I refuse. Nope. That's it. I'm done. I am not doing this. This is a travesty to my roleplaying character.nope
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg404/scaled.php?server=404&filename=87500299.jpg&res=landing)
This is a travesty to my roleplaying character(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2303/vanity2x.jpg)
##VOTE: ShadowehHey Bard. Hey, hey Bard.
Shadoweh D1 quicklynch block.
And I just noticed that IHNN claimed hated miller. That is beautiful.Well, it's not technically hated. If I'm voting myself L-1 won't lynch me. I'm sorely tempted to just continually vote myself to save myself from people "oh I didn't notice" accidental quickhammering.
Serela being in the game is a detriment to it's very existance!Serela is just bad at LyLo. He's solid outside of that though. (Serela, no voting anyone in LyLo unless you're hammering the person you think is scum)
(Serela, no voting anyone in LyLo unless you're hammering the person you think is scum)pft you act like I would have voted anyone outside of yuyuko in that game
Of course I realize! But I'm not going to just like, not respond or something :V
It wasn't just you that was directed at but also IHNN who seemed to take it as me actually attacking you.I did not take it as such.
im not to keen on voting the miller, im also not thinking he would make an gambit as scum like that
##UnvoteI don't know how to get the game rolling, so I comment on what I can comment on to try to.
##Vote: Nameless
Useless noise. Raikaria too. Talk about game theory but no initiative-taking is scummy, scum like the game staying as it is.
think Nameless experienced enough to know not to throw stuff in about Serela and then lean back without reaching any conclusions.glad you think I'm experienced enough but this scenario hasn't exactly come up in any of the games I've played nor have I known enough about the other players to try to make meta-calls until now.
May I point out on both my own and IHNN's defenses, that talking about game theory is one way to start the game moving without just randomly pointing fingers shouting 'OMG he/she/it is scum!' and seeing how they react. It's far less stalling the game than what every single post prior to ours was.
And honestly, do you expect us to draw any reasonable conclusions in RVS? Even then, we came to the conclusion of giving Serela the advice of 'Don't rush vote on LYLO', which is more than the rest of the thread has accomplished.
I'll also add that scum do not like putting themselves out in the limelight on D1. Yet what have me and IHNN done by having this Serela discussion, and, indeed, you have done by throwing this accusation about stalling the game?
I actually think because you stand out and are actually attempting to get the game moving by throwing accusations at me and IHNN for our play thus far, it's a honest towntell. I just attempted to do so in civilized discussion, giving advice to Serela, to make the RVS period more productive than simply pointing fingers.
From my limited experience, in MoTK mafia at least, those who sit back and do little are more often scum than those who take the reigns and stand out, and attempt to get something done... no matter how dumb it is.
And, seeing as I'm always accused of being defensive scum, anyone under pressure will defend themselves. Town or Scum. Just before that tired old accusation comes my way again.
##Vote: Bardiche
No Adorable Mafia play critiques? Clearly we can't count on you.
On a serious note, I rolled miller.
Who self-hammers if at L-1. I believe this is the sort of thing one claims in their first post.
Hey Bard. Hey, hey Bard.
I'm looking for a master, a husband for me~
Someone to serve for eternity~
A Master who will wuv me and treat me so troo~
Now who will be my husbando, oh will it be yooooou~
I'll also add that scum do not like putting themselves out in the limelight on D1. Yet what have me and IHNN done by having this Serela discussion, and, indeed, you have done by throwing this accusation about stalling the game?
I'm sus because of flavor reasons in my own pm. Px might just be a bastard.If you need flavor I can provide that. I thought the latter statement was already proven true :V
>Scum wouldn't do thisI read it as:
>We did this
>Ergo, we aren't Scum
I seriously hope you're not playing this card. What makes you think this isn't scummy?
Oh dear. My first post in thegay barmafia thread. Alright, let me get my marbles together here.
The very start appears to be completely random until someone messes up his/her logic. Ah-ha.
Well, why not, ##Vote Shadoweh for that pony picture. Seriously.
If you need flavor I can provide that. I thought the latter statement was already proven true :V
Sure if you whip out yours, I'll whip out mine!I'm playing PX, town [expletive] retarded [expletive]*. My ID was stolen so no one can tell I'm town and I'll screw the game and self-hammer when put to L-1.
>Scum wouldn't do this
>We did this
>Ergo, we aren't Scum
I seriously hope you're not playing this card. What makes you think this isn't scummy?
why did you not either ask what a miller is or otherwise comment on the claim at all?is this directed at me?
However, if you inverse it, I say that I think you are town for the same reason. If you apply that logic to that argument, we get the conclusion that you are scum as well.
What are your thoughts on the rest of Raikaria's post?
Could you explain your intentions with that post, please?oh right, Hero999 posted. I didn't remember. That's never good.
"I'm fairly sure I want Raikaria dead today" rofl did you really just say that about the tryhard newbiesums up my initial thoughts on that post.
That said, I'll support a Raikaria lynch if the battery gets pretty low and no one else nominates a preferable lynch candidate, but I'd prefer letting him live.This line is pretty terrible just fyi
As for Bard this kind of logicstaredown isn't uncommon for MotK mafia so I don't find him scummy either, and despite me not wanting to resort to lynching any newbies D1, unless Raikaria looks like town, Bard starts acting scummy or another lynch candidate appears I'd still prefer a Raikaria lynch over a Bard one.logicstaredown. really. Though it comes up often enough, it's completely null as both town and scum can use logic. IMO what matters is how it's used and to what ends. The way you've phrased this it looks like you think Bard is town. Do you have any other reasons for finding Bard town other than use of logic?
is this directed at me?
Eh, I don't find Bard's aggressiveness on the newbies to be scummy just yet; maybe if he keeps it up the entire day. Personally leaning town on Raikaria. Serela/IHNN can be town too.Im not sure i quite like this... Youre expecting a certain response from someone who has never played the game before?
I like where my vote is for now. I feel like SirChaotick would have made a more overt response to my provocative opener as newbtown.
You're right about Sir Chaotick looking suspicious but I'm willing to chalk it up to not knowing the significance of a claim. For now.
How is that relevant to the time?
##Vote: SirChaotickActionDan's post in which he votes Chaotick, which came 2 hours after he'd left. No one else had mentioned him before then.
why did you not either ask what a miller is or otherwise comment on the claim at all?
I like where my vote is for now. I feel like SirChaotick would have made a more overt response to my provocative opener as newbtown.and then Conq's "validation" (note: the time thing I mentioned is what applied to ActionDan, not Conq. I mixed up the 2 but have corrected due to re-checking)...is not responding to a random vote? He said:
The very start appears to be completely random until someone messes up his/her logic. Ah-ha.which means that was a random vote in his eyes. Do you respond to every early game random vote?
(he votes for himself if he is one vote from getting lynched)http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller
hes pretty much bothThe only difference is that should I be voting myself for whatever reason I don't die at L-1.
@rawr, IHNN. It wasn't a random vote; I specifically directed it at him because he was a new player and new players are easiest to read when pressured. ::) But now thanks to your defense(?) he can just ignore it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio
I know some of the jargon but it's still a little hard. For example, I have no idea what EBWOP means.http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations
Raikaria's actions are null at worst considering how his/her play was as Reimu in the recent anonymafia,
Bard's logic for voting both myself and part of the logic for Raikaria is that we're "making useless noise", yet that discussion was the springboard out of RVS.
Talk about game theory but no initiative-taking is scummy, scum like the game staying as it is.
Indeed, it seems to me as if he has succeeded, since Bardiche pretty much jumped the gun and voted him on the ground of not taking initiative...
I have been town every game I've played, and always stood out D1, and had an early bandwagon put upon me.just further rustle my jimmies. "I am always Town" + "I have always been scummy D1" + "I have always had a bandwagon on me" = "I'm Town this game as well because everything else is happening as well"? This argument is terrible and I'm not sure why people excuse it.
This implies I've read the recent anonymafia and will use one game to excuse scummy behaviour. I don't care about who makes the argument, just that the argument is made and it is scummy. If you feel that Raikaria is a "try-hard newbie" you are entirely free to explain how it's a Town argument to state that since you're doing things scum would never do you can't be scum. And by free to I mean I want you to.
I voted Nameless for that and Raikaria pushed ahead with "I'm not scum cuz I do stuff scum wouldn't do!", which is just the sort of WIFOM reasoning scum would employ to guide their actions. I didn't vote them for not voting, I voted them for placing a jokevote and then discussing circles about Serela's play.
Vote stays on Rai because I've seen no compelling reason to move it off him. Newbies are just as likely to roll scum, and arguments like: just further rustle my jimmies. "I am always Town" + "I have always been scummy D1" + "I have always had a bandwagon on me" = "I'm Town this game as well because everything else is happening as well"? This argument is terrible and I'm not sure why people excuse it.How is it pro-town to explain that you're town because you're doing things you wouldn't do as scum? Well, it's pro-town because if you're town, then your job is to Not Get Mislynched, and anything is fair game for your defense. Sure, scum can use the same defense, but it's all about the context, and it's silly to paint it as something only scum would do. I can see his making this argument from the PoV of an overdefensive townie who gets early wagoned every game and is aware of it. Hate on self-meta, call it a terrible argument or whatever, but I don't think he's scum for it; I'm more interested in seeing how his content evolves from here.
I frown at Conq voteparking on Dormio. Why do you do this, and why do you call people Town in your very first serious post of the Day when we've hardly had much to work with? Pretty premature to me.:toot: I call things as I see them. I see town motivations in the posts of the people I called out, and therefore are less likely to inclined to want to lynch them. Also, I voted Dormio because SirChaotick's post was mildly satisfactory, and I don't particularly think you're scum.
I kind of agree that Raikaria is more passive then both his previous appearances actually. Maybe it's the effect of actually knowing who it is as opposed to mysterious person B, but even that beauticious Yuka avatar doesn't quell the suspiciousness that upends my gut at the defensive tone of his early posts.Would like you to explain how he's more passive than both his previous appearances.
Would like you to explain how he's more passive than both his previous appearances.
Would like you to explain how he's more passive than both his previous appearances.
Edit: Do you have anything besides lurkscum you think is suspicious about ActionDan?
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
sheeping
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
sheeping
@Raikaria: That question wasn't directed to you so why did you feel the urge to answer it?
And like, why the hell did Dan essentially claim his role already?Negative Utility roles should be claimed early so it's not a nasty surprise later (i.e., someone votes me to L-1 then end of day, or we lose a day on ActionDan's lynch).
And like, why the hell did IHNN essentially claim his role already?
IHNN: Come and do my laundry and I will post all day for your amusement. Also stop voting Bard, it's probably stupid and wrong.k
And like, why the hell did Dan essentially claim his role already?Could you explain why IHNN claim is scummier then dans? Also could you point out where theyre cooperative?
And like, why the hell did IHNN essentially claim his role already?
And like, why the hell did-- fuck this.
This game hurts my head :\
All things considered IHNN's role seems scummier than townie if I'm reading it right.
ActionDan's ...role? seems townier than scummier if I'm reading it right. But his ACTIONS... do not seems to reflect it, and what Sheep already?
##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
Go Die :<
Why are you two so cooperative anyways? Its like "I want to do this-Person A", "Oh oh I want to do that too -Person B"
If you feel that Raikaria is a "try-hard newbie" you are entirely free to explain how it's a Town argument to state that since you're doing things scum would never do you can't be scum. And by free to I mean I want you to.This is still a horrible trap question though.
which is just the sort of WIFOM reasoning scum would employ to guide their actionslolwat
This argument is terrible and I'm not sure why people excuse it.Probably shouldn't be excused (it's definitely terrible) but more in the "Okay so that sort of stuff is just kind of ridiculous so don't do it again" rather then scummy terrible.
Rolemadness is always going to trip people up. I think the way it's gone so far isn't as aggravating as your making it out to be.
If we assume Nameless is telling the truth, I can't say with confidence the way he roleclaimed is wrong, even if it's Day one.
If we assume Action Dan is telling the truth as well, then he has every right to be concerned about Nameless's Roleclaim.
More importantly, if we assume Action Dan is lying, or mafia, I don't think he'd have considered the issue of a Hated/Miller claim the way he did at the time.
Even if you think it's wrong for them both to have roleclaimed in retrospect, you can't really say that it was wrong for them to do so at the time it happened.
Could you explain why IHNN claim is scummier then dans? Also could you point out where theyre cooperative?@DrRawr: 1) I read it again, and I take my words back on IHNN assuming he did not lie about his role.
Conqueror, can I also ask why you call Shadoweh the first real suspect, yet do not address anything anyone has said about him, or anything he has said, in your post?? No one's said anything about Shadoweh that I can remember.
@Conq: In post #95 You basically talk all about Bardiche, yet you vote Shadoweh. I was wondering why you required a separate post for a quote and what is basically asking for reason from Shadoweh.That should answer your question. Bard is null for me right now; I don't particularly think what he's doing is scummy.
Negative Utility roles should be claimed early so it's not a nasty surprise later (i.e., someone votes me to L-1 then end of day, or we lose a day on ActionDan's lynch).Not always true. Sometimes it's better to hold off on a claim; claiming beloved princess for instance when you're not under threat of lynch pretty much guarantees you're never getting NK'd unless you're super town.
claiming beloved princess for instance when you're not under threat of lynch pretty much guarantees you're never getting NK'd unless you're super town.?????????
I'm a beloved princess. not in name but in ability. If I get lynched people will be so happy that they'll dance and celebrate the next day and night will start immediately.Looks like he's claiming a beloved princess that only activates upon lynch.
Would like you to explain how he's more passive than both his previous appearances.Not really. If I knew how to explain feelings my posts would be poetic verses. I supose I should try anyways. (I don't get why people are pressing you about it though. I think someone even asked you to put it in a seperate post when you put your question in a seperate post. ED1 STRONG) You'll have to wait a few more hours though as my hands are tied right now. I don't think his vote for Dan is endearing either.
Shadoweh's my primary suspect because she made a scummy post; me voting her was unrelated to the rest of my post. Are you asking me why Bardiche isn't my primary suspect when I've said multiple times that I don't think Bardiche is scum even though I felt his logic was faulty?No you are still misunderstanding me. What I wanted was clarification on the order in which you posted. I found it weird that shadoweh wasn't on the forefront of your mind when you called her scum no.1 at the time.
No you are still misunderstanding me. What I wanted was clarification on the order in which you posted. I found it weird that shadoweh wasn't on the forefront of your mind when you called her scum no.1 at the time.Wat. The order in which I post something...doesn't really relate to anything except the order in which I addressed whatever I was going to write. ??? Why ask me specifically when I don't think anyone does what you're trying to say?
@Shadoweh: You kinda, still...on a...balance? I mean, you posted but nothing felt any clearer.Hero this isn't even a complete sentence. What the hell are you trying to say here. <_< Why are you voting for the person whose death skips us a night? I believe Conq made you read what their roles do, so why are you doing this thing what you are doing?
Raikaria I know I've been really mean to you for no reason for all my posts but let's lynch Hero999 instead okay
The scummy reasons are because you read his posts
and then you realize that they are about being confused about the rules and him not wanting to post because he's scum
and then you vote him
If there is one thing I am confident Hero doesn't worry about, it's not posting because he might look stupid. :V Not because he's stupid, but because he's not self-conscious. He doesn't seem like he's doing his own thing here, he seems weak because Posting Is Hard (as scum).
Did you actually read his posts or
And I think I'll claim this now because I don't remember the theory on it but it's not gonna hurt.Speaking of which, would like ActionDan explaining why he claimed so early.
I can't believe you used 'rustle my jimmies' in a sentence naturally.
This also feels like the first time Bard is seriously enforcing he sometimes says with his actions.
If any scum seriously did this, they don't know what the hell they're doing
Clearly he is. :derp:I must not have noticed him over all the nothing he's been doing.
whilst not making any mention of an opinion of Bardiche.Ignore this somehow I missed post #50.
Shadoweh what the fuck are you doing you haven't scumhunted at all and your thing on Hero is "read his posts they're about nothing" when your posts are about nothing as well until the vote.I fail to see how my quality or lack thereof has anything to do with the relevant quality of the aforemention person's posts.
##Vote: Shadoweh
A few links, some random questions, and then vanishing. Opinions where?Was at my gynecologist, screw you
1) Dr. RawrWhen the do i ever not give one liners, using that as a scum or town tell is fucking stupid. Also at the time of my last post there werent even fucking 100 posts, you expect me to get reads off that?
Highly unimpressed. He has not given any reads, 90% of his posts are one sentence [If that k is not a sentence.]. He's still on Hero999, which he admitted is a prod vote, and he's acted since then. I want to hear more from you.
@Dormio: Cheerleading Bard? The only part at all of Bard's vote against Raikaria was the vote itself, but none of the reasons.
@Serela: While it's true Bard is being overly aggressive against Rai, his push against Rai isn't very bad really. I'm fairly sure he isn't saying he's completely confident Raikaria is scum, but it's still more strategic than say picking someone at random and just lynch them. With the level of activity this D1 there is barely anything to base lynches off even by D1 standards, and add that to the fact Day length depends on C.C.'s interest in it, there likely isn't enough time for us to catch someone actually acting scummy. Any lynch at all (except lynching the beloved princess) is still preferable to a NL at this point, so we'll have to pick a lynchee soon lest the mod yawns and hammers the day to an end before we do.
That said, I'll support a Raikaria lynch if the battery gets pretty low and no one else nominates a preferable lynch candidate, but I'd prefer letting him live. It's better for us newbies to get more time in the game to get more experience playing after all.
I know that it's not good, but the last votecount posted hours ago showed only 58% battery left. We still don't have anything solid to work our votes on, and unless we can spice things up C.C. is getting bored of this D1 quick :\ And I don't think Raikaria is scummy, but at the moment Raikaria and Bard are the only ones with people actually wanting to push a lynch on. As for Bard this kind of logicstaredown isn't uncommon for MotK mafia so I don't find him scummy either, and despite me not wanting to resort to lynching any newbies D1, unless Raikaria looks like town, Bard starts acting scummy or another lynch candidate appears I'd still prefer a Raikaria lynch over a Bard one.
No, I wasn't finding him town, I was talking about how him pouncing on Raikaria was not too out of place unlike what Serela said about it being suspicious. To clarify, I find both Raikaria and Bard are null, but between those two I'd prefer a Raikaria lynch.
Mmm, it looks like once RVS is actually over C.C.'s battery lasts a lot longer than I expected.I don't know about what other people think, but to me, it looks like you were trying to push for Raikaria's lynch whilst distancing yourself as far away from it as possible. I mean even your latest post shows this attitude.
