Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Topic started by: Bardiche on November 23, 2018, 02:28:10 PM

Title: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on November 23, 2018, 02:28:10 PM
HOLY SHIT

It's true, it's back, but only for a one-off showing! Mafia, the game you sit down to play with your friends, but from which you all walk away angry! So close to Christmas, what better time to get MAD at each other?

So here it is, welcome to

Bardiche's Super Special Christmas Mafia Game!
we're still bastards

The RULES of the game are SIMPLE!

0. Your Mod is the one person certified Trustabletm. Anything the Mod says is 100% true for this game! In a conflict between the Mod and the rules, or the Mod and common sense, word of mod takes precedence.
1. Unless specified in your role PM, the below rules count for everyone.
2. Each Day Phase lasts 48 hours. Each Night Phase lasts 24 hours. Once per game, the players may ##NoLynch! A simple majority ends the Day Phase immediately, without a lynch occurring. In the following night, all roles will be Mega-Roleblocked, bypassing any and all immunities to roleblocks. Exception: Scum will still be able to Night Kill during such a Night Phase.
3. Every first post must contain a ##VOTE: on a living player.
4. Scum is not required to submit a Night Kill. In such a case, no Night Kill occurs.
5. Town is NOT[/i] required to reach a majority to Lynch. At the end of the Day, all votes are tallied and whoever has the most votes will be killed! There is no "hammer" vote, i.e. the Day will not end due to having a majority of votes on someone.
6. ##DeLurk: [player] in case someone's been lurking too much. Once ##DeLurk'd by 50%+1 of the living players, a player is up for Mod Kill at the end of the Day Phase. This Mod Kill does not replace the Lynch, and can only be stopped by ##Amnesty by DeLurking players. Example:

Quote
Shadoweh has been inactive since Day 2. On Day 7, ActionDan, BBM, Shadoweh and Bardiche are the only players alive. Bardiche, that cunningly handsome scum, ##DeLurks Shadoweh. ActionDan and BBM agree, and Shadoweh is at the DeLurk threshold. Alarmed, Shadoweh makes a post saying she still exists. At the end of the Day, Shadoweh is still lynched.

Example 2:
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Zakeri started lurking on Day 1. On Day 3, a council of Serela, Refa, BT and Dorian decide to DeLurk Zakeri. Zakeri, alarmed, decides to contribute to the thread, at which point Refa and Serela grant ##Amnesty. Zakeri is not Mod Killed at the end of the Day Phase.

7. When a player has to be subbed out, they will enter a Hydra with their replacement for 24 real world hours. This is to get them up to spec on the game. This is the only Hydra possibility in the game.
8. Have fun.
9. Oh right, no outside contact, buddies. Exception: Graveyard for dead players, and Scum Chat for Scum players.
10. Addendum to above: during the Night, everyone may post once in the thread, so long as it is not relevant to the game. Post your memes, post your jokes. Dead players cannot post though because the dead are truly dead.
11. Don't edit your posts.
12. Don't post your role PMs, or quote the Mod. Exception Clause: you can quote the Mod if he posted in the thread. Any private information is private, confidential and scandalous.

This is a role madness game (determined by vote), but I guarantee your role PMs are complete. Exception Clause: If your role suggests the presence of another role in the game, that role does not necessarily exist. You can be a Bulletproof Scum where no Vigilantes exist, you can be Squeaky-Clean where there are no Cops. This is simply to avoid gaming the setup, okay folks?

Roles will be handed out by RNG.
There will be 7 Townies and 2 Scum.
There will not be an ITP.
Any rules not mentioned, but which can reasonably be expected to exist, exist. In doubt? Ask your Mod.

Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscape Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Serela on November 23, 2018, 02:29:51 PM
/in
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: ActionDan on November 23, 2018, 02:38:34 PM
/in as RNG spot 6
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: BT on November 23, 2018, 05:59:06 PM
/innnn
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 23, 2018, 07:45:35 PM
/in as ⑨ because I'm the strongest.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: WHMZakeri on November 23, 2018, 08:10:21 PM
hi i'm  here and i'm better at reading information i hope so /in
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Raikaria on November 23, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
I-i-i-t's not like I wanted to play Mafia; b-b-b-aka!

*puts up hand saying /in*
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on November 23, 2018, 11:13:46 PM
Three more open slots and then it's GONE FOREVER, folks!
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Polaris on November 24, 2018, 12:49:22 AM
/in whoooo
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: PX on November 24, 2018, 07:26:18 AM
/in It to lose it?
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: SB on November 24, 2018, 10:50:45 AM
/instant regret
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on November 24, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
That's all slots filled! I could possibly welcome more members if there is sufficient interest, game starts Monday around noon UTC.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on November 26, 2018, 12:18:57 AM
Small update: got called in for work so I'll start the game a bit later. Shadoweh gave some setup tips and I'm happy to report there's no Dead People Reviver in the setup.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 26, 2018, 10:14:02 AM
I will play in this mafia game.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 26, 2018, 10:14:30 AM
oh the OP lied to me. well I didn't actually want to play anyway!!
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: ActionDan on November 26, 2018, 02:03:46 PM
play prims :C

Bard could make a 10 player setup if he tries realllly hard
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Serela on November 26, 2018, 02:33:53 PM
omg yes I want hw in the game

if that means we need an 11th for setup purposes I will freaking get one
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: SB on November 26, 2018, 07:17:33 PM
just give the scumteam a dayvig submitted by role pm to shoot prims at the beginning of d1 and his new role shouldn't effect the balance too much
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Serela on November 26, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
maybe not d1 but

giving scum a dayvig to offset an extra townie does sound like a good idea...
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on November 26, 2018, 11:12:50 PM
omg yes I want hw in the game

if that means we need an 11th for setup purposes I will freaking get one

Nah, we won't need an 11th, I can work a 10p game. I'll just need to buff scum a bit to give them a better shot at winning! :D

Hw please confirm you want to play, I need to make an additional role for the game if you do. :) No biggie if you want to, gives me a great excuse not to start yet
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 26, 2018, 11:40:54 PM
I was just going to sign up because I thought you guys needed the players. I'll sit out but maybe join the next one if this one goes well
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on November 27, 2018, 12:05:32 AM
I was just going to sign up because I thought you guys needed the players. I'll sit out but maybe join the next one if this one goes well

"Next one", you pretend that won't be next year November!

Honestly, I wanna refine this setup a bit longer so I hope everyone's still good to go coming Friday, which gives me time to ensure the game isn't wacky out-of-balance.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: WHMZakeri on November 27, 2018, 01:37:18 PM
you can't lurk out of the game and get replaced if the game doesn't start. :smug:
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: ActionDan on November 30, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
the caltech puzzlehunt is today at noon PST so me and Polaris will be a tad preoccupied if the game starts today, just a heads up
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Serela on November 30, 2018, 03:48:47 PM
oh no you might miss ed1

the horror.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Raikaria on November 30, 2018, 07:28:53 PM
oh no you might miss eSd1

the horror.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: DNAbc on December 05, 2018, 12:22:41 AM
Damn this is nostalgic.

I will watch warmly to see how this plays out
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Serela on December 06, 2018, 10:57:44 PM
Honestly, I wanna refine this setup a bit longer so I hope everyone's still good to go coming Friday, which gives me time to ensure the game isn't wacky out-of-balance.
the secret is he meant the friday after that
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 10, 2018, 06:04:23 AM
part of the game balance is that you have to figure out which friday he meant.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: SB on December 10, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
im hoping to get some real mileage out of ##delurk
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Serela on December 11, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
##Delurk:Bardiche
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Raikaria on December 11, 2018, 04:50:54 PM
Just like old times; right guys?

[Although I cannot recall Bard being the lurker]
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on December 17, 2018, 02:14:27 AM
I had a minor major pre-Christmas crisis disaster but I'm fine, thanks for asking, I'll get the game rolling tomorrow with some super duper cool ace role PMs.

Uuuh I'm gonna send scum a modified PM that won't tell them who their partner is until both scums confirm they're STILL IN THE GAME AWMAN, because the delays could've turned you guys off like a faulty water faucet.

Yeah.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on December 18, 2018, 02:20:36 AM
UPDATE:
All role PMs sent!
If you did not receive a role PM, PM me in private to get it.
Please and thanks~

Confirm reception either here or to me in private, game starts after all players confirm (to make sure we still have a full roster ;()
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 18, 2018, 02:32:42 AM
Oui Oui, I am, 'ow do you say- "Here".
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: ActionDan on December 18, 2018, 02:53:48 AM
Confirming!!!!
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Polaris on December 18, 2018, 02:56:32 AM
confirming :derp:
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Serela on December 18, 2018, 03:07:08 AM
conforming
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 18, 2018, 04:13:41 AM
I would like to confirm that I have, indeed, received my role PM.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: BT on December 18, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Oh snap
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: SB on December 18, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
To your right, you can see a confirmation post!
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Raikaria on December 18, 2018, 06:29:39 PM
I have a [1] next to my 'My Messages' tab.

Saving that one for Christmas.
Title: Re: Mafia of the Kaleidoscope Part 3: Lynched Townies Tell No Tales
Post by: Bardiche on December 19, 2018, 11:51:54 PM
CONFIRMED PLAYERS:
1. WHMZakeri
2. ActionDan
3. Polaris
4. Serela
5. Dormio
6. BT
7. SB
8. Raikaria
9. PX

THAT MEANS THE GAME IS A-GO-GO!
As a friendly reminder: your first post must contain a vote!

Day Ends in about 48 hours.
Handy Timer here. (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1)

I've given you guys seven more minutes, because I'm nice like that.

Though the rules don't state it, obviously don't edit your posts. As a sliiiiight edit to the rules, consider:

Extra Rule #1: As soon as the game is declared LYLO, all powers become inaccessible.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: ActionDan on December 20, 2018, 12:00:08 AM
##Vote: SB

People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 12:10:20 AM
##Vote: Dormio

Tell us how it's like getting a stethoscope shoved up your ass.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 20, 2018, 12:22:28 AM
##Vote: Polaris

I literally shoved 1-9 into an RNG
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 12:27:25 AM
##Vote: PX for being a kumquat and confirming in private and not in the thread????? What are you hiding
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Bardiche on December 20, 2018, 12:42:14 AM
FRIENDLY NOTE:
Everyone has a post restriction and breaking it once or twice won't result in a mod kill. But please play according to your post restriction because it's fun! o/
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: ActionDan on December 20, 2018, 12:50:13 AM
I'm detecting some negative energy; I just know we can do better! Turn those frowns upside down!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 20, 2018, 03:55:20 AM
Bonjour, Mis aminos.

##Vote: Polaris
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 20, 2018, 04:07:29 AM
##Vote:

I'm just gonna have you guys know right off, I'm the BEST PERSON HERE. You better not even entertain any thoughts that I'm mafia; I'm so good, one time I saw a bunch of homeless people about to snort some cocaine, so I quickly rushed to inhale it all myself, saving them from the woes of drug addiction!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 20, 2018, 04:08:26 AM
OH
uh
##Vote:ActionDan

I was SO DISTRACTED with how GREAT I am that I forgot to say that DAN is... very suspicious!!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 20, 2018, 04:49:36 AM
Greetings, my fellow players. My name is Dormio, and if you require any legal consultations regarding your entry into heaven, I shall be more than happy to help break down any of the legal processes for a meager sum of money.
Now, with my introduction out of the way, and in accordance with Rule Number 3 [1], I shall open my post with a ##Vote: Serela.
In addition I would like to note that, after reviewing the rules provided for this game as well as the contents of my role PM, it would appear as though none of us are technically allowed to post in the thread.
I, therefore, make a formal request to the moderator of this game to create an additional rule to the game specifying which players are allowed to post within this thread. I know that, in accordance with the rules, anyone that has not died may make a single post during the night phases [2] and we are not allowed to make posts quoting private conversations with the moderator [3] but there are no clear statements regarding who is allowed to post in the game during the day.
With the basic housekeeping out of the way I would, again, like to give my warmest greetings to my fellow players and ask that should you require any legal advice, I am but a forum post away.



[1] 3. Every first post must contain a ##VOTE: on a living player.
[2] 10. Addendum to above: during the Night, everyone may post once in the thread, so long as it is not relevant to the game. Post your memes, post your jokes. Dead players cannot post though because the dead are truly dead.
[3] 12. Don't post your role PMs, or quote the Mod. Exception Clause: you can quote the Mod if he posted in the thread. Any private information is private, confidential and scandalous.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 20, 2018, 05:32:11 AM
FRIENDLY NOTE:
Everyone has a post restriction and breaking it once or twice won't result in a mod kill. But please play according to your post restriction because it's fun! \o/
I am exercising my mod-given right to quote the mod, because of course, I am great and ALWAYS follow EVERY rule! I also ##Vote:Dormio for immense drudgery, I forgot how wonderful you are! If I am ever in a hopeless situation and need a lawyer to find the most ridiculous loophole I shall find you immediately!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 20, 2018, 06:09:50 AM
Serela's post highlights another technicality regarding the rules [1] that I motion for the moderator to address.
Whilst the rules state that the first post must contain a vote on a living player, there are no rules regulating the usage of votes and unvotes during the day phase.
I request that clarification be provided on whether votes need to be preceded by an unvote in the case that the player placing the new vote has already placed a vote on another player prior to placing the new vote.



[1] 3. Every first post must contain a ##VOTE: on a living player.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: PX on December 20, 2018, 08:19:48 AM
Until this rule infraction is cleared up, I shall  ##Vote: Serela

Remember, it's always helpful to double check your post before hitting that button!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 20, 2018, 10:07:46 AM
##Vote: Serela

And here you can see the Serela, flailing around in its natural habitat. Unlike most animals, the Serela holds the unique prestige of being neither a Carnivore, Herbivore or Omnivore. Instead, the species sustains itself with references to Captain Planet and eating four crayons a day (but not purple ones, they don't digest as well as the others).
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Bardiche on December 20, 2018, 01:11:38 PM
Dear Dormio.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GlamorousHardBaldeagle-max-1mb.gif)
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WearyPitifulAmazontreeboa-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 20, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
Praise the Lord! Serela is being Serela! Things just don't change around here, do they?

And yet while Serela performs his trademark flailing, my children are interpreting his day-to-day activities as those of the man below! In my Holy books; Serena managing to ##Vote: and then forget to actually vote is amusing, not a confession of sin!

We are but humans after all, and to expect perfection, which only the Lord can achieve, is blasphemous!

My vote shall, for the time being, remain where it is. I have yet to see anything definitive.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 04:52:23 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: SB


I'm a rogue. Wanna see what I can do to you with a tongue depresser? Because that's what you're gonna get for being third on the wagon.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 20, 2018, 04:53:24 PM
Please keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times, BT.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: ActionDan on December 20, 2018, 06:56:14 PM
Conversely, I'd love to encourage your use of tongue BT. Let's practice together, I'm sure we'll be experts in no time!

I think the best way to vote is to vote on a separate line, as to be clear and visible; You're all so capable let's get it right!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 20, 2018, 07:36:46 PM
Conversely, I'd love to encourage your use of tongue BT. Let's practice together, I'm sure we'll be experts in no time!

I think the best way to vote is to vote on a separate line, as to be clear and visible; You're all so capable let's get it right!

Can I get an Amen to that first line? Although, thinking about it, something seems a little suspect about that. BT is far from the only one who isn't doing enough confessing in this thread so far.

For example; the omission of SB who's just as guilt of a lack of tongue exercise. Or how about PX? Zakeri?

Seems a little strange to judge only one neighbour, and not all thy neighbors being treated the same as thou would wish to be treated.

##:Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 20, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
The rules do not state that the aforementioned action [4] is required, though this could likely be an oversight as the rules do not provide details on the voting process outside than the precedent set in rule 3 [1], and therefore I will be abstaining from commenting further on this matter until my previously requested clarification [5] is provided.
In addition to my prior request to the moderator [5], I request that BT also provide a response regarding his post [6]. I wish for clarification on whether the referred post [6] is one that you have submitted as a serious vote or if you wish to waive that vote by quoting rule 3 [1].



[1] 3. Every first post must contain a ##VOTE: on a living player.
[4] I think the best way to vote is to vote on a separate line, as to be clear and visible; You're all so capable let's get it right!
[5] I, therefore, make a formal request to the moderator of this game to create an additional rule to the game specifying which players are allowed to post within this thread. I know that, in accordance with the rules, anyone that has not died may make a single post during the night phases [2] and we are not allowed to make posts quoting private conversations with the moderator [3] but there are no clear statements regarding who is allowed to post in the game during the day.
[6] I'm a rogue. Wanna see what I can do to you with a tongue depresser? Because that's what you're gonna get for being third on the wagon.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 07:53:30 PM
All of your post restrictions are horrible (and by all of them I mean olive them haha get it) anyway I think I have the easiest restriction to deal with

##Unvote
##Vote BT


Honestly I have nothing to work with here, how did we even get out of joke vote phases before??? I just didn't like BT's "third on the wagon" vote because of how boring and expected it was. I was like "c'mon.... can't we make up better early day 1 vote excuses than this???"

Dan's irrelevant posts with no game progression look like cheerleading oh god i'm sorry that's just because of your post restriction isn't it

Raikaria can you restate your vote on Dan in a way that isn't totally obscured by your post restriction
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 08:05:35 PM
I just realized BT is supposed to be, like, a doctor, hence stethoscope and tongue depressor. before that I was assuming he was some sexual deviant.

In terms of the #1 post restriction that to make me go bananas though, that would probably be Dormio.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 08:11:33 PM
post restrictions are a good way to make me not want to post multiple times BUT........ I just realized Dormio didn't actually change his vote or anything, I just got bamboozled by his rule quote in the footnotes

##Unvote
##Vote Dormio


orange you gonna use your vote, Dormio???
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 20, 2018, 08:16:25 PM
As I mentioned in my prior post [7] I am awaiting a response from BT with regards to whether his vote was a serious one or one that was made to satisfy the requirement of rule 3 [1].


[1] 3. Every first post must contain a ##VOTE: on a living player.
[7] In addition to my prior request to the moderator [5], I request that BT also provide a response regarding his post [6]. I wish for clarification on whether the referred post [6] is one that you have submitted as a serious vote or if you wish to waive that vote by quoting rule 3 [1].
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 08:21:48 PM
Your posting style is driving me coco-nuts but I'll leave my vote on Dormio for the time being because using your vote sparingly??? in early day 1???? puh-leeze

so yeah he's easily the worst here right now (though that's basically as useful as being the tallest dwarf, come on, where even is everybody. where's serela)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 20, 2018, 08:26:18 PM
With regards to your statement [8], I see no need to move my vote from where it is given Serela's immediate OMGUS response [9a] [9b].



[8] Your posting style is driving me coco-nuts but I'll leave my vote on Dormio for the time being because using your vote sparingly??? in early day 1???? puh-leeze
[9a] Now, with my introduction out of the way, and in accordance with Rule Number 3 [1], I shall open my post with a ##Vote: Serela.
[9b] I also ##Vote:Dormio for immense drudgery, I forgot how wonderful you are!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
i actually did not see that serela vote on dormio

posted from my apple iphone
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 08:51:05 PM
here's a lemon fresh votecount for y'all to make up for that mistake, which probably would not have been made had a votecount existed

SB (2): ActionDan, BT
Dormio (2): Serela, Polaris
Polaris (1): Zakeri
Serela (3): Dormio, PX, SB
ActionDan (1): Raikaria
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 09:10:22 PM
Conversely, I'd love to encourage your use of tongue BT. Let's practice together, I'm sure we'll be experts in no time!
(https://i.imgur.com/Q64gLJt.jpg)

Can I get an Amen to that first line?
(https://i.imgur.com/HGUfE7V.jpg)

In addition to my prior request to the moderator [5], I request that BT also provide a response regarding his post [6]. I wish for clarification on whether the referred post [6] is one that you have submitted as a serious vote or if you wish to waive that vote by quoting rule 3 [1].
Sure it was.

I just realized BT is supposed to be, like, a doctor, hence stethoscope and tongue depressor. before that I was assuming he was some sexual deviant.
You must be fun at the operating table.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 09:16:26 PM
Honestly I have nothing to work with here, how did we even get out of joke vote phases before??? I just didn't like BT's "third on the wagon" vote because of how boring and expected it was. I was like "c'mon.... can't we make up better early day 1 vote excuses than this???"
Really, though, you're gonna talk about having trouble starting the game and then rag on me for trying? Consider going to an optometrist if you're gonna be this short-sighted.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 09:21:41 PM
I don't want to vote for Pollykins, though. Most of my ADHD-diagnosed patients can't help themselves when they're excited to talk to new people.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela


Let's see what this pill does.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 20, 2018, 09:37:47 PM
W-wait, how did I suddenly end up at majority minus one? I'm such a good person once I took all of my friend's Xanax at once so he couldn't overdose on it later!

Actually, seriously, why is this? BT just threw a fourth vote on me with nothing more than "let's see what this does!" He had more of a reason to vote Polly but he didn't feel like it, so he jumped on the big fat bandwagon literally Just Because! Hmmmmm...

##Unvote
##Vote:BT

Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 09:53:23 PM
Go on... have anything else to share with your friends at the pediatric intensive care unit?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 20, 2018, 10:07:02 PM
Go on... have anything else to share with your friends at the pediatric intensive care unit?
I'm not sure whether you're asking for more casing (we're still baaarely out of jokevoting phase so...) or implying that I might need immediate medical assistance for my SELFLESS ACTS OF KINDNESS
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 20, 2018, 10:13:48 PM
I'm not sure whether you're asking for more casing (we're still baaarely out of jokevoting phase so...) or implying that I might need immediate medical assistance for my SELFLESS ACTS OF KINDNESS
You're positive. My condolences.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 20, 2018, 10:15:52 PM
As someone has said to me at confessionals before, one would have to be a fool to panic about being at L-1 so early into D1. A scum quickhammer would basically be throwing the game away for them. And we all know that the scum are condemned to Hell, as the Good Book states!

Celery, I doubt the Angels are coming to deliver judgement quite yet.

Still; various reactions and interactions are being noted. Not into the Good Book; but into my handy little notebook. It's difficult to remember every detail about those confessions after all...

You're positive. My condolences.

I'm B Negative personally.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Bardiche on December 20, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
VOTECOUNT
SB (1): ActionDan, BT
Dormio (1): BT, Serela, Polaris
Polaris (1): Raikaria, WHMZakeri
PX (0): Polaris
ActionDan (1): Serela, Raikaria
Serela (4): Dormio, PX, SB, BT
BT (1): Polaris, Serela

End of Day 1 Timer (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1)

Article 1.
Persons registered for a forum account at the domain "shrinemaiden.org" and its associated domains have the right to become a "Player" in the game "Mafia of the Kaleidoscope" hosted by Bardiche, hereafter referred to as "Moderator." All following articles apply to all persons who have become "Players" in the game, by submitting a registration accepted by the Moderator, unless otherwise determined by the "Role PM", containing all relevant role information.

Article 2.
Every Player has the right to submit a post on the message board hosted at "shrinemaiden.org", in the topic numbered 21626, otherwise known as the "game thread." Such posts may only be made during the 48 hours referred to as "Day Phase" per the rules submitted by the Moderator. Exceptions apply only if and in case of such clauses being made available in the "Rules." If not otherwise determined, this article automatically applies.

Article 3.
Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things.

I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 20, 2018, 10:42:51 PM
I'm B Negative personally.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/458432886069133325/525439781413322752/unknown.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/458432886069133325/525439836795174915/unknown.png)

*cue x-files theme*

posted from my apple iphone
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: PX on December 20, 2018, 10:58:22 PM
Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead!

##Vote: Serela

Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: ActionDan on December 20, 2018, 11:02:36 PM
In my best attempt to answer the inquisitive Raikaria, I was not seeing much alignment indicative behavior at the time of my last post aside from a passing thought that polly-kun's first post had a town ring to it. I do disagree with his reservations about the impressive lawyerly ways of our Dormio. I haven't processed what may be sufficient content to get a read (or better read as the case may be) on BT/Serela/Polly/Dormio from these last couple pages just yet?but I will come back and do so. Let's all do our very best to find the scum; I know we can do it!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 20, 2018, 11:53:52 PM
Interesting.

I shall admit, I was clutching at the first thing that looked even slightly unholy that I saw. An attempt to get the game moving from random actions. It appears to be a sacred duty of mine to do this. Some things never change, especially in the eyes of the Lord.

ActionDan's confessions to me appear to be in order, although the town-ring from Polly [Who's Polly? I forgot who's nickname that was] is curious and a useful confession.

Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead!

##Vote: Serela

Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game

Oh the other hand, subterfuge and timewasteing are not appreciated in the confessional booth. We should be attempting to help each other root out the sin. Not posting meaningless prattle halfway through this first most Holy Day.

Lurking in the shadows because you have nothing to say is one thing. Actively spouting unhelpful nonsense is quite another.

##Unvote

## Vote: PX
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 20, 2018, 11:58:34 PM
Another thing that I forgot to mention regarding Celery's paniced confessionals earlier:

Quote
5. Town is NOT[/i] required to reach a majority to Lynch. At the end of the Day, all votes are tallied and whoever has the most votes will be killed! There is no "hammer" vote, i.e. the Day will not end due to having a majority of votes on someone.

L-1 isn't even a thing written in the Holy Scriptures. Perhaps the reaction was one of habit. I myself failed to notice the norm was not in force.

But it is something additional to keep in mind. We could all vote for Serela right now, and he would still not become a waffle in the arms of the Angels until time is up.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
Also OOC question due to the game starting late:

Extended Night Phase for the 25th/26th?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 12:02:24 AM
Oh my, Oh me, My petite mon cherry is pushed to ze edge.

I am beginning to sense something zat is, how you say, mah-leh-fique?

##Unvote: Polaris
##Vote: BT
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 12:05:27 AM
While I would like a more... explanatory explanation from Zakeri, I must confess myself that BT is suspct of sin for the same reason as PX according to the Good Book. My decision to vote for the latter was merely spurred by recency. PX's nonsense occurred later into play than BT's.

I say Amen to Zakeri saying something seems a little off regarding BT. Although I cannot say Amen to non-existent reasoning.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 12:08:08 AM
Monsieur Raikaria, I fear dze point you may have addressed may counter dze post I just made, how-eh-Vehr, I will stand by my action.

Dzat iz to say, Dze point of 'ow we are in-no-dan-ger of dze day ending earleah.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Bardiche on December 21, 2018, 12:24:39 AM
Also OOC question due to the game starting late:

Extended Night Phase for the 25th/26th?

> implying I'd be on to run the game during Christmas Eve

Granted, my friend!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 12:35:02 AM
I like how Zak says mon cherry because now I can copy it because cherry is a fruit.

