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~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: AnonymousPondScum on November 11, 2012, 10:35:42 AM

Title: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on November 11, 2012, 10:35:42 AM
PLEASE ENJOY YOUR UNZAN FISTING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O_aQiKoe-RI

A.k.a. I Wanna Be The Touhou.

I love how it doesn't even permit Normal Mode.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Drake on November 11, 2012, 10:40:20 AM
These are done by a guy named yuke. He's been doing these sorts of things for a while now. He's pretty good at it.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/21772560

EDIT: to be said, i watched this earlier today so
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on November 11, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
oh god

the mid boss

THE THREE MISCHIEVIOUS FAIRIES

my sides hurt right now
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: fondue on November 11, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
dammit why does he and Jinx make stages of touhou games but never lets the public play them grrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: game2011 on November 11, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
dammit why does he and Jinx make stages of touhou games but never lets the public play them grrrrrrrrr
According to one of the Youtube comments, copyright infringement.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Ran-Rii on November 11, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
Well, this Touhou looks good... only that when you realise the game humiliates you by giving you 10 points for each spellcard clear, and each shot landed on an enemy gives you 0.001 points, and your lives and spells are nullified. Also, when the game outright blatantly states that THEY DO NOT KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU USED TO TAKE OUT THE SPELLCARD.

Also, when that 1 life-up KILLS YOU. That is undignified and underhanded, and certainly not fitting.

However, of praise is the revolutionary idea of actually fitting multiple bosses in one boss stage, and the final spell at the end was rather satisfying. Also, the way it requires you to focus on your fundamental strategies like streaming... but the way they set it up that you cannot blind-clear it [i.e. first run] is bad.

Fairies with Master Spark, Utsuho's nuclear blasts and stuff with mini-non-directional lasers? Good job.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Firestorm29 on November 11, 2012, 06:08:04 PM
Well, this Touhou looks good... only that when you realise the game humiliates you by giving you 10 points for each spellcard clear, and each shot landed on an enemy gives you 0.001 points, and your lives and spells are nullified. Also, when the game outright blatantly states that THEY DO NOT KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU USED TO TAKE OUT THE SPELLCARD.

Also, when that 1 life-up KILLS YOU. That is undignified and underhanded, and certainly not fitting.

However, of praise is the revolutionary idea of actually fitting multiple bosses in one boss stage, and the final spell at the end was rather satisfying. Also, the way it requires you to focus on your fundamental strategies like streaming... but the way they set it up that you cannot blind-clear it [i.e. first run] is bad.

Fairies with Master Spark, Utsuho's nuclear blasts and stuff with mini-non-directional lasers? Good job.
The 10pt spellcards  aren't very new. I think that's the bare mininum for spellcards, since I don't believe the point of these things is score. I think the multiple spellcards at once was a pretty cool idea, though.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 11, 2012, 06:19:02 PM
Yuke almost always uses 10 point spell cards, except when involving Cirno.

And yeah, I really wish he could release the All Star Medley, but it's too bad. We'll just have to recreate it on Danmakufu~.

Also, anyone paid attention to the death counter on the right? It was pretty frightening. (How do you even beat something like this?!)
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Tengukami on November 11, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Wow, this guy is just blatant with breaking all kinds of copyright, isn't he?
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 11, 2012, 06:29:49 PM
In the end, he doesn't distribute anything, and cites everything. He also does most of it for humor purposes anyway. How many programmers HAVEN'T broken copyrights one way or another? (Danmakufu rippers included)

Although you have a point.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Tengukami on November 11, 2012, 06:50:57 PM
Ha, yeah, not really mad about it or anything. Just noting that he's not even trying to hide it.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Drake on November 11, 2012, 11:11:13 PM
Well, this Touhou looks good... only that when you realise the game humiliates you by giving you 10 points for each spellcard clear, and each shot landed on an enemy gives you 0.001 points, and your lives and spells are nullified. Also, when the game outright blatantly states that THEY DO NOT KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU USED TO TAKE OUT THE SPELLCARD.

Also, when that 1 life-up KILLS YOU. That is undignified and underhanded, and certainly not fitting.

However, of praise is the revolutionary idea of actually fitting multiple bosses in one boss stage, and the final spell at the end was rather satisfying. Also, the way it requires you to focus on your fundamental strategies like streaming... but the way they set it up that you cannot blind-clear it [i.e. first run] is bad.

Fairies with Master Spark, Utsuho's nuclear blasts and stuff with mini-non-directional lasers? Good job.
are you joking

please be joking
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Vyrien on November 11, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
The exploding fairies just killed me. Thanks so much for posting this.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 12, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
The other projects are just as laughable, but are less painful to watch.

