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Title: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on May 31, 2016, 12:56:32 PM
In the currently ongoing Nikenme Radio livestream, Uni Akiyama had stated that he and ZUN will be away for Los Angeles from the end of June to July 7.

Given the timing, they will most likely be there for Anime Expo 2016.

We should probably keep close watch on Anime Expo 2016 news for a formal announcement.

UPDATE3:
Fan game panel video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDjQFkxzgUI) and ZUN panel video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSBYVHFUvmQ); collected tweets (http://togetter.com/li/994742); an English transcript (http://pastebin.com/Kiatum4a) and Japanese transcript (http://coolier.dip.jp/th_up4/img/th4_6400.txt); MotK thread (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19692.0.html).

UPDATE2:
NISA's schedule (http://nisamerica.com/blog/panels-cosplay-gatherings-and-autograph-sessions), including panels, cosplay gatherings, and autograph sessions. Panel information:
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[PANEL] 8:15PM ? 9:15PM, Defining Doujin and Creating Games for the Touhou Universe @ LP3/LACC 408AB
With Touhou Project video game titles headed to a console for the very first time, the creator of Touhou Genso Rondo: Bullet Ballet, Yuro, and the creator of Touhou Genso Wanderer, JYUNYA, will discuss how they first delved into the Touhou Project universe and explain their experiences with creating and developing their games.

[PANEL] 9:30PM ? 10:30PM, One Man, One Universe: ZUN and the creation of the Touhou Universe @ LP3/LACC 408AB
ZUN has created an entire universe?by himself. ZUN is quite the renaissance man, creating a world known as Touhou Project with his company, Team Shanghai Alice, a Japanese doujin game developer specializing in the shoot ?em up genre. So how does one man manage to be a general producer, game designer, character designer, and a music/sound producer? ZUN himself will discuss how his Touhou Project was created and how it has evolved through the years.

UPDATE1:
NISA has announced (http://nisamerica.com/blog/special-guests-anime-expo) their special guests for Anime Expo, which include ZUN, Yuro and JYUNYA. More info will probably be released on June 24.
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ZUN
Creator of the Touhou Project
ZUN is the founder and sole member of Team Shanghai Alice, and is the designer, programmer, script writer, and composer of the extremely popular Touhou Project series. With more than 15 official entries, the series has become famous for its doujin culture; ZUN allows creative license to the characters and world, which has allowed fans to expand Touhou?s reach into numerous genres beyond its start as a bullet hell game.

Yuro Kyoya
Director of Touhou Genso Rondo: Bullet Ballet, Member of CUBETYPE
Yuro is the director of the highly anticipated shoot ?em up fighter game Touhou Genso Rondo: Bullet Ballet, and a member of CUBETYPE, the studio behind the title! In this bullet-hell action game, players take on the role of a Touhou girl and face off in one-on-one battles against other characters in a colorful display of deadly bullets and melee attacks. This will be the first time Yuro visits America, and he is very excited to share his thoughts on the Touhou Project, as well as his visions of Touhou titles he anticipates to create in the future!

JYUNYA
Director of Touhou Genso Wanderer, Representative of AQUASTYLE
JYUNYA is the director of Touhou Genso Wanderer and the representative for the development team on this highly anticipated title. This Roguelike RPG features tons of content and highly evolved controls that put you directly in charge of the action! Furthermore, for fans of the Touhou Project, the story sequences feature numerous Touhou characters, which all combine to make this a Touhou game that cannot be missed! Since this will be JYUNYA?s first time in America, be sure to visit this exclusive Touhou panel, so you will not only get to know JYUNYA, but also find out what his thoughts and future plans are for new games!
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: cuc on May 31, 2016, 01:01:13 PM
Yeah like I said.
ZUN also said he "will not be in Japan on July 3". As he mentioned he's "looking forward to all sorts of events" in this blog update, this seems a good reason for leaving Japan.

