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~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Topic started by: Bardiche on August 01, 2011, 08:12:16 AM

Title: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 01, 2011, 08:12:16 AM
And I'm totes serious about it, because while Diplomacy has that delicious warmongering nonsense about it, what I'm about to suggest is an IRC game (SHOCK AND AWE) of about one hour or two per session. It'd be fun if you had the time for it. It's a game for 3-6 people, with one of them being the mod. So realistically, 3-5 people. For the purposes of gameplay fun, I might just make the President a player, though, but their role will be very minor... anyway!

What's the goal of the game and what is it, you ask?

The game is called Executive Decision, and the goal of the game is to advance your political agenda by convincing the President. You do this by real life arguing over an issue, presenting your opinions and options, or ASSERTING (game move) that a specific outcome would follow your actions. The President assigns you a party to be with or a position (Secretary of Treasury, etc), and it is expected you pretend to be just that and further the agenda of your party 2 da max etc.

Along the way, as time passes, new information rolls in. The President makes his decision at the end of the session, and if he picks a decision that is negative for an agenda you oppose, gain a point! If you ASSERTED things and it's true, you also get a point! If it was beneficial for your agenda, guess what! Another point!

A download to the rulebook is here (http://www.mediafire.com/?y9tnl79azzenvwz), and the author offers it for free on his site so it's totes legal. It's actually two files, as you'll see the last few pages are mirrored, but as that is important for gameflow, I excluded it and ask you not look for it until after the game! (I'll even provide it then etc)

Anyway, after all sessions, whoever has the most points wins the game. I'd like to run a three session game, so three times two hours on different days, and see how it works out if at all. Obviously needs some adjustments for IRC action which I will no doubt make, and it requires some active time, but if you perform well your country will flourish!!

We can adjust flavour to be Touhou if you want but obviously I'd need some help rewriting flavour to that if people deem it necessary, otherwise it'll be standard Executive Decision etc.

So from just that, are any people interested in a game of political shenanigans? :D


EDIT: It's actually one hour per issue, so one hour of debates and reactions etc. Two hours if you feel you need the extra time, but I imagine we should run one hour first and extend it to more in later sessions if it seems necessary.

EDIT2: We could also potentially play this over the forum, but then it'd require a longer time-span. I'm totes fine with it if it gives people more time to write out eloquent arguments and such, but the danger of fast movement could be lost. Momentum, and all. If a majority prefers PlayByPost, I'm prepared to run with that and prepare the game for it, and it's certainly doable, but it loses a little flair.

I'll even let people hydra this game if they want to. :V
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 02, 2011, 12:27:13 AM
I'd be up for a forum game, if anyone else is.

Would agendas and such be assigned or not?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 02, 2011, 07:37:50 AM
I'd probably randomise three agendas and give you a pick of one of them in addition to your standard agenda, unless you're the agriculture dude who can pick one from any, then be presented the three agendas etc. Just to avoid everyone going for Voter's Satisfaction or something!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Pesco on August 02, 2011, 07:46:43 AM
Will you marry me?

Discuss

(Not really :V)
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 02, 2011, 01:23:32 PM
Pesco has suddenly requested someone to marry him! The council is in an uproar- marriage? On my internets? It shouldn't be more likely than people think. The conservatists have already begun to cry foul, while the progressive parties push you to take charge of this issue by immediately approving of the marriage. With the internets in a turmoil and the council arguing fiercely among itself, it's difficult which decision carries the most support as yet. What will you do?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 02, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
Pesco has suddenly requested someone to marry him! The council is in an uproar- marriage? On my internets? It shouldn't be more likely than people think. The conservatists have already begun to cry foul, while the progressive parties push you to take charge of this issue by immediately approving of the marriage. With the internets in a turmoil and the council arguing fiercely among itself, it's difficult which decision carries the most support as yet. What will you do?

As the Secretary of Defence, I'd suggest we buy more tanks and airplanes to take part in the wedding procession.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 02, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
A new development has occured! The neighbouring forums have caught wind of the spectacle and have begun covering the event in their local news bulletins and threads. Your own forum population is still in turmoil, and it's still impossible to tell a majority despite your moderators' best attempts. But the neighbouring countries are clear and adamant - say No to the marriage.

The neighbouring countries expect you to make a newsbulletin, and their moderators will scourge your forums in thirty minutes. There are four things you could do.

1) Tell 'em to suck it. Just sod the hell off and mind your own business. Refuse to comment about the situation.
2) Denounce the marriage. Marriage? In my MOTK? I think not.
3) Accept the marriage. And all the other forums can still suck it, but you're not swinging the banhammer around.
4) Ban the enemy. Obvious.

Naturally, whatever you tell the other forums doesn't necessarily need to be what you're doing, but you best discuss with your council. The other forums expect your response in thirty minutes, after all.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 02, 2011, 02:41:03 PM
As Secretary of State, I issue a statement that foreign moderation will be seen as interfering with our forum's internal affairs.  As such, it is a violation of our sovereignty, and will not be tolerated.  Tell 'em to suck it.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 02, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
As Secretary of State, I issue a statement that foreign moderation will be seen as interfering with our forum's internal affairs.  As such, it is a violation of our sovereignty, and will not be tolerated.  Tell 'em to suck it.
Tell them to suck it with MORTAR CANNONS.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 02, 2011, 03:11:51 PM
That's the spirit! See, we can totes get a fun game going if we get enough participation~
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 02, 2011, 03:14:25 PM
I'm going to go ahead and make an assertion that if this got running, it would be awesome.

Although people will be tempted to cheat and read the scenarios, so I'd suggest making our own and having the writer of the scenario act as president.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 02, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
Ya, I'd love to do this.  But I'd prefer it as a forum game (because I somehow can't chat it up in IRC)
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 02, 2011, 07:07:36 PM
Just a thought-Should we advertise this on the IRC channel or not?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 02, 2011, 08:46:44 PM
I'll go lobby in MotkTown for suckerscandidates.

And yeah, I figured I should write some scenarios myself and run as the President for the first bit. Of course, that means I'll know the best actions beforehand, but it means you could potentially write-in a solution. :P

Probably use 48 hour days then, and present the choice options at set time intervals whenever possible. Thankfully the original game has variable times at which the new information rolls in so I can be a badass and do just the same. :toot:
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 02, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
RIGHT, so there's interest on IRC.

So sign-ups: I'll permit Hydras as I don't really care for game balancing in that respect, and it's STILL down to the best arguer. Hydras may be up to five people with one spokesman.

All the original rules are in play with three differences:

1) At the start of the game, before anyone has been granted a "role", you will all VOTE: someone to President. Whoever has second-most votes will become Vice President. This is not debatable. You must /in for President to be permitted to run for President, and you cannot vote someone who has not /in'd for President.

Even if you do not plan to participate in the game, you may vote someone President. :V Votes are tallied when sign-ups close, which close upon reaching a player count of 6 or until 24 hours have passed after the first vote has been cast, whichever happens la

2) The flavour is not America. You get to play as yourself as a member of a cabinet in Kaleidoscopedia, which is a tiny country somehwere in the middle of nowhere, to which you got transported by MAGIC or some such. I ain't gotta explain it etc. All functions will still be titled the same, though.

3) I'll permit issue-submissions. You may submit me an issue you'd like the Executive Board to discuss and decide upon. Please provide all information you deem relevant to creating the issue.

I'll write the issues myself and act as moderator for this game, assisting the President/Vice President where necessary. I'll handle all the logistics, the President need only concern himself with choosing what is best for Kaleidoscopedia. Its future rests in your hands.

The game ends when someone reaches 12 points, or interest has died, whichever happens first.

4/6 signups:
Momijibot
ActionDan
PX/K4me
Lambda

0 President Candidates
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 02, 2011, 10:16:11 PM
/confirming sign up

Will we be using a private IRC channel?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 02, 2011, 10:25:27 PM
We'll just do it on the forums, Momi. ;)
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 02, 2011, 10:26:22 PM
Kitten4PX hydra gogogo
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 02, 2011, 10:58:16 PM
/confirming that you have spelled my handle correctly

I can play by myself, but if anyone wants to Hydra with me, well that's twice the fun.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Kitten4u on August 02, 2011, 11:26:59 PM
Kitten4PX hydra gogogo
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 03, 2011, 12:16:02 AM
Lambda's gone /in and all, which means we're up to 4/6.

