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Title: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on February 26, 2016, 12:05:42 PM
UPDATE2:
Release Date: Dec 8, 2016
Price:
Physical Edition: JPY 4700 (w/ tax)
Digital Edition: JPY 3800 (w/ tax)
First Printing Bonus Item: OST CD


In the still ongoing Nikenme Radio (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nikenme-radio) stream, ZUN and today's guest Unabara Iruka confirmed that Twilight Frontier is in the process of porting Touhou Shinpiroku ~ Urban Legend in Limbo. to the PlayStation 4 console. The game will "not be ported as is", and will have additional content.

No PS Vita port is planned at the moment.

EDIT:
Some details here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19341.msg1243382.html#msg1243382).

UPDATE1:
Reitaisai 13 reveal of Reisen here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19341.msg1256120.html#msg1256120).

Tasofro's page for PS4 version:
http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/

Trailer 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffrMJ-SDctU
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 26, 2016, 12:12:00 PM
Hopefully that additional content eventually comes to PC users as well.

Still, wow. Pretty damn big deal.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on February 26, 2016, 12:16:30 PM
I'm afraid.
I'm so afraid of this.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on February 26, 2016, 01:05:31 PM
Oh, wow. Hmm. Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: snowflake247 on February 26, 2016, 01:14:43 PM
Well, this is certainly some surprising news! I'll be interested to see how this goes, and what "additional content" will be added.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Quwanti on February 26, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
Neat! Curious to see what this additional content is.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: SuperVehicle-001 on February 26, 2016, 01:36:22 PM
I'm afraid.
I'm so afraid of this.

I can't help but agree. This is a big change in the status quo, and I'm not sure I like it.

Hopefully everything turns out OK. I mean, they'll add extra content (which is very likely to come to PC too) and they might even fix the game's netcode (big if, but an if nonetheless), but I can't stop being nervous.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on February 26, 2016, 02:26:05 PM
Some choice dialogue from the stream:
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ZUN: "What to release at Reitaisai", that's a big deal to me too.
ZUN: Got to secure my childcare leave this year, that's what I've been thinking.
ZUN: I'm hard at work doing all sorts of preparations for Reitaisai.
Okonogi: First you say childcare leave, then you say you are hard at work. You are losing me.

As they kept talking about what Tasofro is developing, they seemed to be building up to something... Until ZUN broke out that they are porting ULiL with addtional content.

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ZUN: No voices. It would be a pity if we add voices.
Okonogi: Fully voiced by ZUN.
Unabara: During ULiL's development, "let ZUN-san do the system voices" is a topic that came up many times.

Okonogi: It would be great if you can do the recitation voice.
ZUN: [Mimicking an audio book voice] "... thus Marisa said."

ZUN: No release for Vita?
Unabara: We are not considering that right now.

"Letting ZUN voice all of Touhou" is not as odd an idea as you may think. It may not come through in English translations, but as a matter of fact, all Touhou games' interface messages, descriptions, narrations and manuals are written in ZUN's masculine voice. When you play a Touhou game, you are essentially listening to him narrating the story.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Spotty Len on February 26, 2016, 03:36:31 PM
I wonder what it means for future official games.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on February 26, 2016, 03:41:05 PM
Mmmmm. Mmmm.
ZUN please don't tease us this hard.

EDIT: unless he's talking about ULiL's port.
Seems unlikely at first glance tho.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Nyxnyx on February 26, 2016, 04:11:44 PM
Things seems to be changing in Touhou scenes as a whole now. For the better I guess? Well I dunno lol. But let us hope that the next comiket Touhou would at least stand up to the sword guys.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Helepolis on February 26, 2016, 05:14:14 PM
"Letting ZUN voice all of Touhou" is not as odd an idea as you may think. It may not come through in English translations, but as a matter of fact, all Touhou games' interface messages, descriptions, narrations and manuals are written in ZUN's masculine voice. When you play a Touhou game, you are essentially listening to him narrating the story.
The way he said Hakurei Reimu and Ocult Ball in English made me lose it. Too perfect.  Didn't they called it a possible DLC as : Sexy Ossan Voice  ? :V

Also Cuc I was curious, what was the think about Reitaisai? Mid-edit: Never mind, after rereading carefully it answers my question

Unrelated to the stream, but in relation to PS4 > I noticed that Adventure of Scarlet Curiosity is being ported to PS4 too. Whoo!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Maple on February 26, 2016, 05:22:45 PM
What's up with the interest in Sony's Playstation and Vita, instead of microsoft or Nintendo products?  Not that i'm complaining, it's all the same for me since i only have a laptop and not any console.

Is it the (Japanese) market share of Sony or the ease to (re-)program software already made for PC, or something else altogether?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on February 26, 2016, 08:00:14 PM
What's up with the interest in Sony's Playstation and Vita, instead of microsoft or Nintendo products?  Not that i'm complaining, it's all the same for me since i only have a laptop and not any console.

Is it the (Japanese) market share of Sony or the ease to (re-)program software already made for PC, or something else altogether?

Pretty much the Playstation controller, as well as the console's arquitecture.
As far as I know, developing things in WiiU is kinda a pain. And.... XBox? What's that? (at least in Japan, rofl)

EDIT: PS2 as well was a huge success in Japan, so I guess it's something like a "standard"
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on February 26, 2016, 08:54:36 PM
HAKUREI REIMU

OCCALT BOLL
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Silent Harmony on February 26, 2016, 09:52:26 PM
Can somebody please explain how this is "scary" news because I just don't see it. ???

As far as I know, ZUN still has more-or-less total control over the Touhou franchise and even if he ports an official fighting game to console I honestly don't see how that's suddenly hearkening a total shift in the production and distribution of the series. Sony, Tasafro, and really anybody else cannot force him to do anything that he does not want to do himself; it's made it pretty clear at this point that he works on Touhou purely because he enjoys it and not for any sense of "profit" or "fame" or anything. If anything this is probably him trying to spread a fighting game onto console since last I check the Japanese population on average do not see the PC as a gaming platform in comparison to consoles, so I'd imagine a vast majority of JP fighting game players play on PS4 rather than PC.

Remember how DDC on Playism JP and Playism US were supposed to hearken a new age of Touhou digital distribution? Yeah...

Honestly I think people need to chill out. I have no idea what is spooky about this news, but if there's even a chance that it's sparked by some fear of ZUN "selling out" or something then trust me, he's probably the last famous indie developer you have to worry about at this point.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on February 26, 2016, 10:30:20 PM
Honestly I think people need to chill out. I have no idea what is spooky about this news, but if there's even a chance that it's sparked by some fear of ZUN "selling out" or something then trust me, he's probably the last famous indie developer you have to worry about at this point.

I know ZUN won't "sell us" or something like that but you know I still have the right to worry a bit, even when I know nothing will happen.
Look at it in perspective ? is the first official Touhou game that gets released in a platform different than PC. That's huge.
Of course I believe this is not a problem at all but is impressive.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 27, 2016, 12:16:05 AM
ZUN: No release for Vita?
Unabara: We are not considering that right now.

kek
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on February 27, 2016, 12:49:03 AM
I mean, they'll add extra content (which is very likely to come to PC too) and they might even fix the game's netcode (big if, but an if nonetheless), but I can't stop being nervous.
I hope for the same as well.  The prospect of Touhou being console-exclusive just doesn't sit well with me, and possibly many others.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: MetalStudios on February 27, 2016, 03:16:21 AM
I wonder if one day we all will fondly look back to the time when Touhou was just a doujinshi series
It'll be interesting to see where the series will go here on out, hopefully in a successful direction and ZUN seems pretty damn smart, I don't think we have to worry about any buy-outs or things as drastic as that.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Lollipop on February 27, 2016, 03:49:09 AM
I'm okay with this. The more fans, the better!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on February 27, 2016, 04:39:26 AM
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The prospect of Touhou being console-exclusive just doesn't sit well with me, and possibly many others.

This made me chuckle because when you really think about it, Touhou is a "console" exclusive. I consider PC to be a console and since Touhou is basically for the PC, it's a console exclusive. I welcome the move for TasFro to port their game to Playstation. Good on them for branching their game outside of the PC community.

To all you people who are worrying that ZUN is going to go big business because an official game is being released on Playstation, your worries are for naught. I don't see how releasing a game onto the Playstation store makes you a sellout. If anything, I hope that one day ZUN releases all of his games to mediums other than PC... spread the love and let Touhou grow bigger!

P.S - InB4 PS4 ULiL is only available on Japan Playstation store.  :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shadowlupus on February 27, 2016, 05:11:56 AM
This is definitely a BIG news. I also want to see what this additional content is. Maybe a new character/Urban Legend? That would be cool since IIRC,
the Urban Legend is still continuing in the manga.
Or we might get a challenge mode, or any interesting stuffs.

However, I have to bring up one interesting point.

IIRC, ZUN says that Touhou fighting games like IaMP, SWR, HM are considered to be semi-officials. Yes, he is the one making the story, dialogues, spell card names and other stuffs but Tasofro is also the one making the in-game background, animating characters' sprite and attacks so some of the in-game elements in the game cannot be used as reference (unless ZUN says so) like stages' appearance or what the skill/spell looks like.

So, this means ZUN is still circumventing the whole "bringing official Touhou game on the PS4" for now, as the fighting games are semi-official ones. I'm not saying this is bad thing. Who knows? he might be testing the water before moving on to bringing the genuine offical game on the PS4 in the future.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on February 27, 2016, 05:20:10 AM
P.S - InB4 PS4 ULiL is only available on Japan Playstation store.  :V
It likely will be exclusive, at least to start. There's a reason none of the other Play,Doujin! material is currently available outside japanese PSN. I think it's safe to assume ULiL will go through the same if not similar channels.

Is it the (Japanese) market share of Sony or the ease to (re-)program software already made for PC, or something else altogether?
Both, apparently. The PS4 devkit reportedly plays nicely with PC development, and just in general the Playstation userbase is large in Japan.

Remember how DDC on Playism JP and Playism US were supposed to hearken a new age of Touhou digital distribution? Yeah...
We still haven't seen the results of this experiment, really. It's hard to say what will happen, but I don't think it's a realistic expectation for things to be released digitally right away, and nobody knows if releasing old titles was ever a plan.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on February 27, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
We still haven't seen the results of this experiment, really. It's hard to say what will happen, but I don't think it's a realistic expectation for things to be released digitally right away, and nobody knows if releasing old titles was ever a plan.

We haven't seen the results, but I think it's reasonable to assume that if they were any good we'd have seen them try to release LoLK at some point after it was released. I doubt it takes that long to prepare for distribution, especially since it didn't seem to have any real changes.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: AlgaeNymph on February 27, 2016, 09:25:46 PM
"Letting ZUN voice all of Touhou" is not as odd an idea as you may think. It may not come through in English translations, but as a matter of fact, all Touhou games' interface messages, descriptions, narrations and manuals are written in ZUN's masculine voice.

What do you mean by "masculine voice?"  I haven't heard any voice acting in Touhou.  Does Japanese have masculine and feminine ways of speaking?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on February 28, 2016, 01:41:32 AM
Does Japanese have masculine and feminine ways of speaking?

Yes. It's usually pretty easy to tell. For the record, Marisa's famous "ze" is a masculine particle, so it makes her sound like a bit of a tomboy.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: AlgaeNymph on February 28, 2016, 01:44:01 AM
Yes. It's usually pretty easy to tell. For the record, Marisa's famous "ze" is a masculine particle, so it makes her sound like a bit of a tomboy.

I read the translations, so it's not easy for me to tell.  Waht should I look out for, assuming that comes through into English?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on February 28, 2016, 02:18:29 AM
The "voice" that cuc mentioned was referring to ZUN's narrative tone.

For translations though, Marisa is written to talk more casually, like she'll drop "g"s from the ends of words. (talking = talkin', etc.)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on February 28, 2016, 02:26:53 AM
I would say it's impossible to tell in most existing translations, both because English doesn't have any obviously gendered language markers and because the translations have been made by a variety of people with a variety of skill levels over the course of more than a decade.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on February 28, 2016, 10:42:59 AM
And here I thought that Marisa just had the speech patterns of an ol' regular southern cowgirl ya'll  :3

...

Cowgirl Marisa is best Marisa!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Leon゠Helsing on February 28, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
I just hope the new content won't end up like Astebreed did and remain exclusive there, rendering the original PC release gimped.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Prime32 on February 28, 2016, 04:02:19 PM
And here I thought that Marisa just had the speech patterns of an ol' regular southern cowgirl ya'll  :3

...

Cowgirl Marisa is best Marisa!
Climbed her way up from humble origins and proud of it, friends with everyone in town, likes her things big and flashy even when it grants no actual benefit, has fine taste in hats... Yeah, I never saw "Cowgirl Marisa" as a bad thing. :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Maple on February 28, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
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Cowgirl Marisa
It is weird if the first thing that came to mind was either cow kemonomimi Marisa or cow kemono/furry Marisa?

Anyway, it's time to make our outrageous and unrealistic bets on what we'll find in the game. Pick one or more:
Add your own.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on February 28, 2016, 10:29:31 PM
ZUN goes meta and makes Rumia playable with ex-Rumia as her materialized urban legend :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on February 29, 2016, 01:10:21 AM
I'd pretty much rule out the idea that Touhou is going to become console-exclusive, now or ever. Not only it would be very unlike ZUN to turn on his current fanbase and cut them off the future canon just to make money on the small fraction that is willing to buy PS4 for his games, but it would be poor business sense as well. This is the man who doesn't even entertain the thought of Touhou getting a potential official anime, regardless of how much money that would make for him.

Now, something like delaying the release between platforms like, say, Iowa in Kantai Kollection would be more plausible.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: SuperVehicle-001 on February 29, 2016, 02:33:17 AM
New playable characters

This is the bet I'll make. It's going to be one of the following: Clownpiece (because memes), Nue (because urban legends) or Raiko (because outside world). It's been only one year since ULiL released, so I doubt it's going to be a whole lot more than that.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on February 29, 2016, 05:02:12 AM
Nue had a chapter in FS about how she was feeling left out from ULiL. She even got her own urban legend associated with her. I think that makes it pretty unlikely that she'll show up though. If there's a new character, I'd imagine it'd be someone totally unrelated, like Mokou and Shinmyoumaru were.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on February 29, 2016, 05:09:55 AM
Nue had a chapter in FS about how she was feeling left out from ULiL. She even got her own urban legend associated with her. I think that makes it pretty unlikely that she'll show up though.

Aaaaand I still don't know why ZUN left Nue out of the game.
She's literally an urban legend herself.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Nyxnyx on February 29, 2016, 04:08:30 PM
Wish for Kaguya, Reisen, Tewi :D Maybe throw in more chireiden casts since they barely got any screen time at all. Orin is one the few stage 5 boss that's not made playable yet.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: notext on February 29, 2016, 07:52:39 PM
This is interesting. It's happening in baby steps, but we've now got one Touhou game released on an english site, one doujin game released for PS4 getting localised and an official Touhou game preparing to get ported. It's a short step from there to an actual official English localisation. Which may not happen, but from what I understand the obstacle preventing mainline Touhou games from getting localised is really just that ZUN would prefer to work on something new that go through the old things with external partners. That may not be such an issue for Tasofro. Of course, if the issue really is with localisation itself then it's a moot point.

Idiotic character speculation follows, feel free to ignore:

I'm fairly sure the characters that go into the game go in for gameplay reasons, not story reasons - the scenario is then written from that base. There's also the drive to provide characters from a broad section of the series, particularly the current era and specifically characters that haven't been included in previous fighting games. IaMP and SWR came with the first windows trilogy, so as Hopeless Masquerade was a fresh start as far as sprites were concerned it contained a broad sample of characters from the more recent games in the series - one from MOF, one from SA, two from UFO, three from TD. That's why you had characters like Nitori and Koishi in the mix, they represented the modern Touhou era and hadn't shown up in the fighting games previously. ULiL just expanded the range of games that were being drawn from, adding in one character from the most recent game and one from the game (excluding PoFV as a competitive game itself) prior to Mountain of Faith.

If adding characters is what they're doing (and that's pure speculation at this point), I'd anticipate a Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom character, maybe an extra one from Double Dealing Character and maybe even one from Perfect Cherry Blossom if they're working backwards as well. I'm not sure who they could add from PCB though unless it was a character who'd already appeared in a fighting game, all the cool characters were in IaMP. If there's that the most recent trilogy is about though, it's reconciling the characters and settings of the earlier windows games with the gameplay of the more recent ones. So it wouldn't be completely out there.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 08:44:43 PM
I will buy a PS4 the moment this is announced available outside of Japan. I hope nothing goes horribly wrong, but I'm optimistic.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on March 01, 2016, 01:21:51 AM
Sagume would actually be an incredibly interesting choice, since she's both from LoLK and deeply connected to the plot of ULiL. She could stand in as an Extra boss of sorts, confronted later in a separate story mode.

That's a huge longshot though. And frankly meeting her at all would require major plot events.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Rp97 on March 02, 2016, 05:19:49 PM
Come on we all know that this will be the great return of Mima; seriously I think there is a chance because having ULiL already is storyline that with an additional character may need to be rewrote and being only semi-Canon, Zun may make her one of those Vs mode only characters without the need of fit her in the Windows storyline that if I remember well was the main problem with Mima
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on March 02, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
It's a bit sad what being a Mima fan apparently does to your mind.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on March 02, 2016, 11:03:15 PM
I suppose anyone before LoLK qualifies to be added considering that many of the cast only followed their interests and didn't even meet Sumireko, but if i had to expect someone, it's Kaguya or Wriggle, since they are in the same "scrapped from Hisoutensoku" boat as Mokou and Nitori. Maybe Ran if ZUN really wants to throw the Yakumo as overseers without re-using Yukari (and finally showing Ran doing something :V), or Yuugi since she really seems to be done for a fighter.

Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chirumiru-chan on March 02, 2016, 11:46:46 PM
Eep! Will this have a US translation? I'm so happy rn! Will DDC finally get translated too?

What will it be rated?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: DeityDiz93 on March 10, 2016, 06:40:25 AM
Ah well, I'm open-minded about this myself as, I didn't expect Touhou to continue to be relevant on the  PS4 for awhile, so this really did tell me otherwise. Touhou does seem to be growing and getting its feet wet with new things as of recent, so I'm honestly okay as I know that when these things get announced that they're in good hands.

I'm curious to see where it will go when it's released, but it's definitely quite the news, and I'm looking hoping more updates on this. I wish them the best in their effects to bring Touhou 14.5 ULiL to the PS4. ^^
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on March 24, 2016, 10:13:26 AM
March's Nikenme Radio show has come and gone, giving us little new info about Touhou. Instead, I'm posting more details from the February announcement.

1) ZUN said ULiL PS4 has plenty of work that only he can do, and it is a special game in every sense of the word. Well, that's not exactly saying much.

2) The language he used about voice acting was so severe it's funny. "Adding voices would be a huge disappointment. I'll do my best to prevent it." Makes me wonder whether he thinks the players have a strong demand for voice acting, or if Sony has been pressing them for that.

3) On new character(s): ZUN said you can't just add random characters to the game. He might add someone who makes people suspect "something has begun."

