They've also been demoting wiki admin/founders who want to move their wikis, banning people who post about moving, and reverting edits that post info about moving and urls to new wiki sites.Whoa, something negative seems to be up behind Wiki o_o;
Now, what do we do to give it a better Google ranking?
Whoa, something negative seems to be up behind Wiki o_o;Isn't intellectual hegemony a wonderful thing?
Out of curiousity, how is the wiki supported and funded? How much do you figure you'll need to keep it running?
I'm curious because yes, is the old Touhou Wiki gonna stay up? >.>Basically, what Chloe said. Wikia has a clause where they'll take over a wiki from getting deleted by it's admins and users if it's considered "valuable" by Wikia. Unfortunately, they're now using that across every wiki hosted there, so that even if a certain wiki gets moved it leaves a fork still on Wikia, causing confusion over which is the "active" one.
Wikia has stated they will not remove the old wiki because they do not wish to support a migration. It is up to the community to decide what direction they wish to move in.
Wikia has stated they will not remove the old wiki because they do not wish to support a migration. It is up to the community to decide what direction they wish to move in.I'm worried about the two separate wikis having separate edits though :ohdear:
If you know anyone who edits the wiki, tell them of the new url.
Also, Pooshlmer was quite slow in responding to us for awhile, but he did update the Site Notice today to point at the new wiki.
Uh ? He updated it a week ago. :VSee here (http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&diff=prev&oldid=125782).
See here (http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&diff=prev&oldid=125782).
What's the worst they can do, delete everything from Wikia? Would that really be a problem at this point?Nope, probably most of the stuff has been already moved I guess =V
What's the worst they can do, delete everything from Wikia? Would that really be a problem at this point?No that's actually the best thing they can do. What Wikia is doing now is the absolute worse, deleting any attempt at linking to the new link and appointing new admins in order to keep their version alive. Wikia isn't above SEO poisoning either.
If you people are right gee I wonder when they will remove the new link on the old touhou wikia page.They had already done this yesterday, and someone added it back up. They're already trying to remove any evidence of the move, and they're getting ready to try to get other people to take over adminship of that wiki, essentially creating a fork. They've been doing this to pretty much every wiki that's left their hosting. Pretty nefarious.
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Okay, I changed the links from the french wiki. I also tried to put an automatic redirection, from the french touhou wiki.net's page, but I failed. I'll try again later.
A little late to the party, but I should say my thanks here too.
Well, she did leave a message on the talk page, still thinking that there's going to be a community left or something.Well, people are still editing pages there. It might be worth informing users in the Random Translations thread to post on the new wiki, and one of the most active users I see posting at the old wiki is also aware of the new wiki's existence since he mentioned that the link on pooshlmer.org (main page, not the image board) still linked to the old wiki.
Also, this page (http://touhouwiki.net/wiki/Special:SpecialPages) is displaying an error that the admin will need to take a look at.
So you can bump the new wiki's search engine ranks by editing and updating its pages?Yep, it definitely helps. We're at about 150-200 edits a day right now. I don't think the old wiki's been edited that much since we left.
... ahahahaha. Wikia has now marked http://en.touhouwiki.net/ as "blocked in the spamfilter." CLASSY.I dunno, there's assholes on both sides right now and frankly it's really petty and shameful for the WTC as a whole seeing people act like this.
It's a mess now? It's been a mess the whole time. It's been like 90% of the WTC has no concept of business whatsoever. >_>I meant the Wikia move ordeal. I understand the desire to move, hell I was against the forced takeover/move to Wikia in the first place.
I'd say the vandalism was solely the responsibility of 2 people.
The discussion page indeed marks two people causing the vandalism.
The point is, it was unnecessary. Period.
I think I gotta say something here, mostly apology.
I am one of the guy who spammed the old Wiki with links, under the username jimreynold2nd. At first I did that with the simple thought that "the pages are still showing up atop google searches; I gotta redirect new people searching for info to the new wiki.". Then, everytime I search for something Touhou on Google, and found top hit under wikia, I replace the page with the touhouwiki.net link, again, without thinking much except for that I needa redirect new googles.
Then I got busy for about a week. When I came back, I saw that the pages I editted were reverted, the notice on the home page is gone, and I got banned. Then the rage begins...
Well, enough rants. I hope everything would finally turn out well. I'm still very worried about google page rank. As of right now, searching for, say, "Yuugi" still gives the wikia link on top and touhouwiki.net link not on the first, not even on the second page.
Edit: How come the forum doesn't recognize my OS as "SuSE" anymore? >.<
...and yet only a few hours ago someone created a new user named Jimreynold3rd and added more of the same link vandalism that we've been seeing to the Yuugi, Cirno, and Yuyuko pages.Wait what?! (Just to be sure you understand) that was totally not me. Anyway, I never really looked at the discussion pages (looking at them right now). Will try what I can do.
Wait what?! (Just to be sure you understand) that was totally not me. Anyway, I never really looked at the discussion pages (looking at them right now). Will try what I can do.
You do realize that editing Wikia pages is counterproductive. Every time you edit it it rebumps it in Google searches as an active page. The best way for the Wikia wiki is to just stop editing it and it'll fall off. It'll also have the effect of driving people away as it'll slowly get more and more out of date and irrelevant.