Which means I'll probably pick one of you at random to be the President. >:( Because I already know best-case scenario and attempts to convince me from doing what is best FOR EVERYONE!! may not work out.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 03, 2011, 12:38:29 AM
We'll just do it on the forums, Momi. ;)

:*

Also where is a clapping emoticon when you need one

Also
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 03, 2011, 01:05:57 AM
Damn, the img is too big. Oh well

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/clap.gif
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 03, 2011, 02:26:54 AM
/in for President.
Vote Zakeri; He's scum :]

Besides, I've been waiting for an argument game where I can actually just give in to my basest whims and just do what everybody else tells me to do.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 03, 2011, 02:45:34 AM
I have one more spot, then, and barring other candidates for President, Zakeri will become President. :V
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 03, 2011, 04:04:15 AM
/in to hydra with whoever wants Shadoweh first. <^_^> Politics isn't really my thing but I can banter!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 03, 2011, 04:26:53 AM
How could I possibly refuse that offer?  I accept the burden!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 03, 2011, 04:33:38 AM
Anyone, anyone at all! Any person who counts as a real person!
Oh well okay~ I-it's not like I wanted anyone in specific, don't misunderstand!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 04:52:09 AM
Fuck that noise.
Hydras are OP.
/in solo

Additionally, I shall be running for President.
My first action will be to deal with all these hydras.
How, you may ask?
Simple. I have but one word as an answer.
Nukes.
A solution to all problems can be achieved with a sufficiently large explosion.
As president, I shall supply these explosions.
So vote for me.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 03, 2011, 04:59:33 AM
<@Keine-tan> I want to hydra with someone! ^_^
Dan, I suggest we take Keine up on her gracious offer.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 03, 2011, 05:50:03 AM
Players of the Game, in recent news, a political opponent for President has appeared across me.
While I can not say for certain that my views may be more in line with your own than his will. I do know one thing that I and you, the people, do agree on.

I support the Hydras. I support the people who are willing to sit back, and discuss rationally with their peers. I support the masses who choose to seek information before argument. I support any movement that will allow our Nation's brightest to more capably handle the crises our nation will no doubt need to overcome.

My opponent however has threatened to destroy those who would attempt to join together. Have we not joined together in order to discuss these important matters? A Nation divided is a Nation no more, and I will not have us become no more.

Support me in the race, and I will support all of you, as individuals.
Vote Zakeri!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Pesco on August 03, 2011, 06:22:21 AM
As the neutral Arbitrator of RPG, I will oversee the applications of Zakeri and Dormio for Presidency. The discussion is now open to the Lords and Ladies present to give their shouts of Aye or Nay.

/hijack :V
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 10:06:59 AM
What's that?
Hydras are good?
We should sit down and talk?
What's next, we should all sit in a big circle and give each other flowers?
Kaleidoscopedia has no need for a president that will not TAKE ACTION!
Hear me, people.
Think deep for a moment, even if thinking goes against the Kaleidoscopian ways.
Do you honestly believe that such a coward should be given a position of power?
Do you people know what a coward does?
They lurk in the shadows.
They scheme behind people's backs.
They look out only for themselves.
They carry many hidden agendas of their own.
Who knows which one of you he'll stab first in order to achieve his own goals?

From me, you can expect nothing but the truth.
The honest, brutal truth.
If I want something, I will say that I want it.
None of that cowardly "let's hold hands and discuss but secretly I don't care about any of your opinions."
I will tell you, openly, right now: I do not care about your opinions.
What I care about is doing what is good for all of Kaleidoscopedia.
And if this involves the liberal application of nuclear weaponry, which I believe it does, then you know who you should vote for.

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Captain Infinity on August 03, 2011, 11:51:16 AM
##Vote: Dormio

This is Mafia obv :V
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 03, 2011, 03:41:20 PM
As with regards to the current presidential affair, I will, as of right now, stay neutral. I can, quite easily, place my faith in either candidate-as it stands, however, because of the new and previously unexplored nature of this game, I am unsure as to how applicable each candidate's skill-sets are. For this post, I will be examining their arguments.

While Ran-shama does provide a strong pitch, his pitch may in fact be detrimental to the game for a small number of reasons. Firstly, if there are no hydras then we cannot imagine things like Suwako with Kanako and Sanae's head, each saying "minemineminemineminemineminemineminemine".
 Secondly, the absence of one part of the hydra is a -lot- less damaging to the game than the absence of a solo player. If the solo is lost, then 1/6th of the game grinds to a halt. However, if we only lose one head of the hydra, including or excluding the spokesperson, then in their absence it may be agreed upon that a second speaker could take their place, keeping the game going.
 Understandably, concerns may be raised regarding the potential power that a hydra has. This, my fellow congressmen, is easily overcome. Charisma is not accumulative and, for as many ideas as the hydra may has, it requires at least one of them to find a way to express them. If that one player was a solo, I have no doubts he would be just as powerful.

Conversely, Zakeri is too accepting of the Hydras, too accepting to allow the power they undeniably hold to spread. What hope does a single lord or lady stand against an army 10 strong? Why would the secretary of defence so much as step outside his office when the third member of the secretary for flower donations could just as easily take his place? Why would anyone play if the walls stopping them are insurmountable?

I would like to present the lord and ladies with a third solution-moderated hydras.
 Hydras can, if need be, act as a life support if one lord or lady is missing. Incidentally, they can break the game if they grow too strong, which is why I would like to suggest that we limit Hydras to no more than three people maximum-one person to act as the default spokesperson, one to act as a secondary spokesman, and a third to feel as if they were a part of something.
 Through this approach of Hydra moderation, I wish to address the concerns of both sides, and find the most amiable solution which will keep the game running. I want to watch this game flourish at its maximum efficiency. I want to watch this game create forum-long bonds. I want to watch this game, and its participants, flourish.

Of course, I cannot simply speak. As my honored colleague said, we must take action.

And so I shall.

Momijibot, representing hydra moderation, is standing for presidency.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 03, 2011, 04:49:31 PM
I speak from the perpective of a man whose cancerous mole on my right shoulder is slowly turning into an intelligent, albeit slightly tipsy, talking head.  I come from this life-altering experience to attest my faith in my hydra partner.  Not only has she miracalously cured my cancer, but now I have someone to talk to at night, when I'm all alone.  Therefore I'm looking for a Hydra friendly president.  This leaves Dormio out of the question, as nuking Hydras would also nuke their host, and I would die.  Between Momijibot and Zakeri, I find Momijibot to be actively overstretching Zakeri's modest and contructive vision.  Thus I would elect the more timid Zakeri to office, as he might be willing to listen more to our pleas.

##Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 03, 2011, 06:31:37 PM
Also it's a known fact Zakeri's avatars are the cutest. Even if I'm not sure what that thing is this time..
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 03, 2011, 08:10:07 PM
Dormio: 1
Zakeri: 1
Momijibot: 0
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 03, 2011, 08:47:47 PM
:toot: :derp:##Vote: Zakeri :derp: :toot:
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Conqueror on August 03, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
Just out of sign-ups and we're already posting walls?
*Yawn*
I'd vote for a President who understood the power of conciseness. Give me some catchy sound bites and empty slogans to work with here.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Kitten4u on August 03, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Yeah, voting is too much work.  I think I'm going to take a nap instead.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 09:31:04 PM
Vote Dormio: He Has Nukes And He Knows Where You Live
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 09:47:51 PM
Now, allow me to address you people of Kaleidescopedia once more.
Some of my opponents may call me an extremist.
But I must ask, is it being extreme to love one's country?
Is it extreme to want to fix the country's problems?
Is it extreme to want to defend yourself in case problems arise?
If you answered yes to any of the above, you are either a hippie or a communist, and you can get out of my country.
Ask yourselves.
If a rabid dog is attacking your family, who can you rely on?
Zakeri? Pffffffft. Good luck trying to get that hippie to do anything to that dog.
Momijibot? Fat chance. He's as much of a coward as Zakeri.
Myself? I will launch a tactical nuclear strike against the dog.
The dog's death will be quick and painless, it will be evaporated near instantly.
You may be horribly disfigured and/or killed by the process, but you can rest easy in knowing that the rabid dog will never threaten yourself or anyone else again.
Have you been stung by a bee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU)?
Simple. Nuke the hive.
Are you finding that it takes too much effort to go to work?
Nuke the workplace.
Sun too bright?
Nuke the sun.
No problem cannot be solved with a sufficiently large explosion.
Now, my opponents will likely argue that I am going too far in my efforts to solve every problem with nukes.
But is it really possible to go too far in simply loving one's country?

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Hero999 on August 03, 2011, 10:08:28 PM
##Vote Dormio
So he can end the world as we know it.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
I have a vote too.
##Vote Dormio
And you know what.
In addition to my promise to nuke every problem, no matter how insignificant, I will give you people one more thing.
If I win this election, I will write another ending in Shadoweh Quest.

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 10:10:43 PM
To add to the Shadoweh Quest conditions, if I can win with both of my opponents having no votes on them at all, I will write 10 more endings.

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 03, 2011, 10:28:44 PM
UNVOTES are impossible.

Dormio: 3
Zakeri: 2
Momijibot: 0
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: tbax704 on August 03, 2011, 10:40:52 PM
Quote
[05:40] <tbaxflan> hydras have potential < wut, that is so wrong
[05:41] <tbaxflan> google hydra
[05:41] <+Keine-tan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra
[05:41] <tbaxflan> greek mythology
[05:41] <tbaxflan> zzz

##Vote Dormio, but...