4) There will be more info on ULiL PS4 at Reitaisai. Also probably at Reitaisai: flyers for Vol. 2 of Strange Creators of Outer World.

5) On manga (hope you've been keeping up): ZUN said the February chapter of Forbidden Scrollery is interesting, and the following March and April chapters of FS, and the next WaHH will all be interesting. We will see some changes in FS's story. He sounded unconfident. Okonogi: "You feeling nervous?" ZUN: "Quite."

6) Okonogi also had an announcement to make: ZUN will have plenty of things to write this year, and by things to write, he didn't mean more CoLA. Considering it's unlikely for ZUN to start a fifth serialization, and it doesn't seem the right time for a third Akyuu's book, this new thing sounds like another book on Gensokyo that's not written by Akyuu. In fact, Unabara reasoned that it might be a new Grimoire of Marisa on the spot, a thought no doubt shared by many fans.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chirumiru-chan on March 24, 2016, 04:36:45 PM
March's Nikenme Radio show has come and gone, giving us little new info about Touhou. Instead, I'm posting more details from the February announcement.

1) ZUN said ULiL PS4 has plenty of work that only he can do, and it is a special game in every sense of the word. Well, that's not exactly saying much.

2) The language he used about voice acting was so severe it's funny. "Adding voices would be a huge disappointment. I'll do my best to prevent it." Makes me wonder whether he thinks the players have a strong demand for voice acting, or if Sony has been pressing them for that.

3) On new character(s): ZUN said you can't just add random characters to the game. He might add someone who makes people suspect "something has begun."

4) There will be more info on ULiL PS4 at Reitaisai. Also probably at Reitaisai: flyers for Vol. 2 of Strangers from Outer World.

5) On manga (hope you've been keeping up): ZUN said the February chapter of Forbidden Scrollery is interesting, and the following March and April chapters of FS, and the next WaHH will all be interesting. We will see some changes in FS's story. He sounded unconfident. Okonogi: "You feeling nervous?" ZUN: "Quite."

6) Okonogi also had an announcement to make: ZUN will have plenty of things to write this year, and by things to write, he didn't mean more CoLA. Considering it's unlikely for ZUN to start a fifth serialization, and it doesn't seem the right time for a third Akyuu's book, this new thing sounds like another book on Gensokyo that's not written by Akyuu. In fact, after Okonogi said that, Unabara reasoned that it might be a new Grimoire of Marisa, a thought no doubt shared by many fans.
So no Shinki or Mima? Damn...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on March 24, 2016, 11:16:48 PM
I'm kinda hyped right now. Wondering if he's finally going to add new characters to ULiL's roster. And what about that new book...?
(I wish he's still preparing a new Hifuu club CD for Reitaisai)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chirumiru-chan on March 24, 2016, 11:22:16 PM
I'm kinda hyped right now. Wondering if he's finally going to add new characters to ULiL's roster. And what about that new book...?
(I wish he's still preparing a new Hifuu club CD for Reitaisai)
Sadly there will be no Shinki as she has nothing to do with the game. What about Rin Satsuki? Nah, she won't work...
YUKARI PLEASE BE PLAYABLE
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: jorjorbinks on March 25, 2016, 04:18:37 AM
Woah. A PS4 port alone is great. But... MORE CONTENT!?!?!? I'm dying inside right now.
 :getdown:
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on March 25, 2016, 04:26:37 AM
If its Yukari, that would explain why she didn't do anything about this incident. Because she was do busy solving this incident.

Or, it will be Nue.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: jorjorbinks on March 25, 2016, 04:30:18 AM
If its Yukari, that would explain why she didn't do anything about this incident. Because she was do busy solving this incident.

Or, it will be Nue.
It's really surprising she didn't do anything with the border and whatnot.
Also, what makes you think it'd be Nue? Just curious. (Oh, the possibilities are overwhelming)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on March 25, 2016, 04:45:35 AM
Because Nue is Mamizou's best pal and Mamizou is kind of important to all of the religious shit.

Also i belief the canonical reason why Yukari did jackshit was because she felt that she didn't need to do anything about it. Which is true, because Reimu solved it handily.
But on the other hand its lazy writing that she didn't seem to have any reaction at all considering she cares about the border. Guess she's just a hypocrite on top of her being a abusive parent.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: jorjorbinks on March 25, 2016, 05:31:39 AM
Because Nue is Mamizou's best pal and Mamizou is kind of important to all of the religious shit.

Also i belief the canonical reason why Yukari did jackshit was because she felt that she didn't need to do anything about it. Which is true, because Reimu solved it handily.
But on the other hand its lazy writing that she didn't seem to have any reaction at all considering she cares about the border. Guess she's just a hypocrite on top of her being a abusive parent.
I keep forgetting those two are buddies  :derp:
Also, I can see Yukari just spectating onto the whole thing. Dang hypocrites.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on March 25, 2016, 08:06:02 PM
Keep in mind that Nue is an urban legend herself. Although she did take part in the urban legends incident (two Forbidden Scrollery chapters).
I hope to see Sagume and Yukari ? Sagume's self-explanatory, and Yukari.... well, I think she's the one behind all this human village affair that's currently going on in Forbidden.

Let's see tho, nothing is fully confirmed yet.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shizzo on March 25, 2016, 09:34:49 PM
I want a Sagume TLB route.  That would be pretty sweet!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on March 26, 2016, 05:53:45 AM
Can we take this as a confirmation that there will indeed be new characters?

Yukari likely has as low chance at being playable again, since ZUN wants to give priority to those who doesn't have a chance yet.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on March 26, 2016, 06:41:03 AM
If its Yukari, that would explain why she didn't do anything about this incident. Because she was do busy solving this incident.

Or, it will be Nue.

Not really sure if Nue would fit in, since a plot point in her chapter pretty much states that she got left out of the fun, and technically her associated urban legend isn't a "real" one.
But that depends on the plot of the new story that's been hinted at, since ZUN doesn't want to add just anyone.

From a gameplay point of view I personally don't want to see Yukari again though, I'm in the camp that kinda wants to see someone underused get some spotlight.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chirumiru-chan on March 26, 2016, 12:34:36 PM
Wriggle and Kaguya? They're in the scrapped from Hisoutensoku boat.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on March 26, 2016, 02:37:22 PM
I'm sure Kaguya can easily get in with a moon-related urban legend/myth, such as the "moon is actually an alien satellite/spaceship" belief.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Tiamat on March 26, 2016, 03:32:39 PM
Yukari not participating is already explained in Marisa's Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom ending, albeit in a semi-vague cryptic manner.   Far as I recall, Marisa calls her out for not participating and Yukari implies she didn't participate because she didn't see it as a threat (possibly more specifically, that Gensokyo can change from something like that and it wouldn't be a big deal), making Marisa wonder (and kinda get scared at) what the heck would have to constitute as a threat to get Yukari to participate if that incident wasn't threatening enough.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on March 26, 2016, 09:50:36 PM
Making Marisa wonder (and kinda get scared at) what the heck would have to constitute as a threat to get Yukari to participate if that incident wasn't threatening enough.

If I remember correctly, ZUN said that this whole "Earth invasion incident" wasn't really serious. Like, there are heavenly super powerful gods among Lunarians. If they really wanted to purify Gensokyo/make it disappear, not even Gensokyo residents would notice.
Maybe that's why Yukari's not really interested at all.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on March 27, 2016, 11:52:28 AM
If I remember correctly, ZUN said that this whole "Earth invasion incident" wasn't really serious. Like, there are heavenly super powerful gods among Lunarians. If they really wanted to purify Gensokyo/make it disappear, not even Gensokyo residents would notice.
Maybe that's why Yukari's not really interested at all.

You're mixing things up a bit: he did say that there are higher gods on the moon that we've never met (ie: Eirin isn't all that important), and also that the Lunarians could wipe out humanity without us even noticing, but they weren't connected thoughts. Sagume, who is presumably one of these middle management gods who aren't all that important, could've wiped out humanity whenever she wanted to, but she didn't so she enacted this other invasion plan.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on March 27, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
You're mixing things up a bit: he did say that there are higher gods on the moon that we've never met (ie: Eirin isn't all that important), and also that the Lunarians could wipe out humanity without us even noticing, but they weren't connected thoughts. Sagume, who is presumably one of these middle management gods who aren't all that important, could've wiped out humanity whenever she wanted to, but she didn't so she enacted this other invasion plan.

Oh, I see, thanks for pointing that out.
It still doesn't invalidate my point tho ;(
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chirumiru-chan on March 27, 2016, 09:17:35 PM
Will Renko and Merry be playable?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on March 28, 2016, 01:52:13 AM
Most certainly, they will not. I can hardly think of any characters with more various reasons to not be playable than those two  :V.

That said, much as I don't like the "it was beneath Yukari" explanation (as it cheapens the biggest crisis in Gensokyo to date just to pimp her up), the solution to involve her in the events without making her actually playable is obvious. And indeed, it's about time Ran got some spotlight and a set of spell cards not imitating Yukari's - she could be silently checking up on the barrier, encounter some characters on the way (most notably Mamizou) and finally find some early clue for the next incident.

If ZUN felt especially brave, he could use the foxball from WaHH as her urban legend and involve Fox!Marisa somehow - with the most mindblowing twist possible being that said kitsune imitating Marisa would be Ran herself.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on March 28, 2016, 02:22:15 AM
(as it cheapens the biggest crisis in Gensokyo to date just to pimp her up)
The occult ball incident wasn't really any worse than any other incident, Sumirenko didn't really prove that much of an threat to Gensokyo to be honest other than opening a small hole in Gensokyo. And the Lunar "Invasion" was really just a pol to trick Reimu and co. into helping the Lunars get back their home. If they REALLY wanted Genoskyo, they would have sent the Moonbitches from Silent Sinner in Blue to wipe Gensokyo out with one hand behind their backs.

Also that explanation doesn't really pimp Yukari up, in fact it does the opposite and makes her look like a hypocritical idiot who'll beat up some random spoiled rich girl just because she broke some oldass dirty shrine. But does nothing about the temporal breakage of the thing that is her job to monitor. It also doesn't change the fact that not using a character who's enter purpose is to monitor the fucking border in a game where said border gets broken, makes ZUN look like a lazy writer. (Still a better writer than 99% of the other writers who work in the games industry thou.)

But if Ran Yakumo is the playable character. Then all of that will be fixed, Yukari won't be a hypocrite anymore, ZUN won't be considered lazy anymore, people won't have arguments over Yukari anymore. And the world will be at peace. Also it would be awesome.

#RANYAKUMOFORPS42K16
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on March 28, 2016, 04:30:07 AM
My impression of Yukari's comments in LoLK was that they were meant to call into doubt what we think we know about her (particularly her motivations). The assumption that of course she'd get involved whenever the barrier is threatened and of course she'd help protect Gensokyo from outside threats is exactly what Marisa brought into the conversation, and exactly what terrified her when she realized she was wrong. Ultimately the purpose of the scene was to reposition Yukari as an unknown/potential-villain instead of a background Big Good who we can rely on to pop up and fix everything with a wave of her hand when things get serious. It puts the youkai back in youkai, something that's been a long term project of late, particularly in the comics.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on March 28, 2016, 05:35:48 AM
Oh yeah, that too.

#Yukariforbestvillain2k16
#ScrewBillCipher
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TableCloth on March 28, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
#Yukariforbestvillain2k16
I will wholeheartedly support this.

#Yukari4ps4ULiL plz
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: 7TC7 on March 28, 2016, 12:37:50 PM
Yukari probably just slept through ULiL the same way she slept through PCB and the breaking of the Barrier between the Netherwold and Gensokyo. (Did she ever actually fix that one?) She's been visibly awake and around since then. It wouldn't be too much of a suprise for her to take a good old nap.

I am however in full support of her or Ran taking actions. I much more expect her to reappear in CoLA and meet Sumireko that way, though. She was one of the more regular visitors of the shop.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Maple on March 28, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
3) On new character(s): ZUN said you can't just add random characters to the game. He might add someone who makes people suspect "something has begun."
Based on this, i'll do the process of elimination. I'm almost sure that ZUN will do something new (story-wise), so he won't recycle old plots.
Ignoring the already discussed Yukari and Nue, i don't know if the PS4 version will be simultaneous with the PC version (so no LoLK characters because they weren't introduced yet) or the new material happens later, Hisoutensoku-style (a chance for LoLK characters)
*I consider that the residents of the SDM and Hakugyokurou are too well-stablished
*Team ⑨ is full of bakas.
*Letty couldn't work in a long plot because is only active on the winter.
*From Eientei: Eirin is a mastermind, someone who would send others to fight, Kaguya is a NEET refined princess that wouldn't fight by herself (unless we are talking about Mokou), Tewi is too minor.
*Suika is just a drunkard.
*Yuuka and Medicine are too absorbed in their hobbies.
*The innumerable gods of Youkai Mountain wouldn't influence in a major plot
*Aya and Hatate would work better doing the generic work of paparazzi journalism, but not being involved in a notable incident. I don't see Momiji as someone who would go out to beat people in a incident.
*The Moriya shrine could plot a new conspiracy, but it would almost certainly be on the excuse of gathering faith, too predictable.
*Tenshi is an spoiled girl and Iku her nanny. They wouldn't attempt something new.
*The underground residents are in their own secluded world, not much of a reason to go out in Gensokyo. (except for Koishi because she's Koishi)
*If they need output from the Buddhist and Taoist factions, they have the already-present playable characters.
*Kogasa's modus vivendy is (attempting) to scare people. A simple girl with simple motivations, but too predictable.
*Waggysaggy couldn't work properly out of the water
*Nobody cares for the Tsukumos.
*Seija already has her own game, and simple motivations (too bad, her contrariness could be comedy gold).
*Aside of Kasen, the manga-intruduced characters don't have the physical or magical prowess to fight, nor too much motivation to pick up fights on people on the level of the already-seen characters (eg. Byakuren, Miko, Reimu, Marisa) as if it was nothing. Except for the moonbitches, they are too OP.

My predictions:
Keine (low probability, could do something to protect humans but not much), Reisen (the one that does all the heavy work for Eientei), Komachi/Eiki (low for Komachi as she was already playable in a fighter game, better probability for Eiki, who could do something in reference to the newly-introduced Hecatia), Seiga (low probability, seen by others as 2evil4u, could have some fun for herself), Sekibanki/Kagerou (Moderate probability, they are relatively new and fresh, they could do something to scare off the human population).
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on March 28, 2016, 10:13:57 PM
*From Eientei: Eirin is a mastermind, someone who would send others to fight, Kaguya is a NEET refined princess that wouldn't fight by herself (unless we are talking about Mokou), Tewi is too minor.
This is actually untrue, she fights by herself in IN, In fact its the opposite for Eirin, who has Kaguya help her while fighting the main heroines.
She pretty lazy otherwise thou.

Also Seiga would be fucking awesome. Love that little sexy badass evil devil hermit.

#Seigabestvillain2k16
#ScrewYakumoYukari
#2Evil4You

Yukari probably just slept through ULiL the same way she slept through PCB and the breaking of the Barrier between the Netherwold and Gensokyo. (Did she ever actually fix that one?) She's been visibly awake and around since then. It wouldn't be too much of a suprise for her to take a good old nap.
Sure theres that theory too. But thats a boring theory IMO. Here's a more interesting one: Yukari was awake THE ENTIRE TIME and actually helped Sumirenko cause the incident, why? So that she could study how the new kids in town (The Taoists and The Buddhists) would react to an major league incident! It was all a test!

(Also no she never fixed that one, #Yukariformostlazyvillain2k16)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on March 28, 2016, 10:59:39 PM
Yukari probably just slept through ULiL the same way she slept through PCB and the breaking of the Barrier between the Netherwold and Gensokyo. (Did she ever actually fix that one?)
Before the barrier was broken, usually people were only able to visit the Netherworld once they had died. People can still go there, so it's still broken. Anyways, it's not really about "thing that needs to be fixed but isn't being fixed", but rather "does this thing even need to be fixed in the first place? no? ok then". The important thing is that "the barrier between the Netherworld and Gensokyo was thinned" is just the explanation for the Netherworld opening up as a location that was previously inaccessible. This is pretty much the same narrative action as "Kaguya lifted the spell of eternity from Eientei", "a geyser erupted and things happened"; they serve the same purpose.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ZXNova on March 28, 2016, 11:32:00 PM
The only characters I can see being playable are Kaguya and Nue. Nue fits the ULiL theme perfectly, she even has devised her own urban legend in FS, and Kaguya because she can 'prelude' the events of LoLK since Kaguya and Eirin knew of what was happening before. Now I think Eirin is likely too, but I think Kaguya would be more likely since was at one point intended to be in Soku. Though, I wonder if the same thing for why Kaguya wasn't put in Soku would happen again (i.e. too many final bosses!). If that were the case though, the same logic would apply to Nue as well.

Then again, the ULiL cast is this:
Reimu, Marisa, Koishi, Kokoro, Mamizou, Kasen, Shinmyoumaru, Mokou, Ichirin, Futo, Miko, Byakuren, Nitori, Sumireko
2 mains characters
3 extras
4 final bosses
2 stage 3s
1 stage 5
2 new(ish) characters (1 being a final boss)

This game already has 4(5) final bosses, so to add another final boss (Kaguya/Eirin) might be adding too much... It could possibly be Tewi, but that wouldn't make much sense...

So obviously the answer is Rin Satsuki.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on March 29, 2016, 01:49:17 AM
I don't think either Kaguya or Nue would make me suspect that something was happening.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on March 29, 2016, 04:29:09 AM
She pretty lazy otherwise thou.
Inaba shows her to be pretty hardworking at times.

inb4Inabaisnotcanon
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Ozzter on March 29, 2016, 06:18:19 AM
Oh hey, potential new ULiL character?
From a personal standpoint, I would love to see more DDC representation in the game, even though the suspicion hint kinda rules a bunch out to me, considering most of the DDC cast are usually docile if I remember correctly. Seija I feel could fit in that description, and maybe even Raiko, if not that, then because of her connections with the outside world? She might be too clunky though with the drumset and all. Otherwise I too kinda feel Nue is a potential because of both her being such a mysterious creature, and her inherant troublemaker attitude.

Pretty excited for this though, gonna buy it as soon as it gets released.

Edit: Though now that I think about it, because of their docility, they could be suspicious as they were during DDC... but obviously I'm overthinking it and have bias towards DDC, haha.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chirumiru-chan on April 02, 2016, 03:00:13 PM
Rin Satsuki had to be thrown out due to time constraints and ZUN pretty much implied she won't be coming back. However, if we can ask ZUN to draw what she was going to look like for us, that'd be nice.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on April 02, 2016, 05:59:34 PM
Rin Satsuki had to be thrown out due to time constraints and ZUN pretty much implied she won't be coming back. However, if we can ask ZUN to draw what she was going to look like for us, that'd be nice.

