Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta

[Mеа]

That Urd couldn't show more cleavage even if she wanted to

[Mr. Sacchi]

And here I am waiting for my one true dragon husbando.

let's just forget for a moment that Z8 is actually good so that the above statement can make sense, okay? okay.

[commandercool]

Hmm my PreDra dungeon is right in the muddle of a tabletop event that I've got scheduled for tomorrow. I can either rudely ignore my first round opponent to dick around on my phone during a game, or I can play super aggressively and try to win or lose as fast as possible.

[aUsernameIsFineToo]

Reminder to not play PAD as the first thing in the morning:

Alarm goes off.
Grab phone and dismiss alarm.
(still in bed)
Open PAD.
Go into Challenge of a Lifetime twice with the wrong team.

:fail:

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Hmm my PreDra dungeon is right in the muddle of a tabletop event that I've got scheduled for tomorrow. I can either rudely ignore my first round opponent to dick around on my phone during a game, or I can play super aggressively and try to win or lose as fast as possible.

Excuse yourself to the restroom, hit the dungeon hard in there, apologize when you come back.

[Espadas]

About 15 minutes before going to the restroom start making faces like you are suffering or in discomfort, it helps...... although the questions after you come back are a bit more concerned  :derp: (speaking for experience.... dunno if i should be ashamed of it  )

Anyway Edible, could you change my leaders in the op? I don't use them anymore, now i'm basically running any Dark lead is best suited for the dungeon. If you want to put specific ones my first choices are usually A.Loki, A.Pandora and Yomidra (although i still bust out Verdandi and A.Sakuya when i can)

[Suikama]

I have a doctor appointment during pre dra

Who thought it was a good idea to make it so early in the morning?!

[Monarda]

*Plays  Challenge of a lifetime*

Well this ain`t too bad.
"Eastern Seven Star Formation"

Game Over

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Total bullshit that this only happens once today, especially since I missed most of mine. <_<;

Still...


(Inc. HP)


(Inc. Time)

First and second full pentamaxed cards!

[Chaore]

i think i'm fine gungho thanks for the dungeon

[Jq1790]

Hey, at least it's 1502 MP, right?  Or were those ones only 100 or something?

[aUsernameIsFineToo]

WAKE ME UP INSIDE

[Chaore]

Hey, at least it's 1502 MP, right?  Or were those ones only 100 or something?

Smalls are 100 mp yes, the 500 ones are rare spawns.

I can put the latents on leilan to make chirei less scrub though

[commandercool]

Excuse yourself to the restroom, hit the dungeon hard in there, apologize when you come back.

I ended up missing the first 20 minutes of the dungeon because I had to find parking, then I half-played PAD while half-playing my other game. Ended up dropping an extra stone a minute after the dungeon ended because I wasn't paying attention. Still worth it.

Still zero black resists though.

If anyone happens to be updating the front page for the fact that every lead will be glowing now, plz add my NepDra. He has rainbow resists now but with two whites until I farm a black.

[Mеа]

Not bad, though I had to burn through more stones than I would have hoped because I don't even have 150 stamina yet. But some of these are absolutely worthless, 4 auto heals and a time extend, in addition to several attack and rcv boosts, which I suppose could be useful on specific mons or teams. Not mine though. I'm one green dmg resist away from rainbow which sucks, and no skill delay resists. Though I wonder if the latter even drop?

[commandercool]

No, they don't.

[Mеа]

Lol ok I thought I was being a little hopeful, so it's not just my luck

[OverlordChirei]

Did one full bar of natural stamina and then stoned a full five times after. This is what you can get instead of pulling REM once at my rank. All runs were done on Master difficulty except one.

(start after the red ninja, light latent with +1 on it is from 5x4 T&S)



2 HP
0 ATK (wtf?)
3 RCV
6 TE
3 Auto

3 Fire RES
4 Water RES
3 Wood RES
5 Light RES
6 Dark RES

Also ~15,000 MP

Total Value without MP shop discounts: ~710,000 MP

With Half-Price Latent Discount: ~330,000 MP


Which one would you rather have...

[Suikama]

I missed it fuck me

Fuck me with a rusty tamadra

[commandercool]

How often can we expect to see this back? I'm up to do it infinity more times.

