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This thread is for posts that aren't big or detailed enough to warrant their own thread.
Anyway, I believe that we are living in will be what probably be remembered as the golden age of Touhou. There have been releases almost every year since 2002 and a growing and diverse fanbase. It makes me wonder where the fanbase will be 20, 30, 50, or 100 years from now.
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Are there other sealed off worlds besides Gensokyo? I do wonder.
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the lunar capital
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Are there other sealed off worlds besides Gensokyo? I do wonder.
In a sense, both Wonderland and Oz may qualify... If they actually exists in the Touhou-verse as sealed-off worlds, that is.
In fact, almost every fairy tale locations qualify as such.
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the lunar capital
Is the lunar capital actually a sealed off land? Then again, it would make sense since the moon landings never proved anything...
Also, I think the other realms, such as Makai and Heaven qualify as separate worlds, not part of Gensokyo. I read somewhere that it was easier to access other realms from Gensokyo, but I'm not sure if those count.
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Gonna politely ask that this not become a second version of the Misc Questions thread, which we already have. "Thoughts and commentary" can include questions, but those are more of a speculative, no-definitive-answer nature. If it's a question that has a specific answer, go ahead and ask it in the stickied thread.
Anyways.
I've been thinking a lot about how ZUN manages fatherhood and Touhou Project. Admittedly I have no idea where or even if his wife works, so maybe they're both stay-at-home parents. But even so, those first couple years are pretty intense in terms of energy and attention requirements. This was part of the reason why LoLK impressed me so much - he keeps topping himself, more or less, despite these incredibly demanding new circumstances.
I dunno, maybe he lucked out and got one of those mythical Babies Who Sleep All The Time.
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I've been thinking a lot about how ZUN manages fatherhood and Touhou Project. Admittedly I have no idea where or even if his wife works, so maybe they're both stay-at-home parents. But even so, those first couple years are pretty intense in terms of energy and attention requirements. This was part of the reason why LoLK impressed me so much - he keeps topping himself, more or less, despite these incredibly demanding new circumstances.
I dunno, maybe he lucked out and got one of those mythical Babies Who Sleep All The Time.
His wife works, but she's on maternity leave, or something like that. It was mentioned in cuc's ZUN-news thread, I think.
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Japan's child care leave (after the paid maternity leave) takes effect up until the child reaches 1 year old, so her leave would have ended last month.
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As we know, Remilia uses fairies as maids despite the fact that she can summon devils to do the work. I believe that she uses fairies because a part of her wishes that she was still a child, and fairies help bring a bit of child-like innocence to her life. This brings me to another part of my conjecture: Remilia brought the fairies into Gensokyo. These supernatural creatures are of European origin (According to this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16752.msg1174525.html#msg1174525), yousei is used for foreign spirits) and so is Remilia. Perhaps prior to her arrival, they were spirits of nature that were formless. The concept of fairies meshed extremely well with the native Shinto religion and they became a major part of Gensokyo.
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It's fun to find classical music references in the soundtrack.
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Back on the topic of "Other sealed worlds beside Gensokyo"...
If there were other sealed worlds, would it be accurate to say that they have good diplomatic relationships with each other?
For example, I have mentioned (obscurely) in my Fan Fic Fantasy Blitzkrieg: Mission 3 that Wonderland and Oz have an Embassy and a High Commission respectively in Gensokyo.
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Touhou (東方) literally translates to "East", "eastern", "orient", etc.
"Eastern Project," "East Project," and "Orient Project" all sound like codenames for some government or military investigation.
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Back on the topic of "Other sealed worlds beside Gensokyo"...
If there were other sealed worlds, would it be accurate to say that they have good diplomatic relationships with each other?
For example, I have mentioned (obscurely) in my Fan Fic Fantasy Blitzkrieg: Mission 3 that Wonderland and Oz have an Embassy and a High Commission respectively in Gensokyo.
Yukari brings in some hobgoblins from somewhere, and they don't seem too unhappy about so I guess you could call them legal immigrants. On the other hand, the Lunar Capital hates dirty Earthling scum. So it probably depends on a lot of things.
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I'm still wondering how an entiety like this one (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%27s_ghost) should exist in Gensokyo. One of my characters is based off this legend.
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Back on the topic of "Other sealed worlds beside Gensokyo"...
If there were other sealed worlds, would it be accurate to say that they have good diplomatic relationships with each other?
For example, I have mentioned (obscurely) in my Fan Fic Fantasy Blitzkrieg: Mission 3 that Wonderland and Oz have an Embassy and a High Commission respectively in Gensokyo.
I'm still wondering how an entiety like this one (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%27s_ghost) should exist in Gensokyo. One of my characters is based off this legend.
Not a criticism, but have y'all considered asking these questions in PSL? They might be great help with these questions.
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(http://i.imgur.com/9yDf2ip.png)
I'm sure everyone already knows of the "Spell Card Attack!!" lines on the spell card declaration, and probably most people know the "Border of Life" part of the spell card circle, but I didn't realize until now that the other part of the spell card circle (line 4, which is a combo of line 1 and the squiggle) also has text and isn't just random lines as I've thought for years: it says "Spell Card Attack of Little Girl..."
neat
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I saw that when poking around in the files of somebody's danmakufu script, and thought it was something the scripter had edited in as a joke. I guess not.
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To clarify, I've known the image for a long time, I just thought it was a bunch of decoration. I've tried looking for text in it before, but given how the last two lines are laid out I was probably looking at it upside-down.
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(http://i.imgur.com/9yDf2ip.png)
I'm sure everyone already knows of the "Spell Card Attack!!" lines on the spell card declaration, and probably most people know the "Border of Life" part of the spell card circle, but I didn't realize until now that the other part of the spell card circle (line 4, which is a combo of line 1 and the squiggle) also has text and isn't just random lines as I've thought for years: it says "Spell Card Attack of Little Girl..."
neat
Lines 1-3 also say "Spell Card Attack of Little Girl..." I thought they were all just random lines, that's pretty cool.
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On the fantasy world relations... I wonder how well Gensokyo relates to Fantastica (Neverending Story), especially given the significance of names in Fantastica, and the fact that the name roughly translates into Japanese as "Gensokyo". Fantastica even has an empress that is for all intents and purposes Lolikari! She even controls the border of Fantastica and the outside world through the AURYN.
Hell, I am shocked to find no crossover fics between Neverending Story and Touhou. Makes you wonder if Michael Ende influenced ZUN in any way... or what would happen if Kosuzu got a hold of the actual book...
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To quote one of your posts in the "Best series to crossover Touhou with" thread, Mr, NuclearFalcon:
The Neverending Story. Seriously I have no idea why no fan fiction of it has ever been done before. There are so many parallels it is not even funny.
Also the Touhou series itself references Alice in Wonderland. Maybe Alice Margatroid having some tea with Alice Liddell could prove interesting.
In my opinion, Alice Margatroid is Alice Liddell. That's, in my headcanon, the result of Alice having somehow wandered from Wonderland to Gensokyo, and getting adopted by Shinki, while also adopting her "Margatroid" surname from (also my headcanon) Luize Margatroid.
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I always thought that not every boss is flying.
Yoshika for example is described as slow and easily to escape from because she's stiff and can't run fast, but if she could fly then having stiff legs wouldn't be a bother.
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I always thought that not every boss is flying.
Yoshika for example is described as slow and easily to escape from because she's stiff and can't run fast, but if she could fly then having stiff legs wouldn't be a bother.
I always assumed that Yoshika's body stiffness made it difficult for her to fly. She has difficulty moving, which therefore results in difficulty navigating around while flying, and hence she is clumsy while flying, yada yada...
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What if Yoshika was just faking?
I always thought she can move fine, but she prefers to moving zombie-like manner.
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If Alice Liddell is Alice Margatroid then the Empress in Neverending Story could easily be Yukari in her Lolikari form. Hey, she was sick and Yukari is known to take that form to "save power". Also in the case of Alice it would appear she also got a haircut.
I always interpreted Yoshika's arms as her just following along the stereotype and that she CAN move them as necessary.
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I've always thought that Tewi was responsible for Mokou finding Kaguya in the first place:
1. She knows what's going on inside the Bamboo Forest, and would have known about Mokou, much like how she knew about Eientei.
2. She made a deal with Eirin ensuring humans would not approach them, but Mokou somehow ended up finding the princess anyway.
3. Kaguya would have been hidden inside Eientei, so Mokou finding her would mean the pyro finding the mansion, which would also mean Tewi didn't keep to the agreement in Mokou's case.
4. Mokou's official profile indicates that her meeting with the princess was through luck.
Added to the fact that Tewi is a probable cause (http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/inaba_of_the_moon_and_inaba_of_the_earth_ch11#7) of disagreements between the two, maybe it really is a conspiracy (http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/inaba_of_the_moon_and_inaba_of_the_earth_ch11#8)...
To reference Alice in Wonderland, I can imagine Mokou following a white rabbit, falling down a rabbit (trap) hole, finding a pile of rice cakes with a sign saying "Eat Me", meeting royalty tending to her plants while surrounded by servants, and---after causing a ruckus---having the aforementioned royalty wanting to go off with her head.
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I like to think most doujins about Kaguya and Mokou are technically canon, even the silly yurishipping doujins. Since they are ageless and will spend an infinite amount of time interacting with each other, all possible interactions have or will eventually be exhausted, even if the chance is extremely low.
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I like to imagine that Ringo always takes some dango with her wherever she goes just in case she has to engage in combat with someone or something.
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I like to imagine that Ringo always takes some dango with her wherever she goes just in case she has to engage in combat with someone or something.
Speaking of Ringo if I remember correctly she has 5 dangos in her hand before her battle begins, and 2 after it ends.
It gave me a little headcanon that Ringo has to eat one dango for every spellcard she uses.
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I feel like Meiling would be really good at cooking.
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I have the same thought of Meiling being an awesome chef.
Also, that brings to mind that I think that a lot of characters are in culinary businesses. Like how Reisen probably cooks meals in Eientei, how Yuugi could be a bartender, and how Momiji might be a hunter, skinner, and cooker of wild game.
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I'm wondering how a crossover between Touhou and Pixar's Inside Out would turn out to be like.
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I'm wondering how a crossover between Touhou and Pixar's Inside Out would turn out to be like.
There's a thread for that! (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18649.0.html)
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I know that Chen is stronger when Ran is around her.
But what if Yukari and Ran was there?
I believe that Chen's power would raise so high that she's stronger than Ran when Yukari is around. I think this because if Ran's power is boosted if Yukari is around, Chen should also get that power and the power she gets from Ran. Of course Ran is still more skilled compared to Chen.
But lets say Ran was to punch a giant boulder while Yukari was around. It would maybe split into pieces.
If Chen was to punch that same boulder with both Ran and Yukari nearby that boulder would be obliterated.
Of course that might not be the exact power, but I'm just comparing it that way.
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Lemme use numbers. Say Chen is 1, Ran is 2 and Yukari is 4. 1 < 2 < 4. Say Chen's bonus from being around Ran is 1(+1) = 2 to match Ran, and Ran's bonus from being around Yukari is 2(+2) = 4 to match Yukari. If all three are together, Ran gets 2(+2) = 4 and Chen gets 1(+1)(+2) = 4 as well. Even assuming whatever "proximity bonus" powers them up to their master's level, you still won't ever increase past each other, and that's already assuming the shikigami could potentially stack up to their master.
Given how shikigami are handled in the series, the "proximity bonus" is more along the lines that the master, being more capable, can give orders to the shikigami that makes better use of them. This is subtly explained in BAiJR and is complemented by the whole "shikigami = computers" analogy ZUN is fond of. If the computer acts out of line with what the master tells them, they get less done. That's basically what's going on.
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I can't even search "Touhou OC" on deviantART without getting hit in the face by relentless barrages of Mary Sues. It doesn't help that quite a lot of these Mary Sues were the characters I made a long time ago.
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The chorus of Kana's theme from PoDD bears a striking resemblance to the Russian song Polyushko-Pole (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G099l5IWCn0), link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcHhuFN2CO0)).
The little glowing puffs floating around in Imperishable Night's outdoor stages turn blue when you're unfocused (for the human half of the team) and white when you're focused (for the youkai half). The bosses draw the puffs towards themselves during boss fights, too. I love little details like that.
There are a lot of posts on ZUN's old BBS still preserved on the Internet Archive, as it turns out! (The majority of them are on thwiki.cc here (http://thwiki.cc/%E5%B9%BB%E6%83%B3%E6%8F%AD%E7%A4%BA%E6%9D%BF/%E6%80%BB%E7%BB%932) for easy access, thankfully.) I thought this one (https://web.archive.org/web/20040925002435/http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/cgi-bin/bbs/minibbs.cgi) was a neat tidbit:
>４面のタイトルロゴの右下に『powerful』や『uncanny』という文字が表示されることに気が付いたのですが、
>これらはなにか意味があるのでしょうか？
４面は二つありますからねぇ。
あと、裏のステージは『bijou』と『piercing』です。
>>I noticed that Stage 4's title logos have "Powerful" or "Uncanny" written in the corner.
>>What does this mean?
Well, it's because there are two Stage 4s, after all.
Also, the stages behind them are "Bijou" and "Piercing".
The wording's kind of vague, so I'm not sure if those refer to the two Stage 6s, or to another pair of Stage 4s for Youmu and Sakuya that were initially planned but scrapped. But it's neat!
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Yuyuko's saliva isn't saliva, its ectoplasm.
Yeah.
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The wording's kind of vague, so I'm not sure if those refer to the two Stage 6s, or to another pair of Stage 4s for Youmu and Sakuya that were initially planned but scrapped. But it's neat!
Huh, I never knew about that, that's really neat. What could have been ; ;
A cursory search around gave me these two posts:
>今から考えても永夜抄は八人の自機にスペプラ、６ボスが二人に設定の規模の大きさと詰め込みすぎてずるいと思った(小並)
あれでも仕様は削られてるんやで
製品版では4面は2パターン(uncanny/powerful)やけど、
本来はもう2パターン(bijou/piercing)あったわけやし
霊夢が止めに来るuncannyステージと魔理沙が止めに来るpowerfulステージ以外に、
永4面にはゲーム内には登場しないbijouステージとpiercingステージっていう裏ステージも
設定的には存在してるとかも神主が言ってたな
by random Japanese forum members. The general consensus seems to be two alternate stage 4s.
It's odd that the BBS post is dated after the full version was released, but it seems like this comment was made before in the initial planing stages? Or maybe he's just talking about what he was planning.
The first quote mentions that IN was a huge game, which I never really thought about, but yeah, it's totally true. Two stage 4s, two stage 6s, 8 characters with 4 total different scenarios (each with good, normal, and bad endings), the first implementation of the spell practice mode, and final words (including some for characters you don't face in the actual story mode as well). I'm sorely curious about what he had planned for the ura stages, but seeing all the stuff that he did get in there, I totally don't blame him if he didn't have enough time.
On a side note, the only two kanji I can seem to find for bijou are 尾錠 and 媚情, though I don't find either really satisfying. I would find it odd if the ura stages were planned for Sakuya and Youmu to stop the players as it would seem out of their way and out of character. Which may leave... alternate, harder, Reimu/Marisa boss fights? That, or maybe an alternate stage with the bosses instead being Yukari or Alice. In that case, 'piercing' might describe Alice, since she's the one with the piercing laser in this game. Speculations speculations.
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On a side note, the only two kanji I can seem to find for bijou are 尾錠 and 媚情, though I don't find either really satisfying.
"Bijou" also means "jewel" in French. You may have seen it before in the plural form "bijoux", for "jewelry".
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You know, I always thought Kogasa could actually scare people, but she always goes after the same people and is quite jumpy herself.
She should take tips from Koishi.
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"Bijou" also means "jewel" in French. You may have seen it before in the plural form "bijoux", for "jewelry".
Actually, I'm an idiot, I even saw that too. Everything else is in English, so it wouldn't really make sense for it to be in Japanese would it.
Though the only thing 'jewel' would make me think of is Kaguya, in this game.
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You know, I always thought Kogasa could actually scare people, but she always goes after the same people and is quite jumpy herself.
She should take tips from Koishi.
I think that she'd be great at running some sort of haunted house. Maybe she could make a deal with the Prismrivers so that she could use the mansion as a haunted house while they're on tour or something.
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Exactly what is the extension of gun control in Gensokyo, anyway? Fanworks can't seem to agree on Gensokyian Gun Politics being as free as the USA (everyone can own a gun as long as its not a military model) or as tight as Asian countries (owning even just bullets at all is illegal).
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Gun control would be the spell card rules insofar as what is relevant and practical. There are basically no guns in Gensokyo outside of those used by the Lunar rabbits, and it would be reasonable to assume there are a few relics stuffed away, e.g. with Rinnosuke. Besides this there hasn't been evidence of guns being a thing, and so it doesn't make sense that there would be any politics about them.
i mean these are fanworks we're talking about though so they can do whatever they want really
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Exactly what is the extension of gun control in Gensokyo, anyway? Fanworks can't seem to agree on Gensokyian Gun Politics being as free as the USA (everyone can own a gun as long as its not a military model) or as tight as Asian countries (owning even just bullets at all is illegal).
Gensokyo doesn't have a formal legal system, and guns are rare enough that it's unlikely there's much of a precedent for how to treat them (beyond common sense stuff like "they're not toys"). And while just about everyone knows what a gun is (gunpowder has been around since the 9th century after all), do note that Akyuu seemed to be unfamiliar with the concept of automatic weapons in PMiSS - she mentioned the Lunar Capital having "weapons with firepower that far surpasses anything here on Earth", such as "a rifle that can shoot a spread of many bullets in an instant".
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Doremy Sweet might be responsible for Touhou-related dreams one has.
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I've always thought of Cirno being really old, such as how she knows (Been to?) to the flower event that occurs every 60 years.
Also, on the subject of firearms, as unconventional and strange as it sounds, could a spread of bullets being shot from a rifle in an instant have meant something other than a shotgun, and say, a rifle that shoots a spray of high caliber rounds? Sort of like how shotgun shells utilize a large number of pellets, but instead of small projectiles, they shoot out bullets, or even explosives? It's a horrible idea, considering the sheer recoil and other issues with it, but just a thought. I also do wonder how far the Lunarians are in terms of military technology.