It is kinda offtopic but, tbh, ZUN didn't even remember Rin when someone asked for her in... AWA, maybe?
So my bet is that probably he doesn't remember her design anyway lol
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chirumiru-chan on April 02, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
It is kinda offtopic but, tbh, ZUN didn't even remember Rin when someone asked for her in... AWA, maybe?
So my bet is that probably he doesn't remember her design anyway lol
He could look through his stacks of old concept art if he still has them, but that's just a guess.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on April 03, 2016, 03:10:47 AM
I'm not sure he even has concept art, depending on how far into the process her scrapped her. Whenever he discusses his development process, it seems like he basically makes things up as he goes along. Like, he doesn't design all the characters before making the game, he just goes through the stages one by one, decides on the thematic elements of the stage, comes up with music to fit the themes, and then designs a character to fit the music he just wrote. It wouldn't surprise me if he came up with Rin's shottypes before he even had a picture of her in his head.

And even if he did draw it, it's likely it's been thrown away by now, along with all the other rejected designs we never hear about and he never thinks about.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on April 03, 2016, 05:42:31 PM
It is kinda offtopic but, tbh, ZUN didn't even remember Rin when someone asked for her in... AWA, maybe?
So my bet is that probably he doesn't remember her design anyway lol

To be fair, he doesn't need to remember her design. If he were to have her "return" he could just give her a new one.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Prime32 on April 03, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
To be fair, he doesn't need to remember her design. If he were to have her "return" he could just give her a new one.
Why stop there? He could give her a new surname, like with Alice and Yuuka.

...wait a minute.
Quote
(http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/a/a5/Th11Rin.png)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on April 04, 2016, 02:29:20 PM
What if Rin Kaenbyou is indeed Rin Satsuki "resurrected?"

0_0
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on April 04, 2016, 03:23:28 PM
What if Rin Kaenbyou is indeed Rin Satsuki "resurrected?"

0_0

Would probably be worse off for her, still not being playable.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: notext on April 04, 2016, 10:37:16 PM
It's entirely possible that any ideas he may have had for a character called Rin Satsuki were cannibalised into one of the other characters from that era, like Sakuya or Youmu. Sometimes early ideas just get replaced with better ones.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Starxsword on April 05, 2016, 01:04:47 AM
If Kaguya joins, I would definitely think something was up. She rarely ever leaves the Bamboo Forest.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on April 05, 2016, 02:31:38 AM
Not by choice, presumably.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on April 05, 2016, 03:10:03 AM
If Kaguya joins, I would definitely think something was up. She rarely ever leaves the Bamboo Forest.

Well you could argue that Mokou being there kinda makes it less suspicious, they are supposed to fight quite often.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on April 05, 2016, 03:39:58 AM
If Kaguya joins, I would definitely think something was up. She rarely ever leaves the Bamboo Forest.
She enjoys going outside, so it makes sense for her to participate in incidents that interest her.

inb4Inabaisnotcanon
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Prime32 on April 05, 2016, 11:35:31 AM
Eirin going outside would be more alarming.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Nyxnyx on April 05, 2016, 11:27:40 PM
If Tewi goes outside, you know someone's gonna get tricked into a scam, by a really cute bunny in a pink gown <3 usa
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on April 06, 2016, 11:30:00 PM
She enjoys going outside, so it makes sense for her to participate in incidents that interest her.

inb4Inabaisnotcanon

Inaba is canon. But i don't remember Kaguya ever going outside the bamboo forest in that manga.
Eirin going outside would be more alarming.
No it wouldn't, she would do anything for Kaguya, that includes going outside.

And finally, Rin Satsuki is dead, deal with it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on April 07, 2016, 04:07:32 AM
Inaba is canon. But i don't remember Kaguya ever going outside the bamboo forest in that manga.
I know it's canon.  I said that as a joke due to ZUN giving its author lots of freedom, thus leading some to say that it shouldn't be considered true canon.

There are chapters about Kaguya going outside in an ox-pulled cart and another one where she goes fishing, both times on her own accord.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Tiamat on April 07, 2016, 05:18:40 AM
The ox cart was first mentioned here by the way in case anyone wanted to know.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Kaguya


(as a random aside, the 2nd Eientei expedition in Inaba was also foreshadowed in PMiSS)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Starxsword on April 07, 2016, 08:28:16 AM
Well yeah, she leaves the Bamboo forest, but it is pretty rare. She was also seen in the Human Village in Hopeless Masquerade.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: boredom on April 25, 2016, 03:02:42 PM
this is ok tbh
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: MinakoHouraisan on April 25, 2016, 06:59:57 PM
I would honestly love Kaguya to be playable.

But I doubt that would happen. Plus I don't have a PS4 either.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: monhan on May 01, 2016, 12:31:52 PM
PS4 Port of ULiL will be available for play at Play!Doujin's booth at Reitaisai 13
http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/47465647.html

From Tasofro's diary entry, it's apparently a demo with only Reimu and Marisa being playable. The full release will probably be later in future cons.

Meanwhile, Tasofro won't have any new item to show on their booth.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: gargamesh on May 08, 2016, 04:30:40 AM
Ummm guys......
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/110000023097364480/178722824884715521/Reisen.png)

REISEN CONFIRMED Y'ALL
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on May 08, 2016, 04:46:09 AM
Ummm guys......
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/110000023097364480/178722824884715521/Reisen.png)

REISEN CONFIRMED Y'ALL
So a few more characters and we'll probably be looking at an expansion to ULiL, similar to what Hisoutensoku was to SWR. Now for the waiting game...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 08, 2016, 04:48:54 AM
So a few more characters and we'll probably be looking at an expansion to ULiL, similar to what Hisoutensoku was to SWR. Now for the waiting game...

I hope so. It would be LAME and BORING if it was just Reisen. She literally has no personality.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: nyttyn on May 08, 2016, 04:54:55 AM
I hope so. It would be LAME and BORING if it was just Reisen. She literally has no personality.

She has plenty personality but it'd be lame for another reason: Reisen's got a load of screen time recently and a playable slot, and it's just kinda lame she's getting the slot here.

Not that I don't like her but it'd be cool if someone who wasn't in the spotlight recently got a chance, or at least someone who hasn't been playable before.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 08, 2016, 04:57:24 AM
She has plenty personality
No, her personality is literally just "Her personality changes in different situations."

She's pretty boring.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ToyoRai on May 08, 2016, 05:01:25 AM
Disappointed that it is the plain summer suit Reisen. Seriously, the winter suit Reisen is several times better.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 08, 2016, 05:02:59 AM
Ah, so Reisen comes here to tie up the Occult Ball plot.

At the very best Tasofro will release everything new to the PS4 version in a PC update, but that's honestly not generally how they do new version-exclusive features in Japan, especially if they are in Sony's pay. If they eventually make a full expansion pack or sequel down the line, Reisen is also guaranteed to be in it.

At the very worst, ULiL for PS4 will be the last Touhou fighting game in a while, and Reisen will stay a PS4 exclusive. This is not impossible - in the Strange Creator interview, Unabara said he had finally accomplished his goal in fighting game design with ULiL, and he may do something different next.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on May 08, 2016, 05:03:06 AM
No, her personality is literally just "Her personality changes in different situations."
Did you miss her entire development of being tainted by life and changing her outlook on life from looking down on earthlings (eg. laughing off Remi's rocket) to being one of them? Her impersonal and critical approach to her mission in LoLK was pretty good as well.

More importantly, much as I love Reisen, she took a potential spot from a character that has to yet appear in a fighting game. What the hell is Tasofro thinking?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: monhan on May 08, 2016, 05:03:59 AM
Disappointed that it is the plain summer suit Reisen. Seriously, the winter suit Reisen is several times better.

Karate Gi Reisen tops both
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: nyttyn on May 08, 2016, 05:06:56 AM
What the hell is Tasofro thinking?

That question's pretty easy to answer. They're a lot more likely to pander to the crowd than ZUN is (See; trying to get Momiji as an assist for Aya, booby byakuren), and Reisen's pretty popular.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 08, 2016, 05:10:38 AM
Criticism is fine. But your personal dislike of Reisen is not quite the solid premise for criticism :-).

ZUN needing to push forward the long-running Occult Ball plot is a reasonable cause. I doubt it will be resolved even in this new Reisen campaign.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 08, 2016, 05:13:22 AM
How do we know that Tasofro were the ones who decided to have Reisen be the new character? (I don't doubt that they were the ones who decided, thou.)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: monhan on May 08, 2016, 05:16:30 AM
That question's pretty easy to answer. They're a lot more likely to pander to the crowd than ZUN is (See; trying to get Momiji as an assist for Aya, booby byakuren), and Reisen's pretty popular.

Problem is that ZUN's the one that want to put Reisen in, to link ULiL with LoLK.

He was asked "Why Reisen? She has been in previous games.", to which ZUN replied it was for story reason, making this an exception.

Call it pandering or what, but we know how much ZUN usually put the fans when he do his thing.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ToyoRai on May 08, 2016, 05:20:54 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/LnfN0Ut.jpg)

Man, her gun looks less like a raygun and more like a megaphone now.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Leon゠Helsing on May 08, 2016, 05:26:15 AM
Making Reisen PS4-exclusive would most likely splinter the playerbase, so I hope Tasofro keeps this in mind and make Reisen a timed exclusive at most.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 08, 2016, 05:27:55 AM
Making Reisen PS4-exclusive would most likely splinter the playerbase, so I hope Tasofro keeps this in mind and make Reisen a timed exclusive at most.

What? No, that would make it WORSE.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ToyoRai on May 08, 2016, 05:33:22 AM
So on more important matters, what kind of urban legend Reisen could even have?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 08, 2016, 05:53:30 AM
The Bunny Man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunny_Man
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on May 08, 2016, 05:57:17 AM
So much for ZUN's "never-been-playable-before" priority...  Not that it's a bad thing.

No, her personality is literally just "Her personality changes in different situations."
Which doesn't equal no personality.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 08, 2016, 06:10:17 AM
Yeah, I'm more worried whether the exceptionalness of this new character would make future PC parity even more unlikely.

Unless we are going to get more returning characters involved in moon-related shenanigans...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on May 08, 2016, 06:16:11 AM
trying to get Momiji as an assist for Aya
What?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: notext on May 08, 2016, 08:11:17 AM
So much for ZUN's "never-been-playable-before" priority...  Not that it's a bad thing.

I think it still fits their modus operandi - this is clearly LoLK Reisen rather than IN Reisen, which makes her the representative for the most recent game in the series. Given that the majority of LoLK's cast consists of either remote, godlike entities (Sagume) or of footsoldiers and dogsbodies (Clownpiece) she actually seems like a fair choice. Depending on the scope of the expansion I do think one of the higher level boss characters could be interesting as well, but if we take this in a vacuum and assume that she's a single character addition like Meiling then she makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 08, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
Should've picked Ringo.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on May 08, 2016, 08:52:26 AM
Well, I am a little disappointed that it's Reisen again but we have to remember that they might have a few more characters still unannounced that might act like UNL was to SWR... unrelated to the urban legend incident. I guess we will simply have to wait and find out in time.

I wonder what else about the urban legend incident is still yet to be unresolved
once Reimu captured Sumireko
? Are they going to make Reisen fight the giant mechanical spider? (seriously, this still makes me laugh after all this time X D)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: MinakoHouraisan on May 08, 2016, 09:43:26 AM
I'm glad to see Reisen added- she's one of my favourites!

She isn't quite Kaguya but I'm glad ZUN is adding another member of my top 5 (as Miko is already there) to ULiL

Still want Kaguya VS Mokou though...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 08, 2016, 12:15:58 PM
There may be least one more character.

Clip from the trailer (https://my.mixtape.moe/kzbrez.webm)

In the trailer, in addition to the silhouette of a character portrait, they also showed the silhouette of some sprite animations.

I can make out the character's two feet; she wears what seems a long skirt that reaches her feet and takes up lots of screen area; she also wields a staff or a polearm weapon. My initial reaction upon seeing the sprite is: "hey, Kaguya knows how to use a naginata?"

The character is reminescent of Kokoro, but is definitely a different person.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: 7TC7 on May 08, 2016, 12:47:23 PM
Are you sure thats not Reisen? Look at the form of her huge mass of hair in this picture that was posted earlier:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/110000023097364480/178722824884715521/Reisen.png)
I'm also pretty sure I can see her long ears in the silhouette.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shadowlupus on May 08, 2016, 01:14:34 PM
Well, from the clip, the silhouette appears to wear a really long poofy skirt that covers her entire leg, so that can't be Reisen...unless she has alternate costumes, of course.

And oh yeah, the shadow figure seems to be holding something long like a pole weapon or something like that. It was very brief so I can't be sure.

So, I guess it is another character speculation time! Who could it be!?

- Kaguya, possible, the shadow figure fits her very well with her extremely poofy skirt, I don't recall her having a pole weapon though.
- Shou, I guess? She has a spear but her skirt isn't that poofy though, judging from her UFO art.
- Kagerou, again, the skirt looks a little bit too inflated to be her and I don't think she even has a weapon.
- Yukari? Keine?
- A new character?
- A Red Herring?
- Did you think the silhouette was someone else? Too bad! It was Kokoro-chan!

EDIT: The picture was really blurry so I couldn't see Reisen's hair. Yeah, it might be just her.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Spotty Len on May 08, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
You know, those things appearing here could also be something else...

(http://i.imgur.com/iwBENi1.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/hLzJXqC.png)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 08, 2016, 01:33:47 PM
Even if it's Reisen, the long weapon looks like something new. We'll know soon enough when Tasofro upload the trailer to Youtube.


Summary of today's information:

- One of the Play,Doujin! games shown was Yoiyami Dream (Twilight Dream), a sidescroller starring Rumia. The fact that the developer can be such a big fan of Rumia really piqued ZUN's curiosity. ZUN: "I can't recall anything about what I was thinking when making EoSD."

- Reisen was announced.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch6BSn1UUAAG6kY.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch6UtS8UUAA1ro4.jpg)

- ZUN said Reisen is in her LoLK appearance. It feels like the right time for her to show up. She is in ULiL for the purpose of story. [Her story mode] takes place after LoLK.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on May 08, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
I still think it's Reisen.  The poofy skirt is her hair, while the stick is actually one of her ears.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on May 08, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
The fact that it seems to say 新たな人物を加え and EXTRA leads me to believe it's a new character

or it's mima
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: DX5536 on May 08, 2016, 01:54:29 PM
The fact that it seems to say 新たな人物を加え and EXTRA leads me to believe it's a new character

or it's mima

OK, i will call it now: It's Mima but in her human form (if she has one xD)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Doki-Doki on May 08, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
Even if it's Reisen, the long weapon looks like something new. We'll know soon enough when Tasofro upload the trailer to Youtube.


Summary of today's information:

- One of the Play,Doujin! games shown was Yoiyami Dream (Twilight Dream), a sidescroller starring Rumia. The fact that the developer can be such a big fan of Rumia really piqued ZUN's curiosity. ZUN: "I can't recall anything about what I was thinking when making EoSD."

- Reisen was announced.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch6BSn1UUAAG6kY.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch6UtS8UUAA1ro4.jpg)

- ZUN said Reisen is in her LoLK outfit. It felt right for her to show up now, for the purpose of story. [Her story mode] takes place after LoLK.
Is there any chance we'll get a proper upload of that little "extra" trailer bit? I'm guessing the character is Nue but a tiny part of me sees some resemblance to mima, with the cape and the staff. But I'm almost certain it's not her.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on May 08, 2016, 02:06:10 PM
If Reisen's story is specifically after LoLK, maybe it's another lunarian or someone related to Hecatia or Junko. It might even be Chang'e since she's the moon rabbits' leader and all, but she's supposed to be trapped on the Moon..

Or it's Mima.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on May 08, 2016, 02:39:43 PM
OK, i will call it now: It's Mima but in her human form (if she has one xD)
She has legs in Touhou 5, which makes her look human.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on May 08, 2016, 03:14:05 PM
Quote
You know, those things appearing here could also be something else...

From looking at that picture I was actually thinking of Sagume and the silhouette was her wing.

The character with the long dress could be Junko because Junko certainly had a long dress (but dat poofiness though!)

Quote
She is in ULiL for the purpose of story. [Her story mode] takes place after LoLK.

All the characters in LoLK are up for grabs! If Reisen's story takes place after LoLK then there is no excuse to say they are not available.

Reisen *after* her experience in LoLK as implied here also could hint that this is an expansion to the original ULiL and not just bonus content for a console exclusive... I mean, it would be a dick move to wall off something as lore important as that. Don't forget your PC customers TasFro!  :V

Could this also mean that Reisen going to the moon in LoLK is the true canon for that game?  :ohdear:
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on May 08, 2016, 03:24:15 PM
Could this also mean that Reisen going to the moon in LoLK is the true canon for that game?  :ohdear:

What's canon and what's not has been such a trouble in the recent years. Especially when everyone seems to know the new characters (technically speaking, only Reimu is the one who should) so I guess argue about this topic is pointless imo.
Speaking of which, I'm excited to see Reisen in the game. And that silhouette... I think is unlikely to talk about a new character (it's an expansion, after all), but it is too early to judge.

I guess we will have to wait until Comiket.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on May 08, 2016, 04:26:04 PM
Since Touhou 15 is about the moon, it would be weird and a waste if Reisen going there isn't canon.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Loafing Bear on May 08, 2016, 05:13:20 PM
Plot Twist - It's Sanae! With that, now we have all LoLK people.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TableCloth on May 08, 2016, 05:24:37 PM
Quote
she wears what seems a long skirt that reaches her feet and takes up lots of screen area; she also wields a staff or a polearm weapon.

Inb4 Shinki :V

Killme.exe

On a slightly more serious tone, I just hope that they will put Yukari in it simply to explain whatever the fuck she was doing during LoLK. That, and I kinda bored playing as her in soku.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: SuperVehicle-001 on May 08, 2016, 07:01:03 PM
So it was Reisen all along. Can't say I'm too happy about it since I was expecting someone that wasn't playable before (or Sanae), but oh well.

As for the new silhouette, I think that's supposed to be a new character. The appearance doesn't match anyone else that I can notice. Plus she seems to be wielding some sort of pole thing and I can't recall anyone having anything of the sort besides Shou's spear and Kokoro's naginata. Well, I guess Mima does have a magic staff but I somehow doubt it's actually her.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Koog on May 08, 2016, 07:16:30 PM
I'm kinda thinking of Yamame/Medicine when I see the dress of the silhouette...

However that's not possible seeing that silhouette behind the sprite...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: MinakoHouraisan on May 08, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
I think it the silhouette might be Nue, Kaguya or Shou as well.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: UTW on May 08, 2016, 08:24:50 PM
I'm going to say the silhouette is Junko with a new Chinese polearm type weapon.

It simply makes the most sense to me with this is taking place post-LoLK. The skirt matches and what seems like long hair or tails in the rear silhouette matches. The only thing that doesn't is the fact she didn't use a weapon in LoLK, but this could just be her personality and fighting style adapted to be  more suitable to a fighter. Rather than direct danmaku in LoLK, instead she chooses a killing weapon here. It would also add an unexpected new wrinkle to her character the way a motorcycle or cape did for the likes of Byakuren and Miko. And she would be looking to acclimate herself to Gensokyo.

I was also thinking it could be Kaguya (once again, skirt and long hair) with the weapon similarly being a way to adapt her to a fighting game environment, but I wouldn't expect her given what I assume to be a very limited number of character slots, since adding her would mean three IN characters.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 08, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
On a slightly more serious tone, I just hope that they will put Yukari in it simply to explain whatever the fuck she was doing during LoLK.
Thats already been explained, kind of. Apparently Yukari didn't consider LoLK or ULIL big enough for her to do anything about them, which is very hypocritical on her part, considering she beat up Tenshi for messing with The Hakurei Shrine.

