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Got my copy, took the day off work, gonna see if I can beat it in one sitting. :D
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Hell yeah
Case 1 spoilers loved the passing of the baton
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Case 1 spoilers:
WHAT THE FUCK?! I have seen some upsetting shit from this franchise, but this is a strong contender for the worst thing yet. I don't think it's quite the worst in a vacuum, but putting it at the beginning of the story rather than toward the end makes it so much worse...
I don't think I was going to be able to come close to finishing this game today anyway, but I'm honestly not sure I can keep playing right away after that. I think I need a break...
Edit: Oh christ no no no not Claire De Lune what the fuck! I have some very negative feelings associated with that song already. It's like they knew about that and put this here to fuck with me personally. This isn't faaaair!
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So, Case 1 thoughts (featuring discussions with Sapz and Finn):
<Sect> My guess for who killed the first victim: Shuichi, who turned on the flash to attract ???'s attention, and set up one of the shotputs to roll onto his head when he investigated the camera.
<Sapz> No comment, etc, but a fun guess :V
<Sect> I'm about to start the class trial, and I'm going to stick with it. Shuichi decided that the best way to deal with the mastermind was to lure them into investigating the camera, after which the ball would drop on their head. The reason he prompted the class trial and participated in the investigation was because he wanted to confirm that Rantaro was the mastermind. Either Rantaro was not the mastermind, or he
<Sect> was an accomplice.
<Sect> Time to see how off I am!
<Sapz> :V
<Sapz> Have fun
<Sect> @later tell Sapz WHAT THE HELL
<Keine-tan> Sect: Okay! ^_^
<FinnKaenbyou> I suspect I know what just happened, Sect, but if you want to confirm in PM I'd appreciate that
<Sect> Dangan Ronpa V3. Murderer of the first case.
<FinnKaenbyou> YUP
<Sect> HOLY SHIT
<FinnKaenbyou> When I saw you talk to Sapz about how much you liked Kaede I was just like 'oh, Sect, dear, you are in for a fun time.'
<Sect> THEY RUSED ME HARD
<FinnKaenbyou> WELCOME TO DANGAN RONPA
<Sect> THIS IS MORE DANGAN RONPA THAN I EXPECTED
<Sect> Wait fuck, is Shuichi going to take off his hat and reveal he has a protagonist ahoge?
Spoiler for that last line (and Chapter 2): Yes he does.
Ohhhh man, Sapz was right, this is going to be good.
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Chapter 1 spoilers:
I'm just amazed how much sense it makes. When the lie mechanic was introduced I was like "Wait a minute, aren't I making a lot of assumptions here about why I need to do this?" but no, I apparently knew why I needed to do that the whole time...
The only thing that doesn't make sense to me now is the promo video covering up the noise. That was just a lucky coincidence, right? I can accept that the whole Rube Goldberg contraption worked perfectly the first time with no testing, but the fact that a loud noise happened to come along to cover it up at exactly the right moment is a bit of a stretch. Or did I miss something and Kaede had reason to expect that to happen at just that time?
Is it wrong that I have my fingers crossed for some kind of insane twist to bring back Kaede? Like this was actually some kind of elaborate setup with Rantaro and he has some kind of bullshit get-out-of-jail-free talent and she'll come back to save everyone again in the last case...?
Stupid Danganronpa... So fucking traumatized again... :D
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Chapter 1
The first case threw me for a loop in the beginning. Similarly to Sect.. Like, Shuichi gives off some really weird vibes. When you set up the library cameras they make him choose who sets up what camera, and he acts all relieved / happy when the setup is done. And he goes chasing after the group that goes downstairs, leaving you alone... and they almost never bring up what exactly he was doing down there.
But when the iron ball was revealed I went like "wut, hold on". It had to have fallen from above but when did Shuichi have the time to do that? He didn't. It gets 100% crystal when they remind you that Kaede is the one who left the air vent open for NO REASON AT ALL except if she wanted an inanimate object to pass through it.
Really, though, why does he have to have an ahoge? I never liked that shit yo.
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Chapter 1:
I can buy Shuichi's weird behavior as a combination of his hangups surrounding his own talent, nervousness, and just plain 'ol red herrings.
There's this weird moment when he goes to get the cameras from Miu and acts suspicious for no good reason, seemingly forgetting what he's doing and why. And I think there's no reason for it aside from putting suspicion on the cosplay girl, since we don't know about her bizarre limitations yet at that point. But I guess that's fine, it's well established that he's no stone-cold motherfucker like Kyoko and he definitely gets flustered and confused several times.
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Chapter 2:
I call bullshit on the game for saying I got the wrong answer about the time of death the first time around, I totally had the correct answer the first time for the right reason!
This case was pretty easy all things considered, but man, it was REALLY rough. Is it just me or is this game a lot more brutal than the first two? Or at least the really horrible stuff is coming along earlier in the plot. I don't know how much more of this I can take...
Also, I'm not crazy in remembering that the basic premise of the setting that keeps being vaguely hinted at was plainly announced when the game was revealed, right? The game is treating it like a huge secret but it was part of the pitch of the game. Wasn't it?
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Yes, I remember they talked about the setting in one of the infomercials. In hindsight, huge spoiler, what where they thinking??
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As someone who played the game a while ago, I've been waiting a long time to see these reactions. You guys are in for quite a ride. :V
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Chapter 1:
I thought the culprit was going to be Shuichi, too. I was just as shocked as you guys were to find it was Kaede.
Chapter 2:
Well, it makes sense things would be rougher than in the first two games; serial escalation, and all that.
I'm curious as to how Korekiyo's FTEs will explain his personality. Given his talent, you'd think he'd act like a saint, but instead he acts like a creepy guy with slightly-above-average bullshit tolerance.
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I swear Oma's dumb creep face gives me PTSD. Not really a spoiler. He's just a jerk.
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His voice acting is phenomenal. I'm honestly not sure which version of him I think is the lie. Definitely one of my favorite characters so far because he's so well done. But yeah, he does seem to be a monster creep.
So remind me, to what degree are we sure supernatural powers exist in this franchise? Is there any hard evidence of it yet? Ultra Despair Girls gets extremely close to proving ghosts exist, but it's still left just a bit ambiguous. Did anything in the anime confirm it one way or the other?
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Beats me, I didn't watch the anime. SDR2 did whatever the hell it wanted by abusing the fact that
it's in a simulation
. I think the franchise skirts the line on purpose because it's more fun and unpredictable that way.
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You should watch the anime, it's good.
Then again, my morning routine still includes an "Am I still traumatized by seeing the Danganronpa anime?" check to this day and the answer is still yes, so maybe don't watch it...
