Shadoweh has been inactive since Day 2. On Day 7, ActionDan, BBM, Shadoweh and Bardiche are the only players alive. Bardiche, that cunningly handsome scum, ##DeLurks Shadoweh. ActionDan and BBM agree, and Shadoweh is at the DeLurk threshold. Alarmed, Shadoweh makes a post saying she still exists. At the end of the Day, Shadoweh is still lynched.
Zakeri started lurking on Day 1. On Day 3, a council of Serela, Refa, BT and Dorian decide to DeLurk Zakeri. Zakeri, alarmed, decides to contribute to the thread, at which point Refa and Serela grant ##Amnesty. Zakeri is not Mod Killed at the end of the Day Phase.
omg yes I want hw in the game
if that means we need an 11th for setup purposes I will freaking get one
I was just going to sign up because I thought you guys needed the players. I'll sit out but maybe join the next one if this one goes well
oh no you might misseSd1
the horror.
Honestly, I wanna refine this setup a bit longer so I hope everyone's still good to go coming Friday, which gives me time to ensure the game isn't wacky out-of-balance.the secret is he meant the friday after that
FRIENDLY NOTE:I am exercising my mod-given right to quote the mod, because of course, I am great and ALWAYS follow EVERY rule! I also ##Vote:Dormio for immense drudgery, I forgot how wonderful you are! If I am ever in a hopeless situation and need a lawyer to find the most ridiculous loophole I shall find you immediately!
Everyone has a post restriction and breaking it once or twice won't result in a mod kill. But please play according to your post restriction because it's fun! \o/
Conversely, I'd love to encourage your use of tongue BT. Let's practice together, I'm sure we'll be experts in no time!
I think the best way to vote is to vote on a separate line, as to be clear and visible; You're all so capable let's get it right!
Conversely, I'd love to encourage your use of tongue BT. Let's practice together, I'm sure we'll be experts in no time!(https://i.imgur.com/Q64gLJt.jpg)
Can I get an Amen to that first line?(https://i.imgur.com/HGUfE7V.jpg)
In addition to my prior request to the moderator [5], I request that BT also provide a response regarding his post [6]. I wish for clarification on whether the referred post [6] is one that you have submitted as a serious vote or if you wish to waive that vote by quoting rule 3 [1].Sure it was.
I just realized BT is supposed to be, like, a doctor, hence stethoscope and tongue depressor. before that I was assuming he was some sexual deviant.You must be fun at the operating table.
Honestly I have nothing to work with here, how did we even get out of joke vote phases before??? I just didn't like BT's "third on the wagon" vote because of how boring and expected it was. I was like "c'mon.... can't we make up better early day 1 vote excuses than this???"Really, though, you're gonna talk about having trouble starting the game and then rag on me for trying? Consider going to an optometrist if you're gonna be this short-sighted.
Go on... have anything else to share with your friends at the pediatric intensive care unit?I'm not sure whether you're asking for more casing (we're still baaarely out of jokevoting phase so...) or implying that I might need immediate medical assistance for my SELFLESS ACTS OF KINDNESS
I'm not sure whether you're asking for more casing (we're still baaarely out of jokevoting phase so...) or implying that I might need immediate medical assistance for my SELFLESS ACTS OF KINDNESSYou're positive. My condolences.
You're positive. My condolences.
I'm B Negative personally.
Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead!
##Vote: Serela
Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
5. Town is NOT[/i] required to reach a majority to Lynch. At the end of the Day, all votes are tallied and whoever has the most votes will be killed! There is no "hammer" vote, i.e. the Day will not end due to having a majority of votes on someone.
Also OOC question due to the game starting late:
Extended Night Phase for the 25th/26th?
ActionDan's confessions to me appear to be in order, although the town-ring from Polly [Who's Polly? I forgot who's nickname that was] is curious and a useful confession.Pollykins is Polaris, sweetie.
While I would like a more... explanatory explanation from Zakeri, I must confess myself that BT is suspct of sin for the same reason as PX according to the Good Book. My decision to vote for the latter was merely spurred by recency. PX's nonsense occurred later into play than BT's.Here I gotta ask, though. PX's votes, my vote and Zak's were all sorta similar, we didn't enunciate word-by-word why we're voting the person. But, I mean, you can try reading the posts to make sense of them:
I say Amen to Zakeri saying something seems a little off regarding BT. Although I cannot say Amen to non-existent reasoning.
Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead!Mine was a pressure vote, but I was also surprised by how little Serela had to say at that point. I mean, voting the guy who just immediately voted and not saying anything else is... pretty nondescript:
##Vote: Serela
Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
Let's see what this pill does.
