~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 29, 2012, 07:28:10 AM
Title: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 29, 2012, 07:28:10 AM
The Afterlife War Front had finally caught a break, for once they could simply relax. Now its members enjoying a day of fishing at the nearby stream. Of course, despite their expectations to the contrary, what the Afterlife War Front was catching wasn't nearly enough to feed the lot of them and so Matsushita was sent back to get something to eat. This was two hours ago. "Geez, what's taking that idiot so long?" "Do you think something happened to him...?" "How foolish." "He's probably just eating everything by himself." "Alright then! Let's go beat up that fat bastard!" Unfortunately for the Afterlife War Front, what they found was not Matsushita gorging himself on their lunches. Instead, they were met with a rather gruesome scene in which Matsushita's lifeless body lay limp on a stairway. "Did he trip or something?" "How foolish." The Afterlife War Front turned their attention to one of their members, who had found a knife lodged in Matsushita's body. "Which one of you did this?" "You can't think that it was one of us, can you?" "It's not like there's anyone other than us here..." "..." Every member of the Afterlife War Front frowned as they observed each other, wild accusations about the identity of the murderer were thrown about, and the game had begun. Welcome to Angel Beats! Mafia.
Rules: 0) Whatever the mod says goes. In addition, these rules may be changed at any time. 1) You may not directly quote any communications with the moderator. Paraphrasing is allowed, but run it by the moderator first if you feel that it is too similar to the original content. 2) Play to win and have fun. 3) Days will last for 72 hours. Nights will last for 24. 4) Being prodded 3 times is grounds for a modkill. The first prod will be given after 24 hours of inactivity. Each prod you receive will reduce the amount of time you have before you receive another prod by 6 hours. 5) Use ##Vote: <Name> to vote. Minor variations will be accepted. 6) Use ##Unvote to unvote. Minor variations will be accepted. 7) Failure to reach a majority will result in no lynch occurring. 8) You may talk during twilight, though no votes may be moved during this time. Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip. 9) You may not talk during the night. 10) You may not speak to other playersanyone else about the game through private methods of communication unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity. 11) You may not edit your posts. Use edits by way of post if you must. 12) You may make one post that does not contain any game related information after dying within 24 hours of your death. This is the only exception that will allow you to talk at night. 13) Realize your worthlessness in comparison to the clothespin. (http://killicy.files.wordpress.com/2010/05...pin-wp1.png) 14) Apparently retards need a rule to post only from your main account. In case there is some confusion, your main account constitutes the one that you've signed up with. While we're at it, don't use code or otherwise attempt to hide the contents of your posts from the majority of the other players.
Still in the game:
Removed from the game: 0. Dormio - Matsushita, Judo Master(Vanilla Townie) murdered D0. 7. Omba - Takamatsu, Honor Student(Doctor) lynched D1. 12. Pesco - TK, Rapper(Vanilla Townie) murdered N1. 8. Shadoweh - Yui, GirlDeMo Vocalist(Vanilla Townie) lynched D2. 3. Lady Lambdadelta - Takeyama, Hacker Genius(Cop) murdered N2. 6. Kilgamayan - ?????, ?????(?????) disappeared N2. 5. NekoNekoRex - Fujimaki, Delinquient(Vanilla Townie) lynched D3. 9. Serela - Ōyama, Jack of All Trades(Vanilla Townie) murdered N3. 13. BT - Ayato Naoi, Student Council President(Vanilla Townie) lynched D4. 4. ActionDan - Noda, Idiot(Vanilla Townie) murdered N4. 1. Conqueror - Kanade Tachibana, Ex-Student Council President(Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lover) endgamed. 10. Affinity - Yuzuru Otonashi, the Main Character(Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lover) endgamed. 2. huh what - Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Action Immune Godmother) won the game. 11. DrRawrBardiche - Hideki Hinata, Co-founder of the Afterlife War Front(Jack of All Trades) won the game.
Modkilled: Nobody.
End of Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851986.html#msg851986) Start of Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852490.html#msg852490) End of Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg854147.html#msg854147) Start of Day 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg854536.html#msg854536) End of Day 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg855889.html#msg855889) Start of Day 4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg856313.html#msg856313) End of Day 4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg857857.html#msg857857) Endgame (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg857938.html#msg857938)
Quote from: Sample town PM
Welcome, Dormio, to Angel Beats! Mafia. You are Matsushita, Judo Master(Vanilla Townie). Skilled at martial arts, your size and strength tend to have you performing the role of a pack mule most of the time. Not that this discourages you, you're happy to help out the Afterlife War Front in any way you can. As of late, you've noticed some people within the Afterlife War Front acting rather strange. You're going to investigate this further when you get the chance...
Despite your bulk, you have no special abilities other than your words and your vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Pre-Confirmation
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 29, 2012, 07:29:24 AM
Role PMs are being sent outwill be sent out whenever I feel like it, please wait warmly.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: BT on June 29, 2012, 07:36:39 AM
Well, I made it to a confirmation stage.
I'm FIRST to a confirmation stage too.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Pre-Confirmation
Post by: ActionDan on June 29, 2012, 03:52:45 PM
waiting.
Also I'll be kinda V/LA for the weekend. maybe I'll be able to post a few one liners.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 30, 2012, 12:01:10 AM
Now that it's tomorrow, role PMs have been sent out! Post in thread to confirm that you have received your role PM.
Red are unconfirmed scum: 1. Conqueror 2. huh what 3. Lady Lambdadelta 4. ActionDan 5. NekoNekoRex 6. Kilgamayan 7. Omba 8. Shadoweh 9. Serela 10. Affinity 11. DrRawr 12. Pesco 13. BT
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Pre-Confirmation
Post by: Serela on June 30, 2012, 12:02:17 AM
Dormio you, you
NOT NICE PERSON >:C
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Pre-Confirmation
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on June 30, 2012, 12:02:53 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Omba on June 30, 2012, 12:10:36 AM
/confirm
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 30, 2012, 12:28:17 AM
What's with all this negativity?
Profirmed.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 30, 2012, 12:33:41 AM
confirmed
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Affinity on June 30, 2012, 12:53:42 AM
Serafirmed
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Shadoweh on June 30, 2012, 01:01:03 AM
Confirming here-nyan! Shadoweh is going to try her best! ^_^/
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Conqueror on June 30, 2012, 02:29:49 AM
Oh, so you invited me to this game? Sure, I'll play~
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 30, 2012, 02:38:20 AM
Conq your avatar freaks the fuck out of me
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: ActionDan on June 30, 2012, 02:51:09 AM
Confirm.
This role. Dormio I hate you.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Conqueror on June 30, 2012, 03:06:43 AM
(http://s19.postimage.org/m9ybnkt1v/068_celes_1_1.png) What's the matter, rawr? Are you nervous?
Dan has fallen into DESPAIR.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Serela on June 30, 2012, 03:10:35 AM
What the hell is with her HAIR.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 30, 2012, 03:42:11 AM
nyo
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: BT on June 30, 2012, 04:07:13 AM
True legit non-pre-confirmation confirmation post.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Shadoweh on June 30, 2012, 05:22:39 AM
Her hair is the best thing admit it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Pesco on June 30, 2012, 07:07:32 AM
I haven't read my role PM.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 30, 2012, 12:28:20 PM
Pesco, why are you claiming having a role PM? Scum don't need to know that information.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 30, 2012, 12:33:39 PM
Im pretty sure its a combination of having the hair, pale skin, and dem eyes that weirds me out
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Pesco on June 30, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
True I don't need to have such information. There's an unread message in my inbox and I know it's mafia related. Since I'm in the game, I know it must mean I'm town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Omba on June 30, 2012, 01:05:01 PM
> Modkilled D1 for not following posting restriction
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 30, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
Conq wtf is wrong with that hat?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: BT on June 30, 2012, 05:45:09 PM
Looks more like a crown to me.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Conqueror on June 30, 2012, 06:05:50 PM
How did the hipster burn his tongue? He drank his coffee before it was cool.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Lexicat on June 30, 2012, 07:36:16 PM
Hi
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on June 30, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
Pesco why haven't you posted in the scum PM yet??? I waited for you ;_;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on June 30, 2012, 09:04:26 PM
Quicktopic not PM I guess
whatever
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 30, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
And with all 13 members confirmed, it's time for the fun to begin.
You have ~72 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Conqueror on June 30, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 30, 2012, 10:47:47 PM
##Vote: Conq
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on June 30, 2012, 10:51:19 PM
##Vote: Conq
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on June 30, 2012, 10:58:17 PM
update the thread title modscum
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on June 30, 2012, 11:05:28 PM
Vote: Conq HOW DOES IT FEEEL
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on June 30, 2012, 11:13:52 PM
Come at me sis. ##Vig: Shadoweh 8)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on June 30, 2012, 11:17:36 PM
Scumbags can't hold the gun. :yukkuri:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on June 30, 2012, 11:22:19 PM
##Unvote ##Vote: Shadoweh (L-5)
Shadoweh is scummy for making an opportunistic wagon hop on Conqueror then trying to discredit his counterargument by calling him a "scumbag" without bothering to actually explain why Conq is scummy in the first place. It's a blatantly scummy tactic that subliminally paints Conq's content as bad in the eyes of the townies with no actual scumhunting or effort on Shadoweh's part. Lynch Shadoweh for a better tomorrow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 30, 2012, 11:27:25 PM
##Vote: Lady Lambdadelta/Taokaka/Whateva
I suspect I'll want to do this at some point this game, so I might as well get it out of the way now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 01, 2012, 12:20:29 AM
##Vote:Kilgamayan
I don't think I've ever voted him before. And who knows who long it will be before I get another chance?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 01, 2012, 12:21:18 AM
Serela did you forget about that time you helped me mislynch Kilga as radio buddies? ;_;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 01, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
This reminds me of that time Shadoweh cried because I insisted she hadn't been one of my buddies in Everyone Is Mafia mafia.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 01, 2012, 12:26:14 AM
k
you're probably Shadoweh's buddy for acknowledging her but ignoring my case on her
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 01, 2012, 12:31:24 AM
oh shit I almost forgot to obey my meta
##Unvote ##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 01, 2012, 12:52:47 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 01, 2012, 11:34:01 AM
##Confirm vote huhwhat Because :gut: And he was voted in a post with an awesome picture (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850332.html#msg850332), so my gut must be right.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 01, 2012, 01:30:31 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 01, 2012, 01:37:27 PM
Doubt it.
Omba, how do you :gut: during RVS?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 01, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
The RVS is the perfect time to let your gut roam wild. Even at this moment, while ten of us are playfully probing, there are three people hoping to slither between the cracks and pretend to be good natured. You got a problem with voting huh what, BT? @_@
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 01, 2012, 07:17:34 PM
Dormio, your votecounts are a travesty. huhwhat is counted as voting twice and Dan is missing.
Lies and/or slander.
##Unvote ##Vote: Kilga What did you mean by your initial vote on LLD?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 01, 2012, 07:37:37 PM
The RVS is the perfect time to let your gut roam wild. Even at this moment, while ten of us are playfully probing, there are three people hoping to slither between the cracks and pretend to be good natured. You got a problem with voting huh what, BT? @_@
Not really. I just have a different take on gut votes, I guess, since I usually base my gut feelings on posts that catch my interest. Seeing as there are barely any posts... You get the idea.
zzzzzzz
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 01, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I have no idea what's even going on anymore, much less what I can do to end RVS
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 01, 2012, 07:57:48 PM
Don't like negatively-provocative playstyles. Find antagonism inherently scummy (and find it generically uncomfortable and fun-ruining as a player). Always joke vote UK for same when we play together due to her history.
Latest huh what post word count is better.
##Unvote ##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Needlessly anxious. RVS will end when it does.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 01, 2012, 08:02:55 PM
And that's kind of what I was getting at. Although I'm not sure if it's over-justification or ~RVS~, which is why I was waiting for the reply.
Kilga, why is "anxious to end RVS" = scummy?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 01, 2012, 08:03:29 PM
(First part was meant to be right after HW's post)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 01, 2012, 08:08:04 PM
Empty pro-town anxious fluff. No one person ends RVS instantly (unless they're Bardiche). Prolonged RVS rarely, if ever, a problem.
Also anxious in asking about Yuyuko Doll. NNR not present for original game, sure, but no one reacting to an unfamiliar command on ED1 + pesco post + Occam's Razor = command was not serious.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 01, 2012, 08:08:50 PM
:Prolonged RVS rare, if ever, a problem" in the sense that I don't remember the last time I saw an abnormally long RVS.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 01, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
Well at least I ~indirectly~ did something to end RVS.
I was simply curious about the Yuyuko doll action, although thinking about it, it doesn't actually make sense in the context of the game, so I dismissed it shortly afterward.
I don't see how that's scummy, calling it "anxious" is reaching rather far. It looks like you're grasping for straws, although that's pretty understandable for the "crawling out of RVS" stage I suppose.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 01, 2012, 09:33:20 PM
hey Nuko what do you think about Omba / BT / anything that doesn't pertain to people voting you?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 01, 2012, 09:40:33 PM
Looks like a bunch of nonsensical RVS stuff to me at this point, not really much to comment on I guess?
Not really. I just have a different take on gut votes, I guess, since I usually base my gut feelings on posts that catch my interest. Seeing as there are barely any posts... You get the idea.
I find this post of BT's pretty agreeable in general, it's pretty much how my gut works too.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 01, 2012, 10:02:30 PM
The only thing I posted between your original vote and now was a comment toward the mod. Your gut is pretentious as fuck.
The original vote was :lolrvs:. Seeing as nothing interesting had happened since then, I skimmed over all the posts and chose the player that gave off the most "this is scum" feelings. Which happened to be you. (And still is you, btw).
The RVS is the perfect time to let your gut roam wild. Even at this moment, while ten of us are playfully probing, there are three people hoping to slither between the cracks and pretend to be good natured. You got a problem with voting huh what, BT? @_@
How do you get from asking a question to having a problem when you haven't seen the reaction to the answer yet?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 01, 2012, 11:25:45 PM
I don't see how that's scummy, calling it "anxious" is reaching rather far. It looks like you're grasping for straws, although that's pretty understandable for the "crawling out of RVS" stage I suppose.
:ed1strong:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 02, 2012, 12:01:23 AM
Or I guess I should say >RVS self-vote with serious votes on the table
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 02, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
I possibly havent read anything said.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 02, 2012, 12:13:55 AM
Don't like negatively-provocative playstyles. Find antagonism inherently scummy (and find it generically uncomfortable and fun-ruining as a player). Always joke vote UK for same when we play together due to her history.
Latest huh what post word count is better.
##Unvote ##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Needlessly anxious. RVS will end when it does.
Assuming I accept the above justification as true at face value (which BTW I don't, you're going to be providing me with links to said evidence in your next post or you're going to find yourself on the wrong end of a rope), what the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
I mean, seriously. Are you trying to imply that your vote on me was a "joke" vote? If so, why did you feel a need to justify it as such with evidence. If it was merely RVS, why was your justification needed? Simply stating that it's RVS should suffice as an answer for anyone. Why did you feel the need to... elaborate further?
Because I have my own conclusion about why you elaborated. But I want to hear you answer to this first.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Affinity on July 02, 2012, 12:18:16 AM
The votecount is really really b0rked. Guess they don't teach math really well here at purgatory.
Don't really care about the 'anxious to end RVS thing' nonsense but I'm more concerned with huhwhat specially asking Neko as to what he thinks about other people despite others not doing the same? That's a rather huh attempt to seem pro-town.
##Unvote ##Vote: huhwhat
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 02, 2012, 12:26:25 AM
Lady Whatever: Conq asked. Not answering would have been rude.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 02, 2012, 12:31:30 AM
Right.
So not only is that the worst answer to my question, you also failed to provide me with the evidence I wanted.
Further, MY explanation for the over justification is that it comes from scum who are eager to use this as a chance to look like town. It's free information and does them no harm.
So that's 2 strikes, and the fact that you said "oh but Conq asked" when I specifically asked for the reason for the OVER explanation and not why you chose to answer in the first place makes strike 3.
Vote: Kilga
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 02, 2012, 12:36:19 AM
Gee, this is fun!
Hey Kilga! Why don't you find the antagonistic posting in me so far? Maybe you can use it to swing a lynch on me!
I mean, hey! People love to lynch people they hate right! And if I'm as horrible as you make me out to be, and based off your antagonistic=scum theory, I should be a prime vote right now!
Here, I'll help you along! I'm antagonizing you with my vote !
Should be easy to get people to vote me now, right?
Ooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr maybe you're just a scumbag using a controversial opening statement to gain town cred for yourself later by answering easy questions that give away little to no information.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 02, 2012, 01:04:53 AM
So your response to someone saying you can be extremely antagonistic is to be extremely antagonistic to them? You sure showed him. >_>
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 02, 2012, 01:14:44 AM
So your response to someone saying you can be extremely antagonistic is to be extremely antagonistic to them? You sure showed him. >_>
I don't think that was the point of the post given the last line but hey, if two birds one stone...?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 02, 2012, 02:09:13 AM
There's some people I'm possibly :/ about but there's way too little for me to actually feel okay stating dislike about any of them.
I guessssss out of those my top picks would be Affinity and Kilga right now, but, uh, s'not saying much there.
##Unvote ##Vote: Kilgamayan
I don't really like his vote on Neko that much (Same for Affinity v HW), but since it's basically ED1 votings at that point :shrug:, but well whatever I'm going to bed
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 02:38:48 AM
Ooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr maybe you're just a scumbag using a controversial opening statement to gain town cred for yourself later by answering easy questions that give away little to no information.
holy shit is that thought process forced, people don't get town cred from answering questions about a jokevote. Kilga hardly even overexplained himself, this is the kind of case you can't seriously believe with the assholish conviction you're posting with unless you're a fucking conspiracy nut
but you could easily be scum faking! ##Unvote ##Vote: Lady Lambdadelta (L-6)
Don't really care about the 'anxious to end RVS thing' nonsense but I'm more concerned with huhwhat specially asking Neko as to what he thinks about other people despite others not doing the same?
was less a "I want specific opinions on these specific people!" and more a "seriously, talk about something other than how people are voting you", hence why I really just threw out random names that came to mind
Actual Thoughts: my opinion on Omba should've been clear, thought he was faking gut and wanted to see how he'd justify it, and his response wasn't what I'd expect scum to say. NNR himself looks lazy and passive, which is why I asked in the first place, so secondary vote would go there. BT looks fine for ED1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 02, 2012, 02:43:24 AM
Quote
unless you're a fucking conspiracy nut
is it bad that I thought that could still just be how LLD is :C
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 02:57:20 AM
it's 24 hours into day 1, I shouldn't have to make a bunch of forced (and in this case, inaccurate, because lol answering earlygame questions meaning towncred) assumptions to get behind a vote. that's not how a townie's thought process works, unless they're absolutely desperate
in any case I don't recall her play being this pretentious, ever
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 03:05:49 AM
to elaborate: the obvious conclusion anybody would take away from kilga's rvs vote on lld is that he finds her frustrating, there's no need to ask for further information on that
assuming that it was an attempt to bait a question because answering questions gives you town cred (not even true) is the most retarded stretch imaginable
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 02, 2012, 03:10:49 AM
Right, Huh What can die if and when Kilga flips scum for that magnificent chainsaw.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 02, 2012, 03:26:15 AM
wrt Serela 97 and HW 98: Suspect LLD attitude is at least partially fueled by feeling slighted by my original post. Calls for post-game apology if so, but post-game is not now.
Negative interest in participating in D1 slapfight. Shadoweh 93 best possible response to LLD 92.
Not presently interested in voting LLD, combination of posts so far being par for the LLD course and attitude inkling in first paragraph. Also feels like incredibly easy target, particularly after 92.
Bed soon. NNR vote hardly slam-dunk, but suspicious enough to keep.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 02, 2012, 04:27:51 AM
Yo, check out my sick skills, My halbard kills Otonashi 100 times My guild death was most sublime, that they, had to, get melodramatic. (for one second) I am a romantic, ever see my shirt off? I look like a boss. They say I have no IQ Got beat by a kid that knows Pi to A thousand places. I'm of indeterminate race, and my purple hair is like eyeliner to my face. But to Yuri I am most loyal, and when my rage turns to a boil, Your pants you will soil. Yo, was that shit like Yoda? Answer's no, I'm Noda!
Come at me bitches.
##Vote: Pesco awkward.
oh, and those people who said 'BT looks good ED1', Obb.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 02, 2012, 04:42:45 AM
You have ~42.25 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 02, 2012, 05:15:27 AM
Yaaawwnnnnn.
##Unvote ##Vote Lady Lambdadelta
Trying to forcibly start a slapfight with Kilga this early is reaaally bothering me, but I can't differentiate from scum and anti-town yet (this is a thing after last time!) so I'll give this some time.
##Unvote ##Vote ActionDan
Mr. ActionDan, nothing to comment on about, oh, the bulk of what's been going on?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 05:19:26 AM
I don't think LLD's play so far has been "par for the LLD course", I'm not an expert on her meta but I've never seen her logic be this much of a stretch. slighted town wouldn't have needed to make up convoluted bullshit just to vote the dude who slighted them
dislike the BT cut, if you "can't differentiate between scummy and anti-town" then why would you vote somebody for making a post that was showy and anti-town but not necessarily scum behavior right out the gate?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 02, 2012, 05:26:27 AM
Because I find the post more likely scum than anti-town, compared to LLD right now. Reads like an attempt at not getting involved.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 05:30:33 AM
Eh.
LLD is both anti-town and legit scummy. Dan just looks like he's sad he missed out on RVS, as scum it would've been easier to just keep lurking and he could've gotten away with it cuz he's V/LA.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 02, 2012, 05:44:37 AM
Yeah, but we can't assume ideal scum play. Is he still V/LA? Either way, avoiding catching fire by pointing something out and skedaddling is what he did. Because, really, I'm trying to read him as Town!Dan and can't figure out why he would not comment on that unless he's fearing for his life.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 02, 2012, 06:03:59 AM
Because, really, I'm trying to read him as Town!Dan and can't figure out why he would not comment on that unless he's fearing for his life.
Elaborate, please. Dan's post is the equivalent of an early game prod-dodge. The fact that you're trying to sell it as something more when you have an (imo) legit concern about LLD's play that you could be addressing smacks to me like you're trying to stay out of the line of fire.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 02, 2012, 06:14:03 AM
LLD is probably town.
Shadobro, there's a question (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850687.html#msg850687) waiting to get answered.
There's some people I'm possibly :/ about but there's way too little for me to actually feel okay stating dislike about any of them.
Quote
I don't really like his vote on Neko that much (Same for Affinity v HW), but since it's basically ED1 votings at that point :shrug:, but well whatever I'm going to bed
Somehow that reads as if you're having very little you're actually sure of to vote Kilga. Given that, I don't see why you're only stating those two reads.
#109: Awesome. ##Unvote ##Vote BT
:gut: on huhwhat persists but in light of actual logic stuff takes a backseat.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 02, 2012, 06:15:39 AM
EBWOP: LLD, you should chill out if you don't want to look like you're pulling a Mafia in the Back Room. Don't really have a read on Kilga's alignment but it seemed like the forced wording came about because he was trying to be tactful after the fact. I have other thoughts about his initial vote but I don't think they're important right now.
Now to nip this in the bud: @Kilga, can you provide LLD with past history of you/UK in mafia games so she doesn't have an excuse to tunnel you saying that you didn't answer her question?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 02, 2012, 06:19:38 AM
I'm "selling it as something more" because it is something more. What about it being a prod-dodge-like post makes the choice of content irrelevant?
My concerns regarding LLD aren't telling of alignment. I've already addressed them, and that is all I can do about that. How is it 'staying out of the line of fire' at all?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 02, 2012, 06:25:21 AM
##Unvote
Wow these wagons sure are things. This is what we're going to be serious about today? Serela you lurking scumbag get back here and tell me why you think Kilga and Affinity are scum. Omba: I ignored the question because I have no idea what you're talking about.
I think it's pretty funny that Dan's only read was 'obvtown BT' and people are piling on BT for attacking Dan. It's like, some form of magic dissonance. Huh what, haven't we had enough of pushing LLD for being obstinante? A good fight is the best way to kick things off anyways.
##Vote: Serela You only get away with this lurker crap when you're scum. I'ma haul you in this time fishie-nyan!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 02, 2012, 06:30:37 AM
I'm "selling it as something more" because it is something more. What about it being a prod-dodge-like post makes the choice of content irrelevant?
My concerns regarding LLD aren't telling of alignment. I've already addressed them, and that is all I can do about that. How is it 'staying out of the line of fire' at all?
Curious. What was the content he pointed out, if I may ask? It's staying out of the line of fire because LLD is sure to fight back, while Dan looks nice and squishy at the moment. This is exacerbated by the fact that your Dan vote is little more than a prod vote. What happens to your vote when he provides content in his next post, or what if he doesn't show up for the rest of the day? (Not a rhetorical question)
I suppose I'll rephrase. Why aren't your concerns about LLD telling of alignment? Just want to hear your thought process here, because differentiating between scum and anti-town is pretty much how you play mafia as town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 02, 2012, 06:31:35 AM
So basically, you have no idea if her play is anti-town or scummy, but don't see the need to do anything to get clarification on the matter? Like, say, asking her questions that could help you determine which of the two it is?
--cut Shadobro: How about asking me to restate the question (or just saying "I have no idea what you're talking about") without me needing to prod you? Anyway, reworded: He asked "how do you get :gut: during RVS?", to which you asked "do you have a problem with X voting Y?". My question is: Why did you assume he has a problem with voting X in itself, rather than just not getting the reasoning?
and cut again.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 06:33:13 AM
Huh what, haven't we had enough of pushing LLD for being obstinante?
LLD being obstinate doesn't excuse her from pushing craplogic which shouldn't come out of any townie's head ever
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 06:36:56 AM
also if this was town!LLD trying to kick things off by starting a fight, I don't think her reaction to me voting her would have been "hw can die if Kilga flips scum"
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 02, 2012, 06:38:07 AM
I also want to quote this again because this is really the meat of what I'm trying to say here and we're devolving into semantics bullshit.
Because, really, I'm trying to read him as Town!Dan and can't figure out why he would not comment on that unless he's fearing for his life.
You're not pushing this as "oh hey Dan is prod-dodging that's kinda scummy let's vote him." You're pushing this as "Dan pretty much has to be scum because I can't figure out why he'd do that as town." Really? Come on.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 02, 2012, 06:43:52 AM
also if this was town!LLD trying to kick things off by starting a fight, I don't think her reaction to me voting her would have been "hw can die if Kilga flips scum"
What if it's town!LLD overreacting at something and seeing everything else through tinted lenses?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 06:50:21 AM
doubt that, if it were true she wouldn't have had to wait for kilga to respond to a question to overreact
also by "kicking things off by starting a fight" i meant if her kilga vote was a reaction test toward other players intended to get the game rolling
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 02, 2012, 06:51:50 AM
It's staying out of the line of fire because LLD is sure to fight back, while Dan looks nice and squishy at the moment. This is exacerbated by the fact that your Dan vote is little more than a prod vote. What happens to your vote when he provides content in his next post, or what if he doesn't show up for the rest of the day? (Not a rhetorical question)
I suppose I'll rephrase. Why aren't your concerns about LLD telling of alignment? Just want to hear your thought process here, because differentiating between scum and anti-town is pretty much how you play mafia as town.
So basically, you have no idea if her play is anti-town or scummy, but don't see the need to do anything to get clarification on the matter? Like, say, asking her questions that could help you determine which of the two it is?
Starting a loud fight with Kilga at the given circumstances is anti-town but I have absolutely no idea if it is overblatant scum, abuse of self-meta or LLD being LLD. To be frank, I don't know how to resolve this aside from giving it some time, as the last and only time I played with LLD (SYWTBTT) I ended up tunneling on her because of anti-town-being-ness.
You're not pushing this as "oh hey Dan is prod-dodging that's kinda scummy let's vote him." You're pushing this as "Dan pretty much has to be scum because I can't figure out why he'd do that as town." Really? Come on.
Inaccurate. I find it hard to read his post as town which is why I suspect him as scum. Last I checked, this lines up well with how you're supposed to play mafia.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 02, 2012, 07:04:09 AM
I find it hard to read his post as town which is why I suspect him as scum.
This is where I think you're pulling stuff out of your ass. You seem comfortable enough with metaing LLD to arrive at a null conclusion for her (a perfectly valid conclusion). But then how the in hell do you find it hard to read Dan as potential town, on the other hand, given his meta? What Dan did could have come from scum, sure. But the way you frame your vote is sus because I don't know how you could reach that level of certainty (at worst the one post is null-scum, and the lack of content isn't saying much given how many others are lacking content).
Note: If you're town and faking conviction as a rhetorical device this is where you can own up to it and we can all go on our way.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 02, 2012, 07:12:42 AM
I am definitely faking conviction leave me alone please But really, I don't think I'm as convicted as you think I am. I'd be some sort of mafia prodigy if I were certain of Scum!Dan from a vague first post. The post is off and fits how I imagine cautious scum would deal with the situation, but I'm not carving "Dan is scum!!" on my flag just yet.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 02, 2012, 08:01:31 AM
also if this was town!LLD trying to kick things off by starting a fight, I don't think her reaction to me voting her would have been "hw can die if Kilga flips scum"
No, that's exactly what she does all the time. You're scum because you're defending someone who's scum.
Omba: I was accusing him of being huh what's scumbuddy, if you need that laid out. :V That is why he would 'care'.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 08:34:34 AM
also by "kicking things off by starting a fight" i meant if her kilga vote was a reaction test toward other players intended to get the game rolling
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Pesco on July 02, 2012, 09:48:01 AM
Yeah, nice and slow.
##Vote: HW
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 09:57:31 AM
you never posted in our scum quicktopic
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 10:21:00 AM
Pesco I googled "Yeah, nice and slow." "Kamen Rider" for C7D-graveyard-related reasons and didn't get an explanation of your post, what the fuck is this shit
relevant to stuff I actually -did- find: if you dorks* are going to roleplay can you not do it in a way that completely inhibits clarity? :IHateFun:
*pesco and dan
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Pesco on July 02, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
Just a wild heaven
##Vote: HW
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
That's obviously not a posting restriction, otherwise you would've been modkilled for that Yuyuko Doll. So you're just being cagey for no reason, cool. Do I need to shoot you tonight?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Pesco on July 02, 2012, 10:42:34 AM
Give my love to jesus man
##Vote: HW
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 02, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Starting a loud fight with Kilga at the given circumstances is anti-town but I have absolutely no idea if it is overblatant scum, abuse of self-meta or LLD being LLD. To be frank, I don't know how to resolve this aside from giving it some time, as the last and only time I played with LLD (SYWTBTT) I ended up tunneling on her because of anti-town-being-ness.
What exactly do you expect to get from just waiting for more posts of hers that you couldn't more effectively get by asking her stuff to answer in those future posts? (I'm not telling you to vote her. The point is if you're confused, I don't get why you're not actively trying to clear the confusion instead of only waiting for :things: to happen.)
@Kilga, can you provide LLD with past history of you/UK in mafia games so she doesn't have an excuse to tunnel you saying that you didn't answer her question?
Needless spacewaster. Too many posts already. Archives there for everyone to read, and LLD and UK have played together before. Short explanation: old UK was very antagonistic. Later UK (who LLD had played with) was notably better about it but still did it sometimes.
Don't like you egging this on in this fashion. Asking me for lots of words of questionably need given how I've been posting = frowny face.
##Unvote ##Vote: Shadoweh
Serela vote is unimpressive given both stated suspicions (Serela didn't like my NNR vote or HW's Affinity vote and I at least didn't begrudge the feeling, and lurker charge = lol if serious) and lack of presence otherwise. 92, while appropriate, also very obvious, and potential scum conflict-hangback position, said to keep fires burning while looking like contributing.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 02, 2012, 02:10:55 PM
What the fuck this post spree is lasting all the way till early morning?
Am I the only one sleeping here?
I need to do some serious catching up
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Affinity on July 02, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
Don't really follow the BT case. He's 'pretending to scumhunt' by including something okay on LLD and switching to Dan? Then why would scum!BT specially include the LLD thing anyway? Such things seem really null especially on D1, and I am indeed world-weary of people pursuing this.
Quote from: Omba
So basically, you have no idea if her play is anti-town or scummy, but don't see the need to do anything to get clarification on the matter? Like, say, asking her questions that could help you determine which of the two it is?
Omba looks like the cheerleader here, so yeah. Above feels nonsensical given that Serela, Shadoweh have done the same thing, etc, and it feels like an attempt at token questioning.
##Unvote ##Vote: Omba
huhwhat looks like he has retreated into the shadows or something, Bad sign. Conq at least looks somewhat town in his questioning, though content is pretty disagreeable.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 02, 2012, 03:04:10 PM
What exactly do you expect to get from just waiting for more posts of hers that you couldn't more effectively get by asking her stuff to answer in those future posts? (I'm not telling you to vote her. The point is if you're confused, I don't get why you're not actively trying to clear the confusion instead of only waiting for :things: to happen.)
Throwing around "ask questions!" is cool and all, but, for instance, what would you ask? Had I questions to ask, I would have asked them. I don't see the point in this.
I don't know, Omba is being kind of lazy but I don't think he's bad. Elaborate on Omba > HW?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 02, 2012, 03:17:16 PM
From my perspective, LLD looks like he's just baiting for reactions, which seems pretty null to me. I can agree it's pretty off the wall considering meta, but it doesn't seem serious enough to warrant getting mad over.
Huhwhat taking the bait though strikes me as bad, he seems kind of scummy for it, actually. All his posts so far strike me as him being wound-up for some reason, which isn't normal. Then again, I find it hard to believe he's taking any of this seriously either, which DOES seem normal?
I'm going to stop overanalyzing and just ##Unvote and ##Vote: Huhwhat
I dislike Kilga for being uncooperative. If it'll stop this RVS bullshit I'd just comply and deal with it, I would comply. Kilga's pointed refusal just seems like scurrying around the mess.
I like Conq, but Shadoweh seems like he's doing the bare minimum to scrape by, added to the lurkerprod his vote issues doesn't make him look very good.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 02, 2012, 03:48:34 PM
Trying to forcibly start a slapfight with Kilga this early is reaaally bothering me, but I can't differentiate from scum and anti-town yet (this is a thing after last time!) so I'll give this some time.
##Unvote ##Vote ActionDan
Mr. ActionDan, nothing to comment on about, oh, the bulk of what's been going on?
Um. The first thing I did when I got access to a computer was briefly skim this thread. The only thing that stuck out to me was you looking kinda town and Pesco being weird. I wasn't guting anything else as scummy/townie. (It's not that I didn't notice such things as say, 'LLD hates kilga' or 'joke wagons on Conq/Shadoweh' etc.)
I'm posting from work atm, so I still have no time. In another 5-6 hours I'll be available.
I do think LLD's kilga vote is garbage. Not sure if Scummy.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 02, 2012, 05:25:07 PM
also if this was town!LLD trying to kick things off by starting a fight, I don't think her reaction to me voting her would have been "hw can die if Kilga flips scum"
Does anyone else really believe this excuse?
Vote: Huh What
Kilga is town because I got what I was looking for from him. I'm treating him the same way I'd treat Haylen.
If BT was scum for trying to avoid me, why would he vote me in the first place?
Conq needs to die at some point.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 02, 2012, 08:07:31 PM
Frankly I don't care what the rest of you think of it. The Serela that isn't here being super active in the Day 1 and making people vote him for giant text walls of waffles is a scum Serela trying to lay low. He'll either come back to say he's sorry but he has no opinions yet because it's Day 1 and he's scum or he'll come back with a super sugoi list of reasons everyone is scum because he's town.
is it bad that I thought that could still just be how LLD is :C
Besides. Look at that face. That face is the face of someone that wants to get lynched.
Neko: Her! Shadoweh is a girl-nyan! >.<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 02, 2012, 08:15:34 PM
I am also a girl Neko.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 02, 2012, 08:18:14 PM
Shadoweh must only be thinking of her game 'cause that's one of the few d1s where I didn't just superlurk. Because of box shenanigans. And then after those were over I went back to superlurking like I usually do in d1.
If you're going to vote someone for meta reasons, at least get the meta right! :derp:
I'unno what to make of LLD but at the least with how she's acting, future game stuff should help make her alignment clear :D
OMGUS'ing Shadoweh is tempting. But I can't get reads on her this early. Then again that goes for the other people I'd vote too.
Actually I reread #113 and yeah let's vote Shadoweh. "SERELA YOU LURKING SCUMBAG" at the point in time that post was made is just wut
##Unvote ##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 02, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
I AM HERE FOR SOME SCUM BOOTY... reading......
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 02, 2012, 09:01:06 PM
>:( I will never get gender titles right
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 02, 2012, 09:12:30 PM
Just looking at the vote count but huhwhat is on my townielist ##Unvote ##Vote: Kilga
>complains about late RVS vote -> has vote based on :toomanywords: -> #101 lame recrap with 0 interest on anything including his vote -> no mention of huhwhat and your :gut:(probably borrowed guts from omba earlier)
Actiondan and pesco with there posting is meh i wouldnt vote them over it
LLD for me is too early to judge if shes scum or town(Conq last game mentioned how he would judge LLD)
also ##Unvote ##Vote: Shadoweh because metaing serela like that is incredibly lame when he hasnt even followed that meta the past few games
everyone else if null/leaning town right now. except maybe BT because :what: vote on actiondan
bleh still reading over things just my skim through
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 02, 2012, 09:24:53 PM
Yes he has. He was pretty actively derping last game and the game before that (and his role pm lied and said he was town in that one). And he got caught out for having no opinions the game before that. Rawr you don't even read the games you're in, who are you to tell me what kind of meta a person is following?
So Serela, why are you making excuses for my thinking while voting me for being scum at the same time? I think it's because you know I'm not lying about my thoughts. I think you're scum. I told you boy, tell me who the scum are or die.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 02, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
i totally read peoples post, i just act like i dont
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 02, 2012, 09:43:46 PM
Silly Shadowert, don't try swaying me with player meta reasons! ScumSerela has had a good game on my watch (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.0.html) anyway. If I see Pyoaaaaa Redux on D2 I will change my mind but :d1playermeta: impresses me zero.
NNR: Will gladly be "uncooperative" if being cooperative involves deluges of words on D1. Here to play game, not give history lesson.
Affinity: How was HW "retreating into the shadows" when he had been posting lots and pushing his case harder than anyone else when you posted? Four hours of sleepytime silence does not a disappearance make.
Not sold on voting HW based on reaction to LLD/me thing. True that case was easy to make, but for reactions to unusual D1 events I will always find assertiveness better than hesitance and avoidance. (Which makes me look back in Serela's direction, tbh. Less than pleased with statement on LLD play. Would call Rawr out for this too but suspecting Rawr is like suspecting PX.) Other HW votes are pesco for :pesco: and NNR for reasons I disagree with. Uninterested in case.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 02, 2012, 10:52:41 PM
If you were fishing for reactions for other players then you would've waited longer and posted non-shitty reads instead of immediately making a throwaway "HW and Kilga are buddies!!" post.
From my perspective, LLD looks like he's just baiting for reactions, which seems pretty null to me. I can agree it's pretty off the wall considering meta, but it doesn't seem serious enough to warrant getting mad over.
From what she's said, LLD's main intention wasn't to bait reactions from players other than Kilga, and if she claimed she was at this point it'd look like a backtrack.
The amount of people who cba to read LLD is annoying because she's scummy as fuck and this isn't something impossible to read without flips. Her play so far has been a convoluted D1 case that she dropped for a flimsy OMGUS after people started acknowledging said D1 case as terrible. Are people seriously giving her a pass for this just because she's LLD?
Dislike (+ irrritated with) Pesco. He would've realized I wasn't claiming nightvig regardless of alignment, but combined with the Yuyuko Doll point that should've been his cue to stop dicking around as town. Continuing to not care makes me think his attitude is coming from scum since he'd figure I wouldn't actually be able to touch him.
BT is understandable after :responses:, seconding Affinity. I don't buy the Shadoweh case. I think her vote is silly because it's a play Serela could make as town too, but silly doesn't have to mean scummy, and I was getting Pyoa Aaaa flashbacks from Serela posting weird serious earlygame opinions then running off as well.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 02, 2012, 10:56:49 PM
I just got on the computer it's not even 9 AM yet. D:
remove the italics if that makes it easier to votecount, they don't actually help anybody anyway
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 12:28:08 AM
Tina Fey and Paul Rudd are filming in the area for the movie called "admissions". Quick: Tips on how to sleaze my way in and become an extra! It's what Noda would do! Because I'm the protagonist!
Also gonna saddle this thread like it's my... pony.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 12:40:29 AM
No love :(. Also dormio if i get prodded by tomorrow take that as a hint for replacement. Who knows when illget power
Noda loves you! (only if you're Yuri, otherwise stabby stabby with halbardo)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Affinity on July 03, 2012, 01:08:22 AM
@Kilga: huhwhat's thing on LLD was a blanket of white noise to me, telling us what we already know but are reluctant to accept. He commented on BT's case but did not follow the responses until much later, for example, which seemed tentative.
@BT: Omba's sole scum conviction. Ugliest jump of them all with urgh reasoning; imagine him asking the same question to LLD for example.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Affinity on July 03, 2012, 01:17:56 AM
Serela with his unelaborated cases and procrastination seems like he's par for the course. There are some interesting spices here and there like his range (doesn't talk much about BT, HW?) and horrible Shadoweh vote, but they cannot mask what is essentially a case with bad taste....
.. oh who am I kidding. That's not Serela.
##Unvote ##Vote: Serela
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 01:26:26 AM
If you were fishing for reactions for other players then you would've waited longer and posted non-shitty reads instead of immediately making a throwaway "HW and Kilga are buddies!!" post. From what she's said, LLD's main intention wasn't to bait reactions from players other than Kilga, and if she claimed she was at this point it'd look like a backtrack.
The amount of people who cba to read LLD is annoying because she's scummy as fuck and this isn't something impossible to read without flips. Her play so far has been a convoluted D1 case that she dropped for a flimsy OMGUS after people started acknowledging said D1 case as terrible. Are people seriously giving her a pass for this just because she's LLD?
That doesn't justify the fact that you got :mad: at LLD for falling for his reaction bait, you're simply using his case as a shield here.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 01:36:05 AM
Well at least I ~indirectly~ did something to end RVS.
I was simply curious about the Yuyuko doll action, although thinking about it, it doesn't actually make sense in the context of the game, so I dismissed it shortly afterward.
I don't see how that's scummy, calling it "anxious" is reaching rather far. It looks like you're grasping for straws, although that's pretty understandable for the "crawling out of RVS" stage I suppose.
Waffle waffle flip flop, pancake house, pancake house! mhm. French Toast. <grasping for straws> <pretty understandable> <I suppose>. There is no sense of any kind of committal to an opinion here. You can point back to a post like this and say "I thought Kilga could go either way! It's all in my post" Scummy
The original vote was :lolrvs:. Seeing as nothing interesting had happened since then, I skimmed over all the posts and chose the player that gave off the most "this is scum" feelings. Which happened to be you. (And still is you, btw).
Don't really care about the 'anxious to end RVS thing' nonsense but I'm more concerned with huhwhat specially asking Neko as to what he thinks about other people despite others not doing the same? That's a rather huh attempt to seem pro-town.
##Unvote ##Vote: huhwhat
This is a rather blah reason for the vote. What's wrong with HW asking questions to who he wants? It's usually how the mainstream townies scumhunt. Which other people would you have felt it appropriate for HW to ask his same question to NekoNeko?
From my perspective, LLD looks like he's just baiting for reactions, which seems pretty null to me. I can agree it's pretty off the wall considering meta, but it doesn't seem serious enough to warrant getting mad over.
Huhwhat taking the bait though strikes me as bad, he seems kind of scummy for it, actually. All his posts so far strike me as him being wound-up for some reason, which isn't normal. Then again, I find it hard to believe he's taking any of this seriously either, which DOES seem normal?
I'm going to stop overanalyzing and just ##Unvote and ##Vote: Huhwhat
I dislike Kilga for being uncooperative. If it'll stop this RVS bullshit I'd just comply and deal with it, I would comply. Kilga's pointed refusal just seems like scurrying around the mess.
I like Conq, but Shadoweh seems like he's doing the bare minimum to scrape by, added to the lurkerprod his vote issues doesn't make him look very good.
Ew. That vote is scummy. "Let me vote this person, even though I don't have a clue." everything else says little as was intended.
##Vote NekoNeko
LLD what reason do you have to believe HW is scum at all? Not seeing a lick of anything as is. Shadoweh, I believes Serela is the town this game. Word to the wise.
@Conq, BT, Omba: no comment. can't read the interaction easily.
I think Rawr is town this game. I was wrong last time, but he really seems town this game.
Also Kilga seems ok to me. as in above average town. -cuts
Affinity your vote for Serela is weak sauce. (so was Shadowehs, but it felt like it had a purpose)
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That doesn't justify the fact that you got :mad: at LLD for falling for his reaction bait, you're simply using his case as a shield here.
what would you have done in his stead? Is it scummy to get mad at someone who doesn't mean what they say?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 02:09:12 AM
That doesn't justify the fact that you got :mad: at LLD for falling for his reaction bait, you're simply using his case as a shield here.
but LLD's Kilga vote obviously wasn't reaction bait, and like I said, if she claimed she was at this point it'd look like a backtrack. are you even reading our posts?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 02:12:45 AM
everybody who looks scummy to me right now is voting me which makes me think my reads are probably shit
Neko, I want a fully explained read on LLD next time you post.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 02:56:21 AM
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Waffle waffle flip flop, pancake house, pancake house! mhm. French Toast. <grasping for straws> <pretty understandable> <I suppose>. There is no sense of any kind of committal to an opinion here. You can point back to a post like this and say "I thought Kilga could go either way! It's all in my post" Scummy
I don't see a reason to make a countercase out of case that's grasping for straws itself that far out of RVS (read: none at all)
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Ew. That vote is scummy
You're no fun. I am totally confident in my HW vote right now, especially since he hasn't said any of his :gettingmad: was non-serious. Most of that was me waffling over his Pesco reactions anyway (which are hard to take seriously and continue to not be serious-looking)
LLD is null leaning town. Anything serious I could possibly take from his post-RVS is completely nullified by his #140, in which he completely drops his case on Kilga, which was the original point from his reaction-bait.
Quote from: Tao
Quote from: huhwhat
also if this was town!LLD trying to kick things off by starting a fight, I don't think her reaction to me voting her would have been "hw can die if Kilga flips scum"
Does anyone else really believe this excuse?
This seems like a reasonable vote. If I were HW I would drop my case on LLD since the "hw can die if kilga flips scum" stance is made pointless by LLD's case drop, again. His logic seems reasonable and he's making a decent effort to contribute, even if that contribution is "fanning hw's :mad: on him".
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 03:03:29 AM
Also I don't get why the "original intention" of LLD's reaction-baiting post has to be only for Kilga, it garnered a scummy response from other players and made them look bad in the process regardless of intention, trying to justify it's still scummy by saying "it wasn't his intention" is like saying the blanket I bought to sleep under is no good because instead I ended up using it to towel off my wet dog.
If that metaphor makes any sense then all the better.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 03:05:30 AM
Noda loves you! (only if you're Yuri, otherwise stabby stabby with halbardo)
youreanidiotokay?
affinity jumping on serela is lame, actiondan is leaning town
huh what is still town
neko is scummy for jumping in on w/e lld did and taking the lazy route on calling huhwhat scummy
@HW umad?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 03:14:46 AM
okay so you're basically saying that when somebody drops a case, it means it never happened and they shouldn't be held accountable for it, cool
I want to hear from LLD again before I even consider unvoting her, all her reactions toward me have been attempts at discrediting me and not legit points.
my reactions to Pesco were more ":|" than anything. I'm mildly irritated people keep ignoring my LLD case just because it's LLD but other than that I don't know where these "HW needs to quit gettin' mad at mafia games" accusations are coming from
nuko cut: It matters because you keep trying to invalidate my vote by saying LLD's intent was to out reactions from other players, not Kilga, which isn't true (because intent is what matters in this game) rawr cut: i'm furious
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 03:21:43 AM
meh its not that im ignoring it it just feels like it would be just a coin toss. Also if were going down that route we may as well also lynch serela, me, and pesco.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 03:23:36 AM
pesco is there because hes to dang hipster
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 03:27:09 AM
I don't take any of LLD's pre-140 because it's early post RVS bullshit and doesn't even LOOK serious. D1 posts age horrendously badly and this is especially true when you're getting out of RVS. You're trying to make a huge deal out of like 4 posts, only one of which is even fairly recent, and I don't see why I should make a big of deal out of them as you are.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 03:30:49 AM
Rawr is doing the bare minimum as usual. I was going to call Affinity out for her stuff on Serela being pretty terrible, but Dan beat me to it.
Affinity, do you have any reason for your Serela vote other then meta?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 03:31:30 AM
HW: Think you're too tunnely on LLD. I can buy her vote for me being a reaction fish from others as well as me. Also LLD still technically under V/LA so curt statements and inconvenient times understandable.
Affinity: HW hammered his case because people saw things differently. Not sure why this is a bad thing?
NNR: LLD still female. Hasn't changed since your first reminder.
LLD/HW both still prob town. Both Serela cases are effortless at best, makes him unappealing vote candidate as a result even with his nothing stance on LLD. Shadoweh/Affinity/NNR best bets at present imo. Dan makes decent NNR case, maybe/maybe not hung up on NNR response to my vote for him a bit much but find myself nodding along to his quick summary of NNR's HW vote post.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 03:34:37 AM
requesting a replacement because rawr is trolling me too hard
was more talking about people like Serela and Shadowmeh than you since they seemed to be giving her entire passes and I already know you love me anyway. also you might wanna explain your lynch priorities between NNR-Kilga-Shadowmeh to the public while you're here
NNR cut: those were the only posts I had to go on and since I voted her there haven't been many more, I'm not going to base my entire read on her shitty omgus post this is one reason why I mentioned wanting her to post again before I considered unvoting !!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 03:35:56 AM
The BT case isn't nearly as solid as I thought it was.
Neko is /headdesk worthy but nothing to lynch so far.
Shadoweh is pretty horrible. Need to read a few of her latest games, but unless she played very similarly there as town, she gets a big fat ##FoS Shadoweh.
And I think there's a few things I need to answer at some point.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 03:40:04 AM
so that's two people voting me without actually reading, great
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 03:41:30 AM
V/LA notice was stated by mod as "2.5 days." This information is what I operate under.
Lynch preference is order I gave them. Seen no reason to move Shadoweh vote so there it stays. Affinity placement relative to NNR subject to change depending on resolution of current Affinity dialogue. Put slightly above NNR currently because Affinity dialogue directly mine while NNR suspicions more from Dan case (ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL).
Cut by another vote that makes me :|
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 03:42:06 AM
That was addressed to rawr, Kilga (hence top of post)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 03:44:15 AM
Sorry, circumstances made me think you addressed me and simply mixed up me w/ Affinity in second paragraph. (Seriously, read it with that replace and you'll swear it's directed at my most recent post.)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 03:55:43 AM
Kilga is town because I got what I was looking for from him. I'm treating him the same way I'd treat Haylen.
Jesus fuck LLD If this was all a ~reaction test~ it was pretty terrible, since the last time I remembered you reaction testing (fakeclaiming miller in UK's game) you caught a townie instead. 1/10 for effort. How do you treat Haylen? This isn't information most of us are privy to.
You have ~19 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 04:14:08 AM
Cripes, less time than I remembered.
Given current vote count, would vote Serela over HW should votes gravitate toward those that already have more than one. Would much prefer Shadowy over both, though.
Bed -> Small window before work where maybe I can post -> Work -> Home before deadline barring disaster.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Affinity on July 03, 2012, 04:18:42 AM
Kilga: Point of my comment is that HW disliked BT but did not take his responses into account at that time, which I felt was bad and shadowey. LLD case was not the main concern.
Dan: Asking X what he thinks of Y when Y hadn't done much is the easiest way to look proactive, and it was worth questioning huhwhat for. Serela's range of targets is pathetic compared to everyone else in the game, does not answer the main points of Shadoweh's case (unsubstantiated reads on Kilga and me), and settles on the lurker accusation as reason to vote someone. I don't feel the meta-sympathy in the air, so sorry.
In other news, Omba's latest vote is a laughable backtrack when he hadn't commented on much of the HW argument before. Could switch to him too, certainly, as so if people protest that sadly.