##Unvote since Dormio isn't the biggest problem here anymore

Honestly my initial reaction to BT voting Serela was "ok wtf are you doing" and I wanted to change my vote to him, but honestly Serela's reactionary voting (in response to Dormio and then to BT) is almost as bad. I've been mulling over the two of them for a while now and lsdkla;jfdla

##Unvote
##Vote BT


this is what I feel in my heart right now. I think I'd be ok with changing my vote to Serela too but the problem is I'm not totally ok with everyone who's voting Serela (plus SB who hasn't posted beyond his first post yet) which makes me less ok with changing my vote to Serela, if that makes sense?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 12:36:00 AM
i unvoted twice not by accident but because i wanted to spite bard *blows raspberry*
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 21, 2018, 12:40:23 AM
I dislike PX for the same reason as not liking BT! PX's is objectively worse but w/e I don't like either of them!

I don't understand how Polaris can have the exact same reaction to BT's vote on me, and vote him over it... while thinking my identical vote looks bad! That doesn't make SENSE! ;_; I'm such a good person, once I self-vote in lylo to save everyone from drudgery of waiting out the day!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
serela, mon cherry, you're already showing a pattern of reactionary "responding only to people that suspect you"

(insert that one maizono face where she looks concerned but it's almost like fake concern, i feel like that would apply here)

...i mean i guess that's fair because it's like half the game lmao. any thoughts on raikaria or zak?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 12:58:41 AM
i don't actually care about raikaria or zak but I feel like the best progression of the game rn would be for serela to Talk A Lot, because then it would help me analyze serela + it would force everyone on his wagon to update their cases on him, allowing me to analyze them too so how about them apples
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 21, 2018, 01:06:28 AM
Raikaria looks 100% fine, Zak's posts are kind of bare which isn't great but unlike px/bt I don't think his vote looks actively scummy, so he could still go either way, solidly neutral/not enough to form a read. Confirming to your demands makes me such a good person!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 01:57:21 AM
well that didn't really help. where's serious bananas
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 04:29:25 AM
Firstly, I would like to thank the moderator for the additions of articles 1 [10], 2 [11], and 3 [12]. Now, moving onto more pressing matters, I would again like to address Serela. Disregarding Serela's first serious vote on myself [9b] being terrible in and of itself, his second serious vote [13] is yet another OMGUS vote.
Also, before I continue, I feel the need to correct Raikaria and Serela regarding their posts [14] [15] that a set number for majorities and the concept of a hammer does not exist for the purposes of this game as per rule 5. [16]
With regards to Serela, I am of the opinion that whilst Serela is a terrible person for being unable to follow the basic rules that have been laid out for us by the moderator in order to maintain a civil discussion. However, I am also of the opinion that this does not necessarily doom Serela to the pits of hell.
Serela certainly does himself no favors with his most recent post [17] wherein he states a series of opinions with minimal justification for aforementioned opinions and his overall play leaves a lot to be desired, but despite this my professional opinion is that Serela's behaviors can be explained through stupidity and negligence as opposed to malicious intent.

Whilst this would be where I would normally place an unvote, in accordance with article 3 [12], I shall abstain from this action as the moderator has deemed it unnecessary.
##Vote: BT

Following my previous line of questioning towards BT [18a] [18b], his vote on SB [6] seems quite lazy to me. His followup vote on Serela [19] further builds this sentiment that BT is not actively attempting to find the traitors in our midst that would prefer to live in a world without rules to govern our behaviors and instead looking for easy targets for the lynch.
PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.


[1] 3. Every first post must contain a ##VOTE: on a living player.
[6] I'm a rogue. Wanna see what I can do to you with a tongue depresser? Because that's what you're gonna get for being third on the wagon.
[9b] I also ##Vote:Dormio for immense drudgery, I forgot how wonderful you are!
[10] Persons registered for a forum account at the domain "shrinemaiden.org" and its associated domains have the right to become a "Player" in the game "Mafia of the Kaleidoscope" hosted by Bardiche, hereafter referred to as "Moderator." All following articles apply to all persons who have become "Players" in the game, by submitting a registration accepted by the Moderator, unless otherwise determined by the "Role PM", containing all relevant role information.
[11] Every Player has the right to submit a post on the message board hosted at "shrinemaiden.org", in the topic numbered 21626, otherwise known as the "game thread." Such posts may only be made during the 48 hours referred to as "Day Phase" per the rules submitted by the Moderator. Exceptions apply only if and in case of such clauses being made available in the "Rules." If not otherwise determined, this article automatically applies.
[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[13] Actually, seriously, why is this? BT just threw a fourth vote on me with nothing more than "let's see what this does!" He had more of a reason to vote Polly but he didn't feel like it, so he jumped on the big fat bandwagon literally Just Because! Hmmmmm...
[14] As someone has said to me at confessionals before, one would have to be a fool to panic about being at L-1 so early into D1. A scum quickhammer would basically be throwing the game away for them.
[15] W-wait, how did I suddenly end up at majority minus one?
[16] 5. Town is NOT required to reach a majority to Lynch. At the end of the Day, all votes are tallied and whoever has the most votes will be killed! There is no "hammer" vote, i.e. the Day will not end due to having a majority of votes on someone.
[17] Raikaria looks 100% fine, Zak's posts are kind of bare which isn't great but unlike px/bt I don't think his vote looks actively scummy, so he could still go either way, solidly neutral/not enough to form a read. Confirming to your demands makes me such a good person!
[18a] In addition to my prior request to the moderator [5], I request that BT also provide a response regarding his post [6]. I wish for clarification on whether the referred post [6] is one that you have submitted as a serious vote or if you wish to waive that vote by quoting rule 3 [1].
[18b] Sure it was.
[19] Let's see what this pill does.
[20] Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead! (...) Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 07:18:50 AM
Due to the rushed nature of my prior post, and acting in accordance with rule 11 [21], this post has been created to amend the following statements from the prior post:



[21] 11. Don't edit your posts.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 07:40:25 AM
ActionDan's confessions to me appear to be in order, although the town-ring from Polly [Who's Polly? I forgot who's nickname that was] is curious and a useful confession.
Pollykins is Polaris, sweetie.

While I would like a more... explanatory explanation from Zakeri, I must confess myself that BT is suspct of sin for the same reason as PX according to the Good Book. My decision to vote for the latter was merely spurred by recency. PX's nonsense occurred later into play than BT's.

I say Amen to Zakeri saying something seems a little off regarding BT. Although I cannot say Amen to non-existent reasoning.
Here I gotta ask, though. PX's votes, my vote and Zak's were all sorta similar, we didn't enunciate word-by-word why we're voting the person. But, I mean, you can try reading the posts to make sense of them:

PX says he doesn't like Serela's responses under pressure:

Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead!

##Vote: Serela

Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
Mine was a pressure vote, but I was also surprised by how little Serela had to say at that point. I mean, voting the guy who just immediately voted and not saying anything else is... pretty nondescript:

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela


Let's see what this pill does.
Go on... have anything else to share with your friends at the pediatric intensive care unit?
Zak's vote was actually the most cryptic:

Oh my, Oh me, My petite mon cherry is pushed to ze edge.

I am beginning to sense something zat is, how you say, mah-leh-fique?

##Unvote: Polaris
##Vote: BT

He says he senses something but that can be a substitute for anything.

So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 07:41:46 AM
That's not a diagnosis. Guess it's more quality time with the defibrillator for me.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 07:43:25 AM
Monsieur Raikaria, I fear dze point you may have addressed may counter dze post I just made, how-eh-Vehr, I will stand by my action.

Dzat iz to say, Dze point of 'ow we are in-no-dan-ger of dze day ending earleah.
Do you want the defibrillator? Because I just checked and it's running fine.

Is your reason seriously that you thought we were running Serela up to hammerzone? And then you figured out there's no hammerzone, but you kept the vote anyway?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 07:45:40 AM

Honestly my initial reaction to BT voting Serela was "ok wtf are you doing" and I wanted to change my vote to him, but honestly Serela's reactionary voting (in response to Dormio and then to BT) is almost as bad. I've been mulling over the two of them for a while now and lsdkla;jfdla
this is what I feel in my heart right now. I think I'd be ok with changing my vote to Serela too but the problem is I'm not totally ok with everyone who's voting Serela (plus SB who hasn't posted beyond his first post yet) which makes me less ok with changing my vote to Serela, if that makes sense?
It makes sense. Serela's labyrinthitis is worse than the people voting him, though...
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 07:50:18 AM
(insert that one maizono face where she looks concerned but it's almost like fake concern, i feel like that would apply here)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/e/ef/Sayaka_Maizono_Halfbody_Sprite_%2817%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170521222324)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/1/16/Sayaka_Maizono_Halfbody_Sprite_%282%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170521222318)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/7/75/Sayaka_Maizono_Halfbody_Sprite_%283%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170521222318)

Which one do you prefer? Your results will be kept under medical confidentiality.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 08:01:42 AM
I thought for sure Serela has stage 3 testicular cancer, his posts were reactionary and don't convey a want to engage in the game, but the latest posts seem more relaxed under pressure. After reading them the second time...

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakerei


Methinks the suspicious people may be in the sidelines.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 08:06:54 AM
For those of you who enjoy skimming your posts almost as much as I enjoy formication:

I'm voting Zak because it seemed like he disliked the Serela wagon (and the late joiners on it) because of vote tallies (hence his vote) but then he figured out vote tallies don't matter as much as they usually do and then proceeded to do fuck all and leave.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 09:41:35 AM
Now that I have some more time available to myself, I shall create a post further detailing my thoughts on PX and BT from my prior post [22] as necessitated by BT's recent stream of posts which shall be referred to within the appendix as necessary.
The first statement that I wish to address is BT's initial argument against Zakeri [23a]. What I find interesting about the argument presented within this post [23] is that he argues with the people attacking him by stating that WHMZakeri is guilty of the same crimes that he has committed and appears to be affected more by the fact that WHMZakeri is not being prosecuted for committing the same crimes as himself rather than the fact that he has been accused of a crime himself.
Now, this is simple speculation on my part, but I am still presenting the following statement as part of my case: I believe that the above speculation suggests that BT is not mounting a defense against the accusations surrounding himself as he holds a guilty conscience and is instead focused on searching for a scapegoat onto which he can push the blame.
This speculation on my behalf is supported by BT's next post [23b] explaining why he is voting for WHMZakeri. Within this post, there is no mention of why WHMZakeri should be voted for as opposed to himself or PX, the two mentioned within BT's prior post [23a]. I believe that this failure to address this issue supports my speculation that BT is searching for a scapegoat to push the blame onto rather than actively searching for those who would disregard the rules of civil conduct.

Secondly with regards to PX as others, including myself, have already mentioned [23a] [24a] [24b] [25] [26] PX's conduct has been less than what most would deem satisfactory. I, therefore, submit a formal request to PX that he provide clarification with regards to his actions lest he face charges of criminal negligence.



[22]Following my previous line of questioning towards BT [18a] [18b], his vote on SB [6] seems quite lazy to me. His followup vote on Serela [19] further builds this sentiment that BT is not actively attempting to find the traitors in our midst that would prefer to live in a world without rules to govern our behaviors and instead looking for easy targets for the lynch. PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
[23a] So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?
[23b] I'm voting Zak because it seemed like he disliked the Serela wagon (and the late joiners on it) because of vote tallies (hence his vote) but then he figured out vote tallies don't matter as much as they usually do and then proceeded to do fuck all and leave.
[24a] Oh the other hand, subterfuge and timewasteing are not appreciated in the confessional booth. We should be attempting to help each other root out the sin. Not posting meaningless prattle halfway through this first most Holy Day. Lurking in the shadows because you have nothing to say is one thing. Actively spouting unhelpful nonsense is quite another
[24b] While I would like a more... explanatory explanation from Zakeri, I must confess myself that BT is suspct of sin for the same reason as PX according to the Good Book. My decision to vote for the latter was merely spurred by recency. PX's nonsense occurred later into play than BT's.
[25] I dislike PX for the same reason as not liking BT! PX's is objectively worse but w/e I don't like either of them!
[26] PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
In addition, I shall reference Polaris' earlier post [27] and submit a formal request for SB to provide clarification regarding his actions as his prior posts [28] [29] have been non-conducive to the continuation of the game as well and may be construed as negligence if action is not taken.



[27] well that didn't really help. where's serious bananas
[28] And here you can see the Serela, flailing around in its natural habitat. Unlike most animals, the Serela holds the unique prestige of being neither a Carnivore, Herbivore or Omnivore. Instead, the species sustains itself with references to Captain Planet and eating four crayons a day (but not purple ones, they don't digest as well as the others).
[29] Please keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times, BT.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 09:58:10 AM
Dormio, that's confusing. I didn't tell anyone on my wagon to vote Zak over me. Neither did I tell that to Raikaria, and he wasn't even on my wagon. What you think is shift blaming is me trying to talk to Rai and get a read on him..

You do make a point about why aren't I voting PX, but, well, I think his vote on Serela is better than Zak's vote on me, so don't sternutate just yet. You can see post #101 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416772.html#msg1416772) for why I think that's the case. If you're looking for why Zak over me or PX, that's literally what I explain in that post.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
The other person I considered voting over Zakerei was Dan because he's another person I think isn't trying to engage hard enough and may have had an option to post more content but didn't. Nasogastric tube.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:03:43 AM
[/b]##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri[/b]

That's not how you spell that name.
D E F I B R I L L A T O R
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri


D E F I B R I L L A T O R
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:38:54 AM
So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?

I have arose on this most Holy... afternoon I guess of the Day. Even the divine agents need shuteye.

You may have missed it, my child, but I did pressure Zakeri for more information on his vote. Does this not suggest I was displeased? I stated I could not agree with Zakeri's reasoning, after all.

I but only have a single vote. I am but only one shepherd of the Lord. I simply kept my vote on PX because he has yet to contribute anything meaningful at all to these confessionals. Zakeri, at least, has given a townread. My accusation of PX being unhelpful largely stemmed from his re-vote upon the same person, and the statement

Quote
Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game

Indicating his vote was intended to confuse. Sowing seeds of discord among this most holy town is not a thing that can be approved of by the Lord. And in such an early stage of the game, that I felt was significant enough to at least chase.

I hope that answers your query, my child. I simply saw PX as the worst of the three. And as of yet, I have yet to see anything of PX to indicate he is a useful member of this congregation, and not a serpent sent by the Devil to poison us.

Also, before I continue, I feel the need to correct Raikaria and Serela regarding their posts [14] [15] that a set number for majorities and the concept of a hammer does not exist for the purposes of this game as per rule 5. [16]

I understand you are doing your duty, my child; but I had already noticed and corrected that mistake in an earlier post, and even pointed it out as a mistake caused by habit.

I point this out primarily because I decided to re-read your posts. Several times. Due to this statement.

Dormio, that's confusing. I didn't tell anyone on my wagon to vote Zak over me. Neither did I tell that to Raikaria, and he wasn't even on my wagon. What you think is shift blaming is me trying to talk to Rai and get a read on him..

I don't see any direct implication from Dormio that I specifically was being encouraged to switch vote onto Zakeri. This is a line of interaction which I feel I should pay close attention to from here on forth. The confessional booth is always open after all. Unless it's in use, naturally.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:45:03 AM
Also; I can see you at the back of the chior. I can see you are not praising His name.

Open your mouths and confess; the Lord implores you, Zakeri, SB, PX, ActionDan. The more confessions I hear, the more I have to make a judgement upon.

And those who do not sing His praises are suspect for their silence. It is, after all, a common mistake by us imperfect beings to fight among our vocal selves while the true threat lets us weaken each other from the shadows. It could be, and likely is, that the members of this congregation who are at least making attempts to find the sinners are all Children of the Lord.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:48:09 AM
Quote
Quote from: PX on December 20, 2018, 10:58:22 pm

    Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead!

    ##Vote: Serela

    Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game

Mine was a pressure vote, but I was also surprised by how little Serela had to say at that point. I mean, voting the guy who just immediately voted and not saying anything else is... pretty nondescript:

I find this quote from BT, and then the follow-up comment most... strange. Last I checked, the two-letter named people were not one and the same.

Could it be a slip of a forked tongue of a snake, suggesting some form of collaberation? A genuine mistake? I would like some clarifying confessions regarding this.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:54:58 AM
...No, you just read the post wrong. I talked about PX, quoted PX, then talked about myself, and quoted myself. Cool your coccyx.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 01:59:36 PM
well that didn't really help. where's serious bananas

As you can see to your left... I was doing uni work and forgot to post tbh.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
VOTECOUNT
SB (1): ActionDan, BT
Dormio (0): BT, Serela, Polaris
Polaris (0): Raikaria, WHMZakeri
PX (0): Polaris, Raikaria
ActionDan (0): Serela, Raikaria
Serela (3): PX, SB, BT
BT (4): Polaris, Serela, WHMZakeri, Polaris, Dormio (L-1!)

End of Day 1 Timer (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1)

To apologise for the late arrival of your tour guide, please take this free votecount (also bc I kind of need it to figure things out).
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 02:33:24 PM
In addition, I shall reference Polaris' earlier post [27] and submit a formal request for SB to provide clarification regarding his actions as his prior posts [28] [29] have been non-conducive to the continuation of the game as well and may be construed as negligence if action is not taken.

I voted Serela because having more votes on the same person is better than spreading them around because you turn them into an issue. I was kind of hoping that someone would put Serela down to L-1 because it was definitely going to force someone to form a real stance, but saying it out loud kind of diminishes the effect.

Posting at BT was basically "I acknowledge your vote but don't really have anything to say about it." I don't think the third vote on the wagon comment leans either way because it's a valid thing to explore considering the drought of relevant  content, but it's also easy to fake as scum. Speaking of shortages, did you know that MotK has had a mafia game drought for over two years? Regardless, I'm not feeling great about the BT wagon because I can see where his actions are coming from and I feel like his posts are being taken heavily out of context. It feels like he's being scapegoated pretty hard here.

I'm not keen on Serela's initial reaction to being L-1ed because it's very much a kneejerk reaction that I don't think properly read into BT's posts (considering he stated that he didn't want to vote Polly earlier). It feels like he was relying on the L-1 thing to carry his vote without really thinking about if it was scummy or not. I'm nullish on their later posts; I think it's reasonable to not have a lot of stances, but at the same time I wouldn't absolve them for it because scum struggle create something out of ED1 than townies do.

I'm inclined to scumread PX for his fakevote on Serela though. It's not about the fact that he did the fakevote (because I would have pulled the same thing while I was around), but it's more about the manner in which he did it. Mentioning "who is paying attention" basically spoils the reaction test from the beginning, and they don't really take a stance on Serela or BT's interaction. I don't like them waiting around on the sidelines.

The tour will resume shortly. Take a short break in the shade and remember to stay hydrated in the meantime!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
PX/Dormio wouldn't surprise me actually, but I need a little time away from researching the local area to eat something.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 02:44:11 PM
I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 02:47:56 PM
I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating.

Did you know that I have BBM level reading skills?

Thoughts on PX/Dormio (and yes, I know I still need to verbalise my feelings on the latter)? I don't feel strongly about Zak either way atm but I'll give him another look over after Dormio.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 02:51:17 PM
I don't know enough about PX, and I didn't think his vote was that bad. I could consolidate onto him, if that's what ends up happening.
As for Dormio, I thought he was fine, but the more I think about his case on me, the more it seems warped and constructed to throw me into the river, cause severe rhinorrhea, and ultimately, death.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 03:11:44 PM
Dormio's recent post is half fine (I'm okay with everything before his vote comes in) but his suspicions don't feel genuine to me because they feel sort of arbitrary. "BT isn't doing much to find scum", paraphrased, is a half-truth because it wasn't wrong at the time Dormio had posted, but at he same time BT had made more moves to shake up the gamestate than anyone else. It felt like he tried too hard to justify keeping his vote after BT provided more content. I think Dormio was worried about changing his vote because he didn't have a good way off the wagon and he would caught out for doing it.

Also his PX scumread could kind of universally apply to any lurker and isn't very committal anyway.

I had admittedly slightly misread his post at first and so idk if I'd throw out Dormio/PX anymore, but individually I don't like either.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


I'd like to get some more work done while there are less people in the house, so I'm leaving off here for now. I want to reexamine Zak because BT's summary of why he was voting there seemed good but I didn't feel anything strongly about his posts when I first read them.

Did you know that Walmart has a lower acceptance rate than Harvard (2.6% compared to 8.9%)?

I'll be around near deadline.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
Praise the Lord; we have 7 hours remaining of this first most wonderous day. It'll take up until the twilight hour of Midnight, but I shall be present to witness the Angels carry off whoever we elect.

I believe now is a good time to sum up my current thoughts on everyone. In the player list order, as written in a holy scripture by the GM, who I can only assume is God Mighty. His middle name being Al, of course.

1: Zakeri - As I explained before; I do not approve of his lack of reasoning for his vote, although I agreed that something seemed slightly off at time with BT. Since this event, Zakeri has been absent, and has overall contributed nothing of any value. This is why I felt the need to call him out for hiding at the back of the choir earlier.

In fact, the biggest condemnation I can find in what Zakeri has done so far is this confession directed at myself:

Monsieur Raikaria, I fear dze point you may have addressed may counter dze post I just made, how-eh-Vehr, I will stand by my action.

Dzat iz to say, Dze point of 'ow we are in-no-dan-ger of dze day ending earleah.

I get the impression, from this confession, that his motive for voting BT was simply for [What he thought] was an L-1 on Serela. And yet, despite acknowledging my point that his reason for his vote is no longer valid, he stands by it. A vote for someone who you cannot find a sin to condemn them for is a sinful action in itself. What's more, the initial reason for voting was guilty of the sin of Sloth.

2: ActionDan - Possibly the 2nd most sinful lurker in this congregation. I doubt many people would object to a cry of Amen when it comes to condemning the lurker, but I would rather search for sin then resort to a lynch on purely lurking.

3: Polaris: This is my first chance to talk about the lamb known as Polly. I must firstly give an Amen to his statement regarding Serela:

serela, mon cherry, you're already showing a pattern of reactionary "responding only to people that suspect you"

However, I do find it a little bit bizarre that he only asked for opinions regarding Zakeri and myself. Admittedly, not many people had confessed other than us two at that point, but pressing on the BT vote beyond... what is it the lambs call it... OMGUS would perhaps have made me a little more confident. This is but a minor gripe however.

4: Serela

As Serela withdraws into the shadows; the topic having shifted away from him, my suspicion grows. The aformentioned confession from Polaris niggles in the back of my mind. What have you done except respond, my child? Looking back, I see nothing... proactive. While the Good Book does say let he without sin throw the first stone, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And the little would-be waffle seems to only be returning ocular blows.

5: My opinion on Dormio has not changed since my previous post concerning him. In part because he has not added to the congressional conversation. This however is not sinful. He has been actively confessing after all.

6: BT has addressed my concerns and clarified on the post I highlighted. This was my main suspicion for a case of serpent's tongue.

7: SB - I'm unsure what to make of his recent Dormio vote. 'Half-Fine' seems superior to unhelpful or nothing at all. Also; while I agree with his suspicion on PX, I fail to see where the idea of PX/Dormio specifically as a scumteam comes from. Is it not too soon to be throwing around such wild accusations? Especially when one half of this combination has hardly done anything as of yet?

Still; a lack of me agreeing on all points does not mean judgement of sin. Being wrong is not a sin. If anything, it shows a virtue of Diligence.

8: Obviously; as the leader of his congregation, and the one in charge of the confessional booth, I am beyond suspicion of myself. By the way, the confessional booth is open. One merely needs to ask for access to confess their sins to me.

9: PX - *Attempts to light candles in the dark corner of the Church PX is hiding in*

---

However, I am currently of the opinion that, as bad as the lurkers are, someone who only pipes up when their own lives are in danger, and is showing no attempt to find sin, only retaliation, is of little help to us. I was interested to see how Serela would continue on without being pressured. Apparently; the answer is he would not participate. Unlike the other inactive players, who are merely guilty of Sloth, Serela is currently guilty of Wrath and Sloth.

And as such, I feel it is time to change the candidate of condemnation.

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 05:21:38 PM
Also on the topic of SB and Diligence, I find the fact he is pushing on the more active Dormio rather than the lurker PX a positive sign, as we are more likely to get useful information as a result. Virtues are looked upon kindly by the Lord.

So while I do not agree with his PX+Dormio theory, I can appreciate him going for Dormio over the easier lynch in PX.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 05:23:46 PM
And so that the congregation knows for the purposes of consolidation, my current Top 3 priority for condemnation to the Fire Below is:

Serela > Zakeri = PX
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 05:47:39 PM
"Half fine" means that while parts of Dormio's content didn't bother me, I wasn't getting any kind of townvibes from it either. I think it's easier for scum to post about why they don't scumread someone, because they don't have to lie there, but I don't feel as comfortable with his scumreads and that's why I'm voting him.

My initial misread involved thinking that Dormio had three scumreads because the first time I skimmed his post I thought he was also scumreading me (helped by the fact that he mentioned me later on). I didn't feel like he was actually pushing PX very hard, but he singled him out over Zak and based on my other reads (knowing I'm town, townreading BT) it felt like the PX read was just there as a distancing thing because I felt like it was unlikely that Dormio pushed 3 townies, and also it kind of added up because I scumread both of them individually.

I don't necessarily buy into it any more though after reading it over again. It could still be a thing but I'm not gonna actively push it. Also I'm going to look at Zak again (tbh the french is offputting to he point that my eyes glaze over his already short posts).

Did you know that a person with pogonophobia, has a fear of beards?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 06:32:46 PM
Given that it has been approximately 26 hours since PX's latest post [20], I motion to make use of rule 6 [30] and shall ##DeLurk: PX.
I am preparing another post to accompany this one.



[20] Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead! (...) Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
[30] 6. ##DeLurk: [player] in case someone's been lurking too much. Once ##DeLurk'd by 50%+1 of the living players, a player is up for Mod Kill at the end of the Day Phase. This Mod Kill does not replace the Lynch, and can only be stopped by ##Amnesty by DeLurking players. Example:
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 06:52:57 PM
The first thing that I intend to address here is SB's posts [31] [32] regarding myself and my supposed scumreads on himself and PX.
Now, SB has accused me of inaction regarding building a case towards himself and PX at the time.
I object to this accusation and present the rebuttal that I found it difficult to act with virtually no evidence at the time. In fact, in PX's case, the fact of the matter is that there is still a single piece of evidence damning him and he has yet to present any evidence in order to defend himself as per my prior requests [33] [34] and this inaction on PX's behalf has led to my most recent submission to the moderator [35] regarding his eligibility to participate within this game.
I am preparing another post to accompany this one.



