too far down. Listing one or two for each game, else it defeats the purpose.
EoSD
- Maid Secret Skill "Killing Doll" (if only because of Max Rank)
- God Art "Vampire Illusion"
PCB
- Hell God Sword "God's Flashing Slash as Karma Gust"
- Bounded Field "Balance of Motion and Stillness"
IN
- Divine Treasure "Buddhist Diamond"
MoF
- Crossroad Sign "Crossroads of Heaven" (Easy / Normal)
- Mystery "Yamato Torus"
SA
- Recollection "Princess Undine"
- Catwalk (series)
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i've only been playing SA for less than a few weeks but Parsee midboss card almost makes me want to go to japan and hunt down ZUN
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i've only been playing SA for less than a few weeks but Parsee midboss card almost makes me want to go to japan and hunt down ZUN
You'll get used to some nice routes with that one soon enough. See you when you start facing Orin...
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EoSD:
Illusion Sign "Flower Imaginary Dream Vine"
Color Sign "Extreme Color Typhoon"
Fire Sign "Agni Shine High Level"
Wood Sign "Sylphae Horn High Level"
Fire Sign "Agni Radiance" (so. much.)
Maid Secret Skill "Marionette" (more so than Killing Doll)
Curse "Curse of Vlad Tepes" (more so than Vampire Illusion)
Sun Sign "Royal Flare"
Taboo "Cranberry Trap"
Taboo "Maze of Love"
Forbidden Barrage "Starbow Break"
Forbidden Barrage "Catadioptric"
PCB:
White Sign "Chalk-White Russian Dolls"
Brute Sword "Karmic Punishment of the Idle and Unfocused"
(Yuyuko's second and third nonspells... large bullet spreads and clipdeath walls)
Oni Sign "Red Oni Blue Oni"
Oni God "Soaring Guardian God"
Shikigami's Radiance "Charming Siege from All Sides" (so. much.)
Shikigami's Radiance "Princess Tenko -Illusion-"
IN:
Land Sign "Three Sacred Treasures -Orb-"
Pseudo-History "The Legend of Gensokyo"
Migrating Spirit "Fantasy Seal -Dark-"
Border World "Hakurei Danmaku Bounded Field"
(Marisa's second nonspell - like, seriously, is this supposed to do anything other than mess you over?)
Loving Heart "Double Spark"
Spacesphere "Earth in a Pot"
(Eirin's third nonspell. Those are solid walls, seriously.)
Mind of God "Omoikane's Brain"
*entire Kaguya fight goes here*
Hollow Giant "Woo"
Hourai "Fujiyama Volcano"
"Imperishable Shooting"
"Ancient Duper"
"Paschal Moon-Reflecting Satellite Slash"
"Profound Danmaku Bounded Field -Phantasm, Foam, and Shadow" (oh yes I did)
StB:
5-4 Water & Fire Sign "Phlogistic Rain"
7-1 (Sakuya's nonspell)
7-2 Devil Sign "World in Nightmare"
8-7 Superman "Soaring En no Ozuno"
9-1 (Eirin's nonspell)
10-2 Lie "Tongue of Wolf"
EX-1 Taboo "Forbidden Fruit"
EX-2 Taboo "Forbidden Games"
MoF:
Leaf Sign "Falling Leaves of Madness"
Wound Sign "Exiled Doll"
Drown "Trauma in the Glimmering Depths"
Cork Sign "Terukuni Throughout the World"
Sacrifice Sign "Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual"
Heaven's Dragon "Source of Rains"
*entire Suwako fight goes here*
SA:
Tongue-Cut Sparrow "Large Box and Small Box"
Four Devas Arcanum "Knock Out In Three Steps"
Recollection "Double Black Death Butterfly"
Recollection "Deep Mist Labyrinth"
Recollection "Return Inanimateness"
Recollection "Philosopher's Stone"
Recollection "Trauma in the Glimmering Depths"
Cursed Sprite "Vengeful Spirit: Possessed Fairy"
"Small Demon's Revival"
Youkai "Blazing Wheel"
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This is going to be a really really long list. I also broke the rules and included some nonspells and stage portions too, because some of them simply deserve to be mentioned.
EoSD
-Hailstorm (I?m really bad at this card and have no idea why. That makes me angry)
-Bury in Lake (I love cards where random boss movement determines whether you?ll live or die)
-Illusional Misdirection (see Hailstorm)
-TEH BOOKZ
-Emerald Megalith (a shame, because when this thing?s not being bullshitty, it?s actually quite fun)
-Killing Doll (same as Emerald Megalith)
-Remi?s opener (Yay fucked up hitboxes)
-Vampire Illusion/Scarlet Gensokyo (solid walls are not fun to dodge)
-And Then Will There Be None? (I'm not too fond of EX survival cards in general)
PCB
-Phoenix Spread Wings (I have been walled by this thing many times, yet no one ever seems to have a problem with it but me. I don?t get it?)