@Zakeri: Why did Raikaria (and his response) look town to you? And excuse me if I missed it or misunderstood you, but how was ActionDan concerned about IHNN's claim? I only saw him asking for IHNN's flavor, then nod at said flavor. Also, you're having a conspicuous lack of examining people other than Shadoweh, Raikaria and ActionDan. ##FoS
Agree that Shadoweh isn't doing much this time around. Might FoS if she doesn't start spewing more meaningful posts.
Despite ActionDan's roleclaim, his activity and contributory are still pretty bad. Would lynch had he not dangle one Day's punishment of no lynching in front of me. Also, that rawr FoS, was it a joke or something, I can't see any plausible explanation for it D:
@Dormio: Cheerleading Bard? The only part at all of Bard's vote against Raikaria was the vote itself, but none of the reasons. The day suddenly being at a little over half battery when I pop up alarmed me a little, so I was expressing my concern about the possibility of a general consensus for lynching not reached before battery died. Apparently I underestimated the battery though. And now that more people pop up and start pointing fingers, there are more options for lynching, so I'm no longer interested in a Raikaria lynch (for now).:derp:
When the do i ever not give one liners, using that as a scum or town tell is fucking stupid. Also at the time of my last post there werent even fucking 100 posts, you expect me to get reads off that?
Shadoweh (6) - Conq, IHNN, Bardiche, Raikaria, C.C., Raitaki
Worth noting that IHNN says you're normally lurky.I think so, not to this extent but IRL stuff can happen. Worth noting on that is I went to sleep right after that post and woke up just a couple minutes ago. Ironically the time I'm most likely to be able to post is right after I wake up. I should be around for another hour but then I don't know beyond that.
3) IHNN
Pretty active at the start of the day, but aside from prodding us to make up our minds, you've been fading away. Still, I'm leaning town on you, since you generally seem to be giving reads, and encouraging us to work together.
Oh gawd what. Definitely Lelouch's handiwork. Last time I checked he was a massive villian so ##Unvote. Looks like an anti-town party trying to get rid of Shadoweh to me.Lelouch? This post is really confusing and kind of eww. Raitaki: who exactly do you think is trying to get rid of Shadoweh here that is anti-town. Why Zakeri: that's a useless vote. I'd be fine with a Raitaki lynch because of this post. It's that bad.
Guess I'll vote Zakeri instead
In Code Geass, C.C. is Lelouch's accomplice. She occasionally helps Lelouch, who is basically an equivalent of Death Note's Kira.
Play>roles>shenanigans. This is shenanigans.
Shadoweh's play deserves a lynch, as you clearly agreed from voting her.
So, why have that change your mind? I mean, it's flavor that might not even be correct flavor based around my claim from earlier. Come to think of it, did ActionDan ever claim a rolename or just functionality?
Play>roles>shenanigans. This is shenanigans.Eh, just me trying to outsmart the game. And even if Shadoweh's play is bad, the C.C. vote thing made me think mafia wanted her dead. But not so sure now. D:
Shadoweh's play deserves a lynch, as you clearly agreed from voting her.
So, why have that change your mind? I mean, it's flavor that might not even be correct flavor based around my claim from earlier. Come to think of it, did ActionDan ever claim a rolename or just functionality?
For me it's the unexplained swap to Zakeri that raises suspicions, why Zakeri over everyone else?This pretty much, but also I thought you knew something you wouldn't know otherwise.
What does it mean...though obviously sheeping the mod is a good idea.Pretty sure the mod isn't a player in the game (PX said this game wasn't bastard, right)? My guess is that it's a secret double vote...the fact that no one has claimed it makes me lean towards an anti-town sided one. The other possibility is that Shadoweh failed some type of post restriction and the mod vote is some sort of punishment? I dunno.
Pretty sure the mod isn't a player in the game (PX said this game wasn't bastard, right)? My guess is that it's a secret double vote...the fact that no one has claimed it makes me lean towards an anti-town sided one. The other possibility is that Shadoweh failed some type of post restriction and the mod vote is some sort of punishment? I dunno.
Unvotes because its too popular...What?
##Unvote. Looks like an anti-town party trying to get rid of Shadoweh to me.
Guess I'll vote Zakeri instead
...What?
Rawr did you really read my reasoning >_>
Highly unimpressed. He has not given any reads, 90% of his posts are one sentence [If that k is not a sentence.]. He's still on Hero999, which he admitted is a prod vote, and he's acted since then. I want to hear more from you.
because of my one liners and me not removing my vote while i was at my gynecologist. Also my posts after hero999 did post were all questions directed at him, if i still have suspicion of him why should i unvote him(yet again less then 100 actual posts were made at this time, wtf kind of reads were you expecting?)
It would help my, and presumably everyone else's, opinions of you if you cut out using ad hominems as core arguments against arguments brought against you.nope
drrawr is probably town now; let's run up Dormio because he hasn't done anything town.
What is it that gives you the impression that drrawr is town? Because I've seen nothing that suggests so.I can read minds. Well, I don't actually have a town read on him, but I don't have a scum read on him anymore (his defense seems decently honest), while I do have a scum read on Dormio!
And in all honesty he deserves to be lynched just for his attitude.X
Read Dormio's posts; he had completely no opinion on the Shadoweh and Hero wagons, which were big at the time he made his latest post. Instead he continues to tunnel on Raitaki for ~*wording*~. If he was town I'd imagine he'd at least make an effort to acknowledge the biggest wagons or say he didn't understand them or something. Dormio is scum, let's lynch him.
Is that inherently a scum move, however? Pushing on who you think is scum over the current discussion going on?It's not scummy to push who you think is scum; completely ignoring the main lynch targets on the other hand is scummy because it lets you avoid any of the potential fallout under the excuse that you were tunneling. Even when Dormio tunnels as town, he makes an effort to look at the people who are mostly likely to be lynched. This isn't what he's doing here.
We're playing spot the mafia, not spot the asshole.Though ironically Dormio still gets picked there :V
...what do you think (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14)
CAN I FINISH POSTING OR WHAT
With how swingy the game has been on the votes department, I'm really getting suspicious of things.
@IHNN: You know that reasoning, is freaking weird right? I'm basically connecting your reasoning with XX is awake and posting, XX is not. I almost want to call a bombraid on you just for this.IIRC Dormio has 3 posts total, 1 outside of RVS.
Same. Every time we get close to lynching one person I want lynched everyone jumps on someone else I want lynched.This is because there's so many people we want lynched and we're at consolidation time-some people switch and to ensure a lynch a bunch of other people switch.
First Shadoweh, then DrRawr, now Dormio...
Dormio has done somethings and has a more defining opinion of subjects than DrRawr.Hero, can you show me where this actually happened? I think Dormio has like two posts and one of them is red+blue and a vote?
but how the fuck is anyone to know whatever reason you have not to participate
The call for Rawr to do something with his vote is legit,uhhh no it isnt, if im still questioning hero999 and have suspicion why should i move the vote? if im not here how the hell can i move the vote?
Also Raikaria is quite happy to throw that vote around nilly willy and edge people closer to the danger zone immediately after seeing a magical vote so.
4) Shadoweh
Right, this is one of the more popular votes:
Lurky at ED1
Then we have his #130 and #132 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13512.msg892690.html#msg892690)
What's so bad about these?
1: He jumps on me with no reasoning.
2: Particularly bad, he outright says he wants to sheep on IHNN but doesn't want his vote to look like OMGUS.
3: I then post, and then he posts with reasoning that already existed and jumps on the Hero wagon instead.
That sudden flip-flop, combined with his admittance that he wanted to sheep, really makes be suspicious.
He's also not really done anything... useful. As I point out in #136 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13512.msg892728.html#msg892728), his reasoning for voting Hero isn't exactly great either.
Would be happy to lynch Shadoweh.
Hero, can you show me where this actually happened? I think Dormio has like two posts and one of them is red+blue and a vote?@Shadoweh: Dormio's blurp about
@Raikaria: oh? I'm still on the lurking area thats nice to know.
IHNN why are you not only unsurprised by an unannounced vote but actively encouraging people to sheep it? >_> If it's yours you could have hidden that a wee bit better. It doesn't lower my wish to punch you in the mouth over it though.??? ???
I think the only person I slightly agree with you on is Dormio. The fact that you are ignoring someone trying to engineer an accidental lynch on myself which would have triggered the death of someone else you want to lynch bothers me.
Actually why do you even suspect Hero? Back when I was pointing a finger towards him you were like 'nope.avi'.
I will not deign that with a response and instead suggest that you add more words to your posts that continue thoughts you had, since that's where the suspicion seems to be coming from. If you hadn't thought of it that way before Rawr what does that tell you now and how does it change your reads?oh right i havent posted my list of reads
Honestly that Dormio post that Hero pointed out was pretty good. Why are we lynching him and not someone whose name begins with Rai? Either one will do.What was good about it? Seriously, read it. What's scummy about Raitaki's evolving position on Raikaria?
The impression I got from it wasn't evolving, it was avoidance. It's easy to say you want to lynch someone when you never vote for them and actually vote with them. Forgive me for being suspicious of the two people around the magical invisible vote.
That said, I'll support a Raikaria lynch if the battery gets pretty low and no one else nominates a preferable lynch candidate, but I'd prefer letting him live. It's better for us newbies to get more time in the game to get more experience playing after all.
As for Bard this kind of logicstaredown isn't uncommon for MotK mafia so I don't find him scummy either, and despite me not wanting to resort to lynching any newbies D1, unless Raikaria looks like town, Bard starts acting scummy or another lynch candidate appears I'd still prefer a Raikaria lynch over a Bard one.He said he would support Raikaria over Bard in the event of a deadline lynch because it looked like they were the only two wagons at the time and the battery was dropping fast. That's avoidance?
@Conq: ...That sounds very accurate, but when I look back at the vote counts before dormio started posting, I found that there wasn't really a clear majority on which wagon. They were each at either 1 or 2 votes so I'm not very convinced on that logic Conq.Sure, by the votecounts. But there was plenty of suspicion around Shadoweh at the time before and during Dormio's posting; I find it highly suspect that he would completely ignore all of this, especially given his history of finding Shadoweh sus as town.
Also, ~conspiracy theory land~, I can totally see that role being a scum role.Scum beloved princess is pretty wild; I don't think Dormio actually believes this.
Also just fyi rawr, Raikaria, and Dan (and maybe Serela) are banned and can't post for 24 hours.
Clearly he is. :derp:Hes not going to be here.
Just mentioning that I'll be off in a moment. My attendance will likely plummet for about eighteen hours.
Buh, hhahahahahahahhahahahhaha!! What the hell's thaaaaaaaaat?! Small bommmmmmmbs?! Waahhahahahahhahhahha!!
Ahaha. You think you can defeat me?! I am the Golden Witch Beatrice, who has lived for a thousand years! This island is my territory! But go ahead and try BATTLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Welcome Dormio to the World of C. You are Beatrice (Umineko no Naku Koro Ni), here in an eternal chess battle with Battler.
You are the Town Golden Witch.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Active 【Red Words of Truth】 - Each night, you may investigate someone and send the results to another target in red text by PMing the mods with the command ##Red Words XX to YY. You do not know if the results are true or false, but you know that if they are true then Battler's results are false. You cannot send the results to the same person Battler sends the results to.
Passive 【Eternal Chess Battle】 - At the start of each day, your turn ends and it becomes Battler's turn to play. You become Battler for the rest of that day and night phase.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods and stating which character you will start off as.
You know, Beatrice can easily deny it was Battler who killed them. It seems silly she'd lose to something so stupid.
BRB haunting your every dream.
Holy shit huh what. You changed your avi to Risukuma the pedo bear.where was your avatar hijack yesterday schezo????
##Vote: C.C. for trying to lynch our only means of killing the mafia.
This needs to be included in one of the death scenes somehow.Time was running out, there were no more options, there was simply no way that their oxygen would last until the daily resupply. In order to survive another day in LeMU, they would have to sacrifice one of their own.
You realize, if Shadoweh doesn't die tonight, he might be breaking his survival record.Shadoweh is a girl.
I call Serela a girl, he's a boy.NNR was even worse.
I call Shadoweh a boy, she's a girl.
RAIKARIA IS WORST GENDER TELLER.
Aaaah, what a nice n... why am I floating in space? ;_; Good thing I brought my batman suit.LeMU is actually underwater.
Also, I've already posted my reasoning for voting Zakeri D1, and most of it still stands, so here I am. Also hey I thought I had a somewhat better D1 this time D:I've looked at that. You essentially said "welp, not Shadoweh. Guess I'll vote Zakeri" and then stuck with it for his...playing the game?
Bullrushing hwfuck you too buddy
Dormio's is basically useless as we all thought him a good lynch and he posted hardly anything.I'd like to contend this, if you don't mind. There's a whole other competing wagon that makes for good analysis.
I'd like to contend this, if you don't mind. There's a whole other competing wagon that makes for good analysis.I don't mind, I overlooked all that. Yeah, I know the triple voteswitching is odd but that's reflected, I think, in repeated opinion changes in who was scummiest but a scum could very easily have rode that. I do agree that Bard is the scummiest of the 3, as evidenced by still suspecting him.
Conqueror is confusing to me. 195, switches from Rawr to Dormio, 197 says he has a town read on on Rawr, 199, admits to lying about town read and just has a scumread on dormio, 202, only scumtell he has is that Dormio is being more tunnlevision than usual. I guess I can Accept voting for the guy you have one more scumtell on, but if you didn't have a towntell on Rawr, why did you say you did?What's the point of this question? In any case, I liked how rawr's reaction was to scumhunt off of his wagon, and in the meanwhile I reread Dormio (who I had forgotten about previously) and found that I had a stronger scumread on him. I don't like how you're simplifying the case against Dormio as "tunnelvision" though. You said yesterday that Dormio was voted for being Dormio; I want you to explain what you meant by that. I think I pretty clearly explained why I felt Dormio's case against Raitaki was a misrep of his position on Raikaria/Bardiche, and this combined with his willful ignorance of the other wagons was the case on him.
All you really have against me that's left over from day one (as I understand) is that I only gave a handful of town reads and didn't explicitly state my dissatisfaction with Hero999 (the person I was voting for.)This is a completely valid case considering the tripe other people have been throwing around.
##Vote: RaikariaWould like explanation please plus an opinion on Zak since you missed him in your opinions post.
voting either of the rai's really
Raitaki...I didn't like your D1 much but thought Dormio was worse. You first post of D2 oozes :C.He gave a reason for his vote right before the day ended yesterday. What makes it invalid for his first vote of the day?
##Vote: Raitaki
You don't plop down a vote on D2 with no reasoning combined with a sub-par D1 means you get my vote for now.
Raitaki: right now I think you're most likely to be behind the C.C. vote. I also think the person behind it is very likely scum. This is reflected in where my vote is.On what basis?
He gave a reason for his vote right before the day ended yesterday. What makes it invalid for his first vote of the day?It wasn't his first vote. Something kind of feels off with him for me. It's not a completely solid stance but it's the most solid anti-town stance I have at the moment.
On what basis?His flavor assumption combined with the modvote being an excuse for not paying attention for the rest of D1 (my interpretation of events). I had written this in my other post but I lost the original version and forgot my reasoning.
It wasn't his first vote. Something kind of feels off with him for me. It's not a completely solid stance but it's the most solid anti-town stance I have at the moment.Maybe you could explain what feels off about him? Also, I highly suggest you shop around for other reads as I'm fairly sure Raitaki is town. What do you think about his and my arguments against Zakeri?
His flavor assumption combined with the modvote being an excuse for not paying attention for the rest of D1 (my interpretation of events). I had written this in my other post but I lost the original version and forgot my reasoning.Let's leave aside the flavour since I'm pretty sure it's alignment independent and comes from SEN mafia or whereever else he plays. He unvotes Shadoweh like everyone else on the Shadoweh wagon, and moves onto his secondary scumread, Zakeri, in a vote which is pretty well telegraphed if you scroll up on that page. How is this an excuse for not paying attention for the rest of D1? I really don't see it at all.
Maybe you could explain what feels off about him? Also, I highly suggest you shop around for other reads as I'm fairly sure Raitaki is town. What do you think about his and my arguments against Zakeri?It's like with BT back in Adorable Mafia-something just feels off but I don't know what. I'll switch for now though.
Would like explanation please plus an opinion on Zak since you missed him in your opinions post.Honestly I have no idea what to think of zakeri atm, probably why i forgot to mention him. For some reason he just comes off as null no matter how much i read his posts.
Rawr once again is showing his complete uselessness to town by voting someone with 0 reasoning put behind it. However, as Chatoic suggests, I expect an explanation.uhhhh yea let me say that your case on me is shit and all your other cases(?) are shit. The fact that you left yourself open to 6 different people yesterday to lynch, already explains youre lazy and 0 scumhunting(they were all people with least content). Completely after that your case and questioning of me devolved into you just nitpicking at my posts with an incredible amount of bullshit that you seem to think is scummy(which it really isnt). Also i am honestly surprised you didnt vote me today, but instead voted actiondan who wasnt even here for the majority d1(fyi its not lurking if he isnt actually here). Rather then looking at the amount of content people have provided, maybe you should look at what they have provided
Chatoic
uhhhh yea let me say that your case on me is shit and all your other cases(?) are shit. The fact that you left yourself open to 6 different people yesterday to lynch, already explains youre lazy and 0 scumhunting(they were all people with least content). Completely after that your case and questioning of me devolved into you just nitpicking at my posts with an incredible amount of bullshit that you seem to think is scummy(which it really isnt). Also i am honestly surprised you didnt vote me today, but instead voted actiondan who wasnt even here for the majority d1(fyi its not lurking if he isnt actually here). Rather then looking at the amount of content people have provided, maybe you should look at what they have provided
also if someone is going to nitpick at every single one of my posts, ill be as rude as possible to them.
Bard: I have no memories of doing anything last night, why do you ask?
Are me and shadoweh still scum?
Holy hell how many times do we have to say Shadoweh is female?
Fix your attitude.I could possibly be more unreasonable if you want, but that isnt on my list of things to do.
Also, nitpicking? If there are nits to pick, then I recommend everyone to pick away.
No, he didn't, and in all honesty, it's about what I've come to expect already, and is why he should go.Misrep that should have been corrected. at the time i also hadnt considered what shadoweh had said later. But the logic that was used is still stupid.
1: Your tone. You're saying 'screw you' for crying out loud. That is not a good way to make yourself popular.Where does this make me scum exactly? You seem pretty upset that im using one liners and as a reason to vote me, thus it is a reason for your scumtell on me.
2: You react with ' using that as a scum or town tell is fucking stupid.', when I didn't use your contribution length as a town or scum tell. Which makes me HIGHLY suspicious.
As for reads before 100 posts?Yet again im not those people, im not easy enough to throw out stupid town reads with less then 100 posts. Also how can you take actiondans read seriously if you wanted him lynched?