[20] Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead! (...) Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
[31] Also his PX scumread could kind of universally apply to any lurker and isn't very committal anyway.
[32] My initial misread involved thinking that Dormio had three scumreads because the first time I skimmed his post I thought he was also scumreading me (helped by the fact that he mentioned me later on). I didn't feel like he was actually pushing PX very hard, but he singled him out over Zak and based on my other reads (knowing I'm town, townreading BT) it felt like the PX read was just there as a distancing thing because I felt like it was unlikely that Dormio pushed 3 townies, and also it kind of added up because I scumread both of them individually.
[33] PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
[34] Secondly with regards to PX as others, including myself, have already mentioned [23a] [24a] [24b] [25] [26] PX's conduct has been less than what most would deem satisfactory. I, therefore, submit a formal request to PX that he provide clarification with regards to his actions lest he face charges of criminal negligence.
[35] Given that it has been approximately 26 hours since PX's latest post [20], I motion to make use of rule 6 [30] and shall ##DeLurk: PX.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 07:40:26 PM
The second item on the agenda that I intend to address this session is an update to my thoughts with regard to SB given that he has recently submitted further evidence for review [36] [37].
With [36], I would have said in the past that I fail to see this as an effective gambit given that everyone participating within this game should have read the rules prior to the game starting and should have been aware of how the lynch mechanic within this particular game differs from the lynch mechanic of previous games. However, I have also witnessed Serela's reaction [13] and, though I do not wish to admit it, it would appear as though some of us did not use the additional time given to us before the game started to study the rules in further detail. Therefore, whilst misguided, I feel that SB's statement [36] serves as adequate justification for his prior actions.
Now, regarding [37], I feel that this is, again, misguided effort on SB's part. Until my doubts have been adequately addressed, I see no reason to move my vote.



[13] Actually, seriously, why is this? BT just threw a fourth vote on me with nothing more than "let's see what this does!" He had more of a reason to vote Polly but he didn't feel like it, so he jumped on the big fat bandwagon literally Just Because! Hmmmmm...
[36] I voted Serela because having more votes on the same person is better than spreading them around because you turn them into an issue. I was kind of hoping that someone would put Serela down to L-1 because it was definitely going to force someone to form a real stance, but saying it out loud kind of diminishes the effect.
[37] It felt like he tried too hard to justify keeping his vote after BT provided more content. I think Dormio was worried about changing his vote because he didn't have a good way off the wagon and he would caught out for doing it.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 07:46:53 PM
In addendum to my prior posts [35] [38] [39], given that there has been a precedent of participants within this game not having a full understanding of the rules, I shall provide a reminder that a total of FIVE (5) DeLurks are required for the motion to pass during the first Day Phase as per rule 6 [30].
As I have already introduced the motion to DeLurk PX, a further FOUR (4) players must agree to the motion before it is passed.



[30] 6. ##DeLurk: [player] in case someone's been lurking too much. Once ##DeLurk'd by 50%+1 of the living players, a player is up for Mod Kill at the end of the Day Phase. This Mod Kill does not replace the Lynch, and can only be stopped by ##Amnesty by DeLurking players. Example:
[35] Given that it has been approximately 26 hours since PX's latest post [20], I motion to make use of rule 6 [30] and shall ##DeLurk: PX.
[38] The first thing that I intend to address here is SB's posts [31] [32] regarding myself and my supposed scumreads on himself and PX.
[39] he second item on the agenda that I intend to address this session is an update to my thoughts with regard to SB given that he has recently submitted further evidence for review [36] [37].
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 08:01:30 PM
SB (1): ActionDan
Dormio (1): SB
Serela (2): PX, Raikaria
BT (4): Serela, Zakeri, Polaris, Dormio
Zakeri (1): BT

oh my god there isn't enough thyme left to unravel this
wait thyme isn't a fruit hold on


oh my god there isn't enough lime left to unravel this (yep that makes perfect sense)

Serela: so I didn't like his response to my questioning. Obviously my questioning was half-assed but I'm pretty sure I made it clear in my next post that what I wanted was for Serela to Talk A Lot, but he seemed content with just answering my question (plus saying that Raikaria seems "100% fine" is such a lazy opinion, surely he's not totally flawless) and not taking any town-motivated initiative.

BT: the recent posts are better (I was thinking of the middle Maizono btw) but I disagree with his opinion change on Serela for the above reasons. I'm just stuck between if this is actually scummy or if it just looks weird because I disagree with him.

PX and Zakeri and Dan all need to post > : ( plus Serela also needs to post tbh

##Unvote
##Vote Serela


in terms of lynch priority Serela has gone up, although I'm still missing reads on a third of the game since they've barely posted
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
i just realized i posted a votecount and then invalidated the votecount in the same post haha i'm such a..... a.... mangosteen

SB (1): ActionDan
Dormio (1): SB
Serela (3): PX, Raikaria, Polaris
BT (4): Serela, Zakeri, Dormio
Zakeri (1): BT
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 08:18:39 PM
Non, non, non, Zhere is no reason to be giving me such a shock!
I Zwear zhere is adequate reasoning for mon raison d'etra with mon vote.

Such raison being zat I had, at zee time, considered between zhe 3rd and 4th votes upon Mon Cherry Serela as being malefique.

When considering whether is was zhe 3rd or 4th vote, I choose 4th because I felt zhat one would 'ave 'ad more weight to ending the day. Which is why I clarified in my next post zhat I was not aware of the rule regarding hammers.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 08:24:57 PM
##DeLurk: PX

I was hesitating on using this since it's a new game mechanic and idk if the rules are totally clear but if we need an entire five people to do it then I may as well just put one on him ?\_(ツ)_/? maybe two will be enough to prod PX into action

^ zak i hope you're gonna post more than just that, you strawberry shortcake

still have more to post about but something came up
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: PX on December 21, 2018, 08:29:18 PM
Currently busy at work but I will have 2 hours after it ends.

Although I do have a question for the mod. Since there is no such things as a hammer, What happens if there is a tie for majority votes at the end of the day?

Sorry I can't be helpful, but I will be tracking the thread and hope to be helpful soon
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 21, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
Ah yes, D1 being the worst dang thing ever, I remember it so clearly now <3 Everyone pressures you to do more, yet there is nothing to work with! It's wonderful! I'm so great, I usually lurk d1 in games to spare people from having to read my posts!

Ok, but there IS some decent posts now! Okay okay, let's reread the last two pages a few times...

Zak never having really said anything is bad, I mean I liked the original vote itself but it's been almost a day and he's basically dropped a vote and not existed, and- oh he just posted. ...oh. He sort of clarified his vote (jumping on 3/4th on the wagon) and... didn't comment on anything that's happened in the last 24 hours :S Ok, the continued lack of content there is definitely turning sour, not liking that.

Polly expecting me to have some big indepth analysis of... a town-ish read on someone like 24 hours into post-jokevote phase?? Sorry Polly, don't know what you expected, do you want an analysis of me thinking Raikaria's actions were normal and reasonable???? There is literally nothing to comment on there :V

dormio's posts are incredibly difficult to analyze due to immense flavor although hats off for such commitment, but from what I can tell he seems pretty reasonable and normal too... err, "normal"

Quote from: BT
So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?
It wasn't good, and the fact that he's never done anything else 24 hours later makes it actively bad now, but (personally, as the question wasn't directed to me) I didn't see it as bad as yours since I agreed with the actual vote target (I mean, it was my vote too...) as opposed to yours. So like, I agreed with the action but not particularly the way he did it, instead of not agreeing with the action or reason in your case?

I still don't really like BT, his defense is mostly "hey, didn't these other people make a vote just as suspicious as mine!?"

sb is fine, not a big fan of Polly because I think it's unreasonable to expect me to make big significant posts when there was almost nothing to go off yet but I don't necessarily think he's scum for it, aaandd

yeah this is probably the vote I like most atm
##Vote:Zakeri
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Serela on December 21, 2018, 08:43:33 PM
i am trying to play eimm and do christmas prep and play mafia at the same time ;_; when I signed up I thought this game would be over before the Everyone Is Mafia:Mafia started on discord but instead it's currently in the big heated crazy phase

as clarification I'm voting Zak because at this point the continued lack of content makes it look like he's just trying to cruise by on an ED1 vote; his new content was just a slight clarification on the vote's reasoning, since... he didn't provide it when he made the vote, but he may as well have just not read any of the thread past page 3

did I tell you about that time I pushed a child into some coyotes so I could save the dog they were going after? I'm the best!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 08:53:47 PM
I am made more confident zhat I 'ave chosen the correct person to vote between my two choices from before with SB's following discussion.
If I had voted SB I would have unvoted him now.

continuing on, I find Raikaria to be rather trustful. C'est Magnifique, and all of zhat jazz!

As it so stands, zhere is not much I believe in outside of zhese two town reads. I have no qualms with either of Serela or BT being dropped from the game at zis point and I will be keeping an eye on the game in case a changement is needed~

(*holding dictionary up to his face* Changement? Is that real? Seriously?)

*Cough* Ahem, in any case, I will be waiting for Serela to post to see if zhey can prevent my mind from being changed.
Oh my, Reading now.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 09:03:22 PM
May I point out that if we have God smite PX from above; there is currently a 7/9 chance that we are losing a town player.

Delurk is anti-town. Especially when the odds that it hits scum is only 22%. The only situation where I would support such an action is if we couple it with the Holy Night; also known as ##NoLynch. Potentially lynching a member of this Holy Congregation; having the Angels smite a second and then the Sinful kill a Third puts us 2/6 on Day 2.

It is also suspicious to tar PX with that action and yet leave the equally sinful ActionDan spared. Judgement should be equal.

Currently busy at work but I will have 2 hours after it ends.

Although I do have a question for the mod. Since there is no such things as a hammer, What happens if there is a tie for majority votes at the end of the day?

Sorry I can't be helpful, but I will be tracking the thread and hope to be helpful soon

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Town is NOT[/i] required to reach a majority to Lynch. At the end of the Day, all votes are tallied and whoever has the most votes will be killed! There is no "hammer" vote, i.e. the Day will not end due to having a majority of votes on someone.

The implication from my reading of the Holy Scriptures is if there is a tiw, all players on equal votes have the most votes. Therefor both are killed.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 09:06:10 PM
I got my numbers crossed because I said 7/9 earlier.

This is a 2/7 setup; according to the Holy Scriptures. So Delurk + Lynch + Unholy actions = 2/4 MYLO Day 2.

Delurk is a hideously anti-town motion when there is only a 22% chance it hits scum currently.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 09:15:02 PM
okay, I have changement my changement~<3

Alzhough it is a vote for me, it is a well-thought out vote zhat I do not believe scum would so easily jump on. I am much more Sur de soi zhat Serela should not be our main target.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 09:21:26 PM
Actually a bit of pondering, a few prayers for guidance, and a quick glance over the priority of sin in The Good Book...

##: Unvote

##Vote: Dormio


I find it inconceivable that a lawyer would be unaware of the potential Day 2 MYLO that results from a Delurk Modkill. Or they that would be unaware of the 22% chance that PX is a Sinner.

Put simply; I believe Dormio is too smart to not realize how anti-town calling for Delurk is.

The motion he started is the most sinful action I have witnessed so far in this game. Perhaps if it was some other players I could see it being a mistake. But I hold Dormio in too high regard to believe he did not realize the potential result when he began calls for Delurk.

I am particually interested to hear what the rest of the congregation's opinion on this is. As well as opinions on what was worse, Dormio starting the call, or Polaris jumping on it.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 09:21:43 PM
I'm submitting some coursework and then I'll be focused on the thread again.

Serela: you make it sound like all I've been doing is defending, what the heck kind of lazy read is that?
Zakeri: ok but what do you think of me right now? I've done a lot since the last time. You haven't updated your vote, you haven't given any scumread, all you've done is compliment Rai, SB and now Serela, and say that everyone else is lynchable. Need a sphygmomanometer?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 09:22:47 PM
raikara don't be such a drama queen. a drama... quince? (a quince is a fruit) i mean that's kinda what i was getting at when i said "it's a new game mechanic and idk if the rules are totally clear" but in lieu of any sort of mod-prod we may as well use the mechanic given to us to prod inactive players. it requires a majority anyway so it's not like a modkill will actually happen unless enough people agree to it, so i think a partial use of delurk is fine?

imo we could probably have an entire meta-discussion on whether delurk is an effective/balanced way of punishing lurkers but that would waste a lot of time while we're still in the game, so ?\_(ツ)_/?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 09:28:54 PM
raikara don't be such a drama queen. a drama... quince? (a quince is a fruit) i mean that's kinda what i was getting at when i said "it's a new game mechanic and idk if the rules are totally clear" but in lieu of any sort of mod-prod we may as well use the mechanic given to us to prod inactive players. it requires a majority anyway so it's not like a modkill will actually happen unless enough people agree to it, so i think a partial use of delurk is fine?

imo we could probably have an entire meta-discussion on whether delurk is an effective/balanced way of punishing lurkers but that would waste a lot of time while we're still in the game, so ?\_(ツ)_/?

I've spent a fair bit of time complaining about lurking. I had managed to identify that Delurk was anti-town and should not be used. Which is why I did not Delurk anyone and have spent most of the day voting for PX on account of his lurking and non-content. [And at this point; I would still support a PX lynch]

Now; my job may be study of the Holy Scriptures instead of the letter of the law. But if I can realize the anti-town implications of Delurk... I highly doubt that better and more experienced players than myself cannot.

Not to mention it is a new mechanic. People could... conveniently forget to give ##Amnesty. And that could send an innocent to meet the angels far too soon.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 09:33:50 PM
serela seems to be under the misconception that providing content means writing big in-depth analyses when I have specifically stated that it is to Talk A Lot. who reads long posts anyway?

speaking of which, serious bananas's case on dormio makes me realized i've never actually read his posts in-depth. imo his idea that dormio is only parking on BT because he didn't see a good way to switch off is something that sounds kind of right to me, but I'll have to reread anyway
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 09:37:43 PM
Raikaria's prior posts [40] [41] [42] state that DeLurk is anti-town. I do not disagree entirely with this notion. However, what Raikaria has stated is not entirely accurate either.
As per rule 6 [30], the purpose of DeLurk is to remove a lurker from the game. I present the counter-argument that having a lurker exist within the game is anti-town.
Lurkers provide no contribution towards the continuation of the game state and serve as a distraction from criminals at best, and is an actual criminal in hiding at worst.
In order to remove a lurker from the game we need to use a lynch on it, which is a valuable and limited resource.
In addition, lynching a lurker provides very little information which makes having to use the lynch on it that much more painful.
And to further add to my point, the 22% chance of hitting a criminal with DeLurk assumes that everyone has an equal probability of being a criminal. If this were the case, it begs the question of why the random voting stage ever ends.



[30] 6. ##DeLurk: [player] in case someone's been lurking too much. Once ##DeLurk'd by 50%+1 of the living players, a player is up for Mod Kill at the end of the Day Phase. This Mod Kill does not replace the Lynch, and can only be stopped by ##Amnesty by DeLurking players. Example:
[40] Delurk is anti-town. Especially when the odds that it hits scum is only 22%. The only situation where I would support such an action is if we couple it with the Holy Night; also known as ##NoLynch. Potentially lynching a member of this Holy Congregation; having the Angels smite a second and then the Sinful kill a Third puts us 2/6 on Day 2.
[41] Delurk is a hideously anti-town motion when there is only a 22% chance it hits scum currently.
[42] I had managed to identify that Delurk was anti-town and should not be used.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
Weighing Scale 1.1

Dormio(2): SB, Raikaria
Zakeri(2): BT, Serela
Serela(2): PX, Polaris
BT(2): Zakeri, Dormio
SB(1): ActionDan

Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 2 hours remaining,
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
Dan seems to be really incapacitated from his abdominal epilepsy episode because his vote is from page 2 of the thread. Other very recent votes: PX and Zak.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 09:54:34 PM
Discussions are what give the evidence to pass judgement. That is how we advance.

Yes, 22% is just relying on pure statistics. However when there are no confessions or interactions to go by with the congregation, there is nothing to go on either way.

And both you and Polaris have completely ignored my point that ActionDan is equally guilty of lurking in the shadows as PX is. What is it that makes PX worse than ActionDan? I myself have stated such [I found PX's 'let's see who's paying attention' post anti-town as is was little but fluff and distraction], but I see no such reasoning on your end.

And yet, despite both of you acknowledging that Delurk at least potentially is anti-town, and PX has stated he is working on something, neither of you have given Amnesty yet.

Regardless, I have received what I wanted from this topic in the congregation. And I wish to see what PX produces before coming to a distinct conclusion.

So; for the time being, I shall pass judgement upon the other major lurker, in a manner that does not potentially condemn the righteous to a Day 2 MYLO. This is far from a final vote, as I have previously stated, my confessional booth is open all day.

##: Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 09:55:15 PM
Did I say recent? I meant the exact opposite. I really made a galactocele out of that one..
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 09:55:50 PM
amnesty doesn't even work like that, read the rules
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
like holy frick raikaria i didn't know you were this much of a dingus

i'm not even going to name a fruit in this post because i'm just like wtf
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 09:58:43 PM
This post is a response to a valid point brought up by Raikaria [43].
##DeLurk: ActionDan
I had overlooked ActionDan's very existence due to my other engagements within the game.



[43] And both you and Polaris have completely ignored my point that ActionDan is equally guilty of lurking in the shadows as PX is. What is it that makes PX worse than ActionDan? I myself have stated such [I found PX's 'let's see who's paying attention' post anti-town as is was little but fluff and distraction], but I see no such reasoning on your end.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 09:59:53 PM
Hey, Rai? Let's not spread our votes 2 hours from deadline. That would be a real autosomal colloid cyst of a move.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 10:01:52 PM
i wanted to go away from the computer and take a chill pill and come back cool as a cucumber but i realized it's nearly deadline and i guess we should think about consolidating considering how bad the votecount looks rn
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 10:03:05 PM
Also, due to the fact that I cannot allow any misconceptions surrounding the rules to exist, I shall address an additional point within Raikaria's post [44].
As per the precedent set in rule 6 [30], amnesty can only be provided once the motion to DeLurk has been passed.
Therefore, due to the fact that the motions to DeLurk that I have presented have not yet been passed, it is as of the current time impossible to provide amnesty.



[30] 6. ##DeLurk: [player] in case someone's been lurking too much. Once ##DeLurk'd by 50%+1 of the living players, a player is up for Mod Kill at the end of the Day Phase. This Mod Kill does not replace the Lynch, and can only be stopped by ##Amnesty by DeLurking players. Example:
[44] And yet, despite both of you acknowledging that Delurk at least potentially is anti-town, and PX has stated he is working on something, neither of you have given Amnesty yet.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:05:23 PM
Ayy, Dormio, who would you consolidate on if my wagon doesn't diffuse-panbronchiolitis out?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Did you know that some cats are allergic to humans?

Reading up.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:06:22 PM
Anyone want to join the Zak wagon and push for a claim? I'm here with the defibrillator.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:08:19 PM
I make the above post with the knowledge that Serela seems pretty OK to me and capable to interact with the game and post content like a normal person, like, his latest posts give me the same vibe from yesterday that he's pretty chillax with everything. I'd probably vote Dormio before I vote Serela. But I'd vote Zak over both, because he has some serious Cytochrome P450 oxidoreductase deficiency.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 10:13:42 PM
Nyo ho ho~ You're so silly.
day one scum reads are not real
Zhat is the only reason lurker hunts are even appreciated during day one. I do agree with Raikaria that delurking is not a tool that should be used one day one of all places- the time of the game with the least amount of content and

Se detendre, BT, I have indeed read  your posts and discovered little positive intention. While it is true you are direction conversation, The tone with which you make such directions appear to line up with somebody who would rather not be voted. Quoi qu'il en soit, I do not feel you vote on me is a meaningful attempt at scumhunting like Serela's. I have no reason to move my vote as of yet.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 10:14:24 PM
I am conflicted about the Zak wagon because the people currant-ly voting him are BT and Serela and you know how I feel about them `_`

eagerly waiting for SB's post because at the moment he's the one person I wouldn't want to vig if I had a vig
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 10:15:19 PM
i do have a fig though, anyone want figs
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
This post is a response to BT's prior post [45].
Out of the potential options [46] provided in the most recent unofficial votecount [47], if a lynch on BT appeared to be impossible, the only other option that I would consider at that point would be Zakeri.



[45] Ayy, Dormio, who would you consolidate on if my wagon doesn't diffuse-panbronchiolitis out?
[46] Dormio, Zakeri, Serela, BT
[47] Weighing Scale 1.1
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 10:17:50 PM
Hey, Rai? Let's not spread our votes 2 hours from deadline. That would be a real autosomal colloid cyst of a move.

I intend to try and make use of every hour of the Day that God has given us. I will be here at the end, and I have a priority list and will act accordingly if consolidation is required.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:19:01 PM
Just came in fresh from reading the rules again, and a round of the good ol' nasogastric tube. Two things:

1) This game is role-madness. More reason to hear out claims ASAP.
2) We don't have to get majority in order to lynch someone. But I'd much rather we'd act like we do. It'll be much harder for wagon analysis later if there's no reason to build the wagons.

Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 10:23:41 PM
What is with your insistence of electrocuting me?

2) We don't have to get majority in order to lynch someone. But I'd much rather we'd act like we do. It'll be much harder for wagon analysis later if there's no reason to build the wagons.

Au contraire, Mon Cherry. I'm actually excited for zhis turnout because we are at a place where the swing of wagons has much more weight. I feel analysis in the future may become easier with zhese new rules.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
Se detendre, BT, I have indeed read  your posts and discovered little positive intention. While it is true you are direction conversation, The tone with which you make such directions appear to line up with somebody who would rather not be voted. Quoi qu'il en soit, I do not feel you vote on me is a meaningful attempt at scumhunting like Serela's. I have no reason to move my vote as of yet.
Sure, I'd rather not get lynched, I heard the faculty at the morgue really stink. Entertaining for a bit that I'm town and this is just how I post, what else is going on? And when you do tell me what's going on, refer to specific things that the person has done. I'm getting real tired of this boilerplate vague stuff a la "meaningful attempt at scumhunting".
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:24:39 PM
What is with your insistence of electrocuting me?

Au contraire, Mon Cherry. I'm actually excited for zhis turnout because we are at a place where the swing of wagons has much more weight. I feel analysis in the future may become easier with zhese new rules.
Naw man that just means the scumteam have much more control over the vote because they have options and they can just swing it at the last second. Hello, defibrillator.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: PX on December 21, 2018, 10:25:46 PM
I horribly miscounted and am still at work for another hour, but in the spirit of helping from what I've been sneaking through I have no real reason to hang Raikaria although I do not agree with his vote reasons on Dormio, and Serela is really whatever so no real opinions on whether he should hang or not.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
Serela: you make it sound like all I've been doing is defending, what the heck kind of lazy read is that?
If you're reading, I'd rather you just quick respond to this please. I hear a little thought staves away the Extramammary Paget's disease
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Out of the potential options [46] provided in the most recent unofficial votecount [47], if a lynch on BT appeared to be impossible, the only other option that I would consider at that point would be Zakeri.




[46] Dormio, Zakeri, Serela, BT

Dormio; what is it that makes you now not support a Serela lynch in any way? Everything I have seen you say regarding Serela has been neutral to negative. You seem to just give him a pass for his suspicious actions and lack of scumhunting due to 'stupidity and negligence'.

I do not intend this as an accusation, more an inquiry that I would like answered before the congregation. It may help people make their decisions. Any information helps our holy cause.

Naw man that just means the scumteam have much more control over the vote because they have options and they can just swing it at the last second. Hello, defibrillator.

It also means scum may only need to convince 1 or 2 townies to vote with them. As you have been rather strongly attempting to do, to the point of berating me for 'spreading votes'. The blade cuts both ways.

I horribly miscounted and am still at work for another hour, but in the spirit of helping from what I've been sneaking through I have no real reason to hang Raikaria although I do not agree with his vote reasons on Dormio, and Serela is really whatever so no real opinions on whether he should hang or not.


I would appreciate it if people stopped putting a target on my back for the wicked to perform Sin. Being put as clear townreads by multiple people could lead to the leader of this holy communion dying sooner than he would appreciate.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:28:08 PM
This post is a response to BT's prior post [45].
Out of the potential options [46] provided in the most recent unofficial votecount [47], if a lynch on BT appeared to be impossible, the only other option that I would consider at that point would be Zakeri.
Sure, but can you tell the good neurosurgeon why, or why not others?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 10:29:12 PM
PX that's a bizarre opinion on Serela considering you are currant-ly voting him :V

(idk if he'll respond to this by today but this is something we can work through later)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:31:33 PM
It also means scum may only need to convince 1 or 2 townies to vote with them. As you have been rather strongly attempting to do, to the point of berating me for 'spreading votes'. The blade cuts both ways.
Look I'd rather not go big on the theory talk here but every fiber of my being is telling me that wagons the collapse and coalesce at the last second are ba-a-a-ad, the scumteam always take advantage of the chaos.
Town forms wagons. Town runs a person to the brink of death. Town sets the rules on the ground.
Scum try to make things fluid so they can manipulate the situation.
I have your oxygen mask right here.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
Fun fact: if we use delurk two days in a row, it's like we get an extra mislynch. It's kinda against the spirit of the game to do it though so I rather wouldn't just based on that. I don't think the discussions about it are worth it but I think Raikaria's attitude towards it is probably town.

I thought I'd posted about Zak before but apparently I hadn't. Time for my backup plan of HURRIEDLY WRITING IT RIGHT NOW tl;dr BT's initial point on him was good, but I'm slightly wary just because of how Zak didn't try to bs any other kind of reason to keep the vote down. But uh, he's quickly erasing that factor and I don't like his catchup bc there's no meat to their suspicions, it just reads as "anything but me" (which is kind of ironic because of how he's pressing BT.

A friend keeps pulling my attention away so I'm posting this now. Dormio, I'll get to your responses soon. I'm still /around/ (and working on posts) but I'd rather not leave posting until absolutely at deadline.

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri


Prefer this to BT and probably to Serela, but I wasn't huge on the latter's posts on a skim.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 10:36:12 PM
This post is a response to both Raikaria's and BT's posts [48] [49].
As referenced by Raikaria in his post [48], I believe Serela's actions do not carry malicious intent and can, instead, be attributed to ignorance.
Therefore, as stated within [46], given that Zakeri and BT are the only options available to me, I would have to pick Zakeri if a BT lynch appeared to be impossible.



[46] Dormio, Zakeri, Serela, BT
[48] Dormio; what is it that makes you now not support a Serela lynch in any way? Everything I have seen you say regarding Serela has been neutral to negative. You seem to just give him a pass for his suspicious actions and lack of scumhunting due to 'stupidity and negligence'.
[49] Sure, but can you tell the good neurosurgeon why, or why not others?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
I am writing this post in a rush because I have witnessed a statement [50] that I cannot ignore.
What makes you so certain that two DeLurks would amount to a mislynch? Do you have access to information that would indicate to you that the two DeLurk motions I have presented would be equivalent in result to a mislynch? Are you withholding information from the players regarding the alignment of the lurkers?

As per Article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been excluded.
##Vote: SB



[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[50] Fun fact: if we use delurk two days in a row, it's like we get an extra mislynch.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 10:42:41 PM
I know Serela (and Dan) are busy with EiMM due to staggered start times but I'm not overly keen on Serela bc they feel pretty self pres focused, but I liked their response to BT at the very least. I can buy into that reasoning for their vote even if I don't agree with it.

I would consolidate here if I had to but I'd prefer Dormio/Zak/PX (pending reading Dormio's responses).