Just don't nuke the sun, we're all dead if you do that.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Pesco on August 03, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
##Vote Dormio
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 03, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
 :V Just because unvotes are impossible doesn't mean they're unpossible.

Or multiple votes

##Vote Dormio
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Peskkuri on August 03, 2011, 10:44:30 PM
##Vote Dormio
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Unesco on August 03, 2011, 10:45:13 PM
##Vote Dormio
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dr Rawr on August 03, 2011, 10:47:41 PM
Quote
[18:34]   <Akiyama_dorMio>   heyhey
[18:35]   <Akiyama_dorMio>   who here feels like helping an awesome cause?
[18:35]   <tbaxflan>   ^?
[18:35]   <Akiyama_dorMio>   http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.new;topicseen#new
[18:35]   <Keine-tan>   Title: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics! (at www.shrinemaiden.org)
[18:35]   <DrRawr>   only if it involves porn
[18:35]   <helvetica>   I don't!
[18:35]   <Akiyama_dorMio>   just type '##Vote Dormio' into that topic
[18:35]   <Akiyama_dorMio>   :V
[18:35]   <tbaxflan>   o-okay..
[18:36]   <Infinity>   DrRawr
[18:36]   <Infinity>   it involves dormio porn
[18:36]   <Infinity>   are you interested in helping?
[18:36]   <DrRawr>   naked pic of dormio
[18:36]   <DrRawr>   and he has my vote
[18:36]   <Infinity>   Akiyama_dorMio
[18:36]   <Infinity>   I secured you another vote

I EXPECT LARGE DINNER PLATE SIZE NIPPLES FROM YOU

##Vote Dormio
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 10:52:26 PM
@Rawr: (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2056/1751833442_409bf6068d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 03, 2011, 10:57:42 PM
Zakeri's gonna get quick-lynched again before he has the time to resond... O wait.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 03, 2011, 11:03:10 PM
Dormio has been lynched. He was a Mafia Communist.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 11:07:51 PM
Don't you mean:
American Hero!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 03, 2011, 11:10:25 PM
You... you guys do realize I only joined because nobody else wanted to be president? :ohdear:
Well, shit. I don't want to be the sort of person who threatens to quit because he didn't get what he wanted, but what do I do when the only reason I'm in the game was because nobody else wanted it? This is a pain.

##Vote: Zakeri since that seems to be allowed.

Also, Dormio, Your argument is that because I encouraged people to think about their actions, that makes me weak and cowardly. Do you really think killing off all of humanity is for the best? Because that's what nukes do. They kill off humanity. Why are people voting for the person who's trying to kill everyone? Why are people putting this man in control of Kaleidospoedia's nukes when every post, he's threatened to kill someone? He has yet to even make promise to not shoot the sun, despite the issue being brought up before. If he did, then it would annihilate the entire solar system, including our nation.

Trust me when I say a path of war, a path Dormio is trying to cut out with fear, will only end in our own ruin.
Do not let fear rule you.
Vote Zakeri.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 03, 2011, 11:14:02 PM
But seriously Zak should be President :V
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 03, 2011, 11:15:28 PM
An appeal to those who wish for conciseness:
Dormio is trying to kill you.
I will try to save our nation.

Which outcome do you prefer?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 03, 2011, 11:16:52 PM
Heck, I just put myself forward as an alternative fuck/love hydras, but whatever.

Momijibot is standing down

Also,
An appeal to those who wish for conciseness:
Dormio is trying to kill you.
I will try to save our nation.

Which outcome do you prefer?

##Vote:Dormio, Mafia Nukophiliac :dealwithit:
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 03, 2011, 11:22:14 PM
It's George Dubya all over again. :blush:
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 03, 2011, 11:28:51 PM
HYIIIIYYYYYHAWWW!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Conqueror on August 03, 2011, 11:34:20 PM
Dormio is the purveyor of broken promises. Those quest endings he's promising now? Those were supposed to be done weeks ago.

##Vote:Zakeri

Also, to all the people actually playing the game, I'm pretty sure that in the end Dormio will just ignore everyone's arguments and choose the path he likes most. :V
Also bribes and corruption etc.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 11:35:12 PM
My opponents are horribly misrepresnting me.
It is not my intent to kill all of you.
I intend to solve anything that I deem to be a threat with nuclear weaponry.
A thought for the masses.
Zakeri has admitted his cowardly ways.
Momijibot has offered nothing of note, content to sit on the fence regarding our issues.
Are these the types of people you want to lead?
Would you trust these people?
They may call my path to be one of war and fear.
What is my response?
And?
My path is one of domination.
A necessary step in order to guarantee our future.
I may be regarded as 'evil' or 'villanous' because of this.
I do not care.
If I must become evil for the greater good of Kaleidescopedia, then I shall become evil.
Unlike my pathetic opponents, I will not mix words.
Instead I will leave you with a question.
If Kaleidescopedia is about to be conquered by a larger nation, what will be our savior?
Flowers? Hugs? Or nukes?
Think hard, the answer should be obvious.

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 03, 2011, 11:37:50 PM
@Conqueror: I have said it before, I will not make a pretence about this like my opponents are trying to.
I do not care about your opinions.
I care about doing what is good for Kaleidescopedia.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Conqueror on August 03, 2011, 11:42:31 PM
I do not care about your opinions.
^This is Dormio's campaign slogan, folks.
Do you really think he will follow through on his pledges after all is said and done?
At least Zakeri can be bought with money and words. He can be controlled. Whereas Dormio is a loose cannon.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: ActionDan on August 03, 2011, 11:45:39 PM
I feel like this presidential election should be an IP contest.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 03, 2011, 11:47:48 PM
Dormio: 9
Zakeri: 4

Currently looks like Dormio'll become President. Zakeri may drop out of the game if he wants to and I won't care. :V
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 03, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
1)Zakeri has admitted his cowardly ways.
2)Momijibot has offered nothing of note, content to sit on the fence regarding our issues.
3)My path is one of domination.
4)If Kaleidescopedia is about to be conquered by a larger nation, what will be our savior?
Flowers? Hugs? Or nukes?
Think hard, the answer should be obvious.

-insert picture here (phone posting lol)-
1)Zakeri has admitted he is more likely to listen to the people.
2)I've already stood down.
3)As it stands, we are too small to dominate anything.
4)I would like to ask you a counter question.
   After we have sent our nukes, what do you suppose everyone else would do?
   Flowers? Hugs? Nukes?
   Think hard-I'm sorry, I've overestimated you. The answer is Nukes, by the way.
   And how would the Dormioship respond?
   With nukes! Oh, wait, all of our other nukes were nuked by everyone elses nukes, we don't have the fund to   start a potato farm, nethermind a nuke and the entire world has placed economic sanctions on us. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCaXycaYDhQ)
So-Nukes is it?
Think hard about this one.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 03, 2011, 11:55:25 PM
I promise to listen to each and every one of you.
I promise to listen to all concerns.
I promise that all people are treated equal under my rule.
I promise that I will think carefully, with your help, what the future of our nation needs.

Dormio only promises destruction.
Destruction begets destruction.

If our nation comes to war, then we will have war, but not for a moment sooner.
War, nukes, destruction. These are all things that should be reserved for our last resort, not our primary.
Tell me Dormio. What nation do you speak of? you say IF a large nation were to come and conquer us, you would be prepared to fight back. But then which nation do you speak of that is currently threatening us? Do you have plans in mind for whom we would go to war with?

Wisdom is not Cowardly.
Recklessness is not Bravery.
This position is an important position in our nation's history, and I intend to take it as seriously as I need to for the people's sake.
Vote for Wisdom to take the seat.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 12:16:04 AM
In regards to Momijibot's hypothetical situation, the answer is simple.
Other countries are led by beings like Zakeri.
They care about 'ethics' and 'morals'.
Their masses will not be able to, in good conscious, wipe out our entire nation.
I am sure that none of you would be willing to take this step either.
Which is why I am stepping up.
I am willing to take the full blame for my actions, I will not hide behind the cover of bureaucracy.
Momijibot asks: "What if we run out of nukes?"
We will not run out of nukes.
We are too small to dominate?
I am not bound by ethical restrictions.

Zakeri can be bought with words and money.
This is true.
May somebody explain to me why this is a good quality in a leader?
Leaders are chosen to lead, not to read.

To Zakeri: Any nation that acts aggressively towards us is our enemy and will have nuclear strikes launched against them.
And listen to him.
"Everybody is equal"?
These are the words of a COMMUNIST.

I recognize that not everybody is born equal.
Different people are gifted in different areas.
To try to ignore our individual freedoms and rights, will you people let this stand?

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 04, 2011, 12:18:05 AM
##Vote Zakeri

Dormio is clearly not going to listen to what any of us say.