Bard's first reads came at #30
I had one as early as post #35 on Bard
Actiondan had one on my by 36
Conq's #61
Clarrifying on your Hero999 vote, if you were keeping it as more than the prod vote you initially placed it as, you should have said so and why, so we didn't take it as simply a prod anymore.If im still voting him and still questioning him what does logic tell us? If im not here to unvote, how can i unvote?
And in all honesty he deserves to be lynched just for his attitude.Like conq said were here to lynch scum.
Because my role didn't let me.
Of the people who voted for Dormio yesterday, I think Raitaki, Bardiche, and Action Dan are the worst right now.
Not a big fan of Rakaria, Bardiche, and Nameless using their vote to do a combined interpretive consolidation dance in the later half of the day. I think one of the three is scum.
Bard is someone I'm a bit suspicious of but there's bigger fish to fry today.
I do agree that Bard is the scummiest of the 3, as evidenced by still suspecting him.
It's not a completely solid stance but it's the most solid anti-town stance I have at the moment.
right now I think you're most likely to be behind the C.C. vote. I also think the person behind it is very likely scum. This is reflected in where my vote is.Scummiest on what basis, and why can't you seem to agree with yourself on who is scummiest/most anti-Town? I'm assuming "anti-Town" = "Scum" or of equal threat level, if you mean "acting against Town but not necessarily not-Town" you need to vote the scummiest person instead and tell other people why this is so.
I would have liked another flip to work with since Dormio's is basically useless as we all thought him a good lynch and he posted hardly anything., since when I voted Dormio we were 5/5 with Raitaki and my votes elsewhere, and no one swapped from Raitaki onto Dormio. Therefore, if you're going to say Raitaki is Scum, you're saying Dormio was a counter-wagon to Scum, which means his wagon should be of great importance.
##Vote: DrRawrI have layed out why im voting him
For all the same reasons yesterday which have all held today. Also because his attitude annoys me: Calling someone "stupid" for voting you and generally being condescending is not an attitude I like to see in my game environment, on top of zero scumhunting so far yet. Protip: Just voting someone isn't scumhunting, you also gotta convince Town you've got Scum by the throat, and lashing out at everyone who suspects/votes you isn't a way to convince people you're voting Scum.
Misrep that should have been corrected. at the time i also hadnt considered what shadoweh had said later. But the logic that was used is still stupid.Where does this make me scum exactly? You seem pretty upset that im using one liners and as a reason to vote me, thus it is a reason for your scumtell on me.Yet again im not those people, im not easy enough to throw out stupid town reads with less then 100 posts. Also how can you take actiondans read seriously if you wanted him lynched?If im still voting him and still questioning him what does logic tell us? If im not here to unvote, how can i unvote?Like conq said were here to lynch scum.
pretty much all shit that isnt really relevant to me being scum. I gave my defense which you seem to ignore for some reason.
@SirChaotick never said it was, but i dont like it when people say im scum for all the wrong reasons. I can be more unreasonable if raikaria insist that his case on me is a good one. In all honesty id probably unvote him if he dropped his lame case on me and actually scum hunt. Prodding lurkers and not voting your scum suspects isnt the way to go, especially on d2.
@Nameless:Scummiest on what basis, and why can't you seem to agree with yourself on who is scummiest/most anti-Town? I'm assuming "anti-Town" = "Scum" or of equal threat level, if you mean "acting against Town but not necessarily not-Town" you need to vote the scummiest person instead and tell other people why this is so. (1)(1) Raitaki is gut. The 2nd and 3rd quotes are in the context of the 3 people hopping around LD1-myself, Raikaria and you.
I can get not immediately producing reasons for various reasons, and none of those reasons seem entirely apparent to me. There's no real trap laid out here and no real updating of cases. There's not even a clear reason why I'm scummy other than "see Day1". We have a wagon flip so incorporate that into your reads. (2)
since when I voted Dormio we were 5/5 with Raitaki and my votes elsewhere, and no one swapped from Raitaki onto Dormio. Therefore, if you're going to say Raitaki is Scum, you're saying Dormio was a counter-wagon to Scum, which means his wagon should be of great importance. (3)
Please consider your response to this carefully: Why do you consider Dormio's flip basically useless when according to your vote it was a counter-wagon to your top scum suspect, so people who swung the wagon and people who built the wagon should be suspicious as a result? (4)
(4) First part of 2, he had very little content. I responded to Zakeri saying that I overlooked a lot of things surrounding the flip so I'm not sure how I haven't answered already.
Suggestive question, I'm saying Dormio's flip is very important if you consider Raitaki scum so you need to look at that. Moreover, why the hell would you regret someone not flipping in the Night as they would usually be Townies? (freak situations notwithstanding)K so I lied and re-read that stuff now. I'm not sure what kind of conclusions I should be drawing other than Raitaki was flailing at the time.
3. If he really thought i was scum why didnt he vote me at the start, he instead prodded actiondan for some reason
K so I lied and re-read that stuff now. I'm not sure what kind of conclusions I should be drawing other than Raitaki was flailing at the time.
Oh I got cut by Bard I see! I just got to the end here. Psh, if nothing else, what I had on you when I was voting you D1 should be enough to justify my vote now; although for obvious reasons, addressing your further posts is of course required.
Although I'm having some trouble doing so.
The only thing that really comes to mind here is "It feels like Bard is saying a lot of stuff, but that almost all of it is kind of unimportant in the end" and then on the DrRawr stuff idk since I'm flipflopping all over there as well, so that part is kind of null to me, could easily see it as town or scum. All in all I haven't really seen a single thing from Bard this game I actually think is town looking, and enough stuff that just touches me in a bad place that I really want him lynched. Maybe I can explain this better after I get another nights rest (Ahahaha as if I can actually sleep at night anymore ;_;) but this is kind of adequate maybe? Questions might help if there are any to be asked.
It's not a town argument, but it's not a scum argument either. It's a silly argument. It might be a little more likely to come from sillyscum I guess? But still completely realistic from sillytown.
I also tried to explain why I don't like your later posts either. The issue is I can't really find anything specific, apart from what I vaguely/badly tried to communicate in my last paragraph there.
enough stuff that just touches me in a bad place that I really want him lynched
I seriously wish I could punch people through the internet because goddamn, Serela, that has got to be the worst play from you yet. Tell me why this isn't Scummy and why I shouldn't kill you for this.
I wish to inform you that I find Early Day 1 Very First Case Of The Game criticism to be invalid for a Day 2 case, especially considering you conceded your own point there was up for interpretations where you chose to assume Town and I chose to assume Scum.didn't I have other points
it's sort of like that's a decent bit of my case and then the rest is your posts are kind of padded with useless stuff that looks good if you don't actually think about it too hard?
Are me and shadoweh still scum?
As for you, you've not shown me otherwise.
On this specific point, maybe it's because I'm still not 100% convinced you're scum yet? I don't like you, and I would be happy to lynch you, and I lean towards you being scum. I'm not petty. I don't write you off as scum because you're annoying. I'd LIKE to see you get lynched, but I want what is best for the town, not my sanity.fucking tsunderes
I accuse you of lurking. Nothing more.I am not lurking now, thus your case is outdated and null. please try again!
Bonus BS points for it not even being an hour since you posted your defense for me to follow up on.Im pretty sure ive mentioned these things prior to d2.
3) Good question, try asking Raitaki.why would i do that?
Defending yourself != case isn't solid. I'll disagree with any case on me calling me Scum, but that doesn't mean the others suddenly have unsolid casesno but you cant deny the existence of the defense and believe that your case irrefutable. But seeing as there never was an actual case on me watevs
Indeed, the name of the game is to nitpick to find flaws in arguments.No, the name of the game is not to nitpick at every argument and if you do you'll get into endless wall arguments with stubborn players (town or otherwise). It's to find mafia.
Be happy to be lynching Dan, Rawr or Raitaki right now, but since I don't want to have D2 end this quickly [C.C is still around, presumably, unless the C.C vote was once per game], I'll just use my vote as a lurker prod for now.
However, ActionDan is outright useless right now.No, we're not doing policy lynches. Voting someone JUST FOR LURKING is a bad idea on any day unless you have reason to believe all the other options are town, and even more so if you don't have a scumread on the lurker. Parking your vote on the lurker is just as bad if you have other scumspects. So could you explain why you want those three targets lynched (I'm particularly interested in Raitaki)?
Look at it this way, if we remove the useless people, we prevent situations at the endgame where we have a few people with loads to use for and against them, and then these people with blank slates.
In addition, focusing on lurkers and non-contributers early makes the town more efficient. There are less distractions. Mafia won't pick off the useless parts of the town, they'll pick off the useful townies. This also gives us time to collect information to use later in the game to help us find the mafia. Like it or not, D1 isn't a great time to find mafia, especially with the odds. Usually the best thing to do is lynch a lurker on D1, and, in this situation without a mafia nightkill, and the possible threat of C.C's vote, might be prudent today.
I'm unwilling to focus on one person because I suspect it will make people angry at me.
Zakeri is looking good enough and even if there was a case for him on D1(which there wasn't much of) I'm unwilling to hang him.I would like an explanation of 1) the townread on Zakeri, 2) why you're voting Raitaki for jumping on Zakeri when you mentioned Raitaki as a townread D1, and 3) why I'm fairly town even though I also jumped on Zakeri and made a huge defense of Raitaki in the meantime, as that should make me either scum by the same standards as Raitaki or Raitaki's scumbuddy. There's just a lot of weak and unsubstantiated reads in this ISO and I want everyone to read this and give me an opinion.
Raitaki... gah, he's getting my vote right now for jumping on townread Zakeri.
Serela is town, Conqueror is also fairly town.
I am willing to vote any of the inactives.Name said inactives, and additionally, what do you think of the active players?
I left for a while. You guys sure are quick. And no one died! :D1) Congratulate the Doc/Whatever = Bed
I feel like voting ActionDan, but that claim is still troublesome.
Zakeri is looking good enough and even if there was a case for him on D1(which there wasn't much of) I'm unwilling to hang him.
Raitaki... gah, he's getting my vote right now for jumping on townread Zakeri.
Serela is town, Conqueror is also fairly town.
IHNN is slightly leaning town. Still, reason for voting Bard?
I feel like throwing a vote on Shadoweh or Hero. That'd be easy, quick and completely justified on the grounds of being pretty useless. They're low priority right now though, and I don't know how much it'd matter.
Rawr is slightly suspicious for his unexplained vote on Raikaria. Who is leaning town right now. He probably has an explanation coming though.
As for me... I guess I might be suspected for not saying much? I was away for the previous seven pages though.
##Vote Raitaki
Shadoweh has posts like that look very townie for multiple reasons (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13512.msg892903.html#msg892903) and the Vengeful thing, but then otherwise is mostly terrible, which makes me :C. On the upside if we lynch her and she's town, that means she actually is vengeful, so at least we'd get a vig out of it? The mod vote thing is weird, but I wouldn't throw scum gambit ++ off the possibility list either, like really
Bard's quote on Zak about the interpretive consolidation dance makes me giggle. I almost went "oh wait two of these three people are my town reads" but then I recalled in the next sentences Zak says why he thinks they're town too and that Bard is scum, so I went back to my happy sunflowers.
Oh I got cut by Bard I see! I just got to the end here. Psh, if nothing else, what I had on you when I was voting you D1 should be enough to justify my vote now; although for obvious reasons, addressing your further posts is of course required.
Although I'm having some trouble doing so.
The only thing that really comes to mind here is "It feels like Bard is saying a lot of stuff, but that almost all of it is kind of unimportant in the end" and then on the DrRawr stuff idk since I'm flipflopping all over there as well, so that part is kind of null to me, could easily see it as town or scum. All in all I haven't really seen a single thing from Bard this game I actually think is town looking, and enough stuff that just touches me in a bad place that I really want him lynched. Maybe I can explain this better after I get another nights rest (Ahahaha as if I can actually sleep at night anymore ;_;) but this is kind of adequate maybe? Questions might help if there are any to be asked.
Ah, suspicion onto me? I shall wait for Conqueror's arguments.Despite what people say they don't actually care about posting 'enough'. It's the first part people want. Specific suspects is not one person. If you think someone is scum, which is why you would be making concrete arguments on them, you shouldn't care if it makes them angry, because they are scum and making the scum team rage is half the battle in winning.
As for Hero... not actively scumhunting? I'm... not sure what you mean, honestly. Do you mean I should be making concrete arguments against specific suspects instead of just reading everything? Or just not posting enough? I don't think I can do much about the second reason and I'm unwilling to focus on one person because I suspect it will make people angry at me.
In any case, I'm unsure of who to actively suspect. I can only think of Dan and (to a slightly lesser extent)Hero, for "not saying anything", but that's not an entirely valid criticism. Shadoweh is fairly inactive too and has already flung a lot of weirdness in the thread, so she's a slightly better suspect.Besides the fact that it isn't true? Do you have any problems with the things they are saying? Do you think they're active lurking? I mean I'm even ignoring the easy fruit sitting there about 'flung a lot of weirdness' in this argument and coming up with things to say about you, would it be so hard for you to do the same?
I do know there's better targets than Raitaki, so I'll change my vote now.Hey omae you forgot to actually do something here. Find a reason to vote besides 'inactive or angry but is kind of right'.
@Hero999 i know you unvoted me d1 just to consolidate on a lynch but what are you thoughts of me now? makin me sad that you didnt mention me. also im going to need you to wake up and answer this
As for Hero... not actively scumhunting? I'm... not sure what you mean, honestly. Do you mean I should be making concrete arguments against specific suspects instead of just reading everything? Or just not posting enough? I don't think I can do much about the second reason and I'm unwilling to focus on one person because I suspect it will make people angry at me.@Chaotick: 1) Like Shadoweh said, you are really doing nothing to help town actively. The point of mafia is to find "scum" out of a mob of people who you don't know who to suspect.
@Raikaria: Why do you feel the need to base so much of your content on C.C.? because holyshit you are like the only one to continuously talk about C.C. this C.C that. Why the hell are you trying to make us all focus on that specific point. What is your goal of continuously telling us this?why do you love C.C. so much and not me?
For Serela I suggest taking those floating eyes of his and sticking them up there.hawt
EBWOP: To elaborate on the SirChaotick read, I can see him as newbscum who, having never played as town before, doesn't know how to fakescumhunt as scum and so he doesn't want to either anger townies by making cases on them or bus his buddies. And so we get what he have here, where he basically suspects the inactive players because they can't/won't fight back.I am unsure of the meaning of "bus", and I doubt a bus is a verb, but whatever.
If you happen to be town, this is a pretty terrible stance to take because it means you never have to take any stances. Your goal as town is to find and lynch scum; how are you supposed to do that without focusing on your targets?Whuh? Wha? Crap... this is a tall order.
Anyway, I dislike his opening post on D2.I would like an explanation of 1) the townread on Zakeri, 2) why you're voting Raitaki for jumping on Zakeri when you mentioned Raitaki as a townread D1, and 3) why I'm fairly town even though I also jumped on Zakeri and made a huge defense of Raitaki in the meantime, as that should make me either scum by the same standards as Raitaki or Raitaki's scumbuddy. There's just a lot of weak and unsubstantiated reads in this ISO and I want everyone to read this and give me an opinion.
Name said inactives, and additionally, what do you think of the active players?
You say Shadoweh looks very townie, and then you just write everything else off a 'terrible' and consider lynching her. Terrible what? Terrible Play? Scum-looking? What about everything else makes it so 'mostly terrible'?I said Shadoweh has like one or two posts that look townie.
To me this looks like you're saying 'Shadoweh looks town but I'm willing to lynch her because if she's vengeful we get a shot out of it'.
As I said before, I can confirm Shadoweh is town. Considering that was the first thing I said D2 after wanting her lynched D1, that suggests that something happened during the night that convinced me Shadoweh is town, right? I'm not going to go into the reasons, or even who's action confirmed it for me, but if I suddenly flipped my opinion overnight...
I guess Dan, Rai, and Rawr are my other worst readsraitaki*
You changing your mind about whether Shadoweh is town or scum =/= confirming Shadoweh is town, by the way. Because you aren't confirmed town either. ...although you're a strong town read of mine, admittedly, so :T (I didn't really remember you saying anything of the sort, by the way, although it sounds vaguely familiar. If you did, then, fine, I guess I'll keep going with the modvote thing being a town clear, whatever.)
If you need to abbreviate how about Karia and Taki?I seriously read that as Kairi. Meaning DIE RIKU DIE MWHAHAHAHAHA
Also, you're having a conspicuous lack of examining people other than Shadoweh, Raikaria and ActionDan.
Yyour list of people I'm investigating seems short. It's missing Hero (the guy I'm voting for and have been question) and Bardiche, to name a few.
Also, after reading Zakeri's posts and with my role in hand I'd probably be willing to die for him. ♥ very sexier person, no must lynch or make very sad Baron Vladmu, who is Baron of Sexy♥♥ and know when person not sexy♥♥.
The entire crux of my argument is that his scum bucket list is built on faulty foundation and improperly argumented to hold, and it is his chief argument of scumminess anywhere in the entire game.Bard, what are you doing?
##Vote: Zakeri
He obviously changed his mind after rereading. I'll get to the rest of this page and an explanation for IHNN in a bit. Chaotix and Zakeri can easily be scum together as well as individually.Conq you can't reread past role-related reasons. It's still nonsensical to go from 'read posts and will love forever' to 'DIE THE DEATH THE EQUALIZER IS THE DEATH'. I seriously want to know why Bard is pretty much ignoring everything he said before even in his explanation about why Zakeri = hate. Keep in mind that I think Zakeri looks scummy on his own, as obviously do a number of people. It's opportunistic to change your mind about a clear that you have 'evidence' for like that.
It's true that Dan's claim has pretty much been the only thing he's done this game. We're getting close to the point where if he's gonna get lynched it needs to be sooneer then later: I think with these numbers even tomorrow might set off the numbers too far. Dan, what do you think about taking one for the team today?
Conq you can't reread past role-related reasons. It's still nonsensical to go from 'read posts and will love forever' to 'DIE THE DEATH THE EQUALIZER IS THE DEATH'. I seriously want to know why Bard is pretty much ignoring everything he said before even in his explanation about why Zakeri = hate. Keep in mind that I think Zakeri looks scummy on his own, as obviously do a number of people. It's opportunistic to change your mind about a clear that you have 'evidence' for like that.
Shadoweh, you seem to be angered at me for not adressing the criticisms in your post.
I have a defence and it has already been posted: my reads are crap. Ta-dah. Instead of attempting to nitpick on your arguments to draw away attention from that fact, I thought it more productive to re-read the entire thread and come up with a verdict on the Raitaki-Zakeri debate. It has been noted that I have readily mentioned that fact, yet you demand to see me squabble in vain anyway.
If I weren't clearly a thrid-party jester I'd probably vote you for that.I just saw this and I'm
you are too smart for your own good.???