Did you know that hunting unicorns is illegal in Michigan?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: PX on December 21, 2018, 10:43:17 PM
Gomenasorry but last post was rushed during downtime. In between the two leading wagons, I shall assist in which one I believe more likely to be the evil

##Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 10:46:36 PM
I am writing this post in a rush because I have witnessed a statement [50] that I cannot ignore.
What makes you so certain that two DeLurks would amount to a mislynch? Do you have access to information that would indicate to you that the two DeLurk motions I have presented would be equivalent in result to a mislynch? Are you withholding information from the players regarding the alignment of the lurkers?

As per Article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been excluded.
##Vote: SB



[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[50] Fun fact: if we use delurk two days in a row, it's like we get an extra mislynch.

?

It's maths.

7/2, if we mislynch 3 times we lose.
If we 'lynch' twice a day (one lynch, one delurk), we get four chances to lynch scum (because the two deaths on D2 occur simultaneously, in spite of it being 4/2 potential MYLO.)
Town control 4 deaths here, while scum control 2 (meaning we essentially steal one of their nightkills from them compared to just lynching every day/scum killing every night).

My gut reaction to this vote is that it's kinda scummy.

Cows moo with regional accents.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 10:47:10 PM
lol @ dormio being a kumquat, don't worry SB I understood what you meant

cut by SB himself explaining, darn now I can't look smart
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 10:51:38 PM
Naw man that just means the scumteam have much more control over the vote because they have options and they can just swing it at the last second. Hello, defibrillator.
Oh Mon, Cherry, would that not simply weight heavier on zhis scum zhat try to shift zhe wagons? You are trading long term results for short term.

It would seem I am most suspected, but alas, all I have to say is I stand by my reasoning thus far.

I would claim but Je dois attendre for results before a full claim may be made.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 10:52:26 PM
This post is a response to SB's recent post [51].
That assumes that the DeLurk will never be used to take down a criminal.
The fact that you make this assumption without even considering that possibility causes myself to infer that you have access to knowledge that I do not.



[51] 7/2, if we mislynch 3 times we lose.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 10:53:15 PM
In my books; the current 4 people most likely to be sinners are, in my holy opinion:

ActionDan - On account of being the biggest lurker

PX - On account of staying in the shadows and being unhelpful when he did emerge

Serela - Lack of scumhunting, only being defensive.

Zakeri - Lack of scumhunting in general; although I could certainly prefer a Serela lynch over Zakeri at this point. Probably because Serela has more content that amounts to OMGUS and waffles.

Of these, I would most prefer an ActionDan lynch; which is why that is where my vote for condemnation is currently situated. Lurking in the shadows to his degree is more often the actions of a sinner [Specifically Sloth. Maybe Pride too; too Prideful to speak with us!] than a saint.

While I have cast some suspicion onto Dormio and Polaris, I do not believe them as bad as the prior four, and the congregation should attempt to condemn those most likly to be sinners at this point.

I hope that whatever the overall consensus is, that we end the day saying Hallelujah; not mourning.

I am writing this post in a rush because I have witnessed a statement [50] that I cannot ignore.
What makes you so certain that two DeLurks would amount to a mislynch? Do you have access to information that would indicate to you that the two DeLurk motions I have presented would be equivalent in result to a mislynch? Are you withholding information from the players regarding the alignment of the lurkers?

As per Article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been excluded.
##Vote: SB

I find this strange as well. If 1 mistaken delurk can result in Day2 MYLO; a second on Day 2 would effectively turn it into LYLO. I see no situation where this makes an 'exrra mislynch' unless we Delurk Scum.

That said, at the same time Dormio, what makes SB's statement not pass for ignorance, and instead be judged as malice, when Serela's actions are not? This seems inconsistent.

Ninja'ed:

?

It's maths.

7/2, if we mislynch 3 times we lose.
If we 'lynch' twice a day (one lynch, one delurk), we get four chances to lynch scum (because the two deaths on D2 occur simultaneously, in spite of it being 4/2 potential MYLO.)
Town control 4 deaths here, while scum control 2 (meaning we essentially steal one of their nightkills from them compared to just lynching every day/scum killing every night).

My gut reaction to this vote is that it's kinda scummy.

Cows moo with regional accents.

Missed Delurk + Mislynch + nightkill = 2/4.

We could quite easily be lulled into false security with a Delurk attempt in MYLO. The other scum could grant Amnesty at the twilight hours as we mislynch and proceed to lose, while simultaneously not attempting to lynch the scumbuddy because we're attempting to Smite them.

And if we're attempting to Smite a townie Day 2, the Sinners could use it to improve their situation, even if we're about to lynch scum. After all; the Delurk from someone about to be lynched would still count.

Delurk is too risky.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 10:54:20 PM
Zakeri/PX aren't scum together off of that vote. Getting some water and then going to read Dormio's stuff properly.

The Cookie Monster's real name is Sid.

Pedit: I don't get your point at all.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 10:55:55 PM
It would seem I am most suspected, but alas, all I have to say is I stand by my reasoning thus far.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/240/075/90f.png)

Dormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
And Why, Bt, would your execution be les pire?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:04:43 PM
While I have cast some suspicion onto Dormio and Polaris, I do not believe them as bad as the prior four, and the congregation should attempt to condemn those most likly to be sinners at this point.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/5/57/Sabrina_Haunter_Lick.png/revision/latest?cb=20160102060504)

That said, at the same time Dormio, what makes SB's statement not pass for ignorance, and instead be judged as malice, when Serela's actions are not? This seems inconsistent.
To be fair, SB is like the defibrillator to Serela's toilet plunger.

And Why, Bt, would your execution be les pire?
What's the context? And will you claim?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
You insist I have contibuted nothing because my vote has no change, but zhat is a story you affix over other's reality.
You insist we will be mortified if you are zhis day's playdate with ze guillotine, but zhat is your own untainted desire bleed through.

My suspicions of you grow more and more with each post you make.

---
the context specifically being how you mention " as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue."

and very well, I will give since zhere is only less zhan an hour left.
I am a one-shot rolecop. I have decided to investigate BT and will post zhe results as I get zhem.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 11:09:40 PM
This post is a response to the prior posts [52] [53]
As previously stated [54], so assuredly making the assumption that this hypothetical scenario will come to pass [50] reads to myself as having insider knowledge regarding player's criminal records.
However, upon further review of the subject matter [54], I may have been overzealous in this pursuit and made the assumption that SB was referring to my two motions to DeLurk rather than making a general statement.

In accordance with the conditions set out by article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been stricken from the record.
##Vote: BT



[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[50] Fun fact: if we use delurk two days in a row, it's like we get an extra mislynch.
[52] Pedit: I don't get your point at all.
[53] Dormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue.
[54] That assumes that the DeLurk will never be used to take down a criminal. The fact that you make this assumption without even considering that possibility causes myself to infer that you have access to knowledge that I do not.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:13:54 PM
I actually heavily dislike Dormio's #131 because it addresses a thought process that I'd already discarded by the time that I'd make the post (I was just responding to Raikaria about my scumteam theory thing) and doesn't actually address my problem with him - how he went about his vote on BT. It's missing the forest for the trees, and this gives me a similar feeling to the way he has been addressing the BT vote since it doesn't feel like he's looking at he situation as a whole and is picking and choosing parts to suit his agenda. All he says is "this is misguided effort from SB" later on about it, which doesn't really settle things.

I feel like most of Dormio's posting, in general, is posturing. He's posting rn but the majority of it was not actually related to who's mafia (instead of delurk mechanics) until his attack on me which is kind of weird. I don't even think that I stated that we would miss every single time with lynches/delurks, but even if I did why would that be scummy?

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone really wants to lynch Dormio over the alternatives so my vote is sticking for now, but I need to think some more.

China has censored the word for censorship.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:16:17 PM
The context specifically being how you mention " as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue."
That was a joke you ditz.
Rolecop, right? So, role, not allegiance.

Hmmmm.
OK.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:17:18 PM
Ditz as we know is a shorthand for unsettling mental illness.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:18:37 PM
I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating.

Sure, I'd rather not get lynched, I heard the faculty at the morgue really stink.
Quote

Dormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue.

I would like to ask why les morgue is such an ingrained fear in you, BT?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
Weighing Scale 1.1

Zakeri(3): Serela, SB, PX
BT(2): Zakeri, Dormio
Serela(1): Polaris
SB(1): ActionDan
ActionDan(1): Raikaria
Dormio[/b[(1): BT

Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 40 minutes remaining,

You are twice as likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
"I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating."
"Sure, I'd rather not get lynched, I heard the faculty at the morgue really stink."
"Dormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue."

I would like to ask why les morgue is such an ingrained fear in you, BT?

reposting due to tag errors but ehh, c'est la vie.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:22:06 PM
Weighing Scale 1.2

Dormio(1): BT
Zakeri(3): Serela, SB, PX
Serela(1): Polaris
BT(2): Zakeri, Dormio
SB(1): ActionDan
ActionDan(1): Raikaria

Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 40 minutes remaining,

I know I just got cut by a VC, but it's nice to see that we didn't miscount.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:22:40 PM
lol @ zak being a kumquat, what kind of derpy question is that
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:23:11 PM
"I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating."
"Sure, I'd rather not get lynched, I heard the faculty at the morgue really stink."
"Dormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue."

I would like to ask why les morgue is such an ingrained fear in you, BT?

reposting due to tag errors but ehh, c'est la vie.
First post is honest reaction to realize that whoa, short day.
Second post is because I was asked why I don't want to get lynched lol.
The morgue is a running gag. That place reeks.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:24:24 PM
I really don't like Serela up and disappearing like this. It rustles my jimmies.... in neurobiological terms.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:26:04 PM
I'm fairly sure that I know the answer to Zak's question. Mulling over whether or not the way he claimed is townie rn.

According to a 2014 study, 1 in 9 Americans?exactly 11% of the population?think HTML is actually a disease.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:27:23 PM
everything's going so fast and i just want to be lazy and not do anything.

i've wanted to say this since earlier but seeing as everyone is giving serela a pass for today i'm putting aside the case for now and trying to pick a new wagon.

i was planning on consolidating on Zakeri but how am I supposed to respond to the claim anyway? is this a case where we go "full steam ahead" or do we find a new wagon? i ask because i dunno if there are any viable counter wagons (unless we start one now?)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:28:31 PM
I'm gonna just say that I wasn't totally sure about Zak even before the rolecop claim, and I wanna see him survive the night, if only because I can see major benefits there if he's not lying and town.
Let's keep the train chugging. Half an hour, barely enough time for general surgery.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:30:14 PM
Very well. I suppose your explanation is cr?dible.

Now zhat we are closer an closer to zhe guillotine, my doubt are beginning to creep up upon me. I can be easily convinced to switch upon Dormio and Actiondan if need be. I am also willing to vote for not me over me as the hour approaches.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:30:26 PM
I'm null on the claim. I'm... conflicted on the way that he claimed it almost like a threat to BT. I think it leans slightly town but I am unsure.

Polly, thoughts on Dormio?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:30:35 PM

In accordance with the conditions set out by article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been stricken from the record.
##Vote: BT

So I see this was posted 11 seconds after Zak's claim. Gonna assume you didn't type that in 11 seconds. What's the reason for the voteswap here, and what do you think right now about him rolecopping me for the night?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:31:28 PM
Also, Britain?s Secret Intelligence Service once hacked an Al-Qaeda website and replaced the bomb instructions with a cupcake recipe.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:32:14 PM
So I see this was posted 11 seconds after Zak's claim. Gonna assume you didn't type that in 11 seconds. What's the reason for the voteswap here, and what do you think right now about him rolecopping me for the night?

He was voting me before iirc so it doesn't have anything to do with the Zak claim.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:33:00 PM
Ugh, so it seems that the main wagons are Zakeri... and BT.

As I alluded to before; I would prefer Zakeri over BT. Actiondan, Serela and PX do not seem to be viable options at this point either.

Going for the 4th preference out of 8... may the Lord forgive me if I am wrong doing this.

##: Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri


However, my confessional booth is always open. And I would like to... invite someone for the night. As I stated before, I got what I wanted earlier in the game by pressing on Dormio and Polaris.

I; the shepherd, call upon the lamb! I shall ##ShareTheLight with : Polaris

I am still perfectly willing to vote for one of my higher priority lynches if people change due to Zakeri's claim. However, I would still support Zakeri over BT, as I simply feel BT has done more scumhunting and town contribution.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:33:06 PM
There are 26 full minutes of quiet staring in the Twilight movies.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:34:54 PM
Honestly I also didn't like Dormio's weird "gotcha" moment on serious bananas. I guess we can quickwagon dormio?

cut: wtf
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:35:09 PM
I'd add on the topic of Dormio but I agree with what SB's saying and can't think of anything else that looked weird. I mean, I have my doubts too, 'cause I remember posts that made me think town pro-activity, but I know Dormio's capable of that. Muu. Amaurosis fugax.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:37:15 PM
That seems like a weird choice Rai but I'll honor it. Enjoy your night at the borborygmi.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:37:23 PM
may as well take this time to express that I also didn't like raikaria's "gotcha" moment with the whole "delurking is anti-town now die dormio die!!!"

don't do gotcha moments, folks, they don't look good

something something how 'bout them apples
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:38:57 PM
Wait actually I really dislike your vote Rai. Why are you voting like this. Torsades de pointes!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:39:36 PM
Why not Dormio. Salpingoophorectomy.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:40:06 PM
Fuck it, we'll do it live.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


I didn't have a problem with Rai's gotcha thing because there was more meat to it. It looked like a real thought process, just not one that I could agree with.

A dairy cow will produce up to 3% more milk when listening to music. But they don?t like country music, especially Willie Nelson. They need something with a good beat.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:40:45 PM
I have been intentionally avoiding reading through Dormio's posts, but I have read SB's case, and verified in Dormio's posts that I believe his case does have meaning.

##Unvote: BT
##Vote: Dormio


C'est La Guerre.

...Actually zhat is a good point. Somezhing to keep in mind for tomorrow if I do end up under zhe guillotine.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:41:20 PM
Weighing Scale 1.3

Zakeri(3): Serela, PX, Raikaria
Dormio(2): BT, SB, Zakeri
Serela(1): Polaris
BT(1): Dormio
SB(1): ActionDan
ActionDan(1): Raikaria

Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 20 minutes remaining,
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:42:13 PM
Turn that '2' to a '3'! Advil Advil ColdEX!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 11:42:32 PM
##Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: PX on December 21, 2018, 11:42:46 PM
Stuck in traffic! Haha, how is that of any use. However I am willing to take Dormio' s life if that's of any use
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:43:06 PM
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio


ok let's do this

cut by dormio fml now it's tied again
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:43:34 PM
FRICK I FORGOT THE FRUIT
watermelon watermelon watermelon

also PX is here so nvm
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:44:06 PM
Weighing Scale 1.3

Zakeri(3): Serela, PX, Raikaria
Dormio(2): BT, SB, Zakeri
Serela(1): Polaris
BT(1): Dormio
SB(1): ActionDan


Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 20 minutes remaining,

I fixed it for you.

I dislike the sudden counterwagon on Dormio and will not be joining it. I hope to perform my own investigation on those affairs.

Amen and may the result be blessed regardless.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:44:39 PM
Weighing Scale 1.4

Zakeri(4): Serela, PX, Raikaria, Dormio
Dormio(4): BT, SB, Zakeri, Polaris
SB(1): ActionDan

Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 15 minutes remaining,

Good ol' ActionDan being hot on the action.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:45:09 PM
Dormio, claim.

The 1928 Summer Olympic Games were held in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:45:16 PM
let's quicklychee dan lol
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:45:37 PM
I dislike the sudden counterwagon on Dormio and will not be joining it. I hope to perform my own investigation on those affairs.
Well have fun having by far the worst vote I've seen today. Defibrillator. Defibrillator.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:46:07 PM
darn it that would've been more snappy had I posted it right after BT

i wasn't serious btw

pomelo
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 21, 2018, 11:46:29 PM
Dormio, claim.
No.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:47:00 PM
If Zakeri is lynched and flips town rolecop I'm lynching Raikaria no takebacks. Defibrillator.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
@Raikaria this is not a sudden wagon because we've been discussing Dormio for a while now.

If you were to walk around the world, your head would have traveled a slightly longer distance than your feet.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:49:19 PM
apricot

do we want to mess with a tie on the votes? in a worst-case scenario I'm willing to switch to Zak but idk
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:49:58 PM
Also I severely dislike PX showing up and basically saying 'I'll jump on Dormio!'. What a convient time to suddenly show up and offer to wagonhop from a relatively unexplained vote to another one for an unexplained reason.

But a PX wagon right now is a pipe dream, and unvoting from Zakeri myself to try and start one would only serve to condemn Dormio, who I think, while imperfect, is more likly town than Zakeri.

And I do not wish to condemn innocents. All I can do at this point if offer prayer in hope... and take notes for Day 2. If I make it there through all the townreads upon me.

If Zakeri is lynched and flips town rolecop I'm lynching Raikaria no takebacks. Defibrillator.

Ninja'ed. A premeditation of tunneling is bad.

Especially when I have expressed dislike for both wagons. Perhaps you should consider the people pushing it rather than someone who sees it as lesser of two evils.

@Raikaria this is not a sudden wagon because we've been discussing Dormio for a while now.

If you were to walk around the world, your head would have traveled a slightly longer distance than your feet.

Discuessed, yes. The wagon itself still came out of nowhere. Mere moments ago we were discussing Zakeri/BT. And while I rate a Dormio lynch over BT, I hate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.

apricot

do we want to mess with a tie on the votes? in a worst-case scenario I'm willing to switch to Zak but idk

We should absolutely not tie the votes and condemn two; lest we have Day 2 MYLO.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:50:22 PM
If Zakeri is lynched and flips town rolecop I'm lynching Raikaria no takebacks. Defibrillator.

You have my full support in sending Raikaria to Las Morgue after my delivery for zhe reasons you and SB are stating right now.
I too find it weird, especially as Raikaria has implied in the vote for me that I am ranked lower zhen Dormio? If I am reading zhat correctly.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:50:50 PM
I'll switch back to Zak at :58 if nothing changes.

There are more nipples in the world than people.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:51:10 PM
Discuessed, yes. The wagon itself still came out of nowhere. Mere moments ago we were discussing Zakeri/BT. And while I rate a Dormio lynch over BT, I hate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.

Late night typing in a hurry. I rate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:52:33 PM
I will agree that I'm not big on what PX did but it's only meaningful if Zak is scum. Otherwise it's null.

Nothing is ever on fire. Fire is actually on things.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:52:41 PM
But a PX wagon right now is a pipe dream, and unvoting from Zakeri myself to try and start one would only serve to condemn Dormio, who I think, while imperfect, is more likly town than Zakeri.
OK but at least Zak claimed. Hello.
Discuessed, yes. The wagon itself still came out of nowhere. Mere moments ago we were discussing Zakeri/BT. And while I rate a Dormio lynch over BT, I hate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.
I'm guessing that situation was very convenient for you. Defibrillator strong.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:53:14 PM
It's nor or never PX. Show us that enema bulb.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:54:05 PM
Okay, I was in fact misreading, and Raikaria said Dormio provided a "satisfactory response".

It seems I am fated to kiss zhe guillotine...
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: PX on December 21, 2018, 11:55:09 PM
I didn't really like Dormio from what i was reading but again was working at the time so busy. My assistance will stay on Zakeri as I think he'll flip scum more likely for now
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:55:46 PM
Serela. I can see you. Goddamn maternity ward people.

SB, you may not have to voteswitch, PX said he'd do...something...
cut: wow
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:56:35 PM
Maybe it's Raikaria/PX. Defibrillator.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Polaris on December 21, 2018, 11:57:03 PM
why can't i hold all these limes
in my brain

##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri


i'll save SB the trouble since i don't like just sitting here
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Raikaria on December 21, 2018, 11:57:21 PM
OK but at least Zak claimed. Hello.I'm guessing that situation was very convenient for you. Defibrillator strong.

Yes, Zakeri claimed. Claiming dosen't make you magically free of sin. People are capable of lying.

And again, there are other people voting Zakeri despite this fact. The only thing your eyes should be tunneling upon is the word of God.

I feel that Dormio has been more active with scumhunting. I feel that Dormio is more likely town than Zakeri is. If I am wrong, go ahead and tunnel me all of Day 2 if that is your desire. Who knows, perhaps your statement of intent will keep me alive longer by the sinners in hopes of a mislynch.

I shall continue my holy duty of attempting to find the sinners regardless.

Maybe it's Raikaria/PX. Defibrillator.

I have been pushing for PX as my #1 lynch for the majority of the day. This is a hilarious theory.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 21, 2018, 11:57:32 PM
Also I am taking back the point I made on BT's overuse of las Morgue because now that I'm posting frequently I am understanding how hard it is to not just non-sensically spam any words that fit the post restriction.

il reste trois minutes
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:57:45 PM
Zak feels like a mislynch but mafia sucks.

until the 1830's, ketchup was sold as medicine.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:58:11 PM
The countdown says 2 minutes left. I don't know if Bard is here, but just putting that out there. Kidney dish.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 21, 2018, 11:59:08 PM
Last chance for any of you stragglers to switch to Dormio. I'm pretty certain that Zak is town at this point. Blood infusion.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: SB on December 21, 2018, 11:59:21 PM
Maybe it's Raikaria/PX. Defibrillator.

Motive for scum!PX to not switch with a non!Dormio buddy? Just bad acting or what?

The thigh bones of human beings are stronger than concrete.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: BT on December 22, 2018, 12:00:19 AM
Rolecop is useful info in role madness. Aside from that I got nothing. It was sort of a crack theory anyway.

Sorry, "cocaine hydrochloride ".
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: Bardiche on December 22, 2018, 12:08:17 AM
HELLO EVERYONE!

Day 1 has officially ended and Night 1 has begun.

Time until Day 2 starts (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20181223T00&p0=%3A&msg=Day+2+Start&font=slab&csz=1)

As the group gathers to the Angels' dwelling, to indicate they decided who among them was Scum and did not belong in Heaven, the group was baffled to find the Angels's house to be locked up and barred.

There was just a simple note:

"Postponed."

The Day has ended without Lynch. This has nothing to do with meeting voting thresholds.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Night 1]
Post by: Bardiche on December 22, 2018, 12:33:44 AM
OFFICIAL END OF DAY VOTECOUNT
Zakeri (5): Serela, PX, Raikaria, Dormio, Polaris
Dormio (3): BT, SB, Zakeri
SB (1): ActionDan

Unless I miscounted, this should be the official votecount.
In the event of a tied lynch, I'll flip a coin and lynch whoever displeased me most by breaking post restriction. Or RNG. Whichever.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Night 1]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 22, 2018, 01:50:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hlQ9iPW.jpg)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Night 1]
Post by: PX on December 22, 2018, 03:34:57 AM
Wtf is that haircut Dormio
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Night 1]
Post by: BT on December 22, 2018, 10:02:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNzryZH0G0
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Night 1]
Post by: Bardiche on December 23, 2018, 12:11:31 AM
Day 2 has started!

Flavour and stuff once I get less busy. Timer too.

Character Sheet
Name: Julio Beninha
Cause of Death: Starvation
Goodness Reason: Tour guide who brought happiness to the lives of many



Actually, you're not Julio. You're his twin brother, Mateo. And, well, your brother was the good half. You're the one who starved to death after falling into a dried up well, thinking you saw a glint of gold there.

It was gold. You just had no way to get out again. Major bummer: who needs riches when they're dead? You were also pretty talentless, but by God and All That is Holy, you were one of the best copycats this side of the world. Use your powers of plagiarism to save Heaven from the scums.

Powers:
Julio, Juli-who?: Your brother was the tour guide. Now you're gonna pretend to be your brother. Just give people an unwanted bit of trivia every post, and you'll be golden. Shit like, "Did you know, Angels are winged?" or "To your left, you can see the Church of Baby Jesus"... you know, tour guide stuff. Whatever, you can do it. Even if you make a misstep, it's not like you'll be sent to Hell for not acting a tour guide, right?
Double Life: You always copied your twin. Now you'll copy others. The first time a Town-aligned role is removed from the game, you automatically assume the powers of that role without informing anyone. There are no caveats.

Win Condition:
Remain in Heaven and weed out the real Scum.

Good luck.

SB was killed, and he was Town! Good luck.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Night 1]
Post by: Serela on December 23, 2018, 12:32:50 AM
Does anyone have any idea why the lynch failed? >_> Oh well, guess that means we can delurk someone.

DAN DIDN'T POST A SINGLE TIME AFTER D3.
##Delurk:ActionDan

Wait, wait, I can't use my actions in LyLo? But I'm sure you want me to show off...
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7lozahCs31qjgo33o1_500.gif)
Well, the angels might not like it, but I wouldn't be the BEST PERSON HERE if I held back!

##HolyShirt
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 12:36:43 AM
Goodnight sweet amyloid o7

##Vote: Serela

I've mulled over some things, and I *know* I want to hear more from this guy. Tomorrow I'll come back and see what I think of Dormio, but I wanted to drop by for now. For starters, if anyone knows what caused the lynchblock, I think it's worth saying out loud, so the shroud of shady medical substances clears over the events of yesterday.

I'll also add that I was roleblocked, so we know that's a thing.

cut: oh
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 12:40:15 AM
Wanna share what that does or are we cool like sperm bank freezers?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 23, 2018, 12:42:17 AM
AUGH A VOTE I'M TOO GOOD FOR THIS, I DONATED TO CHARITY I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE BUT IT WAS A CHAIRTY

BARD GET THAT VOTE OFF ME

JUST LIKE THIS SHIRT
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 12:46:20 AM
Am I in danger? Should I hide in those freezers I was talking about?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 01:07:12 AM
i'll just be up front with you all and say that raikaria and i had a quicktopic overnight. i looked at raikaria's posts and decided i didn't like raikara enough to bother with the quicktopic for the rest of the night and oh my god it's dawning on me now that the quicktopic lasts more than just the one night and i'm stuck with raikaria forever aren't i

peaches
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 01:10:21 AM
i basically threw a temper tantrum in the quicktopic and i haven't checked it since partially i just didn't like raikaria but also partially i was embarrassed that i lost my temper and needed a chill pill

tangerine
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 01:11:22 AM
haven't checked it since, partially because* (...) but also partially because*

that "since" threw me off, awkward grammar ahoy

here we go round the mulberry bush
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 23, 2018, 01:17:49 AM
VOTECOUNT
No votes were cast!

Official End of Day Timer (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20181225T000001&p0=%3A&font=cursive&csz=1)
Serela is too Town, so I can't count votes on him, sorry.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 01:24:48 AM
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

lmao i can't believe serela got the innocent child role

##Vote PX

mainly a pressure vote since he needs to provide something. like I mentioned last time I didn't like how he gave Serela a pass (honestly I didn't like how anybody gave Serela a pass, including BT and Dormio but PX is the worst in terms of content. honestly I'm inclined to give BT a pass for today because his actions near the end of the day seemed town-motivated and his opening Serela vote fills me with fuzzy feelings)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 01:25:51 AM
fuzzy like kiwis. yeah.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 23, 2018, 01:43:35 AM
We all lucked out! If I wasn't mislynched today, we all know what happens when Serela is in LyLo.