-Crusading Cherub?s Rampage (I clip this thing constantly, amusingly enough)
-Lunasa?s second nonspell
-Asura Sword
-Stage 6 fairy rapewall (Though it feels really cool when you actually manage to get it)
-Ageless Obsession (Are you a bad enough dude to sit still for twelve seconds?)
-Yuyuko?s second/fourth nonspells (these just get tedious after you?ve fought them a million times)
-Border of Humans and Youkai
-Danmaku Bounded Field (and the even worse Last Word version)
IN (This game jumps sporadically from amazing to insufferable trash-often within the same stage!)
-Mystia?s second nonspell (luck-garbage, even with the Ghost Team)
-Keine?s nonspells (see Hailstorm)
-Legend of Gensokyo (it loses its sting once you memorize it, but it?s still annoying)
-Fantasy Seal Blink (I don?t know if this thing has a pattern, and I don?t care enough to investigate)
-Marisa?s second nonspell (THE EMBODIMENT OF CLIPDEATH)
-Shoot the Moon (why do I suck at this spell so much)
-Tele-mesmerism (Though this one?s not that bad. Reisen?s just so inoffensively uninteresting)
-Game of Rising (Blegh, I hate cards that derive their difficulty from visual trickery)
-Eirin?s bubble nonspell (what the fuck is this shit?)
-Hourai Elixer (a card that forces you to sit through over a minute of boring trivial crap to get to the actual difficult part. And the actual difficult part turns out to be almost just as annoying.)
-Hourai Jewel (There are simply no words. By far the worst attack in all of Touhou)
-Honest Man?s Death/Xu Fu?s Dimension (Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap.)
-Pheonix Tail (Animated bullets don't usually bother me, but this one's just painful to look at)
-Imperishable Shooting (Not as bad as I remember it being, but still annoying)
-Every Last Word that isn?t Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana or Blazing Star. Most pointless gimmick ever.
MoF (Ick. It would be easier to ask what I do like)
-Minoriko?s last card
-Hina?s last two spells
-Nitori?s Midboss Spell
-Momiji. Just? Momiji.
-Everything Aya throws at you except for her opener and Storm Day (opener is only fun if you try to time it out though)
-Peerless Rape God (it had to be mentioned twice :p)
-Overly Bright Guest Stars or whatever it?s called (Once again, Sanae's other attacks are just inoffensively boring)
-Kanako?s first card (Tap. Tap. Slightly bigger tap. Tap. Tap.)
-Kanako?s second card (Tap. Tap. Tap. Ta-OH WHAT HOW DID THAT HIT ME)
-Kanako?s final nonspell (This and Source of Rains are tied for the 2nd most annoying streaming attack ever. The reason they?re second is because, miraculously, Hourai Jewel is even worse)
-Source of Rains (This card's only saving grace is that it drops 3.00 power upon dying, which means I can unhesitatingly doublebomb it to kingdom come)
-Suwa War (See Hourai Elixer. I don't really like any of the cards in this stage to be perfectly honest.
I have way too much free time. Typing all that out was quite emotionally draining, so I?ll do SA some other time.:V
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Oh yeah, almost forgot.
UFO:
- Defense Sign "Pendulum Guard" (Stage 1)
- Large Ring "Hello Forgotten World" (Stage 2)
- Umbrella Sign "Parasol Star Memories" (Stage 2)
- Monster Train "Spare Umbrella Express Night Carnival" (Stage 2) [WORST CARD IN ALL OF TOUHOU. PERIOD.]
- Barrage "King Kraken Strike" (Stage 3)
- Annihilation "Consecutive Hooks throughout Heaven and Earth" (Stage 3)
- Rage "First and Last of Its Kind Scolding Scorch" (Stage 3)
In fact, the only spell cards from UFO I didn't list are the first two stage 1 cards and the first stage 3 card.
