東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade (TH13.5) - Discussion

[Ikari]

I want to see Yuuka in this game, although it certainly won't happen.

I love Yuuka but I accepted the fact she's often missing in games.

I like to pretend she's just so OP she'd break the game.

[KFCbbQ]

The main reason I wouldn't grab onto this is because neither SWR nor Soku followed this,

Unless I am overlooking something, in SWR it still follows since 東方緋想天:比那名居天子. What's intriguing is that the same pattern extends to all the print works as well. Thanks for pointing this out, you've convinced me to believe that Shinki will make appearance in the game. And of course I will welcome the decision to bring Shinki back with open arms.

[Drake]

wow shit how did I miss that

PRETTY SURE SOKU HAS LIKE NO EXTRA CHARACTERS EXCEPT DAIDARABOCCHI AND NAMAZU THOUGH SO YEAH

[Polaris]

You can make the argument that Touhou Hisoutensoku is named after the the Hisoutensoku robot itself :derp: But yeah, Soku doesn't have any new characters so it's really a special case.
The name of the game and the name of a character in the game sharing a kanji is pretty interesting, although in this case I doubt it's actually referring to Shinki.

[Starxsword]

As the other poster pointed out. Hisoutensoku has the robot Hisou Tensoku. Though, it depends if you call it I character, I would like to believe so, kind of like the Goliath doll.

[Drake]

i'd also argue that hisou tensoku is named as such because of the name of the previous game, and not as a three-steps-ahead decision to name both games with it in mind
there being possible exceptions and whatnot still doesn't matter though; what matters is that there's a clear pattern zun follows that shinki (and currently no other existing characters as far as i can tell) matches with

I'm not really hoping for Shinki nor would I say this is an indicator that she's in whatsoever, and I'd advise that nobody puts all their chips in for it either. But the pattern is there, and if she does get in then woah it was foreshadowed. If she doesn't then whatever, but either way it's also somewhat likely that a character with 心綺楼 in their name will be included.

[game2011]

Instead of saying that Shinki may be in this game because of the naming thing, it's more realistic to say that the new character's name will contain one of the characters in the Japanese title.

[Phlegeth]

New crack theory: the true route has Alice become the new Shinki and the warring religions have to work together to beat her.

[AnonymousPondScum]

Further crack theory: Alice-Shinki goes on to make a NEW Makai which makes a NEW Alice which makes a NEW Shinki and---

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[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

Nuts to this whole plot relevance and theories, just bring Shinki back at once. Geez... it shouldn't be THAT hard.

1) You make her sprite.
2) You code her.
3) You make her dialogues.

Ta-Da~!

[Ranko Hoshino]

Shinki will be returning because she wants to gain more followers, so she's decided to focus on the people of Gensokyo! The first place she will be gathering faith is in the human village! A goddess needs her faith, of course! :getdown:

[Kami-sama!]

It would be nice to have Mima back, or any PC98 character for that matter, but we all know ZUN has scrapped PC98 even if someone does appear, it would most likely be in a situation like Yuuka where she'll never appear again :| I have a secret fangirl inside me where I REALLY want Mima to return, but I can kinda understand why ZUN doesn't like PC98 characters in his Windows work and I dont want to annoy people, so I don't show it. Besides, I want to respect ZUN and calling him a troll is not nice when he doesn't do it.

[shadowbringer]

Nuts to this whole plot relevance and theories, just bring Shinki back at once. Geez... it shouldn't be THAT hard.

1) You make her sprite.
2) You code her.
3) You make her dialogues.

Ta-Da~!

1) you make the sprites for the attack animations (for which concept art is much likely needed) and special effects
2) you code the hitboxes for said attack animations, startup/active/recovery frames for them, states for the characters (airborne, knocked down, air teching, blocking high/low/airblocking, taking a hit, etc), how moves should behave ("this grab can catch teching enemies, but not enemies in hitstun, downed opponents, etc", "this attack is air unblockable", "this backdash has invulnerability in the first n frames", "this move has upper/lower/full body invincibility", "the air version of this move acts differently from its grounded version", "you can cancel this attack with a highjump/special/super when the move hits the opponent", etc), then you playtest to adjust characters' balance and check for bugs/glitches/infinite combos or otherwise broken stuff. (and also take care of code optimization; also, the character's gameplay must be thought and decided beforehand)
3) this may be the less difficult step :p (depending on how many routes/general win quotes/special condition win quotes you want to add. Story-wise, additional artwork may be needed to go along with said quotes)

