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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Kojiremi on April 21, 2009, 08:42:56 PM

Title: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kojiremi on April 21, 2009, 08:42:56 PM
Well This is a tradional thread concerning the next best fighter next to Touhou's IaMP and SWR (don't take that seriously just a little joke hehe)

I saw the old thread of Melty Blood but thought..."Hey...they didn't have a poll for best chars right. I think i'll start one"
so there ya go. I play Melty Blood Act Cadenza ver B all the time and i absolutely love it ^_^

So post up whatever strategies you may have when playing around or replays too if you want to show some off. I'll send some if you ask so just have fun ^_^.

Also if you feel like posting your worst chars go for that too.

Anyway. My top  chars are
Ciel
Arcueid
Tohno Shiki
Warcueid

To me Ciel has dam good range and speed. I just love playing with her all the time hehe ^_^
Arcueid was my first char when i played the game and she just rocks, same with Tohno Shiki
Warcuied is just hilarious for me! so many times have i won a game against friends thanks to blood rings or something silly happening. Me and War just have hilarious games together I'll show you guys a replay of it later haha

My worst chars are
Kishima
Satstuki
Neco-Arc (both of em)
Aoko

I just can't play them to save my life man. just fail horribly at it. XD
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Moogy on April 21, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
hisui is the best fuck off haters
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Sana on April 21, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
I'm not too great at MBAC, but for top favourite, it'd probably be a tie between Miyako and Tohno Shiki. I find them both really fun to play. Second favourite would be Akiha, mainly for ridiculous j.2C overheads.

Also, it's probably not a good idea to tell people you have a copy uploaded. 
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Edible on April 21, 2009, 09:09:04 PM
Also, it's probably not a good idea to tell people you have a copy uploaded. 

Why, whatever would you be talking about?

@kojiro: Piracy is a no-no here.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kiro on April 21, 2009, 09:16:15 PM
I'm bad at this game, but I main Tohno Shiki whenever I do play.

Kishima Kouma is also fun for me.

And Neko Arc Chaos for the "jyan jyan jyan". But really, I'm absolutely terrible with him. BEAAAAMMMMMUUUU!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kojiremi on April 21, 2009, 09:17:17 PM
oh right.
my bad didn't realize THAT'S what's meant by pirating. just wanted to share the game is all. But wait isn't Act Cadenza supposed to be for PC anyway?
...nah scratch that no need to respond to that i'll take that part out then >,>

Edit:
.....oh he did it for me
Thanks? haha
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Benny1 on April 21, 2009, 09:34:43 PM
Wallachia is currently my main.  I'm kinda bad, but I've learned setups that nobody will ever respect and are difficult to punish, and the moment you start to respect or try to punish it, I go into something else that hurts you too.

V.Akiha is just awesome because I love Akiha and she's FAST.

V.Sion is my longest played character probably, but I'm still learning her.

I wrote a guide to playing Neco Arc and know some actual strategy with her lol.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kojiremi on April 21, 2009, 09:48:40 PM
Changed my worst...Kishima and Satsuki...they are FRICKIN GROUNDERS! they have so little aerial combat and i suck with just their throws and such. i can't stand it XD at least with Wallachia i got a big area of attack. Chaos i can play too somewhat with all the birds, traps and long range attacks he can do but i just DON'T like him >_>
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Stuffman on April 21, 2009, 10:46:57 PM
I play Mech Hisui.  4B FLAMETHROWER AND j.214B CROSSBOW, FUCK YEAH

Thankfully she got some pretty good buffs from Final Tuned to AC.

I'd like to use Kouma since I like grapplers but I can't see it working too well in a game where everyone's in the air all the goddamn time. Nero is my backup, most of my game with him just involves jumping in the air and going HOOAAAAAGH a lot though.

As a side note, we'll probably melt some blood after the SWR tournament coming up in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Erin on April 22, 2009, 03:07:58 AM
In MBAC I main Arcueid, since she WAS my favorite character until I watched Kara no Kyoukai, after which she was replaced with Ryougi Shiki. So character-wise it goes like this for my faves in order

Ryougi Shiki
Arcueid Brunestud
Satsuki Yumiduzuduzuduzuka

So far Arcueid is the only one I'm any good with in the game though.

Least favorite character would be Arima Miyako because she needs pants.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tanin on April 22, 2009, 04:31:35 AM
...Satsuki...they are FRICKIN GROUNDERS! they have so little aerial combat
If you are not constantly air dashing with Satsuki, you are doing it wrong.

I'd like to use Kouma since I like grapplers but I can't see it working too well in a game where everyone's in the air all the goddamn time.
You obviously have not seen Kaiimato rape face at pretty much any of the tournaments he goes to.

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As a side note, we'll probably melt some blood after the SWR tournament coming up in the next few weeks.
Oh joy.

