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Title: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: triangles on June 02, 2018, 07:13:32 PM
(this may or may not have been 95% lifted from last year's thread, including this line itself) (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20841.0.html)

(http://i.imgur.com/xA5GEn9.jpg?1)
FOUR JOB FIESTA TIME (http://fourjobfiesta.com/)

Q: What is this?
A: A month-and-a-half long charity marathon benefiting Child's Play.  Play Final Fantasy V, on whatever platform you want (SNES, PS1, GBA, phone, Steam, emulator) with the jobs given to you by the custom RNG bot and benevolent overlord, Gilgabot!

Q: When does it start?
The fiesta begins on on June  19th or the completion of ~*~the run~*~ (details on the main site)
Registration is LIVE! (http://fourjobfiesta.com/)
It runs through the end of August, so there's plenty of time and no rush (except for #BERSERKERRISK).  You can even register once the fiesta has begun, register for another run after you finish so no worries if you check this topic out later.

Q: What do I need to sign up?
A: A twitter account.  That's it.  You can totally make a throwaway twitter account for this; just make sure you will be able to remember the password.  It's used to tweet at Gilgabot for commands, such as signing up, revealing jobs, and reporting victories.  If you have a private account, you'll need to either unlock it when you send the command tweets or send a message to get added to Gilgabot's friend list (I can give instructions if needed)
Also too you can log-in on the website based on your Twitter account and see all your runs from years gone by!

Q: How does the four job thing work?
A: This depends on the ruleset you choose.  You can also read them all on the website (http://fourjobfiesta.com/help.php)
In Standard, once you get your first crystal and reveal your first job, your entire party will be locked into that job.  As you get the new jobs, you need to have one representative of each available job at all times (excluding when you have insufficient party members to do so, in those cases just make sure everyone has a different job).  You can swap jobs as often as you want within that limitation, and mix and match the abilities you learn freely.  This is what you will sign up for by default.
In Natural Only, each character is locked to Freelancer until you get their respective crystal - at which point the character is locked forever into whatever job you got for that crystal.  No mixing and matching jobs.  This is the tougher one by a significant margin! 
Upgrade is sort of a mix between the two modes.  Your entire party will start out all the same job just as a standard run.  However, once the next set of jobs is available you can choose when to ~upgrade~ your full team to your next assigned job. You can keep using any skills you learned previously and equip them on your new jobs, so have fun grinding  and hope Gilgabot has mercy on you for your endgame job  :V
Fifth Job will overwrite your prior Earth Crystal roll with a new job (following whatever run type you are on) when Krile joins your team.  You can't use any skills from your prior final roll, so a sort of do-over but only for the 4th job.

Q: Which run choice do I pick?
A: There's several sets of runs that affect what classes you can obtain:
Regular is the original mode, you will receive one random Wind, Water, Fire, and Earth job at each crystal.  This is what I'd recommend for a first timer.
Random will open up additional jobs for each crystal - any job that you haven't obtained yet that is also up for grabs.  For instance, the Water crystal may also unlock a new Wind job instead, and the Earth could hand you any job in the game.  You're more likely to receive jobs from the first crystals as a result, and less likely to see an Earth crystal job.
Chaos Mode is similar to Random, except that any job is up for grabs for each crystal.  This means you have a pretty decent chance of not getting a job from the Wind crystal and needing to No Job Siesta a bit longer.  This mode also enables the possibility of rolling the same job for multiple crystals!
Popular Mode is similar to Chaos Mode, but it's weighted towards jobs that were voted for on Twitter last year which is skewed towards mages IIRC.  Chaos mode for people who are afraid of getting 3 Geomancers and a Dragoon, basically.
Pure Chaos Mode is if you want Chaos but don't want dupes.  As a bonus Mime and Freelancer are also up for grabs!
Team 750 and Team No 750 is a modifier that divides the classes in half in the general theme of Magic vs Physical (or close enough to allow an even divide) named after the cost of an elemental rod, as using/breaking one in battle to cast a powerful spell is a common tactic for mages.  The breakdowns are:
Classic will assign you one of the six original FF1 classes at each job, and can assign you multiples of the same job.  This is automatically under Natural Only rules, as above.  Could be potentially hellish (four white mages is a legit risk)
Forbidden: Players wil????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
......yeah we have no idea what signing up for a Forbidden run will do yet. 


