[WC3 - DotS] General discussion thread I

[reVelske]

Man you are like Headcrabs :V Complain when it looks like you are losing, but if the ties turn you turn into a jerk :V

Well I was pretty pissed off with most parts of the game, and not like I was in a position to shittalk when we were getting thumped early. :V Besides, it was tactical shittalk I tell you, tactical shittalk.

[Captain Infinity]

DotA insanity

SENTINEL
TranceHime (ES) - Mid
Dormio (ES) - Mid
Tapsa (ES) - Mid
Infinity (ES) - Mid
Helepolis (ES) - Mid
SCOURGE
AI (ES) - Mid
AI (ES) - Mid
AI (ES) - Mid
AI (ES) - Mid
AI (ES) - Mid

[attach=1]

My epic DPS ES build was pro. Trance's KS'ing was imba, needs nerfing on his last hitting here.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

If only the replay could record our teamspeak conversation too.
What with Trance having orgasms every two minutes and whatnot.
And giggling like a girl between them.

[Rikter]

Inb4 some TH 13 char is rushed into DotS and there a broken AGI carry :V

[Helepolis]

Inb4 some TH 13 char is rushed into DotS and there a broken AGI carry :V

Why you do this Rikter =[

[Dr Rawr]

Why you do this Rikter =[

because we all know its true  :smug:

[Dular]

Do the Chinese Devs take suggestions for Heroes?  I had a good one involving Lily Wihte.

[Helepolis]

Do the Chinese Devs take suggestions for Heroes?  I had a good one involving Lily Wihte.

Chinese devs should first fix the existing ones :V Even the Chinese community isn't happy.

[Dr Rawr]

orz another close game....

Hakurei
Helepolis - Remilia
Pesco - Medicine
ApharmdB - Koa
Hero999 - Tenshi

Moriya
Dormio - Okuu
Infinity - Ran
Dular - Murasa
DrRawr - Koishi
 
also jerk infinity/hero999 D/C making it a 3v3in the end
[attach=1]

[Captain Infinity]

orz another close game....

Hakurei
Helepolis - Remilia
Pesco - Medicine
ApharmdB - Koa
Hero999 - Tenshi

Moriya
Dormio - Okuu
Infinity - Ran
Dular - Murasa
DrRawr - Koishi

also jerk infinity/hero999 D/C making it a 3v3in the end

T'was not my fault, Helepolis' hosting jerked me :ohdear: Since my connection was fine at the disconnection :V

[Helepolis]

I keep losing these last few games. Already have lose streak of 10 or something.

EMO

orz

[trancehime]

Chinese devs should first fix the existing ones :V Even the Chinese community isn't happy.

THIS

I keep losing these last few games. Already have lose streak of 10 or something.

don't feel bad, I've been losing almost all my games too :/

[Dular]

I keep losing these last few games. Already have lose streak of 10 or something.

EMO

Just keep being on Hakurei, Genji almost won it for you until Hero decided to disconnect.  I'm sure he'll win the next game for you.

[ApharmdB]

Chinese devs should first fix the existing ones :V Even the Chinese community isn't happy.

With that big list of "banned couples", I can see why. Maybe they could re-look at some of the character designs while they're balancing/fixing them. I was hoping to see Reimu using Fantasy Heaven instead of having an ultimate that's almost a clone of Sanae's.

[Dular]

Of course there were some couples in dota that were brutal.  Pudge+Yunero messed up the early game of ANY hero, Kunkka and Shendelzare could chain teleport someone into a tower and keep them there, Ezalor and Tiny just push tremendously hard, Crixalis and Puck forces the enemy team to take Crix's ult..

There are quite a lot of combination heroes that pretty much just synergize together well.  Shadow Priest and Sacred Warrior is horrifying to face, the problem is getting two people that know each other to play them, and in public games that shouldn't really happen.

[Rikter]

Whats this about Banned Couples for the Chinese? Anyone got a list?

[ApharmdB]

Whats this about Banned Couples for the Chinese? Anyone got a list?

Copypasta'd from DS

(Keine Mokou)(gank)
How to make Mokou become early-game broken, Keine will tell you how, with a Mokou that kamikaze bombs and gets her HP immediately returned. Or when Mokou smacks you passing by and randomly a cave-modo sensei from nowhere. Bye.

(Tenshi Minoriko)(heal + control)
What is a push? A wonderful pile of healing and MP. Gogo Mushroom stack Shinigami Tentacle Tacitus, I'm the strongest late game.

(Reimu Yukari)(support)
A DPS heroe's nightmare, Youmu begs forgiveness and Momiji wants to cry, Aya can't do anything and so is Koishi. Reisen is sad and Shizuha surrenders.

(Kanako Cirno) (heal + push)
Frog exterminators, mass detroying but unkillable Cirno right in your face while Kanako is just sitting there smacking towers.

(Yukari Nue)(team pressure)
A lot of people are complaining why Yukari's creep rain can't kill peeps, Nue is here for you. lololol there's a Yuugi who cares just crash land with a UFO. How likes to go solo now?

(Mystia Rumia) (gank)
While you were enjoying farming, somebody blinded you. Then some black ball is running towards you in the middle of the day, eitherway Rumia gets a good meal.

(Flandre Mystia/Medicine) (gank)
Someone said Flandre couldn't get fat? Mystia says mondainai, Medicine says I haz poison clouds.