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According to SSIB, even the outdated Lunarian technologies are way more advance than what we puny Earthlings considers as cutting edge in real life. So I'm going to guess: it will be impossible to catch up with them in any way, even from the standpoint of militaries.
Which brings me to the next question on Lunarian military: apparently they are still using muskets and bolt-action rifles as the primary and only weapon of their military. They don't even issue sidearms or armor of any sorts...
So how do they think they can curbstomp anything and everything with weapons that even we puny Earthlings considers as outdated? Using the Mary Sue-ish status of the Moonbitches?
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I think that the "Akyuu is unreliable" thing comes into play when talking about lunarian warfare technology. Our technology is roughly the same in terms of standard weaponry - according to Akyuu's description. For long enough, I've just immagined the lunarians as having greater social technology but inferior weapons tech. I heard once that ZUN was disappointed with how the artist drew the lunar capital due to it not being futuristic enough - the lunar millitary could also come under that if the person telling me that was correct.
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Which brings me to the next question on Lunarian military: apparently they are still using muskets and bolt-action rifles as the primary and only weapon of their military. They don't even issue sidearms or armor of any sorts...
So how do they think they can curbstomp anything and everything with weapons that even we puny Earthlings considers as outdated? Using the Mary Sue-ish status of the Moonbitches?
Maybe they don't trust moon rabbits with actually powerful weapons, and they only give advanced stuff to high-rank individuals.
Lunarians have ridiculously powerful magical/godly abilities, but giving something like Toyohime's fan to every moon rabbit, that are considered little more than slaves (or cannon fodder), is probably not a really good idea for them.
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Which brings me to the next question on Lunarian military
I know this has already been said in this thread, but we do still have a Miscellaneous Questions thread, which might be a better place for this line of inquiry, all things considered.
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It peeves me mildly when people say that the worst fandoms (e.g. FNaF) always get the best fan-songs.
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I personally like to think of Sakuya to be somewhat of a psychopath. This is mainly due to her "Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial" theme, as well as some of her more threatening sounding lines in the games; I always imagine her speaking in the most calm and unfeeling manner which just makes one feel so uncomfortable. For example, her win quotes in Hisoutensoku against characters like Reisen and Yuyuko.
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It peeves me mildly when people say that the worst fandoms (e.g. FNaF) always get the best fan-songs.
Whaaaat
Touhou is one of the best fandoms and we get the best fan-songs
Kancolle too!
And Ragnarok!
Hell Puzzles and Dragons got fan-songs!
Final Fantasy!
POKEMON
KIRBY
GRAHHHHHH
(you making me realize this got me seriously peeved)
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I always like to imagine that when I'm playing any of the games an astral version of myself is dueling with the characters and wreaking havoc. And also I find that I tend to do worse whenever the moons cycle is close to a full moon.
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I personally like to think of Sakuya to be somewhat of a psychopath. This is mainly due to her "Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial" theme, as well as some of her more threatening sounding lines in the games; I always imagine her speaking in the most calm and unfeeling manner which just makes one feel so uncomfortable. For example, her win quotes in Hisoutensoku against characters like Reisen and Yuyuko.
Yeah, she does have those Jack the Ripper references and spell cards named after murdering and other creepy things too.
For some reason however, this is mostly only in her earlier appearances (from EoSD to IaMP), as her later cards sound much less dangerous and disturbing. Maybe it's ZUN's way to show how she is getting "softer" and better at dealing with other people?
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ZUN probably draws all his character portraits to match everything else in the game.
I recently switched out his portraits in IN with dairi's, and it looked really unnatural when playing with a different styled UI, player/enemy sprites, dialogue text, and so on. I couldn't bear it after a few playthroughs and switched it back to default. You can tell he picked his color choices blend to match backgrounds and the UI.
Never have I appreciated ZUNart more.
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Since Touhou does take inspiration from some Japanese folktales, I?d like to see if some thingsfrom a certain story?ll appear in the series at some point :
Anyway, this post reminded me of something :
I was just reminded of something I was supposed to connect before but never did.
So, I think it's pretty well-established at this point that Eirin is supposed to be Omoikane. In CiLR 1, Eirin explains that the Watatsuki sisters are distant relatives of hers; "one was the wife of a grandnephew of mine, while the other was married to the son of another grandnephew". I had always meant to explicitly connect the dots here.
First of all, I'm going to change this translation since it isn't "another" grandnephew, it's the same guy. With the clean assumption that Toyohime and Yorihime are supposed to be Toyotamahime and Tamayorihime respectively, it's actually that this "grandnephew" is Hoori. Hoori married Toyotamahime, and they had a child (Ugayafukiaezu) who later married Tamayorihime, which fits the above narrative.
Hoori is the son of Ninigi and Konohanasakuyahime (who you may also know as the one who cut Yatsugatake). Konohanasakuyahime is herself descended from Ooyamatsumi, who apparently came from Izanagi before his cleansing (which spawned Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo, among many others). Ninigi on the other hand came from Amenooshihomimi and Yorozuhatahime. Amenooshihomimi came from Amaterasu, which as said above came from Izanagi. Yorozuhatahime came from Takamimusuhi, who is one of the three kami of creation. It's extra confusing since Takamimusuhi did some stuff, then left existence and reappeared generations later to have Yorozuhatahime -- but before they "hid", they created Omoikane. So to follow all this back down, Omoikane is a sibling of Yorozuhatahime, whose child is Ninigi, whose child is Hoori, who married Toyotamahime.
So essentially what Eirin did with this quote is further confirm her identity (along with the Watatsukis), but also troll a whole lot because the Shinto kami genealogy is convoluted as fuck and there were a ton of other ways she could have stated their relationship.
Houri, Toyotama hime, and Ugayafukiaezu (to a lesser extent) are figures that have some presence in a folklore story about a lost fishhook? and two magical jewels. Basically the story is more or less like this (skipping a huuuuuuge chunk of context but still getting the essential right) :
Houri loses the enchanted fishhook his brother Hoderi lent him, and his brother forces him to find it and bring it back : Houri searches for the fishhook and dives deep in the sea, where he encounters Toyotama hime. He falls in love with her, marry her, go live with her in the dragon palace and ask Ryujin (her father)?s help to find the lost fishhook ; Three years later, feeling homesick , he asks to go home and explain his situation to Ryujin : good guy Ryujin then gives Hoori two magic jewels that control the sea to Hoori, curses the fishhook so that it brings misfortune to its owner, and give a strategy to Hoori in order to subjugate his brother? with the help of the two sea controlling jewels?
The story continues into Hoori subjugating Hoderi, the birth of his son (Ugayafukiaezu) and why his wife left him and so on? but interestingly enough, despite the role they played, we never hear about the magical jewels anymore? at all !
Anyway, Touhouverse puts the Dragon palace in the moon, and Toyohime is more or less Toyotama hime as much as Eirin is Omoikane : so... how to fit the story with the Moon (and Touhou) then ~ ?
These magical orbs / jewels are called Kanju and Manju (otherwise known as Shiomitsu-tama and Shiohiru-tama), and their respective ability is to raise and lower the sea level: "borrowing" the explanation straight from Wikipedia because of laziness
The Japanese compounds kanju 干珠 lit. "ebb jewel" and manju 満珠 lit. "flow jewel" combine kan 干 (cf. 乾) "dry up; drain off; ebb (tides); recede; oppose" and man 満 "fill; full; rise (tides); fulfill; satisfy" with ju, shu, or tama 珠 "gem; jewel; precious stone; pearl; bead". Compare the reversible compounds kanman 干満 and mankan 満干or michihi 満ち干 meaning "ebb and flow; high and low tides; the tides". Shiomitsu-tama 潮満珠 and shiohiru-tama 潮干珠 are archaic "tide jewel" names using shio or chō 潮 "tide; flow; salt water".
Alright, so? if we forcefully shove these into Touhou, these?ll have to be treasure that were given by the Moon? magical jewels that controls the sea level, won?t that look pretty in Touhou ? But anyway? Pop quiz ~ what else can control the sea level in the world ? That?s right ! The Moon ! (well, technicaly, it "affects", but...) It?s totally possible to forcefully fuse some things from the story into Touhou the same way the tale of the bamboo cutter got hijacked by Touhou without to much trouble. What if these somehow made their appearance into the series someday ? :3 We don?t have a wholesome sea-related story yet in Touhou, but hey, the Moon gets to be associated with sea things quite a bit, so? :X
I?m not making this with Touhou 15 in mind (well, a bit, but?), just that I just got reminded of this suddenly for some reason and thought it would be amusing to see some of it in the series? especially since the magical jewels were never, ever mentioned again...
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I can't help but think that LoLK will contain shout-outs to IN in more ways than one (with that being the obvious moon connection).
Also, I meant to write a post about history being a subtheme of IN, and a possible similarity with dreams in LoLK. But that can wait---the hype is here!
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Sumireko on WaHH.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2gumrnn.jpg)
Sumireko. On. WaHH.
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After making American Touhou OCs for goodness knows just how long, I'm more than overjoyed to see
Clownpiece
in LoLK.
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I can imagine Patchouli being some sort of mentor, especially to Remilia; her "shut-in" personality only being in effect during moments of deep thought and focus like when she is reading for example.
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I see the pink blob thing Doremi carries around as a sentient, manifested dream which she keeps as a pet.
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After making American Touhou OCs for goodness knows just how long, I'm more than overjoyed to see Clownpiece
in LoLK.
She's not actually American though. If anything, she's Greek since she's one of the nymphs accompanying Hecate.
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Regarding LoLK's Extra boss's name...
Could "Lapislazuli" possibly be a reference to LoLK's titular "Ultramarine Orb"? Lapis lazuli (the stone) is ultramarine in color (it's actually where we get the word "ultramarine" from, because ultramarine pigment for paint was made of ground up lapis lazuli.) If the Ultramarine Orb was lapis lazuli, and Hecatia is Lapislazuli, I wonder what connection they could have.
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It just occurred to me that LoLK's PointDevice mode is technically eligible for a speedrun; the fewer retries the faster the run.
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Regarding LoLK's Extra boss's name...
Could "Lapislazuli" possibly be a reference to LoLK's titular "Ultramarine Orb"? Lapis lazuli (the stone) is ultramarine in color (it's actually where we get the word "ultramarine" from, because ultramarine pigment for paint was made of ground up lapis lazuli.) If the Ultramarine Orb was lapis lazuli, and Hecatia is Lapislazuli, I wonder what connection they could have.
According to the extra boss' profile text: The player character is a metaphorical ultramarine orb, for whatever reason. The whole... thing is referred to as a the "Ultramarine Orb Person Plan". I think the whole plot of the game is supposed to be viewed as this big strategic battle between Eirin, Sagume, and Junko, with the player character as just a pawn. Like, all those famous tacticians from Chinese epics (and Suikoden games). Eirin came up with the brilliant and unexpected Ultramarine Orb Gambit to conclusively win the battle.
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After finding out more info about the characters I have to say... Well Junko's designed interested me so I looked into her and...
She is a character with a more tragic backstory than possibly even Yuyuko. My condolences to her for her loss. I understand why now she has such a grudge. The loss of one's family is not something one can easily take. The innumerable tears she must have shed could have flooded a river. We can only hope that she will be able to somehow get on with her life and be able to find happiness. I am sure her husband and son would have wanted as much for her.
Edit: After reading a post in another thread I have found that a theory I had regarding the identities of her husband and child have been jossed so I had to revise my post.
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It just occurred to me that LoLK's PointDevice mode is technically eligible for a speedrun; the fewer retries the faster the run.
Considering the maximum of Pointdevice no retries is doable, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bother calling it a speedrun any more than the other Touhou games that let you die with no time loss. Why measure for speed when the measure of retries is already essentially what you're going by?
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Considering the maximum of Pointdevice no retries is doable, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bother calling it a speedrun any more than the other Touhou games that let you die with no time loss. Why measure for speed when the measure of retries is already essentially what you're going by?
Should've been more specific. I was thinking less like a traditional world record speedrun and more something that would be done live at AGDQ.
IIRC shmup 1CCs have been done before at AGDQ, but PointDevice-NB would make for a hilarious live speedrun.
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The Moriya Shrine were the true victors of the incident featured in Mountain of Faith. Granted, most of their projects didn't work out as expected, but it is much more than the Hakurei God has ever done for Gensokyo. Another thing is that IIRC, Reimu has a very small shrine dedicated to the Moriya goddesses, but I don't believe that the Moriya Shrine has anything dedicated to the Hakurei God. If it weren't for Reimu, the Moriya Shrine would probably be the dominant power in Gensokyo.
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Has anyone ever wondered why LoLK's final boss name is
Junko
? It feels too simple.
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I think Kogasa is only weak right now because she hasn't been scary lately.
If she really scared a lot of people she'd be powerful.
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So apparently ZUN picked up a copy of -Pacific- USN Fleet Girls Collection at C88.
I'm crying so much right now. This is a miracle.
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Has anyone ever wondered why LoLK's final boss name is Junko
? It feels too simple.
Her whole character is meant to be about pure/simple things.
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Her whole character is meant to be about pure/simple things.
Never noticed that, considering there's no english patch yet.
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Actually, the English patch is out now, but you should read her translated profile on the wiki if you want to know more about her. In-game dialog is rarely all that insightful.
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I was thinking less like a traditional world record speedrun and more something that would be done live at AGDQ.
IIRC shmup 1CCs have been done before at AGDQ, but PointDevice-NB would make for a hilarious live speedrun.
Something I'd like to see (or even do) is a speedrun of the photo games. I know that MotK had the "StB/DS done quick" collaborations, where every card in the games was done fast, but it would be genuinely interesting to think about the fastest necessary cards to pass each stage (as in enough for game completion). Hopefully interesting to watch in an AGDQ environment, too.
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Since this thread is about misc. thoughts...
If you want to make Touhou crossover fan fictions, REMEMBER THIS: you WILL face criticism if you make some of the girls lose or struggle really hard in fights against opponents from the other series.
I personally faced this (I made a Touhou/DC Comics crossover on FF.net), and harsh ones at that...
And no, I'm not trying to start a power level discussion, mind you.
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When playing EoSD, i often consider that the spell cards in Hard are easier than the spell cards in Normal
The VERY few exception are Patchouli's water sign spells and Emerald Megalith, as well as Sakuya's The World, and finally Scarlet Meister
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Since it's been said that there are other sealed-off worlds in Canon outside Gensokyo, I've been thinking that perhaps Mugenri exists in the same universe as Gensokyo, as a separate sealed world.
I'd make that part of my Fanfiction's canon. (When it is written, if ever.)
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Actually, the English patch is out now, but you should read her translated profile on the wiki if you want to know more about her. In-game dialog is rarely all that insightful.
Oh, is it out? I've been looking up and down for the english patch but can't seem to find it anywhere. Kind of curious about how Hecatia's dialogue is, heh.
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To me, MoF is basically: get all six extra lives,die only 2 or 3 times on stages 1 - 5, and waste all the other lives on Kanako.
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For the past 3 main games have had many ties to the "Windows 1" games. TD had Youmu as playable and featured the Netherworld and Yuyuko. DDC had Sakuya as playable and had patterns similar to EoSD's style. LoLK had Reisen as playable and focused heavily on Lunarians. Assuming ZUN's really abandoned PC-98, I think Touhou 16 will have similarities to PoFV, possibly with Komachi as ppayable.
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For the past 3 main games have had many ties to the "Windows 1" games. TD had Youmu as playable and featured the Netherworld and Yuyuko. DDC had Sakuya as playable and had patterns similar to EoSD's style. LoLK had Reisen as playable and focused heavily on Lunarians. Assuming ZUN's really abandoned PC-98, I think Touhou 16 will have similarities to PoFV, possibly with Komachi as ppayable.
2hu 16 is phantasmagoria confirmed
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In a way, I'm grateful ZUN has set the History cap on spell card attempts at "99+". Because I think if I saw just how many times I bashed my head against Clownpiece's first spell card I would probably cry.
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In a way, I'm grateful ZUN has set the History cap on spell card attempts at "99+". Because I think if I saw just how many times I bashed my head against Clownpiece's first spell card I would probably cry.
I'm used to 99+ after finally capturing Seiga's overdrive.
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One thing I don't like is that starting from MoF, the games feel more fast-paced. I don't have god reflexes, and some of the spells are almost impossible if you don't know what's going to happen.
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When asked who the most powerful characters in the series are, people usually answer Yukari, Yuuka, Flandre, and Suika, but rarely ever Eiki, who ZUN says is the most powerful character in the series. In fact, some people don't even believe she is that powerful.
And no, I am not trying to start a power level discussion.
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Eiki, who ZUN says is the most powerful character in the series.
how is this still a thing
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how is this still a thing
Yuyuko, Yukari, and Reimu combined are no match for her.
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I think you've been reading way too many silly fanfics.
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Yuyuko, Yukari, and Reimu combined are no match for her.
Again, not to bring up power levels, but ZUN says Yuyuko, Yukari, and Reimu together could never beat her in an argument. Because, you know, she's the Yama. She basically knows every lie you've ever told. I don't know how powerful she is, but it's irrelevant because ZUN never said one way or the other.
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Again, not to bring up power levels, but ZUN says Yuyuko, Yukari, and Reimu together could never beat her in an argument. Because, you know, she's the Yama. She basically knows every lie you've ever told. I don't know how powerful she is, but it's irrelevant because ZUN never said one way or the other.
Even so, the fact that even Yukari becomes nervous in front of her has to say something about how powerful she is. In a series where firing projectiles at each other is the most common way for resolving issues, you don't simply become scared and nervous just by standing in front of someone who can only talk and not fight. It makes sense for someone who is a/the ruler of life and death to be very powerful.
I think you've been reading way too many silly fanfics.
No, and you want to see what an actual silly, poorly made, ridiculous fan fiction is like? All my years as a fan fiction writer and a common guest on FF.net has led me to see pretty much every kind of story humanity is capable of churning out, from the worst of the worst to the best of the best.