ON TOPIC
I have no main.  That is all I will say.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kojiremi on April 22, 2009, 04:44:13 AM
If you are not constantly air dashing with Satsuki, you are doing it wrong.

ON TOPIC
I have no main.  That is all I will say.

Yeah i tried that but its STILL not enough for me to care to pick her up though haha the damage output in the air with just about any character is much higher compared to teh few hits i can do with her.

So uh you came here just to poke at us 2 posters then? o,o; okay...
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tsurara on April 22, 2009, 04:51:56 AM
ren is hot
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: trancehime on April 22, 2009, 04:52:43 AM
haha Ice and his tiny tendencies

also: Sacchin in MBAA is now officially awesoooome (pity about that reach though)
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tsurara on April 22, 2009, 04:58:58 AM
hey i'm not a pedo
ren is just hot
i mean
she doesn't talk, she's older than me, she's not human, etc
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: trancehime on April 22, 2009, 05:01:14 AM
hey i'm not a pedo
ren is just hot
i mean
she doesn't talk, she's older than me, she's not human, etc

no, you're not a pedo

it just funny how you think ren is hot. Cute, yes. Certainly not hot though.

Which does give me second thoughts.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tsurara on April 22, 2009, 05:04:26 AM
i'm using hot loosely
sacchin is hot though; i won't take that back
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tanin on April 22, 2009, 05:30:10 AM
Yeah i tried that but its STILL not enough for me to care to pick her up though haha the damage output in the air with just about any character is much higher compared to teh few hits i can do with her.
She's not supposed to use her air attacks unless she's trying to score a counterhit.  Otherwise you air throw into 4 way.

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So uh you came here just to poke at us 2 posters then? o,o; okay...

I've been here awhile, but pretty much yeah.
Well, if anyone wanted to netplay against me, I wouldn't be against it.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kojiremi on April 22, 2009, 05:39:25 AM
yeah i know she's not supposed to do aerials...which is why they suck. but i like to use aerials which is why i avoid her XD hahah. I'm better with her than koakuma no i mean kouma. (i seriously said that once when talking to friends for real >_>)

Yeah i heard that your're 90% bored most of the time XD. haha sorry to say i can't play anything here on campus they block every dam thing (other than pangya)
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Benny1 on April 22, 2009, 12:27:33 PM
The thing about playing Sacchin is that she is by far without a doubt the hardest character to play and if you do not do extremely well you will get stepped on endlessly and become horrendously frustrated, because unless you are good with her (Denpa), you are awful.  Once you get that hit in, have fun with four way.  Most people can't block two of the mixups, let alone all four.

Ren is irritatingly good against V.Sion.  V.Sion's 5A is incredibly good, you can do such good stuff if you just have that blocked.  Mash 5A and piss them off a lot, 5A tick throw for damage + meter, stuff like that.  It's all wonderful.  V.Sion 5A whiffs on... crouching Len, Neco Arcs, dashing Ciel, and I don't think anybody else.  This makes me RAGE.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on April 22, 2009, 02:46:34 PM
I will be frank with you.

I main Nero because he can spam birds (before Cadenza)
His range is also quite large and insane.

my second is Nanaya Shiki

third is Red Akiha / Kohaku

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The reason why I like Nanaya Shiki is without a doubt, or arcade mode I can spam his moves quite desperately, making him a very lethal choice against skilled players even when I am not a skilled player myself. I have defeated a few people on /jp/ online plays (regulars at that) so I know what I am talking about. My only loss? I am not so fast as to be able to pull off 16 hit combos (which is possible)

With Akiha's shoulder bump and combos, I can pretty much says she is better than Kohaku is you do air rage combos. Akiha is fast, easy to use and has knockback on almost every single attack. Plus her light punch is fun to use and has a longer range (what I observed).


Kohaku is awesome, her range is insane, her speed as well, they made it harder to summon the spinning tree in the arcade version, but on PC mode, I normally main her. Her potion throw while mid-air carries quite an insane damage even when the damage level is set to smallest.

Kohaku has quite a number of tricks up her sleeve that makes her quite impossibly one of spammiest characters if it were back in Re-Act. Why? Cactus > punch > hard > lift > potion throw mid air, 7000 damage when set to highest.

Ciel is no more fun for me since Actress Again, I find her moveset terrible.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Moogy on April 22, 2009, 04:35:41 PM
Anyway it appears that I installed the English patch for MBAC for some reason. This makes the game extremely glitchy and probably doesn't work with caster apps. I should probably install a clean copy eh?
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Benny1 on April 22, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
I've never heard of it making the game extremely glitchy, and it works fine with caster!