Plus Alter Ego doesn't appear so it's worthless.
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Currently at chapter 5!
This is the first time i've ever played a Danganronpa game completely unspoiled and it is a wild fucking ride
Ch. 1 spoilers: I still miss Kaede a lot. At least Shuichi looks a lot better hatless
also, a bit of advice applicable to chapter 2 and on: Check the labs of the dead kids after every chapter. All of them. There's new dialogue, even for the ones who died earlier.
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If
Shuichi
and Kaito
don't make out by the end of the game I'm going to be disappointed.
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Chapter 2 thoughts:
<Sect> Okay, I don't know what's going on with the second case. The only person that seems suspicious is Kaito, especially with him saying that the stuff int he pool was unimportant, but I can't think of a good motive for him other than him going crazy because the robo Monokub returned all of the motives to the right people (because Shuichi and the others didn't realize that the mixing up of the motives was accidenta
<Sect> l in the first place, and thought that it was just a game). Even then, it seems a bit out of character for Kaito, and the only reason I'm really sticking with it is Shuichi's monologue after his training with Kaito.
I didn't even suspect Kirumi until the moment that you had to select the culprit. It made perfect sense when the pieces came together, and her motive for killing was... kind of crazy, but sensible. Ryoma, though, really has it rough, especially with that motive.
Also, I liked Maki from the beginning, but she's becoming even better for me. She's currently my second favorite female character, after Kaede (sob). Kaito's my favorite male character.
Now onto Case 3, and beginning the trial:
I have no idea who killed Angie or Tenko. I'm just happy that they finally killed a character I didn't like. The method of creating the locked room for Angie is pretty obvious, by stabbing the katana in the Kaede effigy and spinning her right round baby right round in order to get the room to lock after leaving, and Tenko's murder seems straight forward. Who did it is the big question.
EDIT: More thoughts before starting Trial 3: I don't think Kokichi or Kiyo are responsible for Angie's death, because they both would have known about the gold leaf falling off and leaving clues. Neither of them could have killed Tenko because they were involved in the seance, and the logistics to getting underneath the floor while chanting in darkness would have been difficult. Kokichi could have snuck away to do the stabbing, since I thought I heard someone drop off in the middle of the chant, but it would have been dumb for him to reveal that the other room had similar sabotage done to it. That does show that someone had already planned for the seance to be done, though, even if they didn't know which room it would be in: they decided to not let it go to chance by preparing all three of the dark rooms for a murder opportunity...
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Second case:
I got fixated on the black cloth and therefore Kirumi pretty early on, to the point that I was losing points by trying to use it as evidence for everything whenever it was available. I was guessing that someone else requested her to commit the murder though which didn't end up being the case.
Before the third trial:
At this point Kokichi and the student council members are the only logical suspects since I don't think anyone else could get into the lab.
Right now my prime suspect is Kibo by way of Miu. Maybe she modified him to commit the murder against his will, since she's obviously been tinkering with him. That doesn't really explain a motive though, since I don't think she's that reckless or THAT callous to just kill someone to try to escape at this point.
As motives go my best guess is that it's one of the council members and the murders were committed at Angie's request for some kind of weird occult reason. Which still makes Kibo my main suspect at this point.
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Third Trial conclusion:
As I was playing, I was thinking about my earlier thoughts and went "wait a second, those are exactly the reasons I should suspect those two". And lo and behold, Kiyo was the killer. And a complete fruitbat.
Very end of Chapter Three:
Kaito! Nooooooooo! ;___;
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Third trial proceedings:
Really not sure how I feel about the lie about Tenko dying instantly. It seems pretty tricky to deduce that's what you're supposed to do without trial and error because you're using it to refute Maki and Maki knows that it's not true and can easily refute it. I get that it's a thematic thing to show that she's on the same page with Shuichi at this point and trusts him, but I don't know how you're supposed to decide to do that. Maybe the point is that you're supposed to exhaust every other option before coming to that, I don't know, but I don't really like how it works out. It feels like a kind of bullshit use of the perjury mechanic, which is what I've been kind of worried about since it was introduced.
Edit:
Does it look like the Necronomicon
was illustrated by Hideshi Hino
to anyone else? Not sure if that's a deliberate reference or not, but if it is then it's great.
Edit edit:
Yeah, I gotta admit, I like Kokichi
quite a bit. I don't think he's that terrible, I think he's just a fucked up kid who doesn't know how better to relate to people. Same with Miu, as terrible as they both are at (a lot of) times. There's honestly not a member of the cast that I don't like quite a bit left with Korekiyo gone. That means that if there are two more cases things are potentially going to continue to be really rough.
They've already pulled the "they did it for good reasons" motive twice, so I'm not sure how more killings could be justified. I don't doubt that there are plenty of ways, but I don't think any of these people are secretly monsters waiting to make their move like Korekiyo was. I guess the "suicide to save everyone else" motive is still open, or an accidental death, or some kind of Danganronpa 2-style sudden personality shift in someone based on a flashback.
Edit edit edit:
Very very beginning of fourth chapter:
What is Rantaro
talking about? Or maybe more specifically who is he talking to? Who "wanted this killing game"? Was it everyone? Just one person in the class? A separate mastermind that we haven't directly met yet? Does this mean he's related to Ultimate Despair somehow? Aaaah I got work tomorrow so I have to go to bed but I want to keep playing and find oooout...
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Before Trial 4:
Every time, I say that Kokichi is the killer, and I?m wrong. Well, I?m almost certain that I?m not wrong this time. I think Miu was planning onk killing Kokichi this time, or at least making him not a problem by freezing him, but he got one up on her. Also, the poison is a red herring.
EDIT: Wow, uh, Monokuma is tired now. Weird.
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End of 4.
Fuck you Kokichi.
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Edit edit edit:
Very very beginning of fourth chapter:
What is Rantaro
talking about? Or maybe more specifically who is he talking to? Who "wanted this killing game"? Was it everyone? Just one person in the class? A separate mastermind that we haven't directly met yet? Does this mean he's related to Ultimate Despair somehow? Aaaah I got work tomorrow so I have to go to bed but I want to keep playing and find oooout...
I thought (this is me playing blind but I might ruin it for you if I'm right, proceed at your own risk) it was a video they each left for themselves, before they voluntarily erased their memories.
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That makes sense.
I have a relatively comprehensive theory about what has happened and will happen so far in the overarcing plot. It's partly based on spoilers present in the marketing material and announcement of the game though, so I don't know that I can really call it *my* theory.
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Partway through chapter 5:
The reveal that everyone was an Ultimate student from Hope?s Peak Academy has me... dissatisfied? Like, I can?t help but feel there?s something off about it. I think it might be a false memory used to give the students ?hope? as a last resort. I dunno, we?ll see.