Could he visit America again for Anime Expo (Jul 1-4), or Anime Midwest (Jul 8-10)? Could it be Japan Expo (Jul 6-10) at Paris, an event that's definitely very interested in Japanese subculture stars like him? There's also Seoul's SICAF 2016 (Jul 6-10).
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: Drake on May 31, 2016, 01:15:35 PM
You sure you aren't actually a satori?
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: Edible on May 31, 2016, 01:33:30 PM
Or a wizard.
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: Helepolis on May 31, 2016, 02:31:10 PM
He is a true apprentice of Aya, always in for the scoops and juicy news. Accurate news actually.

Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Hmm,  this is going to be messy.  I semi-resolved to fly to anywhere in the US where ZUN would be making an appearance this summer, but Los Angeles is farther than expected.  I'll have to think on this one.
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: HalfGrand on June 01, 2016, 04:27:32 PM
Start preparing your ZUN cosplay everybody! I hope to see crowds of flowery shirts and flat caps as far as the eye can see!  :V

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We should probably keep close watch on Anime Expo 2016 news for a formal announcement.

Has there been any news of him planning to participate in any of the events at Anime Expo? For all we know he might simply go there as part of the crowd and chill (well, if he did do that then he probably wouldn't announce it on radio, would he).
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: james7132 on June 22, 2016, 07:45:08 PM
http://nisamerica.com/blog/special-guests-anime-expo (http://nisamerica.com/blog/special-guests-anime-expo)

Seems like it's confirmed. He's going to be at AX with the NISA folks.
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: Moogs Parfait on June 22, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
I wasn't nervous about going to AX before but now I am.  Help.
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: Jq1790 on June 22, 2016, 09:25:51 PM
I wasn't nervous about going to AX before but now I am.  Help.
AWA '13 goer here to help. 

He's totally cool and approachable(though I did not actually speak to him myself I saw his interactions with others).  No need to be nervous or anything.  Just relax, and enjoy the cool opportunity!  = D
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: commandercool on June 22, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Ah. Fuck. Shit. I'm going through a weird patch at work so I shouldn't spend money right now but I really want to spend money on this aaaaah.
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: yomichiyu on June 22, 2016, 11:05:03 PM
Ooh, I'm definitely gonna find him whenever I can, and hopefully get a picture with him. But seeing him in-person is good enough for me. I do wonder if he'll drop by the Touhou Cosplay Gathering on Sunday though. I know NISA will be helping out (or at least from what I heard) with the cut-outs they have so there should be a good chance he'll drop by since he'll be with the NISA people.
Title: Re: Uni Akiyama and ZUN to visit Anime Expo, Los Angeles (July 1-4, 2016)?
Post by: Iced Fairy on June 22, 2016, 11:17:28 PM
Welp.  Looks like I'll be at AX then.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on June 23, 2016, 02:39:26 AM
Yup, I've been eyeing NIS America since I noticed that they were not present at this year's E3 (unlike XSEED), but instead already has an Art Show Contest planned for Anime Expo 2016.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: RuneDevros on June 23, 2016, 04:50:55 AM
Ooh, I'm definitely gonna find him whenever I can, and hopefully get a picture with him. But seeing him in-person is good enough for me. I do wonder if he'll drop by the Touhou Cosplay Gathering on Sunday though. I know NISA will be helping out (or at least from what I heard) with the cut-outs they have so there should be a good chance he'll drop by since he'll be with the NISA people.

What's this about Touhou cosplay gathering? I'm planning on being there (as Forbidden Scrollery Mamizou)
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: AJS on June 23, 2016, 05:25:33 AM
Dangit, why they gotta wait for badge prices to get hiked up so much before announcing the sole reason I'd wanna go to this con.