Q: Berserker Risk?
A: Based on the amount of donations received before preregistration ends vs the number of players who signed up for this, those players will be guaranteed to receive at least one Berserker and maybe more depending on job mode!  You can only sign up for Berserker Risk before the Fiesta begins so choose wisely.  They're quite a challenging class to work with due to really being entirely out of your control, but that doesn't mean they're bad.  Just brace yourself!

To clarify, adding #BERSERKKERRISK to a Regular run will lock you into getting a 'zerker for your Water crystal job and that's it (they will always hit the bare minimum of donations)  Adding it to a Random run opens up the possibility of your Fire and/or Earth crystal jobs getting overridden by THE RISK.  And Chaos Mode?  Hope you're ready for the chance of FOUR BERSERKERS  :o 
In my opinion/experience, having just one isn't much of a liability outside of a few battles and for some teams it'd be a great source of damage throughout the game - let me tell you about the year I had Team Tickle Kitten Berserker Babysitters Club.  If you really want a risk, make sure to sign up for Chaos or Random!

Q: I don't know Final Fantasy V that well...
A: What a great time to come play the best one!  Our buddy Garlyle is some sort of FF5 Wizard and wrote a handbook (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtr4hud61zu35wg/ffv%20fjf%20handbook.txt) (it's written using SNES terms, but a number of us in here can translate so don't be hesitate to ask for clarification!) specifically oriented towards the FJF that covers more or less everything you'd ever want to know to make the most of the game's mechanics, the classes you've drawn, to help you figure out boss strategies, etc.  Also, MotK has several veterans of this challenge, and we'll always be available to offer a helping hand if you stumble or just run face first into a brick wall.
And yes, this is totally a great excuse to play FFV for the first time!

FOR NEW PLAYERS: I recommend doing a Normal run for your first playthrough.  Even the "worst" combo you can get still has some tricks up your sleeve.

Q: Is there any way I can watch someone miss on Byblos 6 times in a row and laugh at her misfortune?
A: A few of us will be streaming our runs!  Come check us out, subscribe to keep on top of stream times and post if you got a link I missed!

Garlyle (http://www.hitbox.tv/garlyle)
triangles (http://www.twitch.tv/made_of_triangles)
Arashi (maybe??) (http://www.hitbox.tv/ArashiKurobara)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: triangles on June 02, 2018, 07:17:53 PM
LOOK AT THAT ME POSTING IN THIS FORUM AGAIN

Signed up for a regular ol' Chaos run again this year.  After last year with Ninja Mom and the Zerker Kids, I want a chance at the other 50% of the classes up for grabs I've yet to use  :V

ALSO ALSO what do we all think ~forbidden mode~ is?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on June 02, 2018, 09:30:46 PM
This year it's magic time with a Rando 750 squad. There's still a 10% chance to wind up with a dancer somewhere in there! Also get your donations in kids ffs.

Signed up for a regular ol' Chaos run again this year.  After last year with Ninja Mom and the Zerker Kids, I want a chance at the other 50% of the classes up for grabs I've yet to use  :V
Ya fren variety is the spice of life.

ALSO ALSO what do we all think ~forbidden mode~ is?
Roll for classes that you can't use...? Roll for a randomly assigned run type?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: theshirn on June 04, 2018, 04:03:36 AM
Going regular ol' chaos to start.