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There actually are very few spellcards which I outright hate at Lunatic level, the majority that I dislike are due to finding them boring rather than outright hateful. That being said, here is the list:
EoSD
- Bury in Lake (how fun...Azinth basically described why it's terrible)
- Sylphae Horn High Level (HOW DID ZUN THINK THIS IS DODGEABLE IT IS ALMOST AS BAD AS SCARLET MEISTER)
- Killing Doll Max Rank
- Vampire Illusion
- Royal Flare
- Maze of Love (hooray clipdeath)
PCB
- Crusading Cherub's Rampage, just for the yay clipdeath factor
- Alice's boss opener
- TRASH COMPACTORS aka Asura Sword
- The stage 6 rapewall (and no it doesn't feel really cool to survive it, it just feels like you managed to somehow luck out this one time)
- GOAST KNIVES
- Yuyuko's second and fourth nonspells, plus Repository of Hirokawa, due to TediumFactor(TM)
- The entire stage portion of Extra and Phantasm. The whole thing. Including the midboss, with the hateful InvisiOpener(TM) (seriously, the colour differential between the mesh and the background is so small that half the time I can hardly see it at all for the most part), the hateful ROBO/Zenki&Goki and the trivial Flight cards.
- Kokkuri-san's Contract, BoHaY, Danmaku Bounded Field
- For that matter, most of Extra and Phantasm can go die in a fire in this game.
IN
- GHQ Crisis (Yay micromemorization trash)
- Legend of Gensokyo (Yay more micromemorization trash WITHIN THE SAME BOSSFIGHT)
- Marisa's second noncard (THE EMBODIMENT OF CLIPDEATH, basically)
- Double Spark (dear god why am I so horrible at this spellcard I mean seriously what the heck)
- Invisible Full Moon (Just repeat the same trivial vertical movement until dead)
- Tele-mesmerism (Luckgarbage)
- Eirin's Bubble Nonspell
- Omoikane's Brain
- Hourai Elixir, if only for the fact that the first minute of it is completely boring trivial shit that one must sit through to get to the interesting parts.
- Most of the Kaguya fight, including Buddhist Diamond, Salamander's Shield and Life Spring Infinity
- HOURAI JEWEL. WORST ATTACK IN THE SERIES.
- Kaguya's second Last Spell
- Amazingly enough, nothing in Extra. IN Extra is very well-done.
- Most Last Words. Only ones I like are Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana, Fantasy Seal -Blink- (yes, I am insane, I know) and Total Purification.
MoF
- Minoriko's final spellcard, with HARVESTER LAZORZ
- Hina's final two spellcards
- Everything Nitori throws at you except for Optical Camouflage (midboss spellcard) and Kappa's Great Illusionary Waterfall (second boss spellcard)
- MOMIZI. Full stop.
- Aya's first spellcard, whatever it's called.
- Peerless Wind God, aka Aya's Survival Horror spellcard.
- Secretly Inherited Art of Danmaku and Takeminakata Invocation (I really, really, REALLY hate clusterfuck-worthy levels of micrododging very slow, VERY dense bullets)
- Kanako's second spellcard, for the horrid SURPRISE CLIPDEATH! factor
- Kanako's fourth noncard, for being so painfully boring.
- SOURCE OF RAINS. SECOND-WORST SPELLCARD IN THE SERIES.
- Pretty much everything in Extra, really.
SA
- Yamame's opener. Christ. This is GARBAGE.
- Midboss Parsee, which is redeemed only by the fact that it's the one card I can bomb to death in SA with no power penalty as Midboss Parsee drops 1.xx power upon death.
- Yugi's first spellcard, for being...completely and utterly trivial and yet STILL occasionally managing to kill me due to getting trapped between one of the curvy bullet arcs and the bottom of the screen when trying to catch the star dropped by Yugi after her opener.
- Yugi's final spellcard, for SPAWNING BULLETS ON TOP OF ME MULTIPLE TIMES SO FAR.
- Stage 4 midboss CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Catwalk
- Zombie Fairy
- The infinite streaming section before midboss Orin in stage 6. Seriously, what the fuck was ZUN drinking when he designed this. It takes bloody forever and is probably the most boring section in all of Touhou, really. Just tap and warp endlessly until dead. Even without gapping it's STILL trivial, the stream switches required are some of the easiest in the series.
- Hell's Tokamak. JESUS. I hate this card SO MUCH. THIRD WORST CARD IN THE SERIES. Also gets bonus hate points for being so bright that it is actually slightly blinding and I have to turn down my display brightness to absolute minimum in order to be able to dodge properly during it.
- All of Extra. All of it. Worst Extra in the series.
And yeah, that's it. Also, Azinth, you can 1-bomb away Source of Rains by streaming UP from your inital position while firing and then bombing while nearly over Kanako. Kefit does it in one of his videos, just check it out there for an example.
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Why does everybody think Hell's Tokamak is so hard? This attack runs at 60 FPS for me these days (it used to be 50 FPS), and I can take it in the center no problem.
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Why does everybody think Hell's Tokamak is so hard? This attack runs at 60 FPS for me these days (it used to be 50 FPS), and I can take it in the center no problem.
This.
