Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Bunbunmaru News~ => Front Page Headlines => Topic started by: Helepolis on December 14, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
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Our own defense of the shrines community isn't large, but we have become quite close with the amount of people. Pesco was brainstorming this idea if we could have a central hosted private battle.net, so people can join and play Defense of the Ancient/Shrines.
After discussing it on IRC with our boss, TSO, we thought it would be more interesting to make this more broad, and not only for DotA/Dots. Therefore, without too much walls of text, the next question is asked:
"Would you use a MotK hosted Battle.net server?"
Please give us your honest vote and opinion regarding this. If there is enough support, we will put up our own private battle.net where people can play many types of blizzard games. Surely this is currently only focussed on battle.net games, but yea... let us hear it.
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Yes and you know it.
The server helps smooth out hosting for our game group. And since it's a Bnet server, naturally we're open to try other games that can also make use of the server.
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Do you have to pay for DOTS since I'm pretty new to all of this...
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The map is free. You still gotta own Warcraft 3 though.
The reason the bnet server came up was we were thinking of ways to channel community involvement beyond just forums and IRC. I used to run gameservers for #shrinemaiden long long ago (and was actually the original purpose of Triela) but that got shoved to the wayside as interest waned (and so did my bank account :().
I'm actually surprised by the nice turnout we got with the MotK Nethack server I threw up a month or so ago (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7037.0.html) and I just expanded my private TeamSpeak 3 server to host the DotS players and anyone else in the MotK community looking to run their mouths.
So this is an interest check to see if this is a direction we might want to invest in. At this point I cannot host any more on Triela, so this decision brings on possibly additional costs. So this is not something I want to put together for just 5-10 people to use.
Basically this server wouldn't be limited to just DotS (even if it was the initial reason it was brought up), it could potentially host ANY Battle.net enabled game at the very least, possibly even other games as well depending on how much interest there is and what kind of funding we can secure. I think this is a great way to stress the "gaming" part of this gaming community, bringing us together as a whole while giving us an outlet to hang out with other than just what you see here.
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Hell yes for this idea!
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I don't play any b.net games so no here. But if I did I'd be happy to play along with you folks.
However, I must ask what the benefits are to having such a dedicated server over just having a private channel or something on theirs? I mean from my experience blizzard's servers aren't slow, so. What exactly would you people gain to justify the cost?
I don't mean to buzzkill I'm just curious.
I expect to be playing diablo 3 when it's out though.
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Well for the DotS people at least they don't play on BNet proper due to the geographical disparity of the players, they tend to play over Hamachi/etc. They've been having all sorts of problems so the idea of an MotK BNet server was (jokingly) brought up.
I've been itching to run an MotK Starcraft tournament for a while anyways, so it was like kill two birds with one stone. I also need to desperately move Nethack to its own box anyways and I've also thought about (re)starting an RO server, but the resources required are far beyond what little we have left on Triela. So really this isn't just for BNet but for really any sort of community server, depending on what resources I can secure.
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Sadly, I don't play many Blizzard games online. In fact, the only game I reliably play online is Team Fortress 2. Maybe I should change that...I do have Warcraft III around here somewhere.
This still looks like unto Cool Beans, though.
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An MotK Diablo 2 ladder could potentially 0wn. I refuse to play on the official ladder due to gratuitous abuse of dupe bugs and the town PK bug.
ID for the first person to complete all acts with a hardcore mode character BV!
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ID for the first person to complete all acts with a hardcore mode character BV!
DO WANT!!
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ID for the first person to complete all acts with a hardcore mode character BV!
And probations for using Hammerdins!
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I thought Hammerdins got nerfed into the ground in 1.12. It's all about vengeance pallies now.
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I'm not sure if I'd use it, but I'm more than enough in support of it.
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I would likely use it for Warcraft if I ever have time or other people to play with.
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Diablo 2 player here! Also used to play warcraft/starcraft. I would love to be a part of a private owned bnet server. Sounds good to me :D. I could also lend a hand with the server it self since I have been wanting practice with anything servers.
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Screw those flavour of the patch characters in Diablo2. Good old Meteor / Orb combo of Sorc. And fuck Blizzard because it doesn't look cool enough. For private battlenet, I would probably also pick up Diablo 2 again. Purchased the game like twice as well as LOD so I could play with friends over here.