Welp, no time to complain...*begrudgingly pulls out wallet*
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: yomichiyu on June 23, 2016, 05:41:32 AM
What's this about Touhou cosplay gathering? I'm planning on being there (as Forbidden Scrollery Mamizou)
It's something they do every year (at least for all the years I've been at AX). This year, it'll be on Sunday, at 3 PM.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Mеа on June 23, 2016, 10:23:12 PM
I don't think I noticed any specific thing about nis america in the schedule, but does anyone know which day and what time he'll be doing whatever he's doing?
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Iced Fairy on June 23, 2016, 10:58:25 PM
I don't think I noticed any specific thing about nis america in the schedule, but does anyone know which day and what time he'll be doing whatever he's doing?
NISA has a Monday panel, but ZUN's activity there or elsewhere has not been specifically announced.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Mеа on June 23, 2016, 11:02:47 PM
Oh, well as long as he was officially announced as a guest I'm guessing he's gonna at least do something interesting. However minor.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on June 25, 2016, 05:31:23 AM
NISA updated their Anime Expo schedule:
http://nisamerica.com/blog/panels-cosplay-gatherings-and-autograph-sessions
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on June 25, 2016, 05:53:55 AM
Oh god the event lineup is so much better now.

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ZUN is quite the renaissance man, creating a world known as Touhou Project with his company, Team Shanghai Alice, a Japanese doujin game developer specializing in the shoot ?em up genre.
lmaooo writers
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Tiamat on June 25, 2016, 09:10:00 AM
Oh god the event lineup is so much better now.
lmaooo writers

That.... that's definately one of the more extreme examples of "Technically true but somehow still misleading anyways" things I've seen, lately.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on June 25, 2016, 12:20:07 PM
I'm like 90% confident the writer saw "ZUN belongs to Team Shanghai Alice" and "Touhou is made by ZUN alone" and just filled in the blanks like a noob

TSA isn't a company either  :derp:
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: game2011 on June 25, 2016, 03:28:44 PM
His wife helps him with the games, so it is a two-man team.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: N-Forza on June 25, 2016, 03:50:06 PM
She doesn't do much more than beta test for the most part though, which he has a few other people do as well. When it comes down to the actual content of the games though, it's all him.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on June 26, 2016, 09:18:04 AM
ZUN is incredibly secretive about his games up until testing and release, to seemingly everyone. Ki-san didn't even know what the game's title was (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17617.msg1183555.html#msg1183555) when ZUN had announced LoLK.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Sedrife on June 27, 2016, 04:00:46 PM
I'm like 90% confident the writer saw "ZUN belongs to Team Shanghai Alice" and "Touhou is made by ZUN alone" and just filled in the blanks like a noob

TSA isn't a company either  :derp:

Perhaps as Touhou franchise is becoming more related to major industries, we are seeing the thinning line of ZUN being a sole member of Team Shanghai Alice vs. being a founder of Korindo Co.,Ltd (株式会社香林堂).

Can't help but feel that members of the Korindo Co. Ltd. (Ruw, NKZ, D.N.A., etc) are more and more getting involved in their roles in Touhou as a company franchise and Touhou is becoming more industrialized.

On the other hand, ZUN will have some drink right before leaving to America for the 2nd time.  He will talk about the 2nd release of the magazine and how he feels about going to Anime Expo in his 70th Nikenme Radio. (6/28 20:00 JST)

https://twitter.com/korindo/status/747230129068212225

I wonder what happened to Uni Akiyama going to America with ZUN and he is off the guest list.  Perhaps we will get some answers in the Nikenme Raido.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Clarste on June 28, 2016, 02:22:50 AM
She doesn't do much more than beta test for the most part though, which he has a few other people do as well. When it comes down to the actual content of the games though, it's all him.

As I recall, he actually goes out of his way to avoid having discussions about programming or game design with her, since he doesn't want disagreements over work to spill into his private life.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on June 28, 2016, 03:07:19 PM
In today's Nikenme, mostly reported by @tara_touhou:
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ZUN: (https://twitter.com/tara_touhou/status/747751408502456321) "After Anime Expo I'm going to to San Francisco. There's a publisher there that has said they want to interview me."
Wonder what this could be about.