Hell's Tokamak is fun!
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Why does everybody think Hell's Tokamak is so hard?
It's... not. Outside the squinty factor.
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I wonder: Is the problem more that your monitors are too bright? There are two areas in all of Touhou where I can blame deaths on the fact that I can't see them, and those are MS stage 2 (stars flying by in the background + pellet bullets that look just like them = augh) and MS stage 4 (white pellets on the background is worse than the blue bullets believe it or not).
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I wonder: Is the problem more that your monitors are too bright? There are two areas in all of Touhou where I can blame deaths on the fact that I can't see them, and those are MS stage 2 (stars flying by in the background + pellet bullets that look just like them = augh) and MS stage 4 (white pellets on the background is worse than the blue bullets believe it or not).
The part of MS I've always had trouble with visually is the second half of stage 5. This is because of a.) The blue bullets that blend in really well with the blue background (way more than in stage 4 imo) and b.) The round red bullets look way too much like powerups, which often has me dodging point items and collecting bullets. There's something about those two distractions together that simply rapes my eyes. I always count on at least three bombs going off during that section just because I'm so afraid of randomly dying to something I can't see.
And yeah, that's it. Also, Azinth, you can 1-bomb away Source of Rains by streaming UP from your inital position while firing and then bombing while nearly over Kanako. Kefit does it in one of his videos, just check it out there for an example.
I see. The most important thing is that I get to VoWG with 4 power or more, so it's usually not that big a deal, but this will make that easier.
SA (Just like IN, I sort of have a love-hate relationship with this game)
-Yamame's Opener (I'm starting to think that this actually can be captured consistently... but it's still really disproportionately difficult for a stage 1 boss attack)
-Tongue-Cut Sparrow (This takes way too damn long, which would be ok if it weren't just boring streaming)
-Stage 3 Laser Mesh (This thing is ten times harder than anything Yuugi throws at you. I think I've captured it twice)
-Shackles (What is the point of this card's existance?)
-Knock-out in Three Steps (Trivial, except when it randomly clips/walls you. Yuugi in general is sort of a meh fight...in fact, the first half of SA in general is pretty underwhelming... luckily the second half makes up for it)
-Double Black Death Butterfly (It's not a bad card, but I'm just so embarassingly bad at it [which inspired some rather childish whining on my part a while back]. I usually expect to die within the first 7 seconds of this card)
-Catwalk (how do I dodged bullet?)
-Possessed Fairy (Like DBDB, it's not a bad attack, but I'm shamefully sucky at it)
-Blazing Wheel (What is this rhythm game doing in my Touhou?)
-Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction (The pattern is pretty fun... but every time this thing kills me I have no idea exactly why I died. And that can be really fucking annoying)
-Ten Evil Stars (Donut is right. You really can't keep yourself from using the safespot once you know it's there. How sad)
-Hell's Tokamak (I've never had trouble with seeing the bullets, but it's still kinda tedious and has an obnoxiously long healthbar.)
-I haven't played SA's extra in a while, so I'm not really in a position to judge it
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-Yamame's Opener (I'm starting to think that this actually can be captured consistently... but it's still really disproportionately difficult for a stage 1 boss attack)
So it IS hard. I don't completely suck at SA then. Sure, I never managed to reach stage 4 in any game on Lunatic, but I usually don't have much trouble against any stage 1 boss. Except Minoriko.
As for myself, it's Sea Opening ~ Moses Miracle. I suck at it, I can't understand how it works, and there's probably an easy way to deal with it that will make me hate it even more. Clipdeaths everywhere, and I don't know whether the knives are aimed at you or not, she just seems to throw them all over the place.
The only other one I can think of that pisses me off, though much less than Sea Opening, is Kanako's 3rd (or 4th?) spellcard on Easy/Normal, the one with the red knives and the big round bullets.
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There aren't many cards that come to mind, but here's the ones that do.
Seven Stones and Seven Trees, a.k.a. Jellybean Death (MoF) - It's very simple but the amount of times I die because i don't remember the "jellybeans" hitbox is as big as they are has gotten ridiculous as of late.
Divine Virtue - Bumper Rice Crop (SA) - There's only a few cards in the series I label as being complete BS. This is one of them. The random spreads are mind-numbingly dense and make me want to scream. I've only captured it a handful of times, and the fact that I have to watch *the entire screen* is both irritating and unnecessary for an extra midboss.
Peerless Wind God (MoF) - No need to say anything.
Charming Siege From All Sides (PCB) - One of the few attacks that makes me genuinely angry at times. It can either be one of the easiest attacks in the stage or an absolute, wall-based nightmare.