Go on... have anything else to share with your friends at the pediatric intensive care unit?Zak's vote was actually the most cryptic:
Oh my, Oh me, My petite mon cherry is pushed to ze edge.He says he senses something but that can be a substitute for anything.
I am beginning to sense something zat is, how you say, mah-leh-fique?
##Unvote: Polaris
##Vote: BT
Monsieur Raikaria, I fear dze point you may have addressed may counter dze post I just made, how-eh-Vehr, I will stand by my action.Do you want the defibrillator? Because I just checked and it's running fine.
Dzat iz to say, Dze point of 'ow we are in-no-dan-ger of dze day ending earleah.
It makes sense. Serela's labyrinthitis is worse than the people voting him, though...
Honestly my initial reaction to BT voting Serela was "ok wtf are you doing" and I wanted to change my vote to him, but honestly Serela's reactionary voting (in response to Dormio and then to BT) is almost as bad. I've been mulling over the two of them for a while now and lsdkla;jfdla
this is what I feel in my heart right now. I think I'd be ok with changing my vote to Serela too but the problem is I'm not totally ok with everyone who's voting Serela (plus SB who hasn't posted beyond his first post yet) which makes me less ok with changing my vote to Serela, if that makes sense?
(insert that one maizono face where she looks concerned but it's almost like fake concern, i feel like that would apply here)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/e/ef/Sayaka_Maizono_Halfbody_Sprite_%2817%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170521222324)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/1/16/Sayaka_Maizono_Halfbody_Sprite_%282%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170521222318)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/7/75/Sayaka_Maizono_Halfbody_Sprite_%283%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170521222318)
So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?
Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
Also, before I continue, I feel the need to correct Raikaria and Serela regarding their posts [14] [15] that a set number for majorities and the concept of a hammer does not exist for the purposes of this game as per rule 5. [16]
Dormio, that's confusing. I didn't tell anyone on my wagon to vote Zak over me. Neither did I tell that to Raikaria, and he wasn't even on my wagon. What you think is shift blaming is me trying to talk to Rai and get a read on him..
Quote from: PX on December 20, 2018, 10:58:22 pm
Serela your responses are not helping so I shall be here to help instead!
##Vote: Serela
Now let's see how many people aren't paying attention to the game
Mine was a pressure vote, but I was also surprised by how little Serela had to say at that point. I mean, voting the guy who just immediately voted and not saying anything else is... pretty nondescript:
well that didn't really help. where's serious bananas
VOTECOUNT
SB (1): ActionDan,BT
Dormio (0):BT, Serela,Polaris
Polaris (0):Raikaria,WHMZakeri
PX (0):Polaris, Raikaria
ActionDan (0):Serela,Raikaria
Serela (3): PX, SB, BT
BT (4):Polaris, Serela, WHMZakeri, Polaris, Dormio (L-1!)
End of Day 1 Timer (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1)
In addition, I shall reference Polaris' earlier post [27] and submit a formal request for SB to provide clarification regarding his actions as his prior posts [28] [29] have been non-conducive to the continuation of the game as well and may be construed as negligence if action is not taken.
I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating.
Monsieur Raikaria, I fear dze point you may have addressed may counter dze post I just made, how-eh-Vehr, I will stand by my action.
Dzat iz to say, Dze point of 'ow we are in-no-dan-ger of dze day ending earleah.
serela, mon cherry, you're already showing a pattern of reactionary "responding only to people that suspect you"
So here's my diagnosis: Zak is allowed to vote really cryptic like, why are PX and I not?It wasn't good, and the fact that he's never done anything else 24 hours later makes it actively bad now, but (personally, as the question wasn't directed to me) I didn't see it as bad as yours since I agreed with the actual vote target (I mean, it was my vote too...) as opposed to yours. So like, I agreed with the action but not particularly the way he did it, instead of not agreeing with the action or reason in your case?
Currently busy at work but I will have 2 hours after it ends.
Although I do have a question for the mod. Since there is no such things as a hammer, What happens if there is a tie for majority votes at the end of the day?
Sorry I can't be helpful, but I will be tracking the thread and hope to be helpful soon
Town is NOT[/i] required to reach a majority to Lynch. At the end of the Day, all votes are tallied and whoever has the most votes will be killed! There is no "hammer" vote, i.e. the Day will not end due to having a majority of votes on someone.
raikara don't be such a drama queen. a drama... quince? (a quince is a fruit) i mean that's kinda what i was getting at when i said "it's a new game mechanic and idk if the rules are totally clear" but in lieu of any sort of mod-prod we may as well use the mechanic given to us to prod inactive players. it requires a majority anyway so it's not like a modkill will actually happen unless enough people agree to it, so i think a partial use of delurk is fine?
imo we could probably have an entire meta-discussion on whether delurk is an effective/balanced way of punishing lurkers but that would waste a lot of time while we're still in the game, so ?\_(ツ)_/?