Ex: Extend warps away from you or suddenly turns left
Ex: After a few moments of Icicle Fall -Easy-, a massive wall of bullets annihilates the blind spot

And so on and so forth.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: I have no name on November 12, 2012, 12:31:31 AM
This actually has a lot of really cool design ideas.

Master-Sparking fairies: could be really awesome if done well and shown that they're coming in advance.
NDL fairies: I liked that section.  Execution was a bit cheap but it could work.
Exploding fairies: Amazing idea, especially when it forced the player to kill the fairies.  Cheap execution, but the idea is sound.
"gravity field": ALL OF MY YES-that part was only a bit cheap because of the 1up.  Speaking of which...
Homing deadly 1UP: Cheap because you'd tihnk you'd want it, but the idea of a homing bullet following you around through a section is awesome.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some other neat ideas in there, but overall this stage would be REALLY EPIC if it wasn't cheap as all hell.

edit: That said, I get that it's supposed to be cheap and is designed to be as such.  I don't have much else to say on that since it's pretty clearly cheap.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Drake on November 12, 2012, 01:06:50 AM
are you guys just missing the point entirely on purpose

(yes there's good design in it, yuke is a p smart guy)
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: KLH on November 12, 2012, 02:57:09 AM
lol at some of the reactions here

Anyway, love the relatively-fast pacing of stage, despite the "cheap" memorization required.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Yatakarasu on November 12, 2012, 05:56:59 AM
That was pretty hilarious. I completely lost it at the beginning and start of the boss fight.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sungho on November 12, 2012, 02:37:45 PM
The stage, the midboss, and the boss, and many others, it's very well made, very well designed, and lives up to it's Japanese title by a lot.
By the way, I really liked the 'I wouldn't like this kind of Touhou' videos in the playlist.(very liberal translation)

Does this person use ZUN's engine, or is the engine completely self-made?
Is this person different from the person who made the th12 Sakuya video?
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on November 12, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
All this trolling.

I can't.

BTW, about those fairies carrying energy walls... does the empty space they cross kill you, requiring you to hide in the blue bubbles?
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 12, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
I think they push you into the blue bubbles, and since you have the 1up chasing you, you need to move to a space far away from you.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Drake on November 12, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
Does this person use ZUN's engine, or is the engine completely self-made?
Is this person different from the person who made the th12 Sakuya video?
Very likely self-made, noticing the rendering differences, not counting graze and spell times, stuff like that.
Different; plus TH12 Sakuya was movie magic iirc, not playable.

Whether the fairies pushed you or not doesn't really matter, but killing instead of pushing would be better, and the very minimal vertical movement he made the first two times makes it likely he was concentrated more on getting away, so I'd bet they killed.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Nevindar on November 12, 2012, 07:49:13 PM
That was really cool. And here I thought Lunatic runs where amazing.
The end boss patterns looks really good and I like the way the very last stage was handled.

This really feels like Touhou in the spirit of IWBTG.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: shurcle on November 12, 2012, 08:42:37 PM
Should have known someone would talk about that here...

The killer 1-up thing was pretty silly. If it was made the 1-up came to you quickly if you were past the point of collect, it would have been more amusing.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Jaimers on November 12, 2012, 08:57:31 PM
Needed point items that would kill you too.

That would also add an additional layer of difficulty. !!!
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 12, 2012, 09:22:46 PM
From what I know, he has successfully hacked every Touhou game, and, for his major projects, uses a special hack of Fairy Wars that he has altered to add all kinds of extra functionality. The engine he used for this was most likely a version on his Fairy Wars hack.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Drake on November 12, 2012, 11:21:24 PM
From what I know, he has successfully hacked every Touhou game, and, for his major projects, uses a special hack of Fairy Wars that he has altered to add all kinds of extra functionality. The engine he used for this was most likely a version on his Fairy Wars hack.
Source please. All the little missing details and changes in basically every video point towards an original engine.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 13, 2012, 12:23:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mhg_yKB9sc&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=2&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mhg_yKB9sc&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=2&feature=plpp_video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxukn7umOpg&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=1&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxukn7umOpg&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=1&feature=plpp_video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3G-rZTy0c&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=3&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3G-rZTy0c&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=3&feature=plpp_video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6-SHXnoCgc&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=4&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6-SHXnoCgc&list=PLC92DCC07AAF25F79&index=4&feature=plpp_video)

These are collections of hacks (konna touhou wa iyada)

There are some others, but those use a prehacked engine.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sungho on November 13, 2012, 01:26:22 AM
Those videos are also done by the enigmatic person only known as yuke, and it was what I meant about the 'I wouldn't like this kind of Touhou' videos.