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God I remember when Nova Sorcs were so broken. Same with Static Field Sorcs. Lightning is still my favorite build, chain lighting bitches so much fun.
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I guess I could whip out Diablo 2 and play it again.
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I dont know you guys Keine said no to this on three separate occasions :V. But i think ill vote yes on this.
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I absolutely would, but my connection sucks. :/
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I would play, and I hope other people from MotK (maybe those who don't have the habit of visiting the irc channels and even those who don't know the forum or visit it regularly..) would use it too.
Sadly, I don't play Starcraft, so I wouldn't be participating in a tournament ;p
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God I remember when Nova Sorcs were so broken. Same with Static Field Sorcs. Lightning is still my favorite build, chain lighting bitches so much fun.
Fuck yea, I remember as a newbie to Diablo2, I was told to build Nova sorc. Cow level was like done in blink of a time. But yea, mobs didn't had resistance back then.
I would play, and I hope other people from MotK (maybe those who don't have the habit of visiting the irc channels and even those who don't know the forum or visit it regularly..) would use it too.
Sadly, I don't play Starcraft, so I wouldn't be participating in a tournament ;p
Your bros would also have less lag because it is similar to Kitten's host latency afaik.
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Man, it took me a while to find this topic.
Anyway, voting yes. Though the only thing I'd really be playing on it is DotS.
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Definitely keen, assuming the latency is roughly the same as playing over hamachi.
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MotK Starcraft tournament
YEEEEAAH that sounds like a blast
I have SC1, WC3, and D2 and would be pleased to play any of them with you guys. I am also willing to help support additional server costs a bit.
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BW Tournament Nao!
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seems like a neat idea.
also a good excuse to play bw again. unless you were talking bout sc2 :(
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We'd get sued into the ground if it was a BNet 2.0 private server.
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I am playing only DotS atm, but definitely you have my support
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To those who voted no, are there potentially any other games you'd be interested in that we could host? Suggestions for other games are fine.
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I am not at all averse to this idea.
I would like to have more friendly BW games and more friendly DotA games as I quite frankly have been getting a little bored of DotS.
Just a little.
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I think that this is an awesome idea even if I wouldn't really participate due to lack of interest in blizz games(that aren't wow)
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I'm all for this, guys. DoTs gets so uninteresting when you're playing with one person and crap AI.
I live on the other side of the globe tho so I doubt I'll really be able to enjoy this once it's out... but y'know, my support all the way!
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To those who voted no, are there potentially any other games you'd be interested in that we could host? Suggestions for other games are fine.
It's not quite that simple. Were I to vote, I would vote no, but only because I don't do online gaming.
If the question were "Would you like to see an MotK hosted Battle.net server?" then I'd probably vote Yes even though I'd never use it, because it would make a bunch of other people happy and provide this site with additional content. Beefing up MotK's functional content is something I would like to see more than just about anything else that's happened here in the last year and a half.
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That's the kind of explanation I was seeking, thanks. Use is more important as I don't just want a bunch of people who think it's a great idea but wouldn't actually use it. This is why the question is worded as "would you use an MotK hosted server" instead of "would you like one".
It's one thing to have a bunch of people for having one, a whole different thing to have a bunch of people who would actually USE it. I was just curious to see if any negative answers were because they're not interested in BNet-based games or whether they thought it was a bad idea period.
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It's not quite that simple. Were I to vote, I would vote no, but only because I don't do online gaming.
If the question were "Would you like to see an MotK hosted Battle.net server?" then I'd probably vote Yes even though I'd never use it, because it would make a bunch of other people happy and provide this site with additional content. Beefing up MotK's functional content is something I would like to see more than just about anything else that's happened here in the last year and a half.
I would like to second that. Unfortunately, I have already voted, so if someone has the power to remove my vote, feel free to do so :)
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Ok, it's time to discuss how much it would cost us.
To host anything I'm going to have to get a second VPS, period. Triela can't handle the load and I wouldn't want them to share the same box anyways for security reasons.
Base VPS package on Linode, our current host, is 20/month for 512MB of memory and 16GB of HD space. I don't know if it's enough to host a BNet server or not, but I would assume it should be adequate. If it's not we may have to reevaluate the entire idea. Either way I just wanted to make it clear this isn't free in any sense. It would increase significantly our current hosting bill, as well as my admin responsibilities, but I think it's something I believe is worth trying to do.