I've been busy with holidays/EIMM but I'll reread d1 later. I don't like the low-content people yesterday but that doesn't mean the high content ones are necessarily not scum... :S That's why mafia is hard. Although seriously, delurk-murdering someone is probably good if we can because we didn't get to lynch yesterday, and :numbers: means if we don't make the kill up we still get lylo just as soon as otherwise.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: ActionDan on December 23, 2018, 03:00:18 AM
EiMM is stress. Is there a sub here?

I could try

If I encourage myself to try.

remember to recycle
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 03:01:16 AM
goji berry

i'm surprised no one else has posted yet to react to serela's thing or anything

current thoughts:
- need to reread zak since i forgot to do that overnight but i guess we're also waiting on his role results? (although it's not like i'd be able to interpret his results and decide his alignment unless something out of the ordinary occurs)
- i did skim dormio's posts, and he was surprisingly lackluster with his vote being on BT for most of the day. if anything i can at least count on dormio to make posts, which is something i can't do for some other people
- even though i don't like raikaria's posts on a fundamental level, i'm inclined to give him a pass for a reason which i'll explain in another post, if anyone actually cares. otherwise y'all can just take the fact that i'm giving him a pass

cut by dan hi dan
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 23, 2018, 03:40:33 AM
EiMM is stress. Is there a sub here?

I could try

If I encourage myself to try.

remember to recycle

Working on this.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: kinumi on December 23, 2018, 04:02:20 AM
Hi everyone!  I'm willing to replace a slot into this game!  ♥️
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 23, 2018, 05:13:29 AM
the lack of lynch is not at all related to anything I have coinnassaince of.
Also I've been working on improving my l'accent (if only because I'm tired of typing 'zhese' instead of 'these'). I totally am not just giving up on faking a french accent because french is my natural language after all~.

I am really not sure what to make of all of these lynch manigances. I'm kind of disappointed I'm still playing to be honest, but also I guess we can't vote Serela anymore again?

Also like I said, I submitted to get BT's role revealed to me. I didn't have time to change my mind before the day ended, however considering his actions at the end of the day and the result I got, I don't want to reveal it inutilement.
Yes that means I believe he's town.

I mostly want to focus on the people who didn't comment much or at all at the end of the day yesterday. And Raikaria. Dormio wagon encountered a lot of unexpected resistance for a quickwagon, and Raikaria provided a lot of that resistance as well, so that's where my suspicions lead and what I'll be looking for when I get around to reading in depth.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 23, 2018, 05:28:15 AM
ActionDan - ce n'est pas un joueur
Polaris - active
Serela - can't be voted for
Dormio - suspicious due to wagon resistance/refusal to claim
BT -  active and also strong town read
Raikaria - somehwat suspicious, but logic flows
PX - Who? Did nothing except sit on a vote for me

so basically my top three for today are Dormio, Raikaria, and PX.
Although I am using "Wagon resistance" as a reasoning, there's really nothing to base this off of outside of the fact that I know I'm town. I'm not necessarily using this to make scumbuddies theories (shipping everybody x dormio)

For now: ##Vote: PX
I didn't really like Dormio from what i was reading but again was working at the time so busy. My assistance will stay on Zakeri as I think he'll flip scum more likely for now
Explique
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
Good morning to you too, M?decins Sans Fronti?res.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX


lmao serela

I'll make more posts when I'm not running late for work.

For the record I'm not totally sure what to think of Zakeri, since his circumstances aren't the best (suspicious unexplained lynchblock, rolecop fakeclaim) but his behavior makes sense to me ever since we ran him up for the lynch yesterday.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 08:00:45 AM
Before anyone gets on my case of medical journal reports, "roleblock fakeclaim" was totally a slip of the tongue, but only because that's what I was imagining at that particular moment. I'm still leaning town on that slot.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 08:01:15 AM
*rolecop


and that one I don't know why it happened


defibrillator bye
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 09:26:22 AM
Hallelujah! I don't know what happened, but something stopped us lynching people I saw as low-priority lynches. I belive it should be pretty clear that whatever it was, wasn't me. Because I performed an action in-thread. As Polly has confessed in this thread, he is a regular visitor to my private confessional booth.

Belive what you would like to believe regarding this, but I for one do not see how such a role could be interpreted as a sinner's. Especially when the Sinners have their own contact methods anyway. I can also confirm Polly's angry responses, and the fact he refused to answer any of my queries. Needless to say, his refusal to share information and confess has painted him currently in a more negative light.

Does anyone have any idea why the lynch failed? >_> Oh well, guess that means we can delurk someone.

DAN DIDN'T POST A SINGLE TIME AFTER D3.
##Delurk:ActionDan

Wait, wait, I can't use my actions in LyLo? But I'm sure you want me to show off...
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7lozahCs31qjgo33o1_500.gif)
Well, the angels might not like it, but I wouldn't be the BEST PERSON HERE if I held back!

##HolyShirt

Dear lamb, it was D1, not D3.

And Delurk could potentially put us at 2-3 tomorrow, LYLO. How do you interpret that as 'safe'?

the lack of lynch is not at all related to anything I have coinnassaince of.
Also I've been working on improving my l'accent (if only because I'm tired of typing 'zhese' instead of 'these'). I totally am not just giving up on faking a french accent because french is my natural language after all~.

I am really not sure what to make of all of these lynch manigances. I'm kind of disappointed I'm still playing to be honest, but also I guess we can't vote Serela anymore again?

Also like I said, I submitted to get BT's role revealed to me. I didn't have time to change my mind before the day ended, however considering his actions at the end of the day and the result I got, I don't want to reveal it inutilement.
Yes that means I believe he's town.

I mostly want to focus on the people who didn't comment much or at all at the end of the day yesterday. And Raikaria. Dormio wagon encountered a lot of unexpected resistance for a quickwagon, and Raikaria provided a lot of that resistance as well, so that's where my suspicions lead and what I'll be looking for when I get around to reading in depth.

So, allow me to interpret this correctly.

You confess that you do not understand why your lynch failed.

You then confess that you targeted BT with your claimed rolecop. This is despite BT being one of your largest supporters during the Day. To the point that he was calling for a D2 lynch on myself if you flipped rolecop; ignoreing the fact there were 4 other people also upon that condemnation. Why use your 'one-shot' rolecop on someone supporting you? Why not someone you suspect, such as myself or Dormio? My biggest issue with you D1 was a seeming lack of hunting for sinners. This appears to have continued.

Conveniently, as well as targeting your supporter, your supporter's role is one you do not wish to reveal to the world. One not worth confessing? How... convenient.

Good morning to you too, M?decins Sans Fronti?res.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX


lmao serela

I'll make more posts when I'm not running late for work.

For the record I'm not totally sure what to think of Zakeri, since his circumstances aren't the best (suspicious unexplained lynchblock, rolecop fakeclaim) but his behavior makes sense to me ever since we ran him up for the lynch yesterday.

Before anyone gets on my case of medical journal reports, "roleblock fakeclaim" was totally a slip of the tongue, but only because that's what I was imagining at that particular moment. I'm still leaning town on that slot.

And then we have this slip; made almost immediately after, by BT. A self-confessed slip of the tounge. Why would BT need to imagine a reality where Zakeri was roleblocked? Another convenient one that that for his claim.

You also have BT's insistence that we should not vote for a one-shot rolecop. When roles =/= alignment. And it's a one-shot. So it's ultimately not a very useful role in the grand designs of the Lord. Not to mention his aggression towards me in particular on the matter.

The one doubt I currently have regarding the sinful nature of Zakeri was something protected him from being condemned yesterday. And I doubt that the sinners would have a role that gave command of merciful angels like that.

I don't believe Zakeri's claim or the circumstances that would lead him to check BT. I don't like BT's slip of the tongue. I don't like BT's vehement defense of Zakeri. I don't like Zakeri's lack of scumhunting D1.

BT frankly dosen't seem to be scumhunting much either; just parking on a D1 lurker.

##Vote: BT

This could just as easily be a Zakeri vote. I don't like either of them or the circumstances around their LD1 and ED2 interactions. However Zakeri being spared the fires of Hell yesterday makes me think BT might be slightly more likly to be a sinner than him.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 09:31:08 AM
I also belive Zakeri's claim that he 'made a mistake' on his night action is spoken with a serpent's forked tounge. The night phase was 24 hours. Zakeri had more than enough time to notice that mistake and send an updated order.

And again, it is... convient. Although I doubt any valid reason to have selected BT from Zakeri's position in the first place.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 09:31:38 AM
The fact that Zakeri wasn't killed despite his rolecop claim is also suspicious.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 09:32:56 AM
The fact that Zakeri wasn't killed despite his rolecop claim is also suspicious. Amen.

Thoughts flowing out rapidly in the morning led to human errors regarding praise. Humans are imperfect, only the Lord is.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:28:57 AM
Rai. Here's your aspirin, don't forget, one pill every day.

Why are you not voting for Zak instead if that's what you think? And yes, you would have a good reason to.

Where did he say he was one shot?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 10:33:41 AM
Rai. Here's your aspirin, don't forget, one pill every day.

Why are you not voting for Zak instead if that's what you think? And yes, you would have a good reason to.

Where did he say he was one shot?

The one doubt I currently have regarding the sinful nature of Zakeri was something protected him from being condemned yesterday. And I doubt that the sinners would have a role that gave command of merciful angels like that.

I am a one-shot rolecop. I have decided to investigate BT and will post zhe results as I get zhem.

The fact you are clearly not listening to the congregation is not helping your case.

Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 10:37:24 AM
Also the fact that Zakeri did indeed say beforehand he intended to check BT is an interesting fact that I omitted.

I still do not think that checking BT was the best course of action from his perspective, with BT acting like some sort of guardian angel towards him, and Zakeri saying this morning that he has other suspects. But the fact that Zakeri seems to have kept to his prior word does somewhat mitigate the fact I find his choice strange.

Also the fact BT is not listening to the congregation further supports the concept that he is not looking for sin.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:53:03 AM
I'm sorry, the hearing test will take place shortly.

What do you think transpired to save Zakeri from the lynch, and why does it suggest that he is town?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
I'll say that my vehemence from yesterday towards you has mellowed during the night.

But I wanna get that stuff sorted in the files:

You think Zak is lying about me because we're buddies.
You also think someone lynchblocked him and that suggests that he's town.

1.

How do these two facts gel together, let alone in a way that makes you vote for me?

2.

What does that make the competing wagon, which was on Dormio?

3.

I'd love your thoughts on Dormio, actually.

Defibrillator daisuki
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 12:57:42 PM
What do you think transpired to save Zakeri from the lynch, and why does it suggest that he is town?

I belive that there is someone in the game with the ability to over-ride a lynch once. I severely doubt this is an ability that a sinner would be granted.

In addition; the note mentioned is very specific.

As the group gathers to the Angels' dwelling, to indicate they decided who among them was Scum and did not belong in Heaven, the group was baffled to find the Angels's house to be locked up and barred.

There was just a simple note:

"Postponed."

It may not have been a miracle that outright saved Zakeri's life. Postponement means delayed until later. It could be that Zakeri dies at the end of the day phase. A double-lynch. I could be incorrect about this however. It could just mean that the condemnation as a whole was delayed, not specifically Zakeri's condemnation. I personally hope for the former. While I am a Holy Man, to claim to be perfect would be blasphemy.

You think Zak is lying about me because we're buddies.
You also think someone lynchblocked him and that suggests that he's town.

1.

How do these two facts gel together, let alone in a way that makes you vote for me?

2.

What does that make the competing wagon, which was on Dormio?

3.

I'd love your thoughts on Dormio, actually.

Defibrillator daisuki

1: I say my primary misgiving about Zakeri is the lynch delay/block. Do not misinterpret that. If not for that fact, I would be voting for Zakeri's condemnation. I have seen very little to indicate Zakeri as town from his own play, and I find his claim, his choice of investigation, and your slip after his report very suspicious.

As for why I am voting for you; I do not know how long Zakeri's protection would last. I have not seen much hunting for Sinners from you either. In fact, I have seen quite a lot of evidence that you have no intention to do so, such as your statement to tunnel on my from yesterday, and evidence today that you are not reading even the post you are responding to, or a claim that was the spark that lit your aforementioned fervent defense of Zakeri.

You seem rather invested in Zakeri's survival, and towards the end of Day 1, your statement of intent to tunnel upon me. Perhaps you were not so interested in Zakeri's survival as setting up an easy wagon for Day 2? But this is all conjecture and 'what if' based on the confessions you provided.

The fact Zakeri is alive today as well; despite claiming Rolecop; is suspect.

2: As I stated during Day 1; I did not like the Dormio wagon, even less than I liked the Zakeri wagon. Note this wagon was primarily pushed by yourself and Zakeri [Who stated Not me over me]. However; a confirmed townie in SB was also upon this route of condemnation.

3: As stated before; Dormio had a few points I had misgivings about, as per my pressure on Dormio and Polaris part of the way through the day. I had actually hoped to get some more information and private confessionals from Polaris using my ability, but as previously stated, Polaris refused to confess. The target being Polaris for similar reasons at to why I am currently pressing on You-Zakeri. Polaris and Dormio seem unusually close. Their posts often follow and echo each other.

Dormio's point-blank refusal to claim towards the end of the last Holy Day also puts a question mark over him.

To be completely frank, I can see viable reasons to condemn pretty much anyone in this game right now. Except for myself, of course. PX and ActionDan would easily be condemnable due to hiding in the shadows and refusing to join the congregation. I find both apparent duos of yourself and Zakeri and Dormio-Polaris suspect for individual reasons. I am merely pushing you here while attempting to get my questions regarding the other pairing answered using my ability. And Serela is suspect for the exact same reasons as I stated Day 1; a lack of sinner-hunting and useful participation.  I actually do not have any townreads currently.

Speaking of Serela; Serela's Day 2 posts so far consist of a lurker vote; an apparent ability use we've not seen any outcome for yet, and waffle that seems beyond the usual Serela-waffle; such as talking about getting mislynched on Day 3.

I hope this answers your questions, child.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
To clarrify on a matter I just said:

Zakeri escaping condemnation I believe to be a town ability. This does not mean that Zakeri is sinless. It merely means that someone decided to save him. The fact that this someone, who almost certainly has a one-shot ability, has not claimed said ability is a little disconcerting however.

The alternative, of course, is Zakeri [Or BT's] own ability is some kind of reprieve from condemnation, and did not save him. The lack of anyone claiming responsibility for the lynch result makes me think this is likly. A sort of 'lynch delay' ability may be a possible ability of a sinner. More likely that an outright nullifcation.

But, these are merely what-ifs. They are not set in stone, and will not be unless the God alMighty reveals the reasons in some form or another.

However, I would like to ask the almighty a question:

Do we still have the option to No Lynch or did the events at the end of D1 rob us of this?

I am not pushing for No Lynch, I merely want clarrification so that we may take the best option avaliable based on the confessions at this congregation.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 01:20:57 PM
The mod informed us that Serela is tested positive for being "Town". See, everyone can miss plaintext information in the thread, even the pope.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 01:29:31 PM
I think you're reading too much into my accusations from yesterday. I like getting all extreme and bombastic when I'm posting quickly. During the night I kind of understood why you kept golunning for Zakeri late in the day despitee his claim even though I really, really disagreed with it during the heat of the moment.

It's, like, I just believe that Zak is town, and my slipup happened despite the fact that I'm town. Take a breather and convince yourself that this can be the case.

Anyway...

It's hard to compose a post and reread at the same time on the phone. As hard as gastrectomy. I'll try doing that now.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 02:17:06 PM
I reread the last 120 posts and I'm willing to Lynch between

Dormio
PX
Polaris
ActionDan

I'm going to parrot the mentally deceased guy's argument here - Dormio's cases have been cherrypicked, his engagement is unhelpful, and I'll add that he wasn't helpful towards deadline, didn't budge about Zakeri's claim, declined to claim himself, and hasn't posted even a good morning post so far.

I'm struggling to remember why I liked Pollykins, and reading through the end of day one I dislike his helplessness around the whole situation. I think that ignoring the quicktopic with Raikaria in it is suspicious, especially for an excuse like "I suspected him".

PX, is, like, entirely unhelpful, just there to support wagons. The fact that he was around to support the Zakeri wagon right on time irks me to no end.

I can't really say anything about Dan but it would make me happier if he was guilty instead of those other people.


Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 23, 2018, 02:47:29 PM
BT:"I read the last 120 posts, and I'm willing to lynch anyone except the townest person here, the literal confirmed town, and myself!" Oh, and Zakeri I guess. I'm -trying- not to just think it's a Bt/Zak scumteam here I really am.

Honestly Polaris reads as angry town to me. And this is WIFOM but if I was Polly and scum I'd just nightkill the hell out of Raikaria, it's a good nk target isn't it? Avoids the whole "I didn't want to talk to him so I yelled and left" situation... that's more of a supporting reason though, I came to the conclusion I think Polly is town before ever thinking about that.

OK I'm gonna go actually reread BT/Dorms/PX and think about it things more. Raikaria still is not scum. Is there enough Zak to actually reread on???

And Delurk could potentially put us at 2-3 tomorrow, LYLO. How do you interpret that as 'safe'?
um
because 2-4 is also lylo. Lynch, nightkill, 2-2, town loss.

It's lylo EITHER WAY, so, yeah, we should delurk someone if we can.

Sorry kimmy, but I'd rather the slot be gone than enter d3 lylo with someone who's been in the game for 24 hours. :C Of course though, the decision is not up to me, there, if you end up in here I'm not complaining. <3
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 23, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
kinumi replaces ActionDan effective immediately.

No hydra is created.

VOTECOUNT
PX (3): Polaris, WHMZakeri, BT
BT (1): Raikaria

EoD Timer (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20181225T000001&p0=%3A&font=cursive&csz=1)

Flavour you missed out on has to do with Angels, everyone being dead, yada yada... I'm sorry, I just can't. ;_; Laziest mod ever.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 23, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
ugh everything about this reread is making me want to throw bt and zak in a couples dumpster

I know I'm being really biased but it feels like BT just dances around lynching Zakeri and then totally tries to brush him off after the claim and not care anymore. They both try to set up a quickwagon on dorms, Zak isn't claiming the BT rolecop but they're best buds now apparently after wanting eachother dead?

polly is still angry town for most of d1

PX lurked too much to really do anything other than claim he might be classic lurkscum cruising along. I wouldn't really mind delurking him instead of dan but can we PLEASE get rid of one? I'd rather delurk dan because he existed less

I actually think dormio's pretty good for most of d1, I think it's dumb that he starts voting SB for SB thinking it might be good to delurk twice during the game. Bad planning =/= scummy planning. He realizes this soon and moves his vote back off, but his endgame d1 is pretty much just voting not-me-over-me? Still, I think otherwise he's not that bad looking? Like, I'd definitely not lynch him before the other 3 guys.
Quote from: BT
You also think someone lynchblocked him and that suggests that he's town.
The lynchblocker is probably town, and town can easily Be Wrong and lynchblock a scum lynch. The lynchblock means nothing.

When I reread, BT's Dormio suspicion is LITERALLY JUST SHEEPING. Other than prodding when Dormio dropped his dumb SB vote to retake the BT vote he'd used most of the day, but that's just easy pickings. BT's d1 is actually worse than I thought it was, on reread. It really just looks like him going, Oh Hey, People Suspect Dormio, Let's Quickwagon Him Now That Zak Claimed.

yeah. I want to lynch bt or zak.
##Vote:BT

Cut:Ok ActionDan got replaced. Hi  Kimmyyy <3
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 04:17:20 PM
ugh everything about this reread is making me want to throw bt and zak in a couples dumpster
It's like I'm being shipped with Zak or something

Look, I started coming around to the Dormio Lynch when SB mentioned that he's been voting me for 24 hours for pretty assumptuous reasons without updating the vote. Before that point I actually leaned town on the guy.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 04:18:10 PM
Of course I'm talking about being shipped some fresh new defibrillators
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 04:18:34 PM
mango

considering nobody posted since i left other than my tentative town reads and serela, here are some assorted fruits thoughts. (i'm on my phone, did zak post before or after i left? he doesn't count)

bt you misunderstand why i ignored raikaria, it's not because i suspected him it's because i believe there is a fundamental incompatibility in our thought processes that would keep us from actually being productive if we were to continue talking in private

re: whoever governated zak (assuming it's some form of governor for the sake of simplicity and use of the word governated), it feels like a scum move to me because at the very least feels like it hurt town more than it helped.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 04:25:47 PM
lychee

i guess if i start from the thinking point that the lynch block was scum, i guess i have to consider the scenario where zak is scum whose lynch was blocked by (himself/a buddy?) and meanwhile he fakeclaimed (or realclaimed? could be a scum rolecop)

eh this is approaching speculation territory. i'll go back and reread zak instead
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 04:40:10 PM
yuzu

lmao remember that one part in day 1 where zak was like "oh no looks like i am being suspected. oh well" and bt posted the tuxedo mask meme in response

there's a possible scenario here where zakeri knew he had a governor on his side and wasn't worrying too much about his lynch? (kinda like how bt described serela's posts as "relaxed" which turned out to be because of serelapony's role)

(if this was, like, a book, bt's serela observation would have been great foreshadowing for the serelapony character arc)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: kinumi on December 23, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
CELERY!  ♥️

I-I-I'll try my best to play mafia, I'm a little scared.


Um...I don't want to vote celery or raikaria, they're so wholesome! <3 Raikaria feels like he's trying hard to catch the bad guys...


I uhhh I'm wary of Polaris...he didn't say much about failing to lynch zakeri...does that make him a bad guy?


Maybe zakeri is a bad guy if we couldn't lynch him on day 1! If he was town wouldn't the mafia let him get lynched?

I don't want to vote BT THEY SEEM VERY CUTE AND WHOLESOME! ♥️ isn't it better to vote zakeri? If zakeri is mafia we don't know for sure about BT. Maybe mafia wanted to cop a good town for information?

PX... I feel scared looking at their posts.  They didn't do anything and just voted one guy...

We can do it everyone! 




Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: kinumi on December 23, 2018, 04:42:03 PM
##vote:zakeri
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
white sapote

oh god i'm feeling it

another fundamental incompatibility
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 05:47:51 PM
because 2-4 is also lylo. Lynch, nightkill, 2-2, town loss.

It's lylo EITHER WAY, so, yeah, we should delurk someone if we can.

I popped in for a quick read, I am currently busy with clerical matters, such as my prayers.

However I saw this and had to quickly respond.

Serela, do you know what MYLO and LYLO mean?

MYLO = Mislynch and lose

LYLO = Lynch or Lose

2/4 is MYLO. No lynch is an option in 2/4

2/3 is LYLO. The Righteous must lynch or they lose.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 23, 2018, 06:48:24 PM
raikaria
please explain to the class
why you'd rather give the mafia another nightkill via no-lynching in mylo
instead of killing a lurker who might be scum
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 23, 2018, 06:51:13 PM
please keep in mind scum is allowed to NO KILL if they feel like the nk won't help them so there is no world where that is actually beneficial

unless you desperately want 48 more hours of discussion in which case mafia please nightkill me to save me from this world
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 23, 2018, 09:19:58 PM
Firstly, I shall open this post by expressing my apologies for my extended absence.
Now that formalities are out of the way, I shall append the following to my post:
##DeLurk: PX
##Vote: BT

As outlined within my prior posts [55] [56], there are a few issues that I had with BT's posts during the first Day Phase.
The first being that BT's first serious vote [6], was based solely on the fact that SB was third on wagon. Now, given that these events transpired fairly early into the Day Phase, I realize that this point does not hold as much weight but it is still something that I keep in mind.
The next point that I wish to restate is regarding BT asking why he and PX are receiving pressure for making votes with minimal reason while Zakeri is not [23a]. As mentioned in my prior post [56], I feel that this is indicative of a state of mind that is attempting to shift blame rather than actively search for criminals.
Now, he does address this point within a later post [23b], however this seems like a weak reason to me given the existence of other lurkers at the time such as ActionDan and PX.

Moving on from this, I shall now address BT's posts regarding myself that occurred later during the first Day Phase.
As mentioned recently by Serela [57], a majority of BT's reasoning for voting myself [58] during the first Day Phase involved borrowing SB's reasoning for the most part and his further posts regarding myself [59] [60] [61] do not add any of his own reasoning.
In addition to this, the switch from having left his vote on Zakeri for most of the day to voting for myself and thinking that Zakeri is almost certainly town [61] seems quite unnatural to me.
Now, if we take a look at BT's more recent opinion regarding myself [62], it is again quoting SB rather than using much of his own reasoning. In addition to this, the reasons BT provides regarding myself are uninteresting. To break them down individually:

In addition, regarding BT's most recent posts [63], I request that BT provide an explanation so as to why SB mentioning that I have been voting for BT for the majority of the day is worse than BT voting for Zakeri for most of the day for non-contribution towards the continuation of the game state when ActionDan and PX existed at the time.


[6] I'm a rogue. Wanna see what I can do to you with a tongue depresser? Because that's what you're gonna get for being third on the wagon.
[23a] So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?
[23b] I'm voting Zak because it seemed like he disliked the Serela wagon (and the late joiners on it) because of vote tallies (hence his vote) but then he figured out vote tallies don't matter as much as they usually do and then proceeded to do fuck all and leave.
[55] Following my previous line of questioning towards BT [18a] [18b], his vote on SB [6] seems quite lazy to me. His followup vote on Serela [19] further builds this sentiment that BT is not actively attempting to find the traitors in our midst that would prefer to live in a world without rules to govern our behaviors and instead looking for easy targets for the lynch.
[56] The first statement that I wish to address is BT's initial argument against Zakeri [23a]. What I find interesting about the argument presented within this post [23] is that he argues with the people attacking him by stating that WHMZakeri is guilty of the same crimes that he has committed and appears to be affected more by the fact that WHMZakeri is not being prosecuted for committing the same crimes as himself rather than the fact that he has been accused of a crime himself.
[57] When I reread, BT's Dormio suspicion is LITERALLY JUST SHEEPING. Other than prodding when Dormio dropped his dumb SB vote to retake the BT vote he'd used most of the day, but that's just easy pickings. BT's d1 is actually worse than I thought it was, on reread. It really just looks like him going, Oh Hey, People Suspect Dormio, Let's Quickwagon Him Now That Zak Claimed.
[58] I'd add on the topic of Dormio but I agree with what SB's saying and can't think of anything else that looked weird. I mean, I have my doubts too, 'cause I remember posts that made me think town pro-activity, but I know Dormio's capable of that. Muu. Amaurosis fugax.
[59] Why not Dormio. Salpingoophorectomy.
[60] OK but at least Zak claimed. Hello.
[61] Last chance for any of you stragglers to switch to Dormio. I'm pretty certain that Zak is town at this point. Blood infusion.
[62] I'm going to parrot the mentally deceased guy's argument here - Dormio's cases have been cherrypicked, his engagement is unhelpful, and I'll add that he wasn't helpful towards deadline, didn't budge about Zakeri's claim, declined to claim himself, and hasn't posted even a good morning post so far.
[63] Look, I started coming around to the Dormio Lynch when SB mentioned that he's been voting me for 24 hours for pretty assumptuous reasons without updating the vote. Before that point I actually leaned town on the guy.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 09:57:17 PM
I'll answer your request first:

In addition, regarding BT's most recent posts [63], I request that BT provide an explanation so as to why SB mentioning that I have been voting for BT for the majority of the day is worse than BT voting for Zakeri for most of the day for non-contribution towards the continuation of the game state when ActionDan and PX existed at the time.
Sure, if I were doing to Zak exactly what you were doing to me, I'd have room for pause, except I didn't notice at the time because I'm not busy scumhunting my own slot.
Kinda mean of me, because you can expect me to do self-reflection once in a while. I dunno, maybe I used to do that years ago. I'm rusty.