Also, OT3 Shuichi/Kaito/Maki.
EDIT: Still where I left off, and have been thinking about the previous spoiler: The more I think on it, the more I think that the last memory is just Kokichi implanting false memories to give the survivors hope and to make things more interesting. Kokichi mentioned in a previous case a show or game about a killing game that was straight up Dangan Ronpa. Either the events of the previous games were made into games for... dunno, Future Foundation funding, or the previous games never happened in this timeline and were always just games that Kokichi was a fan of. Point is, I'm pretty sure the memories are false.
I think the reveal that they're on a spaceship/habitat on a ruined Earth is real, but the nature of the participants is not what Kokichi claims. Rantaro's foreknowledge indicates that he's aware of the killing games and was a past participant, which makes me wonder if everyone are clones that have memories inputted into them. I'm also curious why Kokichi doesn't have a lab of his own. Either it's just hidden, or he's not an original student, and there was only supposed to be fifteen students on the spaceship. I dunno. We'll see tonight.
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Pre-trial Five:
They're being rather coy with who died during this case, and Monokuma says that it will be revealed when the trial starts. My guess... is that Kaito shot Kokichi with the poisoned bolts, but was unable to finish off Kokichi, and Kokichi stabbed Kaito with the remaining dart. Kokichi then dragged Kaito to the press after drinking the antidote, and crushed Kaito's corpse before disposing of his outfit to hide the fact that he got shot.
... Maybe? I dunno. We'll see.
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Trial Five spoiler picture: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3lndyyo3y3pd6ed/Photo%20Oct%2002%2C%2022%2019%2052.jpg?dl=0
I am drowning in my own death rattles. Or something. Shit is weird.
EDIT: Trial Five ending.
That... was a thing. I kind of guessed it halfway through, but still. Wild. And now my OT3 is dead. ;_____;
Oh, and everything is Junkos.
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Trial Six, pre:
Sep 25 21:07:01 <ArashiKurobara> can confirm, Sapz did a lot of listening to theories without comment on other games for me :V
Sep 25 21:07:58 <Sect> Well, here's my crackpot theory after getting out of the... uh, prologue? None of the characters are Ultimates, they just had false memories and skills uploaded into them. The ??? dude is the exception because he's going to be the "control" by having nothing about him altered.
Sep 25 21:10:47 <Sapz> Oho
That's looking awfully accurate there. Obviously I was wrong about Rantaro, but the rest seems fine. My updated guess is that this is a Hunger Games style game based on an in-world fiction about Dangan Ronpa (think a fanfiction type game, I suppose), and while everyone dies you still get a reward for being a survivor. Why Rantaro decided to go through it twice is anyone's guess. There's... probably also going to be something about Kaede not actually being the killer or something, what with the shotput with the pink threads (she had wrapped her spare uniform around the shotput).
EDIT: Flash of thought before the trial:
Tsumugi is the mastermind.
She's barely done anything throughout the entire game.
She was in the ladies' bathroom, where the secret path to the Motherbear room is.
If the two Dangan Ronpa games are "fictional", then she can dress up as Junko without her cospox triggering because Junko is fictional.
She could possibly dress up as the other characters, if their personalities and skills are "fictional".
EDITEDIT: Trial 6 save point.
What the fuck.
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Aaaaand finished Danganronpa V3. I'll take time before saying what I think about it. Whew.
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I'm on the investigation for the fourth trial now. Maybe it's just that I like the cast of this game more than the others overall so I don't want anything bad to happen to them even more than usual, but it's really starting to grind on me. That's not necessarily a bad thing, makes it super tense and exciting, but it's also exhausting. And has the usual crazy tonal whiplash.
Fourth investigation:
I haven't done much investigating yet, but I'm guessing this was an accidental death/botched murder attempt. Miu was clearly up to something shady, I think maybe she intended to try to cut off everyone's ability to escape from the virtual world but got killed in the process. Kokichi definitely is extremely suspicious though, so he's probably at least involved, especially since the key card is still unresolved, just not sure it's to the extent that he could actually be called the killer.
Also, this is the second character after Ryoma that died while I was one point away from maxing out my relationship with them! Hooray!
Edit: There's also a distinct chance that a body swap has happened here. The most straightforward one would be Miu ending up in Kaito's body and then killing him in her body. But I'm not really convinced she has the subtlety to pull off that kind of elaborate deception.
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Case 4 [Finished]
This case had the worst case of moving too slow. They took way too long explaining what happened to the sign that went upstream.
I was expecting Kokichi's question at the beginning of the trial to come up. He asked what happens when they tie the vote, and Monokuma had the really dumb answer of how it's okay as long as one of the tied players is the blackened. But it never came up. Maybe next case.
Here's one thing I did like about the case: the subtlety about how Gonta didn't understand anything about the VR. That was sneaky, but it did keep me guessing at what actually happens when you mix up "consciousness" and "memory". It sounds more severe than just losing your memory. I thought weirder stuff would happen, honestly.
Speaking of which, it looks like they ARE in a virtual reality program all along, inception-style. Didn't think they'd reuse it after the second game, but after Kebo mentioned the parallels in the simulation, how there's walls just like in the school, it seems pretty likely. The flashback images of the characters hooking up to a device wouldn't be a memory-wipe, it would be them hooking up to the big simulator computer.
Anyway, on to chapter 5. If it gets any close to last game's chapter 5 then I'll be happy.
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I stayed up way too late last night to finish V3. In short:
What the fuck.
This about sums it up. :V
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Case 5 [Finito]
I have so many notes.
Why did Shuichi help Monokuma? Is he an idiot or something?
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Notepad dump:
Why didn't Maki keep the Exisal again?
Man, nothing proves that the body swap happened at all. Only that it's, possibly, what happened.
"You saw him drink it right in front of you, but you couldn't confirm he actually did it." Uhh what am I reading
Every time they flash the image of Maki staring through the bathroom window while Kokichi fake-drinks the antidote, it just looks like NTR.
One of the things I liked about Kokichi is that he wasn't Komaeda. It was refreshing to have a villain who's goal-oriented and actually wants to survive and WIN.
They're making it out like Kaito's in the Exisal, but the Exisal is saying things only Kokichi would say...
Why are they solving this case when it's in their best interest to NOT solve it? Monokuma doesn't know squat. What are they doing?
"I will show you the truth. A truth you can't deny". Oh hell I will deny it. There's no proof any of the swap happened. Or how Kokichi drank or didn't drink the antidote.
In hindsight, instead of using the electrohammer on the exisal, Maki could've just used it on the electric panel. Doy. Oh... well I guess the alarm was there. So why not use the electrobomb she had on her?