The Entirity of Stage 6B - Imperishable Night - I'll be honest, I'm bad at it, but this still remains my least favourite part of any game in the series. Eirin's fight is OK. Dragon Bullet is BS. Diamond can randomly trap you just as you're about to win. Salamander Shield is wtf. LSI is ridiculous on Hard and looks impossible on Lunatic. And as for Hourai Jewel... no comment. Just, no comment.
And finally:
Scarlet Sign: Scarlet Shoot (EoSD) - WHY ARE YOU SO FREAKING DIFFICULT FOR A NORMAL DIFFICULTY SPELLCARD!? GAHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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Sanae's third Extra card isn't BS, although I won't claim it's easy.
The spray gets more dense toward the bottom of the screen, so try to dodge closer to Sanae as long as you can.
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EOSD:
Perfect Freeze: I somehow manage to clip the last bullets she fires, ALL THE TIME.
Flower Dream Vine: Took me AGES to get this.
Metal Fatigue: GODDAMNIT METAL FATIGUE BULLETS WHAT THE HELL KIND OF HITBOX IS THAT
Scarlet Meister: Stupid deserved reputation.
Maze of Love: Me and everyone else.
PCB:
Table Turning: Sure, I can get it easily now, but old hatreds are hard to let go.
Kimontonkou: I...don't actually have to say anything here.
Benevolent Orleans Dolls: Too damn many.
Hino Phantasm: I still find it harder than Clifford Ghost, Hard or Lunatic.
Ten Kings' Retribution: ARRRGH
God's Flashing Slash: ARRRRRGGHH
Deadly Dance: GodDAMNit do I suck at this
Princess Tenko: .........
IN:
Poisonous Moth's Scales: Oh, come ON.
Ill-Starred Dive: I'm terrible at this one.
General Headquarters Crisis: The awesome name almost redeems the card. Almost.
Fantasy Seal -anything-: Arrrrgh.
Event Horizon: Utterly horrible at this.
Mind Stopper: Reisen's only difficult card for me, and not even that bad, but...
Game of Rising: Bleh.
Omiokane's Brain: Stupid.
Apollo 13: OK SERIOUSLY WTF
Astronomical LOLtombing: Come on, seriously? This is almost as bad as Wizard Fox Thoughts.
Dragon's Necklace: So WHY did this take me around 40 times as many tries as Brilliant Dragon Bullet, again?
Salamander Shield: Another one I'm just poor at.
Life Spring Infinity: Blargle.
Hourai Jewel: AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGHHHH
Ikahasa's Moon Curse: Dear LORD I am bad at this card.
MoF:
Falling Leaves of Madness: GODDAMNIT GODDAMNIT GODDAAAAAMMNNIIIIIIT
Promise of the Wheat God: Insta-lasers can go #$^@ themselves.
Broken Charm of Protection: Why can't I get this one anymore?
Hydro Camouflage: Ouch.
Trauma in the Glimmering Depths: I should just memorize this already.
Storm Day: FRGNRAGN
Peerless BS God: Kefit's video says it way better than I could.
Terukuni Throughout the Word: Why do I suck at you?
Night with Overly Bright Guest Stars: MoF Lasers Suck.
Unremembered Crop: The Hard version. It SUCKS.
Source of Rains: LOL CLIPDEATH
Jade of the Horrid River: Oh, it's horrid all right.
Seven Stones and Seven Trees: Goddamnit MoF Lasers.
SA:
Unexplained Fever: Screw you.
Wind Blowing Down from Mt. Ooe: Shouldn't be as bad as it is...
Double Black Death Butterfly: AAAARRRGGH
Catwalk: RIN!!
Ghost Wheels: RIIIIN!!!
Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction: BLARG.
Bumper Crop Rice Shower: FREAKIN' SON OF A
Superego: Why am I SO BAD at this?!
Rorschach in Danmaku: Walled...
Genetics of the Subconscious: AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHH
UFO:
High Sensitivity Nazrin Pendulum: The Hard version. Hatred.
Hello Forgotten World: OH LOOK IT'S A WALL HA HA HA
Super-Water Repelling Bone-Dry Monster: Oh come ON! Eternal Meek at least had the decency to be a Stage 6 card!
King Kraken Strike: BROFISTS!
Consecutive Hooks throughout Heaven and Earth: UNRELENTING BROFISTS!
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Shoot the Bullet 9-6: New Impossible Request "Seamless Ceiling of Kinkaku-ji"
No other spell cards come close to the amount of pain this one put me through.
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Astronomical LOLtombing: Come on, seriously? This is almost as bad as Wizard Fox Thoughts.
Am I missing some immense trick that makes Astronomical Entombing as easy as Wizard Fox Thoughts?