ZUN has also noticed that a lot of people are saying his announcement to come to AX was way too late. Oops, I guess? Apparently he's been slacking, as he still hasn't even bought a suitcase either.

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ZUN: (https://twitter.com/tara_touhou/status/747759226903232512) "There'll be a special edition for the next Forbidden Scrollery. It'll include an artbook by Moe-san and a CD by me."

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Okonogi: (https://twitter.com/tara_touhou/status/747760152904929280) "Are you getting the feeling to end Forbidden Scrollery?"
ZUN: "That'll be around the time Comp-Ace stops running, right?"
Well, that answers that question. Kosuzu foreverrrr

They showed the second issue of Garai Ihen. Length is about the same, still mostly lots of text (as was briefly made fun of). As we already know, there are articles that focus on the EoSD~IN trio. After each game article, there will be more about the origins of various ideas in the games (e.g. vampires, the monk Saigyou). There is also an interview with U2, as has already been announced in the previous Nikenme.

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ZUN: (https://twitter.com/tara_touhou/status/747758760391774210) "While we had announced the second issue with the first, we shouldn't be making early announcements about things that haven't been fully planned out yet, so there's no announcement with this one. Well, that doesn't mean there won't be a next issue, either."
this is the face of true irony

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@enjou_7743: (https://twitter.com/enjou_7743/status/747756215032287232) "The character introductions will be Remilia, Flandre, Patchouli, Meiling, Youmu, Yuyuko, Yukari, Ran, Chen, Reisen, Tewi, Kaguya, Eirin, Alice, and... one last that I couldn't catch"

The second issue's CD will have Occult ? la Carte Occult Attract (new?), Retribution for the Eternal Night, and Last Occultism. Interesting picks. Last Occultism is actually said to be its full version.

And as a closing tweet,
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ZUN: (https://twitter.com/korindo/status/747797517991960576) "I'll be going to have fun in America; hopefully their energy will rub off on me. And of course, I hope you'll be interested in Garai Ihen's second issue, even if it is just full of words."
wouldn't have it any other way
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Quwanti on June 28, 2016, 03:57:38 PM


The second issue's CD will have Occult ? la Carte Occult Attract (new?), Retribution for the Eternal Night, and Last Occultism. Interesting picks. Last Occultism is actually said to be its full version.


I assume this is the version that was played in the Shinpiroku PS4 trailer. It's been a long time since ZUN used one a track from the older windows games. It also seems the subtitle of that one is "(something) and (something)". Though, the screenshot is a bit blurry so I'm probably wrong. :V
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Soul Devour on June 28, 2016, 06:11:40 PM
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ZUN (https://twitter.com/tara_touhou/status/747751408502456321): "After Anime Expo I'm going to to San Francisco. There's a publisher there that has said they want to interview me."

Hmm. a quick cursory glance at game publishers in San Francisco using this site (http://www.gamedevmap.com/index.php?location=San%20Francisco) yielded three publishers in and around the city. Capcom, whom we all know of (I hope), Deep Silver (Metro series, Killing Floor 2, Mighty No. 9, Saints Row and oh,  this little gem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1HTKWX15oo)) and a curious third entry, Autumn Games (Skullgirls).

Be interesting to see what comes of this, if anything.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Hello Purvis on June 28, 2016, 06:20:58 PM
Peacock's gonna be the next bonus character in a fighter, you heard it here.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: N-Forza on June 29, 2016, 01:52:00 AM
The word ZUN used in the tweet is referring to a book publisher if I'm not utterly mistaken, so it's likely going to be an interview meant for some western publication.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on June 29, 2016, 04:38:31 AM
Yeah I'm pretty sure we're talking about a book or magazine publisher here. My initial thoughts to go something like The Untold History of Japanese Game Developers.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: The ⑨th Zentillion on June 29, 2016, 05:40:06 AM
Oh, man, wouldn't it be something if we saw certain titles of the print works get official western translations and repleses? Or the magazine for that matter...
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Tiamat on June 29, 2016, 07:00:12 AM
Not sure if publishing Touhou Print Works over in the west would be very profitable.  They kinda rely on a LOT of Japanese culture to get the jokes and references across, even more so than the games do.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: N-Forza on June 29, 2016, 07:11:48 AM
Older comics like the SSiB comics got translation in Asian markets, so it's not entirely far-fetched.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Suwako Moriya on June 29, 2016, 12:38:19 PM
Not sure if publishing Touhou Print Works over in the west would be very profitable.  They kinda rely on a LOT of Japanese culture to get the jokes and references across, even more so than the games do.