And if you must now, I have not come across anyone making a story that portrays Eiki being powerful. I have only come across countless and countless of done-to-death and uninspired stories of Yukari being used as a plot device character responsible for pretty much everything. I feel like crying every time I come across those.
In fact, stories starring Eiki are few.
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Even so, the fact that even Yukari becomes nervous in front of her has to say something about how powerful she is. In a series where firing projectiles at each other is the most common way for resolving issues, you don't simply become scared and nervous just by standing in front of someone who can only talk and not fight. It makes sense for someone who is a/the ruler of life and death to be very powerful.
Well, the original statement was "ZUN said Eiki is stronger than Yukari, Yuyuko, and Reimu combined", and I'm just letting you know that's false without getting sarcastic like everyone else so far. ZUN never said that. Speculation on why Yukari would be scared of the Yam's power or how strong the Yam is compared to Yukari falls into power level discussion, which I'm pretty sure is banned here. Of course, I have my own opinions on power levels and I'd be glad to discuss them with you in a PM.
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In a series where conflicts are resolved using projectiles and Yukari being nervous when in front of Eiki, be it debates or actual fights, is proof to me that in the very least, Eiki is more powerful than her in combat. Given the lore behind judges of the dead, it makes sense for her to be more powerful than a demon.
Note that I am not trying to continue this debate with the statement above. I'm just saying that I am still convinced that Eiki is one of the most powerful characters in the series, or is at least more powerful than Yukari.
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Shooting at each others is the most common way to deal with things only when there are incidents, and Yukari and Yuyuko had no reason to fight to begin with. Yukari didn't even care about ULiL and LoLK events, do you think she would get involved in some silly auto-resolving flower incident?
Also, what about everyone else that faces Shiki in PoFV (including Youmu that certainly knows her because of Yuyuko)? They are all dumbasses?
Shiki isn't a ruler of life and death either, she just judges who is already dead. Perfect Memento pretty much says that every youkai go into hiding for the simple fact that she constantly nags about everything. You don't want her as enemy because she decides what happens to you after you die, but it has nothing to do with how powerful she is in the "mortal world".
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That's still a sign of power to me. And as I said earlier, her species are considered deities, and one that oversees death, so going by such a lore, it makes sense for her to be powerful.
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And no, I am not trying to start a power level discussion.
HMMM...
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This has been a long-standing misconception based on a shoddy interpretation that's itself based how on one single line, one single term, was translated. It ignores all surrounding context in the short story and in the characters overall, but the fandom is just oh-so-good at taking sketchily translated lines and turning them into something ridiculous that changes the entire way that character is seen.
Of course, we're referring to A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years. We're referring to the line "They must have come to watch the sinful violet cherry blossoms. You can't oppose them, so we'd better retreat, okay?", that was previously explicitly worded as "we're no match for them". We're acknowledging that Yukari, Yuyuko, and Reimu are there talking, and Eiki is approaching. Yukari says this line to Yuyuko, and they skedaddle. Magically, this now means that Eiki is the strongest motherfucker that exists because this must literally mean that even if all three of them ganged up on Eiki in a fight that Yukari somehow figured would happen if she showed up, they wouldn't be able to defeat her. Right?
It's really starting to frustrate me. There are so many levels of flubs that led up to this being a widespread concept, but I guess the fanbase just really likes it enough to stick with it, despite various efforts to fix it. That's why I wonder how this is still a thing.
I'll explain why everything is wrong in the morning or whatever.
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HMMM...
I admit that my "misc. commentary" is basically a power level discussion bait, but I never intended to start one. I just wanted to bring up something that's been on my mind to, perhaps, feel better.
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<Tengukami> Continuing to encourage the power level discussion is not a great way to not intend to have a power level discussion. We don't do these for a reason.
Let us please drop this "but is Eiki stronger than X" line of debate, everyone, thanks.
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This has been a long-standing misconception based on a shoddy interpretation that's itself based how on one single line, one single term, was translated. It ignores all surrounding context in the short story and in the characters overall, but the fandom is just oh-so-good at taking sketchily translated lines and turning them into something ridiculous that changes the entire way that character is seen.
Sakuya's dialogue in PCB when she meets Yukari.
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That could have just been Yukari's hyperbole to make herself look smart. The "yama" had nothing to do with whatever was going on in PCB.
In the same way, Sakuya says "oni are nothing compared to the Devil", trying to make Remilia (and consequently herself, since she deals with her every day) look great. But it doesn't mean Remilia is so fucking great that even oni are nothing compared to her.
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Speaking of Sakuya in a non-power-level context, I know there are a lot of theories as to how she ended up working in SDM; vampire hunter, Lunarian who for whatever reason wanted to be a maid, or just one of the original staff. My personal theory is Sakuya is a vampire who was accidentally turned by Flandre back when the latter was less disciplined. This is why you always see Sakuya hanging around when it's mealtime, even though she doesn't need to be there. Pretty thin evidence, sure, but about as thin as a lot of other theories.
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Every time I see a power level discussion in Chinese community, people bring up Reimu, Yukari, Yuuka, and those Lunarians.
Every time I see a power level discussion in English community, people bring up Eiki, Yukari, and Yuuka.
Do you see the similarities and differences?
Yes, the answer is there is no differences and the similarity is this discussion is useless and a waste of time
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Even as a member of the fandom, I still feel like a foreigner. I feel that only 3 months of experience with the franchise is no valid excuse either.
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3 months is honestly piddly time, especially on a forum like this where most of the active userbase has been here for years. That's totally fine.
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Seconding Drake. I spent the first few months overwhelmed by the size of the cast and the sheer amount of lore in the games and written works. No one is judged or praised by how much time they've been in the fandom, though, so it ultimately doesn't even matter how long you've been here. Enjoying yourself is the main point.
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Manga spoiler:
OMG! Many weeks ago we got Sumireko in WaHH, now we have Nue in FS, finally someone who is most associated with urban legend does something about urban legend
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I wonder what'd happen if Junko were able to get her hands on Chang'e. Chang'e's pretty confirmed immortal in canon just as she should be, so do you guys think Junko would 'purify' the elixir out of her and make her mortal again? Hmm.
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I wonder what'd happen if Junko were able to get her hands on Chang'e. Chang'e's pretty confirmed immortal in canon just as she should be, so do you guys think Junko would 'purify' the elixir out of her and make her mortal again? Hmm.
I was talking about this with someone... somewhere... though I fail to remember who or where. From what I can tell, Junko can pick a quality in a person on wipe away everything else about that person. So, while I obviously can't know for certain, I think Junko would be able to "kill" a person of hourai like you said. By choosing an aspect of them and wiping away all others, including their immortality.
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Manga spoiler: OMG! Many weeks ago we got Sumireko in WaHH, now we have Nue in FS, finally someone who is most associated with urban legend does something about urban legend
Surprise, she was in 24. (http://i.imgur.com/39zXJ98.png)
Also, I don't think that's how it would work. If anything, Junko might be able to turn someone who had only partially imbibed the Hourai Elixir into a full-blown Hourai immortal. Junko wiped away herself by essentially refining herself into an embodiment of her own hated, but that's only really because it had already taken over her entirely. There doesn't seem to be any evidence for Junko being able to pick and choose any quality, but rather just things that are already very prominent about that person. I don't think she could just isolate anything.
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Surprise, she was in 24. (http://i.imgur.com/39zXJ98.png)
I'm pretty sure that's not (supposed to be) Nue, and "appear" does not mean she was there for only a page or small portion of it, she is formally introduced in 31.
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I know what you mean, haha. But that is definitely her. Not only is the ribbon down her shirt the same, but it's a snake wrapped around her right arm and she has the band on her left.
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My main point is just because well, being as smart as Junko is she must have an idea of what she would do once she gets to reach Chang'e right? Killing her would be out of question since she's immortal so there's gotta be something.
By the way, I'm not sure if it's okay to ask or not but where are you guys finding the newer chapters of WaHH and FS? Most sites I know only have them up to chapters 26ish.
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Sorry, just a friendly reminder that we have a Miscellaneous Questions thread for miscellaneous questions; this thread is of course for thoughts and commentary.
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By the way, I'm not sure if it's okay to ask or not but where are you guys finding the newer chapters of WaHH and FS? Most sites I know only have them up to chapters 26ish.
Sorry, just a friendly reminder that we have a Miscellaneous Questions thread for miscellaneous questions; this thread is of course for thoughts and commentary.
I don't know if I should answer here or wait for the question is transferred to misc questions thread or not answering at all because this is not allowed
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Of course, we're referring to A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years. We're referring to the line "They must have come to watch the sinful violet cherry blossoms. You can't oppose them, so we'd better retreat, okay?", that was previously explicitly worded as "we're no match for them".
A late response, but as far as I know, the term, "no match" when used without context has no meaning. I don't see how a change in wording would make it better.
Here are 3 examples of different contexts:
Yugioh: If Joey were to say, "I'm 'no match' against you" to Yugi, what does Joey mean?
Baseball: If I were to say, "The A's are 'no match' for the Giants", what do I mean?
Lack of context: If I were to say, "I'm 'no match' for Game2011", what do I mean?
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It means to be ineffective as an opponent against someone/something, e.g., "Cavities are no match for Colgate Ultra" means cavities are easily defeated by Colgate Ultra.
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"Can't oppose" isn't the greatest wording, either, to note. It's just the best I could think of at the time, which was undoubtedly better than making an unintended implication like how it was before. "Go against" might be the best in terms of how it's used in english, but I'm sure that would also be construed strictly as fighting because people need their powerlevels
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just gonna dump my eosd theories that i know are wrong-ish
I always never thought Sakuya was lunarian because I'm sure someone would notice she wasn't human, like Yukari or Reimu.
I've also had a theory that Remilia had ran away from her parents because child abuse and Flandre followed her without really knowing what was wrong, despite her being beaten herself.
While running away from the sdm mansion they grew up in, they arrived in Japan. With no where to go and no human blood they both almost starved to death. Luckily they found a human village.
Because they were both starving they both basically went on a killing spree for almost a month.
There was also only a few sightings of them, but because of how messy Flandre's kills were they were always seen covered in blood, which coined the name scarlet devils.
Having had their fill the killings were stopped, or at least Remilia stopped, Flandre found it enjoyable and kept going. Remilia was afraid that killing too much of them would attract someone powerful, so she tried to stop her, but failed.
This led to them having a fight which Remi won.
With Flandre knocked out she decided to carry her around and look for a place to live. Remilia actually finds the sdm mansion in Japan. It seems her parents actually tried to follow her but Remilia finds both of her parents dead in the mansion, they seemed to have both died of starvation.
Relimia hides the bodies from Flan before she woke up.
She decides to make up a story on how she found a mansion that looks exactly like their home mansion to Flan when she woke up.
Flan believes this and they live there for a while, but it didn't take long for Flan to go back to the killing spree. She loved the 'Scarlet Devil' label and wanted to keep it going.
Again Remilia tried to stop her, but Flandre continued to defy her until Remilia's fear actually came true.
A vampire assassin had arrived in the village. He came equipped with a big arsenal of anti-vampire knives and specialized in fire magic.
The assassin was able to chase Flandre out of the village. He had also followed her to the mansion to see where they live, this also coined the name scarlet devil mansion.
During all that, Remi had gone out to find a different village to prey on to see if she could direct Flandre's violence in a different direction, but instead she ran into Patchouli.
Patchouli was a magician who lived off the money she earned exorcising demons, but she had run into one too powerful for her. Patchouli did eventually get the demon on it's last legs, so the demon had decided that if it was going to die it will make Patchouli suffer and began laying a curse on her as it died.
The curse would Patchouli a crippling anemia that would eventually kill her in less than a week, Remi had came in at this time and killed the demon mid-curse. In doing so, Patchouli didn't receive a fatal anemia, but one she would have to deal with for the rest of her life.
Of course Patchouli wanted to repay her, but had no way to. Remilia told her she could stay at the sdm mansion until she figured something out. Patchouli agreed with her, but she told Remilia she had some business to take care of first. So Remilia left Patchy and returned to the mansion, only to find Flandre badly hurt.
At this point Remilia got really worried and had considered locking the both of them in the mansion until the assassin left, but Flandre was pissed. How dare someone defy her? So she went back to face the assassin again as soon as she healed up.
Remilia hadn't noticed she disappeared until Flandre started coming back.
When she returned Flandre told Remilia how she was able to kill the assassin's wife. This only made things worse.
The mext day the human village had decided that they had enough and all that were able to fight had geared up to fight the scarlet devils. That night without even notifying the assassin, an army of villagers headed for the scarlet devil mansion. Since the assassin found out where they were they all knew where to go.
Remilia was trying to make sure Flandre staying inside the mansion when the villagers broke down the door to go inside. The sheer number of humans coming after them scared Remilia, but excited Flandre. Despite that, they both ran away to split up the huge group.
Eventually they were both cornered in different places in the mansion. They were given no choice, but to fight practically the entire village.
Back at the village, the assassin only just noticed what was happening and rushed to the mansion, hoping to save much of the villager's lives. The fight at the mansion actually turned into a one-sided carnage. The humans proved no match for Remilia and Flandre and were reducing to pools of blood all over the mansion, the entire mansion basically became a legitimate blood bath. By the time the assassin got there Flandre had already finished off her group.
Driven mad by the amount of blood she felt no fear of the assassin and immediately attacked, but this is when the assassin started to show off his own ability, yes, he could stop time (you migt see where this is going). Although he himself couldn't move while he stopped time, he could use his ability to give him the ability to react much faster than realisticly possible and it gave him time to think about his next move.
Remilia eventually finished off her group and found the assassin and Flandre squaring off at the entrance in the mansion.
At first she tried to stop Flandre, but seeing that she stop at nothing to keep the fight going, so she helped Flandre instead.
The fight was very equal, all three of them had suffered major injuries. The assassin wasn't ready to give up, he had to avenge his wife. He was able to turn the tables and temporarily disable Remilia by breaking both of her arms, but Flandre was still fighting strong, almost as if she had no injuries at all. She started to show off her cloning ability, which threw the assassin off, but also made her too overconfident.
She ended up stepping on a spell circle the assassin had made. She tried to get out in time, but her wings were still in the way went it off. A pillar flames shot up from the spell circle, burning all the flesh on Flandre's wings and back away, the bone was reduced to a blackened state.
Before Flandre even had time to react the assassin had thrown many knives into her until Remilia threw herself at him. Her arms were still broken, but she still fought with her teeth. The assassin didn't have much strength left to fend her off, so he decided to attempt holding back Remilia with words. He tried to make her feel bad for murdering practically the entire village, his family, his wife, he lost almost everything except for his 8 month whom he haven't even named. (yes that's Sakuya). Of course Remilia didn't hold back on killing him, she drank his blood until he stopped moving.
Once he did Remilia immediately went to Flandre's aid, she used the ground to forcefully pop one of her arms back in place and sat Flandre up at the wall of the mansion. Remilia carefully removed the assassin's knives from Flandre's body to make sure they don't slowly kill her, but Flandre was already almost dead from loss of blood. The assassin, was able to get up again despite everything and shuffled to Remilia and Flandre to use his last bit of strength on stabbing Remilia, but just as he was about to, Flandre crushed his eye (which marks the first time she does this). Remilia turns around just in time to see the assassin blow up in front of her.
At this time Patchouli had returned to the mansion to see it literally oozing blood and the sisters both severly injured. Patchy had Koakuma with her, who was a demon she had exorcized a while back and decided to form a contract with her to keep her protected now that she had anemia. Koakuma basically has the rights to Patchouli's life.
Anyway, Patchouli helps Flandre and Remilia using whatever healing magic she knew.
Remilia begged Patchy to do something about Flandre's wings, it would be the debt she wanted to pay.
Patchouli couldn't heal the wings back, so she decided to make artificial ones using her own magic, thus the weird tree branch with crystal ornaments wings were born. Despite how they looked they would let Flandre fly around as if she had normal wings, but if Patchouli herself loses enough magic power or dies, Flandre wouldn't be able to fly.
Anyway, Flandre had become unconscious because of the fight, so Koakuma carried her in the mansion (which is still coated with bodies and blood of course) they find the cleanest place in the mansion (which later turns into Patchouli's library) and let Flandre rest there.
As soon as the next day came, they began cleaning up the mansion, Koakuma basically becomes the maid of the mansion, but Remilia still helped with the cleaning. Remilia had decided to store all of the blood into on place, so Patchouli used her magic to store it all in a single closet. This was enough blood to let both Remilia and Flandre last for hundreds of years.
When Flandre had finally woken up she almost immediately attempts going to the village again, but her injuries held her back. When Remilia sees this, she becomes afraid that Flandre has lost all sense of control, and will only attract stronger people that will eventually kill her. Fearing her sister's death, she decides to lock Flandre in a big room located in the basement of the mansion. She gets Patchouli to set up a barrier to keep Flandre in. (Day 1 of Flandre being locked in mansion)
Remilia heads back to the village herself to see the damage they have caused. She disguises herself as a human being and hides her wings under a cloak Koakuma makes for her.
There was a funeral being held for all the fallen at the massacre in the scarlet devil mansion. She attends to see the remains of the village, which is mostly women, children and elderly. There were only a few men.
Seeing this and the funeral, the words the assassin said during their fight made her feel sorry for the village. She wanted some way to attone for her and Flandre's sins, so she does the first thing that comes to mind.
Raise the assassin's child.
She asks around for where it is and a women sitting at the funeral had her in a basket. In the basket was also a pocketwatch that the assassin owned.
Remilia takes the basket and walks right in front of the memorial the humans made for the fallen and she apologizes to all the villagers without revealin her identity.
She tells them her resolve, that she will take in the assassin's child and raise her herself. She also promises to never attack the village again, and with that, she flew out the funeral. The villagers weren't even given time to realize she was the scarlet devil until she was gone.