Hey, Rai? Let's not spread our votes 2 hours from deadline. That would be a real autosomal colloid cyst of a move.
2) We don't have to get majority in order to lynch someone. But I'd much rather we'd act like we do. It'll be much harder for wagon analysis later if there's no reason to build the wagons.
Se detendre, BT, I have indeed read your posts and discovered little positive intention. While it is true you are direction conversation, The tone with which you make such directions appear to line up with somebody who would rather not be voted. Quoi qu'il en soit, I do not feel you vote on me is a meaningful attempt at scumhunting like Serela's. I have no reason to move my vote as of yet.Sure, I'd rather not get lynched, I heard the faculty at the morgue really stink. Entertaining for a bit that I'm town and this is just how I post, what else is going on? And when you do tell me what's going on, refer to specific things that the person has done. I'm getting real tired of this boilerplate vague stuff a la "meaningful attempt at scumhunting".
What is with your insistence of electrocuting me?Naw man that just means the scumteam have much more control over the vote because they have options and they can just swing it at the last second. Hello, defibrillator.
Au contraire, Mon Cherry. I'm actually excited for zhis turnout because we are at a place where the swing of wagons has much more weight. I feel analysis in the future may become easier with zhese new rules.
Serela: you make it sound like all I've been doing is defending, what the heck kind of lazy read is that?If you're reading, I'd rather you just quick respond to this please. I hear a little thought staves away the Extramammary Paget's disease
Out of the potential options [46] provided in the most recent unofficial votecount [47], if a lynch on BT appeared to be impossible, the only other option that I would consider at that point would be Zakeri.
[46] Dormio, Zakeri, Serela, BT
Naw man that just means the scumteam have much more control over the vote because they have options and they can just swing it at the last second. Hello, defibrillator.
I horribly miscounted and am still at work for another hour, but in the spirit of helping from what I've been sneaking through I have no real reason to hang Raikaria although I do not agree with his vote reasons on Dormio, and Serela is really whatever so no real opinions on whether he should hang or not.
This post is a response to BT's prior post [45].Sure, but can you tell the good neurosurgeon why, or why not others?
Out of the potential options [46] provided in the most recent unofficial votecount [47], if a lynch on BT appeared to be impossible, the only other option that I would consider at that point would be Zakeri.
It also means scum may only need to convince 1 or 2 townies to vote with them. As you have been rather strongly attempting to do, to the point of berating me for 'spreading votes'. The blade cuts both ways.Look I'd rather not go big on the theory talk here but every fiber of my being is telling me that wagons the collapse and coalesce at the last second are ba-a-a-ad, the scumteam always take advantage of the chaos.
I am writing this post in a rush because I have witnessed a statement [50] that I cannot ignore.
What makes you so certain that two DeLurks would amount to a mislynch? Do you have access to information that would indicate to you that the two DeLurk motions I have presented would be equivalent in result to a mislynch? Are you withholding information from the players regarding the alignment of the lurkers?
As per Article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been excluded.
##Vote: SB
[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[50] Fun fact: if we use delurk two days in a row, it's like we get an extra mislynch.
Naw man that just means the scumteam have much more control over the vote because they have options and they can just swing it at the last second. Hello, defibrillator.Oh Mon, Cherry, would that not simply weight heavier on zhis scum zhat try to shift zhe wagons? You are trading long term results for short term.
I am writing this post in a rush because I have witnessed a statement [50] that I cannot ignore.
What makes you so certain that two DeLurks would amount to a mislynch? Do you have access to information that would indicate to you that the two DeLurk motions I have presented would be equivalent in result to a mislynch? Are you withholding information from the players regarding the alignment of the lurkers?
As per Article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been excluded.
##Vote: SB
?
It's maths.
7/2, if we mislynch 3 times we lose.
If we 'lynch' twice a day (one lynch, one delurk), we get four chances to lynch scum (because the two deaths on D2 occur simultaneously, in spite of it being 4/2 potential MYLO.)
Town control 4 deaths here, while scum control 2 (meaning we essentially steal one of their nightkills from them compared to just lynching every day/scum killing every night).
My gut reaction to this vote is that it's kinda scummy.
Cows moo with regional accents.