If Galaxy Angel can be sold to English-speaking markets, anything can.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on July 02, 2016, 02:24:58 AM
It seems there's some slight confusion with the AX catalog. It lists ZUN's panel at 8:15-9:15 PM, rather than 9:30-10:30 PM. ZUN tweeted a clarification himself.

Most likely there were only plans for a ZUN panel when the catalog was finalized. When they added a fan game panel, they also had to move ZUN into the late night 9:30 PM timeslot.

EDIT around 20:00 PST: Apparently the staff just told the people waiting in line they had no idea where ZUN is? Somebody should show them ZUN's tweet.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on July 02, 2016, 12:11:29 PM
Here (http://pastebin.com/Kiatum4a) is a transcript of the interview with ZUN.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Critz on July 02, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
While I am somewhat bummed that it's yet another Q&A panel and I still don't know the answer to what I consider two of most urgent canon questions (namely what sort of training is required to master flight in Gensokyo and whether spell card duels are magically enforced or agreed upon), I still hope that you guys have some way to verify the accuracy of this transcript - if only because that PC98 question is huge, Mima or not.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: aListers on July 02, 2016, 01:56:09 PM
Here (http://pastebin.com/Kiatum4a) is a transcript of the interview with ZUN.

I applaud the one who asked about Mima!

Also, PC-98 games were canon. I'm sure that people will retranslate what he said to the point that it's so vague it may as well not have been asked. However, Mima is confirmed canon - kind of!
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on July 02, 2016, 02:25:56 PM
While I am somewhat bummed that it's yet another Q&A panel and I still don't know the answer to what I consider two of most urgent canon questions (namely what sort of training is required to master flight in Gensokyo and whether spell card duels are magically enforced or agreed upon), I still hope that you guys have some way to verify the accuracy of this transcript - if only because that PC98 question is huge, Mima or not.
The PC-98 question is no news. He wouldn't ever give you a different answer.

The most worthwhile question from the panel is this (https://twitter.com/astrange_e/status/749112360686661632):
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Can there be a game about Maribel and Renko? "There could be, but I can't actually control myself enough to start a game with ideas in mind"
His answer obviously got distorted by interpretation so we don't know what he really meant, but it must be an interesting one.

My guess is he was saying he prefers the flexibility of tailoring fresh new characters for a game from ground up, rather than using existing characters, which restricts his creativity. See the general lack of returning characters in Touhou games, and most recently in LoLK. The decimal games are an entire different matter, as they are easy-to-make small projects, where he reuses existing code and sprites.

Also, while I love your choice of questions, I'm afraid all you can get from him is "I don't know". Last year he actually said (https://twitter.com/korindo/status/627501833280356352) on twitter: "Sorry, I will not respond to any questions related to the fiction/worldbuilding/universe/canon (設定). Well, depending on circumstances there might be times I do (laugh". While in the context he was talking about twitter, I think we can agree this rule has been well applied to his other public appearances.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Tiamat on July 02, 2016, 06:38:57 PM
The general answer to Maribel and Renko being in a game could basically be summed up as "Maybe".  I'm not sure what else they were expecting ZUN to answer with.  If he said "No", he's unnecessarily restricting himself because maybe one day he will want to have them in a game.  If he says "Yes", he's unnecessarily restricting himself cause now he's forced to have them be in a game or else he'd be a meanie for lying (and we already know that most games tend to be thought up by ZUN on the spot rather than planned way in advance... well, unless my memory was wrong).