But we're going to need everyone's support on this.
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20/month? I'd kick in for a month a year or suchlike.
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$20/mo is a moderate burden for something that is usually provided free through Blizzard's services. The only people who really "desire" a new B-net type server are the DotS guys who lag on B.net normally. As such, I only see those people or philanthropy type people being donators. Anyone else that hears of this server will just mooch and not care if it shuts down later.
How many people are willing to donate to this server and keep it running for even 6 months at a bare minimum? That's $120 right there. Realistically, TSO wants this for a longer term and those costs aren't so low after a year or 2. And the $20/mo is a min cost estimate as well.
TSO: I think to actually attract enough long time donators, you have to offer something more unique than a private b.net server. Other games would work. Me, personally, I had a lot of fun playing a D2 mod called Median XL with Pesco and if the server could also host that, I'd be all over it and would contribute decently. Just one example out of several.
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BNet is merely one of a few ideas I had. DotS was what spawned the initial conversation to get a dedicated game server, and I figured it'd be the most popular use initially. Median XL wouldn't be too difficult to host (the BNet server is already there), nor any other game for that matter.
What I won't host is games that have decent servers already (TF2/L4D/etc), I want to provide access for things that wouldn't easily be replicated. Other than that exclusion, if it's got a server that runs on Linux then I would consider hosting it as long as there's enough interested for it.
Long-term donators are going to be needed for this definitely though.
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Everyone one who voted yes should chip in. :D
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I wouldn't mind helping for a while even if the BNet just turns out to be a flavor-of-the-month deal, as it might lead into the server being used for other entertaining things.
I'll agree to donate $30 up front (25% of the cost for six months). Will it just go into the normal community donation box?
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Yeah the normal donation box is fine. It's for funding for any hosting fees MotK incurs.
Paypal donationbox@shrinemaiden.org
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I use an internet cafe to play online and I'm not sure they can use battle.net with their Warcraft (They can do so with Starcraft 2 though, but I don't own starcraft yet), but as long as this doesn't drain users form Hamachi, I'm all for it. Maybe when I get a better broadband and computer I'll be able to play with you guys on battle.net truly.
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As long as the net cafe can add servers it will still work fine.
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If it's possible, definitely.
One of the reasons: Knockoff in three steps.
*New player in for DotS!*
*Creation of a new Hamachi channel*
*Keri goes FFFFFFF*
Although the bad part on this is that I'm currently unable to do donations, not really on monetary issues, but rather Paypal/debit shenanigans.
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If the private B.net server is beneficial in both latency and playability I am willing to contribute to the fees, but we need to run a test imo first before making this real. Is that possible TSO to have a test?
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Unfortunately not anymore. My desktop at home just decided to commit suicide Friday. :\
=/ that sucks. I managed to save mine from suicide. Suddenly my mobo decided to reset itself losing its RAID mode. Made me think my mobo died, again.
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Yeah my SSD died, after only having it for 9 months. Likely won't get a replacement until after New Year's.
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Welp, I sent the cash, we'll give it a whirl as soon as we're ready I guess.
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You guys are going to make me try this DoTs stuff, blah.. Part of me wants to try it just to have a game with you folks, another part does because it's a multiplayer Touhou game, another part because I just like trying new games...But based on me not really getting into any of the previous dota-like games, I'm scared of looking like a douche by saying I didn't enjoy myself playing with some of you guys =\.
In any case, I hope you guys make good use out of whatever private servers. Moar ways to connect with the community is always nice >=)
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We'll need to get round to making some noob-friendly guidelines.
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But based on me not really getting into any of the previous dota-like games, I'm scared of looking like a douche by saying I didn't enjoy myself playing with some of you guys =\.
I doubt you'll look like a douche for it, you will inevitably get some terrible matches with them jerks being the jerks they are, but we all just bitch and moan after the games, get crap out of our chests and move on :V
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You guys are going to make me try this DoTs stuff, blah.. Part of me wants to try it just to have a game with you folks, another part does because it's a multiplayer Touhou game, another part because I just like trying new games...But based on me not really getting into any of the previous dota-like games, I'm scared of looking like a douche by saying I didn't enjoy myself playing with some of you guys =\.