It would seem I am most suspected, but alas, all I have to say is I stand by my reasoning thus far.(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/240/075/90f.png)
While I have cast some suspicion onto Dormio and Polaris, I do not believe them as bad as the prior four, and the congregation should attempt to condemn those most likly to be sinners at this point.(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/5/57/Sabrina_Haunter_Lick.png/revision/latest?cb=20160102060504)
That said, at the same time Dormio, what makes SB's statement not pass for ignorance, and instead be judged as malice, when Serela's actions are not? This seems inconsistent.To be fair, SB is like the defibrillator to Serela's toilet plunger.
And Why, Bt, would your execution be les pire?What's the context? And will you claim?
The context specifically being how you mention " as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue."That was a joke you ditz.
I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating.
Sure, I'd rather not get lynched, I heard the faculty at the morgue really stink.QuoteDormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue.
I would like to ask why les morgue is such an ingrained fear in you, BT?
Weighing Scale 1.1
Zakeri(3): Serela, SB, PX
BT(2): Zakeri, Dormio
Serela(1): Polaris
SB(1): ActionDan
ActionDan(1): Raikaria
Dormio[/b[(1): BT
Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 40 minutes remaining,
"I'm voting Zakeri, not Serela. I'm also going to the morgue soon because deadline is in nine hours, which is illuminating."First post is honest reaction to realize that whoa, short day.
"Sure, I'd rather not get lynched, I heard the faculty at the morgue really stink."
"Dormio: SB's speaking in hypotheticals, as in, what would happen in a worst-case scenario. As in, me at the morgue."
I would like to ask why les morgue is such an ingrained fear in you, BT?
reposting due to tag errors but ehh, c'est la vie.
So I see this was posted 11 seconds after Zak's claim. Gonna assume you didn't type that in 11 seconds. What's the reason for the voteswap here, and what do you think right now about him rolecopping me for the night?
In accordance with the conditions set out by article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been stricken from the record.
##Vote: BT
So I see this was posted 11 seconds after Zak's claim. Gonna assume you didn't type that in 11 seconds. What's the reason for the voteswap here, and what do you think right now about him rolecopping me for the night?
Weighing Scale 1.3
Zakeri(3): Serela, PX, Raikaria
Dormio(2): BT, SB, Zakeri
Serela(1): Polaris
BT(1): Dormio
SB(1): ActionDan
Countdown! (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/christmas?iso=20181222T00&p0=%3A&msg=END+OF+DAY+1&font=slab&csz=1) 20 minutes remaining,
I dislike the sudden counterwagon on Dormio and will not be joining it. I hope to perform my own investigation on those affairs.Well have fun having by far the worst vote I've seen today. Defibrillator. Defibrillator.
Dormio, claim.No.
If Zakeri is lynched and flips town rolecop I'm lynching Raikaria no takebacks. Defibrillator.
@Raikaria this is not a sudden wagon because we've been discussing Dormio for a while now.
If you were to walk around the world, your head would have traveled a slightly longer distance than your feet.
apricot
do we want to mess with a tie on the votes? in a worst-case scenario I'm willing to switch to Zak but idk
If Zakeri is lynched and flips town rolecop I'm lynching Raikaria no takebacks. Defibrillator.
Discuessed, yes. The wagon itself still came out of nowhere. Mere moments ago we were discussing Zakeri/BT. And while I rate a Dormio lynch over BT, I hate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.
But a PX wagon right now is a pipe dream, and unvoting from Zakeri myself to try and start one would only serve to condemn Dormio, who I think, while imperfect, is more likly town than Zakeri.OK but at least Zak claimed. Hello.
Discuessed, yes. The wagon itself still came out of nowhere. Mere moments ago we were discussing Zakeri/BT. And while I rate a Dormio lynch over BT, I hate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.I'm guessing that situation was very convenient for you. Defibrillator strong.
OK but at least Zak claimed. Hello.I'm guessing that situation was very convenient for you. Defibrillator strong.
Maybe it's Raikaria/PX. Defibrillator.
Maybe it's Raikaria/PX. Defibrillator.
Character Sheet
Name: Julio Beninha
Cause of Death: Starvation
Goodness Reason: Tour guide who brought happiness to the lives of many
Actually, you're not Julio. You're his twin brother, Mateo. And, well, your brother was the good half. You're the one who starved to death after falling into a dried up well, thinking you saw a glint of gold there.
It was gold. You just had no way to get out again. Major bummer: who needs riches when they're dead? You were also pretty talentless, but by God and All That is Holy, you were one of the best copycats this side of the world. Use your powers of plagiarism to save Heaven from the scums.
Powers:
Julio, Juli-who?: Your brother was the tour guide. Now you're gonna pretend to be your brother. Just give people an unwanted bit of trivia every post, and you'll be golden. Shit like, "Did you know, Angels are winged?" or "To your left, you can see the Church of Baby Jesus"... you know, tour guide stuff. Whatever, you can do it. Even if you make a misstep, it's not like you'll be sent to Hell for not acting a tour guide, right?