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Mountain of Faith
The whole Kanako fight is a lot of a drag to me. I always feel her attacks are boring (Well, torus is nice. and rains, but that's h4x) or just cheesy and generally crap although hard to dodge. But when I reach MoF... it's like I just get instantly demoralised and find myself facing a card that's hard, NEVER FUCKING ENDS and that I'd just rather be doing bloody anything else. And then, of course, I die.
I really don't like Misayama hunting card, and rains isn't very fun.
Mountain of faith normal is a really fun spell card. MOF easy is X_X
Wizard fox thoughts is just streaming. Astronomical Entombing is much harder.
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Yeah, Astronomical Entombing is far from trivial unless you use the magic team, in which case the whole thing becomes lol.
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I tried Entombing I think with every team and found it to be really easy with all humans. But if you're soloing a youkai, then YES mate, prepare to spam those bombs and cry.
And if Misayama Hunting is that one where Kanako goes " Hai guise, look at me! I'm sakuya! lolz!"... then YEAH. It was NOT funny the first time, it is NOT funny now ??
(funny thing. Sakuya is S5 and yet the original is still WAY harder than the S6 copy (at least on Normal/Normal))
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I tried Entombing I think with every team and found it to be really easy with all humans. But if you're soloing a youkai, then YES mate, prepare to spam those bombs and cry.
And if Misayama Hunting is that one where Kanako goes " Hai guise, look at me! I'm sakuya! lolz!"... then YEAH. It was NOT funny the first time, it is NOT funny now ??
(funny thing. Sakuya is S5 and yet the original is still WAY harder than the S6 copy (at least on Normal/Normal))
It's like *shoots white balls* *throws lots of knives that somehow manage to get ahead of reimu* Looks at post above XD
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Yeah, Astronomical Entombing is far from trivial unless you use the magic team, in which case the whole thing becomes lol.
Anything that isn't a solo youkai is easy, even on Lunatic. Even Sakuya. I don't know what ZUN was thinking.
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But the thing is that if you want to end the card in the next year or so you need to use the youkai side. Combine that with Reimu who's major disadvantage is familiar destroying and ugh. Eirin's whole fight is ugh.
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But the thing is that if you want to end the card in the next year or so you need to use the youkai side. Combine that with Reimu who's major disadvantage is familiar destroying and ugh. Eirin's whole fight is ugh.
Note how 5 of Eirin's cards are on my list. :P And I did it on my first try, even with the border team. It's just so depressingly pathetic that it's...well, ugh.
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You could always, y'know, not destroy the familiars. Seeing as how Astronomical Entombing is the most fun and well-designed card in all of 6A (which is saying a lot, since it's pretty much just random spam), I don't know why you'd want to. Unless you're one of those strange people who actually does 1cc runs with the 6A route.
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I did a Final A 1cc once just so I could say I did. A real shame, because I entered the stage with 5 lives in stock and threw it away on that pathetic fight (still cleared with 2 lives).
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Am I, like, the only person who likes Eirin better than Kaguya?
Sure, Eirin's second and third nonspells are retarded and so is Omoikane, but so are Kaguya's second noncard and... basically all of her spell cards.
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Honestly, Having to face Eirin > Impossible LOLquests.
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I find Kaguya enjoyable to fight. The only attack of hers I don't like is Salamander Shield.
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Eirin's just...meh. Of all 6A, I find Apollo 13 and Astronomical Entombing to be the most enjoyable (Yes, I actually like Apollo 13 for some strange reason). Other than those, her attacks are mostly either lame visual tricks or simply easy. And Hourai Elixer is just... stupid. Kaguya, on the other hand, has a mediocre theme song and the worst attack in the entire series, which I admit can be difficult to take, but aside from those I find her much more enjoyable.
Of course, that's all just my opinion.
Furthermore, I keep hearing a lot of people say that Kaguya's boss fight is BS/luckgarbage, and I've no idea where they're getting that from. I mean, her attacks are definitely really hard, but none of it ever seemed as unfair as, say, half of what Remilia throws at you. imo, The only luck-based stuff she really has are Buddhist Daimond and the last wave of Rising World, and even those usually have an opening if you look hard enough (well, usually >.>).
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I find Kaguya enjoyable to fight. The only attack of hers I don't like is Salamander Shield.
Hourai Jewel FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I'm not a fan of Life Spring Infinity, mostly because I suck at thinking backwards, and Salamander Shield just wrecks me, but Hourai Jewel...I just CAN'T GET THE TIMING DOWN. Bloody enraging card.
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I have a new hate: Kogasa's "Parasol Star Memories", fuck this card, I clip death worst on this card than Hina's mid-boss spell.