However, Some recent chapters of the Official Manga's have suggested that she had more sinister reasons for not participating in those incidents...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Glaceon Mage on May 08, 2016, 08:29:02 PM
The silhouette looks kinda like that pumpkin Pok?mon.  Gourgeist, I think?

I think it's a new character.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ChronaSE on May 08, 2016, 09:04:01 PM
No chance for Hecatia huh?  :( would have really loved to smash stuff with her flail-like planets.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on May 08, 2016, 09:31:43 PM
guys please don't take my facetious mima joke seriously
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 08, 2016, 09:34:08 PM
guys please don't take my facetious mima joke seriously

You're too late for that, my bones are already feeling it up.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on May 08, 2016, 10:05:39 PM
guys please don't take my facetious mima joke seriously

At this point you should be aware that Mima is always the new character :P

Which is very hypocritical on her part, considering she beat up Tenshi for messing with The Hakurei Shrine.

While I do agree Yukari's absence from ULiL was pretty sneaky, I'd like to add something ? the reason Yukari beaten up Tenshi on SWR wasn't because the shrine's earthquake, but because when Tenshi rebuilt it she put a Hinanawi clan keystone under it, making it her shrine, no longer Gensokyo's.

That's why Yukari decided to punish her.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Koog on May 08, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
since adding her would mean three IN characters.
However, we already have 3 TD characters.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: monhan on May 09, 2016, 03:29:46 AM
It might've been more clear for those who watched the nicolive stream or even directly, but that purple sprite was Reisen. She was doing the finger gun motion and shooting things with her hands in general.

I'll be glad to be proven wrong though, 'cause I want more playables.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Howard Akeley on May 09, 2016, 08:41:46 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/LnfN0Ut.jpg)

Man, her gun looks less like a raygun and more like a megaphone now.

Yes or some trumpet.


It's Mima, no doubt but the type of walk of the sprit is kinda weird.
Like a bunny.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shadowlupus on May 09, 2016, 09:02:00 AM
Looks like it is just Reisen, after all. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffrMJ-SDctU)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Howard Akeley on May 09, 2016, 09:10:05 AM
Looks like it is just Reisen, after all. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffrMJ-SDctU)

This is the Reitaisai trailer ? The images in the photo aren't in it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shadowlupus on May 09, 2016, 09:45:57 AM
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201605/09105395.html

Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Quwanti on May 09, 2016, 09:46:53 AM
This is the Reitaisai trailer ? The images in the photo aren't in it.
Those were just slides. Scroll down (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/).
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Howard Akeley on May 09, 2016, 09:55:02 AM
Those were just slides. Scroll down (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/).

Ok, thanks.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on May 09, 2016, 10:44:15 AM
Well, that's a letdown.

Anything of interest in the text though? They seem to be refering to the PC version as well as PS4 version.
Cross compatibility
maybe?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 09, 2016, 10:55:48 AM
Well, that's a letdown.

Anything of interest in the text though? They seem to be refering to the PC version as well as PS4 version.
Cross compatibility
maybe?

You mean the trailer? It's just advertising blurb stuff. You know, like ,"First official Touhou Project game to be released on the PS4!" and "Thrilling dammaku battles have been ported perfectly from the PC version!" Nothing substantial. I suppose it's worth noting that Reisen's story mode is considered "Extra", presumably in that very particular Touhou sense.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TableCloth on May 09, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Quote
Yes or some trumpet.

Plot Twist! It was ZUNpet all along!

To be honest, Reisen was pretty awesome to play in Soku (Lunatic Red Eyes ftw), and I expect some more awesome combo with her.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: yomichiyu on May 09, 2016, 11:10:48 AM
I'm hoping there's other characters yet to be announced. While the first PS4 trailer is out, it doesn't rule out the possibility of additional characters, especially with the game yet to be released. Quite a disappointment if Reisen's the only new character when the game's released though, as it would've been very nice to see new characters step into the spotlight instead.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: 7TC7 on May 09, 2016, 11:24:49 AM
If Reisen gets a story mode that plays after LoLK, I'd assume she'd get a unique Final (or Extra) Boss.

Sumireko isn't really relevant anymore at that time and non of the other Characters that are already present in the game seem like much of a good way to end it on, aside from the typical Reimu battle, that has ended all Touhou fighters before this - but if I remember correctly, Reimu starting to move and handling things by herself instead of awaiting Sumireko as the final boss of ULiL was an important plot point, so I doubt that would be revoked by her becoming the Final Boss after all.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 09, 2016, 11:39:23 AM
If Reisen gets a story mode that plays after LoLK, I'd assume she'd get a unique Final (or Extra) Boss.

Sumireko isn't really relevant anymore at that time and non of the other Characters that are already present in the game seem like much of a good way to end it on, aside from the typical Reimu battle, that has ended all Touhou fighters before this - but if I remember correctly, Reimu starting to move and handling things by herself instead of awaiting Sumireko as the final boss of ULiL was an important plot point, so I doubt that would be revoked by her becoming the Final Boss after all.

...It's probably Reimu, but I suppose it can't hurt to be optimistic.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: UTW on May 09, 2016, 01:50:19 PM
However, we already have 3 TD characters.

Right. Forgot about that.

Well, now that the silhouette mystery has been solved it puts a slight damper on the speculation. Though I'm still hoping for and would expect someone else, probably still from LoLK. I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 09, 2016, 02:02:47 PM
Tasofro's page for PS4 version:
http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/

New feature:
Like weathers used to in SWR, each Mystery Spot effect is now described in text using Touhou's "about enough to" format. The Pyramid is "a bizarre (phenomenon) about enough to allow as many Occult Attacks as you like", and Stonehenge is "a bizarre (phenomenon) about enough to make the battlefield narrower." They seem to have changed the Pyramid's function?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 09, 2016, 02:38:48 PM
Now there is a... staggering amount of things wrong about the way they are handling this. *Puts on grumpy hat*

Like, for the trailer, Unabara made a new Youtube account different from his old "unabara iruka" one. still called "Unabara Iruka". If you want to be more formal, wouldn't it make more sense to name the account after your group, not yourself?

Then he set the trailer to "unlisted", making it unsearchable and can only be viewed through a URL link. That's exactly the reverse of what a trailer is supposed to do! Of course it's also just called "th145 ps4", so it's not that likely to come up in searches anyway.


On to the game itself, as shown by the trailer and the screenshots. The screenshots' EXIF info gives away that they were captured on May 6. The trailer can only be made using the same or an earlier build.

In the trailer, the stage backgrounds are in the low-quality mode, using only single 2D images. This indicates they either haven't optimized the engine well enough to run 3D backgrounds smoothly, or have visual bugs with the backgrounds. This doesn't matter in itself as they would definitely optimize their engine in time, but does indicate how early their development is. Unless they could somehow forgot to turn high-quality backgrounds on for the trailer.

The screenshots are in 1080p, but the game's UI assets are still the same 720p ones, now stretched. Of course the already super low-res moon image stays the same. Again, these can be replaced in time, and the question is whether they are actually going to do it.

The UI being the same as PC version means much of the text is too small. Because console games are played on televisions, console makers used to have very rigid standards regarding their UI: all text must be sufficiently large to be readable from your couch, and developers can't put UI at the edges of the screen due to the CRT's overscan cutting off the edges. Now with everyone using HD TV, these standards have been laxed, and many developers just snuck PC-style tiny text in games, not caring whether players can actually make them out. Still, compared to the pro fighting game developers, this UI is immediately recognizable as a PC UI, made by people without any console or arcade development experience.

Oh, they still aren't doing the 3D programming properly (see the light rays in 160509e.jpg), but we are used to that now.


Also, they changed the font used on spell card names from MS Gothic (native to Windows systems) to the free Noto Sans (already the main UI font of the game). Obviously, this is a legally required change, and should have been in the first PC release to begin with.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Howard Akeley on May 09, 2016, 07:13:15 PM
There's just one thing to do : wait.

I've big hopes and there's no date afterall.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Quwanti on May 09, 2016, 08:36:36 PM
Now there is a... staggering amount of things wrong about the way they are handling this. *Put on grumpy hat*

Like, for the trailer, Unabara made a new Youtube account different from his old "unabara iruka" one. still called "Unabara Iruka". If you want to be more formal, wouldn't it make more sense to name the account after your group, not yourself?
I see that quite often, actually. Some circles have numerous youtube accounts which they used once to upload something, to abandon them the second later.

Then he set the trailer to "unlisted", making it unsearchable and can only be viewed through a URL link. That's exactly the reverse of what a trailer is supposed to do! Of course it's also just called "th145 ps4", so it's not that likely to come up in searches anyway.
Well these things seem to be fixed. There are no tags, though.


And at least we got a nice new version of "Occult a la Carte", though I wonder why.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Howard Akeley on May 09, 2016, 08:52:30 PM
I see that quite often, actually. Some circles have numerous youtube accounts which they used once to upload something, to abandon them the second later.

Just, why, any idea ?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Romantique Tp on May 10, 2016, 12:47:40 AM
Just japanese people things.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 10, 2016, 03:13:09 PM
Well these things seem to be fixed. There are no tags, though.
Would also be better if he used full "for PlayStation? 4", rather than "forPS4" without the space in the middle.

Another important detail is found at the bottom of the page.

The copyright info says: ?SUNFISH Co., Ltd./黄昏フロンティア

黄昏フロンティア = Twilight Frontier. SUNFISH Co., Ltd. is Tasofro's own corporate entity, just as Kourindou Co., Ltd. is ZUN's. Both names first came into light during 2011's White Canvas incident. This should be the first time Tasofro themselves showed the SUNFISH name to the public.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 12, 2016, 10:09:03 PM
I change my mind, I'm glad Reisen in it, only so that i can hope she'll kill Eirin for abusing her so much in this game.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I change my mind, I'm glad Reisen in it, only so that i can hope they she'll kill Eirin for abusing her so much in this game.

So you're hoping for the impossible?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on May 12, 2016, 10:50:05 PM
yes.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Kirin no Sora on May 18, 2016, 10:04:52 AM
I, for one, would hope for Sanae's appearance as an playable character, given that she and Sumireko have never met, and it would be interesting as to how they would react to meeting each other.

Also, as much as I would LOVE for Rin Satsuki to appear, she clearly won't, as she has been forgotten... It saddens me to say that, but it is so.  :(
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 18, 2016, 06:13:26 PM
I find it interesting that [people can be so attached to a character who has no art, no dialog, and has never even been mentioned or referred to in the story. She exists only as a name datamined from a decade old game, that its own creator completely forgot about. Yet she still has fans hoping for an appearance.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 19, 2016, 03:58:29 AM
One can say its the mystery behind the character that keeps her support up, I must say her shot types seemed interesting at least
but I personally don't care if she gets a second chance or not.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Helepolis on May 20, 2016, 05:08:24 AM
Did she ever got a first chance? How can a character be forgotten if she never has been officially introduced. Mima would be a more valid character fitting under those categories.

Time to visit the playstation store.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 20, 2016, 12:43:04 PM
Did she ever got a first chance? How can a character be forgotten if she never has been officially introduced. Mima would be a more valid character fitting under those categories.


Her first chance was EoSD, just because she didn't make it in doesn't mean she never had that chance in the first place.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on May 20, 2016, 01:27:09 PM
That already implies there was something of hers to put in to begin with. It isn't like he made a whole character but left her out; her idea was pretty much scrapped at the planning stages as all evidence points to.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Helepolis on May 20, 2016, 02:22:51 PM
Like Drake said, those are assumptions and implications. Which are in my opinion invalid. She never got implemented and therefore it is hard to say or claim that there is a mystery around her as a character or has some sort of 'lost/forgotten' impact.

The real mystery characters until this day are Koakuma and Daiyousei. They have much more actual presence in the games, yet no actual bio like PMiSS or SoPM

Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 20, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
I'm not sure Dai and Koakuma were ever intended to be characters, no more than the random fairies and ghosts and grimoires you shoot in the stages are characters. They have healthbars and serve as midbosses, but ultimately they were just mooks thrown in for stage progression. Later stage midbosses like Lily and Tewi were given much more focus (relatively), perhaps as a response to ZUN noticing how his previous midbosses were treated by the fans.

In regards to Satsuki Rin though, I think it's worth remembering that there are probably hundreds of discarded character ideas that ZUN never used, simply because they got tossed in the wastebasket long before they got anywhere. It's incredibly unlikely that ZUN goes with his very first idea for each character, so most likely there's at least 2-3 extremely rough ideas for each boss that he never followed through on. He's even mentioned these sometimes in interviews, like how Byakuren was originally conceived as being her more famous younger brother, and I think he also mentioned that he was considering an actual space alien to go with the Space Invaders theme? Multiply that by every single character in the series, and that's a rough estimate of how many "Satsuki Rins" have technically existed in ZUN's mind, however briefly, but we've never even seen the slightest trace of because there are no records. Apparently Rin got slightly further if she's mentioned in the code, but that's not necessarily significant. It's no surprise ZUN's forgot about her, since from his perspective she was just one of hundreds of bad ideas he never used.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 20, 2016, 09:36:18 PM
The fact that she's even in the data in the first place implies there WAS something, ZUN already said the reason why she was left out, and that was due to time constraints.
That might not necessarily mean she was a bad idea or anything of the sort.

Again, her not being fully implemented doesn't make her having her first chance not be EoSD.

The mystery around her as a character isn't even hard to claim, shes a person who apparently had flower and wind based attacks based on her shot-types.
And yes, there are likely plenty of scrapped characters, but none of them are in the code like Rin, which gives people to latch on.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 20, 2016, 10:13:01 PM
And yes, there are likely plenty of scrapped characters, but none of them are in the code like Rin, which gives people to latch on.

That was my whole point, actually. She seems more real to you because you have something to latch on to, but that's just an illusion. She was never any more real than any of ZUN's discarded ideas, because characters in fiction don't become "real" until there's a finished product.

Even names can and will be changed up to the very last minute (unless there's voice acting, which can complicate things). Sumireko was known as Hanako merely months/weeks before the release of ULiL, when people datamined the demo. Which itself may have been simply a placeholder name, since "hana" means flower and "sumire" is a flower: ZUN hadn't decide which flower she'd be named after yet.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 20, 2016, 10:16:25 PM
you

Let's keep this in mind that I don't care about this character at all, I'm merely giving insight to the other side.
Also that's arguable in itself, concepts can be considered "real", I don't see where you're going with this.

EDIT: The topic of Sumireko being known as Hanako can be many things, in some cases it could be to hide her name or even give hints.
I don't recall ZUN ever stating the case for that.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 20, 2016, 10:23:12 PM
Where I'm going is just that I think people (not you, I guess, sorry), have latched onto this one non-character for mostly arbitrary reasons, and given her a life of her own that she never actually had in the first place. As if Gensokyo is a real place and ZUN simply failed to give her a chance, as opposed to the truth that every single thing in fiction is a formless mass of chaos that can change completely on a whim, until the writer is finished editing their work and publishes. Everything can and will be subject to change at all times, and the fact that ZUN was at some point considering a third playable character and even gave her some basic shot type framework does not actually mean that that character has ever existed in any form, concrete or abstract. No more than the idea of a space alien boss that ZUN briefly toyed with for UFO.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 20, 2016, 10:33:09 PM
Where I'm going is just that I think people (not you, I guess, sorry), have latched onto this one non-character for mostly arbitrary reasons, and given her a life of her own that she never actually had in the first place. As if Gensokyo is a real place and ZUN simply failed to give her a chance, as opposed to the truth that every single thing in fiction is a formless mass of chaos that can change completely on a whim, until the writer is finished editing their work and publishes. Everything can and will be subject to change at all times, and the fact that ZUN was at some point considering a third playable character and even gave her some basic shot type framework does not actually mean that that character has ever existed in any form, concrete or abstract. No more than the idea of a space alien boss that ZUN briefly toyed with for UFO.
I think I see what you're trying to say now, but I find it hard to agree with the idea that the character did not exist in any form, code is still code. I know it's left over code, but it's still there.
She has no character, yes and she has no "life" either but what her name is even if its a temporary name, and the framework of what she can "do" still exists, and taking from what you said, exists in published work in itself.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 20, 2016, 10:40:46 PM
Well, we can argue about the nature of published code, but I would say that anything that isn't expressed in the game itself wasn't mean to be seen. It's like a line of ink on a page that's been covered in white-out: you can theoretically read it by looking through the back of the page or something, but it was clearly not meant to be part of the final work.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on May 20, 2016, 10:49:10 PM
Well, we can argue about the nature of published code, but I would say that anything that isn't expressed in the game itself wasn't mean to be seen. It's like a line of ink on a page that's been covered in white-out: you can theoretically read it by looking through the back of the page or something, but it was clearly not meant to be part of the final work.
Funny that you mention that, I do know of a book that keep white-out lines just for the purpose of showing the writer's mindset.
But yes, I do get what you're saying, and I personally rather not argue the topic of published code since it can go either way, there some things that's meant to be yet couldn't and then there's the things they couldn't be bothered to remove or finish, cut content is a funny thing to me.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Marron on May 21, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
As for me, I would be interested if Seija became a playable character for that game. It sure would be fun if she could use some of the items she had in Amanojaku.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on May 21, 2016, 08:09:04 PM
As for me, I would be interested if Seija became a playable character for that game. It sure would be fun if she could use some of the items she had in Amanojaku.
Unless i misunderstood something, Seija lost her items (her "allies") at the end of ISC. I'd like to see her here screwing game controls again, though.

As for the final boss for Reisen, maybe this time is Marisa since Reimu is usually the final boss for the "normal" final boss. Since it is still ULiL, Reisen's storyline might be about Eirin/Kaguya/Sagume sending her to take Sagume's occult ball away from humans and youkai (mostly youkai :V), since it could be considered a lunarian weapon and uses a lunarian god's power, and i suppose ZUN might want to end this urban legend stuff sooner or later anyway.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on May 21, 2016, 10:13:03 PM
Which itself may have been simply a placeholder name, since "hana" means flower and "sumire" is a flower: ZUN hadn't decide which flower she'd be named after yet.

Actually I'd say it just comes from 'Hanako-san' urban legend to fit the game, but as you pointed it was just a placeholder.
About Rin Satsuki... I'll agree that is just a scrapped character.

Like the tons of hairstyles Murasa used to have.
Speaking of which, it would be cool if someday ZUN decides to show some scrapped ideas/characters he had for games.

But that's another story. This isn't a thread for this anyway lol.

--

I really hope Reisen's not the only new character.
She has potential and stuff, but it would be a waste. Anyway, as someone ?I think? pointed out, they never said PS4 ULiL was an expansion, just a port, so...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on May 22, 2016, 08:06:48 PM
As for the final boss for Reisen, maybe this time is Marisa since Reimu is usually the final boss for the "normal" final boss. Since it is still ULiL, Reisen's storyline might be about Eirin/Kaguya/Sagume sending her to take Sagume's occult ball away from humans and youkai (mostly youkai :V), since it could be considered a lunarian weapon and uses a lunarian god's power, and i suppose ZUN might want to end this urban legend stuff sooner or later anyway.

