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Title: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on May 26, 2013, 09:41:00 AM
Spoiler warning detected for game discussion and other things. Read and reply in this thread at own risk

Someone help this poor fella, as my heart got stolen by the amazing work from Tasofro and ZUN. Oh dear sweet Byakuren, I would convert to Buddhism if it wasn't for your psycho appearance.

Introduction
Hear hear, sinners and believers. The road to cleansing and salvation can take many forms and lead to many events in your life. So which one shall it be? Which god or goddess or divine faith will you follow? This is the 13.5 instalment of the Touhou series. Hopeless Masquerade the name of the holy "book". And it is being sold now at Reitaisai 10 as we speak. If you wish to purchase your copy, maybe drop a visit at Kourindou (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,566.0.html). Due to heavy load of faith, stocks may run low.

Welcome to the fighting game where our girls will defend their religion and conqueror the world! At least, that is how it looks like.


First impression
We already had a good look at the spriting work and stage design in the demo. How ever let me just say: Wow. Compared to the older fighting games such as 7.5, 10.5 and 12.5 this is a major and I mean major new look. Tasofro seems to be pushing the graphics to their limits and improving the overall general look of the games. Everything also looks to me more mature and less chibi. Enough about my opinions, now then, NAMUSAN!

(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss00a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss00.png)

We're having a different opening screen compared to the demo if I am not mistaking. Here we can most likely take a good glance of the human village where in the trial version we saw a shrine which looked very much like Reimu's stage. Important things to note is the Netplay. Now you can enforce your faith onto your friends, or perhaps beat up a friend to pulp to prove which religion is more supreme. Great isn't it? So who are these girls who are ready for a brawl?

(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss07a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss07.png)

It seems that from each "household" / "team" there are two girls representing them. Miko & Futo from the Taioist household, Byakuren & Ichirin from the Myoren household, Reimu & Marisa from the humans/shinto I guess? Nitori & Koishi from interestingly the Chireiden household. Although it could be implied here that everything below the centre (Random character pick) is a neutral / non religious girl. So Reimu is here solo representing Shinto. ZUN had already hinted us the religious warfare exploding in this game, so it would make sense to put them above the centre and the others below. Though who knows what their motivation is to join these fights. Maybe they are here just for the spell card battles! Then there are also the two mysterious girls. While a lot of people have seen their true identity, I will not spoil them here. You just have to go fight for yourself.


Gameplay
While I am not really an expert on the fighters, I'll just explain what I have seen and compared at basic level. I'll leave the in-depth mechanics and other things to the experts. Most of this was already discussed in the trial, but a quick cover up here is required for the newcomers. First of all it seems that the classic "your feet on the ground" is ignored here. You're flying or using your ability to hover above the ground. This gives the game itself a full 360-ish feeling. You dash/attack from all directions and blocking/attacking from below is no longer only optional when for example your opponent was jumping. The card system seems to be completely eliminated (at least the deck building) and you're now using pre-defined spell cards which need to be set before you actually start the game. There is some customization available which can be stored in profiles. Using attacks and other special abilities drains your mana/spirit/magic bar.

Spell cards and "super moves" are used after you have filled your HP bar with the blue colour. When full, you activate your powers which makes the screen turn fancy, blurry and filled with textures. During this mode you seem to gain some abilities and declaration of a spell card as well.

Did I explain that well? Not sure. Argh. N-na--NAMUSAN!


Looks, feel and hear
We already have mentioned this in our introduction. The graphical update on this game is major and the characters are no longer in their chibi forms.

(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss01a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss01.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss03a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss03.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss06a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss06.png)
Girls are showing off with their fancy clothes and poses. Looking fancy there Futo!

Mature. That is the first word that came into my mind when I spotted the girls like Byakuren, Miko and Reimu. Compared to the other ones in the games, they have a mature feeling to them. The way they move, act and pose. Or could it be because Hijiri Byakuren has been gifted with nice pair of assets? I am sorry for spotting the details, but that is my job after all as bunbunmaru reporter. Get in all the juicy details. Ayayayayaya. (I'll be killed for this.)

Style. That is the second word that came to my mind. It seems that ZUN and Tasofro have taken the presentation of the religions to a different level. No boring preaches or endless jibbeh jabbah about which religion is better. No, it had to be shown. In style and flashy. And what a flashy effects exist in this game. From flying kicks into master sparks into large fists into... road signs.

(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss05a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss05.png)
'No religion parking here!!' said the Kappa girl with a firm voice. Also, Gaijin4koma detected.

The music it self is a very pleasant and classic treat. All girl's original themes have been remixed into stage songs. We can start an endless discussion about this but taste is for everybody subjective. Let me just tell you that I felt a strong flashback of 10.5 where the trumpets and instruments were grand and glorious. You won't be disappointed at all.

Stage designs are also done very nicely. I cannot seem to figure out whether it is true 3D or smart usage of 2D sprites. You can set your quarrels with the girls at Reimu's shrine, while her friends and youkais are sipping tea and cheering for you. Or would you rather take it in front of the public at the human village? Be careful that a certain Hakutaku doesn't mess you up. Well, the doctor will be close by to treat your wounds for a cheap price.

(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss08a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss08.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss10a.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss10.png)
The human villagers and touhou girls seem to be very excited about this fight. "Reimu, You came to the wrong neighbourhood da ze!"


Conclusion
So there you have it ladies and gentleyoukais. A full fetched fighting game, bringing you the pleasure of Touhou in higher definition and controls. I've so far never been much into fighting games in general. Not just Touhou, but the other famous ones as well. Perhaps Hopeless Masquerade will pursue me to play it more often. Even if you're tuning into Touhou as new comer, this game won't be punishing you for the lack of knowledge based on the previous fighting games. There are training modes available and plenty of explanation and customization to get you going.

The netplay is as usual becoming a very important thing in gaming. Glad to see that Tasofro and ZUN don't cling to lame methods such as accounts or other platforms. Although judging this is a Peer2Peer connection, you might want to consider your opponents to avoid lag. Not quite sure how multiplayer experience is in 13.5 compared to the previous games.

Final words, the whole story behind the game I intentionally left out to avoid spoilers. All I can say is: Surely no one should be able to complain now about their religion being ignored. Right?


(http://www.taihou.nl/th135/hmss09.png)
"Ah-hah. Haha...... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA."


Y-You're scaring me, Hijiri-sama!

--Helepolis


Known issues and other useful info
- 1.01 patch available from Tasofro. download from official website. (http://www.tasofro.net/touhou135/index.html#130526)
- 1.02 patch available from Tasofro.
- 1.03 patch available from Tasofro.

- Apparently, the game seems to be suffering slowdown/frame lag from time to time. (confirmed)
- Several graphical bugs and glitches seem to exist. (confirmed)
- People reported crashing, such as with the final boss. The final boss crash can be avoided by running the game in Japanese Local (confirmed)
- Using some characters and using certain attacks leads to crashes (confirmed)

- Glitches/bugs other abuses have been noted which may result in unfair gameplay (semi confirmed)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 09:44:52 AM
Roster's too small, roster's chosen on some weird and possibly arbitrary/nonsensical criteria, and the holy war arc that was being foreshadowed since MoF got sidetracked by an (admittedly cool) only-vaguely-related final boss.

Tasofro did some things well, and some other things...Poorly. I'm less than impressed.

I should be happy. My favorite character is finally playable and so are a bunch of my other favorites. But there's just so many out-of-left-field design, story, and general decisions that just seem off, and lastly it lacks much of the silly charm of the earlier Tasofro fighting games.

Had potential, decent as it is, really needed work.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 09:47:52 AM
...but they already released one patch before the game came out. If that patch isn't fixing everything, then they'll have to send another...

TASOFRO AM CODE GUD so this is fairly standard. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: DSveno on May 26, 2013, 09:51:06 AM
I think that's the usual amount of character for a fighting game with new engine.

After playing for a while, I can say I'm pleased with it since it's fun to play. Now until I could find a decent opponent I will comment about the game's system and balancing. It's not Hisoutensoku (duh, obviously), so it's silly to compare this game to it anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: babalenong on May 26, 2013, 09:53:03 AM
my god the game is awesome, but getting a lot of fps drops and crash at final boss :/ cant wait for another patch
but so far the game is great even though i cant read anything  :justasplanned:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on May 26, 2013, 09:55:31 AM
Apparently it is due to JP Localisation, people say. Cannot confirm.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 09:59:10 AM
I wasn't comparing this to Hisoutensouku in terms of gameplay---the gameplay is one of the things I find solid enough about 13.5, aside from where Tasofro's coding glitches are involved.

My problem---or one of them---is that for example the aesthetics try to be more adult in both good and bad ways. I'm not particularly fond of Futo's somewhat more risque look or Byakuren's...Um...Idle stance.

I don't completely and utterly hate the game, oh no---there's things I do like about it. It's just that the things I DON'T like leave me wondering what the Hell everyone was doing during planning.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: DSveno on May 26, 2013, 10:03:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/oYOOHgT.jpg)

Goddamn I love this game. I can feel the elegance and strength in just one shot.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: DSveno on May 26, 2013, 10:05:37 AM
I don't really know what's wrong with Byakuren's idle stance. Isn't it one of the usual stance in Hokuto no Ken?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 10:08:20 AM
I don't really know what's wrong with Byakuren's idle stance. Isn't it one of the usual stance in Hokuto no Ken?

Check your PMs for the explanation.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 26, 2013, 10:09:13 AM
I don't really know what's wrong with Byakuren's idle stance. Isn't it one of the usual stance in Hokuto no Ken?

2 words. Jiggle physics
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 10:10:44 AM
2 words. Jiggle physics

Yeah, this.

I'm no *definitely* no prude, but given the sprite author's (not Alphes! he just did the portraits) Pixiv gallery, it raises eyebrows.

Also, they built up the plot from TH10 to TH13 and then it turned out to be a red herring. The final boss should have had her own game---as it is, it seems like she felt kinda thrown in, which is a shame as she's memorably creepy.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Limian on May 26, 2013, 10:18:14 AM
Koishi's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kDjbJVfSBs) and Nitori's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsojQrzwRdI) themes on Youtube now.
edit: Futo's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFoXkB4yZBo) is up as well, although I'm not sure whether people will see this considering this is the last post of the page. I guess someone can just repost her theme anyway.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Amraphenson on May 26, 2013, 10:18:39 AM
As usual, a pretty game. But not a well coded one.

Byakuren breakdown:
byakuren must activate her specials before using them. activating is a fairly vulnerable action but it has a fast startup. the process goes like this:
set special to any direction>use special to gain 'charges' of it by displaying Byakuren's scroll>you may now use that special for however many charges you want, regardless of the original direction input. if you access her kick special for example with a left+ab, you can use any other direction if you have the kick special set to them.


projectile differences:
Shinto
normal projectile is a medium speed, aimed at where the opponent is but does not home
heavy projectile can be aimed and is multi hit
Tao:
normal projectile becomes much faster at the cost of a much smaller hitbox, to the point where it cannot be used in corner combos save for as a cancel
heavy projectile becomes a flying disc that only goes straight, again with a much smaller hitbox
Buddhist:
normal projectile becomes fairly high speed but has a maximum range; if it reaches this range, it stays in place with a persistent hitbox for about a second.
heavy projectile becomes a point blank orb that is multi-hitting

super1:
throws a projectile very quickly directly forwards. if it hits, does a followup THEN multi-hit combo thing with a kick ender. if you hit this in the corner the opponent is pulled out of it. if something hits the enemy inbetween the projectile and the followup, then the entire things whiffs because they get pushed out of the hitbox for the followup.
super2:
melee counter super, does lots of damage.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zil on May 26, 2013, 10:25:01 AM
I think we can all agree, boobs on Touhous is wrong wrong wrong.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 10:26:16 AM
I think we can all agree, boobs on Touhous is wrong wrong wrong.

Having a figure is one thing, the artist shamelessly trying to use it to draw attention is another thing.

Given the sprite author's other Pixiv artwork I really doubt he's doing these things for the sake of women's lib.

At any rate, the issue I have with it is that ZUN tolerates but does not particularly like porn of the series from what I'm told, so I'm wondering if one or both parties were out to lunch when some of these design/staff decisions were greenlighted.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Amraphenson on May 26, 2013, 10:33:57 AM
koishi basic description:
I was high when I said it was just hold and release on irc

press heavy melee or heavy projectile. in the corner, the corresponding icon will begin to flash. once it stops flashing and has lit up constantly, the move is primed; whatever move you inputted+direction you inputted it with will come out the next time you are in a position it would hit the enemy or after enough time passes (about 5 seconds)
Example: I unput up+heavymelee. the next time I am directly below the enemy, Koishi automatically lightbulbs them.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Frog on May 26, 2013, 10:51:20 AM
Can I just say
mamizou's
stage is the best.
Bunch of drunk tanuki sitting around watching you fight.

Edit: woops forgot not to spoil everything
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tengukami on May 26, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
At any rate, the issue I have with it is that ZUN tolerates but does not particularly like porn of the series from what I'm told, so I'm wondering if one or both parties were out to lunch when some of these design/staff decisions were greenlighted.
I'm ... really not seeing how anything in this game even remotely approaches porn.

I don't really go for fighting games all that much myself, and think it would've been nice to see a larger roster. But considering that many older 2hus already had their chance to shine in IaMP, it makes total sense that this time around there'd be a greater emphasis on UFO and TD characters, so I don't think there was anything arbitrary about the choices made.

Visually and musically, this game is very impressive - some of these combos are jaw-dropping - and it's clear the team put a lot of time and effort into making this game blaze a new trail here.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: DSveno on May 26, 2013, 11:05:29 AM
I'm not going to lie. If you guys didn't point it out, I wouldn't have noticed it. That's the last thing I pay attention to when I'm playing the game.

I guess it's different strokes for different folks. Some people just pay way too much attention to those detail. Given that I'm an illustration artist, so such thing just naturally came out of my work, but I think you guys just make a big deal out of it =/.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Formless God on May 26, 2013, 11:07:12 AM
Goddamn, just when I was about to lament the lack of Tenshi, Kokoro fired a laser beam equally huge into my face :getdown:
Btw the game runs smoother than butter on my
not
i7.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 26, 2013, 11:09:50 AM
(spoilers)I knew it!(spoilers) (http://gyazo.com/6a67d32f1815e0c4527a5faf91daa3da.png)
Title: Re: [Article] Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 11:15:31 AM
I'm ... really not seeing how anything in this game even remotely approaches porn.

A lot of the spriter's Pixiv is most definitely lolicon porn. Admittedly not of Touhou characters but I'm still wondering on what grounds the parties involved decided to work with each other.

Quote
I don't really go for fighting games all that much myself, and think it would've been nice to see a larger roster. But considering that many older 2hus already had their chance to shine in IaMP, it makes total sense that this time around there'd be a greater emphasis on UFO and TD characters, so I don't think there was anything arbitrary about the choices made.

I was expecting Moriyas vs Reimu vs Buddhists vs Taoists vs some misc. outsiders, and instead we wound up with Koishi fighting on behalf of the Buddhists for reasons listed in SoPM that I have trouble imagining anyone could have thought of as a serious alliance, and Nitori as a raging atheist, and the Moriyas sitting on the sidelines at the exact precise time you'd expect them to be in the thick of it.

It felt like they were trying to shoehorn crowd favorites into the game to some extent---Ichirin was a good fit for the game because she already belonged to a faction and wasn't as developed as a character as some of the others, so putting her in was a good choice. Koishi's appearance was explainable but unexpected, and Nitori's appearance...Bleh, I don't even want to go there.

And at any rate the arc wound up concluding with the masked girl who, while unintentionally responsible for the village falling into a fugue in the first place, had no vested interest in the faction war.

The game has a lot of good elements that feel too scattered all over the place and fit unevenly with each other.

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Visually and musically, this game is very impressive - some of these combos are jaw-dropping - and it's clear the team put a lot of time and effort into making this game blaze a new trail here.

Yeah, production values are good.

I'm not going to lie. If you guys didn't point it out, I wouldn't have noticed it. That's the last thing I pay attention to when I'm playing the game.