##Unvote ##Vote: Omba
I think huhwhat is okay now due to explanations and such; firmly on his side against the ridiculous Neko and Omba votes, and I would rather them hammered than him. Lol at the 'pretending that it's not reaction bait thing' being used as a serious point.
Why is everyone dropping BT left and right all of a sudden when he hasn't posted for sometime? Conq being the most egregious example of this, due to him being the driving force of most BT questioning. Would like explanation.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 03, 2012, 04:21:25 AM
You have ~18.7 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 04:45:08 AM
bleh shadoweh wagon gots nothing, would kill neko or lld(I GUESS)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 05:10:17 AM
Hmm, Affinity seems fine now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 05:22:03 AM
Affinity and to a lesser degree Dan are probably town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 05:27:14 AM
don't care for Serela and Shadoweh cases for reasons previously stated, but would lynch Serela over Shadoweh because his Shadoweh vote in #143 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851173.html#msg851173) looks slapped on as a hilariously convenient attempt to avoid doing what Shadoweh predicted he'd do as scum 2 posts earlier
would support a Neko wagon for reasons I have not yet mentioned in-thread but hesitant because I doubt him being buddies with LLD - again, willingness to drop the LLD tunneling mainly depends on if her late-day content is actually believable
Omba looks like he bounced back on a gut read, that's not unreasonable for a town move even if he can't read. not too interested in that lynch but he never answered Dan about what was giving him the read in the first place
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 05:41:09 AM
actually one thing that does bug me about Omba is why the fuck would he need me to explain what I said to Pesco?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 06:08:26 AM
^ Because it looks like a softclaim, but can't conceivably be one given that it's you and not some derp newbie.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 06:16:32 AM
Don't like you egging this on in this fashion. Asking me for lots of words of questionably need given how I've been posting = frowny face.
>egging this on :derp: I was actually trying to end it before it become a whirlwind of derp with LLD going Y U NO ANSWER QUESTION, but then it petered out anyway? Figures. (Fwiw, from what it looks like most Kilga/UK games were lost to the forums upgrade, and the few that remain aren't very illuminating, so yeah)
Didn't expect deadline to be so close; not sure if I'll even be here at deadline although I'll try to steal access throughout the day. Wagons right now are pretty lol. Not sure what to think about huhwhat. I think the wagon on him is pretty crap, but I dislike his undue focus on LLD because it feels like an excuse to stay voting her.
I want to hear from LLD again before I even consider unvoting her, all her reactions toward me have been attempts at discrediting me and not legit points.
Can't really pinpoint why this statement rubs me the wrong way, especially since I predict at the end of the day no matter what happens you'll end up switching off LLD anyways. Don't really think he's a good vote though. The entire LLD situation feels like an ill-conceived trap. Pretty dumb that it had to become so prominent.
Unrelated, but could the person who uploaded Bamboo Forest Mafia in the archives reupload it? The Mediafire link is down.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Pesco on July 03, 2012, 06:22:53 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 06:34:13 AM
TK sucks.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 06:40:18 AM
Pesco I am seriously going to send a request to Pesco to get you carded postgame if you don't read your role PM and post in the scum quicktopic, this is supposed to be a team game and rawr and I have been waiting for you for ages
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Pesco on July 03, 2012, 06:43:01 AM
I kiss you!
##Vote: HW
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 06:55:26 AM
this doesn't particularly impress me because even if your PR is real, you've shown that you're allowed to post quotes and fake actions and with <24 hours left in the day you should have a lot more to point out than "HW is pissed because I'm trolling my scumbuddies on purpose" (which I am)
Actual question: are you going to be around for deadline?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 07:12:45 AM
especially since I predict at the end of the day no matter what happens you'll end up switching off LLD anyways.
relevant: I don't intend to support a Neko lynch if I still think LLD is scum, if that wasn't clear
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 07:15:17 AM
At this point I don't think there's any support for an LLD lynch, given the issue has been there all day and you're still the only person voting her. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 07:30:45 AM
Serela please post something readable kthanks. Shadoweh's airtight metacase on Serela isn't as airtight as she thinks given Serela has posted giant walls of waffle every game he's scum that I can recall. Not really feeling scum Shadoweh though? Please not to be tunneling on someone I think is probably a weak-willed townie.
Eh, push came to shove I'd vote Serela over Shadoweh for being unreadable.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 07:32:05 AM
fuck I've spent like 15 minutes trying to think of a response to that which didn't immediately make me want to punch myself
##Unvote
re-reading
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 07:33:02 AM
Actually Conq who do you think is scum? You were JUST ON LLD and you don't have a opinion on me that isn't waffly so I don't even know what the fuck.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 07:46:19 AM
My vote on LLD was just to prove a point; if it were a serious vote I would have kept it. Her antics this game are irritating me, but I don't think she's scum. There are a few others I'd lynch before her.
I don't have a non-waffly opinion on you because your play viscerally reminds me of Iffrita, but the votes on you are individually pretty bad and I can't really pinpoint what my gut is trying to say about you (not to mention my gut was wrong about you in previous games). But I already said you weren't a good vote for today anyway.
As for who I think is scum, that's the tricky one. I'm pretty apprehensive at the wagons right now because I think we're collectively barking up the wrong tree(s). I'm actually going to go back and ##Vote: BT because Dan's posts read better to me on reread and I suspect BT's psuedo-capitulation at the end of our exchange was an attempt at appeasement. I think BT saw Dan's post before his, saw an easy way to get involved with a vote, and jumped on. What differentiates Dan from the other non-content posters such as Pesco, for instance? BT hasn't been very involved with the game otherwise, and I still think his responses to me are slippery with regards to how he was pushing the Dan case.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 07:54:44 AM
Omba's play thus far has been pretty opportunistic. Not sure what to make of it. Omba, which part of my initial BT vote did you like, and what about his responses make him town (or at least less of a priority than huhwhat) in your opinion?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 08:00:29 AM
Also, @mod, could you do something like bold all active votes so the votecounts are easier to read? Right now it's a bit jumbled with the italics and all that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 03, 2012, 08:05:52 AM
You have ~15 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 08:13:30 AM
Oh god it hurts to be awake and read words. It is way too god damn late to be starting new wagons here. My opinion on huh what wagon RE: NO. Was going to sheep to Conq but I like bt to so where's next voting block committee no wait rereading says maybe conq is onto something so i will sheep to braim
##Unvote ##Vote: BT
If Serale comes back with a 'sry gais' i would love if we all just piled onto him like a domino tower so i can gloat huh what are you trying to post after Pesco every single time on purpose or do you jiust like being weird angery for no reason rawr come vote BT we have cookies
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 08:13:57 AM
oh right i think i'll be back before deadline after sleep good
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:42:22 AM
huh what are you trying to post after Pesco every single time on purpose or do you jiust like being weird angery for no reason
I'm just doing it because I find it funny even though he's irritating from a gameplay point of view. I was also hoping it'd get him to say more but apparently not.
serious opinion on him that I wrote up before I gave up on writing my serious post: still don't like the way Pesco has handled whatever the fuck he's doing but I thought about it and don't see how his votepark benifits scum - even if he coasts through the day succesfully there's no way town is letting him live to LYLO after my flip, it just seems very counterproductive overall
Omba go explain how I'm pretending to not know how to read LLD, I don't recall ever having a stone cold spot-on read on her ever. Initial thought was that you were just trying to justify your gut but you haven't actually responded to Dan's question and this is actual Historical Revisionism.
I'm going to bed. anything else I came up with on re-read was just repeating what I already said about LLD because SHE'S FUCKING HORRIBLE. If her earlygame focus was reaction testing she shouldn't have responded to my vote like that because there was absolutely no point in doing so, everybody's (AN: neko dis is u) letting her get away with a blatant backtrack off a scummy, forced case because... because... she's not fun to play with when you're town and that miraculously makes anything scummy she does not scummy I guess. She never even told us what Kilga did that satisfied her. I'm like actually frustrated this time. ##Vote LLD
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 08:45:33 AM
Dude I can understand you being frustrated but you are doing like the opposite of not getting lynched.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:20:07 AM
Oh God, everyone's null.
Conq, the reason Dan was different was because (and I don't think I got to mention this yet) I completely misunderstood his comment regarding myself and I thought he was trying to steer clear from the LLD discussion. <_<
And, honestly, at this point I would not object to Lynch All Lurkers because everything else is so sketchy and uncertain. Dan's case on Neko is agreeable but I'm still unsure about him and I kind of like Neko otherwise. Omba's content is also agreeably scummy but just like in Neko's case this could be scum pointing at bad townies (oh and he looks town). Affinity's Serela vote looked authentic to me but his last post is inconsistent (voting Omba, whom he accused of cheerleading my wagon, before voicing concern over "people dropping BT left and right" which uhh is this only referring to Conq then?). HW's comments irk me slightly ("I thought about it and don't see how his votepark benifits scum - even if he coasts through the day succesfully there's no way town is letting him live to LYLO after my flip, it just seems very counterproductive overall", for instance) but there is no scum merit whatsoever in voting LLD right now. Shadoweh's vote on me also irks me but she's done these things before (jumping on a wagon she had no identifyable opinion on earlier), who else would you lynch and why?
So HW reads as legit townraeg. I have absolutely nothing on Serela and would not want his lynch for that reason: we would gain absolutely nothing if he flips town and it's pretty much a crapshoot. LLD and Kilga are all sorts of null but I guess I'll try rereading them a nth time? Would especially appreciate LLD showing up with opinions and explaining that Conq read. Oh, and Conq is prob town. I kind of understand where he's coming from so yeah.
##Unvote
Rereading summore?
(i think my unvoting late-D1 is a trend, sadface)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:34:37 AM
Must admit I keep forgetting BT is in this game. Did not come out of the Conq/BT stuff earlier with a particularly strong negative read of either of them because of it, but now that BT seems relevant again I will likely spend some break time at work going over that exchange again. (In no condition to do it now.)
Not entirely satisfied with Affinity explanation but his lynch is pointedly Not Happening so I suppose I can dwell on it overnight.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 12:12:10 PM
Since apparently huhwhat is a wagon(incredibly horrible one at that) just going to say that me and him are masons
and
##unvote ##vote:Neko
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
Well, I tried making my life easier by focusing on the more plausible wagons, only to find that I don't like the Shadoweh wagon either as it is at the moment; most of the votes are some variant of "lol prodding Serela". It's not off to push her about that but it is off lynching her over other people for it, it's simply taking the easy way out. I'd want Kilga to explan Shadoweh > Affinity, or even Shadoweh > Neko.
Other things. The more I look at Dan's case the more I'm going with my gut about it being scum pointing out townie errors. There's also the part about handwaving people as 'will read later'. Of course, no one would follow a case based on gut so waste of time = avoided.
I think I've firmly established that I can't read Affinity for the life of me. Would lynch over HW or Shadoweh as a last resort.
... Gah, I cleared Omba the exact same way in SYWTBBT, didn't I? "He seems town *handwave* oh, he wasn't? :derp:"
##Vote Omba
Scratch the above, gonna sheep to rightous Affinity town. Seeing the HW jump as bad and a swift way of joining the wagon in favor of my own. That too - the realization that my wagon is not solid does not seem authentic more than it seems a chance to switch votes. I was willing to mark cheerleading my wagon as 'probably not scum tho' but not so much now.
Keeping an eye on Dan and to an extent Shadoweh.
cut - ok
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 12:16:08 PM
But really, it's safe to assume you're being serious, eh? And why Neko? Is it because of "bad HW case?" since he's not the only one guilty of that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
I'm just going to assume rawr is not neighbours with huhwhat...
##Unvote ##Vote Shadoweh
--cut cut
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 03, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
You have ~10.5 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 12:23:48 PM
@BT hes been stretching the LLDs reaction thing pretty far also its d3 its all hes got. Which stands out the most on being scummy
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 12:26:29 PM
i should throw reasons why on voting on the same post im voting....
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 12:39:28 PM
Still don't think Neko being /headdesk worthy is indicative of him being scum, btw.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 12:55:54 PM
then why are you voting shadoweh?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 12:59:39 PM
huhwhat: That was probably too vaguely worded on my part. The point was: It being a way to forcibly jump-start discussion was clearly obvious after staring at her posts for more than 5 seconds. Based on just that you might not get a town read on her (because there are ways that by itself could make sense as scum), but the fact that there are valid motives to do it for either alignment at least should be clear. That you then went on to accuse her of backtracking sealed the deal for me when added to the gut read I already had on you. Might have been somewhat biased in that assessment because my thought process prior to her doing that roughly went like this: Omba: Uh, there's not much happening. Someone should claim miller or something. I might actually do that... wait, that's not going to work anymore since the players are more or less used to early miller claims now. Eh, what do? LLD: *BOOM* Omba: ... What the... ... Cool.
Conq: The fact that BT totally jumped on Dan for -lol not much content- after being V/LA. The not probing LLD when he had voiced suspicion of her added to that afterwards. Then later on re-evaluation I saw that neither of those points are so decidedly scummy as I thought they were (the latter one in particular). Still think he's slightly scummy, but don't think he should be lynched today.
Also Shadoweh is abominable. Lynch with fire.
--cut
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 01:08:08 PM
My kingdom for a Pesco post.
One with actual content, I mean. 8 hours aren't a lot!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 01:08:45 PM
Shadoweh case: Content = Tunnel Serela + otherwise mostly throwaway stuff (in particular no reads) -> vote BT The tunnel by itself doesn't mean that much because she's done it now and then. The laying low added to that? Hang please.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 01:35:55 PM
Seriously, just skim over the game and look at her posts. Then vote accordingly.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 03, 2012, 01:49:17 PM
My vote on LLD was just to prove a point; if it were a serious vote I would have kept it. Her antics this game are irritating me, but I don't think she's scum. There are a few others I'd lynch before her.
I don't have a non-waffly opinion on you because your play viscerally reminds me of Iffrita, but the votes on you are individually pretty bad and I can't really pinpoint what my gut is trying to say about you (not to mention my gut was wrong about you in previous games). But I already said you weren't a good vote for today anyway.
As for who I think is scum, that's the tricky one. I'm pretty apprehensive at the wagons right now because I think we're collectively barking up the wrong tree(s). I'm actually going to go back and ##Vote: BT because Dan's posts read better to me on reread and I suspect BT's psuedo-capitulation at the end of our exchange was an attempt at appeasement. I think BT saw Dan's post before his, saw an easy way to get involved with a vote, and jumped on. What differentiates Dan from the other non-content posters such as Pesco, for instance? BT hasn't been very involved with the game otherwise, and I still think his responses to me are slippery with regards to how he was pushing the Dan case.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
I'm seeing it, but not quite sure which of him and Shadoweh to lynch. What do you think of a Shadoweh lynch?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 03, 2012, 03:05:42 PM
It is 0 days, 7 hours, 54 minutes, 28 seconds
until Wednesday, 4 July 2012, 09:00:00 (Sydney time)
FFS
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 03:31:55 PM
Shadoweh needs to die so I'm fine with where my vote is. The post where she votes BT is just... I have no words. What is this :I If you don't see Shadoweh!scum you probably should go reread her posts and realize how crappy they all are.
She's by far the only person I feel comfortable about lynching right now. I can sort of see some reasons why I miiight go for BT scum but not interested because there's Shadoweh.
Also what's this TK thing people are talking about in relation to Pesco? I have no idea what this TK thing is.
Conq is probably town, and not in the way he was last game where I shot him a couple hours later.
HW being all "Me and rawr are waiting for you to post in our QT ;_;" is funnier in hindsight now that we know they're ~*~actually masons~*~.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 03:36:14 PM
wait shadoweh voted bt? what :|
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 03:37:32 PM
im sure shadoweh has a good explanation for not doing anymore then me :V(remembers path of radiance)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 03:37:38 PM
ITT: you don't vote him. Also no, not interested. Why are you voting Hw again LLD?
no time now. I'll be here 1 hour before deadline.
Neko's responses are scummy. Justification of Vote is still something like: HW :mad: at LLD when he shouldn't be = "Vote:HW" Still no indication why this makes HW scummy or anything of the like.
Oddly Kilga pinging my gut. Seems too aloof.
as far as wagons go I'd vote Serela over Shadoweh because Serela is lurk-a-derping and fuck my town reads. Not that Shadoweh is off the table. Could go for LLD and Kilga but I'll take Shadoweh to a lynch over those two.
Still think Neko is best wagon.
-cut. Ok nvm. Serela not interested in.
W/e I'll go Neko --> Shadoweh. Will support the strongest wagon by deadline.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Pesco on July 03, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
Justification of Vote is still something like: HW :mad: at LLD when he shouldn't be = "Vote:HW" Still no indication why this makes HW scummy or anything of the like.
No indication why this makes Neko scummy either.
By the way, no, would not lynch. Can we just lynch Omba please?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 04:30:00 PM
rawr is telling the truth, I am indeed Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Mason). I didn't really read the flavor because it was some anime mopey shit but the ability is called Friends For Life? on my end. Crumbs should be pretty obvious I guess.
Catching up but wanted to address this first because he said he claimed in the quicktopic
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 04:33:07 PM
inb4danhitsonhuhwhat
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
Also what's this TK thing people are talking about in relation to Pesco? I have no idea what this TK thing is.
Pesco is a teamkiller who doesn't read his role PM then tunnels on his scumbuddies
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Pesco on July 03, 2012, 04:47:34 PM
Like an invatation to the crazy carnival
##Vote: HW
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 04:47:58 PM
Quick work post. Don't get used to these.
> Too aloof > Day 1
lel
TK = character from show. My understand that he is only character in show worth Mafia RPing.
Gutjerk away from BT lynch, still don't remember much of him throughout day but both BT votes sketchy at best.
Whoever asked: Shadowert's vote bad and meaningful presence very little otherwise. This worse than Akinity or NNR who have both tried harder if nothing else.
Can someone please post an Omba case summary for me to digest when I get home? Thanks.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 05:15:44 PM
I really appreciate the dedication of you guys to make 2 new pages of Mafia every time I wake up in the morning and barely post at all when I'm actually awake
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
Also in before "What the fuck Dormio learn to count"
I'll make a serious post soon
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 05:28:53 PM
Dormio your votals still suck, you have two people with 2 votes at 1 vote (cut by same thing but keeping this because for fuck's sake dormio)
##Unvote ##Vote: NekoNekoRex (L-4) a while ago, rawr and I agreed that his vote on me looked opportunistic as hell when he made it because he was basically piggy-backing off LLD's set-up. "LLD was baiting votes" (which she still wasn't) in no where implies those votes are going to be scum-sourced. I also see scum taking the side less likely to flip out on them in response in this argument, it's something Omba did four-five or so games ago. this is why I asked him for a full LLD read earlier, and I'm not sold on his reasons for seeing her as town since they basically boil down to NNR not holding LLD accountable for bad posts because she dropped the case (she didn't even admit it was bad)
HOWEVER none of this make sense unless LLD is town so I've been hesitant to do anything about it, but right now I can't really see this day getting anywhere if I just assume LLD has already flipped scum even though her posts are still inexplicably awful
second choice would be Omba, Shadoweh wagon in hindsight looks like it was a fallback option if my wagon evaporated, and that's pretty much how he played the jump. he mentioned skimming recent games but I see no actual evaluation of Shadoweh's recent play in comparision to her current game paired with his actual vote.
a Shadoweh lynch would basically be a policy lynch, all the dumb things she's doing here are pretty much her generic town play and nothing about her logic stands out as unusually scummy. I can't see myself voting for her with town's wincon in mind, Serela looks worse to me here because I think his posts are in part made to appease Shadoweh's assumptions about his scum play gut pings on Conq really oddly btw but don't actually have anything concrete
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 05:37:49 PM
I think huhwhat is okay now due to explanations and such; firmly on his side against the ridiculous Neko and Omba votes, and I would rather them hammered than him. Lol at the 'pretending that it's not reaction bait thing' being used as a serious point.
I don't get either argument here. Omba's vote is pretty bad, I can agree. Voting over "pretending LLD isn't being serious" seems far-reaching, although it also stands as a valid point and shouldn't be dismissed entirely. I dislike Omba's vote but I still think there's a hint of truth in it.
All the stuff that Conq says seems pretty wise, I think he's leaning pretty far town to me
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Oh god it hurts to be awake and read words. It is way too god damn late to be starting new wagons here. My opinion on huh what wagon RE: NO. Was going to sheep to Conq but I like bt to so where's next voting block committee no wait rereading says maybe conq is onto something so i will sheep to braim ##Unvote ##Vote: BT If Serale comes back with a 'sry gais' i would love if we all just piled onto him like a domino tower so i can gloat huh what are you trying to post after Pesco every single time on purpose or do you jiust like being weird angery for no reason rawr come vote BT we have cookies
What the hell is Shadoweh even doing? He doesn't make a lick of sense and he just sticks his vote on BT for no reason? What the fuck?
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Since apparently huhwhat is a wagon(incredibly horrible one at that) just going to say that me and him are masons and ##unvote ##vote:Neko
Is derping in Mafia an olymic sport now? Cmon guys, get serious here.
Also what's with all this "backtrack" business? Is that the codeword for "im scum" now? I sure hear it getting thrown around alot.
Still got a page of this shit to go
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
FUCKING
GENDER
PRONOUNS
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 03, 2012, 05:44:08 PM
It was a joke, like how i dont think dan actually would think that of pesco :ohdear:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 05:57:45 PM
I think I'm going to use some clearly insane reasoning here and say that I don't think I can continue finding huhwhat scum if LLD doesn't also think that Huhwhat is scummy enough to vote. ##Unvote
Inb4 "lol scumbuddies with LLD, kill Neko"
Anyways I think I'm going to switch to ##Vote: Shadoweh
If scum strategy is "act as derpy as possible so Town will ignore you" then Shadoweh is on the right track here. Out of all the derp players she's the worst.
HA I CORRECTED MY GENDER PRONOUNS THIS TIME! I AM VICTORIOUS
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 05:58:27 PM
No one is shooting the fucking masons. We do not need to test the claim. The mafia can test it for us with their own bullets.
So uh.. is anyone going to actually say what's bad about my post or are they going to keep going "OMG terrible post lynch"? Your united opinion on my sleeptalking is cute but none of you are telling me why it's scummy to vote BT. I'm sorry I couldn't join you on your wagons on A) Me B) Jesus but I like third options that might actually be scum.
>_> there are no wagons. For gods sake we have five hours. You might not even be able to pull my lynch at this rate.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 05:59:57 PM
Shadoweh, thoughts on Neko wagon?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 06:03:02 PM
Also, since we're pressed for time, I'm Yui, GirlDeMo Vocalistand I'm just Vanilla Town. I have the power to be really annoying-nyan! Dormio is getting punched multiple times when this game ends-nyan!
Is there actually a wagon? I don't have a read on him either way but he's voting me so obviously he should be lynched for being an enemy of the state.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
a wagon of "dan + masons", yeah
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Confirmation
Post by: Pesco on July 03, 2012, 06:04:11 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
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The mafia can test it for us with their own bullets.
Best reasoning. If I know anything about Mafia it's that scum will always shoot who they think is most likely to not get Doc'd and whatever is most likely to be unhelpful to town. Plus shooting a Mason just confirms the other one as a townie, that's no good.
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Your united opinion on my sleeptalking is cute but none of you are telling me why it's scummy to vote BT.
Because you basically have been posting a bunch of rubbish without actually justifying any of it? I find the fact you're just making an excuse to justify your bad posting appalling.
Are you actually going to contribute?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
I haven't excused it. If I thought my play was decent I'd be more appauled at basically being the only viable lynch target right now. But it doesn't mean people should be allowed to join a 'It's terrible' chorus and not be called out for it. Scum will shoot the people they have to, and even if they don't want to shoot rawr, they're going to shoot huh what eventually and rawr is going to be confirmed town because of it. I think you trying to encourage the town they need to remove the weak mason link while ignoring the strong one is pretty scummy itself.
Dan + Masons sounds like a pretty townie wagon sooo ##Unvote ##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 06:12:23 PM
I am twitching. Literally twitching. That's how bad this is.
Huh What claiming Mason with Rawr is... Interesting.
We need to test that claim BEFORE lylo. Bullets are welcome.
As for lynching today..... Shadoweh isn't the lynch for today.
I prefer a Vote: Conq .
Awful. Good god.
and Neko says that mafia won't shoot. ha.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
Pesco: if you're implying that's a scumslip, it's not. I play on a site where they use the ipb3 PM system for scum communication (Conq can attest to this) and wasn't thinking so yeah
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 06:19:18 PM
Good vig shots: LLD, Kilga.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 06:21:40 PM
I think I'm going to use some clearly insane reasoning here and say that I don't think I can continue finding huhwhat scum if LLD doesn't also think that Huhwhat is scummy enough to vote. ##Unvote
Inb4 "lol scumbuddies with LLD, kill Neko"
Anyways I think I'm going to switch to ##Vote: Shadoweh
If scum strategy is "act as derpy as possible so Town will ignore you" then Shadoweh is on the right track here. Out of all the derp players she's the worst.
HA I CORRECTED MY GENDER PRONOUNS THIS TIME! I AM VICTORIOUS
This is not what town says after learning your vote was on a mason.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
I think I'm going to use some clearly insane reasoning here and say that I don't think I can continue finding huhwhat scum if LLD doesn't also think that Huhwhat is scummy enough to vote.
Crazy insane enough for me to understand nothing of it, yes.
Not happy with wagons. Neko's switch to Shadoweh is pretty bad seeing as he settled for mediocre justification over the obvious Not Me Over Me that he's pulling. Slowly gravitating towards Neko lynch > Shadoweh lynch, but, like, can we not just vote Omba instead and avoid all that? :U
Can someone please post an Omba case summary for me to digest when I get home? Thanks.
Involvement on my wagon was very minor, was basically cheerleading. Switch to HW was opportunistic and plain bad otherwise. Switch to Shadoweh is similar and was covered by HW:
You have ~4.5 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
We could lynch Omba, he is right there and all. I was debating it while sleepthinking, but I remember something about Omba seeming town somewhere. Then again I just read like 2-3 posts from him about how terrible I am so maybe I'm biased. >_>
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 06:34:18 PM
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This is not what town says after learning your vote was on a mason.
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possibly because we're confirmed town masons
:nowords:
##Unvote ##Vote: Actiondan
This isn't going to help my now inevitable lynch but I might as well try.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 06:35:21 PM
Just wondering, but where did all this shooting talk come from anyway?
#259 is agreeable. God dammit Dan, I'm clearly trying to establish a scum read here and you're not helping.
shadowehcut: "Something about him seems town", yeah, I've been there. Earlier today, in fact.
Nekocut: And now I think I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 06:35:39 PM
We could lynch Omba, he is right there and all. I was debating it while sleepthinking, but I remember something about Omba seeming town somewhere. Then again I just read like 2-3 posts from him about how terrible I am so maybe I'm biased. >_>
deadline isn't actually far away enough that you don't have time to read the thread
scum doesn't want confirmed townies piling up because it becomes easier to catch them on PoE
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 06:40:00 PM
I supose not. You'll have to forgive me for not answering everyone exactly for awhile then. Rex, if what I'm getting is that you're misunderstanding the idea. Masons are confirmed town to each other here. I have absolute confidence that the scum team cannot afford to leave a confirmed town huh what alive until endgame because he is a good player. As long as he can keep Rawr on the same page as him he'll even be a doublevoting confirmed town. If you don't want to get lynched, your best bet besides me is Omba right now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 06:41:14 PM
Before I start making a text wall on why Actionan is scum since that's my now apparent last desperate attempt to save myself, here's a claim.
I'm Fujimaki, Delinquient (Vanilla Townie) My inability to swim isn't helping much when I'm about to drown in a pool of angry townie votes. Also there's a bit in here about sacrificing myself for the greater good. How ironic.
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If you don't want to get lynched, your best bet besides me is Omba right now.
With reasoning like that why would I vote you? That just sounds stupid.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 06:56:37 PM
So pretty much from the start Actiondan seems like he's just been jumping on easy targets. He parked a vote on Pesco for "being wierd", and that's basically the only competent thing he does until #158, where he makes a bunch of weaksauce reads on other townies and decides to focus on me, bringing up a shitty RVS post of mine and voting me for my own acknowledged waffliness on huhwhat, which I proceed to justify for awhile by actively debating with huhwhat.
After proceeding to to absolutely nothing until now, his stance basically boils down to "lol nonspecific scumread on NNR, also here's a bunch of weak reads on others" and makes offhand comments on lynching Shadoweh
Conclusion: Dan has only been on easy wagons the entire game, contributed almost nothing.
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W/e I'll go Neko --> Shadoweh. Will support the strongest wagon by deadline.
Best quote.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 07:03:24 PM
I am making this post because I like
post
trains
Choo Choo
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
Let's assume that the chance for a Dan wagon happening is outrageously higher than it really is. Let's also assume that it doesn't happen. Who do you vote?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
Hell if I know, you people are all so null or town-leaning it hurts
Shadoweh lynch doesn't seem viable now that he's stopped acting like a complete looney. I haven't looked too hard into Kilga yet either. Omba is weird but not weird enough to wagon. Misguided more like.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 07:14:28 PM
Also I hate to be the one to say it but why aren't people pressing Pesco more for actual content?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
Kilga is totally boring and and has been in the sidelines most of the game, apparently, so it's hard to comment on. My gut doesn't say bad about her so she's not really persuable either
People I have left to put effort in reading are... Serela and... that's about it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
My non-town reads aside from dan basically boil down to some gut I have on Affinity and that's about it.
:/
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 07:29:33 PM
Kilga is totally boring and and has been in the sidelines most of the game, apparently, so it's hard to comment on. My gut doesn't say bad about her so she's not really persuable either
for future reference, the only people who have played mafia here any time recently and are female are uncertainkitten, k4u, lld, shadoweh and drrawr
how was your own wagon "easy" for dan to vote when nobody else was voting you at the time?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 07:34:31 PM
Also I hate to be the one to say it but why aren't people pressing Pesco more for actual content?
We know we won't get anywhere.
That being said, there will be no excuses if he doesn't provide a more... normal post at D2 start, after we've got (probably) 2 flips.
I don't know why you're suddenly saying Shadoweh isn't a viable lynch any more, Neko. She's still one of the biggest two wagons and I doubt that her making a couple mostly inconsequential posts is going to make everyone jump off her.
I'm also actually agreeing (gasp) with Shadoweh that the more Neko posts the less I think he's scum, here.
....the fact that I'm agreeing with her and she's talking -against- the most likely not-her lynch is making it harder for me to keep voting her, too :/
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 07:42:47 PM
:/ You know the more he posts the less I'm feeling this. Why aren't we swinging an Omba wagon?
you know, I feel similarly, but I don't want to pussy out just out just yet. He's objectively scummy, and I can't tell if he's playing for voter sympathies.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 07:43:25 PM
:/ You know the more he posts the less I'm feeling this. Why aren't we swinging an Omba wagon?
I'd be willing to go for Omba instead but still want NNR to clarify his Dan case some more, I don't agree that Dan's targets have actually been easy wagons
also if you could actually read the thread and post thoughts on the wagons that aren't sheeping that'd be great
same for the dude who just cut me with ~no opinions whatsoever~
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
(serela, not dan)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 07:44:36 PM
Neko, Shadoweh, Me, Conq, HW, Rawr. These people are probably town!
Out of the rest, Pesco isn't getting lynched today because we'd get almost nothing out of it even if he DID flip scum, much less if he flipped town.
So then there's BT, Omba, Dan, Affinity, Kilga, LLD. Now that I've organized my thoughts, thinkin time.
##unvote
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 07:45:16 PM
Yes HW I don't have opinions because the person I wanted to murderkill suddenly looks like maybe actually town. ;_;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 07:45:26 PM
I'd be willing to go for Omba instead but still want NNR to clarify his Dan case some more, I don't agree that Dan's targets have actually been easy wagons
also if you could actually read the thread and post thoughts on the wagons that aren't sheeping that'd be great
same for the dude who just cut me with ~no opinions whatsoever~
If you're taking to me, I'm at work and I really shouldnt be doing this. I'm posting alotting myself 20 sec each post
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
I'm going to ##Vote Omba for the sake of Not-Shadoweh/Neko over Shadoweh-Neko, but then I'm going to reread her to make sure I don't go "Uh nevermind that's retarded." And then I'm gonna look over those other people.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 07:55:49 PM
yeah I'm okay with voting omba
I'd consider voting LLD but I don't think we'd get anything out of it at all if she flipped town at this point, so no. A kilga lynch isn't happening today anyway so I can't give enough of a damn to reread him right now. That leaves BT and Dan :D I can go reread them now, sure. Weren't people voting them recently? W/E, off to do that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 07:58:25 PM
fyi serela you're supposed to hunt scum by telling us who is scum, not who you don't think is town
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:00:37 PM
"who you're not reading as town" is a better way to word that
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 08:04:00 PM
I personally feel like I'm an easy target because I post wierd and self-acknowledgingly admit some of of my reasons for voting/unvoting/reading people are probably kooky. I feel like expressing my train of thought as I'm thinking it up is a good idea and makes it easy to rate at the expense of being an easy target for paranoid folk and opportunistic scum. Basically I think Dan was jumping on me because my posts look weird/waffly/counter-intuitive and not because he thinks they're actually scummy.
Shadoweh is easy because his posts made no sense and looks full of derp and not-trying. As compared to now where he's actually contributing and making sense and not just making passive/sarcastic comments on posts and posting "contributive" gibberish like he was before.
I don't really feel Omba but I suppose if it'll NMOM I'll be forced to bite.
Which flip do you guys think will reveal more? Me or Omba?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 08:05:14 PM
Well Omba could actually be SCUM, so
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
serela, this is a list of people you currently actually think are scum:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 08:10:19 PM
QUIET YOU D:
/me goes back to rereading
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
":nowords:" Explain what you meant by this? Did you just miss they were masons?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:12:49 PM
you had better have some actual scum reads when you finish that. "this guy isn't my town read" is the easiest way for scum to push a mislynch without being held accountable for it. you're basically proving everything shadoweh said about you earlier true if you're scum and i would vote you right now for an incredibly flimsy return if your wagon hadn't died out
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 08:14:16 PM
gdi shadoweh why do you have to be right about serela
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 08:16:39 PM
Will support Serela or Dan wagons if not enough people support an Omba wagon. We're not lynching Shadoweh nor Neko. We are also lynching, as in, reaching majority. There are less than three hours remaining. People should start changing votes now so we know where we stand. -_-
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
@dan: Debating the issue is only going to bring about a bunch of WIFOM and other nonsense that wouldn't get me anywhere. When I unvoted huhwhat I didn't actually put any consideration into the fact he claimed mason, and I no longer wished to vote him regardless of that fact. I stated my reasons for unvoting him already.
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you had better have some actual scum reads when you finish that. "this guy isn't my town read" is the easiest way for scum to push a mislynch without being held accountable for it. you're basically proving everything shadoweh said about you earlier true if you're scum and i would vote you right now for an incredibly flimsy return if your wagon hadn't died out
shhh, now he knows better and might even correct himself
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
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for future reference, the only people who have played mafia here any time recently and are female are uncertainkitten, k4u, lld, shadoweh and drrawr
I will forever keep this handy on a notepad I will use everytime I ever consider playing Mafia on this forum.
Who wants to put bets down my next gender pronoun will be wrong?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Well my current opinion is Serela is probably town now, so there's an update for you. Since you're growling at him I should say why, if he were scum he would at least be able to offhand mention why two other people are bad. Also because he's here being a derp. I can't think of a scum game where he didn't lurk through the last few hours.
Fuck Rereading Omba does remind me why I think he's town. He's been pretty uh.. consistant in his hate for me. >_> What BT said Re: SWWTBTT. Omba spent as many of his posts as possible wifoming about the box without making any opinions on players. Like, never mentioning them at all. In this game the first thing he did is start jumping on people ramming questions down their throats. FUCK I don't want to vote him either now AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Also his gut was true because masons are like scumbuddies.
So gathering my balls of fun, Town is Huh what, Rawr, Serela, Omba, LLD, and I think Kilga. Weaker town is NNR and I always like Dan and Conq but it might be the poetry and Celes pic. That leaves.. BT, Pesco, Affinity. Mmm. Pesco is unreadable. I don't think I've read Affinity at all actually. Bleh this isn't working out.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
What BT said Re: SWWTBTT. Omba spent as many of his posts as possible wifoming about the box without making any opinions on players. Like, never mentioning them at all. In this game the first thing he did is start jumping on people ramming questions down their throats. FUCK I don't want to vote him either now AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This is wrong not only because "lol meta" but because the comparison is wrong. That game had the box to generate box discussion. This game had no equivalent to the box. Who knows? Maybe Omba would have started SYWTBTT a lot more direct if the box wasn't there.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
i think that's too generous of a clear. not only is it only one sample, if scum is aware of their town meta they'll go out of their way to play to it
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 08:26:40 PM
Yeah look at the parts that happened -after- the box and then come vote Omba with us :3c
BT is null, maybe a little on the townier side but :shrug:, on to reading Affinity/Dan
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
i think that's too generous of a clear. not only is it only one sample, if scum is aware of their town meta they'll go out of their way to play to it
this was addressed toward what shadoweh said about omba but applies to pretty much any meta clear. meta clears are stupid
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:31:40 PM
also not switching anywhere until we get Actual Scum Reads from serela and shadoweh. i'm not interested in starting any more wagons that end in people going "no wait, nevermind, I think this dude's town" because people aren't reading the thread and playing Mafia, especially when we already have four claims outed today
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 08:32:10 PM
so I realize this is realllllly suspicious timing but
this is gonna be my only chance to piggyback a ride to the grocery store while my brother goes and does other things. Because I can fit almost no groceries into my motor scooter and need his car.
so I'm gonna be gone for awhile! Uhm. Yeah.
/me poofs
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 08:34:15 PM
Fair enough.
I guess we're waiting for LLD and Kilga and Pesco then?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:34:25 PM
will you be back before deadline?
alternately we can wait for another pesco post, if he doesn't vote shadoweh he's probably scum
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
;_; Okay geez. Seriously though people don't change often. I would imagine he would substitute wondering about an alignment instead of making direct statements if there wasn't a box.
There are two hours left so I don't really have time to do what you're asking for. Rereading is not making things clearer to me. So far I've seen you, Dan, BT, Rex and myself here. Who CAN we lynch at this point?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 08:36:11 PM
I think Rawr is around too?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
So far I've seen you, Dan, BT, Rex and myself here. Who CAN we lynch at this point?
That's enough to get Omba to L-1!
Okay running out the door. HW:Not sure, he's going to be doing errands while I'm actually doing the grocery shopping, not sure how long he'll take. Isn't deadline like 3 hours away? I can't see it taking much more then an hour at most.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 08:38:30 PM
Heading home, vroom vroom.
No longer interested in Shadoweh lynch. Will unvote @ home, but Christ where was this all first 48 hours.
NNR unvote reason is eyerolling, but sudden gutjerk to Serela (herp) after last slew of posts. Will look at them and Omba summary when I get home.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 08:41:22 PM
the deadline's about a hour and a half
People we have enough votes to lynch: Shadoweh, Omba, NekoNekoRex, perhaps Serela (given BT support + Kilga cut + rawr saying he'd vote Serela with me in the ~Scum Quicktopic~)
I'm still bugged by Rex because the Dan lynch isn't happening, yet like Serela and Shadoweh, he's not really coming up with any solid preferences on the potential lynch targets
will be afk for ~30 minutes, possibly less
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 08:42:33 PM
Pretty sure it's 2+ hours, not 1+. And yes, I'd support that Serela wagon.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 08:48:20 PM
@dan: Debating the issue is only going to bring about a bunch of WIFOM and other nonsense that wouldn't get me anywhere. When I unvoted huhwhat I didn't actually put any consideration into the fact he claimed mason, and I no longer wished to vote him regardless of that fact. I stated my reasons for unvoting him already.
Nvm, Neko is scum. Bolded is not a town thought process. mason claim should supersede sheeping a LLD unvote. Even after you unvoted HW, you did not support the idea that a vig shouldn't shoot the claimed masons. Instead you argued that mafia could shoot anyone. You obviously don't know what to think. Any town member would want to protect the claimed masons immediately. There is absolutely no WIFOM or anything else here.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 08:49:56 PM
You realize this is after I've been eyerolling at "lol confirmed town because masons" right?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 08:51:22 PM
Where did I say anything about vigs? My only opinion on nightroles so far is that "Mafia can shoot whoever the hell they want because they're mafia, prediction is stupid"
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 08:54:10 PM
We current have 130 minutes, which is 2 hours.
Don't lynch Serela. >_> I have been touched and seen the light. He is now my townie friend and we're going to make derp posts together. Someone has to start the leap of faith so I will do the Wheee ##Unvote ##Vote: Omba Kilga: I think I was getting resigned to being a target. But this thing where there is no target and I'm seriously worried about a no-lynch is way worse.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 08:56:02 PM
Where did I say anything about vigs? My only opinion on nightroles so far is that "Mafia can shoot whoever the hell they want because they're mafia, prediction is stupid"
You only said that to argue with Shadoweh who said that the mafia would most likely shoot the masons so there was no point for a vig to shoot one of them.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 08:58:13 PM
I was going to ask Kilga about that time when he said the Just lynch in CotA was a travesty and ask how that was any different from what Shadoweh was doing this game wrt Serela/One vote but, uh yeah.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 08:59:04 PM
You only said that to argue with Shadoweh who said that the mafia would most likely shoot the masons so there was no point for a vig to shoot one of them.
are you pulling this out of thin air I can't even read this sentence correctly
I mix "nightkill" and "shoot" interchangably.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
I was going to ask Kilga about that time when he said the Just lynch in CotA was a travesty and ask how that was any different from what Shadoweh was doing this game wrt Serela/One vote but, uh yeah.
Where'd this vote come from. Remind me?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
I do think NNR and Omba are good choices to start though. I would not be surprised if the three people on my wagon were town. Rawr is confirmed so it's already 2/3. I do not believe that all four people voting huh what who was in my opinion driving the game had good intentions. Pesco isn't going to get lynched today at least. Omba fled the wagon like it was on fire. Neko started arguing with the town about why they could possibly want to not lynch or kill the confirmed masons. That alone tells me he is too far off the deep end to be a scum bag. I'm willing to put my money on this option here.
Dan, do you think that both of Neko's scum buddies are absent right now? I can't imagine them letting him dig himself a hole this deep with what sounds like misconstruing what masons mean in the first place.
STOP CUTTING ME
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:01:04 PM
Dan is trying his best to point at stuff to stop the Neko massclear. Extra scum points to you!
I didn't know Australia had 65 minutes in an hour
STOP CUTTING ME
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 09:01:53 PM
Don't like Omba's interactions with the Shadoweh, huhwhat, and BT wagons (seriously look at his Shadoweh case). Think BT is potentially town after his heart-to-heart. Could lynch Serela over Shadoweh as previously stated, but not as confident as with Omba lynch. NNR doesn't actually look that scummy to me (disclaimer: have only skimmed the recent stuff). Worst thing is his paranoia case on Dan, but could be chalked up to inexperience.
if you're thinking about DBG + Kuribo then it was for more. Otherwise I don't believe you. :paranoia: - please.
Fate + RBT in Fire Emblem something actually. In any case why would you autobelieve mason claims? The best way to deal with the claim is to let night actions sort them out.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 09:07:17 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:09:45 PM
So what kind of secret tell is this?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:10:10 PM
Tell Rawr not to hammer. We're still waiting on Pesco!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 09:10:35 PM
say what you want about LLD's meta, town doesn't throw a tantrum and deny the town D1 lynch just because nobody would last minute wagon somebody there was no interest in lynching, sorry
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 09:10:54 PM
*deny town the
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 09:11:22 PM
If you can govern, then hammer and govern him LLD so we can not have to hurry 5 minutes before lynch to make a new wagon. If you can't then please continue making that face at the lynch. B)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 09:11:49 PM
ACTUALLY it would be better to lynch LLD so she can't self-gov but do we even have the manpower for that?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
I am a believer in letting people prove their claims. I still believe in the towniness so far anyways.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:14:52 PM
We probably do but at the same time no we're not lynching LLD for this stunt. She's crazy, sure, but surefire scum is just plain nope.
Secondary wagon for me would be Dan but I dunno if we have the support for that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 09:15:03 PM
I didn't think the whole "huhwhat is scum for falling for LLD's baitpost" would be as agreeable of an opinion i LLD herself didn't think that was the case, considering LLD is what huhwhat was tunneling at in the first place. I dismissed the claims as "D1 bullshit" until it became REALLY obvious you weren't joking around, and even then I hadn't really been sold on the idea "claimed mason = autotown" for awhile.
The claims were neither part of my reason for voting/unvoting nor was it anywhere in my thought process when I was considering staying on or leaving huhwhat's case. I unvoted huhwhat because he stopped looking scummy, not because of any reason involving claims.
I think I'll read these 7 new replies AFTER I've posted.
Make that 8
9
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 09:21:09 PM
Hum, let me try and ask you in a different way. Why does it matter how agreeable an opinion something is? Do you believe it was scummy for him to fall for the baitpost? Even if the person who did it changed her mind, it's YOUR opinion you should care about.
What experience do you have with Mason claims in general?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
I am a believer in letting people prove their claims.
I don't think she's an actual towngov. at best she's a townie fakeclaiming gov but there's no benifit for town to do that in this situation unless she seriously thinks "woah, nobody is supporting my hipster lynch which i didn't actually explain, better fakeclaim gov to force a last minute lynch on him that will fuck everybody over if i'm wrong"
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 09:28:35 PM
Hum, let me try and ask you in a different way. Why does it matter how agreeable an opinion something is? Do you believe it was scummy for him to fall for the baitpost? Even if the person who did it changed her mind, it's YOUR opinion you should care about.
It was the worst I'd seen that day, I thought it was scummy. I didn't have much to work with, that was still early-mid D1 I had a thought process of "if the person who made the baitpost stopped caring about the one who took the bait, clearly there must be bigger issues to worry about anyway then continuing on the trail even the baiter was bored of"
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What experience do you have with Mason claims in general?
It's been a number of games
...
Good games
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
##Unvote
Willing to support Conq lynch off top of head, like him less than other viable candidates. Need to research first though.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
I don't think she's an actual towngov. at best she's a townie fakeclaiming gov but there's no benifit for town to do that in this situation unless she seriously thinks "woah, nobody is supporting my hipster lynch which i didn't actually explain, better fakeclaim gov to force a last minute lynch on him that will fuck everybody over if i'm wrong"
Pretty much!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 09:31:17 PM
OFFICIAL PREFERRED VOTE TARGETS POWER RANKINGS
Want/Willing to vote: NNR, Serela, Conq Need quick readover to decide: Omba, BT Will not vote: Shadowert, Dan(, self)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 09:32:22 PM
Theory: Pesco is actually the cop who is acting as horribly as possible so that neither town nor scum would be willing to get rid of her, thus guaranteeing at least one cop result
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
Theory: Pesco is actually the cop who is acting as horribly as possible so that neither town nor scum would be willing to get rid of her, thus guaranteeing at least one cop result
why the fuck would you post this in public
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
It was the worst I'd seen that day, I thought it was scummy. I didn't have much to work with, that was still early-mid D1 I had a thought process of "if the person who made the baitpost stopped caring about the one who took the bait, clearly there must be bigger issues to worry about anyway then continuing on the trail even the baiter was bored of"
Okay but WHY was it scummy? What about his reaction was wrong? What about the ways he's acting changed your mind if it wasn't the mason claim?
I am wondering HOW you reacted when people claimed mason in the past. Answer honestly, huh what is a stalker and will hunt you down if you're lying. Did you suggest we should test it by lynching one of them, ignore them, dance the kookaracha?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 09:34:30 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
You people need to be more like Serela.
... Never thought I'd be saying that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 09:38:42 PM
So Kilga, answer my question about your vote on Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
Yes, because I'm going to concern myself with that now when there's 90 minutes to deadline and I have people to reread.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 03, 2012, 09:41:26 PM
^-^
Shadoweh and ActionDan need to die for their reactions.
I'll show you in a second here, but Omba/Conq have a connection that makes it impossiburu for them to be scum together.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
By page 5, Omba + Conq's concerns with BT are legit. BT defense suffers from confirmation bias. (unless it's bullshit, but I find the first more likely)
Disagree completely with Affinity's vote.
continuing.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:43:21 PM
Glad you agree that Conq is town.
Can you show Shadoweh's reactions that make her scum instead?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 03, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
Shit reaction test. Are you gonna tell me that your "vig should shoot a mason" was fake too?
No that's 100% real. Before lylo one of the masons needs to die. If the scum wanna do it for us, that's fine, but I'm not letting a mason claim into lylo.
Ever.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 09:48:21 PM
Notion to lynch Pesco ED2.
Again, what reactions make Shadoweh scum?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 09:48:53 PM
seriously LLD, why did you think the gov fakeclaim was a good idea at all
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 09:51:22 PM
Conq: Orrrrrrrrr you could just do your own research since I've talked about it in the past. Since I'm a great guy, I'll refer you to #134 and #149 specifically. I imagine you can take it from there.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
Quote
Okay but WHY was it scummy? What about his reaction was wrong? What about the ways he's acting changed your mind if it wasn't the mason claim?
I am wondering HOW you reacted when people claimed mason in the past. Answer honestly, huh what is a stalker and will hunt you down if you're lying. Did you suggest we should test it by lynching one of them, ignore them, dance the kookaracha?
I've never had a D1 Mason claim before. I'd probably be wary of the claim until one of them died. As scum I've made a crack scheme to claim as masons before, so it could go either way. Note all of my games before MotK have always had a large mix of newbs in the playerlist. My last few MotK games have been a bit of a relearning experience.
As for the former question, I thought hw's reaction was scummy because he was overreacting and jumping on what seemed like an obvious bait post, plus his weird jumps on Omba. I stopped voting him because he stopped tunneling LLD and got some better and more townie looking opinions.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 03, 2012, 09:52:17 PM
seriously LLD, why did you think the gov fakeclaim was a good idea at all
Because I got what I wanted out of it?
It was a perfect situation to see what sides people took on the Conq/Omba fence.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 09:53:05 PM
throwing this out here but kilga is town :o
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 09:55:02 PM
I am seriously starting to wonder if that's a real post restriction.
Yes this is a real post restriction. No I'm just messing with you stupid Shadoweh.
Neko I am not in the least distracted by whatever LLD is doing, answer my questions please. Don't cut me with a reply. >:< But that is fair enough. There's no need to be wary. The best way to make sure the scum answer the question for us is to let them know we won't do their work for them. And there's no need to worry about LYLO on Day 1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:04:58 PM
Reread Omba. Reads perfectly fine besides the one vote on HW. and I don't think that vote was soooo bad.
Not interested.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:05:35 PM
Mod where?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 10:08:32 PM
inb4 Pesco is a stickyvoter and seriously didn't look at his rolepm until after he first voted
Anyway. I'm leaning town on LLD now, as shocked as I am to admit this. Then Dan is probably scum. I had some more to say in this line of things but it was getting way ahead of myself to a dumb point so I nix'd it, probably will making a Dan case ED2. As for Omba's flip, I am excite! Let's see some red.
How far away is deadline again? :S
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 10:09:17 PM
Oh. 24 minutes.
SOMEONE HAMMER OMBA SERIOUSLY.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
Conq: Orrrrrrrrr you could just do your own research since I've talked about it in the past. Since I'm a great guy, I'll refer you to #134 and #149 specifically. I imagine you can take it from there.
Oh you. But w/e; it's highly probable we'll be able to continue this dialogue tomorrow.
Also, LLD can fuck off if she thinks as scum I would hurry home from work to post in mafia on the day my uncle is diagnosed with late stage cancer when I could easily just ignore the thread and let deadlines do their work. I usually refrain from saying stuff like this, but if you're town you need to seriously rework the way you play mafia because it's opaque at best and completely un-fun for your peers at worst. Seriously.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
Oh 50 minutes nevermind.
I saw 6:36 on the timestamp but the actual deadline is after that since he made the day longer then 72 hours slightly.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:10:30 PM
Update.
People need to stop trying to divert attention to Pesco.
Mind change: Unsold on NNR wagon. Believe he genuinely missed the significance of the miller claim in his vote switch. Words and actions since have seemed that of townie fighting for life (as much as it was perhaps a bit early for desperation). Would no longer lynch.