Yeah, it's been a recurring thing in the comics that the urban legend incident still isn't over.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Marron on May 23, 2016, 10:08:08 AM
Unless i misunderstood something, Seija lost her items (her "allies") at the end of ISC. I'd like to see her here screwing game controls again, though.
You're probably right, I don't remember though.

Well, I guess that knowing she's a 5th boss in a danmaku game, she probably gets more chance to be a playable character. That's not entirely true 'cause Orin and Shou haven't been playable. We thought it was because they were youkai, then came Reisen . . . then again, Reisen is not a youkai but a moon rabit.
In Seija's case, I think there is more chance because she was the main character of ISC. There is another reason, more personal: I find it fishy that the story of Seija would finish in ISC. I can't accept something like "Seija will stop doing mischievous things", I can't believe it at all, I'm sure Seija will sometime play the role she did in DDC, but of less importance. So yeah, I could totally see a story in ULIL where she would want to mess with characters using her urban legend.

Anyway that would be great. There's not that much characters who're true vilains since a certain spirit from the PC-98 era. There are some dark characters but they don't have this "evil" aura Seija does.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on May 23, 2016, 01:29:04 PM
Seija went into hiding after ISC because, you know, all of Gensokyo is out to get her. While I'd like to see more of her, I think that's a pretty fitting ending to her story...? It's the same as with Junko- she's still an evil person planning to do evil things, but she's laying low for a while.

Though I can still totally see Seija being playable again in the future. Just not for those reasons.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Marron on May 23, 2016, 02:21:37 PM
I think Seija will not stop here. Junko had her own reasons to do what she did, and surely wants revenge, but in Seija's case, it's even more deep. It's her own nature to be against people, to be against what they stand or think. If they want her to hide, she'll not hide indefinitely, one day or another, she will get out of her hideout and do wicked things again.

I personnally categorise Junko in the same case as Mima, though for not the same reason. In Mima's case it's because she's a 98 character and Zun doesn't want to bring her back so stop screwing Gensokyo for god's sake, it's because most of the evil in her has fadded so she just annoys Reimu now and then.
But in Seija's case, it's different. It's fundamentally Seija's nature to always stand against people, she's an amanojaku after all. For her to stop bother gensokyo and be quiet for a very long time ? I don't buy it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on May 23, 2016, 03:11:06 PM
Well.... 2 things. Junko's entire existence is getting revenge on Chang'e. That's what she is. Her vengeance has been purified to the point thay she's a being made purely of it. Saying it's in Seija's nature to be contrary but not in Junko's nature to be vengeful, I think that's kind of wrong?

But that's neither here nor there. My point is, if Gensokyo were a real place, Seija would definitely do evil stuff again at some point. But youkai live for a very long time. Seija's bad, but she's not stupid. She could stay in hiding for several years until the resentment towards her dies down and she can pull off another master plan. And since youkai live for so long, it's not unreasonable to think she'd wait several years or even decades before trying again.

...That would be the in universe explanation, at least. In reality, it's just as simple as whether or not ZUN wants to introduce her or not. Personally I don't think ZUN is done with the DDC cast (because of Shinny's inclusion in ULiL and a lack of side material related to DDC compared to UFO or TD) so Seija or Shinny could show up again. I just don't agree with your reasoning behind "this is why Seija's going to show up again".
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: UTW on May 23, 2016, 07:16:01 PM
As for the final boss for Reisen, maybe this time is Marisa since Reimu is usually the final boss for the "normal" final boss. Since it is still ULiL, Reisen's storyline might be about Eirin/Kaguya/Sagume sending her to take Sagume's occult ball away from humans and youkai (mostly youkai :V), since it could be considered a lunarian weapon and uses a lunarian god's power, and i suppose ZUN might want to end this urban legend stuff sooner or later anyway.

Yeah, it's been a recurring thing in the comics that the urban legend incident still isn't over.

At this juncture I think they're less intended to be an incident needing to be resolved, than now simply a part of Gensokyo. Just a different category of creatures and things for ZUN to pull from now. If Yukari didn't see fit to take the Occult Ball and end this, I doubt anyone will. Even if Eientei took the ball so that no one else could, I doubt anything would change.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Marron on May 24, 2016, 06:18:16 PM
I just don't agree with your reasoning behind "this is why Seija's going to show up again".
And there's no problem with that. I just exposed my point of view here, and honnestly could elaborate more and debate more about it, but that was not my intention since the beggining. I'm just explaining who I would see as a playable character and why. If you don't agree with it, that's okay, I'm not here to convince anyone here anyway, I just wanted to express the fundemental reasons of my opinion.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on May 31, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
Some vague information from today's (May 31) Nikenme Radio livestream:

Reisen's theme will be arranged by Beat Mario (apparently Beat Mario actually announced this in his own stream last week?).

(BTW, Beat Mario and Amane recently got married. I thought they were already married for years!)

Uni Akiyama and ZUN said what they are doing for the PS4 version is far more than simply adding one character or one scenario. It requires them to add lots of new music.

ZUN has "cramped everything he wanted to do" into Reisen's scenario. He has taken great effort to write it.

The result "should not be an ordinary game. It may offend everyone. It may even offend Sony."

Reisen's scenario contains scenes impossible to do in their current engine, requiring additional programming work.

There is no way Reisen can stay the same after going through what happened in LoLK.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on May 31, 2016, 05:47:01 PM

ZUN has "cramped everything he wanted to do" into Reisen's scenario. He has taken great effort to write it.

The result "should not be an ordinary game. It may offend everyone. It may even offend Sony."

Reisen's scenario contains scenes impossible to do in their current engine, requiring additional programming work.

There is no way Reisen can stay the same after going through what happened in LoLK.
So, are we expecting something really weird?
I wonder how would he even manage to offend EVERYONE and even Sony at the same time with a game.
Someone actually dies a horrible death (killed by Reisen that went mad after LoLK!)  with blood splattered everywhere?
Jokes on people affectd by mental illness tied to Reisen's powers?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on May 31, 2016, 06:38:04 PM
o_o What in the world...?
Maybe this is just dramatic stuff intended to peak interest. It'd certainly be fitting, given ULiL's style.
But still, to say something like that... Z-ZUN isn't going to kill off someone, is he?!?

Well, now I'm excited. Sorry if this has already been answered, but do we have an estimated date of release?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on May 31, 2016, 08:49:00 PM
I sure hope that it's just more advertising blurb. I really don't wanna see the character of Reisen destroyed and be forced to call headcanon discontinuity on ULiL.  :ohdear:
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Prime32 on May 31, 2016, 09:18:58 PM
Clearly it will involve a series of flashbacks where Reisen is revealed to have been a Lunarian double agent all along, after which she throws Tewi out of a plane.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shizzo on May 31, 2016, 09:46:24 PM
Mayhaps he's just being ironic and it will all be a Catfish-esque scenario akin to 12.3?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on June 01, 2016, 01:25:28 AM
I think for Touhou, ultimately it's the larger-than-life things going on in ZUN's head that are "offensive". To most spectators, the resulting story will always be the same Touhou shenanigans, only maybe slightly more experimental this time.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on June 01, 2016, 01:34:28 AM
The result "should not be an ordinary game. It may offend everyone. It may even offend Sony."

[matsuri]*snip*

what the fuck, dude. get outta here with that shit. [/matsuri]
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on June 01, 2016, 04:26:38 AM
Reisen's theme will be arranged by Beat Mario (apparently Beat Mario actually announced this in his own stream last week?).
Hey, so he got to do it after all, after declining the call on the initial release. Good on him.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on June 01, 2016, 05:22:45 AM
"Uni Akiyama and ZUN said what they are doing for the PS4 version is far more than simply adding one character or one scenario. It requires them to add lots of new music."

Hope this is an indicator for more characters!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on June 01, 2016, 05:23:16 AM
Probably not.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on June 01, 2016, 05:46:11 AM
How did Touhou 15 changed her?  I looked up her endings and don't really see how she's changed...

Probably not.
How so?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on June 01, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
Seeing how everything seems centered around Reisen with literally no sign of another character, i doubt there will be another playable one. At most i'd expect something like the oonamazu.

Just to know, how many characters were shown when Hisoutensoku was announced?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on June 01, 2016, 04:02:40 PM
Last time he said something about offending people, it was in reference to a couple of Forbidden Scrollery chapters that were ultimately a satire of twitter and internet culture. Perhaps a scathing satire, sort of, but that's the sort of thing ZUN is probably thinking about, rather than graphic violence or anything plot related.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on June 01, 2016, 04:12:30 PM
Quote
The result "should not be an ordinary game. It may offend everyone. It may even offend Sony."

... Oh boy... Zun's going down this path, is he...

Dose anybody remember a year or so ago when Hideo Kojima was developing Metal Gear Solid 5 and he gave a huge bit of detail about Quiet (the sniper deprived of her clothes) and said that "you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds"? A pretty bold claim to make at the time that got people really speculating and guessing about what would be so special about this new character.

When the game was released, we found out it was all simply "Lol guys, she breathes through her skin!". Everybody thought it was stupid. Everybody was not ashamed of their words or deeds. Everybody was disappointed in the end.

The moral of this story: Don't let developers excite you too much about a characters new direction or design. You will ultimately be left disappointed each and every time. Yes, I know ZUN is nothing like Kojima but I am using Kojima as an example of how developers talk about something great or epic happening in their next new project and then intimately people don't think the reveal is as good as originally said before release.

Sorry ZUN, but you don't have any track record of having your Touhou project being offensive, shocking or emotionally dividing. I am skeptical in your ability to make a move in this direction, especially when you have specialized in heart warming, light hearted games for appropriately 15 to 20 years. Nothing in the Touhou series has ever rocked the foundation or been a real game changer in the overall series of things except for new characters being added into the lore. I am not saying that he cant pull it off (I hope he douse), but what I am saying is that your claim about the new addition being "offensive to everybody" just makes me not hold my breath over it and I say to myself "sure, we'll see". I'll decide for myself when it's released if it's offensive or not (I doubt it).

InB4 Reisen fights the giant mechanical spider... I mean, nobody fought it in LoLK and something like that just demands it be fought!  :derp:
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on June 01, 2016, 05:00:36 PM
Seeing how everything seems centered around Reisen with literally no sign of another character, i doubt there will be another playable one. At most i'd expect something like the oonamazu.

Just to know, how many characters were shown when Hisoutensoku was announced?
Perhaps she's the only new character with a story mode.  Of the five new additions in 12.3, only three of them have story modes.

ZUN says there will be several new soundtracks, and I don't think new cutscenes need a lot of new ones, so it likely refers to character themes, unless he means old characters getting new themes...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on June 01, 2016, 07:12:35 PM
Well, there *is* one thing that we know is a part of the canon since the very beginning and wouldn't be out of place at all despite being extremely disturbing - namely, a youkai eating a human on-screen.
We don't even know how they do it - the closest we get are those images from HM intro that would suggest that human eating is indeed physical and pretty messy to boot.

Alas, I can't for the life of me see ZUN pulling that out - not in the context of Reisen. The worst thing tangentally related to her backstory is Eirin killing the moon messengers, I suppose.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on June 01, 2016, 07:15:21 PM
Sorry ZUN, but you don't have any track record of having your Touhou project being offensive, shocking or emotionally dividing. I am skeptical in your ability to make a move in this direction, especially when you have specialized in heart warming, light hearted games for appropriately 15 to 20 years. Nothing in the Touhou series has ever rocked the foundation or been a real game changer in the overall series of things except for new characters being added into the lore. I am not saying that he cant pull it off (I hope he douse), but what I am saying is that your claim about the new addition being "offensive to everybody" just makes me not hold my breath over it and I say to myself "sure, we'll see". I'll decide for myself when it's released if it's offensive or not (I doubt it).

People really freaked out over Reimu openly exterminating a humanoid youkai in Forbidden Scrollery 25, even though that's been an explicit part of the setting forever. I'm not sure ZUN meant for that to happen, but things have been shocking in Touhou before.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: SuperVehicle-001 on June 02, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Mayhaps he's just being ironic and it will all be a Catfish-esque scenario akin to 12.3?

This is exactly what I'm expecting.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on June 03, 2016, 05:07:46 AM
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Perhaps he's just being ironic and it will all be a Catfish-esque scenario akin to 12.3?

I hope that's it, because the giant catfish fight with Mei Ling in 12.3 was bloody awesome and funny as hell. I remember laughing out loud when I saw it for the first time and wasn't expecting it.

Something like that also leads itself to TasFro saying that they were going to use new graphics capabilities that wasn't possible before in the PC version. It fits well with this.

Again, InB4 giant mechanical spider fight  :derp:
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shizzo on June 03, 2016, 05:17:51 PM

Again, InB4 giant mechanical spider fight  :derp:

Actually, nobody commented on what happened to the spider-probe that was killing off the environment.

What if it becomes yet another tsukumogami?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on June 03, 2016, 06:02:46 PM
I doubt it, i read somewhere that modern objects can't become tsukumogami, and normally they need 100 years to become like that. The exceptions in DDC were created by the miracle mallet, but the spider wasn't on earth when Shimmy caused the incident.
My guess is that they took that thing back to the Moon after Hecatia released the lunarians from her trap and they got back to the Lunar Capital, since it was no longer necessary to keep it active in Gensokyo.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on June 03, 2016, 08:38:34 PM
I doubt it, i read somewhere that modern objects can't become tsukumogami, and normally they need 100 years to become like that. The exceptions in DDC were created by the miracle mallet, but the spider wasn't on earth when Shimmy caused the incident.

That's how it works in most Japanese legends, though that doesn't necessarily mean the same applies here.
But in any-case, I don't see why would they leave the rover there in the first place, its likely back on the moon.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on June 04, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
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My guess is that they took that thing back to the Moon after Hecatia released the lunarians from her trap and they got back to the Lunar Capital

Your guess...

My guess is that ZUN forgot to resolve that plot point when he was developing LoLK so we all have to guess with uncertainty as to what became of it. We are searching for finality on a plot thread that was not finalized. I mean, was it so hard to have the fate of the giant mechanical spider shown in one of the many character endings that game has?

ZUN will probably give an answer to that question in one of his written works or maybe the remains of the wrecked spider will be in a new fighting game stage in the future.

Well hey, so many other things in Touhou have yet to be explained properly so we should just add the mechanical spider to the "to do" pile under the explanation of how Maribel and Yukari are related.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on June 04, 2016, 03:47:00 PM
Actually, nobody commented on what happened to the spider-probe that was killing off the environment.

What if it becomes yet another tsukumogami?
Better yet, the robot spider has an alternate form that is a humanoid girl!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on June 04, 2016, 05:06:38 PM

Hm, looking better, Seiran tells Sanae that the mech. spider was returning "to the base".
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: HalfGrand on June 05, 2016, 08:54:01 AM
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Better yet, the robot spider has an alternate form that is a humanoid girl!

Touhou should definitely have an android girl in the roster ala Multi from ToHeart. Still, her other form would be a spider bot? Spiders are icky! If Persona 3 could make Aigis work in their story then ZUN can definitely pull it off in a campy way.  :derp:
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Reu on June 05, 2016, 10:48:18 AM
Touhou should definitely have an android girl in the roster ala Multi from ToHeart. Still, her other form would be a spider bot? Spiders are icky! If Persona 3 could make Aigis work in their story then ZUN can definitely pull it off in a campy way.  :derp:
Well, there IS a robot girl in Touhou, whether or not you'll ever see her do anything is a different story.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on June 05, 2016, 11:25:19 PM
Ran is already a computer.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Tiamat on June 07, 2016, 12:36:55 AM
Well hey, so many other things in Touhou have yet to be explained properly so we should just add the mechanical spider to the "to do" pile under the explanation of how Maribel and Yukari are related.

ZUN already explained that as much as he wants to explain.  Someone directly asked him the question, and he answered "Lafcadio Hearn."  Again, this was after someone asked him the question specifically to his face.

A more unanswered question which ZUN promised he would answer then never got around to would be Sakuya's origins.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Alicirno on June 07, 2016, 07:20:47 AM
A more unanswered question which ZUN promised he would answer then never got around to would be Sakuya's origins.

she's time gal

case closed
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: OtakuGray on June 22, 2016, 01:43:40 AM
Really hoping all the new add-ons/DLC/whatever they are come to PC.  :ohdear: If not, I'm a bit worried it could split the touhou community in two, but I'm still really excited to see how this expands the community overall. More users is always a good thing! :D
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on June 22, 2016, 02:10:30 AM
Sorry if this has already been answered, but do we have a release date? I thought it was today, but I think I misunderstood.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: WHMZakeri on June 26, 2016, 06:52:01 PM
I have been looking everywhere for a release date and found absolutely no information on the subject.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on July 04, 2016, 08:42:31 PM
A Reisen full artwork (http://imgur.com/QCeLrqR) as shown in Strange Creator's second issue.

I think it hasn't been show anywhere so I decided to took a photo myself.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Quwanti on July 04, 2016, 08:54:13 PM
A Reisen full artwork (http://imgur.com/QCeLrqR) as shown in Strange Creator's second issue.

I think it hasn't been show anywhere so I decided to took a photo myself.
That's a big gun. And a big fluffy tail.

The preview on niconico seiga (http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/bk360390) also has the illustration, as well as a big portion of the interview.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Seraphic Shou on July 06, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
I think the super duper offensive thing will be every single PC98 character appearing just to die before our eyes!  :oh dear:
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on July 14, 2016, 03:33:46 PM
Cool & Create held a livestream on Nicovideo earlier tonight featuring stuff about ULiL since they're doing the remix for Reisen's theme. However, in the course of the show, Akiyama said there were no plans for PC/PS4 crossplay, and even if there were, it'd probably be a little too tough for them to handle.

http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/48014216.html
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on July 14, 2016, 05:40:04 PM
Akiyama said there were no plans for PC/PS4 crossplay
Not entirely unexpected, given that many games don't support cross-platform multiplayer.

I guess the more important question is whether PC will get the new characters and stages.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Phasm on July 15, 2016, 03:04:11 PM
I'm really far behind in the news of the  ps4 version. Have the new playable characters been anounced yet? Will they be coming to the pc as well?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: yomichiyu on July 15, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
The only new playable character announced was Reisen. Doesn't seem like there'll be anymore, unless they decided to keep it a secret and surprise us down the road. As for PC, we don't know yet. In fact, Akiyama avoided answering questions about it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on August 28, 2016, 02:50:02 PM
PlayDoujin's going to have a Nico livestream this Friday where they'll announce more info about ULiL (among other things).
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Nyxnyx on August 29, 2016, 02:34:28 PM
I think more detail about the game is coming from some event which is going to be held on the 2nd september. Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Helepolis on August 29, 2016, 06:14:34 PM
I think more detail about the game is coming from some event which is going to be held on the 2nd september. Let's wait and see.
Which is exactly what the person above you mentioned  :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Nyxnyx on August 29, 2016, 08:55:31 PM
Which is exactly what the person above you mentioned  :V

Got a bit too excited lol since it came from here.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/48325044.html

edited :  Put the reason for the post :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on September 02, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
It's live. http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv273674084

(http://i.imgur.com/UjQyJZf.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/yKFfbwi.png)

Reisen's urban legend is Kunekune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunekune_(Yokai)). The obvious joke is that it looks like mochi. When Reisen's attacks go through it they'll change, and just by being there it amplifies madness and her attacks will be stronger.