Nanaya is evil.  Learn his strings and you will be gdlk.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Demonlord Pichu on April 22, 2009, 04:55:12 PM
Kohaku is awesome, her range is insane, her speed as well, they made it harder to summon the spinning tree in the arcade version, but on PC mode, I normally main her. Her potion throw while mid-air carries quite an insane damage even when the damage level is set to smallest.
Those fucking Molatave Cocktails!

Anywho...

Main - NAC
Secondary - Nero

I'm fairly adept with NAC, mainly because I put more effort into learning how he works than I did into the other characters (Yeah probably a wasted effort but if you got something going no use in changing it and fucking your mojo up). His BEEEEAMU special takes up god near the whole screen and one his Arc Drives also makes for a non-escapable attack to use (The Stampede one). NAC's a good character you just have to improvise with what little you have with him.

Although, now that I'm fairly comfortable with NAC, I'm trying to expand on other characters like his brother Nero and Kishima. Nero I'm getting the hang of, Kishima...eh not so much.

Meh, haven't bothered to play AA yet, so yeah...
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Moogy on April 22, 2009, 05:00:59 PM
I've never heard of it making the game extremely glitchy, and it works fine with caster!
Well, okay, maybe it's just my PC acting up. We'll test it later!
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Rabbit on April 23, 2009, 12:19:57 PM
Mains are Nanaya and Mech Hisui.  <3 Flamethrowers.

I don't understand anything about blockstrings, mixups or even BnB combos (actually that last one is a lie); I just go with whatever looks like a good idea at the time.  Will probably never be able to play Actress Again in arcades.  Waiting for PS2 version, which will apparently have Ryougi and thus be awesome.  Ryougi = god tier.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: deslar`ris on April 23, 2009, 04:53:29 PM
Main: Ren (♡)
2nd: Nanaya
3rd: Kohaku or Hisui

To be honest, I don't really play with any strategy other than acting upon what my enemy could do at their current range. I've played against a few people I know, but haven't tried netplay due to horrid connection.

On another note: Has anyone finished Survival? I can only get up to 43 (44?) before tiring out.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kojiremi on April 23, 2009, 05:51:40 PM
i managed to get to 50 before i actually just said "kill me dammit!"  i don't think there is an end to it. Just see how far you get and rank up the points. (did it with Ciel) funny though because i knew Kohaku would kill me
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Benny1 on April 23, 2009, 06:10:18 PM
I believe it ends after 99.

Of course, it's so simple and pointless I'd absolutely never bother playing that, hahaha.  What a waste of time.  Netplay > survival in every way, as is training mode.  Grindan combos for the win.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tanin on April 23, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
I believe it ends after 99.

Of course, it's so simple and pointless I'd absolutely never bother playing that, hahaha.  What a waste of time.  Netplay > survival in every way, as is training mode.  Grindan combos for the win.
It does.

But pointless is great when you don't have an internet connection.

(http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9355/99win.jpg)
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Kojiremi on April 23, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
even if its pointless its still fun. Now that i know it ends at 99 I'ma try to do it haha feels good to win 99 battles in a row. Personal satisfaction haha.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: kenshii on April 23, 2009, 10:28:59 PM
My main is Len, I like her simple combos, speed and air attacks...
I think Aoko is a great character too if used correctly. I am not good with her though...

I've never heard of it making the game extremely glitchy, and it works fine with caster!
Same here, I used to play a lot against a friend of mine with mbcaster (we both had MBAC with the english patch) and we didn't have any problems.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Benny1 on April 24, 2009, 01:38:54 AM
I kind of want to learn how to play W.Len.

Sucks she is TOTAL GARBAGE against Ren, W.Len, and Warc.  And total garbage against most people lol.

She seems to have good setups though, so I wonder...
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Moogy on April 24, 2009, 02:42:26 AM
only play nigger len
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on April 24, 2009, 05:40:57 AM
My main is Len, I like her simple combos, speed and air attacks...
I think Aoko is a great character too if used correctly. I am not good with her though...
Same here, I used to play a lot against a friend of mine with mbcaster (we both had MBAC with the english patch) and we didn't have any problems.

I like old Aoko better lol, beamspam madness.
There is a way to actually hax her out for usage I wonder how tho.

I personally don't like arcade version Aoko as her moves a bit hard to connect imo.
I kind of want to learn how to play W.Len.

Sucks she is TOTAL GARBAGE against Ren, W.Len, and Warc.  And total garbage against most people lol.

She seems to have good setups though, so I wonder...

I disagree, W.Len is definitely better than normal Len to use, I dunno why but I consider her moves a rather a cool set, almost the whole battlescene is your playground if you master them set ups. Ok, so I do use her less, but it is fact she is cool to use. On the other hand however, I find normal Len amusingly weak to use.