Need a little more time to differentiate between BT and Omba, have seen some things from both that I think people overblew, seen others I retched at. Picking through recent events now. Obviously prefer Omba to No Lynch.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 10:11:59 PM
This might sound stupid then but someone claimed miller?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
I think he meant mason.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 10:14:18 PM
Mind change: Unsold on NNR wagon. Believe he genuinely missed the significance of the miller claim in his vote switch. Words and actions since have seemed that of townie fighting for life (as much as it was perhaps a bit early for desperation). Would no longer lynch.
...someone is claiming miller?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Lexicat on July 03, 2012, 10:16:05 PM
Oh you. But w/e; it's highly probable we'll be able to continue this dialogue tomorrow.
Also, LLD can fuck off if she thinks as scum I would hurry home from work to post in mafia on the day my uncle is diagnosed with late stage cancer when I could easily just ignore the thread and let deadlines do their work. I usually refrain from saying stuff like this, but if you're town you need to seriously rework the way you play mafia because it's opaque at best and completely un-fun for your peers at worst. Seriously.
So you're trying to say you're... town because you ran home when your uncle had late stage cancer? Excuse me?
Also, what the hell is this? This is the first I've heard of this (and while I am sympathetic, I will ask you to leave your personal life out of this game. I won't have anyone accusing me of suggesting that they don't care about their family which is clearly not what I was doing.)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:18:11 PM
Well my current opinion is Serela is probably town now, so there's an update for you. Since you're growling at him I should say why, if he were scum he would at least be able to offhand mention why two other people are bad. Also because he's here being a derp. I can't think of a scum game where he didn't lurk through the last few hours.
Fuck Rereading Omba does remind me why I think he's town. He's been pretty uh.. consistant in his hate for me. >_> What BT said Re: SWWTBTT. Omba spent as many of his posts as possible wifoming about the box without making any opinions on players. Like, never mentioning them at all. In this game the first thing he did is start jumping on people ramming questions down their throats. FUCK I don't want to vote him either now AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Also his gut was true because masons are like scumbuddies.
So gathering my balls of fun, Town is Huh what, Rawr, Serela, Omba, LLD, and I think Kilga. Weaker town is NNR and I always like Dan and Conq but it might be the poetry and Celes pic. That leaves.. BT, Pesco, Affinity. Mmm. Pesco is unreadable. I don't think I've read Affinity at all actually. Bleh this isn't working out.
Don't lynch Serela. >_> I have been touched and seen the light. He is now my townie friend and we're going to make derp posts together. Someone has to start the leap of faith so I will do the Wheee ##Unvote ##Vote: Omba Kilga: I think I was getting resigned to being a target. But this thing where there is no target and I'm seriously worried about a no-lynch is way worse.
##Unvote ##Vote: Shadoweh
Seriously I hate this game. Shadoweh you had the chance to read through Affinity and BT and didn't take it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Miller, mason, same thing. I'm in a rush and suffering from Kisume Quest Withdrawl Syndrome.
BT 207 superbad, practically no substantial opinions. Could-be-this-could-be-that stuff. Appeasement that Conq mentioned certainly possible, though with BT's displayed attitude I woudln't be surprised if it was genuine.
Omba HW vote superbad. Plenty have gone over this. Shadowert vote also bad despite telegraph, original FoS was for being "terrible" without elaboration, and the eventual elaboration (220) was barely different outside of my original reasoning way back when with noting the BT vote tacked on. 221 also casefluff rhetoric that means nothing.
Not done with current events review (though quick look at Omba posting history points out he hasn't posted since), but presently prefer Omba lynch to BT lynch, as much as it looks like the former is more likely right now than any other lynch. Might as well finish up looking over BT though.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
Seriously I hate this game. Shadoweh you had the chance to read through Affinity and BT and didn't take it.
I did read through them. I didn't comment because I didn't draw any conclusions from it. "I read it and they're still null to me" isn't a very interesting opinion.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
So you're trying to say you're... town because you ran home when your uncle had late stage cancer? Excuse me?
Also, what the hell is this? This is the first I've heard of this (and while I am sympathetic, I will ask you to leave your personal life out of this game. I won't have anyone accusing me of suggesting that they don't care about their family which is clearly not what I was doing.)
-.- zzz No, I'm saying that I'm town and the way you frame the me/Omba non-dichotomy is stupid and is hugely frustrating especially since I think you could be this bone-headed as town. (And if I were scum I would have just lurked through this deadline, trufax; I wouldn't even be close to a prod)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:30:00 PM
Finished CE update, no real change in BT opinion since he didn't do a whole lot.
Dead line half hour, yiss? Anyone have vote count handy since Upside-Down Man is absent?
(Or I guess I could look it up for myself <_<)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
He's online now so I guess it's coming right up.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:32:17 PM
@Where the F is this mod?
Kilga's last post was pretty good actually. the FOS on Shadoweh by Omba in the HW post is something I saw and never double checked it. Also I disliked BT's 207 (which includes a backtrack on his initial vote on me), but other than that I don't think he's done anything else particularly scummy.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
I don't expect it to be done soon. I believe Conq is correct still about Omba being L-1. I have no idea what anyone else is at at this point. >_>
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 10:33:18 PM
I still think Dan is the scummiest
I'm feeling really ill, actually, so I don't know how much longer I can keep up being here till deadline
My vote is still on Dan if people want me to hammer Omba
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:38:11 PM
I did read through them. I didn't comment because I didn't draw any conclusions from it. "I read it and they're still null to me" isn't a very interesting opinion.
I just don't get why you're ok with this miracle wagon
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:39:09 PM
also if they null. why not vote them over Omba when the wagon was still young?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
Also ##Vote: Conqueror because I dislike not having my vote down somewhere. Dislike him asking me for unnecessary time-consuming things multiple times throughout the day, including the vote explanation just recently when my explanation had been provided before and I was obviously preoccupied with something more deadline-pertinent. Distracting and timewasting requests are not townie things.
(Ignoring most recent exchange with LLD for purposes of this opinion.)
Perfectly willing to switch to Omba before deadline as stated before, though.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 03, 2012, 10:41:50 PM
You have ~15 minutes remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=04&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:46:01 PM
owned
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 10:46:17 PM
omba is at l-1
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:46:28 PM
Also Omba is L-1, you have 6 bolded names but only a count of 5.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 10:46:41 PM
dormios too fast
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 10:48:07 PM
I'm not 'completely okay with it'. It's not even the first option I looked into if you'll remember correctly. What exactly are you suggesting I should have done?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:48:14 PM
Nope Conq is town.
Omba > Conq.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:48:35 PM
I'm not 'completely okay with it'. It's not even the first option I looked into if you'll remember correctly. What exactly are you suggesting I should have done?
I seriously don't know, depends on your opinion. I mean if I were in your shoes I think I would have said something like, "I don't think Omba is so scummy, let me look into X" or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 10:52:58 PM
##unvote ##vote: omba
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:53:04 PM
##Unvote ##Vote: Omba
*prays*
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 10:53:11 PM
hammer time
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:53:42 PM
<---- cannot click post fast enough
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 03, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
##Unvote ##Vote: Omba (L+2)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: BT on July 03, 2012, 10:54:27 PM
That's supermajority. Maybe.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 03, 2012, 10:56:18 PM
Rawr's avatar makes me bug out of reading page 15
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 03, 2012, 10:56:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YWHDxyRL4
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Shadoweh on July 03, 2012, 10:57:05 PM
I did the looking. I could not find someone that I could push to the point of driving an entire lynch that way confidently. And people were quite resistant to my ideas that Omba might not be scum. >_>
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
Not sure how good I'll be feeling tomorrow, hopefully better
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 03, 2012, 10:57:45 PM
The members of the AWF gathered around Omba, sticks at the ready. "He wasn't with us when we were fishing..." "Nobody saw him for the entire day..." "You're wrong! It wasn't me! I couldn't have done it, I was building my muscles in secret the entire time!" Naturally, the AWF didn't buy this lousy alibi and proceeded to hit Omba with sticks until he eventually stopped moving. Omba - Takamatsu, Honor Student(Doctor) was lynched D1. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Takamatsu.png)
It is now Night 1, you have 24 hours to send in any night actions that you may or may not have.
You have ~24 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=&day=05&month=07&year=2012&hour=09&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Omba on July 04, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
Cock (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/546077/arms_behind_back-ascot-bdsm-blush-bondage-bound_ar)bags (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/493020/blood-blue_hair-blush-bow-cheek_poke-drooling-gree). (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/514140/2girls-akeome-antennae-bad_id-blood-flower-flower_) (slightly NSFW because Danbooru)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 04, 2012, 11:03:45 PM
The AWF retired for the night, each of the members reflecting upon what they had just done. They had killed one of their own. They supposed that they should at least bury their dead. "But I'm not dead. That wouldn't even make sense here." Omba protested. They had just killed one of their own in cold blood. "But I'm not-" Omba was silenced by a liberal application of shovel to head. The AWF then dragged Omba's cold(warm), lifeless(kicking and screaming) body to the courtyard. However, before they could bury Omba, they found Pesco lying in the sun. Several of the members gasped, before quickly running over to Pesco's side. "He's... dead." Pesco - TK, Rapper(Vanilla Townie) was found dead N1. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/TK.jpg)
You have ~75 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: Serela on July 04, 2012, 11:24:03 PM
waaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttttttt
anyway don't expect me to post until tomorrow morning. 4th of July n' all.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 12:19:08 AM
So I investigated Shadoweh last night.
Vote:Shadoweh
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 12:24:16 AM
:I:I:I:I
I was going to say LLD should just fullclaim, but if Shadoweh isn't actually scum it's obvious we'd turbolynch her, so whatever. And scumbussing would be insane because LLD wasn't on the lynchblock and Shadoweh at this point could have realistically gone to endgame without being lynched.
So fine. I can stand my reason for clearing Shadoweh having been wrong. Apart from that she was pretty scumtastic D1, so, sure.
##Vote:Shadoweh
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
Decided that LLD's fakegov makes more sense for a selfish ego shoutfest breed of townie than scum and I'm just tunnely as fuck. No point in continuing to pursue that right now after Omba flipped town.
you had better have some actual scum reads when you finish that. "this guy isn't my town read" is the easiest way for scum to push a mislynch without being held accountable for it. you're basically proving everything shadoweh said about you earlier true if you're scum and i would vote you right now for an incredibly flimsy return if your wagon hadn't died out
See second sentence. First one needed to happen but it didn't since Serela just switched from not having Omba as a town read to saying Omba was totally flipping scum because ____. Doesn't look like real conviction.
I'm irritated with Shadoweh for similar reasons, but I don't think her actions are as scummy as fake conviction in lieu of actual scumhunting and don't expect her and Serela to be buddies. Still, what the hell, she literally didn't think anybody was scum at the end of the day and was voting Omba just to consolidate. I'd normally expect her to be more of a leader than a follower wrt last-minute wagons.
Could be convinced to vote Conq, didn't like how he heckled me for tunneling on LLD yet still found it reasonable to place a vote down on BT when there was no indication the support for a BT lynch wasn't completely dead. Looks indicative of hipster scum.
CUT TWICE. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Shadoweh (L-3) apparently i'm not smart why'd you go for shadoweh over conq though? would've rather seen results on him honestly
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 12:28:57 AM
Before I forget, I want no one to hammer before Shadoweh claims and I want no one to hammer before I give the say so.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 12:32:34 AM
seriously Serela where the fuck are your scum reads. You said you wouldn't post until tomorrow morning but came back to follow the cop anyway?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 12:37:51 AM
I claimed yesterday. What are you trying to pull here?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 12:39:26 AM
##Vote: Shadoweh
Would have done so without LLD post, since I changed my mind on her again overnight.
Case in nutshell: Votes yesterday were (1) player meta on a player she later changed her mind about, (2) total Conq piggyback, and (3) purely to secure a lynch. Had grand total of 0 scum reads at end of D1 (9 town, 2 null, 1 unreadable). Slid onto Omba train at good train-momentum-shift time for generically 'justified' reasoning of us needing lynch. Good chunk of late D1 posts were helping NNR along instead of "___ is scum because ___", which is faking towniness by acting helpful without being helpful.
Can clarify D1 reasons for this vote for Conq if he wishes later, since this case is those and them some.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 12:41:57 AM
HW:I'm busy, basically. But "follow the cop" doesn't really require me rereading the thread to make that Dan case I said I'd make. By the way, that's my scum read! I totally had one at the end of D1, see? ;_;
Shadoweh:So you're maintaining that you're Vanilla Townie, just to be clear?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 12:43:44 AM
yeah but it wasn't from re-reading, you literally had no valid scum read until the last few hours of the day. a part of me wonders if you and Shadoweh were bussing eachother given the abrupt drop near the end of the day because what the fuck man
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 12:46:37 AM
LLD and Kilga: what do you think of Serela, even in light of the Shadoweh scan?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 05, 2012, 12:47:25 AM
Serela is pretty, uhhh, awful. I imagine him with a piece of burnt toast in his mouth every time he runs late for school or whatever. Only gleam in all this Serela is his switch away from Shadoweh, and since it's proactive and all, it seems somewhat town, but is it really, when all Shadoweh had done is vote away from Neko for agreeable reasons? The way Shadoweh and Serela embrace each other tearfully seems weird, and it may not be so after all. Serela deserves some scrutiny if Shadoweh flips scum due to all of this.
Uhh... rereading.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 12:52:33 AM
Huh what your pre-flip theories about my bussing is depressing already. I'm not a miller. It doesn't make sense for a bus driver to want to redirect off a scum onto me, I don't tend to come off a Day 1 looking that bad later. Similar reason a framer wouldn't make much sense. It's kind of early for a scum to claim cop when I'm not that hard of a lynch, and why waste on a Vanilla? So I come to two conclusions.
1) You're insane. 2) You're trolling.
It's hard to be a leader when you don't believe in the directions you're going. If I'd had an investigate I would have looked into BT. I think that would have made a better last minute wagon. I even tried to make it viable but I don't recall anyone being willing to lynch him at all.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 01:02:38 AM
Since none of you are listening to me today I'm going to flagrantly speculate on who would kill Pesco last night.
Suspect #1: Kilgamayan. - My gut says that Kilga would rid the world of Pesco so he stops spamming up the thread with that annoying posting 'style'. Also if I were Kilga worrying about who might actually figure me out, I'd be looking at him. Suspect #2: NekoNekoRex. - He's the one that posted that cop theory. Maybe he actually believed it? Suspect #3: Conqueror. - I blame anything weird that happens on Conq. Also seems like the type to take advantage of an easy good player kill while not having any blame for it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:07:07 AM
Actually I investigated Shadoweh ##LLD
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:08:04 AM
##Vote: LLD
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 01:10:35 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 05, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
Mafia is so interesting as after-meal popcorn.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 01:19:21 AM
what the fuck
Dan is lying scum, I'm the Town Cop and I investigated Shadoweh last night.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 05, 2012, 01:20:58 AM
HUH WHAT LLD ACTIONDAN ALL LIES I AM THE TOWN COP
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:21:31 AM
Quote
I think Bardiche is the cop.
##Vote Bardiche
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 01:26:16 AM
NO I AM SPARTACUS!
This is like that time a few months ago all the police kicked me out of my house ;_; I still think she's trolling. I will be cheerfully watching One Piece while people continue to ignore the mafia game we're playing here
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 01:26:26 AM
Still on phone away from home, cannot elaborate too much.
Vote stays on Shadowert despite recent claims, find her scummy for scummy actions instead of role nonsense. Implication that I would kill Pesco because he was 'annoying' is both laughable and insulting; I play to win the game, not to remove people that annoy me. (Besides, I would only NK Pesco if Carthrat were playing so I could blame it on him. >_>) Desperation suspicion fling does not make me happier.
HW: Still not happy with him, but suddenly think he may be town due to Shadowert excusing him near end of by claiming ScumSerela would have at least faked suspicions at end of day. Suspect Shadowert using this line of reasoning with possible TownSerela to subtly suggest herself as town, since she ended day with as many scum reads as him. ScumSerela would turn said theory right back around on Shadowert, TownSerela would make Shadowert look better.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:26:51 AM
also FOS: Affinity that last paragraph post was ick.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 01:28:11 AM
Dan, confirm if you are telling the truth.
Also, I can use the red truth here yay!
I investigated Shadoweh last night
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
##Unvote
No I'm a lying bastard.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 01:30:20 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 01:35:37 AM
also dan why did you think that was a good idea
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 01:36:15 AM
or, actually, i can figure this one out myself, i thought you were referring to serela's reaction to lld's claim instead
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:38:44 AM
tbh, I'm still not completely sure LLD is a cop, but I wanted to be more sure instead of having to pray that in the case she wasn't, Shadoweh would still flip scum (even though I was probably going to vote Shadoweh anyway).
-cuts Hw silly you.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 01:40:10 AM
Do I sound desperate? If you're going to die you might as well die having fun. Since Lambda seems serious I don't see a way people aren't going to lynch me today.
Kilga, why are you worried about what the scum is saying before she dies? The only reason anything I say would have credence is if I'm not flipping scum today. I do think you're the kind of person who would eliminate a threat before it reveals itself. I think you've been far too agreeable to the current wagons. What is this Kilga that sheeps onto other people's wagons? If you are town you'd better have a good reason for being such a droopy bunny.
Serela is still town by the way, don't let Kilga cart him off tomorrow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:41:42 AM
actually cop + doctor + masons in 13p hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 01:42:43 AM
actually cop + doctor + masons in 13p hmmmmmmmmmmm.
See this is why I wanted the Masons shot.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 01:44:25 AM
...doctor?
Who said doctor?
Dan don't tell me you just accidentally claimed doctor >.>;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 01:45:08 AM
Serela do you not read the flips of the players you push lynches on?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 01:45:16 AM
Are you reading the flips, Serela?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 01:45:39 AM
no seriously in all that mess did someone claim doctor
fireworks are over so I'm less busy but I'm looking and I don't see this
cut:what did omba claim doctor I thought she flipped vanilla I'll go look
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 01:45:51 AM
w/e I'd call that a towntell, because I don't think Serela can make that shit up
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 01:46:49 AM
wtf
I COULD HAVE SWORN SHE FLIPPED VANILLA DORMIO DID YOU HAVE TO EDIT THAT IN (no seriously, that's an actual question I'm asking you)
Uh... what? No, I did not edit that in. Learn to read.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 01:47:10 AM
his buddies should've been parading "HEY WE LYNCHED THE DOC" in the quicktopic, or at least have given it a passing mention when deciding actions or something, so yeah
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 01:48:40 AM
did you seriously think Serela was scum?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 01:52:31 AM
yes? <_<
for fuck's sake you are not perfection and people don't automatically have the same reads as you do
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 01:54:23 AM
for fuck's sake you are not perfection and people don't automatically have the same reads as you do
I just don't believe you could find Serela scum after Day 1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 01:55:18 AM
Oh hey Shadoweh? I'm just curious.
What's the reasoning behind playing the "LLD is faking/trolling" card and not the "LLD is lying scum" card?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 01:56:32 AM
##Vote Shadoweh
WHATEVER. At least I'm apparently confirmed town now, even if it's in one of the more embarrassing manners possible.
LLD you said to wait until Shadoweh claimed or whatever for you to give your verdict. And?
These shenanigans interfere greatly with my Dan read and Shadoweh's flip is highly important to that, not to mention we're basically guaranteed to lynch her at this point.
Although with Pesco gone and LLD apparently a cop, if Shads flips scum and then Dan still is probably town due to today!shens after that, PoE says BT and Affinity are scum with Swadomeh. And I could definitely see Affinity!scum, so. That makes things pretty easy TBH.
Or Huhwhat/Rawr/LLD is the scumteam messing with us up the shizow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 01:58:58 AM
Shadowy: Closing ears is not pro-town play outside of special circumstances like testimony from a supercop or something similar. Game still to be played; LLD claim not 100% guarantee of ScumShadowy for rest of us.
Also plz to explain sheeping when I'm the only one voting for you for reasons outside of claiming cop or following cop. >_> (Also also wagons? Where's the other one?)
Fake edit: ##Unvote: Shadoweh to avoid early self-hammer since I think Serelavote put her at L-1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 02:00:19 AM
*testimony from a FLIPPED supercop
hurr
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 02:02:43 AM
Also Shadoweh, can I have a flavor name/
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 02:08:13 AM
Was going to look into BT/Affinity especially. Still think Conq is town. Prolly Neko is town. Serela town. HW + Rawr town. Kilga meh approaching town.
If LLD is not a cop, she's probably a scum traitor. Actually LLD, why claim cop so early in the Day?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 02:10:35 AM
I gave you my flavor-nyan. Don't you actually watch Angel Beats? You should know who I am! If you were scum I have no idea why you would think I was important enough to fakeclaim and lynch like this. As it is I have no idea how you plan to live tomorrow. Have fun with that.
Also Serela bein a Serela. So super kawaii.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 05, 2012, 02:11:54 AM
Why Is So Much Stuff Happening Votecount
Conqueror (0): huh what (0): Lady Lambdadelta (0): ActionDan (0): NekoNekoRex (0): Kilgamayan (0): Shadoweh (3): Lady Lambdadelta, huh what, Serela Serela (0): Affinity (0): DrRawr (0): BT (0):
Not voting: Conqueror, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Kilgamayan, Shadoweh, Affinity, DrRawr, BT
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
You have ~72 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 02:12:50 AM
O noes! they stole all the votes!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 02:16:36 AM
Quote
Shadoweh (0) : Lady Lambdadelta, huh what, Serela
best mod amirite :3c
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 02:17:38 AM
Oh, I'm a doofus and miscounted.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 02:18:41 AM
Well, not miscounted so much as forgot that Serela unvoted. :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 02:30:16 AM
gonna come back to this tomorrow, as I think I need to sleep.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 02:39:00 AM
Oh shit it's 2 pages in like 3 hours >It's 2 pages of goofing around
:I
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 02:42:54 AM
if by "goofing around" you mean "cop results", yeah
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 02:53:07 AM
The questions Lambda is asking right now doesn't lead me to believe any less that she's trolling me.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 03:08:34 AM
I can't really tell which of you (if any) is gambiting, which of you isn't taking the game seriously, gambiting, or straight up lying.
All these "hilarious joke fakeclaims" are not amusing me in the slightest. It's like some of you are trying to test how far people will go before people call bullshit and lynch you (huhwhat, rawr, dan)
not that this actually means anything readwise, just putting it out there.
Also good to know all that theroymongering was pointless and Pesco was just shit-town. Good job.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 03:43:43 AM
Got home later than expected. Can't really remember anything super-pressing, though, so going to bed. If Conq wants to know anything more about D1 Shadowert vote beyond what's present in the two posts I numbered it can be answered tomorrow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 05, 2012, 03:50:50 AM
*slaps head*
I wouldn't want to end the day in a way other than Shadoweh's lynch if LLD is serious, but I guess we have some work to do.
Other than obvious tidbits like Neko being probably town if Shadoweh flips scum, I'm quite flabbergasted by Conq changing opinion on BT from here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851437.html#msg851437) to here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851814.html#msg851814). I also notice that he had nothing more than token coverage of events other than his BT case, giving him room to jump onto other wagons with little justification.
BT is actually pretty good late D1, I think, it's just that his early D1, with what amounts to a votepark on Dan, feels lackluster and stuff. Not sure what to think here.
Well, whatever. Neko seems really town now given his mistakes and recent attitude. Not sold by Serela's fruity loops, and I still find him somewhat suspicious. Conq's limited range on D1 bugs me, and I'm interested to know he's reads for today.
##Vote: Conq
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 05:06:35 AM
PS Dan is still the scummiest scum and he should be gunned down immediately.
Other than obvious tidbits like Neko being probably town if Shadoweh flips scum,
As a sideliner to this I'd like to point out this doesn't actually make sense? Didn't Shadoweh hard avert my wagon and seriously prod me for questions while we you guys were gunning for Omba? If I weren't me and clearly a more sane person then I am I would scream "Neko and Shadoweh scumbuddies forever" if Shadoweh flipped scum.
But that's just me. The clearly insane townie here.
Why are we shooting Shadoweh and not Dan again? Didn't LLD get a POSITIVE result on Shadoweh? Are we shooting him to prove LLD's sanity? Seems like an awful waste of a day. If you guys are that unsure of LLD's claim just lynch her instead of Shadoweh? Flipping him isn't actually going to put down an automatic scum result on LLD, she could be insane or lazy.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 05:09:11 AM
Oh wait, LLD voted for Shadoweh, which means she got a negative result.
That certainly clears things up.
You guys sure like to not be obvious and instead imply things all the time, it's confusing.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 05:21:15 AM
Mmm, ice cream, it makes everything better. Actually, Lambda hasn't claimed positive or negative. She hasn't even clarified if she's a regular cop. She sure is implying all sorts of things while trying to pressure me to confess.
For the record you are also pretty adorably confused townie Rex. And I'm still not a dude.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 05:22:59 AM
ARMOK BE DAMNED THESE GENDER PRONOUNS
I THOUGHT I DOUBLE CHECKED
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 05:26:17 AM
So what you're saying is that those last two pages really WERE just goofing around all along, despite huhwhat's reassurances to the opposite?
I KNEW IT
:I
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 05:49:35 AM
Mmm, ice cream, it makes everything better. Actually, Lambda hasn't claimed positive or negative. She hasn't even clarified if she's a regular cop. She sure is implying all sorts of things while trying to pressure me to confess.
For the record you are also pretty adorably confused townie Rex. And I'm still not a dude.
if LLD isn't actually cop (or is but got a town result) yet still turns out to be town then she should be carded postgame, because dragging it on this long is less a reaction test and more trolling her alignment. especially if she ends up being wrong about her target.
at the very least I would have no interest in playing a game with her ever again
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 05, 2012, 06:01:53 AM
Not voting: Conqueror, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Affinity, DrRawr, BT
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
You have ~68 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 06:04:02 AM
It hasn't actually been that long. The day has only been open five hours. She probably went to sleep to see how people reacted in the morning. >_> Rex, I have to hope that's the case. Her actually being a cop and actually having a guilty on me would be far worse then a reaction test for town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 06:07:35 AM
Because, I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 06:14:05 AM
It hasn't actually been that long. The day has only been open five hours. She probably went to sleep to see how people reacted in the morning. >_>
that's still going to amount to the first third or so of the day, I might just be blowing it out of proportion though because I don't like it when people do shit like that
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 06:23:31 AM
Reading. Where's my Pesco wagon? Oh, he's dead.
Shadoweh screams inconsistent, oh dear. Claiming to have been willing to push for my lynch despite very happily sheeping to the general consensus of "latewagon Omba", afterwards this:
Quote
I'm not 'completely okay with it'. It's not even the first option I looked into if you'll remember correctly. What exactly are you suggesting I should have done?
Her LD1 wagon movement was shifty in hindsight and now there's this, but thank you cop results?
I'm kind of baffled by the choice of revealing it right at the beginning of the day though. -____-
@Affinity: Votepark? I voted him, then unvoted right at my next reading session. No votepark was to be had. I don't think I was even near playing it as one, so this conclusion is bad.
Serela, Dan's shens so far have been null. There's townie motivation to fish for reactions and scum motivation to seem town all in one. Also you agreed with me that his questioning of Neko was scum nitpicking against town so ~_~
Going to emphasize this: WHY was the result revealed now and not later?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 06:42:58 AM
^ scum
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 07:09:37 AM
That's nice.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 05, 2012, 07:17:44 AM
You make me sad LLD. ;-; (no I'm not claiming anything)
Eh, I buy LLD's reaction test; this one is legit imo. Since when does Shadoweh accept a lynch by cop guilty as VT without kicking and screaming on the way down? I'd expect her to be more pissed off at the "gambit" than adopt the tone of resignation she did.
Her actually being a cop and actually having a guilty on me would be far worse then a reaction test for town.
I guess this fits with LLD's theory? Will respond to questions and stuff when I get back later; have to run out the door.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 02:39:02 PM
What do you want from me?
I'm just high on LSD :(.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 02:42:11 PM
ALSO, I reread Shadoweh Quest.
All the bad endings. @_@
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 03:06:14 PM
I still need to read Shadoweh Quest.
I only read the one where she's a lawyer.
Anyway, that explains why Shadoweh is reacting the way she is. Because I did sort of think that was weird too, how she keep going on and on despite apparently already being scum who got a guilty claimed on them (Hence why I wasn't treating her flipping scum as a nigh-guarenteed thing in my posts). But if this is the case, it's not surprising :3c
But yeah still lynchin' her to death. And this makes everyone's reactions even more important, to the point where I really don't want to read people when I'll have to reread again right after she flips :c
'sides, after everyone shows up again after this latest development, the day might as well be over anyway. ...right? Don't mind me I'm always in the camp that likes early lynches >.> <.<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 03:08:17 PM
Cop crumbs? To be honest I have to wonder why scum would choose to roleblock you over... me *hiccup*.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 03:13:13 PM
Might be the stupid talking, but why would a scum that RBed someone give up when that same person copclaimed a guilty on them?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 03:19:22 PM
You give up when you think you're as good as dead. LLD might not have actually copped her but people were grabbing their pitchforks either way.
Hmmhmm, this was a nice answer to my question in the last post. Would be interesting to see this day produce something other than gaming the game at this point. Early lynch sounds fine if nothing happens.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
As well, Shadoweh didn't completely give up. She kept posting a lot, likely (If she is actually scum) trying to talk in a way to get LLD to think "Maybe she's actually town and I should stop this" due to not actually having investigated her.
If she was town I would have expected more of a "Die you scum" sort of reaction like LLD said, yeah. She never even voted LLD in return. I'd also think it'd be likely for scum to do it if they knew they had actually been copped, which is why her reaction was just... weird.
But this is a weird situation, so, that's not surprising!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 03:42:25 PM
You give up when you think you're as good as dead. LLD might not have actually copped her but people were grabbing their pitchforks either way.
Hmmhmm, this was a nice answer to my question in the last post. Would be interesting to see this day produce something other than gaming the game at this point. Early lynch sounds fine if nothing happens.
Ew. gonna reread you. Priority 1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 03:53:29 PM
"Nothing happens", like, no real constructive discussion and people getting bored. If that's "ew" to you then go ahead I suppose.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 04:05:22 PM
Might be the stupid talking, but why would a scum that RBed someone give up when that same person copclaimed a guilty on them?
It's calculated risk/reward.
If Shadoweh, knowing I was RB'd, believed I would take this cop sem-bluff to the bank (fate style) she'd have voted me.
Alternatively, if she was town, she'd have assumed I must be lying scum.
Basically, the assumption from town that I was lol faking a Cop Report, especially when I asked for a claim, is totally out of the question.
The ONLY perspective her play makes ANY lick of sense from is if she's scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
What about Insane/Paranoid Cop? Or Framer? Setup not exactly open, assumptions about reliability/existence (or lackthereof) of roles dangerous.
Also theoretical TownShadowert could assume TownLLD + claim bluff because you have set personal precedent of willing to role bluff. Just did one at end of D1, in fact.
Way too many factors to for theoretical TownShadowert to auto-assume lying scum. I want to see Shadowert lynched, definitely, but I'd prefer it be done for correct reasons. Role-related reasons with faulty assumption bases easier for scum to use to sneak on bus than legitimate play-based opinions.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 05:08:04 PM
If Shadoweh had thought of any of your suggestive alternatives, she would have been mentioning them.
Instead she EXPLICITLY states that I am "trolling".
Further, me gambitting yesterday makes me less likely to do it again today not more.
I usually restrict myself to 1 crazy play per game. Or try...
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 05:33:31 PM
YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 05:34:40 PM
Die Shadowscum Die.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 05:37:21 PM
I meant to put more words in here but it posted automatically after that for some reason. >_>
What's the matter? You mad because I can tell how shaky you sounded? You don't ask people you have a guilty on to post their flavor Lambda, you go in without any doubts. I even guessed how you were trying to get around your red truth. You outted yourself on one roleblocked result when you can see the doctor is dead. GOOD FUCKING JOB.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 05:55:04 PM
I meant to put more words in here but it posted automatically after that for some reason. >_>
What's the matter? You mad because I can tell how shaky you sounded? You don't ask people you have a guilty on to post their flavor Lambda, you go in without any doubts. I even guessed how you were trying to get around your red truth. You outted yourself on one roleblocked result when you can see the doctor is dead. GOOD FUCKING JOB.
But I caught a scum!
And actually, it is standard proceedure to ask for a claim.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 06:08:15 PM
There was the possibly she'd react well. once more please!
And if she reacts like a townie, or a townie roleblocked claims, I retract my claim and vote someone who leapt at the wagon.
Very very simple. (also that person is Conq BTW)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 06:44:16 PM
I actually have to reread and try to salvage this shit, FUCK.
Incidentally Neko is slip town as well since he seems to think LLD got a positive result on me for some reason instead of no result at all.
Conq I will kick you in the balls. When have I EVER had a cop claim a guilty against me? As town OR as scum? It's never happened. Why wouldn't I be resigned thinking that a cop wouldn't be stupid enough to out themselves when they have nothing?
Serela I will box your ears in. -_- Maybe, just maybe, I'm going on because I know I'm town and doing nothing would make this day a huge waste of time? You're not allowed to stop reading, this day is not over yet.
BT: It hasn't even been 24 hours. I still got plenty of rage left in me. I can understand why you'd want to hurry us out the door before I do my TOWNIE FLAIL MAGIC again. It would mean you could keep lurking with your amazing two posts today. You're one of the ones who was so quick to refute my logic about Omba, so it irks me that you would say I was 'so happy' to sheep to the wagon after talking me into it. Also:
Everyone else was too busy with the flailing to have a guilty conscience. At least you didn't mention Omba was the doctor too. >.>b
##Vote: BT
PS Lambda I already claimed so no there was no reason to ask me to clarify. It's not all you asked for either. Fakevigs and fakecops rely on the person you're using them being bad at reacting and I take pride on being good at batting my innocent eyes as scum. If you actually had a guilty on me lynching me would have been the right play. I wouldn't trust me! As it is, take a look around you. You got people who want to lynch me for giving up. People who want to lynch me for not giving up enough, people who want to lynch me for being okay with it not okay with it consistent inconsistent holy fuck there is no reaction I could have given that would satisfy you people. There is no difference between a scum that RB'd you and a townie because they both would know you're wrong. Your reaction fishing is trying to take the easy way out by fitting everything into the box you already made for it. ALL OF YOU ARE DOING THIS.
And since this spectacle has already distracted everyone way too much, I want to see actual suspects from people. Affinity is the only one so far that has said something besides 'SHADOWEH IS TEH SCUMS'. Put out your scum reads, ALL your scumreads today.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 07:01:32 PM
So, what are you actually voting me for? I refuted your logic because it was bad and you were using it to clear someone I believed was scum. Making it seem like my motivation behind talking you into it was scummy is just plain bad. Yes, I was wrong to say that you were "happy to sheep to the wagon", but that's just the false impression I got from this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851714.html#msg851714). From what I can see you're voting me for pushing for what was my scum read's wagon.
However, I'm getting mixed feeling from that explanation of yours about your reaction to LLD's claim. Now I want to see more people's reaction to the recent happenings.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Shadoweh must die.
Die the death!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 07:16:03 PM
You mean the one before I went to reread him and said 'oh wait he is also town'? :p LLD You've said enough please sit in the corner until you get nightkilled.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 07:21:31 PM
Yes, I mean the one before you said you remember something townie about him but decide to approve of the swing anyway, even momentarily.
I don't think I got my answer yet.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 07:22:32 PM
Approving the swing displayed in the post I linked, I mean.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 05, 2012, 07:23:28 PM
Shadoweh:The problem with scumreads is that how almost everyone looks at this point is affected significantly by whether you're actually town or scum, due to all the shenanigans that have happened today :C
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 07:27:31 PM
##Unvote Yeah nope. Reaction was null, scum fakeclaiming to mislynch a claimed vanilla townie is a waste and I would've probably expected the cop to just be a supreme fuckup as town in Shadoweh's situation too. If you think otherwise you're just seeing what you want to see.
Also agreeing the gambit was horrible.
Reading to see who I want to vote. Leaning Conq but might want Shadowehlynch for reasons that aren't "there's a fake guilty on her". Would like a better explanation of BT wagon since I'm not seeing that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 07:29:32 PM
You mean the one before I went to reread him and said 'oh wait he is also town'? :p LLD You've said enough please sit in the corner until you get nightkilled.
Go to hell Shadoweh.
I'll join you there momentarily.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 07:33:41 PM
HuhWhat, you understand that if I was scum I could have lynched her and then been like "oh lol she must have been framed or I must be insane~".
And I would probably get away with it base on the logic you're spouting?
Shadoweh's response does not come from town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 05, 2012, 07:38:43 PM
Quite literally, Townies are Stupid Implusive creatures.
Scum are informed intelligent calculated ones.
Shadoweh's calculated coolness to my claim is 100% scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 07:41:42 PM
If I had a nickel for every time I've been voted for 'knowing too much'.. It's kind of flattering.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 07:54:14 PM
My vote is nowhere? Gotta fix that.
##Vote Shadoweh
Maybe you'll notice me now?
Dan is not making it any easier on himself by twitterposting his way through half the recent thread. I'm sure rereading myself and Affinity doesn't take days.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 05, 2012, 08:02:46 PM
I'm at work. I'll reread in like 2 hours.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 08:16:06 PM
##Vote: Conqueror (L-4) Don't like his end-of-D1 conduct, since: - He discouraged me from solo-voting LLD but went on to vote BT when all the interest on BT had died out - Read on me is an easy way of staying off the largest wagon without actually commiting to a town read on me, meaning I can still be mislynched by him later if necessary - Deciding factor in #196 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851429.html#msg851429) looks like Serela being a policy lynch, not which of Serela/Shadoweh is scummier, so not really a town way of deciding Think the BT vote comes from hipster scum. Confidence on Omba wasn't really telegraphed either, maybe set up but he didn't actually suspect Omba instead of question until the wagon grew.
Shadoweh. Your initial reaction to the cop claim was to attack Kilga as if he were taking advantage of it. Now the cop claim's over and you're back to jumping on BT again like that never happened. Explain? After saying stuff like "Serela is still town by the way, don't let Kilga cart him off tomorrow." I don't see why you'd drop this completely to go for the less experienced player if you thought Kilga was scum. I find Conq more pressing but would switch to you.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 08:16:35 PM
Would like a better explanation of BT wagon since I'm not seeing that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 05, 2012, 08:42:32 PM
##Vote: Conq because looking at both Affinitys and Huhhwhats cases they seem pretty convincing,
I still think Neko is scum do to him using lld reactions as a means to get scum reads, not to mention it wasnt even a scummy reaction huhwhat gave off. With scum!shadoweh i have to say his d1 voteomba over shadoweh looks really bad.
actiondan has been all over the place with his votes and reads, no idea what hes reading id probably lynch him
huh what is town lld is town affinity is town
leaning null also on kilga serela is a durp bt is null ^people i need to read over to get a definite read
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 05, 2012, 08:49:34 PM
also not hammering shadoweh yet
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 09:09:46 PM
I still think Neko is scum do to him using lld reactions as a means to get scum reads, not to mention it wasnt even a scummy reaction huhwhat gave off. With scum!shadoweh i have to say his d1 voteomba over shadoweh looks really bad.
Wuh? I haven't even put a vote down today, much less posted reads, except on dan who I still have the same sentiments on from D1. Did I even vote Omba?
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actiondan has been all over the place with his votes and reads, no idea what hes reading id probably lynch him
Which is why I agree with this
I kind of feel like Shadoweh's angry reaction to the Gambit Reveal was kind of over the top, I'd like to think that he's the better lynch for today myself.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 05, 2012, 09:12:25 PM
- He discouraged me from solo-voting LLD but went on to vote BT when all the interest on BT had died out
There's a key difference between your LLD vote and my BT vote. LLD was a controversial figure from the very start of the day, and everyone had the chance to chip in on whether or not they wanted an LLD lynch. The consensus was pretty much no, and you even had a few people voting you for your stance on LLD. An LLD lynch was not happening. BT on the other hand, didn't have a very strong presence throughout the day, and people barely mentioned him. Given the sudden collapse of the previously existing wagons at the end of the day to pile on Omba, another person with a similarily weak presence, I'd say the BT wagon was completely plausible.
- Read on me is an easy way of staying off the largest wagon without actually commiting to a town read on me, meaning I can still be mislynched by him later if necessary
There's no way I could have had a town read on you with your single-minded LLD tunnel. I say things as I see them. Why are you worried about being mislynched as a "mason" anyway?
- Deciding factor in #196 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851429.html#msg851429) looks like Serela being a policy lynch, not which of Serela/Shadoweh is scummier, so not really a town way of deciding
Didn't think either was scum at the time. Preferred people like BT/Omba.
Only thing to say re:Omba wagon is that I thought it was the best bet as the time. "Confidence" as stated was relative. This would be pretty clear if you had actually read my posts.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 05, 2012, 09:31:28 PM
rawr, do you think Shadoweh is scum or not?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 09:43:25 PM
BT on the other hand, didn't have a very strong presence throughout the day, and people barely mentioned him. Given the sudden collapse of the previously existing wagons at the end of the day to pile on Omba, another person with a similarily weak presence, I'd say the BT wagon was completely plausible.
A lot of people had implied or outright stated they didn't want to wagon him before that point in the day - Affinity, Omba, LLD, myself, sort of Dan. Given that BT obviously wasn't self-voting and Pesco was trolling, that's only enough people to push him to L-1, and they'd all have to randomly have an epiphany to even join you on him. Most of them had never even indicated suspicion of BT up until that point and were leaving him out when talking about players they'd be interested in wagoning.
Why are you worried about being mislynched as a "mason" anyway?
I'm not? scum!Conq wouldn't have known I was a mason when he posted that.
Town still should've looked at Serela / Shadoweh to find which one they thought had more scum intent.
Rest of stuff is "that's now how I interpreted it!" except for the confidence thing which was a pretty dumb interpretation on second read, yeah (and I did read your post in context).
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 05, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
*not how
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 05, 2012, 09:44:43 PM
Conq I will kick you in the balls. When have I EVER had a cop claim a guilty against me? As town OR as scum? It's never happened. Why wouldn't I be resigned thinking that a cop wouldn't be stupid enough to out themselves when they have nothing?
This makes no sense. If you know you're town and someone claims a guilty on you, and a bunch of people quickwagon you for it, it's your responsibility to stop that shit as fast as possible before it gets out of hand. At least, I know that's what you would do. Sure, it's fine for you to assume LLD was trolling, but your responses had no sense of urgency in them.
Do I sound desperate? If you're going to die you might as well die having fun. Since Lambda seems serious I don't see a way people aren't going to lynch me today.
You'd never lay down quietly like this as town. You'd fight to the bitter end (from the start, not just after LLD rescinded her "gambit").
My deepest apologies with regards to your situation by the way. I remember you talking to me after you claimed an effective guilty on me in MRM (where I folded similarily), and I remember you telling me you'd troll up the thread if such an opportunity ever came up.
Because, I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!
Come on, you're not even mad. Not until LLD claims she was roleblocked that is, but why would a townie choose to get mad at that point specifically? Scum berating townies for weird decisions.
All that said, well, hw, kinda beat me to the punch on this, but right as the day started you picked out Kilga, Neko, and me as suspects. Then you attacked Kilga for ~stuff~ before suddenly dropping everything to vote BT for something he worded dumbly. Perhaps you could expand on your Kilga suspicions and/or why you dropped him?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 09:46:00 PM
Shadoweh. Your initial reaction to the cop claim was to attack Kilga as if he were taking advantage of it. Now the cop claim's over and you're back to jumping on BT again like that never happened. Explain? After saying stuff like "Serela is still town by the way, don't let Kilga cart him off tomorrow." I don't see why you'd drop this completely to go for the less experienced player if you thought Kilga was scum. I find Conq more pressing but would switch to you.
Because he should know better. Him being the first to remember LLD gambits are terrible and people shouldn't be sheeping to them makes me feel better. Then again, he's still pushing to lynch me so.. You're probably right, I shouldn't be scared of being wrong again. I'm not sure if I could get him lynched if I tried, but I'll make the case anyways once I finish cleaning. (My roommate has been using the bathroom trash as an ashtray. >_<)
On BT: I'm voting you, that's as 'attention on you' as it gets kid. First of all he tries to focus on Lambda (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850844.html#msg850844) being the bad one in that early fight with Kilga, when Kilga dodging the issue is more likely to be scum then LLD being LLD. He's too chicken to focus on attacking her though, sweeping quickly to attacking Dan for his beat rap. I actually thought This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850848.html#msg850848) was about Kilga. This is what Conq was pointing out at the time. BTW early Conq shares my thoughts on reads here so I will not be voting him today. His treatment of LLD vs Dan here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850879.html#msg850879) suffers from the same bias. He thinks what LLD was doing is 'anti-town' but makes excuses for why he's not pursuing it, whereas Dan is 'hard to read as town' therefore he's a better suspect. Because LLD is easy rite. The last thing in his argument with Conq is agreeing with him in a way that sounds like he thinks Conq is town, but I haven't seen him give any reads in that direction. Or any direction.
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851029.html#msg851029) is his response to Omba's similar questions. It's so.. how to say, "No YOU!". This is what he's passing as a suspect. 'Seems lazy'. Totes legit. And then there's this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851470.html#msg851470). Uhm shit this is going to take another hour to analyze. I think I've been cut twenty times so I'm just gonna post this now.
Rawr I'm not confirmed scum anymore. >_> LLD be trolling. Don't hammer Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 05, 2012, 09:55:11 PM
A lot of people had implied or outright stated they didn't want to wagon him before that point in the day - Affinity, Omba, LLD, myself, sort of Dan. Given that BT obviously wasn't self-voting and Pesco was trolling, that's only enough people to push him to L-1, and they'd all have to randomly have an epiphany to even join you on him. Most of them had never even indicated suspicion of BT up until that point and were leaving him out when talking about players they'd be interested in wagoning.
The resistance to any sort of BT lynch was much less prominent than the resistance to an LLD lynch. C'mon, you know this. In any case, it was less a resistance and more a nonpresence of interest because people were pretty much ignoring him. I was putting him on the table as a lynch to promote him over the others because I felt he was the scummiest at the time I voted him.
I'm not? scum!Conq wouldn't have known I was a mason when he posted that.
Well, the point was that I didn't have a town read on you, derp. You were being scummy, and you're too good of a player for me to clear you for things like "people attacking huhwhat for bad reasons". Fukkit read your posts at the time.
Town still should've looked at Serela / Shadoweh to find which one they thought had more scum intent.
I thought they were both town. Why would I evaluate my town reads to think which has more scum intent when I think they're both town? A mark against me, sure, because you could see it as something else, but that's how it goes.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
This makes no sense. If you know you're town and someone claims a guilty on you, and a bunch of people quickwagon you for it, it's your responsibility to stop that shit as fast as possible before it gets out of hand. At least, I know that's what you would do. Sure, it's fine for you to assume LLD was trolling, but your responses had no sense of urgency in them.You'd never lay down quietly like this as town. You'd fight to the bitter end (from the start, not just after LLD rescinded her "gambit").
There was no point in urgency. What I said at that point didn't matter, the only one who could pull back from the game of chicken was LLD. I was pretty sure she was town to start with so it's not like I was going to push a counterwagon. For what it's worth the longer it went on the more convinced I was she was being honest.
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Come on, you're not even mad. Not until LLD claims she was roleblocked that is, but why would a townie choose to get mad at that point specifically? Scum berating townies for weird decisions.
I wasn't mad because I assumed by that point whatever was going wrong wasn't her fault. I didn't assume she was an actual cop who thought it would be a great idea to claim on a roleblocked target. I can't wait to hear about how this is my fault for being so scummy in the first place later.
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All that said, well, hw, kinda beat me to the punch on this, but right as the day started you picked out Kilga, Neko, and me as suspects. Then you attacked Kilga for ~stuff~ before suddenly dropping everything to vote BT for something he worded dumbly. Perhaps you could expand on your Kilga suspicions and/or why you dropped him?
I don't suspect you so much as I'm disapointed you believe this shit. As for Neko I'm not as sure since like I said, huh what's wagon was more suspicious to me and well, it was made of Pesco, LLD, Omba and Neko so >_>
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 10:01:28 PM
On BT: I'm voting you, that's as 'attention on you' as it gets kid. First of all he tries to focus on Lambda (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850844.html#msg850844) being the bad one in that early fight with Kilga, when Kilga dodging the issue is more likely to be scum then LLD being LLD. He's too chicken to focus on attacking her though, sweeping quickly to attacking Dan for his beat rap. I actually thought This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850848.html#msg850848) was about Kilga. This is what Conq was pointing out at the time. BTW early Conq shares my thoughts on reads here so I will not be voting him today. His treatment of LLD vs Dan here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850879.html#msg850879) suffers from the same bias. He thinks what LLD was doing is 'anti-town' but makes excuses for why he's not pursuing it, whereas Dan is 'hard to read as town' therefore he's a better suspect. Because LLD is easy rite. The last thing in his argument with Conq is agreeing with him in a way that sounds like he thinks Conq is town, but I haven't seen him give any reads in that direction. Or any direction.
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851029.html#msg851029) is his response to Omba's similar questions. It's so.. how to say, "No YOU!". This is what he's passing as a suspect. 'Seems lazy'. Totes legit. And then there's this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851470.html#msg851470). Uhm shit this is going to take another hour to analyze. I think I've been cut twenty times so I'm just gonna post this now.
Why is it that you insist on being wrong half the time? I noted my town read on Conq in several posts, and I still maintain it. I also specifically made it clear that I failed to read both Kilga and LLD from that convo, stating that they are both null, also in several posts. The only 'bad guy' indication here would be me calling her anti-town. That's not making her out to be bad, that's pointing out facts.
But you know what? Inaccuracies are annoying, but at least they don't make me want to punch baby seals. This, on the other hand...
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He thinks what LLD was doing is 'anti-town' but makes excuses for why he's not pursuing it
Excuses Excuses. My inability to read her is an excuse?
You are pulling shit out of thin air, painfully so. What makes it worse is that I don't even think it's indicative of allegiance anymore.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
It's an excuse when you obviously can't read the other person either but make the distinction anyways. You weren't sure on LLD and you weren't sure on Dan but you went for Dan and never looked into any other posts LLD made, for someone that was trying to figure people out you sure did alot of defending yourself instead of figuring them out.
Also of note to me is that you never commented today until after LLD's JUST KIDDING. Why is that?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 05, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
There was no point in urgency. What I said at that point didn't matter, the only one who could pull back from the game of chicken was LLD. I was pretty sure she was town to start with so it's not like I was going to push a counterwagon.
>no point in urgency >what I said at that point didn't matter (http://s19.postimage.org/6dxjkju33/icon_igmeou.gif) I find this hard to believe given the game state at the time LLD claimed her cop result on you. The notion that you'd just go along with this as town, sighing and throwing your hands up to LLD, putting your fate in her hands and resulting in a mislynch with so many town PRs outed/dead and scum still untouched is unbelievable.
I wasn't mad because I assumed by that point whatever was going wrong wasn't her fault. I didn't assume she was an actual cop who thought it would be a great idea to claim on a roleblocked target. I can't wait to hear about how this is my fault for being so scummy in the first place later.
You didn't think it was LLD's fault despite thinking she was trolling/gambiting? Based on what you said at the time, when you rejected all notions of framers/redirectors/etc, the only thing I see is one mention of an insane cop and the rest of the time you're quite clear in thinking that LLD is trolling. This statement does not compute.
I don't suspect you so much as I'm disapointed you believe this shit. As for Neko I'm not as sure since like I said, huh what's wagon was more suspicious to me and well, it was made of Pesco, LLD, Omba and Neko so >_>
I'm more interested in the Kilga suspicion, actually, but it looks like you're getting on that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 05, 2012, 10:16:52 PM
It's an excuse when you obviously can't read the other person either but make the distinction anyways. You weren't sure on LLD and you weren't sure on Dan but you went for Dan and never looked into any other posts LLD made, for someone that was trying to figure people out you sure did alot of defending yourself instead of figuring them out.
Also of note to me is that you never commented today until after LLD's JUST KIDDING. Why is that?
I did comment today. Not so many posts before then. What are you talking about?
And now I am legitimately IRL mad, if I wasn't before. My ENTIRE push on Dan was because I felt I had read him correctly. I had a base to lynch LLD off of but I didn't because I suspected anti-town and not scum and could not identify the difference at the time. On the other hand I voted Dan based off of essentially nothing but my suspicion that he steered clear of trouble. It is literally the polar opposite. Pray tell, what makes you think I had not attempted to read LLD later? What, do I have to comment on my every attempt to read someone now?