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[17:24:35] <Akiyama_dorMio> Nuke the west coast of america is now on my to do list
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 04, 2011, 12:25:36 AM
Even though technically I am voting Ran in.

Let me ask you this: In what part of the world, at what time, in what insane universe is size an ethical issue?

My protest was more along the lines of "We are (and I quote the game-runner here)  a SMALL country. This means we have less resources, less money, less land and more importantly less nukes than the bigger ones. If we decide to start a NUCLEAR WAR against a LARGE country, we will be swiss cheese. Swiss, nuclear cheese.

While I do admire your devotion to integrity and such, I would rather such devotion is not directed in such a way as to inevitably lead to destroying Kaleidoscopia and its marvelous capital, Kalifornia.

The people do not want to die.
The people do not want to suffer long draughts of economic downturn in your futile attempts to keep the nuke supply stocked up.
The people do.not.want.a. in power.

Unless you post pics of yourself in an ice fairy costume, then the people might consider it.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 12:33:40 AM
I am not talking about size.
I am talking about the loss of human life.
Other countries will be far to afraid to launch their nuclear warheads against us due to the negative reputation they would receive for having wiped out an entire country.
I am not afraid to take away millions, or even billions, of lives in order to guarantee our own safety.
Whilst the other countries hesitate, we will strike hard and fast.
We will be the only ones left standing if that is what it comes to.
Nuclear War?
It will not reach that stage.
We will launch a pre-emptive counter attack against any country that poses a threat to us.
We may not have as many nukes as the larger countries, but we still have enough to wipe out the world three times over.

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 04, 2011, 12:38:44 AM
Don't you mean:
American Hero!

KOREAN!!!!!!!! COMMUNIST!!!! BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

##Vote Zakeri
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 12:43:41 AM
If you would rather have Zakeri, the true communist, be placed into a position of power, go ahead.
Be my guest.
However, do not come running back to me when Zakeri ruins the country, tainting it with his communist ways.
Do not ask me for help if you have an issue that could easily be solved with a large explosion, only to find that Zakeri is unwilling to supply these explosions.
When Zakeri's loyalties are bought by the highest bidder, do not wish that you had a leader that could truly lead instead of being a mere puppet to the rich.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 04, 2011, 12:44:45 AM
In regards to Momijibot's hypothetical situation, the answer is simple.
Other countries are led by beings like Zakeri.
They care about 'ethics' and 'morals'.
Their masses will not be able to, in good conscious, wipe out our entire nation.
I am sure that none of you would be willing to take this step either.
Which is why I am stepping up.
Other Countries want peace.
We want peace.
I personally, hope for peace.
Therefore, we should vote you into power, because you want to discard this peace we all enjoy and work towards.

i can not possibly see how you are appealing to anyone's best interest except for your own.

Quote
Other countries will be far to afraid to launch their nuclear warheads against us due to the negative reputation they would receive for having wiped out an entire country.
This is false. A Nuclear launch is not something you can sneak into another country while no one is looking. If a nation were to launch their nukes towards another, no precedent will be set for a counter attack, and we will have nukes launched at ourselves. Nukes we won't be able to defend ourselves from. Not only that, but even if we were to assume that our target country did not have a chance to respond, we will become the military target of every other surviving country at once. We will have depleted resources, and the whole world would not tolerate a nation who would cast death with light fingers. The only logical outcome would be to destroy every country other than our own at the same time.

And even if we did have the resources to do that, and survive a counter attack, then who would we have left to support our country? The world will be destroied, there would be no farms left to make food, there will be no unpoisoned water left in the world. Most importantly ZUN lived in one of those countries. Our nation, founded on his masterpieces, would be the bloodied hands responsible for his death. Do you really believe our nation would be happy knowing that our founding father would be considered an acceptable casualty?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 12:56:27 AM
The "peace" you speak of is for cowards and the weak.
True peace can only be achieved through complete domination.
With your plans, we will forever be a small country.
We will always be an easy target for the larger countries.
We will always be forced to submit to their wills.

You say that you cannot possibly see how I am acting in anyone's interests but my own.
My response is that I am acting on nothing but my own interests. I will not hide this, unlike you.
My interests are based around what is best for the country, because I will be the leader of this country.
Our nation will support itself.
What does not kill us will only make us stronger.

Our country will not have the blood of the innocent masses on their hands.
I will smear myself with blood so that the country can be clean.
I have said before that I will take full responsibility for all of my actions.

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Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 04, 2011, 01:09:34 AM
I will direct everyone who has faith in Dormio to proof of what he's done in the past when given access to the ability to wipe out other countries. His mission will be forgotten until he blows things up for the heck of it, followed by telling the world what a mass murderer he is.
Dormio wants to be a Traitor. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg605830.html#msg605830) ##Vote Zakeri. He is the cutest.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Momijibot on August 04, 2011, 01:14:05 AM
##Vote:Zak

What does that make the scores now?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 01:17:39 AM
Dormio's Unofficial Election Votecount For The Uneducated Masses

Dormio - 9
Zakeri - 5
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 01:27:41 AM
Dormio: 9
Zakeri: 4

Currently looks like Dormio'll become President. Zakeri may drop out of the game if he wants to and I won't care. :V

Momiji already voted.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Kasu on August 04, 2011, 01:28:26 AM
Just don't nuke the sun, we're all dead if you do that.
Wait a second...

The Sun gets its energy through nuclear fusion correct?  Then...  If Dormio nukes the Sun he may prolong it's life cycle, thus saving the Earth in five billion years as the extra energy from the nukes would provide it with more energy and thus it would have to burn even more because of the fuel supplied by the nukes!  This means he'd be prolonging humanity's survival as a whole! [/flawless logic]

##Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 01:28:48 AM
I'm not counting Momijibot's vote, else I would be on 8.
Shadoweh voted for Zakeri.

And Kasu's vote shifts the balance to:
Dormio - 10
Zakeri - 5
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 01:44:01 AM
Shadoweh doesn't have voting rights!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 01:45:35 AM
That works for me!

Dormio - 10
Zakeri - 4

:V
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: PX on August 04, 2011, 01:49:02 AM
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[18:50:46] <Bardiche> btw
[18:50:55] <Bardiche> I'll permit ##Impeach to throw away a ruler.

##IMPEACH DORMIO SO HARD
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 01:51:44 AM
Only after you've handled one issue with him, and only by the five players who are /in for the game. ;)

Dormio: 10
Zakeri: 5

etc
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 04, 2011, 02:17:03 AM
This election is rigged.
People voted for Dormio before considering who was the better canidate.
Pesco voted three times.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 02:19:11 AM
I only see pesco vote once, did he use alt accounts? If so, all votes made by Pesco will be voided.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 04, 2011, 02:31:48 AM
Unesco is his hydra with UK from eons back.
We will rig this election right back! >:(
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 04, 2011, 02:38:47 AM
Peskkuri's Origin (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7406.msg464036.html#msg464036)
Unesco is the godmother of all Mafia hydras, from back before we streamlined the process with quicktopics. It's a combination of UncertainKitten (Who has yet to post in this thread) and Pesco.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 02:43:18 AM
Dormio: 7
Zakeri: 5

Well then!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Hanged Hourai on August 04, 2011, 02:51:33 AM
Politics without bribery? Nonsense.

I'll vote whoever can show me proof that they own a slinky.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Schezo on August 04, 2011, 05:18:14 AM
I haven't gotten my bribes yet.  You're all getting a NAY!

...

##Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Pesco on August 04, 2011, 06:33:59 AM
You guys suck. What's an election without ghost voters?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 07:10:25 AM
You guys suck. What's an election without ghost voters?

An honest and fair election that best represents the opinion of its constituency?
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Pesco on August 04, 2011, 07:34:43 AM
These people have agendas. How is that honest in any way if it's not being clearly shown?

Fair is for the naive. This is politics. grow a damn pair!
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: tbax704 on August 04, 2011, 12:16:16 PM
The Sun gets its energy through nuclear fusion correct?  Then...  If Dormio nukes the Sun he may prolong it's life cycle, thus saving the Earth in five billion years as the extra energy from the nukes would provide it with more energy and thus it would have to burn even more because of the fuel supplied by the nukes!  This means he'd be prolonging humanity's survival as a whole! [/flawless logic]

Oh, you're right. LONG LIVE THE NUKES!!!

But..., don't start a nuclear war. We can go with this whole nuke thing if you made a nuke which has no radiation effect and has small area of effect. Then Nukes are pretty much that useful.

We can get rid of dangerous criminals with nukes.
We can suppress the people who threaten our nation with nukes.
Even though not everything can be solved with nukes, it's the best for the safety of our nation ~
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 12:54:46 PM
With 7-6, Dormio wins! Dormio is President! Zakeri is Vice President!

Dormio, please PM me with the posts you want everyone to have! Zakeri cannot be given a post as he defaults to Vice President.