Still very hilarious.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Drake on November 13, 2012, 01:49:25 AM
But that's what I mean. His Mylist was even in my first post, stating he was yuke and that I'm familiar with his videos. Do you have any reason to believe they are hacks, Sparen? I certainly have reason to believe otherwise.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: EthanSilver on November 13, 2012, 05:12:32 AM
All the little missing details and changes in basically every video point towards an original engine.
AFAIK, none of the original games are built to support the wide-screen format occasionally showcased in his works. It would be easier to write a rendering engine from scratch than using assembly hacks to force the game and all of its elements and data into an entirely new display mode, and make the transition to it so seamless as well.

The fluidity of all new effects and mechanics would be hard to do as a straight-up assembly hack; I'd think there's a high-level programming language behind them instead. I was always under the impression he'd written a danmaku engine of his own and simply modifies the source as needed for his projects. Can't really say I have any sources to back me up though. ;)
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Kaze_Senshi on November 13, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
The fluidity of all new effects and mechanics would be hard to do as a straight-up assembly hack; I'd think there's a high-level programming language behind them instead. I was always under the impression he'd written a danmaku engine of his own and simply modifies the source as needed for his projects. Can't really say I have any sources to back me up though. ;)

I am also curious to know how he create these awesome videos. For me he was using danmakufuu or other engine to create them.

Did yuke made the [Touhou ?El Shaddai] series too? These videos are hilarious but they have more focus on dialog parts in the place of only focusing the gameplay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHTX-41zJUc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHTX-41zJUc&feature=related)
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 13, 2012, 10:12:50 PM
He made the El Shaddai ones, I think. And he is most certainly not using Danmakufu (It'd take a LOT of time and effort to get Danmakufu to run with those mechanics.)

Also, he's done works with all the games, so I think that if he made his own engine, it's only used in his major projects (The Wide screen one, etc.). I doubt that he made his own engine to show Icicle Fall with one ring of extra bullets in it.

Also, he used the same spellcards in his Danmaku Tutorial and in Unreasonable Mechanism, and I doubt that he'd completely rescript his code, so he's most definitely using the same script language for all of his major projects.

Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Drake on November 14, 2012, 12:34:13 AM
I'm guessing you missed the part in Icicle Fall where the Reimu and shot sprites are modern and the Cirno sprite is modern and the health bar and timer and capture status are modern and the cutins are modern and the spell circle is modern and the bubble bullets don't spin and the background isn't actually the normal background and the spell circle doesn't actually behave like the modern spell circle and Reimu isn't actually using an existing shot type. Sorry if I notice these things. I doubt that if you had your own Touhou-like engine ready to go, that you would ever even bother fiddling around with games at all rather than doing it the easy way that you're already familiar with, never mind fiddling with each game individually.

Did yuke made the [Touhou ?El Shaddai] series too? These videos are hilarious but they have more focus on dialog parts in the place of only focusing the gameplay.
You're missing out. They're mostly hilarious because of the dialogue.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Mew seeker on November 14, 2012, 03:11:45 AM
I have checked the original video at nico nico douga to check the Japanese comment.
The video description say something like "I have tried to make a not too easy, too hard moderate stage.
A "usual person" (there probably a better translation) who never tried it challenged it."

Of course in the comments there's a lot of "Wait, what?!", "lol", "eeeeeeeehhh!?".
At the part with the fairies, there was some "Master Spark!?" and also "The fairies are horrible!" X D
When the player finally clear a part that killed him a lot, there is a lot of "Oooooooohhhh". ^^
Many people said "Wait, what!?" at the killing 1up as well as some mentioning it was homing.
At the end, when the player is killed the first time by the boss coming,
you can see him switching to the various game over options quickly.
The text at the bottom say :
"At this point, my friend started getting mad/crazy."
I'm not sure he will be his friend for long. X D

Anyway, during the Marisa fight, there was some comment about how it was pretty
and also a few comment about liking the BGM.
There was some comment saying "NULLITY". Maybe it's its name? You probably know better than me. ^^;
After many failed at temps against the Great Wall spellcard,
the video started to record at the beginning, the comments said stuff like "No way!" "He beat it?".
When it reached back the Great Wall spell card, some people said "Kita" (at last/it came).
When he finally cleared the stage, there was a lot of 888888888888888888888888888888
because seriously, the player was awesome. : )

Oh, now that I think about it the description for the last difficulty level, "Heaven Mode" basically say :
"UWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!" X D
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2012, 04:06:23 AM
Finally remembered where I heard the music in the video before.

Both the stage theme and the boss theme are from ZUN's Strange Works (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN%27s_Strange_Works). The stage theme is 夢幻回廊 (Infinite Corridor) and the boss theme is 宵闇の魔術師 (Magician of the Twilight). Both songs can be downloaded at ZUN's site (http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/music_old.html) (the six songs at the bottom of the page).
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Kaze_Senshi on November 14, 2012, 12:14:55 PM
You're missing out. They're mostly hilarious because of the dialogue.