Blame people in the various IRC channels for making a big deal out of it. :V
Title: Re: [Article] Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Limian on May 26, 2013, 11:20:31 AM
I don't really go for fighting games all that much myself, and think it would've been nice to see a larger roster. But considering that many older 2hus already had their chance to shine in IaMP, it makes total sense that this time around there'd be a greater emphasis on UFO and TD characters, so I don't think there was anything arbitrary about the choices made.
It's not so much about the IaMP roster (who expected Alice/Yuyuko/Suika anyway), but about all the missed opportunities from the games you mentioned (and oh lord MoF). Sanae/Kanako/Shou/Seiga all would have made great fits, but instead we got demi-semi-related characters like Nitori, Koishi and Mamizou (which are admittedly awesome, though). On the bright side, we can always hope for a sequel that adds new (or old) characters to the list ? la SWR, so maybe the situation is not as hopeless (ha).
Title: Re: [Article] Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tengukami on May 26, 2013, 11:26:23 AM
A lot of the spriter's Pixiv is most definitely lolicon porn. Admittedly not of Touhou characters but I'm still wondering on what grounds the parties involved decided to work with each other.
Probably on their artistic ability. I mean, I expect that in the doujin community, the fact that artists can and will draw porn is something ZUN has probably made his peace with. And again, I'm not seeing anything in the game that approaches porn.

It's not so much about the IaMP roster (who expected Alice/Yuyuko/Suika anyway), but about all the missed opportunities from the games you mentioned (and oh lord MoF). Sanae/Kanako/Shou/Seiga all would have made great fits, but instead we got demi-semi-related characters like Nitori, Koishi and Mamizou (which are admittedly awesome, though). On the bright side, we can always hope for a sequel that adds new (or old) characters to the list ? la SWR, so maybe the situation is not as hopeless (ha).
Yeah, I think that's a fair point, although some of the stuff Nitori does in this game is WOW. Go Team Atheist!
Title: Re: [Article] Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 11:31:12 AM
Probably on their artistic ability. I mean, I expect that in the doujin community, the fact that artists can and will draw porn is something ZUN has probably made his peace with. And again, I'm not seeing anything in the game that approaches porn.

I suppose I can live with that much, even if I don't like it---I think it's related on some level to how in the indie comics market over here in the U.S. there's too many zombie-themed publications. :V

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Yeah, I think that's a fair point, although some of the stuff Nitori does in this game is WOW. Go Team Atheist!

I'm not sure whether to find her presence in this game infuriating, amusing, or just confusing.

Infuriating because she's going Dawkins on people and militant atheism is one of my pet peeves, doubly so since I'm a nonbeliever myself.

Amusing because when you think about it her doing so in the presence of actual physical gods is kinda amusingly thick-skulled.

Confusing because her slot is not taken up by the Moriyas or Okuu instead. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shizzo on May 26, 2013, 11:33:37 AM
Eager to see some Koishi combo vids.  Her quirk seems so... odd to be well used in a real match.  I don't even know if comboing with her would be much possible.  I just hope Tasofro releases a patch already so I can see how the final boss' battle looks like. 

P.S.: To whoever is using Kokoro in their sign/avatars, please consider waiting a few hours (at least) for the people who want to see how the game's final boss looks like for themselves.  It really spoils the surprise for some people.  I'd be pretty annoyed if it happened with me.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tengukami on May 26, 2013, 11:33:54 AM
Well, I'm a sucker for kappas, so that might shade my opinion a bit.

Also finding it somehow fitting that Koishi continues to crash the game.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 26, 2013, 11:37:26 AM
How the hell does Koishi work? What are the keys to do whatever/blah? If anything I'm kinda disappointed with her...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 11:39:38 AM
Well, I'm a sucker for kappas, so that might shade my opinion a bit.

Give me playable kappa mob and then we'll talk again.

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Also finding it somehow fitting that Koishi continues to crash the game.

BSOD Sign - Egregious Typo :getdown:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: DX7.EP on May 26, 2013, 11:43:10 AM
Also finding it somehow fitting that Koishi continues to crash the game.
Such an OP character due to her Destroy move Astral Finish Koishi Hell-esque special ability, TasoFro nerf her ASAP! :V

Watched stream overnight, and find the impression...okay. Visuals and music are great for the most part, characters are a mixed bag (some are very fitting, others such as Koi not so much), variety in moves pretty good, and final boss...a little puzzling at the moment. There's quite a bit more room to expand on this engine and game plot, but for what it is it holds up.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Quwanti on May 26, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
Hopefully the music will be extracted as soon as possible, as well is image rips.

Trying to find those few characters nowhere seen (Meiling, Flandre, Alice, Kisume, Yamame, Kasen and Akyuu).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 11:52:00 AM
On its own merits I would say it's okay but it's a rather awkward return to form and for that matter conclusion to an actual honest-to-gosh plot arc after so long without any new games.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tengukami on May 26, 2013, 12:01:25 PM
On its own merits I would say it's okay but it's a rather awkward return to form and for that matter conclusion to an actual honest-to-gosh plot arc after so long without any new games.
Really? Because that's the part that I think's most fitting of all. Reps from all the faiths just saying "OK enough of this pretty danmaku stuff - time to throw down!". Unless you mean the lack of Moriya or something.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 12:07:40 PM
Really? Because that's the part that I think's most fitting of all. Reps from all the faiths just saying "OK enough of this pretty danmaku stuff - time to throw down!". Unless you mean the lack of Moriya or something.

The crux of the plot turned out to be a new party causing the village's despair, rather than any actual despair on the village's part, basically making the entire holy war arc and especially this concluding episode something of a red herring. And I think Okuu and the Moriyas would have made for fitting candidates.

Basically I'm saying that there's a lot of opportunities Taso missed here, and the reasons they were missed are kind of strange.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tengukami on May 26, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
The crux of the plot turned out to be a new party causing the village's despair, rather than any actual despair on the village's part, basically making the entire holy war arc and especially this concluding episode something of a red herring.
I'm not sure how this is a red herring. If you think about it, an outside party stirring shit between different factions would make more sense in a land where disparate types of people have always been able to (albeit grudgingly) tolerate each other, the danmaku fights notwithstanding. It also makes the matter a lot easier to resolve than somehow everyone joining hands and making everyone in the village feel better. I mean, I see what you're saying from a narrative POV, sure, but I'm not sure how that narrative would translate into a game. In other words, it seems like a fitting game ending to a game arc. The absence of Moriyas aside.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 12:30:17 PM
I'm not sure how this is a red herring. If you think about it, an outside party stirring shit between different factions would make more sense in a land where disparate types of people have always been able to (albeit grudgingly) tolerate each other, the danmaku fights notwithstanding. It also makes the matter a lot easier to resolve than somehow everyone joining hands and making everyone in the village feel better. I mean, I see what you're saying from a narrative POV, sure, but I'm not sure how that narrative would translate into a game. In other words, it seems like a fitting game ending to a game arc. The absence of Moriyas aside.

If it was a straight slugmatch between all of the religions with nothing else to it I figure each faction/character would have a different ending, each with different degrees of overlap with the other endings---IIRC one of the prior Taso games had very different endings for each character, all assumed to have varying degrees of canonicity, mainly because there wasn't much overlap.

I imagine something like that wouldn't really work in a title where there's some sort of ostensible win condition instead of a bunch of characters running around and slapping the shit out of each other, admittedly.

That much said, something about the final result seems more than a bit haphazard---the jigsaw pieces are there, and they fit, but they fit awkwardly.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kilgamayan on May 26, 2013, 12:38:48 PM
Even with being distracted by AnimeBoston this weekend an cosplaying a character with earmuffs, I still wasn't able to avoid hearing plenty of complaining about this game from people that aren't going to buy it. Fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: The ⑨th Zentillion on May 26, 2013, 12:48:05 PM
You know, I've been thinking on it, and from what I can recall,  the Moriyas don't really need that much need human faith because they found enough of it from the youkai on the mountain. Perhaps they didn't participate because they didn't feel it was necessary to get in on the faith from the villagers since things have worked well with them so far? Of course, it's a rather weak argument, and considering the kappa are supposed to be contributors to the Moriyans' faith pool and Nitori seems to have gone "atheist" (which isn't actually the proper term considering gods being real is common knowledge if not an absolute unlike with us outside worlders)... Oh well, the "we don't need human faith" angle is plausible, just weakish.

Kilga: That's because they're hypocites just oozing with fandumb goop.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 26, 2013, 12:49:43 PM
e: Wrong thread (I think)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
You know, I've been thinking on it, and from what I can recall,  the Moriyas don't really need that much need human faith because they found enough of it from the youkai on the mountain. Perhaps they didn't participate because they didn't feel it was necessary to get in on the faith from the villagers since things have worked well with them so far? Of course, it's a rather weak argument, and considering the kappa are supposed to be contributors to the Moriyans' faith pool and Nitori seems to have gone "atheist" (which isn't actually the proper term considering gods being real is common knowledge if not an absolute unlike with us outside worlders)... Oh well, the "we don't need human faith" angle is plausible, just weakish.

Weirdly, that makes more sense than the Moriyas sitting it out purely so they could finish off the winner between the Taoists and the Buddhists.

Though why bother bringing electricity and whatnot to the humans, then?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: The ⑨th Zentillion on May 26, 2013, 12:58:29 PM
Though why bother bringing electricity and whatnot to the humans, then?

That's the biggest hole in the theory, yep.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on May 26, 2013, 01:27:16 PM
So... has anyone been able to unlock
Kokoro
? I've beaten story mode with everyone, including oddly enough the person in question, but she's still not unlocked for practice/vs/etc. Also I can't edit her decks, nor do I even have any decks for her, which made story mode interesting to say the least. I tried beating
Mamizou's
route again just in case it didn't trigger the right flag for some reason, but that didn't work. So... is this a common bug or am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: qMyon on May 26, 2013, 01:28:47 PM
Egh, I'm fairly certain they'll do an expansion on this later. Just a gut feeling, can't really explain my reasoning for now.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tengukami on May 26, 2013, 01:29:44 PM
That's the biggest hole in the theory, yep.
They're newcomers. It was a gesture of goodwill. Basic diplomacy, mah boy.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Egh, I'm fairly certain they'll do an expansion on this later. Just a gut feeling, can't really explain my reasoning for now.

Same reason day one DLC exists for bigger-time games, I think. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 26, 2013, 01:38:02 PM
Hopefully the music will be extracted as soon as possible, as well is image rips.

Trying to find those few characters nowhere seen (Meiling, Flandre, Alice, Kisume, Yamame, Kasen and Akyuu).

Someone on Youtube is uploading them and providing download links. Though the links are actually recordings from the game itself I personally edited them for my on viewing to cut the title music out.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Formless God on May 26, 2013, 01:43:33 PM
Do I need to beat the game on a specific difficulty to unlock the last two characters? Also, are there Story Modes for characters other than Reimu and Marisa? Found the answer to this.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on May 26, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
Just to give people more of the music:
Fake Character theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuTczFrQwRo

Mamizou's theme:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QClZeBcinY

Final Boss theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLKzVQkvPHk

Ending Theme(?)(Note, has picture of the final boss): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujy34q6g-6o

EDIT: This is why putting multiple links can be troublesome. Added the proper link for the final boss.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shizzo on May 26, 2013, 01:50:31 PM
Do I need to beat the game on a specific difficulty to unlock the last two characters? Also, are there Story Modes for characters other than Reimu and Marisa? Found the answer to this.

I'm curious about that as well.  Could you please tell us the answer you found?

And by the way, anybody else still having trouble with the game crashing before the final boss battle?  Even after the 1.01 patch. 
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Formless God on May 26, 2013, 01:58:56 PM
According to 4chen, you unlock more by clearing Story with all the available characters (clearing with Reimu and Marisa unlocks the next "pair", and so on). I haven't tested this, though.
My game didn't crash before the final boss. I'm using 1.01.

Btw, the link to the final boss theme above is wrong.
Code: [Select]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLKzVQkvPHk1:13 sounds Kingdom Hearts-ish. The song overall sounds like something out of a ZUN music CD. Has a pretty healthy variation to its melodies, but doesn't have much "peaks". I'll probably open up to it after a while, though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on May 26, 2013, 02:00:54 PM
I'm curious about that as well.  Could you please tell us the answer you found?

And by the way, anybody else still having trouble with the game crashing before the final boss battle?  Even after the 1.01 patch.

I beat it on Easy with everyone and got Mamizou.
Kokoro
is still locked though. Cuc tells me she's not even playable yet and they'll unlock her with a patch sometime. Which is... odd. Maybe I should have read the manual.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 26, 2013, 02:09:54 PM
I beat it on Easy with everyone and got Mamizou.
Kokoro
is still locked though. Cuc tells me she's not even playable yet and they'll unlock her with a patch sometime. Which is... odd. Maybe I should have read the manual.
Whenever I get to Kokoro the game crashes. Any idea why?
(Also I used Reimu and used 1-2 continues)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Omega on May 26, 2013, 02:17:49 PM
Whenever I get to Kokoro the game crashes. Any idea why?
(Also I used Reimu and used 1-2 continues)

Apparently,you have to run the game on  japanese locale.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: aListers on May 26, 2013, 02:43:11 PM
I'm curious about that as well.  Could you please tell us the answer you found?

And by the way, anybody else still having trouble with the game crashing before the final boss battle?  Even after the 1.01 patch.

I fixed it by switching my system locale to japanese. I'm not sure if that's recommended though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on May 26, 2013, 03:07:24 PM
I've created a new paragraph in the opening post reporting some of the known issues/bugs/problems for easy lookup. If more needs to be added, let me know here in the thread.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PJ on May 26, 2013, 03:09:25 PM
Quote
I cannot seem to figure out whether it is true 3D
It is full 3D. I ripped the Human Village from the demo, along with the Hakurei Shrine. I don't see why anybody would think it's just sprites.  :V
Am I wrong for preferring
Futatsuiwa from Gensokyo
to
Futatsuiwa from Sado
?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: HyperGumba on May 26, 2013, 03:23:52 PM
Now that I have the Day 0 patch installed and machine set to locale, I was finally able to complete Reimu's story.

Too bad Koishi's specials still crash the game :(
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on May 26, 2013, 03:38:48 PM
Messing around with Koishi in vs. Com mode, holy crap she is odd to play. Your moves decide when to cast themselves; anything that isn't regular melee.

If you queue up the right sets of moves, then after you land a melee hit they'll start comboing themselves together! I was like "OH GOD KOISHI IS PLAYING THE GAME FOR ME AAAAA" it's fun and also really strange.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gray21oh on May 26, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
While I'm here I might give my two cents on the game.
The graphics are just eye melting, I think one can call Touhou in general a "rainbow city" series but I think this is just a love letter to that statement with stages and combos looking oh-so pretty.

While the roster is a tad disappointing (would've loved to Moriya trio to be in along with select others) I think it makes up in the variety of how the characters play as there is 4 different alignments that people will probably explore. Not to mention I find this deck system MILES better than the SWR/Soku deck system in which you get the movies right off the bat instead of building up a card gauge while on the field.

I love the arrangements of the themes here, the first three theme arrangements we heard from the past demo's are still pretty good and the other characters themes sound fantastic also (gotta love them acoustics in Futo's theme).
Kokoro's theme sounds like something from Mario & Luigi.

Over-all I'd rank HM as one of my favourites of the Touhou fighters and maybe just one of the best games to come out for 2013. While I would consider IaMP to be the better Touhou fighter because of how more so traditional it is, I think this is a pretty great entree that probably should be worth your time and money for what it does.

Although right now the game needs some patches because Koishi quite literally breaks the game.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Lavalake on May 26, 2013, 04:06:02 PM
Too bad I don't have the game.  :V
But I think everyone represents a religion making each religion have 3 characters except Taoism plus two mystery character.

Warning spoilers of the characters...kind of
Shinto would have Reimu, Marisa and Nitori because she helped Suwako and Kanako before.
Taoism would have Miko, Futo
Buddhism would have Byakuren, Ichirin, and Koishi because Byakuren wants to help Koishi with her state.

If only had the game... But overall from then looks and sounds of it, I would really love to have this game. And Koishi is controlling herself.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fishsicles on May 26, 2013, 04:14:13 PM
Where are people buying their copies of the game?

I have not been in the fandom when a new game came out (found my way here right after Ten Desires hit); do the usual vendors send them out this quickly, or is it on Tasofro's website, what?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PJ on May 26, 2013, 04:36:53 PM
Shinto would have Reimu, Marisa and Nitori because she helped Suwako and Kanako before.
Marisa isn't Shinto, she's the "Magician Representing Humanity". So, if anything, she'd prefer Tao over Shinto.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on May 26, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
You know... I never understood why people were calling the whole 10-13 arc "Religious War". There was no conflict between the factions at all. (no more than normal for Gensokyo, at least). At most, there were some sparks between Byakuren and Miko in SoPM. Kanako showed 0 interest in going against either them; hell, the Moriyas helped Byakuren build her temple, even.