Even ZUN doesn't know if Momiji and Aya have wolf and pointy ears, respectively.  Though that's not too surprising (all he ever made for Momiji was a sprite and the pointy-ears thing seems to just happen randomly from his art style sometimes).  Still nice to get confirmation (that even ZUN doesn't know) on that one though since it was never certain to the fans which was the case.

Whether or not PC-98 is canon is mostly just academic at this point.  If ZUN one day decides to bring back Mima, ZUN will bring back Mima, regardless of whether or not PC-98 is "canon".  After all, that's the case with Alice and Yuuka.  They and their storylines don't seem to care about whether it's canon (they don't really contradict PC-98, at least if you consider that Alice in PC-98 was never confirmed to be born in Makai) or not (they're vague enough that they could potentially just be tongue-in cheek references and don't really confirm it, either)
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Tengukami on July 02, 2016, 06:42:35 PM
Whether or not PC-98 is canon is mostly just academic at this point.

I agree. It doesn't seem to matter how often he says PC-98 can be thought of as a separate thing; some PC-98 fans seem to have this need for validation that is very strange. Like, if you enjoy the games, why does it matter? If ZUN wants to bring any of those characters back, he will, provided he can do so in a way that makes sense - as he has said every time he's asked this question.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Clarste on July 02, 2016, 07:02:43 PM
To put things in perspective, this was ZUN's commentary about Alice in the latest Strange Creator of Outside World magazine:

Quote from: ZUN
The trial version goes up to stage 3, but I didn't want to give away what would show up in the subsequent stages, or the final boss. So I brought back a character from the past just to make the players feel like it might have something to do with that (lol). The fact that the demos have 3 stages has had a huge effect on the setting and characters, and how I present them.

In other words, the right context to bring Alice back was to troll the audience into expecting other PC-98 characters in PCB.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on July 03, 2016, 01:00:58 AM
Re: the Renko and Merry question

The "maybe" part is guaranteed. It's the rationale (however irrelevant to the actual question) that's interesting.

Re: the canonicity of PC-98 is academic

Well said, though I'd add that "canon" as the contemporary fandom culture imagines it really only exist for corporate projects where multiple creators must take care maintaining an illusion of consistency. Even then, its existence is tenuous and easily broken.

(That's the meaning we use when we say "PC-98 games are Touhou canon". It's more accurately called "canonical continuity", as opposed to the sense of "canon" as the body of works that are authoritative, i.e. the bible for the Christian community; L. Frank Baum's Oz books; everything Touhou written by ZUN.)

The canonical continuity is much less meaningful for ZUN, for whom doujin creation means doing whatever he wants, however he likes it. He wouldn't love pinning himself down for the need of fulfilling some obligation of continuity.


I did forget to post this. It's our old friend Itsuari (FiveAnt) putting nearly all AX-related tweets up to the panel in one list. The panel stuff begins on Page 2.

http://togetter.com/li/994742

Among other things, it was interesting to know from the fan game panel that following the schedule of commercial game development is a huge challenge to doujin devs. You could also see that the word ZUN used for Yukari's danmaku and character is 気持ち悪い (unpleasant).

EDIT:
A recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSBYVHFUvmQ
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on July 03, 2016, 02:52:14 AM
You could also see that the word ZUN used for Yukari's danmaku and character is 気持ち悪い (unpleasant)
called it
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Fulisha of Light on July 03, 2016, 06:44:29 AM
Here (http://pastebin.com/Kiatum4a) is a transcript of the interview with ZUN.
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*Someone made a Trump meme question here which wasn't answered. Envision your average wonderful AX con-goer here.*

Wtf why would someone ask this  :wat:
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on July 03, 2016, 08:03:12 AM
About the PC-98 question; listening to the recording, when the interpreter didn't know what the asker meant by "canon" they switched to saying "official", so the interpreter used the term 正式 ("official") to ask; ZUN replied "Official" in english, and followed 「正式でいいの、これでいいの?」("Is saying official alright? Is that fine?") . The interpreter was confused by what was meant and they gave up, while ZUN was basically "wait why are they excited over that, is this the right question?".