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I actually like Eirin's attacks, minus the hideously bad ones mentioned earlier. Astronomical Entombing is entirely possible (more so than Scarlet Gensokyo) without a human. Game of Rising is just an awesome attack to watch.
Kaguya has... a Sakuya-like opener, bright lasers on a white background tightly spaced with random bullets falling into the cracks, ridiculously dense random bullets, luckgarbage, a decent nonspell, a formulaic but legitimate spell card, a rather annoying noncard with too much HP, Swallow's Cowrie Shell in its awkwardness, and Hourai Jewel in its... well, you know.
Remilia only randomly walls you in with Vampire Illusion and Scarlet Gensokyo. Kaguya randomly walls you in with every attack up to her third noncard.
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Pretty much Kaguya is the worst boss in all of ever.
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I have no idea why, but it really annoys me at how Release of the Id I have little trouble with, but Superego I die every time (despite the fact that it's really Id BACKWARDS).
Oh, and Double Death Black Butterfly can go to hell, as well as all of Kanako's spellcards.
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The only luck-based stuff she really has are Buddhist Daimond and the last wave of Rising World, and even those usually have an opening if you look hard enough (well, usually >.>).
Wait, so you think Rising World is luck-based (it...isn't) and you think Life Spring Infinity isn't (jesus I swear that thing is 99% luck)? That doesn't make any sense at all I mean what.
Other than that, glad to finally see *someone* else who thinks that Apollo 13 is a lot of fun. It used to be my favourite spellcard for a bit, and still is one of my favourites.
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Remilia only randomly walls you in with Vampire Illusion and Scarlet Gensokyo. Kaguya randomly walls you in with every attack up to her third noncard.
You forgot Young Demon Lord at Max Rank and Scarlet Meister (though the latter's less about walling and more about Remi randomly moving off to the far reaches of the screen where you can't damage her). And of course there's also Midboss Sakuya and all the hilarity that she brings. btw, Kaguya's second nonspell is pseudo-aimed at you initially and can be misdirected. Good thing too, since otherwise it actually is quite BS.
Wait, so you think Rising World is luck-based (it...isn't) and you think Life Spring Infinity isn't (jesus I swear that thing is 99% luck)? That doesn't make any sense at all I mean what.
Well, not so much luck-based as just really random in its difficulty. Sometimes I barely get anything thrown at me, while other times I have to pull the most ridiculous stunts ever to survive. Maybe I'll think differently when my skill improves some more.
And for LSI, it became quite doable once I realized two things: That Kaguya's movements depend on your position relative to her (thanks to Baity for that helpful tip), and that the lasers are lethal for a far shorter amount of time than their animations would suggest (visual trickery of a different type, I suppose :P). After that, it's just a matter of dodging the stars, then ducking down under Kaguya and between the lasers to avoid the halo-ish shot. In fact, I'd actually go as far as saying that it's her second easiest (non last spell) spellcard, though still way harder than Salamander Shield.
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Yeah, honestly. Kaguya's fight in highly misunderstood. The only attack I agree will occasionally BS wall you is her second non-spell. I've fought this fight over 50 times (nowhere near my 250+ fights against Remilia >.>), and I understand most of her attacks.
Her opener has a far less tendency to wall you than Sakuya's opener. It is very rare that you are ever walled off with no prior chance to escape, and I find attacks that force you to quickly find an opening before it's closed off to be fun.
Brilliant Dragon Bullet isn't BS and anyone who says so is just butthurt at its difficulty. While I'd prefer the lasers to give you a bit more time to react, the card is pretty much just bullet reading while dodging high speed lasers.
As people have said, her second non-spell occasionally BS walls you, but let's face it: Most final bosses have at least one attack that can BS wall you. If nothing else, one Reimu death bomb completely ruins the attack by destroying the familiars.
Buddhist Diamond is just claustophobic dodging. I can't say it's the fairest attack in Touhou, but even when you're caught in a vertical shaft, the lasers have a smaller hitbox than you'd think.
Nothing wrong with her third non-spell, really.
Salamander Shield is the only spell card I dislike in this fight. It's just mostly simple streaming most of the time, but switching directions is really annoying. The fact that most people call this her easiest spell card makes me feel like I'm missing some trivial timing thing, which if it's the case, proves further that her fight is perfectly okay.
Her fourth non-spell is pretty easy, but in terms of atmosphere it's the best part of the fight. I always try to time the fight (not in an actual run of course) to have the climax of the song before the loop occur within a few seconds of the attack starting...my pathetic and cheesy love of how the music synchs with the battle aside, there's nothing wrong with this easy non-spell.