Well, I have something to say about this topic. In all honesty, no one from the Wikia side has any real bad blood with the New Touhou wiki.
It mostly got so bad because there was so much vandalism. In all actuality, we were going to link the new touhou wiki in the community bar, along with a ton of other Touhou related community sites.
In all honesty, no one actually thought this one would 'compete' with the other one after a while. I decided to work on the Wikia wiki mostly because I don't have a problem with Oasis or Wikia. I mostly started editing pages because I don't like vandalism or vandals, too much. It's a waste of space and is a horrible way to show people about a new topic/
I also like working on topics I'm interested in, regardless of who knows more, or what not. It's just fun for me.
When things get cleaned up and put together, I was hoping that the two wikis could be more friendly towards each other, especially since the one at Wikia is trying to change to accomodate the move.
I don't expect many people to believe me (after what I've seen at Wikia ;)) or treat me nicely, buy I was hoping someone here could understand.
Me helping out the wiki wasn't about competition or being the better wiki, I just like spreading the news about a topic I like :p however new I am at it. I just want to have fun.
However, I do thank whoever didn't vandalise the old wiki and I want to continue to thank those people, because it shows some character. :D
I appreciate your friendly tone, but I think you're completely ignorant to what's been going on the last couple months. That wiki shouldn't even exist anymore, if it wasn't for Wikia's desire to keep it around to make money. Just the fact that you're even there doing stuff means you're competing with us. You see, they try to confuse people's idea who the "real" wiki is, so they gain viewers. Maybe someone will be suckered into updating some of the pages. In the mean time, those same people are working to regain that wiki's Google ranking, bringing more people in to view their ads. That's all it's really about, they don't care about the content or users at all, it's their ability to give good returns on their VC's investments.
We were so damn careful to make the move as smooth as possible so we didn't leave anyone behind. But I guess it really didn't matter in the end. Thanks for making my work meaningless.
Just be advised, I don't think you're going to be welcome pretty much anywhere within the western Touhou community.
Well, see, I thought people made wikis for the content they liked, not as some agenda to go against someone else or to become more popular or hurt people and shut others down. I actually came here as a way of being nice.We have that, we just move it to it's own server. =]
If I'm not welcome into a community because I chose to show people a game and topic I'm interested in and want other people to know about it (for a community who is supposedly open for that exact reason), then what is it for?You're definitely welcome in the community as a helpful member, but you do have to understand the situation with Wikia. Really, had they just let us leave without an issue it would've all been okay. But it didn't turn out that way.
You do realize that editing Wikia pages is counterproductive. Every time you edit it it rebumps it in Google searches as an active page. The best way for the Wikia wiki is to just stop editing it and it'll fall off. It'll also have the effect of driving people away as it'll slowly get more and more out of date and irrelevant.Here's essentially what Wikia did. Say you're looking to set up your own website. You get contacted by some free webhost like Geocities/Tripod/etc., offering to host your site (possibly even paying you something to join). Later on you decide you've outgrown your service, so you purchase own webhosting account elsewhere and move the site there,. In response, Geocities/Tripod/etc. takes over your old site for themselves as they deem it important to their ad revenue. Wikia has a clause about this in their TOS, except since they've been doing all of these very unpopular changes to all the wikis, they've enforced it across pretty much every wiki that's left. And they can legally do that because the wiki content itself is licensed under the Creative Commons. So that's why there's a zombie Touhou wiki still up on Wikia, they've taken it over after we moved to our own self-hosting setup, and have refused to close it down.
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All my edits are going to be for the new wiki, only.Awesome, thanks a bunch for the help. Most (if not all) of the western Touhou sites have updated their links already, and we've just surpassed the Touhou articles on Wikipedia in Google searches. So we're already pretty much on track for #1, but yeah, a big Touhou event will definitely help. In the interrim, I could use some help from a good web/graphics designer...
We need a new front page.Indeed, unfortunately I'm terrible with good web design. =/
We need a new front page. It's probably what is holding us back in the google rankings, as google penalizes pages that are too similar to existing ones.
We don't need to any more. The old site's already redesigned their front page.
Whoops, I was right the first time. "Don't link to external wikis" (http://vstf.wikia.com/wiki/Spam_filter_problems#An_article_on_the_MSPAFA_wiki) is their stated reason for putting touhouwiki.net on the spamfilter-list.Actually, I'll respond to this. That's gotta be the shittiest thing I've seen, and pretty much shows they want to be a "category killer" wiki farm and suffocate any sort've "competition" out of existence. Good luck with [citation needed] lol.
By the way, even after blocking it, touhou.wikia still appears in my search results.Here too. I blocked it more than a month ago and it still shows up. Moreover, there's no block option when you return the the search results.
The wiki has a status page that says exactly how much it costs to run and how much is donated.
See http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Suzuran/Server_Statistics (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Suzuran/Server_Statistics)
Anyone have info on how Yahoo generates its top search results? The Wikia networks seem to get just as much attention there.They probably also consider 'cross-site linking', which would include all the other wikis on Wikia. It's not something we can fix, we've already done all the SEO we could do. Only way it'll be fixed is for Wikia to completely fold up shop.
Is the wiki down? I can't seem to connect to it.