I am so glad you are not town this game else I would probably consider taking a break. A long one.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 05, 2012, 10:22:14 PM
I'm quite flabbergasted by Conq changing opinion on BT from here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851437.html#msg851437) to here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851814.html#msg851814). I also notice that he had nothing more than token coverage of events other than his BT case, giving him room to jump onto other wagons with little justification.
BT made two posts in between those two instances, enough for me to give him a tentative town read. As for my "token coverage", at the end of the day my stated suspicions in the thread were at BT-leaning town, mason claim to be left for later (although before that I already mentioned hw was a bad vote), omba as a good vote, LLD not a good lynch, Shadoweh probtown, Serela null leaning town but good policy lynch because I can't read him, and NNR not that scummy. So I don't know what other wagons I would have jumped onto, at least concerning wagons that were on the table.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 05, 2012, 10:29:26 PM
You have ~51.5 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 05, 2012, 10:39:27 PM
@Kilga Well, the question I wanted to ask you is a little different now given how the situation has developed. Why did you decide to drop Shadoweh at the end of Day 1 though?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Shaoweh
There was no point in urgency. What I said at that point didn't matter, the only one who could pull back from the game of chicken was LLD. I was pretty sure she was town to start with so it's not like I was going to push a counterwagon. For what it's worth the longer it went on the more convinced I was she was being honest.
this kinda makes it sound like you knew LLD was bluffing, no offense.
Quote
I wasn't mad because I assumed by that point whatever was going wrong wasn't her fault. I didn't assume she was an actual cop who thought it would be a great idea to claim on a roleblocked target. I can't wait to hear about how this is my fault for being so scummy in the first place later.
This too
It's kind of hard to buy "Shadoweh didn't take LLD's COP CLAIM and SCUM RESULT ON HER seriously and that's why she reacted the way she did". Unless you know in advance it's a lie I would take any kind of thing like that very seriously, especially if the result is a lie.
The whole attack on BT kind of seems silly from over here. You're attacking BT because LLD is hard to read? Isn't LLD ALWAYS hard to read?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 11:00:20 PM
Real post coming when I get home.
Conq: Honestly, I got fooled by her end of D1 activity. I was at work for the vast majority of that activity (for reference, left at 7:20 EDT, got home at about 5:20 EDT, day ended at 7:00 EDT). Ended up half-reading through thread via phone because needed to actually be doing work. Remember when I put Akinity and NNR lower than Shadowert on scummy totem pole because they were 'trying harder'? I saw lots of stuff from her on the phone that looked like :goodposting:, which cleared up half my issue with her over lack of meaningful involvement. Since I couldn't focus 100% on game, didn't pick up on true deceptive-activity nature of posts until night-time, when afforded opportunity to read the thread on home computer and not thinking about work.
Wish I could offer better reasoning than own lack of attention and mild ineptitude, but so it goes.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 05, 2012, 11:02:00 PM
Uh, if my sentiments haven't made it obvious enough, by the way, consider (but don't count) my Vote down on Shadoweh for the time being.
Also FUCK YEAH NAILED THOSE GENDER PRONOUNS FOR REAL THIS TIME
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 11:10:19 PM
You mean that I knew I was town? Thanks for clarifying that.
But how would you know she was bluffing as town?
Quote
No. LLD is pretty easy to read. Why would you think this? You have no experience with LLD before now.
(ﾉ `Д?)ﾉ ~┻━┻ I AM NOT SCUM STOP WRITING ME OFF YOU DICKS
She was in the last game with me. It was in my understanding (from other players) that LLD is hard to read because she's incredibly null all the time. Which seems pretty true to me.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 11:32:19 PM
FGDGSSGGDFGS. BECAUSE I AM JUST THAT FUCKING GOOD OKAY. I AM BETTER AT READING HER THEN YOU ARE AND HER ATTITUDE TOWARDS ME WAS FULL OF SHIT LIKE SHE WANTED ME TO CONFESS. I AM ONE OF THE FEW GOD DAMN PEOPLE WHO CAN FUCKING READ LLD AS SOMETHING OTHER THEN LOL-TROLLING AND I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE IS SCREWING ME OVER BECAUSE OF IT.
Why would you even investigate me, fuck. You couldn't go bother Kilgamayan some more, or harrass Conq, you had to pick me to have this fun idea against. The best part is I don't think you would have pushed this gambit on them, you thought you could pressure me because you know me, and like every other time YOU PEOPLE DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT ME.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 05, 2012, 11:38:37 PM
I can't make a case on this post. I have been staring at it and it is like 'Hello I am Serela but I teleported into BT's head now watch me waffle on everyone! ☆〜（ゝ。∂）It's even filled with the reads that I wanted earlier and pointless self-doubting in the form of Affinity scum no wait he is town let's sheepto him now aaaaaaaadgdfgfgdfg I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING ELSE PREPARED
FINE this is my committment post. Memo to self case on Kilga goes here. Now staring at funny bunny posts. ##Unvote ##Vote: Kilgamayan
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 05, 2012, 11:52:23 PM
So Shadowert posted something recently that inspired me to put this hilarious Omba-focused Shadowert sequence together for all to digest. WARNING: The vast majority of this will be little more than a replay of events, but I promise it goes somewhere and I'll be discussing that for those of you that don't figure it out along the way.
CONTEXT: Little mention of Omba in the few posts that led up to this; most was BT's summary of the Omba case at my request.
We could lynch Omba, he is right there and all. I was debating it while sleepthinking, but I remember something about Omba seeming town somewhere. Then again I just read like 2-3 posts from him about how terrible I am so maybe I'm biased. >_>
I supose not. You'll have to forgive me for not answering everyone exactly for awhile then. Rex, if what I'm getting is that you're misunderstanding the idea. Masons are confirmed town to each other here. I have absolute confidence that the scum team cannot afford to leave a confirmed town huh what alive until endgame because he is a good player. As long as he can keep Rawr on the same page as him he'll even be a doublevoting confirmed town. If you don't want to get lynched, your best bet besides me is Omba right now.
Only NNR talks about Omba, claiming him "weird but not weird enough to wagon".
Fuck Rereading Omba does remind me why I think he's town. He's been pretty uh.. consistant in his hate for me. >_> What BT said Re: SWWTBTT. Omba spent as many of his posts as possible wifoming about the box without making any opinions on players. Like, never mentioning them at all. In this game the first thing he did is start jumping on people ramming questions down their throats. FUCK I don't want to vote him either now AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Also his gut was true because masons are like scumbuddies.
So gathering my balls of fun, Town is Huh what, Rawr, Serela, Omba, LLD, and I think Kilga. Weaker town is NNR and I always like Dan and Conq but it might be the poetry and Celes pic. That leaves.. BT, Pesco, Affinity. Mmm. Pesco is unreadable. I don't think I've read Affinity at all actually. Bleh this isn't working out.
Following dialogue from various players show Omba is viable lynch candidate. But SUDDENLY
Don't lynch Serela. >_> I have been touched and seen the light. He is now my townie friend and we're going to make derp posts together. Someone has to start the leap of faith so I will do the Wheee ##Unvote ##Vote: Omba Kilga: I think I was getting resigned to being a target. But this thing where there is no target and I'm seriously worried about a no-lynch is way worse.
I do think NNR and Omba are good choices to start though. I would not be surprised if the three people on my wagon were town. Rawr is confirmed so it's already 2/3. I do not believe that all four people voting huh what who was in my opinion driving the game had good intentions. Pesco isn't going to get lynched today at least. Omba fled the wagon like it was on fire. Neko started arguing with the town about why they could possibly want to not lynch or kill the confirmed masons. That alone tells me he is too far off the deep end to be a scum bag. I'm willing to put my money on this option here.
Quick summary of this summary so far:
"Hey, Omba's a reasonable lynch candidate" > ignored "No guys seriously why aren't we lynching Omba" > mild support for this course of action "WAIT NVM OMBA IS TOWN" > continued support for this course of action "sike I vote Omba" > continued support for this course of action "Yeah I feel good about this" (unless "I'm willing to put my money on this option here" means something else)
Now okay sure this is possible, deadline pressure rereads can lead to mind changes, though this still abnormally flip-floppy imo. As the song goes, though, the best is yet to come.
> other stuff happens including Omba getting put at L-2 and Shadowert talking about non-Omba things (mostly NNR) for a while > deadline gets very close, Dan asks Shadowert why she's okay with the Omba lynch
I'm not 'completely okay with it'. It's not even the first option I looked into if you'll remember correctly. What exactly are you suggesting I should have done?
I guess she didn't put down a whole lot of her money there. >_>
I did the looking. I could not find someone that I could push to the point of driving an entire lynch that way confidently. And people were quite resistant to my ideas that Omba might not be scum. >_>
More of the same, with a sudden suble shift to passing the buck for the Omba lynch (!), a sentiment that further showed itself today:
BT: It hasn't even been 24 hours. I still got plenty of rage left in me. I can understand why you'd want to hurry us out the door before I do my TOWNIE FLAIL MAGIC again. It would mean you could keep lurking with your amazing two posts today. You're one of the ones who was so quick to refute my logic about Omba, so it irks me that you would say I was 'so happy' to sheep to the wagon after talking me into it. Also:Everyone else was too busy with the flailing to have a guilty conscience. At least you didn't mention Omba was the doctor too. >.>b
##Vote: BT
Ultimately her vote was the fault of other people.
So near as I can tell, this is what went down.
- Shadowert brings up and actively pushes Omba as possible lynch candidate - Shadowert then pulls back after other people take notice - Shadowert then changes her mind again is votes Omba and is at least pretty okay with it given things like "I do think NNR and Omba are good choices to start" and "Omba fled the wagon like it was on fire" (I am presuming this is intended to be reasoning behind choosing Omba) and "I'm willing to put my money on this option here" - Shadowert starts casting doubt on lynch and nudging blame to other people as the lynch happens - Omba dies and flips town - Shadowert's vote wasn't her fault, it was BT's! And probably also at least partly the fault of the "people that were quite resistant to [her] ideas that Omba might not be scum", though I'll admit this part is only implied and never outright stated.
Yeah. Somehow not really feeling that a townie would start a wagon, jerk away from it, pull back onto it with at least some enthusiasm for it, and then try to absolve herself of responsibility for it after it goes awry.
Could probably stand to talk about other people. Don't expect much/any discussion of any of HW, .rawr, Serela, NNR, etc though.
Fake edit: welp
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 12:11:51 AM
Is it normal for me to want to hammer Shadoweh only 24 hours into the day
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 12:13:53 AM
Suddenly, every game I'm in is stupid. today is a shitty day. I will proceed to eat and use gut. see you alls in 1 hour.
;wEFIHA;EWLFKJHA G;A;RJKS'ERGJ S;KLSF;KJN
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 12:24:34 AM
I don't know, is it? If you think you wanna do it stop looking like you want someone older to tell you it's okay to do it, either put up or shut up.
I am totally not going to read whatever Kilga put up since I'm pretty sure it's a dissertation of why I voted Omba. Not only am I guilty of not believing I'm scum, it's also my fault I voted for someone viable instead of, I don't know what else you expected me to do. I asked Dan the same thing. What exactly did you expect me to do instead?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 12:27:09 AM
Not blame other people for your vote? It's nothing mindblowing that you were a vote on a mislynch, but the wagon began because it was your idea and by the time it was over you were pointing fingers at other people and trying to shake your responsibility.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 12:29:30 AM
I don't know, is it? If you think you wanna do it stop looking like you want someone older to tell you it's okay to do it, either put up or shut up.
I am totally not going to read whatever Kilga put up since I'm pretty sure it's a dissertation of why I voted Omba. Not only am I guilty of not believing I'm scum, it's also my fault I voted for someone viable instead of, I don't know what else you expected me to do. I asked Dan the same thing. What exactly did you expect me to do instead?
The whole dissertation was you pulling an Omba wagon out of thin air, halfway through calling him town, waffling your way through the wagon, then trying to pass the reigns on to somebody else when the hammer was about to fall. His words, my summary.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 12:50:31 AM
Neko stop being helpful it would really help if I could get something resembling a scumread here.
I think the Neko wagon was my idea too. What it came down to is someone had to get wagoned. I have a contractual obligation to make sure it's not me. The people present had agreed with me that Neko sounded like a townie under pressure. Omba seemed like a better option then nothing. You can say it was Not Me Over Me. No matter who it was it was going to be 'a wagon out of thin air' because the only wagon besides me was A MASON.
And yes, I'm going to start fingerpointing now that it's done. The wagon ended up on town. It is possible the people ensuring that Omba looked suspicious were doing so to make sure they weren't the next targets of the magical windfall of votes. I can't even do any decent wagon analysis here because there was nothing all the live long day. Nothing solid enough to make a guess on.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 06, 2012, 12:55:09 AM
Mafia sucks as a pre-breakfast responsibility.
Wasn't the Omba wagon my idea, though?
brb.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 06, 2012, 01:02:45 AM
And then Affinity soft-chainsawed Shadoweh with himself
(well not really but it's amusing to think of)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 01:06:12 AM
Remember basically nothing from Affinity unless I actively search out his posts. Willing to policy vote on this alone should it become prudent. Kinda surprised it took him until today to warm to the idea of TownNNR. Everything else of his (which isn't much) just kinda feels like it's there for the sake of being there, if that makes any sense. Wish he would post more when he posts given how little he posts.
Anti-Conq feelings from end of D1 remain (403, before anyone asks). Must admit his interrogation of Shadoweh is solid, but I can't tell who else he thinks is scum. Conq, with what vote would you have opened the day if you were the very first post, why that vote, and do you think that vote is still plausible?
As incongruous with Scumdoweh as this seems, here's a list o' things that make me want to snapvote BT:
- Endorsement of early lynch in 522 - Appeasement, backing-off, and generic call to other players in the last two sentences of 536 - Sarcasm-bordering-on-rhetoric in 548 - Making things personal with last sentence of 566 and most of 569
Don't like any of 'em. Shadoweh aside, would presently vote Conq > BT > Affinity methinx. Seen more things from BT I don't like, but feel stronger about the things I've seen from Conq.
Fake edit: You were one such person! You must have seen something in the guy that made him look like a viable vote candidate to you (maybe it was the terrible way he jumped off the HW wagon, which you pointed out), but you've acted like other wagonites were holding a gun to your head ever since the train reached the station. BT "talked you into it" by pointing out a substantion situational difference that damaged the integrity of a comparison you tried to make so it's his fault you changed your mind instead of yours? Really? Come on.
Fake edit 2: Oh hey Affinity actually posted. Shame it's little of worth. :C You were the first vote for Omba, yes, but Shadoweh started pushing it later as an alternate possibility when there didn't seem to be much more interest in it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 01:11:48 AM
Conq, with what vote would you have opened the day if you were the very first post, why that vote, and do you think that vote is still plausible?
You, actually. I saw your D1 vote on Shadoweh as a lazy votepark (given my townread on her at the time), and your choice of lynches felt non-discriminatory and very go-with-the-flow-ish. Not sure how to describe it. Add to that the fact that you hand-waved my questions to you as "unnecessary time-consuming things," and welp. Is it still valid? Maybe. I don't see anything that makes me scream "not a bus," and I expect that given Shadoweh is actually scum, scum probably shit their pants at the start of the day, thought they messed up somewhere, and piled on her for the bus. But Shadoweh is deffo scum and has to go first, so we'll cross that road if we get there.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 02:56:32 AM
I'm pretty sure scum is laughing their asses off right now actually. If you're so sure pile the vote on pako. I ain't no self-voter as either alignment.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 06, 2012, 02:58:00 AM
I'm sure the QT is a blast. Send my regards. I really do feel for you; rolling scum in a setup with cop + doc + masons.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 06, 2012, 03:00:11 AM
Also, Shadoweh, are you going to provide that Kilga case you were thinking of writing up, or are you finished with the charade? Seriously. If you're town cut the snark and give us something to work with. Your attitude right now is very :(
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 06, 2012, 03:50:21 AM
urghhhhhhh someone someone save me from this game. I'm going to put a 5 minute timer on this post before trying out Gundemonium.
Whoops.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 04:10:44 AM
It's almost like I'm town that is really angry that they're being treated like this. This is so Weather Mafia. I am taking a break from reading this wonderful game and doing things I actually enjoy. At this moment I have no faith anyone will remember a case if I bother to make it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 04:18:26 AM
I'd take it seriously, just like I said I would on the previous calendar day. Even though you'll probably turn around and try to use me taking you seriously against me again. >_>
Conq: So I get no credit for having an actual case on Shadowy? :C I don't normally like playing the timer game but my first post today was made literally 20 minutes after LLD's claim. You think I came up with all that on the fly?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 05:07:34 AM
finally some quality time. Fuck whatever I was thinking: I'm putting on my scumhunting cap (made out of Chitose's skinned hide):
BT iso:
In #104 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850844.html#msg850844) I feel like that comment on LLD was inserted so that when he votes me in the line after, it doesn't look as hypocritical, as previous to 104, BT's only meaningful contribution was about Omba coupled with a few token questions, none of which led to anything like a suspicion or vote .
#108 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850859.html#msg850859) contains wild over justification for the vote in the form of a stretch.
another (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850866.html#msg850866) bad reason: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850879.html#msg850879) the vast majority of prod-dodges are posts without content
if that were true (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850892.html#msg850892) I highly doubt town!BT would have gone through leaps and bounds to justify the vote. Please note all of the reasons above were given after criticism of the vote, and not one was supplied in the initial vote post.
#207 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851470.html#msg851470) reads as honest. But it's a scum-honesty. It serves to back out of his commitment of voting me for a weird reason: "I completely misunderstood his comment regarding myself and I thought he was trying to steer clear from the LLD discussion. <_<"
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851500.html#msg851500) is somewhat redeeming. Namely the Omba vote only. He actually takes a stance and his reasoning is not bad.
#232. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851583.html#msg851583) Meh. dumb question but not scummy. answer obvious that I'm implying Neko made up crap for the vote and is therefore scummy.
good post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851583.html#msg851583) Like the point about Neko when it was current
Rest of posts late day1 were terse but nothing wrong with them.
His Day2 is ok too. And I mean that his posts with Shadoweh are adequate and legitimate responses (there are very tiny things missing).
Read: town.
Glad I plugged up that loose end.
Btw. Shadoweh doesn't sound like scum. Let's not end this day pre-maturely.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 06, 2012, 05:15:55 AM
You have ~44.75 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 06, 2012, 05:16:22 AM
Two things.
1. Disagree with the idea that Shadoweh's indecisiveness reagarding Omba D1 is scummy (feels more null). I just don't see much scum benefit in her being vague about her stance there, and it sounds like Kilga is blowing things up in that respect. In any case, I remember liking her D1 thing against Serela when it was uncool and related switches. I do agree that her case on BT is urgh though and that her play today has been sad in light of yesterday, but hm. Is it a handsome display of anger? Is it AtE? The mind boggles (and I'm okay with lynching her for this anti-town play if she does not shape up, but not main concern now.)
Quote from: Conq
omba as a good vote
2. Still not convinced that BT's two somewhat waffly posts could dispel the weight of Conq's questioning. And omba as the Conq's only scumread at the end of the day did not have much precedent (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851441.html#msg851441), which is kind of the thing. I guess Conq goes for Shadoweh for admirable reasons D2, but it's one-by-one scumhunting + townreads, it seems. Still prefer his lynch for today.
3. I'm nauseated. This game is bleh.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 05:52:53 AM
Don't really follow the BT case. He's 'pretending to scumhunt' by including something okay on LLD and switching to Dan? Then why would scum!BT specially include the LLD thing anyway? Such things seem really null especially on D1, and I am indeed world-weary of people pursuing this.
Omba looks like the cheerleader here, so yeah. Above feels nonsensical given that Serela, Shadoweh have done the same thing, etc, and it feels like an attempt at token questioning.
##Unvote ##Vote: Omba
huhwhat looks like he has retreated into the shadows or something, Bad sign. Conq at least looks somewhat town in his questioning, though content is pretty disagreeable.
I wouldn't want to end the day in a way other than Shadoweh's lynch if LLD is serious, but I guess we have some work to do.
Other than obvious tidbits like Neko being probably town if Shadoweh flips scum, I'm quite flabbergasted by Conq changing opinion on BT from here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851437.html#msg851437) to here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851814.html#msg851814). I also notice that he had nothing more than token coverage of events other than his BT case, giving him room to jump onto other wagons with little justification.
BT is actually pretty good late D1, I think, it's just that his early D1, with what amounts to a votepark on Dan, feels lackluster and stuff. Not sure what to think here.
Well, whatever. Neko seems really town now given his mistakes and recent attitude. Not sold by Serela's fruity loops, and I still find him somewhat suspicious. Conq's limited range on D1 bugs me, and I'm interested to know he's reads for today.
##Vote: Conq
Not feeling good about this especially since you got on Omba's and Conq's case for going after BT's vote on me. (You even say earlier that Conq's ED1 content posts contain disagreeable stuff). You should be considering BT town. that last "Not sure what to think here" is scummy.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 06:03:30 AM
Continuing in 18 or so hours.
##Vote: Affinity
off the cuff I didn't find his iso particularly engaging and I don't like the above.
I'll take a deeper look at the iso tomorrow.
Assuming the following are town based on slips + masons + BT:
Serela Neko BT Rawr HW.
Left to analyze:
Affinity Shadoweh Conq Kilga LLD
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 06, 2012, 06:11:24 AM
It's almost like I'm town that is really angry that they're being treated like this. This is so Weather Mafia. I am taking a break from reading this wonderful game and doing things I actually enjoy. At this moment I have no faith anyone will remember a case if I bother to make it.
Dude, I asked you a serious question and instead you complain and run away. :V The last sentence is insincere. You know very well that we would take anything you wrote seriously; there's a reason you haven't been quicklynched. But right now you're just ducking responsibility. Get back in here; we love you even if you're scum! You also stopped responding to my dialogue. Meanie. ;-; Reality is a harsh mistress.
Conq: So I get no credit for having an actual case on Shadowy? :C I don't normally like playing the timer game but my first post today was made literally 20 minutes after LLD's claim. You think I came up with all that on the fly?
Sorry, but you're skilled enough to come up with that as scum. :ohdear: I know I certainly wouldn't clear myself for something like that. It's really not that hard to make a case on a potential scumbuddy if you know what you're looking for (or if you decided on the case beforehand). Frankly, what worries me more is the intense emphasis you put on having an 'actual case not related to role shenanigans' before LLD revealed she was roleblocked.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 06, 2012, 06:13:26 AM
Dan, read my exchange with Shadoweh. The AtE is irrelevant as emotions can come from both alignments.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 06, 2012, 06:32:30 AM
Also, Shadoweh, if you don't get back in here this is what I'll do to you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E55ni_xc4ww) so you can never run away again. @_@ I know it's probably all an act, but you're a grown woman ffs; don't just run away whining like some herbivore male animu protagonist. Play mafia with us! :D
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 06:40:30 AM
@Conq, I haven't looked at it deeply yet. I'm taking my time and getting in some anal. I'll go compare that game where Shadoweh JUST couldn't handle the pressure to see what I can expect to see if she's using her dastardly charms.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 06:43:26 AM
Kilga, I'm talking about making a case on you. You are the last person I expect to take it seriously.
Conq, you suck. You know I can't resist townie motivation speeches like that. Fine, I will stop quivering in the scum QT and actually do some rereading. I'm getting distracted by niggling thoughts regarding Neko's obliviousness to the cop result and wondering if his constant disbelief is actually him knowing there's no way LLD had anything. Now that I've gotten it out I can enjoy my super slow connection trying to stop me from reengaging in this madness.
GOD WOMAN STOP CUTTING ME I'M READING DAMNI- O_O Holy shit I've seen this movie! I don't remember how it ends. I uhm, I think I turned it off around here <_<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 06, 2012, 06:49:40 AM
1. Disagree with the idea that Shadoweh's indecisiveness reagarding Omba D1 is scummy (feels more null). I just don't see much scum benefit in her being vague about her stance there, and it sounds like Kilga is blowing things up in that respect.
This tells me you didn't actually read the provided summaries. Indecisiveness not problem as much as passing the buck on vote she cast and felt good about.
Akinity opinion inconsistency pointed out by Dan noted. I had actually missed that. No time to research it further at present for possible context explanation, sadly.
Conq: Guess the best I can hope for is that you don't follow some silly "this is possible, therefore it is the most likely explanation" line of thought. Seems conspiracy-theory-ish. Claim to have nothing that says "not a bus" - have anything that says "probably a bus"? Preferably things outside the realm of actions that constitute definition of bus, such as vote.
Fake edit: Have a few theories. Conq/Akinity seems a reasonable guess.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 11:34:20 AM
Kilga, how do you figure Conq is scum with Shadoweh?
If anything, Conq's alignment is reverse proportional to hers.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 11:34:57 AM
Seriously though, Someone give me a pairing that makes a lick of sense.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 06, 2012, 12:47:41 PM
You have ~37 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
Can't review game at present. Don't remember anything off top of head that screams Shadowy/Conq pair impossibility. Possible to cite specific examples? Preferably things from before the grand roleblock reveal.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 01:51:51 PM
Dan/Affinity, although his recent posts makes me want to check Kilga some more. Two of those three, anyway. Conq isn't scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 01:52:22 PM
'His' being Dan's, in which he also points out that bit on Affinity.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 01:53:36 PM
Look for yourself and if you can't see it I can't help you.
Speaking of, here's an updated list of things that need to die:
BT Conq Shadoweh Affinity Dan
(I need to review NNR, I've been neglecting him this game.... Kinda).
Assuming the mason claims are not totally ludicrous and etc (they still die BEFORE lylo, Kay?), here are Townes towns.
The masons Serela Kilga PUTTING NNR HERE BUT LET ME REREAD.
With Conq and Shadoweh not being the scums together, here's the deal.
I'm pretty damn sure I agree with SERELA, when she said that Affinity/BT can be scum with Shadoweh...
Actually I lied. It's BT/Dan or BT/Affinity.
On the other hand, Dan isn't scum with Conq.
So if Conq is scum, barring some kind of mason shenanigans, It's Conq/BT/Affinity.
Hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
I don't think you ever addressed me as a 'thing that needs to die' before, but okay.
Serela with his unelaborated cases and procrastination seems like he's par for the course. There are some interesting spices here and there like his range (doesn't talk much about BT, HW?) and horrible Shadoweh vote, but they cannot mask what is essentially a case with bad taste....
.. oh who am I kidding. That's not Serela.
##Unvote ##Vote: Serela
Thought it was authentic then, not so much now, especially with scum Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
LLD: Not asking for references because I have carefully combed and seen nothing, asking for references because very unable to actually review the thread for next 7.5 hours minimum. Such is curse of work filtering site.
Will certainly look later if I have to, but figured I'd ask for any available quick notes regardless to possibly save some time.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 03:13:02 PM
Scumteam is Dan/Dan/Shadoweh
But in all seriousness looking for scumbuddy connections is something I'll probably reread the thread for some insight on.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Actually my current gut team is Dan/Shadoweh/Affinity to be slightly more serious
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 04:51:56 PM
Accountability for votes one of the foundations of scumhunting. No accountability for votes = anyone can vote for any reason = scum rejoice as they no longer to BS reasoning. Dodging accountability scummy as a result.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
*no longer need to
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 04:54:50 PM
The reasons I went after omba was the lld thing and not so much the dan thing. Don't remember passing much judgement on that.
Kilga: I agree with the bt case being bad. Can't see what 'passing the buck' gives scum.
Feeling better about dan.
??? ??? ??? Why do we suddenly have anon accounts posting
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 04:59:24 PM
Because Selena Milfall is the best C7D character that isn't Chelsea Mamonarge.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 07:08:09 PM
Akinity addend: It should be noted that trying to pass lynch buck is less egregious if one is dragged kicking and screaming into the lynch from the beginning. Shadowy's explanatory post on the matter after her vote and well before the actual lynch indicated that she supported the lynch. Had plenty of time (and was certainly present enough) before deadline for Shadowy to state that she had changed her mind. This did not happen. This is why responsibility should be taken and why blaming BT for correcting faulty reasoning is hogwash.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 06, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
(In before Shadowy points out that the mind change was telegraphed right before the deadline, response is pointing out that it was right before the deadline and not several hours before the deadline)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Neko, a serious question, are you going to post any reads or are you going to continue to actively lurk talking about how many pages there are and how hard everyone is to read?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
I'm going to get a sandwich. bbl
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 07:50:20 PM
also I don't have anything to say to Conq that isn't basically just agreeing to disagree on the motivation behind his actions but I still prefer that lynch over Shadowmeh.
:effort:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 08:05:31 PM
I am not posting as Eyes. You people would remember how much you wanted to lynch them. <_<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 08:31:55 PM
Stuff: The whole Shadoweh is cool and calculated = SCUM case is still bullshit, she saw through the D1 gov gambit, why would she not see through this? Additionally think scum!Shadoweh would have realized that she could live by pushing a Conq lynch and not stated she wasn't interested in it, that's her only hope of surviving the day. I get the feeling LLD is seeing what she wants to see and Conq is piggy-backing off of this. So yeah, changed mind, explicitly against a Shadoweh lynch atm.
Kind of expect most scum to be on Shadoweh regardless of her alignment to make the day as single-minded as possible so we don't get anything out of it.
I'm sure the QT is a blast. Send my regards. I really do feel for you; rolling scum in a setup with cop + doc + masons.
You've spend most of your time referring to the masons acting paranoid about us like you don't really believe we're in the set-up, what the fuck is this post?
This day is terrible and demotivating honestly. rawr hasn't been responding in the QT either. Frustrated.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 08:35:43 PM
Actually Shadoweh, if BT isn't the scummiest now, is Conq still town?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 08:40:57 PM
Gdi. I just went through all my old anony accounts. none of them are free.
>this game
I'm getting back to it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 08:47:11 PM
Shadoweh, I want you to tell me here and know why you think you can read me?
Especially since I've never actually seen you catch me as scum in a game. Ever.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 08:47:43 PM
This will 100% determine my next move btw.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 09:11:05 PM
Besides Protoman, I've never been in a game with you when you've been scum where I've been -alive- past Day 1. I like how insulted you are that I'm implying I could catch you, knowing how proud you are of your scum play. I just know you're doing things just like Bathory and not like that hot chick from Cavalier of the Abyss.
huh what: I'm still pretty sure he's town. His thinking is crystal clear for me to follow during the first day. I feel like he's one of the few people who wasn't messing around. Also he thinks he's teasing me the same way as when I caught him before. :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 09:18:44 PM
Neko, a serious question, are you going to post any reads or are you going to continue to actively lurk talking about how many pages there are and how hard everyone is to read?
I've been too busy to complete said task today, and I have my weekly 5-hour Dungeons and Dragons meeting in about 40 minutes, so I will most likely be unable to do that until late tonight
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 09:20:12 PM
You may notice this is a 22 page topic with 645 posts. It takes a LONG time to reread this topic
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 09:26:11 PM
also, since she didn't mention it: hasn't Shadoweh had good results with strong tunnelly LLD town reads in the past (see JJBA)? I thought that made her response look more reasonable
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 09:29:56 PM
Besides Protoman, I've never been in a game with you when you've been scum where I've been -alive- past Day 1. I like how insulted you are that I'm implying I could catch you, knowing how proud you are of your scum play. I just know you're doing things just like Bathory and not like that hot chick from Cavalier of the Abyss.
huh what: I'm still pretty sure he's town. His thinking is crystal clear for me to follow during the first day. I feel like he's one of the few people who wasn't messing around. Also he thinks he's teasing me the same way as when I caught him before. :V
You are misunderstanding me. But this is making me lean scum on you.
Wanna take one more try at it? I'm not insulted or offended. I want a serious answer. What makes you think youvan read me?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 09:34:12 PM
And this is seriously your last chance Shadoweh. Give me another flippant, detached, dancing around the question, deceiving answer, and you're dead.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
Huh What. Hi! Shadoweh's null response to LLD's bluff isn't the only thing that happened today. Or D1. Also, I can't even recall people voting Shadoweh due to her response alone.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
Did anyone notice how Omba's #218 #220 and #221 were suddenly really on the ball on her trying to kill Shadoweh? It was like, the first TOTALLY SERIOUS KILL IT WITH FIRE vote on Shadoeh, even.
Anyone notice the first thing Shadoweh did after bitching about shitty wagons was her trying to kill Omba?
I rest my case
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 06, 2012, 09:50:28 PM
And that's all she wrote (I'm on page 10) I'm going to guess there'll be alot of scumbuddy connections when it comes down to the wire of D1, since that's where I could see some scum sheeping with whatever Shadoweh says to lynch Omba
Random tinfoil hat scumteam: Shadoweh/Masons
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 06, 2012, 09:50:40 PM
Eh. I could see Shadoweh as either way at this point, but her lynch is far too informationally valuable to not get at this point. (This does NOT mean I think she's not going to flip scum but want to lynch her anyway. I still would bet she's scum over town.)
At this point I'd feel like a horrible townie if I didn't actually say anything else though, I'd basically have just gone "Well let's lynch Shadoweh 'cause why not" all of D2. So let's see here. I'll reread Affinity :D
But I'm posting this now because I think my prod is coming up soon, and 18 hour prods in the future would make me a sad Serela.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 09:53:17 PM
Serela. Shadoweh's late D1 and Shadoweh's recent case on me. Tell me if she's still "either way" after that.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 09:53:35 PM
well I would invite Shadoweh to our quicktopic but I'm pretty sure rawr still thinks she's scum :<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 06, 2012, 09:56:01 PM
I'm not going to be able to actually get to this. I have to go home ---> I'll be V/LA ish over the weekend
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 09:59:24 PM
HW. Let me try processing this again. Why are you clearing Shadoweh?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 06, 2012, 10:11:46 PM
I'm trying not to conspiracy theorist up in this [REDACTED] when I see Affinity soft-defend BT d1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851025.html#msg851025). But I'm going to keep it in mind when either of them flips in the future.
Also noting the Omba push in that post and support of the surprisingly-popular-d1 HW wagon. Ahaha and then the silly "Oh, who am I fooling. That's not Serela. //vote Serela" post. Later Affinity actually sort of soft-pursues BT (more just asks why everyone seems to have dropped him, but still, it's sort of a...) so :Shrug:, but he does move back onto Omba. (This is before there's any Omba wagon at all, him being the only vote)
...oh huh. Then between #180 and #443 there isn't any Affinity posts. He basically drops out for the entire latter half of D1. When I check, it's only about 17 hours of the end of D1 though I guess.
Affinity D2 is alright. But I'd happily vote his D1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
Not actually clearing her but based on her recent posts, I JUST don't think she's scum. Mainly because I see myself acting in a similar way in this situation if I was town and thought LLD was trolling me. She's acting like an indignant townie. See also what I said about self-survival. If I had a really strong towncase for her I would've posted it.
in short I've seen a lot of scum!Shadowehs in my time and don't think this is one. yeah i know i'm really helpful
I don't like NNR's posts today btw. Feels like he's piggybacking on the Shadoweh wagon like Conq is, only with occasional mentions of "DAN SURE IS SCUM" to make it look like he's doing something (he isn't).
the amount of people piggybacking on Shadoweh wagon is bothersome.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
Bothersome? Yes. Scum voting Shadoweh? Nope. Self-survival did not work out well for her LD1. Plus, she's in no immediate danger because no one wants to ~end it~ and she has a mason-confirmed townie prepping the counterwagon for her along with some others. What would stop her from pulling a Not Me Over Me at the end of the day?
Seriously. Look at her case on me. It's oozing with "just gotta make a case" all over. Not to mention it is absolutely horrific.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 10:50:17 PM
Eh. I could see Shadoweh as either way at this point, but her lynch is far too informationally valuable to not get at this point. (This does NOT mean I think she's not going to flip scum but want to lynch her anyway. I still would bet she's scum over town.)
Did you seriously just use the 'informationally valuable' argument. That is the worse argument in the history of ever and always has been. It's not really informational at all. You're never going to be able to tell the difference between people pursuing me for the 'right' reasons, the scummy reasons, or the bandwagon reasons.
Lambda, respectfully go fuck yourself. I could not give a flying fuck what hoop you want me to fly through to get your approval. If you don't like my answer then that's your problem. You're not being helpful in the slightest. Unfortunately that's what's so town about you. I find it more likely pigs are going to come shooting out of your butt then you actually changing your mind when you think you've 'won'.
Did anyone notice how Omba's #218 #220 and #221 were suddenly really on the ball on her trying to kill Shadoweh? It was like, the first TOTALLY SERIOUS KILL IT WITH FIRE vote on Shadoeh, even. Anyone notice the first thing Shadoweh did after bitching about shitty wagons was her trying to kill Omba? I rest my case
Can you try to answer seriously instead of making the worst cases ever? This is something Serela would post while half asleep. When you were Nuko you were better then this. Stop having fun at my expense.
BT we're past that now get with the program. Self survival seemed to work fine yesterday, I'm still alive aren't I? Saying I'm not in immediate danger is a joke. Until today even Jesus wanted me dead. As for not me over me. You're trying to frame me now for a choice any sane townie would make. As it is I don't really see my toxic slot living being better then someone I really think is town who can still fend for himself the next day.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 06, 2012, 10:55:13 PM
I'm not saying you're necessarily plotting a not me over me, I was explaining why using that self-defense point is dumb. <_<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 06, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
You have ~27 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Anon posts have been purged, don't do it again. This is your one and only warning in regards to this matter.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 11:09:09 PM
just pointing out that I said something serious in that Alice post you deleted, along the lines of "I don't think Shadoweh is scum but her buddies would be BT/Affinity" in response to LLD
though at the moment i think rex makes more sense than affinity
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 11:10:03 PM
also deleting those posts was dumb because aside from nuko's they were serious posts and there was no rule against it
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 06, 2012, 11:16:04 PM
There shouldn't have to be a rule not to post in anonymous accounts in non-anon games <_<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 06, 2012, 11:16:14 PM
0) Whatever the mod says goes. In addition, these rules may be changed at any time.
I would have thought that it would have been obvious enough that you should post only from one account. Perhaps you are one of those people that require the warning on chainsaws that read "Do not attempt to stop blade with hands or genitals."
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 06, 2012, 11:30:49 PM
FGDGSSGGDFGS. BECAUSE I AM JUST THAT FUCKING GOOD OKAY. I AM BETTER AT READING HER THEN YOU ARE AND HER ATTITUDE TOWARDS ME WAS FULL OF SHIT LIKE SHE WANTED ME TO CONFESS. I AM ONE OF THE FEW GOD DAMN PEOPLE WHO CAN FUCKING READ LLD AS SOMETHING OTHER THEN LOL-TROLLING AND I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE IS SCREWING ME OVER BECAUSE OF IT.
Why would you even investigate me, fuck. You couldn't go bother Kilgamayan some more, or harrass Conq, you had to pick me to have this fun idea against. The best part is I don't think you would have pushed this gambit on them, you thought you could pressure me because you know me, and like every other time YOU PEOPLE DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT ME.
Shadoweh, I don't think you get to throw that respectfully in front of there.
When you stop being a sullen buttmunch, you'll note that I can't decide if this post is indignant town or angry scum.
Because I could see you being angry that you are getting caught for all the wrong reasons.
Which is why I wanted to know why you thought you could read me, because you mentioned it here.
So you can "respectfully" go fly a kite.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 06, 2012, 11:38:43 PM
Perhaps you are one of those people that require the warning on chainsaws that read "Do not attempt to stop blade with hands or genitals."
maybe I like stopping chainsaws with my genitals, who are you to judge me :colbert:
point was more that deleting the posts outright was detrimental to the game (and affinity's was obviously a mistake) so yeah
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 06, 2012, 11:44:37 PM
Then repost it from your normal account.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 07, 2012, 12:17:03 AM
DrRawr has been prodded.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
Game pretty horribly unfun to read through given recent events. Still didn't see anything that screams oppo-alignments for Shadowert and Conq. Never been great at calling pairings without a solid flip, though. (Could still see Affinity with them because I could see Affinity with just about anyone.)
HW if you're concerned with the nature of the Shadowert wagon you could always pick 439 apart. <_< Also, whatever your (or anyone else's) feelings are on the buck-passing thing are, you could also consider that it's been over 24 hours since her vote for me and she still hasn't provided reasons for it despite having the other most-willing-to-vote-me person in the game as an active audience member waiting for said case. Consider that Conq would be perfectly glad to vote for me in a vacuum (594) then look at 597 and 599 and tell me the latter is a townie attitude.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 07, 2012, 01:51:14 AM
Turns out my phone was still logged into that account. Sorry about fucking my first ever phonepost up. >_>
Quote
The reasons I went after omba was the lld thing and not so much the dan thing. Don't remember passing much judgement on that.
Kilga: I agree with the bt case being bad. Can't see what 'passing the buck' gives scum.
Feeling better about dan.
Quoted for easier ISOs or whatever.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 01:52:31 AM
You've spend most of your time referring to the masons acting paranoid about us like you don't really believe we're in the set-up, what the fuck is this post?
Oh boyyy. I didn't want to open this can of worms but here we go. On a logical level, I don't think you and rawr are scum fakeclaiming masons. Doing that Day 1, even under the threat of lynch, is either dumb or gambit-y, and I don't think it fits your style of gambit. On a more personal level, I absolutely want you two dead. Your vapid defense of Shadoweh after you talked about she could have been scum on D1 in your opening D2 post is dumb because the bulk of your defense (which I'll get to in a sec) as I read it is THE REACTION TEST WAS DUMB AND SHADOWEH ISN'T SCUM FOR IT. Which is completely missing the point Meanwhile rawr is the mother of all lumps and is lurking harder than he did last game when I was scum with him. Which is just sad.
If you want to be treated like "confirmed town" masons, then you have to fucking earn it. As it is your attitude right now is about a few notches away from manning the popemobile and cruising around using the royal we.
It's funny how you say people are seeing what they want to see with regards to Shadoweh, when if there's any one person who fits that description best it's...gasp...wait for it...you.
Posting this in chunks as it's easier that way.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 02:08:05 AM
Additionally think scum!Shadoweh would have realized that she could live by pushing a Conq lynch and not stated she wasn't interested in it, that's her only hope of surviving the day.
She can't push a convincing lynch on me because she's scum and she thinks I'm obvtown. But in any case, as BT says, all she has to do is vote not me over me at the end of the day.
I get the feeling LLD is seeing what she wants to see and Conq is piggy-backing off of this. So yeah, changed mind, explicitly against a Shadoweh lynch atm.
Explain plox. I get the feeling you haven't read any of my or LLD's exchanges with Shadoweh.
Not actually clearing her but based on her recent posts, I JUST don't think she's scum. Mainly because I see myself acting in a similar way in this situation if I was town and thought LLD was trolling me. She's acting like an indignant townie.
Her response also fits indignant scum pretty well, if you're going the :gut: route. But let's follow this line of thought. If LLD claimed a fake guilty on you, you'd say she was trolling, then follow a woe is me routine about how your death was out of your hands? This is basically what Shadoweh is saying. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853043.html#msg853043) But yeah, indignation is not a towntell by any means; if I were scum I'd be rightfully pissed off at being outwitted by a cop that was supposedly neutered by roleblock.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 02:15:59 AM
Also, for huhwhat, Kilga has written walls upon walls of why Shadoweh is scum based on her D1 play to supplement your own D1 case. So there's that.
Shadoweh, name your three picks for scum please.
Anyway, I guess I could see something like Shadoweh/Kilga/Affinity, although I'm warming up to Kilga town recently because it's like he's the only sane person in a sea of madmen. I'm also not sure if scum!Affinity would be this blatant about starting a counterwagon to a scumbuddy who is by most measures dead to rights. Shadoweh/BT/Neko also works I guess.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 02:21:58 AM
Don't you dare start liking me now, you'll just give Shadowy further excuse to not post her case on me. >:O
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 07, 2012, 02:24:08 AM
@Kilga: Which is my point; since she wasn't 'dragged' into the Omba vote, why would she put herself into it? Why would she change her mind when she could just stay on Omba all the way? So that she could blame other people for it? It feels sort of conspiracy-ey and null, not the scum modus operadi. Of course, her votes on D2 suck and stuff but what the hell.
Also personally I like Eryth Milfall slightly better. :<
Serela wanting to vote me for not being around in D1 and the BT thing is pretty stupid. Room to jump on my wagon? Hm.
I guess too many people are dancing around the Shadoweh lynch for me to feel very invested in this game. Everyone not on Conq or me seems to be reliant on Shadoweh's flip for future reads, making the day seem extremely tentative with jibes everywhere. By content alone, Serela, rawr, and NNR could all be seen as having horrible D2s, and it's really sigh.
Shall be tentative for now too. Let me reread Conq's later posts and BT's.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 02:25:06 AM
Don't you dare start liking me now, you'll just give Shadowy further excuse to not post her case on me. >:O
Pretty sure Shadoweh's never going to post her case at this point (she probably didn't have one in the first place). We're almost down to 24 hours; soon she'll be looking for ~*deadline lynches*~.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Oh wait, I forgot Dan was in this game. Uh, he could be scum with BT or something. I wish he weren't V/LA all the time so I could get a better read but w/e.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 02:34:45 AM
Akinity I can't tell exactly what you're asking of me, sorry :C Could you possibly rephrase?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 07, 2012, 02:43:15 AM
You have ~23.25 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 07, 2012, 04:04:41 AM
I didn't read the last page but I want to ask LLD a question. Why go through this whole reaction test (regardless of wether you would have aborted early or not based on initial reactions) and instead just push Shadoweh as the lynch for today, because I'm pretty sure people were initially looking at her hard for her D1 play (I know I was). No one would be the wiser that you were a cop.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 05:57:13 AM
I wouldn't have to make a case if I already had one printed ready to go. -_- I think I would prefer to just tell you to lynch me faster so we can finish this farce of a day and you can get to making real cases tomorrow. I would vote myself but it messes with analysis and I want to see both Neko and Conq take the plunge they keep threatening me with. Instead I'll just say I have no intention of arguing with anyone anymore. I have no motivation to give.
My picks right now are Neko and BT (yes I changed my mind again). BT's reason for saying I'm scum today has been 'have you seen her case on me it is so bad'. Neko's case is some measure of wow worse. I can't pin how I feel about Kilga any better then the general sense that he's lurking in the shadowehs. I think he's trying to hard to appeal. I don't have the ~*~evidence~*~ to push it at this point. You can call it GUT! =D
I still think Conq is town. Lambda is town please shoot her in the face scumteam. Dan is town h5 and Serela is town that isn't getting any cookies from me this time.
This player will self-destruct in 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 06:04:45 AM
Oh yeah, one other thing. If they're still alive in LYLO, Rawr should answer:
1) Are you masons or neighbours with huh what 2) If you are neighbours was it huh what's idea to claim masons
FWIW I think huh what is town so it's redundant but eh
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 06:07:22 AM
Can you try to answer seriously instead of making the worst cases ever? This is something Serela would post while half asleep. When you were Nuko you were better then this. Stop having fun at my expense.
I still have like 300 posts to work through, I was simply posting something that caught my attention. It's just something to stoke the fire, that's all. If you really think you can write me off as bullshitting on that post alone, then wait here while I grab my barrel o laughs and roll it down at you.
I have been away from my computer pretty much most of the day, and I have things other then Mafia that need my attention when I do have it, at that.
PS my posts about Dan being scum aren't exactly the most serious HW, I'm pretty much ready to lynch Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 06:08:59 AM
Also why are you getting on my case about a question like "who do I think your scumbuddies are" when you can't even make a simple case on Kilga
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 06:21:27 AM
"Why me? Youre just as bad as me! ;-;"
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 06:21:48 AM
I really want the scumteam to be Shadoweh/Masons actually but at the same time it doesn't exactly seem plausible.
More realistically it would be Shadoweh/BT/Dan because of all the attempted busses these guys have tried on eachother, although I dunno about BT as much.
I still have gut on Affinity though so I think she could fit in somewhere. Conq I haven't really looked at much for D2 but his D1 posts were really town-sounding Serela is apparently cleared town for being an idiot. I guess she can come sit in the idiot boat with me? BT doesn't actually scream scum to me, I don't really get the case on him, he doesn't actually seem that bad. I like Kilga still. If she turned out scum that sure would be some kind of super elaborate bus she pulled off. Strong dislike for Masons. Have really bad gut on them. Wish they weren't "confirmed".
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 07, 2012, 06:50:43 AM
Oh yeah, one other thing. If they're still alive in LYLO, Rawr should answer:
1) Are you masons or neighbours with huh what 2) If you are neighbours was it huh what's idea to claim masons
FWIW I think huh what is town so it's redundant but eh
yes shadowh were masons not neigbhors
conq im probably think shadoweh is town. I cant actually understand the reasoning behind why lld thinks shadoweh is scum because i cant read peoples reactions at all. kilgas case seems pretty cool and all but this part really bothers me
Quote
Yeah. Somehow not really feeling that a townie would start a wagon, jerk away from it, pull back onto it with at least some enthusiasm for it
seeing as it was the end of the day with as you mentioned pressure and to go along with it the counter wagon was shadoweh herself so i guess i can see town doing it
@mod requesting a replacement
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 07:06:02 AM
BT's reason for saying I'm scum today has been 'have you seen her case on me it is so bad'.
I... what.
Hint: You responded to my case with your own.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 07:07:52 AM
I don't feel like arguing the semantics anymore. Since you're already getting your wish, in the mystical world where I flip town at the end of the day, who do you think the scum are?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 07:09:57 AM
You have ~18.75 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 07:49:53 AM
Shadoweh if you're VT and get lynched today you should sub in for rawr.
motivation to play this game is in the negatives now that my mason buddy subbed out but i'm not going to get lynched for not doing anything so welp. i'll try to respond to stuff tomorrow
hate on me for this if you want conq, you're probably scum so idc
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 08:11:09 AM
I mean I knew I wasn't going to have fun playing this game when I read my role PM and saw that I was scum with only one buddy anyway. ##Vote HW
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 08:11:15 AM
j/k that was a reaction test ##Unvote ##vote Conq
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 08:34:32 AM
actually this is really bugging me so i'll say it while i'm still awake: conq how am i "seeing what i want to see"? i guess i want the person everyone is piling on who i even thought was playing irritantingly and later leaned scummy to flip town so that i can lose the game?????
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
bard <3
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 01:04:37 PM
Right, so here's Shadoweh's definition of "town play":
Do your reads change constantly with no rhyme or reason, while your vote stays parked on someone who is p. Obviously town? Check.
Do you, instead of answering questions and helping people read you as town, bitch moan complain about how bad the fact you are being lynched is, while doing ZERO to prevent it, other than throwing your hands up in the air, giving up and essentially playing the apathy card? Check.
Do you on a consistent basis give terrible manufactured reads? Check.
Well, Shadoweh is clearly town guys. GG. I mean, her demeanor says it all. She is ENTITLED to not be lynched because, well, SHE'S SHADOWEH~~~~!!!!!!!!! We aren't ALLOWED to lynch her for somethig SHE deems STUPID AND BENEATH HER.
At this point it doesn't matter. If Shadoweh is town, the scum team is Conq/Dan/Affinity.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 07, 2012, 01:15:24 PM
You have ~12.75 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 01:16:21 PM
OR
Conq/Dan/BT. But this one is much less likely.
If Shadoweh is scum, pairings are:
BT/Affinity Dan/Affinity BT/Dan (this one is awkward and I don't think it's right but....)
Because to be honest:
Kilga is town. Huh what and Rawr are... Masons. (Remember, one dies before lylo). Serela is a townie. Neko is a townie. (I'm town).
Which leaves me with 5 people 3 scum. (assuming no mason shenanigans).
Shadoweh and Conq aren't scum together.
So I've got 3 slots for 2 people (since I'm positive that Dan/BT/Affinity isn't the scum team)
Dan, why is Shadoweh town?
Affinity, why are you voting Conq over Shadoweh?
BT, Why is Shadoweh scum?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 01:54:10 PM
@LLD
Very quiet first-half-of-D1 spent parking on Serela. Mostly null because of lazy town possibility.
Second half is bad. Sheep to Conq's case that tells us nothing in the event of my flip, and also allows a change of vote to NNR, which is a blatant wagon jump - she doesn't have an opinion on him but "dan + masons is a townie wagon" so it's excusable (a very poor excuse for a survival jump). Relates to this from today:
As it is I don't really see my toxic slot living being better then someone I really think is town who can still fend for himself the next day.
Can't lynch Conq today despite ~survival~ because he's town, but waffles on every potential counterwagon during D1 so survival jumps are okay?