(Utsuho Eirin) (gank + team)
Invisible nuker fest, throwing Utsuhos with Suika is already out of fashion, this is the 5th Gen already.

(Byakuren Komachi) (gank)
I do pray you can run away safely, inb4 Komachi soul reap.

(Hina Mokou) (gank + team)
How to get a fast first blood? The scariest broken couple in early game.

(Hina Youmu) (gank)
In this world feed does not exist, only ATMs.

(Yukari +Kogasa) (Team)
Creep rain as Kogasa scares people. Mass teleport and bring in a Kogasa in standby, surprise teleport stun! Who said this skill is lousy?

(Hina Kogasa) (team + gank)
We love to spin, we love to gank, we love to team fight, we love to ATM.

(Medicine Sanae) (team + support)
what to do when your team has 2 late game gankers? what to do when your mates can't get kills? This miracle slow couple says hi.

(Yuyuko Nue) (push + gank)
The thrills of instant creep wipe, the pressures of instant death, stuck, sleep and death in a package.

(Koakuma Ran)(Push+Team)
What, bounce? What, suddenly died? Do you dare come in a team?

(Murasa Kogasa) (gank)
Bug team, most probably you'll die randomly and can't do anything.

Like what Dular said, most of these involve some sort of coordination to get the skills to synergize well. It'd be interesting to see what heros the chinese community think of as truly broken by themselves though.

[Captain Infinity]

Of course there were some couples in dota that were brutal.  Pudge+Yunero messed up the early game of ANY hero, Kunkka and Shendelzare could chain teleport someone into a tower and keep them there, Ezalor and Tiny just push tremendously hard, Crixalis and Puck forces the enemy team to take Crix's ult..

There are quite a lot of combination heroes that pretty much just synergize together well.  Shadow Priest and Sacred Warrior is horrifying to face, the problem is getting two people that know each other to play them, and in public games that shouldn't really happen.

Sacred Warrior + Necrolyte is lulz, pretty much guaranteed kill.

[Rikter]

My brain got hurt trying to read the descriptions for why they are supposedly broken :/

[Helepolis]

don't feel bad, I've been losing almost all my games too :/

Let's form a new club Hime. The Lues Brothers

Just keep being on Hakurei, Genji almost won it for you until Hero decided to disconnect.  I'm sure he'll win the next game for you.

:V I could kick your ass on any side jerk $-san. And we summoned Genji when we had 158 faith, thinking game would end fast but it wouldn't because disconnects.

[trancehime]

Of course there were some couples in dota that were brutal.  Pudge+Yunero messed up the early game of ANY hero, Kunkka and Shendelzare could chain teleport someone into a tower and keep them there, Ezalor and Tiny just push tremendously hard, Crixalis and Puck forces the enemy team to take Crix's ult..

There are quite a lot of combination heroes that pretty much just synergize together well.  Shadow Priest and Sacred Warrior is horrifying to face, the problem is getting two people that know each other to play them, and in public games that shouldn't really happen.

Um

Two stunner dual lane, anyone?

[Helepolis]

Dular btw complained in the game yesterday we should decide at start of each game to allow Moriya thunder/Genji or not. What do you people think about this.

Basically, I personally don't care. I do agree Genji at early game can destroy instantly everything (especially with a solid synchronised team). But then again if Genji is available within 20min, it means the other side fed too much.

[Stuffman]

But then again if Genji is available within 20min, it means the other side fed too much.

While true, it's still not balanced because Moriya doesn't have a "Steamroll opponent" button if Hakurei feeds.

Genji really needs to scale somehow...

Anyway, I'm okay with banning Genji/Thunder.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I don't particularly care about that either.
If you can get Genji within 20 minutes, then you're likely going to win regardless of Genji.

I like the current system we've got going.
If someone has a problem with Genji/Lightning, say it before the game starts or it will be assumed that it is fair game.

[trancehime]

While true, it's still not balanced because Moriya doesn't have a "Steamroll opponent" button if Hakurei feeds.

Yes but while you can actually stop Genji if you play your cards right, you can't prevent a potential team kill if Thunder hits you right before a decisive clash.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Not to mention that killing Genji will net you around 900 gold.

[Messiah]

I forgot how to join channels, somebody help me 

Nvm, got it  :V

[Dular]

I'm not entirely sold on the 'if you can summon Genji at 20 minutes, your probably winning anyways.'

That would probably make Orin&Alice combo the most powerful characters since a destroyed tower gives about 40 faith.  If you got 0 kills and kill two towers, you can summon Genji.  Probably sooner if other members of get some kills.  If I was Alice and Orin was in another lane, we could probably summon Genji as soon as 10 minutes, then you'd REALLY be able to do nothing against Genji.

Additionally, what if the other team has about the same amount of kills and destroyedf a tower, and you summon Genji.  If both teams play tight, that typically means that the gate is STILL going to be destroyed because Genji at that stage is quite overpowered, even though late game he is a joke.

[Helepolis]

destroyed tower gives about 40 faith.

lol, no it doesn't. 15 faith or so it does.

[Ace-Royale]

Tested, the mid and right towers will give 15 faith, and a kill gives 5 faith. So in order to summon Genji by 20 minutes, Hakurei needs to push both mid and right tower and have 12 kills.

By 25-30 minutes though, mid is probably down, and right probably at half-hp. So all you need is to push right, which is not that hard, and have 10-11 kills. Summoning Genji isn't particularly hard, while it usually acts as the game-winner in many cases.