All I'm saying is that I don't see how the story turned the religious conflict in a red herring, since there was no real religious conflict in the first place.

Also the final boss is adorable.
Using her masks to express her emotions is too damn cute aaaaaaa

As for everything else, I'll just say, with complete honesty, I don't remember the last I had to much fun playing a game. I was so damn happy that I didn't even get mad when the game crashed before the last boss. Goddamn, I'm still smilling like an idiot from my first playthrough!

Now to desperately try to stop the game from crashing so I can finish it!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Unfortunate on May 26, 2013, 05:13:39 PM
Unfortunately, the game crashing looks like a pretty common problem. I'll give it a few days before Tasofro can make a patch to fix all these problem.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on May 26, 2013, 05:42:03 PM
Changing the locale to japanese stopped my game from crashing before the final boss, but Koishi's specials still crash.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 26, 2013, 05:43:17 PM
So looks like Koishi's thorny roses are what's crashing the game for me. Even with it patched it still crashes
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kingault on May 26, 2013, 05:43:56 PM
Marisa isn't Shinto, she's the "Magician Representing Humanity". So, if anything, she'd prefer Tao over Shinto.

Also, Nitori's a member of the kappa group that dislikes religion.

Also,
Mamizou would be Buddhist at best, considering her ties...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tiamat on May 26, 2013, 05:44:59 PM
Do we have any actual details in the in-game story yet? Maybe Nitori represents Kanako without realizing it, since Kanako is trying to become a god of technology. By showing off the power of technology, Nitori is gathering faith for Kanako but has no idea that she's doing so, which leads to hilarity in the ending.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kingault on May 26, 2013, 05:46:37 PM
Do we have any actual details in the in-game story yet? Maybe Nitori represents Kanako without realizing it, since Kanako is trying to become a god of technology. By showing off the power of technology, Nitori is gathering faith for Kanako but has no idea that she's doing so, which leads to hilarity in the ending.

Mind telling me the ending via PM? Don't want to spoil it for others.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Frog on May 26, 2013, 05:48:45 PM
So looks like Koishi's thorny roses are what's crashing the game for me. Even with it patched it still crashes
You're not alone, as far as I know that's the case for everyone.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 26, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
Hey. Anyone know how to unlock characters? Missing the last 2 for versus
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on May 26, 2013, 06:06:26 PM
Hey. Anyone know how to unlock characters? Missing the last 2 for versus
You unlock one by beating Story Mode with the first 8 (on any difficulty). The other can't be unlocked yet, as far as I know. I'm told this is because she's unfinished and not ready to be played. Presumably she'll be patched in at some point.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: babalenong on May 26, 2013, 06:12:23 PM
can someone translate the options menu? trying to get rid of lag as much as possible but i don't want to use the half fps setting
this thing is more demanding than crysis  :P
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 26, 2013, 06:19:03 PM
Apparently,you have to run the game on  japanese locale.
Applocale refuses to run with it though.
E: How do you patch the game?
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Post by: Stuffman on May 26, 2013, 06:28:01 PM
Any info on what the new item cards do yet?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
can someone translate the options menu? trying to get rid of lag as much as possible but i don't want to use the half fps setting
this thing is more demanding than crysis  :P
Same here. It lags REALLY heavily on the newspaper part especially. What's the best set of options for reducing lag for it?
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Post by: SeasideCharizard on May 26, 2013, 06:45:47 PM
Same here. It lags REALLY heavily on the newspaper part especially. What's the best set of options for reducing lag for it?
I'd half the frame rate; this game in particular doesn't suffer many adverse effects from it, and pretty much all your lags disappears (unless that's not the problem).
Trust me, it's not as bad as, say, Melty Blood's 1/2 frame rate  :V
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Post by: StratusAsterion on May 26, 2013, 06:48:16 PM
Taken from the Touhou Wiki
"Human Village stage  Alice Margatroid, Eirin Yagokoro, Fujiwara no Mokou, Kaguya Houraisan, Keine Kamishirasawa, Kosuzu Motoori, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Rinnosuke Morichika, Suika Ibuki, Tewi Inaba, Yuugi Hoshiguma, several humans"

What? Yes I know its a wiki but whats this all about?

EDIT: Just saw the pic on the first page in the human village I also don't see Suika and Yuugi so I guess its just an error
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Post by: CyberAngel on May 26, 2013, 06:53:10 PM
Say, what's the lowest screen resolution this game has?
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 26, 2013, 07:02:36 PM
Taken from the Touhou Wiki
"Human Village stage  Alice Margatroid, Eirin Yagokoro, Fujiwara no Mokou, Kaguya Houraisan, Keine Kamishirasawa, Kosuzu Motoori, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Rinnosuke Morichika, Suika Ibuki, Tewi Inaba, Yuugi Hoshiguma, several humans"

What? Yes I know its a wiki but whats this all about?

EDIT: Just saw the pic on the first page in the human village I also don't see Suika and Yuugi so I guess its just an error
Right here:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/316rm8n.png)
She's pretty hard to see. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't notice her. Lonely Alice is lonely, I guess.
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Post by: StratusAsterion on May 26, 2013, 07:08:28 PM
She's pretty hard to see. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't notice her. Lonely Alice is lonely, I guess.

Aww she's all alone but she looks so cute! She's not there on the pic in the first page, can the audience change or was that just an older pic?
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Post by: Atfyntify on May 26, 2013, 07:11:35 PM
I have a question, how do we unlock other characters for story mode? Because I can only play as Reimu and Marisa. I've beaten story mode with Marisa but not Reimu yet.
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Post by: Limian on May 26, 2013, 07:17:04 PM
Aww she's all alone but she looks so cute! She's not there on the pic in the first page, can the audience change or was that just an older pic?
Iku and Tenshi have been added later on to the Palanquin Ship, so the audience can (well, could) definitely change. There's no way to know with Alice, though, as the first screenshot we saw of the Human Stage was scrolled too far to the left to see her.
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Post by: StratusAsterion on May 26, 2013, 07:19:22 PM
Iku and Tenshi have been added later on to the Palanquin Ship, so the audience can (well, could) definitely change. There's no way to know with Alice, though, as the first screenshot we saw of the Human Stage was scrolled too far to the left to see her.

Good point, but Suika and Yuugi aren't there in the first pic either (mind you they could come out every now and then throughout a battle I have no idea.)
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Post by: Tsalop on May 26, 2013, 07:20:21 PM
Okay... They really need to balance Miko as she is too overpowered. Just by spamming her lazer-attack I completed the story mode nearly without getting hits (Mamizous demon parade was too much).
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Post by: monhan on May 26, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
I have a question, how do we unlock other characters for story mode? Because I can only play as Reimu and Marisa. I've beaten story mode with Marisa but not Reimu yet.
As far as I know from all the comments, keep on beating the story mode a pair in any difficulty with to unlock a new pair, so on so forth until you get Mamizou.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 26, 2013, 07:21:29 PM
Damn the game crashed after the dialog with the final boss. Anyone know why?
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Post by: Hinacle on May 26, 2013, 07:22:28 PM
I have a question, how do we unlock other characters for story mode? Because I can only play as Reimu and Marisa. I've beaten story mode with Marisa but not Reimu yet.
Play as Reimu and then you'll get Byakuren and Miko and just keep beating the stories.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 26, 2013, 08:21:15 PM
Where are people buying their copies of the game?

I have not been in the fandom when a new game came out (found my way here right after Ten Desires hit); do the usual vendors send them out this quickly, or is it on Tasofro's website, what?

I don't know for sure but you can try websites that keep Japanese games in stock. I got the game from a friend so I'm all good.

Though I hate having to play with 1/2 framerate but the lag is killing me.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 26, 2013, 08:28:08 PM
- People reported crashing, such as with the final boss. The final boss crash can be avoided by running the game in Japanese Local (unconfirmed)

I've been running in Japanese Locale and I've yet to crash. At all.

E: Read the rest of the thread, question was answered.
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Post by: Helepolis on May 26, 2013, 08:46:28 PM
Correct. I did a playthrough myself as well with Marisa and had no crash. I have to run the game in Japanese local as otherwise the dialogues are completely messed up.
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Post by: Amraphenson on May 26, 2013, 09:14:33 PM
http://www.twitch.tv/amraphenson/c/2336347
http://www.twitch.tv/amraphenson/c/2336294

I woke up and streamed HM immediately. highlights from the stream, and spoilers for story mode.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 09:15:28 PM
No crashes here. My brother has been playing on Easy and got the first two pairs of characters' stories done, all without problems. Of course, my laptop is in perma-Japanese locale due to not wanting to have to deal with AppLocale nonsense.
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Post by: fondue on May 26, 2013, 09:29:18 PM
I fixed the problem; made an applocale shortcut with administrator only on it. Hele-sama, you might want to add this to the main post.
e: Also, please keep Reimu's purple amulets in the left slot in the deck customization in the menu. They're OP~
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Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 10:20:21 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/637b8c65a8ba969cfdb36f4c20126319/tumblr_mnfesf4kkB1rwx9u3o1_500.jpg)
byakuren gameplay guide used by top-level professionals [MLG]
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Post by: Rei Scarlette on May 26, 2013, 10:21:06 PM
I read that the game was crashing when playing as Koishi, but I've never had that problem so far. Can't seem to find the post though (a little busy atm, so yes, I didn't look very hard) was there a specific cause for the crash? It's not happening at all.
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Post by: Stuffman on May 26, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
The crash is caused by Koishi's rose vine special, and only if you have patched.

(Note: if you don't patch, Futo becomes basically unplayable instead because her heavy bullets don't leave plates and she's missing various other improvement tweaks as well, so this isn't a viable solution)
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Post by: Metaflare on May 26, 2013, 10:25:51 PM
one of her rose attacks crashes the game. seems to be a universal thing so you prolly just haven't stumbled upon it yet
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Post by: Rei Scarlette on May 26, 2013, 10:29:55 PM
Ah, only if you have it patched? That explains it, I wasn't going to bother patching until I found what the problem was (just curious) and

Quote
(Note: if you don't patch, Futo becomes basically unplayable instead because her heavy bullets don't leave plates and she's missing various other improvement tweaks as well, so this isn't a viable solution)

Apparently I've just found my answer.

Well if I had to choose from playable Koishi + nonworking Futo, or working Futo + crashing Koishi... Both options aren't that great but I'll stick with unpatched for now I guess :derp:

Edit: Oh and thanks for the quick reply, guys.
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Post by: SeasideCharizard on May 26, 2013, 10:47:19 PM
So I got my copy, blazed through Marisa and Reimu's stories (but damn, Mamizou's Night Parade is crazy), no crashes.
I got the final boss crash after the credits of Miko's story, though that might be an unrelated crash since I haven't crashed during the actual gameplay.

BTWIfYou'rePlayingReimu
YoukaiBusterGodlikeOPTier
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 26, 2013, 10:48:01 PM
Gah the controls seem to be a bit wonky for me to get used too... so embarrassing... to lose a life on stage 1.  :ohdear:
I will learn how to play... I just need to get used to the whole game and remember I AM NOT PLAYING SWR OR HISOU!  :getdown:
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 10:50:47 PM
I will learn how to play... I just need to get used to the whole game and remember I AM NOT PLAYING SWR OR HISOU!  :getdown:

The way I adjusted was by concluding that it was a fighting game that felt like a flight simulator. :V
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 26, 2013, 11:09:11 PM
Anyone got a translation of the deck set up for Byakuren?
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Post by: zferolie on May 26, 2013, 11:13:14 PM
Anyone got a translation of the deck set up for Byakuren?

Yeah, I hope someone can translate the moves. Byakuren has given me the most trouble... other then Koishi...

Now, I don't have the patch... I think, but I have not see one crash yet.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 26, 2013, 11:30:28 PM
URGH... how does the monster parade spell card work... it's so weird... I thought it was based on where
Mamizou
was, but somehow I end up one way or the other get trampled by the parade even if I moved out of the way. :(
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Post by: Suikama on May 26, 2013, 11:38:12 PM
which characters haven't shown up in any backgrounds yet?
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Post by: Sanger Zonvolt on May 26, 2013, 11:43:24 PM
Anyone want to netplay?  :3

I'll be in the sokumaidens IRC if anyone wants to play.

http://webchat.ppirc.net/?channels=sokumaidens
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Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
From the stream recording, the characters on each of the new stages seems to be:

Youkai Mountain - Sanae, Suwako, Kanako, Aya, Hatate, Hina, Nameless Kappas, Aki Sisters
Tao Temple - Yoshika, Seiga, Komachi, Eiki, Primsrivers, Youmu, Yuyuko, Soga
Earth Spirit Palace - Utusho, Rin, Satori, Parsee [This amused me for some reason, seeing as both are rather hated], tons of animals
Forest[?] - Sunny, Luna, Star, Cirno, Lilly White, Utusho, Rin, Aki Sisters, Shou, Satori, Sanae, Kyouko, Suwako, Kogasa, Tenshi, Iku, Hina, Wriggle, Parsee [OK what are you of all doing above ground?]
Night Forest - Tanukis
Final Stage - Humans
Planquin Ship: + Tenshi and Iku
Futo's stage - Letty [?!], Yuuka, Rumia, Sunny, Luna, Star, Cirno [With Letty ofc], Medicine, Mystia, Wriggle, Lilly White
Myouren: Shou, Kyouko, Kogasa, Nameless humans/youkai, Aya, Hatate

Post PC-98 characters who do not appear: Momiji, Yorihime, Toyohime, Kotesu, Reisen II Lilly Black, Yamane, Kisume *

Apparently Momiji, Yamane and Kisume are hated and forgotten. [Lilly Black may or may not be Lilly White]

Also a few other crowd things of note:

1: Apparently Letty doesn't vanish when it's not Winter anymore. In fact, her and Lilly can exist at the same time, apparently.
2: Sanae is pretty much the only crowd character other than Yuugi with a visible bust. She's also pretty tall, and looks early 20's tbh now. I find this particularly interesting considering the likes of Yuuka and Komachi seem rather flat. Of course, characters further in the background are harder to tell than with Sanae... who's in the forreground. And bouncing up and down. DAMNIT SANAE. Oh, and Nitori's flat despite her being one of few characters to ever have any bust at all in ZUNART.
3: Rumia apparently has better control of her powers. She's not made everything dark.
4: Kogasa is still moe.
5: Apparently relations with below ground have got to the stage where Satori can come above ground and not be lynch-mobbed for mind reading powers and being a Satori. Not to mention Parsee...
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Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 11:47:01 PM
Haha, not until I understand more about the controls. Plus I still have to work on my Soku skills, so... yeah. ^^;
Cut: None of the people in the forest stage are real. They're merely illusions, from what I understand.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 26, 2013, 11:47:58 PM
I noticed Yamame at the very top of the Palace of the Earth Spirits stage. She's hard to notice-- move each player to the screen borders and look above Player 1's lifebar.
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Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:49:00 PM
Haha, not until I understand more about the controls. Plus I still have to work on my Soku skills, so... yeah. ^^;
Cut: None of the people in the forest stage are real. They're merely illusions, from what I understand.

Well they're all repeats anyway, but I don't think they're illusions. Mamizou can't do that. It's probobly a legitimate crowd drawn to watch the fight beteen 'Miko/Byakuren' and whoever the protag is.

I noticed Yamame at the very top of the Palace of the Earth Spirits stage. She's hard to notice-- move each player to the screen borders and look above Player 1's lifebar.

OK, that's one less. Maybe Kisume is in the other corner?
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Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 11:50:30 PM
That's doesn't explain their sudden disappearance at the end of the fight, though.
Also, it isn't always Miko or Byakuren. My brother was playing as Byakuren and she fights "Reimu," while Miko fights... herself. I thought Byakuren would fight "herself," but I guess not.
EDIT: They could very well be the tanukis you see in the night forest, though. That could be it.
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Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 11:53:08 PM
2: Sanae is pretty much the only crowd character other than Yuugi with a visible bust. She's also pretty tall, and looks early 20's tbh now. I find this particularly interesting considering the likes of Yuuka and Komachi seem rather flat. Of course, characters further in the background are harder to tell than with Sanae... who's in the forreground. And bouncing up and down. DAMNIT SANAE. Oh, and Nitori's flat despite her being one of few characters to ever have any bust at all in ZUNART.
new fighting game full of content comes out and the first thing you focus on is the size of the sprites' tits

Stay Classy Touhou Fandom :)
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Post by: Tiamat on May 26, 2013, 11:54:10 PM
Well they're all repeats anyway, but I don't think they're illusions. Mamizou can't do that. It's probobly a legitimate crowd drawn to watch the fight beteen 'Miko/Byakuren' and whoever the protag is.