That's beside the point: I'm gonna argue that you and I weren't doing the same thing. For one, I thought my own reasons for voting Zak were accurate. I should think so, because I'm the one who thought of them. Meanwhile, SB pointed out that your vote doesn't do my slot justice, and I looked back and it, said, "yeah, he's right", and started disliking your case. Lemme highlight the parts of your case and talk about 'em:

##Vote: BT

Following my previous line of questioning towards BT [18a] [18b], his vote on SB [6] seems quite lazy to me. His followup vote on Serela [19] further builds this sentiment that BT is not actively attempting to find the traitors in our midst that would prefer to live in a world without rules to govern our behaviors and instead looking for easy targets for the lynch.
PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
Here you argue that I'm looking for easy targets. I mean, I thought this was fine at the time. A little annoying since I wasn't going for "easy targets", because I wasn't looking for targets, my SB and Serela votes were 100% pressure votes and this was the first 24 hours of the game hello

Now that I have some more time available to myself, I shall create a post further detailing my thoughts on PX and BT from my prior post [22] as necessitated by BT's recent stream of posts which shall be referred to within the appendix as necessary.
The first statement that I wish to address is BT's initial argument against Zakeri [23a]. What I find interesting about the argument presented within this post [23] is that he argues with the people attacking him by stating that WHMZakeri is guilty of the same crimes that he has committed and appears to be affected more by the fact that WHMZakeri is not being prosecuted for committing the same crimes as himself rather than the fact that he has been accused of a crime himself.
Now, this is simple speculation on my part, but I am still presenting the following statement as part of my case: I believe that the above speculation suggests that BT is not mounting a defense against the accusations surrounding himself as he holds a guilty conscience and is instead focused on searching for a scapegoat onto which he can push the blame.
This speculation on my behalf is supported by BT's next post [23b] explaining why he is voting for WHMZakeri. Within this post, there is no mention of why WHMZakeri should be voted for as opposed to himself or PX, the two mentioned within BT's prior post [23a]. I believe that this failure to address this issue supports my speculation that BT is searching for a scapegoat to push the blame onto rather than actively searching for those who would disregard the rules of civil conduct.
This is the worse post. Here you try to spin some story that I'm looking for a scapegoat. What does that even mean? Of course I'm going to find a lynch target, what else do you expect?

The accusation that I'm not defending myself because I have a guilty conscience is poppycock. I'm town, why should I give a shit what people think? I'm gonna post about things I think are suspicious and people will eventually get on my side. Scum are the sensitive ones, they're the ones who are stuck defending themselves most of the time.

The story here is that I'm not defending myself but instead looking for someone to wagon, which is called playing the game. Instead you call it "scapegoating".

The last bit about ignoring PX and myself is triggered because I compared my vote, PX's vote and Zak's vote, but that's because I wanted to see what Rai thought about those votes before-and-after. I said as much back then, (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416792.html#msg1416792) but I'm not sure you noticed...

By the way, if you read that post, I mentioned that I found your explanation for my actions confusing. That's why what SB said later clicked so well with me. "Didn't I think that case was confusing? Maybe it was maliciously so."



I didn't have to do this in-depth, but I wanted to. Enjoy the soothing analgesia.

If anyone wants to see why I agree with SB then this is the post for you.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
Addendum: I don't care that I'm parroting SB, because I think he's right. The last post should tell you why.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
mangosteen

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't polaris also kind of blatantly parrot SB the other day???

~ someone who isn't polaris
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
The next point that I wish to restate is regarding BT asking why he and PX are receiving pressure for making votes with minimal reason while Zakeri is not [23a]. As mentioned in my prior post [56], I feel that this is indicative of a state of mind that is attempting to shift blame rather than actively search for criminals.
Now, he does address this point within a later post [23b], however this seems like a weak reason to me given the existence of other lurkers at the time such as ActionDan and PX.
I'm gonna mention this one last time because I got too mad about "scapegoating" in the earlier post.

I asked Raikaria "why not Zak over me or PX". Only him. I asked him this because I thought his reasons should apply to Zak, and wanted to see what he thought of that and what he'd do. That's the only reason I brought that up.

You got hung up on that post to conjure an entire story about me shifting blame, where that's the only place I did something you could mistake as shifting blame. And mistake you did.

Proteinuria. Troponin. Intussusception.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 23, 2018, 10:10:52 PM
Dormio: I didn't like his insistence of one point on BT ignoring the rest of BT's posts, do not feel like his refusal to claim is scum minded, do not like his disappearance at the end of the day, however his latest post seems fine for now

Serela: His posts later on in day 1 did not seem like scum posting to me, just mostly posting

Polly: Need to read on?

Raikaria: His 286 post really alarms me. First his statement that his ability automatically makes him town. I don't like his suspicion on Polly because Townies are people too and they can dislike someone and not share information if they want to. Hiding information from everybody is sometimes better than sharing it with the guilty, but he seems vehemently against the idea. He's posting a "gotcha" point on BT ignoring the correction he made afterwards on an incorrect word and then using the exact same point to paint Zakeri guilty (the idea that Zak is fakeclaiming rolecop).

Roles do not indicate any alignment, it's how they're used.

The fact that nobody spoke up about the ability that saved Zakeri leads me to believe that it is scum aligned.

Zakeri's claim, I'm feeling 50/50 about if it's true or not. Zak flipping scum would indict BT but I'm not feeling BT being scum so instead I'll point my vote towards who I think is misleading people the most

##Vote: Raikaria

Helpful tip: An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 23, 2018, 10:13:21 PM
I'll shore it up to that I don't like Raikaria using really shoddy reasoning to paint blame onto pretty much everybody, mostly BT and Zakeri though.

Helpful tip: Curiosity killed the cat
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:15:16 PM
  • Dormio's cases have been cherrypicked - Please clarify this matter.
I think I just did.

  • his engagement is unhelpful - Please clarify this matter by providing your definition of unhelpful. I have stated my opinions with regards to who I believe to be a criminal and provided the reasoning for these opinions. Does this contradict your definition of helpful?
  • and I'll add that he wasn't helpful towards deadline - I added a vote to my counterwagon as the lynch that I wished for did not appear to have a chance at succeeding.
I meant more in a "not helpful for pushing the game state" sort of way. If I have to prod minimal content out of you then you're not being helpful. Plus, I don't remember you taking an active role in the end-of-day wagons.

  • didn't budge about Zakeri's claim - I fail to see how a claim should make me want to vote for myself.
It wasn't always you-or-him. It was only you-or-him in the last, like, 10 minutes of the day. You coulda said something sooner, but you waited until you were being flash wagoned.

  • declined to claim himself - I fail to see why you require access to my confidential documentation.
I dunno, if I were being flash wagoned, and my claim could save town a mislynch, I think I'd claim. But this is a weaker point so whatever.

  • and hasn't posted even a good morning post so far - guten Morgen
Guten-fucking-tag.

Also glomerulonephritis.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 10:17:03 PM
did you know? an apple a day keeps a doctor away :V

i'm actually amazed at how much i agree with almost all of PX's one post

vote change pending a reread (or more like a re-skim) of recent posts
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:21:06 PM
Raikaria: His 286 post really alarms me.
286 is mine. Use a direct link instead, you'll be a regional hero.

The fact that nobody spoke up about the ability that saved Zakeri leads me to believe that it is scum aligned.
If mafia decided to postpone or cancel (can't decide) the lynch on purpose, and Zak is town, why would they? To let the one-shot rolecop use his role before dying? Doesn't make sense to me.

Fibrinoid necrosis.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:24:56 PM
oh god i'm feeling it

another fundamental incompatibility
I was just reaidng back but ngl this is a huge big bang theory moment of yours

splenomegaly.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:25:58 PM
^ it makes you sound like a huge nerd

Vasodilator.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 10:26:11 PM
acai, the superfruit

ok honestly maybe a good chunk of that was me going "yes!!! yes!!! someone else agrees raikaria doesn't make any sense!!!!!"

given that i don't actually think raikaria is scum and px seems to have missed serela's innocent child reveal, i think he needs a followup post
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 23, 2018, 10:27:48 PM
"You confess that you do not understand why your lynch failed."
exacte.
"The night phase was 24 hours. Zakeri had more than enough time to notice that mistake and send an updated order."
Non, non, non, That is incorrect.
My action is actually a day action submitted in private. when I said "I have decided to investigate BT and will post zhe results as I get zhem." I meant that I had already submitted the request to investigate. I did not get results until The Lord returned at day's ends. Because day was over (and also because the results had been sent to me already) I could not reflect and change les avis.
For the record, when I submitted the request, there were two hours left in the day. Afterwards I was too absorbed in my own lynch to consider changing targets. I do regret not being able to.

---

I don't like Zakeri's lack of scumhunting D1.

BT frankly dosen't seem to be scumhunting much either; just parking on a D1 lurker.
Also the fact BT is not listening to the congregation further supports the concept that he is not looking for sin.
I have not seen much hunting for Sinners from you either. In fact, I have seen quite a lot of evidence that you have no intention to do so, such as your statement to tunnel on my from yesterday, and evidence today that you are not reading even the post you are responding to,

This repetition is striking me in a funny sense. I cannot tell if it is merely tunnel vision or if this is some sort of attempt at illusory truth.

During the later half of le premier jour, PX had only made three posts. One stating he was not here. One stating he was still not here. One stating he was still not here, but also that he would vote for me. Considering my position I find this highly scum motivated. I can understand if you find the content regarding this case unsatisfactory, but it is something I think is worth pursuing information.

for that matter, because of the suspicion this has given me, I've decided to go over your posts and I spot a clear disconnect. In #153 you deflect the lurker hunt from PX to actiondan, including a change of vote to go with it, and in addition, you add in a defense for PX's lack of activity by reminding other that he has promised content. A lot of your other content for the rest of dayone follows this pattern as well. in 184, Raikaria posts reads on everyone, mentioning how "unhelpful" PX's vote on me was but also subconciously ranking Actiondan higher priority. 214 and 240 create a pattern of "I believe PX is the worst, but Zakeri is the decided wagon for the day." Which is odd because he doesn't even bother mentioning actiondan even though that was his vote before consolidating onto me. Then it ends in post 252, where Raikaria claims he was pushing PX as the #1 lynch for the day.

When compared to Raikaria's actions today, where he dismisses the votes on PX as "absolutely not scumhunting"... il est m?fiant
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:33:55 PM
I think I figured out a reason why a town governor might wanna hide that they're a used-up one-shot town governor. I'll leave it to the reader to fill in the gaps.

Thrombocytopenia.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 23, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
Oh mon Dieu! PX posted while I was researching.

You missed my interrogation, so I will ask again. At the end of day one you said that Dormio looked bad, but you had a feeling I would more likely flip scum. Can you at least attempt to explain why you had this feeling?

The content post is much too bare for my tastes, but what is there I do agree with. How d?routant
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:37:55 PM
When I first read PX's post it bugged me that he clearly skimmed the game, but I guess didn't catch enough suspicious things along the way because that post lacks meat. And scum are usually the ones who have a hard time meating up their posts. I mean, the most substantial thing there seems to be one Raikaria post. And Rai posts lots.

The second thing I noticed is the weird back-and-forth on Dormio like he felt like he had to comment on him even though no one else got that wishy washy treatment? It might just be my tunnelvision (it's definitely my tunnelvision) but it makes me think PX is scum with Dormio.


When I read the post again it seemed more reasonable to me. So I dunno. I guess what I'm saying is that PX should post more but for now I don't like what I got.

Squamous.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 10:40:42 PM
ok I feel like my raikaria townread needs a peer review. if this doesn't actually hold up under scrutiny i'll need to reread

so remember that one time a couple of years ago when raikaria was like "i'd rather lynch zakeri over dormio" and bt was like "wow if zakeri flips town i'm gonna lynch raikaria so hard" and raikaria "is that..... a declaration of intent.... to TUNNEL????"

i feel like raikaria is in this position where he is town and he knows he is town, so he's basically considering everyone else from his town high horse like he's above it all, and it's really an impressive (or impressively depressing) lack of self-awareness to realize that what he did would in fact look extremely scummy if zakeri did flip town at that moment

like the reaction felt so genuinely offended that i dunno if it's possible for scum to fake that

(i was thinking of this because raikaria made a repeat comment about this in the quicktopic, one of the things i read before i quit it entirely)

thanks for reading, constructive criticism appreciated

cherimoya

cut by BT: kind of funny that we had the opposite reactions on PX's post
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 23, 2018, 10:41:33 PM
accord? that what "was there" was a reason to vote for Raikaria and ignore dormio's post.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:45:03 PM
Polly I said I think the PX post is reasonable after I read it again. But, like, even if I think he's saying sensible things, I still think it might fit scum in his position. You can't win with these things.

Especially if you have pseudohermaphroditism.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:46:21 PM
I didn't mention kim/kinumi but there's another sensible sound post but I want more posts please. He or she? I forgot im sorry

PARAPARESIS
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:49:54 PM
thanks for reading, constructive criticism appreciated
I read that post again and it's just not very emotive. I can't get a read on it.

I do think Raikaria had a bunch of other townie sounding posts but I don't remember which, dude posts a lot.

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Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 23, 2018, 10:56:29 PM
A review of where I stand before I go to sleep.

1,2. Serela and Raikaria are town I think but they're too hung up about the strength of my votes and overlooking all the other townie stuff I've been doing. they should reevaluate their cases.

3. I need to reread Polly tomorrow because I'm bouncing back and forth, but 80% of the time I think he's town and emoting like a townie would.

4. Zak still feels town to me.

5. kim/kinumi needs to post most and their posts don't sway me one way or another, it's like PX's post on steroids: the things in there are OK but it's way too short and therefore weak and easily faked if they're scum.

6,7. My vote is still on PX and honestly I'm not sure I want to switch to Dormio, it's like, I still remember some D1 dormio posts which made me think he's town despite his fiction about me being mafia. I still think PX was conveniently there to lynch the oneshot rolecop (only for a town governor to thwart that). I still want to get to the bottom of this slot. PX it is.

Hopefully I didn't miss anyone. NMR! NMR! NMR!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 10:59:33 PM
cut by bt which i'm putting up at the front: i meant how i liked PX's post at first but it looked like it was skimming after a second look, but you were like oh PX looks like he was skimming and then said you found it reasonable after a second look :v

i've got my head in the clooooooouuuuuddberries~

ok quick update on actual scumreads

- px: more content needed but he's shaping up, if only he posted more in d1. still possible to be scum based on how d1 wagons went down but pursuing that is really more contingent on a zakeri/dormio flip
- zakeri: after reading d1 in isolation, zakeri is pretty scummy with the weird dancing with BT and the "oh no i'm suspicious, woe is me" post that is actually kind of hilarious when i think about it. d2 posts don't make him seem any better or worse. the only problem is his claim, which skews him towards the possibility of town
- dormio: imo i feel like dormio voting bt AGAIN is kind of bleh (honestly the BT wagon looks kind of iffy in general, but then again one of the votes is Raikaria and another one is Serela). the case looks ok but i can't remember if he actually talked about anyone other than BT.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 10:59:54 PM
guava BT NOO I LIKE JUST HAVING AN ACTIVE PERSON POST ALONGSIDE ME
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 11:06:15 PM
nectarine

##Unvote
##Vote Dormio


imo i'm gonna switch to a pressure vote Dormio for more content here, since on a second look I realized he only talked about BT (and spent a good chunk of time defending himself over anything else)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 23, 2018, 11:08:33 PM
Raikaria: His 286 post really alarms me. First his statement that his ability automatically makes him town. I don't like his suspicion on Polly because Townies are people too and they can dislike someone and not share information if they want to. Hiding information from everybody is sometimes better than sharing it with the guilty, but he seems vehemently against the idea. He's posting a "gotcha" point on BT ignoring the correction he made afterwards on an incorrect word and then using the exact same point to paint Zakeri guilty (the idea that Zak is fakeclaiming rolecop).

Roles do not indicate any alignment, it's how they're used.

The fact that nobody spoke up about the ability that saved Zakeri leads me to believe that it is scum aligned.

A slip is a slip. BT confessed it was a slip. Looking for slips is a major part of scumhunting.

I myself have said roles do not indicate alignment as part of the fact my continued suspicion on Zakeri. However, if you want to think a Neighbouriser is a potential sinner-role, go ahead and think that. I personally subscribe to Love Thy Neighbour.

I have spoken up about the ability that saved Zakeri. I have also stated the fact that no-one has claimed responsibility is suspicious. You're agreeing with me a lot here PX. I'm unsure where your conclusion that I am the worst is coming from, although scrutiny is appreciated.

i feel like raikaria is in this position where he is town and he knows he is town, so he's basically considering everyone else from his town high horse like he's above it all, and it's really an impressive (or impressively depressing) lack of self-awareness to realize that what he did would in fact look extremely scummy if zakeri did flip town at that moment

like the reaction felt so genuinely offended that i dunno if it's possible for scum to fake that

(i was thinking of this because raikaria made a repeat comment about this in the quicktopic, one of the things i read before i quit it entirely)

Well; when you're town, and you know you are town, who else can you trust but thyself? I guess Serela at this point since he is confirmed. Perhaps the least useful confirmed townie other than perhaps PX, but alas.

Also it's a shame you quit the confessional booth Polaris. I hoped you would be useful for directing my stream of thoughts. A second opinion. There might have even been benefits for you.

So, I'll ask you in public, seeing as you declined to answer in private. Well; I won't ask for a claim in public. But I'll ask the second question again.

- A lot of Day 1 you seemed to be acting like Dormio's echo. Do you have any independent thoughts on people you haven't spoken about in the thread? Especially thoughts on Dormio himself.

for that matter, because of the suspicion this has given me, I've decided to go over your posts and I spot a clear disconnect. In #153 you deflect the lurker hunt from PX to actiondan, including a change of vote to go with it, and in addition, you add in a defense for PX's lack of activity by reminding other that he has promised content. A lot of your other content for the rest of dayone follows this pattern as well. in 184, Raikaria posts reads on everyone, mentioning how "unhelpful" PX's vote on me was but also subconciously ranking Actiondan higher priority. 214 and 240 create a pattern of "I believe PX is the worst, but Zakeri is the decided wagon for the day." Which is odd because he doesn't even bother mentioning actiondan even though that was his vote before consolidating onto me. Then it ends in post 252, where Raikaria claims he was pushing PX as the #1 lynch for the day.

When compared to Raikaria's actions today, where he dismisses the votes on PX as "absolutely not scumhunting"... il est m?fiant

Deflection? No. I was pointing out people ignoreing Actiondan when he was just as guilty of lurking in the shadows of this Holy place. I was pointing out inconsitancies in Delurk attempts. It made no sense to attempt to Delurk Px but not ActionDan who was equally guilty of the sin.

I thought PX was worse than Actiondan because no content is better than unhelpful content. Actiondan was never a viable wagon, so I simply elected not to waste the time of the congregation.

I am not pushing for PX currently because that would be nothing but pushing for an easy lurker lynch. It would not give us any interactions between players. It would not give us any information.

---

The current stance of the Church is that there seems to be two main pairings that have a lot of echoing/defending of each other during D1. Dormio-Polaris and Zakeri-BT.

Of those pairs, I think Dormio/BT are the worse of them. It's a bit awkward. BT was very buddy-buddy to Zakeri. Polaris most of D1 was just echoing Dormio. Zakeri's D2 does seem to have a lot more scumhunting effort than D1, but the failed lynch hangs over him. Is it a delayed lynch due to the specific mention of 'postponed'? A full immunity? The action of a town player who dosen't want to own up? The action of a sinner who seeks to mislead the flock?

And then there is the ever-unhelpful PX to consider.

A part of me regrets using my oneshot ability to attempt to gather information, as I could have used it to the Waffle-master instead. Who thinks the scum would no-kill for whatever reason...

---

Warning while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted

Well; Polaris gave the scumreads I wanted at least. So you can ignore that verse of my sermon.

---

Cut again.

I'm going to stay on BT for the time being because it is the twilight hours [11pm], there is no hammer anyway and I need to think.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 11:23:50 PM
Quote
- A lot of Day 1 you seemed to be acting like Dormio's echo. Do you have any independent thoughts on people you haven't spoken about in the thread? Especially thoughts on Dormio himself.

did I ever "echo" dormio on anything other than the delurk thing? lmao
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 23, 2018, 11:24:24 PM
lmao is, uh, singaporean for lemon
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 01:31:59 AM
this votecount is sponsored by satsuma melon

PX (2): Zakeri, BT
BT (3): Raikaria, Serela, Dormio
Zakeri (1): Kinumi
Raikaria (1): PX
Dormio (1): Polaris

end of day timer (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20181225T000001&p0=%3A&font=cursive&csz=1)

friendly reminder that we've passed the 24 hour mark and i think we should keep the idea of wagon consolidation in the back of our heads as we continue on for the next 20 hours or so
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 24, 2018, 03:53:41 AM
I would say, oh, eimm is over (I WON YAY), now I can actually focus on THIS mafia but

tomorrow is christmas eve...

I'll do my best ;_;
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 24, 2018, 06:56:57 AM
Merci, this game is boring. I wish I were dead.

Raikaria's answer is reasonable. There's no reason to continue pursuing it without knowledge of PX's alignment.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 1]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 24, 2018, 07:53:14 AM
i'm rereading Dormio and Polaris to review Rai's case against them, but mon en-ami Dormio is tiring to read that I'm not even past their first interaction and I had to go back and reread his posts because I missed information.

so I am specifically rereading Dormio and Polaris together and...
Polaris most of D1 was just echoing Dormio.

I am conflicted about the Zak wagon because the people currant-ly voting him are BT and Serela and you know how I feel about them `_`
Out of the potential options [46] provided in the most recent unofficial votecount [47], if a lynch on BT appeared to be impossible, the only other option that I would consider at that point would be Zakeri.

[46] Dormio, Zakeri, Serela, BT
[47] Weighing Scale 1.1

At the risk of this sounding like a "gotcha", what exactly about these two people expressing the opposite opinion at the same point in time one day one right after one another
I understand both were voting BT, but Polaris expresses he's wary of voting for me because Serela and BT were bad, while Dormio didn't care about BT voting for me and even stated he would rather lynch me over Serela.

Of course I'm not sure how Polaris and Dormio 'echoing' each other means one or both of them are scum in the first place. Even if they were, one could just be latching onto the other's opinion, and as I was reading them in tandem it felt more and more like they were coming to their conclusions individually. This game my town reading of Polaris a much stronger feeling and also even caused me to lean town on Dormio as well.

I should also go back and reread BT but I'm running out of patience and honestly a big part of why I'm discarding the option is because Raikaria's case consists entirely of scumbuddy theories that I know are false. I really just want to hit Raikaria over the head with a baguette.

Also I just now realized other people are voting BT, probably for reasons, but those people are Serela and Dormio so I never bothered to read them~
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 24, 2018, 08:12:36 AM
Mon Cheri Selery~
"It really just looks like [BT] going, Oh Hey, People Suspect Dormio, Let's Quickwagon Him Now That Zak Claimed."
This is actually a good point.


As for M'anemone Dormio...
"17 paragraphs about how BT spent day one sheeping SB"
Alright. I liked the point better when Serela made it (mostly because I didn't have to read 17 paragraphs, and because he also added a second thing afterward to his case that I quoted above)

As much of a waste of time reading (and writing must have been) Dormio's case on BT was, I am getting a slightly stronger town vibe from it as well.

As for BT himself, the cases alone aren't enough to convince me to vote him over PX. Or Raikaria for that matter.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:45:42 AM
@mod: you may want to consider a rain check on today's surgery, people probably prefer to spend time with their families tonight instead of angrily typing at strangers on the internet.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:54:33 AM
I think the argument that I jumped on a dormio quickwagon sounds more credible than it actually is. I mean. I had suspicions about Dormio. I wanted a different Lynch after Zak's claim. People were entertaining the idea. I think I'm the first person who switched votes too? Serela makes it sound way worse than it actually was. First aid kit.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: kinumi on December 24, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
I'm sorry, I've been busy today.  I'll post in a couple of hours.

I love you all ♥️
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 10:39:32 AM
I would concurr with BT's request.

I am currently pulling up the good books. I wish to specifically re-read my 4 primary suspects of sin [PX discounted as there isn't really anything to read] so I can re-evaluate based on D2 play, as I alluded to at before I went to sleep. This may take some time.

Patience is a virtue, after all.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 11:29:52 AM
After reading through again, I would like to ask Dormio for something.

Dormio, I cannot help but notice you being significantly quieter on this second holy day, and most of what you have said is merely pushing upon BT, who is your counterwagon.

Can you please share with the congregation your opinions on other topics of the day? Such as the result of Day 1; PX in general, and even myself. I would like to know your other opinions regarding these. I would also; while not asking you to claim, like to ask if there was a specific reason you were so vehemently against claiming towards the end of Day 1.

I am going to look at SB's interactions and interactions towards SB now. Continue the confessionals.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 24, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
I wish all players, as defined by Article 1 [10], a festive season's greetings.
I will state in advance that I may [64] not be around for the second Day Phase's end due to it occurring midday on Christmas.

The following segment of this post is designed to discuss BT's responses [65a] [65b] to my earlier post [66].
With regards to the post about scapegoating [65b], I will cede this point upon further review. However, this does not have enough of an impact to change my overall opinion as of yet.
In particular, I find BT's flexibility with regards to myself [67] [68] to be of concern. BT mentioned it in an earlier post [63] as well about how he had an initial town read on myself due to some of the posts (citation needed) I made during the first Day Phase.
To me, this behavior that BT shows appears to be a guarantee of sorts so that he can have an easy method of jumping off my wagon if it were to not work out. Combine this with the fact that a large portion of BT's case against me was borrowed from SB and this could be indicative of a history of criminal activity.

The remainder of this post is designed to elucidate my opinions on some of the other events that have occurred within this game.
The first of these events that I will address is the fact that PX made a post with actual opinions [69]. Most of the opinions given within this post [69] are quite reasonable, which leads into my next topic of discussion.