Momijibot
ActionDan
PX
LAMBDA

Remember, ASSERT: to assert something and, if the outcome and your assertion match, gain a point! If they don't match, lose one!

A useful list of positions for you to pick from, one per person:

Secretary of Defence
Secretary of Commerce
Secretary of Agriculture
Attorney General
Secretary of the Interior
Secretary of Labor
Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Chief of Staff
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 01:31:21 PM
All PMs sent! Reply to me with your agenda pick(s). Your positions may be declared openly as I feel necessary, they're not secrets. Hydras are responsible for managing the hydra themselves, I'm not going to bother with that. This includes PMs etc. I'm only PMing the head. 8D

Without further ado, the very first issue!



Hydras. They've existed for a long time, and most everyone was fine with it. Its only vocal opposition came from Bardiche, who means nothing in the grand scheme of things. And so Kaleidoscopedia has lived in relative peace and calm. Things have tuckered on and went on without problem, and as President you've never really had to face the issue of hydras.

Until now.

At the recent elections, one Pesco engaged in what the media calls "hydralic voting", where he uses multiple 'heads' to all vote for the same thing. You know Pesco voted you, which is... problematic - the media might relate it to you.

They're not talking about that right now, though, but rather bring up the issue of hydras, and whether they should be permitted to be used in Kaleidoscopedia. A vocal group called "Down With Hydra!" has appeared on the news, stating they'll throw the entiriety of Kaleidoscopedia into chaos if hydras are not immediately banned.

The Cirno Bureau of The Strongest (CBTS) has begun investigating how many people are in this group anyway, and if they pose a threat. It'll take a while for results, however.



You have 48 hours before a decision must be made! Developments in the situation will arise on a when-available basis!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 01:39:25 PM
Hydras.
They encourage cooperation. Trust. A sense of connection between your fellow man.
It sounds great, doesn't it?
But that couldn't be further from the truth.
A hydra is like a cancer.
When one attempts to kill it, it will only come back.
Therefore, we must strike down the hydras now, while we still have a chance.
I propose that we nuke the living hell out of any and all hydras.
I will now give you time to squabble amongst yourselves.

However, this group that is dissatisfied with hydras, the one that threatens Kaleidoscopedia if hydras are not removed.
They are also a threat.
I believe that they should be nuked as well.
Discuss.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 04, 2011, 02:17:14 PM
I would say that it's not Hydra that are the problem, but the people who voice concern against them.
What exactly do Hydras do besides increase player efficiency?
The issue is being blown out of proportion. Unless one can provide reasoning for the ban on Hydras, I see no reason to make such a movement.

Edit: please, Dormio, take your position seriously. No more of using those empty words as if you're speaking to the idiot masses. How exactly are Hydras like Cancer? And if Hydras will "Only come back when you kill them" then how would killing them work in the first place?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 04, 2011, 03:37:47 PM
Good morning, Mr. President and Mr. Vice-President.
Can we afford to nuke all the hydras in their homes? Why not round them up into a confined area and then nuke them?

As your election campaign was based on nuclear action and anti-hydra activity, I currently support your line of thought.

You offered the public nuclear action-as much as I fear the consequences, the public wants what the public wants.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 04:23:17 PM
As time passes, the situation becomes more clear. The media have beg reporting more pointedly, although this isn't entirely in your favour - they've begun linking the incident to your campaign. Some of the media even suggest that you set Pesco up to do it in order to gain an unfair advantage on your rival Zakeri, which was only halted due to Zakeri's timely interference.

Meanwhile, CBTS reports they've located the group that claims they want to plunge the forums into chaos if their demands are not met. There are five hotspots they gather in, all in the same city, conveniently. Nuking the hell out of them is a possibility, but it'd probably take the entire city along with it.

Of course, before you nuke the hell out of anything, you should probably think of what to do about the press, and all, before this situation gets out of hand. You have four possibilities.

1) Release a press statement condemning Pesco. If your official policy is that Pesco was one Bad Dude, people probably won't link his actions to you anymore. Well, maybe, it just could be.
2) Chide the press for their foolish assumptions. You? Coaching Pesco? You couldn't even coach a team of high school girls playing basketball if your life depended on it! What foolish lies.
3) No statement. NO STATEMENT AT ALL PEOPLE! Walking the path of true neutrality.
4) Confirm the suspicions. So you did set Pesco up for it. Problem?

The press expect your statement in 24 hours, so think hard on the matter.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 04, 2011, 04:37:26 PM
Mr. President, I believe you should just confirm the suspicions. What do they care about how you campaign went? Even after the Hydra was shot down, you still won the vote the good old fashion way. No, the Hydras are all siding against you. Who cares if they have a problem? Just send in a few guys to teach the a lesson, military style. If worst comes to worst, you can always nuke them.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 04, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
This is a message from the Terror Organization With Nuts. The voting outcome was just a glimpse of our influence. TOWN has a few very reasonable demands of you people. Deliver on them and everyone wins with TOWN. If you resist, you will be Lynched.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 04, 2011, 04:55:32 PM
Mr. President, I believe you should just confirm the suspicions. What do they care about how you campaign went? Even after the Hydra was shot down, you still won the vote the good old fashion way. No, the Hydras are all siding against you. Who cares if they have a problem? Just send in a few guys to teach the a lesson, military style. If worst comes to worst, you can always nuke them.
I am inclined to agree with my learned colleague-while I would hold off against nukes which destroy the entire city, this is the Dormioship. Right now, it does not compromise, does not bow down, does not care what the world thinks. Besides, Hydras are a minority which the majority do not understand, as far as I know-the majority of your support would remain intact after this, apart from a few hydra-sympathizers.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 04, 2011, 05:10:10 PM
Hydras are not the enemy.
more importantly, hydras were not what caused the election slide. True, an old Hydra account was used, by hydras were not directly involved in the voting process what-so-ever.
I believe we should Condemn Pesco's actions. He himself has released a statement against the government. He, and his Terror Organization (with nuts) are the enemy, not the hydras.

That said, i do have a peaceful, easy solution to reduce Hydra activity should it come to this. I do not believe any military action, much less such a drastic one as nuclear radiation would be needed.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 04, 2011, 05:26:39 PM
Zakeri does not want to win with TOWN. Lynch the scum!!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 05:47:06 PM
Pesco stop voting here. :V

Stop POSTING here, too.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 04, 2011, 05:50:36 PM
Lookit dis oppression!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 04, 2011, 05:51:19 PM
Royal Oppression, 800 LP to deny special summons, now GTFO. :P
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 04, 2011, 05:54:07 PM
Thread lock.
Title: Re: Pass that Proposal - Let's Politics!
Post by: UncertainJakutten on August 04, 2011, 06:21:38 PM
Peskkuri's Origin (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7406.msg464036.html#msg464036)
Unesco is the godmother of all Mafia hydras, from back before we streamlined the process with quicktopics. It's a combination of UncertainKitten (Who has yet to post in this thread) and Pesco.

Heh, we were the first MotK hydra, weren't we? WE ALSO GOT LYNCHED D1! IT WAS AWESOME!

Also, what's goin on here?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 04, 2011, 06:43:19 PM
Mr. President, the recent rancour over citizen Hydras is pure nonsense.  Sure, one so called "Pesco" has tampered with the official vote tally, but really, many members of our nation's far-right and far-left, and far-up, and far-down constituencies have been accused and convicted of the exact same offense!  This story has only served to embolden such nefarious groups as the "Down with Hydra!", infamous for their petty hate crimes against Hydras, as well as the reactionary TOWN, self-proclaimed vigilantes who want to take the law into their own hands.  So where does this leave upstanding Hydras?  Ordinary town folk?  It leaves their stories untold, and their exploits meaningless.  Why aren't we talking about real issues like our slumping economy, our poor health care services, or our obscene levels of industrial waste?  These are what our citizens, and nay, the world want answers to.  These are the issues that deserve the most attention.  Why is the press focused on fringe issues when they could instead focus on your presidential social programs that hopefully will do this country and it's denizens a lot of good.

Therefore I suggest you chide the press for their petty concerns and denounce the accusations against you as ridiculous and unrelated to what you stand for: The real issues.

Edit: Quick UK, Hydra with LLD, and support Hydras!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 04, 2011, 09:53:44 PM
About Nukes:

I Assert: we should not use them.  At least not at this juncture.  We are not just under threat from the small underfunded and pitiful existances known as "Down with Hydra!" and TOWN (whose members I might add have been reportedly described as underwhelming in Bed), but from global scrutiny caused by the last president's inclination for violating various international non-proliferation treaties, toxic waste and high levels of free radicals deemed lethal to children under the age of three, and a death rate that greatly exceeds the current birthrate, a problem further exasperated by rampant emigration.   The use of nukes would further aggravate these national issues and potentially deal a death blow to our fair nation.  The Dormio we know would not so easily doom his nation to oblivion.  This cabinet member (and his talking head) will not betray our great leader, but compromises must be made, for the sake of us all!  I would support my colleague's entreaties to use force in the form of armed personal (and not nukes) to deal with the fringe groups.  Condemning Pesco on the spot would only show a precieved weakness, and would seem like blantent catering to the whims of the media, whose talking heads make less sense than my own Hydra!  I will stand by you no matter what others say.  In return, I only ask that you continue to further a rational national agenda (again without nukes).   
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
A world without nukes? Are you mad?
But that is an issue for tomorrow, though Momijibot offers a nice suggestion in regards to dealing with the hydras.
What say you about rounding up the hydras and destroying them in one action?