They're tanukis without the tails showing, I think. They all dissappear and then tanukis appear in their place.
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Post by: zferolie on May 26, 2013, 11:55:23 PM
Anyone want to netplay?  :3

I'll be in the sokumaidens IRC if anyone wants to play.

http://webchat.ppirc.net/?channels=sokumaidens

I would love to play Sanger, but I am still at my hotel in anime boston, and I know any online play I do will be horrible.
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Post by: Kingault on May 26, 2013, 11:56:03 PM
Some characters fight "Miko", others fight others and I think one fights themselves... That might have been Miko, actually.
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Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:56:35 PM
That's doesn't explain their sudden disappearance at the end of the fight, though.
Also, it isn't always Miko or Byakuren. My brother was playing as Byakuren and she fights "Reimu," while Miko fights... herself. I thought Byakuren would fight "herself," but I guess not.
EDIT: They could very well be the tanukis you see in the night forest, though. That could be it.

Didn't watch the stream. Just checked the stages. OK, they vanish. Then ignore the whole Parsee/Satori point.

Some characters fight "Miko", others fight others and I think one fights themselves... That might have been Miko, actually.

It's Miko/Byakuren, whichever you didn't fight earlier in the story.

Do characters other than Reimu/Marisa have story modes?
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Post by: zferolie on May 26, 2013, 11:59:54 PM
Didn't watch the stream. Just checked the stages. OK, they vanish. Then ignore the whole Parsee/Satori point.

It's Miko/Byakuren, whichever you didn't fight earlier in the story.

Do characters other than Reimu/Marisa have story modes?

Seems like everyone has a story, I just played through Reimu, Marisa, Byakerin, and Miko. And I just unlocked everyone elses story. I am trying to unlock the not final boss.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 12:00:29 AM
All characters currently have a story mode except for Kokoro herself, because she hasn't been included as playable yet. Apparently she'll be patched in later.
Also, it's not always Miko or Byakuren. I already said Byakuren fights "Reimu" and Miko fights "Miko."
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Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 12:08:50 AM
Wait so no Meiling in any backgrounds?

DLC CHAR TASOFRO PLS
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Post by: Tiamat on May 27, 2013, 12:13:33 AM
Kokoro has a story mode. Cuc or Clarste unlocked it I believe. It's... buggy. Heck, unlocking it is probably a bug. You can't even equip any special moves on her or use her in any other mode. But the actual storyline is there.
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Post by: Raikaria on May 27, 2013, 12:13:42 AM
Wait so no Meiling in any backgrounds?

DLC CHAR TASOFRO PLS

.. How did I miss China? I guess I assumed she was on the Hakurei stage with the rest of the SDM?

Also Flandre.

Why did I just automatically assume the whole SDM was on the Hakurei stage and not even look? I'M A MORON. I shoulda gone to sleep like 2 hours ago anyway but 2hu news is keeping me up @_@
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 12:18:48 AM
Kokoro has a story mode. Cuc or Clarste unlocked it I believe. It's... buggy. Heck, unlocking it is probably a bug. You can't even equip any special moves on her or use her in any other mode. But the actual storyline is there.

Wait, what? Source, please? I mean, I knew she had a story mode, but I didn't know it was UNLOCKABLE.
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Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
flandre isn't in any backgrounds because it would make no sense for her to be in any stage short of "sdm basement". i doubt they'll add her as playable
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Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 12:25:41 AM
also flan hasn't appeared in any game ever since stb :V
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Post by: Tiamat on May 27, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Wait, what? Source, please? I mean, I knew she had a story mode, but I didn't know it was UNLOCKABLE.

Cuc or Clarste (forget which one. Not my fault! Their names both begin with C!) stated they did it in the tvtropes forum and even what the story is. I assume it's a bug to unlock in the first place.  Too bad, since like the other fighting games, it seems to contain the finale to the story (Kokoro's final boss and ending makes for a neat finale to the religious war, too, I think. Well, what was mentioned of it)
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 12:30:16 AM
...And that's not helpful because the Touhou forum on TVTropes is so long and hard to dig through that I'd probably take forever to find. Great...
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Post by: Tiamat on May 27, 2013, 12:32:43 AM
...And that's not helpful because the Touhou forum on TVTropes is so long and hard to dig through that I'd probably take forever to find. Great...

Yep. Sorry. If I remembered the page number, I'd give it to you. Well, I'll spoiler what I can remember about it, though it'd be hilarious if my memory was wrong and it was another poster posting fake lies. Pretty sure it was someone reliable like Cuc or Clarste, though.

Warning: Storyline spoilers that may or may not be true depending on faulty memory of mine based on something someone else said! Hopefully whoever it was doesn't mind me reposting my paraphrased memory version of it here.

Only Kokoro's normal moves are accessible since you can't equip anything, but they're good enough to get the job done. The final boss is Byakuren, Miko, AND Reimu tag-teaming against you, and the ending has Kokoro put on a performance for them which they all enjoy.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 12:39:28 AM
Ah, I FINALLY found it. Yeah, it was Clarste. Your description was dead-on, by the way.
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Post by: Lukesky180 on May 27, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
Final Boss sounds epic.  :V
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Post by: Tiamat on May 27, 2013, 12:43:17 AM
Yea. Personally I find the idea of
all three of the major religious big shots... well, besides Kanako, of course, teaming up against the final boss and then enjoying her performance together
to be a nice Touhou-esque way to end the story arc, myself, although of course I can't say for sure since I don't know the finer details of the in-game story.
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Post by: teefa85 on May 27, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
That sounds like the perfect ending to a Touhou game.
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Post by: zferolie on May 27, 2013, 12:56:05 AM
Oh man, futo is nuts. placing her dishes alters all her mives, giving her some insane movesets and conbos and even impossible escapes
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Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 01:29:59 AM
I dunno if anyone has already figured this out, but you can have custom profile icons by adding 32x32 .bmp files into the icon folder :]
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Post by: Kingault on May 27, 2013, 01:36:42 AM
I dunno if anyone has already figured this out, but you can have custom profile icons by adding 32x32 .bmp files into the icon folder :]

Oh, that's awesome.
Thanks.
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Post by: Kilgamayan on May 27, 2013, 01:37:56 AM
Is there a transparent-background picture of Miko's sparkly cut-in posted anywhere yet? That pose is absolutely fabulous.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 01:39:09 AM
Oh man, futo is nuts. placing her dishes alters all her mives, giving her some insane movesets and conbos and even impossible escapes

She is nuts. Take the time to set up on Mamizou and Final Boss and my god, she takes out more than half their health with 5 plates on the field and her fireball attack. She's my favorite character so far.
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Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 01:40:53 AM
I dunno if anyone has already figured this out, but you can have custom profile icons by adding 32x32 .bmp files into the icon folder :]
only problem here is that people online shouldn't be able to see them (unless there's some mechanic i don't know of)

kind of wish they had added some more icons since the demo.
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Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 01:47:13 AM
only problem here is that people online shouldn't be able to see them (unless there's some mechanic i don't know of)

kind of wish they had added some more icons since the demo.
well since you can only netplay with people you can have contact with to trade ip addresses you can just give them your icons too :V
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Post by: Sanger Zonvolt on May 27, 2013, 01:53:10 AM
Nitori combos are too fun.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 27, 2013, 02:08:30 AM
Meh, I prefer comboing with Futo and Koishi.

Speaking of favorites, surprising absolutely no one, my favorite character is this BAMF right here:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/16asgnr.png)
She's so badass, she was banned from the fighting tournament and had to sit in the background!
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Post by: highzealot on May 27, 2013, 02:14:27 AM
Has anyone figured out how to unlock Kokoro outside of story mode? Apparently just beating her story mode isn't the requirement though I do have to say her final level is badass but not having spell cards is tough.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 02:16:01 AM
As far as we know, unlocking the story mode itself was a bug. Maybe. I haven't beaten all of the story modes yet, though, so I can't say for sure.
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Post by: Quwanti on May 27, 2013, 02:17:09 AM
Is there a transparent-background picture of Miko's sparkly cut-in posted anywhere yet? That pose is absolutely fabulous.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1572/fabulouse.png Here ya go.
Totally ignoring the fact that she has 4 toes.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 27, 2013, 02:19:29 AM
Actually, she has five: there's a faint line on the end of her foot signifying her small toe.
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Post by: Kilgamayan on May 27, 2013, 02:22:27 AM
Beeyooteeful. Many thanks.
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Post by: teefa85 on May 27, 2013, 02:26:54 AM
That Miko pose is made of Win.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 27, 2013, 02:28:55 AM
Finally got used to the controls and managed to get payback on
Mamizou
with Reimu!
So far: I think I'm getting used to Reimu's first deck while Marisa's Dark Blue deck is BEAST I managed to cheap shot a few bosses!
Now... to decide whose story mode to do next... Miko or Byakuren...
Edit: FABULOUS!
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 02:31:51 AM
Finally got used to the controls and managed to get payback on
Mamizou
with Reimu!
So far: I think I'm getting used to Reimu's first deck while Marisa's Dark Blue deck is BEAST I managed to cheap shot a few bosses!
Now... to decide whose story mode to do next... Miko or Byakuren...
Edit: FABULOUS!
I did all my clears with the default Taoist deck for everyone, because being able to sit back and spam penetrating shots trivializes a lot of spellcards. Then again I did most of the game on Easy/Normal just to get through them all faster so maybe there are better strategies. Buddhism seems strong in melee, but a lot of boss spellcards make melee annoying to do. And Shinto is just kinda eh. I guess maybe that would work well on other players who might try to dodge or something.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 27, 2013, 02:35:24 AM
I used Reimu's Shinto deck, to beat her story mode since it seems to have a bit more zoning on it and plus I could get off a few Fantasy Seals.
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Post by: monhan on May 27, 2013, 02:40:57 AM
I've been running in Japanese Locale and I've yet to crash. At all.

E: Read the rest of the thread, question was answered.
Correct. I did a playthrough myself as well with Marisa and had no crash. I have to run the game in Japanese local as otherwise the dialogues are completely messed up.
What's weird is that mine never crashed, not even with Koishi, unless I apply the patch. What does it fix anyway? I don't find any bug that's noteworthy.

Though the AI isn't much, playing story mode in Lunatic get's really hard sometimes(damn Reimu, and Kokoro's last spell is tough).
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Post by: Metaflare on May 27, 2013, 02:47:47 AM
What's weird is that mine never crashed, not even with Koishi, unless I apply the patch. What does it fix anyway? I don't find any bug that's noteworthy.

im surprised you're asking this considering the post that answers this question is only a little below the ones you quoted:

The crash is caused by Koishi's rose vine special, and only if you have patched.

(Note: if you don't patch, Futo becomes basically unplayable instead because her heavy bullets don't leave plates and she's missing various other improvement tweaks as well, so this isn't a viable solution)
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 02:49:14 AM
For what it's worth, I patched and have never had any problems with Koishi. All her spells work fine. Unfortunately this means I can't tell you the solution.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 02:55:09 AM
Okay, I'm apparently not used enough to Byakuren, because man, is Kokoro giving me a HARD time. I've already used three continues, one on Mamizou and two on her. I just don't get how her last spell is physically possible. Help? ;~;
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Post by: commandercool on May 27, 2013, 03:00:03 AM
I patched and got the crash on Koishi (set to Japanese locale as well). Having trouble figuring out what's going on without translations, but I've barely spent any time with the game yet so I'm sure I'll work some of it out. Nitori's looking like my favorite so far, although I haven't unlocked Mamizou yet and I really like what little I've seen of her.
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Post by: monhan on May 27, 2013, 03:00:44 AM
im surprised you're asking this considering the post that answers this question is only a little below the ones you quoted:
Well, I wrote this yesterday, fell asleep, and post it in the morning without realizing there's already 59 replies....
Kinda stupid, really.

For what it's worth, I patched and have never had any problems with Koishi. All her spells work fine. Unfortunately this means I can't tell you the solution.
Did the vine one didn't make it crash? It's getting even harder to figure out...

Oh yeah, can anyone explain to me how to netplay? I don't understand what I'm supposed to do.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 27, 2013, 03:01:24 AM
Kokoro's second and third spells.

How. D8
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Post by: Shizzo on May 27, 2013, 03:14:15 AM
2nd spell: Just wait for the fiery master spark to pass you, and then graze on the opposite direction it's going to.  Alternatively, just try standing behind her.

3rd spell:  This one is a bit tricky, the attack itself is unblockable and ungrazable, so you have to dodge it the old fashioned way, moving left and right throughout the screen until she lands.  Punish her with one or two combos, rinse and repeat.  You need, above all, patience to get this spellcard without dying or "bombing".

On a sidenote, I'm surprised.  I played some netplay earlier today and goodness, Koishi is actually good/fun to play as!  I'm surprised since I expected her to be an awful character after playing one or two matches with her yesterday.
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 03:17:01 AM
Kokoro's second and third spells.

How. D8
The second spell is the dragon mask, right? You just hit her between fire waves? You can just block the fire. Or graze it, if you're feeling frisky. There's a pretty long gap between them.

Her third spell is the fox mask? Try to stay under the side she just went towards. This will make her spawn over your head and go away from you (on Normal anyway). It can be kind of slow if you don't have a reliable way to hit her from super-far away (and aren't good enough to combo her to death during the brief break) so I usually save my spellcards for this phase.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 27, 2013, 03:20:00 AM
The second spell is the dragon mask, right? You just hit her between fire waves? You can just block the fire. Or graze it, if you're feeling frisky. There's a pretty long gap between them.

Her third spell is the fox mask? Try to stay under the side she just went towards. This will make her spawn over your head and go away from you (on Normal anyway). It can be kind of slow if you don't have a reliable way to hit her from super-far away (and aren't good enough to combo her to death during the brief break) so I usually save my spellcards for this phase.
Wait, does going down allow you to graze? I think I saw that in a video, and that would really help on the 2nd spell.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 03:20:48 AM
I beat Kokoro's story. Frickin' amazing. The final fight was just sooooo much fun.
Incase anyone is wondering the fight order in her story goes:
Ichirin
Nitori
Koishi
Futo
Marisa
Mamizou
Reimu, Byakuren, and Miko (AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME o/ [Well, Reimu handles the segments inbetween the spellcards and then they team up during the spellcards. Don't even get me started on how awesome the last spell was.])
I can't wait until she gets patched in.
E: Aw, I wanted to attach the replay.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 27, 2013, 03:24:22 AM
Maybe upload it to Mediafire or something? I want to watch the replay. I think I'll main Kokoro once she's patched in. 8D
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 03:24:32 AM
Wait, does going down allow you to graze? I think I saw that in a video, and that would really help on the 2nd spell.
Sometimes, but it's a bit more reliable to just go diagonal forward. Also puts you next to her for attacking afterwards.

Also, Byakuren can just dash straight forward and graze the entire thing face on.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 03:26:51 AM
Maybe upload it to Mediafire or something? I want to watch the replay. I think I'll main Kokoro once she's patched in. 8D

Proof (just in case if someone asks) (http://i.imgur.com/wVqsJVG.jpg)
Here you go~ (http://www.mediafire.com/?npn1xr1p6fusnv2)

Now to do a normal clear.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 27, 2013, 03:27:35 AM
Sometimes, but it's a bit more reliable to just go diagonal forward. Also puts you next to her for attacking afterwards.

Also, Byakuren can just dash straight forward and graze the entire thing face on.
Thing is, I haven't beat Story Mode with either Reimu or Marisa yet because of those two spells.
(http://images.puella-magi.net/thumb/1/14/Baka.jpg/640px-Baka.jpg?20111219203009)
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 27, 2013, 03:36:28 AM
How did you guys get Kokoro's story? Cheat Engine or something?
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 03:37:23 AM
So wait, it is possible to get Kokoro? Do you just beat all of the other stories? Because I thought people said they couldn't unlock her in Story Mode... can anyone please explain to me how she can be played in story yet people are saying they can't unlock her? That makes no sense...
EDIT: I mean, I know she can't be played in anything but story, but I thought people said they couldn't even get her story. How does that work if people are able to do the story mode? I'm confused...
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 03:40:15 AM
Proof (just in case if someone asks) (http://i.imgur.com/wVqsJVG.jpg)
Here you go~ (http://www.mediafire.com/?npn1xr1p6fusnv2)

Now to do a normal clear.
I see you discovered my love of her spear.