ZUN mentioned something about the difference in Reisen between SWR and now is that one is Reisen as a moon rabbit and now is Reisen as an earth rabbit. It was probably really interesting.

(http://i.imgur.com/1tQYQ0p.png)

OST cover.



(http://i.imgur.com/YsCR6m9.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/4efOQeU.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/y8E1yVG.png)

Official HORI controllers. Reimu version available on Amazon, Marisa version on the HORI store.

Reimu version (Amazon): https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01L8X7EYC



Fushigi no Gensokyo TOD Reloaded news; release is December 12. Some other stuff about the game and bonuses I really don't care about.



Some info about Cubetype's Touhou Koubutou V as well. PS4 version will have split-screen local versus as well as PSN online versus, Vita version will have ad hoc play.
3000 yen, release planned November 3rd.

(http://i.imgur.com/WJU3YC7.png)

VR-enabled as well.



(http://i.imgur.com/jqywYPn.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/DMXUjeV.png)

omake



(http://i.imgur.com/k2VOamD.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/E5TdDUT.png)
 
They're saying interesting things about the Play,Doujin! program and derivative works that I couldn't make out (while demonstrating some of the new LINE stamps). Basically it looks like we have ZUN's approval to stream/upload gameplay footage of Touhou-related games. Also, to make money off of this. Essentially he's okaying the current practice of monetizing streams and video uploads, as far as I can tell. I wonder if something more formal will show up about this.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on September 02, 2016, 11:40:11 AM
So... what's new?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Maple on September 02, 2016, 12:06:12 PM
CUBETYPE is releasing on November 3rd a rehash of 東方紅舞闘 (http://www.cubetype.com/archives/toho.html) (trailer date says it's from ~2010). Updated site with links here (http://www.cubetype.com/works/tohoKobutoV/). It's a 1st person arena shooter. 東方紅舞闘V (new version) has VR support.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Suwako Moriya on September 02, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1tQYQ0p.png)

OST cover.

BOW DOWN TO THE

BOW DOWN TO THE QUEEN
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PapilLionesskort on September 02, 2016, 12:27:53 PM
Did anyone manage to take a snapshot or few of Reisen's gameplay? :( I wasn't aware of the timeshare requirements.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on September 02, 2016, 12:45:48 PM
She fired some bullets and used what seemed to be a teleporty attack. It was maybe 10~20 seconds or so and was too fast for me to really get any screens. If it was on ustream or something I would have recorded it but I can't do nicovideo livestreams.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PapilLionesskort on September 02, 2016, 12:48:12 PM
I know she also used her Last Word. I would have liked to get some pictures to show.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on September 02, 2016, 12:49:00 PM
I complained about this on Twitter too but I'm kicking myself because I JUST bought a PS4 fightstick not even a week ago. But these new ones won't be out for a while now (and Reimu/Marisa are boring) so whatev.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Nyxnyx on September 02, 2016, 01:21:01 PM
What I'm really curious about is who would be reisen's enemy? This story is suppose to change "something". Any speculation?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on September 02, 2016, 01:54:00 PM
If we don't get more playable characters, then I hope that at least the final boss is a new character.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Sedrife on September 02, 2016, 02:29:31 PM
https://twitter.com/abysmalhypogeum/status/771697110349520896
"Play, Doujin is ultimately a derivative work.  So, if it fails, we'll just throw it away"

ZUN's got some balls to say that in front of SONY lol
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on September 02, 2016, 02:54:07 PM
You forgot the ULiL PS4 release date: December 8.

ULiL PS4 key art:
http://www.4gamer.net/games/355/G035517/20160902133/screenshot.html?num=001
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ToyoRai on September 02, 2016, 02:55:36 PM
 Kunekune seriously reminds me of Hattifatteners from The Moomins.

Love the Flandre VR art.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on September 02, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
Also the new OST CD (the additional title 補 can be translated as "Addenum") is a first printing bonus for ULiL PS4.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Spotty Len on September 02, 2016, 04:01:35 PM
Well, nuts... Those PS4 sticks actually look pretty good.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Sedrife on September 02, 2016, 04:03:24 PM
For those who wants to see Reisen's gameplay (starts from 0:28)
https://twitter.com/XnekokenX/status/771671245100154880
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PapilLionesskort on September 02, 2016, 04:41:45 PM
SED
I LOVE YOU

Yayyy, thanks so much. :]
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Maple on September 02, 2016, 07:13:52 PM
Looking in detail, Reisen seems to use

A derivative of フィールドウルトラレッド Ultrared Field and フィールドウルトラバイオレット Ultraviolet Field at 0:28. Either a move of her, or maybe a new Mystery Spot? Whoever is inside that colored field seems to gain immunity against flinching.
ディスオーダーアイ Disorder Eye at 0:35
A skill card version of 幻兎「平行交差(パラレルクロス)」 Illusion Rabbit "Concurrent Crossing (Parallel Cross)" (or a powered-up ディスビリーフアスペクト Disbelief Aspect) at 0:38
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on September 02, 2016, 11:04:21 PM
Kunekune creeps me out, jfc.
Also, Reisen is more hair than rabbit ? loving this.

EDIT: If they're re-releasing the soundtrack, I guess there're more than two new songs. Wondering.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on September 03, 2016, 02:26:09 AM
Kunekune seriously reminds me of Hattifatteners from The Moomins.
The viewer comments said exactly that. It's probably very on purpose.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: shockdude on September 03, 2016, 03:10:00 AM
Official Touhou 14.5 fight sticks by Hori, who would've thought. That's hilarious, and also surprisingly cool.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Koneko on September 03, 2016, 06:56:35 AM
I guess the more important question is whether PC will get the new characters and stages.


So ... Anything on this ?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on September 03, 2016, 03:43:12 PM

So ... Anything on this ?
Nothing on new characters, but who knows?  Perhaps they want to hide everything until a week before release or so like with the original version.

If there's anything that supports there being more characters, then it's the fact that there are lots of new music made for it, so much that a music CD is getting released.  I can't really see there being lots of new tracks and not having more characters.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Koneko on September 03, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
But, again, if they're PS-exclusvive, then they're as good as nothing to me, considering that I aint gonna buy one anyway
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on September 03, 2016, 09:55:20 PM
Is this a full on music OST CD? I remember ZUN's released small, 3 song mini-cds in the past, especially when it comes with something else. Like the SSiB or the PMiSS CD.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on September 04, 2016, 04:46:19 AM
Is this a full on music OST CD? I remember ZUN's released small, 3 song mini-cds in the past, especially when it comes with something else. Like the SSiB or the PMiSS CD.
I only know that ZUN said there's a lot of new soundtracks.  Depends on what he means by "a lot..."
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on September 04, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
Forgot to write about the game price:
JPY 4700 (w/ tax) for the physical edition, JPY 3800 for the digital edition.

Viewers all noticed that Reisen's Kunekune does not resemble the original humanoid creepypasta monster, but are modeled after Hattifnattar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattifattener), a clan of white stick-shaped creatures from the Moomin series.

Due to their anime adaptations, the Moomin series is well-known as a family brand in Japan.

Is this a full on music OST CD? I remember ZUN's released small, 3 song mini-cds in the past, especially when it comes with something else. Like the SSiB or the PMiSS CD.
It's bundled as a bonus item with the first printing of the physical edition. This indicates it to be a mini-OST.

EDIT:
Oh, another funny thing. I checked the Tasofro website half an hour before Friday's stream began, and the site still had the Asian IP block.

Less than an hour into the stream, I checked the website again, and the IP block was gone. It has not been turned on again, even now.

This somehow reminds me of "ZUN's Message to Asian Gamers", a video posted by Sony in July (be sure to watch it, it's quite interesting):
https://www.facebook.com/Touhou763/posts/1749396022014768
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Koneko on September 04, 2016, 07:46:10 PM
Kinda straight for him to worry about Asian fans not understanding Japanese culture
I mean, they do have differences, but still ...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on September 05, 2016, 05:36:30 AM
Amazon preorders are now available. (https://www.amazon.co.jp/Legend-Limbo-%E3%80%90%E5%88%9D%E5%9B%9E%E7%89%B9%E5%85%B8%E3%80%91%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E7%9A%84%E6%A5%BD%E6%9B%B2%E9%9B%86%E3%83%BB%E8%A3%9C-PlayStation-4%E7%89%88%E8%BF%BD%E5%8A%A0%E6%9B%B2%E5%8F%8E%E9%8C%B2CD/dp/B01LF2H7ES/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1473004573&sr=1-2) I'm not sure why they included screenshots of Genso Wanderer though.

Only tangentially related, but there was a stream for premium members of Nicovideo after the regular stream where they interviewed ZUN. Someone was nice enough to make a rough transcript, so I'll put some of the more interesting ones here:

Q. Do you have slumps and how do you get out of them?
A. I do, but I don't have any method other than drinking my way out.

Q. How long do you devote to your creative activities in a day?
A. About 8 hours, lately. It used to be more.

Q. Any recommendations for sightseeing in Nagano?
A. Hakuba

Q. What's your favorite proverb?
A. "Curses return upon the heads of those that curse." (but the Japanese version which is basically "Curses have two holes.")

Q. Why have the characters' clothes after defeating them not been as damaged as they had been?
A. Because the average age of people playing the games has gone down.

Q. What do you see as a good goal for making your own game?
A. Try to make it in less than a year.

Q. Do you have plans to add voices to your games?
A. Well, it's not that I don't want to...

Q. Do you have a PS4?
A. Yes

Q. Why did you call the games "Touhou"?
A. Ask the college me.

Q. Has having a child affected your works?
A. In the sense that my life in general affects my works.

Q. Why did you release Line Stickers?
A. Because someone made a set of imitation characters, so I did it to prevent it from getting worse.

Q. Any plans to release a game on PS4?
A. There was, but the PS4 didn't exist then.

Q. How can I make my fan works canon?
A. Bring them to the publisher! (No guarantees.)

Q. How long does it take for you to make a song? And what's your favorite?
A. Anywhere from 1-2 hours to a whole day. And while my favorites change a lot, I've liked Omiwa Legend for a while.

Q. Have you been to places related to your games?
A. I've been to some, but not others. And of course, I haven't been to the moon.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on September 05, 2016, 08:26:50 AM
The Amazon screenshots seem to have been corrected.

The product information has some interesting things to say. I presume it to be written by someone at Tasofro.

Quote from: First paragraph
The first ever console port of an official Touhou Project game!
The official works of Touhou Project thus far had all been released on PC, making this the first game to be ever ported to PlayStation 4. The game's PC version has high hardware requirements, and is distributed by doujin-only channels, limiting the demographic it can reach. Now ported to PS4, it will be able to reach a large audience who couldn't play it before.
Obviously the logic doesn't hold up, since while PC ownership among young Japanese people is dangerously low by developed country standards, their PS4 ownership can only be even lower. Nonetheless, here we can see ZUN's collaborators give their justification for ULiL, or even the entire Play,Doujin! program.

It also manages to make the game sound as unexciting as possible.

Q. What's your favorite proverb?
A. "Curses return upon the heads of those that curse." (but the Japanese version which is basically "Curses have two holes.")
That has always been his motto. The literal translation should be "he who curses another should dig two graves," one for the victim, one for himself.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on September 05, 2016, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: product information
The game's PC version has high hardware requirements
So 2 GHz multi-core CPU, 2 GB RAM, and 512 MB video RAM are considered high-end among Japanese users. Looks like everything I've read about computer usage in Japan have been correct, for the most part.

Quote from: product information
distributed by doujin-only channels, limiting the demographic it can reach
If I remember correctly, part of ZUN's guidelines on Touhou-derived products is that the should only be distributed through doujin-only channels. This definitely represents a shift in his views. Why it's limited to the PS4 is something I don't want to think about.

All in all I'm a bit disappointed at the direction this is all headed, with "non-doujin channel" distribution of ULiL limited to the PS4. I, as well as a lot of other people who imported the original PC version of the game, are hoping that Tasofro has it in them to port the new content to PC. Otherwise, this will be taken very negatively by their existing customer base and I can't see anything good come from that. It's not about a single game, but about setting a precedent for future development of games from all doujin circles and possibly ZUN himself.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on September 05, 2016, 02:17:56 PM
possibly ZUN himself.
It will be be a cold day in Old Hell if ZUN ever drops the PC for PS4.

I would argue that precedent has already been set, since nearly all the other games under the PlayDoujin label have expanded upon the PC releases without going back and adding that new content back in, and I haven't really seen much complaints about "splitting the user base" (although I don't go looking to be honest). And you mention "non-doujin" channels, but I think the mindset of the people behind PlayDoujin see the line between doujin and indie as blurred, and also want to help make it more accessible beyond fairly minor outfits like Toranoana to help create more aspiring game makers in Japan. It's certainly a bit of a gamble if existing players feel ripped off and decide to stop supporting anything Touhou or doujin-related, but I think it's worth pursuing.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
Q. Why did you release Line Stickers?
A. Because someone made a set of imitation characters, so I did it to prevent it from getting worse.

Pardon me if this has already been covered or is irrelevant, but what does that mean?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on September 06, 2016, 03:34:52 PM
There is a messaging service called Line that's hugely popular in Japan and other parts of Asia with moderate use elsewhere, with part of the reason being large cartoony stickers you could send to your friends. There's a huge market for both officially approved stickers by anime companies and anything else with marketable mascots, and independent creators who want to make their own thing (or companies who don't want to go the official route for whatever reason.)

Anyway, one of these independent creators made a set of stickers titled "Cookie Fairies" (probably in reference to a popular yuri-leaning Touhou video on Nicovideo) which were released near the beginning of the year. As can be seen here -- http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/46503394.html -- they were basically rip offs of Touhou characters. This eventually reached the attention of ZUN & co., and they eventually worked to release official stamps directly through Line a couple of weeks ago, where they instantly hit the top of the best-selling chart for a good while despite not being drawn by ZUN. - https://store.line.me/stickershop/product/6988/en

ZUN mentioned on Twitter soon after the release that he'll consider a second set if they sell well enough, so that much is more or less confirmed at this point. One strange thing though is that it seems the "Cookie Fairies" stickers have been delisted from the store. I'm not entirely familiar with the workings of the creator stickers, so either they were forced to take them down through TSA or some other entity, or they took them down out of respect for the real thing.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on September 07, 2016, 01:25:37 AM
Re: stickers, you should just think of them as really huge emoticons used in a feature-rich messaging environment.

I started working on a full report on the LINE stickers when they came out, but haven't had the time to finish it.

This eventually reached the attention of ZUN & co.
You say the rip-off series is a motivation behind the official stickers? That's a plausible reason, but is there a source on that? Admittedly I was busy during July and August, so I may have missed news from that period.

I did know that ZUN is a big user of LINE.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on September 07, 2016, 01:48:41 AM
My source is the same interview I translated a summary of above. Here's another article on tohomemory that elaborates a little more. http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/48371232.html
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on September 07, 2016, 01:46:29 PM
Here's another article on tohomemory that elaborates a little more. http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/48371232.html
Thanks, more stuff for the article!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Suwako Moriya on September 07, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
http://kilgamayan.tumblr.com/post/150059795476/been-in-this-fandom-since-2007-heres-a-picture

Man.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on September 07, 2016, 10:15:40 PM
nice shop
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: FearNagae on September 14, 2016, 05:13:09 AM
Well... what is everyone's opinion on PS4 ULiL?

I guess I can be fine with the conclusion of the Lunarian Arc being unplayable for me but I'm pretty butthurt because this sets a precedence for another PS4 release.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Koneko on September 14, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
I mean, at least we should remember that this is a fighting game from ZUN AND Tasofro, not the OG shootings that ZUN does
Still annoying as hell anyway ...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on September 14, 2016, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Iruka_Unabara_x_ZUN_interview
ZUN: Honestly speaking, I don't feel like releasing games there. Why not? Probably because I hate dealing with consoles.
Iruka: You did say that porting a finished game onto a console would be spending time on it again, so you don't really like it.
――: You don't like touching stuff you've done in the past?
ZUN: More like I don't see the point in making a game from the beginning just so you can play it on consoles. But if Tasogare-san's the one making it and Sony can be satisfied, that'd be nice. But it won't be just a simple port, that's what I thought.
I hate canon being console-exclusive as well, but if the above is true, we can at least count on ZUN not making console games himself.

If worst comes to worst, I can see someone ripping Reisen's data and transplanting it manually to the PC version somewhere down the line.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: SuperVehicle-001 on September 14, 2016, 08:37:15 PM
Count me in in the "dun like this at all" camp, especially now that it seems they won't port the new story/Reisen to the PC version.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Gpop on September 15, 2016, 03:36:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vajqc4txYU8

Official TGS trailer for Reisen and PS4 ULiL
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on September 15, 2016, 12:43:21 PM
If Reisen is really the only new addition, then I think this wouldn't be as big of a loss.  Having several new characters and being forced to get a new console and game disc to play them will be outrageous.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on October 09, 2016, 03:28:21 PM
Cover art revealed in today's (Oct 9) Play,Doujin! stream. The CERO rating is B (age 12 or above), same as the other Touhou games ported to PlayStation. The game will be demoed at Oct 16's Autumn Reitaisai.
(http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/be8f9ff3gw1f8memicm2ij20m70cpdhb.jpg)


New artwork from the Autumn Reitaisai website (click to link to the full-size image):
(http://reitaisai.com/arts3/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/09/92c770f90f5641c5f465cd4d022ddbc5-768x768.jpg) (http://reitaisai.com/arts3/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/09/92c770f90f5641c5f465cd4d022ddbc5.jpg)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on October 09, 2016, 09:04:46 PM
Huh, I see we have someone other than Reisen on the box. More playable characters? woo. At a glance it looks like Suika, but that'd be really random. Wonder who it could be.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Quwanti on October 09, 2016, 09:10:11 PM
Huh, I see we have someone other than Reisen on the box. More playable characters? woo. At a glance it looks like Suika, but that'd be really random. Wonder who it could be.
It's just this illustration (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/img/160509.jpg) Reimu.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: VTPHOENIX on October 09, 2016, 10:16:07 PM
It's just this illustration (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/img/160509.jpg) Reimu.

haha it totally looked like a horn! It's her stick...  :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Phasm on October 12, 2016, 06:51:49 PM
Well thats certainly dissapointing  :(
Was hoping for Yuugi having a little bit more screentime :(
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on October 15, 2016, 07:47:00 AM
One day before Autumn Reitaisai!

You can watch the short Reisen gameplay footage shown in last week's stream here (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29805606).

A 4Gamer Tora no Ana twitter post has the largest (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu2k9ilVYAEcydS.jpg:orig) version of the key art. The actual game cover might be reversible, with both the key art and its Touhou-traditional silhouette version?

Tasofro had acknowledged in the stream which one actually fits ZUN's style, and put the silhouette version up on their website (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/).