Push on Omba while simultaneously "passing the buck" as it were has been gone over a million times.
D2 is a null (at best) reaction to the fake followed by crying scum [me, I'm the scum] and later a horribly twisted case (which very likely was done in a hurry, pointing at every little thing possible). Later unvote+vote on Kilga is even more daunting and confirms the lacking or fake conviction behind the former case. Overall lack of real presence as of late.
Again, scumteam is Shadoweh/Dan/Affinity. Kilga looks town, comment about "voting Shadoweh for the right reasons" for example.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 02:34:40 PM
I am here, and what the fuck.
##Unvote ##Vote: Huh What
Stop claiming goddamn scum, it makes me want to lynch you so goddamn hard like you would not fucking believe.
Reading through the thread more closely now, if someone can bring me up to speed why X is scum that'd be fantastic. Shadoweh is Scum because her reaction to LSD's Cop claim was "lol ure trolling" instead of "unpossible omg scum"? Can someone clarify the case on her outside of that?
Apparently my vote was on Conqueror. Why was it on Conqueror? Let me read Rawr's posts and glean what I can.
##Unvote
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 02:46:02 PM
#700
Kind of a summary, and since it's my summary it might be lacking! Kilga's ISO and my ISO should fill in some blanks if they exist. Also I don't think anyone is voting her for her reaction at this point.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
Apparently I'm a mason with Huh What? What? Lemme strangle Dormio for clarifications, there's nothing in my role PM that confirms Huh What as Town to me, so unless I'm missing something here I'm not so sure why the two claimed confirmed Town masons.
And ffs Dormio just went to sleep. Fantastic.
@BT: Yeah that'd require me to read posts so let me ISO Shadoweh and Conq real quick-like and see if I don't rail at their lynches.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 03:30:04 PM
Apparently I'm a mason with Huh What? What? Lemme strangle Dormio for clarifications, there's nothing in my role PM that confirms Huh What as Town to me, so unless I'm missing something here I'm not so sure why the two claimed confirmed Town masons.
And ffs Dormio just went to sleep. Fantastic.
@BT: Yeah that'd require me to read posts so let me ISO Shadoweh and Conq real quick-like and see if I don't rail at their lynches.
Wait wait wait.
You're saying Huh What is NOT confirmed town to you?
Oh he can die. He can die in the purest of holy cleansing fires.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 03:34:30 PM
Until modscum confirms that he is
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 03:35:16 PM
Will honestly find it hard to believe that they'd outed themselves like that without mod confirmation first.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 04:04:39 PM
Conq Read:
Vaguely unhappy about prodding Kilga to provide content about why he says Lambda is antagonistic.
Severely unhappy with... not having a vote down here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851402.html#msg851402) but cheerleading the Huh What wagon along. But Bard, I hear you say, he's not saying Huh What's a good wagon! He isn't indeed, but he's providing reasons to vote Huh What in accusing Huh What of having a terrible LSD vote. Maybe I parse this wrong. Can you elaborate, Conq, what your feelings were on Huh What then and on Huh What now?
I'm rather unhappy with this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851861.html#msg851861) as well; why should a vig shoot Kilga? This comes entirely out of left field and I'm left wondering why the hell you would try to direct vig actions onto someone you've hardly even mentioned aside from a slapfight at the start.
Further unhappy with cheerleading a SHadoweh wagon (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852813.html#msg852813). If you buy into the reaction test then why did you not vote it? In fact, why didn't you vote at all? In fact you've trolled through the day without putting a vote down AT ALL.
The entire case on Shadoweh proffered by Conq is that "Shadoweh wouldn't be like this", which I find a weak argument considering everyone can have off days or just not feel like doing X which they normally do. What other reasons do you have for suspecting Shadoweh is scum, Conq?
Conq, who is scum?
Shadoweh next.
Cut by LSD. I'm saying that there is nothing in my role PM that says Huh What is Town. Nor is there an explicit "Mason" in my role PM anywhere so. Yeah.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 04:11:16 PM
EBWOP: To clarify the flavour says we're friends and shit and that's why we value each other and rely on each other at all times. Even now. Nothing in that flavour suggests that being friends equals being masons. I still need to sift through the Mason QT but so far I see Huh What claiming Scum and I want to lynch him for that. Townies DO NOT CLAIM SCUM.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 04:13:32 PM
HW's been claiming scum since confirmation phase even
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
Oooookay Shadoweh read will have to wait a few since I need to do grocery shopping and fix dinner, but I'll be back before deadline.
Off-hand I don't think I support a Shadoweh lynch but do support a Conq lynch.
##Vote: Conqueror
People I have read: - Conq - LSD - Huh Whatty - Rawr
HW's been claiming scum since confirmation phase even
Why isn't he lynched yet, again?
If people want to swap to a Huh What lynch I'm with you all the way, this is goddamn lame play and there's no reason a Townie should ever claim Scum. 10/10 would lynch again. SO anyone interested in a magic miracle Huh Whatty wagon?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 04:21:06 PM
If I didn't need a dead Shadoweh hanging from the tallest tree, I'd gladly turbo lynch Huh What.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 04:23:26 PM
Kind of want to see if they had a [very good] reason for claiming masons first. Whole thing looks awkward.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 04:27:55 PM
BTW, Bard. If Huh What is scum, you have to die before lylo.
Not your fault in particular, but Rawr was the one who initiated the Mason claim so.... Just saying. Nothing personal but you'd need to eat a bullet too.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 04:54:30 PM
Posting from Ikea cafeteria.
Would not support HW lynch. Have had little to no problem with content, have no problem with attitude.
Getting awfully tired with people dismissing Shadowy case based on thinking entire case is based off reaction to copclaim. Like everyone (except Conq) has me on ignore. Posts 439 and 669 great reasons to vote for Shadowy that are not "she reacted the wrong way".
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Affinity on July 07, 2012, 05:29:24 PM
A huhwhat quicklynch today is not thrilling. Don't see scum!huhwhat 'tricking' town rawr into thinking they are masons or such. There's also a laughable lack of information to be garnered from it.
You know what, I'm tired of Shadoweh. Let's lynch her guts for being so unhelpful. Still don't think the D1 reasons really hold true, but when people are holding off taking stances despite jibing at others (like NNR, Serela), then it's plain that they should die.
##Unvote ##Vote: Shadoweh
Feel slightly better about Conq due to him doing things like dropping cases, but the same problems with him (one-track scumhunting) has not changed.
I'm rushing here because I'm tired. Might not be around for the deadline.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 05:45:32 PM
I haven't voted because I didn't want Shadoweh to self-hammer early you derp. Although it's kinda moot now with the above. Or maybe I was...gasp...giving her a chance to redeem hersel! A chance that she didn't take. LLD sums her D2 up nicely if you want to just ignore everything I've said.
conq how am i "seeing what i want to see"? i guess i want the person everyone is piling on who i even thought was playing irritantingly and later leaned scummy to flip town so that i can lose the game?????
This is your logic so far on D2. Shadoweh is doing these things --> that doesn't necessarily make her scum --> Shadoweh is town. If you think she's doing scummy things why do you think she will flip town? Maybe everyone is piling on her because it's just that obvious. Jesus christ.
Not worth responding to the rest of that pile of derp.
lol@"masons"; explains a lot really
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 05:49:57 PM
The entire case on Shadoweh proffered by Conq is that "Shadoweh wouldn't be like this", which I find a weak argument considering everyone can have off days or just not feel like doing X which they normally do. What other reasons do you have for suspecting Shadoweh is scum, Conq?
If you're going to twist it this way, every scum case ever made is invalid because the player could just be having an off day! Mafia isn't a game of surefire tells an such; it's a game of probabilities and mind-reading where you try to figure out whether or not someone was playing with town or scum motivation. Scummy play is scummy and should be lynched unless there's good reason for the contrary.
Which there most definitely isn't in this case.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 05:52:17 PM
And for Bard, the rest of your questions in that post you'll see I've already answered if you actually read any of my posts. Which you clearly haven't. :ohdear: Reading games is overrated.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
Nyo ho ho~
Huhwhat is only a neighbor? hahahahahahahahahahaha *applause*
Oh god that's rich.
Thanks HW for all that effort. I know who I'm lynching tomorrow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 06:21:24 PM
I'm currently ready to put my vote down on Shadoweh, making her L-1. I'll probably do it in an hour or two unless someone objects.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
Affinity just put Shadoweh at L-1, so it would be the hammer. Just FYI. I'm personally ready to hammer whenever, but I want Shadoweh to come perform her last rites first, if she would so kindly oblige.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 06:26:50 PM
Who needs last rites?
She forfeited those with her play today. It's time to bring down the Axe over her head.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
As much as I'd like to, I purrfur not to cut off discussion so abruptly, Tao.
I'll just hold my hammervote over her head until the time wanes or everyone bugs me to (or somebody else does it)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 06:39:30 PM
On that note, not going to be lynching HW for this. Decision to lie about masons is extremely stupid but is pretty much null. Reasons for doing so may exist. Late D1 was town. D2 was kind of out there but is not scum. If people end up lynching him for being stupid I will virtually hit myself with a very large hammer.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 06:40:12 PM
Accidentally missed a page. Post was directed at Neko's #719.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 07:00:07 PM
But there's a kicker that he claimed on D1 with pretty much no pressure.
It's an awful big gambit to claim Mason when you're a neighbor normally, but to do it so pointlessly just confirms that he's up to no good. Plus "claiming scum" from Bard.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
What amuses me greatly is that everyone is glaring at HW for this and not Dr.Rawr/Bard >.>
Rawr was the one who claimed mason in the first place.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
There's probably all sorts of juicy info about this we don't know about since we don't have access to the QT. I'm waiting for HW to give his say before I start deciding whether I think either of them need to be lynched.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 07:14:29 PM
Like I said, reasons for doing so may exist. Dude didn't show up yet. Feel like showing willingness to turbolynch is jumping the gun.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 07:23:16 PM
Will be phone-only until deadline, and battery could be higher. Contact thus intermittent.
Bard did say he was asking mod clarification. Getting hungry for HW's head before said clarification as well as before HW response bad idea. Scummy bad, not derp bad.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 07:25:41 PM
As much as I'd like to, I purrfur not to cut off discussion so abruptly, Tao.
I'll just hold my hammervote over her head until the time wanes or everyone bugs me to (or somebody else does it)
Meow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 07:27:14 PM
The idea of scum trying to cause a fiasco and get their neighbor bud mislynched after replacing in and finding the modconfirmed-town claim was fake, did come to mind, yeah.
I'm highly interested in what HW has to say.
(Of course, asking for mod confirmation would have to be a lie if he's actually scum, so Kilga's post reads to me as a bit... off. But...)
But yeah
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
The idea of scum trying to cause a fiasco and get their neighbor bud mislynched after replacing in and finding the modconfirmed-town claim was fake, did come to mind, yeah.
I'm highly interested in what HW has to say.
(Of course, asking for mod confirmation would have to be a lie if he's actually scum, so Kilga's post reads to me as a bit... off. But...)
But yeah
Do I have to Meow at you too?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 07:32:35 PM
It wouldn't accomplish much because I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean :C
I'm just babbling to pass the time while I wait for HW to show up or to do something with someone on one of these other chats I'm on. Or for food to magically appear. I'm hungry. Maybe I'll go to the store and buy something.
It's so hot though... and I'd have to go outside. It's so hot -inside-, but it's even hotter out there D: At least on Monday it's going down to 73 degrees... <3
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 07:33:26 PM
/me reads previous post just made by self
uhhh I'm just gonna shut up until HW appears >.> <.<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 07:51:30 PM
It wouldn't accomplish much because I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean :C
I'm just babbling to pass the time while I wait for HW to show up or to do something with someone on one of these other chats I'm on. Or for food to magically appear. I'm hungry. Maybe I'll go to the store and buy something.
It's so hot though... and I'd have to go outside. It's so hot -inside-, but it's even hotter out there D: At least on Monday it's going down to 73 degrees... <3
Meow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
1) never claimed scum in the quicktopic so i'm not sure what bard is on, unless he's just flipping out over "hw posted facetiously in the main thread" which is an overreaction 2) rawr and i were heavily reading eachother as town and i didn't "trick" him into thinking we were masons, it was entirely voluntary, bard can confirm this since he has quicktopic access. i still think the slot is town, bard is just furious
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 08:06:21 PM
1) never claimed scum in the quicktopic so i'm not sure what bard is on, unless he's just flipping out over "hw posted facetiously in the main thread" which is an overreaction 2) rawr and i were heavily reading eachother as town and i didn't "trick" him into thinking we were masons, it was entirely voluntary, bard can confirm this since he has quicktopic access. i still think the slot is town, bard is just furious
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Agreeably terrible terrible play to claim masons just because you two read each other as town. Would quite literally share the above sentiments but unfortunately I agree with those reads.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
But... But... KINZO.
HOW CAN YOU DISAGREE WITH KINZO?
LET ALONE JETPACK KINZO?!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 08:10:40 PM
Scum first. Maybe at postgame.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
You're scum aren't you :(
Only scum can resist Jetpack!Kinzo =(
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 08:18:48 PM
Eh, makes sense to me. If you have a strong town read on someone, would you rather have other people lynch them, or not have other people lynch them?
Of course, it becomes a different matter if you later change your mind (Especially if you're dead by then), so it's not exactly a flawless plan by any means, but it at least makes sense why someone would do it.
I think the shenanigans related around their role is null, at the least.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 08:22:41 PM
Situation is worse than I thought if we have Serelas agreeing with this kind of judgement. Clearing like that despite quite possibly being completely wrong is horrifying.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
Explanation noted, stance unchanged. I don't begrudge the fooling around, people have been acting in an eyeroll-inducing manner all game. Most likely stress relief. Haven't seen horrible play from either party otherwise outside of .rar's being generically low on content, and replacement situation offers potential explanation for why.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
Of course, it becomes a different matter if you later change your mind (Especially if you're dead by then)
that won't be a problem if we don't flip "mason"
i think scum!rawr would've just claimed neighbors and let me get lynched without giving a fuck
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
BT:Let me put it for you this way.
You are a neighbor with someone. You strongly think they are town. They are in danger of being lynched. The other likely lynches are people you think are scum. Would you rather have your buddy get lynched, or the person you think is scum? If you claim mason, this dream comes true.
Even if you don't really agree with it, it makes perfectly fine sense why someone would do it.
Also yeah that's a pretty good reason to think Rawrbard is town, HW.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 08:30:43 PM
Although having a townie buddy to help you lynch everyone else like you're third party lovers except not really can be nifty. So whatever. I don't know if rawr would have that much insight, but if he had been scum maybe his buddies would ha-OH MY GOD I'M JUST GOING TO STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS :I
I'm hungry. I'm going to go eat something. Shadoweh come over here your left arm looks particularly scrumptious today and you won't be needing it much longer anyway
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 08:34:30 PM
keep in mind that if i thought rawr starting sounding scummy i could have broken off the mason claim at any time. if he was milking me for a town pass, that could be potentially dangerous for him if my reads were right, especially since for meta reasons he'd be expected to sheep me most of the time
so yeah i think bard just feels trolled because he wanted to be confirmed town or something, wouldn't lynch him
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
PX-sama, teach me your self-hammering ways! Release me from this hell where everyone is insane! That backpack is the best case I have seen ever. I've done this gambit before though so eh. Judge on play not on roles, isn't that what everyone has been screaming while arranging this nice pile of tinder around me?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 08:42:26 PM
In thinking about it, I guess Dan's "hmmmmm" post about roles turned out to be 'right' in a way. :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 08:47:17 PM
PX-sama, teach me your self-hammering ways! Release me from this hell where everyone is insane! That backpack is the best case I have seen ever. I've done this gambit before though so eh. Judge on play not on roles, isn't that what everyone has been screaming while arranging this nice pile of tinder around me?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 08:49:06 PM
^ Just so people know that's the Chapter 3 Execution Video so you shouldn't watch it. Lambda spoilers omgwtf
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 08:52:27 PM
Er, I totally wasn't thinking about that.
You're right though, if anyone is lagging in reading Dangan >.>
Sowwy!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 08:53:05 PM
(though I still think the sentiment was there and funny)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 08:53:44 PM
also bt how was the gambit "terrible play"? nobody complained when shadoweh and ice did it and they were the reason rawr brought it up. we were expecting me to go from lynch target to n1 kill and also make rawr obvtown
firetruck should be saved for conq btw
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 08:55:29 PM
FYI alot of people complained about it during the game itself and I didn't die until Night 3 for the reasons Lambda said about one confirming the other so that was a silly expectation. I also said it was a stressful thing and I wouldn't do it again. :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 08:59:31 PM
As long as you don't choose to out the secret yourself you can potentially leave a scum as confirmed town. Flips don't stop this because "yeah we were confirmed to each other though, just have a different rolename than 'masons'" and not much can be done about that.
I wasn't aware that Shadoweh/ICE weren't masons. I stopped reading the game at some point. :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
I still feel like one of the "masons" is scum in this case. Serela's insight did make me think I might have suddenly jumped the gun on HW a bit early, but I still think there's scum in one of the two.
FYI alot of people complained about it during the game itself and I didn't die until Night 3 for the reasons Lambda said about one confirming the other so that was a silly expectation. I also said it was a stressful thing and I wouldn't do it again. :V
i don't really remember the complaints?
also we shot you n2 not n3 and that was mainly because i a) wanted to not shoot the masons to incite paranoia, and b) don't shoot shadowehs on n1
also also being "confirmed town" is the only thing that has made this shitty game not stressful but alright
BT cut: my role name is explicitly "Neighbor"
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
Oh. Then suddenly it's almost passable.
No Neko they're not scum. Do you actually have any solid reasons for thinking they are?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
But then again Bard's reaction didn't seem like something he would do as scum, blatantly outing the duo as non-masons if he wanted to keep the town cred himself or if both were scum. Seemed like a blatantly townie slip post.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 09:06:48 PM
bard's slot is obvtown. if people lynch me and then turbolynch him afterwards because "one of the neighbors has to be scum" i will be very frustrated
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 09:09:58 PM
would somebody remind me why neko is town
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
Jerk. >:< Bard's slot is pretty townie. I wish I could play with him longer. OH BARDICHE I ONLY WANT TO DIE BY YOUR HAMMER!
##Unvote ##Vote: NekoNekoRex
If you jerks get bored of voting me this is something I actually support. I refuse to vote Conq on principle at this point even if it's to save myself. I'm feeling particularily brain damaged today so yell at me post game if you want. I am all out of /care.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
yeah tl;dr the not-masons are still pretty much town
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
:smug: So can you actually come up with some reasons to back up that vote?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 09:17:59 PM
conq lynch isn't even happening at this point and we're not last minute wagoning, i just don't want to hammer before bard gets back.
if we get a lld roleblock + bard kill (which we probably will) then chances are the "hw is obvscum because ____" train will claim any attempts i make to utilize the quicktopic to post his lastwords are untrustworthy, so yeah
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 09:24:15 PM
I still feel like one of the "masons" is scum in this case. Serela's insight did make me think I might have suddenly jumped the gun on HW a bit early, but I still think there's scum in one of the two.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 09:35:00 PM
You have four hours to hammer in, by the way. Do it faster so we can get quicker updates please. Meanwhile I'm going to go join the only guy with a right to bitch more then me after today in the graveyard.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 09:37:08 PM
again i'd like to just wait for bard and have him hammer when he's ready for the day to end
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
You have four hours to hammer in, by the way. Do it faster so we can get quicker updates please. Meanwhile I'm going to go join the only guy with a right to bitch more then me after today in the graveyard.
It's funny because after your performance today this could literally be referring to anyone.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: BT on July 07, 2012, 09:42:16 PM
Could be Pesco.
Mod isn't on, so no early update.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 09:46:37 PM
I'm referring to Omba, the guy we quicklynched without a claim. By the way.
I can't wait to hear about how this is my fault for being so scummy in the first place later.
\ The person who put on the horrible performance here is you. I put alot of effort into turning the read people had on me around, and you ruined it by starting the day off convincing people I was guilty. I can't force cases in response to stress though I did try more then once earlier. I am convinced there is nothing I could have said to change anyone's mind because of your reprogramming. Take some god damn responsibility for this trainwreck when I flip town. You gambitted and you failed hardcore.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Lexicat on July 07, 2012, 10:03:51 PM
I'm referring to Omba, the guy we quicklynched without a claim. By the way.\ The person who put on the horrible performance here is you. I put alot of effort into turning the read people had on me around, and you ruined it by starting the day off convincing people I was guilty. I can't force cases in response to stress though I did try more then once earlier. I am convinced there is nothing I could have said to change anyone's mind because of your reprogramming. Take some god damn responsibility for this trainwreck when I flip town. You gambitted and you failed hardcore.
"Reprogramming"?
Wow you're bad.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 10:09:35 PM
you literally outed yourself as cop in response to scum roleblocking you on n1
Yeah, and made the best use of me being roleblocked.
Because, if you seriously think I wouldn't be roleblocked again/killed, you're a silly silly player.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
disagree but i'll pursue this postgame i guess
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
Maybe they wouldn't have roleblocked you again
if you know
you hadn't outted yourself as the cop
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 10:36:55 PM
Back, catching up.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 10:45:10 PM
3 hours on the clock to read Shadoweh, although at this stage I'm not sure if my opinion will matter much since a (vocal) majority wants her dead and shit. In any case I will read her and produce results within the hour (hopefully but Shadi is :words:).
Quote
If you're going to twist it this way, every scum case ever made is invalid because the player could just be having an off day!
... Suppose you have me there.
Quote
And for Bard, the rest of your questions in that post you'll see I've already answered if you actually read any of my posts. Which you clearly haven't.
Are you seriously pulling this card on me after I just subbed in.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
Are you seriously pulling this card on me after I just subbed in.
You said you read over me before writing the posts where you said that.
Power is about to go out on my side due to storm. Might not be here for deadline.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 10:56:59 PM
Disagree vehemently with claiming fake roles. Townies should never lie unless you have a blatantly anti-Town role. Yes, I feel massively trolled to slot into a lying player's slot. I will have :words: for Rawr in the post-game given the QT contents. No, Rawr, claiming masons is not a lulz fun xD idea and I want to bash HW's head in for going along with it.
So. Shadi. I haven't read the case on her so I'm just doing an ISO from which I dilute what she's all said, and unless someone can sum up why she's scummy quickly I'm not sure I will have time to check all the information.
Note to self: - Response to LSD's gambit should be noted.
Cut by Conq. >: And yet I didn't find those answers I was looking for why else would I ask.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 11:00:03 PM
False alarm; tree fell over but missed the house and power seems fine now though it's flickering etc. :v
@Bard: -.- I'm pretty sure huhwhat asked me the same questions you did.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 11:07:28 PM
So. Shadi. I haven't read the case on her so I'm just doing an ISO from which I dilute what she's all said, and unless someone can sum up why she's scummy quickly I'm not sure I will have time to check all the information.
Here's Kilga's summary of her D1 scumminess. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852515.html#msg852515) It came before D2 got going much so it doesn't include that, though.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 11:16:09 PM
I'm wondering why -Conq- doesn't want to hammer seeing as he's quite convinced I'm a terrible scumbag. Throwing the onus on Bard is :/
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 11:17:23 PM
Bard: #439, #669
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 07, 2012, 11:17:42 PM
You have ~2.75 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120708T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:18:49 PM
Shadi stuff then:
Largely dislike the false dichotomy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851165.html#msg851165) pushed there where either Serela "has no opinions and is scum" or "finds everyone scummy and is Town"; Serela not having opinions is not exclusive to a Scum!Serela. Feel better about the accusation that Serela'd lie low as Scum but generally don't remember past games well enough to know if that accusation is backed by past evidence. Obviously not a lot of time to go read Serela past games for this. Still dislike the false dichotomy there, though.
The vote for BT here is untelegraphed and without case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851451.html#msg851451), and her whole day hasn't featured much of a push. While I hate Meta arguments I am used to Shadoweh having a somewhat more central presence so I'm ?_? at this, which means that it raises my hackles and rustles my jimmies. No, not that Jimmy.
The end of day shenanigans features Shadoweh jumping from wagon to wagon and then ultimately spurring on an Omba magic wagon... or something. The last few posts are a flurry of flailing of some flavour, although I don't get why Shadoweh would flail since normally she's pretty composed. I'm not so sure what to think of it but I can't compromise a Town!Shadoweh with a Clueless!Shadoweh. Better the idea that Scum!Shadoweh has no reads and thus flipflops around and votes untelegraphed.
Disagree with the reasoning that Shadoweh responded uncharacteristically in not calling LSD Scum, her thought process is pretty clear to me; She claimed Scum, makes no sense for Scum to claim Cop on a claimed Vanilla and go 1-for-1. Any arguments to the contrary need to be raised, I'm not seeing that. I do dislike how Shadoweh then proceeds to do nothing vaguely connected to Scum Hunting except from NK speculation (ymmv), but I am very pleased to see a gigantic spur of effort to get people to look in other directions and do stuff besides condemn Shadoweh.
Cut by cases on Shadoweh. Holy shit you're right. That's. Let me mull over for a bit. Getting this out there.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:19:03 PM
I'm wondering why -Conq- doesn't want to hammer seeing as he's quite convinced I'm a terrible scumbag. Throwing the onus on Bard is :/
Bard still has stuff to say. Cutting him off would be rude; we're not in a hurry here.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
Yeah, okay, what Kilga says rings true in my heart. I admit to constantly convincing myself she's Town since I tend to run to Shadoweh whenever I despair over anything and fuck I'm letting my personal feelings get in the way. (No, I'm not talking ♥, I'm talking more like ^_^)
Yeah. False dichotomy + lack of any cases D1 + flip-flopping + really, really non-Shadoweh behaviour in being nowhere near trying to control the Day and be Town's captain is enough for me. This is independent of the reaction to LSD's gambit which I disagree on as her having a totally un-Shadoweh reaction, the logic there seems pretty valid and true.
Ugh. Yeah. I'll back a Shadoweh lynch. Anyone else need anything to say or want to seize the hammer, because I am ready to hammer.
If we're magically swinging off Shadoweh I'd want to vote Conqueror but I admit to not being done reading everyone.
From what I read so far of D1 again I like Kilga; Vaguely dislike LSD for claiming Governor near End of Day 1 and then Cop at Start of Day 2 while being roleblocked and I hate lying Town, need a much closer read to decide if she's actually scummy (the behaviour seems pretty Town!LSD-like though); Don't like ActionDan for voting Affinity and promising content but then not delivering, twitterposts rub me wrong because they're more inquisition and less pronouncing; Getting This Out There Again.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:29:32 PM
EBWOP I like Kilga because the case on Shadoweh seems fair and the way he handled the LSD EarlyDay1 situation seems fair and reasonable. I admit Kilga's also one of those people I automagically dunk in my Town basket until options slim down.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 11:33:17 PM
Voicing fine-ness with Bard hammering
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 11:34:01 PM
Can I hammer instead? I've been waiting all day. :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
You can talk after the hammer, though it seems Dormio is here so you'd have to talk really fast. Unfortunately you can't steer the day when someone else steals the steering wheel. I don't have it in me to shake this much off. I am not a cat and don't have their magic. I still ^_^ you though.
So tempting to cut you both with a self-hammer.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 07, 2012, 11:37:46 PM
Weep woop out for dinnertime whoever wants to can go ahead
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 11:37:54 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:38:31 PM
Also, would still lynch HW over claiming Scum. I've been too considerate of PX claiming Scum (and actually being Scum) to really want to permit a refuge in audacity. Will re-read him once I've calmed down about that because right now I can only see Scum in everything he does, but that's confirmation bias speaking. Won't be sad to see a quicklynch on him though.
Cut by Conq.
Cut by Shadoweh. Don't self-hammer what are you a PX.
Cuts everywhere.
Cut by Huh Whatty. Fuck you even more.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 11:39:12 PM
rofl
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 07, 2012, 11:40:02 PM
What a lamer. ##Vote: Shadoweh Gotta make all the wagons as big as possible.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Shadoweh on July 07, 2012, 11:40:41 PM
Somehow I thought you were already voting me. >.> You've already got my last reads. Good luck townies. I feel a little better after these last few exchanges. Maybe town can pull it back together after all. Don't let the drugs get you down. ^_^/
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 11:41:32 PM
Also, would still lynch HW over claiming Scum. I've been too considerate of PX claiming Scum (and actually being Scum) to really want to permit a refuge in audacity.
bard do you think that your playerslot is scum because rawr self-voted during the rvs?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Serela on July 07, 2012, 11:43:26 PM
I like how all the lynches so far have had more votes then actually needed to lynch the person.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 07, 2012, 11:44:16 PM
##Unvote ##Vote Serela
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:45:28 PM
bard do you think that your playerslot is scum because rawr self-voted during the rvs?
I think Rawr is an idiot. :WORDS: are required in the post-game.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 07, 2012, 11:46:24 PM
##Vote: Shadoweh
Fuck yeah it's time
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:58:32 PM
##HUG: Shadoweh, ;_;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Bardiche on July 07, 2012, 11:58:53 PM
no that does nothing
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 08, 2012, 12:00:08 AM
If you hug her she'll only put a knife through your back. You know this to be true.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Night Two
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 08, 2012, 12:09:06 AM
Votecount
Conqueror (1): Bardiche huh what (0): Lady Lambdadelta (0): ActionDan (0): NekoNekoRex (1): Shadoweh Kilgamayan (0): Shadoweh (7): Lady Lambdadelta, Serela, Kilgamayan, BT, Affinity, Conqueror, NekoNekoRex L+1 Serela (1): huh what Affinity (1): ActionDan Bardiche (0): BT (0):
Not voting: Nobody
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
And so the Afterlife War Front cornered Shadoweh. "But I'm innocent! Just look at this cute face-nyan!" This only further annoyed the Afterlife War Front. With nowhere to run, Shadoweh simply sighed, picked up a guitar (we have yet to determine where she got this from), and started playing her song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBvp7AkTdo). She ended with a "thank you" and kicked her mic (we have yet to determine where she got this either) into the air. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LXhvQ6WQ_4M#t=114s) Shadoweh - Yui, GirlDeMo Vocalist(Vanilla Townie) was lynched D2. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Yui.jpg)
It is now Night 2, you have 26 hours to send in any night actions that you may or may not have.
You have ~26 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120709T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 09, 2012, 01:53:16 AM
The AWF retired once more, wondering if what they had done was truly right. Yet again, they had murdered one of their own, and they appeared to be no closer to solving this incident from when they had started. As they bickered during the night, several members began to question Lady Lambdadelta's actions during the previous day. After all, it was Lady Lambdadelta that had led them into lynching Shadoweh. As the AWF gathered the next morning to complain about LLD's behaviour, they found it impossible to do so when they entered her room. Lady Lambdadelta was dead. Lady Lambdadelta - Takeyama, Hacker Genius(Cop) died N2. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Takeyama.jpg)
In addition to this, they noticed that their numbers were smaller than they should have been. Kilgamayan - ?????, ?????(?????) disappeared N2.
You have ~72 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120712T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Night Two
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 09, 2012, 01:57:07 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 02:07:47 AM
Just noting to people since it's not in the actual night-post itself and therefore somewhat missable (I didn't notice until I went "Oh, but the numbers..."), it's Pseudo-LyLo.
Well. It's 10pm and I'm sleepy. Bard/Huhwhat are still probably town. I'll be rereading everyone tomorrow to make sure I don't want to go back on my town read of Neko or Conq. If I don't, then there's only three people left, all of which would probably have to be scum. Thatwaseasy.button
But yeah I'll hold back on anything more solid until -after- rereadpalooza. (And of course I'm going to reread the people I would be declaring as scum as well, if that was unclear from my wording. It'd be utterly ridiculous not to.)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 02:15:21 AM
In other news yay the principals I gave Shadoweh a sudden clear for were totally right :D And yay, LLD died so I didn't have to worry about possibility of ridiculous scum gambit!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 04:22:24 AM
I can't really tell which of you (if any) is gambiting, which of you isn't taking the game seriously, gambiting, or straight up lying.
All these "hilarious joke fakeclaims" are not amusing me in the slightest. It's like some of you are trying to test how far people will go before people call bullshit and lynch you (huhwhat, rawr, dan)
not that this actually means anything readwise, just putting it out there.
Also good to know all that theroymongering was pointless and Pesco was just shit-town. Good job.
Explain why you thought the cop claim was a gambit.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 04:40:15 AM
huhwhat, did rawr post anything useful in your QT?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 05:09:00 AM
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I can't really tell which of you (if any) is gambiting, which of you isn't taking the game seriously, gambiting, or straight up lying.
All these "hilarious joke fakeclaims" are not amusing me in the slightest. It's like some of you are trying to test how far people will go before people call bullshit and lynch you (huhwhat, rawr, dan)
You realize that Dan and Huhwhat also "claimed cop" after Taokaka. I took Lambadelta's claim seriously. I was getting annoyed with the other fakeclaims since they were just people goofing off.
Which is why I was also wondering who wasn't taking the game seriously and if anyone was gambiting. Tao's gambit surprised me just as much as anyone else. I'm actually pretty sorely pissed Shadoweh flipped town. Considering how terrible she was going with scumhunting she might as well have been scum.
Fuck if I don't want to just sit back on my Dan read, but now I have to read all of that D2 trainwreck all over again and find someone that looks bad (besides Shadoweh)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 05:15:30 AM
Hmm. But you didn't comment on the cop result on Shadoweh until afterwards.
Why are we shooting Shadoweh and not Dan again? Didn't LLD get a POSITIVE result on Shadoweh? Are we shooting him to prove LLD's sanity? Seems like an awful waste of a day. If you guys are that unsure of LLD's claim just lynch her instead of Shadoweh? Flipping him isn't actually going to put down an automatic scum result on LLD, she could be insane or lazy.
Why did you think LLD got a town result on Shadoweh?
Oh man, you should have seen how pissed off I was at first. Then I realized how horribly I treated her the entire day and I feel pretty terrible for it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 05:19:11 AM
Actually I still want to lynch Huhwhat quite a bit for his performance yesterday.
And that's... twice we've been assured a mason is going to get nightkilled? Looks like the scum really aren't as predictable as you all think they are after all :V
##Vote: Huhwhat
Huhwhat doesn't get off so easily for her defending of Shadoweh, either. The Shadoweh wagon was pretty much assured. If I were him I'd oppose it just for the resulting towncred when he flipped town.
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Why are we shooting Shadoweh and not Dan again? Didn't LLD get a POSITIVE result on Shadoweh? Are we shooting him to prove LLD's sanity? Seems like an awful waste of a day. If you guys are that unsure of LLD's claim just lynch her instead of Shadoweh? Flipping him isn't actually going to put down an automatic scum result on LLD, she could be insane or lazy.
Considering Taokaka didn't explicitly say that Shadoweh was actually scum it threw me off when I skimmed the first time. I post first, Edit By Way Of Post later. I like post trains. It's a pretty bad habit.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 05:22:50 AM
Considering Taokaka didn't explicitly say that Shadoweh was actually scum it threw me off when I skimmed the first time.
LLD says she investigated Shadoweh and votes her, and your impression is that LLD was claiming a town result on Shadoweh? -_____________________________________________- Would probably vote Neko right now if it weren't Psuedo-LYLO. Seriously wtf. Please to be explaining how you get to that conclusion as town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 05:29:05 AM
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I AM THE BEST TOWNIE EVER AND CLEARLY EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY THERE IS NO WAY SCUM COULD POSSIBLY BE THIS STUPID
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I AM SCUM AND CLEARLY EVERYONE SHOULD WAGON ME RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO WAY TOWN COULD POSSIBLY BE THIS STUPID
I cannot believe I am actually using quotes from my idiot-thoughts quicktopic to justify this. Why don't you explain how I could come to that conclusion as a scum who should clearly know better, considering I would know Tao would have been roleblocked beforehand.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 05:33:08 AM
While I could see the "Oh LLD investigated Shadoweh and knows she's town" reaction from scum not reading the post hard enough, it seems like the buddies would have commented in the QT about it too...
Although, it was only a few hours later that Neko posted I suppose. The buddies may have not shown up yet.
That'd make Neko/BT and maybe Affinity didn't really say much in the QT when he made that little comment (At least nothing specific enough) which wouldn't really be surprising to me.
...but this is silly speculation. Really silly. Oh, whatever, I'll see what I think of Neko after I reread tomorrow. (Or today, because oh god why did I stay up til 1:30am aaaaaaaa)
cut by >quotes from my idiot-thoughts quicktopic
rofl
okay I'd stick with my original read of neko imo
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 05:33:22 AM
Several possibilities: You were scum and thought LLD was gambiting because she had been blocked. You were scum and thought LLD circumvented her roleblock somehow to claim an innocent on a townie.
Eh, I guess it's not as clear-cut as I thought. Could you explain what you're quoting though; I don't understand. :v
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 05:34:26 AM
I guess I'll sleep on it; I'm beginning to hear weird voices.
This game this game this game this game this game this game this game this game this game this game this game this game
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 09, 2012, 05:35:52 AM
Realized that BT was riding on the Shadoweh lynch D2, including reasons why she's scum D1 here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853905.html#msg853905), when he had been reading her town for most of D1. Other than that, he doesn't do anything but agree with Dan's stuff on me and give one of two possible opinions on the mason revelation. Strikes me as scum coasting the most, and a worse Conq.
##Vote: BT
I don't know. Conq has been asking questions, but I don't see how he uses them for his scumreads. Having that outburst on questioning on huhwhat also strikes me as weird when he wasn't willing to put him in his scumteam speculations. Also irritated how he casually places me and Neko in his ideal scumteam in contrast, making me doubt his sincerity. Why is this so?
I'm also getting very very sad vibes from Bard.
I strongly hope and feel that NNR is town. Too bad his D3 case is WIFOM (huhwhat is not that sad). Given that Serela was one of the more interesting people on D2, I don't think today is much of an occasion to lynch him.
This game.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 05:38:36 AM
Also @Neko; imo huhwhat is townier than Bard; I can't remember rawr did and I need to revisit his stances around the Shadoweh wagon.
Affinity: I have no idea what you're talking about. What outburst of questioning on huhwhat? What "ideal scumteam in contrast?" Note that the "ideal scumteams" I posted yesterday all had Shadoweh in them, so uh yeah. Pretty much have to start from scratch now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 05:41:56 AM
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Could you explain what you're quoting though; I don't understand. :v
The point is that trying to argue me as scum for being a complete idiot is WIFOM and I could just as easily argue I'm town because scum would be more careful and/or have scumbuddies to back them up.
Scumbuddies who would more then likely announce their targets in-thread beforehand for their night powers.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 05:44:16 AM
Scumbuddies who would more then likely announce their targets in-thread beforehand for their night powers.
Well, stuff like this is the original reason I thought you were town, but it's not really a town-tell, more like something competent scum wouldn't do (if I'm reading this correctly). But yeah I'll reread tomorrow or something.
As an aside, I also don't think people should be voting this early...but w/e.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 05:44:53 AM
Half my logic in my previous post is broken because of lapses in common sense I've failed to see due to being half-asleep. I'm going to shut up now and get in bed.
Also yeah don't vote please. This is a lylo we're in.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 05:45:10 AM
I am so glad you [Shadoweh] are not town this game else I would probably consider taking a break. A long one.
This is great.
Affinity, I'm not he only one who was convinced Shadoweh was town due to her D1 during D1 and then changed their mind on D2. Overall feels like you decided "you're a worse Conq" via whatever definitions you saw fit, which is an easy free voteswitch. Would have been happy to see this opinion yesterday, too; you were very much avoiding the Shadoweh lynch until the final stretch.
Serela, it's MYLO, maybe.
@mod, is it MYLO and would you note it if it was?
Possibility of scumteam killing scum!Kilga but that would be very very stupid.
Let's see, scum!
Dan has been pretty much without a voice for the entire game, gets very little attention and he's happy with that. I don't like Affinity's vote. I want to believe NNR's :huh: moments are derptown but as time goes on that gets more and more hard to believe, so much that the jumps on the HW lynch seem opportunistic, among other things.
Want answers from mod before vote.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 09, 2012, 05:53:37 AM
Then again if NNR isn't scum then it's one of the masons. I'm starting to get that nagging feeling as well. @___@
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 05:55:36 AM
5-to-Lynch means I can have a safe vote down, and scum can't quickhammer off it, but I digress, I wanted to have a firm opinion down ASAP. Also I don't have a HW case just yet, I simply wanted to put out there I don't think his Shadoweh defense makes him town, considering he came back late in the day after people were already dead set on Shadoweh lynch.
I think Bard is town due to his replacement hijinks. Conversely, I think Rawr wasn't actually trying very hard/ was stupid, since that's how the whole "lolmasons" thing got rolling in the first place.
Conq's attempting to play "gotcha" with my dumb posts strikes me rather opportunistic, considering all the now-ironic D2 posts that make me look alot worse with the Shadoweh flip.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 05:58:48 AM
Actually I think I might want to get a little more serious on Conq now that he started this dangerous game. Hmmm, that will be priority #1 when I get on tomorrow to figure this mess out.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 06:06:08 AM
Current scumteam would probably be HW/Conq/one of BT or Dan
Actually starting to think Conq would be a better lynch the HW today after all.
Will ##Unvote for now and hope there's some nice posts to read tomorrow. I know you guys still have some of that 2-page-per-night left in you.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 09, 2012, 09:03:24 AM
@BT: Yeah, but Kilga and Serela have given reasons as to why they thought her town at end of D1. In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851500.html#msg851500) you only covered her up to early D1, followed by you asking what made Shadoweh scum late D1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851890.html#msg851890). You suddenly seeing things in a radically differently light D2 raises suspicions. There's also the thing where you don't really pursue anyone else on D2 other than me and Dan in one-sentence fashions, I guess.
@Conq: Eh, you questioned huhwhat herehere (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853743.html#msg853743) before the mason revelation came, without putting him in your scumteam (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853744.html#msg853744) thing here. It would seem strange (whom you didn't think was scum) to question huhwhat over the people you mentioned in the latter post... <_<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 09, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 09, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
Not really sure how Conq's advance on Rawr today makes a lick of sense. Lambda claimed Governor end of Day 1, then claimed Cop early Day 2 but never stated target; Considering who she is, possibility of gambit exists. Why exactly is this scummy of NekoNekoRex?
Note from yesterday: This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852567.html#msg852567) is the first time Dan mentions Shadoweh, not sure he actually does anything much before that except try to dispute the Cop claim. Further baffled by this:
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If LLD is not a cop, she's probably a scum traitor.
said here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852599.html#msg852599); Dan, the Scum Traitor is not a very common role in Mafia, why did you entertain the idea that she was?
Remember still that I fiercely dislike how Affinity came out of the debacle yesterday. First composed post after LSD's revelation is here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853279.html#msg853279), where entire business is detached from the claim except attributing Shadoweh with "anti-Town" play. Notable that Shadoweh is not called Scum. Further notable lack of mentioning LSD's gambit due to earlier not jumping on the Cop Claim immediately and pursuing other things.
Hold. Dial back. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852663.html#msg852663) considers the claim and mentions "if LSD is serious". Was there grounds to believe she wasn't? (implication: Are you Scum and did you know she was Roleblocked?)
Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853972.html#msg853972) vote is blatantly for Shadoweh being unhelpful instead of Scum. Not a scumtell but jarring nonetheless due to voting unhelpful instead of Scum.
More scummy is post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852663.html#msg852663) again, where vote lands on Conq. BT earlier called it votepark, I happen to agree. Voting Conq to see how he reads seems useless considering [insert playername] usually produces reads with or without votes. Votepark because accusation of one-track Scum hunting seems easily dismissed by targeting two. Moreover, seems more a playstyle argument than indication of scumminess. How is it scummy to focus on one target, or only have one Scum read?
##Vote: Affinity
Not concerned that a four-man scum team might quicklynch due to pseudo-LyLo. Pseudo meaning Night Actions dictate the results if we mislynch, as yet find panic mongering disconcerting. Scum team gambitting on night actions going right and quicklynching seems laughable.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 09, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
RE: Conq. Still not entirely happy with him. See a bunch of twitterposts from him and the crux of the Shadoweh push still seems to be the postulation that Shadoweh would be fierce. I can follow this postulation to a certain degree but reject it as being the end-all be-all of a case.
Reading back I am displeased Conq rejected answering questions re: who is scum and why vig Kilga. Maintain that his D1 does not contain much if anything of a case on Kilga at all, so the attack comes out of left field.
Repeating everything here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853948.html#msg853948) as I find it important to know your views on Huh What at the time I asked (though by now it is at this time), excepting the blurb on voting Shadoweh as that is sufficiently explained.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 09, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
Pretty much sums up a lot of things that were iffy yesterday. Generally reluctant to jump head-first into the major discussions, attempt at starting that "Serela is not Serela" wagon during D1 and later avoiding Shadoweh/HW wagons in favor of Omba. (and since he didn't show up for deadline he was expecting to end the day with that vote <_<)
Pretty certain of Dan/Neko scum now. May I direct your attention to the late-D1 interactions? Neko panics as if anticipating sure death but starts a case on Dan which he himself notes as useless at that point. Later Dan nitpicks on Neko instead of focusing on ~anything else around him~, at that point I thought it was scum vs town but now looks like distancing (along with Neko's case). Would vote Neko, would vote Dan but have nothing on him because as earlier stated he is simply not in the game (although that alone is reason for vote).
Think I'm gonna assume a Town!Kilga flip, possibly a PR but who knows. (therefore assuming 3 scum)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 01:14:15 PM
WOAH WOAH WOAH WHY TWO VOTES ON ONE PERSON GUYS
And for one thing, Bard, there does -not- need to be four scum for pseudo-lylo here.
8 people alive, three scum, a lynch and an NK, three townies three scum town loses.
Even while I may agree, I haven't even done my rereads yet, so even I don't want a sudden lynch here >.>; I'm still eating breakfast, and then I'm probably going to go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
Oh BT and Bard are voting different people right nevermind
still unvote because three man scumteam could quicklynch if you're both town
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
In fact if there was 4 scum, first of all wtf, second of all we'd already have lost right now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
Oh wait five votes to lynch oooooooooooooh yeaaaaaaaaaaah
I'm not so good at the thinkings right now I'll just go back to my cereal and then sleep
why did I even comment on 4person scumteam
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 09, 2012, 01:20:24 PM
If LLD's claim was legit, people should carry on the day normally, voting who they think is scum other than Shadoweh, before lynching her afterwards. After her gambit was exposed, then all that is left is to consider Shadoweh's actions, which were non-existent D2. Her votes were ineffectual, her AtE unbearable, her intentions obsfucated. Nothing would be gained if my voice was added to that of many; this is the reason why D2 was rendered completely useless to most.
And Conq suddenly showed agreement for Omba's wagon when he was L-2 on D1, wasn't he, when he suddenly terminated his vote for BT. Don't see how Conq 'going after two targets on D2' would change any of the history I am using; my case was pretty legit and not based on 'playstyle'.
Also I overslept on D1, yeah. Remember saying that Shadoweh was town, but BT requiring someone to make a vote for him is rather huh.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
Conq's attempting to play "gotcha" with my dumb posts strikes me rather opportunistic, considering all the now-ironic D2 posts that make me look alot worse with the Shadoweh flip.
How am I trying to play "gotcha" with your "dumb posts"? It's more likely than your "dumb posts" came from scum than town. Also, lol at me/HW team.
@Conq: Eh, you questioned huhwhat herehere (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853743.html#msg853743) before the mason revelation came, without putting him in your scumteam (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853744.html#msg853744) thing here. It would seem strange (whom you didn't think was scum) to question huhwhat over the people you mentioned in the latter post... <_<
>Implying I only question my scumreads. In any case I was trying to correct the bullshit huhwhat was spewing. Although it turned out to be partially(?) correct in the end.
Not really sure how Conq's advance on Rawr today makes a lick of sense. Lambda claimed Governor end of Day 1, then claimed Cop early Day 2 but never stated target; Considering who she is, possibility of gambit exists. Why exactly is this scummy of NekoNekoRex?
Hold. Dial back. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852663.html#msg852663) considers the claim and mentions "if LSD is serious". Was there grounds to believe she wasn't? (implication: Are you Scum and did you know she was Roleblocked?)
Assuming you mean Neko there instead of rawr, your argument for Affinity scum is pretty much what I'm saying about Neko, So why are you dismissing it for the former instead of the latter when I expect Affinity would be more likely to see through a "gambit" given player experience?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 01:35:26 PM
Reading back I am displeased Conq rejected answering questions re: who is scum and why vig Kilga. Maintain that his D1 does not contain much if anything of a case on Kilga at all, so the attack comes out of left field.
This happens to be the quote you're talking about.
I was partially pushing against an LLD vig since certain people seemed to be angling for LLD!scum. I also didn't like the way Kilga looked like he was piggybacking on LLD's dislike for me for really stretchy reasons (really, asking questions as a timewaster)?
Repeating everything here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853948.html#msg853948) as I find it important to know your views on Huh What at the time I asked (though by now it is at this time), excepting the blurb on voting Shadoweh as that is sufficiently explained.
Theory: Pesco is actually the cop who is acting as horribly as possible so that neither town nor scum would be willing to get rid of her, thus guaranteeing at least one cop result
Pesco - TK, Rapper(Vanilla Townie) was found dead N1.
yeah Neko is still town :I
This is like a PoE miracle. Four people (Dan, BT, Affinity, Conq) and three are most likely scum. After I wake up from my post-morning-wake nap I'll reread Conq to see about my town read on him.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 01:47:43 PM
Serela: That statement doesn't actually make Neko town though. It just makes him a derp.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 01:59:47 PM
Well since Dormio hasn't gotten back yet and Neko seemed to do it fine I guess I'll post something from my own personal thoughts QT.
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Actually, it dawned on me that I'm probably clearing rawr/Bard too easily. The fake mason claim is easy to pull off as scum, and he'd get town cred for it at little to no risk. The way Bard has formulated his cases this game has also been to throw everything and the kitchen sink to see what sticks (sorta like what Kilga did with Shadoweh). Also, Bard getting hung up over huhwhat claiming scum seems like a possible ploy.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
Not concerned that a four-man scum team might quicklynch due to pseudo-LyLo. Pseudo meaning Night Actions dictate the results if we mislynch, as yet find panic mongering disconcerting. Scum team gambitting on night actions going right and quicklynching seems laughable.
Humour me for a second here. You think there are 3 scum left, yes? Mislynch today, down to 7. Then it's down to night actions to prevent the scum endgaming at 3-3. It's more like town has to gambit on night actions to go right if we mislynch, which is pretty terrible.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
Well yeah there's other reasons.
It's just a slightly more amusing highlight.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 02:41:17 PM
Not concerned that a four-man scum team might quicklynch due to pseudo-LyLo. Pseudo meaning Night Actions dictate the results if we mislynch, as yet find panic mongering disconcerting. Scum team gambitting on night actions going right and quicklynching seems laughable.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7063.msg444164.html#msg444164 Oh man look at this Psuedo-LYLO And tons of other possibilities Oh, what's this?
Quote from: Bardiche
Welp. I guess this means we'd best not vote until we're sure, because if there's two scum it means they can quicklynch if we select a wrong target, and I'd rather not lose the day to the night shenanigans for luck!
::)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 09, 2012, 02:43:28 PM
tl;dr if you're town pls unvote. Gone until tonight.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 02:51:18 PM
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Actually, it dawned on me that I'm probably clearing rawr/Bard too easily. The fake mason claim is easy to pull off as scum, and he'd get town cred for it at little to no risk. The way Bard has formulated his cases this game has also been to throw everything and the kitchen sink to see what sticks (sorta like what Kilga did with Shadoweh). Also, Bard getting hung up over huhwhat claiming scum seems like a possible ploy.
I assume this is why LLD told Bard he would have to die too in a scum neighbor situation
Although his first post is still pretty hard to believe it came from a connivining scum and not a surprised sub-in townie
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 03:33:43 PM
Although his first post is still pretty hard to believe it came from a connivining scum and not a surprised sub-in townie
Yes, because Bard is town
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 09, 2012, 04:35:56 PM
I'll be free tonight, but before that, I'm curious.
WHY IS NO ONE THINKING.
holy shit. #1. it's pseudo-lylo with 8(!) people. There are obviously 3 scum. However, pseudo-lylo implies that town can lose even by no lynching which means there is the potential for 2 kills tonight. along with the 2nd janitored kill last night it's pretty obvious we have a multi-shot SK/vig that WE CANNOT LYNCH TODAY.