Assuming that Raikaria is not taking refuge in audacity, I find it difficult to convince myself that Raikaria's opinions mirror that of a criminal. I believe Raikaria to be an enthusiastic, if somewhat misguided, player within this game.
I am of the opinion that, were Raikaria to be a criminal, he would be less inclined to continue following through with his flawed line of reasoning when facing the heavy opposition as he is now. Of course, this is simply speculation on my part, but speculation is all I have to work with now.

In addendum, I will make a formal note here that the ActionDan/kinumi slot has contributed nothing towards the continuation of the game state for almost two Day Phases now.
##DeLurk kinumi
Please note that with 8 players in play, as defined by Article 1 [10], it will still take FIVE (5) players to successfully DeLurk someone.



[10] Persons registered for a forum account at the domain "shrinemaiden.org" and its associated domains have the right to become a "Player" in the game "Mafia of the Kaleidoscope" hosted by Bardiche, hereafter referred to as "Moderator." All following articles apply to all persons who have become "Players" in the game, by submitting a registration accepted by the Moderator, unless otherwise determined by the "Role PM", containing all relevant role information.
[30] 6. ##DeLurk: [player] in case someone's been lurking too much. Once ##DeLurk'd by 50%+1 of the living players, a player is up for Mod Kill at the end of the Day Phase. This Mod Kill does not replace the Lynch, and can only be stopped by ##Amnesty by DeLurking players. Example:
[63] Look, I started coming around to the Dormio Lynch when SB mentioned that he's been voting me for 24 hours for pretty assumptuous reasons without updating the vote. Before that point I actually leaned town on the guy.
[64] Read: Will
[65a] I'll answer your request first:
[65b] You got hung up on that post to conjure an entire story about me shifting blame, where that's the only place I did something you could mistake as shifting blame. And mistake you did.
[66] Now that formalities are out of the way, I shall append the following to my post:
[67] The second thing I noticed is the weird back-and-forth on Dormio like he felt like he had to comment on him even though no one else got that wishy washy treatment? It might just be my tunnelvision (it's definitely my tunnelvision) but it makes me think PX is scum with Dormio.
[68] 6,7. My vote is still on PX and honestly I'm not sure I want to switch to Dormio, it's like, I still remember some D1 dormio posts which made me think he's town despite his fiction about me being mafia. I still think PX was conveniently there to lynch the oneshot rolecop (only for a town governor to thwart that). I still want to get to the bottom of this slot. PX it is.
[69] Zakeri's claim, I'm feeling 50/50 about if it's true or not. Zak flipping scum would indict BT but I'm not feeling BT being scum so instead I'll point my vote towards who I think is misleading people the most ##Vote: Raikaria
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 24, 2018, 01:52:31 PM
Acting in accordance with rule 11 [21], this post has been created to append the following image to the prior post as well as wish everyone a merry Christmas:
(https://i.imgur.com/2cTnLob.png)



[21] 11. Don't edit your posts.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 02:48:24 PM
Season's Greetings everyone. Do not forget the true meaning of this holiday.

I decided to look over the documents left by SB; as his soul as ascended with the angels, so see if there were any useful or noteworthy interactions, any sort of information that could be pulled from it and interactions around him.

I'll also include anything interesting concerning BT/Zakeri/Dormio/Polaris from my re-read here, just to save yourselves four different sermons.

1: Actiondan and BT both vote for SB early. However, I believe these votes to both be part of fooling around and getting to know everyone early in the day. BT also unvotes rather swiftly. SB votes for Serela; which is useless information as Serela is Town.

2: Dormio votes BT for his vote on BT (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416758.html#msg1416758). As I previously said; I belive that BT's vote would fall under RVS.

3: BT's post here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416772.html#msg1416772) is interesting because it completely defies my primary focus on BT; that was Late Day 1. Here he actually presses on Zakeri. Notably abscent is any sort of direction at Dormio; despite the man of the Law Books just voting for him. Eventually BT settles on a lynch on Zakeri; for lurker reasons. Dormio's following post is one of the ones which gave me a good impression of him D1.

4: Dormio immediately after pushes on SB.

5: BT immediately after makes accusations of Dormio which were not true. I point this out on Page 114 of the Good Book (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416800.html#msg1416800). I feel this is a misrep attempt on BT from Dormio.

6: SB expresses a sinner-read on PX, for similar reasons for why I disliked PX during Day 1. The fact this opinion is from a confirmed townie; and that the critism towards PX from SB was on a vote for the condemnation of the Townie Serela, dosen't look good in hindsight. 2 Townies [Myself and SB] both picked up on the same thing regarding a vote on a confimed Townie [Serela]. Admittedly I vote for Serela later in Day 1 as well, so PX might just be making a mistake, but that dosen't clear his unhelpfulness. SB also notably predicts PX/Dormio.

7: Dormio attempts to Delurk; which I belive is an anti-town action. He is also still doing this.

8: Dormio's rebuttal to SB's accusation that Dormio isn't making a case Is effectively to say there is no case to be made because PX is a lurker (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416842.html#msg1416842). Just sitting on a lurker lynch isn't really helping.

9: Zakeri expresses a distaste for an SB lynch in 141. In #144 Zakeri is pro-Selela

10: Re-reading I'm at Page 5 and I'm unsure where exactly my Dormio-Polly echoing came from. Polly points out that Dormio has been parked on BT most of the day.

11: Polly basically rages at myself for my completely correct assertion that Actiondan should be receiving a Delurk vote as well as PX. Dormio says my point is valid and Delurks Actiondan. This is a point against an Actiondan/Dormio team and something that may indicate Polaris/Actiondan.

12: BT starts pressureing me in #158 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416870.html#msg1416870) for 'spreading my vote'. Oddly he didn't do this immediately after my voteswitch. BT in #161 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416873.html#msg1416873) seems rather concerning in terms of an appeal to Dormio. BT also starts really pushing for a Zakeri lynch at this point. Interestingly; this is with no major wagon; only with BT;  Serela and Zakeri all at 2 votes. SB also expresses distaste at a Zakeri lynch.

Assumeing BT did not want himself lynched, this means BT was set against a Serela lynch; and Serela is Town.

13: SB is one of the first people to vote Zakeri

14: Dormio responds by voting SB. Notably Dormio has been sitting on BT most of the day but swiftly responds to SB voting Zakeri.

15: Dormio jumps onto BT as soon as Zakeri claims one-shot rolecop.

16: SB states distaste in Dormio's #131, and general posting.

17: BT switches from Zakeri to Dormio based on claim. He makes a specific point of saying
Rolecop, right? So, role, not allegiance.

18: As much as I find Meta-comments distasteful; I cannot deny that they are part of the holy scripture. And BT's 211 is quite an interesting point (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416926.html#msg1416926)

19: BT gets really aggressive towards me for voting Zakeri. Hilariously enough I'd stated BT was my secondary vote.

20: Polaris is pushing Dormio's wagon towards the end. Seriously... where did I get Polaris/Dormio I can't see it now.

21: Dormio refuses to claim point-blank; despite 4-4.

I've already spoken about interactions today.

So; on re-reading Day 1; combined with events today, and combined with information that we did not have yesterday and the holy powers of hindsight, I have come to a new conclusion. While there are certainly misgivings towards other players, based on interactions regarding SB and Serela [Two townies], I must say that Dormio looks significantly more sinful than he did to me yesterday.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


Praise the Lord; and praise be to anyone who suffered through my recap.


Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 02:52:03 PM
2: Dormio votes BT for his vote on BT (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416758.html#msg1416758). As I previously said; I belive that BT's vote would fall under RVS.

Vote on PX; not BT.

Also for those of you who wish for a condensed version of the Bible:

Dormio votes and parks on BT for the majority of D1 for what amounts to RVS

Dormio seems to misrep BT in #108 [I press on this in #114]

Dormio's voteswitch after Zakeri's claim is FAR too fast to actually be in response to Zakeri's claim.

Dormio's generally had negative interactions with SB; who's flipped town.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: kinumi on December 24, 2018, 05:18:10 PM
##unvote ##vote:PX

PX's vote on raikaria feels like it was made to suit the narrative. Post 319  talks about Raikaria having scum intent in the way he talks about his role + his read on Polaris, but there's nothing in that post that suggests that PX thinks that Polaris is town?  It feels like PX focused on scumreading raikaria by arguing semantics about their actions instead of figuring out if rai's case has a lead, which seems very agenda heavy for town. Also, he says that BT is town but never explains it,  isn't that an easy car to fake by the bad guys then, on raikaria?

I don't feel like voting BT because of the supposed slip which doesn't sway me.

I love you all and I hope we get this right today!  I wish conq was here to help me play this game, he's so cute!  ♥️
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 24, 2018, 05:23:57 PM
Christmas Eve be upon us, so I'll end the Day a little late, I expect. Afterwards, Night 2 will be extended so Christmas is spent doing other things than argue with friends on the internet.

Once the timer hits 0, please end play! And sorry folks, I wish I'd had the foresight to come up with a better solution for the Holidays. :s
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: kinumi on December 24, 2018, 05:25:09 PM
Isn't zakeri/PX a possible team?  Why is there more  support for a zakeri/BT team?  And also why is zakeri a bad lynch today? I remember reading SB bring out a zak/PX team towards the end of d1,so maybe he had a lead there.

Haven't read much on dormio but I feel like their cases have given me null vibes the entire time. 

If we can't get anywhere we question more till we get somewhere!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: kinumi on December 24, 2018, 05:27:06 PM
*case to fake, oops
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 06:44:59 PM
Weighing Scale 2.3

PX(4): Polaris Zakeri BT kinumi
BT(2): Serela Dormio
Raikaria(1): PX
Dormio(1): Raikaria

Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20181225T000001&p0=%3A&font=cursive&csz=1)

what are mod duties even
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
soon raikaria's gonna accuse me of being a co-mod the entire time

necrosis
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 06:48:25 PM
I don't like having to wait for the wagon target to show up, if PX turns out to be town this day will (in turn) turn out to be a huge waste of time

@PX: either show up and pour your heart out, or show up and claim

occlusion
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 07:27:41 PM
Oh, it's almost the end of the day. Huh. I'll get on it but first
I am the Helpful Secretary. I am so helpful I am willing to DIE FOR YOU. I throw my body on the line to protect someone every night.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 08:04:34 PM
Don't want to vote for Polly/BT

I ignored Serela, the comments from my previous post were just my day 1 thoughts on Serela since it was asked for

Raikaria isn't going to happen, so going off for now

Kinumi exists

So between Zakeri and Dormio, in the interest of the betterment of town

##Vote: Dormio

Helpful tip: Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 08:05:37 PM
Also rushing this out because I'm doing family things so uhhhh, probably be here but not completely

Helpful Tip: I got nothing, an apple a day means you're eating fruit so uhhh, good nutrition?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 24, 2018, 08:29:21 PM
It's Christmas morning, so why am I here making posts about strangers on the internet? Holiday loading and overtime isn't enough compensation for this.
Given Raikaria's recent posts [70], I shall make a statement saying that it's almost as though people are trying to contradict my statements on purpose.
After I state that I feel that Raikaria seems to carry himself as a righteous man as opposed to a criminal due to his pious fervor [71], of course he dramatically revises his opinions in a way that is completely inconsistent with his prior posts.
I am preparing another post to accompany this one.



[70] So; on re-reading Day 1; combined with events today, and combined with information that we did not have yesterday and the holy powers of hindsight, I have come to a new conclusion. While there are certainly misgivings towards other players, based on interactions regarding SB and Serela [Two townies], I must say that Dormio looks significantly more sinful than he did to me yesterday.
[71] I am of the opinion that, were Raikaria to be a criminal, he would be less inclined to continue following through with his flawed line of reasoning when facing the heavy opposition as he is now.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 08:53:06 PM
Very co-incidental that Dormio's opinion of me should change when I re-read and my opinion of him becomes more negative.

Also convenient PX happens to show up and claim when there are 4 votes on him.

Unfortunately; with tomorrow being the date celebrating the Saviour, I will not be present at the end of the day.

Regardless, I await Dormio's next post. Because I am perfectly happy to condemn PX as well, as a relatively low-risk lynch due to his lack of contribution.

As another alternative, we could opt to No Lynch tonight; get more information via someone flipping, as well as use the extended Holy Night of Celebrations to get all out ideas and thoughts in order.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 08:57:42 PM
Worth noting I am merey putting the option of a No Lynch out there because I'm fairly sure most of us have been fairly busy on this holy day, and have other thoughts than a game of Mafia.

There is also the looming shadow of the fact Zakeri's condemnation was 'postponed' so he might die. I don't know.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:02:09 PM
As another alternative, we could opt to No Lynch tonight; get more information via someone flipping, as well as use the extended Holy Night of Celebrations to get all out ideas and thoughts in order.
Rai. Uh. Did you even stop, to think, about this line? Like what flip are you expecting from the scum night kill that will help us out as opposed to lynching a lurker (at worst) or scum (at best) like did you even stop to think about this? Last day cycle you were crying about how scum will probably nk you for all the target people are painting on your back. what is this even

defibrillator is making a comeback
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:04:06 PM
So between Zakeri and Dormio, in the interest of the betterment of town

##Vote: Dormio
is this really the same guy who decided that zak would get lynched over dormio yesterday

what is even medicine
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 09:05:54 PM
is this really the same guy who decided that zak would get lynched over dormio yesterday

what is even medicine

Okay Dormio is more likely to get lynched over me since he already has 2 votes.

Help. I need somebody.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 09:06:42 PM
Rai. Uh. Did you even stop, to think, about this line? Like what flip are you expecting from the scum night kill that will help us out as opposed to lynching a lurker (at worst) or scum (at best) like did you even stop to think about this? Last day cycle you were crying about how scum will probably nk you for all the target people are painting on your back. what is this even

defibrillator is making a comeback

The same thing I did today. Look back and look at interactions based on SB's flip.

Combined with fear of Zakeri being a delayed lynch, the angels merely waiting. Also the fact we haven't really had much discussion today. Because everyone has been busy.

It's simply the time of the year. I felt like putting the idea out there. If the congregation do not like the idea, then I shall rescind it. I simply felt like putting the motion foward for those reasons. And perhaps a couple of others I wish to keep close to my chest.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:08:42 PM
Okay Dormio is more likely to get lynched over me since he already has 2 votes.

Help. I need somebody.
ok then why not say that in the first place. why lie about "the betterment of the town" or is 'PX living' the betterment of the town because you could have just said that instead, you know, "not me over me"

self-prescribed sleeping pills

The same thing I did today. Look back and look at interactions based on SB's flip.

Combined with fear of Zakeri being a delayed lynch, the angels merely waiting. Also the fact we haven't really had much discussion today. Because everyone has been busy.

It's simply the time of the year. I felt like putting the idea out there. If the congregation do not like the idea, then I shall rescind it. I simply felt like putting the motion foward for those reasons. And perhaps a couple of others I wish to keep close to my chest.
ok fair enough im just cranky
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 09:17:32 PM
Yes, me being alive over being dead because I know I am town. And I don't think a Zak wagon is happening with you and Raikaria absolutely not voting him

Help. Not just anybody
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 09:21:27 PM
Quote
Also convenient PX happens to show up and claim when there are 4 votes on him.

Alright these snide comments are really throwing shade without full pushing forward. Definitely do not like this. Forget it, feels more like trying to direct people to push each other while he can sit back and jump on whoever he wants later.

##Vote: Raikaria
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 09:24:20 PM
tamarillo

^ bt's votecount is fake news because i changed votes to dormio..... bt..... are you TEH SCUMS for manipulating vote perception??????????????????

this is a joke, actual post later
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 09:28:27 PM
black sapote

px who did you throw yourself on the line for?
for whom did you throw yourself on the line to protect?
why does this all sound grammatically wrong
px who did you target
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 09:32:57 PM
Raikaria because he seemed a likely target to get killed n1. Now I'm wishing I didn't but oh well can't help it.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 09:34:35 PM
damson, you really dropped the ball on that one
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 09:36:46 PM
Alright these snide comments are really throwing shade without full pushing forward. Definitely do not like this. Forget it, feels more like trying to direct people to push each other while he can sit back and jump on whoever he wants later.

##Vote: Raikaria

You hide in the shadows for the majority of D1 and D2 and then happen to show up when you're in trouble.

You cannot pretend that is not suspicious PX.

Especially when you're basically resorting to OMGUS.

The main reason I'm not currently voting for you is because you've done so little there's little except inactivity to condemn you, whereas for the reason I stated earlier, I see sinful play in Dormio upon my re-read.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 09:37:44 PM
Well I guess it's not technically OMGUS, because you're not voting me.

Amen to getting words mixed up.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 09:38:51 PM
Well I guess it's not technically OMGUS, because I'm not voting you.

Amen to getting words mixed up.

Fixed it. If the congregation needed further evidence of my sleepiness and inabilty to remain awake until end of day; there it is.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:39:13 PM
You hide in the shadows for the majority of D1 and D2 and then happen to show up when you're in trouble.

You cannot pretend that is not suspicious PX.

Especially when you're basically resorting to OMGUS.

The main reason I'm not currently voting for you is because you've done so little there's little except inactivity to condemn you, whereas for the reason I stated earlier, I see sinful play in Dormio upon my re-read.
1. why cheerlead this wagon and then say youre not joining in
2. im pretty sure the dude was just sleeping untila few hours ago

de-fibrillator
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:39:33 PM
like tell it to us straight med. doc raikaria do you think px should be lynched or not?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:41:15 PM
tamarillo

^ bt's votecount is fake news because i changed votes to dormio..... bt..... are you TEH SCUMS for manipulating vote perception??????????????????

this is a joke, actual post later
i cant wait for your actual post. can you try to sell me on why dormio should be lynched over px?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 09:43:12 PM
damson, you really dropped the ball on that one
i cant believe there's actually a plum called damson

to compensate for the last post, here's a big one:



I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 09:45:49 PM
no because that dormio vote was pre-consolation period and i'll probably switch my vote back to px once i decide if px's claim sounds legitimate or not

because targeting raikaria seems so out there from my current standpoint

chico fruit
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 09:47:09 PM
pre-consolidation* but i could really use some consoling right now

pear
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 24, 2018, 09:49:21 PM
Day 1 was really uninteresting as well as me being busy and tired so I didn't read too much out of the 3 main wagons

Tip: Marth deals more damage with the tip of his sword
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
like tell it to us straight med. doc raikaria do you think px should be lynched or not?

PX is the second most likely to be sinful in my eyes currently.

You slid down my list significantly upon my re-read based upon the testaments of the deceased SB. Dormio rose.

Simply, I would support a PX lynch on the basis of his lack of contribution, but I prioritize the player who I think has some questionable actions/interactions.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 24, 2018, 10:22:04 PM
I would like to announce my intent to go to give my prayers and then rest for the night.

I bid you all a pleasent festivities.

I shall keep my vote upon Dormio since that is where I believe sin is most likely to be found. There appears to be enough people [And the wagon is already majority on PX] that a PX condemnation would occur regardless of me switching, so I shall remain on Dormio in the event the congregation changes it's mind.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 10:29:20 PM
akee

##Unvote
##Vote PX


honestly my head imploded trying to figure out if px's claim is fake or not because his n1 target doesn't make sense to me as either scum or town, which means it's certifiably 100% derp
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 10:43:24 PM
akee

##Unvote
##Vote PX


honestly my head imploded trying to figure out if px's claim is fake or not because his n1 target doesn't make sense to me as either scum or town, which means it's certifiably 100% derp
youre the derp here, if hes scum then hes not a doctor and he made up the target

neutrophil
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 10:46:12 PM
kiss-shot acerola-orion heart-under-blade

yeah but why would any logical scum make up raikaria as an n1 target in d2 when he's voting raikaria? :v is what i meant

obviously there are various derpier explanations
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 10:53:58 PM
acerola pt. 2

i guess technically he DID state in d1 that he had "no real reason to hang Raikaria"

actually i can kind of see this coming together from a scum point of view
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 11:13:25 PM
it's more like, he can't say that he doctored sb (hey!! medical terminology) because obviously that wouldn't have worked out, and who else is there?

i guess there's you

... want a hug?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 11:17:22 PM
elderberry

lol dw, i meant that i need consolation in the sense that mafia sux
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 24, 2018, 11:35:12 PM
So, where do we even begin with this post. Let's try the beginning.
During the relatively early portions of the first Day Phase, Raikaria's votes and reasoning [72] are uninspiring.

Moving onto what I would consider to be Raikaria's first real vote [73a], it's a vote on PX for being unhelpful. Boring. However, the earlier statement in this post regarding ActionDan is far more interesting.
Early into the first Day Phase, Raikaria placed a vote on ActionDan [72] for having only one vote. However, in Raikaria's first real post [73b], he absolves ActionDan of all guilt despite the fact that ActionDan did not address anything about SB, PX, or Zakeri in his post [74].
Given that the crux of Raikaria's earlier argument against ActionDan [72] revolved around ActionDan not applying the same logic towards SB, PX, and Zakeri as opposed to BT, I find it strange that Raikaria's opinion on ActionDan changed so significantly when he did not address any of these issues.

Now, for a significant portion of the first Day Phase, Raikaria's vote remains on PX. This only changes near the end of the day when he changes his vote to Serela [75a]. And if we look at the reasoning he provides for voting Serela at the time, we can see the following statement [75b]. To apply the same logic that Raikaria used against ActionDan much earlier in the day [72], why was Serela the only one to be guilty of not being proactive as opposed to the myriad of lurkers at the time?
In addition to this, he makes mention of SB in this post [75c] as well. I find this statement to be quite contradictory. Whilst Raikaria says that he disagrees with all of SB's statements, going so far as to call them "wild accusations", he states that he still feels that SB is not a sinner and is instead diligent. I propose the following idea in response to this: Is this not a neutral statement that would allow Raikaria flexibility in attempting to determine SB's criminal record?
To quote Raikaria's more recent post [70]: based on interactions regarding SB and Serela [Two townies], I must say that Raikaria flexibility in attempting to determine SB's criminal record?

After this follows the DeLurk shenanigans [40] [41] [42] [44] which I don't intend on revisiting too deeply, outside of the fact that I think Raikaria's arguments regarding DeLurking are asinine.
What I will mention though is that Raikaria follows up these DeLurk shenanigans with a lurker vote on ActionDan [76], which means that Raikaria would rather have us use lynches to remove lurkers from the game as opposed to the tools provided by the moderator. This emphasis on using our lynches on players that we do not believe to have the highest probability of being criminal scum is a topic that I will revisit later in this post.

Now, the remainder of the first Day Phase with regards to Raikaria is largely uninteresting as it is him voting for Zakeri as he believes it is the more likely wagon to reveal a criminal [77].
Let us then move on the Raikaria's activity thus far during the current Day Phase.

As I mentioned in my earlier post [78], the only reason I was of the belief that Raikaria was not a criminal in disguise is due to the fact that he held his beliefs with such conviction.
Now, let us look at Raikaria's first post of the second Day Phase [79]. He ends up voting BT based on shaky reasoning. He continues to vote for BT during the day [80] for various reasons.
This is fine, this aligns with my reasoning so as to why I believed Raikaria to not be a criminal.
However, if we look at the point in time during which Raikaria changes his mind regarding myself, you will notice that, despite having voted for BT for a majority of the second Day Phase, he completely reverses his opinion regarding BT with no reasoning given for this whatsoever. This is similar in behavior to what Raikaria did with ActionDan earlier during the first Day Phase [73b]. To be honest, I had forgotten about the events with ActionDan and this is what began undermining my reasoning for believing that Raikaria was not a criminal. It is difficult to be filled with righteous convictions if your beliefs are inconsistent and susceptible to rapid change.

Following up on what I mentioned earlier about emphasizing using our lynches on players that we do not believe have the highest probability of being criminal scum, I shall state that I find it of interest that Raikaria spent a majority of the first Day Phase voting for Serela based on the reasoning that he was not contributing to the thread. During the wagon consolidation phase Raikaria was trying to sway players, as defined by Article 1 [10], to vote for a lurker after stating his distaste of the DeLurk mechanic. During the current Day Phase, Raikaria is trying to gauge interest in a motion for no lynch[81] [82].

In addendum, in response to the following statement by Raikaria [83], I shall say the following:
Don't think so highly of yourself, pumpkin.



[10] Persons registered for a forum account at the domain "shrinemaiden.org" and its associated domains have the right to become a "Player" in the game "Mafia of the Kaleidoscope" hosted by Bardiche, hereafter referred to as "Moderator." All following articles apply to all persons who have become "Players" in the game, by submitting a registration accepted by the Moderator, unless otherwise determined by the "Role PM", containing all relevant role information.
[40] Delurk is anti-town. Especially when the odds that it hits scum is only 22%. The only situation where I would support such an action is if we couple it with the Holy Night; also known as ##NoLynch. Potentially lynching a member of this Holy Congregation; having the Angels smite a second and then the Sinful kill a Third puts us 2/6 on Day 2.
[41] Delurk is a hideously anti-town motion when there is only a 22% chance it hits scum currently.
[42] I had managed to identify that Delurk was anti-town and should not be used.
[44] And yet, despite both of you acknowledging that Delurk at least potentially is anti-town, and PX has stated he is working on something, neither of you have given Amnesty yet.
[70] So; on re-reading Day 1; combined with events today, and combined with information that we did not have yesterday and the holy powers of hindsight, I have come to a new conclusion. While there are certainly misgivings towards other players, based on interactions regarding SB and Serela [Two townies], I must say that Dormio looks significantly more sinful than he did to me yesterday.
[72] Seems a little strange to judge only one neighbour, and not all thy neighbors being treated the same as thou would wish to be treated. ##:Unvote ##Vote: ActionDan
[73a] Lurking in the shadows because you have nothing to say is one thing. Actively spouting unhelpful nonsense is quite another. ##Unvote ## Vote: PX
[73b] ActionDan's confessions to me appear to be in order
[74] In my best attempt to answer the inquisitive Raikaria, I was not seeing much alignment indicative behavior at the time of my last post aside from a passing thought that polly-kun's first post had a town ring to it. I do disagree with his reservations about the impressive lawyerly ways of our Dormio. I haven't processed what may be sufficient content to get a read (or better read as the case may be) on BT/Serela/Polly/Dormio from these last couple pages just yet?but I will come back and do so. Let's all do our very best to find the scum; I know we can do it!
[75a] Unlike the other inactive players, who are merely guilty of Sloth, Serela is currently guilty of Wrath and Sloth. And as such, I feel it is time to change the candidate of condemnation. ##Unvote ##Vote: Serela
[75b] As Serela withdraws into the shadows; the topic having shifted away from him, my suspicion grows. The aformentioned confession from Polaris niggles in the back of my mind. What have you done except respond, my child? Looking back, I see nothing... proactive. While the Good Book does say let he without sin throw the first stone, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And the little would-be waffle seems to only be returning ocular blows.
[75c] 7: SB - I'm unsure what to make of his recent Dormio vote. 'Half-Fine' seems superior to unhelpful or nothing at all. Also; while I agree with his suspicion on PX, I fail to see where the idea of PX/Dormio specifically as a scumteam comes from. Is it not too soon to be throwing around such wild accusations? Especially when one half of this combination has hardly done anything as of yet? Still; a lack of me agreeing on all points does not mean judgement of sin. Being wrong is not a sin. If anything, it shows a virtue of Diligence.
[76] So; for the time being, I shall pass judgement upon the other major lurker, in a manner that does not potentially condemn the righteous to a Day 2 MYLO. This is far from a final vote, as I have previously stated, my confessional booth is open all day. ##: Unvote ##Vote: ActionDan
[77] Late night typing in a hurry. I rate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.
[78] Assuming that Raikaria is not taking refuge in audacity, I find it difficult to convince myself that Raikaria's opinions mirror that of a criminal. I believe Raikaria to be an enthusiastic, if somewhat misguided, player within this game.
I am of the opinion that, were Raikaria to be a criminal, he would be less inclined to continue following through with his flawed line of reasoning when facing the heavy opposition as he is now. Of course, this is simply speculation on my part, but speculation is all I have to work with now.
[79] BT frankly dosen't seem to be scumhunting much either; just parking on a D1 lurker. ##Vote: BT
[80] Also the fact BT is not listening to the congregation further supports the concept that he is not looking for sin.
[81] As another alternative, we could opt to No Lynch tonight; get more information via someone flipping, as well as use the extended Holy Night of Celebrations to get all out ideas and thoughts in order.
[82] Worth noting I am merey putting the option of a No Lynch out there because I'm fairly sure most of us have been fairly busy on this holy day, and have other thoughts than a game of Mafia.
[83] Very co-incidental that Dormio's opinion of me should change when I re-read and my opinion of him becomes more negative.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 24, 2018, 11:36:26 PM
Fun fact: I accidentally deleted my post while I was typing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvH7syfkWD8)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 24, 2018, 11:41:28 PM
dead man's fingers

dormio that's all fine and dandy (i didn't actually read this i just skimmed it) but aren't we nearing deadline? do you have an opinion on, like, the main wagon (PX)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 11:46:49 PM
Weighing Scale 2.4

PX(4): Polaris Zakeri BT kinumi
BT(2): Serela Dormio
Raikaria(1): PX
Dormio(1): Raikaria

Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20181225T000001&p0=%3A&font=cursive&csz=1)

13 minutes left hemosiderin
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 24, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
Fun fact: I accidentally deleted my post while I was typing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvH7syfkWD8)
do you just use screencap constantly? what a life

infarction
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 24, 2018, 11:57:23 PM
This post is a response to Polaris' post [84] and BT's post [85].
Acting in accordance with Article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been removed.
##Vote: PX
Whilst PX has provided some content today, ultimately I feel that this lynch would still amount to a lurker lynch. I do not take claims into consideration.
I would prefer to DeLurk PX instead, but alas.