Life Spring Infinity...people need to stop >:U ing this spell card. Like Azinth and Baity say, it's always possible to survive. I'm not sure exactly how to manipulate Kaguya's movements, but even without that I die to this attack all the time because I suck at reading the lasers and the stars, as well as getting through the stars safely, and not because Kaguya traps me. Honestly, blaming Kaguya by being in the way of the red bullets is like blaming Suwako for you going the wrong direction in Party Start.
...WTF is with the Hourai Jewel hate? Seriously, what? I don't get it. Do you not like how a final spell card is micromemorizable? Do you not know the timing to change directions safely? Do you dislike the tight dodging you get late in the attack (if you use the same rhythm as me)? What? It's true I used to revile this attack, but it was because back then my computer was in slowdown hell, back when my computer dipped to 20 FPS for a quarter of a second at random intervals, making timing impossible. These days I don't have many gripes with Hourai Jewel beyond its nonexistent margin of error, and even then, it's a final spell card, it's SUPPOSED to be hard.
As for the last spells, I never take those into account with difficulty of a boss fight because they're bonus attacks. As long as I don't completely fuck them all up and make it to Rising World (if I don't, I don't get the epic explosion tm) I'm happy, though I'll say Rising World is either low tier hardest spell card in the series or just below hardest spell card in the series tier.
tl;dr: Stop bullying Kaguya. >:(
In other news, isn't it ironic? Most people talk about Kaguya being the weakest final boss in the series. On higher levels of play we're arguing about her being the hardest in terms of a no bombs run. :P
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Salamander Shield
See description (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4049).
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LSI
~40 attempts to time it out twice in a row.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfeMNQhUelg
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Do you not like how a final spell card is micromemorizable?
Um, yes. Are you seriously asking this question?
Do you not know the timing to change directions safely?
Even if you know this, it's still very very precise, and a tiny mistake can kill you before you even realise it.
Do you dislike the tight dodging you get late in the attack (if you use the same rhythm as me)?
Never been a fan of claustrophobic slow bullets ever, personally, so no.
It's a final spell card, it's SUPPOSED to be hard.
This is a good place to put my complaints:
VoWG is a hard spellcard. A hard and very good spellcard, one which I will play through stage 6 hundreds of times to go against. Scarlet Gensokyo is a hard spellcard, one which is the perfect finisher to one of the most difficult stages in the series.
What do attacks such as these have in common? They're legitimately difficult, and they're fun. Both of them require fantastic reflexes combined with exceptional pattern-reading skill, and that's what they do - they test skill - someone being able to cap attacks like these is someone who truly is good at these games.
Hourai Jewel on the other hand is difficult because it requires you to memorize a bunch of things. Once you do that it is trivial barring timing errors (which basically fuck you over, see above). Its difficulty comes from the fact that it doesn't test skill, it tests whether or not you've played against it for 400+ times in spell practise before finally capping the blasted thing. Finally, it's boring as shit. With VoWG, you have screen movement, realtime pattern reading, reaction! With Hourai Jewel it's just a matter of timing some simple movements right and repeating them. Ad infinitum, until dead. It's just as boring if not more boring than Source of Rains, another terrible spellcard. And that is why it sucks horribly.
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Anything is on Hard/Extra or Phantasm unless otherwise stated. In some cases the name gives away the difficulty in which case there is no reason to mention it as it would seem weird to write Kimontonkou (on Lunatic) as its called something different on lower difficulties.
EoSD:
-Maid Secret Skill "Killing Doll" - Rank decides if you win or die.
-Secret Barrage "And Then Will There Be None?" - I hate the red trap.
PCB:
-Direction Sign "Kimontonkou": I get hit by an arrowhead i don't see coming. That's annoying.
-Gaki Sword "Storybook of the Gaki Realm" I hate how the bullets move so slow here. It messes me up big time. I don't like how the bullets gets all white either.
-Hell Flame Sword "Flashing Slash Formation as Karma Gust". I can't even begin to explain in how many ways this spell is terrible.
-Asura Sword "Obsession with the Present World" I hate this epll too. Its just so stupid.
-Subtle Melody "Repository of Hirokawa -Phantom-" This is just terrible
-Shikigami's Shot "Unilateral Contact"
-Shikigami "Chen"
-Sinister Spirits "Double Black Death Butterfly
-Shikigami "Ran Yakumo"
-Yukari's Arcanum "Danmaku Bounded Field"
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Am I, like, the only person who likes Eirin better than Kaguya?
Sure, Eirin's second and third nonspells are retarded and so is Omoikane, but so are Kaguya's second noncard and... basically all of her spell cards.
eirin's cards are actually doable to an extent
kaguya's cards are all pure bs