[Espadas]

I had a sadistic choice to make and in the end i went for +eggs. Simply cleared PreDRA dungeon for the stone and went back to run GYP. No matter how good that dungeon is, i have to give priority to plusses while 10x is still going....
Next time tho it will be a different story....

[commandercool]

I hypermaxed two things during this, so I feel like I'm good for +eggs for now. I don't even own another thing I want to hypermax.

Awoken Orochi is now the only thing I own that's +297 but not skillmax. I just don't have enough Bubpiis.

[Chaore]

I threw a stone or two and mostly got shit all.

A-Ama has an extra 9% auto-rcv now though!

[Pesco]

I take it Master difficulty for farming latents is fine? As in drops are still guaranteed.

[OverlordChirei]

I take it Master difficulty for farming latents is fine? As in drops are still guaranteed.

Drops are 100% on all settings, Master is more MP/stamina, Legend is more Latents/time.

[Mеа]

Just out of curiosity, I decided to scribble out a few numbers regarding the MP efficiency of grinding this dungeon over rolling in the REM.

Assuming that:
- They don't decide to nerf Master drops in the future, ie: drops are 100% per floor
- the Predra drop rate is 1 in 3 on floor 2
- 1 REM roll is worth 5000 mp (lol)

With that out of the way,
33% of the time, you would get 1 Predra and 2 baby Predras for 700mp
66% of the time, you would get 3 baby Predras for 300mp

So on average, you should be getting (0.33)*700mp + (0.66)*300mp ≈ 433mp per run on master

For griding this dungeon for MP comparable to a 6* REM roll to be worth it,
5000mp/433mp ≈ 11.5 runs
11.5runs/5 stones ≈ 2.3 runs/stone, or:
≥ 3 runs per stone
which is also:
≥ 150 stamina per stone

tldr; grinding this dungeon for MP on master difficulty is efficient and comparable to a 6* REM roll (5000mp) starting at 3 runs per stone, or 150 stamina per stone, minimum.
(Rank 267 hits 150 stamina)

Which shouldn't be a problem for most of the people here, I'd imagine. At 131 stamina, I wasn't being MP efficient with my stone usage, in other words.
If you must know, if your luck is utter crap and the game hates you and will only drop baby predras for you, then it becomes efficient at 4 runs/stone or 200 stamina/stone minimum.

[Pesco]

Now tell us the efficiency in relation to the cost of buying latents.

[Mr. Sacchi]

"Why would you buy something that can be farmed?"

At least that's my outlook on it.

[Mеа]

Now tell us the efficiency in relation to the cost of buying latents.

I'm... assuming that's a sarcastic jab at how obvious that should have been or at how I was missing the point entirely since the gold trophy of the dungeons isn't the MP so much as it is the latents.
But since I can't tell and I'm such a good little teacher's pet I'll stand up and answer to say something everyone in the class probably already knows anyway. Which usually only goes to show how much that person is an outspoken smartass but I'll play the role.

If you're being MP efficient, then it doesn't matter either way whether you go for rolling the REM for MP, selling useless mons or dupes into your bank or farming MP from the dungeon. The only difference being that with the dungeon, you might actually get the one latent you want, or others that you can use. Besides which, you can be more than efficient than just straddling efficiency/equivalence. With rolling the REM, the worth of your roll will likely be less than the ideal 5000 MP that I assumed in the homework. You're leaving things to chance, and chance left in the fist of PaD who clenches that die will more often than not result in a punch straight through your hopes and dreams. The only latent that you have to buy is the skill delay resist, and again, if you're being MP efficient with stones then it doesn't matter which way except that, again, you're probably better off going the dungeon route.
Which probably changes if you're more early in the game with not many REM rolls or in need of strong leads. In which case you would likely benefit more from [the chance of getting, haha,] strong gods to go through more of the game than you would from trying to tune whatever party you have into a slightly, slightly more optimal one.

[commandercool]

"Why would you buy something that can be farmed?"

At least that's my outlook on it.

At this point I could conceivably see myself buying latents for Snow White since she's wide open right now if they're something extremely specific that would help me beat a specific Challenge 10. Like if I was just a few HP short of tanking something I might buy HP latents for her or something. It's not my intent to do that, but it's a scenario where I might buy something that can be farmed.