U2 (https://twitter.com/u2aki/status/787165933236162560) and JYUNYA (https://twitter.com/_jyunya/status/787166014886715392) have received the promotional decoration for game store racks demo stations. You can see three ULiL screenshots, and two contains new info. In one we can see Reisen's Eientei stage, and in another we can see Reisen has replaced the "Random" slot in the character select screen.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Lebon14 on October 15, 2016, 10:49:18 PM
It's just this illustration (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/img/160509.jpg) Reimu.
LOL, such a troll xD
Totally thought it was Suika too.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on October 16, 2016, 02:44:07 AM
Reisen's title (https://twitter.com/A_kotiya/status/787460223472508928): 禁視!狂気のくねくね兎

Translation: "Forbidden Sight! The Lunatic Kunekune Rabbit", "Forbidden Sight! The Twisting Rabbit of Insanity", etc.

I think it would do no harm to translate the monster kunekune as something like "twistie". I'm also ambivalent with translating every instance of 狂気 as "lunatic" when the English word "lunatic" is used with such specificity in the original text.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on October 16, 2016, 06:30:17 AM
Apparently Unabara said (https://twitter.com/Pidgeo_Piroku/status/787511048035106817) they still have plans to update the PC version. Not much more details.

The demo locks both characters to one spell card, "Fantasy Seal" for Reimu,  and "Stare of the Hazy Phantom Moon (Lunatic Red Eyes)" for Reisen. It's also unpausable, making the skill lists inaccessible.

Kunekune:
During an Occult Attack, Reisen pounds a mortar with her pestle (can cause damage), and the mortar stays on the field with the kunekune. Being within the kunekune's effect range or firing bullets through it will increase Reisen's Lunacy Gauge, and leaving it will deplete the gauge. When the gauge is full, Reisen becomes powered up, increasing the ranges of most her projectiles.

Reisen's specials:
5C: like Disorder Eye, splits into clones towards both sides.
2C: like Illusionary Blast, shoots out a wide cone-shaped beam.
4C: shoots out a large, high-speed bullet.
6C: like Disbelief Aspect, splits vertically into clones who shoot together
8C: throws out a crate; input 8C again to detonate the crate, splashing toxin that poisons the opponent (damage over time).

Her Weird Last Word is a full-screen attack.

In overall, players say Reisen is at least harder to use than appears in last week's footage, and maybe downright weak. However, ZUN seemed to have actually said (https://twitter.com/KLR02run/status/787521022350065664) on stage today that Reisen is weak and should not be a strong character, so this may be lore-mandated. In any case, she can only become stronger in balance changes, right?

Sources: 1 (https://twitter.com/yaeda_factory/with_replies), 2 (https://twitter.com/Pidgeo_Piroku/with_replies)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Nyxnyx on October 18, 2016, 08:43:41 PM
Apparently Unabara said (https://twitter.com/Pidgeo_Piroku/status/787511048035106817) they still have plans to update the PC version. Not much more details.

The demo locks each character to one spell card, "Fantasy Seal" for Reimu, "Master Spark" for Marisa, and "Stare of the Hazy Phantom Moon (Lunatic Red Eyes)" for Reisen. It's also unpausable, making the skill lists inaccessible.

Kunekune:
During an Occult Attack, Reisen pounds a mortar with her pestle (can cause damage), and the mortar stays on the field with the kunekune. Being within the kunekune's effect range or firing bullets through it will increase Reisen's Lunacy Gauge, and leaving it will deplete the gauge. When the gauge is full, Reisen becomes powered up, increasing the ranges of most her projectiles.

Reisen's specials:
5C: like Disorder Eye, splits into clones towards both sides.
2C: like Illusionary Blast, shoots out a wide cone-shaped beam.
4C: shoots out a large, high-speed bullet.
6C: like Disbelief Aspect, splits vertically into clones who shoot together
8C: throws out a crate; input 8C again to detonate the crate, splashing toxin that poisons the opponent (damage over time).

Her Weird Last Word is a full-screen attack.

In overall, players say Reisen is at least harder to use than appears in last week's footage, and maybe downright weak. However, ZUN seemed to have actually said (https://twitter.com/KLR02run/status/787521022350065664) on stage today that Reisen is weak and should not be a strong character, so this may be lore-mandated. In any case, she can only become stronger in balance changes, right?

Sources: 1 (https://twitter.com/yaeda_factory/with_replies), 2 (https://twitter.com/Pidgeo_Piroku/with_replies)

The power scale feels a bit off. As "weak" as she is, she's still a playable character on LoLK and the bosses got their ass handed by her. Does this mean those guys are weak too?

Also I wanna know if Sumireko is considered "weak". SInce, well, high school girl! :D
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: andykhang on October 19, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Well, considering what her power is, and Touhou's general mentality... yeah she would be "weak" . There just isn't much leverage she could rely on against them.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on October 19, 2016, 03:26:33 PM
The power scale feels a bit off. As "weak" as she is, she's still a playable character on LoLK and the bosses got their ass handed by her. Does this mean those guys are weak too?
Winning doesn't mean she's stronger. In PoFV and the fighters everyone beats and loses to everyone else despite the difference in power (with rare exceptions). Besides, giving a chance to weaker characters is the whole point of the SC rules.

Still, even if stage =/= power, seeing her considered a weak character is a bit surprising and unusual for a stage 5 boss.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on October 19, 2016, 04:05:08 PM
Without trying to start a power level discussion, what ZUN said could mean a lot of things. Maybe he meant weak compared to the rest of the ULiL cast. Most of the characters in ULiL are pretty powerful, unlike in Hisou where it was a mixed bag.

Or he could have meant weak in the grand scheme of things- Reisen certainly isn't Reimu/Yukari/Sagume/etc, though she's probably stronger than all of the fairies in Gensokyo.

Plus, strength is really vague. Reisen's always relied mostly on illusions and medicines in her fighting style. Those things obviously aren't geared towards blowing up a city. She might be the type to win more through trickery and cunning than straight power. And we've always known that about her, so ZUN saying she's weak shouldn't be a surprise if that's what he meant.

I don't think anyone should take the comment to extremes.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shizzo on October 19, 2016, 08:06:39 PM
If I remember correctly, her scenario (and overall appearance) is supposed to happen after LoLK, correct?

Perhaps speaking from a lore standpoint, since the urban legends fad is fading, maybe since she's just started using one of her own to fight that has taken a toll on her overall power?  I mean, the legends aren't supposed to linger around forever. 

Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on October 19, 2016, 08:45:29 PM
Is that twitter post even remotely reliable to begin with?

If yes, then um, wow. Why say that about the sole character you want people to buy your fighting game twice for?
Especially considering how rarely ZUN actually states anything about the power level of the girls and nothing suggesting Reisen isn't reasonably competent before.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on October 20, 2016, 03:04:59 AM
To note, the twitter post is an offhand comment barely remembering what was likely an offhand comment itself. I wouldn't suggest it's "unreliable", but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Clarste on October 20, 2016, 06:15:44 AM
If I remember correctly, her scenario (and overall appearance) is supposed to happen after LoLK, correct?

Perhaps speaking from a lore standpoint, since the urban legends fad is fading, maybe since she's just started using one of her own to fight that has taken a toll on her overall power?  I mean, the legends aren't supposed to linger around forever.

It's sort of a plot point in the manga that the Urban Legend incident hasn't died down at all. Something about whatever the Lunarians did may have altered Gensokyo on a fundamental level (the imagery used was "already gotten into the roots of the tree"). Frankly I was assuming that Reisen's storyline would address this somehow.

Is that twitter post even remotely reliable to begin with?

If yes, then um, wow. Why say that about the sole character you want people to buy your fighting game twice for?
Especially considering how rarely ZUN actually states anything about the power level of the girls and nothing suggesting Reisen isn't reasonably competent before.

You should probably calm down about this. ZUN has always been rude to his characters, that's nothing new.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Tiamat on October 22, 2016, 10:56:01 AM
Yea, maybe he was just taking a jab just for fun like how Cirno is a 9.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on October 23, 2016, 08:20:41 AM
Touhou is a comedy, and comedy characters are defined by their incompetencies and failures, not by their strengths.

Footage of ZUN playing Reisen in yesterday's Play,Doujin! stream:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29889593

Captures of Reisen's intro and victory animations courtesy of enjou_7743:
https://twitter.com/enjou_7743/status/789873241699393536

Her Weird Last Word is called
*もうお前は狂つている!*
* You are already crazy! *

At the same time as the stream, Tasofro website was updated (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou145ps4/shop.html) with a page for available storefronts, including info on the numerous bonus items. None of them seems to contain any new artwork.

(The IP-block also has gone up again.)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on October 23, 2016, 11:39:55 AM
Captures of Reisen's intro and victory animations courtesy of enjou_7743:
https://twitter.com/enjou_7743/status/789873241699393536
Incoming fan arts of Tewi pushing Reisen...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Tiamat on October 24, 2016, 02:19:19 AM
Those are hilarious.  Nice coincidence that you posted that just as the thread was talking about how ZUN pokes fun at his characters.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Komeiji11 on October 26, 2016, 06:57:18 PM
I kind of imagine Reisen will be a bit like Alice. Hard to get into but if you take time to figure her out she can get stuff done. But to be fair, compared to everyone else in ULIL she is considerably weaker game-wise. Everybody else except Ichirin and Futo have been end or extra boss in their own games. And I'd imagine Reisen's abilities would have zero effect on Koishi.

On a tangent, I'm low-key hoping ZUN decides to patch in Clownpiece what with all the clown sightings in America. I'm actually kind of looking forward to it becoming an urban legend if the craze keeps up long enough.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: kaabiimaster on October 29, 2016, 12:55:59 AM
did they announce anymore characters alongside reisen?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on October 29, 2016, 06:46:02 AM
They haven't and they've given no indication they will.

Even if they did, people are just going to complain that they won't be added to the PC version anyway.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Phasm on October 29, 2016, 11:37:04 AM
Here's the thing though, assuming that the next fighiting game has the " flying touhou fight engine " then everyone from HM and ULIL ( including Reisen ) will be available on the next fighter + a few new faces.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: PK on October 29, 2016, 01:16:43 PM
Well, the guy from tasofro said they reached their objectives as far as fighting games go, and they need some stimulation. Maybe they are going to try another genre instead?
What kind of games would suit official Touhou works aside of shooters and fighters?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Phasm on October 29, 2016, 02:45:36 PM
I think an RPG would fit Touhou, i mean it's not like it hasn't been done before and it would also allow for more character development. Aside from that... something highly unlikely Metroidvania?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
While Touhou works well for RPG formats I don't think there'd be an -official- RPG (When you have to be -totally- canon it just doesn't fit as well), and it doesn't really seem like Tasofro's style, looking at the other fangames they've made that aren't official (Grief Syndrome, Satori Komeiji's Mental Education, MegaMari)

Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: kaabiimaster on October 29, 2016, 06:09:28 PM
i'd kinda like to see seija or clownpiece in a fighter
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Tiamat on October 30, 2016, 01:04:02 AM
An RPG in Gensokyo would require ZUN to do an actual map of Gensokyo to scale.  I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to do that.  (If I were ZUN, I sure as hell wouldn't want to do that.  It'd be REALLY restrictive for a series that you don't plan on ending any time soon)

Of course, I suppose he could set it in another setting I suppose if he really wanted to, like a portion of Makai or a labyrinth (*sideways glance*) or whatever.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on October 30, 2016, 08:51:46 AM
The series is supposed to be short, simple, and arcade-styled, so RPGs won't do.

I can see a beat'em up happening.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on October 31, 2016, 03:58:46 PM
The way I see it now, the existence of the Tasofro Touhou fighting series was a happy coincidence, and not something we should take for guaranteed. Unabara designed them to realize his vision of creating games modeled after Astra SuperStars, while ZUN was more approachable because it happened in the early days, before Touhou became too big and attracted too much attention and commercial interest, Neither party has any obligation or strong incentive to keep making official Touhou spinoffs; they make them because they wanted to. Profit certainly has never been Tasofro's main motivation - otherwise they would keep pumping out expansion packs to SWR, rather than sticking to the HM system when it already proved highly unpopular.

In short, while this may not be the end of Tasofro spinoffs (Me? Still waiting for playable Kaguya myself), as Tasofro move on towards new goals, there may always come a day when they part ways with ZUN as co-developers.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on November 10, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw4qxlIVEAAZLAG.jpg)
Unabara posted (https://twitter.com/unabara/status/796621276701978624) Reisen's skill list, to be used for this weekend's demo station at Akihabara Gamers.

Translation of new stuff:
5C: Disorder Eye: Input 4 or 6 during action to select where Reisen will appear
6C: Lunatic Gun (high speed bullet)
8C: Medicine Chest: Input C for an additional attack (denotating the poison chest)
2C: Lunatic Clamp (cone-shaped beam)
4C: Disbelief Aspect

Occult Special Attack: "You See It, You Go Crazy!"
Creates a Kunekune that reacts to some of Reisen's attacks; Reisen becomes enhanced with the increase of the opponent's Insanity Gauge


I wonder if "Lunatic Clamp" is "Lunatic Lamp" misspelt, but with ZUN, you never know.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: dranxis on November 22, 2016, 10:59:08 PM
I didn't see this question asked here, but if it did get asked already I apologize:

I'm planning on ordering a physical copy of this game. Do we know if it'll be region-locked? I live in the US, and was planning on getting the PS4 slim that just came out to play it, along with a few other games.

According to google, whether a game is region-locked depends on the developer... But I don't play very many games tbh, so I don't know how often games are actually region-locked on PS4.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on November 23, 2016, 03:11:31 AM
No PS4 game has been known to actually implement region-lock so far. Unless Tasofro has the unlikely plan to set a rare precedence, you should be safe.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: dranxis on November 23, 2016, 03:43:34 AM
Thanks for the fast response! Yeah, I hadn't heard of it happening before but thought I'd double check.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on December 06, 2016, 02:41:40 PM
Ah, two days until Dec 8.

Tasofro (https://twitter.com/tasofro/status/804287330445971456) said they are working on the 1.40 patch for the PC version.

Exophase, a website that always gets PSN trophy info the earliest, now have the ULiL trophy list (https://www.exophase.com/game/%e6%9d%b1%e6%96%b9%e6%b7%b1%e7%a7%98%e9%8c%b2%e3%80%80%ef%bd%9e-urban-legend-in-limbo-ps4/). It seems against the unstoppable force that is Sony's trophy policy, ZUN's distaste for achievements is not an immovable object.

Only three of the trophies are silver; the rest are bronze.

Translation:
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Done Reading the Manual
Beat all tutorials.

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Inquiring Mind
Spend a little time playing with Practice Mode.

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From Now On Even You Could Be Normal!!
Beat Arcade Mode on Easy.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/0/01/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%874.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%874.png)
Made Up My Mind to Go Hard
Beat Arcade Mode on Normal.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/4/48/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%875.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%875.png)
Lunatic Beckons
Beat Arcade Mode on Hard.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/0/04/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%876.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%876.png)
OVER DRIVE!!
Beat Arcade Mode on Lunatic.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/5/5c/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%877.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%877.png)
A Supernova Falls (Silver)
Vanquish EX Mokou.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/5/53/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%878.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%878.png)
Surpasser of the High School Girls (Silver)
Vanquish EX Sumireko.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/6/69/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%879.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%879.png)
Urban Legends Drawing Near
Beat Reimu's Story Mode.

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Insert a Coin
Use a continue.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/1/17/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8711.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8711.png)
From Now On Even You Could Be a High School Girl!!
Unlock Sumireko for Vs. Mode.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/6/66/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8712.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8712.png)
So Long, Occult Balls
Beat all Story Modes.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/f/ff/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8713.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8713.png)
to be continue
Beat Extra Mode.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/e/ef/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8714.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8714.png)
An Urban Legend Manifests
K.O. the opponent with a seven-Ball Weird Last Word.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/c/c8/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8715.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8715.png)
Flawless Victory
Achieve a Perfect Win.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/d/d5/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8716.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8716.png)
Die with Bombs
Fail to use a spell card after declaration.

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I'm Not Handing This to You!!
Become the sole owner of all Occult Balls.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/d/de/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8718.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%8718.png)
Pichuun!! (Silver)
Achieve 10000 combo damage.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shadowlupus on December 06, 2016, 03:06:52 PM
So judging from the achievements, Reisen and the extra story seem to be the only new things added for the PS4 version.

I wonder if Ex Mokou and Ex Sumireko are them powered-up or just in the extra story as a final boss(?)

EDIT: Beat all tutorials? Does this mean the tutorial is added? unless it is the same one from Reimu's prologue of course.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Suwako Moriya on December 06, 2016, 03:15:18 PM
(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/4/48/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%875.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%875.png)
Lunatic Beckons
Beat Arcade Mode on Hard.

(http://upload.thwiki.cc/thumb/0/04/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%876.png/80px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E6%B7%B1%E7%A7%98%E5%BD%95PSN%E6%88%90%E5%B0%B1%E5%9B%BE%E6%A0%876.png)
OVER DRIVE!!
Beat Arcade Mode on Lunatic.

Oh look, Miko > Byakuren once again.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on December 06, 2016, 11:36:35 PM
Oh look, Miko > Byakuren once again.

That is the truth! Foolish Buddhists will NEVER comprehend the glory of the Tao!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TenPlates on December 06, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
That is the truth! Foolish Buddhists will NEVER comprehend the glory of the Tao!

Of course they don't! Thou know a lot, my friend.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on December 07, 2016, 12:08:51 PM
The good thing with retail games is you get early spoilers. An archived stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySlQ7v8p8Wk) is already on Youtube.

Reisen's new spell cards (http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw690/be8f9ff3gw1faio04yb84j20jk0jzgts.jpg):
「月面跳弾(ルナティックダブル)」
"Moon Surface Ricochet (Lunatic Double)"

「地上跳弾(ルナティックエコー)」
"Earth Surface Ricochet (Lunatic Echo)"

The game probably implements PS4's spoiler block function to prevent certain parts from being broadcast.

Arcade mode has a new Over Drive difficulty.

The Eientei stage is not much to write home about (http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/be8f9ff3gw1faio170kznj20zk0k0dhz.jpg).

Reisen's gun transforms easily, including into a shotgun form. She sprays bullets with two guns (http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/be8f9ff3gw1faiolhbgzzj20ka0fc0v6.jpg) in "Moon Surface Ricochet".

Reisen defeated. (http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/be8f9ff3gw1faio0i9wbrj20zl0k149t.jpg)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on December 07, 2016, 08:30:55 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO whats da story?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TenPlates on December 08, 2016, 01:58:48 AM
The Eientei stage is not much to write about (http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/be8f9ff3gw1faio170kznj20zk0k0dhz.jpg)
.

Pretty sure that stage it's gonna be like the Outside World stage, always moving.

And about the story... I got three guesses.

1- Something about the Lunar Capital invasion incident or about the moon in general
2- Something about the urban legend incident, like always.
3- Something that will give backstory to a new touhou game, like how this game did with LoLK
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on December 08, 2016, 04:02:57 AM
Pretty sure that stage it's gonna be like the Outside World stage, always moving.

Sadly, not. It is just a static background.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: cuc on December 08, 2016, 06:51:39 AM
The game was released on PS Store around 10:30 AM JST, and received a Day One 1.01 patch around 13AM JST.

Unabara tweeted (https://twitter.com/unabara/status/806724612662837249) a secret code for PC version players who want to play Extra Mode immediately:

Press the Options button 128 times at the title screen to unlock characters and Extra Mode.