Since everybody is considering Chaotick the obligatory newbie, I'm working under the assumption that this isn't Raitaki's first game.1. I went over this when I deconstructed Dormio's case; how was Raitaki cheerleading the Raikaria wagon? He stated a preference for Raikaria over Bardiche if the choice came up at the end of the day, while supporting another wagon he wanted to lynch.
1. Even if the Battery drains at an alarming rate, there was still more than 50% left when he checked the gauge. I somehow doubt that you can attribute his cheerleading Raikaria as "just going for consolidation".
2. I'm having trouble understanding why Raitaki's case against me is still valid a. On day 2, and b. when it's the only read he's provided besides Shadoweh (Obsolete) and ActionDan (safe option).
3. The C.C. thing still reads weird to me, because when I first saw it, I parsed it as the mod voting. I will admit I've only seen one or two episodes of Code Geass and didn't realize that C.C. was a character, but I agree with Nameless that I think the assumption has more to do with role related reasons.
Also, I'm going to preemptively admit that I'm ignoring Chaotick, Dr. Rawr, and Hero999 because they weren't on the Dormio wagon, and see no reason to do so unless they are a major consolidation wagon, or if someone comes out with role-based evidence for why Raitaki can't be mafia.Why would not being on the Dormio wagon exclude those people (this is ignoring that rawr actually was on the dormio wagon), most importantly Chaotick, who unvoted sometime before the end of the day and wasn't on any of the wagons? This statement is tantamount to saying "I'm going ignore certain people who may or may not be scum until Raitaki is confirmed not mafia," which is just mindboggling if you're town. I mean what.
IHNN, the case on Zakeri is that he puts out lots of words but in the end his case on Raitaki boils down to "his case on me sucks" (I realize this is somewhat rectified by his latest update) and beyond the Raitaki case he doesn't have any substantiated scumreads.
1. I went over this when I deconstructed Dormio's case; how was Raitaki cheerleading the Raikaria wagon? He stated a preference for Raikaria over Bardiche if the choice came up at the end of the day, while supporting another wagon he wanted to lynch.
2. Can't really say anything about this since Raitaki went V/LA soon after he promised content
3. Given that this game was explicitly stated not to be a bastard mod, I don't see how you could parse that as the mod voting...a player vote is one of the few logical conclusions so ?_?
Why would not being on the Dormio wagon exclude those people (this is ignoring that rawr actually was on the dormio wagon), most importantly Chaotick, who unvoted sometime before the end of the day and wasn't on any of the wagons? This statement is tantamount to saying "I'm going ignore certain people who may or may not be scum until Raitaki is confirmed not mafia," which is just mindboggling if you're town. I mean what.
IHNN, the case on Zakeri is that he puts out lots of words but in the end his case on Raitaki boils down to "his case on me sucks" (I realize this is somewhat rectified by his latest update) and beyond the Raitaki case he doesn't have any substantiated scumreads. IHNN, why do you think Raitaki is scum?I kind of see Zakeri's Raitaki case as "look he's scum for this wait he's also scum for these other reasons (as of his previous post, which sort of made me stop waffling on him)". Though hist latest post doesn't remedy the no other scum reads thing...
How come when i selfvote everyone thinks im scum but when actiondan selfvotes everyone avoids it like AIDS :wat:
##Vote: Actiondan
I posted something then DATABASE ERROR.Notepad, people. There's absolutely no reason not to be using it.
I leaning town on Chaotik for his recent analysis post if anything, but not onvinced and would lynch him over the above.Explain for me:
Raitaki has been arguing with Zakeri, and cheerleading my lynch D1 mostly. Not done much of substance. However, I do think Zakeri is town, so my opinion of him is low.
However, out of these 5, one of them isn't so much floundering, but instead always seems to be pushing on people I read town. As a result, it's him that I think is most likely to be scum out of this lot. Not to mention the suspicions most other people have against him, which I'm not gonna waste time just repeating.
Not being on the Dormio wagon doesn't exclude them from being scum. I just feel mafia are more likely to be on that wagon. I'd understand you being angry with me if this were later in the game, though, but I don't want to burn myself out chasing everybody at the same time. Also, I'm not including Rawr because his vote only came as the result of Raitaki misvoting.So, for the purposes of wagon analysis, you're looking at Raitaki over rawr because of the deadline vote? You of all people should know that consolidation votes like that at the very end of the day are largely dependent on who's online at the time. Seems like a rather arbitrary way to use wagon analysis. Also, I could understand being "burned out" if this were a 21 player game or something, but it's 13 players and you've talked about only Raitaki for most of the day. Chaotick's position at the end of day one, for instance, was much the same as Raitaki's; what distinguishes the two that you'd look at one but not the other? Right now you're just using the wagon as an excuse to not comment on other people.
I kind of see Zakeri's Raitaki case as "look he's scum for this wait he's also scum for these other reasons (as of his previous post, which sort of made me stop waffling on him)". Though hist latest post doesn't remedy the no other scum reads thing...The fact that he keeps on pulling out reasons that he didn't provide in the first place should be a red flag; he keeps pulling out new points after his previous ones get shot down because he has no scumspects other than Raitaki and he knows he can't convincing push a mislynch on anyone else. I've pointed out why Zakeri's points don't hold water. But you didn't answer my question. Why do you think Zakeri is town?
Personally, I think Raitaki is scum partly due to the modvote (for lack of a better term) and his reaction to it and aside from that, gut. I'm going to trust it on Raitaki because D2 I haven't failed to read him yet, though if his content massively improves I might just chalk it up to external factors.The modvote is still stupid but whatever. What about his reaction is scummy about it? And why does this make his the best choice for lynch today? Today all you've done is go oh hey Raitaki vote and then eh maybe I'll switch to Raitaki and now you've gone back to Raitaki again for ??? reasons.
though if his content massively improvesYou know he requested replacement and the mod gave him V/LA instead, right? What the fuck are you expecting?
Explain for me:
1) how Chaotik's conclusionless analysis post makes you lean town on him.
2) how Raitaki was cheeleading your D1 lynch
3) Why you think Zakeri is town
4) what are the suspicions that other people have against Raitaki that you speak of, because I think I've done a pretty good job addressing them and the fact that you just handwave them as not worth repeating is :colonveeplusalpha:
That said, I'll support a Raikaria lynch if the battery gets pretty low and no one else nominates a preferable lynch candidate, but I'd prefer letting him live. It's better for us newbies to get more time in the game to get more experience playing after all.
And I don't think Raikaria is scummy, but at the moment Raikaria and Bard are the only ones with people actually wanting to push a lynch on. As for Bard this kind of logicstaredown isn't uncommon for MotK mafia so I don't find him scummy either, and despite me not wanting to resort to lynching any newbies D1, unless Raikaria looks like town, Bard starts acting scummy or another lynch candidate appears I'd still prefer a Raikaria lynch over a Bard one.
No, I wasn't finding him town, I was talking about how him pouncing on Raikaria was not too out of place unlike what Serela said about it being suspicious. To clarify, I find both Raikaria and Bard are null, but between those two I'd prefer a Raikaria lynch.
Raitaki, could you please restate your case on me since it's a new day? All you really have against me that's left over from day one (as I understand) is that I only gave a handful of town reads and didn't explicitly state my dissatisfaction with Hero999 (the person I was voting for.) Also, Is there anyone else you're suspicious of? I notice you decided to stick by saying Raikaria and Bardiche are both Null-tells for you despite saying you're rather lynch Raikaria between them.
Raitaki: right now I think you're most likely to be behind the C.C. vote. I also think the person behind it is very likely scum. This is reflected in where my vote is.
So, for the purposes of wagon analysis, you're looking at Raitaki over rawr because of the deadline vote? You of all people should know that consolidation votes like that at the very end of the day are largely dependent on who's online at the time.Wow, I've never seen someone say something so stupid for the sole sake of making me look bad.
The fact that he keeps on pulling out reasons that he didn't provide in the first place should be a red flag; he keeps pulling out new points after his previous ones get shot down because[...]I had those points before, they just didn't happen to be written down in a public place, apparently. Ugh, I know that sounds shit, but you make it sound like I'm pulling random shit out of my ass that isn't even valid.
Dan is a bad lynch today because I'm fairly sure at least one of Zakeri and Chaotick is scum, and failing that even a Raitaki lynch is better because then maybe you people will finally listen to me.After rereading stuff I'm inclined to agree somewhat
I'm confused now.this. this so much. this game is giving me a headache trying to figure it out.
Also, I've been trying to give out my reads on Bardiche, Dan
Conqueror looks like a herder of mafia players, trying to convince everyone to play the game in a game where everyone is determined to go WHEEEE~~!
WHEEEEE~!You're doing it wrong.
The reason I haven't explained my Bardiche case is because the only real thing I can hold against him (that isn't a gut feeling) is the fact that he was the chokepoint in deciding whether Dormio or Raitaki got lynched at the end of the day.
[...]
I'd rather not follow through with my Consolidation dance claim anyways, since it's a sleepy-stupor, roundabout way of just saying that I had a gut feeling that Bardiche might not be as genuine as he wanted those posts to read like.
I realize my case on Raitaki is shit, and I've been rereading him over and over to find a way to present everything neatly, but I'm having trouble finding new issues to address with it besides the fact that he's pushing a weak case on me. Of course, I'd love to point at the fact that he hasn't produced anything else, but that doesn't look like it's going to stand up to his absence.
I have no name is having a nap now.I have no name wakes up.
To add to that, I feel like Chaotick and Rawr are both becoming easier to read as the game progresses (even though I still haven't read Rawr yet) And I feel like Chaotick's play has the chance to improve if he's given the opportunity. Dan feels like he's planning on remaining ambiguous for the rest of the game, and I already don't want him near lylo to begin with.
Sigh...if its between Dormio or Raitaki.
Overall contributes Raitaki did more than Dormio ever did this day.
However, Raitaki's extreme support for Raikaria's lynch through Bard is suspicious as hell.
...But then dormio never really did much aside from that...
...Oh right that vote on Zakeri was weird as fuck.Sheep
##Unvote
##Vote Raitaki
@Serela: Words.
The Phonepost from school votecount
SirChaotick (3) - Hero999, Shadoweh, C.C.
Zakeri (3) - Raitaki, Bardiche, Conq
Raitaki (1) - SirChaotick
ActionDan (4) - DrRawr, Zakeri, Raikaria, IHNN
Bardiche (1) - Serela
Not Voting - ActionDan
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Shadoweh, you seem to be angered at me for not adressing the criticisms in your post.And somehow this only makes me more angry and likely to sit on your face. If you're town have a little backbone. You keep saying this thing that makes me want to vote someone else on instinct though.
I have a defence and it has already been posted: my reads are crap. Ta-dah. Instead of attempting to nitpick on your arguments to draw away attention from that fact, I thought it more productive to re-read the entire thread and come up with a verdict on the Raitaki-Zakeri debate. It has been noted that I have readily mentioned that fact, yet you demand to see me squabble in vain anyway.
Dan is a jester!-.- NO. If he were a jester I'm sure someone would have an advance warning of a jester in the game. Or a dayshot that worked against third parties or something. It was a simple answer to a question. He sounds more like he's giving up actually, he doesn't get crazy-weird as a townie. Dan did you get the third party role this game? I'd say come clean but we both know everyone would try to lynch you anyways even if you did. <_<
Also, stop using green IHNN :Vi typed 6 random numbers into the color tag and it came out green and my favorite color is green and I didn't see the edited in rule
i typed 6 random numbers into the color tag and it came out green and my favorite color is green and I didn't see the edited in rule
also Dan why would LyLo be the best time to have you.
serela is obv-town.serela is only obvtown by meta; his posts are fairly terrible
for ever voting serela when serela is obv-town.
I'm fairly sure Serela has never been THIS useless. Can anyone anywhere link to an instance where Serela has literally voteparked the entire day without ever producing a case under the excuse of "lol werds r hard how do i expres self"? Because no one can seriously be that inept.Not an exact example, since there were no votes, but remember http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12897.0.html ?
Will get to Zak's post later, but in a gist his entire defense of Chaotick is full enough of vague platitudes that you could apply it to Raitaki as well.I honestly don't know what more you'd want from me. The best I could do is put up links to all of the posts where Chaotick said that he's only half finished with his analysis, along with triple linking and putting in bold the post where he directly responds to you with his off the top of his head reads when you demanded them. The best you have from Raitaki is a reason to completely drop out of day 2.
Am I the only scum in the game? Is there some ulterior reason that you stubbornly cling to a case you can't put into words instead of spending your time useful and trying to lynch the other scums if you're so convinced I'm scum based on my ED1 case?You either aren't reading my posts or are too set in your rage to interpret them correctly is basically all I have to say to this because it's not true :T And I'm resummarizing reasons on you anyway so that deals with part of this.
I honestly don't know what more you'd want from me. The best I could do is put up links to all of the posts where Chaotick said that he's only half finished with his analysis, along with triple linking and putting in bold the post where he directly responds to you with his off the top of his head reads when you demanded them. The best you have from Raitaki is a reason to completely drop out of day 2.They both promised content and both haven't delivered, whether because of schoolwork or V/LA or whatever. If Raitaki was here I'd have questioned him for the same and I'm sure he would have provided. Right now, he apparently can't produce at all, and I'm kinda annoyed at PX for not allowing the replacement when it would clear a lot of stuff up. My point is that you're drawing a distinction that isn't there. How is Chaotic's apparent frustration at getting reads townier than Raitaki's apparent frustration at getting reads? Is it because Chaotic posts more? The AtE?
I'd be willing to listen to Raitaki, and maybe even admit I'm wrong if he would produce something.
Also, Apparently I'm scum now because I improved my reads and play as a result of people voting me. Town would never do that, ever.No, you're scum for the other reasons. I was refuting Serela's point about you stepping up your play making you town. >___________>
Trust me, Bardiche, I've seen what not playing mafia looks like. I'm in a game on another site where nobody plays mafia.
the only use this role has.Explain how, because I don't see it.
is to get lynched in mylo. in which case at least one scum will get outed
I want to use the what the hell is wrong with you card. Why would you 'counterclaim' someone with a role you don't have and make it look like lynching you is the worst thing ever? As someone who was trying extra hard for that I think you would have suggested it yourself if you were being serious about this instead of trying to protect yourself. This doesn't sound like the Dan who wants to break the game open at all.
I think a vig does make sense actually so etc
Hora hora.
Well. This is annoying. You just beat down that silly goddess and were about toenforce ownership overconsummate your marriage with that silly hero, and now...well...hmm. You're hungry. In more ways than one. Time to entertain yourself.
Welcome ActionDan to the World of C. You are Alipheese Fateburn XVI (Monmusu Quest), also known as Alice, looking for something to entertain yourself.
You are the Town Monster Lord.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Passive ??【Death of the Monster Lord??】 - Should you fall, whether during the day or night, your death will have such a big impact that everyone will be busy celebrating for the next day phase and night phase and be unable to perform any actions or abilities.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods.
I want to sleep and blow my nose. Screw you guys and your night killing.
Wait.. night killing! Conq is mafia for trying to kill the night! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
you sound like colin from whose line is it anyway.Well he IS Canadian.
##Vote: ConquerorNaegi is a lamer.
IHNN in particular seems like he just got a gut feeling when I reacted to the C.C. vote, added another gut with that then decided I'm scummy and then managed to talk himself into it :<yeah pretty much in hindsight. still don't have a good gut read on you but don't have to look for any concrete reasons so it looks like you survive another day at least
ANY ACTIONS TAKEN DURING NIGHT 2 AND DAY 3 WILL BE BLOCKED NO MATTER WHATRai, I know it's hard to read but you probably didn't get anything last night.
He's claimed vig with limited selection that, in some form, expands as the game goes on. I don't see what's weird about how he's used it, especially considering that not using a vig n1 isn't even abnormal, especially so when you can't choose a preferred target.ffs Serela DON'T ANSWER FOR ZAKERI
Although I guess you didn't actually say it's weird. It seems sort of implied though by the demand. If Zak thinks he shouldn't explain how he gets more targets I don't care because it could affect him getting targets. He'd know best though, seeing as he's the one who actually knows how it works.
Also if anyone suggests lynching Zak today in a serious manner uh no. You don't lynch claimed one-shot vigs before they get a chance to use it, unless you have a really good reason to believe they're lying.
I'm going to fakeclaim beloved princess because my role makes it so that I'd rather not die. Except that I'll lurk and play really minimalistically so that people will think my fakeclaim is a scum gambit. Then I'll self-hammer when the guy I think is scum is the competing counter-wagon so that I'll fuck up all the town power roles for N2 and D3 because that's super good for town right??????????All the people who went OH THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO LYNCHING DAN NOW THAT HE'S CLAIMED are proof that no one is playing the game and you're all floating around based on ~*good feelings etc*~
Also, pretty platinum mad at how the Dan lynch yesterday ended up.All the people who went OH THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO LYNCHING DAN NOW THAT HE'S CLAIMED are proof that no one is playing the game and you're all floating around based on ~*good feelings etc*~Even though I wasn't on the final wagon I still found him pretty suspicious and thought his claim(s) were a scum gambit. Though what happened happened and let's try to get the scum this day. It's essentially like Dan was the N1 kill at this point, which puts us...exactly where we'd usually be D2, but instead of a scummy and a townie player dead we're down 2 scummy players, which I think puts us ahead of an average D2.
I want Hero to do something, until then he's scum until proven town.That's not how the game works; the burden of proof is on you. Who would be scum with Hero and for what reasons?
Actually scratch that Hero is a bucket of useless who posted 3 times d2 of mostly completely pointless.This is only scummy if Chaotick is town. So Serela, why is Chaotick town?
Like, he had a tiny blurb on Chaotick of super easy case and made a little response to something Chaotic said later. And then his third post is basically "by the way I'm too confused to have any opinions so :words:"
##Vote Hero
That's not how the game works; the burden of proof is on you. Who would be scum with Hero and for what reasons?The thing is Hero has done basically squat. How is that town motivated? I'll look at his posts more in detail but I still want to lynch half the playerbase :ohdear:
Who would be scum with Hero and for what reasons?This is also kind of weird. I mean, yeah, you're right about the burden of proof thing, but hunting for buddies on someone who hasn't flipped scum is still kind of silly.
Conq:Well he kind of ~*~already explained~*~ his role? The only thing he did not claim is exactly how his list expands. Seriously.>_____________________>
And conq, Dan's lynch WAS perfectly non-painful for town after he claimed. His role makes it so that scum don't get any night actions including an NK. It's almost like extending d2. And he himself was useless to the point of being nothing more then a minor distraction. You'd have to explain to me why it would be BAD for town in order for me to possibly see a reason.Anyway, if you people had read Dormio's flip, you'd realize that certain town power roles have certain functions that can only act on certain nights. So you can see how Dan's stunt could have fucked over multiple people. But whatever.