With the help of Patchy and Koakuma, Remilia raised the child and gave her he name Sakuya Izayoi. Although patchy did help a little, Remilia attempted to raise her as independently as possible. Meanwhile, Flandre stayed locked in the room, while sometimes being fed by Koakuma and Patchouli. Remilia didn't even want to show her face to Flandre because she felt bad for what she had done, but also felt it was necessary to keep her safe.
As Sakuya grew a little older, The entire mansion had been cleaned out, and Oatchouli started building her library. Sakuya managed to get one of her books once and it was a picture book
about a maid. She couldn't actually read it, but the outfit the maid wore in the book fascinated her and she wanted to be just like her. Patchouli started teaching her how to read and write, she also taught Remilia since she didn't know either. (and Flandre too of course, but Flandre tries to look like she's ignoring Patchy when she does, but she actually pays attention).
When Sakuya is able to read the book she learns about everything the maid did to protect and serve her master, which only made her love the character more.
She eventually decides at a very young age to become Remilia's maid simply because she wanted to be that character. Remilia saw it as a joke, but she allows Sakuya to do maid work and even orders her around a little.
Years passed and Sakuya had grown to be a teenager, she was told that her parents had died in a war and Remilia, being friends of her parents, took her in. Remilia gave Sakuya her father's knives as a way to remember him by. Sakuya had actually become Remilia's maid and was able to replace Koakuma.
During all that time, many people had come to the mansion to fight Remilia, to get of the Scarlet Devil for almost murdering a whole village. Each time Remilia drove them out, but eventually Sakuya replaced Remilia and started driving them out herself.
Since Sakuya was the one kicking people out the mansion now, the scarlet devil rumor started to die out and the visitors became less frequent.
Around this time Sakuya had also began to master her time stopping ability. She slowed down her own aging in hopes to be Remilia's maid for as long as Remilia lives.
More years pass (make this somewhere around year 100 for Flandre being locked inside mansion, Sakuya never finds out about her too) and begins visiting Flandre herself, but only to give her food, she can't bring herself to say anything to her. Flandre herself only glares at Remilia everytime she comes in.
This goes on for about another hundred years, but Flandre never attacks Remilia, only glares at her. Remilia tries to lighten up the tension by bringing toys, but they
only get torn up by Flandre. Patchouli's barrier actually becomes ineffective at this time to after beig up for so long, but Flandre never notices since she never tries to get out anymore. (not that she tried a lot in the first place)
Around this time Hong Meiling shows up to the mansion shouting about how she heard a scarlet devil has practically massacred a whole village. (she's also extremely late on this news) She sees the scarlet devil as a worthy opponent and challenges her to a duel. Sakuya tries to kick her out, but Meiling holds her ground no matter how many knives she threw at her.
Even when she stops time Meiling predicts what Sakuya would do and eventually knocks her out.
This pisses Remilia off and they face off.
Just barely, Remilia wins. When Meiling recovers she thanks Remilia for the duel.
She acts like she goes away, but stays to sneak around the mansion. She ends up finding Flandre while she was sleeping.
Flandre interested Meiling, so the next day when Sakuya found her sleeping in one of the rooms in the mansion, she offers to become the gatekeeper to help keep any other people who might come uninvited away.
At first she's turned down, but people actually show up to kill the scarlet devil and Meiling kicks them out (literally), so she became the gatekeeper anyway. It turns out before Meiling arrived to te mansion she spread the news everywhere that she would fight the scarlet devil and the scarlet devil legend was born again.
While Meiling was gatekeeping she would secretly visit Flandre. Flandre would tell her how evil her sister is being, but when Meiling ignores it and tells Flandre about her fight with Remilia.
She tells Flandre about how she became a gatekeeper in a way that made it sound like Remilia sought out for her.
This actually fascinates Flandre, and Meiling keeps making up stories about Remilia each visit.
This goes on for a long time, Meiling blows up the story of how Remilia got fairies to work as maids. She tells Flandre that she saved a fairy princess and as a reward she got fairy maids, but in reality some fairies pissed Remilia off with a prank and she forces them to work as maids, but the fairies actually brag that they're working for a vampire and other fairies show up to work too.
Flandre grows to loke Meiling a lot and actually begins to idolize Remilia for all the fake stories Meiling tells her. Instead of glaring at Remilia when she visited with food she would smile and would no longer destroy the toys she brings.
This actually creeps out Remilia and she tries not to question it.
This goes on all the way up to year 495. By then, Remilia had moved the mansion to Gensokyo with Patchouli's help where shortly after the Vampire incident happens. Even though Meiling didn't know how it went down, she blew up the story about it to Flandre.
What Meiling did know about was the new spellcard rules for more fair fights. She hated these rules because she felt it went against her way of fighting, (and she was bad at it) but she teaches Flandre about it. Once the Scarlet Mist incident happens Meiling doesn't even try to stop Marisa when she came in. She hoped that she would run into Flandre too like she did. Reimu arrives shortly after Marisa and Meiling pretends to fight her when she comes by.
Marisa gets in a fight with Patchouli while Reimu runs into Sakuya, once both were defeated Reimu finds Remilia, when Sakuya tries to stop her Marisa fights her and allows Reimu to fight Remilia, and Reimu wins of course.
The party (or whatever happened) afterwards that Remilia attends with Sakuya at the Hakurei shrine happens and Marisa comes back to stea- I mean borrow some books, but finds Patchy trying to find Flandre who had broke after getting to excited since Meiling blew up the story yet again and she just couldn't stand by anymore.
Flandre runs into Marisa after Marisa beats Patchouli and challenges her to a spellcard duel. Marisa of course accepts it and does beat her, but Flandre had so much fun she tries for a rematch, but Marisa goes for the books while she still can and hightails it out of there.
Remilia and Sakuya return and LO AND BEHOLD FLANDRE! Remilia freaks out and wonders why she's out and about, but Flandre just hugs her, happy to hear her voice again. She tells Remi that she's gonna be strong and important like her one day and goes to challenge Meiling to a duel. She has forgotten all about why she was locked up in the first place.
Sakuya is confused, so Remilia explains that she has been in the basement all this time, but doesn't tell her about why. Sakuya doesn't asked since she feels it's too personal.
Remilia was of course confused that Flandre knew anything that has happened at all overtime and tries to ask, but Flandre only challenges Remilia to spellcard duels. These spellcard duels became Flandre's new obsession, and eventually pissed Remilia off about it. She constantly fights Flandre and ends up forgetting what she wanted to ask her. (like why the heck she even knows the rules).
Patchouli doesn't even bother looking into it, so no one finds out what Meiling has been doing this whole time.
Flandre still stays in the mansion most of the time since she doesn't know much about the world, and blowing up random things isn't funny. So she stays inside and learns from Patchouli and Meiling.
anyways, my take on how the whole things went down
tl:dr - i spent way to much time writing this
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are you sure this is a "miscellaneous thoughts" ?
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My (incredibly lame) EoSD theory: Remilia is Beethoven. Flandre is Schubert or something.
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are you sure this is a "miscellaneous thoughts" ?
...i think it is...
it's just a lot of thoughts in one post about one topic
written like a borderline story
and i dont think there's another place to put this
i guess i could have made a thread...
hehehehe....
mods pwease dont kill me...
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My (incredibly lame) EoSD theory: Remilia is Beethoven. Flandre is Schubert or something.
In that same vein, Sakuya and Patchy are Liszt and Chopin respectively.
Maybe I should just make a Lame Touhou Theory Thread.
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In that same vein, Sakuya and Patchy are Liszt and Chopin respectively.
Who do you peg as Brahms? Meiling?
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Who do you peg as Brahms? Meiling?
Oh dear, that actually fits.
I wonder who Wagner would be. Cirno, perhaps.
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Various people recently found a bunch of unused data from the early Windows games. Which I think is, like, neat.
- A brief overview (http://kagipen.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-41.html) of EoSD ver0.08+, which was included with the Sep.2002 issue of DOS/V POWER REPORT magazine. It's got a different title screen (the ver0.01 version visible in ZUN's website screenshots) and various minor changes to the music comments and manual.
- There's some leftover text (http://cynthia.cc/up/cynthia-gz/data/8a44ceca195f18e0a3b9d5424fa69b9a.png) in PCB's files even in the finished release; looks like text for the stage and BGM titles, before they were replaced with images. "False Winter ~ Pseudo Winter" where Stage 1 and 2's titles should be, and "Quadruped Little" in place of Diao Ye Zong. Someone reported the same thing back in 2012 (https://twitter.com/ShLShDarkness/status/180330324037873664) too, along with "幽明、処を分かつ調べ" (The Melody that Divides This World from the Next) as Stage 5's title and "Spirit Battle on the Stairs of Hakugyokuro" (finalized Stage 5 title) in place of Till When.
- As shown here (https://twitter.com/cynthia_koko/status/629125633319174148), Yuyuko started out as "Ayaka Saigyouji" around ver0.09, then became "Yuyuka Saigyouji" by ver0.11. Ran and Yukari's surname (https://twitter.com/agagasoso/status/631132995148066817) started out as "Suzukaze" in ver0.09a.
- A couple of (http://pds27.egloos.com/pds/201508/06/35/c0060635_55c2c2a4230a2.jpg) PCB's trial versions (http://pds27.egloos.com/pds/201508/06/35/c0060635_55c2c2aa48c47.jpg) had different select text for Lunatic (Marvel - "For weird people"), Extra (Ordeal - "For people lacking stimulation" / "A hard-to-avoid disaster") and Phantasm ("The fantasy of being alive").
- In IN ver0.01 (https://twitter.com/quuya/status/640847146132967425), Yukari's regular bomb was "Eternal Night Barrier" rather than "Quadruple Barrier", and the Border Team outright had an autobomb rather than a long deathbomb time.
- IN ver0.02 (https://twitter.com/abysmalhypogeum/status/640612519892008960) (still available on ZUN's website) contains difficulty select text for a Phantasm stage: "Sixteenth Night - Even after the full moon passes". This text was removed by ver0.03. The "sixteenth night" ('izayoi') is the night after the full moon.
- The difficulty select text for PoFV's Extra (https://twitter.com/abysmalhypogeum/status/640626702809350144) is slightly different in the demo version: "Challenge the cherry blossoms in this desperate difficulty."
edit: VV thank u
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That last one is probably more "Challenge the cherry blossoms in this do-or-die difficulty." but all that's pretty cool.
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This kind of dates back to when I was more unfamiliar with the Touhou franchise and its characters, and I thought that Touhou as a whole was a story about youkai trying to co-exist in human society whilst doing their best to hide their true species. I always thought that Sakuya was a worker at a maid cafe, loving to perform in front of customers, her actual species being a demon for I recalled her being referred to as the "Scarlet Devil Maid" in a fan work. I thought of Meiling as a largely loyal and devoted hero who swore to protect the humans at all costs from youkai who went rogue, this idea I got from her story in Hisoutensoku upon reading her line "I am a youkai to loves Gensokyo with all her heart!" when she was talking to the youkai disguised as Reimu. Finally, I saw Patchouli as one who is constantly learning to make the human world a better place, her mind constantly in deep thought, this idea I got from her yelling at Meiling for interrupting her research. This was also the motive I thought that the "rogue youkai" had when they wanted to enter the library.
I know that the actual series is completely different from this, but I thought that it would be nice to yell you lot about what I thought it was from my first experiences. All of this, of course, I derived from watching a playthrough of Hisoutensoku.
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It won't be long before someone makes a metal remix of Pandemonic Planet.
It's just begging to be remixed into that, considering ZUN's notes in the music room.
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The line "It's unknown if Chang'e has full knowledge of who [Junko] is, but she's likely aware of her to some extent," from the latter's profile (emphasis mine) makes me think of this (http://imgur.com/8NWcEwa) scene from Inaba & Inaba.
In a hypothetical 4-koma featuring Junko and Hecatia's visit to Eientei
, I'd find it funny if the two immortals were to say that a) Junko should stop her beef with Chang'e, and that b) Chang'e should apologise, with the background showing Reisen with a sweatdrop. (It's times like this when I wish I could draw well.)
Edit: Oops
The fact that Chang'e was mentioned, and her silhouette (http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/c/ca/ChangeSSiB.jpg) was shown (rather ominously, methinks), as early as the Bougetsushou era seems to indicate that ZUN already thought back then to incorporate her and her background, including her history with Junko, into the Moon saga. If that were the case, this expansion must have been on his mind for years, and it likely took the conception of Pointdevice mode's mechanics to make this possible, gameplay-wise. (I'd say the Western influences were brought about by his visit to the US.) For one thing, the Moriya, Religious Wars and Tsukumogami arcs were all released in succession, whereas IN and LoLK are separated by 6 main titles.
Just a minor thought, but it would be swell if ZUN mentions anything regarding this in his interview in the upcoming magazine.
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It looks like all current manga are translated, included the one with Sumireko in WaHH
I just want to point out that Sumireko's urban legend is doppelganger is something already stated in ULiL, but many people missed that, for some reason.
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Where did you find the translations?
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Where did you find the translations?
Some people posted the link on 4chan
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I feel like DDC is just a big reference to anime.
DDC has Kill la Kill and Attack on Titan references just from a character and a spell card.
ISC could be this too to Kill la Kill, because of the title font.
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I feel like DDC is just a big reference to anime.
DDC has Kill la Kill and Attack on Titan references just from a character and a spell card.
ISC could be this too to Kill la Kill, because of the title font.
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(Kill la Kill premiered in October 2013. Double Dealing Character was released as a demo in May 2013, andthe full version in August 2013).
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(Kill la Kill premiered in October 2013. Double Dealing Character was released as a demo in May 2013, andthe full version in August 2013).
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I derped when I made that post. I'm for sure that the Attack on Titan thing is there, ZUN might have referenced Kill la Kill more in ISC rather than DDC.
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Some people posted the link on 4chan
Are they collected anywhere else like on a manga reader site?
I just want to know because if they are done, I'd rather focus my efforts on fixing up game-related text, provided the comic translations are half-way decent.
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Are they collected anywhere else like on a manga reader site?
I just want to know because if they are done, I'd rather focus my efforts on fixing up game-related text, provided the comic translations are half-way decent.
Uh... those are my rough drafts (you see the text on the documents I send you, but I might as well get the image editing done before you proofread). I share them with my friends, but there seems to be a leak. A while ago, I started including disclaimers on them telling people not to trust the translation and not to upload them onto manga reader sites.
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Ah, I see. All right then, I'll proceed as normal.
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(Kill la Kill premiered in October 2013. Double Dealing Character was released as a demo in May 2013, andthe full version in August 2013).
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I derped when I made that post. I'm for sure that the Attack on Titan thing is there, ZUN might have referenced Kill la Kill more in ISC rather than DDC.
Yeah, I'm certain the Attack on Titan references are intentional.
Regarding Kill la Kill, keep in mind ZUN may not have finalized Seija's design by the time the first KLK promo art was released in May. So he may still have been influenced by Ryuuko's design.
And while it could be a coincidence, Raiko has been compared to Battler from Umineko, as well. Though Umineko also has Touhou references and Ryukishi07 and ZUN are friends
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Ayaka Saigyouji? OMG... Though to be honest that is a more believable guess as to what her historical name is (Saigyou really did have a daughter). I always guessed given her father that her actual historical name would have been "Sakura" or "Hana(ko)". I guess ZUN went with Yuyuko for a name meaning relating to the story, especially since her actual name has been lost to history. She is simply known as "Daughter of Saigyou". Sad really, I would have loved to be able to know her true name... Still, Yuyuko is a very pretty name and it is the name that I came to know her by.
And as for Suzukaze... Yeah, that would not have worked for the Maribel Hearn connections... Instead we probably would have had some eventual Kancolle memes because that is the name of a destroyer (and it means "cool breeze"). Yakumo as a name is more appropriate for that "clan", hence why ZUN chose that name instead.
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Hahaha someone in Chinese forum pointed out an interesting thing
This is from PMiSS
Indeed, in light of such things as medicines that can cure all illnesses and lengthen lifespans, or sauces that can make dumplings ten times as flavorful, it's clear that not just their weaponry, but the whole of their civilization is more advanced than that of Gensokyo.
"Sauces that can make dumplings ten times as flavorful(団子が十倍美味しく食べられるタレなど)" (btw, why is 団子 translated as dumplings?)
LOL, now we know whom this thing is for. Don't know if ZUN did this on purpose or just a coincidence.
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The Three Mischievous Fairies were very much dead ringers for the Madoka trio.
Sunny = Madoka
Luna = Mami
Star = Homura
Anyone noticed it? Some die-hard Madoka fans on Deviantart actually said so in the comments section for many Three Mischievous Fairies fanarts
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FS 32 preview:
Aya is introduced and has a very nice looking outfit that I really like.
Possibly another serious story. Yukari is not the only one who monitors the human village. Youkais like tengus also maintain village's order.
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(http://jurnalotaku.kilatstorage.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Th145cover.jpg)
Bach in the background amuses me every time.
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I've been catching up on Forbidden Scrollery over the last week, and as always for ZUN manga it is just delightful on a level that always somehow still manages to surprise me. I genuinely believe that even if Touhou had never taken off for whatever reason ZUN could still make a name for himself in manga. He's a wonderful writer.
But anyway, reading the latter chunk of Forbidden Scrollery has reminded me what a great character Akyuu is. I've said a number of times before that I think that if Touhou had a more conventional narrative (which is to say, if it took any form other than a video game, where it makes sense for the story to follow the omnipotent super-character) I think Keine would be the most viable protagonist for the series. Lately though I think Akyuu is a strong contender. I love how active she is in Forbidden Scrollery. She's always up in everybody's problems even though she doesn't have any particular tools to solve them outside of her wits and her contacts. Makes for great storytelling. I like Kosuzu a lot too, she's a fun protagonist, but I feel like the more the story moves along the more she gets a little overshadowed in her own book by Akyuu.
I guess I'm kind of glad I decided to catch up on my reading after the 2015 popularity poll, because I don't know if I could even pick a top five right now.
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I'll make this as brief as possible since this is misc thread.
FS 32 :
Marisa finds a Tengu's letter
Aya (with a new outfit) is looking for news in village
There's a competition between youkai (tanuki kappa rabbit fox) on who can control human village (human's life isn't going to change)
But there can't be any human controller; it's another breaking-balance thing
WaHH 30 preview:
Fox Marisa (WaHH 8 ) returns.