I was trying to say that even with the gameplay action, the dialogues from the videos are also hilarious but my english sux  :V

The best line is when he says "Daijoubu da, mondai nai"  :P
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Delfigamer on November 14, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
He made the El Shaddai ones, I think. And he is most certainly not using Danmakufu (It'd take a LOT of time and effort to get Danmakufu to run with those mechanics.)

Also, he's done works with all the games, so I think that if he made his own engine, it's only used in his major projects (The Wide screen one, etc.). I doubt that he made his own engine to show Icicle Fall with one ring of extra bullets in it.

Also, he used the same spellcards in his Danmaku Tutorial and in Unreasonable Mechanism, and I doubt that he'd completely rescript his code, so he's most definitely using the same script language for all of his major projects.
1. Probably he uses a secret MotK's thread that contains all game's content, including sprites, title screens, fonts etc. (hee- (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=197.0)hee)
2. Using this and ready touhou-like engine, it's not that hard to do all of this stuff. Much easier than write that engine. I'm writing one, so I know it.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Firestorm29 on November 14, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
I think that Nullity thing is because that's what is says instead of nullify on the player/bomb area ... Wonder if he did that on purpose?
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Jq1790 on November 14, 2012, 05:14:07 PM
Finally remembered where I heard the music in the video before.

Both the stage theme and the boss theme are from ZUN's Strange Works (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN%27s_Strange_Works). The stage theme is 夢幻回廊 (Infinite Corridor) and the boss theme is 宵闇の魔術師 (Magician of the Twilight). Both songs can be downloaded at ZUN's site (http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/music_old.html) (the six songs at the bottom of the page).
I downloaded those, but it doesn't play right at all.  I hear some instruments, but it doesn't actually sound anything like what's in the video...  Is there something I need to do with that .rcp file or whatever, or a special player I need to be using?
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Sparen on November 14, 2012, 09:58:53 PM
The themes sound pretty much the same using Quicktime7.

I don't know what to do with the .rcp files. Given that there isn't one for each (at least not in my download from his site), I'm assuming that the .mid and the .txt hold all the information you need.

P.S. @Drake: Sorry about all of the fuss about Yuke's engine. I really don't know anything about Windows programming, and I'm judging based off of the background graphics and how he used everything. I might be wrong, but I still doubt he created his own independent engine from scratch; at the very least, I think that he most definitely used part of ZUN's engines.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: cuc on November 15, 2012, 12:23:03 AM
I downloaded those, but it doesn't play right at all.  I hear some instruments, but it doesn't actually sound anything like what's in the video...  Is there something I need to do with that .rcp file or whatever, or a special player I need to be using?
It says right there on the web page, those files are written with the Roland SC-88Pro instrument, so they would only sound as intended with 88Pro hardware or sound font. The .RCP is just a MIDI file format favoured by Japanese musicians, so they are the same songs in .RCP format.

Sorry, I don't have the time to do the research. This is as far as I know. Given Touhou's fame, it's quite possible someone has recorded those songs using authentic hardware and uploaded them to the web, but whether you can find them is another issue.

The themes sound pretty much the same using Quicktime7.
Your QuickTime 7 probably just played the MIDI files with whatever default MIDI instrument your system has, and you may have something like Roland Canvas installed on your system (Windows themselves only come with a horrible General MIDI instrument; I have no idea about Macs), so the MIDI files come out better. Perhaps that's also how Yuke recorded his music for the video, as he doesn't necessarily have the authentic hardware either.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Delfigamer on November 15, 2012, 07:52:58 AM
P.S. @Drake: Sorry about all of the fuss about Yuke's engine. I really don't know anything about Windows programming, and I'm judging based off of the background graphics and how he used everything. I might be wrong, but I still doubt he created his own independent engine from scratch; at the very least, I think that he most definitely used part of ZUN's engines.
It is easier to write a new engine than to rebuild ZUN's.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Palewolf on November 15, 2012, 09:04:54 PM
Sorry, I don't have the time to do the research. This is as far as I know. Given Touhou's fame, it's quite possible someone has recorded those songs using authentic hardware and uploaded them to the web, but whether you can find them is another issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMIlpRZw09o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9ungQ6i0Y
The songs on youtube.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: Zork787 on November 26, 2012, 11:38:54 AM
PLEASE ENJOY YOUR UNZAN FISTING.

Speaking of Unzan fisting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h7Wdzmu98AE#t=477s)
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on November 26, 2012, 07:00:20 PM
Speaking of Unzan fisting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h7Wdzmu98AE#t=477s)

It's like an endless Lazy Susan of brofist.
Title: Re: WELCOME TO ARSEHOLE TOUHOU.
Post by: AJC on November 27, 2012, 08:23:14 PM
i had a good laugh at that one vid where marisa's master spark instead hits her instead  :D