My best guess for Forbidden is "Chaos, but you can't get the jobs from The Run", I dunno
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Ionasal kkll Solciel on June 04, 2018, 04:55:03 AM
My guess is Forbidden will be inverse Popular (heavily weighted against the Twitter poll votes).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: triangles on June 09, 2018, 07:22:52 PM
After sitting on it for a bit it made me think of the rules from FFTA

RECOMMENDED: Summon
FORBIDDEN: Spears

So I wonder if it's some sort of scout's honor mode banning an aspect of your assigned jobs. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: triangles on June 18, 2018, 03:13:14 AM
AND WE'RE OFF

(https://i.imgur.com/XkFrtQN.png)

TIME FOR SOME HIPPIE SHIT SOZ RUGWIZARD
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: theshirn on June 18, 2018, 03:54:46 AM
Got up to Water on a Chaos run.

Wind was Ninja, Water is Chemist.

I see I'm getting the easy mode run this year :V
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: triangles on June 18, 2018, 01:36:48 PM
Grats on your triple crown
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on June 18, 2018, 01:47:28 PM
Blue mage out of the gate which means I've already won but I started Team 750-330 so I could get classes I didn't have before. It's a blessing and a curse all at once. Also when you've had BESTmaster so many times, you do get a bit weary of having classes that involve a lot of homework. Oh well. Nothing wrong with a strong utility guy. I reserve the right to peek ahead and reroll my other classes if I've gotten them all before, though.
AND WE'RE OFF

(https://i.imgur.com/XkFrtQN.png)

TIME FOR SOME HIPPIE SHIT SOZ RUGWIZARD
Just what kind of stuff is the geomancer capable of, anyway? Can it swing 2k-4k damage on an entire enemy party with some degree of regularity? Or does it do 500 damage to one section of NED one turn and then poison your part on the next? I do not have any frame of reference here outside of geomancer being derided. Probably deservedly so considering how much I've used it in the several times I've played through the game. When all else fails, at least it's a back row item bot?

EDIT: A quick bit of homework found a handful of things that amounted to a whole lot of whatever. Their damage is modified by their magic score which is alright, but that can be improved. Damage can be further boosted by equipment that boosts damage for particular elements. The chance of doing one type of move over another varies a whole lot depending on where you are. There are bunch of nuances around some of the bells like the rune, diamond, and gaia bells. The level of the geomancer affects the ability used much like the ranger's !Animals skill. The skills used have a bunch of different effects, but they can be heavily situational. This includes some stuff that might work like... maybe Whirlpool on Gilgam3sh and some other things? Still, this all adds up to a class that can help plow through mob fights in a dungeon with some questionable RNG but won't help surmount big obstacles outside of some spare damage and occasional status effects. 
Got up to Water on a Chaos run.

Wind was Ninja, Water is Chemist.

I see I'm getting the easy mode run this year :V
It only gets better from here on in.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Spotty Len on June 18, 2018, 04:28:32 PM
I wanted to try a Chaos Run, but Forbidden decided to take it instead.

I got Thief for Wind and Red Mage for Water.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Smashy on June 18, 2018, 07:54:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cFe3QJV.png)

And thus it is decided...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: theshirn on June 19, 2018, 03:20:56 AM
welp, landed Berzerker and Dragoon for my last two, boring but mostly functional

can still triple crown because Chemist Is Busted, but Omega will be finicky
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Smashy on June 19, 2018, 09:12:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DSWqhx5.png)

Funniest theory that spawned in the Discord from this: I actually did not get a Riskzerker but rolled one naturally  :getdown:
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on June 20, 2018, 03:02:03 PM
Naming Bartz Snacks was the right decision. Lenna asks if snacks are coming along to the wind shrine, she calls out for snacks in the middle of the night in Tycoon castle, and the siren in the ship graveyard beckons for snacks to come to her.