This is also kind of weird. I mean, yeah, you're right about the burden of proof thing, but hunting for buddies on someone who hasn't flipped scum is still kind of silly.This question is mostly because IHNN is all over the place and I have no idea where his reads are.
...a Zak/Chaotick pairing? What have they done to make you think they're buddies together?And to clarify, this is not "Why do you think they're scum" and more "Why do you think they're scum together" with emphasis on the last word
Oh noes Shadoweh is threatening to kill me! What ever shall I do!?I want a claim.Besides even if you do take me down with you, it wouldn't matter much because I doubt my capability to use my role effectively~
Who would be scum with Hero and for what reasons?Hero has barely interacted with anyone at all, only ever really suspecting rawr and Chaotick. I don't know what to make of either of those connections.
And to clarify, this is not "Why do you think they're scum" and more "Why do you think they're scum together" with emphasis on the last word...Because I think they're both scum individually and they work well as scum together (especially given the hard defence both ways and how Zakeri pushed forward with a Dan lynch yesterday when it looked like Zak and Chaotic were the two other main wagons)? That plus I think a lot of other people look townie.
Also, I think you misinterpreted Dormio's role. Each day, he switched between being Battler and Beatrice. There isn't some seperate person who is Battler or whatnot, nor was his role only able to function on certain nights. You're kind of overreacting to Dan's role shenanigans :c::)
Honest question: are all mafia games here like this?Nope.
Rai, I know it's hard to read but you probably didn't get anything last night.
##Vote: Raikaria WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU IGNORING ME. WHY DO YOU HAVE NO READS.
Honest question: are all mafia games here like this? This is just such a damn mess. Not helping is the fact that I have to go in ten minutes. To school. AGAIN. Gah.1)No, last game everything was much clearer in my eyes, everything here is foggy as fuck.
Reading is getting extremely difficult. Right now, it seems like everyone is town. Either that or I have to inverse all of my reads and start attacking Zakeri, Serela and Conqueror as prime suspects.
I want a claim.
His D1 starts out with a few jokeposts, prods for content, the gem above, followed by getting suspicious" and answering the few questions sent his way in one line. His last post of D1 is merely saying Chaotick isn't going to be around (speaking of which, Chaotick, reads, now/whenever you show up).
D2. Complains about people using this forum for not!mafia happenings (hi), agrees with role shenanigans pointing to Raitaki behind the C.C. vote. Disagrees with finding Bard scum with nothing to back it up, comments that ActionDan and himself might as well not exist. He also votes Chaotick for only following up on people D1 while sort of acknowledging that he [Hero] has less content than Chaotick.
2nd post. Withdraws his earlier rawr scumread (from D1, his vote was due to a prod for content despite rawr having a lot of content) {hey rawr, IIRC you haven't done much lately [i.e. LD2], where are you}. Uses Shadoweh's arguments/points for backing up his Chaotick vote when confronted by him, then asks Raikaria to stop talking about C.C.
My main problem thus far is that he holds most of the reasons he's voting other people (including springboarding off of someone else to back up his Chaotick vote). He went 27 hours between his 2nd and 3rd D2 posts.
Summary:
rants at Dan, admits to having no opinions, doesn't want to vote Zakeri, asking Serela for *reasons*, repeats what Conq said about Chaotick's post by post information dump, then says posting is too much effort and cuts the post "because my head is going to wifom theories".
So, his D2 is utterly lacking and exhibits many, if not all, of the traits that other people are being voted for.
This is sort of a ramble!post but I think it explains why I want Hero dead.
Hero has barely interacted with anyone at all, only ever really suspecting rawr and Chaotick. I don't know what to make of either of those connections.
Raikaikai you are not making sense to me and if you can't justify those reads given the claims going around I am going to kamikaze bomb your face into the thread.
Alright. Post by freaking post. Nothing shall escape me this time.
Raitaki#49: judges Raikaria as null, votes Hero for unexplained reason.
Zakeri#51: FoS on Shadoweh plus votes Hero for "frivolous attention throwing".
Acceptable for both seeing as they're hardly out of RvS. Wouldn't be otherwise.
Raitaki#52: judges Bardiche as overly aggressive towards Raikaria(which I agree with) while saying he isn't all that wrong.
However, I am still of the opinion that Raikaria's game-theory talk was a figment of RvS, which Bardiche readily jumped on for "not helping the game along", in spite of nothing so far having helped the game along.
Raitaki#55: talks a little about the battery being low and justifies Bard as a classic Bard logicstaredown.
Once again I disagree since I'm of the opinion that Bard's logic was wrong anyway.
Raitaki#57-58: clarifies a little, then says he'd prefer a Raikaria lynch.
Eh? Why? I can't see how Bard doing his usual thing clears his faulty logic.
Zakeri#99: comments on Shadoweh being third-party for not having an agenda to lynch people(presumably because she doesn't vote), then asks Raikaria for clarifications. Nothing wrong with this one. Although I do have to comment on Shadoweh's post there being so abominable, but I surmise it's not too relevant anymore.
#103: thanks Raikaria. Okay...
Small interruption: I can not see how everyone at this point is nodding at Bard's logic.
#109: defends the claimers from Hero with logic. Sensible logic at that. Except for the part where he says that ActionDan was concerned with IHNN's role - I don't think that was the case.
Raitaki#115: criticizes Zakeri on: why Raikaria would be regarded as town(in spite of Raikaria's logic being correct), why he says Dan is concerned(which is valid) and how he's only examining three people... in spite of those people being the most interesting at that point. At least Shadoweh and Dan were the biggest suspects at that time. 1-2 for Zakeri there. Then proceeds to agree on Shadoweh(correct) and mentioning how bad Dan's play is(correct).
...I sacrificed my morning, now it's school time. Next episode to be expected in eight hours when I get back + homework.
2) I need to find reasons to disagree? weee. No I just never saw how bard is scum. Your posts don't do anything to convince me either.You never gave any reasons why Bard wasn't scum, which did nothing to convince me otherwise. Fair point on the other one.
3) Why the fuck do people take the slashes so seriously. If you are seriously saying I don't exist I'll slap you.For a majority of D2, you essentially didn't exist. Chaotick has at least been trying, even if he's been going about it the wrong way (which is why I want to lynch him and it's a different reason than why I want to lynch you). Rawr was contributing to discussion, and he had a lot more content than you did at the time.
4) In what way do I have less content than Chaotick?
5) IN what way did DrRawr have alot of content at the time?
6) What the fuck? I don't even. In what way was I using that post to back up my vote? I was pointing to Shadoweh's post because it explains what townies should be doing in mafia in the first place. So how do you see me using that to support my vote on Chaotick. How and where do you see Chaotick actually CONFRONT me? He was AtE the whole damn time so how did he actually confront me when he wasn't even posting things we can really fucking use?My interpretation of events. I'm not going to condone lynching Chaotick right now. It read as lazy play to me.
8 )... I specifically said "I don't have any motivation to vote him aside from the fact that most of my town reads are on him"....which is a really confusing statement
If I use meta, IHNN should most likely be scum, because when I compare him this game to what I remember of him in other games, he was most definitely more concise and less flipfloppy than this game. But since meta usually doesn't even matter~If you want to see what I play as as scum go look at SYWTBTT. Also I think I already claimed. In...my first post of the game.
How about this I claim now, and you claim right after Kay? I'm claiming now.
Inb4 someone called OMGUSblatant OMGUS :V
I can Watch someone, and if they die I don't know who killed the person, or Track who watches this person and if he went anywhere.Can you please clarify what exactly these mean? Because I don't even. Sorry if it sounds like I'm being dumb. (I am dumb a decent amount of the time!)
Before I respond I'm going to say that everything I posted was paraphrasing/my interpretation of your posts/intent.1) Mhm, sure
You never gave any reasons why Bard wasn't scum, which did nothing to convince me otherwise. Fair point on the other one.
For a majority of D2, you essentially didn't exist.
Chaotick has at least been trying, even if he's been going about it the wrong way (which is why I want to lynch him and it's a different reason than why I want to lynch you).
Rawr was contributing to discussion, and he had a lot more content than you did at the time.
My interpretation of events. I'm not going to condone lynching Chaotick right now. It read as lazy play to me.
...which is a really confusing statement
If you want to see what I play as as scum go look at SYWTBTT.
Also I think I already claimed. In...my first post of the game.blatant OMGUS :V
Okay so if you watch someone, you watch them but if they die you don't get a result, and if you track someone it targets someone who watches them and then...But then again maybe I'm just being silly.
OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU CLAIMING HERO. In actuality it's probably just watcher/tracker where he doesn't get results if his watch target is killed (So that he doesn't have cop-tier power) but jeez the way he words it.
I'm kind of tempted to say it's BS just because his wording makes no fucking sense, and if he actually had this role his explanation probably be understandable because he wouldn't be making it up.
I mean, there's a difference between paraphrasing your role pm (Which is kind of hard to screw up into a way that makes no sense) and making something up under pressure and not getting it properly fact-checked (It's easy to miss messups.)
Townies:@Raikaria: Here, it clearly says that you have people who you consider scum. Now here is the problem, I do not see your vote on either of them. Why so?
Me, Shadoweh, Conq, Bard, IHNN, Chaotik
Can't make my mind up:
Serela, Rawr, Hero [Lack of content]
One of these two is probably scum
Zakeri, Raitaki
@Raikaria: Here, it clearly says that you have people who you consider scum. Now here is the problem, I do not see your vote on either of them. Why so?
I don't remember because the only game I recall him playing anytime recently is swordgirls anonymafia :cWell that explains your bias. How about the recently finished Kamen Rider Mafia (he was DiEnd, you were scum)? I think his play here lines up with his play from that game; I'd have to reread to make sure but Hero makes a lot less sense when he's scum; in this game I feel like he's actually thinking through his reads. Also, I don't see the way he claimed as awkward at all aside from the fact that he claimed so early; I imagine that's just because he's pissed.
...If we are going to start talking about roles, I'm going to assume at the moment shadoweh's role isn't working due to Dan.
And I feel that there is a really really large hole in that plan Conq.
You are wrong there, Shadoweh's role is working.Look at Dan's role
You are wrong there, Shadoweh's role is working.Dan's death roleblocked everyone for this /\day/\ period too.
Look at Dan's role
Now read it.
Now look at the time effective.
And I feel that there is a really really large hole in that plan Conq.Is the hole is that either you (suspected by a lot of people) or Zak (I think he's scum) die? I don't think that's a hole at all; prevents us from having to use a lynch on one of you.
also where did bard go :[
That probably means she's Scum, actually. Shadoweh normally is all about being Townie and inspiring people to be Townie and now she's passively sitting back and doing nothing, lurking even. tl;dr Shadoweh's done some scummy shit so let's lynch her....huh that's pretty true
I can still follow in on it.icwutudidthar
It's called school, a date, and homework, in that order.putting that in reverse sounds 100x more cooler
Rather annoyed with Serela still producing no cases, rather unmotivated to play this game overmuch because only Conqueror, Raikaria and SirChaotick have put in an appreciable amount of effort so far and even Shadoweh has reduced herself to shitposting.What, I haven't put effort in? Any perceived lack of content is due to my internet being a pain.
That probably means she's Scum, actually. Shadoweh normally is all about being Townie and inspiring people to be Townie and now she's passively sitting back and doing nothing, lurking even. tl;dr Shadoweh's done some scummy shit so let's lynch her.
I'm actually Light Yamagi, Town God of a New World. My goal is to use my death note and vote to kill the Gold, Silver, and Bronze swimming Medalist from the Beijing Olympicsi stopped reading here
putting that in reverse sounds 100x more coolerOrder that in: Homework, and date a school called Sti.
Hero's role claim looks legit, no counterclaims from any other tracker/watcher types, blah blah blah, dropping scum read against him.actually bardiche claimed something yesterday(we just dont know), but seeing as he didnt mention it i guess not after heros claim i guess not
That's like the mod going "ok you're a vig but you can't shoot unless someone does this then you can do this then you can shoot them...HEY LOOK FINALLY SOMEONE DID IT YOU WANNA SHOOT?" "Okay =3". That is the most anti-town vig ever, a lot more likely to kill townies than normal vigs, but instead rely on people posting role name which scum will fake anyways if they get something obviously evil.The way Zakeri claimed his role, it looked like he killed based on the role name alone, not the actual role. Townies have next to no reasons to fake that, and there might be someone who hints at their role flavor too (Dormio did so like literally his first post). My reasoning is that if scum gets a role that is obviously 100% evil with no good sides ever (like say Frederica Bernkastel or infested Sarah Kerrigan), they'd have tried faking their role name, so townies are a lot more likely to leak their role names and become a possible target for the death note than scum.
@Shadoweh: Ever since I saw Zakeri's Light Yagami role claim, it got me thinking about Dan's Alipheese and Dormio's Beatrice roles, and I've decided to drop my C.C. = Lelouch = scum line of thinking completely.why? also does this mean you think zakeris role is a town role?
Also, after reading Zakeri's posts and with my role in hand I'd probably be willing to die for him. ♥ very sexier person, no must lynch or make very sad Baron Vladmu, who is Baron of Sexy♥♥ and know when person not sexy♥♥.This was Bard! Almost exactly 24 hours later, he rereads Zak and suddenly Zak is his biggest scumread. Since then, his attention to previous scumread rawr has been ~*~completely dropped~*~ off the radar, and...
exactly how many cops do you think are in this game?uh, dormio?
Shadoweh (6) - Conq, IHNN, Bardiche, Raikaria, C.C., Raitaki
Dormio (2) - ActionDan, Serela
Hero999 (3) - Zakeri, DrRawr, Shadoweh
Raitaki (1) - Dormio
DrRawr (1) - Hero999
Not Voting - SirChaotick
SirChaotick (3) - Hero999, Shadoweh, C.C.
Zakeri (3) - Raitaki, Bardiche, Conq
Raitaki (1) - SirChaotick
ActionDan (4) - DrRawr, Zakeri, Raikaria, IHNN
Bardiche (1) - Serela
Not Voting - ActionDan
@Raikaria: Why do you feel the need to base so much of your content on C.C.? because holyshit you are like the only one to continuously talk about C.C. this C.C that. Why the hell are you trying to make us all focus on that specific point. What is your goal of continuously telling us this?why do you love C.C. so much and not me?
Missed out that it could be Rawr too in the pool of 'never voting alongside C.C and I don't have a town read'.no? cause then that could apply to anyone in the game
The vote is on Chaotik. If we assume it is a scum vote, this makes Chaotik town.Since Chaotick wasn't actually in serious danger of being lynched this is a bit of an overreaction. But he's probably town anyway, so.
Wait what, when was C.C. there on Chaotick's wagon.Right after it evaporated.
Wait what, when was C.C. there on Chaotick's wagon.
Suspicious denial of knowledge, considering This Post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13512.msg894601.html#msg894601), which shows of all people ACTIONDAN noticed.... You know you sound more like you are seeing what you want to see. So apparently whatever I say won't mean anything to you anymore However, I will like to point out you specifically said
SirChaotick (3) - Hero999, Shadoweh, C.C.
Zakeri (3) - Raitaki, Bardiche, Conq
Raitaki (1) - SirChaotick
ActionDan (4) - DrRawr, Zakeri, Raikaria, IHNN
Bardiche (1) - Serela
So by your logic I should not count.
I can't kill using people's usernames, I have to kill you by your Role names. If I get any of it wrong, I can't kill the person I attempted to murder anymore for the rest of the game.I don't get the bolded, since from what you said and quoted from your Actiondan shoot attempt you only submit role name and not username. So when you missed, did PX tell you that you couldn't shoot actiondan anymore or what? If you aim for someone like Sailor Uranus, (Sailor Moon), Magical Girl, how does PX draw a connection between your kill target and the person you're theoretically targeting without giving you information on the setup? Also, PX not allowing Monmusu Quest for Monster Girl Quest is pretty wtf is true.
I tried to shoot ActionDan night one, but it failed due to misspelling. I put
Deathnote: Alipheese Fateburn XVI, (Monster Girl Quest), Monster Lord
But I apparently got it wrong because it was
Deathnote: Alipheese Fateburn XVI, (Monmusu Quest), Monster Lord
Just in case anyone wanted to know how completely useless my role is.
Serela do you actually have a reason for thinking Hero is still scum....has everything I said about him today suddenly been invalidated or something? :I No, it hasn't.
Also I realize the silliness of voting Hero when the plan is for Zak to try to just kill Hero at night instead. With more thinking, this is indeed a good line of action. If it doesn't work, at least one of them is lying. That's pretty nice info!(for clarification, there's also the supposed-to-be-obvious "and if Hero dies, hooray, we likely were going to lynch him anyway so that's great too")
IHNN am I like, totally missing something here?I was just stating the plan given earlier as I remembered it.
The Twentieth Votecount (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpt9oO7rX-M) - Struggle Against These Holy Chains
Hero999 (3) - Serela, IHNN, Raikaria
Zakeri (2) - Raitaki, Bardiche
Not Voting - Everybody Else
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
|||||||||||||||| 30%
So yeah, I'm gonna be at my brother's OTHER wedding tomorrow, so huhwhat shall be doing the votecounts etc blah.
Wait, you were there @_@
This is what I get for posting at 2am in the morning after watching the LoL world championships.
Still, the knee-jerk reaction and the denial of knowing just now are still suspicious.
Still, for now I'll ##Unvote and think over this more. 2am isn't the time to be heavy thinking.
Play DotA instead
Also, in order to prevent the catastrophe caused during the deathnote series, I also need your occupation, Age, Sex, and Vehicle's License Registration. If I get any of it wrong, I can't kill the person I attempted to murder anymore for the rest of the game.
The reason I lied about my character name was due to paranoia generated by my role, but it was kind of stupid to think someone else would have a role like mine. Also, the reason I lied about the one-shot was because It felt like I'd only be able to shoot once this game.
I tried to shoot ActionDan night one, but it failed due to misspelling. I put
Deathnote: Alipheese Fateburn XVI, (Monster Girl Quest), Monster Lord
But I apparently got it wrong because it was
Deathnote: Alipheese Fateburn XVI, (Monmusu Quest), Monster Lord
Just in case anyone wanted to know how completely useless my role is.
Also even if Zak -somehow- isn't scum, now that he's claimed scum would just shut up about their true role names anyway so he's basically a 100% anti-town killing role now. Why not just off him and get this over with except if someone steps up and claims they can get role names for Zak to use.
But everyone isn't -equally- scum, right? So why don't we just take a relative perspective at things and only call the scummiest ones scum? :awesome:
Also: How is Shadoweh confirmed Town again? Unless it was a roleclaim by someone who has since flipped Town there's no indication that Shadoweh is Town through any confirmations.