Regarding the press statement, I did not ask Pesco to rig ghost votes for me.
However, this does not mean that I believe that Pesco's actions were wrong.
Pesco did what he thought was right for our country, which was to place me in a position of leadership.
He used some underhanded methods to try to assure this, and the masses are trying to frown upon this.
I ask you, why is this wrong?
Why should Pesco not use every advantage he has in trying to do what he believes is right for the country?
Therefore, I am planning to chide the press, for their foolish beliefs that everyone should be forced down to the level of the lowest common denominator so that the people on the bottom rung may have a chance.
This "equality" that the press seems to be so hung up on is rather similar to a communist viewpoint on the value of humans.
Babble about my words amongst yourselves.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 04, 2011, 11:42:05 PM
We can't say we are a fan of assassinations and preventable slaughter, but we will nevertheless support this action against our better judgement as part of our agreement to compromise, on two conditions.

1.  We don't use nukes.  They do have a purpose, as a symbol of power, and as a deterrent against foreign invasion, but they can do little to halt rouge terrorist factions (which would probably rejoice if we were to use nukes anyway).
2.  It is done covertly, by trained operatives, that kill and clean up after.  The media, and any other thrid party, need not see the blood and gore nor realize who or what was responsible (although the more sadistic of us should be free to pass some photos around the office).
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 04, 2011, 11:56:16 PM
No Dan, if we do secret slaughters, then everyone will get suspicious. I ASSERT that secretly assassinating everybody will get the country all riled up against us. Then we'll have a war on our hands. Let's just slaughter and humiliate them publicly to discourage uprisings.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 04, 2011, 11:59:07 PM
There appear to be two in favor of rounding up and nuking the hell out of the hydras, one in favor of rounding up the hydras and taking care of the covertly.
Lady Lambdadelta, your thoughts on this matter?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 05, 2011, 12:17:09 AM
I was under the impression that we are only killing the TOWN Hydra faction.

Irregardless, Zakeri stated his willingless to use a peaceful solution.  If compromise with the other militaristically minded cabinent members becomes impossible, I will stand by Zakeri and his yet unexplained peaceful solution to this ruckus.

Edit: Also Momijibot was against nuking, and has yet to proclaim whether to perform the killings in the open or not.  Px did not directly specify whether he wants the Hydra's nuked or not.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 05, 2011, 01:25:04 AM
I was against nuking them In our own territory-my apologies for not specifying. If we raided them and round them up, found a safe enough killing spot and then nuked them, I suppose all would be well.

As I have said, this is the Dormioship, so my opinion as to whether or not to commit the act of murder (which must be done with SOME form of nuke, even if it's a tiny, less potent nuke) would depend on the Hydra support, which I do not remember reading polls on. If one of us would be kind enough to provide me with such information, I would happily take a side-but, failing that, I would default to following the Dormioship at least, while he is in power. Which, of course, would be doing the act in public while reminding people they voted in [iwhat must be done, and nothing more or less than that[/i].

ARE we killing all hydras, or just the TOWN? Inevitably, after their 1200 year history acting against the SCUM, townies(people who support TOWN) will most likely try and wage war on mafia(those who don't).

However I will assert that if we nuked them within our country, we would have said country turn on us, and we would lose support.

I would also like to call my fellow members of congress:If we do not have a name for our capital, should we call it Kalifornia?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 01:38:04 AM
In regards to the hydras, my current proposal is that both the hydras, and the group that threatens our country if hydras are not dealt with must be cut down to size.
We shall gather all of the hydras, and as many terrorists as we can, funnel them into a secure area on the outskirts of our country, and then nuke the hell out of all of them.

Additionally, to the media. I am chiding you.
Do you honestly believe that a man should not use all resources available when he is doing something for the good of the entire nation?
Pesco truly embodied our country's willingness to do what must be done, and you would label him as a criminal for it?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 05, 2011, 01:54:56 AM
Guys a thought just occured!!.  Nukes don't kill Hydras!  They would only mutate them, into Hydras with more heads!  The only thing that can kill a Hydra, as evidenced in this forum is fire! Plain and simple burning fire!  Round them all up and kill them with fire!

Alright we can do the act in Public, but only so much as our public is witness only.  Media broadcasts would be limited to this nation alone, and none else could see this violence.

This is as far as I'm willing to go.

Voters would be satisfied that Dormio's promise of killing Hydras was fulfilled.  Hopefully Momijibot would be willing to compromise on this.

Edit: Also fire is a much more efficient way to use tax payer money wisely than a nuke would be.  Burn them all with Fire!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 05, 2011, 02:18:56 AM
Voters would be satisfied that Dormio's promise of killing Hydras was fulfilled.  Hopefully Momijibot would be willing to compromise on this.
An acceptable compromise. While the Nuke would be the go-to Dormioship weapon, public murder also fits our persona.

May I suggest that we find and recruit non-government-official members of our country who dislike hydras to go through with the burning? It would most certainly be barbaric, but it would tell the people that we want them to stand with us, not under us.

Also, still looking for feedback on our proposed capital's name.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Lexicat on August 05, 2011, 03:00:51 AM
Mr. President, I urge that you condemn Pesco in this matter.
 
The concerns expressed the DWH organization are valid. This country was built on democracy, and the idea that any one vote is equal to another. No one vote can be worth more or less than another. To allow this practice of, "hydra voting" to continue shifts UNFAIRLY the balance of power in this country. Any person who has the kind of power that Pesco is accused of having must be stopped.
 
Mr. President, if you do not nip this in the bud now, your government will be forever known as an autocratic regime, and this is only the beginning. This will only lead to corruption and further voting shenanigans. Ballot stuffing, you name it.
 
We cannot allow this to happen. We must be a government for, of and by the people!
 
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 05, 2011, 03:11:38 AM
LLD would you kindly take a stance on the Hydra killing to present to our negotiating table?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 03:18:27 AM
To ActionDan: Your thought is an admirable one indeed.
Fire is a great solution to many problems.
The only thing that is holding you back is the scale.
And what burns greater than a nuclear flame?
So far, it would seem that killing the hydras is going ahead.
The only question is how we want to go about it.
I have yet to see a convincing argument against nukes.
We are not cowards.
We are not afraid to demonstrate our power against those that would threaten the state.

In regards to Pesco's actions, I fail to see why he should be condemned.
This country may have been built on democracy, but clinging to tradition will only result in the fall of our country.
I have said before that people are not born equal.
What use is this if the people with power do not use it?
Why should we limit ourselves so that those at the bottom can feel as if they are equal to everyone else, when they are not?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 05, 2011, 04:51:00 AM
Right, let's move the hydras to a safe, undisclosed area, and nuke them there. Or just shoot them with our army, no biggy. However, press must go down.

Oh right, fire. We can also have nukes and fire. :3
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Shadoweh on August 05, 2011, 05:06:15 AM
Hey Dormio~ I'll trade you those dull old nukes for this ~*Shiiiiny*~ set of beads! Look at them, they're BRIGHT FORUM BLUE and flaaaaashy. ^.^
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 05:10:05 AM
~*Shiiiiny*~ set of beads! Look at them, they're BRIGHT FORUM BLUE and flaaaaashy. ^.^
SQUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-
*Dormio coughs*
Ahem. I cannot be bought with mere beads. Blue beads. Blue shiny beads. Blue shiny flashy beads. GIVE ME THE GODDAMN BEADS.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 05, 2011, 05:11:37 AM
I say you threaten her with Nukes so she gives you the beads. If she doesn't give you the beads, you can always give her the nukes. Preferably flying at her head.

And I also forgot. Fire and nukes, not just nukes. :V
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 05:13:07 AM
That is an excellent solution PX, as is your suggestion of combining both fire and nukes.
This is why you're a member of my cabinet.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Shadoweh on August 05, 2011, 05:16:25 AM
We tried to warn you earlier, but as a Hydra I will only grow more heads if you nuke me. :3
I will possibly gain the ability to breathe fire as well.
So just hand over the nukes~ And we'll give you both  the beads and a fire breathing hydra monstrosity to destroy the interlopers~
Edit: Oh, there are rules about hydras, I couldn't find them earlier. Further bead offers will be sent through Agent Red Shirt Dan.  :flamingv:
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 05, 2011, 05:17:16 AM
That's why we have FIRE! Clearly, if you read your mythology, after killing a head, Heracles BURNED THE NECK, thus STOPPING THE HEADS FROM GROWING MORE HEADS!!!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 05, 2011, 05:20:54 AM
That's why we have FIRE! Clearly, if you read your mythology, after killing a head, Heracles BURNED THE NECK, thus STOPPING THE HEADS FROM GROWING MORE HEADS!!!