Shooting to wound. It's a good thing Kaito's a natural at using a crossbow.
So Maki tried barging through the shutter and failed. So she left in shame? What the heck? Wouldn't she have returned to the bathroom window to talk to Kaito some more?
In the case summary, they said Maki tried opening the shutter, and only after she gave up, Kokichi used the electrobomb, but that makes no sense. He had to have used it before Maki slashed the panel or else the alarm would've triggered.
How'd Kaito climb inside an Exisal anyway?
Shuichi is really shitty at this lying business.
It's Shuichi's fault for waiting this long to lie about the culprit. What an idiot.
I hate Shuichi.
Kokichi wrote a book? When did Kokichi write a book??
Are they breaking the fourth wall by saying "someone is watching the game"?
"I hated Kokichi. He was a lying sack of shit." Also a KILLER hello
(Note: I didn't mention this in my case 4 post, but if Kokichi wanted to avoid Miu's trap he could've, you know, NOT convince everyone to enter the simulation. He wanted to kill. He's a psycho asshole.)
The execution.... was that the intro to DR1?!
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There?s a lot to unpack in BT?s notes that I can?t address on a phone, so I?m just going to respond to this:
Case 5 [Finito]
I have so many notes.
Why did Shuichi help Monokuma? Is he an idiot or something?
It basically comes down to Kokichi being such a shitbird that they?re unwilling to side with him, especially after he tricked Gonta into killing and after Kaito?s supposed death: they don?t trust him to do anything but lie, so they aren?t willing to trust that he actually has a plan for ending the game, especially since he?s the leader of the RoD. By the time Shuichi figured out that it really was Kaito in the mech, it was way too late.
There?s also a few things in Chapter 6 that might explain some questions you have.
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Aaah I want to read all these spoilers but I still have so much game leeeft!
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Having a blast playing V3 although the steam version seems to be having some audio desync issues on the video cut-scenes other than that I'm having a grand time I might try and go for 100% friendship fragments.
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Post-trial four
Well, that wasn't quite THE worst thing that's ever happened in a Danganronpa story, but it's in the top five for sure... Christ. How awful.
Is it a plot hole that Kokichi's plan seems to have hinged on the random chance that Gonta would fuck up his helmet? I guess not since Kokichi probably figured implicating Gonta would be easy.
And as if the general goings-on weren't bad enough now the franchise is teasing me about not having had Alter Ego appear in a long time. Give me best girl laptop boy character!
Edit: And it's worth noting that Kokichi and Miu both seem to be pretty evil after all. I still could buy that Miu is just a pathetic weirdo cracking under stress, but it's pretty hard to defend Kokichi at this point. Even if the same case is true for him, and it may be, he's still gone waaaay past the point of redeemability...
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I just exploded chapter 6
I approve of everything
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Beginning of investigation for fifth case:
Here's my current understanding of events:
-The ship is still in space. Kokichi was lying about it being on Earth, and the outside world we saw was some kind of trick. The stars don't match, so it's still in space or is landed on another planet.
-Kokichi probably either killed himself or faked the death scene with the hydraulic press entirely. Kaito is probably alive for now.
-Kokichi is not actually the mastermind. The key card gave him access to the remote control for the Exisals, but he isn't actually Ultimate Despair. I'm not even sure he's a member of the Remnants Of Despair at all.
-It's possible that Maki is responsible for the death here, but I don't think she is. I think Kokichi killed himself and implicated Maki hoping that Shuichi would get the identity of the killer wrong, resulting in everyone's deaths.
Edit: Yeah, all of the evidence is pointing toward Maki having killed Kokichi. I reeeeally hope that isn't the case. If Maki dies too then... Well then I won't be very happy. My theory is still that she's being set up, but she sure is acting weird which isn't helping...
Edit: Post-fifth trial
Jeeeesus, that just about gave me like a dozen separate heart attacks throughout. What a roller coaster.
I think it's fair to say that this case is the best thing in this entire franchise so far. Holy shit. The crazy twists, the surprisingly happy conclusion, the way it sort of redeemed Kokichi a bit while still keeping his motivations ambiguous, the several crazy reveals at the end...
I've been having a hard time playing this game because it's so oppressively brutal, but I kept powering through it because I needed to know what was going to happen and was hoping it would be something like this. Now if the ending can just follow up on this then this will be the best entry in the franchise hands down.
The execution.... was that the intro to DR1?!
Yes.
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chapter 4/chapter 5 stuff:
it's never outright stated but it's basically implied that a combination of learning the truth about the outside world (if nothing else there was the METEORS BITCHES flashback light) + not doing well under pressure in the first place + paranoia from the first three cases caused miu to fracture under pressure and go for the murder plan in the belief she could save the world with her genius, rather than her being a malicious killer from the start
notice that it's not until after trial 3 and the flashback light that she throws herself full-time into working on the virtual world
(she's still my favorite tbh, maybe i just have weird taste)
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chapter 4/chapter 5 stuff:
it's never outright stated but it's basically implied that a combination of learning the truth about the outside world (if nothing else there was the METEORS BITCHES flashback light) + not doing well under pressure in the first place + paranoia from the first three cases caused miu to fracture under pressure and go for the murder plan in the belief she could save the world with her genius, rather than her being a malicious killer from the start
notice that it's not until after trial 3 and the flashback light that she throws herself full-time into working on the virtual world
(she's still my favorite tbh, maybe i just have weird taste)
I genuinely don't think Miu is a bad person and I don't think the characters think that either. She's a weak person, at least compared to the rest of the survivors past that point, but she's not malicious. She's an emotionally fragile kid who didn't have an effective coping mechanism for an extreme situation like this.
She's not quite my favorite, but she's up there. Top three or four probably. At the very least she's about as sympathetic as someone who's acting purely out of reckless self-preservation can be.
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the way it sort of redeemed Kokichi a bit while still keeping his motivations ambiguous,
Just a personal thing: I don't think it redeemed, or it meant to redeem, Kokichi. Kokichi's a bastard, and he always was a bastard till the moment he died. His actions were inexcusable, and neither the game nor the characters try to excuse them. What the game does is make him more understandable, but at the same time insert that bit of ambiguity that makes everyone a bit unsure if they were able to figure him out in the end, or if it was just another lie.
And that's why Kokichi is the best worst character in the series. He's the worst because he's an absolute bastard that plays with peoples' lives even while he's (maybe) trying to save them and has an absolute blast doing so, and he's the best because every single bit about him, from the writing down to the voice acting delivering, is top notch.
And Case 6 is a doozy. It's been about, what, four or five days since I beat it, and I still am trying to come to terms with it.