REMEMBER PEOPLE: UNLESS IT HAS FLIPPED GREEN IT IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN. ANY ROLE CLAIMS TO THE OPPOSITE ARE ONLY CONFIRMED TOWN WHEN THEY HAVE FLIPPED GREEN.
how the current argument between Bard/Raitaki pans out before I make up my mind.Um, what
It can't seriously just be because I said I needed a Vehicle's Registration License when literally no role has one of those, right?
To clearify, I need Character Name, Character Source, and Role Name (I don't need the alignment, thankfully.) Written exactly like I did in my example.
I have to kill you by your Role names. Also, in order to prevent the catastrophe caused during the deathnote series, I also need your occupation, Age, Sex, and Vehicle's License Registration. If I get any of it wrong, I can't kill the person I attempted to murder anymore for the rest of the game.
Nice job misrepping me by saying I'm pushing for the lynch of someone I think is town.
Also even if Zak -somehow- isn't scum, now that he's claimed scum would just shut up about their true role names anyway so he's basically a 100% anti-town killing role now. Why not just off him and get this over with except if someone steps up and claims they can get role names for Zak to use.
...Dumb as fuck.
Can you guys please quit trying to excuse things for others? If Zakeri flips Scum I'm lynching Chaotick afterwards.
So that's you."Let's lynch the scummiest people" suddenly becomes "Let's lynch townies" to Bard, what the fuck?
No Townie should ever argue in favour of lynching a Townie. That's fucked up and saying that we might as well lynch him regardless of his alignment is fucking Scummy.
##Vote: Raitaki
Why would you change your story? First it's by age, sex, occupation, rolename, now you turn 180 and it's by Role name, occupation, source. The point of a full claim is to claim everything fully and not lie or joke about parts of your role.This is already dealt with in his roleclaim itself, holy shit. He even provided an example of exactly how his role works, how could you be confused. Besides at "vehicle registration number" if you're taking it seriously then you should get out. Trying to call it a 180 when he explained it to a T is the most absurd thing I've seen this game.
Also even if Zak -somehow- isn't scum, now that he's claimed scum would just shut up about their true role names anyway so he's basically a 100% anti-town killing role now. Why not just off him and get this over with except if someone steps up and claims they can get role names for Zak to use.As lynching the person because they have an anti-town role even if they are town?
Note with how most of us have been thinking C.C. is a scumvote, scum can abuse this. WIFOM to the max.Which is why I'm only taking into account the vote on Shadoweh.
Note with how most of us have been thinking C.C. is a scumvote, scum can abuse this. WIFOM to the max.that was why I originally kept suspecting Shadoweh (because she's pretty horrible in terms of actual play)
I really want to know soon what Raikaria's exact reason for clearing you as town is anyway, just to make sure it's like, safe.
In another post Hero999 talks about DrRawr!
Can someone clearly state why they believe DrRawr is town again?
I'm looking him over again and I really really don't see it.
Yesterday I lost interest, but I look at it again and all I remember from DrRawr is questions, some blurbs here and there, and rage when pressured.
Note with how most of us have been thinking C.C. is a scumvote, scum can abuse this. WIFOM to the max.
Hero: because we know they can do that we can just treat it as another vote regardless of alignment of the votee. Chaotick might be WIFON, Shadoweh was almost definitely not.I know that, but fucking Raikaria,, just urgh!
Please ignore the sentence after Hero's 2nd quote. That was something I thought on first read, typed, re-read, then forgot to delete.
Except C.C almost hammered on Shadoweh, who is town. How on earth can you justify that as a town-sided voter?
Wow, You know what, fuck it all, I'm completely ignoring every single one of your posts.
Well maybe I wouldn't be pressing you so hard on it if you didn't do the knee-jerk reaction Day 2where was this?
where was this?
@Raikaria: Why do you feel the need to base so much of your content on C.C.? because holyshit you are like the only one to continuously talk about C.C. this C.C that. Why the hell are you trying to make us all focus on that specific point. What is your goal of continuously telling us this?why do you love C.C. so much and not me?
Also lynching Hero999 on the basis of CC is incredibly stupid
...
What?
I mean ...how the fuck?
Holy shit has anyone tell you are you are really really fucking irritating?
Stop painting my words in such a fucking way, because that is most definitely not what I mean.
I want to literally slap you right now. Fucking seriously.
...HOW THE FUCK AM I JUSTIFING C.C. AS A TOWN-SIDED VOTER!?
All I was fucking trying to say was that Scum can abuse the fucking mentality that we are having that C.C. is a scum-sided vote to vote themselves with it to get people off there fucking asses. Are you fucking serious Raikaria?
He's not even arguing because your accusations are conspiracy-theory grade
"Let's lynch the scummiest people" suddenly becomes "Let's lynch townies" to Bard, what the fuck?Raitaki is scummy for saying we should lynch Zakeri regardless of alignment. If Zakeri is Town we don't want to lynch him. Beforehand saying that "even if Zakeri is somehow not Scum we should still lynch him" is Scummy and everyone raging at me for that is being silly.
"Zak made one sentence with a super obvious joke. It makes sense that this would be in the flavor. But it's a joke, no matter how totally obvious, so we better LYNCH THE SHIT OUT OF HIM and start calling down heaven on anyone who comments"
because your case isnt convincing at all, im not even seeing how the reaction to your discussion of cc makes hero999 scummy at all.
I used this sort of logic against you earlierif that logic cant stick against one person, whats the chances of it sticking against another person? not to mention nobody agreed with it in the first place
-cut-if that logic cant stick against one person, whats the chances of it sticking against another person? not to mention nobody agreed with it in the first place
If I recall there was some support when I used it last time against you.thats because people were butthurt but got over it because it was a dumb reason to vote me for
And several people mentioned that my point on the 'kneejerk' was interesting this time.reaction baiting and basing cases on reactions i think is lazy and can potentially get a townie lynched for no good reasons. as per previous games(angel beats mafia)
Raikaria, is your confirmation on Shadoweh!town 100%?
On the other hand I'm not sure what makes you convinced Hero is the holder of the doublevote.
reaction baiting and basing cases on reactions i think is lazy and can potentially get a townie lynched for no good reasons. as per previous games(angel beats mafia)
Still not sure of Scum!Chaotick because of the D2 C.C vote, which we're 99% sure is a scum vote.As scum, I've contemplated post restricting (C7D) or voteblocking (MRM) my buddies for the town cred (and it's not uncommon to do so). If you're confirming Shadoweh as 100% town (even accounting for stuff like bus driver/redirector, framer/godfather, whatever weird role mix px can think up for a game with bastard elements), I'm taking the first use of the vote (on Shadoweh) as legit and the second use (on Chaotick) as potential WIFOM. In any case the C.C. vote really shouldn't factor in; feels like a null tell the way it was used, with Chaotick not even close to lynch at the time because the Zak and Dan wagons had more support.
As scum, I've contemplated post restricting (C7D) or voteblocking (MRM) my buddies for the town cred (and it's not uncommon to do so). If you're confirming Shadoweh as 100% town (even accounting for stuff like bus driver/redirector, framer/godfather, whatever weird role mix px can think up for a game with bastard elements), I'm taking the first use of the vote (on Shadoweh) as legit and the second use (on Chaotick) as potential WIFOM. In any case the C.C. vote really shouldn't factor in; feels like a null tell the way it was used, with Chaotick not even close to lynch at the time because the Zak and Dan wagons had more support.
Various reactions throughout the game. I've listed and linked to them before. If those don't convince you then I cannot convince you. Simple as that.
If you have anything solid to point to Hero being the holder of that vote that isn't up to multiple likely interpretations I'll be voting him right there with you. Until that time I just cannot see myself convinced to vote him for that reason - there may be other reasons but I admit I am lost on what they are.
Also, this attack is coming in at a pretty bad hour, namely that hour where you're likely to have to go to sleep within ten minutes. Blech.
At least if I get lynched in the night(the real one), I suppose my flip will provide clarity into matters. Not sure if I should claim in advance of getting mobbed.
That wouldn't help, because Zakeri might just vig you if you claim.
...maybe that needn't be a problem.
And no, I didn't come to a conclusion in the end: I abandoned the full reread since people(you included) were telling me not to.-.-
...maybe that needn't be a problem.he has a point. There's a lot of hypotheticals here so I'm not going to think too much into role shenanigans.
-.-
No, I meant that you didn't need to post the entire thing in the thread if you weren't going to come to any conclusions because it just clutters the thread. What did you get from the parts you did read?
rawr, why are you voting for Raitaki?because i think hes has a good chance of flipping scum
what about you?
idk, hes a newb who hasnt played the game before. what do you want from me?
Guh. If we're not lynching Bard.
##Vote Rawr
thats dumb
Honestly I don't care which of those three happens.youve been saying that for a majority of the game, stop it
i meant the part where you saidyouve been saying that for a majority of the game, stop it
Tomorrow though, I think it's important that we learn why Shadoweh is magically town to Raikaria.
Because she's playing abominably.
It wasn't too hard to clear her as town for Raikaria and the modvote on d2, but dear god, she practically does not exist. She's made like, one or two posts d2 and d3, and they were all highly insignificant.
Indeed, the name claim could be used as a role confirmation nightkill from Zakeri if you wish, but that means we lose two townies, plus any mafia nightkills. [If mafia even have a nightkilling role, I mean they haven't kills so far]Explain what you mean by this?
Explain what you mean by this?
Regardless of my sense of humour, Zakeri is contradicting himself in his claim. If you're going to hold that my lack of humour in this matter is scummy, you're welcome to try and lynch me for it. Go convince everyone that only scum could have taken Zakeri completely serious.
I'm thinking of a worst case scenario. If Rawr is town, and whoever we lynch in place of Rawr is town, we lose two townies. And then you throw in any nightkills from the mafia, and suddenly we have MYLO. [8 people, 3 of which are mafia]It's just strange that you'd pull up a hypothetical where rawr is town when you're voting rawr for being scum. :V Preemptively flipping people as town when they haven't yet is just really weird.
I've noticed that about Shadoweh though and honestly at this point wouldn't be sorry to see her go. This holds for most people playing though.
Which is why I'm only taking into account the vote on Shadoweh.
Town: Myself, Shadoweh, Raikaria, Conq
Hero: because we know they can do that we can just treat it as another vote regardless of alignment of the votee. Chaotick might be WIFON, Shadoweh was almost definitely not.
Shadoweh isn't playing like Shadoweh and so I'm a bit skeptical of your role-related proof Raikaria.
Was rereading IHNN because I can't remember him.My actual opinion is...when she posts it looks town but she's not playing like she usually does which makes me unsure of that read. The modvote swings towards town but I'm not sure no matter how much I look at it.
Uh so what's your actual opinion of Shadoweh? It's weird how you go from "Shadoweh is suspicious" to "the vote on Shadoweh was definitely not WIFOM" to "Shadoweh could be scum" again. Explain?
Rawr stop being suicidal.I AM A DOCTOR! YOU CAN NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO
Stop lynching Rawr. He's the only one who can get shot right now.Untrue! Hero can too.
(Or Bard but no one caaares.)I care but I'm too busy sheeping Shadoweh to sheep you are sheep my own case on hero
Raikaria: There have been two deaths. Having a town-directed or serial-killer-but-playing-along vig kill wouldd be a godsend. Zak should try to kill as many people as he can.Aye Aye, Captain.
Also in case anyone's wondering I blocked Zakeri N1.Wait what? Does this mean we didn't have to lynch Dan?
I remember somebody else saying that their role included losing an ID card.
My ID was stolen so no one can tell I'm town
Also, softclaiming time, with what evidence I have reasons to think that my night action might have gone through last night and produced results.Referring to this.
My action role blocks, and N2 everyone was role blocked, so it was true.i dont even
Wait what? Does this mean we didn't have to lynch Dan?What does that have to do with Dan at all?
What does that have to do with Dan at all?Zakeri tried to kill Dan N1 but was roleblocked, we lynched Dan D2.
Also, what do people think about the odds are of town having 2+ roleblocking powers? (Serious question, this is the mod who put 3 cops in a game)I would like to say that my role would corroborate such a thing.
There are too many weird things around people pointing at him.Well given people's stated reasons for voting Raitaki I'm not surprised. I still can't see what's so scummy about Raitaki aside from his posting style, but whatever I've been wrong before. What kind of scum softclaims roleblocker anyway?
Shadoweh, I think I know your role too. Suddenly I want to lynch you more! Like, a lot. <3This is why I said people should policy lynch Shadoweh if she gets to 3P LYLO. Makes sense now, doesn't it?
I'm just an ordinary magician ze!
Well, you're bored today. Let's see what you've done so far today. You've groped Reimu. You've visited the library and borrowed some books. Oh yeah, you managed to mug a random person for his ID card. Well, might as well go around doing some things then.
Welcome Raitaki to the World of C. You Marisa Kirisame (Touhou Project), here simply because you are bored and want to pass time.
You are the Mafia Ordinary Magician.
You have the following Mafia Abilities:
Mafia Night Kill: You may submit the mafia night kill by sending ##Kill [Target] to the mods.
Mafia Fake Claim: You may submit a character, source, and abilities to the mod and I will create a fake PM for you to use. You may name the abilities if you wish. You know all characters from "Touhou Project" are safe claims.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Active ??【Night Raid?】 - Each night, you may raid another player's home by PMing the mods with the command ##Raid XX, preventing them from doing any actions for the rest of the night.
Passive ??【Stolen ID??】 - Well, you managed to steal the ID of this loser named "PX". At least if anyone investigates you, they'll have the same result as if they investigated a member of town.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods.
You weren't furry enough to marry.<<===
I'm not scared of anything anymore. I'm not alone anymore.
The life of a Magical Girl is lonely and scary. You are forced to fight these witches for the rest of your life until your soul gem empties, but this time, you have cute little kouhais to fight for! You're not afraid of anything anymore.
Welcome Conq to the World of C. You are Mami Tomoe (Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica), fighting off a witch at the hospital.
You are the Town Veteran Magical Girl.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Active 【Regale】 - Anytime during the day, you can PM the mods the command ##Regale XX to open up a quicktopic with the target during the night and roleblock them. They will not be informed of anything except that they can speak in the quicktopic for one night. You may not quote mod communications in the quicktopic.
Passive 【Episode 3: I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore】 - At the start of the day, you will switch to the next Magical Girl.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods and listing what order you will play the Magical Girls.
Also if anyone town is in control of the cc vote should fess up now. reason being is how raitaki treated the cc vote on shadoweh d1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13512.msg892795.html#msg892795)meh maybe not upon rethinking it, seeing shadoweh was going on about shooting people i think. I guess shadoweh is still on my town list
It is due to this fact that I know Shadoweh is town, and lynching him will result in my death as well.This is likely but not guaranteed. However I have no interest in lynching Shadoweh. None at all.
So, Zakeri, any idea what happened last night?you could ask hero, his job last night was too watch zakeri :VWhy is that useless Hero still around
Actionthanks capt obviousdanfailed
Right, I said I would 'fess up, and now it's time to 'fess up.
As much as I can in this situation.
Shadoweh and me are linked. During N1, Shadoweh chose me as his target, and we formed a quicktopic.
Also I tried to night vig myself this night but it failed. Something about not having a night vig. True story....what
Also: I have to die before LyLo. 100% true, since if I make it to LyLo both scum can vote me and I'll be dead. Essentially as it stands now: either I die D5 or I die N4, or I get turbolynched in LyLo with nothing anyone can do to stop it.
...
So as I said, saying to lynch Zakeri regardless of alignment is a scummy thing to say.Bard, you missed my post :c
##Vote: Serela
Now who chainsawed me over that?
da fuck srsly? also cc vote doesnt help eitherYep. I realized that immediately on D1, but now it's critical to making the plans that I have to die >_<
Except the lovers claim means that's the guaranteed NK meaning we're probably in MyLo tomorrow where NO ONE VOTES ME because I could be quickhammered immediately.
Go on keep voting, lets make this quick.
Because honestly, this is quickly becoming a recurring theme in games I'm in.
or you guys could wait for zakeri and check if he failed(HARD) the vig##Unvote
Eitherway, I personally doubt Zakeri can mess up his role and not ask for clarification why.He did, you silly. He asked about your Source, which he has to not mess up either in order to actually get you killed.
##Vote Zakeri
And i'm AtE in too...get my self killed faster. How is that Helping? You are a very amusing person.
##Unvote
consider my vote there but not there to prevent an inopportune hammer.
Zakeri typoing the vig would suck, but it also apparently means he wouldn't be allowed to try to kill Hero again anyway. Unless the system works amusingly awkwardly enough that "Haruri" being unable to be killed doesn't do a thing about "Haruhi".
I'll have to leave that to him, though.
Hero's side of the thing is pretty bad as well for reasons I explained earlier. Only way I wouldn't lynch him is if Zakeri was like "I CAN TOTALLY NK HIM TONIGHT". Even -then- I'd like to just go ahead and lynch him just in case. He could always be a godfather or vanilla bulletproof scum or whatever. Or Zak's role could fail again for whatever reason. Lynching is so much more reliable.
He did, you silly. He asked about your Source, which he has to not mess up either in order to actually get you killed.
...urge to lynch Zakeri rising...I support this post.
You already unvoted :/Yes. Consider my vote to still be there, just not in number to prevent an early hammer. We don't want an accidental (or "accidental") C.C. hammer cutting the day short.
ok well that kinda solidifies all my ??? readsWhat were your thoughts on Shadoweh/Raikaria again...?
My role: target someone they die for the night, this has priority before any other role. At the end of the night i can resurrect that person for the next day. The person stays dead if i am role blocked or stopped in any way.
so right now i have a pretty good town read on zakeri, serela, and hero999 ^^
but he just gave an answer :x about why he fails so hard
So either Zakeri fails or Hero fakeclaimed.
cant really say that lovers confirms both of them as town. though id probably kill raikaria if the opportunity arisesDon't worry, I know you are effectively saying I'm dead and just don't know it.
-cutx2-
mfw did no one read my role fucking seriously
cant really say that lovers confirms both of them as town. though id probably kill raikaria if the opportunity arises
because i really do. from this night on ill just target you every night, if i am roleblocked or die you will too
You realize the temp-death will kill Shadoweh too, right? And she won't revive.no it wont
no it wont
trust me it wont, else i could have abused actiondan everynight and global role block everyone
I kill people at night with priority over all other roles -> at the end of the night i automatically revive them -> if i am stopped in any way, the y remain dead.
Yet again if that were how my role works, i could have abused actiondan every night and roleblocked everyone for the next day and night. forever no more night kills
Also raikaria going on about shadowehs death and not his is amusing
i think bard flew past my role claim
i did, i targeted actiondanthen what the hell happened
This would hypothetically reduce the time available to the one person who can act after Serela jazzed 'em with his role, but that seems a weird stance to take for a moderator. I'm not inclined to buy the claim, especially the naive belief that anti-Roleblock actions would be unblockable.Point 1:Your logic is flawed. I couldn't do that, which I pretty explicitly stated that I asked PX and he was like "yeah no".