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Yandere Dev just posted some love for Touhou. Here, https://youtu.be/xvAmCSnBjbI Awesome!
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Mmmm... Imagine if like.. the touhou games would have the other touhou games' scoring mechanics?
Like... imagine if MOF had LoLK's Graze-To-Get-Lives mechanic, or SA had DDC's reach-to-the-PoC mechanics.
I wonder if it would make any of the games easier/harder!
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if MOF had LoLK's Graze-To-Get-Lives mechanic
I would've 1ccd MoF by now.
Someone will probably do something like this someday.
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Now I am really curious about PCB with mechanics other than the Borders and different mechanics for getting lives.
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PCB with Ten Desire's spirit mechanic.
Stage 4 would've been 10 times more fun.
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LoLK with SA communication meter
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LoLK with MoF system. Oh you bombed? Here have a debuff.
Edit: this strays from touhou somewhat, but UFO with DDP DFK's laser cancelling system. Get wrecked, Shou, ex Kogasa. The inevitable revenge bullets would even make things quite interesting.
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LoLK with MoF system. Oh you bombed? Here have a debuff.
Edit: this strays from touhou somewhat, but UFO with DDP DFK's laser cancelling system. Get wrecked, Shou, ex Kogasa. The inevitable revenge bullets would even make things quite interesting.
Oh the joys of fighting Sagume with low power! :V
Also imagine Impossible Spellcard with Fairy Wars' freezing.
(Let's forget Gold rush is a thing)
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Imagine UFO with GFW freezing. Half that game is lasers and fireballs... and then if the patterns were made GFW levels of density and speed o_o
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Mmmm... Imagine if like.. the touhou games would have the other touhou games' scoring mechanics?
Like... imagine if MOF had LoLK's Graze-To-Get-Lives mechanic, or SA had DDC's reach-to-the-PoC mechanics.
I wonder if it would make any of the games easier/harder!
Wouldn't a scoreing system only change the difficulty if the game was points-> lives? A change to the score system probobly wouldn't effect any games post UFO.
Although if bombs drained your power in EoSD it would make EoSD harder. Points = lives there; and power is not that common.
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All this talk about giving some games mechanics from other games has got me wondering if there could be a shmup (not necessarily Touhou) where most of the underlying gameplay mechanics could be altered both before and during the game itself. For example, there could be an item that trades a life stock for a health meter that's filled to a certain point based on how many lives you had before you picked it up, or another item that turns a medal-based scoring system into a chain-based scoring system.
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Yuugi would make a very good bartender.
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I FINALLY thought up of a plot for my Touhou x Inside Out crossover fanfic. A disastrous event occuring outside Gensokyo lands several "emotion balls" into the secluded land and several characters get hold of the "emotion balls". Coming into contact with these spheres turns one into the living personification of whatever emotion each sphere's colour corresponds to.
This is still too similar to HM.
(Sorry if it's the wrong topic to post this.)
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I FINALLY thought up of a plot for my Touhou x Inside Out crossover fanfic. A disastrous event occuring outside Gensokyo lands several "emotion balls" into the secluded land and several characters get hold of the "emotion balls". Coming into contact with these spheres turns one into the living personification of whatever emotion each sphere's colour corresponds to.
This is still too similar to HM.
(Sorry if it's the wrong topic to post this.)
inb4 kokoro
Seems like a neat idea. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokoro or Koishi appears in some shape or form.
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I have been wondering about this for a while, but evil nazgul's "what if answer (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17712.msg1221910.html#msg1221910)" gave me inspiration.
Do youkai really need Gensokyo after all? If Clownpiece, Junko, and Hecatia are from outside (Junko is kind of weird though, i'm not even sure what she actually is), wouldn't this mean the outside world is still full of gods and youkai? Add also Mamizou and the hobgoblins, that were doing just fine without Gensokyo before Nue and Yukari brought them inside it.
Sometimes i think Gensokyo is just Yukari's plaything and that even without it youkai could survive (not sure for gods). Besides, she seems to have done nothing about Sumireko's kamikaze ideas. What if Reimu failed because she slipped on a banana peel, and Sumireko succeeded? Everything goes to hell because of that?
Another thing is Reimu being vital to Gensokyo's existence, which i believe being bullshit just like heaven being filled, or shinigami going around killing hermits and celestials (both the thing proved to be false). That's because:
-Aya's reaction in SSiB. For those who don't know, when Reimu was kept on the Moon, Aya simply talks with herself about finding someone else.
-The thing above being taken into account in "Strange creators etc etc.", where for what i could understand by google-translating it, it says it's the youkai who choose the shrine maiden (so "Hakurei" might not even be an actual lineage, but a name taken from the shrine).
-The original purpose of the barrier: sealing youkai away. If taking down the barrier was as easy as killing a single person, it means the plan was really bad made from the start.
-Rinnosuke saying that it's Yukari's power that keeps Gensokyo separated from the Outside World, and that no human or youkai can oppose her.
-Reimu going to the Moon, twice, where no one can assure her safety (add also the danger of the travel). The 1st time was even Yukari's idea, and i don't think she would risk Gensokyo to steal some sake (i know it's Yukari we're talking about, but she can't be THIS weird :V).
-PCB saying that the original barrier was made by some priests, but then youkai put "an even stronger power" at work. The power of youkai outclasses that of humans, so a youkai-made barrier could (or already did) substitute the original one.
-Reimu addressing Yukari as the "creator" of the barrier in WaHH. This is kind of weird since i'm not sure what she meant.
My theory is that they do need some poor soul who manages the barrier, but not specifically Reimu or someone related to her. AFAIK, Ran and Yukari are the ones known to protect the barrier from "erosion".
I know both the things have probably been talked about many times, but i came here only recently so i'd like to know your ideas.
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Gensokyo allows youkai to develop an identity beyond of what humanity's fears and imagination visualizes them, as discussed by Byakuren, Miko and Kanako during the titular symposium in SoPM. In there, they are "real". They can live in the Outside, sure, but their whole sense of self is dependant on humanity's whims. IIRC, Ichirin talks about it in her ULiL ending, on how the atmosphere itself of the Outside World seemed to be denying her existence (or something to that effect).
Hecatia, Junko and Clowpiece aren't really from the Outside World, they're from Hell (at least I'm assuming Junko ended up there; don't see how she'd know Hecatia otherwise). Heaven, Hell, Higan, the Netherworld, Makai, etc. aren't really a part of Gensokyo or the Outside World; perhaps they have their own way to sustain youkai/gods/whatever.
Also, it seems that Yukari just acts if something really potentially catastrophic that she's not sure of the cause is happening. If she didn't act, it's probably safe to assume she didn't think it would be as dangerous as you'd think.
Regarding Reimu not being vital to Gensokyo... I agree with you, actually. It always felt weird to me, for the reasons you described. Maybe something bad would happen if she died, but likely not Gensokyo's destruction.
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"Reimu dies and Gensokyo explodes" is a meme. There's never been any indication that such a thing is true. The shrine maiden's job is to manage and upkeep the Barrier so that it isn't broken, similar to saying that a regular shrine maiden tends to their shrine. In Reimu's case they're almost one and the same since the Hakurei Shrine lies along the boundary. In the same way that the Three Fairies now live in and support the massive tree along the Barrier, the Hakurei Shrine is another one of those points to maintain. If Reimu died and no other shrine maiden took on those duties or abilities, the Barrier falling into disarray is an eventuality, not a necessity. Meanwhile, a lot of the manual maintenance work is probably done by Yukari behind the scenes. PCB saying "Gensokyo being sealed away by priests" has essentially been retconned one way or another, since the narrative is totally backwards. It also says later that humans spirited away aren't able to return, which is totally false now.
Yukari staying out of the ULiL incident is the only thing I'm still a bit confused about. Maybe it was just a storytelling thing, but it seems lazy to not have a particular reason for something so apparently dangerous to not simply be whisked away by Yukari like it was nothing, because ultimately that sounds like a more likely scenario in-universe. Maybe all the power stones being activated wouldn't actually do what Sumireko figured at all and she was just being a massive drama queen as per usual.
ZUN has grouped the Lunar Capital together with Gensokyo, as well as other places like the Dream World and Hell. He has just started calling these "Otherworlds" (異界). The stuff in these worlds is what seems to thrive fantastically; it isn't Gensokyo in particular with special properties (this was known to be the case ever since SSiB, also). Hecatia and the Hell fairies live in Hell(s), Junko probably lives in the Lunar Capital, or she lives in Hell and can get to the Capital through Hecatia. The Underground doesn't count as in Gensokyo either, but those guys are all fine. Gensokyo is just Yukari's answer for giving an option for youkai living on the Outside.
Some youkai are also just fine living on the Outside. Tanuki in particular can thrive due to transformation, and note that the zashiki-warashi were "brought to the Outside World" precisely because they were being talked about. Remember that as far as Touhou is concerned, if some occurrence is ever hinted to be an act of a youkai, it's quite probable that a youkai actually did it (and similarly, if you worship a thing, a god lives in it). Youkai moving from the Outside to Gensokyo is just allowing for the humans to continue to explain things through science and skepticism without the youkai being forgotten and disappearing entirely.
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Thanks guys, glad you clarified those things to me.
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Yukari staying out of the ULiL incident is the only thing I'm still a bit confused about. Maybe it was just a storytelling thing, but it seems lazy to not have a particular reason for something so apparently dangerous to not simply be whisked away by Yukari like it was nothing, because ultimately that sounds like a more likely scenario in-universe. Maybe all the power stones being activated wouldn't actually do what Sumireko figured at all and she was just being a massive drama queen as per usual.
I take it more of a story telling deal. Yukari is talking to Marisa. What she says does not necessarily have to be true. She did this before in Silent Sinner in Blue.
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Upon waiting for classes to start at school today, I came across the realization that Dragon Ball Z styled fights would work almost perfectly well in Touhou. Think about it: just about all of the characters can fly, there are a lot of special moves (Master Spark anyone?), and danmaku of course.
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Yukari staying out of the ULiL incident is the only thing I'm still a bit confused about. Maybe it was just a storytelling thing, but it seems lazy to not have a particular reason for something so apparently dangerous to not simply be whisked away by Yukari like it was nothing, because ultimately that sounds like a more likely scenario in-universe. Maybe all the power stones being activated wouldn't actually do what Sumireko figured at all and she was just being a massive drama queen as per usual.
My reading of it was that ZUN was trying to get some of the mystery back into Yukari. If she's so predictable that fans think they can know exactly when she's going to show up and what she's gonna do, then she's already lost as a youkai. ULiL may or may not have actually been dangerous, but we also don't know how subtle Yukari's plans may or may not be. She showed up in the LoLK ending pretty much just to laugh at those of us who think we can predict her.
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My reading of it was that ZUN was trying to get some of the mystery back into Yukari. If she's so predictable that fans think they can know exactly when she's going to show up and what she's gonna do, then she's already lost as a youkai. ULiL may or may not have actually been dangerous, but we also don't know how subtle Yukari's plans may or may not be. She showed up in the LoLK ending pretty much just to laugh at those of us who think we can predict her.
I like this.
But i have a less interesting theory: Yukari is a time displaced Maribel, and at one point she realized that she was (will be?) responsible somehow for herself turning into a Youkai/time traveling, so then Yukari found out about Sumireko's plan to break into Gensokyo, Yukari figured out somehow that the ULiL incident is important to Maribel becoming Yukari somehow. Why? Well aside from the possible connections between Sumireko and Renko, maybe a occult ball finds it way into Maribel and Renko's hands somehow?
(This isn't to say that the LoLK ending isn't ZUN saying that Yukari isn't the benevolent overseer of Gensokyo that we think she is, i'm just sharing my miscellaneous thoughts on this subject.)
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I just read FS 34 and...
seems like the incident is actually still going? It's probably not even the lunarians anymore now.
Even more important, someone who is NOT Yukari donated to the Hakurei Shrine!
:V
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I just read FS 34 and...
seems like the incident is actually still going? It's probably not even the lunarians anymore now.
Even more important, someone who is NOT Yukari donated to the Hakurei Shrine!
:V
You mean the urban legend incident? Yes, it is still going on in both FS(34) and WaHH.(31)
Lunarians are also mentioned in both cahpter (and Sagume made cameo appearance in both chapters as well)
New chapter of FS should come out in a few days, I would like to see who would spread such an dangerous urban legend.
EDITED: By the way, guys, I just saw that the 12th Touhou popularity poll is coming on January
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Yeah THPP is coming soon. When more details surface I (or someone else) will make a thread.
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(http://i65.tinypic.com/25tc8ly.jpg)
Looks like the fairies are up again.
Welcome back.
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New chapter of FS should come out in a few days, I would like to see who would spread such an dangerous urban legend.
What about Kasen? She has shown the desire to see "the sky shatter" (the barrier taken down) in WaHH 25. Of course, looking at how the guy at the beginning talks about incidents coming one after another, it might be the villagers themselves who started it.
Looks like the fairies are up again.
Welcome back.
Oh my gods!
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What about Kasen? She has shown the desire to see "the sky shatter" (the barrier taken down) in WaHH 25. Of course, looking at how the guy at the beginning talks about incidents coming one after another, it might be the villagers themselves who started it.
Kasen doesn't seem like the genocidal sort. So i'm saying no on that one.
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That suggests youkai actually died during the lunar invasion and not just get beaten up with no way to escape. Considering the Lunarians don't want to dirty the moon with death and they could probably have dealt with the youkai without killing them, the latter seems much more likely. It isn't as if huge sacrifice would have been part of the invasion in the first place considering if everyone died then there would be nobody left to teach a lesson to. The point is that the troublesome youkai were put in their place. Yukari herself surrendered when she first went to the moon, so it isn't too hard to figure that she knew the Lunarians generally don't kill, either.
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Considering the Lunarians don't want to dirty the moon with death
I agree with you on everything else, but where do you get this from? Didn't they try to execute Kaguya?
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Yorihime says that when she fights Reimu in Silent Sinner in Blue, iirc.
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She also says it in CiLR when Reimu thinks her drink was poisoned. Plus not wanting kegare on the moon pretty much necessitates not killing.
The stuff with them attempting to execute Kaguya is a bit strange considering if the Hourai Elixir was forbidden for some reason they should have already known Kaguya couldn't die. This point is never mentioned again in passages about Kaguya's exile, so I personally chalk it up to another instance of IN's writing being wonky and undeveloped at the time when contrasted against Bougetsushou. Back with IN, kegare wasn't even a thing yet and the Lunarian society probably wasn't well thought-out, so it makes sense that there happens to be a conflict.
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Yeah, IN has basically been retconned by every single later moonwork, so I'd take anything it says with a grain of salt. Let us never forget Reisen's companions who died in the moon war that didn't happen.
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Not mine, but one i found on twitter (https://twitter.com/kaiuzMP/status/696216893699465216).
今気づいた。サグメ様、攻撃モーション時に自分の羽根一枚切り離して放ってる。画像で言う4～6枚目
高速な手の動きは、コレ羽根一枚スパッと切って発射する動きだったんやな
そして、もしかしたらあの陰陽玉型弾幕発射機は羽根から出来てた……？
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cal1kz1UcAA0VE1.png)
Basically, when Sagume attacks, she displays this animation. In frames 4-6, a small feather fragment is separated from her wings. Look at her hand making a slash. Google is a dubious translator so i don't know if she is cutting herself or throwing the feather with her hand. This guy guesses if her yin yang orbs are made out of feathers.
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Seems like she is slicing off one of her feathers, yeah.
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I've seen some photos of WaHH 32.
is another one about setsubun. There's also Mamizou and others tanuki, but even more interesting, there's a panel with Kasen's shadow/silhouette having horns (!).
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It's Mamizou's envisioning of her being an oni, though.
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Even if you can't read Japanese, I'm not really sure how people are reading so much into that panel.
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This got picked up on Twitter, but apparently one guy took the dates and occurrences that happened in the Sealing Club CD stories.
・蓮台野夜行は11月3日
- Ghostly Field Club takes place on November 3rd
・蓮台野の2時30分に盤面の月が見える
- The surface of the moon is visible at 2:30 am on that day
・大空魔術の日は満月
- There is a full moon on the day that Magical Astronomy takes place
・大空の日、日の入前に宵の明星が見えるほど金星が明るい
- On that day, Venus is bright enough to be seen before the sun sets
・大空は卯酉東海道を挟んで蓮台野の翌々年
- MA takes place two years after GFC, with Retrospective in between
これらを満たすのは
蓮台野夜行 2151年11月3日
大空魔術 2153年1月10日のみ
The only real-life dates that correspond to this sequence of events are:
GFC - November 3rd, 2151
MA - January 10th, 2153
The reasoning being that this is that in MA, Renko says "At 16:31, I saw the evening star." (AKA Venus), and that the sun sets at the earliest point in Kyoto around December through January, which is about 4:50 pm. This also coincides with the period when Venus is bright enough to be visible to the naked eye.
And then, he followed up with a summary:
2151年11月3日 蓮台野夜行の墓回し
2151年12月 「博麗神社を見に行かない？（紅葉の終わり頃」
2152年9月20日頃 卯酉東海道（※秋の彼岸の場合）
2153年1月10日 大空魔術
2153年8月以降 月面ツアーの予定時期（夏休み以降なので
November 3rd, 2151 - Events at Rendaino
December 2151 - Renko suggests going to the Hakurei Shrine at the end of GFC
September 20th, 2152 - Riding the Boyo Tokaido Line (sometime during the Autumn Equinox)
January 10th, 2153 - Magical Astronomy
August 2513 or later - Scheduled visit to the moon (since it's after summer vacation)
Considering how ZUN has been trying to line up events in the game with real-world times (even as recent as ULiL where Kasen mentions lifting a 130-year ban that coincides with the formation of the Hakurei Barrier), this theory seems quite plausible. It would also give time for Sumireko to have descendants (that somehow still bear her family name) and for Tokyo to recede enough that Kyoto becomes the capital again.