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Just a personal thing: I don't think it redeemed, or it meant to redeem, Kokichi. Kokichi's a bastard, and he always was a bastard till the moment he died. His actions were inexcusable, and neither the game nor the characters try to excuse them. What the game does is make him more understandable, but at the same time insert that bit of ambiguity that makes everyone a bit unsure if they were able to figure him out in the end, or if it was just another lie.
And that's why Kokichi is the best worst character in the series. He's the worst because he's an absolute bastard that plays with peoples' lives even while he's (maybe) trying to save them and has an absolute blast doing so, and he's the best because every single bit about him, from the writing down to the voice acting delivering, is top notch.
I certainly don't think the intent or my impression was that he was a good person at any time, but he wasn't a pure evil person like he tried to pass himself off as. He was a terrible person with pretty terrible motivations, but is at least sort of understandable on his own terms.
And yeah, he wouldn't have worked at all without the pitch-perfect delivery from the writing team, his voice actor, or the artists.
And Case 6 is a doozy. It's been about, what, four or five days since I beat it, and I still am trying to come to terms with it.
I don't know whether to be concerned by that or not. I do really want to plow through and finish it this weekend, but there's only so much my heart can take from this game. Chapter five left me in a good place, but I seriously doubt the ending is going to be all happy...
Wild ending speculation possibly including spoilers from marketing material:
My for the ending, based on something Kokichi said offhand a while ago, the very beginning of the game where the first meeting with the Monokubs happens twice, and what amounts to spoilers from the announcement of the game, is that there's a time travel element and the ending will involve a choice between the survivors continuing their mission and trying to rebuild humanity or using a time machine to go back and stop themselves from ever leaving Earth in the first place.
I'm assuming that Earth was not completely destroyed but was badly damaged, and that they have to choose between trying to help rebuild after the meteors or start over on Earth-2. This seems to be sort of corroborated by the revelation that there are in fact other surviving humans, but information that's come to light since then makes me wonder if we're not actually hundreds of years in the future after all. Maybe it's just a few decades later, so no contrived time travel would be necessary to create the choice between leaving Earth or staying. Which means that there might not be a chance or a necessity of undoing all of the deaths after all.
I had also been assuming that one person would need to stay behind to operate the time machine, and that that person would be Kaito. But since Kaito is dead that thematic loop has kind of been closed.
I don't know what to keep my fingers crossed for. On one hand I want everyone to be okay, but on the other hand this franchise has already pulled one ludicrous "lol nevermind everyone was actually okay after all" ending twist, and that one had considerably more setup than this hypothetical ending would, so a miraculous last-second reversal might feel too cheap.
Edit:
Wait a minute... This is probably nonsense but is/was Kaede the real Ultimate Despair? That would explain a lot of things... And admittedly raise a lot of difficult questions, but that just popped into my head and it's weirdly making a lot of sense to me right now.
Edit:
Sixth investigation:
Oh fuuuuck she totally iiiiis! Everything lines up. This covers up a lot of plot holes. It all makes sense.
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Alright, game complete.
I see what people mean, of course.
I understand why people might not like the ending. It's explicitly formulated to pick on the kind of person who would play Danganonpa, since these games only really work if you can get invested in the characters and it almost feels like the game is dumping on you for liking it. And in a way it kind of is. But it's definitely not nihilistic, and the epilogue does help settle things into a place where they're easier to swallow.
I'm not sure I love the ending, but I at least like it. Which probably isn't surprising given my love for Evangelion which has a similar ending. I don't think I could fault anyone for hating it. But it's a bold choice, and I respect bold choices.
Do you guys think this completely closes the door on the franchise? Does an ending like that make another Danganronpa title impossible? Or at least, do you think it was the dev team's intent that this was the absolute final chapter?
Also, are we under the assumption that everyone who died in the game was actually murdered? I guess they would have to be since this wasn't a simulation or anything, but it seems like that would have been a much bigger focus of the last trial than it was if so.
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Well, if you think about it, the DR1 and DR2 participants died whether it was real or a game show. It's not like that fact changed for the DRV3 people.
Anyway, aren't you glad they used Clair de Lune in the proper context? I can forgive them for chapter 1 now.
:derp:
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Not really, it still made me feel weird and bad. But that's my problem. :D
Having slept on it, I think the thing that I like the most about the ending is that its themes kind of dare you to choose to love it. It's saying "It's up to you whether you still think Kaito's sacrifice was beautiful". But if you liked it before don't you owe it yourself to take ownership of it now even though you know now how ultimately pointless it was? In a way it has much more resonance now than it did then, it's a far less pointless act, even if everything leading up to it feels hollow now.
There's a kind of bizarre honesty and understanding to that that I find weirdly satisfying despite how traditionally unsatisfying it is. What it comes down to is, at least for me, the ending left me feeling good. Much more so than I expected. And I think maybe that's why. I can still love Kaito and Maki and Shuichi and Kaede's relationship, I can still choose to find it meaningful, and in a sort of twisted way it actually means more now.
Edit: You know, it just dawned on me how crazily perfect the Claire De Lune thing actually is. I can choose to love Car Boys after all. I loved it then and it was fiction then, and nothing has changed. It's almost eerie how perfectly that works.
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Real quick thoughts on case 1 before I start case 2:
Having the main character get killed was a pretty bold move that I really wanted to appreciate, but instead of Kaede being killed as the victim of of case 2 (which would have been an incredible shocker) we get a lightly reheated version of DR 2-5 that lacked impact and kinda made me angry since we're back to a bog-standard DR hero instead of having a girl MC. Even reversing their roles would have been more interesting if it meant we got to play as Kaede after case 1. It feels like a tremendously wasted opportunity and lost potential to...not buck the trend of guy MCs?
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Real quick thoughts on case 1 before I start case 2:
Having the main character get killed was a pretty bold move that I really wanted to appreciate, but instead of Kaede being killed as the victim of of case 2 (which would have been an incredible shocker) we get a lightly reheated version of DR 2-5 that lacked impact and kinda made me angry since we're back to a bog-standard DR hero instead of having a girl MC. Even reversing their roles would have been more interesting if it meant we got to play as Kaede after case 1. It feels like a tremendously wasted opportunity and lost potential to...not buck the trend of guy MCs?
Agreed, especially since I feel like the game was kind of advertised on the merits of a protagonist with a useless ultimate ability. It's a crazy move and has constant ripples throughout the rest of the game, it definitely isn't a throwaway decision. But still, I can't help but be kind of disappointed by it.
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So, i've just started it. First impressions. I want to murder most of the cast.
Mr Detective, Evil Overlord kid and Kaede are the only likeable characters so far. Amnesiac dood reminds me of Nagito and i am not sure if that's a good thing.