Double Life: You always copied your twin. Now you'll copy others. The first time a Town-aligned role is removed from the game, you automatically assume the powers of that role without informing anyone. There are no caveats.
Win Condition:
Remain in Heaven and weed out the real Scum.
Good luck.
EiMM is stress. Is there a sub here?
I could try
If I encourage myself to try.
remember to recycle
I didn't really like Dormio from what i was reading but again was working at the time so busy. My assistance will stay on Zakeri as I think he'll flip scum more likely for nowExplique
Does anyone have any idea why the lynch failed? >_> Oh well, guess that means we can delurk someone.
DAN DIDN'T POST A SINGLE TIME AFTER D3.
##Delurk:ActionDan
Wait, wait, I can't use my actions in LyLo? But I'm sure you want me to show off...
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7lozahCs31qjgo33o1_500.gif)
Well, the angels might not like it, but I wouldn't be the BEST PERSON HERE if I held back!
##HolyShirt
the lack of lynch is not at all related to anything I have coinnassaince of.
Also I've been working on improving my l'accent (if only because I'm tired of typing 'zhese' instead of 'these'). I totally am not just giving up on faking a french accent because french is my natural language after all~.
I am really not sure what to make of all of these lynch manigances. I'm kind of disappointed I'm still playing to be honest, but also I guess we can't vote Serela anymore again?
Also like I said, I submitted to get BT's role revealed to me. I didn't have time to change my mind before the day ended, however considering his actions at the end of the day and the result I got, I don't want to reveal it inutilement.
Yes that means I believe he's town.
I mostly want to focus on the people who didn't comment much or at all at the end of the day yesterday. And Raikaria. Dormio wagon encountered a lot of unexpected resistance for a quickwagon, and Raikaria provided a lot of that resistance as well, so that's where my suspicions lead and what I'll be looking for when I get around to reading in depth.
Good morning to you too, M?decins Sans Fronti?res.
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
lmao serela
I'll make more posts when I'm not running late for work.
For the record I'm not totally sure what to think of Zakeri, since his circumstances aren't the best (suspicious unexplained lynchblock, rolecop fakeclaim) but his behavior makes sense to me ever since we ran him up for the lynch yesterday.
Before anyone gets on my case of medical journal reports, "roleblock fakeclaim" was totally a slip of the tongue, but only because that's what I was imagining at that particular moment. I'm still leaning town on that slot.
The fact that Zakeri wasn't killed despite his rolecop claim is also suspicious. Amen.
Rai. Here's your aspirin, don't forget, one pill every day.
Why are you not voting for Zak instead if that's what you think? And yes, you would have a good reason to.
Where did he say he was one shot?
The one doubt I currently have regarding the sinful nature of Zakeri was something protected him from being condemned yesterday. And I doubt that the sinners would have a role that gave command of merciful angels like that.
I am a one-shot rolecop. I have decided to investigate BT and will post zhe results as I get zhem.
What do you think transpired to save Zakeri from the lynch, and why does it suggest that he is town?
As the group gathers to the Angels' dwelling, to indicate they decided who among them was Scum and did not belong in Heaven, the group was baffled to find the Angels's house to be locked up and barred.
There was just a simple note:
"Postponed."
You think Zak is lying about me because we're buddies.
You also think someone lynchblocked him and that suggests that he's town.
1.
How do these two facts gel together, let alone in a way that makes you vote for me?
2.
What does that make the competing wagon, which was on Dormio?
3.
I'd love your thoughts on Dormio, actually.
Defibrillator daisuki
And Delurk could potentially put us at 2-3 tomorrow, LYLO. How do you interpret that as 'safe'?um
You also think someone lynchblocked him and that suggests that he's town.The lynchblocker is probably town, and town can easily Be Wrong and lynchblock a scum lynch. The lynchblock means nothing.
ugh everything about this reread is making me want to throw bt and zak in a couples dumpsterIt's like I'm being shipped with Zak or something
because 2-4 is also lylo. Lynch, nightkill, 2-2, town loss.
It's lylo EITHER WAY, so, yeah, we should delurk someone if we can.
In addition, regarding BT's most recent posts [63], I request that BT provide an explanation so as to why SB mentioning that I have been voting for BT for the majority of the day is worse than BT voting for Zakeri for most of the day for non-contribution towards the continuation of the game state when ActionDan and PX existed at the time.Sure, if I were doing to Zak exactly what you were doing to me, I'd have room for pause, except I didn't notice at the time because I'm not busy scumhunting my own slot.
