Defence of the Ancients два: привет!

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

A thread for talking about DotA 2. No clue why you'd want to talk about DotA 2 though.


DotA 2 is the sequel to the popular custom map DotA on Warcraft III. DotA is available on the steam platform and is free to play. You can find information about DotA 2's launch here. If you already know how steam works, the DotA 2 page can be found here. The game has no region locks so you can play with your friends from all over the world, provided you don't mind having higher ping depending on which server you play on.


Great guides for beginners, READ THEM:
> How to play DotA 2 in 4 minutes
> Welcome to DotA. You suck.
> Ultimate guide to warding
> Character guides from DotA at playdota.com (not newbie friendly due to the WC3 icons)
> Alt-tab guides for every hero


Remember to check people's profiles on the forum to see if they want to reveal their steam ID or not!


The main MotK DotA group tends to hang around on the #dots-meido channel on PPIRC.
We have players of varying skill levels so you should be able to find people around your level without too much difficulty.
We also just chat and play other games whenever we feel like it.
You should come hang out with us sometimes!

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I AM SOOO DONE WITH PUB GAMES...they hurt me so bad. :ohdear:

I love pubs. It's the stacked queues that hurt me. :derp:

[Bio]

Good job EP for completely ruining that table >:C
(only mentioning it now because this is the first time ive looked at the op since forever)
Also http://www.dota2alttab.com/ is a pretty cool site.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

That is a pretty cool site, thanks for the link. :3

[Amraphenson]

first thing to note is that dular is lame.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

[19:54:33] <Helepolis> Amra, well ye they spam bit more in those threads
[19:54:43] <Helepolis> where we have... QUALITY !!!!!!
[19:54:46] <Helepolis> < thunder and lightning >

first thing to note is that dular is lame.

[19:55:34] <Shizuru_Dormatsu> >quality
[19:56:17] <Infinity|Uni> >quality

[PX]

My favorite part of that list is how I'm in it. Twice.

[Amraphenson]

Same.

[DX7.EP]

Good job EP for completely ruining that table >:C

Wait, what?

[Dular]

first thing to note is that dular is lame.

 :colbert:

[Helepolis]

You guys already disappointed me. 1000 hits with a whip as punishment or swimming with the sharks. Decide now.

Also, public isn't that bad now and then. The MM can be quite funny. Especially those where a random 5th person on either team doesn't pick and game abandons and counts as a loss (I know that games < certain minutes aren't logged but the game overview shows it anyway :V )

[Bio]

Wait, what?

Second user in a different tab stop.

[Conqueror]

Revealing Steam IDs is too mainstream.

[Zerviscos]

I love pubs. It's the stacked queues that hurt me. :derp:

I just wish I could be paired up with teams who don't play as 3-4 carries. I'm always left being a support nowadays...and that's one reason why I'm back to playing LoL most of the time. If they have league system in Dota 2, I am sooo playing again.

[Rikter]

So it won't do anything and everyone will still just installation carries because they need to get alll the gold and carry to get themselves out of whatever trash elo thus leading to 5 carries every game regardless?

League System won't help that

[Messiah]

What is this called dota?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

League system?

- Added Bristleback!

GAMEPLAY
- Broodmother: Fixed Insatiable Hunger cooldown on level 1 and 3.
- Dragon Knight: Fixed Dragon Blood armor bonus not carrying over to Illusions.
- Dragon Knight: Fixed Elder Dragon Form frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
- Doom: Fixed Doom damage being blocked by Pipe.
- Enchantress: Fixed Nature's Attendants lasting 1 second less than intended.
- Huskar: Fixed Life Break leap moving too fast.
- Magnus: Fixed Shockwave hitting units behind you.
- Mirana: Fixed Mirana's Leap range being slightly too short.
- Nyx Assassin: Fixed Impale traveling too far.
- Phantom Lancer: Fixed being able to have 1 juxtapose illusion too many
- Razor: Fixed Static Link break range being 25 too short.
- Shadow Shaman: Fixed Shackles doing a little less damage than intended.
- Slark: Fixed Pounce not initiating an attack order on the leashed target.
- Templar Assassin: Fixed Meld buff getting dispelled.
- Visage: Fixed Familiars not getting affected by Chronosphere.
- Weaver: Fixed being The Swarm units being unable to Latch onto sleeping units.
- Weaver: Fixed The Swarm getting permanently dispelled if the enemy is invulnerable .
- Weaver: Fixed the Swarm units not doing their initial attack immediately upon latching.
- Added Psuedo Random chance for Roshan's Bash.
- Fixed Eye of Skadi frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
- Fixed Diffusal Blade proccing multiple damage instances.
- Fixed heroes flickering on the minimap when walking by Sentry Wards while under Smoke of Deceit.

UI
- Pausing in a practice or tournament game now prevents the team that paused from querying units, moving the camera or accessing the shop.
- Added ability and item notes, detailed tooltips that will display only if ALT is pressed.
- Adjusted Replay Highlight scene leadin time a bit.
- Arcane Boots now has 'mana' as a shop alias.
- Wisp name change to Io.
- Added 10 second rewind button to replay controls.
- Spectator Items panel now takes up less space and shows items ordered by value.
- Steam friends can be added, removed, and friendship requests confirmed/ignored from within Dota 2.