UPDATE:
EX Mokou (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzI4bKtUcAA97b3.jpg) and EX Sumireko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzndc7P3gqs) are meant to be EX characters in the Guilty Gear sense.
They are bosses of Arcade Mode's Over Drive difficulty, with very high stats but no new abilities.

The Extra Mode is graphically splashy, with several new boss spell cards, but you are not missing out on the story if you know nothing about it. It simply
sets up a new unexplained incident for what likely will be Touhou 16, using existing characters.

In other words, whatever central conceit introduced in Extra Mode will definitely be repeated in other places. The rest are interesting and subtle details.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Quwanti on December 08, 2016, 04:30:54 PM
So the mini OST has the following tracks:
1. 狂気の瞳 ~ Invisible Full Moon (BeatMario)
2. ネオ竹林インフレイム
3. 億万劫の鐘      
4. オカルトアトラクト // Occult Attract
5. 境界フォークロア
6. アンノウンX ~ Occultly Madness (ZUN) // Unknown X ~ Occultly Madness
7. 相貌の狂い ~ Horrible Night (U2 & ZUN)

Here is a stream of the extra stage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcAu1lU6vog). All the above mentioned tracks appear in it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Plubio on December 08, 2016, 05:43:41 PM
1. 狂気の瞳 ~ Invisible Full Moon (BeatMario)
2. ネオ竹林インフレイム
3. 億万劫の鐘      
4. オカルトアトラクト // Occult Attract
5. 境界フォークロア
6. アンノウンX ~ Occultly Madness (ZUN) // Unknown X ~ Occultly Madness
7. 相貌の狂い ~ Horrible Night (U2 & ZUN)

So, something like:

1. Lunatic Eyes ~ Invisible Full Moon
2. Neo Bamboo Forest in Flames
3. Million of Kalpa Bell
4. Occult Attract
5. Boundary Folclore
6. Unknown X ~ Occultly Madness
7. Looks Confusion ~ Horrible Night

Or so.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on December 08, 2016, 06:57:06 PM
Oh man that Ninja Slayer reference.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Serela on December 08, 2016, 07:46:27 PM
Unabara tweeted (https://twitter.com/unabara/status/806724612662837249) a secret code for PC version players who want to play Extra Mode immediately:

Press the Options button 128 times at the title screen to unlock characters and Extra Mode.
So... enter the config menu and back out 128 times? There's no new update, so has this secretly been there for months or something? <.< I'm not sure I understand.

The extra stage is... definitely something though XD And it's nice to hear that soft-confirming in some form or another (even if I don't get it) that PC is getting extra+reisen.

edit:Maybe he just means once 1.4 is out, you can use this without beating story mode to get them immediately... that'd make more sense, now that I think about it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: dark36 on December 08, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
So... enter the config menu and back out 128 times? There's no new update, so has this secretly been there for months or something? <.< I'm not sure I understand.

The extra stage is... definitely something though XD And it's nice to hear that soft-confirming in some form or another (even if I don't get it) that PC is getting extra+reisen.

edit:Maybe he just means once 1.4 is out, you can use this without beating story mode to get them immediately... that'd make more sense, now that I think about it.
on the ps4 one of the buttons is called options so if you dont want to replay the story you can press it 128 times to unlock the new content.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ToyoRai on December 08, 2016, 08:30:18 PM
Extra Mode video (https://youtu.be/hcAu1lU6vog?t=8m19s)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Suspicious person on December 08, 2016, 10:49:29 PM
Oh wow, extra stage is indeed pretty flashy. I have to admit I actually went "ooooh" on some of these spellcards. Can't wait for 1.40 !

Also, could a nice person make a gif out of Reisen scratching herself ? It's kinda cute...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TenPlates on December 08, 2016, 10:53:15 PM
Extra Mode video (https://youtu.be/hcAu1lU6vog?t=8m19s)

I... Don't really know what is happening... But it look interesting.

Why did all of the spell cards had a blue and red shield? What happened to Reimu? Why is the moon red? So many questions...
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: gilde on December 09, 2016, 03:05:32 AM
Summary of dialogue for anyone interested.

Stage 1:
Reimu shows up to investigate rumors of the kune-kune appearing in the forest. She says she's been keeping an eye out to make sure nobody misuses the urban legends (...but really she's just kind of peeved that the incident hasn't ended yet and she can't do anything about it.) She heard that the Lunarians were the cause of the incident, so she accuses Reisen and co., which leads to a fight. Reisen reassures her that trouble in the Lunar Capital was the cause of the incident, and that it's already out of their hands.

Stage 2:
Byakuren shows up, having investigated the continuing incident. She's noticed that only legends with concrete details will take physical form, that a given person can only control a legend that matches their temperament, and that the phenomenon is strongest when the moon is full (particularly the most recent full moon). She suspects that Eientei's involved; they fight. Reisen reassures her that Eientei is neutral on the matter, and in fact were the ones responsible for defanging the incident; it's been 'changed into something safe' and will end soon on its own. Byakuren's like 'well then I better get my motorbiking on while I still can' and vrooms on outta there.

*note:
I'm taking Byakuren's description and Reisen's comments about 'defanging' to mean that dangerous phenomena like the Apollo hoax no longer have a chance of manifesting? altho I could always be wrong abt that

Stage 3:
Reisen speculates that the kune-kune rumor was started by someone who saw her white ears in the forest, and confused them for the creature in the urban legend. She's surprised that Sagume's power even affects rumors that spread unintentionally like that. Miko shows up (using hermit arts to nullify Kaguya's endless-corridor spell), they fight, and Reisen reassures her that the incident has been defanged and there's no need to worry. As thanks, Miko tells Reisen about a separate incident that could potentially be even more dangerous...

Stage 4:
According to Miko, there've been cases of people having their minds taken over and losing control of their bodies. Interestingly enough, the people who've been using urban legends are most at risk. Reisen suspects that someone's taking advantage of the urban legend incident to cause this separate phenomenon, which has no connection to either Eirin or Sagume's plans. Miko cited Reimu as an example, so Reisen heads over to talk to her. Reimu felt like she couldn't sleep and found herself walking outside without really knowing why; she then starts to lose control of her body, and... is suddenly replaced with Mokou? Mokou says she was just closing her eyes and meditating out in the forest, when *poof* she was over here suddenly. Then Mokou assumes that Eientei's using her as a test subject for weird experiments or something and so they fight.

Dunno what happens in the ending 'cos it's spoiler-blocked.

The red/blue shields just seem to be a replacement for the Occult Spell system in regular Story Mode (the purple meter on the UI tracks the shield strength now).
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shizzo on December 09, 2016, 03:12:06 AM
Summary of dialogue for anyone interested.

Thanks for the summary guilde!!

Interesting of what happened with Reimu and Mokou, too.... In WaHH there was that 'humaning away' problem which happened with people who were sleeping when Sumireko was coming over and visiting.  But now it seems that it happened between Reimu and Mokou, one who couldn't sleep and the other who seemingly was just about to sleep.  I'm betting on this new incident having to do with dream souls and some kind of new imbalance happening because of Sumireko's arrival fiddling with it.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Gray21oh on December 09, 2016, 01:12:25 PM
So... enter the config menu and back out 128 times? There's no new update, so has this secretly been there for months or something? <.< I'm not sure I understand.

Cuc means that for PC players who have bought the PS4 version to immediately access the Extra mode they have to press the Options button on the PS4 controller 128 times so they can get it off the bat.

I think the way cuc worded that was kinda poor and could lead to a big misconception.

Also god damn them plot details.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on December 09, 2016, 01:29:31 PM
So what is the change regarding Reisen that ZUN said would offend people?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Suwako Moriya on December 09, 2016, 01:42:38 PM
Miko shows up (using hermit arts to nullify Kaguya's endless-corridor spell)

rofl get fucked

(EDIT: Not you, gilde, the character in that spoiler)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Splashman on December 10, 2016, 02:49:44 AM
Transcript all done (I hope I didn't miss anything): http://pastebin.com/reDR7L5t

Now someone translate it please :)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TenPlates on December 10, 2016, 02:59:55 AM
I'm betting on this new incident having to do with dream souls and some kind of new imbalance happening because of Sumireko's arrival fiddling with it.

Does that mean that
Doremy Sweet and the Dream World will come back?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: KaiserKnuckle on December 10, 2016, 03:59:24 AM
Does that mean that
Doremy Sweet and the Dream World will come back?

If TH16 has any more connections to the Dream World, then chances are that the Dream Souls in this context (which only come about due to the alternate body Sumireko has when in Gensokyo) have different connotations to the Dream Souls that exist within the Dream World.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on December 10, 2016, 11:43:09 AM
The ending is also available in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pU3CFKNO-A) if someone would be so kind to try their hand at translating (spoilers, obviously).
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Splashman on December 10, 2016, 12:40:10 PM
The ending is also available in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pU3CFKNO-A) if someone would be so kind to try their hand at translating (spoilers, obviously).

Thanks for that, Ending transcription added: http://pastebin.com/reDR7L5t
Will do the epilogue later. It takes a bit longer because the font is harder to recognize. Done.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Kulgia on December 10, 2016, 01:40:39 PM
Is there a possibility that this game will come out in English? Or western release?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Serela on December 10, 2016, 03:29:52 PM
There's been extremely limited levels of western release for a few games recently so it's not entirely out of the question, but it's pretty unlikely. You'll have to stick to playing it on PC for english. However, in a fighting game, the language isn't super important anyway- spellcards all come with pictures, main menu is already english, it's basically only story dialogue/endings (which can be read on the wiki in english), etc, so you could still play it in ps4 if you really wanted, assuming you can get your hands on it. (I don't know how ps4 stuff works but I don't -think- they region lock?)

But yeah, actual official english release is pretty unlikely. (Even the "western release" of DDC only translated the config file, anyway...)
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: gilde on December 11, 2016, 01:35:27 AM
Ending TL summary~.
Despite Mokou's obvious advantage in endurance matches, Reisen manages to win, because Mokou poofs back into Reimu. Reimu's sore all over and understandably frazzled, but Reisen explains what happened.
Reisen reports to Eirin, assuming that the incident is more Lunar Capital stuff that her master will safely take care of for her. But Eirin, to Reisen's shock, says that she has no idea what it could be; it's solely Gensokyo's problem, so the Earth residents should be the ones to investigate. Just as Reisen told Miko and Byakuren, Eientei always takes a neutral position-- but Reisen herself feels motivated to go out and deal with the incident, proving yet again that she's well and truly become a rabbit of the Earth.

Then the credits roll...

...and what I assume to be
''Distortion of Appearances ~ Horrible Night''
starts playing.

Quote from: Epilogue
---Then, just after she started to investigate.
Events similar to Reimu and Mokou's experience started happening one after another.
Humans would suddenly appear, seeming to have teleported. And other humans would disappear at the same time.
According to the humans who experienced it, it seemed as if someone had taken over control of their body.
But to outside observers it looked less like mind control, and more like people were switching places, body and all.
In a rather troublesome turn of events, everyone began to get used to this abnormal situation.
Some people even took advantage of it, saying that they could use the phenomenon to visit their favorite places whenever they wanted. This was one of Gensokyo's bad habits.

And at the time...
Nobody had the slightest inkling that this incident
would unfold into an absolutely horrible conflict.

Also,
Distortion of Appearances is apparently a U2 arrangement of something ZUN originally composed. ...my gut feeling is it's gonna be the touhou 16 title theeeeme
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: game2011 on December 11, 2016, 04:17:14 AM
I guess
the epilogue is foreshadowing the next game's plot.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: TresserT on December 11, 2016, 05:02:04 AM
Phantasmagoria?!? Maribel?!? Mima????

So it seems like Reisen might be playable in the next game too. iiiiiiinteresting.

I'm also wondering if this means we'll be getting a team system, since switching places with another human sort of seems to imply that.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on December 11, 2016, 07:30:28 AM
i like this theme of zun abusing convenient writing powers in the fighting games to segue into the next shooting game
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Shadowlupus on December 11, 2016, 08:50:20 AM
Well, looks like Sequel Hook is now the recurring theme in Touhou

Obligatory Mima might or might not return in Touhou X. Find out in Touhou (X-1)!
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: ninryu on December 11, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
Remember the days the Touhou games were mostly stand-alone stories about very old supernatural beings getting bored and goofing around? Well screw that, Gensoukyou almost got destroyed in like three games in a row.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: CrystalCreation on December 11, 2016, 05:22:40 PM
Kinda cute how they use score items and fairies as training partners in the tutorial.

(http://orig10.deviantart.net/6553/f/2016/346/7/7/ulil_score_crop_by_crystalcreation-dare1sl.png)

(http://orig11.deviantart.net/3133/f/2016/346/8/4/ulil_fairy_1_crop_by_crystalcreation-dare1t8.png)

(http://orig09.deviantart.net/bd9b/f/2016/346/b/6/ulil_fairy_3_crop_by_crystalcreation-dare1to.png)

(http://orig13.deviantart.net/0a76/f/2016/346/c/7/ulil_fairy_4_crop_by_crystalcreation-dare1u0.png)

Screenshots taken from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQqz-PLEDE).
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: the old guy on December 11, 2016, 11:21:36 PM
Awwwww, poor fairy, you can just tell from her face in the last image that she doesn't wanna be there  :(

Raymoo is such a bully.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Mary Sue on December 12, 2016, 06:46:18 PM
Greatly appreciate all the transcripts, summaries and translations.

Any chance we'll get the full ending translated eventually? Not sure if with the whole posting endings being a taboo thing people would be willing to translate and post it but it's kind of a shame non-japanese speakers like myself have no way to actually know what is happening this time around so I'm looking forward to any development.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Mary Sue on December 15, 2016, 01:27:59 AM
If anyone else still cares: I got a translation from Touhou Patch Center and the epilogue that was translated here earlier and made it into a video. Hope it's alright to post for the people who don't speak japanese.
https://youtu.be/o31BlspeYwM
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Jeremie on December 15, 2016, 02:49:28 AM
If anyone else still cares: I got a translation from Touhou Patch Center and the epilogue that was translated here earlier and made it into a video. Hope it's alright to post for the people who don't speak japanese.
https://youtu.be/o31BlspeYwM

Thanks. ~ I know it's been mentioned before but the whole
neutrality
thing leaves me wondering about a few things. Isn't that contradicting some established things about the folks in Eientei? I remember a dialogue bit where Eirin says that they're residents of Earth now and various elements that seemed to establish that as a fact.  Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if
Eirin already knew what Reisen had in mind anyway and acted accordingly
. Granted, she gets punished in a chapter of FS but she was involved in some older events and she was just fine.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Chill Observer on December 15, 2016, 12:35:51 PM
It's not really "taboo" to post ending stuff anymore. Just make sure to spoiler mark them.

Seems like it's pretty interesting stuff from what I've been hearing, though.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: UTW on December 17, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
So what should 億万劫の鐘 and 狂相貌の狂い ~ Horrible Night be translated as? For the wiki. I've seen Distortion of Appearances upthread and Bell of a Billion Kalpas, with some idea of my own of what it is,  but I'm no translator.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: kaabiimaster on December 19, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
ive heard that zun said there would be a "previously existing returning character"

is this true?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Serela on December 19, 2016, 09:53:52 PM
Are you thinking of 15.5? It's very confirmed at this point that the only new 14.5 character for the ps4 release is Reisen. For 15.5, it's reasonable to expect at least one character that isn't new, but wasn't in HM/ULiL.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: hazerddex on January 13, 2017, 03:59:22 AM
is it bad that im still hopeful for the slim chance that we get a patch for the pc ULiL?
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Serela on January 13, 2017, 02:45:16 PM
There could be another balance patch, but they've pretty much explicitly said in interviews they're not adding the new content to it. There's not really a "slim chance" at this point.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: SuperVehicle-001 on January 13, 2017, 10:05:52 PM
Wasn't it confirmed that they were working on a "1.40" patch for the PC game? It could be the one to port all the new content back. Maybe. Hopefully.

I just really want to fight EX-Sumireko.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Leon゠Helsing on January 14, 2017, 12:08:48 AM
I just really want to fight EX-Sumireko.
What, no love for Gold SolEX-Mokou? :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on January 14, 2017, 05:29:06 AM
Wasn't it confirmed that they were working on a "1.40" patch for the PC game? It could be the one to port all the new content back. Maybe. Hopefully.
It was said within like 30 seconds of each other during the Play,Doujin year-end party that they were planning 1.40 and also that there were no plans to add Reisen, hence no Extra.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: SuperVehicle-001 on January 14, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
It was said within like 30 seconds of each other during the Play,Doujin year-end party that they were planning 1.40 and also that there were no plans to add Reisen, hence no Extra.

There goes that, then. Sucks.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on January 14, 2017, 07:47:55 PM
You sure? I mean, a balance patch is pointless with AoCF around the corner and I'm pretty certain it wouldn't take them this long. Not to mention the logic behind making a preview of new content and said new content proper on two different platforms.

I was planning a local tournament as a sendoff for ULiL once Reisen hits the PC version, so I'm kinda hopeful there.  :V
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Ripaah on January 14, 2017, 09:54:37 PM
Why restrict PC players from Extra content? It was the PC players who funded all the games, right? I don't see any reason at all.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: N-Forza on January 15, 2017, 04:46:57 AM
First off, game devs don't owe you anything. They already provided you with a game after you purchased it. Whether or not it includes free DLC afterwards is entirely at their discretion.

Secondly, believe it or not, developing for PCs and PS4s are fairly different, and it would be pretty tough for a small outfit like Tasofro to modify the extra content back to the PC. And if they're already working on the next PC game on top of that, that makes it all the more pointless for them to add a relatively minor feature (as a free patch, at that). I would even bet money that Reisen will be in that next game anyway. So either buy a PS4 and import the game (which is surprisingly painless) or suck it up and wait.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on January 15, 2017, 10:57:43 AM
They've already said Reisen will be in AoCF, so you'd win that bet.


To think of it as "PC players gave you money for a product and now you owe them more than the product" is frankly a horrible mentality. Using the language "restrict players from content" and "funding" (as though buying a game = funding) is also loaded as balls and I would call both invalid statements. On top of that it's splitting the consumerbase into "PC player" and "PS4 player" which is not actually a thing.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Critz on January 16, 2017, 02:09:51 AM
Easy. I just wanted people's opinion at how likely it is to have the content ported. If they won't do this, I don't care either way. For all the ZUN's talk about how offensive the new story will be, there's nothing new about Reisen's character at all and only some AoCF teasing, so it might well be treated as fanon. And unlike 12.3, Reisen's pretty bad, so it's more akin to the Meiling patch to IaMP than anything. I'll just suck it up and hold on with the tourney till AoCF, since consoles are too absurdly expensive in Eastern Europe to gather players here.  :V

Honestly, if anyone has the ground to be incensed, it's the people who actually bought the port just before the AoCF announcement. Somehow, I don't think they try their luck with another port in the future and I don't trust them enough to buy another one myself.
Title: Re: ZUN announces PS4 version of Touhou 14.5 ULiL
Post by: Drake on January 16, 2017, 03:51:29 AM
Easy. I just wanted people's opinion at how likely it is to have the content ported.
We were criticizing SonicLion, not so much yours.