##Vote: BTHere you argue that I'm looking for easy targets. I mean, I thought this was fine at the time. A little annoying since I wasn't going for "easy targets", because I wasn't looking for targets, my SB and Serela votes were 100% pressure votes and this was the first 24 hours of the game hello
Following my previous line of questioning towards BT [18a] [18b], his vote on SB [6] seems quite lazy to me. His followup vote on Serela [19] further builds this sentiment that BT is not actively attempting to find the traitors in our midst that would prefer to live in a world without rules to govern our behaviors and instead looking for easy targets for the lynch.
PX's behaviors [20] also display a similar level of apathy however given that he has only made the one post he may still be acting within rule 3 [1] and so I intend on pursuing this line of thought at a later time.
Now that I have some more time available to myself, I shall create a post further detailing my thoughts on PX and BT from my prior post [22] as necessitated by BT's recent stream of posts which shall be referred to within the appendix as necessary.This is the worse post. Here you try to spin some story that I'm looking for a scapegoat. What does that even mean? Of course I'm going to find a lynch target, what else do you expect?
The first statement that I wish to address is BT's initial argument against Zakeri [23a]. What I find interesting about the argument presented within this post [23] is that he argues with the people attacking him by stating that WHMZakeri is guilty of the same crimes that he has committed and appears to be affected more by the fact that WHMZakeri is not being prosecuted for committing the same crimes as himself rather than the fact that he has been accused of a crime himself.
Now, this is simple speculation on my part, but I am still presenting the following statement as part of my case: I believe that the above speculation suggests that BT is not mounting a defense against the accusations surrounding himself as he holds a guilty conscience and is instead focused on searching for a scapegoat onto which he can push the blame.
This speculation on my behalf is supported by BT's next post [23b] explaining why he is voting for WHMZakeri. Within this post, there is no mention of why WHMZakeri should be voted for as opposed to himself or PX, the two mentioned within BT's prior post [23a]. I believe that this failure to address this issue supports my speculation that BT is searching for a scapegoat to push the blame onto rather than actively searching for those who would disregard the rules of civil conduct.
The next point that I wish to restate is regarding BT asking why he and PX are receiving pressure for making votes with minimal reason while Zakeri is not [23a]. As mentioned in my prior post [56], I feel that this is indicative of a state of mind that is attempting to shift blame rather than actively search for criminals.I'm gonna mention this one last time because I got too mad about "scapegoating" in the earlier post.
Now, he does address this point within a later post [23b], however this seems like a weak reason to me given the existence of other lurkers at the time such as ActionDan and PX.
I think I just did.
- Dormio's cases have been cherrypicked - Please clarify this matter.
I meant more in a "not helpful for pushing the game state" sort of way. If I have to prod minimal content out of you then you're not being helpful. Plus, I don't remember you taking an active role in the end-of-day wagons.
- his engagement is unhelpful - Please clarify this matter by providing your definition of unhelpful. I have stated my opinions with regards to who I believe to be a criminal and provided the reasoning for these opinions. Does this contradict your definition of helpful?
- and I'll add that he wasn't helpful towards deadline - I added a vote to my counterwagon as the lynch that I wished for did not appear to have a chance at succeeding.
It wasn't always you-or-him. It was only you-or-him in the last, like, 10 minutes of the day. You coulda said something sooner, but you waited until you were being flash wagoned.
- didn't budge about Zakeri's claim - I fail to see how a claim should make me want to vote for myself.
I dunno, if I were being flash wagoned, and my claim could save town a mislynch, I think I'd claim. But this is a weaker point so whatever.
- declined to claim himself - I fail to see why you require access to my confidential documentation.
Guten-fucking-tag.
- and hasn't posted even a good morning post so far - guten Morgen
Raikaria: His 286 post really alarms me.286 is mine. Use a direct link instead, you'll be a regional hero.
The fact that nobody spoke up about the ability that saved Zakeri leads me to believe that it is scum aligned.If mafia decided to postpone or cancel (can't decide) the lynch on purpose, and Zak is town, why would they? To let the one-shot rolecop use his role before dying? Doesn't make sense to me.
oh god i'm feeling itI was just reaidng back but ngl this is a huge big bang theory moment of yours
another fundamental incompatibility
I don't like Zakeri's lack of scumhunting D1.
BT frankly dosen't seem to be scumhunting much either; just parking on a D1 lurker.
Also the fact BT is not listening to the congregation further supports the concept that he is not looking for sin.
I have not seen much hunting for Sinners from you either. In fact, I have seen quite a lot of evidence that you have no intention to do so, such as your statement to tunnel on my from yesterday, and evidence today that you are not reading even the post you are responding to,
thanks for reading, constructive criticism appreciatedI read that post again and it's just not very emotive. I can't get a read on it.