VISUALS
- New Vengeful Spirit model.
- Added in-game models for when the following items are dropped from inventory into the world: Gem of True Sight, Observer Wards, and Sentry Wards.

BOTS
- Added Bounty Hunter bot.
- Significantly revised how Roam mode works.

AUDIO
- Revised Beastmaster's voice.

DOTA 2 STORE
- Added the Treasure Key of the Cursed Wood and the Treasure Key of the Shaper Divine.
- Several old keys have returned to the store along with a very low drop rate for some older community chests.
- The current set of community crates will no longer expire, but their drop rate will be decreased over time and their rarity increased over time.
- Added new sets for Brewmaster, Lich, Riki, Juggernaut, Beastmaster, and Spectre.
- Added a couple new couriers!

[Dr Rawr]

League system?

Probably the whole ap carry mid, ADC
/support bot, jungle, etc.

[Zerviscos]

So it won't do anything and everyone will still just installation carries because they need to get alll the gold and carry to get themselves out of whatever trash elo thus leading to 5 carries every game regardless?

League System won't help that

I don't think it wouldn't exactly help.
League systems don't really just rank someone with just wins right? It'll also rank hero gameplay. Atleast with that it'll be assuring you have a good player on your team. Rather than looking at profiles saying "ohh this guy has 300 wins, has way less than me, please don't be a noob" sorta thing.

I don't know...Maybe, I'm pretty much used to how Starcraft 2 players have tremendously improved in leagues, like the difference of micro'ing and strategy of Diamonds to mere Gold players.

Probably the whole ap carry mid, ADC
/support bot, jungle, etc.

I meant the Rank system.

[Ace-Royale]

But the ELO system DOES rank someone with just wins. They don't care if you're the best support in the world or go 80/1/3 if you still lose, you will lose elo and be matched with scrubby players.

Are you looking for a matchmaking system based on something like hero preformance in DotA?

[Zerviscos]

But the ELO system DOES rank someone with just wins. They don't care if you're the best support in the world or go 80/1/3 if you still lose, you will lose elo and be matched with scrubby players.

Are you looking for a matchmaking system based on something like hero preformance in DotA?

Well I do agree ELO doesn't apply very well on team matches. Seeing that SC2 was always more focused on 1 v 1 games.

So yes, hero performance. If they could even come up with an idea like that.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Um, DotA 2 does have a MMR system that is very similar to ELO, it's simply hidden from public view.
Also, DotA 2's MMR doesn't factor in hero performance from what I know, just wins and losses.
So if you want better games, then start winning to get yourself out of the bracket that you're currently in.

[Zerviscos]

Um, DotA 2 does have a MMR system that is very similar to ELO, it's simply hidden from public view.
Also, DotA 2's MMR doesn't factor in hero performance from what I know, just wins and losses.
So if you want better games, then start winning to get yourself out of the bracket that you're currently in.

That's the contradicting part right there. Win to get in a better bracket(currently Platinum IIRC, last dbuff check). But how could you win if you have teammates that can't also win?

I also can't get a hold of myself to form a team.

[Amraphenson]

Get good enough to compensate for the derpfaces.

[Zerviscos]

Get good enough to compensate for the derpfaces.

Mah supports can't carry whole team of carries.

Them tards want me to gank, when I have no one to gank with.  :getdown:

Well, my only real complaint as of now is how ridiculously imbalanced Dota is, the characters ofc...if one side gets strong, insta-win. Well nothing can be done with that now can we?
Atleast in LoL it let's you respawn your inhibitors.

[Amraphenson]

lies and slander. turn that support into a carry! be a man that pulls himself out of shit tier and stop crying like a wuss!

[Zerviscos]

lies and slander. turn that support into a carry! be a man that pulls himself out of shit tier and stop crying like a wuss!

I did made my Omniknight a carry...and we still lost.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

But how could you win if you have teammates that can't also win?

If you're in a bracket where your allies don't have a grasp of basic team composition, then remember that the enemy team will also be approximately just as bad.
Besides, if you're good enough, then you should be winning most of your games anyway.
When you take into consideration that in lower brackets people are very bad at farming and the impact that items have in DotA and that creeps provide such a massive source of income, you get to ignore feed and win through superior farm.
Of course, I'm not saying that you'll win every game if you're better. It is very, very difficult to carry 4 people. However, not every lane will lose.
I mean, if you think that you're better than the bracket that you're in, then you should consistently win the lane you're in, and then let's say that one of your other lanes win while the other one loses. Then that's two out of three lanes won, which means that it's much more likely for you to end up winning that game.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Well, my only real complaint as of now is how ridiculously imbalanced Dota is, the characters ofc...if one side gets strong, insta-win. Well nothing can be done with that now can we?
Atleast in LoL it let's you respawn your inhibitors.

There was a game, I'll have to ask Rawr for the game later, that I was in where our team was down around 20 kills. The enemy team had 3 late-game oriented heroes who all had very good farm. We still won. :derp:

[PX]

We should totally punish the dominating side for dominating the other team!

Not gonna turn this into a lol vs DotA but taking a rax in DotA is harder and more rewarding than an inhibitor in LoL