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Interesting. Honestly, I doubt ZUN was thinking about it that much, although I guess it's not implausible to pick a year and then look up starcharts or whatever for it.
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Yeah this is a pretty impressive fanalysis, though I agree with Clarste that I can't imagine ZUN sitting down with star chats and calendars working this all out beforehand.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XuhzO-2bYU
Satori... Can I just hug you...?
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You know I'm seeing theories everywhere that Kosuzu might become a Youkai at the end of FS. All things considered, ZUN is not tasteless enough to kill her off. Even if she does become a Youkai, I'm sure ZUN will find a way to make a happy ending.
I also don't get the appeal of the fairy characters. I'm mostly meh toward them with a twinge of annoyance once someone talks about them too much.
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It kind of bothers me that most Touhou fangames I've seen are based on EoSD. While it is personally my favourite of the main series, I would like to see some originality story-wise.
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What's on the paper manual of PoDD is the same thing as the text manual, 夢時空_1.TXT. Yeah. So no worries. Although I wonder what's on the first page of every paper manual. My friend who knows Japanese looked at a picture of it and said that it's about not letting kids watch too much TV and people who confuse anime with reality.
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Am I the only one who finds the whistle in Mystia's theme a bit... Weird?
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I've always done fanfics, create.swf comics, etc. about Parsee turning into a monster. Considering she's in Gensokyo and there's no common sense there, she can get so jealous she'll become a literal monster. With fangs and wings.
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I never understood the "Hina Face" meme. Could I get some more clarification on that?
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I never understood the "Hina Face" meme. Could I get some more clarification on that?
Hina trolling you or Hina the smug bitch.
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I never understood the "Hina Face" meme. Could I get some more clarification on that?
it's a particularly dumb ZUN face
that's literally it
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Okay, I know that Marisa's name is meant by ZUN to be a feminine-sounding Japanese name...
However, as mentioned in a recent post in the "You Know You're Addicted To Touhou When...", the name "Marisa" is also a legit American first name, whether spelled the way it is or with two "s".
So does that mean Marisa is unofficially half-American? The not-normal-for-Asians blonde hair seems to support this theory...
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Why would you make the leap to "American" and not just conclude it can sound like a western name in general, or at the least might have some western influence? Regardless, what makes this any different from the legions of western names ZUN uses?
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So does that mean Marisa is unofficially half-American? The not-normal-for-Asians blonde hair seems to support this theory...
I think this would be a huge stretch to make. Not just because "Marisa" is not necessarily an "American" name, either, but because things like name and hair color can be taken up anywhere. They do not necessarily imply nationality, at all. And given all the western or western-sounding names and funky hair colors already used by the 2hus, this assumption on Marisa's ethnicity makes even less sense.
It's an Occam's Razor thing here. The simplest explanation is probably the right one. Trying to squint hard enough to look at Marisa as "unofficially half-American" assumes a whole pile of necessary data points that we just don't have.
e: Also, in the future try and keep miscellaneous questions to the Misc Questions thread.
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So when Reimu is real depressed, she makes that weird face? (SoEW ending discussion)
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Heh, I just realized that not only Ichirin's spellcard portrait in ULiL copies Byakuren's scroll, but she also copies her pose from HM.
It also seems that both her and Futo have the same pose when using their last words.
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An old interview from just after when MoF was released got put on the wiki relatively recently, and I finally found the time I get that translated: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Chara%E2%98%86Mel/Mountain_of_Faith_interview_with_ZUN
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Wouldn't it be awesome if Shiki was part of the R.I.P.D.? If you seen the movie though.
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Interviewer: Do you think Sanae will be playable at some point?
ZUN: Not really. It might be hard to pull off since she's a goddess with incredible powers.
Huh, interesting. Seems ZUN's Original idea for Sanae was a bit different than what it is now.
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An old interview from just after when MoF was released got put on the wiki relatively recently, and I finally found the time I get that translated: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Chara%E2%98%86Mel/Mountain_of_Faith_interview_with_ZUN
This is good. I like how long it took the western fandom to draw explicit connections in the mythology behind the game despite there being an interview that straight-up lists them.
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True, but it's not like archiving these things has been that much of a priority to the greater fandom, and if Masuo hadn't even have transcribed the thing in the first place, I would've had no idea it existed.
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That's exactly what I mean; I just find it funny how much we miss out on due to unawareness or other reasons, especially in the times before many people started caring somewhat about these things.
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An old interview from just after when MoF was released got put on the wiki relatively recently, and I finally found the time I get that translated: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Chara%E2%98%86Mel/Mountain_of_Faith_interview_with_ZUN
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Can someone take a look over this (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Basic_Knowledge_of_Fantastic_Words_2015)? It looks like a really good intro to the setting, but it seems to have been machine-translated.
In terms of the current basis, in the up-to-date definition, whether or not Gensokyo is in or out of the barrier, it all boils down to one point. The fact that "the outside world and the inner world" is a truth that will never change Gensokyo.
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Koakuma and Patchouli were going to be in PCB? Were they just leftover sprites from EoSD?
Anyway, the EoSD stage 1 enemy we think is Rin is actually Rumia. Yeah...
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They were leftovers, yes. PCB and IN were just built on top of EoSD and it's no surprise that there are quite a few remnants.
People stopped thinking the extra EoSD sprites were Rin a while ago, too (at least I hope so).
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I dunno, people really like to cling to this weird fantasy of the "secret character" who ZUN's never revealed. Rather than the more mundane and likely "half-baked idea that never went anywhere, just like a billion other things ZUN never did."
To be fair, it's not just ZUN. I think it's a more general fantasy about how development or any creative process works. They don't see the discarded ideas, especially the ones that weren't even written down, so anything they do catch a glimpse of feels far closer to being "true" than it really should be.
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Gonna politely ask that this not become a second version of the Misc Questions thread, which we already have. "Thoughts and commentary" can include questions, but those are more of a speculative, no-definitive-answer nature. If it's a question that has a specific answer, go ahead and ask it in the stickied thread.
Anyways.
I've been thinking a lot about how ZUN manages fatherhood and Touhou Project. Admittedly I have no idea where or even if his wife works, so maybe they're both stay-at-home parents. But even so, those first couple years are pretty intense in terms of energy and attention requirements. This was part of the reason why LoLK impressed me so much - he keeps topping himself, more or less, despite these incredibly demanding new circumstances.
I dunno, maybe he lucked out and got one of those mythical Babies Who Sleep All The Time.
It's quite possible that Yukari somehow helps him.
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It's quite possible that Yukari somehow helps him.
Yukari's kind of an dick, she probably hates children if her interactions with Chen are anything to go by.
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It will likely remain as big as now.. Given that ZUN wasn't dead (Very likely that Yukari won't let him die)
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Am I the only one who finds the whistle in Mystia's theme a bit... Weird?
It's obvious - the most logical explanation can be linked to her ability and what yuuka and Eiki have to say about her in PoFL.
"The song isn't coming from inside you, but rather you're singing a song you're hearing from a faint voice." - Yuuka
"If you continue singing without thinking, the souls around you will become more than strange." - Eiki
"That may be connected to an unprecedented grave sin." - Eiki
In short.... Mystia Lorelei is a herald of Azathoth - The Nuclear Chaos, The Daemon Sultan, The Blind Idiot God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azathoth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azathoth)
A god of madness from beyond time and space, who sits in the center of all chaos, pulsing to an unceasing, insane song of pipes and drums.
I've always thought that Mystia has a bit more to her than is revealed, though whether or not I'd actually turn to H.P. Lovecraft to satisfy that feeling... it definitely makes for an interesting concept, however.
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Imagine a National Geographic series of Gensokyo.
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In short.... Mystia Lorelei is a herald of Azathoth - The Nuclear Chaos, The Daemon Sultan, The Blind Idiot God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azathoth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azathoth)
A god of madness from beyond time and space, who sits in the center of all chaos, pulsing to an unceasing, insane song of pipes and drums.
Yeah i can get behind this. As i have a similar theory that Yukari Yakumo is an Avatar of Yog-Sothoth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth)
Basically Yog-Sothoth is the outer god of time and space, he/it(?) is paradoxically called the "Gate and the Key", it is also referred to as being the "All-in-One and One-in-All", it is coterminous over the universe. But at the same time is locked out of it.
Since Yukari moderates the border between Gensokyo and the Outside World, it would not be too hard to make an connection between her power to control the borders and Yog-Sothoth's reign over all of space and time. Also their names both start with the letter Y. However it is somewhat dampened by how Yog is locked outside of the universe, but that be easily explained by assuming that Yukari is an entity that was once part of yog-sothoth, But then split off for what ever reason.
Actually ,let Fightest, a very smart user who sadly disappeared one day for no reason, explain it for me:
I'd have an easier time fitting her to Yog-Sothoth, the Gate and the Key, who is present everywhere and serves as a conduit for all energy in the universe, much like Yukari and her ability to go anywhere, and tendency to take things with her - she is, from what I can recall, the main reason for unusual things appearing in Gensokyo.
So yeah, i can get behind Mystia being an herald of Azathoth.
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Also their names both start with the letter Y.
That's kinda stretching it. Yukari's name started with the kanji "Ya" (or "Yukari", depending on which naming system you use).
Other than that, I have no word.
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True.
Forget I said it then.
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http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/47742864.html
A little too busy to give a full translation, but the gist of it is someone found a connection between the ancient Fujiwara clan and the Usami family.
In addition to possibly explaining why Mokou and Sumireko get along so well, it also places Renko's comment in Magical Astronomy about willingly taking an immortality elixir in a new light.
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this is actually completely ridiculous
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no u
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shit
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Hong Meiling, with her red hair and light-blue eyes, actually looks similar to the Tarim Mummies and how the people known today as "Tocharians" are said to have looked. Perhaps she is related in some ways to these people.
Achi (Fire) Cirno isn't the opposite of Cirno. I would think that since ice is water in a solid form, then her opposite would either be Mizu Cirno or a hypothetical Steam Cirno or even Plasma Cirno.
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Anticirno would be composed of any or all of the following: cured meats, olives, peperoncini, mushrooms, anchovies, artichoke hearts, various cheeses (such as provolone or mozzarella), pickled meats, vegetables in oil or vinegar. You would face her before facing Cirno, traditionally.
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I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
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I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
Just the outfit, or include the characteristic of the person itself? e.g. nue wing
If just outfit then, they would have easier time blending in compared the other :
Aya, i guess?
Yuuka Kazami
Raiko
Murasa
Reisen
Daiyousei
Koakuma
Waggyhime on wheelchair & cover her leg
Rumia
Akkyu
Nitori (When it's Rainstorm.......)
Mystia & Kyouko in choujuu gigaku outfit
And Hecatia (lol)
At least people wont think they're cosplaying weird, and just dressing up. This also if they hide their "Otherwordly" characteristic e.g. Aya ear, Mystia wing, Yuuka green hair
Otherwise it would be Murasa & Rumia
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Meiling and Sakuya could as well.
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I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
I'm going to say Marisa in one of her outfits from WaHH. She doesn't even wear a witch hat all the time.
Yukari had that one summer dress in WaHH too. The hat is still a little strange, but not as much as Marisa's.
Reisen would draw attention mainly for her hair and ears, but she'd know to hide those anyway.
Saying Sumireko is cheating, right?
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Aya would do quite well (http://www.zerochan.net/1977855).
In fact I'm pretty sure any human-looking Gensokyan who doesn't have horns, a long tail, giant wings or whatever could put on some standard Abercrombie and blend right in in the west anyway.
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Heck, smart wardrobe choices would allow for the most of the rest.
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Aya would do quite well (http://www.zerochan.net/1977855).
In fact I'm pretty sure any human-looking Gensokyan who doesn't have horns, a long tail, giant wings or whatever could put on some standard Abercrombie and blend right in in the west anyway.
I'm pretty sure we were simply talking about costume design. IE: Which outfits would be considered the most normal in the outside world.
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Hm...Reimu should be barely pass as cosplay in the outside world. Kinda ironic that she's probably the most traditional Miko, in some sense. Tenshi and Iku should be able to pass too, as some sort of some rich guy's daughter and bodyguard, and Hijirin should also pass if she is in her MotoJesus mode...
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So, according to PoFV, Medicine is the true NEET.
My whole fandom experience is a lie :V
I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
Sumireko, Maribel and Renko.
Definitely Koishi, because subconscious hax lol.
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I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
Orin in her cat form. :V
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Orin in her cat form. :V
Two tails is pretty noticeable.
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I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
Most definitely Ran.
Hatate would work. Though the hat might look odd.
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I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
Hecatia, Yukari, Reisen (just add a hairband), and Alice.
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I want to ask: Of all the Touhou characters in various official outfit variants, who will make the least attention when taking a stroll at the Outside World?
Is it okay if I say PC-98 characters? :v Pretty sure Elly, Yuki, Chiyuri, Rika, Louise and Ellen would be fine :3
Shizuha, and Yatsuhashi could be as well. :derp:
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Is it okay if I say PC-98 characters? :v Pretty sure Elly, Yuki, Chiyuri, Rika, Louise and Ellen would be fine :3
Shizuha, and Yatsuhashi could be as well. :derp:
What about Orange though.
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SCoOW characters' profles. I'm taking it as truth even outside ZUN's direct comments since he supervised them, and IIRC one of the reasons he made others do them is because he realized his own were less...understandable.
Moon rabbits are youkai after all.
Yukari's powers confirmed to be a game-breaker (literally! :V). Not that most didn't realize it already, but now there isn't "Akyuu's bullshit" to blame anymore.
Tewi's luck-granting ability might be passive and not under her own control. Apparently, "we" are able to enter Eientei in IN because she gave us enough luck to do it.
I like this "new" way to look at shikigami. Also, the weakness to water seems to be specifically only Chen's deal, Ran as no such thing in her description.
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SCoOW characters' profles.
Where can I read these? Are they on the wiki? I feel like I'm "out of the loop."
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Where can I read these? Are they on the wiki? I feel like I'm "out of the loop."
Here (https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo).
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Tewi's luck-granting ability might be passive and not under her own control. Apparently, "we" are able to enter Eientei in IN because she gave us enough luck to do it.
I didn't get that impression when reading it. It was more like she was intentionally letting us in for her own purposes, even if she made a show of fighting us. Like Aya in MoF. The whole context of the paragraph was essentially that she's the one who's really in charge of everything that happens in Eientei and the bamboo forest.
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And really that's the gist that we get from other works like CiLR as well. People like to understate Tewi's importance as a character because she doesn't usually show up in any visible and significant way, and her fandom characterization is incredibly shallow, so it's good that recent stuff like this and WaHH have kind of tried to reestablish her position.
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At the request of her old friend Yuyuko, she weakened the border of the Netherworld in order to allow Yuyuko to gather spring from Gensokyo. And once the incident was over, she was again asked to redraw it
Is this really what the japanese original says? 'Cause it's a retcon, isn't it? Yukari's PCB profile only mentions Yuyuko asking her to close the hole, not open it; it kinda implied that Yuyuko herself had done it. PMiSS said it was Yukari's fault, yeah, but I think I remember asking this on the questions thread and we basically concluding that it was a case of Akyuu just blaming the most obvious culprit.
Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being. However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
...well now, isn't this some fascinating information that raises all sorts of questions.
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Is this really what the japanese original says? 'Cause it's a retcon, isn't it? Yukari's PCB profile only mentions Yuyuko asking her to close the hole, not open it; it kinda implied that Yuyuko herself had done it. PMiSS said it was Yukari's fault, yeah, but I think I remember asking this on the questions thread and we basically concluding that it was a case of Akyuu just blaming the most obvious culprit.
Actually it was Reimu who broke it. Her power is breaking barriers after all.
...well now, isn't this some fascinating information that raises all sorts of questions.
Yes, it is indeed very interesting. I wonder what would happen if the fox woke up.
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Is this really what the japanese original says? 'Cause it's a retcon, isn't it? Yukari's PCB profile only mentions Yuyuko asking her to close the hole, not open it; it kinda implied that Yuyuko herself had done it. PMiSS said it was Yukari's fault, yeah, but I think I remember asking this on the questions thread and we basically concluding that it was a case of Akyuu just blaming the most obvious culprit.
It's likely that the writer's basically just citing PMiSS as a factual source. The thing about how shikigami work is also something you might take away from reading the PMiSS article on Chen.
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1: Shikigami aren't a particular class of youkai, but is more like a software that are put on them. When this software runs, we write that here as being "possessed".
kind of plainly writes it out, really
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......So its just another thing that the fandom once again stupidly ignored due to its basis against Akyuu.
The Touhou Fandoms gonna be the Touhou Fandom i guess.
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Whoops, i have mixed up the post with another Miscellaneous Questions thread.
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......So its just another thing that the fandom once again stupidly ignored due to its basis against Akyuu.
The Touhou Fandoms gonna be the Touhou Fandom i guess.
Not entirely, I for one completely forgot about this aspect until it was reintroduced in SCoOW. It wasn't strictly new information and I remember where I had heard this kind of stuff before (even if I hadn't, it's well in line with how ZUN interprets shikigami anyways), but I was still surprised and probably would have made some mistakes if you had asked me about it beforehand. I don't think this was one of the cases where it was something actually well-established that people just ignored, since this point about shikigami was never really expanded upon much anywhere.
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Actually it was Reimu who broke it. Her power is breaking barriers after all.
Er, no? Why would Reimu break the barrier between the Netherworld and Gensokyo? Yuyuko asked Yukari to do it so she could steal spring. Reimu had nothing to do with this.
It's likely that the writer's basically just citing PMiSS as a factual source.
Yeah, but I imagine that ZUN had to read and approve the text, no?
kind of plainly writes it out, really
I remembered this line, but I always interpreted it as being that a shikigami was like installing a third party software that allowed the master to empower the servant (the "possessing" being the fact that the shikigami had to follow the exact orders of its master so it's like the master possessed the shikigami), not that a shikigami is basically an AI that takes control over the body it's inhabiting and is an entirely different creature .
Re-reading it in this new light makes the original meaning really obvious, though, and it makes way more sense than what I was interpreting.