The key points of PC-98 discussion as a whole have already been given, but we can pretty much confirm that the question was misunderstood, as expected.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Flandre5carlet on July 03, 2016, 09:58:43 AM
Honestly the Q&A and panel in general seemed pretty uninteresting. Woo, a Mima question...

Also the PC98 thing is nothing new at all and if I recall he already stated before that they take place in the same world/continuity, but if inconsistencies exist then the newer material takes precedence.  But either way the question was poorly translated, so.. 
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on July 03, 2016, 01:32:14 PM
Wtf why would someone ask this  :wat:

Apparently those people tried to derail the panel with their totally out-of-place outbursts.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Suspicious person on July 03, 2016, 02:50:18 PM
Alright, so, long thing short, there's pretty much nothing new to learn from this, haha.

Honestly the Q&A and panel in general seemed pretty uninteresting. Woo, a Mima question...
Maybe it comes down to the questions, like, how interesting they are and what kind of answers they can bring ? But then again,  with ZUN being as dodgy as he is when it comes to the canon related question, getting a solid answer may not be guaranteed. He has always been more talkative regarding his personnal views and thoughts and how much these pertains to world building instead of strict canon stuff.

Questions about stuff that aren't usually being discussed should be asked when another occasion shows itself, like, dunno, various stuff from LoLK or whether he drinks coffee or something.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: aListers on July 03, 2016, 07:58:21 PM
About the PC-98 question; listening to the recording, when the interpreter didn't know what the asker meant by "canon" they switched to saying "official", so the interpreter used the term 正式 ("official") to ask;

Out of curiosity, how would you best translate the term "canon"

I know we're never going to be able to ask it properly and every time Zun answers it, we'll instead translate the answer to be just as meaningless as always but is it a question that's possible to ask?
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on July 04, 2016, 02:12:08 AM
Like I said, the "canon" we use in the English discourse actually has at least two separate meanings.

One is the authoritative body of work. For our purpose, the adjective 公式 koushiki (official) is enough. The Sherlock Holmes (https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/シャーロック・ホームズシリーズ) fandom knows about 正典 seiten (canon) and 外典 kaiten (apocrypha), but for everybody else they are just biblical terms.

The other is the currently maintained continuity. The word for that should be 正史 seishi (officially composed history, sanctified history), as opposed to 非正史 hi-seishi (non-sanctified history). That's the word you use when you want to determine whether a piece of officially published fiction still "counts" for the universe, which is what Touhou fans mean when they debate whether the PC-98 games are canon. E.g. see the Japanese wiki for Star Wars and Star Trek.

Of course there's also fanon. Fanon, or fan-made ideas in general, are called 二次設定 niji settei (secondary settei), just as fan works are 二次創作 niji sousaku (secondary creation, generally translated as "derivative works"), hence canon as its opposite is 一次設定 ichiji settei (primary settei). For obvious reasons, you probably don't want to use the latter before ZUN.

設定 settei, literally "establishment; configuration", is a word originating from Edo era theatre, and for fiction refers to everything that forms the backstory: stage setting, worldbuilding, art design, characterization, history of events, and so on.


TL;DR:
Official continuity:
正史 seishi "sanctified history", thankfully a real life word normal people knows.

The opposite of fanon:
一次設定 ichiji settei "primary worldbuilding / characterization / etc.", fan speak, normal people won't understand.

Authoritative body of works:
Just call it 公式作品 koushiki sakuhin "official works" or official whatever. Don't bother with 正典 seiten, カノン kanon, キャノン kyanon or other translations of canon.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Shadowlupus on July 04, 2016, 08:01:09 AM
Someone had pointed out that whether Aya has wings or not has already been clarified in BAiJR Eirin article.