TOO BUSY MAKING TWITTER POSTS WHICH MEAN NOTHING SORRY
Your logic is flawed. I couldn't do that, which I pretty explicitly stated that I asked PX and he was like "yeah no".
And if he flips town, Rawr is confirmed scumhow the hell does this even work?
I just kind of want to lynch the scum in front of me.
how the hell does this even work?
no, zakeri gdi
So you are essentially saying that no one can even watch you because you acted before anyone can even watch you?:mfw:
There would be no shenanigans left to bother with.If only, if only.
no, zakeri gdi
Hero, if your listing is correct then Bard/Chaotick scumteam.
That doesn't make sense. Raikari is still possibly Scum. Just because Shadoweh can neigbourise doesn't mean the recipient (or sender!) is guaranteed to be Town. Shadoweh's lurk and non-participation don't qualify to justify the extreme lack of content and devotion to non-existence.Well that's off my reads which could obviously be wrong but the roles are making my brain melt.
Well that's off my reads which could obviously be wrong but the roles are making my brain melt.
Impossible, you could not target actiondan d1
(words) and I was told this isn't Bastard Mod.reminder that px said this game was "role madness with some elements that could be considered bastard", read: he's basically the mafia host equivalent of a used car salesman
reminder that px said this game was "role madness with some elements that could be considered bastard", read: he's basically the mafia host equivalent of a used car salesman
Hero: Thanks for the clarification. That's important to me. As far as your role is concerned DrRawr did not act at all last night, then.
Why the hell are you talking about killing IHNN? o_Ohes a self hammer miller cop, with a threat of a double voter. if he even steps into lylo hes instantly dead. thus he needs to be removed
Impossible, you could not target actiondan d1ah, but I did.
If ihnn is gambiting for his death he better stopWould I really gambit for my death? I'm trying to make the most of my time in this game as I become a liability to town in LYLO.
IHNN, you copped ActionDan Night 1, correct? Was the result "Town", or was the result a failure?The result was town.
I'm skeptical of IHNN's claim, because his opening D2 post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13512.msg893562.html#msg893562) laments the lack of flip, though his result should've somehow pointed out one or another. He also failed to mention his night target in the list of people, and that list was quite extensive.That list was everyone I felt needed to be mentioned. I didn't want to see ActionDan go because, and I quote, "the evil you know over the evil you don't know".
He must be held accountable for dropping Shadoweh AND ActionDan the following Day, but investigating ActionDan in lieu of Shadoweh... his top Scum pick. His last mention of ActionDan on Day 1 is that he doesn't want to see ActionDan go (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13512.msg892662.html#msg892662), so he's clearly not a priority.
Why then would he investigate the one who conveniently died today? Not sure what to make of the ID card story, not excluding possibility of it never having been meant to belong to a player at all. Why put in a Miller Cop if the only one who can Cop is... the Cop? Doesn't make sense except when Bastard Modding and I was told this isn't Bastard Mod.
IHNN, what motivated you to think that your Cop result would have to be tampered with?Role madness+ActionDan's conflicting claims+his really scummy play. I didn't want to out myself as a cop yet and couldn't defend him.
rawr, either your role whiffed on Dan or you're lying, and I'm inclined to believe the latter.No no no and no. Dude. How many times do I have to say that maybe rawr's role doesn't mess this stuff up?
because his opening D2 post laments the lack of flip, though his result should've somehow pointed out one or another.Silly
No no no and no. Dude. How many times do I have to say that maybe rawr's role doesn't mess this stuff up?I skimmed the page and a half I missed while having dinner for the stuff relevant to me, then went back and re-read (also that first part I had typed before you said any of that)
IHNN role has got to be the most fucked up roll ever.yup.
So, going off of that, the doublevoter is actually TOWN-sided, or at the very least ITP.I dont think thats quite possible
I dont think thats quite possibleLet me clarify, that person has had 3 days and apparently half of d4 to claim. If that person were town, they would have cleared this shit up long ago
Also could you full claim?I have already. Hated Miller Cop (rolename is not that). flavor is back on page 2.
Let me clarify, that person has had 3 days and apparently half of d4 to claim. If that person were town, they would have cleared this shit up long agoIt'd be a powerful role for town that would want to stay hidden, like I did with cop.
Also rawr if you're voting me because I got a bad role and only because of that I'm going to be >.< because keeping me around another day/night cycle isn't horrible, what we do is switch me and a scum suspect lynch around and I stay around 1 more day every night I find scumsadly yes that is why, its just unfathomable how fucking weird it isand hopefully get NKed because my target tonight...IS YOU
sadly yes that is why, its just unfathomable how fucking weird it is>.<
IHNN is confirmed town, we aren't lynching him.
Also jesus why would you cop me you bloody.. -.-
Also I just woke up and did not expect five pages of ROLE MAAAADNESS
I told you I was something akin to Vengeful. I'm more like one of those exploding ankle bracelets now. Till death do us part. @_@
Since my role action went through on Night 1 as Raitaki has been furiously confirming I don't think Dan could have died and activated so.
Also jesus why would you cop me you bloody.. -.-Because I was unsure of your alignment.
Also jesus why would you cop me you bloody.. -.-I would have copped you in a heartbeat >_> If you don't want everyone on your back, try to actually post. You would have been lynched forever ago if you weren't nearly hammered by a modvote.
Is it wrong that I feel that you are hiding something?No. I was threatening to make a QT with you where I would laugh maniacally for the few hours of day it lasted before we died together.
I mean Apparently you ARE Ze Caster of ...(blah)
I mean Like...
Wait so that threatening to bring me down with you was a bluff? You jerk.
Anyways SO you are Neightborizer who can kill her lover...
I repeat,
>.<
SCREW YOU PX
No. I was threatening to make a QT with you where I would laugh maniacally for the few hours of day it lasted before we died together.
And I'm not a caster like a spellcaster, I'm Caster who is like Ran but in a different series.
Chaotick isn't a bad idea for a lynch seeing as he still hasn't shown up.
Raikaria still hasn't claimed.I'm copping either Hero Zakeri or rawr quick guys vote
I am forgetting someoneyourself :o
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST SAY TWO COPS? Dormio... was... a cop...Huh. That would explain the "miller" part of my role.
/me stares at IHNN
Cops and docs and bulletproofs and Dan's universal block and unblocks so even their own RB'er can be stopped, holy shit. But I don't know what scum has.
Role Madness is quickly approaching that shiny list of games I refuse to play.It really varies from game to game. Ones that devolve into playing the setup like this, I totally see what you're talking about :/ This game was kind of questionable to absolutely no fault of the setup before then, and at this point is almost purely setup-based with actual play as an afterthought, which is... yeah.
Raikaria, do you have mod confirmation that you will die if Shadoweh does? Or is this just something she told you? Or whatever?
Zak, please try to kill Rawr tonight, I guess. Preferred lynches are Hero or Rawr. IHNN pleaaase investigate one of those people, assuming you're actually town. (I did have a town read of you before role shens...)
Right now, here's how the rest of today/tonight/tomorrow goes down.I'm copping either Hero Zakeri or rawr quick guys vote
also happy if "lynch hero today" is replaced with "lynch rawr" or something, and I can test Hero's role, because if he's lying scum then probably isn't actually a watcher/tracker due to random result fail >_>
Hero999 is Watcher + Tracker 2 Actives
IHNN is hated miller + Cop (if taken seriously) 1 Active + 1 Passive.
Zakeri is Unlimited restricted Vig... - 1 Active
DrRawr is kill to revive, effectively roleblocks by killing. 1 Overpowering?
Serela is Unblockable add on effective to someone... - Not so overpowering...? 1 Active + ?
Shadoweh is revenger striker or something + neighborizor as well? - 1 Active + 1 Passive
Raikaria - Regenerating Bulletvest - Immunity to Geass effects
Chaotick - Doctor - 1 Active
Bardiche - Jack of All Trades (Steals abilities) - 1 Active(multiple)
One of these is certainly a hiding somethingz~! Afterall C.C. has not come out yet. The ones holding it is likely to be the people that claim only 1 ability.
@Serela: Are you saying...I'm lying because I couldn't cop a dead person that got killed at Night and revived in Day?
No big deal, ill target shadoweh and then zakeri kills me.
Zakeri, you attempted to kill Suzumiya Haruhi. What was the exact answer given? That your action failed through wrong input, or your action failed through actions beyond your control?It doesn't say either, but the fact that I got a message suggests that it's through wrong input.
@Raikaria: The rules say that the Mods will announce it if it's possible for role idiocy to end the game if we lynch wrong. That means that even with a Double Voter, Self-hammerer, Lovers, two roles that function as vigs, and the NK and lynch, There's got to be holes in there somewhere that will protect town.The hole is rawr is lying :V
Bard: Then forget about the role shenanies, they don't matter in the end. This game is designed so everyone sounds the same and no one gets uncounterclaimed.
##Vote: Sir Chaotick
We already have a JoaT and a Killer Doctor, what do we need you for? Hey Best Buddy Chaotick, who did you doctor every other night or did you think only the first one mattered? Protip, scum team probably didn't try to kill Serela. Sorry Serela, I know you're town and all but it's true.
I'm OK with you poofing Shadoweh to protect me Rawrthe actual intent is to kill you ^^
lol
Lylo is not announced, instead it is announced if Town can lose before the next day starts
Shadoweh is town, as I have said since D2, and my death results in hers.
Hold on, didn't Shadoweh say she'd kill her lover but that she doesn't die when her lover does?
Votecount
Hero999 (2) - Serela
DrRawr (1) - IHNN, Raikaria
IHNN (1) - DrRawr
SirChaotick (1) - Shadoweh
Not Voting - Hero999, SirChaotick, Zakeri, Bardiche
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
|||||||||||||||| 29.5%
Shadoweh is almost certainly not scum if IHNN is also scum?*UNLESS* ihnn is also scum
. If the person you really want to flip is Raikaria, Shadoweh doesn't die if Raikaria does. She already claimed this :T
Also IHNN + Me = 1 vote on Rawr
Learn to math
Especially if you know you're also townthis implies 3 townie deaths at night
be scum saying this if he actuallykills peoplewhen rb'd/killed,That doesnt make sense. If i were scum with this role we could perform 2nk every night do to scum also have a roleblocker.
I can test Hero at night anyway.
I'm pretty sure Chaotick is town because he would have had to have a "I docced Serela N1" claim in mind from the start of d2, or something similar Serela-cleary, in order to be lying.
I got confused again...
So when Rawr basically...Kills someone, and revives them at Day Time.
Which is in actuality basically a Risky Roleblock...right?
I mean the target stays alive after all that right?
Should i be voting myself before or after the cc vote?whenever is fine kthxdai
Cant really explain ihnn town read on dan n1 thoughI just figured it out.
In Mafia, I will build my opinion of someone based on their actions, and not someone else's interpretations of those actions. Occasionally I will be moved, but generally I want the person themselves to account for their actions.
What Rawr wants is to be vigged by Zakeri, to kill me AND Shadoweh AND himself.
Bard that's a convincing Chaotick case but rawr is planning on having us lose immediately and I don't want him anywhere near the rest of the night game.
Which is the rest of the game.
I kinda just want to lynch rawr now so we can put in our actions so we can turbo through D5 because this game is seriously no fun anymore.
Summon your Townie spirit and try to play still. :ohdear:I have about a 3/4 chance of having to essentially suicide D5. Not fun.
Produce more content -> obtain time -> give less fucks
Because it wasnt directed at you?
Too bad, he outpinged you
(Ｔ▽Ｔ):dealwithit:
Pipirupirupiru Pipirupi!
Sakura-kun is such a pervert. That's why you came from the future to stop him from getting assassinated and creating a machine that'll stop all girls from aging. And you can do it with your trusted bat Excalibolg.
Welcome Dr.Rawr to the World of C. You are Dokuro-chan (Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan), here to protect Sakura-kun from future assassination attempts.
You are the Town Bludgeoning Angel.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Active 【Magic Bat Excalibolg】 - Each night, you can kill someone (usually Sakura-kun) with Excalibolg by sending the PMs the command ##Excalibolg XX. This action is guaranteed to go before any other night actions.
Active 【Pipirupirupirupipirupi】 - At the end of each night, you will automatically revive whoever you killed. Should you fail this action, for whatever reason, the person will remain dead.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods.
Anything you can do, I can do better.
Why those ignorant ponies in Ponyville. They have yet to witness the greatness of The Great and Powerful Trixie! But they shall all see. The Great and Powerful Trixie shall surely show them just who is the most magical unicorn in all of Equestria.
Welcome Bardiche to the World of C. You are The Great and Powerful Trixie (My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic), here to show all those ponies back in Ponyville just who is the best unicorn in all of Equestria.
You are aligned with Town.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Active ??【Open Challenge??】 - Trixie can beat anyone at their own game. During night time, Trixie may challenge someone by PMing the mods with the order ##Challenge XX, and you will copy a basic form of their first ability. Of course, this is all boasting and these abilities Trixie copies do nothing, but you can use them at night for no reason.
Passive ??【The Great and Powerful Trixie??】 - Trixie is a unique pony, and Trixie has no desire to have something in common with these normal folk. As such, Trixie has no need for a role name.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods.
Town can now lose before the next day starts.Suddenly IHNN's plan feels less safe. However, this is still actually how it would go, right? I mean, if he's town, and we lynched not-mafia and not-ihnn, we'd lose. ...but wait, that wouldn't be -before- the next day starts.
Suddenly IHNN's plan feels less safe. However, this is still actually how it would go, right? I mean, if he's town, and we lynched not-mafia and not-ihnn, we'd lose. ...but wait, that wouldn't be -before- the next day starts.Easy: town lynch+lover kill=2 scum 2 town going into D6=game over. Not a problem as we're lynching scum though.
...yeah this is gonna be a thing.
@Raikaria: Can you restate your abilities?
You have an active ability that you did not tell us about.
You targeted IHNN for one reason or another.
IHNN found Zakeri guilty as scum.
I'm not inclined to believe that cop till I find out what your ability is that you oh so refuse to tell us when given the chance.
##Unvote
oh the irony, I originally targeted Raikaria.
What the fuck?I changed my target a few hours into the night. I first sent a message to cop Raikaria, then changed it to Zakeri.
Are you screwing with us IHNN?
Really?
Most people didn't even have town reads of you until now. Why should you be trusted at all?
I mean, there are several tells about you as well. For example, we think the C.C vote is a scum vote, yet your knee-jerk reaction to me even mentioning C.C. on Day 2 looks very scummy.
Not to mention, you've thought ill of me for ages. Why would you not have tracked me before last night if you thought I was scum?
It doesn't add up. Why wouldn't you track your strongest FoS throughout the game until Night 4?
I wouldn't be surprised if you are making this up as a desperation attempt to cover and distract for your scumbuddy Zakeri.
Likewise, I wouldn't be shocked if you are not scum and someone else messed with your results, in an attempt to get me mislynched because mafia cannot nightkill me unless I give the appropriate information for Zakeri's Death Note, since Rawr died.
Also, I'm quite sure how people expressed how bad your C.C. claim was.
How will that in any way bring you support?
And honestly?
You now have IHNN's claim against you as well. So why are we inclined to believe you?
To re-iterate: Rawr's suggestion is:
We lynch someone [Probobly] We are down to 8 players
Rawr poofs me/Shadoweh
Zakeri kills Rawr with Vig
Me/Shadoweh don't return
The other dies due to lovers
Mafia also gets a nightkill
We are down to 4 players, one of which is probably IHNN to ensure scum win regardless of if we lynch scum today or not... or if one scum dies for the cause, like, I dunno... Rawr?
Your rolename is also currently the only one related to Code Geass *cough* C.C.AHA!
So your overemphasis on C.C. I will direct back to yourself.
If I was scum, I would have been happy to die and let Rawr's plan happen. Because that is an instant scum win.This sooooo doesn't clear you in any way for too many reasons that I'm not fed enough to get into. I'll just go the easy path and say "It doesn't work that simply."
However, there is one MASSIVE thing that proves I cannot be scum, in Day 4. The main point of Day 4.But 1 scum 3 town is not insta-win :3
Now, Rawr flipped town.
If I was scum, I would have been happy to die and let Rawr's plan happen. Because that is an instant scum win.
I think you are missing the point. This is a game of mafia. Unless someone is cleared, they are not to be trusted.
However, there is one MASSIVE thing that proves I cannot be scum, in Day 4. The main point of Day 4.
Now, Rawr flipped town.
If I was scum, I would have been happy to die and let Rawr's plan happen. Because that is an instant scum win.
But 1 scum 3 town is not insta-win :3
Oh wait, no We would have 6 People Left aliveDrRawr, Hero999, Serela, IHNN, Chaotick, andShadowehbecause she gets revived.
It is with your self-hammer.Nope-it takes 3 /otes with 4 players.
Nope-it takes 3 /otes with 4 players.
If you were scum int would not ha/e been instant win.
My v key is acting up.
Alright then, I'll move it around
We lynch Chaotick
1
3 DrRawr Shadoweh, and Raikaria
1 Bardiche.
4 People left,
You would not have taken the bet because C.C. vote is yours. You are the only person I can relate the vote to at the moment.
It would have been impossible for an easy win.
@Raikaria: Why do you feel the need to base so much of your content on C.C.? because holyshit you are like the only one to continuously talk about C.C. this C.C that. Why the hell are you trying to make us all focus on that specific point. What is your goal of continuously telling us this?why do you love C.C. so much and not me?
The knee-jerk defense point is actually pretty interesting, though. Conspiracy theorists aren't crazy when actually right.Maybe.
@Raikaria: Fair enough.
Oh gawd what. Definitely Lelouch's handiwork. Last time I checked he was a massive villian so ##Unvote. Looks like an anti-town party trying to get rid of Shadoweh to me.
I don't really like option C for today. If I had to pick between the Raikaria or Hero, in this situation, I think I'd actually rather lynch raikaria for some reason; (Doesn't help that she doesn't suddenly go like "OH HERO IS SCUM ##VOTE" or something in reaction to this, because if it's really completely made up, then, uh, yeah, Hero would be CONFIRMSCUM for her), and there's always just ignoring the two of them and lynching Zakeri.
No, right now all I see from you is trying for a compromise.
And if its absolute obedience, then there is more than merely making me see wrong.
I would not be shocked if this is what is causing the problem.This logic seems kind of bad considering you're immune to Geass affects? And the other way it'd work (Targetting hero and making him think you did something...?) seems like a super ridiculous role and even a stretch in your flavor reasoning.
I'd like to helpfully assert that I'm not mafia.rofl :V ilu Zak, regardless of alignment.
Except making you see wrong to get someone the mafia can't kill mislynched is an obvious possibility.
And how exactly would they KNOW that I will target you?
I never expressed any desire before so stop typing desperation tactics.