I am throwing in my support of this fine person's statement.

Also keep your nukes out my country :colbert:. Nuking people is fine, but make sure you do it OUTSIDE THE HOUSE COUNTRY. I have this geiger counter which will go off because of the radiation in the air. But if goes far above that, mister, then you're losing nuke privileges until you're sorry.

And no beads until after your chores are done young man.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 05:24:22 AM
So the current opinion on the hydra issues appears to be:
Objections? Because this plan appears to be in line with my view for a greater Kaleidoscopedia.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 05, 2011, 05:26:21 AM
This is going to be quite costly. I say funding some money towards the military will allow us to do the proposed plan.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 05, 2011, 05:29:33 AM
Developments continue, and you haven't even gotten to that press conference yet! Well, it'll be soon...ish. Yeah. To add further fuel to the fire, there has been a terrorist attack. The simple, hydra-loving J.O.B. was made, well, JOBless when a bomb had been set up in the office of his boss, leaving dozens without work! The activist group Down With Hydras! has claimed responsibility, and warns more will follow if this continues.

If the situation is allowed to grow, then there'll be more terrorist attacks. Your CBTS Chief Cirno has come up with a plan to deal with the terrorists, and it involves baseball bats, kneecaps, and swinging hard enough (and plenty of times) until the terrorists buckle and give in. There may be some repercussions from the public, and Cirno isn't entirely sure who are and are not members of DWH, but even if you get a few innocents mixed up, well, it's a good cost, right? ... right?

President, you've got to make a decision at 2 PM GMT, August 6th. You have until then to discuss and decide. The options, as you see them, are as follows:

1) Nuke the shit out of that city. Nuking is always the answer to everything.
2) Let Cirno proceed with her plan. Not nukey, but it gets the job done.
3) Buckle in to the terrorist demands and ban hydras. Obviously, this is the least violent way to deal with the situation.
4) You do not give in to terrorists. But you also don't want to harm your people. Come up with a solution that satisfies both goals. As the situation progresses, more information could help you devise a plan D.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 05:35:13 AM
I am paid to lead, not to read.
That's what you people are for.
So get to it, think up a fourth option before it's too late and I am forced to nuke this very country.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 05, 2011, 05:35:45 AM
Wait Dormio!

Here is our awesome stance on Hydras!  Fire is more awesome than nukes!  AND BEADS THE SHINY BEADS!

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg225/scaled.php?server=225&filename=killitwithfirer.jpg&res=medium
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg23/scaled.php?server=23&filename=beadteaser.jpg&res=medium

Can't get enough of those Beads!??!?!?  BECAUSE WAIT!  FULL STOP.  THERE'S MOARRREEE!
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/191170/191170,1224942464,2/stock-photo-close-up-of-a-pile-of-pink-and-shiny-beads-19446967.jpg

Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 05, 2011, 05:37:19 AM
We do not give in to terrorists! However, we should prepare the nukes and fire. But, we should first try to stall for time while saving a little amount of people. After all, the country will treat you like a hero if you save 2 out of 150 lives. But in the end, we nuke the fuck out of them!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 05, 2011, 05:44:29 AM
Omg Dormio, We can use the beads you bought off me to lure those cunning and despicable terrorists!  All swindlers love shiny and beatiful precious gems!  All we have to do is use some tacky costume jewellary to lure them out, then burn them on the spot as their new found possessions melt gloriously in their hands AND THE PAIN THE PAIN.  It's so very fun to watch teacherous adults scream in agony as the fire glitters in your eyes!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 05:49:01 AM
I don't understand why you're so opposed to using both nukes AND fire.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 05, 2011, 06:17:33 AM
Your presidency, may I suggest that we,in order:

It's like a nuke, but with less of our nukes being used.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 06:30:14 AM
This is a plan that appeals to me.
The hydras are nuked and set on fire, the terrorists are taught their place, and we develop more efficient nukes in the process.
Counter arguments?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: PX on August 05, 2011, 07:12:59 AM
None here.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 05, 2011, 07:59:58 AM
Seems I'm a bit late.

Hydras must be killed with FIRE. Any other way is futile.

TOWN is not a hydra but a collection of independent thinkers who share the vision of rooting out SCUM.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 05, 2011, 09:16:05 AM
We can not tolerate injustice. With this in mind, let's count the injustice
Pesco and TOWN: Election sliding, and continued terrorist threats
DWH: Bombings
Hydras: Nothing.

firstly, I should see no reason why Pesco should be let off the hook, except for personal reasons that I strongly disagree should be considered.
Military action may be needed to deal with DWH. We must capture and punish those who initiated the bomb and show that those who kill will be brought to justice, not create it.
As for the peaceful solution, I believe a compromise may be in order.
I would like to suggest a "Hydra Tax"

Hydras are created from partnerships between two humans who work as one. If, however, we put a tax on these groupings, it will be a soft discourage against making hydras. An outright ban is too much, and I'd hate to give such a vile group the satisfaction of bullying the government into doing what they wish, especially since No one has even brought up why Hydras were bad or wrong in the first place. I believe by throwing this scrap out to the public will help stall them from doing any more damage for a while.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 10:38:16 AM
I have stated my reasons for why I believe that Pesco should not be punished for his actions.
All humans are not born equal, why should those born with power reduce themselves to a lower level for the others?

DWH... Bullying this government?
I fail to see where you're getting this from.
I have stated myself that I wish to see the eradication of hydras.
I do, however, agree that DWH must be dealt with.
They are a threat to this country, and should be rounded up and nuked with the hydras as a consequence.

Two working as one? Why can this not be achieved outside of a hydra?
Are you saying that people must be physically attached to one another, with their life dependent on their partners, in order to foster a sense of cooperation?
Do you distrust the citizens of Kaleidescopedia that much?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 05, 2011, 11:48:41 AM
So it doesn't concern you that Pesco broke the law?
Power without restraint only leads to destruction. Do you want destruction to happen to our nation?

... well, considering your stance on using nukes, I suppose you wouldn't mind after all.


Also, you should be well aware of the Mafia Player slot restriction, and the general attitude of mafia, where Hydras are most prevalent in this nation. Only one body is allowed to fill one slot, so hydras are the only known method of entering multiple minds. Trust is the most important thing innocents have, but when the mafia group shows up within their ranks without warning, a hydra is the only way for the panicked souls to have at least one person they can trust. If we do not allow hydras, Crime rate will soar as Mafioso across the nation will take over town after town in our nation.

If we were to put a ban on hydras, we would lose our most effective weapon against the discord and chaos that these mafioso bring to our unsuspecting people. You know as well as I do that our research into Masonry (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason) has only yeilded stone crafting techniques. We have no alternative options here.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 11:56:20 AM
What reason is there to practice restraint?
Why not live up to one's full potential?

You fail to bring up an important point when saying that hydras are a weapon against the mafioso.
Hydras are just as likely to be working with the mafioso as they are against.
It is true that research into masonry has resulted mostly in the improvements of stone crafting. Why is this a bad thing?
Is a nation not founded on a solid stone foundation?
Is it not this stone foundation that every citizen of Kaleidoscopedia stands on?
One could argue that, by improving our stone crafting techniques and applying it to our foundations, we are, in fact, bringing the country together as a whole and fortifying it against any threats from both the inside and outside.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 05, 2011, 12:19:00 PM
There is very good reason to restrain power.
you choose to not restrain it, correct? You choose to believe everyone should have freedom?
Does that include the freedom to restrain others? As long as there is more than one human on this planet, someone's rights will always be infringed upon, because no one can have everything they want without someone else giving up what they want.
What you are suggesting is a world of anarchy, and a world of anarchy will never work. More importantly, we are the ones who stand to lose the most in such a world. If we keep our world in order, we keep ourselves at the top. We remove from power anyone who would use that power to destroy recklessly, and in doing so, we remain the most powerful. I don't see what you believe we could possibly gain from letting Pesco run amok.

According to International Mafia Research Studies, whenever a mafia group is about to enclose over a city, they occurpy about 25% of the town's populous. This percentage has never increased passed 35% thanks to the regulations we have in place. If we assume that a random part of a town's poulation is the mafia, with no preference given to hydras, then that means that town will have over 3 times the chance of having a hydra on their side than the mafia will. If we do not assume that this is random chance, then that simply means there will be less mafia members needed to kill their group off since one lynch will kill them both, instead of separately.