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Er, no? Why would Reimu break the barrier between the Netherworld and Gensokyo? Yuyuko asked Yukari to do it so she could steal spring. Reimu had nothing to do with this.
The idea behind that theory is that you broke it in-game in the process of moving from stage 4 to stage 5. IE: Reimu encounters that giant door and busts it open, thereby leaving the Netherworld border with a broken door. The problem with this is that it doesn't really explain how Youmu was able to steal spring from Gensokyo in the first place.
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Well, Sakuya flew over it, so I imagine Youmu could too.
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Well, Sakuya flew over it, so I imagine Youmu could too.
Yukari's profile says she was asked by Yuyuko to repair the netherworld border after Yuyuko weakened it (although i suppose it doesn't necessarily mean Yuyuko did it personally with her "hands", so it doesn't exclude Yukari doing it). So my theory is that people could fly over the big door in stage 4 only after the border was already weak, then Reimu passed by and completley opened it while the other two flied above.
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I always figured that the giant sky door being there at all was what it meant for the border between the places to have been weakened, tbh
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Er, no? Why would Reimu break the barrier between the Netherworld and Gensokyo? Yuyuko asked Yukari to do it so she could steal spring. Reimu had nothing to do with this.
She did it on accident.
And she's fucking Reimu. What did you except from her? Not being a grumpy piece of shit?
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She did it on accident.
And she's fucking Reimu. What did you except from her? Not being a grumpy piece of shit?
Still doesn't make sense. Spring was being stolen way before Reimu went to the Netherworld, and it's outright stated Yuyuko is responsible for opening the hole between the places (by asking Yukari or by herself, doesn't matter). Reimu could've at best made it worse, but that isn't really discussed anywhere in canon, is it?
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Well here's my take on the matter.
The barrier was weakened well before Reimu did anything. When Reimu showed up she broke the barrier completely to go by.
In the conversation between Youmu and Reimu, Reimu had said that the barrier opened quite easily...or at least imploed that. She acted as if she didn't have to make muh of an effort to open it at all.
When Marisa approached the barrier she was amazed by how strong the barrier was. Marisa isn't stupid, she knows a lot, and if she said it was a really strong barrier then it must have been.
And that was when the barrier was already weakened.
If the barrier was never weakened to begin with would Reimu be able to break through with no effort as she implies?
I think not.
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If the barrier was never weakened to begin with would Reimu be able to break through with no effort as she implies?
I think not.
One of the chapters of Forbidden Scrollery demonstrates that Reimu knows a "cheat" technique to immediately unbind any seal. I think that scene is more meant to demonstrate Reimu's overwhelming talent in certain fields, especially in comparison to Marisa.
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One of the chapters of Forbidden Scrollery demonstrates that Reimu knows a "cheat" technique to immediately unbind any seal. I think that scene is more meant to demonstrate Reimu's overwhelming talent in certain fields, especially in comparison to Marisa.
Well.....
I haven't read that yet.
Even so, to break the barrier before the incident happened, Reimu would have to know that the barrier exists.
It didn't seem like she know about it until stage 4 PCB
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I'm imagining an elderly person telling touhou stories as fairy tales in storytelling style
like,
"Once upon a time there's a girl who lives in a very big mansion, she really want to go play outside but unable to because of her physical circumstance........"
"............and she ended up got beaten to a pulp down to the floor by the intruder in her mansion. The girl got rob of her happiness, but everyone else now lives in more harmony. The End"
or
"Once upon a time there's a tiger and a mouse, they are on a journey to find something that can save their friend. The tiger were too prideful to let others know it's blunder, so to hide it the tiger make use of the mouse companion to do the labor. And the tiger able to retain it's respectful appearance because of help from the mouse."
"Once upon a time there's a woman who lives happily with her husband and son, but one day the son was murdered and the mother driven into becoming a terrorist with the help of her friend who is a triple agent and her underling who looks like an arsonist."
"Ice fairy who likes to freeze frogs and got punished by the goddess of frogs"
"A modern young girl who got cut off from electricity and steadily losing common sense"
"Demon rabbit who sells medicine which occasionally mixed in with shady drug."
"A half-ghost who is afraid of ghost."
"Red-green spinning thing by the foot of a mountain."
"Woman in a gap who like to peep on people in secrecy."
"A girl who sell antidote to the people she poisoned"
"A slacking ferryman and stray spirits"
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We all know that Mokou dies a lot in her IN duel with the heroines, and there's some discussion regarding as to why.
After replaying ULL a bit, another possible explanation occured me.
In ULL, one of her attacks is to kill herself in a burst of fire. This attack is one that needs to be used with some regularity so that she can regenerate the damage that her own attacks cause her.
Couldn't this also be the case for her IN fight? She'd kill herself after each spellcard so she could go back to fighting with a less battered body.
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I'm imagining an elderly person telling touhou stories as fairy tales in storytelling style
I think that was intentional on ZUN's part.
"Once upon a time there's a woman who lives happily with her husband and son, but one day the son was murdered and the mother driven into becoming a terrorist with the help of her friend who is a triple agent and her underling who looks like an arsonist."
......Um, i don't think "terrorist" and "triple agent" are words that would be used in fairy tales?
Also, you would like this:
http://vgperson.com/junyaseuss.htm
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We all know that Mokou dies a lot in her IN duel with the heroines, and there's some discussion regarding as to why.
After replaying ULL a bit, another possible explanation occured me.
In ULL, one of her attacks is to kill herself in a burst of fire. This attack is one that needs to be used with some regularity so that she can regenerate the damage that her own attacks cause her.
Couldn't this also be the case for her IN fight? She'd kill herself after each spellcard so she could go back to fighting with a less battered body.
It's more like she burns herself to ash for each spellcard, rather than doing some special move between them. Ultimately, her body is still as fragile as a human's, and she's pushing it past its limit.
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It's more like she burns herself to ash for each spellcard, rather than doing some special move between them. Ultimately, her body is still as fragile as a human's, and she's pushing it past its limit.
That would explain why she still dies even when her's spellcards are timed out
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One of the chapters of Forbidden Scrollery demonstrates that Reimu knows a "cheat" technique to immediately unbind any seal. I think that scene is more meant to demonstrate Reimu's overwhelming talent in certain fields, especially in comparison to Marisa.
It was also implied by Patchouli in the Oriental Sacred Place manga when Marisa took some books for free stealed some books of the library and asked Reimu for help unsealing them. When Patchouli arrived at the scene of crime and retrieved the books, she was very surpired to see they were able to open one and remarked the fact she didn' have the knowledge to open it herself.
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......Um, i don't think "terrorist" and "triple agent" are words that would be used in fairy tales?
Stop making sense, like you dont know that place....
anyway, i was expecting people to retort more on the arsonist and half-ghost part....
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Latest CoLA: an incoming "destructive wave coming using the power of the occult". The starting point for Reisen's ULiL scenario? In that case it actually opens the possibility of a new final boss character.
Edit: unless it only means she predicted the lunarian probe and LoLK incident.
FS 43: loved Reimu's imagination and Marisa's trick. Yukari and Mamizou you can do better :V
WaHH 35 (untranslated): Yukari actually doing something again. Also, looks like someone disappeared from the village and Sumireko has something to do with it (unwillingly?). That immaginary Remilia too :P
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Hakurei Reimu
Hakureimu
Haku Reimu
Hacker Reimu
HAX Sign "Hakurei God" confirmed
I guess this is just a side effect of language barriers.
Koishi's definitely one of my favourite characters.
I mean,
(http://i.imgur.com/qc3q9SL.png)
Can we make this a meme?
On a more serious note though, any bullet spam looks the same to me. I'm glad ZUN took the time to give Koishi and some other characters some really unique patterns.
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Reading the ongoing-translation unabaraXZUN interview in SCoOW.
Apparently, Rumia was also one of ZUN's candidates for Hisoutensoku, something that never came out until now, i think (I only knew about Nitori, Wriggle, Kaguya, and Mokou being scrapped). Also, Kaguya seems inappropriate for a fighter anyway.
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Sakuya lives in gensoukyo, says she's atheist, either she's trolling or being a fuckin Izayoi.
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Sakuya lives in gensoukyo, says she's atheist, either she's trolling or being a fuckin Izayoi.
I believe that she said that before the Moriya Shrine gods arrived.
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I believe that she said that before the Moriya Shrine gods arrived.
She says it again in WaHH 35, which is fairly recent.
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Sakuya lives in gensoukyo, says she's atheist, either she's trolling or being a fuckin Izayoi.
Being an Atheist doesn't = not believing in gods.
It could also mean that she refuses to worship gods.
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Being an Atheist doesn't = not believing in gods.
It could also mean that she refuses to worship gods.
That would be an apatheist (for disinterest) or a misotheist (for active dislike).
But when someone who's met gods calls themselves an atheist, it's clear they don't mean it literally.
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Yeah, Sakuya was probably just talking about how she doesn't really care about them, probably because she already has a master.
As I was going through the ZUN/Iruka interview on the wiki to check the translation, I thought it was pretty cool how ZUN specifically added more tsukumogami specifically to segue into the whole urban legend deal. I'm not sure what he meant when he said he doesn't know what the future holds but still has stuff mapped out way in advance. Maybe it's like a branching path that he chooses depending on how some game or story is received?
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For what it's worth, she uses the word 無神論者in WaHH 35. The full sentence, in response to being asked about 神隠し, is: 無神論者なのでそういう話はちょっと
It's clearly a joke.
The response to that is: 神隠しって天岩戸の話じゃないわよ。判っていると思うけど。
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Hm, the ongoing translation for EoSD cross review looks really different from Clarste's one. In the old one, it looks like Marisa likes Rumia and her ability in some way, while now she's basically mocking her for making it easier to see danmaku.
I don't know what to believe in anymore!
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That was a rough translation, ie: off the top of my head. I would probably trust the later ones unless it's blatantly bad.
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Maybe my phrasing made it come off as slightly snarky but I don't think any of her appraisals are really sarcastic.
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Sakuya lives in gensoukyo, says she's atheist, either she's trolling or being a fuckin Izayoi.
no, i mean, make me think how does she even see those Moriya as? just another apparition on the road side with divine power or something like that? & who does she think has brought her fly to space? that Izayoinggggg
look who's talking
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I remember reading somewhere that Reimu could possibly be the god of her own shrine but she doesn't know it/forgot/keeps it a secret. Also another one where Yukari is the Hakurei god considering her close relationship with the shrine.
Doesn't seem plausible with Reimu, but Yukari could certainly be a possibility....
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Perhaps this is something that can be dismissed in some sort of way (maybe it was brought up already?) but according to the Touhou books, one of the laws of Gensokyo is that humans and youkai are enemies as it is necessary for it's balance, or at least when it's related to the relationship human villagers have with the youkai.
One thing that came to my mind a while ago is that, technically, would anything change if somehow and for some reason humans and youkai started living together and it became an everyday occurrence sort of thing? One could be inclined to say "yes" but one recurring thing that keeps popping all the time whether it's in real life or fiction is that regardless of how people can get along, there's always going to be, at the very least a few that'll think and feel otherwise. So yes, basically, what I'm saying is that if both humans and youkai lived together, wouldn't racism and the fear of the different and the unknown mean that the cycle to balance Gensokyo end up still be maintained anyway? This is true for youkai after all too in the sense that there's always going to be some who'll laugh and be disgusted at the thought of living in peace and harmony with humans.
Obviously this isn't something that'll happen in Touhou even if it happened to be true since there probably wouldn't be any story but I'm curious about whether that line of thought is right, wrong or possible.
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Perhaps this is something that can be dismissed in some sort of way (maybe it was brought up already?) but according to the Touhou books, one of the laws of Gensokyo is that humans and youkai are enemies as it is necessary for it's balance, or at least when it's related to the relationship human villagers have with the youkai.
One thing that came to my mind a while ago is that, technically, would anything change if somehow and for some reason humans and youkai started living together and it became an everyday occurrence sort of thing? One could be inclined to say "yes" but one recurring thing that keeps popping all the time whether it's in real life or fiction is that regardless of how people can get along, there's always going to be, at the very least a few that'll think and feel otherwise. So yes, basically, what I'm saying is that if both humans and youkai lived together, wouldn't racism and the fear of the different and the unknown mean that the cycle to balance Gensokyo end up still be maintained anyway? This is true for youkai after all too in the sense that there's always going to be some who'll laugh and be disgusted at the thought of living in peace and harmony with humans.
Obviously this isn't something that'll happen in Touhou even if it happened to be true since there probably wouldn't be any story but I'm curious about whether that line of thought is right, wrong or possible.
The thing is, youkai actually need that fear to survive. If people stopped fearing youkai, they would cease to exist. That's the whole reason Gensokyo was created. It's essentially a Human-ranch for youkai to get the fear they need. Which is why, as revealed in the latest chapter of FS, the youkai are actually secretly doing everything in their power to keep the humans healthy and comfortable. And Akyu probably knows this too: if humans stopped fearing youkai, then the youkai of Gensokyo would have no more reason to keep them safe. It's not just racism, the segregation is metaphysically necessary for the continued existence of Gensokyo.
In other words, the people who are most sympathetic to other side are also the ones trying to perpetuate this. Even Keine, the half-human half-youkai who's caught in the middle, supports the antagonism.
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The thing is, youkai actually need that fear to survive. If people stopped fearing youkai, they would cease to exist. That's the whole reason Gensokyo was created. It's essentially a Human-ranch for youkai to get the fear they need. Which is why, as revealed in the latest chapter of FS, the youkai are actually secretly doing everything in their power to keep the humans healthy and comfortable. And Akyu probably knows this too: if humans stopped fearing youkai, then the youkai of Gensokyo would have no more reason to keep them safe. It's not just racism, the segregation is metaphysically necessary for the continued existence of Gensokyo.
In other words, the people who are most sympathetic to other side are also the ones trying to perpetuate this. Even Keine, the half-human half-youkai who's caught in the middle, supports the antagonism.
Segregation in Gensokyo is a topic I find rather interesting in Touhou. The residents of the humans villages looks perfectly capable of being deadly afraid of the youkai but there's other cases that makes me wish to understand the situation a little better. I don't believe it's inconsistencies but we have many, many instances of youkai and human villagers partaking in activities together such as the festivals at the shrine (or the one hundred ghost stories), entertainment brought by youkai such as the Manzairaku (?) shows held by the Kappa (although granted, Nitori claims kappa are allied with humans, which I assume might be related to business), Akyu ultimately shrugs off the situation about the young youkai, there's apparently (?) human disciples at the Myouren temple and the villagers are perfectly comfortable and fine with having the Zashiki-warashi in their households since they're benelovent spirits (granted, getting them out is considered bad fortune) among various other things.
I just feel it's interesting that despite these rules, there seem to be a certain level of flexibility shown.
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I think probably not all youkai need to work on terrorizing human individually, like youkai in Myouren Temple, just a portion of Youkai type attacking human & all other Youkai type would be filled the same as long as they got "youkai label". Also i think Byakuren already a magician youkai, cmiiw tho.
That's probably how with Zashiki-warashi, they get filled just with humans fear any youkai. or another guess, she probably get the fear from human "fearing not having them in their house". i thought spirit don't work like youkai but there's spirit-like-youkai, Letty.
Nue probably example, she don't need people to fear her very self specifically, she just need them to fear any of the unidentified. tho she's like an embodiment of unidentified itself.
Some might don't need an exactly terror, Kogasa with surprise for example. tho surprise are kind of variant of fear i guess.
Patchoulli also, she doesn't seem to be attacking human. or magician youkai are exception.
The Oni's in the underground mostly still holing themselves up.
And Koishi are like incapable of scaring humans at her current state.
Yuuka seems feared enough (or somehow menacing i guess), yet Shiki tell her to terrorize human more. I think of course Yuuka get enough fear otherwise she won't be where she is now. Letty also only appear in winter & only in Gensoukyo, she got less active time than a bear.
And since some of the youkai are just pretty, like Letty, there's also the fear of getting rejected on your love confession, i'm just kidding.
With that, i think Byakuren want human & youkai to coexist peacefully could be possible, but with one last ultra mega legendary nasty grand extra secret boss SSR+ youkai Yukarin being the wild & uncontrollable putting terror to all human & youkai alike, sole enemy of all Gensoukyo. Thus drama about racism between Youkai & Human.
dbag of human man : "Why you tidy up my working desk!? FOR FUCK SAKE YOU YOUKAI!!!"
Yokina the yuki onna : "*hiks *hiks, you have changed, you said youkai doesn't matter in that snowy night *hiks"
About ghost stories events, probably they're not aware of the Youkai there or not smart, also Reimu are there so they probably being cocky or something. but yeah the youkai who are there are just like pretty young girl ain't they? except Yukarin.
Nitori & the kappa give me impression they're more like want to be favored by human but still by being considered superior.
By the way, i didn't know there was a tap water in gensoukyo.
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Hey, they're ancient, not savage :). Tap water (along with water and sewage system) is a wonder of technology regardless of time period.
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I thought they would be more like pump water.
not like i know some power source are needed to operate the water system
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If I recall correctly, Byakuren's trying to find a way for youkai to survive without fear via budhism (was it mentioned in SoPM? I forget) but currently it's implied they subsist by doing youkai things behind Byakuren's back (though Byakuren's implied to be purposefully ignoring that) or ended up getting alternate methods of having humans fear them (like Kyouko Kasodani, as explicitly pointed out in her profile when she was first introduced in Ten Desires)
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If I recall correctly, Byakuren's trying to find a way for youkai to survive without fear via budhism (was it mentioned in SoPM? I forget) but currently it's implied they subsist by doing youkai things behind Byakuren's back (though Byakuren's implied to be purposefully ignoring that) or ended up getting alternate methods of having humans fear them (like Kyouko Kasodani, as explicitly pointed out in her profile when she was first introduced in Ten Desires)
Byakuren's case is another rather interesting thing IMO. I guess it's very possible that she's ignoring what's going on around her on purpose but some of her actions and dialogue bits sometime makes her come off as... clueless? I imagine it could be also possible that she's completely ignorant about it too mainly because the reputation of the temple could be hurt if people found out that her disciples caused too many problems.