You are most certainly trying to compromise and appease me to stop attacking you with the information I have.
Simple.
The effect could have applied to anyone. Anyone could be mislynched by you seeing something wrong. That's all mafia needs. One mislynch.
It also serves as a distraction, for Zakeri, who IS more or less confirmed scum. You could be just attempting to draw attention away from Zakeri.
The way I see it
Hero saw Raikaria Targeting Nameless
Nameless somehow got a fake result on me.
Instead of claiming that Hero is lying, Raikaria is claiming that Lelouch is somehow manipulating Hero's role.
Basically, for this to work, whoever is using the Geass thingy that Raikaria claims exists would have had to use it twice - Once to give Nameless a fake result on me, and another to give a fake result to Hero on Raikaria.
It seems like Raikaria is being caught in a big fat lie to me, and is just trying to cover it up with more bullshit instead of a normal townie reaction which is to assume the next logical person to lie is lying and attack them. Could you clear up why you think the Geass has these powers you're claiming? For that matter, who here hasn't proven their role (besides you) and could be Lelouch?
Here let me put it in simple words.
Everyone alive at night had an active, Except you.
Of all the bullshit you can come up with, its that?
Honestly if it was anyone else It wouldn't have mattered. I would be saying anything like this.
But you know? The one I targetted was you.
This is cold hard fact. You are the only one without an active to allow me to simply pass off my judgement as one of their abilities.
I'm sorry for me not having an active effect in my role. Being a freaking regenerating bulletproof isn't enough for you?I think you're missing the point, the point of which being "You don't have an active power, so me seeing you target someone IS KIND OF A THING"
You know, I get the feeling Raikaria didn't even read all my points.
Nope because out of everyone, you have the most suspicious role in general.
Also, I'm more inclined to agree to cold facts I know of, then to listen to the conspiracy type of wording you are producing.
Also, I'm not sure where you are pulling this from...but where do you find this...99% confirmed scum Zakeri you speak of?
##Unvote
oh the irony, I originally targeted Raikaria.
See above post, and the fact that I trust IHNN due to town reads during the whole game, so I trust the Scum read on Zakeri.
You may now vote yourself.
I changed my target a few hours into the night. I first sent a message to cop Raikaria, then changed it to Zakeri.
IHNN' action speaks louder than words anyhow,
Afterall he started by voting Zakeri, then if he didn't check, why would he unvote?
waitwaitwait
Raikaria dying doesn't kill Shadoweh.
Raikaria looks pretty damn scummy.
Raikaria's flip reveals if my result on Zakeri is any good.
Scum could only kill one, but then we have to quickhammer scum 2 days in a row without letting me get quick-hammered in case of Raikaria!town.
So. Do we take the risk and lynch Raikaria to validate my Zakeri result, lynch Hero for being scummy all game until now, or trust the result and lynch Zakeri?
Right now I think all the scum are in those 3, maybe Chaotick but at this point idk.
But 1 scum 3 town is not insta-win :3
You know, considering your role, this "lelouch" you bring up a good point.
Too bad that you essentially claimed your active.
You can trick a cop into thinking a result is guilty over innocent.
Afterall, you were the one to bring in "misleading" into the game I can therefore conclude your active does just that.
IHNN, can I ask why you suddenly trust Hero when you admitted in my above quote that he's been scummy ALL GAME?because a mislynch today is GGs for town. I don't want to take the risk. Honestly, I -do- think you have the C.C. vote. So how about this. You use it to double lynch Zakeri and Hero :getdown: One of the two is almost definitely scum, if not both. Then I cop you tonight, Chaotick docs Shadoweh and then we win tomorrow. Good plan, or best plan.
Surely if he's been scummy all game, his word isn't exactly suddenly trustworthy.
No IHNN I was waiting and see what you have planned, and thats your elaborate plan?
No, Just no.
I agree with IHNN town, and Shadoweh town, because that was still when no one knew you were cop.
However I refuse to believe Serela is town at this moment role wise he is just as suspicious as Raikaria. It does not help that he essentially claimed that he targeted Bardiche.
Why not take the sensible path and lynch who has been acting scummy most of the game, and not has a guilty report when it looks like Lelouch targeted you?
Or are you reacting like this because things are not going according to your plan and your scumbuddy is getting lynched?
I also think that if you are town Hero, that Serela or Chaotick are probably the other scum.
The sensible path is ridiculous because I know for certain that a certain someone targeted the Cop.
More over there is at least two cops this game, and this game is role madness.
I have utter most confidence that can scum have a misdirection and godfather at the same time.
Its a gut feeling, and it really really strong. I usually don't say this but god damn is it freaking strong.
Basically, I don't see why Town-Raikaria would be pushing the possibly fake result on me over Hero999 Lying about the results on him.
No IHNN I was waiting and see what you have planned, and thats your elaborate plan?Why do I have to have all the plans...
I also am confident that Zakeri is scum, because he's been not exactly townie for a while. In all honesty I'm confused why IHNN felt the need to even check him.Don't question the cop
Why do I have to have all the plans...
##Unvote
##Vote: THIS GAME
Ugh, Raikaria or Hero or Zakeri or Chaotick or Serela.
@IHNN: Honestly look at Raikaria's role, and tell me it is not suspicious as fuck it all.
@Raikaria: No, because town victory is so close you are not getting out of this.
Votecount!
Zakeri (2) - Raikaria
Raikaria (1) - Hero999, Zakeri
No, Its because I'm town.
Think of it this way.
There are two scum left.
1 Can either use a role or kill someone.
Assuming 1 Kills,
The other one can screw with roles. So they can pick one person to screw over. Who is more likely to get a mislynch. The Watcher, or The Cop?
Obviously the Cop, so therefore the fact that I got screwed over will not exist because I know the Cop is the most likely one to get screwed over.
Except throughout the whole game, Zakeri and you have been everyone's scumreads.
And now cop has a scum report on Zakeri, and you're attempting to push a mislynch on me.
One who everyone's been thinking is town all game.
One who got shot N1 by the mafia, resulting in no nightkill.
One who saved town from instant loss D4.
So then why don't you lynch both of us?
It should not matter then for you because you find Me and Zakeri to be the last two scum.
What difference does it make for you to kill either me or Zakeri?
Why did you feel the need to change your vote at all?
Hero, Zakeri and IHNN just piled their votes on Raikaria together like cozy bunnies. >_> I can understand why but still, it looks very suspicious in the situation. I am tempted to say we should lynch him because I really think he's mafia scum for 'let's lynch rawr because his role is about to kill me' but there is one other thing to consider: We shouldn't be in LYLO yet.
And you know what Raikaria?
I can honestly see you doing this as scum.
So you are going to bring situations into this. It even furthers why scum would role fuck me, because if they really thought I was a threat, I would be long gone.
The fact of the matter is, "I Look Scummy" therefore scum will not have as hard of a time getting me lynched. Therefore they have no need to role fuck me.
Now take a look at IHNN. He is essentially Town's Light. Who will question him if he cops someone?
No one, if I did not catch you doing something to IHNN, I would not have questioned it either. So honestly? The chances that I get role fucked compared to IHNN is so low its nearly unthinkable.
I'm awake! I am so very, very angry at you all right now for lynching Rawr. I don't even have words.I never voted Raikaria, I voted the game.
STOP VOTING RANDOMLY WE ARE IN LYLO
Actually if I understand right we are in beyond LYLO. Now let's review the situation.
Zakeri is guilty according to IHNN.
Hero saw Raikaria doin things
Both have been p. bad.
Hero, Zakeriand IHNNjust piled their votes on Raikaria together like cozy bunnies. >_> I can understand why but still, it looks very suspicious in the situation. I am tempted to say we should lynch him because I really think he's mafia scum for 'let's lynch rawr because his role is about to kill me' but there is one other thing to consider: We shouldn't be in LYLO yet.
Do you really think the scum would let me live to tomorrow?
That's not actually what it says, it says we can lose before the next day begins. A lynch and a kill shouldn't be able to end the game with 2 mafians.
Zaaaaaaaaaaaak why didn't you kill anyone last night?
He has claimed to be both at differing intervals. I believe it should be track - watch - track- watch?
Except it is possible.
A mislynch + KILLING YOU, which kills me as well.
Bam, two more townies dead.
Throw in Zakeri's vig if he is indeed mafia.
That's 4 dead townies.
Note we can only lose if I'm town?
That's not actually what it says, it says we can lose before the next day begins. A lynch and a kill shouldn't be able to end the game with 2 mafians.If you die Raikaria dies correct?
So here's what we do.Actually Chaotick you doc me if Zakeri flips scum and Shadoweh if he flips town.
Lynch Zakeri.
Stuff happens.
But, based on his flip, we can deduce if the "we can lose" is off the lover double kill. If so, Shadoweh and Raikaria are confirmed town. I cop...Chaotick, if he's town we lynch Hero and if he's scum we lynch him.
=_=:dealwithit:
:dealwithit:
No, because if Raikaria can fuck with innocent or guilty your whole plan is screwed.shhhh don't ruin the secret part of the plan where I actually cop you
shhhh don't ruin the secret part of the plan where I actually cop youAssuming we make off with only 2 deaths, thats 5 people left,
Day 4
DrRawr (5) - Raikaria, Serela, DrRawr, IHNN, Bardiche
SirChaotick (1) - Shadoweh
Day 3
Raitaki (6) - Bardiche, DrRawr, Shadoweh, IHNN, Zakeri, Raikaria
Day 2
ActionDan (7) - DrRawr, Zakeri, Raikaria, Bardiche, Serela, Shadoweh, ActionDan
Zakeri (3) - Raitaki, Conq, Shadoweh
Day 1 wagons
Shadoweh (6) - Conq, IHNN, Bardiche, Raikaria, C.C., Raitaki
DrRawr (5) - Hero999, Bardiche, Conq, IHNN, Raikaria
Dormio (7) - ActionDan, Serela, Conq, IHNN, Raikaria, Bardiche, DrRawr (LYNCH)
Raitaki (4) - Dormio, Shadoweh, Zakeri, Hero999
I... AM JUSTICE!
You couldn't have been more proud of Matsuda. That is, unless he had won of course. But he got the bronze at Beijing. Actually... you're very mad. MATSUDA!!!!!!!! HOW COULD YOU GET BRONZE?! I TAUGHT YOU HOW TO SWIM, NOW WIN THE GOLD AT LONDON! I DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW GOOD PHELPS IS! Fine, just go work harder and I'll get you the damn gold.
Welcome Zakeri to the World of C. You Light Yagami (Death Note), here to eliminate the competition and make sure Matsuda wins the gold at London.
You are the Mafia God of the New World.
You have the following Mafia Abilities:
Mafia Night Kill: You may submit the mafia night kill by sending ##Kill [Target] to the mods.
Mafia Fake Claim: You may submit a character, source, and abilities to the mod and I will create a fake PM for you to use. You may name the abilities if you wish. You know all characters from "Death Note" are safe claims.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Active ??【Death Note?】 - Each Night, you may write someone's name in the Death Note. The following rules apply:
1) The person whose name is written will die.
2) You must correctly spell the person's name, the person's source, and their role name.
3) You can write the time of death and the death scene if you wish. If you do not include either, then they will die at the start of the next day and have their normal death scene.
4) Should you fail to kill a person with your Death Note once, then the Death Note will be taken from your possession and you lose it forever.
Example: Light Yagami (Death Note), God of the New World
Passive ??【Number 1 Student??】 - You are a natural genius. Nobody can outsmart you. You will never be caught doing anything during night. Anyone who attempts to track or watch you will see you do nothing during the night.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods.
Hero is scumNope.
Hero is confirmed town?Yep. Hero is town :]
Lelouch vi Britannia commands you.... Obey me subjects! Obey me world!
Man, your life sucks. School's boring, your best friend is an idiot, you're the leader of a terrorist group, and your sister is blind and crippled because your mother got shot. Oh well, at least you can have fun with this little birdy in your eye.
Welcome Raikaria to the World of C. You Lelouch vi Britannia (Code Geass). You are teamed up with Light Yagami (Code Geass), played by Zakeri, and Marisa Kirisame (Touhou Project), played by Raitaki, to eliminate Britannia for some reason you completely forgot about. Yay birdy!
You are the Mafia Emperor of the World. You make talk to Zakeri and Raitaki in this quicktopic at any time.
You have the following Mafia Abilities:
Mafia Night Kill: You may submit the mafia night kill by sending ##Kill [Target] to the mods.
Mafia Fake Claim: You may submit a character, source, and abilities to the mod and I will create a fake PM for you to use. You may name the abilities if you wish. You know all characters from "Code Geass" are safe claims.
You have the following Personal Abilities:
Active ??【Geass of Absolute Obedience??】 - Each Night, you may command one person to do any request you have by PMing the mods the command "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you XX, whatever". You may only target a player once. You may only send one request. You may ask the mod which requests are allowed and which ones aren't. This action is unblockable.
Active ??【The Witch of Britannia??】 - During the day, you may command C.C. to vote someone in the game by PMing the mods with the order ##Vote XX. C.C. does not take kindly to orders, so she will only vote for you five times total, she will refuse to hammer anyone, and she will stop taking orders at the start of Day 3.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm by sending a PM to the mods.
Wow, way to lynch me before I even get to post.
Anyway, I knew I was pretty screwed. I was gonna suggest we lynch Shadoweh because most people had wanted to at some point in the game and it would still accomplish killing me :V
What happened N4 was I visited IHNN so he would see me as town for the remainder of the game. Of course, IHNN checks Zakeri, AND I get tracked that night. Might have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that :/
Anyway, first time being MOtK scum. How was I?
Wow, way to lynch me before I even get to post.Hey, hey, hey buddy!
Hey, hey, hey buddy!
Fuck you too!
Shhhh Dormio. You got to post D1."Oh no, Dormio isn't defending himself at 4AM in the morning. He must be scum, let's lynch him before he wakes up!"
"Oh no, Dormio isn't defending himself at 4AM in the morning. He must be scum, let's lynch him before he wakes up!"
Raiwaifu, you were scum, you don't need to make reason to have lynched Dormio without a claim
See this wouldn't have happened if you had talked to me more. <^_^>
Nameless is both Town MVP and Scum MVP for lying about his role.It worked out for the better that I didn't know I wouldn't self-hammer in LyLo :derp:
since IHNN shouldn't pose much of a threat compared to other playersand then me essentially leading town in the endgame and outguessing Raikaria :V
This game was singularly unpleasant to read.
Why?
There were hordes of attitude/etiquette issues. I'll probably go into further detail when I get home, though it depends on what else gets posted here in the meantime.
There were hordes of attitude/etiquette issues. I'll probably go into further detail when I get home, though it depends on what else gets posted here in the meantime.
Rawr was fine this game and Raikaria's case on him wasn't even a case, it was 'Rawr is a goober let's lynch him also he is trying to cause my death'. That really shouldn't have happened, but it seemed like people were caught up in some whirlwind of apathy there. You should have been lynched the next day for it even if the roles turned up nothing.
Not guilty at all. I agreed with your general gameplay etiquette posts pretty much 100%.
When your reaction to being called out on lurking is to call someone 'fucking retarded', it's not OK.Do you seriously have no idea how scummy this line of thinking was? Why didn't you suggest a lynch on Zakeri for having the vig that would kill Rawr? Why not just make sure Zakeri didn't go through with the vig that 'would have lost the game' which wouldn't have lost the game if Rawr were town, which is who you were pushing the lynch on? The answer to the first two is because you already knew what Zak was and were only thinking of ways to kill Rawr and make yourself look good. Your case was literally 'Rawr is town and he will lose us the game therefore he must be scum trying to lose the game let's lynch him'
When you're told you're being rude and your reaction is 'I'll be ruder' it's not OK.
When you suggest something that could cause a town instant loss, and when it's pointed out you DON'T CARE, and you're on town, it's not OK.
Do you seriously have no idea how scummy this line of thinking was?
If the game was to lynch someone for being unsociable, then yes Rawr could take the rope.ow, that one hurt
Rawr deserved his lynch.I would argue otherwise.
IHNNI was trying to make myself as useful to town as I could while making myself as unappealing a target for scum as possible. The hated part of my role very greatly helped with that-especially since everyone (ok this was my fault) thought it would apply in LyLo :V. I will admit I kind of got a bit lazy LD2/ED3, but I was aware of this and tried to motivate myself for the endgame. and honestly, I think I led town D4 onwards. I agree with Raikaria's statement of Conq town MVP for the first half of the game, but after he died I took over that slot I think (though yes, mostly due to role. but the role is part of the game I played that aspect very well)
Solid play, despite what some might say. A Cop's interest is in neither getting lynched nor getting killed at night, and he's dodged the bullet right well he has. In the end he won the game for Town, but that is more due to the role rather than the player. Playerwise I think IHNN could benefit from more clarity and involvement. I didn't actually notice his play much this game, and I'm not sure if that's due to trying to pull off a right proper Coplurk or just being generally forgettable. The latter isn't exactly good if you're scumhunting.
But in terms of finding scum and saying what needed to be said, Rawr has been better than most at it. Remember how people don't read walls of text? Well you guys are certainly reading Rawr's one-liners.
[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"
ZakeriI did much better than I thought I would. once role madness started up, I kind of devolved to my "Don't want to post without read, Don't want to Read" bit, but I still managed to at least follow along with the thread and throw in a comment every once in a while. I get the feeling that if I were town, I would have actually gone back this game to reread everything, but as Scum I guess I was just hoping to freeform follow along and nod my head until we had enough lynches to bumrush town.
Stopped playing after D2. Was okay-ish on Day 1. Not a lot to say about you. I guess it was fine.
Dormio왜난이것만있냐용?
시작이 반이다.
In fact that only real bad part about you is that your quick to give up when your confused.
왜난이것만있냐용?
I think in the Rawr case most people are ignoring the fact that if I was town, Rawr's suggestion [Lynch whoever, vigkill Rawr, Rawr targets shadoweh], would have been an automatic scum win if town was the lynch [And assuming I was town]
We didn't lynch Rawr for his attitude. Even if we almost did D1.
He lynched him for his stupid idea that he defended even after he was told that it could result in a scum autowin.
> Lylo is not announced, instead it is announced if Town can lose before the next day starts
> Lylo is not announced, instead it is announced if Town can lose before the next day starts
Read the rules. His plan would have never resulted in town loss.
Honest question: are all mafia games here like this? This is just such a damn mess.
Nope.That's kind of a relief.
chelsea & the seven devils, moriya shrine revolution and gensokyo workers' union
>Keep Zakeri around because he claimed vig.
>Lynch Rawr for trying to kill someone.
:derp:
Besides, if there's no possible way to lose that phase, Rawr's plan was still culling the list of 3 suspicious people in the worst case scenario that all 3 were town.
Me. Scum.^bragging about helping lynch a guy who voted himself