So wait, it is possible to get Kokoro? Do you just beat all of the other stories? Because I thought people said they couldn't unlock her in Story Mode... can anyone please explain to me how she can be played in story yet people are saying they can't unlock her? That makes no sense...
EDIT: I mean, I know she can't be played in anything but story, but I thought people said they couldn't even get her story. How does that work if people are able to do the story mode? I'm confused...
I just beat all the other stories.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 03:43:29 AM
Huh. I thought someone said that they beat all of the stories and yet couldn't play Kokoro's... huh. That's weird. Maybe I misread whatever I read, I don't know. Whatever the case, I still have to beat Byakuren's story before doing the others.
This is going to suck massively.
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Post by: PhantomSong on May 27, 2013, 03:46:47 AM
(http://oi43.tinypic.com/2rh8zfn.jpg)
This is going to be fun...  :derp:
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 27, 2013, 03:47:42 AM
Just gotten through with Byakuren on Normal story mode... BAH I say the final spell card Kokoro has can be a pain especially when you're stuck throwing Vajaras at her ALL day long while grazing.  :V
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Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 03:48:04 AM
I see you discovered my love of her spear.

The best part about her.

(http://oi43.tinypic.com/2rh8zfn.jpg)
This is going to be fun...  :derp:

It hurts when you get to 100% popularity and can't do anything about it.   :V
I kept doing the command out of habit.
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Post by: Amraphenson on May 27, 2013, 03:49:43 AM
Honestly I just swap to the rocket vajra skill, and then bosses are pretty easy to just snipe if I can't melee them for 70% of their HP to begin with.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 03:57:39 AM
I swear, Kokoro's last spell with Byakuren is damn near impossible. This is the first time I've made it to her without continuing, and guess what? THERE GOES ANOTHER 1CC!
Fuck that last spell. Fuck it to eternity.
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 04:02:16 AM
If you're patient you can just throw knives at her forever. All her bullets allow yours to pass through. Of course the stupid way I did it was constantly try to dash under her and do ^B.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 04:07:56 AM
Welp, I finally fricking did it. I almost lost AGAIN while she was close to dying. I swear, I'm never playing with Byakuren after this. The concept of the stances is nice and her moves are pretty powerful, but the lack of a good ranged option makes her not really great in Story Mode.
Let's try Koishi now and see how much of a trainwreck that'll be (hopefully not TOO bad...).
EDIT: By that I meant in Story Mode. I might still give her a shot in VS Com and in netplay, but I'm definitely not maining her, that's for sure.
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 04:10:11 AM
Mind pulse!
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 04:11:24 AM
OH HEY THE ROSE SPELLS DON'T WORK FOR ME EITHER WHAT A SHOCK!
Also, I'm confused by her gimmick. Do you input the commands and then she does them on her own or something?
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Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 04:13:32 AM
OH HEY THE ROSE SPELLS DON'T WORK FOR ME EITHER WHAT A SHOCK!
Also, I'm confused by her gimmick. Do you input the commands and then she does them on her own or something?

I think on her own. I have to no clue tbh. Playing Koishi story mode was kinda painful for me. Not as painful as Nitori, but still painful.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 04:15:42 AM
Okay, I'm sort of getting it. You input them, and then she... sort of does them. I'm not using the default deck because rose spells. I went with the red one instead. Poor Miko keeps getting chewed up by a giant rose... :3
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 04:17:40 AM
OH HEY THE ROSE SPELLS DON'T WORK FOR ME EITHER WHAT A SHOCK!
Also, I'm confused by her gimmick. Do you input the commands and then she does them on her own or something?
You input the commands and then one of her three slots starts glowing (melee, ranged, and special slots). Once the enemy is in range of the attack it automatically triggers. I guess the idea is that it's got perfect inhuman reaction speed and can counter people, but in story mode it usually means you jump straight into the boss's spellcard and they have superarmor anyway.

I pretty much just spammed X and Y in Taoist mode.
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Post by: zferolie on May 27, 2013, 04:18:38 AM
OH HEY THE ROSE SPELLS DON'T WORK FOR ME EITHER WHAT A SHOCK!
Also, I'm confused by her gimmick. Do you input the commands and then she does them on her own or something?

First, I agree with Byakern. She has SUCH a hard time against most of the bosses I found switching her type (not sure to what I think it was to Taoist?) made her rose shot actually fly across screen, and her 'A' attack always fired at the foe. It helped a lot.

as for Koishi, I really would like to know this... I need to practice her moves under each position and type.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 04:33:13 AM
Okay, I'm sort of getting it. You input them, and then she... sort of does them. I'm not using the default deck because rose spells. I went with the red one instead. Poor Miko keeps getting chewed up by a giant rose... :3

Before I forgot. When you do Futo's story, take the time to up your broken plate counter on Mamizou's and Kokoro's easier spells. It'll save you so much trouble and let you end Night Parade and Kokoro's last spell so much faster than with any other character.
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Post by: ToyoRai on May 27, 2013, 04:35:39 AM
Thi sis a silly question, btu I have to ask: Does Koishi still have her "Embers of Love" danmaku? Because it ain't Koishi without her most (in)famous danmaku pattern.
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Post by: Gpop on May 27, 2013, 04:44:56 AM
Okay, I'm sort of getting it. You input them, and then she... sort of does them. I'm not using the default deck because rose spells. I went with the red one instead. Poor Miko keeps getting chewed up by a giant rose... :3

It depends on each attack. You can store one melee attack, one projectile, and one special attack. When you store any of them, it will bright up near your meter to tell you which is stored up already.

The melee is your B (x key by default). Instead of doing what other characters do and doing a hard knock on the direction you hit them, that attack is stored for use when the opponent is in range for that (ie. when you use up B, it will initiate when the opponent is above you). Same thing with the projectile attack except it has a much larger initiation area as it covers the entire line. (D, which is the s key on default controls).

Specials are all different and have different properties on their own. The lightning one is based on if your opponent gets in the line of sight with the line that revolves around Koishi. The teleport is when the spell circle expands enough to touch the opponent, which then Koishi automatically teleports near them and attacks. The roses special is straightforward, Koishi releases them, and after some time they will activate. The uppercut is...an uppercut that activates when you are beside or below the opponent. The flower grab the same with the roses but takes a lot longer. The thorns I haven't experimented yet though due to obvious reasons :V

hope that helps. And yes, it is possible to combo into some of them. I already got some done :V
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Post by: monhan on May 27, 2013, 04:52:34 AM
I'll just post this for people that's having a hard time with Byakuren.
 
Okay, I'm apparently not used enough to Byakuren, because man, is Kokoro giving me a HARD time. I've already used three continues, one on Mamizou and two on her. I just don't get how her last spell is physically possible. Help? ;~;
Did you play on Lunatic? If so, then please set that Top-level deck for her(consisting of nothing but counters, though 6 is good enough, you can use one for the fire vajra) first. Byakuren's counter only hit what's in front of you(the large beam) and there are some uncounterable attacks. This will really help you against Reimu and Mamizou.
Since I set her to Buddhism, her shots have pretty close range, which should be what's making it hard.
I assume that you have no trouble with the normal fights, so here's how I go through everyone:
Though it's hard to do constantly, at least I find them manageable. The difference between Lunatic and the other difficulties are denser bullets and more health for the bosses(yes, it can literally took minutes to take down Kokoro) so I think this will do for lower difficulties and with other characters too.

I actually find her really fun. Her moves might not have many input varieties, but what she has now is good enough. I'm still testing how to properly use all of them.   

Can anyone help me with network mode? I don't know what to do.
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Post by: Shizzo on May 27, 2013, 05:19:22 AM
I thought Koishi was a terrible character until I actually fought some people today with netplay.  God, she is just amazing against real people.  I take back what I said, comboing with her is  entirely possible, albeit it requires some preparation, it's still incredible! 

I wonder if people will make Tier lists and such with this game as time goes by. 
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Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 05:34:32 AM
I wonder if people will make Tier lists and such with this game as time goes by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR6sxFBm1P8

And to those who are bitching about this and that (You know who you are) I have an important message for you (Especially if your not gonna buy the game)

Sit down

Shut up

And Enjoy the game!

With that out of the way I can actually discus the game now.

So far I'm loving it though I do suck royally with Byakuren and Nitori though I am nudging towards Futo as my main with Miko and Marisa as alts, but when it comes to Koishi.... Yeah I can't play her worth jack XD But she's still fun as heck to play despite this, and I'm so-so with teh other characters though I still need to unlock
Mamizou
and
Kokoro
so I can't say anything about them yet from a playable point of view yet.

(and now you can see why I don't review games :V)
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Post by: zferolie on May 27, 2013, 06:08:21 AM
O played Koishi in story, and she is fun onjce you learn how her stills are. If you activate most of her skills before rushing in, you can get some insane combos.

I just unlocked
Mamizou
And she is VERY fun. Her other special... oh my. She gets naked... I need to make a screengrab of her in a giant tub. I wonder what it does other then damage.

Also, she is ALOT of fun. Her Stone move, a bit charge up, but in up, it seems to auto lock on the person, and you can only hit with a quick dodge.

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Post by: Star King on May 27, 2013, 06:34:40 AM
Are there portrait rips anywhere out there?

I NEED that Byakuren "fight" portrait. I wept tears of joy upon first witnessing such a beauty (slight exaggeration)
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Post by: zferolie on May 27, 2013, 06:40:37 AM
Are there portrait rips anywhere out there?

I NEED that Byakuren "fight" portrait. I wept tears of joy upon first witnessing such a beauty (slight exaggeration)

Not sure if all are ripped yet. Only saw a few.

Also, Here is Mamizou's Bath Spell Card.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/zferolie/Mamizoubath_zpsae71c9ce.png
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Post by: monhan on May 27, 2013, 07:45:16 AM
Are there portrait rips anywhere out there?

I NEED that Byakuren "fight" portrait. I wept tears of joy upon first witnessing such a beauty (slight exaggeration)
Not really a portrait but I just can't get enough of this
(http://oi44.tinypic.com/2yosnki.jpg)
You just got NAMUSAN'ed!

Trying Koishi right now and she's pretty fun to play but I'll stay away from Lunatic story mode for her. I don't think I'm good enough at her for that.

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Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 08:07:26 AM
Is it just me, or is teh Lunatic AI broken something fierce
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Post by: monhan on May 27, 2013, 08:11:27 AM
Is it just me, or is teh Lunatic AI broken something fierce
What wrong? All I can see is that they're still not hard enough.
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Post by: Clarste on May 27, 2013, 08:39:22 AM
For what it's worth I did a preliminary translation of Koishi's route on the touhouwiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hopeless_Masquerade/Translation/Koishi%27s_Scenario). Feel free to correct it or whatever. The way she ties in to the plot is pretty interesting.
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Post by: Unfortunate on May 27, 2013, 08:58:54 AM
For what it's worth I did a preliminary translation of Koishi's route on the touhouwiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hopeless_Masquerade/Translation/Koishi%27s_Scenario). Feel free to correct it or whatever. The way she ties in to the plot is pretty interesting.

It's pretty heart-warming how Koishi is reacting to all this attention.  :3
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Post by: qMyon on May 27, 2013, 09:40:58 AM
Interesting....I didn't realize kappa had VISORs.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 10:55:27 AM
urg, I really hope they update SokuRoll for HM soon or else vs Network isnt gonna be a viable option :/
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Post by: Error on May 27, 2013, 11:08:36 AM
Is it just me or does Orin's "dance" go really well with
fake Mamizou
's theme?
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Post by: Starxsword on May 27, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
Quote
I was expecting Moriyas vs Reimu vs Buddhists vs Taoists vs some misc. outsiders, and instead we wound up with Koishi fighting on behalf of the Buddhists for reasons listed in SoPM that I have trouble imagining anyone could have thought of as a serious alliance, and Nitori as a raging atheist, and the Moriyas sitting on the sidelines at the exact precise time you'd expect them to be in the thick of it.

I do not expect this to be the end of the "religious arc", but instead, more of an incident. They pretty much ended it in Symposium of Post Mysticism, there is really nothing more to talk about.

Quote
Weirdly, that makes more sense than the Moriyas sitting it out purely so they could finish off the winner between the Taoists and the Buddhists.

Why you would think this is a war? Was there any reason for to believe this? What the factions want is to show off to the general public for faith. The Moriyas are already getting faith off the Tengus, so it isn't something they need to do.

Quote
Youkai Mountain - Sanae, Suwako, Kanako, Aya, Hatate, Hina, Nameless Kappas, Aki Sisters
Tao Temple - Yoshika, Seiga, Komachi, Eiki, Primsrivers, Youmu, Yuyuko, Soga
Earth Spirit Palace - Utusho, Rin, Satori, Parsee [This amused me for some reason, seeing as both are rather hated], tons of animals
Forest[?] - Sunny, Luna, Star, Cirno, Lilly White, Utusho, Rin, Aki Sisters, Shou, Satori, Sanae, Kyouko, Suwako, Kogasa, Tenshi, Iku, Hina, Wriggle, Parsee [OK what are you of all doing above ground?]
Night Forest - Tanukis
Final Stage - Humans
Planquin Ship: + Tenshi and Iku
Futo's stage - Letty [?!], Yuuka, Rumia, Sunny, Luna, Star, Cirno [With Letty ofc], Medicine, Mystia, Wriggle, Lilly White
Myouren: Shou, Kyouko, Kogasa, Nameless humans/youkai, Aya, Hatate

Post PC-98 characters who do not appear: Momiji, Yorihime, Toyohime, Kotesu, Reisen II Lilly Black, Yamane, Kisume *

I don't see Meiling or Akyuu on the list.
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Post by: Zannafar on May 27, 2013, 12:23:32 PM
Actually, I found Yamame on the ceiling of Palace of the Earth Spirits.
But she's always half hidden by the life bar, so no wonder no one seems to have seen her before

(http://i.imgur.com/uLnRzud.jpg)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Frog on May 27, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
Going into this Byakuren was probably the character I was least interested in, but turns out she's actually really fun to play.
And is anyone else dissapointed by the lack of arcade mode? I know I am.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zakari on May 27, 2013, 01:15:40 PM
I need help for Koishi`s spellcards.

(http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/1f45013cf0f93949b689b093ca4d7abc1369660386_full.png)
Which Koishi`s spellcards that only crashes the game? so i will not select it.

also please help me translate this option for me?
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/9f9c87dd9e3e9c1fbc8e2cb9a363ce791369660434_full.png (http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/9f9c87dd9e3e9c1fbc8e2cb9a363ce791369660434_full.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Setosorceror on May 27, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

also please help me translate this option for me?
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/9f9c87dd9e3e9c1fbc8e2cb9a363ce791369660434_full.png (http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/9f9c87dd9e3e9c1fbc8e2cb9a363ce791369660434_full.png)

That's the Sound Effects option...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 01:25:17 PM
I think it's the one you're highlighting right now. It looks like roses on vines. As long as you don't use that, you're golden.
CUT: I think he means the entire options menu...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Setosorceror on May 27, 2013, 01:43:38 PM
I think it's the one you're highlighting right now. It looks like roses on vines. As long as you don't use that, you're golden.
CUT: I think he means the entire options menu...
O_O' Then idk anything other than the Sound effect option and Background music...

Wish i could help you mate! but Japanese isn't my first or second language... T.T (wish it was)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Firestorm29 on May 27, 2013, 02:09:28 PM
From all the pictures I'm seeing, for some reason the final boss is giving me Hexadecimal vibes... >.>;
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kingault on May 27, 2013, 02:14:34 PM
For what it's worth I did a preliminary translation of Koishi's route on the touhouwiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hopeless_Masquerade/Translation/Koishi%27s_Scenario). Feel free to correct it or whatever. The way she ties in to the plot is pretty interesting.

Scumbag Koishi.(Referring to her convo with the final boss.)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 27, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
After much consideration I retract the brunt of whatever anger I had at Tasofro for most of the elements I disliked.