Edit: Hearing new Monokuma's
voice is weird. It doesn't quite match the original. Like there's not enough Monokuma
in it.
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It weirdly gets way better as the game goes along? For some reason he seems to be doing a Mickey Mouse impression or something for the first chunk of the game, but that's temporary. He sounds perfect for most of it in my opinion.
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Do you guys think this completely closes the door on the franchise? Does an ending like that make another Danganronpa title impossible? Or at least, do you think it was the dev team's intent that this was the absolute final chapter?
Maybe that's their intention, but I doubt it's that. Who could say that they can't make another game, taking place in an alternate universe with fresh new twists? Even if the creators wanted to stop with V3, they might be forced to make another DR game. Or a new set of devs could be given control of the franchise to do that, if they resist that much. Kind of reminds me of how Tales started out, now that I think about it.
Real quick thoughts on case 1 before I start case 2:
Having the main character get killed was a pretty bold move that I really wanted to appreciate, but instead of Kaede being killed as the victim of of case 2 (which would have been an incredible shocker) we get a lightly reheated version of DR 2-5 that lacked impact and kinda made me angry since we're back to a bog-standard DR hero instead of having a girl MC. Even reversing their roles would have been more interesting if it meant we got to play as Kaede after case 1. It feels like a tremendously wasted opportunity and lost potential to...not buck the trend of guy MCs?
Is having a girl MC really that big of a deal? I would have preferred it myself, since it'd be a nice change of pace, but I just think you're overstating the importance of the decision to go with yet another guy MC. I think that having an MC that's not too much like the previous ones is a lot more artistically-important, guy or no.
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Vague general spoilers
So what do you guys think of the Monokubs?
I found them annoying at first, but they definitely grew on me. Not really sure I understand what the point of them was, they didn't really do much that Monkuma couldn't have done, but giving Monokuma more characters to bounce off of set up some good jokes. Some of them (by which I mean "not Monokid") are genuinely kind of likable, I definitely feel sort of bad for them for having such a terrible robo-dad...
Edit:
Ending spoilers
Oh yeah, did Kaede have a twin sister or not? As far as I can tell that was just some kind of bizarre red herring, which is fair enough I guess, it genuinely did throw me off for a while in the last case. But was it a total fabrication? Did I miss something there?
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Oh yeah, did Kaede have a twin sister or not? As far as I can tell that was just some kind of bizarre red herring, which is fair enough I guess, it genuinely did throw me off for a while in the last case. But was it a total fabrication? Did I miss something there?
You're not alone. Till this day I wonder if she was supposed to be a participant too. I guess it's a fabrication on the production's behalf, though.
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Even if the creators wanted to stop with V3, they might be forced to make another DR game. Or a new set of devs could be given control of the franchise to do that, if they resist that much.
How appropriate given the last trial.
Also, is there a way to view the epilogue again without going through all of trial 6? I couldn't find it in the event or movie collections.
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Haven't played that much, since i more or less only play it while commuting.
Kinda gave up on trying to clear the despair road minigame after a few dozen times. It just feels like it wants to be IWBTG and it's successful.
Things that bug me so far.
Kurumi has spiderwebs on her dress. That feels kind of unmaid'ish. And she does not feel like a maid in general. I think she might be yet another serial killer or something.
I got a music sheet from monokuma machine. The only musician in the group is Kaede. Is she going to gift it to herself?
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Kinda gave up on trying to clear the despair road minigame after a few dozen times. It just feels like it wants to be IWBTG and it's successful.
I'm almost certain it's impossible.
I got a music sheet from monokuma machine. The only musician in the group is Kaede. Is she going to gift it to herself?
Maybe the boy she likes would enjoy learning about her hobby..?
(I have no idea what it's for, never tried to use it. Possibly postgame stuff, I haven't looked into the postgame modes too much yet.)
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I got a music sheet from monokuma machine. The only musician in the group is Kaede. Is she going to gift it to herself?
I gave it to Korekiyo, since it was described as a lost composition. Seemed to work.
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I gave it to Korekiyo, since it was described as a lost composition. Seemed to work.
I didn't talk to Koreyiko
because he seemed like an asshole
. Good thinking though, that makes sense.
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Ending spoilers:
I've got a crackpot theory about Kaede's twin.
Do you think she has something to do with the Necronomicon ritual? Assuming it was basically scripted that she was going to be the first killer then it makes sense to me that that decision was made precisely because the creators of the game knew they had a backup of her that they could unveil if the ritual was used. They probably just assumed that she would be the one chosen to be resurrected and may have had the twin ready as a replacement. When that didn't end up happening they rewrote some stuff about a twin being part of the Gofer Program with the intent to use it later and never had the chance, but she wasn't originally remembered to be a second person diagetically.
Presumably if this is the case then they would have programmed Kaede 2 to be evil or something, since the ritual isn't much of a motive if it doesn't lead to a death. And if that is true then presumably the twin died when the facility was destroyed, but it's not impossible that she was stored off-site or otherwise somewhere safe. Sequel fodder maybe?
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I've got a crackpot theory about Kaede's twin.
The Kaede's Twin thing was a total red herring. Keep in mind who alerted Shuichi to the "Twin" part of that document.
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The Kaede's Twin thing was a total red herring. Keep in mind who alerted Shuichi to the "Twin" part of that document.
That definitely makes the most sense, I'm just wildly speculating about whether it's a red herring based in some amount of fact. Tsumugi didn't intend for the game to end with the sixth trial, so it makes the most sense to me that if she was going to make something up to deflect attention from herself it would be something she could use again later. Possibly repurposing something she had intended to use earlier and already had ready but didn't get the chance to, rather than a whole cloth fabrication.
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Chapter 1 End.
Dear game, do kindly fuck off.
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Might want to brace yourself for a lot more of that...
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I'm almost certain it's impossible.
It's not impossible, just really really fucking hard. Stupidly hard. It's basically meant to be an optional challenge to hurl yourself at if you really want to.
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Might want to brace yourself for a lot more of that...
We'll see, i guess.
My thought process during second half of trial.
So far kinda standard. But where do they go with this..?
Oh...
Chiaki 5th trial PTSD flashback.
Oh, no...
Chiaki 5th trial PTSD flashback intensifies.
I call bullshit. That plan shouln't have worked for a number of reasons.
But i admit, when Kaede's red UI slowly turned off during her monologue and Shuichi's blue UI slowly turned on during his, that was kinda cool.
P.S. Korekiyo. He creeps the fuck out of me. If he isn't one of the killers, i'll eat my passport.
Edit: Oh, there's a casino... I guess, i know what i will be doing for the next few hours...
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So... Chapter 2.
Ryoma decided to sleep with the fishes.