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

1) you make the sprites for the attack animations (for which concept art is much likely needed) and special effects
2) you code the hitboxes for said attack animations, startup/active/recovery frames for them, states for the characters (airborne, knocked down, air teching, blocking high/low/airblocking, taking a hit, etc), how moves should behave ("this grab can catch teching enemies, but not enemies in hitstun, downed opponents, etc", "this attack is air unblockable", "this backdash has invulnerability in the first n frames", "this move has upper/lower/full body invincibility", "the air version of this move acts differently from its grounded version", "you can cancel this attack with a highjump/special/super when the move hits the opponent", etc), then you playtest to adjust characters' balance and check for bugs/glitches/infinite combos or otherwise broken stuff. (and also take care of code optimization; also, the character's gameplay must be thought and decided beforehand)
3) this may be the less difficult step :p (depending on how many routes/general win quotes/special condition win quotes you want to add. Story-wise, additional artwork may be needed to go along with said quotes)

You realize that my intention was summarizing all of those steps, don't you...?

[Aba Matindesu!]

You realize that my intention was summarizing all of those steps, don't you...?

(emphasis mine)

Geez... it shouldn't be THAT hard.

<snip>

Ta-Da~!

[Amraphenson]

tl;dr
It is hard. Don't make the process as shallow as that.

[Byronyello]

tl;dr
It is hard. Don't make the process as shallow as that.

lolbutshinkiman

I, for one, am looking forward to this new game. I'm know nothing of fighting games, but I think that expanding the plot is very cool at the least. And it's not like Tasofro ever make a bad game, just very... broken? (Random weather and card placement in SWR and Hisou, hmm?)

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

tl;dr
It is hard. Don't make the process as shallow as that.

Meh.

[trancehime]

Meh.

No matter how you look at it, it IS that hard.

Especially when the smoothest animations are done frame-by-frame. Meaning one must construct sprites for all frames. ggwp

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

No matter how you look at it, it IS that hard.

Especially when the smoothest animations are done frame-by-frame. Meaning one must construct sprites for all frames. ggwp

Alright, alright. Ok.

[Validon98]

(Random weather and card placement in SWR and Hisou, hmm?)

Yeah, I never really liked that part of those games. Then again, IaMP wasn't much better with that. Hopefully they'll figure out a better balance with the spell cards.

[KFCbbQ]

The difficulty of implementing a new character is irrelevant. What's worth debating is how well does Shinki fit in the religious battle theme.

[EthanSilver]

(Random weather and card placement in SWR and Hisou, hmm?)

Oh god, I pray they make whatever new system they introduce optional. At least in versus mode, if anything. Not being able to turn off the weather effects in SWR/Hisoutensoku was such a pain...

Being able to build your starting move-list instead of having to hope the move you want won't take too long to come out (and wasting a card to toggle it on) would be neat if they kept the same card-based system, too. But maybe that's just me.

[Starxsword]

Yeah, it would be cool if we could start with different move sets. SWR/Soku allows for that, but you need to put them in your deck and randomly draw them.

[EthanSilver]

SWR/Soku allows for that, but you need to put them in your deck and randomly draw them.

Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. I often find myself learning how to use a character's default moves and completely neglecting the replacement moves because I'm much less likely to be able to depend on them. I suppose some may like it that way, but I often find myself wishing the game would just let me set up my default movelist instead of forcing me to rely on chance.

Still, this new one doesn't seem to have the same system, so it's probably moot one way or the other.

[Vyrien]

The difficulty of implementing a new character is irrelevant. What's worth debating is how well does Shinki fit in the religious battle theme.

She's implied to be the Devil.

IT WORKS

[Tengukami]

Looks like you Shinki fans may have been right about her appearing in Hopeless Masquerade. Check it out:

[nsfw]http://i.imgur.com/Yk2B2.jpg[/nsfw]

[AnonymousPondScum]

God dammit Ammy

[Desu_Cake]

Inb4Ayanotinanynewgames

Anyway, I don't see how Shinki would fit in at all, since she's never shown nor implied to have any interest in having followers. Plus, y'know, she's in Makai not Gensokyo.

[Vyrien]

Looks like you Shinki fans may have been right about her appearing in Hopeless Masquerade. Check it out:

[nsfw]http://i.imgur.com/Yk2B2.jpg[/nsfw]

Dat confirmation ~<3