This is mainly because I realized I had no clue how most of the characters that didn't make the roster would work in terms of game mechanics, and I imagine that's a practical concern for Taso, too.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 04:04:12 PM
is it just me or is nitori utter garbage
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on May 27, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
is it just me or is nitori utter garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9wzBT9mzfA
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: professor_scissors on May 27, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
So I must be seriously missing something. Where did all the Last Words go?

Every info resource I can find says that LWs are just equipped normally from the profile screen. Every character appears to have two spell cards, neither of them Last Words. Even if I'm at 100% Popularity, no input seems to activate a Last Word. Do they need to be unlocked somehow, or something?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tiamat on May 27, 2013, 04:31:17 PM
Not sure if all are ripped yet. Only saw a few.

Also, Here is Mamizou's Bath Spell Card.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/zferolie/Mamizoubath_zpsae71c9ce.png

Since that pot she's bathing in has a tanuki tail, does that mean it's a tanuki transformed into a pot? And does that mean Mamizou the tanuki is bathing in a tanuki!?  *boggle*
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Quwanti on May 27, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
So I must be seriously missing something. Where did all the Last Words go?

Every info resource I can find says that LWs are just equipped normally from the profile screen. Every character appears to have two spell cards, neither of them Last Words. Even if I'm at 100% Popularity, no input seems to activate a Last Word. Do they need to be unlocked somehow, or something?
The Last Word is activated by pushing X+Y and A+B (The C and D on your keyboard) at the same time.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9wzBT9mzfA
those are all off a counterhit starter though...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on May 27, 2013, 04:37:30 PM
Hmmm.

My friend can still get like 2.7k off of a similar combo that doesn't start on a counterhit. I tried her out too, and she seems pretty good to me.

I'm still trying to figure out how to effectively utilize Koishi, but I'm going back to Ichirin on the side for a character who I can actually play.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
...why can Mamizou summon the Saigyou Ayakashi

just how strong is she <_>


also is there any way to recharge nitori's battery?


Oh shit in that video Nitori's gun shot straight instead of spread?

I guess the default decks just suck


Okay I did the loop even with the default deck, so at least her damage is good. Still trying to final a way to recharge her battery though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: CyberAngel on May 27, 2013, 05:20:56 PM
Still trying to final a way to recharge her battery though.

You can't. That's her gimmick.

Can someone look up what's the lowest screen resolution in the game? It's just that if it's the same as in demo, I'm not getting the game any time soon :(
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 05:30:30 PM
You can't. That's her gimmick.

Can someone look up what's the lowest screen resolution in the game? It's just that if it's the same as in demo, I'm not getting the game any time soon :(

1280x720 aka 720p is the lowest

and I also made a half decent video of
Mamizou]
Gameplay myself, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897vVLZm2Rg :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Bias Bus on May 27, 2013, 05:44:30 PM
That's what I want to know too. It runs better for me in a smaller resolution and where it's now...yeah.

As for the game itself, I really like it. Flying still feels awkward for me but, I'm slowly getting the hang of monkeying around in the sky. I'm still kinda iffy on how "popularity" works in this game, like what triggers it to increase and what happens to make it fall. Also, I can this final boss is an interesting piece of work, not to mention her theme is so eerie and ominous. Something I enjoy in music tracks. Also, did anyone else notice that she looks like a long haired Satori with parachute a dress?

Might try Netplay sometime too.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 05:47:21 PM
That's what I want to know too. It runs better for me in a smaller resolution and where it's now...yeah.

As for the game itself, I really like it. Flying still feels awkward for me but, I'm slowly getting the hang of monkeying around in the sky. I'm still kinda iffy on how "popularity" works in this game, like what triggers it to increase and what happens to make it fall. Also, I can this final boss is an interesting piece of work, not to mention her theme is so eerie and ominous. Something I enjoy in music tracks. Also, did anyone else notice that she looks like a long haired Satori with parachute a dress?

Might try Netplay sometime too.

Popularity is mainly influenced by you interrupting your opponent's attacks with Heavy and Special attacks, though it slowly increases/decreases over time depending on your performance overall, and Netplay is a laggy as ever too

Also have something rather silly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaaLH_WNPO4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
Also have something rather silly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaaLH_WNPO4&feature=youtu.be
if you looped it you could have a woop woop video :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 06:01:42 PM
if you looped it you could have a woop woop video :V

I actually never thought to do that lol maybe someone else can or something /shrug
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on May 27, 2013, 06:03:49 PM
and I also made a half decent video of
Mamizou]
Gameplay myself, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897vVLZm2Rg :V
What is this, i don't even...

So what is her gimmick anyway? That she has all there wacky moves, but if the opponent counters them four times she loses the ability to use them?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 27, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
Why can't I unlock Kokoro and Mamizou ;_;
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
For what it's worth I did a preliminary translation of Koishi's route on the touhouwiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hopeless_Masquerade/Translation/Koishi%27s_Scenario). Feel free to correct it or whatever. The way she ties in to the plot is pretty interesting.

oh god I have more reason to love Koishi.

Also I read Nitori's scenario and:
Quote
What's this?
I could take as many shirikodama as I like.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 27, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
Can someone give me a quick summary of the item cards? I might see if any of them works well with Koishi (the broom cancel isn't that great as she doesn't have a reliable dash attack as she always covers her sneeze)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: CyberAngel on May 27, 2013, 06:16:18 PM
1280x720 aka 720p is the lowest

I see. Thanks.

*sigh* Dammit, Tasofro. Why does it have to be a three way race between me playing this with decent FPS and proper graphics, English patch coming out, and universe's entropy death?

Okay, mini-rant over. Go on having fun, for my sake as well.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 06:17:40 PM
What is this, i don't even...

So what is her gimmick anyway? That she has all there wacky moves, but if the opponent counters them four times she loses the ability to use them?

Pretty much, if she gets hit when she uses a special attack, they become temporarily unavailable for a short period of time, the leaf meter goes red with some text to indicate it and it empties for the duration of the cool down since she's actually using transformed Tanuki too attack with after all :V

Why can't I unlock Kokoro and Mamizou ;_;

Beat story mode with all the characters, however Kokoro can't be unlocked right now as she is to be patched in at a later date, athough due to a bug her story mode can be unlocked but she wont have access to her skills, spell cards, item or last word as she isn't fully implemented yet.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 06:21:38 PM
when they patch in Kokoro maybe they'll add Meiling too

tasofro pls ;-;
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 27, 2013, 06:57:13 PM
when they patch in Kokoro maybe they'll add Meiling too

tasofro pls ;-;

Naw we need Kanako in this.

(http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/thumb/f/fe/Th10KanakoYasaka.png/231px-Th10KanakoYasaka.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 07:02:42 PM
she's already in one of the backgrounds though :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 07:07:21 PM
As much as I love playing Mamizou (yeah I'm maining her 1 :P) I can't for the life of me find any combos for her apart from that one I used in my video against Byakuren :/ though combo finding was never something I was good at anyway Maybe other Mamizou mainers will have better luck than me :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 27, 2013, 07:09:14 PM
Nitori's grappling hook is the best thing ever. I will never get tired of that. :D

13.5 seems to be having fewer problems accommodating my arcade stick than the previous fighters have, but it seemed to have shuffled my button maps a couple of times during practice mode. Anybody have any idea why or how that happens or have a similar problem? Had to exit the game and upon re-entering everything was back to normal. Also couldn't select any opponent but Marisa during VS. computer at one point, but again exiting fixed it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 07:12:10 PM
No problems for me, but then again I use a PS2 controller with a PS2 to PS3/USB adapter. Speaking of which, is there an optimal button config for that? I've been going with X=A, Circle=B, Triangle=C, L1=X, R1=Y, and R2=Z, but controlling is still annoying (especially considering there is no auto-dash button like there was in the earlier games).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Frog on May 27, 2013, 07:15:14 PM
Obviously I won't spoil it or anything, but somebodys gonna have to explain to me what the hell is going on in Miko's ending.  :o
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 27, 2013, 07:19:15 PM
she's already in one of the backgrounds though :V

Remove her and put Meiling there in her place. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: _cf on May 27, 2013, 07:28:56 PM
I swear, Kokoro's last spell with Byakuren is damn near impossible. This is the first time I've made it to her without continuing, and guess what? THERE GOES ANOTHER 1CC!
Fuck that last spell. Fuck it to eternity.
Chip Kokoro's health away with vajras (Byakuren's weak projectile) and graze her attacks. It takes a while. Kokoro's fox mask spellcard actually gave me more trouble, before I remembered you could dodge up or down to avoid it.

But yeah, after suffering through Kokoro's two last spellcards with mostly everybody, it was just glorious to play as Nitori and shoot down Kokoro from outside the screen.

EDIT: Koishi is just too adorable!!! ;__; That win animation! The way she crouches down with sadness when activating the Super Ego spellcard!!!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 07:34:11 PM
Remove her and put Meiling there in her place. Problem solved.
I'm talking realistically here though :smug:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 07:38:20 PM
hmm, so what type of character sdo you guys think each character is since I'm clueless when it comes to Fighting Game character types as I don't play fighting games enough to know what kind of character is what type :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Rei Scarlette on May 27, 2013, 07:39:09 PM
@Validon: I play with a PS3 DualShock 3, my preferred button setup is as follows:

X: A
ロ: B
L1: C
O: X
△: Y
R1: Z

Dunno if it's better or worse for you, but I think this is a decent setup.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 27, 2013, 07:42:03 PM
Uh, no, Mima Orange should be added in!
Beat story mode with all the characters, however Kokoro can't be unlocked right now as she is to be patched in at a later date, athough due to a bug her story mode can be unlocked but she wont have access to her skills, spell cards, item or last word as she isn't fully implemented yet.
It workeded ;D
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 27, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
I'm talking realistically here though :smug:

So am I, that why she should be removed from the sidelines and into the game as being playable. Seriously every god in the series has been playable except Kanako and Shinki.(but where the hell is shinki?)

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sanger Zonvolt on May 27, 2013, 07:50:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9wzBT9mzfA
Nice, I only had one loop in my combo, didn't know I could continue it for that long.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: LadyScarlet on May 27, 2013, 07:51:16 PM
Seriously every god in the series has been playable except Kanako and Shinki.
Aki sisters and Hina beg to differ.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on May 27, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
(but where the hell is shinki?)
On PC-98, and forever in our hearts.

My game crashed after I Mamizou's ending, in the very beggining of the credits; however, when I relaunched the game it considered the story cleared and Kokoro's story mode was unlocked, so it's not that big of a problem.

Also, is it just me, or does pratice mode lag HEAVILY? I can play most of the game lag-free, but pratice mode lags like hell with even the basic projectile attacks.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 27, 2013, 07:59:12 PM
Wait a minute, where the fuck is Arcade Mode? Do you have to unlock it?

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 27, 2013, 08:00:24 PM
Also, is it just me, or does pratice mode lag HEAVILY? I can play most of the game lag-free, but pratice mode lags like hell with even the basic projectile attacks.

It may not just be you, but it isn't everyone. Mine worked fine.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: TheTeff007 on May 27, 2013, 08:23:03 PM
Wait a minute, where the fuck is Arcade Mode? Do you have to unlock it?

Given that Kokoro is not fully implemented yet, I won't be surprised if on the patch that includes her the Arcade Mode got included~
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 27, 2013, 08:28:35 PM
Japan works hella fast. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pmzOH13kpQ) Less than 48 hours and we got a remix. >~>
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 27, 2013, 08:37:38 PM
Japan works hella fast. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pmzOH13kpQ) Less than 48 hours and we got a remix. >~>

if only they were that fast with the combo videos :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kingault on May 27, 2013, 08:39:41 PM
Also I read Nitori's scenario and:
[NitoriQuote]

The [REDACTED] balls are back.
You thought they were gone... You were wrong! They're always there... waiting...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 27, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
hmm, so what type of character sdo you guys think each character is since I'm clueless when it comes to Fighting Game character types as I don't play fighting games enough to know what kind of character is what type :V

I can't really say since everyone has their own unique fighting style.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 27, 2013, 08:52:43 PM
if only they were that fast with the combo videos :V
I'm working on some Koishi combos already :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Amraphenson on May 27, 2013, 09:05:40 PM
I'm working on some Koishi combos already :V

if it helps you can link off her teleport ring thing.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on May 27, 2013, 09:07:06 PM
if only they were that fast with the combo videos :V

Who needs combo videos? Spend that time actually playing the game :DoubleV
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 27, 2013, 09:07:26 PM
i pretty much just spam koishi teleport to win its so good :derp:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 27, 2013, 09:31:57 PM
if it helps you can link off her teleport ring thing.
I already learned that after finding out that you can combo off of Reimu's teleport in the demo so I assumed it was similiar.

I have a lot situational combos learned as well. So much tech with her. She's has a lot, but is limited in a lot of ways as well to try to stay balanced.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 27, 2013, 09:56:10 PM
I use a 360 wired controller. Works very well, though sometimes I can't dash always, and sometimes the wrong move comes out, but as a whole it's great. Right now I love Mamizou and Futo the best, but I do enjoy Marisa and Koishi too.

hmm, so what type of character sdo you guys think each character is since I'm clueless when it comes to Fighting Game character types as I don't play fighting games enough to know what kind of character is what type :V

To be honest, it seems that depending on their alignment, the type of character they are changes, so it seems you can have characters play in a few types of styles. it may take some time till someone can find out what everyone is best at though. Futo seems to be a very big trap set up player, and if you drop a lot of dishes, she can pretty much ruin your fun anywhere. She would be an Excellent Zoner.

The other characters I am not sure yet. I need to see how each element changes their A and S attacks. I noticed that depending on what they align with, their non special projectiles change. Like for Namusan, her A attack is a straigh sword throw and her Flower rose appears in front of her and vanishes, but on another the sword throw allows throws towards the person, and the Flower goes full screen.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sanger Zonvolt on May 27, 2013, 10:01:19 PM
Welp I can do the 4k combo off counterhit now, the cancel broom changed a lot.

I'm seeing that as staple in every set.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 27, 2013, 10:45:15 PM
Huh... I just found out that losing to the stage 5 boss as Koishi apparently crashes the game.  :derp:
All and all I think I need a better setup for her so, I can get off some attacks.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on May 27, 2013, 11:51:47 PM
Huh... I just found out that losing to the stage 5 boss as Koishi apparently crashes the game.  :derp:
All and all I think I need a better setup for her so, I can get off some attacks.

I really find it funny that Koishi has this new ability xD
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: omgkitties on May 28, 2013, 12:20:25 AM
Anyone building up a combo list for the characters? Maybe a wiki where people are posting combos?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 28, 2013, 12:29:16 AM
Miko is the next Iori when it comes to using gifs of her laughing win pose on forums.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: X-sam on May 28, 2013, 12:40:43 AM
The [REDACTED] balls are back.
You thought they were gone... You were wrong! They're always there... waiting...
this really confuses me, considering her entire goal is to make lodsofemone off the humans, but, she also wants to kill em too?  Kappa are so weird in touhou lore.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 28, 2013, 12:48:16 AM
Looks like theres already a new tool out for HM on teh Japanese Touhou Tools wiki http://mint.s150.xrea.com/?%E7%B6%BA%E9%8C%B2%E5%B8%96 though no clue what it is
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Post by: Validon98 on May 28, 2013, 12:56:43 AM
By the mighty power of Google Translate, I have figured out it is a netplay recording tool. So, does that mean that the game can't record replays of netplay normally?
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Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 01:06:41 AM
By the mighty power of Google Translate, I have figured out it is a netplay recording tool. So, does that mean that the game can't record replays of netplay normally?

That's weird. I remember being able to do so in the demo. Why would they change it ???
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Post by: Validon98 on May 28, 2013, 01:12:56 AM
Well, I'm not sure. Here's the text from the wiki describing the tool.
綺録帖 ネット対戦結果自動記録ツール
心綺楼と同時に起動しているだけで、ネット対戦の結果が記録される。
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Post by: Kingault on May 28, 2013, 01:13:32 AM
this really confuses me, considering her entire goal is to make lodsofemone off the humans, but, she also wants to kill em too?  Kappa are so weird in touhou lore.

She also claims that kappa are friends of humans...

Miko is the next Iori when it comes to using gifs of her laughing win pose on forums.