In any case, I hope you guys make good use out of whatever private servers. Moar ways to connect with the community is always nice >=)
Who says you need to play dots? If you didn't read TSO's post, if you said "no" what would you like to see. And battlenet also allows Diablo2 and stuff.
I don't enjoy some dots games either when I play. That is generally due to extreme spiking/ping and jerk people like Pesco.
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I don't enjoy some dots games either when I play. That is generally due to extreme spiking/ping and jerk people like Pesco.
stfu u n00b host
:trollface:
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Say hello to Henrietta, our game server, and her handler Matsuri. He's pretty much going to be the goto guy managing it (of course I'll be teaching him :V).
Right now what's slated is a BNetd server, and an RO server, as well as moving the Nethack/etc stuff to it. If you got any suggestions now's the time to make them.
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Please bear with me as I learn this stuff. :ohdear:
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Awesome stuff. Let me know what's the server details then I can add it when I get home.
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How about running a minecraft server on it?
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Minecraft is out of the question sadly as it requires an obscene amount of resources to run (try 2gb of ram minimum).
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RO server eh? What rates? I go for around 15x myself.
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yeah 15-25x in that range, nothing too ridiculously high. I take that back, my counterpart in crime (who's going to co-GM) wants 77/77/99 (I assume to make things quicker), so that's what it'll be.
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Say hello to Henrietta, our game server, and her handler Matsuri. He's pretty much going to be the goto guy managing it (of course I'll be teaching him :V).
Right now what's slated is a BNetd server, and an RO server, as well as moving the Nethack/etc stuff to it. If you got any suggestions now's the time to make them.
Ace++ . You just earned one naked Satori/
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Please bear with me as I learn this stuff. :ohdear:
WORK FASTER FOR THE SDM.
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yeah 15-25x in that range, nothing too ridiculously high. I take that back, my counterpart in crime (who's going to co-GM) wants 77/77/99 (I assume to make things quicker), so that's what it'll be.
Damn. With those rates, I myself may be trying RO again.
Just a little.
:<
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You know you want to~ >:D
No I dooooooon't--
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is that a Johnny Bravo genderswap :|
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About the RO server, will it be using renewal mechanics?
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If you mean the Renewal client, yes. I dunno if I'll enable 3rd job classes, from what I hear they're stupid buggy. I am building off the latest SVN checkout.
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If you mean the Renewal client, yes. I dunno if I'll enable 3rd job classes, from what I hear they're stupid buggy. I am building off the latest SVN checkout.
They're only buggy if the players playing actually bother to keep their stuff up-to-date with what the client the server's using.
Otherwise the only "bugs" you will encounter are some minor functionality glitches, as far as I'm concerned. If you care at all about 3rd jobs being ridiculously sick though, you wouldn't be using them. Though it'd suck for me as I would miss gallivanting around as a battle AB Duple Lighting the fuck outta everything.
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That's Aelya's call. I dunno I'm going to run a ninjer or a SB sin myself.
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77x sounds kinda high to me but then I remembered you need like three times as much XP to level after you Trans so I guess it's not that huge.
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77x sounds kinda high to me but then I remembered you need like three times as much XP to level after you Trans so I guess it's not that huge.
77x is actually consider "mid-rate," while it is generally fast for classes such as TU Priests and Wizards, it's still not going to be fast for classes that don't have ezmodo avenues for levelling such as merchants who need to adapt to Mammonite build for easier levelling or FS Priests who cannot solo level period unless they want to healbomb some bitches in gl_(x)...
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The last thing I need to do is get sucked back into RO. If you guys do put up a server, it will be very difficult for me to resist it. :ohdear:
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To those who voted no, are there potentially any other games you'd be interested in that we could host? Suggestions for other games are fine.
Dunno, but most of what's on Bnet is out since I don't know where I put my install discs.
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It's not quite that simple. Were I to vote, I would vote no, but only because I don't do online gaming.
If the question were "Would you like to see an MotK hosted Battle.net server?" then I'd probably vote Yes even though I'd never use it, because it would make a bunch of other people happy and provide this site with additional content. Beefing up MotK's functional content is something I would like to see more than just about anything else that's happened here in the last year and a half.
Iiiih, n-nevermind I voted for Yes then. I don't play WoW, DoTA or any Blizzard Games I might have only heard of / watched >.<;;...
... Or, uhh, if it's used for HatOnline / RO private server anyway, then...uhh...... Yay! >w<