Raikaria: His 286 post really alarms me. First his statement that his ability automatically makes him town. I don't like his suspicion on Polly because Townies are people too and they can dislike someone and not share information if they want to. Hiding information from everybody is sometimes better than sharing it with the guilty, but he seems vehemently against the idea. He's posting a "gotcha" point on BT ignoring the correction he made afterwards on an incorrect word and then using the exact same point to paint Zakeri guilty (the idea that Zak is fakeclaiming rolecop).
Roles do not indicate any alignment, it's how they're used.
The fact that nobody spoke up about the ability that saved Zakeri leads me to believe that it is scum aligned.
i feel like raikaria is in this position where he is town and he knows he is town, so he's basically considering everyone else from his town high horse like he's above it all, and it's really an impressive (or impressively depressing) lack of self-awareness to realize that what he did would in fact look extremely scummy if zakeri did flip town at that moment
like the reaction felt so genuinely offended that i dunno if it's possible for scum to fake that
(i was thinking of this because raikaria made a repeat comment about this in the quicktopic, one of the things i read before i quit it entirely)
for that matter, because of the suspicion this has given me, I've decided to go over your posts and I spot a clear disconnect. In #153 you deflect the lurker hunt from PX to actiondan, including a change of vote to go with it, and in addition, you add in a defense for PX's lack of activity by reminding other that he has promised content. A lot of your other content for the rest of dayone follows this pattern as well. in 184, Raikaria posts reads on everyone, mentioning how "unhelpful" PX's vote on me was but also subconciously ranking Actiondan higher priority. 214 and 240 create a pattern of "I believe PX is the worst, but Zakeri is the decided wagon for the day." Which is odd because he doesn't even bother mentioning actiondan even though that was his vote before consolidating onto me. Then it ends in post 252, where Raikaria claims he was pushing PX as the #1 lynch for the day.
When compared to Raikaria's actions today, where he dismisses the votes on PX as "absolutely not scumhunting"... il est m?fiant
- A lot of Day 1 you seemed to be acting like Dormio's echo. Do you have any independent thoughts on people you haven't spoken about in the thread? Especially thoughts on Dormio himself.
Polaris most of D1 was just echoing Dormio.
I am conflicted about the Zak wagon because the people currant-ly voting him are BT and Serela and you know how I feel about them `_`
Out of the potential options [46] provided in the most recent unofficial votecount [47], if a lynch on BT appeared to be impossible, the only other option that I would consider at that point would be Zakeri.
[46] Dormio, Zakeri, Serela, BT
[47] Weighing Scale 1.1
Rolecop, right? So, role, not allegiance.
2: Dormio votes BT for his vote on BT (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,21626.msg1416758.html#msg1416758). As I previously said; I belive that BT's vote would fall under RVS.
As another alternative, we could opt to No Lynch tonight; get more information via someone flipping, as well as use the extended Holy Night of Celebrations to get all out ideas and thoughts in order.Rai. Uh. Did you even stop, to think, about this line? Like what flip are you expecting from the scum night kill that will help us out as opposed to lynching a lurker (at worst) or scum (at best) like did you even stop to think about this? Last day cycle you were crying about how scum will probably nk you for all the target people are painting on your back. what is this even
So between Zakeri and Dormio, in the interest of the betterment of townis this really the same guy who decided that zak would get lynched over dormio yesterday
##Vote: Dormio
is this really the same guy who decided that zak would get lynched over dormio yesterday
what is even medicine
Rai. Uh. Did you even stop, to think, about this line? Like what flip are you expecting from the scum night kill that will help us out as opposed to lynching a lurker (at worst) or scum (at best) like did you even stop to think about this? Last day cycle you were crying about how scum will probably nk you for all the target people are painting on your back. what is this even
defibrillator is making a comeback
Okay Dormio is more likely to get lynched over me since he already has 2 votes.ok then why not say that in the first place. why lie about "the betterment of the town" or is 'PX living' the betterment of the town because you could have just said that instead, you know, "not me over me"
Help. I need somebody.
The same thing I did today. Look back and look at interactions based on SB's flip.ok fair enough im just cranky
Combined with fear of Zakeri being a delayed lynch, the angels merely waiting. Also the fact we haven't really had much discussion today. Because everyone has been busy.
It's simply the time of the year. I felt like putting the idea out there. If the congregation do not like the idea, then I shall rescind it. I simply felt like putting the motion foward for those reasons. And perhaps a couple of others I wish to keep close to my chest.
Also convenient PX happens to show up and claim when there are 4 votes on him.