I dunno, man. I kinda like Futo's laughing pose more.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 01:24:05 AM
Told you Futo's laughing pose seemed legit, I mean sitting on a plate laughing it's legit!  :colonveeplusalpha:
Hmm... is it me or am I the only one who can't take the taoist seriously... due to their sparkle poses.  :V

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Post by: Kingault on May 28, 2013, 01:31:06 AM
Told you Futo's laughing pose seemed legit, I mean sitting on a plate laughing it's legit!  :colonveeplusalpha:
Hmm... is it me or am I the only one who can't take the taoist seriously... due to their sparkle poses.  :V

You have Kamina and Sushi Girl.
They're very serious.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 28, 2013, 01:38:28 AM
I've only played with Futo once so I never seen her's yet. But in all seriousness we need gifs of both of them now.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 01:52:42 AM
While I love both of their laugh poses, I think Mamizou has the best sprite.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f7f8dbe6833e06153b15082e2a8473c4/tumblr_mngxh3zKtP1r8g86po1_250.gif)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/311ab4da2dcdea5a0731aca13f1c78c6/tumblr_mngxh3zKtP1r8g86po2_r1_250.gif)

And it seems they didn't just give Byakuren a chest
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Post by: Suikama on May 28, 2013, 01:53:42 AM
I think she just used her powers to temporarily make them bigger :V
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Post by: Tiamat on May 28, 2013, 01:58:48 AM
Maybe she did. She doesn't have that chest in the top sprite, but has it in the bottom where she's clearly posing for attention.
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Post by: Sagus on May 28, 2013, 02:06:14 AM
The second gif is part of a possible Mamizou pre-battle animation (you can see it in the beginning of Zork's Mamizou gameplay video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897vVLZm2Rg)). Seems like she's mocking her opponent or trying to seduce her =V.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 02:10:19 AM
I think she just used her powers to temporarily make them bigger :V

If that is the case, then she can be any size she or we want... oh my~

The second gif is part of the Mamizou VS Byakuren pre-battle animation (you can see it in the beginning of Zork's Mamizou gameplay video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897vVLZm2Rg)). Seems like she's mocking Byakuren or trying to seduce her =V.

Ah. I have yet to do anything other then story and some vs matches, so I missed that. Very interesting.
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Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 02:18:16 AM
The second gif is part of a possible Mamizou pre-battle animation (you can see it in the beginning of Zork's Mamizou gameplay video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897vVLZm2Rg)). Seems like she's mocking her opponent or trying to seduce her =V.
it's a tanuki posing as her, she kicks it out of the way at the start of the battle

edit: also i'm not sure if anybody pointed it out yet but one of miko's alternate palettes is neku from the world ends with you which is p cool
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Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 02:22:12 AM
The second gif is part of a possible Mamizou pre-battle animation (you can see it in the beginning of Zork's Mamizou gameplay video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897vVLZm2Rg)). Seems like she's mocking her opponent or trying to seduce her =V.

Seriously. What's her ability? What do the four leaves have to do with it? Does anyone know?
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Post by: Kingault on May 28, 2013, 02:28:10 AM
it's a tanuki posing as her, she kicks it out of the way at the start of the battle

edit: also i'm not sure if anybody pointed it out yet but one of miko's alternate palettes is neku from the world ends with you which is p cool

The World Ends With Touhou, eh?
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 28, 2013, 02:28:22 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f7f8dbe6833e06153b15082e2a8473c4/tumblr_mngxh3zKtP1r8g86po1_250.gif)

This shall be my new avatar.
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Post by: Sagus on May 28, 2013, 02:28:42 AM
it's a tanuki posing as her, she kicks it out of the way at the start of the battle
Ah, so THAT'S what happens! I thought it was a tanuki coming at her from behind, and then she kicking it for its audacity.

Seriously. What's her ability? What do the four leaves have to do with it? Does anyone know?
As far as I can tell it's pretty much what others previously described; if she's hit while doing a special, she'll lose a leaf, and if she loses all of them she'll be unable to use specials until they return. Pretty lame, but she's actually rather powerful (I'm by no means a pro and I managed to beat her story mode on Hard without losing a life), so maybe it was an attempt at balancing her?
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 02:29:12 AM
Anyone Notice that Mamizou's specials don't change much if you put them on different directions? Most characters specials change the direction or property of it if you put it on different directions, but only 2 change with Mamizou(that I can tell), her umbrella attack, and her One animal danmaku attack.

I did notice that her Buddist(I think) alignment lets her charge up her X attacks. I was not able to test what these do, since practice mode doesn't let me turn off the com blocking ability.... which is odd. Does this happen for other characters?

Seriously. What's her ability? What do the four leaves have to do with it? Does anyone know?

Those leaves are like a Persona gauge in Persona 4 Arena. If one of your special attacks are hit(not all, but a lot of them), it cancles the attack, turning the object back into a Tanuki, and removing 1 leaf. If you lose all leafs, you cannot do those special moves for a good 10-20 seconds.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 28, 2013, 02:31:12 AM
Oh wow so this one doesn't want to animate oh well.
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Post by: _cf on May 28, 2013, 02:37:44 AM
While I love both of their laugh poses, I think Mamizou has the best sprite.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f7f8dbe6833e06153b15082e2a8473c4/tumblr_mngxh3zKtP1r8g86po1_250.gif)
Mamizou quite clearly noticed that if you want to be taken seriously in Gensokyo you need a silly hat.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 02:38:23 AM
Mamizou quite clearly noticed that if you want to be taken seriously in Gensokyo you need a silly hat.

Your icon fits what you said perfectly.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 02:42:53 AM
As far as I can tell it's pretty much what others previously described; if she's hit while doing a special, she'll lose a leaf, and if she loses all of them she'll be unable to use specials until they return. Pretty lame, but she's actually rather powerful (I'm by no means a pro and I managed to beat her story mode on Hard without losing a life), so maybe it was an attempt at balancing her?

Anyone Notice that Mamizou's specials don't change much if you put them on different directions? Most characters specials change the direction or property of it if you put it on different directions, but only 2 change with Mamizou(that I can tell), her umbrella attack, and her One animal danmaku attack.

I did notice that her Buddist(I think) alignment lets her charge up her X attacks. I was not able to test what these do, since practice mode doesn't let me turn off the com blocking ability.... which is odd. Does this happen for other characters?

Those leaves are like a Persona gauge in Persona 4 Arena. If one of your special attacks are hit(not all, but a lot of them), it cancles the attack, turning the object back into a Tanuki, and removing 1 leaf. If you lose all leafs, you cannot do those special moves for a good 10-20 seconds.
Thanks. And to answer the constant cpu guard in practice mode:
Esc -> switch both the second and third lines from the bottom to the 2nd option (the one with three runes).

(http://imageshack.us/a/img854/5960/guardl.jpg)
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 03:00:04 AM
Yay, Mamizou story mode cleared, now I just need to wait for
Kokoro's
stuff to be patched in and I'll be golden. :derp:
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 03:02:24 AM
I found a very good Koishi video. Seems to be able to do the vine move... I was able to do it as well, but I didn't try after the patch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NL_0zonRqY
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 03:06:44 AM
I found a very good Koishi video. Seems to be able to do the vine move... I was able to do it as well, but I didn't try after the patch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NL_0zonRqY
Apparently without the patch Koishi's vine move works but, makes Futo unplayable and don't have spell cards.
Now I wonder how did they mess that up but, fixed Futo... with the current patch?  ???
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 03:08:10 AM
Apparently without the patch Koishi's vine move works but, makes Futo unplayable and don't have spell cards.
Now I wonder how did they mess that up but, fixed Futo... with the current patch?  ???

I was able to use Futo just fine pre-patch.... spell cards and dropping vines. Very odd.
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Post by: omgkitties on May 28, 2013, 03:08:29 AM
I did notice that her Buddist(I think) alignment lets her charge up her X attacks. I was not able to test what these do, since practice mode doesn't let me turn off the com blocking ability.... which is odd. Does this happen for other characters?

Yes it happens on all characters, from what I can tell it is an increase of 10% damage and causes a much stronger knockback.
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Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2013, 03:09:06 AM
Okay, having much more consistent problems with my arcade stick now. I think they've started since I crashed on the last boss in story mode and enabled Japanese locale. I have a dual board stick (can be set to either Xbox 360 or PS3) and the game will only recognize directional inputs from the Xbox board on menus and the PS3 board in game, and now whenever I enter a match is replaces my  D button with a second A and disables Escape. This only seems to happen with the stick and not the keyboard. I haven't tested with other controllers yet. Anyone else have anything similar or have any idea what's happening? This is kind of like the trouble I used to get in the previous fighters, except in those I had no menu control at all.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I've been using Xpadder to map keys to my stick, since the game didn't seem to recognize it in the control configuration menu.
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Post by: Kingault on May 28, 2013, 03:11:58 AM
Oh wow so this one doesn't want to animate oh well.

I made it work by lowering its size to under 40kb.
It looks terrible now, though....
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 03:19:50 AM
Yes it happens on all characters, from what I can tell it is an increase of 10% damage and causes a much stronger knockback.

Ah ok. Interesting, but I hate what it does to Mamizou's A projectiles. They only appear in front of her, and it gives her no range. So far I like the Shinto or Taoist versions.

Okay, having much more consistent problems with my arcade stick now. I think they've started since I crashed on the last boss in story mode and enabled Japanese locale. I have a dual board stick (can be set to either Xbox 360 or PS3) and the game will only recognize directional inputs from the Xbox board on menus and the PS3 board in game, and now whenever I enter a match is replaces my  D button with a second A and disables Escape. This only seems to happen with the stick and not the keyboard. I haven't tested with other controllers yet. Anyone else have anything similar or have any idea what's happening? This is kind of like the trouble I used to get in the previous fighters, except in those I had no menu control at all.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I've been using Xpadder to map keys to my stick, since the game didn't seem to recognize it in the control configuration menu.

Odd that it doesn't reconize it. To be honest, I doubt you NEED a fight stick for this game... I do just fine with a 360 controller. Sadly I can't help you, but maybe Xpadder as issues with that game?

I made it work by lowering its size to under 40kb.
It looks terrible now, though....

Gah yeah, not good saddly :(
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Post by: _cf on May 28, 2013, 03:22:59 AM
Yay, Mamizou story mode cleared, now I just need to wait for
Kokoro's
stuff to be patched in and I'll be golden. :derp:
It's not hard to clear normal mode with
expressionless girl!
by abusing her basic attacks. The last fight is epic:
Reimu, Miko and Byakuren against you.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 03:25:40 AM
The last fight is epic:
Reimu, Miko and Byakuren against you.
Reason why I want my spellcards for her due to how bad my luck is.
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Post by: AJS on May 28, 2013, 03:33:56 AM
I hear many people talk about "port forwarding" when discussing netplay with this game, but I have no idea what it is and nobody seems to be willing to tell me what it is.

Could anyone please explain to me what it is and how to do it? :ohdear:
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Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 03:35:18 AM
I found a very good Koishi video. Seems to be able to do the vine move... I was able to do it as well, but I didn't try after the patch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NL_0zonRqY

Eh? You can make the stages play other music besides the default one Possible stupid question, but how?
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Post by: Metaflare on May 28, 2013, 03:48:46 AM
on the stage select screen, press right or left to change the music. same as in the other fighting games
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Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 03:49:56 AM
Eh? You can make the stages play other music besides the default one Possible stupid question, but how?
Press left or right during the stage select screen.
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Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2013, 03:50:39 AM
Odd that it doesn't reconize it. To be honest, I doubt you NEED a fight stick for this game... I do just fine with a 360 controller. Sadly I can't help you, but maybe Xpadder as issues with that game?

I certainly don't need it, but it would be nice to be able to use. This seems to be one of those rare fighting games playable on a keyboard (although unfortunately Shift doesn't seem to be a usable key in the controls settings, and my hand keeps drifting toward it thinking I'm playing regular Touhou), and I have a few other controllers I'll try tomorrow. No motions means I don't really need a good control stick and not that many buttons means I don't need that many buttons, although I do find flying a little difficult to control with arrow keys.

But anyway, love the game so far. Just cleared it with Reimu. Everybody looks great, and aside from the controls and the one crash that I should have seen coming (and Koishi) I'm not having any trouble with any of it. Would be nice to get the menus translated, but it's set up to be mostly usable without text. I notice that the newspapers on the win screens are all dated for yesterday. Is that the first time we've ever seen completely direct reference to the date something happens in the timeline of the games?
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Post by: game2011 on May 28, 2013, 04:01:56 AM
Am I the only here who didn't encounter any glitches at all when before I patched the game?  Nothing when fighting the final boss, and nothing when playing as Koishi...  Granted, I'm not sure if I used all of Koishi's moves yet, but I did use one involve roses growing out of a vine...
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Post by: Starxsword on May 28, 2013, 04:08:53 AM
Quote
I hear many people talk about "port forwarding" when discussing netplay with this game, but I have no idea what it is and nobody seems to be willing to tell me what it is.

Port forwarding only matters if you have ports blocked. This is a setting you do when configuring your Wireless network. You may also need to open ports for your windows firewall to allow the game to play, but usually the game asks you if you want to give it permissions or something like that.
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Post by: sibladeko on May 28, 2013, 04:09:49 AM
those are all off a counterhit starter though...
These all work off non counterhit starter, sorry I forgot to turn it off lol.
Also replace the first Y in corner with 8X for more reliability (Nitori, Marisa, other tiny tiny people)
In fact these combos work when Nitori is OUT of ammo, though you can only do two rifle loops (and in general the third loop is really weird hit wise anyway, sometimes the pushback is too great)
Her damage off any combo that uses grenade is pretty amazing, even with tons of scaling, just nade eats a crapload of ammo.
However with X and Y taking very little it evens out (also being usable when she's empty.)
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Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 04:15:45 AM
Am I the only here who didn't encounter any glitches at all when before I patched the game?  Nothing when fighting the final boss, and nothing when playing as Koishi...  Granted, I'm not sure if I used all of Koishi's moves yet, but I did use one involve roses growing out of a vine...
Same here. The patch seems to fix some unknown bug and change some of the characters moves and properties and crash the game with Koishi's vine.
Changes that I see:
Futo's heavy shot sets up the plates
Some of Byakuren's charges got different stock and some changes in properties(haven't test it, still playing un-patched), she now also can charge her heavy attacks in Buddhist.

Can we unlock Kokoro's story mode without patching the game?
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Post by: game2011 on May 28, 2013, 04:45:08 AM
How do you use Last Words?  I know you have to achieve max popularity first, but what's the button combination for using them?

Thanks in advance!

Also, does anyone think Nitori's "not allowed" sign attack is a reference to Mitori?
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 04:54:31 AM
Same here. The patch seems to fix some unknown bug and change some of the characters moves and properties and crash the game with Koishi's vine.
Changes that I see:
Futo's heavy shot sets up the plates
Some of Byakuren's charges got different stock and some changes in properties(haven't test it, still playing un-patched), she now also can charge her heavy attacks in Buddhist.

Can we unlock Kokoro's story mode without patching the game?

Thing is, I was able to set up plates with Futo's heavy shots before the patch...
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Post by: EthanSilver on May 28, 2013, 04:54:42 AM
Am I the only here who didn't encounter any glitches at all when before I patched the game?
I never bothered to patch the game - the bug description was way too vague ("nuclear landmine?" Sounds bad, but what does it actually affect?) so I figured I'll give it a shot and patch it if anything blows up in my face. (And, yeah, I kinda wanted to witness this supposedly epic problem for myself. Was a lil' curious.) I then read about "everyone" getting random crashes with Koishi and during the last boss, and at times completely out of nowhere, all problems I'd never run into. For the heck of it I patched a clean install of the game and started getting the reported crashes then.

While patches are generally a good thing, I'd advise against installing this one just yet and keeping an unpatched version handy until the game has had a chance to "settle" a little more. Whatever the major bug of apocalyptic brain-melting horror was, the problems introduced by the patch seem to be far worse. ;)

(Unless I wake up to the game finishing off its formatting of my HD tomorrow morning, that is... >_>)
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 05:04:04 AM
I never bothered to patch the game - the bug description was way too vague ("nuclear landmine?" Sounds bad, but what does it actually affect?) so I figured I'll give it a shot and patch it if anything blows up in my face. (And, yeah, I kinda wanted to witness this supposedly epic problem for myself. Was a lil' curious.) I then read about "everyone" getting random crashes with Koishi and during the last boss, and at times completely out of nowhere, all problems I'd never run into. For the heck of it I patched a clean install of the game and started getting the reported crashes then.