#2. Known power: cop/doc. Claimed power: 2 neighbors. Known scum power: roleblocker (janitor?). we pretty much know that the vig/SK wasn't roleblocked N1 so I'm going to assume that they took a shot. I highly doubt that Pesco was the shot for both scum SK/vig based on Odds. (gonna say now that I think out of vig/SK it's an SK because why didn't they shoot Shadoweh etc.) based on this I feel one of Scum/SK shot the other faction who was BP (other theory is that scum shot a scum traitor that got recruited [side note: Bard, Scum traitor is common and optimal play is for a scum traitor claim cop and fake a cop result on an innocent]) . I think roleblocker janitor BP scum team is a tad powerful so I'm guessing scum team is either goon janitor roleblocker [omg Dormio is Schezo] or else goon roleblocker BP. in one case SK is BP, in the other SK is equipped with janitor shot (also maybe BP).
Personally, I think scum is goon roleblocker janitor and shot the BP SK and SK shot Pesco, and last night scum janitored Kilga + roleblocked LLD, although I'm not sure if SK would kill LLD. Irregardless of w/e spec, I get the feeling one of Neko/Conq/Serela is SK while Affinity is scum + 2 others... who I can't really think of but would be within Conq/Neko and I can't come up with more. I believe Neighbors + Serela not to be scum. I think BT is town. I'll do more reading tonight.
#3 As it stands from #1 and #2, I would like a Massclaim today. It does two things: Determines vig/SK. Gets their N1 action. secondly, any other power would make me reconsider whether the neighbors have a chance of being scum. As for who starts the Massclaim, I can go first, or we could go with popular opinion. I would like Affinity to go first. If any townie is a one-shot BP, or even just BP, Claim that you are 1-shot BP. Actually in the first run, I'd prefer that the SK/vig does NOT claim until Massclaim is over. Claim Vanilla town instead
Also if Affinity is town (or at least not-scum) and assuming neither of BT/Bard were not scum themselves then it would have been game over. i.e, it is guaranteed there is at least one scum (defined as mafia here, not SK) among Affinity/BT/Bard
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 04:46:38 PM
BP shouldn't claim unless it's only one-shot and that one-shot knowingly got used up N1, otherwise that's a horrible idea, Dan. >:C
Since there is a scum roleblocker, SK/Vig should NOT trueclaim, since if we mislynch we need their NK. So, also a horrible idea.
And lookie here, the two power roles that might be around shouldn't claim. Great. Massclaim is now pointless, unless there's a one-shot BP that knows they lost their thing n1, or some town powerrole not listed here. Not much of a point to massclaim (Although if one-shot bp etc then that person should go ahead, or if there's someone with some role that hasn't been mentioned that thinks they should claim, etc)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
editpost: one-shot vig could also claim
but a BP/Vig that still has their power needs to go unknown and keep their trap shut
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
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Also if Affinity is town (or at least not-scum) and assuming neither of BT/Bard were not scum themselves then it would have been game over. i.e, it is guaranteed there is at least one scum (defined as mafia here, not SK) among Affinity/BT/Bard
what are you talking about. :I
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 04:51:42 PM
You know, for all we know scum might not have been able to get all of themselves together yet for a quicklynch
We seriously need unvotes for the two townies on BT
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 04:52:43 PM
*two townies on Affinity
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 04:53:17 PM
There is not two votes on anyway. No one is or has been in danger of being quicklynched.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
anyone*
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
OH NEVERMIND THERE IS I'M BLIND.
Suddenly Dan makes more sense. Neko's point of scumteam not being organized still stands though. They may also be opting to not quicklynch due to only being in pseudo-lylo; quicklynch would make them obvious, and if there's an SK/multi-vig (possible explanation of pseudo-lylo) they'd be fucked.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 04:55:53 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 05:00:16 PM
Yeah sorry you're right.
The most amazingly retarded part is I saw that earlier, forgot it by the time I finished my post, AND THEN REREAD AND MISSED IT, and when "Oh hurr nevermind there isn't two votes on anyone I'm crazy", in that 4~5 post chain I made way up higher on this page.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 05:01:05 PM
I am so messed up right now. This is wayyyy beyond standard levels of Sereladerp >.>;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 09, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
Quick note, haven't time to respond to everything: Is everyone assuming Kilga died even if he didn't flip? I'm thinking he'll come back hence why I proposed a four-man scum team to require INSTANT WIN if someone voted. As is scum quicklynching to win seems like a horrible idea given Pseudo-LYLO(questionmark) and people entertaining this idea are panicky paranoid. If people think Kilga was killed, why would there be an SK/Vig given N1 had no two kills?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 07:22:40 PM
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why would there be an SK/Vig given N1 had no two kills?
Because we're in Pseudo-LyLo(?). The ? is probably because Kilga didn't flip so the mod is keeping it unclear, which leaves the Pseudo part. The means there has to be some way either a townie wouldn't die, or scum would die overnight. (There are other possibilities, but they're highly unlikely IMO) Given the doctor is flipped and dead, a bulletproof non-mafia and/or someone with a kill power are the most likely possibilities.
One of the mafia being a bulletproof or godfather wouldn't be surprising in the case of an SK.
And... the suggestion of Kilga not being dead right now doesn't really make any sense to me at all. Kills that don't flip the target's alignment aren't anything strange, and there's no good reason to believe something really weird like him disappearing for a day is going on instead, especially considering he flipped, even if he flipped as ??????????.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 09, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
Oh, idea.
Flavor regarding Kilga's absence was nonexistent aside from the fact that he is absent. Could be self-induced.
I said I would be busy, I am busy. Will have time to read everything tomorrow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
I question Kilga's absence being self-induced given that he made a bah post.
prod dodge, will write real post eventually
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
Don't like Rex having little-to-no content D2 aside from cheerleading Shadoweh / Dan votes without taking action himself. His reaction to the neighbor claim looked like he wanted to line up a lynch on one of Bard and I, one of the neighbors having to be scum is a totally arbitrary belief.
Strongly question Affinity's late-D1 vote switch to Shadoweh with seemingly forced justification for giving Conq a pass; it seemed like an attempt to secure a mislynch and his reason for lynching her borders on policy lynch.
Regarding Conq, not really sold on his responses from yesterday, but think Rex was more likely to be riding out the Shadoweh wagon with scummy intent than he was. It should make more sense why I hated the "cop doc masons" posts now that the gambit has been exposed - when Shadoweh/ICE fakeclaimed masons as neighbors scum mostly took them for granted.
I think it's "pseudo LYLO" because we have 3 scum + SK. Would presume they got shot under bulletproof while shooting Pesco N1. It's Pseudo-LYLO and not MYLO because two town shots following a No Lynch would end the game.
Priorities Rex > Affinity > Conq following Shadoweh flip. Think Rex looks like derpscum. Weird reaction to LLD's claim doesn't look like a townslip to me like people said, he has a history of not reading.
huhwhat, did rawr post anything useful in your QT?
What do you mean by "useful"?
We talked a lot but aside from one liners most of his early thoughts were joking around and/or fluff. Read him as town because he was doing shit to draw attention both in-thread and in-QT, QT interactions sounded like he was being casual because he had nothing to prove. Think Shadoweh's game, basically.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 09:00:31 PM
i support massclaim btw but don't have anything to claim myself
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
IDK, SK/Vig/BP would be the only things I would realistically expect to still be in the game, and unless they're one shot that already lost their power, I wouldn't want -any- of them to be claiming, since there is a scum roleblocker.
And there's not much of a point to mass claiming if everyone is going to lie (or trueclaim) that they're vanilla town.
Or do you think that it'd be beneficial for an SK/vig/whatever to claim, HW? (It'd mean the scum can roleblock them easily, so we lose our last chance if we mislynch.)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 09:07:14 PM
...of course, if we were about to lynch them, then they should claim, but.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
are you a serial killer serela?
if so you should out immediately
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 09:43:47 PM
I dunno I did really enjoy that bowl of Special K w/strawberries this morning
...oh wait
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 10:00:09 PM
yeah ok
i didn't really think so, you just seemed like the only person who would consider outing as SK at this point
i am curious how it took you like forty minutes to respond to that though but i wasn't paying attention to your online status soooo
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 10:07:51 PM
I DO have things I do other then play mafia D:
Otherwise I probably would have done all those rereads by now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
Conq seems pretty obviously scum based on how he treated the Shadoweh wagon yesterday. It was pretty clear from his posts he was content to sit there and mock Shadoweh all of D2.
Huh What is also pretty obviously scum considering he doesn't actually scumhunt.
Any questions?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 10:41:20 PM
It doesn't appear there's a vote on Conq yet. That's who I think needs to be lynched today.
##Vote: Conq
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 10:44:36 PM
Not voting: Conqueror, huh what, ActionDan, Serela
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
You have ~51.25 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120712T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
##Vote: NekoNekoRex (L-4) You were setting up a vote on me today only to pussy out and vote Conq when there was no support to lynch either of the neighbors.
Rest of your D2 content is nonexistant-scummy-bad and I shouldn't need to write :words: explaining this to be "scumhunting". Your sidelining on the Shadoweh wagon was similar to Conq's approach, only he actually bothered to push for her lynch and took responsibility. Attacking him for something he did better than you is a weird double standard.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
You get on y back for "riding the Shadoweh wagon" but you did basically nothing D2 except defend yourself and bitch about the Shadoweh wagon.
The fact you played along with that Mason claim up until the Bard switch really says alot about you too. You say you "could have broken off that claim at any time" but you decide to sit on your lie until it bites you in the back. If you were a townie you would have called rawr out on that Mason claim the moment he said it. If one of you had actually been shot in this game and had been outed as a Neighbor the other player would have gotten an incredible quicklynch due to Lynch All Liars. A real townie would have stopped that shit before it even got started.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 10:51:38 PM
You get on y back for "riding the Shadoweh wagon" but you did basically nothing D2 except defend yourself and bitch about the Shadoweh wagon.
Read the damn thread.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 09, 2012, 10:52:47 PM
Neko, sorry, but your entire paragraph about thinking HW is scummy for the mason claim thing is dumb. And also refuted pretty well by part of the previous explanations for why they did it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 09, 2012, 10:53:58 PM
To elaborate, I offered the Conq lynch as an alternative instead of just "bitching about the Shadoweh wagon". Nobody wanted to join me on it.
It's still scummy that you won't put your money where your mouth is because you know nobody will help you mislynch me.
The very basic idea behind the mason fakeclaim was that scum would break it by shooting me. Tell me, what would the point of randomly breaking it in the middle of Day 2 have been if I didn't think rawr was scum?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 10:55:43 PM
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The very basic idea behind the mason fakeclaim was that scum would break it by shooting me. Tell me, what would the point of randomly breaking it in the middle of Day 2 have been if I didn't think rawr was scum?
You don't break it on D2, you break it on goddamn Day 1 when Rawr makes the claim in the first place.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 10:59:17 PM
Also why should I satisfy your need for a vote on yourself just because I happen to be sparring with you right now? I already batted with him earlier today, which is the main reason I switched onto him. Conq's gotcha games he tried to play today make me more confident he's scum then you are, if only by a miniscule amount.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 09, 2012, 11:03:32 PM
Also I was on the Shadoweh wagon because he was pretty obviously fucking scum at the time. Shadoweh is honorary scum of this game. For a townie he made basically no effort to get the wagon off of him, and committed himself to whining that he was doomed. In fact, he might as well have been doomed from the start based on how he reacted to LLD's cop result. Not taking things seriously was his ultimate downfall and he completely deserved that lynch.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 10, 2012, 12:13:21 AM
Actually, I forgot what NNR did D2.
Does everyone agree on a massclaim? I claim Yuzuru Otonashi, Vanilla Town. Would like BT to go next.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 03:32:38 AM
This is pitiful, it's been three hours since I last posted, at the time of night I would most people to be on.
Pitiful. Are even the scum too afraid to post? There isn't time to be goofing around, the end of the day approaches.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 04:41:20 AM
Atm I'm cross-referencing Affinity's iso with the main thread, but spooky thoughts:
in the absence of additional town power, in which case I'd believe that cop + doc + town neighbors are necessary to combat scum power, that leaves 5 suspects 3 of which are mafia and one of which is (probably) SK. .... Which means only one of which is town. Conq/BT/Affinity/Serela/Neko. I still get the feeling one of Conq/Serela/Neko is the SK, but I only feel Affinity as scum atm. Everybody should be thinking like this btw.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 04:47:47 AM
Conq seems pretty obviously scum based on how he treated the Shadoweh wagon yesterday. It was pretty clear from his posts he was content to sit there and mock Shadoweh all of D2.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) The fact that you can make this statement and juxtapost it unironically with a statement about how Shadoweh was "obviously fucking scum" on D2 is pretty tech.
Conq's gotcha games he tried to play today make me more confident he's scum then you are, if only by a miniscule amount.
Gotcha games? My impression is that you've been caught and you're squirming like a little rat.
Dan, several things wrong with your PoE (and Serela's). One, we don't have all claims on the table, so we don't know what power town may or may not have. Going from that to --> neighbors are town --> is a logical fallacy, especially since I'm actually looking at the Bard slot as one of my picks for scum (first would be NNR by far though; have you read what he's spewing today).
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 05:21:34 AM
We talked a lot but aside from one liners most of his early thoughts were joking around and/or fluff. Read him as town because he was doing shit to draw attention both in-thread and in-QT, QT interactions sounded like he was being casual because he had nothing to prove. Think Shadoweh's game, basically.
I'm looking for his reactions to the beginning of D2. There's little to no mention of the Shadoweh incident in the thread so I was wondering if he wrote about it in the QT instead.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 05:30:12 AM
zzz ##Vote: Neko The Affinity wagon looks like a distraction. BT, why vote Affinity if you're pretty certain of Neko/Dan scum? Bard's cookie cutter case-making makes it look like he could whip out a scum-case on anyone at demand; made easier by the fact that he doesn't mention certain players until he brings up a case on them. Bard, what happened to your feelings about huhwhat from yesterday?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 05:31:40 AM
EBWOP: BT, why sheep Bard on an Affinity vote when you seem more certain of Neko/Dan scum?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 05:31:54 AM
Dan, several things wrong with your PoE (and Serela's). One, we don't have all claims on the table, so we don't know what power town may or may not have. Going from that to --> neighbors are town --> is a logical fallacy, especially since I'm actually looking at the Bard slot as one of my picks for scum (first would be NNR by far though; have you read what he's spewing today).
Well certainly, it's speculation. And I'll look at the neighbors again after all claims are laid bare, but I find it more likely that town vs SK + 3 scum => neighbors are town with doc + cop assuming the rest of us claim VT. As for NNR, yes I've read it and his pushes D2 + now feel arbitrary, but he's one of those people I could see doing this 'too scummy to be scum' stuff as town. Plus I'll need to reexamine his townslip earlier. He's more or less 2nd priority after Affinity.
Also Conq, I don't really think Bard's slot is scum regardless, if any of the neighbors were scum I'd pick HW.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 05:33:37 AM
EBWOP: re: Neko, in case it wasn't clear, he's someone who I'd vote after affinity atm. I'm in the middle of making a judgement on Affinity.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 05:35:20 AM
Why is Bard scum over huhwhat? rawr was unmemorable. Bard attacked me with (bad) regurgitated logic that I had already responded to while walling back and forth with huhwhat. Additionally, huhwhat's anger at the Shadoweh wagon on D2 looks pretty genuine imo.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 05:36:06 AM
Also, re: neko being too scummy to be scum, recall the previous games he's played as town here. He's not a derpy player. I don't know why people got the idea what he would suddenly turn into a derp for this game.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 05:38:53 AM
Btw, this is approximately where I am with reads atm Town: huhwhat --> Serela --> Dan/BT/Affinity --> Bard --> Neko :Scum I don't even know why I think Serela is town. I just have a feeling I guess.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 05:52:09 AM
Also, re: neko being too scummy to be scum, recall the previous games he's played as town here. He's not a derpy player. I don't know why people got the idea what he would suddenly turn into a derp for this game.
I know it well. He did try to fake-claim miller (+ dash of death miller) as scum. It's just the sheer amount of naivety he possesses (as traitor scum he made a case on me solely due to my competing miller claim, as town in popcorn mafia, his cases seemed overly subjective e.g, 'find the manipulative ones' etc.) that throws me off. I think that since his case making sucks in this game it's much more indicative of scum, but his outbursts seem genuine but I don't know if he's capable of faking them.
As for Bard/HW, frankly Rawr seemed town to me :gut: also trolling powerful god-like physic HW in a private QT sounds sooooo anti-survivalist. Bard's contribution was buying into the Shadoweh case end of D2 which to me is null as it was not unreasonable. Also in case you're wondering, I think HW sounds townie independently of neighbor status anyway. It could be my perception, but my only qualm was that he didn't seem pushy about his scum reads.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 06:00:50 AM
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Gotcha games? My impression is that you've been caught and you're squirming like a little rat.
Great case you got there. Is that supposed to go with the idiot posts you questioned me on earlier today?
I'll say it again. Idiotic slip posts aren't any more scummy then RVS jokeposts. It could be just as easily argued that a scum player would be more careful and wouldn't make dumb posts then the opposite.
The scum is right in front of you, guys. Conq is putting a second vote down on me for complete bullshit. You'd have to be scum or idiotically overconfident to break a basic LYLO rule, and he doesn't even have a reason for the vote.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 06:02:29 AM
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his cases seemed overly subjective e.g, 'find the manipulative ones' etc.
And yet I gutted 2 out of 3 of the scum :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 06:08:16 AM
@Dan: ah okay, that makes more sense.
@Neko: First off, there's already a two person wagon on Affinity, and you didn't call BT "scum or idiotically overconfident." Psych. "Idiotic slip posts aren't any more scummy then RVS jokeposts. It could be just as easily argued that a scum player would be more careful and wouldn't make dumb posts then the opposite." You can argue anything you want in mafia, but frankly I have no reason to believe your posts right now are town motivated. If you want I can put together an extensive case re: all your D1 and D2 posts but it would have to wait as it's late right now.
Personally I don't care if you see me as scum as I could see that coming from a townie. But thinking me and huhwhat are scum together after D2? :psyduck:
But here. Explain how I was playing "gotcha games" by asking you how what you said could possibly come from a town mindset. Your response was WELL ANYTHING COULD COME FROM TOWN OR SCUM.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 06:24:11 AM
Quick note, haven't time to respond to everything: Is everyone assuming Kilga died even if he didn't flip? I'm thinking he'll come back hence why I proposed a four-man scum team to require INSTANT WIN if someone voted. As is scum quicklynching to win seems like a horrible idea given Pseudo-LYLO(questionmark) and people entertaining this idea are panicky paranoid. If people think Kilga was killed, why would there be an SK/Vig given N1 had no two kills?
I'm wondering how you think a sort of jesus role is more likely than a SK/Vig/Scum jan kill. Your comment feels like it comes from either an informed perspective or a trying to confuse people one.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 06:29:21 AM
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@Neko: First off, there's already a two person wagon on Affinity, and you didn't call BT "scum or idiotically overconfident." Psych.
BT put up a valid reason for voting Affinity. Also I've been posting that there needs to be unvotes because of this.
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But thinking me and huhwhat are scum together after D2? :psyduck:
It's hard to think you could be scumbuddies, so I suppose you have a point, but you also both seem ridiculously scummy to me irregardless.
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But here. Explain how I was playing "gotcha games" by asking you how what you said could possibly come from a town mindset.WELL ANYTHING COULD COME FROM TOWN OR SCUM.
Anyone can make a stupid post. I have a whole quicktopic full of them.
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LLD is a scum rolethief and took Pesco's cop powers when they shot her IM GENIUS
I ALMOST considered posting that but dismissed it as stupid. Hence in the topic it went. I decided it would be a better idea starting D2 after my comment that Pesco could be a cop got her shot.
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mfw I made a crazy theory about Pesco being the cop mfw scum take the bait and shoot Pesco mfw Pesco is vanilla townie mfw no face
whoops.
The point is idiot posts are null at best and you're trying to use them as evidence against me.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 06:36:42 AM
No wait, BT is sheeping, that's not a valid reason. Fuck you BT. Why is this game so godawful terrible?
Fuck I really don't read these games closely enough. Lynch me now
(I can continue making these stupid posts as long as I'm coherent too!)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 10, 2012, 06:40:06 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 06:40:34 AM
Anyways Dan already brought up the point of one of Bard/BT/Affinity being scum, and you may notice I had BT or Dan on my scumteam call, so your point is a null one.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 10, 2012, 06:43:44 AM
also i'm frustrated that dormio will let somebody copypaste quotes from an apparently-existant "stupid thoughts" quicktopic but i have to paraphrase stuff from the neighbor qt
neko it's pretty inconsistent that you kept throwing out occasional "lynch dan"s yesterday to look like you were doing something but then seemingly stopped pushing for him today, explain?
conq, rawr didn't like shadoweh's d1 and was content to sheep lld when the gambit happened. then eventually he ended up sheeping me on shadoweh instead after i posted a lot of "ugh i don't feel good about this lynch" i guess? i dunno, his change in opinion was around the time he started to go inactive so i only really have inside info on his thoughts the first half of d2
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day One
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 06:46:29 AM
you silly. reminds me of DORMIO THE DAYVIG THAT SHOT ME IN THE FACE (the bastard) when he fake-joke-claimed vig by bolding a fake "vig" command. Really I think Conq's play while pushy, retains the possibility of him being an SK.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 06:50:14 AM
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neko it's pretty inconsistent that you kept throwing out occasional "lynch dan"s yesterday to look like you were doing something but then seemingly stopped pushing for him today, explain?
It was a joke? Most of my suspicion on him was from D1 and I haven't actually taken my push for a Dan lynch seriously since midway through D2. At this point I still suspect him because it's been arbitrary. His D3 content so far is actually fairly town-looking, actually.
Kilga hasn't bothered me on my QT quotes, maybe because they're my own words and it's a quicktopic only I can see?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 06:53:59 AM
*Dormio hasn't bothered me
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 07:17:50 AM
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also i'm frustrated that dormio will let somebody copypaste quotes from an apparently-existant "stupid thoughts" quicktopic but i have to paraphrase stuff from the neighbor qt
While I can understand your woes, it's also understandably a bit different when it's a QT that no one else can see anyway
but anyway
At the moment my favored lynch would probably be BT. Next up is Affinity. After that... I'd have to reread more. Skimming at 3am in the morning isn't a good time because I'm no coherent enough to actually process/remember anything I'm doing very well >.> WHY AM I EVEN AWAKE. Hopefully tomorrow I won't procrastinate on it so long so that I can actually make kool scumhunting posts.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 07:18:38 AM
For the people going "MAN NEKO SURE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE USUALLY DOES", the same goes for BT, btw
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 07:19:05 AM
tomorrow I'll probably make an ~*~Actual case~*~ on him
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 07:32:13 AM
I still see this vote, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850751.html#msg850751) Affinity's first serious vote, as a vote to integrate into the flow of the game.
Ugly (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851025.html#msg851025). Misrepping Conq + Omba's questioning of BT. The point was that he went after me over LLD despite calling LLD either anti-town or scummy. Similarly, discussion was revolving around BT's available options during the time of his vote on me, so it's out of context stating that Omba's criticism of BT could be applied to that of Serela/Shadoweh (who really didn't have the opinion as BT anyway)
#180 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg851371.html#msg851371). I don't mind this post besides the explanation for targeting HW in the first place, as it's inconsistent.
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Asking X what he thinks of Y when Y hadn't done much is the easiest way to look proactive, and it was worth questioning huhwhat for.
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I'm more concerned with huhwhat specially asking Neko as to what he thinks about other people despite others not doing the same? That's a rather huh attempt to seem pro-town.
These are two different reasons to suspect HW for asking Neko ("X") for opinons about Omba and BT ("Y"). The first quote questions the merits of the question because the possible answers would be sure to be limited while the second legitimizes the question but puts emphasis on the importance of the person asked.
waffle (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852523.html#msg852523) on Serela more or less. this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852663.html#msg852663) contains an inconsistency with the BT read as I've noted earlier. Otherwise it's w/e null. this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853279.html#msg853279) is not too bad. This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853750.html#msg853750)is eh.
The shadoweh vote post feels like giving in to the sweet mislynch finally.
no time to go over Affinity's D3 play atm. but I know it involves going after BT. I dunno, he's not reading as scummy as I thought he would but I feel he's disconnected and that his votes are pretty fluid and there doesn't seem to be much resistance from vote-changing for him. I'm sure at least 1/2 of it is Affinity being Affinity but overall I lean scum on him.
If I had to choose between Affinity and BT I'd still pick Affinity for scum. I'll reread BT again I guess tomorrow.
Also I believe we *should* lynch between BT Affinity. Ofc maybe Conq will dazzle the crowds with some Bard case. Also massclaim. kthx
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 10, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
You have ~37.3 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120712T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 10, 2012, 12:48:57 PM
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Bard attacked me with (bad) regurgitated logic that I had already responded to
Is it really that hard to understand I wanted the answers plainly and openly if I really felt satisfied with past instances? Let me show you why I wanted your answers up front instead of "link through it":
Btw, this is approximately where I am with reads atm Town: huhwhat --> Serela --> Dan/BT/Affinity --> Bard --> Neko :Scum I don't even know why I think Serela is town. I just have a feeling I guess.
When earlier you quoted this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853738.html#msg853738) as a response to "What do you think of Huh What?" Unless I'm retarded (and I do allow that it may be the case), the linked post talks about how logically they are Town and on a personal level you want Huh What dead. Which one is it? It doesn't clearly state whether you think Huh What is Town or Scum, instead you set up a waffle where you can swing either way because logic demands Huh What is Town and personal demands Huh What's lynch.
If I ask you what your thoughts are on Huh What, it is because your past answers are unclear and do not satisfactorily answer the goddamn question.
I'm wondering how you think a sort of jesus role is more likely than a SK/Vig/Scum jan kill. Your comment feels like it comes from either an informed perspective or a trying to confuse people one.
Because Kilga is Jesus clearly. I think a sort of Jesus role is more likely given N1 had no double kills, the Pseudo-Lylo has a question mark attached to it, and LSD doesn't make sense as a target for a Town!aligned entity. Because assuming third parties when there's no reason as yet to do so is something I find retarded, I can only assume Scum killed LSD.
If so, that means Kilga was killed by a Townie who doesn't get flips (I am unsure if a Townie should ever employ such a power), Kilga was killed by a third party who obscures kills, Kilga has a power/was targeted by a power that temporarily removes him or scum has a second Night Kill. If there are other options, do share them, but these are what I consider.
The last one is retarded for balance and I would slap Dormio hard in the after-game if it is the case, I don't assume a Townie would use such an irresponsible power, and only the third seems like a logical reason to propose a questionmark after the Pseudo-LYLO announcement.
So. Thus why I consider a Jesus/Day Commuter power. Flavour also says "disappear". Prblm?
Affinity completely ignores my case. I'm despair. Bard(ノ゜o゜)ノ ●～* Σ(゜д゜) Affinity Conq I have no clue what you mean by "cookie-cutter case making". Please elucidate.
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Bard, what happened to your feelings about huhwhat from yesterday?
We talked about it in QT, Huh What is totally cools.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 10, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
@Bard: Replied to it here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg854754.html#msg854754)
@Dan: My D1 questioning of Omba is bad? Omba's questioning of BT ended with 'if you can't differentiate scummy from anti-town why don't you ask questions', which was silly even in context since many were not 'asking questions'. I believe I also addressed why I thought the case on BT was fundamentally bad.
Well, even if what you say is true, then Omba could have replied with that and we could have talked it over like gentlemen. I don't think the above is much of a misrep, but saying it so late in the day is really huh when you could have raised this a long time ago.
Not much to say about the rest of your case; not interested in the huhwhat thing and I explained the BT thing here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853737.html#msg853737). I gave Shadoweh time but nothing happened, you know.
Don't really see much value in the Neko vs Conq thing. The earlier's silliness has won her a townread from me, and I would rather go after the other two scum, if any. Still think Dan is town, still waiting on Serela, everyone else is a heap of sadness to be filtered through my brain some day.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 10, 2012, 01:19:53 PM
I am clearly inattentive.
The particular reason I raised the "if it is legit" point is that it, to me, shows a lack of trust that the claim is genuine. You say there was no need to add your voice to it, but I feel there was value in it. Knowing that you lynch Shadoweh because you find her scum is more settling than your blurb on how SHadoweh is useless. Being useless does not equate to Scum, else Serela should deserve a noose. (ilu Serela)
From your posts I still glean that you call Shadoweh anti-Town and not once is it made apparent that you think Shadoweh is, in fact, Scum. You quite literally say that you'd lynch her for Anti-Town play (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853279.html#msg853279) and vote her for unhelpful (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853972.html#msg853972),
The Conq thing is that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg852663.html#msg852663) you say:
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Conq's limited range on D1 bugs me, and I'm interested to know he's reads for today.
It seems to me, then, that if Conq were to provide reads, he would no longer be quite scummy.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 10, 2012, 01:29:03 PM
@Conq: "sheeping Affinity > NNR WHY" Affinity wagon looked lots more possible than NNR wagon at that time. Plus, had more things to point at. A NNR case can collectively be summed up as "opportunistic flailing derpscum", but apparently a NNR lynch is happening and that is obviously fine with me. Sheeping, yes, admittedly, because laziness + time shortage + felt Bard's case was satisfactory. Should probably make a detailed case sometime soon.
Uh... I guess I claim now? Ok. Ayato Naoi, Student Council President(Vanilla Townie). Apparently I think I'm God or something.
SK permise is interesting but feels like a way of pointing more fingers at more players. "Uhhh I have 4 null reads, oh look 3+1 now I can point at all of them!" Would consider Conq/Serela as possibilities simply because they're not_scum and everyone else is neighbor/neighbor/scum/scum/scum/self, but general dislike of adding SK to the mix to justify more lynches.
Dan's sudden me/Affinity preference is icky because I believe he had worse reads and this is kind of an unexplained jump.
"I'm here". Now for rereading.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 10, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
You have ~36 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120712T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
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SK permise is interesting but feels like a way of pointing more fingers at more players. "Uhhh I have 4 null reads, oh look 3+1 now I can point at all of them!" Would consider Conq/Serela as possibilities simply because they're not_scum and everyone else is neighbor/neighbor/scum/scum/scum/self, but general dislike of adding SK to the mix to justify more lynches.
just noting that unless Kilga is Actually Scum, if we do indeed have an SK then lynching it today is insta-lose for town anyway, so we would like to NOT lynch our SK
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 03:55:45 PM
@MOD: Can town conceivably lose the game following a No-Lynch today?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
since it's pseudo-lylo(?) instead of pseudo-mylo(?) the answer should be yes
But asking the mod questions for complete clarification (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEZOvhvExJA) doesn't hurt :3
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 05:13:52 PM
BT popcorn, select someone to claim
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 10, 2012, 05:15:55 PM
Oh.
Well, since you're here... :D
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 05:18:23 PM
Noda, Idiot(Vanilla Townie).
Rawr was right on.
Conq go!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 05:22:26 PM
Affinity didn't claim his flavor role when he claimed, but getting his flavor was like pulling teeth in Shadoweh's So You Want To Be The Townest and he was town, so, :shrug:
Also I'm actually doing my rereads! 1/4 done. Will post results after I finish since they'll influence eachother, putting notes in a notepad document since everyone knows I'll forget by then.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 05:31:12 PM
lol dan blatantly claimed noda in his first post
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 05:36:45 PM
Noda should have been given something more than vanilla townie, that's why I claimed it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 06:16:15 PM
Affinity's been off since D1. His Serela vote is... weird. His defense of Shadoweh d2 strikes me the wrong way. Then at the end he goes "EH I'M TIRED OF SHADOWEH, LET'S KILL HER FOR BEING UNHELPFUL" which strikes me as even weirder.
The other things I don't like I'm not really sure how to explain, but those points are probably my biggest ones. Well, and there's another one, but I'd much like to refrain from stating it.
Affinity is by far my preferred vote for today.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 06:23:32 PM
Due to the fact that I believe there's an SK I'd like to refrain from stating my reread results on the other three right now (Their results aren't all that helpful to the rest of town, anyway). Hopefully by tomorrow's start the mafia roleblocker will be dead.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 06:23:52 PM
Affinity's been off since D1. His Serela vote is... weird. His defense of Shadoweh d2 strikes me the wrong way. Then at the end he goes "EH I'M TIRED OF SHADOWEH, LET'S KILL HER FOR BEING UNHELPFUL" which strikes me as even weirder.
The other things I don't like I'm not really sure how to explain, but those points are probably my biggest ones. Well, and there's another one, but I'd much like to refrain from stating it.
Affinity is by far my preferred vote for today.
You've already said too much. Should have waited for Conq.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 07:00:42 PM
actually reading my flavor implies something about people who have power roles... which has come true. :Psyduck:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 07:33:08 PM
@Neko: Why did you claim VT so early again?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 07:34:02 PM
posts
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 07:34:20 PM
fuck I missed 3:33:33
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 07:50:45 PM
o man just noticed the 2 votes on Neko. Again. at least one scum in Neko/Conq/HW.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 10, 2012, 08:13:45 PM
Yeah, it's Pseudo-lylo for a reason, and it doesn't seem to be the kind of pseudo-lylo where it's fairly unlikely it won't end on a mislynch
so many double negatives! also it's fairly likely the game will end on another mislynch. think about it. SK + mafia kill with 3 scum : 3 town : 1 SK. unless SK hits mafia it's over.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 08:26:56 PM
Yeah, and it'd be pretty likely for the SK to hit scum, I imagine. I mean... two of those townies are HW and Bard. And one of them is me. The SK would have to be deluded or suicidal to target any of us over the other three choices, all of which would have to be scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 08:28:37 PM
Okay I guess it's within the realm of possibility that one of HW or Bard is scum, but that'd still leave them with 2/3 scum in the Good Idea Shot choices.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Yeah, and it'd be pretty likely for the SK to hit scum, I imagine. I mean... two of those townies are HW and Bard. And one of them is me. The SK would have to be deluded or suicidal to target any of us over the other three choices, all of which would have to be scum.
actually that's a good point. Although methinks you're the SK and in the situation where Affinity is town that would make BT, Conq, and Neko scum, which is a little hard to swallow. I'll look into bussing possibilities between BT/Affinity and Conq/Neko
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
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@Neko: Why did you claim VT so early again?
Wasn't there a pretty nicely sized wagon on me D1?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
Anyways I disagree with an Affinity wagon. She just hasn't stuck me as all that scummy. I'd much rather go for Conq or BT or HW today.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 09:01:11 PM
Wasn't there a pretty nicely sized wagon on me D1?
you claimed at 4 votes ircc. by most standards it's early. It's certainly plausible to claim then, but if you could go into more detail about what influenced you to claim besides wagon size.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 09:06:06 PM
It was easier to get it out of the way at the time. I'm still a VT so it's not like my role is worth anything more then a voice and a vote, I didn't think too much of it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 10, 2012, 10:57:16 PM
Hours remaining: 27 Number of Conq's lynched 0/1 Number of scum on wagons 0/3 Number of townies expressing urge to go forward with wagons 1/8
Time's running out guys.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 10, 2012, 10:59:04 PM
we haven't even completed massclaim yet
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 11:08:17 PM
everyone claiming VT as expected seems pretty likely so far anyway
How many people are left after Conq anyway? I know there's me. (Hint:You probably know what I'm going to claim) ...hrm, that seems to be it.
I guess I'm not sure whether HW and Bard actually claimed their names and flavor or whatever, but they've claimed neighbors with no other powers so whatever.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 11:15:08 PM
Have only skimmed updates but we're doing a massclaim? I'm Kanade Tachibana, Ex-Student Council President(Vanilla Townie)
Whoever is left should go (I think it's just Serela)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 10, 2012, 11:17:10 PM
I guess I'm not sure whether HW and Bard actually claimed their names and flavor or whatever, but they've claimed neighbors with no other powers so whatever.
Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Neighbor)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 11:18:35 PM
I am Ōyama, Jack of All Trades.
And apparently master of jack crap, because I'm Vanilla Town. My distinguishing trait is that I'm overwhelmingly ordinary and was even mistaken for being a random NPC. :I
I'm sure you all understand my confirmation post now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 11:37:39 PM
If I ask you what your thoughts are on Huh What, it is because your past answers are unclear and do not satisfactorily answer the goddamn question.
-.- Well, I thought it was pretty clear that my post indicated a preference for logic > personal preference considering the tone + the fact that I wasn't pushing huhwhat as scum, but I guess I can see where there could have been potential confusion. So there you go.
Conq I have no clue what you mean by "cookie-cutter case making". Please elucidate.
It's hard for me to elucidate what I mean. Would you disagree if I called your case-making rigid? I get the feeling from your posts this game that once you've settled on a conclusion regarding a player you're not likely to change it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 11:40:09 PM
Hmm, that's not what I mean either. Well, I'll just say you remind me of your play when you were scum in that mountainous game. It's hard to describe.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 11:41:50 PM
I guess the best way to put it is that you read like you've already decided on the scumminess of your target before you make an attack on them.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 10, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
or are you Jack of All Trades(Vanilla) or something?
yes, I'm Vanilla Townie as said
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 10, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
So... town has a cop, doc, neighbors and whatever Kilga was (probably Vanilla) against 3 scum with a 1-shot janvig? I guess?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 10, 2012, 11:57:41 PM
Well, there's something that isn't out in the open, considering it's only Pseudo-LyLo. (Unless Kilga -seriously- is coming back later. I will laugh my ass off if that really happens.)
Given how strong town seems to be (Esp. considering the unknown thing) scum probably had a godfather in addition to their roleblocker to help protect against the cop.
But whatever. With the new knowledge, setup speculation became pointless. We just have to lynch who we think is scum and hope for the best.
Speaking of that, we've got 24 hours left. It's sort of time to work that out! So, I want to lynch Affinity. What about you guys?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 11:58:20 PM
Wait a minute. Something's up. 3 scum with an unrestricted janvig in a 13p setup? No.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 10, 2012, 11:58:55 PM
EBWOP: huhwhat's game had a scum extra janvig but that was conditional upon the scumteam losing a member.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
I'm thinking even-night SK.
Conq: also, that set-up was meant for 16 players but a goon and insomniac had to be cut for downsizing reasons
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 11, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Well, whoops, forgot to claim flavour. In that case, since I am being voted for 'being weird' (seriously what scummy function does my Serela vote accomplish), I probably need to come clean so that people will start looking at the right direction.
I claim Yuzuru Otonashi, the Main Character(Even-night Serial Killer). I am very enthusiastic about fulfilling people's lifetime wishes and sending them into a blissful afterlife. Thus, every even night, I can make people so happy that they 'disappear', which is what happened to Kilga, who was actually a Town Tracker (revealed to me on death). Reason why I went after him was because there was something fluffy about his Shadoweh case which I did not like, as well as gut. He's also impossible to make a case on, so yeah, I made him feel like Bill Gates and he went to heaven.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 11, 2012, 12:01:43 AM
:L :L :L :L :L
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
26 hours whatever.
Conq:It could have been a town vig with a janitor restriction, that doesn't want to claim for whatever reason (Possibly forced not to?) too. The point is, since it's p.mylo instead of p.lylo, the likely possibilities can't be narrowed down enough with what we know right now.
So we should cut out the setup spec and just work out our lynch the old fashioned way. By voting Affinity.
Cut:Even-night SK makes sense. Scum janvig wouldn't be horrendously shocking. Town janvig would be headtilting for several reasons but whatever. Not too important what it is, let's move on :I
STOP CUTTING ME AAAA oh even night sk claim WELL THEN.
OH AND HE KILLED THE TOWN TRACKER AAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
I guess the best way to put it is that you read like you've already decided on the scumminess of your target before you make an attack on them.
That may be because I am in the habit of only making cases on people I think are genuinely Scum unless otherwise said. I've written cases that I discard without posting as I convince myself they are not on the correct target. In any case, fair enough; Do you think the cases are wrong, however?
I don't know if Rawr claimed or whatever but I'm Hideki Hinata, Co-Founder of the Afterlife War Front(Neighborizer). I have an additional power to open a QT with someone besides Yurippe, independent of our QT.
So... NekoNeko, why Conq over Affinity or BT? Conq, Huh What, why Neko Neko over Affinity or BT? We're nearing the last leg of the journey, might be prudent to get our carsd on the table. If you think there is no Scum among Conq/BT/Affinity/NekoNekoRex, you may want to make that apparent before it is too late to swing a wagon. We want to lynch Scum today (unless overwhelming support for No Lynch, but No Lynch is terrible when you leave the state of the next Day to Scum and we've already lost Cop/Doc) so it's imperative everyone lay out clearly their top Scum suspect and cases.
I remain convinced that Affinity is the scum we seek for, but I intend to re-read Neko and BT as well.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 12:03:03 AM
Also, Affinity cut, which only means that I will accept no lynch other than Affinity today. Serial Killer is not a Town-aligned entity, and for fuck's sake please let this game be one where we DON'T assume Serial Killer is another way to write Town Vigilante.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 12:05:01 AM
...only Affinity is even night and this is modconfirmed. If we lynch him and the scumkill is succesful, we lose.
I think NNR had the scummiest approach to the Shadoweh wagon. BT was being righteous reactionary town mad because he felt misrepped by Shadoweh's case, and actively involved himself with the wagon. NNR didn't really get his hands dirty with anything.
Affinity I only had one major issue with and now he's obviously not getting lynched.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:05:24 AM
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If you think there is no Scum among Conq/BT/Affinity/NekoNekoRex, you are bonkers because that means Serela/Bard/Huhwhat scumteam.
fix'd
Bard did you notice affinity's claim you didn't seem to mention it and it was only 2 minutes before your post OH there you go.
BARD. BARD :I IT IS LYLO THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO LYNCH THIRD PARTIES
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:06:15 AM
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I have an additional power to open a QT with someone besides Yurippe, independent of our QT.
Claim what you've done with this pl0x.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 12:07:34 AM
Nothing. You can ask everyone else, I don't have a QT with anyone. Except Huh Whatty.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 11, 2012, 12:07:53 AM
Uh well. I'm going to go think for a bit. Will respond to Bard in a bit as I intend to get a case out by tonight anyway.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 12:08:26 AM
This is the first I've heard of rawr/Bard having an extra ability, by the way.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:09:02 AM
Also Affinity could be Actually Scum and just gambitting but considering all the info we have I think it's more likely he's telling the truth. Because otherwise scum was given a janitor extra kill that they can use before any of their members dies which is just plain silly balance-wise.
Bard:OR we could lynch the claimed third party and lose because it's lylo and we have to lynch SCUM.
Also yeah the extra power suddenly makes me headtilt.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 12:09:53 AM
Do you think Affinity is actually scum and not third party?
I think Affinity is a non-Town aligned entity for 100% sure, and it's more likely he's as he says than that he is Scum.
Yes, okay, no, when I calc it you're right, 8->7->6 == 3 town vs 3 scum town goes orz
Still we let Affinity live we look, at best, at 8->7->6 == 3 town vs 1 Affinity vs 2 scum -> Affinity can make a deal with Scum to instant-win on Scum's side.
Urgh I am so frustrate why can we never just lynch the goddamn claimed third party.
##Unvote
How is Affinity mod-confirmed to be an even-Night Serial Killer?
Cut by huh whatty. Oh. Right.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:22:31 AM
On the UPSIDE, no-lynching is now a viable strategy, because then if we mislynch tomorrow Affinity's kill will come up as a last hope to save us. (I haven't run the numbers to see if that makes it hard for town to manage to win instead of Affinity, though.)
Affinity didn't explicitly claim bulletproof but it's not surprising if he is and that's the most likely reason tonight is only pseudo.
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Affinity can make a deal with Scum to instant-win on Scum's side.
He's an SK, not a survivor. However, getting into a situation where town can't win due to never getting a chance to lynch the SK is a possibility. This is also a worry for scum though. Affinity is in a powerful position if we manage to not game over today.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 12:23:07 AM
wait, if the sk is even night and there's no vig, why was pesco of all people the n1 kill
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:24:07 AM
because it's pesco I guess
They also might have been thinking the same thing Neko was :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:26:35 AM
Oh hey, time to renew PoE now that we've got a SK up in here.
Me/HW/Bard town. Affinity third party. Dan/BT/Conq/Neko as ???. Well, I guess Conq and Neko can' t both be town then.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 11, 2012, 12:28:04 AM
I am vindicated by Kilga's flip, I would think. : ] Don't think I'm the scum people are looking for. Why would I claim SK if it's unsafe to do so anyways?
Well, Bard quoting only one facet of my Conq case is rather huh. He did have his little questioning period on huhwhat, but I was not swayed by that, for example.
Serela voting me for being 'weird' is not scumhunting at all. The reason why everyone's in a high school on a giant floating cloud is because they are weird anyways. There's precedent for it here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853639.html#msg853639), but the BT points are mysteriously missing. I don't know about this, but Serela/BT? Hmm.
Still set with lynching BT, though. Conq at first glance looks somewhat fine today, and I will see if I can reread NNR or something (though I don't expect to find anything).
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 12:30:58 AM
i reallllly don't think serela is scum after he missed the doc's flip. he's not the sort of person to think of that thing and the scum quicktopic should have been partying about how they lynched the doc
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 12:31:36 AM
He's an SK, not a survivor. However, getting into a situation where town can't win due to never getting a chance to lynch the SK is a possibility. This is also a worry for scum though. Affinity is in a powerful position if we manage to not game over today.
I'm very used to SKs being Survivors as well due to difficulty in killing all of the Mafia and all bar one of Town. Your optimism is not shared. Nor is the faith that Affinity will act in Town's best interests.
Can we.
Just please. For once. Serial Killer isn't Town Vigilante. Please. JUST ONCE.
Cut by Affinity being all smug. Fsgfgds I hate everything.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 12:33:45 AM
As much as I loathe to admit lynching Affinity may lead into Scum win, but fuck if I'm happy with it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 12:36:27 AM
OH HAHAHA, I just remembered, scum roleblocker, yeah no-lynching is not an option today because Affinity would just get roleblocked.
The secret reason I voted Affinity is because I thought BT was the SK and Affinity was scum trying to push him off a cliff. I'm sorry :C
In my reread I thought BT looked very not-normal-BT. I wasn't sure if he was actually scum, but he seemed to fit the SK bill perfectly. Dan was being way too... well, the way he's been D3, it seemed too unlikely that he was the SK taking refuge in furious SK hunt or whatever word better describes his today-actions. And I thought Affinity was scum. So.
I'm okay with voting BT after the new developments mean he isn't the SK and Affinity also isn't scum.
Cut:Bard, I've never seen SK doubling as survivor on MotK before. Maybe other places! But not here. Also I don't want to lose the game just to lynch the third party :I That's entirely silly. I also think playing against your win condition is against the rules, but I haven't read them recently.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 12:58:42 AM
affinity, what are your thoughts on switching to NekoRex right now?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 01:00:57 AM
Oh considering the situation I guess I should probably go ahead and
##Vote BT
Hey Neko :D BT is your counterwagon. Come vote him if you don't want to be lynched, please.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 01:16:45 AM
just in case mod is super troll.
@MOD: Is it conceivable that town will lose if a town is mis-lynched today?
oboy. well! Pretty sure Conq/Hw/Serela had a decent enough opportunity to quick-lynch Affinity for the win before Bard unvoted, so congrats! at least one of you is town!
what was Kilga's name? Will look for tracker crumbs + N1 result crumbs
If kilga was a tracker it's plausible again that one of the neighbors could be scum. I'm surprised Bard didn't think of "the numbers" about how lynching Affinity leads to a loss faster. Like immediately.
That said it's possible affinity is a fake-claiming survivor where Scum has 2 members + an extra jan-vig. He could also be fake-claiming scum where scum has 3 members + a Janvig that's only actionable either N1 or N2 or something like that. However, both these options are very unlikely. So let's assume SK for now.
Serela, your extra reason for suspecting affinity was thinking BT was the SK that scum affinity wanted to off? gotcha. I thought you were gonna claim vig or something.
first. I really don't think Serela is scum. Second. That leaves Hw/Bard/Conq/BT/Neko.
I am getting the idea that maybe Conq is bussing Neko. Irregardless. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Will probably vote Neko.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 01:20:13 AM
from this point forward.
at least one of Conq/Neko/HW is scum
at least one of Serela/BT is scum. I am slightly worried Serela voted BT just now to frame the question that way.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 01:22:44 AM
can't find crumbs, but my first guess would be that kilga tracked conq nowhere, since he put his conq pressure on the backburner overnight
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 01:26:50 AM
Bard:Would you rather vote BT or Neko?
Because, after BT and Neko vote the not-them wagons, it'll be a tie; and Dan wants to vote Neko, which means you would be the only means to get a BT lynch, so if it's your preferred, well.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 01:28:15 AM
Oh waiiiit 5 to lynch not four to lynch. I KEEP FORGETTING THAT.
So even if Bard voted BT we'd just be tied.
Well isn't that a doozy :c I am suddenly concerned about getting my BT lynch.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 01:32:15 AM
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Bard:Would you rather vote BT or Neko?
I'm rereading. Presently I didn't give either of them much thought but liked NekoRex better than BT. Need to read to reaffirm this.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 01:38:48 AM
NNR:
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Hours remaining: 27 Number of Conq's lynched 0/1 Number of scum on wagons 0/3 Number of townies expressing urge to go forward with wagons 1/8
At the time you posted that only ActionDan and Serela weren't voting. What do you mean by no scum on wagons?
BT:
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@Conq: "sheeping Affinity > NNR WHY" Affinity wagon looked lots more possible than NNR wagon at that time. Plus, had more things to point at. A NNR case can collectively be summed up as "opportunistic flailing derpscum", but apparently a NNR lynch is happening and that is obviously fine with me. Sheeping, yes, admittedly, because laziness + time shortage + felt Bard's case was satisfactory. Should probably make a detailed case sometime soon.
I'm parsing this as you voting for "most possible wagon" instead of "most scummy wagon". Can you explain in further detail why you said that in conjunction with saying here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg854721.html#msg854721) that you're p. certain of Dan/Neko Scum? Looks like voting easiest wagon instead of scummiest wagon, need elucidation.
It's like 3:33 AM and we've more than 12 hours so gonna sleep for now and finish reread tomorrow.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 02:13:05 AM
Okay guys, I crunched the numbers.
The results are a little :C-worthy, so it's pretty important that you try to follow me here!
First, let's establish some facts. Affinity is most probably actually an SK. Scum has a roleblocker. And the reason we're in pseudo-lylo is most probably only because Affinity is most likely bulletproof, which means scum know who not to shoot in order to get an NK off tonight, so it may as well not be Pseudo-lylo.
We cannot no-lynch today, because the only way town can win that is if we managed to lynch the roleblocker tomorrow AND affinity managed to shoot a scum during the night. Which is a crapshoot due to the roleblocker part.
So, we lynch scum today. If we lynch the roleblocker, we likely already lost. Now isn't that fun? Tomorrow, either we lynch a scum and scum+affinity kill a town (Town loss if they don't kill the same townie), or we lynch town and even if Affinity shoots scum it's 1 Town 1 Scum 1 SK town loss.
If we -don't- lynch the roleblocker today, we also have to lynch ANOTHER scum tomorrow who is -also- not the roleblocker, or the same as above happens. LOVELY, ISN'T IT. (Scum also wants their roleblocker to not die, because Affinity has to keep scum from winning using his kill if needed, and Affinity will not be lynched tomorrow since then town would lose to two scum.)
Tl;dr:In order to win, town has to not only lynch two scum in a row, but we have to lynch both the scum who are NOT the roleblocker. Otherwise we have to pray that Affinity accidentally shoots A.The final scum or B.The same person scum shoots. Which are also crapshoots.
I'm debating whether it's realistic to ask the scum roleblocker to claim so we don't lynch him. The problem is, it'd be easy for them to lie to just redirect the lynch onto a townie. Auuuuugh.
Maybe it'd have been better if I just didn't think about this and simply prayed we happened to not lynch the RB'er.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 02:17:03 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 02:20:11 AM
Even if we lynched the two scum who aren't the roleblocker, the RBer could just troll town by not blocking Affinity since he's already lost :I
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 11, 2012, 02:31:52 AM
@HW: Neko is being irritating, but he's drawing too much attention to himself. His case on you, while disagreeable, feels excessive and too much against the general sentiment, especially when he has a slightly more solid case on Conq (barring the gotcha games thing). As a subsidiary case he could always have pushed me instead. Sure, on hindsight, his reads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg853818.html#msg853818) seem more and more irrelevant, but I don't think him scum. I would sooner lynch Conq and BT (who has even less content, and surely not as controversial) over him even.