In response to BT's question, I present the following question in response:
What is life without proper evidence and documentation?



[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[84] dormio that's all fine and dandy (i didn't actually read this i just skimmed it) but aren't we nearing deadline? do you have an opinion on, like, the main wagon (PX)
[85] do you just use screencap constantly? what a life
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 26, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
That was certainly a Christmas, ha ha...

Character Sheet
Name: Air Miles
Cause of Death: Suicide
Goodness Reason: Pious soul always ready to help others



Actually, you've always used others. Helping them was just an unfortunate side-effect of furthering your own goals in life. But hey, if the Angels think it's good enough for Heaven, who are you to argue?

You didn't die alone: you shot your best friend before you took the gun to yourself. Your best friend's here, too, but he doesn't remember you shooting him. He's determined to help you, so make good use of him while you try to eliminate the real scum in your midst.

Which isn't you.

Powers:
Secretary: You're a secretary. Everyone must believe you are a secretary. A helpful one, at that. Always offer helpful advice, even to people who don't want or need any: if your every post doesn't contain some helpful advice, or a helpful offer, or a benign gesture, the Angels might catch on to you not being as helpful as they thought. One misstep doesn't mean the noose, just don't push it. A simple, "here you go" goes a long way.
Die For Me: During the Night, you can direct your Best Friend to ##PROTECT a target. Your Best Friend will then shadow said person, and they will be bulletproof until the start of the next Night Phase. Should an attempt be made on the target in spite of that, your Best Friend will die instead. Afterwards, you lose this ability. It's possible to send your Best Friend to protect yourself.

Win Condition:
Remain in Heaven and weed out the real Scum.

Good luck.

Congratulations, you lynched the Doc! PX was Town!

About 1 day to send in Night Actions (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/party?iso=20181227T16&p0=%3A&font=cursive&csz=1).
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 26, 2018, 05:44:04 PM
End of Day 2 Votecount


PX(5): Polaris Zakeri BT kinumi, Dormio
BT(2): Serela
Raikaria(1): PX
Dormio(1): Raikaria
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 26, 2018, 11:08:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pzf6SJ4.png)
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 27, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
Ah shoot, due to mod error I'll have to end the game. I made a mistake that leads to an irreparable game state.

GG Bard sucks.
Everyone wims except Bard.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 27, 2018, 04:41:05 PM
Did you tell a townie who the scum are by accident?

Anyways RIP

BUT WHO WAS MAFIA
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: PX on December 27, 2018, 04:58:52 PM
RIP in pieces
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 27, 2018, 06:50:57 PM
That's rather anticlimactic.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 27, 2018, 06:57:55 PM
yay i'm free
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 27, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
Did you tell a townie who the scum are by accident?

Anyways RIP

BUT WHO WAS MAFIA

I gave the Watcher a role result even though he was Roleblocked. The Watcher correctly watched Scum.

So either the Scum RB had to mysteriously fail, or the Watcher had mysteriously obtained a result he should not have had.

Thus.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: WHMZakeri on December 27, 2018, 07:32:18 PM
lol

pretty sure BT was mafia after thinking about it overnight.

The rolecop was just a bonus action for me, my real role was tracker. The Rolecop I got on BT though was for a watcher/tracker combo, which I thought was weird but passed it up for some reason.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 27, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
You're a tracker rolecop and copped a trackerwatcher and TOLD EVERYONE HE'S PROBABLY TOWN oh my god zak you're fired
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Polaris on December 27, 2018, 07:40:55 PM
this is weird because i am also a tracker???
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 27, 2018, 07:41:39 PM
I stopped the lynch on Zakeri D1, by the way. I thought you guys might like to know that.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Serela on December 27, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
Is everyone a tracker???

ok who was the scumt hough
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Conqueror on December 27, 2018, 08:35:55 PM
I was the hidden mafia, was watched going on the kill by accident.
good game folks
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 27, 2018, 09:00:46 PM
https://pastebin.com/LdDAgwhy
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 27, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
[1] 3. Every first post must contain a ##VOTE: on a living player.
[2] 10. Addendum to above: during the Night, everyone may post once in the thread, so long as it is not relevant to the game. Post your memes, post your jokes. Dead players cannot post though because the dead are truly dead.
[3] 12. Don't post your role PMs, or quote the Mod. Exception Clause: you can quote the Mod if he posted in the thread. Any private information is private, confidential and scandalous.
[4] I think the best way to vote is to vote on a separate line, as to be clear and visible; You're all so capable let's get it right!
[5] I, therefore, make a formal request to the moderator of this game to create an additional rule to the game specifying which players are allowed to post within this thread. I know that, in accordance with the rules, anyone that has not died may make a single post during the night phases [2] and we are not allowed to make posts quoting private conversations with the moderator [3] but there are no clear statements regarding who is allowed to post in the game during the day.
[6] I'm a rogue. Wanna see what I can do to you with a tongue depresser? Because that's what you're gonna get for being third on the wagon.
[7] In addition to my prior request to the moderator [5], I request that BT also provide a response regarding his post [6]. I wish for clarification on whether the referred post [6] is one that you have submitted as a serious vote or if you wish to waive that vote by quoting rule 3 [1].
[8] Your posting style is driving me coco-nuts but I'll leave my vote on Dormio for the time being because using your vote sparingly??? in early day 1???? puh-leeze
[9a] Now, with my introduction out of the way, and in accordance with Rule Number 3 [1], I shall open my post with a ##Vote: Serela.
[9b] I also ##Vote:Dormio for immense drudgery, I forgot how wonderful you are!
[10] Persons registered for a forum account at the domain "shrinemaiden.org" and its associated domains have the right to become a "Player" in the game "Mafia of the Kaleidoscope" hosted by Bardiche, hereafter referred to as "Moderator." All following articles apply to all persons who have become "Players" in the game, by submitting a registration accepted by the Moderator, unless otherwise determined by the "Role PM", containing all relevant role information.
[11] Every Player has the right to submit a post on the message board hosted at "shrinemaiden.org", in the topic numbered 21626, otherwise known as the "game thread." Such posts may only be made during the 48 hours referred to as "Day Phase" per the rules submitted by the Moderator. Exceptions apply only if and in case of such clauses being made available in the "Rules." If not otherwise determined, this article automatically applies.
[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[13] Actually, seriously, why is this? BT just threw a fourth vote on me with nothing more than "let's see what this does!" He had more of a reason to vote Polly but he didn't feel like it, so he jumped on the big fat bandwagon literally Just Because! Hmmmmm...
[14] As someone has said to me at confessionals before, one would have to be a fool to panic about being at L-1 so early into D1. A scum quickhammer would basically be throwing the game away for them.
[15] W-wait, how did I suddenly end up at majority minus one?
[16] 5. Town is NOT required to reach a majority to Lynch. At the end of the Day, all votes are tallied and whoever has the most votes will be killed! There is no "hammer" vote, i.e. the Day will not end due to having a majority of votes on someone.
[17] Raikaria looks 100% fine, Zak's posts are kind of bare which isn't great but unlike px/bt I don't think his vote looks actively scummy, so he could still go either way, solidly neutral/not enough to form a read. Confirming to your demands makes me such a good person!
[18a] In addition to my prior request to the moderator [5], I request that BT also provide a response regarding his post [6]. I wish for clarification on whether the referred post [6] is one that you have submitted as a serious vote or if you wish to waive that vote by quoting rule 3 [1].
[18b] Sure it was.
[19] Let's see what this pill does.
[20] Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead! (...) Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
[21] 11. Don't edit your posts.
[22]Following my previous line of questioning towards BT [18a] [18b], his vote on SB [6] seems quite lazy to me. His followup vote on Serela [19] further builds this sentiment that BT is not actively attempting to find the traitors in our midst that would prefer to live in a world without rules to govern our behaviors and instead looking for easy targets for the lynch. PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
[23a] So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?
[23b] I'm voting Zak because it seemed like he disliked the Serela wagon (and the late joiners on it) because of vote tallies (hence his vote) but then he figured out vote tallies don't matter as much as they usually do and then proceeded to do fuck all and leave.
[24a] Oh the other hand, subterfuge and timewasteing are not appreciated in the confessional booth. We should be attempting to help each other root out the sin. Not posting meaningless prattle halfway through this first most Holy Day. Lurking in the shadows because you have nothing to say is one thing. Actively spouting unhelpful nonsense is quite another
[24b] While I would like a more... explanatory explanation from Zakeri, I must confess myself that BT is suspct of sin for the same reason as PX according to the Good Book. My decision to vote for the latter was merely spurred by recency. PX's nonsense occurred later into play than BT's.
[25] I dislike PX for the same reason as not liking BT! PX's is objectively worse but w/e I don't like either of them!
[26] PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
[27] well that didn't really help. where's serious bananas
[28] And here you can see the Serela, flailing around in its natural habitat. Unlike most animals, the Serela holds the unique prestige of being neither a Carnivore, Herbivore or Omnivore. Instead, the species sustains itself with references to Captain Planet and eating four crayons a day (but not purple ones, they don't digest as well as the others).
[29] Please keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times, BT.
[30] 6. ##DeLurk: [player] in case someone's been lurking too much. Once ##DeLurk'd by 50%+1 of the living players, a player is up for Mod Kill at the end of the Day Phase. This Mod Kill does not replace the Lynch, and can only be stopped by ##Amnesty by DeLurking players. Example:
[31] Also his PX scumread could kind of universally apply to any lurker and isn't very committal anyway.
[32] My initial misread involved thinking that Dormio had three scumreads because the first time I skimmed his post I thought he was also scumreading me (helped by the fact that he mentioned me later on). I didn't feel like he was actually pushing PX very hard, but he singled him out over Zak and based on my other reads (knowing I'm town, townreading BT) it felt like the PX read was just there as a distancing thing because I felt like it was unlikely that Dormio pushed 3 townies, and also it kind of added up because I scumread both of them individually.
[33] PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
[34] Secondly with regards to PX as others, including myself, have already mentioned [23a] [24a] [24b] [25] [26] PX's conduct has been less than what most would deem satisfactory. I, therefore, submit a formal request to PX that he provide clarification with regards to his actions lest he face charges of criminal negligence.
[35] Given that it has been approximately 26 hours since PX's latest post [20], I motion to make use of rule 6 [30] and shall ##DeLurk: PX.
[36] I voted Serela because having more votes on the same person is better than spreading them around because you turn them into an issue. I was kind of hoping that someone would put Serela down to L-1 because it was definitely going to force someone to form a real stance, but saying it out loud kind of diminishes the effect.
[37] It felt like he tried too hard to justify keeping his vote after BT provided more content. I think Dormio was worried about changing his vote because he didn't have a good way off the wagon and he would caught out for doing it.
[38] The first thing that I intend to address here is SB's posts [31] [32] regarding myself and my supposed scumreads on himself and PX.
[39] he second item on the agenda that I intend to address this session is an update to my thoughts with regard to SB given that he has recently submitted further evidence for review [36] [37].
[40] Delurk is anti-town. Especially when the odds that it hits scum is only 22%. The only situation where I would support such an action is if we couple it with the Holy Night; also known as ##NoLynch. Potentially lynching a member of this Holy Congregation; having the Angels smite a second and then the Sinful kill a Third puts us 2/6 on Day 2.
[41] Delurk is a hideously anti-town motion when there is only a 22% chance it hits scum currently.
[42] I had managed to identify that Delurk was anti-town and should not be used.
[43] And both you and Polaris have completely ignored my point that ActionDan is equally guilty of lurking in the shadows as PX is. What is it that makes PX worse than ActionDan? I myself have stated such [I found PX's 'let's see who's paying attention' post anti-town as is was little but fluff and distraction], but I see no such reasoning on your end.
[44] And yet, despite both of you acknowledging that Delurk at least potentially is anti-town, and PX has stated he is working on something, neither of you have given Amnesty yet.
[45] Ayy, Dormio, who would you consolidate on if my wagon doesn't diffuse-panbronchiolitis out?
[46] Dormio, Zakeri, Serela, BT
[47] Weighing Scale 1.1
[48] Dormio; what is it that makes you now not support a Serela lynch in any way? Everything I have seen you say regarding Serela has been neutral to negative. You seem to just give him a pass for his suspicious actions and lack of scumhunting due to 'stupidity and negligence'.
[49] Sure, but can you tell the good neurosurgeon why, or why not others?
[50] Fun fact: if we use delurk two days in a row, it's like we get an extra mislynch.
[51] 7/2, if we mislynch 3 times we lose.
[52] Pedit: I don't get your point at all.
[53] Dormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue.
[54] That assumes that the DeLurk will never be used to take down a criminal. The fact that you make this assumption without even considering that possibility causes myself to infer that you have access to knowledge that I do not.
[55] Following my previous line of questioning towards BT [18a] [18b], his vote on SB [6] seems quite lazy to me. His followup vote on Serela [19] further builds this sentiment that BT is not actively attempting to find the traitors in our midst that would prefer to live in a world without rules to govern our behaviors and instead looking for easy targets for the lynch.
[56] The first statement that I wish to address is BT's initial argument against Zakeri [23a]. What I find interesting about the argument presented within this post [23] is that he argues with the people attacking him by stating that WHMZakeri is guilty of the same crimes that he has committed and appears to be affected more by the fact that WHMZakeri is not being prosecuted for committing the same crimes as himself rather than the fact that he has been accused of a crime himself.
[57] When I reread, BT's Dormio suspicion is LITERALLY JUST SHEEPING. Other than prodding when Dormio dropped his dumb SB vote to retake the BT vote he'd used most of the day, but that's just easy pickings. BT's d1 is actually worse than I thought it was, on reread. It really just looks like him going, Oh Hey, People Suspect Dormio, Let's Quickwagon Him Now That Zak Claimed.
[58] I'd add on the topic of Dormio but I agree with what SB's saying and can't think of anything else that looked weird. I mean, I have my doubts too, 'cause I remember posts that made me think town pro-activity, but I know Dormio's capable of that. Muu. Amaurosis fugax.
[59] Why not Dormio. Salpingoophorectomy.
[60] OK but at least Zak claimed. Hello.
[61] Last chance for any of you stragglers to switch to Dormio. I'm pretty certain that Zak is town at this point. Blood infusion.
[62] I'm going to parrot the mentally deceased guy's argument here - Dormio's cases have been cherrypicked, his engagement is unhelpful, and I'll add that he wasn't helpful towards deadline, didn't budge about Zakeri's claim, declined to claim himself, and hasn't posted even a good morning post so far.
[63] Look, I started coming around to the Dormio Lynch when SB mentioned that he's been voting me for 24 hours for pretty assumptuous reasons without updating the vote. Before that point I actually leaned town on the guy.
[64] Read: Will
[65a] I'll answer your request first:
[65b] You got hung up on that post to conjure an entire story about me shifting blame, where that's the only place I did something you could mistake as shifting blame. And mistake you did.
[66] Now that formalities are out of the way, I shall append the following to my post:
[67] The second thing I noticed is the weird back-and-forth on Dormio like he felt like he had to comment on him even though no one else got that wishy washy treatment? It might just be my tunnelvision (it's definitely my tunnelvision) but it makes me think PX is scum with Dormio.
[68] 6,7. My vote is still on PX and honestly I'm not sure I want to switch to Dormio, it's like, I still remember some D1 dormio posts which made me think he's town despite his fiction about me being mafia. I still think PX was conveniently there to lynch the oneshot rolecop (only for a town governor to thwart that). I still want to get to the bottom of this slot. PX it is.
[69] Zakeri's claim, I'm feeling 50/50 about if it's true or not. Zak flipping scum would indict BT but I'm not feeling BT being scum so instead I'll point my vote towards who I think is misleading people the most ##Vote: Raikaria
[70] So; on re-reading Day 1; combined with events today, and combined with information that we did not have yesterday and the holy powers of hindsight, I have come to a new conclusion. While there are certainly misgivings towards other players, based on interactions regarding SB and Serela [Two townies], I must say that Dormio looks significantly more sinful than he did to me yesterday.
[71] I am of the opinion that, were Raikaria to be a criminal, he would be less inclined to continue following through with his flawed line of reasoning when facing the heavy opposition as he is now.
[72] Seems a little strange to judge only one neighbour, and not all thy neighbors being treated the same as thou would wish to be treated. ##:Unvote ##Vote: ActionDan
[73a] Lurking in the shadows because you have nothing to say is one thing. Actively spouting unhelpful nonsense is quite another. ##Unvote ## Vote: PX
[73b] ActionDan's confessions to me appear to be in order
[74] In my best attempt to answer the inquisitive Raikaria, I was not seeing much alignment indicative behavior at the time of my last post aside from a passing thought that polly-kun's first post had a town ring to it. I do disagree with his reservations about the impressive lawyerly ways of our Dormio. I haven't processed what may be sufficient content to get a read (or better read as the case may be) on BT/Serela/Polly/Dormio from these last couple pages just yet?but I will come back and do so. Let's all do our very best to find the scum; I know we can do it!
[75a] Unlike the other inactive players, who are merely guilty of Sloth, Serela is currently guilty of Wrath and Sloth. And as such, I feel it is time to change the candidate of condemnation. ##Unvote ##Vote: Serela
[75b] As Serela withdraws into the shadows; the topic having shifted away from him, my suspicion grows. The aformentioned confession from Polaris niggles in the back of my mind. What have you done except respond, my child? Looking back, I see nothing... proactive. While the Good Book does say let he without sin throw the first stone, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And the little would-be waffle seems to only be returning ocular blows.
[75c] 7: SB - I'm unsure what to make of his recent Dormio vote. 'Half-Fine' seems superior to unhelpful or nothing at all. Also; while I agree with his suspicion on PX, I fail to see where the idea of PX/Dormio specifically as a scumteam comes from. Is it not too soon to be throwing around such wild accusations? Especially when one half of this combination has hardly done anything as of yet? Still; a lack of me agreeing on all points does not mean judgement of sin. Being wrong is not a sin. If anything, it shows a virtue of Diligence.
[76] So; for the time being, I shall pass judgement upon the other major lurker, in a manner that does not potentially condemn the righteous to a Day 2 MYLO. This is far from a final vote, as I have previously stated, my confessional booth is open all day. ##: Unvote ##Vote: ActionDan
[77] Late night typing in a hurry. I rate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.
[78] Assuming that Raikaria is not taking refuge in audacity, I find it difficult to convince myself that Raikaria's opinions mirror that of a criminal. I believe Raikaria to be an enthusiastic, if somewhat misguided, player within this game.
I am of the opinion that, were Raikaria to be a criminal, he would be less inclined to continue following through with his flawed line of reasoning when facing the heavy opposition as he is now. Of course, this is simply speculation on my part, but speculation is all I have to work with now.
[79] BT frankly dosen't seem to be scumhunting much either; just parking on a D1 lurker. ##Vote: BT
[80] Also the fact BT is not listening to the congregation further supports the concept that he is not looking for sin.
[81] As another alternative, we could opt to No Lynch tonight; get more information via someone flipping, as well as use the extended Holy Night of Celebrations to get all out ideas and thoughts in order.
[82] Worth noting I am merey putting the option of a No Lynch out there because I'm fairly sure most of us have been fairly busy on this holy day, and have other thoughts than a game of Mafia.
[83] Very co-incidental that Dormio's opinion of me should change when I re-read and my opinion of him becomes more negative.
[84] dormio that's all fine and dandy (i didn't actually read this i just skimmed it) but aren't we nearing deadline? do you have an opinion on, like, the main wagon (PX)
[85] do you just use screencap constantly? what a life
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: BT on December 27, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
CHRISTMAS STATUS: SAVED
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 27, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
What a way for it to end!

But seriously? Who was the scums? I want to know if I was right.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Bardiche on December 27, 2018, 10:47:42 PM
ROLES:
Scum:
Polaris: Scum roleblocker, initially had a fakeclaim built in as anti-roleblocker. Removed it for being too bastard.
Dormio: Scum filibuster, original role. Had the power to stop a lynch once during the game, then at a later time lynch the target immediately. Effectively a Dayvig whose target was picked by Town.

Town:
BT: Watcher. Would learn the identity of all visitors to the target, additionally knows if the target performed an action that night. Initially became Immune whenever he acted. This was the source of mod error: I gave BT the results of his action when he should've been roleblocked. If he wasn't roleblocked Night 1, would've caught scum in the kill.
Serela: Innocent Votecleaner. Had the power to be declared innocent and get all votes cleared off him. Was the last role to be added.
Kinimu: Journalist. Could write a note every day, then deliver it at Night. On death, reveals contents of last note written. Role was never used even once. Initially was able to broadcast a message to everyone who did not perform a Night action, but was deemed too strong.
WHMZakeri: Rolecop/Checker. On Day 1, could rolecop a single target. On Day 2 onwards, could check whether someone performed a Night action the previous night. Was designed to clear bullshit claims of "I didn't act." or confirm claims.
Raikaria: Neighbouriser. Could form a Neighbourhood with someone. On dying, his remaining Neighbour would've had a one-shot Dayvig. Sadly, it wound up going to Scum. Initially, Raikaria would've gotten the Dayvig if his buddied died, too.
PX: Doc. Protects someone during the Day and Night, but became Vanilla if his ability was used up.
SB: Backup. As posted, would inherit a Townie's powers. Just in case Zakeri, BT or PX died early without using their power. Since he inherits the power as-is, would've regained any one-time use abilities as well. In this way, he could've created a second Neighbourhood, potentially. I didn't think that one through.
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: O4rfish on December 27, 2018, 10:48:27 PM
I was all "BT is acting scummy, but he's putting in a lot more effort this game, which he wouldn't do as scum ... ?\_(ツ)_/?"

I also was thinking a refusal to be Neighborly was anti-town.  Is that true in general?
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Raikaria on December 27, 2018, 11:23:30 PM
ROLES:
Scum:
Polaris: Scum roleblocker, initially had a fakeclaim built in as anti-roleblocker. Removed it for being too bastard.
Dormio: Scum filibuster, original role. Had the power to stop a lynch once during the game, then at a later time lynch the target immediately. Effectively a Dayvig whose target was picked by Town.


Town:
BT: Watcher. Would learn the identity of all visitors to the target, additionally knows if the target performed an action that night. Initially became Immune whenever he acted. This was the source of mod error: I gave BT the results of his action when he should've been roleblocked. If he wasn't roleblocked Night 1, would've caught scum in the kill.
Serela: Innocent Votecleaner. Had the power to be declared innocent and get all votes cleared off him. Was the last role to be added.
Kinimu: Journalist. Could write a note every day, then deliver it at Night. On death, reveals contents of last note written. Role was never used even once. Initially was able to broadcast a message to everyone who did not perform a Night action, but was deemed too strong.
WHMZakeri: Rolecop/Checker. On Day 1, could rolecop a single target. On Day 2 onwards, could check whether someone performed a Night action the previous night. Was designed to clear bullshit claims of "I didn't act." or confirm claims.
Raikaria: Neighbouriser. Could form a Neighbourhood with someone. On dying, his remaining Neighbour would've had a one-shot Dayvig. Sadly, it wound up going to Scum. Initially, Raikaria would've gotten the Dayvig if his buddied died, too.
PX: Doc. Protects someone during the Day and Night, but became Vanilla if his ability was used up.
SB: Backup. As posted, would inherit a Townie's powers. Just in case Zakeri, BT or PX died early without using their power. Since he inherits the power as-is, would've regained any one-time use abilities as well. In this way, he could've created a second Neighbourhood, potentially. I didn't think that one through.

Oh; so my D1 Polly/Dormio guess and my D2 pushing on Dormio was right? And I'll admit; I was suspect of Polly even D2 based on his reaction to me neighbourhood. [He was #3 scumread]

I was right! #Delurk clearly was anti-town!

I kinda wanna see the scumchat when I had my D1 Delurk read...

Hell; I was right about Zakeri's lynch being delayed!
Title: Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 28, 2018, 08:41:01 AM
I'll repeat what I said in thread but DeLurk is a useful mechanic to get rid of people who aren't contributing to the game.
Having to waste a lynch on lurkers is terrible and, to be honest, I just hate lurkers in general.
You could make the argument that trying to waste a lynch, which is the only real tool that town have to remove mafia from the game, on a lurker is far more anti-town than DeLurk.

Also, neither of us cared about the DeLurk read because it's not anything that a sane person would get a "read" off.