Alright these snide comments are really throwing shade without full pushing forward. Definitely do not like this. Forget it, feels more like trying to direct people to push each other while he can sit back and jump on whoever he wants later.
##Vote: Raikaria
Well I guess it's not technically OMGUS, because I'm not voting you.
Amen to getting words mixed up.
You hide in the shadows for the majority of D1 and D2 and then happen to show up when you're in trouble.1. why cheerlead this wagon and then say youre not joining in
You cannot pretend that is not suspicious PX.
Especially when you're basically resorting to OMGUS.
The main reason I'm not currently voting for you is because you've done so little there's little except inactivity to condemn you, whereas for the reason I stated earlier, I see sinful play in Dormio upon my re-read.
tamarilloi cant wait for your actual post. can you try to sell me on why dormio should be lynched over px?
^ bt's votecount is fake news because i changed votes to dormio..... bt..... are you TEH SCUMS for manipulating vote perception??????????????????
this is a joke, actual post later
damson, you really dropped the ball on that onei cant believe there's actually a plum called damson
like tell it to us straight med. doc raikaria do you think px should be lynched or not?
akeeyoure the derp here, if hes scum then hes not a doctor and he made up the target
##Unvote
##Vote PX
honestly my head imploded trying to figure out if px's claim is fake or not because his n1 target doesn't make sense to me as either scum or town, which means it's certifiably 100% derp
Fun fact: I accidentally deleted my post while I was typing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvH7syfkWD8)do you just use screencap constantly? what a life
Character Sheet
Name: Air Miles
Cause of Death: Suicide
Goodness Reason: Pious soul always ready to help others
Actually, you've always used others. Helping them was just an unfortunate side-effect of furthering your own goals in life. But hey, if the Angels think it's good enough for Heaven, who are you to argue?
You didn't die alone: you shot your best friend before you took the gun to yourself. Your best friend's here, too, but he doesn't remember you shooting him. He's determined to help you, so make good use of him while you try to eliminate the real scum in your midst.
Which isn't you.
Powers:
Secretary: You're a secretary. Everyone must believe you are a secretary. A helpful one, at that. Always offer helpful advice, even to people who don't want or need any: if your every post doesn't contain some helpful advice, or a helpful offer, or a benign gesture, the Angels might catch on to you not being as helpful as they thought. One misstep doesn't mean the noose, just don't push it. A simple, "here you go" goes a long way.
Die For Me: During the Night, you can direct your Best Friend to ##PROTECT a target. Your Best Friend will then shadow said person, and they will be bulletproof until the start of the next Night Phase. Should an attempt be made on the target in spite of that, your Best Friend will die instead. Afterwards, you lose this ability. It's possible to send your Best Friend to protect yourself.
Win Condition:
Remain in Heaven and weed out the real Scum.
Good luck.
Did you tell a townie who the scum are by accident?
Anyways RIP
BUT WHO WAS MAFIA
ROLES:
Scum:
Polaris: Scum roleblocker, initially had a fakeclaim built in as anti-roleblocker. Removed it for being too bastard.
Dormio: Scum filibuster, original role. Had the power to stop a lynch once during the game, then at a later time lynch the target immediately. Effectively a Dayvig whose target was picked by Town.
Town:
BT: Watcher. Would learn the identity of all visitors to the target, additionally knows if the target performed an action that night. Initially became Immune whenever he acted. This was the source of mod error: I gave BT the results of his action when he should've been roleblocked. If he wasn't roleblocked Night 1, would've caught scum in the kill.
Serela: Innocent Votecleaner. Had the power to be declared innocent and get all votes cleared off him. Was the last role to be added.
Kinimu: Journalist. Could write a note every day, then deliver it at Night. On death, reveals contents of last note written. Role was never used even once. Initially was able to broadcast a message to everyone who did not perform a Night action, but was deemed too strong.
WHMZakeri: Rolecop/Checker. On Day 1, could rolecop a single target. On Day 2 onwards, could check whether someone performed a Night action the previous night. Was designed to clear bullshit claims of "I didn't act." or confirm claims.
Raikaria: Neighbouriser. Could form a Neighbourhood with someone. On dying, his remaining Neighbour would've had a one-shot Dayvig. Sadly, it wound up going to Scum. Initially, Raikaria would've gotten the Dayvig if his buddied died, too.
PX: Doc. Protects someone during the Day and Night, but became Vanilla if his ability was used up.
SB: Backup. As posted, would inherit a Townie's powers. Just in case Zakeri, BT or PX died early without using their power. Since he inherits the power as-is, would've regained any one-time use abilities as well. In this way, he could've created a second Neighbourhood, potentially. I didn't think that one through.