Besides, he's adorable.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 02:33:15 AM
do you think the third scum is in bard and i, then?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 11, 2012, 02:41:43 AM
I'm rereading. Presently I didn't give either of them much thought but liked NekoRex better than BT. Need to read to reaffirm this.
Knew I'd have to correct this. Meant "scum being wagoned"
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 11, 2012, 02:48:04 AM
oops, wrong quote. Eh, I'm sure he gets what I meant.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 11, 2012, 03:02:35 AM
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f you think there is no Scum among Conq/BT/Affinity/NekoNekoRex
Conq's motivations and lynch choices better fit the scum gameplan then Huhwhat's, and he's a more sensible scum overall. His attacks on Shadoweh involved a lot of meta being thrown around, too, which I disapprove of.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 03:04:49 AM
So I was making a post and it imploded in on itself as I tried to figure out what the fuck I was doing.
Here is said post. Read at your own risk. It might be painful to your mind. It also includes that it doesn't matter if we lynch the roleblocker or not and why. You're probably better off not reading it and going for the tl;dr below. (http://puu.sh/HxeT)
tl;dr version:If we lynch two scum by n4, scum can no longer win and town has a chance, with the final scum getting the ability to help whichever remaining team it feels like helping to win (Or not giving a fuck and letting whatever happen.) The one way town can win with a mislynch tomorrow instead of lynching two scum by n4, is ridiculously unlikely for several reasons and not worth counting.
So now that I'm done being absolutely insane, let's lynch BT because he's scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Serela on July 11, 2012, 03:05:54 AM
Dear god I wish I haven't thought about all that, but once I started I couldn't stop.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 11, 2012, 03:31:44 AM
@HW: Conceivably. Bard in particular, but we'll get to that bridge when and if it comes. Could be Serela too, surely. No one is safe.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 06:39:15 AM
Oh my God.
If Affinity isn't lying scum trying to forcelynch me I will be LIVELY at Conq during postgame.
...Though if SERELA is somehow scum everyone'd have to be lively at everyone for being derp with that asinine clear. But, like, wow.
I know how you feel Bard, I want to lynch Affinity too. Like, badly n'stuff. It's a good thing we have other scum though.
##Unvote ##Vote NekoNekoRex
Guess it's time to point out all the rightous scum stuff before town lose by "ok let's switch to BT because just look at Serela". Gonna do that now.
Bard: I thought both of them were scum. Both wagons were on scum. Did not have a preference between them.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 06:41:38 AM
By the way I MIGHT be POSSIBLY assuming Dan!Scum too when I make connections. Just when I point at all their pokes and distancing and all the other definitely unimportant stuff.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 07:26:49 AM
First serious post at #76 is already weird by, although explaining himself normally, rushing to accuse Kilga of grasping for straws. At post-RVS.
HW vote at #138, looking at it now, is a very easy vote for scum to make, because it's basically self-decided meta. "This isn't normal, he's obviously scum". At this point Dan makes a case on single scum Neko while handwaving a supermajority of players as town.
Later "I dislike Omba's vote but I still think there's a hint of truth in it." and I am psyduck'ing hardcore.
Completely disregarding Rawr's switch by calling him a derp is soooo baaddddd. (#242)
Remember that "I can't find HW scum if LLD can't find HW scum" thing? Only occurs to me now that he used this to get on the Shadoweh wagon IN THE SAME POST (#248). Oh, and he voted her for being The Worst Derp.
:I :I :I :I :I :I
#266 is that last-ditch Dan vote, after people started clearing Shadomeh. To quote: "This isn't going to help my now inevitable lynch but I might as well try." By the way, this is why this is definitely scum:
Before I start making a text wall on why Actionan is scum since that's my now apparent last desperate attempt to save myself, here's a claim.
Reason for last-ditch Dan wagon is not to point at scum because the town are being stupid right in front of me and I have to be the ~guiding light~, but to save self. Basically paving the way for this to be disregarded once the day ends and he flips scum. Better yet, strengthening a Town!Dan read because just look at the angry scum trying to incriminate Dan town! D-i-s-t-a-n-c-i-n-g.
Which flip do you guys think will reveal more? Me or Omba?
Oh. My. God.
At the very same post he colors the wagon as voting him on playstyle instead of scumminess. Out of the flippin' blue. I'm almost as angry at myself right now because I didn't pay this much mind because ~Omba was scum~.
Shadoweh is easy because his posts made no sense and looks full of derp and not-trying.
Worst hypocrisy this side of the hemisphere.
#348, new justification for the earlier HW vote is now "it was early-mid D1 and I had nothing better to work with". I think I wasted all my :I 's earlier.
That's it for D1. Since this was so short I'm going to take a break and go over D2 later. :D
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 07:31:31 AM
Actually.
I'm going to say this now.
Dan has no reason not to switch to my wagon the instant Bard votes (theoretically) because they win. So, um, Serela, I need you to ~open your eyes~ and think carefully and NOT vote me just because I seem un-BT-like and stuff.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 08:14:45 AM
Back from my delicious shower to make a few more things clear:
Elaborating on the main point in that big post;
Game'd Town with a last-minute scum read they're certain of want to point out as many things as possible so that town can possibly go off of that during the next day. Game'd Scum have no motivation to do this. Game'd Scum vs Scum have motivation to do this unconvincingly, so that the accusations don't get taken seriously but distance is formed at the same time. Also, we're talking about Game'd Scum. The case would be viewed with his scum flip anyway.
Also, my wagon is silly.
Affinity is voting me because I'm "a worse Conq" by "being the worst on the Shadoweh wagon" which has still not been adequately explained. Still an easy voteswitch. Serela is silly. NNR is NMOM. Bard feels better about Neko.
Now to point at things that made the wagon possible:
Don't really see much value in the Neko vs Conq thing. The earlier's silliness has won her a townread from me, and I would rather go after the other two scum, if any. Still think Dan is town, still waiting on Serela, everyone else is a heap of sadness to be filtered through my brain some day.
Also I believe we *should* lynch between BT Affinity. Ofc maybe Conq will dazzle the crowds with some Bard case. Also massclaim. kthx
Doesn't it all make sense now?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 08:15:05 AM
Well, not "my wagon", but I'm thinking ahead here.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 08:16:06 AM
By the way, the speed and ease in which Neko changed reads is another thing I'll be pointing at. :L
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 08:48:08 AM
Oh man BT is so ecstatic just look at him post 8 times in a row he must be scum.
Read the last similar LYLO. (hint: Path of Radiance) Was just as hyped then.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 09:01:07 AM
##Vote: NekoNekoRex (L-1)!
Pretend I am scum quick hammering with a bud to win.
Seriously It's difficult to care to much.
I haven't really liked Bard's recent stuff, but I'm going to risk Neko as scum. Otherwise I believe the scum team would have to be something like Conq/BT/ (one of Bard/Serela) and if so GJ at the early distancing between BT/Conq.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 09:05:42 AM
##Unvote ##Vote NekoNekoRex
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 09:06:26 AM
can somebody tell me how scum!serela would have missed omba flipping doc
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 09:10:23 AM
still think one of Serela/BT is scum from wagons. Not sure why Bard never used his extra neighborizing ability. He could be scum alone for that.
cut.
Cut by HW being a scum bastarddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
cut oh I thought you wanted to try some reaction thing.
@HW. I seriously don't know. I was leaning town on both BT/Serela by play. I keep forgetting that if Affinity is BP scum can't quick lynch. so I takeback one of BT/Serela mmust be scum
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 09:11:51 AM
also one thing that really bugs me is that scum have a huge voting block right now and could probably win with little effort by triple-voting an easy target, which could be what's happening with rex.
lemme think if conq/bt/dan is possible
dan cut: my vote was already on rex. i was just being silly in response to you mentioning hammering with a buddy (though bard is probably going to start going HW SCUM FOR JOKING AROUND again i guess)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 11, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
You have ~16.75 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120712T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 09:15:08 AM
actually quick-lynching is fine for scum at this point. scum win automatically.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 09:17:09 AM
So that really does mean one of Serela/BT is scum.
A part of me wants to get a flip out of Neko and the other is reasoning that voting BT is a better path.
I'm going to pretend scum is bussing Neko and that it's all ok
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 09:17:38 AM
assuming we're not all underestimating serela, either the scumteam is dan/conq/bt or at least one of bard/neko is scum
i think neko -looks- the scummiest but i'm starting to get a really bad feeling about this. re-reading for dan/conq/bt interactions
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 09:18:34 AM
question: do people listen to me more when i make effortposts and use Caps Lock*, i've just been kinda lazy this game and haven't been doing that
*i'm a strong, independent fast typist who don't need no shift)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 09:20:19 AM
tbh I haven't read your posts in much detail. Same with Conq, Kilga, and Bard.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 09:36:15 AM
HW.
Read my posts.
It's Neko/Dan forever.
Handwaving most of Neko's terribleness as derptown is nice and all (not accusing you of this, this is what most people are doing) but he's scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 11, 2012, 09:38:21 AM
Actually, read their posts. You should arrive at the same conclusion.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 09:57:16 AM
also: i don't think bard neglecting to use his extra ability is scummy. i think it's weird that he and rawr never told me about it though since rawr was town-reading me. unfortunately rawr's not in the game and we can't really get an explanation
anyway hi i re-read again for interactions
for dan-conq-bt to be buddies there needs to have been a weird ED1 bussers bussing bussers set-up. most of said votes were pretty throwaway though
looking at conq / bt... yeah, conq's early bt vote definitely reminds me of weak ED1 prods on scumbuddies i've seen in the past
(mainly from affinity)
. this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg850885.html#msg850885) looks like it's setting up bt with an easy out of conq's pressure. plus, conq starting a last-minute bt wagon with minimal support is basically how scum bus on d1 - they make it look like they're pushing their buddy's lynch when they know their buddy's wagon won't take off.
minus points for dan / conq / bt: dan went out of his way to point out that he had no opinion on the conq / bt scuffle. dan isn't serela so i wouldn't expect refuge in audacity here
don't think dan/rex make sense as buddies. dan's d1 rex case was pretty strong and i don't think he would have expected nobody to jump on it if he was trying to fake a bus. spearheading a wagon on his buddy that early would've just been stupid, and he was also a contributor to the attempt at a last minute neko lynch d1 when there was reasonable support for it
in fact dan just reads town to me in general and has done so all game. one thing i do want from him, though: what were your thought process in response to the mason claim, dan? instantly assuming a d1 mason claim is not a gambit and buddying it reminds me of my play in midnight crew
i'm thinking rex's buddies would probably be conq and bt pulling a lylo bus for cred due to an evident lack of interest in a bard or dan lynch. bt would have had to switch and assist the bus because of affinity's claim. if you'll notice, rex hasn't actually wanted bt lynched despite the way the wagons are forming, and voting conq over me when he's been suspicious of me all game is quite possibly forced distancing. given the push on conq and i at the same time i don't think the way he got to conq and i being his suspects was townie. also on d2 the three managed to basically ignore eachother completely during the chaos of the shadoweh wagon. consider these last thoughts if neko flips scum and i die tonight
for roles... i'd assume rolecop, roleblocker, godfather.
so yeah, still feel like rex is the best choice but thoughts from the other people who've been staying up alllll night would be nice. dan pls respond
ps: re-reading day phases where lld was alive is just painful
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 10:04:31 AM
bt, if rex and dan are buddies, who would be the third scum?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 10:09:07 AM
also: i don't buy the affinity-survivor theory, because if he was survivor, there was no reason for him to needlessly draw negative attention by switching to shadoweh at the end of day 2. it makes more sense if he were an sk because in lylo he could claim it to instantly get out of trouble
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 11, 2012, 10:15:14 AM
as for your mason claim. I knew that you being neighbors only was a decent possibility but I didn't really care. I thought both of you were town before that. The point was that focusing on and spending time doubting the claim to such an extent (not cross-checking as to what extent it really was doubted) was counter-productive and that people should have exited your wagon immediately.
as for the scum team possibilities, with Affinity as town I feel like neko/conq together makes sense, although fitting in Bt is awkward, though fitting in Serela is more wierd. subbing conq for bard or possibly you might be ok. stuff without Neko is of the form Bt/Conq/neighbor doesn't look right with you inserted and Bard being inserted doesn't matter to me because by rights anything with Bard in it with Neko town has won.
agree more with the affinity as SK, and as what he claimed.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 11, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
yeah ok
i don't think fitting bt in a conq/neko scumteam is that awkward, if you look at his d1 interactions with conq he was practically being handed outs from conq's pressure, and neko is currently ignoring the bt wagon even though it's the counterwagon to neko himself. current no-flips conspiracy theory is that scum was expecting to mislynch affinity today after passing off conq/neko as a town struggle but then the sk claim took them by surprise
anyway i'm going to bed. for future reference, if people are satisfied with the lynch while i'm still asleep, i don't really have any objections to an overnight hammer because i doubt i'll have much more to say
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 11, 2012, 10:21:55 AM
You have ~15.6 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120712T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 10:50:42 AM
Finished re-read, woke up to boot. Tea was nice.
So all things considering the Scum Team is between NNR, BT, and ActionDan for me, which means unless a freak incident makes Serela Scum or Conq Scum, I'm p. sure we can lynch all the scums. Problem the SK.
After a full re-reading of both NekoNekoRex and BT, I stumbled on something interesting.
i was staying up in bed thinking about this game so i went back on my computer. did not expect to return to this
let me guess, your buddies were conq/bt?
Of course not, you and Serela are my buddies. Neighbour QT more like Scum QT amirite.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
Not that I'm Scum. I'm as green as my avatar is. BT/NNR/Dan are the scum team so it's totes fine we'll win anyway. Serela's number crunch is pretty demotivating and deliberating all day long is pretty boring. If we're set to lose let's not pussyfoot around it and just frigging do it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
For what it's worth I'll take full blame if this results in a Town loss.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Night 3 - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 11, 2012, 11:04:35 AM
And so the Afterlife War Front had decided that NekoNekoRex was the likeliest to be the murderer. They were grasping at straws now. "It wasn't me! It couldn't have been me!" As NekoNekoRex ran from the mob, fearing for his life, he happened to trip into a puddle. Due to his inability to swim, he then proceeded to drown in this puddle. "That's pretty sad... in more ways than one..." NekoNekoRex - Fujimaki, Delinquient(Vanilla Townie) was lynched D3. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Fujimaki.png)
It is now night 3. You have 24 hours to send in any night actions that you may or may not have. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120712T21&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Night Three - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 11, 2012, 04:35:33 PM
So peaceful While I sleep No last words Townies reap
This was fun best reasons had for my death It's almost sad
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 12, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
The AWF was now in a state of complete disarray. Whatever they were doing, it wasn't working. Their numbers continued to drop, and they were no closer to catching the ones behind it. They held an emergency meeting in which they continued to yell at each other. However, they noticed that Serela wasn't saying much. "Hey, what's wrong?" Serela then promptly fell over, dead. Serela - Ōyama, Jack of All Trades(Vanilla Townie) collapsed during N3. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Ooyama.jpg)
You have ~72 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120715T21&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 12, 2012, 11:16:19 AM
So if Huh What is Town and Affinity is ITP, Conq, ActionDan and BT must be Scum but then there's no way a lynch can occur because... Town has 2 votes, Scum has 3 votes and ITP has 1 vote. And it's still pseudo-LYLO(?) meaning even if we mislynch the game isn't necessarily over. :psyduck: Gonna need to re-read since I thought it was all gg scum due to mislynch but apparently not.
inb4lynchbardbecausequicklynched
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:23:36 AM
What happened should be obvious at this point, Bard. We should have lynched Affinity after all.
(Because he killed Scum Kilga and lied about it to weasel away from getting lynched)
Oh, and I'm not scum. This is beautiful.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:25:47 AM
And, uh, yeah, we really can't lynch Affinity now because it will result in x scum v x town this time.
It's 3 Town / 1 Affinity / 2 Scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:27:47 AM
Basically, scum are Dan and one other dude. Will go over Kilga ISO to figure it out because NONE of the other three dudes are likely scum at all. ^____^
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:28:40 AM
It'll be a miracle if we win at this point, because at 3v1v1 @N4 with SK kill and scum kill... yeah.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 12, 2012, 11:30:50 AM
Oh, right, Kilga could have been Scum. Doesn't make any goddamn sense we were in Pseudo-LYLO yesterday then, though. There is no way we could have lost the game if there were only 2 Scum remaining, unless there's another vigshot somewhere that wasn't used in the Night.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:32:21 AM
Or it was "pseudo-lylo" because in theory there could have been 3 scum.
Or Dormio's definition of pseudo-lylo is weird.
Either way, I can't see any other explanation.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 12, 2012, 11:36:35 AM
Actually even if there was, we'd be down to 2Scum/1ITP/2Town at worst, so... hell, even if there were two ITPs so it's like 2/Scum/2ITP/1Town we STILL shouldn't have lost. Unless there's Scum Kill + Vig Shot + ANOTHER MYSTERY KILL or two people dying at once. Then we'd be down to 4 players and with 2 or 3 Scum left we'd be lost.
So basically there's another kill that could've occurred and either a lover's pair or a third kill that could've occurred. No other way we could've lost yesterday.
Dormio clearly fuelling paranoia by claiming Pseudo-LYLO when the game's nowhere near LYLO. Or there's seriously an extra kill we haven't witnessed thus far.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:40:16 AM
IMO there's no such thing and it was paranoia. One scum is a RB, the other is ???, don't think townies claimed anything they're not.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 12, 2012, 11:40:39 AM
Speaking of, today's Pseudo-LYLO again.
2 Scum 1 ITP 2 Town
If we lynch Scum, Scum can kill someone, ITP can kill someone, we lose if ITP kills Town and Scum kills Town. If ITP kills Town and Scum kills ITP we lose to Scum, if ITP kills Scum and Scum kills Town we lose to ITP, if ITP kills Scum and Scum kills ITP (c-c-c-c-cross counter?) Town wins.
So even if we goddamn lynch Scum (assuming 2 Scum) we can only win if ITP kills Scum and Scum kills the ITP. Isn't this genuine MYLO?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 12, 2012, 11:41:26 AM
Oh, wait, six alive. 2/1/3. Yeah we should be able to pull off a win still. So long as we lynch Scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:42:41 AM
Would replace "should" with "can". 2 townies dying on N4 is still very possible.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 12, 2012, 11:46:04 AM
Oh. Oh, right. 2 Townies dying it's ITP VS SCUM VS TOWN, so ITP win or Scum win. Holy toledos.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 11:54:45 AM
Bard
Have you used your power last night
If not, why the hell
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 12, 2012, 02:52:37 PM
Well. I was going to wake up and make my case on Neko but then he got quickhammered overnight. Apparently I'm dumb and this is going to be the last game I play for a while because holy fuck. Three scum + SK seems more likely than two scum + SK because I don't think it would have been psuedo-LYLO yesterday otherwise? Need to do the numbers later.
Bard, why did you quickhammer? And yes, did you use your power?
actually quick-lynching is fine for scum at this point. scum win automatically.
Dan, explain why the fuck you would post this as town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 12, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
Anyway, I think there are 3 mafia, 1 SK, 2 town left. Whoever is the other townie out there (right now I'm thinking huhwhat) please don't do anything rash.
Today will probably end in lolnolynch because I think it'll be impossible to lynch mafia. But we can try.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 12, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
Or it was "pseudo-lylo" because in theory there could have been 3 scum.
Or Dormio's definition of pseudo-lylo is weird.
Either way, I can't see any other explanation.
This came up in the break game so I guess I'll say it again. Psuedo-LYLO and LYLO etc are not declared because of what the game state could be. It's what the game state is.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 03:13:16 PM
It's not 3 Maf because the game would have been called.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
Today will probably end in lolnolynch because I think it'll be impossible to lynch mafia. But we can try.
"Yes let's just do whatever because it's hopeless, defeatist attitude is best attitude."
You're only making my decision easier.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 12, 2012, 03:16:42 PM
Well, stuff like that is why I'm confused. Maybe it's because the mafia have to kill the SK first to achieve endgame? And why was it Pseudo-LYLO yesterday if there are only 2 maf? Affinity lying about being even night maybe, but then I thought Dormio clarified against that or something. I'll do the numbers later.
"Yes let's just do whatever because it's hopeless, defeatist attitude is best attitude."
You're only making my decision easier.
>_> Dude, I said we should try to lynch scum today. What the fuck?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 03:18:34 PM
Saying stuff like that along with "but we probably lost anyway" prompted that reaction.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 03:21:03 PM
Also, scum win is already assured, SK or not, if they're 3 and not 2.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 12, 2012, 03:21:37 PM
If we had lost already game would have been over. Right now I'm thinking town has to rely on SK shenanigans to win. I'm not too hopeful about lynching scum today but you can sure bet I'll be trying. If there are only 2 scum it's Bard/Dan.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 03:23:38 PM
Scum RB exists.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 12, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
I blame Dormio for this stupidity.
@Conq First quote was a joke in case scum quicklynched GG, and the 2nd you just answered yourself. I.e. --->
Anyway, I think there are 3 mafia, 1 SK, 2 town left. Whoever is the other townie out there (right now I'm thinking huhwhat) please don't do anything rash.
Today will probably end in lolnolynch because I think it'll be impossible to lynch mafia. But we can try.
3 mafia 1 SK was what I was thinking yesterday but this can't be right because it's autowin for scum today if it is. They no lynch then kill affinity or a townie for the win. It doesn't even matter if affinity gets a shot off and hits scum because they can no lynch the next day and shot the remaining townie/affinity whilst affinity doesn't get a shot making it 2scum/1SK. I was using this logic to prove there was a scum between Serela/BT.
there is at most 2 scum, because otherwise Dormio should call the game right now. Affinity needs to confirm Kilga's alignment + role. it's possible affinity is a scum tracker as tracker + roleblocker + goon is balanced against doc + cop at least.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 12, 2012, 03:29:11 PM
It doesn't even matter if affinity gets a shot off and hits scum because they can no lynch the next day and shot the remaining townie/affinity whilst affinity doesn't get a shot making it 2scum/1SK.
Yes, it doesn't matter because scum just RB Affinity anyway.
I was using this logic to prove there was a scum between Serela/BT.
You might want to elaborate on this one.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 12, 2012, 03:33:02 PM
right now, I consider HW most likely town and am debating between the rest. I think it's Conq/Bard. I will reread tonight.
cut. because scum didn't triple pile on you yesterday when Serela + affinity were voting you. It's obviously a moot point now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 12, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
also tentative case on Conq: he was wrong twice.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 12, 2012, 08:12:05 PM
i would like affinity to reconfirm that kilga is town before i re-read. since lynching scum benifits him too, there's no reason for him to lie at the moment
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 12, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
also, if kilga was scum, i'd assume town!bard because seriously: we'd be up against 3 scum (including a roleblocker) and an even-night sk. would dormio still find it reasonable to make the buffed neighbor be a trap for town?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 12, 2012, 09:14:15 PM
d3 being pseudo-lylo (?) most likely originates from 2 scum being alive and affinity actually being a fulltime sk who either hit the scum godfather or idled on night 1. a mislynch + two overnight town kills would've resulted in 2/2/1, making the game unwinnable for town if affinity has a bulletproof shot
even if i'm wrong i'd assume it was linked to affinity, since he's third party and has no real reason to tell us the truth unless it benefits him. probably not worth mulling over
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 12, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
also, if kilga was scum, i'd assume town!bard because seriously: we'd be up against 3 scum (including a roleblocker) and an even-night sk. would dormio still find it reasonable to make the buffed neighbor be a trap for town?
Not sure I understand what this is supposed to mean. Neighbourizer is a weak power overall and is alignment-irrelevant and I don't see why scum!kilga has anything to do with this anyway; how is hypo Bard!scum a trap for town?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 13, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
@Conq First quote was a joke in case scum quicklynched GG, and the 2nd you just answered yourself. I.e. --->
I can buy the first, but uh. If you're town, why do you expressly point out that it's fine for scum to quicklynch and autowin, and all that while you were voting Neko as scum? The only way for scum to autowin in that situation was if Neko was town, so yeah. Dan, are you scum? :(
3 mafia 1 SK was what I was thinking yesterday but this can't be right because it's autowin for scum today if it is.
Actually, only Affinity knows what his role actually is and I reckon he hasn't told the whole truth about it. I'll have ~*numbers*~ out later tonight though to see if I can wade through this.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 13, 2012, 02:21:54 AM
No idea what is happening here. I sort of agree with there being two scum, but uhhh. And yeah, Kilga was really a town tracker; a scum lynch yesterday would have been nice for me too.
Boy, this is the work of Kami-sama, or something.
Don't think I'm scum; wasn't almost everyone from Bard to Serela willing to lynch me yesterday? Furthermore, we have 1 scum roleblocker and Conversely, I will gladly lynch anyone, because seriously, all the lynched guys from D1-D3 did not have much of a serious competitor; Bard especially for that quickvote.
And yeah, BT is still the least interesting, going onto me on Bard's lead, edging into an NNR suspicion D3 without talking about him prior to that, and switching to that with an easy case. Without talking about anyone in D2 other than Shadoweh and huhwhat/Bard, actually. Really, his D2 is... so barren of stuff. Oh well.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 13, 2012, 02:44:15 AM
Not sure I understand what this is supposed to mean. Neighbourizer is a weak power overall and is alignment-irrelevant and I don't see why scum!kilga has anything to do with this anyway; how is hypo Bard!scum a trap for town?
scum kilga would mean town only had a cop/doc because there never was a tracker i personally see scum neighbors as pro-scum though i guess people might disagree
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 13, 2012, 03:22:57 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 13, 2012, 03:28:17 AM
i'm p sure affinity is lying SKum who knows a bunch of shit we don't and that this game is basically guaranteed to end in ~SK WIN~ even in the best case scenario but okay
if scum wants to win and we lynch the non-roleblocker today, they should throw us a bone by roleblocking affinity instead of killing so that we can lynch him. it'd increase their odds of winning too if he's bulletproof (which he probably is)
anyway postwritan
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 13, 2012, 04:16:25 AM
sooooo yeah i once again think the rawr/bard slot is probably town. scum!rawr coming out of nowhere with a mason claim that i could easily break off doesn't seem likely to me and rawr just generally didn't give a fuck about how i was reading him in the quicktopic. i've said this before!
also it turns out bard was postulating about neko being scum who needed a hammer in the neighbor quicktopic right before lynch and i never saw it because i was only f5ing rpg's index when i got back out of bed :X
right now i want to lynch bt the most, he's p much been riding on the coattails of other players for the past two days
on d2, his shadoweh case came out of nowhere after there was already a cop reveal and most of his debating with her was defense, not offense, which makes it more likely he was taking advantage of the situation. he never really explained his thoughts on shadoweh in detail until lamba prodded him for them
d3, he was being more of a wagon follower than a leader, what with the "sheeping to righteous bard town" posts. he set himself up with 3 easy potential wagon jumps and let the other players do the pushing for him. huge neko case only happened once the neko wagon was already happening, if he had that much dirt on neko it's hard to see why he didn't go after neko earlier in the day. dan / neko as buddies also felt like a strained assumption since dan's neko attacks happened at times where the odds of a d1 neko wagon taking off were totally reasonable. scum typically don't bus d1 unless they know their buddy will survive the day
i could see him as scum with pretty much any of the remaining suspects too - conq distancing isn't unreasonable since he dropped it after d1 and there was little chance of actually pulling the bt lynch off. dan strikes me as the most likely buddy though since bt tiptoed around voting or even providing a case on him all game despite apparently having strong conviction on dan being scum. like, he wants dan lynched today and still hasn't done that. also: the corollary to scum being able to roleblock affinity instead of killing tonight is that the roleblocker doesn't have much to lose from bussing today if they think they could win 3p lylo
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 13, 2012, 04:33:26 AM
also, bard's Miraculous Second Ability is null because seriously, why does scum!Bard claim a provable ability which would only look weird on account of rawr never telling me about it, then go out of his way to not even use it when he gets the chance? everybody's posted since the start of the day and nobody has claimed to have a quicktopic with him. scum claiming a provable ability would want to prove it for cred asap
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 13, 2012, 04:39:35 AM
there are like four people viewing this thread but nobody who's actually in the game is around. fuck you graveyard stop laughing at me :(
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 13, 2012, 04:50:47 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 13, 2012, 06:50:38 AM
:wat:
Let us assume that Affinity is telling the truth. Either the game started with 2 scum and a very strong town OR there are three scum right now and the game isn't being called for some reason. Both are unlikely. Very. Unlikely.
Conq, HW, maybe you haven't noticed, but my "case" on Dan all game was that he was never there, so making a case was bordering on impossible. Seriously, he lacked presence from the very beginning and up to now.
Also, no, sorry, I'm not scum. Riding on coattails is just plain wrong when I've always contributed to wagons, and saying that I was always on wagons due to scum motivation and not town motivation (you know, because I thought all of them were scum?) is just... why. In fact, I believe Conq is the one you're looking for with these accusations.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 13, 2012, 07:24:45 AM
Conq is Celes-san.
##Vote Conq
I could argue here, but I'm going to be V/LA over the weekend and your #1096 is blatantly taking my response to your original query out of context. Furthermore, the Conq I know doesn't lead mislynches on D2 + D3.
only problem with Bard is that not using his extra power is dumb for 2 reasons. 1) confirmable power (not really a big deal because he told us of his own violition) 2) So that if we imagine a team of Bard/??? it means we have to reckon in that Scum have double action.
Btw HW, where do you stand again in regards to me/BT/Conq?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 13, 2012, 11:10:08 AM
there are three scum right now and the game isn't being called for some reason. Both are unlikely. Very. Unlikely.
3 scum + SK + 2 VT doesn't necessarily result in endgame if the scum roleblocker is somehow limited or if the SK has some sort of commuter ability or something. I thought about some other stuff but I'm rushing this post out right now.
Conq, HW, maybe you haven't noticed, but my "case" on Dan all game was that he was never there, so making a case was bordering on impossible. Seriously, he lacked presence from the very beginning and up to now.
And yet you're confident enough to Dan!scum to assume he is scum and make buddy relationships from there. You never pushed a Dan wagon after your Day 1 vote, which was bollocks to begin with and in retrospect looks like a scumbuddy prod.
Also, no, sorry, I'm not scum. Riding on coattails is just plain wrong when I've always contributed to wagons, and saying that I was always on wagons due to scum motivation and not town motivation (you know, because I thought all of them were scum?) is just... why. In fact, I believe Conq is the one you're looking for with these accusations.
I could argue here, but I'm going to be V/LA over the weekend and your #1096 is blatantly taking my response to your original query out of context. Furthermore, the Conq I know doesn't lead mislynches on D2 + D3.
I am absolutely not taking your quote out of context. In context, it looks like you were calling for a scum-buddy to quickhammer; if anything I was too nice with the interpretation. Also, Burden of Proficiency is lulz when you look at my historical accuracy as town. The argument doesn't even match up.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 13, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
Bard's slot passed it's second prod btw, and the mod missed it, so he's counting down on his third. Bard get in here and give us your opinion on BT/Dan.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 13, 2012, 03:06:14 PM
If Affinity/huhwhat vote me while I am gone I will be very cross. -.-
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 13, 2012, 03:21:03 PM
And yet you're confident enough to Dan!scum to assume he is scum and make buddy relationships from there. You never pushed a Dan wagon after your Day 1 vote, which was bollocks to begin with and in retrospect looks like a scumbuddy prod.
You're saying that I should have pushed for a lynch, without a "case", that people weren't interested in. That would have been productive, definitely.
The reason I'm confident is that he's a scum read among 3 other town reads. It's disgusting that there are reasons for all three of you to be scum and yet there are reasons for me to stick to my town reads anyway. >.< HW is a pretty strong town read, though, and the only things I want to clear up regarding Bard is his claim. I was reluctant to read you as anything but town for the majority of the game (this will wait for postgame), but there's no avoiding the fact that you're the weakest town read.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 04:11:16 PM
Just got back from work, give me a moment to read.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 04:33:09 PM
No, I haven't. I could make some big game argument but I just idled through the night phase because I thought it was game over. I mean it was pseudo-lylo and we lynched Town, I honestly thought we'd get creamed.
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Bard, why did you quickhammer? And yes, did you use your power?
We were going in circles and I thought Neko was scummy enough to lynch.
Between BT/Dan I off-hand favour BT for being more memorable, Dan's presence requires reading back a lot. one thing I want him to answer is why Conq over HW since you postulated that there is Scum between HW/Neko/Conq but then vote Conq without explaining why he >>> HW. In fact earlier he postulated Affinity/BT/Bard then drops all mention of BT, Affinity and I in further scum bucket lists. Looks very much like trying to narrow down the list of who to lynch very quickly which is Scummy on LYLO since we should look at everyone except confirmed Town.
Personally also think badly of Conq now for yammering about me missing a "second prod" for my "slot", seems a good minded Townie wouldn't want the mod to modkill someone during friggin' LYLO/Pseudo-LYLO.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 13, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
No, I haven't. I could make some big game argument but I just idled through the night phase because I thought it was game over. I mean it was pseudo-lylo and we lynched Town, I honestly thought we'd get creamed.
. . .
Ok, different question.
Why did you claim your power when you did?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 13, 2012, 07:53:08 PM
Let me give you a push in the right direction, then.
You have a lovely, provable power. There exists a scum RB. It is your turn to claim, and before you a town that is seemingly vanilla. Also in the game is an unpredictable SK. What would be the most logical course of action?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 08:04:29 PM
You have a lovely, provable power. There exists a scum RB. It is your turn to claim, and before you a town that is seemingly vanilla. Also in the game is an unpredictable SK. What would be the most logical course of action?
You're gonna have to spoil the answer for me here because I don't think our logics agree.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 13, 2012, 08:07:11 PM
Claim your role, get roleblocked. Not claim your role, claim upon use, no drawbacks.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 13, 2012, 08:08:29 PM
Basically you were the only plausible town power for scum to target, and the only plausible target in general unless they were paranoid of Affinity having hidden powers. No reason to risk it to begin with.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
Basically you were the only plausible town power for scum to target, and the only plausible target in general unless they were paranoid of Affinity having hidden powers. No reason to risk it to begin with.
And, thus, therefore?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 13, 2012, 08:39:16 PM
Not a drag to believe that a sub-par let alone average let alone semi-experienced let alone experienced player (whatever you see yourself as) would think that through, You didn't. Casts doubt on the authenticity of your claim.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 09:10:53 PM
The entire point of fullclaim is that you fully claim your role, BT. I consider lying as Town to be something you do not do unless you have good cause, and preserving the OVERPOWERED ABILITY TO CREATE A QT did not at any point strike me as something worth lying for.
Unless Scum are immensely retarded they'd Roleblock Affinity anyway as it's another thing that could kill one of their own─you're proposing my claim is fake because I didn't claim Vanilla or power-less, is that it?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 09:34:14 PM
To explain why I find this direction you take to be rather Scummy: You are, in effect, proposing that my roleclaim is not authentic because I claimed my role instead of lying about it and fakeclaiming Vanilla.
So lying would be speaking truth, speaking truth is lying, Shadoweh isn't drunk and up is down?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 13, 2012, 11:04:41 PM
Personally also think badly of Conq now for yammering about me missing a "second prod" for my "slot", seems a good minded Townie wouldn't want the mod to modkill someone during friggin' LYLO/Pseudo-LYLO.
The activity was there for everyone to see, and I was calling you out on not posting for over 24 hours. Considering that if you are town, scum could have informed the mod of such privately, I considered what I did a public service. Yes, I'm a little pissed, because the top contenders for scum right now are basically the people who lurked all game. Lynch All Lurkers.
Thinking about 3 scum is making my head spin, so I'm going to assume this game started out with 2 mafia and 1 sk. 2 mafia 1 sk 5 town...still don't see how that makes psuedo-lylo...whatever probably weird night action stuff. If there are 3 scum we'll get to the last one if we make it there.
As much as it makes me want to vomit, I'm actually coming over of the potential idea of town!Bard given his hammer of Dormio in NotV, where he had professed a townread on Dormio and even fucking claimed masons with him.
But if you're seriously town here Bard, what the fuck. I'm never going to let you hear the end of this. About the only thing you said about Neko D3 is that you thought you liked him slightly better than BT, then you asked him a question, then you came out of nowhere and quickhammered him while quoting a post where you said lynch me now.
Did it not occur to you that people might have still had things to say before you quickhammered Neko? Seriously. :psyduck: Can you just walk me through why you thought Neko was scummy enough to quickhammer in LYLO?
P.S. BT the role thing is null; huhwhat is right when he says Bard never had to claim it - it's not like as scum he would have to fear a town rolecop or something.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 12:22:00 AM
Leaning towards lynching Dan right now for scum. Votes me in LYLO right before he goes V/LA for the weekend because I don't "lead mislynches on D2 + D3" or some shit like that. (cough path of radiance). There are plenty of reasons to think I'm scum (even though all the reasons are wrong) and I'm sure the graveyard is screaming at me as half the players there have been doing so all game, but...yeah. Dan, if you're town, make yourself useful and unvote.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 12:33:29 AM
Nvm, Neko is scum. Bolded is not a town thought process. mason claim should supersede sheeping a LLD unvote. Even after you unvoted HW, you did not support the idea that a vig shouldn't shoot the claimed masons. Instead you argued that mafia could shoot anyone. You obviously don't know what to think. Any town member would want to protect the claimed masons immediately. There is absolutely no WIFOM or anything else here.
Any townie at heart would not even THINK about 2 mafia members fakeclaiming D1 with only minor pressure.
Dan, could you explain this a little? I remember you once said the paranoia was the best asset of a healthy town mindset. Just want to know your thought process here.
I also want to know what you thought about Shadoweh on Day 2. Why did you think she sounded town? You sorta avoided the entire thing so it's hard to tell anything from that day.
Eh, Dan's first post of Day 3 is what made me think he was town (that plus I didn't think he was scum with Neko). But on reread it's all rolefluff and scum could easily write all that.
So that really does mean one of Serela/BT is scum.
A part of me wants to get a flip out of Neko and the other is reasoning that voting BT is a better path.
I'm going to pretend scum is bussing Neko and that it's all ok
Who was the scum bussing Neko in your opinion?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 12:36:35 AM
For Pesco: fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck Seriously this game right now feels like D1 even though I've at least a 50% chance to hit mafia via diceroll.
The reason I'm confident is that he's a scum read among 3 other town reads. It's disgusting that there are reasons for all three of you to be scum and yet there are reasons for me to stick to my town reads anyway. >.< HW is a pretty strong town read, though, and the only things I want to clear up regarding Bard is his claim. I was reluctant to read you as anything but town for the majority of the game (this will wait for postgame), but there's no avoiding the fact that you're the weakest town read.
I also want to know if you're assuming scum!Kilga with all this (although this question goes to everyone).
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 12:38:44 AM
also it turns out bard was postulating about neko being scum who needed a hammer in the neighbor quicktopic right before lynch and i never saw it because i was only f5ing rpg's index when i got back out of bed :X
Actually, I missed this. Could either of you paraphrase what Bard was saying about Neko in the QT before the hammer? Would be helpful.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 14, 2012, 01:34:29 AM
But if you're seriously town here Bard, what the fuck. I'm never going to let you hear the end of this.
:ohdear:
It occurred to me that everyone was agreed on Neko as Scum, I felt he was Scum, the Day was dragging with little much news being broken in. I figured we'd best just go forward instead of dawdle around. It's not fun, and Town doesn't always benefit from toeing around awkwardly.
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Could either of you paraphrase what Bard was saying about Neko in the QT before the hammer? Would be helpful.
Since I subbed in Neko pretty much did nothing. There was a bunch of stuff about him promising reads on D2 and never quite providing them much, and his cases have generally just been votes with GUT and not much substance or even attempts to get people to follow him. They felt like easy stances to take which is something Scum'd do, while trying to give his cases credence by continuously harassing Town to drop their votes around. The entire episode where he called for lynches on Dan and afterwards calls them jokeposts didn't sit well with me either.
That's it in a nutshell. I felt it was worthy above BT because BT provided cases and has been more forthcoming with actual reads and taking stances that weren't just continuously "gut of the moment" stances.
Just to be clear, are you suggesting Dan is Scum right now?
Affinity, were you roleblocked?
For me, unless NeighbourWhat is a trap, Scum falls between Conq, Dan and BT. My gut says Conq is the Scum, but there's no case I can write that actually substantiates/justifies the gut feeling and I cannot even convince myself overmuch that Conq is THE Scum, so it falls to BT/Dan.
Dan's D1 ends in a lot of Twitterposts which has me all AUGH, Day2 is mostly Twitterposting excepting a case(?) on BT concluding BT is Town. Feels reporterish. Day3 opener is :words: without any scum reads, voted Affinity the Day before then waffles on his read on Affinity, produces a case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12964.msg855265.html#msg855265) but it's reporter.
I obviously don't like voting Conq in Pseudo-LYLO with never a case on why Conq is scum beyond "wrong twice" and "GUT!!". Low effort imho.
BT called for early lynch on D2, which seems ScumEZ since it follows LSD's Gambit and for Scum it'd be beneficial if the Day ended with a Shadoweh quicklynch like nothing else. "Called for" maybe too strong, but "early lynch sounds fine"?? Not sure how Town such a sentiment is, leaning it's not at all. I agree Days don't need to drag on forever just to make sure everyone has exhausted everything, but do think D2 Shadoweh quicklynch premature. Feels like justification to stop thinking.
Of interesting note: Up to that point hasn't stated if thinks Shadoweh is Scum, LSD already revealed was roleblocked. Later votes Shadoweh with rage, think that is genuine though. Haughty confirmation bias attitude re: Shadoweh annoys but isn't actively Scummy I don't think. Still has that weird bit where he sheeps to me and states "pretty certain of Neko/Dan Scum now"; Feels like settling unless absolutely certain of Affinity Scum.
BT's taken stances throughout the game which makes me feel better about him, certainly better than NekoNeko and better than Dan too. Gonna reread HW first thing tomorrow. Generally want to lynch Affinity still but ITP lends him immunity. Just hope we can win despite his presence, not too optimistic about that. If 2 Scum, we lynch Scum, Affinity kills Town, Scum kills Town, we're down to 1v1v1 where Affinity can lynch Scum with us to probably win over us, or we lynch Affinity with Scum to lose to Scum. No real way to win the game there which makes this feel futile.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 01:50:49 AM
Yes, I think Dan is scum. If huhwhat confirms that you actually said stuff in the QT before hammering Neko, that alleviates the pain I'm feeling somewhat. Because secretly I've always wanted to trollhammer scum in LYLO while pretending I'm scum quickhammering.
I'm going to just read huhwhat as town because even if he's scum he's not getting lynched. Plus it makes me feel better.
I think Dan is scummier than BT so I'd vote there. Technically I think BT is scum too, but my scumread on Dan is stronger at this point. I'll write more stuff about it later. Suffice to say I don't buy the way he's pushing me as scum when compared to the way other people are. :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 14, 2012, 02:14:51 AM
BT, you appeared to be "riding coattails" because you spent most of the game not strongly pushing cases unless somebody else was already doing so. It's easy to fake scumhunting when other people are doing your work for you.
I would prefer a Dan lynch to a Conq lynch, because: a) Conq LYLO policy lynch looks contrived and like an easy way to take advantage of gut. Conq is a good player but his records aren't actually super "lead 2 scum lynches in a row" amazing. b) Sitting on his vote at the end of D3 while somewhat-apathetic makes me wonder if he knew Bard wouldn't post a scum quickhammer c) I think Dan makes the most sense as BT's buddy, and I'm pretty sure that's our team here
I don't actually have much on him individually though, would prefer BT lynch on that note since that read is much stronger. Meanwhile Conq's play hasn't really bugged me much since D1-D2.
When Bard was about to hammer Neko, he basically posted a bulletpoint case from what I assume was a re-read and then said something along the lines of "fuck it Neko is scum". I can paraphrase the case if necessary, or Bard can do it himself. I think it's null since if there's 2scum, he would have known the game wouldn't have ended. Made me think of NotV too.
I'm curious what lynches Affinity would support.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 03:22:54 AM
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I would prefer a Dan lynch to a Conq lynch, because: a) Conq LYLO policy lynch looks contrived and like an easy way to take advantage of gut. Conq is a good player but his records aren't actually super "lead 2 scum lynches in a row" amazing. b) Sitting on his vote at the end of D3 while somewhat-apathetic makes me wonder if he knew Bard wouldn't post a scum quickhammer c) I think Dan makes the most sense as BT's buddy, and I'm pretty sure that's our team here
a) He's good enough not to all-in 2 mislynches in a row while being confident that both would flip scum. It reminds me exactly of Shadoweh/UK in Graveyard. b) At that point I was willing to take a chance. I preempted a lol quickhammer by either Bard/Serela by joking about it. As far as apathy goes, it's my emotional defense when faced with the possibility of scum winning instantly after the last vote c) besides being wrong, there's no way you can be "pretty sure". I'm looking all possible teams and I can't be reasonably sure of eliminating any (least likely is you/Bard for early unprompted mason claim by Rawr). I'm still going on you being my best guess for town and thinking Conq is the most likely to be scum.
Also Hw if you want something contrived I can quote Conq so you can see what it looks like. In order:
Well. I was going to wake up and make my case on Neko but then he got quickhammered overnight. Apparently I'm dumb and this is going to be the last game I play for a while because holy fuck. Three scum + SK seems more likely than two scum + SK because I don't think it would have been psuedo-LYLO yesterday otherwise? Need to do the numbers later.
Bard, why did you quickhammer? And yes, did you use your power?
Dan, explain why the fuck you would post this as town.
If we had lost already game would have been over. Right now I'm thinking town has to rely on SK shenanigans to win. I'm not too hopeful about lynching scum today but you can sure bet I'll be trying. If there are only 2 scum it's Bard/Dan.
I can buy the first, but uh. If you're town, why do you expressly point out that it's fine for scum to quicklynch and autowin, and all that while you were voting Neko as scum? The only way for scum to autowin in that situation was if Neko was town, so yeah. Dan, are you scum? :(
And this is WAY out of context despite Conq's claims to the contrary. I'll go quote the relevant posts which are literally right on top of each other:
still think one of Serela/BT is scum from wagons. Not sure why Bard never used his extra neighborizing ability. He could be scum alone for that.
cut.
Cut by HW being a scum bastarddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
cut oh I thought you wanted to try some reaction thing.
@HW. I seriously don't know. I was leaning town on both BT/Serela by play. I keep forgetting that if Affinity is BP scum can't quick lynch. so I takeback one of BT/Serela mmust be scum
Dan, could you explain this a little? I remember you once said the paranoia was the best asset of a healthy town mindset. Just want to know your thought process here.
I also want to know what you thought about Shadoweh on Day 2. Why did you think she sounded town? You sorta avoided the entire thing so it's hard to tell anything from that day.
Eh, Dan's first post of Day 3 is what made me think he was town (that plus I didn't think he was scum with Neko). But on reread it's all rolefluff and scum could easily write all that. Who was the scum bussing Neko in your opinion?
Paranoia has it's limits, and paranoia D1 about Mason claims is simply unheard of to me and was just not my first reaction. It was ---> "o shit, they're (HW's) going to die". It's simply unimaginable for me to first think, "but just because they claimed doesn't make them confirmed, but I guess they aren't scummy enough to continue voting"
I was prepared to vote Shadoweh D2 for her Late D1 Omba vote, but D2 she started to sound town by a combination of SUPER EMOTION + keeping up with all the wall posts, and they didn't sound like fluff, they looked to be concrete opinions.
I was thinking that the you and BT could easily have been bussing. You were super confident on Neko in the same way HW was D3 on Serela in Midnight Crew Mafia and BT came in with a late vote.
##Unvote for now
some posts D2 are catching my eye.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 14, 2012, 05:01:41 AM
@Bard: No I wasn't.
@HW: I support BT's lynch, as with yesterday; his defence doesn't convince me at all. As I said, he's the least interesting in his stances which seem to go with the flow. Bard is a cool lynch too, though not one I would care enough to elaborate past his quicklynch shens. Agree that Dan makes most sense as his buddy, but I liked his original content in the past days good enough not to want to lynch him today. Conq's D3 and D4 stances have also felt much better as well, at first glance, and if HW is scum, he deserves to win.
But it's rather relaxing to be confirmed third-party for once, so yeah.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Two
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 05:02:12 AM
Agreeably terrible terrible play to claim masons just because you two read each other as town. Would quite literally share the above sentiments but unfortunately I agree with those reads.
Actually this posts reads as BT really not knowing HW/Bard weren't masons => BT isn't scum together with either of them.
Also. Bard and HW, can you claim your Rolenames again + name of your QT? And Bard you had the power to form another QT with someone every night correct?
@MOD:
Can town conceivably lose the game following a No-Lynch today? Is it conceivable that town will lose if a town is mis-lynched today? Does the title: "Pseudo-Lylo(?)" convey any information to town at all, and if so does it pertain to Kilga's flip in anyway? Is the town in either Pseudo-Mylo, Pseudo-Lylo, Mylo, or Lylo, and if so which?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 05:30:01 AM
Affinity, are you absolutely telling the truth that Kilga was a town tracker as well as you being even-night SK. Please realize that it's absolutely in your best interests to lynch scum today.
wait. I've been thinking.
We could do the following. No lynch today. let scum kill either Affinity or a townie while Affinity no shoots. If affinity dies, we're better off then we are now (no offensive affinity). If a townie dies, we go into 2/1/2 with less suspects where we still have to lynch scum. If the case we do, it's 2/1/1 going into night and neither affinity nor scum can shoot because affinity could be lying about being Even-night and if Affinity shoots scum town endgames him, leaving 2/1/1 from here town lynches one of it's own going for 1/1/1 in the night. Only problem is that I wonder if scum is able to kill affinity by then. If we hit lynch scum today, affinity isn't going to shoot and scum will kill a townie, leaving 2/1/1 anyway which is pretty much equivalent to the other scenario .
Remember a mislynch today = scum win. Bonus, if we no lynch today, scum might try to kill affinity just to test his BP (actually I think this is the best play from them).
I... might vote no lynch today. no joke.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 14, 2012, 05:49:31 AM
Can town conceivably lose the game following a No-Lynch today? Is it conceivable that town will lose if a town is mis-lynched today? Does the title: "Pseudo-Lylo(?)" convey any information to town at all, and if so does it pertain to Kilga's flip in anyway? Is the town in either Pseudo-Mylo, Pseudo-Lylo, Mylo, or Lylo, and if so which?
Maybe. Maybe. Maybe, and perhaps. Town is in Pseudo-Lylo(?).
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 05:55:59 AM
change of answers between D3 and D4 means that it actually means something at least.
Okay V/LA officially.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 07:38:50 AM
a) He's good enough not to all-in 2 mislynches in a row while being confident that both would flip scum. It reminds me exactly of Shadoweh/UK in Graveyard.
>_> Ignoring the fact that I have, in fact, done this before as town, this is a stupid argument because I was town and I was wrong. If you say I'm scum for the way I went about it, give it a go, but saying I'm scum because I was wrong twice while thoroughly convinced I was right is just rubbing salt into my wound, thank you very much. (Also the case on Youmu was not "being wrong;" it was the way she pushed her lynches and picked on the most irrelevant of scumtells while defending her buddy Reg Shoe. Mafia is not arithmetic; it's more elegant, like a math proof.)
What you call "token questioning" is in fact how I probe people for motivations and clarifications. Otherwise I could just say "oh so and so is obvscum because I say so" and not bother to get their side of the story, neh?
Neither did Conq as of the post right above this one. it's a double standard that makes me again think of it being a token question.
I hadn't given any reasons yet because just the previous day I was thinking Neko!scum-->Dan!town you derp (and ftr that statement was made on the assumption that your little dance at the end of D3 was a coordinated quickhammer). BT, on the other hand, has been talking about Dan!scum for days, and he even made his Neko!scum case with the assumption that Dan was scum. Double standard, huehuehue. :V
And this is WAY out of context despite Conq's claims to the contrary. I'll go quote the relevant posts which are literally right on top of each other:
Where does "Quickhammer NekoNeko for the win guys" come into this in shape or form?
Actually, I've decided there are two scum right now, not three. So the quickhammering accusation is my bad, although I still think it's shady as fuck (I don't buy "X and X are confirmed scum" logic because a 3-person quickhammer is hard to organize). I apologize for the confusion.