Hooray for 12-15 hits combo chains from Hisui lol. I actually did that once, now that is a miracle as my hands cannot react as quickly than my head.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: SP on April 24, 2009, 05:43:18 AM
Oh, I can 1-up you Tanin.

(http://www.spacedoutgame.com/MeltyFail.PNG)

I wept tears of blood.  Last time I played survival.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Benny1 on April 24, 2009, 01:31:13 PM
W.Len has a few issues.

A. She has no air range.  j.A is her only decently ranged air normal.  j.B and j.C and j.2C have jokes for range.
B. Her ground pokes kind of suck.  5B and 2B are good, 2C has horrible range, 5C doesn't have the nice range of Len's, and such.
C. 2C 623A whiffs on Len, W.Len, and Warc.  She is horribly gimped from this.

Ren, on the other hand is arguably top tier.  j.C is godlike, j.A is godlike, j.B is great, j.2C = free fuzzy guard.  Black cat is DANGEROUS.  Her EX Ice combos hit hard too, and EX Ice is a every way tech punish (okay W.Len has this too but she doesn't have as much techable stuff.)

At least W.Len has 214A.  I like how I say Ren for Ren but W.Len for W.Len.

Oh, also, if for whatever reason you have MBR around, check out this combo for W.Len.

214D (yes, her shield bunker) [5A (one hit) 236B] x2 5A 236C dashin [5A (one hit) 236B)] x2 5A 5B j.BC dj.BC airthrow.

I love it.  Works at least on Nero.  Well, the 5A 5B j.BC dj.BC flat out might miss randomly.  Have fun with that.

Other variations are something like this.

2B 5A (two hits) tk j.236B (this is extremely hard and must be done on the first airborne frame) 2B 5A 236C j.BC dj.BC Airthrow.
This one just shows off how awesome j.236B into 2B is.  It's also very, very hard.  And you have to do your aircombo off of 236C because you use your jump cancel.

A few other interesting notes with MBR W.Len

She has no superjump
She can infinitely dash
She cannot cancel her j.A on whiff
She doesn't have j.2C
She doesn't have 3C
She doesn't have 4B
Only hits 2 and 3 of 5B are cancellable.
5B combos into 236C
She doesn't have teleports.
Her shield bunker is horribly broken and can be combo'd off of and doesn't knock her back.
She has a very, very, very bizzare arc drive.
Her Last Arc is mostly broken.  If you cancel the shield, she doesn't do it.  if you let her do it, an image of her appears and she just kinda hits.  It's weird.
Her 623A/B/C frame data is different than Ren's.
She has a different falling animation than Ren, and W.Len in MBAC.
She has a unique airthrow.
Her ground throw is untechable.
5C is entirely uncancellable and is also untechable.  I've seen it linked to 5A, but I haven't managed to do it myself.
j.236C is HUGE DAMAGE.
I swear I have seen the ai do 236[A] like in MBAC, but I must've imagined it.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tanin on April 24, 2009, 05:01:19 PM
W.Len has a few issues.

A. She has no air range.  j.A is her only decently ranged air normal.  j.B and j.C and j.2C have jokes for range.
For the most part, W Len stays on the ground apart from IADs or j[C].

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B. Her ground pokes kind of suck.  5B and 2B are good, 2C has horrible range, 5C doesn't have the nice range of Len's, and such.
What she lacks in poke ability, she gains in dash cancelling from ANY normal.  With proper timing, you can catch most mashing with a dash 5A.

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C. 2C 623A whiffs on Len, W.Len, and Warc.  She is horribly gimped from this.
First of all, 2C 623A.  Unless you're way too close, you really won't be using this.  Better to use 2AB 623A.  On the cats and Warc, the best alternative combo you have is 5AC 623A.  Still a terribly hard matchup.

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Len, on the other hand is arguably top tier.
Because she is.

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At least W.Len has 214A.
Best dp in the game, cancellable on both hit and whiff, easily bunkered.  Yeah.

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MBR WLen stuff
Oh you people and your MBR.

But WLen relies on zoning and oki, for the most part.  Keep away with j[C] and 236 series.  Once you have the upper hand, dash cancelling can keep you on the aggressive for small while, where hopefully you'll score a knockdown.  After that, 236[A] gimmicks, dash gimmicks, j[C] oki gimmicks, IAD jBC/j2C5C fuzzyish oki, etc.

She's actually just a really gimmicky character.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Alice on April 28, 2009, 12:54:54 PM
My favourites are Len and White Len.

White Len has great air combos compared to other characters and her last arc is awesome.

Len has great anti air attack and her move cancellation also works perfectly.

Both Len and White Len sucks when facing Nero.
Title: Re: Melty Blood talk and Favorite Char Poll
Post by: Tanin on April 28, 2009, 03:12:44 PM
...Len...sucks when facing Nero.

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