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I'm pretty sure Byakuren is meant to come off as well-meaning but clueless. It's also worth noting that, of the three religions discussed in Touhou, Buddhism is the one most concerned with accepting the inevitability of your own death. A good Buddhist is supposed to accept death as a natural and even good thing (which is why Byakuren's backstory is so ironic), so it follows that a youkai who is fully converted to Buddhism is simply one that accepts their own death and eventual reincarnation. It's not about finding a new way to live, it's about finding an acceptable way to die.
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I almost never notice such a similarity between buddhism and Absurdism... I think what Byakuren is trying to do is to give Youkai some acceptance and "to laugh at the worthlessness of life" thing Absurdism speak about. That way (she think) Youkai won't have to keep brooding all the time about what's their purpose when that have been taken away from them, since Youkai could exist just by living in that place.
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IDK if it belongs here, but i just found a image that PERFECTLY describes raymoo's personality in the different touhou mangas on clarstes' tumblr.
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/cc63ed73b412ac51d3dd0514067f6ab2/tumblr_inline_ofppbsmaA71s6vzc7_500.png)
TL;DR: Raymoo is dumb and violent.
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Sounds about right. :3
I like that Sangetsusei's version basically translates to wanting to get those darn kids off her lawn. Can't drink that tea with all these whippersnappers trying to pull some wacky antics! Gosh darnit!
FS Reimu did nothing wrong. :V ... except whenever she jumps to conclusions. Those silly tengu are definitely up to no good! They're for the birds!
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reimu always jumps to conclusions and often is right just because she's reimu
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She's become less right nowaday though. Fail to guess the plot of a mystery novel, fail to catch Kasen,... It's look like she's prettty stressed out to be carefree.
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Well, kind of the point of the A-types is that their tools have been slowly turning into tsukumogami due to the Mallet's magic. The magic corrupted them, and by using them it slowly corrupted the player as well, hence why they were all bloodthirsty. That's all it's referring to.
The above post in the Questions thread makes me wonder if any artist has recognized the fact that the A shots are getting their weapons turned into tsukumogami. It would be interesting to see a doujin with these humanized weapons.
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reimu always jumps to conclusions and often is right just because she's reimu
I have a theory about this.
If you were, say, a police detective, and the incidents were crimes, you would likely start regarding it as very suspicious that this one person gets these hunches out of the blue that turn out to be right. I think Reimu, with all the pressure that's on her, has learned to deal with the stress by disassociation. We see one side of her; the dutiful protagonist who, while not crazy about having to handle incidents, does her job because it's her job. The Reimu we don't see, however, is the one who works behind the scenes to make the incidents happen in the first place. Why? Because otherwise she'd be sweeping leaves every day and little else. Reimu is unaware of this side to her, though, which is why she always acts so annoyed by the incidents she causes, even though her hidden side instigates them to break up the monotony of her daily life.
This is all pure conjecture with zero evidence to back it up. I'm just saying: if I were a cop, I'd be taking a real close look at Reimu.
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I would think of it as an interesting theory, if it weren't for the fact that in order for it to work, she must be able to riled up the vamp, causing fear to the Alien, planting discord into the Lunarian for the second Genso-Luna war, and pretty much thousand others that would make her a second Yukari.
...And then I found it even more interesting, damn it.
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From what I understand, Reimu's intuition is just a part of her natural abilities. Something about being one with the universe or something. The same way her homing amulets move in a straight line from her perspective, and she's just moving in one direction when she teleports.
And to some degree, her faked displeasure from incidents is canon. Youkai have to cause fear to exist, which is why Gensokyo is a thing. The whole point of the spell card rules is "youkai cause an incident to cause fear, human solves it, but no one gets hurt this way". If Reimu didn't solve incidents the balance would be upset and Gensokyo would collapse. And Reimu's shown more than once to care a lot about the balance in Gensokyo. (Though her indirectly being the starter of individual incidents maybe not so much)
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Speaking of youkai and their need of human fear. I just think of a simple horrifying plot.
Suppose that some youkai had found a way to recreate Hourai Elixir without Kaguya's and Eirin's ability. Then, they captured several humans from the human village and imbued them with the elixir, making them unable to die. Now, even if the humans are immortal, they are still helpless against youkai. However, for youkai, immortal humans are essentially their free food supply of fear since youkai need humans alive in order for them to exist. Now, they can scare or even kill the humans without consequences since they will revive anyway. Then, the same youkai started to make a deal between several other youkai, promising them a free endless source of fear. Thus, many youkai joined them, breaking the whole spell card rules.
That would make an interesting plot if this was Canon.
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It would probably backfire horribly. Not being able to die would mean that after you get killed a few times, you realize they can't do anything more and you stop caring (look at Mokou). Heck, since hourai people can create a body wherever and whenever they want, you can't even trap them. This would make humans stop fearing anything, especially if they start learning various magic to fight back.
Edit: oN the other hand, it would work perfectly for gods, or youkai that only need belief (fairies, probably magicians, tsukumogami)
I wonder what happens if the youkai used the elixir instead? Their souls (which is their core) would be eternal, meaning they'd keep existing with no need of human fear.
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Why wouldn't the youkai just use the elixir on themselves and skip out the middleman, if they're gonna game the system?
(Which all presupposes they can make one, which is sort of like presupposing that Doric Era Greece go throw together a fusion reactor)
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Eirin would reverse engineer a anti-hourai elixir to take their immortality away.
Bam, mystery solved.
And if your wondering why she doesn't do this on Mokou, that's because Kaguya would be too bored without an rival to fight.
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Eirin took the elixir herself too though. And she herself killed Lunarian emissaries to help Kaguya escape. I don't think she personally has any ideological beliefs whatsoever. She's more like a mad scientist who does things simply to prove that she can. Tsukuyomi wanted to live in a world free of kegare, so she helped him get the moon. Kaguya wanted to see an elixir of immortality, so she made one for her. Kaguya wants to live on Earth, a world full of kegare, and Eirin makes that happen.
I mean, she clearly feels guilt towards Kaguya or she never would have done any of this in the first place, but you have to remember that Eirin is a fugitive from the moon, and for good reason. You can't really use her as an example of how the standard Lunarian thinks. Heck, even just based on your own arugment just now, Eirin's the one who wanted to kill Urashima Taro to protect the secrecy of the moon (ie: kill to live; the Watatsukis wanted to send him back alive). Eirin's kind of... a sociopath.
I saw that in the question topic and I couldn't help but think Eirin's mindset behind these actions but mainly through a different point of view. Would someone like that even allow Urashima Taro to get a chance to die a fulfilling death? He's just a human from an impure world after all so it could be more or less seen as an act of compassion. If she had no loyalty to the Watatsuki sisters, wouldn't she make the knowledge of what happened known? It's also hard in term of a different viewpoint to see Eirin's murder of the emissaries as an unjust thing seeing how Kaguya wanted to stay on Earth. While Eirin having the traits of a mad scientist is something that can't really be argued which means she could genuinely be doing this for the sake of SCIENCE(!) while also be sorry for what happened to Kaguya, a lot of her actions throughout the series seems to paint her as a kind character for the most part.
Reisen's treatment is a bit hard to take fully seriously when it's been almost (if not always, even in FS) shown exclusively in a comedic way. It's obvious she gets punished but Reisen's actions that leads to this tends to be comical too and the rabbit has her moments where she's full of herself. As brought up before too, there's the whole thing about her name. Reading it again really makes it feel like it can be taken under different/multiple interpretations unless it's one of those mistranslation sort of thing. Eirin's actions seems to paint her as a mad scientist and a harsh teacher but she seems to show a lot of kindness too.
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There's this really odd thing that I always forget about when fighting Alice in PCB. Right after her first spellcard she just... fires a sort-of-nonspell but then instantly clears it (before the bullets even reach you!) and goes straight for her second spellcard.
Did ZUN ever comment on that particular thing anyway? Is it some sort of bug or just some fancy pre-spellcard intro, I wonder.
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IIRC, there was originally a nonspell there in the demo, but it sucked so much that it was scrapped in the full game. I don't know why ZUN didn't scrap the entire thing- maybe to keep the music synchronized?
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Music can never be synchronized in the boss fight, though. Killing speeds are always different.
Besides, the non-spell after it uses that exact same attack at some point.
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I saw that in the question topic and I couldn't help but think Eirin's mindset behind these actions but mainly through a different point of view. Would someone like that even allow Urashima Taro to get a chance to die a fulfilling death? He's just a human from an impure world after all so it could be more or less seen as an act of compassion. If she had no loyalty to the Watatsuki sisters, wouldn't she make the knowledge of what happened known? It's also hard in term of a different viewpoint to see Eirin's murder of the emissaries as an unjust thing seeing how Kaguya wanted to stay on Earth. While Eirin having the traits of a mad scientist is something that can't really be argued which means she could genuinely be doing this for the sake of SCIENCE(!) while also be sorry for what happened to Kaguya, a lot of her actions throughout the series seems to paint her as a kind character for the most part.
Reisen's treatment is a bit hard to take fully seriously when it's been almost (if not always, even in FS) shown exclusively in a comedic way. It's obvious she gets punished but Reisen's actions that leads to this tends to be comical too and the rabbit has her moments where she's full of herself. As brought up before too, there's the whole thing about her name. Reading it again really makes it feel like it can be taken under different/multiple interpretations unless it's one of those mistranslation sort of thing. Eirin's actions seems to paint her as a mad scientist and a harsh teacher but she seems to show a lot of kindness too.
I would say she has a "tribal" mindset where she truly cares for those close to her, but wouldn't even bat an eye at hurting or killing anyone who isn't. It's not that she can't be close to people, but that she has no concept or mercy or compassion for strangers. She's not a sadist, she's just coldhearted. I mean, she let Urashima Taro go alive (and it wasn't a fufilling life, btw, she took his whole family and life away from him by putting him back in the future) simply because Toyohime asked her to. It wasn't a mercy towards him, it was yet again just a clever way of fulfilling someone else's request. Which, as I said, is the same way she seems to treat founding the Lunar Capital for Tsukuyomi and creating the Hourai Elixir for Kaguya. She assigns no moral value to it whatsoever, it's just a challenge for her.
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OMG! Touhou was featured in Watchmojo's channel video titled "Top 10 Freakiest Video Game Children"
https://twitter.com/gensokyo_babes/status/815965222653620224
Touhou has hijacked Watchmojo channel! How did I not noticed this since October!?
"Flandre Scarlett" tho, and Touhou has officially ended in 2014, folks.
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I've been thinking recently about how Touhous would look as Furries.
I've decided on that Reimu would be a tan Shiba Inu.
It bugs me how she would look as shiba. Why? I barely can imagine her face, which means I can't draw her well as a dog.
<trump voice>Sad.</voice>
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So i read a theme called "Fantasia Immortal Cupbearer" is going to be in a new release. My first thought was about hourai immortals, then i searched "Immortal cupbearer" and learned about Ganymede made the "Immortal cupbearer" of the gods by Zeus. Probably overthinking it, but now with Hecatia already out i think it's legit to expect more greek stuff on the way.
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Speaking of Hourai Elixir, it's possible only on Marisa to actually damage Eirin while she's using [Hourai Elixir] spell card.
Someone tried to see whether it was possible to beat this spell card without time-out using this mechanism: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14753859
According to ZUN, this was intentional setup rather it being a bug: http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Yoyo/1736/t-091.html
So it leads me to think that other buggy gimmicks in the game are intentional as well, like Alice's non-spell that gets instantly cleared out.
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So i read a theme called "Fantasia Immortal Cupbearer" is going to be in a new release. My first thought was about hourai immortals, then i searched "Immortal cupbearer" and learned about Ganymede made the "Immortal cupbearer" of the gods by Zeus. Probably overthinking it, but now with Hecatia already out i think it's legit to expect more greek stuff on the way.
Oh GOD, NOT THE SERIAL RAPIST. If he there, he better be a cute girl to wash my tastebud, or get kicked in the ass by Heca-san
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So i read a theme called "Fantasia Immortal Cupbearer" is going to be in a new release.
Could you give more information about this, such as: Do you mean it's going to be in an official Touhou release? Something fanmade? Something other than Touhou? If you mean a new Touhou release, did you hear it from a reputable source or someplace like /jp/? (Sorry for so many questions; this sounds pretty interesting but your wording was kind of ambiguous)
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I can bet this is a kinda bad translation of 「仙酌絶唱のファンタジア (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29114292)」.
This is a pretty unique song celebrating Touhou's 20th anniversary and created for Hakurei Jinja Uta Matsuri (http://www.uta-matsuri.com/) 2016, a Reitaisai-sponsored live event where a bunch of different circles perform(ed). The song is a collab between Alstroemeria Records, A-One, Kishida Kyoudan & The Akeboshi Rockets (prev. Studio K2), COOL&CREATE, Buta-Otome, and Yuuhei Satellite; ZUN titled the song itself. It's present in a bunch of different rhythm games now.
In any case I'm not sure where such a rumor started but I believe it's referring to this somehow, but filtered through a series of errors.
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...A bit disappointed, but thank for the clarity. Glad that I don't have to see that mug though.
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Ah, nevermind then :v
Also, per ZUN's tweet, this time the usual nikenme radio is/was today rather than the end of the month, right?
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Yes, it was today. I don't think he mentioned anything important (judging by a simple sweep of Twitter) beyond confirming he will release something at Reitaisai and maybe at Comiket.
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Yes, it was today. I don't think he mentioned anything important (judging by a simple sweep of Twitter) beyond confirming he will release something at Reitaisai and maybe at Comiket.
Notably, given that back in November ZUN implied he was working on a new game, and given his usual ~four-month dev cycle, Reitaisai would be the expected time to release a demo (or perhaps the thing itself, if a side-game).
He also said more generally that this year he wants to do a bunch of different things.
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VFiS 5: Nice to see
Eiki and Komachi back after all this time (Komachi had it better with WaHH, tho)
. And Eirin's smugness is gold.
FS 47: Mamizou finally exposed. Maybe the focus will change to another youkai group after the tengu and the tanuki?
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The above was referring to the latest chapters of VFiS and HS btw,
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Is it just me, or do Reimu's hair ribbon look like cat ears when seen from a certain perspective?
I mean, I remember one occasion in a canon work where her ribbon drooped down as though they were ears...
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If anything it looks like a butterfly in pretty much every drawing of her by ZUN.
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Harukawa in particular is fond of making the ribbon express as thought they were ears. You aren't really imagining it.
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I'm guessing the Lunarians only care about manned lunar landings. The US isn't the only one to land something on the moon, just the only one to land someone there. The Soviets did it several times, mostly in the 50's and 70's.
The Chinese successfully soft-landed an unmanned lander (with a rover) a little over 3 years ago, with the next one currently in lunar orbit and due to make landfall this year.
And they're named Chang'e (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang%27e_3).
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Eirin talks about the Chang'e program in SSiB 2, which was released a few months before Chang'e 1 was launched. She carries the superstition that the Apollo missions "failed" because they were named after a god of the sun, but a space program named after Chang'e is much more intimidating. That being said, that's the last of what was mentioned about it; it was just something topical at the time.
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Now that I think about it, Yukari's been showing up a bit more as a side character lately (as opposed to more or less disappearing between UFO and DDC).
Being involved in various WaHH shenanigans, getting involved with Kosuzu, being in a LoLK ending.
I wonder if she'll make another major in game appearance sometime soon.
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I do wonder...what if all of the Touhou games to this day were to be like the first game?
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I do wonder...what if all of the Touhou games to this day were to be like the first game?
Then we would have successive versions of Jailbreak Gensokyo year after year.
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I remember stumbling upon a Danmakufu script on Youtube that is basically Embodiment of Scarlet Devil with the gameplay mechanics of Highly Responsive to Prayers...
Don't have the link, though.
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I remember stumbling upon a Danmakufu script on Youtube that is basically Embodiment of Scarlet Devil with the gameplay mechanics of Highly Responsive to Prayers...
Don't have the link, though.
This video (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18223250). There is a download link to the script in the descirption.
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Oh maaaan I remember LoLK was announced around the second half of April. I'm so excited we may be getting a new announcement in the new few days!!
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Oh maaaan I remember LoLK was announced around the second half of April. I'm so excited we may be getting a new announcement in the new few days!!
That doesn't mean that AoCF or TH16 is going to be announced in April, either. ISC's announcement was some time in early April, and we probably won't see any announcement until May/Reitaisai for 15.5 and 16.
So don't count on an announcement now.
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So randomish theories and ideas
Contents of dreams determine flavor.
Doremy can edit the dreams to make them taste better.
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The Geometry and contents of Dreamworld actually changes with the collective subconscious of those interacting with it.
Thus Whenever an Outsider is in Gensokyo It creates minor ripples but once they leave their influence fades. But when something like Sanae and the Moriya entered Gensokyo (and tied to Sumireko's method of entry) creates more ripples so the amount of objects that Doremy can encounter has increased.
This also creates a bit of a residue on other dreams. There may be representations of things that only could exist in the modern world of the Outside. Interestingly enough Marisa's one who shows such contamination and it may still be lingering after her encounter with the wandering dream soul (ref WaHH29) which shifted her dream out, Of course this means Reimu's dreamspace is contaminated by whatever Marisa's dream was at the time.
Doremy herself even mentions the fact of "seeing dreams about school legends" are something Marisa seems to still dream of and with Sumireko's dream that Marisa was dragged into may indicate the stronger ties
If anything it seems that Sumireko's entry by actively disrupting the realm of dreams by busting out her dreamspace is causing a rather unfortunate set of events in dreamworld.
Oddly enough there is comparisons to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series and The attempts of the C-Consciousness to manipulate the noosphere which created the Zone
While the parallel events seemed to have been (mostly) contained in Touhou, in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. it became manifest and those who have played it saw what happened in that game. It seems that really while LoLK's endgame was not 'resolving' the incident it may have resulted in a greater disaster than those who were involved in could think of.
No clue if this fully makes sense but it seems to make some sense to me. But it might be my mind connecting random things incorrectly.