Pre-trial thoughts.
Time of death is obviously important.
There was a black strip of cloth. That's likely a piece of killer's clothing. People who wear something black are: Maki, Himiko, Kirumi and Tsumugi.
Himiko is right out, Maki is out as well. She has done nothing, but guarded her "caregiver" lab, so noone discovers the awful truth. Plus you can't progress through her arc, which likely opens up later. That leaves Kirumi and Tsumugi. Could be either, i guess.
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So has anyone been playing the postgame content at all? I've been messing around with
Talent Plan/Monokuma's Test
this afternoon and they honestly seem kind of really good? Maybe things will get super grindy
later but so far I'm pretty impressed with the mechanics. At first I assumed you could just grind a character through Talent Plan over and over to grind up your stats, but you have to reset from scratch each time which means it's not about repetition, it's about planning your route efficiently (and some luck). Presumably the higher-tier cards will change this up some, I don't have any yet so I don't know how they change the gameflow, but I like what I see so far.
I just can't help but wish that this was a mobile game... I don't think Danganronpa proper is well-suited to the Vita at all, but this mode sure is which is actually making me slightly second guess my PS4 choice.
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Higher rarity cards get double the fragment/level gain from each square for the second tier, and I'd guess the third tier is 3x or 4x. Also, you can improve the gacha rate after every 10 levels you get through the dungeon. It seems to be a pretty interesting mode, but I'm only up to around level 25 now in the dungeon.
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It seems like fun, and of course
the fan service is amazing. Watching the different casts interact is adorable. It's morbidorable.
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Yeah, I really love all the cast interactions, and some of them are pretty hilarious too. Sorta reminds me of what some people expected to see in the DR3 Despair arc anime.
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Finished chapter 2. Well... Trial was a clusterfuck of what, where and why. Kokichi's real talent should be Ultimate Troll.
Currently at Chapter's 3 Free Time.
Overall i am enjoying it a lot so far.
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On floor 41 of Monokuma's Test. The one S-rank card I don't have from DR1 is Chihiro. And I've pulled three U-rank Tokos somehow.
I have an absolutely insaneballs minmaxed Maki following a successful Monokub Surgery, the one time I've ever seen that event actually pop up
and she pretty much let me singlehandedly roll all of floors 31-40 barring the super obnoxious end boss.
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(https://puu.sh/y0N30/db766e66f4.jpg)
imo the surgery
is absolutely essential for ez dungeon clearing, especially if you're a mage type who can't clear the yearly exams easily with scrub teammates. Pretty sure my Miu here received that treatment because iirc I only put her on one round of normal course and she's only S-rank.
Also included my Nagito because I built him as a meme but he did surprisingly well against the level 30 boss, critting for 600+ so the boss never got a single hit in. I imagine going full crit is only really effective at U-rank.
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(https://imgur.com/lyzuTEH.png)
Leveling U-rank characters actually takes a lot of planning because, at least assuming you get the surgery event (and I did the one time I've done it so far) you'll cap your level and end up with more shards than you can use. So balancing that out with events and friend encounters is necessary to not be wasteful. Probably means that getting an optimal-ish build for a U-rank character will tend to take a few tries.
Edit: Incidentally, Gonta specced around using Sacrifice is really good. Definitely seems to be what he's made for and makes running glass cannons a lot easier.
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Cleared Chapter 3.
Nods to DR 1 & 2 were kinda nice. Culprit was wholly unsurprising. And even more creepy than usual. Well, now the game killed pretty much all the characters that annoyed me, so that's good.
And i just finished Chapter 4 Free Time. So... Completed Maki's a.k.a. Ultimate Assassin's report card and the skill i get is a) expensive as hell (32) b) pretty much useless for the main game and only useful in the post game for grinding monocoins by clearing a trial repeatedly. WTF?
P.S. Kokichi is like Nagito 2.0 but minus all the creepy and with his troll throttle firmly stuck on FULL.
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Cleared Chapter 3. Nods to DR 1 & 2 were kinda nice. Culprit was wholly unsurprising. And even more creepy than usual. Well, now the game killed pretty much all the characters that annoyed me, so that's good.
Yeah, from this point on you know it's only going to be characters you like who die...
And i just finished Chapter 4 Free Time. So... Completed Maki's a.k.a. Ultimate Assassin's report card and the skill i get is a) expensive as hell (32) b) pretty much useless for the main game and only useful in the post game for grinding monocoins by clearing a trial repeatedly. WTF?
I had it equipped for most of the game after I got it. It's pretty useful. For buying stuff from the casino if nothing else.
P.S. Kokichi is like Nagito 2.0 but minus all the creepy and with his troll throttle firmly stuck on FULL.
Kokichi is a hell of a character. I think he polled as second most popular in the game which isn't really surprising. I'm guessing he would rank fairly high in overall series popularity as well.
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Oh, right speaking of...
Either i am totally off track, but if you fill the gaps that mysterious tablet reads "This world is mine. Kokichi Oma". Unless there are some other letters that fit.
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(https://puu.sh/y2v87/a5ddabef4b.png)
I can finally say I maxed out a gacha. So this is what being a whale feels like.
Edit: Also, minmaxing too hard in talent plan isn't ideal because you'll hit the 999 cap way too easily due to how the item bonuses stack. This won't be an issue most of the time but my Sonia hit the focus cap very early and just rammed into the Int cap. On floor 91 now, not sure how I'll handle the boss rush at 99/100 given I almost wiped on the floor 90 boss.
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Hummm... Chapter 4 pre-trial thoughts.
Miu wanted to kill Kokichi. She made a warp wall that let her move between 2 sides of the map, That same warp wall also moved signboard. So, she forcibly logged out Kaito, arranged for a meeting with Kokichi to bonk him on the head and uh... Then things kinda went weird. She somehow died. Also there was toilet paper, which is important, but i have no idea how yet.
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So... Uh... Chapter 5 happened. I have no words beyond "HOLY SHIT".
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I've seen a lot of people compare
Kokichi and Nagito
, but I genuinely don't see it at all, aside from the not quite a good guy not quite a bad guy anti-hero thing.
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How
delightfully... META
.
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So I just walked in the door and my roommate was playing (my copy of) V3. He was on the
end of the first trial
and just walking past it bummed me out. Oof. I finished you game, quit bullying me... :V
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(https://puu.sh/yc2a0/26169c7994.png)
So...this is the power of the ultimate weapon. Just need to craft the highest tier armor so I can have 999 health as well. The second to last weapon basically sets your str/int/agi to 999 as long as your base is high enough.
Anyway, this is me on floor 100 right before the final final boss. That was a fun little diversion. I almost want to play a real rpg now.