Let's take the "quickhammering" accusation in another direction. Why did you vote Neko when you did when you thought of Bard as potential scum? Also, who did you think he was scum with; just curious?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 07:40:00 AM
Scrap the very last question; saw that Dan answered it in his latest post. -.-
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 14, 2012, 07:41:42 AM
Not voting: Conqueror, huh what, Affinity, Bardiche, BT
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
You have ~27 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120715T21&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 07:42:11 AM
Actually, what I do want to know is this. Dan, what do you think of BT? He's been calling you scum for days and yet your suspicions today were something like me/Bard? You haven't really said much about him.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 07:45:47 AM
Considering the roulette wheel that is night actions, all of which are currently controlled by anti-town forces, I think we should try for a lynch before we go for the no-lynch option. Like I said: at least 50% of hitting mafia for any one person.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 07:49:54 AM
EBWOP: *50% chance. *Considering that he's been calling you scum for days and yet you haven't really said much about him (you suspicions today were something like me/Bard?), I'd be curious to hear what you think about him. Proof that I should copy-edit before I hit post.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 07:56:06 AM
Let's take the "quickhammering" accusation in another direction. Why did you vote Neko when you did when you thought of Bard as potential scum? Also, who did you think he was scum with; just curious?
Clarifying. It's LYLO. You think there are three scum so you obviously want to get it right. Your latest opinion before the Affinity SK claim was this:
Also I believe we *should* lynch between BT Affinity. Ofc maybe Conq will dazzle the crowds with some Bard case. Also massclaim. kthx
So why did you want to vote Neko afterwards with what looks like a carefree attitude when you hadn't really mentioned voting him before? It doesn't look like you actually took the effort to distinguish within the Conq/Neko/HW triangle and just piled onto Neko because he had the votes on him.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 14, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
I am indeed telling the truth that Kilga is a town tracker.
No lynch is a pussy option. >_>
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 14, 2012, 02:54:25 PM
rolename: Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Neighbour) quicktopic name: The Principal's Office
dan, what's token about conq's "token questioning"? that sounds like a buzzword. if asking for elaboration means you're scum trying to sound like town asking for elaboration then i'm confirmed scum as of this post i guess
also how does that BT post you cited imply he didn't know we were neighbors? like, how could scum not fake that reaction incredibly easily, or even prepare to make it if they knew of the mason fakeclaim ahead of time? i don't think bard is scum but that strand of logic seems forced to me
agree with conq that i don't want to leave the outcome of the game up to anti-town night actions. keep in mind that yesterday was pseudo-lylo(?) when it probably shouldn't have been, meaning that there might even be a possibility for extra townie deaths which we're not even aware of (like, surprise beloved princess or something). only useful purpose i see in a NL is proving bard's role but he's probably town anyway
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 14, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
To explain why I find this direction you take to be rather Scummy: You are, in effect, proposing that my roleclaim is not authentic because I claimed my role instead of lying about it and fakeclaiming Vanilla.
So lying would be speaking truth, speaking truth is lying, Shadoweh isn't drunk and up is down?
That is scummy how? Roles affect how you play. You take your power into account in everything game-related you do when you have one. You didn't seem to act like someone that has a power and this explanation doesn't change my mind about that.
As it is, I don't want Conq lynched. The above along with Dan's Conq vote (following by a withdrawal) makes me doubt that lynch enough to not-go-there.
Speaking of which, Dan's withdrawal should be cementing his lynch if anyone had any doubts. "Conq is scum --> No Lynch is the best option" is what I'm referring to. Scum lynch is better than No Lynch, but that's besides the point. The majority thinks you're scum, stalling for a day won't change that because HW's very very likely NK won't change anyone's reads. If you're town you don't call no lynch, you change people's minds so that town won't lose via lynching you (worst case: via lynching you during the next day anyway).
##Vote ActionDan
Less than 12 hours woop woop
cut cut
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 14, 2012, 02:57:20 PM
Or not, because I forgot deadline was moved.
If people think it's too early then w/e,
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 14, 2012, 03:44:52 PM
Noise is poise with a porpoise.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 07:20:46 PM
@Conq
Re: BT --> I've thought of him as likely town since I reread him D2. Specifically his late D1 + his convo with Shadoweh didn't read that bad. He was not a submissive wimp. His consistant tune of calling me a scum read seemed to develop mainly from my lack of presence, but It really does not read as an unnatural conclusion.
Re: Neko and other stuff. I wanted to lynch between Affinity BT because I was strongly assuming that with 3 scum 1 SK, the neighbors had a great chance of being town. so out of BT Affinity Bard, I was thinking Bard had the best chance of being town. Also I wanted to lynch Affinity. As for why I joined the Neko wagon, I thought that if you were Scum conq, your vote looked like a bus, and that a BT/HW/(Bard, Serela) was really unlikely. As to why I didn't vote one of BT/Serela, it's because both were town reads and I was uncomfortabe voting between them (though I would have voted BT if any).
But you are right, I really didn't care about Neko. I DID say I'd vote him as a 2nd choice after Affinity if you remember, but I didn't bother to do any serious rereading. I thought he sucked D2, sucked most of D1 besides later in the day, and his D3 was meh. I made the same more or less gut choice whoever was town with me on that wagon did.
Anyway those are MUCH better and understandable questions. The ones you asked before were banal. You made me flip my shit.
Something else: I have decided that with only 2 scum, the first major attack by Conq on BT is just something they as scum together wouldn't do. I know as much for being scum with conq in F11. it was a major attack and made BT into a target and it had the chance to take off. It would be way too risky.
So I don't think BT/Conq are scum together.
g2g now I have more to say later.
Well @HW: those early questions imo sucked ass.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
@BT:
why is no lynching worse than lynching scum or either losing instantly on a mislynch? yea that sounds silly, but elaborate. Also I realized that lynching scum today means Affinity get's a likely janitor shot tomorrow WHICH FUCKS US UP. because Affinity will obviously say he shot a townie and town can't lynch him.
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no lynch is a pussy option
Ya, well, my lynch is an automatic loss, and I'm thinking BT's is as well.
As for Conq, if my other post didn't say explictly, he's way better now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 14, 2012, 08:23:46 PM
Well at this point Affinity is being a >_< and a I don't see No Lynch raising our chances at all, only lowering them. I mean, for us to make use of NL, Affinity has to shoot scum (fun fact: he thinks I'm scum, so even if he wants to shoot scum he'll be shooting town :V) and scum have to act like they don't have a wincon. Like, seriously.
I swear to God if Affinity is scum playing Let's Find the Craziest Gambit I will extend that planned break of mine.
Are Bard and HW scum together, then, Dan?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 14, 2012, 08:28:39 PM
By the way, I'm still thinking 3 scum, if it's relevant to anything ever anymore. Game starting with 2 scum sounds completely asinine.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 14, 2012, 08:31:51 PM
Urgh, whatever.
##Vote: BT
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 08:36:01 PM
This game makes no sense. BT, are you assuming Kilga scum then or what?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 14, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
Yes. Like, I seriously can't see it otherwise, and if Kilga actually is town then it's game because 2 scum makes less sense to me than the game not being called at this point.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 14, 2012, 09:32:46 PM
Affinity wants to lynch scum today to win, though. There's no reason for him to hide a flip that would allow town to scumhunt more effectively.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 14, 2012, 09:33:47 PM
Conq, are you still leaning Dan lynch?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 14, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
You have ~12 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120715T21&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 11:06:59 PM
Btw, you guys could not have name claimed scummier names, as all of you are the top 5/5 main characters from the anime
page 31 makes me think Conq + Bard are not scum together, could be a bus, but not feeling it.
Anyway I have a theory that Hw and Bard are, in fact, the remaining scum.
First, I think Rawr would have used that ability N1. he trolled Hw as claimed D1 so why would Rawr not not use his power N1 expressly to troll with another person.
Second, The kills N1 was an obvious signal that scum were going after PRs. But why kill Pesco over LLD
g2g more later.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 11:09:01 PM
instead of killing the vocal player and roleblocking the no content lurker. Doc was lynched. people would have stil died.
=> LLD was wrong => Conq likely town.
3rd. I posit
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Bardiche on July 14, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
With 12 hours left and I'm about to go to bed, I guess I'll make my vote. Nothing Dan's done beside my last post to really change my mind. Latest posts seems to say "Rawr is Scum" instead of focusing on current gamestate which doesn't involve Rawr. I can't refute any arguments re: Rawr because I'm not Rawr.
##Vote: ActionDan as detailed here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2014), I'm p. sure he's Scum. HW comes up clean on reread other than that I hate "lol I claim Scum" because it's goddamn annoying and I instinctively want to lynch anyone who claims Scum.
Interesting point re: names: Hinata and Yuri are BFFs in the anime and neighbours in the game. Obviously Kanade and Otonashi are (implied) lovers in the anime so real ones in the game. Is there a Kanade in the game? IIRC Affinity is Otonashi, too lazy to look back for a Kanade. Affinity do you have a lover pair? :derp:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 14, 2012, 11:24:48 PM
Uh, LLD's play didn't really imply power role at all, especially after the gov fake. I would assume the roleblock was randed or something.
If they actually did think she was a power role then I don't have a solid idea for why they'd leave her alive over Pesco, but the obvious assumption would be that her reads were wrong. Of course that makes me look bad given who Pesco was voting but I seriously don't know what scum were thinking when they shot him so what am I supposed to say?
Bard cut: Pretty sure Conq claimed Kanade. Giving the Serial Killer a lover would be ridiculously uncool though (though to whom it would be uncool depends on the lover's alignment).
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 14, 2012, 11:27:51 PM
Also ##Vote: BT
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 15, 2012, 12:00:42 AM
Votecount
Conqueror (0): huh what (0): ActionDan (2): BT, Bardiche Affinity (0): Bardiche (0): BT (2): Affinity, huh what
Not voting: Conqueror, huh what, Bardiche
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
ActionDan is at L-2.
BT is at L-2.
You have ~11 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120715T21&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 01:01:36 AM
Quickposting. Changed my mind; want BT lynch over Dan, what with his vote on Dan attacking his "no lynch" stance of all things. Dan at least has been putting out more analysis today too, although much of it isn't very useful (seriously I already know I'm not scum with anyone -.-). Think both of them are scum though; Dan's read of BT being town because of D2 reads like his defense of me when we were scum together.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 01:02:19 AM
Also, yes, I am Tenshi. Best girl. But no, I'm not a lover.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:04:04 AM
ok I can be here for like 30 min.
I was cut off before.
The ending of that sentence was going to be, "I would posit Bard said that mainly to differentiate between him and HW in case one flipped later on"
I am going to look at recent vote counts to see if I can eliminate possibilities definitively.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:07:14 AM
Ok conq/HW NOT mafia together. that was the scariest pair.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:11:12 AM
I can't be sure it's not Conq/Bard because Bard went to sleep.
Also Dormio your vote count HAS MANY FLAWS
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:19:03 AM
If BT is here I want to know who he thinks is scum with me. From his perspective it can't be me/Conq.
Right now I want to vote Bard. I will be on around 2 hours until deadline, so I'll I'm going to wait a bit to see if I can confirm to see if it can't be certain pairs involving Bard (which would involve Bard not quick voting).
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:19:31 AM
Dan, I'm going to vote BT because he's probably scum.
huhwhat/Bard is not the scumteam. The mason claim doesn't really make sense as a scum gambit. Okay, maybe it does, but I read huhwhat as strongly town. If there is one scum from that pair, it's Bard.
Why do you have a strong town read on BT for the most nebulous of reasons? Open your eyes. Why are you clearing him for D2 Shadoweh shenanigans? The rest of his play has been lackluster. FFS look at his vote on you.
##Vote BT
This game. I'm waffling but I think this is the right lynch for today.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:20:07 AM
Dan, put it this way. If Bard is scum, who is scum with him? Bard isn't getting lynched today. There's no support for it and there's no time as well.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:21:18 AM
Hi confirming not hammering. Not sure what that means for the rest of you
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:28:16 AM
Actually that should mean that either BT/me are scum together or I'm town. That's a plus.
@Conq, ya I know his vote on me for the no-lynch looks like weak-sauce. I know. But he's been on my case the whole game and throwing the kichen sink at me is not beyond reason. I'm still trying to crack pairs outside of BT being scum based on the evidence in thread.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:32:59 AM
I think Bard/HW is still possible, although with 3 votes on BT I guess by this point if that were the case, Bard by rights can simply hammer. Which makes it inevitable that I might as well vote BT anyway.
Maybe one of you could unvote? I dunno. I'm gonna do a quick skim to see if I spot anything.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:34:06 AM
Man this deadline is balls. Well uh realize that starting a last minute wagon on someone like Bard for instance is tacit approval for a no-lynch. Which is a bad idea unless you want to put our fate in the hands of mafia + SK. Just a thought. Cut - Pretty sure it's not Bard/huhwhat. I could be wrong given my track record this game but if it is well then welp.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 04:34:29 AM
##Unvote pointless since bard is probably in bed, but yeah, okay
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:36:41 AM
Testing HW.
##Vote BT
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:38:23 AM
Please Hw post a non-vote to confirm that every time I called you a townie Shadoweh didn't shed a tear
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:40:41 AM
If huhwhat is scum I will murder all future fake mason claims. Just FYI.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:41:04 AM
actually it doesn't confirm you as town, but I think it confirms BT as scum, I think.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:41:33 AM
Also I'm a secret governer. can totally stop BT's lynch if I choose.
Okay so that means you aren't.
##Vote: BT
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 04:46:46 AM
that was a town quickhammer btw
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 04:47:31 AM
Also I wanted to leave LLD alive and have her scan Bard town but then it'd look weird that I didn't roleblock her again ;_;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 04:48:57 AM
Fuck no posts means that Dan is actually a governor isn't he.
If that's the case I will be so pissed.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:49:16 AM
You bastard. You fucking bastard. FFFFFFFFF
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:50:43 AM
Now I'm just confused. I ALWAYS KNEW YURI WAS UP TO NO GOOD THOUGH DAMN HARUHI RIPOFF
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 04:52:52 AM
it's okay i'm sure Affinity is a strong-willed strongman who can shoot twice in one night, that's why there was pseudo-lylo(?) on day 3
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:53:58 AM
ya. so.
T_T.
I was about to unvote and then vote HW for that message asking for a governer.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:54:08 AM
Fucking masons. So Bard's quickhammer was crap and your sekret QT case was all a lieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 04:54:46 AM
dan if i actually was worried about you being a gov i would've made a normal post and asked that in the scum quicktopic
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:55:41 AM
yaaaaaaaaaaaa
at least finally I got the right answer at the end... kinda T_T.
cut- ya. that's what held me back you could have pmed dormio privately
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:57:10 AM
lso the other stuff about kilgaa saying Bard was scummy going after HW before he checked his status was scummy. I caught that when I reread. I just didn't say it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 04:57:29 AM
We had a quicktopic, we were just scum.
Bard's extra power was a real thing too. Not sure why it was in the set-up since we'd have to forego our roleblock or kill but maybe Dormio wanted us to try to joint with the SK? <_<
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 04:58:24 AM
So Bard was pissed to be replacing into what he thought was a mason slot only to be confirmed scum. :V So you were roleblocker and Bard was godfather. Lemme guess; Kilga was rolecop?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:58:40 AM
so you really had no thrid?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 05:00:03 AM
inb4 huhwhat is trolling
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 05:00:34 AM
(http://s19.postimage.org/m9ybnkt1v/068_celes_1_1.png) Well, paparazzi are scum regardless. I guess I'll just go to sleep and await our lovely flip. At least the reactions confirm Dan as town if BT is actually scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 05:05:02 AM
in the event BT is actually scum and Hw is dicking around with us I have absolutely no doubt Conq is town, not that I had too many doubts but woooooo.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Affinity on July 15, 2012, 05:06:01 AM
:<
There's always the next life I guess.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 05:06:50 AM
well g2g now.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 05:13:14 AM
Theory: huhwhat/rawrmurdered Pesco N1 because they thought he was a scum traitor trying to signal to them. Makes a lot of sense actually. Okay welp.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 05:26:42 AM
we shot pesco because his d1 play was excellent. he voted scum the entire day then kept pushing after the obvious fakeclaim, and garnered next to no interest in lynching him from the town
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 05:30:31 AM
-.- Stop it you'll only encourage him to troll again next game. It's one thing to vote scum; it's another to convince others you're voting scum.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 05:32:16 AM
the real reason is that i thought it would be funny
i'm not sure why people were saying i deserved to win this game if i ended up being scum
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 05:34:14 AM
It's because the town collectively failed and I guess the scum did what they had to do. Gutsy move with the claim btw; I never expected you'd do something like that. Have to keep it in mind for the future. You won't get away with it next time!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Day Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 05:35:28 AM
Seriously claiming scum and your scumbuddy in thread = what. goddammit huhwhat
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Night Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 15, 2012, 05:37:25 AM
Votecount
Conqueror (0): huh what (0): ActionDan (2): BT, Bardiche Affinity (0): Bardiche (0): BT (4): Affinity, Conqueror, ActionDan, huh what
Not voting: Nobody
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
"This is all a misunderstanding! I would never do something like this with Otonashi around!" "Does that mean that you would do it if he weren't?" "No! You're wrong!" However, the Afterlife War Front had heard enough. The Afterlife War Front converged on BT, desperately praying that he was the one behind these murders. Unfortunately, he was not. BT - Ayato Naoi, Student Council President(Vanilla Townie) was brutally mobbed D4. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Naoi.png)
It is now Night 4, you have 24 hours to send in any night actions that you may or may not have. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120716T1530&p0=240)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Night Four - Pseudo-LYLO(?)
Post by: BT on July 15, 2012, 05:58:18 AM
I forgot to warn you about funny people with hammers overnight.
Too late. :ohdear:
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 15, 2012, 11:15:04 AM
With four members remaining, the Afterlife War Front held its final meeting. Wait... Four? ActionDan - Noda, Idiot(Vanilla Townie) failed to defeat the final boss. (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Noda.png)
And so the four remaining members looked at each other. huh what, playing Yuri Nakamura, began to laugh with his friend Bardiche, playing Hideki Hinata. "Sorry, new guy, but we're going to have to have you get away from Tenshi." Affinity, playing Yuzuru Otonashi, fervently shook his head as he stood in front of his lover Conqueror, playing Kanade Tachibana, with his arms outstretched. "Not going to move? Well, I should have known that you wouldn't." With the press of the button, several loud explosions could be heard, and Yurippe's laughter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aduSGRn_sG0) as she walked away with Bardiche would haunt the minds of Conqueror and Affinity for the remainder of their short lives.
huh what - Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Action Immune Godmother) won the game on D5. Bardiche - Hideki Hinata, Co-founder of the Afterlife War Front(Jack of All Trades) won the game on D5. Affinity - Yuzuru Otonashi, the Main Character(Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lover) was endgamed. Conqueror - Kanade Tachibana, Ex-Student Council President(Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lover) was endgamed.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 15, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
Welcome, Lady Lambdadelta, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Takeyama, Hacker Genius(Cop). Getting recruited into the Afterlife War Front didn't really change much for you. You still continue to spend most of your time in front of a computer, tapping away at the keys and making the systems dance to your tune. Unfortunately, despite your constant assertions to be called "Christ", everyone seems to ignore your cool handle. This doesn't change the fact that you've formed a sense of comradarie with these people, and you're going to get to the bottom of this incident for their benefit as well as yours.
To help you discover the truth behind this latest incident, you have the following abilities as well as your words and vote:
Data Collection: Every night you may investigate a player of your choice by sending a message to the moderator. You will be informed of whether or not your target is a threat to town.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, Kilgamayan, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Shiina, Kunoichi(Tracker). Regarded once by Noda as the "Final Boss" of this world, to this day nobody really knows all that much about you. With superior strength, reflexes, and concentration, you are among the Afterlife War Front's most valued members, even if you shroud yourself in mystery and contribute little more than "How foolish" to discussions. Your only flaw lies in your weakness of all things cute. Stuffed animals being a prime offender. This new emergency may be your best chance to conquer this weakness, once and for all.
Your physical prowess allows you to use the following abilities in conjunction with your (rarely used) words and vote:
Silent Stalking: Every night, you may stalk a player by sending a message to the moderator. You will be informed on whether or not your target performed an action, and who they targeted if they did do something.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, Omba, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Takamatsu, Honor Student(Doctor). Prior to Takeyama joining the Afterlife War Front, you were the only one to be wearing glasses. This, by itself, caused you to be in charge of collecting information for the group despite Yurippe's warnings that you were actually an idiot. An unfortunate side effect of this role was that you were never able to utilize the many muscles you had developed with your secret training. That's all changed though, since Takeyama has taken over your previous role, you can use your muscles to your hearts content on the frontlines during this latest incident.
Your well toned body has granted you the following abilities in addition to your (mostly ignored) words and vote:
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Biceps: Every night you may choose to smother a player with your rock hard abs by sending a message to the moderator, preventing anything from harming them for the night.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, ActionDan, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Noda, Idiot(Vanilla Townie). Loyal towards your leader, Yurippe, to a fault, you are one of the Afterlife War Front's primary combat members. Your affection towards Yurippe causes you to carry around a picture of her at all times, as well as starting fights whenever anyone questions her authority. Although you're highly skilled with your halberd, you're useless when it comes to anything involving academia. Recently, though, something strange has been going on in the afterlife. And you're going to get to the bottom of it.
You're far too stupid to carry any special abilities other than your words and your vote. Maybe if you would actually hit the books, you'd have something else to help you.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, NekoNekoRex, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Fujimaki, Delinquient(Vanilla Townie). You are (or at least believe yourself to be) a pretty important member of the Afterlife War Front. Despite your demeanour, you're quite a reliable guy and you're quite willing to sacrifice yourself for the greater good if need be, though you'd like to avoid this if at all possible. Your inability to swim won't stop you this time, there's nothing for you to drown in. You're going to prove your worth and show that you're worth remembering to the others once and for all by being the one to figure out the truth behind this latest incident.
You have no special abilities, other than your words and your vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, Shadoweh, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Yui, GirlDeMo Vocalist(Vanilla Townie). As Mayumi Iwasawa's replacement, you've been accepted into the band you idolized. This doesn't mean that you can slack off, though. Quite the opposite. You're going to live up to the band's name and reputation by going above and beyond the call of duty. In other words, you're butting in where you aren't needed. Still, there's a murder mystery going on here, and you're going to be the detective! You saw it on TV once!
Other than your extremely annoying words and your vote, you have no special abilities.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, Serela, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Ōyama, Jack of All Trades(Vanilla Townie). You've been hanging around the afterlife for a while, being one of the first people to join the Afterlife War Front and all. Your distinguishing trait? It's that you have no distinguishing traits whatsoever. You're so ordinary that, at first, you were mistaken as one of the many NPCs that wander around purgatory. Still, something strange has happened, and you're going to do what you can to help sort it out.
Unfortunately, due to how ordinary you are, you have no special abilities other than your words and your vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, Pesco, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are TK, Rapper(Vanilla Townie). Get chance and luck. You'll be needing it. Nobody in the Afterlife War Front really knows who you are or why you ended up in purgatory, but it doesn't really matter. You're pretty reliable when it comes to it after all. You're fairly talented in most fields, especially dancing, but your habit of speaking only in fragmented english phrases tends to make others ignore you for the most part. Okay... don't be afraid. An incident has occurred, and you're going to see what you can do to make sure that it's resolved. Come on Come on Come on Come on Come on! Knockin' on heaven's door.
You have no special abilities, other than your (highly confusing) words and your vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, BT, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Ayato Naoi, Student Council President(Vanilla Townie). Ever since Otonashi taught you that hypnotism wasn't the way to go about enlightening people, you've joined the Afterlife War Front to help him out when he needs it. Good thing you did, too, since the lot of them are absolutely helpless, except for Otonashi of course, and it doesn't look like they'll get anything done without your help. And it looks like these idiots, idiots referring to everyone but Otonashi of course, have managed to find themselves in quite a large mess yet again. Well, as "God", you suppose that you could offer your services to help them figure out what's going on.
Without your hypnotism, you have no special abilities other than your words and your vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck in your endeavors.
--SCUM--
huh what (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Yuri.png)
Welcome, huh what, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Action Immune Godmother). You've been in purgatory for the longest time, waging war against the God that would be dare to be so cruel. To facilitate this battle, you formed the Afterlife War Front with Hinata and rallied up members to join the cause. But, ever since that new guy Otonashi appeared, your flock has lost its way. They've befriended Tenshi, the servant of God, and have forgotten about what it means to dedicate yourself to fighting God. Yusa once called you the "perfect villain". Now seems like a good time to play the part. You've decided to team up with Hinata to teach everyone a lesson.
You have the following abilties to help you achieve your goals:
Tyranny: Nobody dares to challenge your iron grip on the afterlife's hierarchy. As a result, all investigative actions on you will return false-positives and all other actions performed against you will fail.
Leadership: As the leader of the Afterlife War Front, everybody reports back to you. Keep your radio handy. You never know what information you might pick up.
Afterlife War Front: As a high ranking member of the Afterlife War Front, you may speak with your colleagues here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/3yEwmEhFyeFLz). Every night, you or your colleague may target one person to kill by messaging the mod.
You are a threat to town. You win when you have eliminated all threats to your faction, or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck in your endeavors.
MODNOTE: Leadership would cause Yusa to give Yurippe the details on whoever got janitored, if such an event occurred.
Welcome, DrRawr, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Hideki Hinata, Co-founder of the Afterlife War Front(Jack of All Trades). You've been in the afterlife for quite a long time and, unfortunately, you've decided to follow Yurippe no matter what. Yurippe's latest plans seems to involve re-educating everyone through the liberal application of violence. You get the feeling that Yurippe may be taking things a bit far, since Tenshi actually seems like a pretty nice person, but it's not like "death" really matters in the afterlife. Besides, as long as you're not the one on the receiving end of the violence for once, you're fine with this.
You have the following abilties to help you survive this ordeal:
Friendly: Your cheerful and happy-go-lucky attitude puts you on good terms with everyone in the afterlife. During the night, provided you are not using any of your other abilties, you may target a player to open up a channel of private communication between yourself and the target player for the following day and night phase. You may only use this ability once.
Atheletic: Your skill at baseball means that you're fairly fit. You can make use of this, provided you are not using any of your other abilities, to ensure that the factional kill cannot be blocked by any protective roles. You may only use this ability once.
Distracting: Unfortunately, you have this nasty tendency to become the butt of every joke around here. You don't know what it is about your suffering that is so entertaining to others, but you'll be damned if you're not going to take advantage of this. During the night, provided you are not using any of your other abilities, you may target a player and keep them occupied for the night, preventing them from using any abilities that they may or may not have. You may only use this ability once.
Veteran: You've been hanging around purgatory for a while and, as a result, you're trusted by everyone else in the afterlife. You can abuse this trust, provided you are not using any of your other abilities, to convince a player of your choice to tell you about what they do in the afterlife. You may only use this ability once.
Vitality: Your status as the buttmonkey has made you rather resilient. If you have used all four of your abilities, all of your abilities will be recharged.
Afterlife War Front: As a high ranking member of the Afterlife War Front, you may speak with your colleagues here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/3yEwmEhFyeFLz). Every night, you or your colleague may target one person to kill by messaging the mod. Your factional abilities does not interfere with your personal abilities.
You are a threat to town. You win when you have eliminated all threats to your faction, or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, Conqueror, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Kanade Tachibana, Ex-Student Council President(Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lover). You've been waiting in purgatory for one thing. To thank the person that gave you your heart. Along the way, you've been helping others in the afterlife to appreciate the gift of life once more and to move back into the cycle of life. You even took up the position of Student Council President to help with this endeavor. Now that you've met the person that gave his heart to you, you couldn't be happier. Especially since he has adopted your cause. You wish to help everyone achieve enlightenment with Yuzuru before you can truly thank him for giving you his heart.
You have the following abilties to help you perform your duties as the Student Council President:
Harmonics: You have the ability to create near identical clones of yourself. When you are in a situation where you are about to be killed, you can have one of your dopplegangers take the blow for you, however this action will consume an extra life. You share your extra lives with Yuzuru and begin the game with one extra life that is shared between you and Yuzuru.
Enlightenment: Every second night, you may work with Yuzuru to help one person move on from the afterlife by sending a message to the moderator. When a person moves on, they will leave no trace behind. Naturally, whilst getting closer to this person to help them move on, you will learn all about the type of life they lived before and after they entered purgatory. For every second person that you help to move on, you will gain an extra life.
Borrowed Time: You carry Yuzuru's heart and this has created a special bond between the two of you. You may speak with Yuzuru at any time in private here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ggcM5FCHtXH). Helping others move on from the afterlife is actually your secondary goal, your primary goal being thanking Yuzuru for the heart he gave to you. Without Yuzuru, there's no point for you to remain in purgatory.
You are not a threat to town. (This clause is void in case of LYLO) You win when you and Yuzuru are the only players left, or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Welcome, Affinity, to Angel Beats! mafia. You are Yuzuru Otonashi, the Main Character(Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lover). When you first entered purgatory, you were lost and confused. However, with Kanade's help, you've regained your memories and found a new sense of purpose. This place is simply here to teach its inhabitants that life truly is worth living. Unfortunately, your friends don't seem to have realized this quite yet, and so you will educate them.
To help you carry out your purpose in the afterlife, you have the following abilities:
Resurrection: It's the afterlife, right? How can you die if you're already dead? You have a limited number of extra lives that are shared with Kanade Tachibana. You can consume an extra life to bring yourself back into the game if you are killed. You start the game with one extra life that is shared between you and Kanade.
Enlightenment: Every second night, you may work with Kanade to help one person move on from the afterlife by sending a message to the moderator. When a person moves on, they will leave no trace behind. Naturally, whilst getting closer to this person to help them move on, you will learn all about the type of life they lived before and after they entered purgatory. For every second person that you help to move on, you will gain an extra life.
Heartthrob: Your heart belongs, quite literally, to Kanade Tachibana. You may speak with her at any time in private here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ggcM5FCHtXH). You have promised to meet up with Kanade in your next life, and if she were to ever escape purgatory, you wouldn't want to keep her waiting would you?
You are not a threat to town. (This clause is void in case of LYLO) You win when you and Tenshi are the only players left, or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 15, 2012, 11:15:42 AM
Night 1 HW(Godmother)- Shoot Pesco DrRawr(JoaT)- Roleblock LLD LLD(Cop)- Shadoweh (Roleblocked) Kilgamayan(Tracker)- ActionDan (No Result)
Night 3 HW - Shoot Serela Bardiche - Rolecop Affinity
Night 4 HW - Kill ActionDan Bardiche - Neighbourize Conq Lovers - Janitor HW (Failed due to action immunity)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
Wow, we won. HW definite scum MVP. At work, post-game comments later.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 11:43:20 AM
The Mod God said I was only allowed to vote and give highly confusing words. And thus it was done.
True to the flavour. Everyone was an idiot.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Affinity on July 15, 2012, 11:45:49 AM
Sigh.
Well, awesome setup and awesome scum. Somewhat entertaining, but pity it suffered from the NoTV syndrome or something.
Pretty much everyone other than the scumteam (except for Kilga, pesco, and maybe Dan) were completely and utterly off this game, so I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers at anyone else for town's sadness (especially in the graveyard, Neko being especially irritating given her weak play all game). Just wished Shadoweh, Omba, and to some extent BT were more conducive to the game state instead of being lynchbait or something. The more these games happen, the more appealing capt.h's theories seem to be.
Flavor-wise, me and Conq totally deserved to win, btw.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Shadoweh on July 15, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
You lost because you shot the wrong scum, and they could strongarm through your lives. Gambits to the end! I'm going to get some hard liquor and pretend this game never happened.
Oh yes. We all suffered from collective scum invisibility syndrome. I think Dan is the only one that actually accused and voted scum every day.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Serela on July 15, 2012, 11:57:05 AM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 11:57:40 AM
Affinity and Conq do deserve to win. As I said from the graveyard, there's no such thing as being town anymore. But you were the only one that could be certainly said to be 'not-scum'.
I damn well want to point fingers. But what good is that going to do? It's the same people. Doing the same dumb things. Every single time.
My staying on HW this game was probably the closest I've come to enforcing a policy lynch. I will take it as a sign that this is the way to start curbing the habits of retardtown. Rid the game of people are hampering the town wincon has really become the more optimal way to doing things than trying to specifically find scum on Day 1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Serela on July 15, 2012, 12:06:45 PM
Anyway, self-reviving serial killer lovers is a very... interesting rolepair.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Serela on July 15, 2012, 12:17:26 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaa Bard wasn't kidding about the HW/Bard/Serela scumteam
The only thing I actually saw that was off about HW was that time he took the bait on Dan's "l-1" vote in D3. But HW messes around a lot so it was easy to see it as him just kidding. (Which he still might have actually been doing.)
If I hadn't been so convinced BT was scum (as seen in graveyard) I would have endorsed killing Bard for being weird as hell 24/7 since he joined, and -especially- the Rex hammer (I wouldn't do it purely for the former, but the latter itself is a sign you should seriously look at the person), but... hurf. I suppose after he flipped something entirely non-neighbory I'd have reluctantly agreed to lynch HW. But it would have taken several people wanting to lynch Bard over BT since I wanted BT dead, and considering BT was lynched d4 anyway, that probably wouldn't have happened! So oh well. (And apparently the SKs weren't a town threat so we didn't have to kill them? I'm not entirely sure how their lylo exception clause works.)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 15, 2012, 12:29:52 PM
(And apparently the SKs weren't a town threat so we didn't have to kill them? I'm not entirely sure how their lylo exception clause works.)
Early scumwipe would have resulted in town victory and ITP loss. Hence the weird pseudo-lylo thing happening and being important, rather than me just not announcing anything. Also, for clarification, pseudo-lylo was announced as it was possible for town to get into an unwinnable situation, which they did. (Kittan later pointed out that there was a very small chance for town to win, but it was extremely unlikely to happen, so whatever.)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 15, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
I take no credit for being anything close to good this game, since I consistently believed the scum team were townies even after the mason claim turned into a neighborhood claim.
I do find it kind of disappointing that I was shot because I was thought to be scum, though. Conq, seriously, when there are 90 minutes left in the day, you don't ask for clarification on a case that's (a) irrelevant, and (b) dropped. :C
Also anyone that suspected Dan at any point after about the middle of Day 2 should be ashamed of themselves because he was the most-obvious-for-not-silly-reasons townie in the game, even without that tracker result.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 01:06:16 PM
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In other news, this is now gambit mafia. Too bad Bardiche isn't playing. :V
Omba in Graveyard. No, Omba, I'm in your Gambits Mafier.
Seriously though, now that I'm back, some post-game comments:
Lynch everything that claims Scum. I replaced into this game thinking HW should be an easy lynch since he claimed Scum ad nauseum, only to find out I was his flippin' scumbuddy in a two-Scum team with a Mason claim where I'd need to explain why the fuck I wouldn't be NKed (expectation). Suffice it to say I was A Little Annoyed.
Huh What definite Scum MVP for me since he kept me motivated and actually managed to get everyone off his back and onto others. I didn't even do much this game. Affinity and Conq really got cheated out of their win; Sorry! Town had a minuscule chance to win since Pseudo-LYLO so :( for Town. Pesco was totes right in lynching HW for claiming Scum.
Not much else to say. Despite my earlier annoyance I think the game was actually fairly balanced.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 01:24:24 PM
Having finished reading the Graveyard, I wonder if there's ever someone who can die without calling all the living players idiots and acting like they're the only competent people. All the hubris in the Graveyard is pretty galling.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 15, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
I only recall thinking people dumb for pursuing Dan (and obviously if you're not town you're exempt from accusations of bad scumhunting). If I did more than that, then I apologize.
But yes, the Graveyard QT has been Grand Confirmation Bias Central for several months now.
What was the result here? I don't recall LLD mentioning anything.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 15, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
Not a threat to town. (at that point in time)
The cop was supposed to be inferior to the tracker. In the original setup, one lover would investigate as guilty and the other as innocent, but that was changed with the LYLO mechanic and having the cop investigate threats to town rather than innocent/guilty.
Also of note, you would have received the lover's target if you tracked either of them when they were performing their kills.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
I only recall thinking people dumb for pursuing Dan (and obviously if you're not town you're exempt from accusations of bad scumhunting). If I did more than that, then I apologize.
But yes, the Graveyard QT has been Grand Confirmation Bias Central for several months now.
And it really needs to stop. Just because people aren't dead and have attained Nirvana like all others do when shot in the face doesn't mean they automatically qualify for idiots and morons (or scum): Part of the game is to get people to NOT look at you in closer detail and to play the rest, and part of the game is also the environment and growing stress over getting the right target and the paranoia. Calling someone an idiot or otherwise insulting them simply for having played the game is more telling of your own traits than those of others.
I'll allow for some Graveyard frustration but a few days into being dead is really ???. I do agree the game went downhill from D2, LSD's gambit didn't quite work out well there.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 01:45:09 PM
If players can't even get the basics right, they're being stupid to try and play the game with advanced speculations. I'll take the times you guys considered Kilga was scum as an example. Players that are declared dead were obviously killed. The flip was not revealed. Thus it can't have been a town-controlled kill. If a vig had such a power, they'd still do something along the lines of claiming the kill. Kilga got killed for a reason, so if anyone had bothered to reread his posts, where do you even get that he was scum? Oh but there were 2 kills... Read the posts of the dead guy. If he was town, why did he say those things he said. If he was scum, what benefit does what he did? Trying to game the setup made a glorious waste of any scumhunting from Night 2 onwards.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Lexicat on July 15, 2012, 02:13:22 PM
What part of "don't let the masons live into LyLo" did you guys misunderstand?
Further, while I admit I gt sidetracked with Shadoweh, I told you guys you needed to kill Conq straight up.
I mean, -shrug-. My reads wet erratically mostly because I kept getting distracted from Conq. So Conq an Affinity did a good job there.
But this town should have lynched Huh What before lylo. And then when he flipped scum without the word "neighbour" in his role, you should have lynched Bard. And with the Conq lynch I suggested for day 3, you would have just had 1 scum left, yes?
Now granted, I was looking for a 3 man scum team, and it turned out to be a 9:2:2,.
Everyone fucked up a little but Conq/affinity should have won, and town should have bloody lynched Huh What before lylo.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 02:17:13 PM
But this town should have lynched Huh What before lylo.
D3 was pseudo-LYLO, D2 you focused onto Shadi with your gambit. There was no opportunity except D1.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 02:23:40 PM
Bard you're the worst
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I hate "lol I claim Scum" because it's goddamn annoying and I instinctively want to lynch anyone who claims Scum.
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Of course not, [Huhwhat] and Serela are my buddies. Neighbour QT more like Scum QT amirite
But seriously I'm still pretty mad you quicklynched me without giving me any last words and then nobody called you out on it.
This game was overall a trainwreck post D1 though.
I'm glad most of my gut was justified. Why doesn't anyone ever listen to my gut?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 02:33:44 PM
game the flavor all main characters = scum!
lol Conq was SK. I was thinking it might be 2:2 because it wasn't 3:1, and 2:1 didn't explain how town could lose from a mislynch.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Lexicat on July 15, 2012, 02:34:34 PM
Pseudo LyLo is the time to lynch a mason claim.
Especially one that turned into a neighbor claim.
ALSO, this setup is another demon I won't get into.
Affinity was MVP btw. Even lynching HW Conq and Bard, no way to guarantee I would lynch Affinity in time >.>x
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 02:36:20 PM
Dan was the only town I acknowledged after my death
It was that bad
But no seriously this game was pretty interesting, if not horribly lopsided towards anti-town.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Omba on July 15, 2012, 02:37:36 PM
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I guess it's a pretty decently balanced game.
Same thought here.
I spent all of my rage days ago, so I'll just say the fact that town managed to lynch town 4 times in a row speaks for itself. I know I screwed up, too, but seriously guys.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Affinity on July 15, 2012, 02:42:13 PM
Quote from: Neko
I'm glad most of my gut was justified. Why doesn't anyone ever listen to my gut?
Because most of us thought you were scum the entire game? Playing mafia is not only about guessing who's scum, but also convincing other people that you are town and that your scumreads are right. You failed on the last two counts, allowing scum to push a valid case on you that others agreed on, so self-explanatory that Bard's quicklynch vote looked only mildly strange to everyone except Dan. Don't think you should be so haughty regarding the game.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 02:44:25 PM
But I thought I was cleared after D1 :V
What happened to all that D1 read?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Omba on July 15, 2012, 02:45:53 PM
Ouch.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
I'd also like to note all the "Scum suspicion" was both anti-town factions piling suspicion on me over the day
It felt like you guys were working together over the course of the game.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 02:55:46 PM
Being read as Town D1 doesn't mean you will be read as Town on consecutive days. I'd hazard to say that of all things Mafia is, it is the least about guessing who the Scum are. It's arriving at the conclusion who the Scum are with arguments that can convince others, be they emotional, mathematically logical, reasonable or charismatic appeals. At the same time it is convincing other people that not only you are right, but that you are a member of the Town.
People too often think that seeing who the Scum is is some sort of activity worthy a medal. It isn't. Knowing who is Scum and yet not getting them lynched is as bad as not knowing who the Scum are and not getting them lynched. Lynching Scum by pure luck is also nothing you should be happy about. The purpose of the game is to convince others. To make others see what you see.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
CAN IT BARD YOU'RE DEAD TO ME
EXCEPT YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE NOONE EVER LYNCHED YOU
(I guess you're right, but this game was too tough after Shadoweh flipped town >:/)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
D2 ruined this game.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Omba on July 15, 2012, 03:07:41 PM
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This isn't Gambit Mafia
:V
Finding out who's scum is the first step. If you fail to follow through like I did with "uh, masons? :unvote:", then it's completely useless.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Edible on July 15, 2012, 03:08:05 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 03:14:30 PM
Imma let you finish but D2 was a way better game than D3.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Shadoweh on July 15, 2012, 03:26:42 PM
D2 NEVER HAPPENED LA LA LA LA LA To be fair when Neko got lynched there were equal parts scum to town.
Oh huh what. I would be confirmed scum masons with you anytime. <3
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 03:27:25 PM
I blame town for convincing me confirmed masons = autotown
I am never trusting masons again
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 03:30:35 PM
Confirmed Masons = Auto-Town
The problem is that Masons claiming they're Masons does not equal Confirmed Masons. Protip: It's not Confirmed until a Town Rolecop flips after claiming they are Confirmed Masons, one of the Masons dies and flips as such thereby confirming their Mason partner or an Informed Townie is told there is a Mason pair and there is no one counter-claiming the Mason claim (FWIW masons are always better off counter-claiming a fake Mason Claim because that's -2 Scum for -2 Town instantly).
ANY OTHER SITUATION: Masons aren't confirmed to be Masons.
NOTE: Last situation only applies if you are said Informed Townie, or if said Informed Townie claimed info then died and flipped as Informed Townie.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 03:31:57 PM
I LIKE MAFIA
AND
I BELIEVE MYSELF TO BE GOOD AT IT
EDIOT: BUT ONLY SOMETIMES
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Shadoweh on July 15, 2012, 03:34:18 PM
This space reserved for connection woes.
Also CONQ. >:< I should have known you were evil, look at how scummy that faaace is
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 15, 2012, 03:37:11 PM
oh hey the game is over :)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Serela on July 15, 2012, 03:37:36 PM
Technically Conq and Affinity were very good, not-evil people!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 15, 2012, 03:38:15 PM
only if we keep actiondan as an idiot
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Edible on July 15, 2012, 03:38:58 PM
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: I have no name on July 15, 2012, 03:41:39 PM
quote from: scum QT i could see nameless filling in for that slot (no offense) but if bard subs in we're basically fucked and i'm sorry bard ;_;
??? It's good thing I was following along the game because otherwise I would have subbed in, caught up been ??? ??? as confirmed town/scum and probably lynched D4. Since that seems to happen to me. Mind explaining why you could see me filling in for that slot though?
Also I echo the sentiment HW posted in the QT about not wanting to play another game with LLD
HW=policy lynch/policy NK now :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 03:43:22 PM
Seriously, though, it's a good idea to reconsider the approach you take when playing Mafia. Take pride in being the N1 kill (means you are Scum's greatest threat/optimal target) and else take pride in arguing a proper lynch onto the one you think is a scumbag. Accept nothing less. Guessing who is Sum and being unable to get a lynch on one is terrible.
Edible you... you... ;_;
Rawr. NEVER CLAIM MASONS AS SCUM AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAH. So much rage.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 15, 2012, 03:44:46 PM
i read part of hw post about claiming masons. i missed the part where he said claim it if were under pressure :V
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 15, 2012, 03:45:49 PM
Well, everything works once in the end. Turned up cool though, and everyone felt the sway.
Get luck and chance. I really wanted to lynch you for claiming SK. ;_;
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 03:48:18 PM
Somebody find me which moron first called the claim 'confirmed town'? That's another piece of basic play that people have just thrown away.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Shadoweh on July 15, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Pesco's posts were the best part of this game. Town lost the townie spirit when he died. Pesco MVP 4 sure.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Serela on July 15, 2012, 03:56:30 PM
I mostly never questioned the mason claim because I thought HW was town, which didn't change until BT flipped town, which was a bit of a shock. :C (Of course, the mason claim dissolved waaaay before then)
Bard was weird the entire time, but I didn't seriously consider it as actually scummy weird until the hammer on Neko.
QQ HW, can never read him right, so scary
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:00:25 PM
I was the one to say they were town D1.
I think Affinity + Conq should have true-claimed D3 at the lastest, maybe D2
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
am I the only one who thinks the set-up was pro-town?
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 15, 2012, 04:02:40 PM
I can read Huhwhat! I've been in lots of games with him!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 04:21:07 PM
What good reason was there to go parading the mason claim as confirmed town when there have been no flips? Especially when it's not one of the claimed pair's flip. Even if you found HW town, the claim came from Rawr, who I doubt anyone could say that he was clearly pro-town at the time. LLD's call for one of their heads is perfectly reasonable. Lynching Rawr first is also reasonable from the point of view of any townie.
It's personal preference that I wanted HW to die first. There had been several games where scum got away with claiming scum early. Refuge in audacity was discussed aplenty. Right now it happens and my feeling was that this was what they were going for. I felt that a Rawr lynch first would give space to HW to say that they were in fact neighbours (easily evidencible when they don't flip Mason). If neighbours, he absolves himself of responsibility for Rawr's claim. Seeing as they were indeed scum, removing HW leaves the weaker player to be easily caught out. Town being dumb notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Vhaltz on July 15, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
I get back after a week out of town and don't even feel like reading the game after hearing about all of the rage over it.
Games are supposed to be fun and stuff.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Serela on July 15, 2012, 04:44:29 PM
This game wasn't actually all that ragey. (At least not compared to other examples on motk)
It was pretty derptastic though.
I personally had fun, but I'm easy.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: ActionDan on July 15, 2012, 05:00:56 PM
This game wasn't actually all that ragey. (At least not compared to other examples on motk)
It was pretty derptastic though.
I personally had fun, but I'm easy.
+1
oh Conq, I was thinking that "fuuuuuuuuuuuu :V" contained secret guilt :D.
And BT did read town to me, so I guess it was lucky he was saddled with me, even if he did want to string me up.
Oh yeah, Bard's cases were bad teehee. Shadoweh case was "lol I see the light, Kilga is good" Neko's was "Neko bad" and mine was "Reportry" when I was one of the only people to look at Affinity seriously besides Kilga.
While LLD got the masons right as the scum team, I think her gambit with Shadoweh was not worth outing the cop. I was gonna press her a bit more had she survived.
Conq Scum tell = leading mislynches :V. Although I guess he thought they were scum this game. Still stands!
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 15, 2012, 05:13:10 PM
Oh yeah, Bard's cases were bad teehee. Shadoweh case was "lol I see the light, Kilga is good" Neko's was "Neko bad" and mine was "Reportry" when I was one of the only people to look at Affinity seriously besides Kilga.
And yet no one ever pushed a lynch onto me. ::)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 05:35:50 PM
huh what - Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Action Immune Godmother)
Dormioooooooooo
Well, as if I would ever want to let Yuri move out of purgatory anyways. She can stay there forever for all I care. >:<
Figured huhwhat was pulling a gambit with his post-hammer scumclaim because of Bard's obvious lover fishing implying rolecop meaning that huhwhat knew they couldn't just roleblock the SK but I figured it was a reverse gambit where he would pull the refuge in audacity card again and claim his actual role. :ohdear: Dear god the WIFOM. It's true that we probably would have shot Bard otherwise though so good on that.
Uh, not really sure what to say otherwise. I thought the setup was reasonably balanced for what it was. Town sorta tore itself apart though. Don't really begrudge losing to mafia via coinflip despite DAT CLAIM.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
We did it Yuzuru! We helped ALL the townies move on! *_*
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
I do find it kind of disappointing that I was shot because I was thought to be scum, though. Conq, seriously, when there are 90 minutes left in the day, you don't ask for clarification on a case that's (a) irrelevant, and (b) dropped. :C
Oh, sorry about that. I was getting paranoid because it looked like you were setting up our lynches for the next day or something. You were kinda PoE scum, but even if you weren't scum we rationalized you were a good shot for us because you were pushing both of us as lynches.
@Dan: I think Affinity was more for trueclaiming and I more against it. Not sure how useful it would have been in the end; scum found out what they needed with the rolecop but the revelation of a 2:2 setup would have made a real prisoner's dilemma or something so who knows.
Scum/SK argument on D2 is pretty hilarious in retrospect.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
ehhh
Policy lynching for claiming scum is stupid becuase I would do that if I felt like fucking around as town too.
Jokes about him being the best townie aside, Pesco isn't entitled to bitch about people ignoring the refuge in audacity, given that he did nothing to actually make people listen to him about it instead of assuming he was trolling.
Then again I intended to mess around instead of playing this game seriously from the minute I saw I was scum with rawr as my only buddy, so I'm not in the position to say much either.
I don't really think anybody is.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 06:02:16 PM
I was prepared to go into day 2 pressing you, but lo and behold, you actually thought I was enough of a threat to be worth killing. Even if I didn't convince town overtly, scum got convinced.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Bardiche on July 15, 2012, 06:08:29 PM
Policy lynching for claiming scum is stupid becuase I would do that if I felt like fucking around as town too.
No, claiming Scum is Fucking Retarded and to weed out this cancer from MoTK we need to policy lynch every single person who claims to be aligned against Town. Claiming Scum is never a good idea and we should not endorse this stupidity. My rage with you there was genuine.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Omba on July 15, 2012, 06:13:53 PM
We did it Yuzuru! We helped ALL the townies move on! *_*
I'm suddenly very glad I didn't finish watching Angel Beats.
And yes, policy lynching for claiming scum is a good idea. Unlike lynch all lurkers, it's actually possible without endangering wincon because there's a lot less people doing it.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Chaore on July 15, 2012, 06:18:23 PM
I was prepared to go into day 2 pressing you, but lo and behold, you actually thought I was enough of a threat to be worth killing. Even if I didn't convince town overtly, scum got convinced.
Often times, all you need to do to convince scum is be right and provide a hypothetical 'PESCO -COULD- SUDDENLY STOP FUCKING AROUND AND LYNCH US OH GOD'. And that's why I dropped a missile on Kitten.
Lynching people claiming scum is an excellent idea really.
it worked when people lynched me! : D
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 15, 2012, 06:18:53 PM
you actually thought I was enough of a threat to be worth killing.
Again, I killed you because I thought it would be funny for you to turn up dead after a day of shitposting and holding back. I wouldn't have done it had you been voting town because then it would have been a complete waste of a kill (meaning bending play3win too much etc), but the intent behind the kill wasn't "Pesco is the largest threat alive".
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Pesco on July 15, 2012, 06:21:30 PM
Your fear in the QT disagrees. Had I been voting town, obviously killing me would be a waste since I was wrong and would continue being wrong.
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Conqueror on July 15, 2012, 06:33:26 PM
For BT's graveyard comments: the inclusion on personal shit on D1 was genuine on my part and I was frustrated because of non-mafia related events. But AtE is a nulltell in any case; mafia players are real people after all. (Normally I wouldn't have posted that anyway but it sorta slipped, so my bad. >_>)
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: BT on July 15, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
It's not as bad now because, technically, you weren't lying. :/
Like, my frustration was mainly due to the fact that you "ended up being scum".
Title: Re: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win
Post by: Shadoweh on July 15, 2012, 11:28:32 PM