Aya: "That's also true, but... I guess what I mean to say is there wasn't any sense of speed. I haven't flown that slowly since my feathers grew."
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: N-Forza on July 04, 2016, 11:30:04 AM
She can have feathers without wings. Like penguins. And dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Clarste on July 04, 2016, 12:39:50 PM
Aya clearly has wings... sometimes.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Tengukami on July 04, 2016, 01:03:05 PM
I feel like the "does Aya have wings?" non-controversy is a troll question anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: the old guy on July 04, 2016, 08:33:34 PM
You could also see that the word ZUN used for Yukari's danmaku and character is 気持ち悪い (unpleasant).
Well, the proves that Yukari doesn't really care about gensokyo i guess.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Spotty Len on July 04, 2016, 11:09:06 PM
Well, the proves that Yukari doesn't really care about gensokyo i guess.
...How are those two things linked with each other?
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Clarste on July 04, 2016, 11:46:48 PM
The word used (pronounced "kimochi warui") is something I would translate as "disgusting" and refers to a visceral emotional reaction, not a moral judgment or a description of their motives. Basically he just means that no one in Gensokyo likes Yukari, which is something that was already quite clear in the dialog.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: cuc on July 05, 2016, 03:59:35 AM
Re: Aya's feather

Aya was a crow before she became tengu. (PoFV profile) I guess like immigrants, you may call her a first-gen tengu.

Well, the proves that Yukari doesn't really care about gensokyo i guess.
Just don't forget the context is characterization through gameplay. Yukari's danmaku is meant to make you uncomfortable, to convey the idea that she is a creepy monster who snatches humans from the shadows. That's the important part.

Recording of the fan game panel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDjQFkxzgUI


ZUN has now arrived at San Francisco.
(http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/mw690/c830572cgw1f5iufu8csej20zk0qodma.jpg)
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: tohosubs on July 05, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
The word used (pronounced "kimochi warui") is something I would translate as "disgusting" and refers to a visceral emotional reaction, not a moral judgment or a description of their motives. Basically he just means that no one in Gensokyo likes Yukari, which is something that was already quite clear in the dialog.

You probably know this, but let me comment on the possible nuance here for the benefit of other readers: 気持ち悪い can be キモい (disgusting) or 不気味 (creepy), and I think both meanings are intended. See for example this tweet (https://twitter.com/ZWEIGNW002/status/749529320050176000):
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紫はもともと得体のしれない胡散臭さ全開のキャラで成り立ってるから、神主はそういう意味で「気持ち悪いキャラ」と言ったのかもしれない

[edit] cuc said as much in the post right above.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Nikkanoffun on July 05, 2016, 09:14:33 PM
A more accurate word would be "dishonest" or "cheat", but as Reimu herself a bit absurd, it is expressed otherwise.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Clarste on July 05, 2016, 09:31:02 PM
What? Are we still talking about 気持ち悪い? It means creepy/disgusting and that's exactly how it's being used. ZUN's not saying Yukari's a liar, he's saying she's creepy, which as I said is entirely a visceral emotional reaction. It says nothing about the person being described other than how someone else is feeling about them.

Edit: Wait, you mean 胡散臭さ? I believe that's referring to the part in the latest Strange Creators magazine where Reimu describes Yukari as "suspiciousness itself, wearing a dress and walking around." Which is just to say that she's really suspicious and shady, from Reimu's point of view. It's definitely a fun description, but there's nothing that requires a deeper analysis about it.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: PK on July 06, 2016, 06:56:21 PM
A recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSBYVHFUvmQ
Any idea of what they say from 36:00? Someone in YT comments said it was the "trump question" or something (and also that it sucked :V), but my english listening skills are crappy.
Title: Re: Touhou developers to be guests of NIS America at Anime Expo (July 1-4, 2016)
Post by: Drake on July 06, 2016, 09:32:23 PM
If you check the transcripted interp, the trump question is after the instrument question, so yeah.

They said "when are you going to increase the border wall". Because ha-ha, the Hakurei Barrier is like a wall. But not really. Funny.