Rolled summoner for my fire job. I already had the game set between a blue and time mage, but I've never had a straightforward mage class, nor have I ever really had any class that does AoE damage. The only reason I was dismayed by both blue mage and time mage was because I had done some stomping with them already.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Spotty Len on June 20, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
I got Samurai for my Fire Job, so I am guessing there's a little bit of Chaos in there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: triangles on June 21, 2018, 01:56:57 PM
Who has two thumbs and waltzed into the library with a full party at level 15?
This gal!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Ionasal kkll Solciel on June 22, 2018, 05:14:41 AM
Who has two thumbs and waltzed into the library with a full party at level 15?
This gal!
Oof. Forgetting that is one of the worst things ever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Spotty Len on June 23, 2018, 11:16:27 AM
I forgot that one as well, but I was level 16. :V

I got Gladiator as my Earth Job, but I won't even get to use it, since I'll have to change when I get Krile.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on June 25, 2018, 01:24:43 PM
Okay I wanted to have some mages kick some tail this year but having a blue mage and summoner wombo combo is just silly. It's not a high synergy thing by any means but having this much utility and damage together has helped make everything past Walse a breeze. Going into the Sandworm fight soon with Aqua Rake, Shiva, and breakable rods. Oh and time mage plus healstick just in case I get too lazy.

Maybe next year I'll do something as crazy and occasionally rough as my first year doing things.

EDIT: Yeah, I got white mage for my last class. Blue mage, time mage, summoner, and white mage. Yup.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: triangles on June 29, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
Geomancer / Blue / Blue / Chemist

Well that's sure something
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on June 29, 2018, 03:08:57 PM
The true boss of a team made up exclusively of magic users is the menu.
Geomancer / Blue / Blue / Chemist

Well that's sure something
Oh look your avatar is spot on all over again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Sect on June 29, 2018, 04:13:35 PM
Right now I'm at Blue/Berserker/Geomancer. Been busy this last week so haven't gotten the final crystal yet.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 29, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
I got Samurai/Dragoon/Mystic Knight/Berserker

But like. At least I don't start using Berserker until after the fourth crystal?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: theshirn on June 29, 2018, 08:04:07 PM
I got Samurai/Dragoon/Mystic Knight/Berserker

But like. At least I don't start using Berserker until after the fourth crystal?
I mean, really you don't even start using it then, since Galuf leaves for a bit :V
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on July 02, 2018, 02:19:05 PM
Death Claw worked on Dragon Pod and that fight lasted all of 1 turn.

Death Claw did NOT work on Boatgamesh. Dark Spark and Level 5 Death sure did, though.

Oh Blue Mage u so silly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Spotty Len on July 03, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
At the end, I got Thief / Red / Samurai / Gladiator.

And I just lost Red to the Void, so no Rod anymore. Gonna have to be creative for Shinryu.  :V
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on July 08, 2018, 08:36:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/skG2mRL.jpg)
Required annual posting!

Team magickery is smoothly progressing and has been a fun combo. The team is real well balanced magic-wise, making things simple but fun even when it's a bit menu heavy. This feels like it's going a bit fast but between summons and magic spells I think I'll go through all the major dungeons in world 3.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Validon98 on July 08, 2018, 10:06:01 PM
Pure Chaos this year has given me Bard, Berserker, Monk, and Freelancer. Commence three angry punchmen and their one sane Bard friend.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Spotty Len on July 09, 2018, 05:21:02 AM
I ended up rushing Shinryu by teaching Finisher to everybody and just counting on luck...

Exdeath actually posed much more of a threat because I couldn't rush him and had to spam Elixirs, but at least it worked.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Validon98 on July 09, 2018, 07:43:04 PM
(http://puu.sh/ATCQX/18a29e8053.png)

Fiesta has been complete. I also got Shinryu and Omega down. I think this is my very first Triple Crown, and what a Triple Crown it was. I'm going to miss these strong, angry folk.

EDIT: Pure Chaos Round 2 has begun, and Wind and Water are Summoner and Blue Mage respectively. What a move so far.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on July 15, 2018, 09:10:50 PM
Going through all the World 3 content because my copy of Octopath Traveler should get here at the end of the week.