Edit: It's over. Replaced Kirigiri with a cure/healbot Sayaka and combined with Angie that meant my other 2 carries were free to keep attacking nonstop. Huzzah.
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I'm definitely going to finish it once I dig myself out from under all the other recent new games. I haven't really spent much time with the other other traditional postgame mode either. This game does have a shocking amount of postgame content.
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I don't think Danganronpa proper is well-suited to the Vita at all, but this mode sure is which is actually making me slightly second guess my PS4 choice.
I don't know why this is spoilered but the ability to shoot white noise with the rear touchpad makes the Vita the best console for DR
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Hey, spoilering stuff here just became a habit :v
Chapter 2:
After hearing about what Kirumi's execution is supposed to symbolize, I'm led to believe it's just trolling on Monokuma's part, or maybe something to help alleviate the pain of someone like Kirumi getting executed. I mean, considering everything she did before she saw her motive video, I think it's very unlikely she betrayed the rest of the cast out of pure selfishness more than anything. She seemed too sincere about her stated duty (selfless devotion) to do that. Too sincere in more ways than one :v
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What the fuck did I just play.
(game end spoilers)I'm going to need a while to digest all of this. Even though I had been hit with some spoilers ("Kaede was the first culprit", "Gonta dies", "Tenko dies", "Tsumugi dresses up as Junko at some point") thanks to internet being internet, I was fully satisfied with the plot twists. Just.... that ending. There are so many layers of meta and irony on top of it that it makes my head spin, which is a good and bad thing. Good, because it's making me think and be introspective, but bad, because I didn't have a rush of feelings at the end like I did with SDR2. It was exhilarating in an exhausting way-- and I think the lack of true satisfaction at the end was absolutely intentional-- they put the epilogue in for closure so it's not entirely a feelbad bummer story, but the fact that the game was straight up calling out people who play it for finding joy in watching people, even if they're fictional, die and have to fight for hope over despair as emotional payoff-- and ending that game without the payoff... kind of feels right? It doesn't feel GOOD but it feels right.
And I really have to think that this may genuinely be the end of the Danganronpa series-- not just because of how the story plays out, but also because the producer (or one of them) left Spike Chunsoft recently. And honestly, I think I may be okay with that. This is a goddamn fantastic series and I'd hate to see it become overdone and overstay its welcome. And after an ending as surreal and absurd as this one, is it even possible to top it? I really don't think so.
Also: How do you get into that RPG game? Is it an extra you have to unlock after doing the Talent Plan or whatever? I'm not really feeling up to doing a bunch more right now, but I'll definitely poke at it later.
Also also: I have heard that That Kumasutra love house actually has a role in the game, but I never figured it out. What's that all about? I don't mind some light spoilers as to how to involve it. (I never messed with the casino much, for what it's worth.)
Also also also (endgame spoilers): Tsumugi actually drops an... interesting hint that I actually thought was an oversight but may be 100% intentional. In the first piece of her FTE, she says she's so plain, even her underwear is plain white. When you get her panties at the end of her FTE route, they're black and decorative, which means either the writers messed up, or it was a hint that she's a total liar and not who she claims to be. Also, can I just say I fucking love how she turned out? I think I may like her just as much as I like Junko.
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On accessing the Kumasutra:
Purchase a key of love for 10,000 coins at the casino and hit night time when you're in a free time phase.
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What the fuck did I just play.
(game end spoilers)I'm going to need a while to digest all of this. Even though I had been hit with some spoilers ("Kaede was the first culprit", "Gonta dies", "Tenko dies", "Tsumugi dresses up as Junko at some point") thanks to internet being internet, I was fully satisfied with the plot twists. Just.... that ending. There are so many layers of meta and irony on top of it that it makes my head spin, which is a good and bad thing. Good, because it's making me think and be introspective, but bad, because I didn't have a rush of feelings at the end like I did with SDR2. It was exhilarating in an exhausting way-- and I think the lack of true satisfaction at the end was absolutely intentional-- they put the epilogue in for closure so it's not entirely a feelbad bummer story, but the fact that the game was straight up calling out people who play it for finding joy in watching people, even if they're fictional, die and have to fight for hope over despair as emotional payoff-- and ending that game without the payoff... kind of feels right? It doesn't feel GOOD but it feels right.
And I really have to think that this may genuinely be the end of the Danganronpa series-- not just because of how the story plays out, but also because the producer (or one of them) left Spike Chunsoft recently. And honestly, I think I may be okay with that. This is a goddamn fantastic series and I'd hate to see it become overdone and overstay its welcome. And after an ending as surreal and absurd as this one, is it even possible to top it? I really don't think so.
I feel like we kind of had similar feelings about the ending if I'm understanding what you're saying here. I walked away from it feeling kind of empty, but also good. The ending feels surprisingly great and pretty bad at the same time. It's nothing if not a bold and interesting choice.
Also: How do you get into that RPG game? Is it an extra you have to unlock after doing the Talent Plan or whatever? I'm not really feeling up to doing a bunch more right now, but I'll definitely poke at it later.
You unlock it after beating Talent Plan once. I do kind of recommend people check it out after beating the main game because it's such fluffy fanservice that it kind of complements and balances out the main game's ending.
Also also: I have heard that That Kumasutra love house actually has a role in the game, but I never figured it out. What's that all about? I don't mind some light spoilers as to how to involve it. (I never messed with the casino much, for what it's worth.)
There's an expensive item in the casino that unlocks it. It gives you a random cutscene in an alternate universe where Shuichi is dating, or at least intimately close to, a random surviving character. It pulls from the entire cast including the male characters which is nice, and the cutscenes are pretty interesting. I think you only get one per game though and you can get duplicates, which means there's not reeeeally a point in trying to do it aside from probably getting an achievement since you'll want to look them up anyway to see all of them.
You can also use it in the postgame visual novel, which gives you access to the whole cast including characters who die before the casino is unlocked in the main game.
Also also also (endgame spoilers): Tsumugi actually drops an... interesting hint that I actually thought was an oversight but may be 100% intentional. In the first piece of her FTE, she says she's so plain, even her underwear is plain white. When you get her panties at the end of her FTE route, they're black and decorative, which means either the writers messed up, or it was a hint that she's a total liar and not who she claims to be. Also, can I just say I fucking love how she turned out? I think I may like her just as much as I like Junko.
Huh. Interesting.
I can't help but be pretty lukewarm to Tsumugi. I like what she represents, but she isn't that charismatic herself. Especially since you can't help but compare her to Kokichi even though he didn't actually end up really being a villain.
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https://twitter.com/Arbys/status/930480445589880833
Begrudgingly buzz marketing Arby's because this made me laugh.