You also have missed my point entirely. The Hydra loophole was created to aid players in place of masonry. My point was that We have yet to discover what about masonry will allow separate slots to join together in trust, without combining them. My point had nothing to do with whether or not stone crafting helps us. The fact that this argument fills up half of your post makes me feel like you're just attempting to downplay my valid arguments.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 05, 2011, 01:23:18 PM
Yes, some people will have a shorter end of the stick than others.
A world where everybody is happy simply doesn't exist.
It is an impossible dream.
Therefore, I offer the best alternative.
A world where your position is determined by your own merits.
By placing limiters on the populace, all you do is cover reality with a false veil.
Tell me, we all came from a world where people were bound by social conventions and norms, was the world we came from perfect?
Did everybody manage achieve their goals without undermining somebody else's?
Was everybody happy?
The answer is, obviously, no.
A facade was created and the people found it simpler to simply keep the matter out of sight and out of mind.
I recognize that inequalities exist.
My system is simple. I am currently the most fit to lead this country.
If somebody else disagrees, and believes that he or she is able to perform a more capable job than I am, then they should aim to take my seat through any means they deem fit.
Of course, this means that I too will be using my own methods to hold my position as I believe that I am this country's most capable leader.
What does Pesco have to do with this?
Pesco is a prime example of using his own devices to achieve what he believes to be right for the country.
Why should we punish a man who is simply fighting for what he believes in?

If we have yet to discover what the full potentials of masonry, then we should discover them.
Having hydras within the mafia artificially increases their numbers, just like it does with town.
The fact that town is more likely to have a hydra than the mafia simply means that a mafia hydra is that much more devastating.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 05, 2011, 01:50:13 PM
And so the president and his vice clash again on this glorious battlefield.
Godspeed to both men, for both will change the tide of this nation.

Hold up-if TOWN is considered a minority terrorist organization, then wouldn't that mean we are SCUM, since we're in power and not part of TOWN?

Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 05, 2011, 03:13:43 PM
So, you truly do advocate a world order that would actively and openly try to take you down?
Believe me, I have goals, and I have plans working towards those goals.
Pesco has been proven to tamper with the government out of his own free will, and I Assert that he will only continue to wreck havoc on us if we let him permit without some form of punishment.

I'm jealous. you laugh at everything as if it doesn't matter. you speak as if everything is easy.
It's not. If learning the secrets of using masonry to increase confidence in town trust were as easy as "then we should discover them." then we would not have mafia left and right invading our country from within.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 05, 2011, 04:49:17 PM
As time passes, the situation becomes more clear. The media have beg reporting more pointedly, although this isn't entirely in your favour - they've begun linking the incident to your campaign. Some of the media even suggest that you set Pesco up to do it in order to gain an unfair advantage on your rival Zakeri, which was only halted due to Zakeri's timely interference.

Meanwhile, CBTS reports they've located the group that claims they want to plunge the forums into chaos if their demands are not met. There are five hotspots they gather in, all in the same city, conveniently. Nuking the hell out of them is a possibility, but it'd probably take the entire city along with it.

Of course, before you nuke the hell out of anything, you should probably think of what to do about the press, and all, before this situation gets out of hand. You have four possibilities.

1) Release a press statement condemning Pesco. If your official policy is that Pesco was one Bad Dude, people probably won't link his actions to you anymore. Well, maybe, it just could be.
2) Chide the press for their foolish assumptions. You? Coaching Pesco? You couldn't even coach a team of high school girls playing basketball if your life depended on it! What foolish lies.
3) No statement. NO STATEMENT AT ALL PEOPLE! Walking the path of true neutrality.
4) Confirm the suspicions. So you did set Pesco up for it. Problem?

The press expect your statement in 24 hours, so think hard on the matter.

This is now a thing. Mr President, what is your response?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Lexicat on August 05, 2011, 05:30:20 PM
We must not nuke the city. The loss of even one innocent life is UNACCEPTABLE in this case.
 
Pesco broke the law, and he MUST BE PUNISHED to the full extend of the law! These are not "Terrorists" persay, but rather FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
 
Mr. President, I urge you to BAN HYDRAS forever.
 
Besides, Hydras are OP. Nerf Pl0x.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 05, 2011, 05:57:48 PM
Pesco broke the law, and he MUST BE PUNISHED to the full extend of the law! These are not "Terrorists" persay, but rather FREEDOM FIGHTERS.

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Terror Organization With Nuts

Lolwut.

Zakeri clearly ignores the contributions that I made for this place's history.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 05, 2011, 06:17:04 PM
History is in the past. I only look out for our future.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 05, 2011, 06:26:09 PM
There is no future without the past.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 05, 2011, 07:05:34 PM
If we always look behind us, we'll trip over the rocks.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 05, 2011, 07:17:22 PM
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Get our workers out, Initate lockdown, fill the insides with gasoline-hell no, gasoline's expensive. Think of an alternative to gasoline. and radioactive fluid.

SET THAT BITCH ON NUCLEAR FIRE.

It's like a nuke, but with less of our nukes being used.

Alright I'll agree to something like this.  We are using nukes, but using them in a way that won't cause huge explosions and toxins flooding our atmosphere.  It's like we are recycling the nuke and using cheap cheap nuclear components like fire to burn the enemies of the state. 
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 05, 2011, 08:17:14 PM
If we always look behind us, we'll trip over the rocks.

Don't be a dumbass that walks backwards :V
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 05, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
well, now it sounds like you're advocating that we don't move at all.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Pesco on August 05, 2011, 08:43:23 PM
With your approach to things, that is clearly the case. Obvscum.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 06, 2011, 02:05:04 AM
As I said before, I would like to chide the press for their foolish beliefs that people shouldn't live up to their potential.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 06, 2011, 10:45:34 AM
I won't be around for "deadline", so you can probably also state which option you'll go with for dealing with the hydras. Sorta busy. :V
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 06, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
since Bardiche wasn't kind enough to update the Hydra Issue again, I'll take the liberty of recaping the current suggested solutions.

We have these choices to pick from with dealing with the Terrorist attacks:
1. Kill everyone Including the innocent
2. Kill people at random and hope they are not innocent
3. Ban Hydras and let Terrorist and Mafia win.
4. Impose licensing laws and Fees on hydras Allowing Hydras to exist, but deterring people from Hydraing without good reason, while at the same time allowing us more room for spending in ... whichever areas we choose to spend it.

Option 2 would be ... most preferential to me, since we need to make certain justice against the terrorist is responded to swiftly, but I strongly encourage option 4 as well. We have no need to kill hundreds of innocent, and banning the Hydra outright is absurd.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 06, 2011, 02:17:02 PM
I believe the popular view was to have the hydras and DWH members rounded up and detained in an area near our country's borders before nuking them and setting the remains alight.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 06, 2011, 02:30:24 PM
I think there are a lot more caveats then what you are suggesting, if option 2 means gathering some hydras and some DWH along with a few innocents who may or may not be innocent (if you get my meaning) that's fine.  I'm more concerned in how we kill them.  I would vote for Nuclear components like fire + excessive radiation in a controlled enviroment.  Letting our public know of this deed, but no other nation should get even a whiff of it.   Also, no nuclear explosions as the consequence of such would be to depress our economy, ruin our atmosphere, turn our supporters against us, corrupt military and civilian information technology (weather forecasts, heat sensors).  Mind you that a Nuclear explosion, even outside our country, will still have these severe effects as the action is considered global in scale.  Also a nuclear strike outside our borders only means that it lands in someone else's (All land is claimed for one nation or another).  That nation would probably retaliate with its own nukes and destroy us all!
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 06, 2011, 02:40:30 PM
I believe the popular view was to have the hydras and DWH members rounded up and detained in an area near our country's borders before nuking them and setting the remains alight.
Switch "nuke and set them alight" with "put in a controlled environment with radioactive fluid everywhere and set the whole thing alight with the centre employees safely away from the burning" and that's the census as I understand it.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 06, 2011, 03:04:08 PM
Ya, what she/he/it said.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 06, 2011, 03:15:34 PM
Ya, what she/he/it said.

Bot or he is fine.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 07, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
I guess this leaves it up to Dormio now, huh?
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Bardiche on August 07, 2011, 11:09:37 AM
Nah, I've received the actions and all, but I need to gather the assertions and post the results, I've just been busy so I don't have the time to get to it, much apologies. I'm just checking in briefly now, too.
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 14, 2011, 06:39:33 PM
Looking for opinions on renaming the capital 'Kaleifornia'
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 14, 2011, 07:18:07 PM
Denied
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: Momijibot on August 17, 2011, 07:59:06 PM
 :smokedcheese:
Title: Re: Let's Politics! - Issue 1: Hydras. I -hate- Hydras.
Post by: ActionDan on August 17, 2011, 08:26:07 PM
So who wants to go to the new bar in town?  It's called "Hydra's palace."  I heard the food was good and each drink comes with double straws.