Slapping an Air Knife on everyone and having them spam Syldra has been a nice way of fast-forwarding through any crap I don't want to deal with.

Snapping rods counts as a physical attack, right? According to Fork Tower, it does!

Also I don't think the Chicken Knife and Goblin Punch get along. I didn't know this and never really tried it until now, but CK's been pullin' goose eggs for damage.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: The ⑨th Zentillion on July 16, 2018, 03:05:29 AM
I think Goblin Punch treats the chooseable weapon on its base numbers (0 escapes), so that's probably why. Excalipoor's base is 100 but it's property is that it always does 1 as a regular attack and any skill that treats it as such.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Validon98 on July 16, 2018, 04:03:03 PM
This is true. Goblin Punch treats Brave Blade always at max damage, Chicken Knife always at minimum damage, and Excalipoor at its listed damage rather than as garbage.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on July 16, 2018, 07:54:44 PM
I'd say I should have known but the CK was best used on my Dancer the last time I had a Blue Mage in my party. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: The Greatest Dog on July 18, 2018, 11:38:12 PM
I might be late to start actually playing but I found my GBA player so I'll be doing this in style. (https://imgur.com/XBS3ORX)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on July 23, 2018, 01:11:06 PM
Team Press Syldra to Win is sitting right next to Omega. Quickvenom will be the way to go there, but I might try to beat Shinryu using other methods just for kicks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2018: With cheese biscuits AND mashed potatoes!
Post by: Reddyne on July 31, 2018, 01:50:07 PM
Another triple crown! I mean srsly that's a pretty low bar with a meaty magic team that includes a Time Mage for Quickvenom shenanigans, but whatevs. It was more fun beating Shinryu with other tricks anyway.

Anyway, class review time!

Blue mage. It's one of my favorite classes and also one of my favorite punching bags. Lots of people will say "yo dis a supr borken job because it can play utility all day, exploit tons of boss resistance blind spots, and get higher gas mileage for your car." For the most part, Blue Mage lives up to its great rep. It's got skills that cover so many things and can be the difference-maker for a bunch of bosses. Still, many of their skills are specific to certain circumstances and may require a number of casting before hitting if not being entirely ineffective due to how fiddly magic accuracy can be. Lots of good skills come late in the game and/or might be be behind the wonderful confuse/!Control patience barrier. Other skills are straight-up useless. Even though I bash them a bunch, they've still got a ton of tricks that can get you through all sorts of situations. There's just a whole lot of times when they just don't work like you'd think.

Time Mage just seemed to be around for Hastega and Slowga most of the time, but got a big boost with Meteor in the endgame. Whoever was TM also became my designated rod snapper once those spells had done their job. That was about it. TM was mostly along for the ride this year while other jobs did the heavy lifting. Then again, Summoner and Blue Mage cover nearly all the damage and tricks you could want.

Summoner is just all kinds of stupid awesome. They are damage monsters in nearly every situation from the time you get them onward. Golem is probably the best straightforward defensive move in the game, and Carbuncle handles most of the magic side. Spamming Syldra with air knives equipped became a staple of the last third of the game, and was most of my strategy for Neo Exdeath, too. Gold Hairpins kept their MP usage manageable. They might be mostly straightforward - pick a spell and it'll do damage - but AoE damage can be hard to come by. Groups of mobs just fall over to these guys, and having a source of ~12k damage per turn against NED somehow made it stand out even more. It's a fantastic class and it was great to have one around.

White Mage was pretty vanilla, but super good to have in a pinch. Curaga and Arise saw a lot of use late game, and the Berserk/Blink strategy against Shinryu proved to be a lot more fun than Quickvenom silliness. Holy got a few licks in, too. That might have been the only memories I really had of them, but this stuff was available when it counted. They're the only really reliable source of healing and it requires a whole lot less babysitting than any other class that can.

I'm feelin' a No 750 team next year since the majority of the classes I haven't played as fall into that category. See you next year!