While patches are generally a good thing, I'd advise against installing this one just yet and keeping an unpatched version handy until the game has had a chance to "settle" a little more. Whatever the major bug of apocalyptic brain-melting horror was, the problems introduced by the patch seem to be far worse. ;)

(Unless I wake up to the game finishing off its formatting of my HD tomorrow morning, that is... >_>)

Yeah, I am kinda regreating patching my game. I only did it because Mamizou's Last word crash when I tried it in practice... but it sounds like I will not be able to use Koishi now with this patch...
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Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 05:12:45 AM
Has Tasofro announced any info about a new patch? On their blog? From what I can tell on their main site, they haven't.
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Post by: Kingault on May 28, 2013, 05:27:56 AM
Has Tasofro announced any info about a new patch? On their blog? From what I can tell on their main site, they haven't.

Hopeless Masquerade was ready.
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Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 05:31:07 AM
Found this on some forum, it's the rips of the characters sprites :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/byakuren.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/futo.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/mamizou.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/miko.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/koishi.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/nitori.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/ichirin.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/kokoro.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/marisa.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/reimu.7z

I can't open it though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 05:38:35 AM
Found this on some forum, it's the rips of the characters sprites :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/byakuren.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/futo.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/mamizou.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/miko.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/koishi.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/nitori.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/ichirin.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/kokoro.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/marisa.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/reimu.7z

I can't open it though.

You need 7zip to open them.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Formless God on May 28, 2013, 05:54:36 AM
Playable masks-tan? Downloading like sanic
wait, I'm retarded, it's the demo
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 05:55:52 AM
You need 7zip to open them.
So I can't just use WinRAR? Can't I just change the extension?
Well, at least it's legit.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kingault on May 28, 2013, 05:57:19 AM
Playable masks-tan? Downloading like sanic
wait, I'm retarded, it's the demo

DDC has the demo, HM has the full version.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 05:58:30 AM
So I can't just use WinRAR? Can't I just change the extension?
Well, at least it's legit.

WInzip sometimes has a hard time opening 7z files. I don't know if changing the extention will work

7zip is free though
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 05:59:53 AM
Second patch is out. Don't know what it does though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 06:01:33 AM
Second patch is out. Don't know what it does though.

They are quick with the patches. Hopefully this will calm down the haters.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Formless God on May 28, 2013, 06:01:45 AM
DDC has the demo, HM has the full version.
I thought the 115 MB file was the patch.

They fixed Koishi. Groin Pain doesn't crash the game anymore.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 06:03:20 AM
They are quick with the patches. Hopefully this will calm down the haters.
Dunno about that though. Some of the complains are about Byakuren's boobs and Futo's skirt. No way a patch is gonna change that.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 06:04:59 AM
I thought the 115 MB file was the patch.

They fixed Koishi. Groin Pain doesn't crash the game anymore.

Really? Awesome. Any word on how long we need to wait for Last character?

Dunno about that though. Some of the complains are about Byakuren's boobs and Futo's skirt. No way a patch is gonna change that.

... seriously?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 28, 2013, 06:06:39 AM
... seriously?

I don't think it would bother people half as much if the sprite artist (not Alphes, the new guy) did not have very extreme lolicon art in his Pixiv gallery.

It leads the mind to all sorts of unpleasant conclusions.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 06:21:00 AM
I don't think it would bother people half as much if the sprite artist (not Alphes, the new guy) did not have very extreme lolicon art in his Pixiv gallery.

It leads the mind to all sorts of unpleasant conclusions.

Ah. I heard of the artist being very into Lolicon. Still, I think we should try to seperate what an artist does in different works. I mean, Zone is working on SKullgirls now, and people shouldn't think SKullgirls is now a porno.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on May 28, 2013, 06:22:50 AM
Last time I checked it was said that there were *several* spriters at work here, and that one guy was only responsible for one chara and partially for Futo. At least this was what I got out of the previous threads.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 28, 2013, 06:24:52 AM
Ah. I heard of the artist being very into Lolicon. Still, I think we should try to seperate what an artist does in different works. I mean, Zone is working on SKullgirls now, and people shouldn't think SKullgirls is now a porno.

Last time I checked it was said that there were *several* spriters at work here, and that one guy was only responsible for one chara and partially for Futo. At least this was what I got out of the previous threads.

Fair enough. I do find it less likable from a purely artistic standpoint, though, because I found the previous Tasofro Touhou fighters charmingly cute. They felt different from the main Touhou games but still had their same mixture of goofiness and spectacle.

I am ambivalent.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 06:28:30 AM
Last time I checked it was said that there were *several* spriters at work here, and that one guy was only responsible for one chara and partially for Futo. At least this was what I got out of the previous threads.

Yeah, mainly Futo and then the other character.
I really think people are overreacting to this. Byakuren has juggle physics? Oh no! I hate her sprite now for one minor detail that no one would notice unless you're specifically focusing on her chest. Futo's skirt is short, but you still can't see anything? Obviously influenced by lolicon tastes!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: game2011 on May 28, 2013, 06:34:05 AM
How do you use Last Words?  I know you have to achieve max popularity first, but what's the button combination for using them?

Thanks in advance!

Also, does anyone think Nitori's "not allowed" sign attack is a reference to Mitori?
Anyone, please?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 28, 2013, 06:37:20 AM
Yeah, mainly Futo and then the other character.
I really think people are overreacting to this. Byakuren has juggle physics? Oh no! I hate her sprite now for one minor detail that no one would notice unless you're specifically focusing on her chest. Futo's skirt is short, but you still can't see anything? Obviously influenced by lolicon tastes!

Fine.

It compounds a number of other complaints I have about the game, but I digress.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: HyperGumba on May 28, 2013, 06:39:20 AM
Patch 1.02 is out on Tasofro's site. Did anyone get it to work?

It supposedly fixed the Koishi crashes, but I seem to be unable to install it, it gives me an erro which says something about slashes, exclamation and question marks. Do I need to rename something?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 06:41:53 AM
Fine.

It compounds a number of other complaints I have about the game, but I digress.

Eh? That wasn't directed at you. It was just a blanket statement.


Anyone, please?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it's Z+C


Patch 1.02 is out on Tasofro's site. Did anyone get it to work?

It supposedly fixed the Koishi crashes, but I seem to be unable to install it, it gives me an erro which says something about slashes, exclamation and question marks. Do I need to rename something?

Did you put it in the game's directory?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 28, 2013, 06:42:45 AM
Eh? That wasn't directed at you. It was just a blanket statement.

Oh, whoops, okay. :V

...

Didn't you say you were going to sleep? :V

Didn't I, for that matter? :getdown:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 06:48:20 AM
Oh, whoops, okay. :V

...

Didn't you say you were going to sleep? :V

Didn't I, for that matter? :getdown:

Took my sleeping pills but they haven't kicked in. ;~;

Also seriously digging how Futo's entrance animation times up with Miko's, Koishi's, Mamizou's, Marisa's, Byakuren's, and Ichirin's entrance animations.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: HyperGumba on May 28, 2013, 06:49:21 AM
Did you put it in the game's directory?

Tried it now, still gives me the same thing.

http://i42.tinypic.com/5efptz.png (http://i42.tinypic.com/5efptz.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Rei Scarlette on May 28, 2013, 06:52:01 AM
Wild guess, as I haven't tried the patch yet, but after selecting the path it might add an unnecessary slash. Try manually removing it if there is one. A few programs I've used have done this and gave errors.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 06:54:30 AM
Wild guess, as I haven't tried the patch yet, but after selecting the path it might add an unnecessary slash. Try manually removing it if there is one. A few programs I've used have done this and gave errors.

Random guess too, but some patches don't work if the game isn't installed in the default directory.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 06:57:47 AM
Just want to confirm something, regarding Kokoro's story mode. Some say it is a bug so does patching will make me unable to get it? I don't want to patch the game and then can't get it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Formless God on May 28, 2013, 06:58:49 AM
Anyone, please?
C+D on your keyboard (both the skill keys) if you're using the default setup.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: HyperGumba on May 28, 2013, 07:04:17 AM
Wild guess, as I haven't tried the patch yet, but after selecting the path it might add an unnecessary slash. Try manually removing it if there is one. A few programs I've used have done this and gave errors.

Doublechecked, didn't solve it, sadly. I'll have to check it again after work.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on May 28, 2013, 07:32:47 AM
It supposedly fixed the Koishi crashes, but I seem to be unable to install it, it gives me an erro which says something about slashes, exclamation and question marks. Do I need to rename something?

Getting this too...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on May 28, 2013, 07:35:42 AM
Installs fine for me, I've my PC set to Japanese Locale though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Captain Vulcan on May 28, 2013, 07:40:21 AM
Anyone, please?

If you're using a control pad, simply press the 4 (main?) buttons at the same time. Keyboard-wise, I have no idea yet.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on May 28, 2013, 07:44:41 AM
Yeah I have Japanese locale too. I don't really get it; I was able to get the first patch installed.  ???
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Rizado on May 28, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
First I used Japanese applocale to install patch 1.02, but it didn't work. Then I tried to install patch without locale and POOF it worked! Though I haven't noticed any changes (well, I don't use Koishi's vine move at all so...). Hope they'll release Kokoro's patch soon :3
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Piranha on May 28, 2013, 08:12:28 AM
Works like a charm when I place the patch in the game directory and start it with Applocale.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: game2011 on May 28, 2013, 08:31:17 AM
Thanks to all who answered my question!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on May 28, 2013, 08:52:24 AM
Can people confirm whether patch 1.02 fixes issues known until now? Or do new issues arise with it. So I can keep things bit updated (at work atm)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Formless God on May 28, 2013, 09:12:40 AM
Code: [Select]
ver1.02
・古明地こいしのグローイングペインで落ちる不具合を修正
・KO時にスタンしていると進行が停止する不具合を修正
・ストーリーのクリアフラグが保存されない場合がある不具合を修正
・観戦がキャンセルできない不具合を修正
Shitty translation:
Code: [Select]
- Fixed Koishi Komeiji's Growing Pain crash
- Fixed a bug where you are unable to advance upon being stunned at KO (i suck, somebody do this one pls)
- Fixed "cleared" flag sometimes not saved in Story mode
- Fixed a bug where you are unable to cancel Spectate
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Unfortunate on May 28, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
Still no news of
Hata
getting her spell cards in story mode?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zannafar on May 28, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
A short explanation of Mamizou's ability:

temp. Name: Four Little Tanuki

During Mamizou's attacks, all the youkai she summons are actually Tanuki in disguise.
This can be seen by the tails every of these youkai has.
Now, when Mamizou is hit during one of these attacks, the Tanuki will take the hit (not completely sure about this, but the damage seems to be negated) and is knocked out for a while.
This is represented by one of the leaves turning black.
When all four are taken out, they take a while to regenerate and Mamizou can not use her attacks for a while.

In most cases, the attacks are cancelled when she is hit.
However when she is hit during the preparation for her stone statue drop, the praying Mamizou will turn out to be a Tanuki and the real Mamizou will drop down on the enemy without delay.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 28, 2013, 10:08:13 AM
goddammit i wanted kokoro to be playable in this update :c
e: Wait no, just beat Mamizou's normal story mode and unlocked her.
e2: Kokoro currently only has her melee attacks and projectile attacks. None of her spells, last word or attack-card-thingys.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on May 28, 2013, 10:56:20 AM
I also couldn't install the patch with a japanese applocale; when I changed my applocale back to its original language, I managed to install it.

But I just noticed, when I was with the japanese applocale, that the installer substituted the slash for the yen sign in the directory path; that seems to be the reason for the problem, as when I changed the applocale back to normal the slashes were there and I had no problem installing it. So if you have problems, try to manually put the slashes in the directory path.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on May 28, 2013, 11:15:24 AM
Koishi is weird as hell to play, damn.

Hata No Kokoro is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters. Especially design-wise, she's creepy and awesome at the same time. :V

Also (this may be a dumb question) where can you change the difficulty setting? ???
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: game2011 on May 28, 2013, 11:32:46 AM
Actually, I still can't pull off Last Words...  Tried it in training mode with max popularity, but still...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on May 28, 2013, 11:48:44 AM
Even with AppLocale I can't get this patch working....

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Piranha on May 28, 2013, 11:55:28 AM
Also (this may be a dumb question) where can you change the difficulty setting? ???

Pause menu for Practice mode, but I don't know if it influences Story mode too. There are some symbols (like with the different decks) after choosing your character and allignment, don't know what they do though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on May 28, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
Never mind, I  got it. There's a secondary option during setup that comes after where you decide to download the game, and apparently, that was messed up due to the system locale not being set at the time. Changed to a different folder and now the patch works.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on May 28, 2013, 12:01:33 PM
Pause menu for Practice mode, but I don't know if it influences Story mode too. There are some symbols (like with the different decks) after choosing your character and allignment, don't know what they do though.
Those symbols after you choose your deck in Story Mode are the difficulties; Green is easy, Yellow is normal, Orange is hard and Red is lunatic.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 28, 2013, 12:02:06 PM
Ok so I installed the patch nothing changed. Koishi was already working before that. Still no arcade mode and Kokoro.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on May 28, 2013, 12:09:38 PM
Those symbols after you choose your deck in Story Mode are the difficulties; Green is easy, Yellow is normal, Orange is hard and Red is lunatic.

Thanks a lot! :)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Piranha on May 28, 2013, 12:16:49 PM
Those symbols after you choose your deck in Story Mode are the difficulties; Green is easy, Yellow is normal, Orange is hard and Red is lunatic.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fondue on May 28, 2013, 12:25:11 PM
Koishi is weird as hell to play, damn.
When you execute her attacks that don't seem to work and just does her Glico pose, after about 2 seconds, when she's in a certain position around her enemy she uses the attacks you inputted earlier which can lead to some interesting combos.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on May 28, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
When you execute her attacks that don't seem to work and just does her Glico pose, after about 2 seconds, when she's in a certain position around her enemy she uses the attacks you inputted earlier which can lead to some interesting combos.

She's basically the Suwako of this game, then. Hard to use at first, but very rewarding once you learn to play her correctly.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on May 28, 2013, 12:33:06 PM
Found this on some forum, it's the rips of the characters sprites :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/byakuren.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/futo.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/mamizou.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/miko.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/koishi.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/nitori.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/ichirin.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/kokoro.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/marisa.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/reimu.7z

I can't open it though.
This is really awesome. Unfortunely I couldn't find Kokoro's fire beam, but I guess this will do for now as an avatar.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Yaersulf on May 28, 2013, 12:38:16 PM
I can confirm that the 1.02 patch fixes the Koishi vine crashes. Had them before I got it, now I don't. (Sadly now I can't quit the game by selecting Koishi anymore.)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 01:12:25 PM
Actually, I still can't pull of Last Words...  Tried it in training mode with max popularity, but still...
What is the two buttons that you use to do special attacks? Press both of them.
If that still didn't work, go to the key config setting and then set the option below Pause (the one with C.Z) to the left one(Yes).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 28, 2013, 01:14:01 PM
I can confirm that the 1.02 patch fixes the Koishi vine crashes. Had them before I got it, now I don't. (Sadly now I can't quit the game by selecting Koishi anymore.)
You can always delete the th135b.pak file to get back to ver.1.00.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2013, 01:17:43 PM
Second patch is out. Don't know what it does though.

Wow, these are speedy. Still not thrilled with the game essentially remaining unfinished, but as this kind of thing goes it's at least very close to being fully playable. Wish developers would stop releasing unfinished versions of games and calling them full, but if the updates are going to be this quick and painless I guess it's best case scenario.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
Wow, these are speedy. Still not thrilled with the game essentially remaining unfinished, but as this kind of thing goes it's at least very close to being fully playable. Wish developers would stop releasing unfinished versions of games and calling them full, but if the updates are going to be this quick and painless I guess it's best case scenario.

With this being made by an indie company with only a few people and on a tight deadline for this convention, I think it's understandable to have it a bit unfinished. Plus they have been patching things quite quickly. They didn't seem to have the time or money to fully bug test it. As long as they keep fixing it quickly, I will be happy.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: The Noodles Guy on May 28, 2013, 02:04:51 PM
Ok, so when I play Practice Modo, Marisa keeps doing this...
(http://i44.tinypic.com/xpyayu.png)

what happens?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 28, 2013, 02:05:21 PM
I would say it's mostly time, especially since they thought it was done until the last day when they found a critical bug they had to fix. So I don't think they had time to test out the patch before the release of the game and in turn, made Koishi break the game instead.

Also, now I can learn combos with her vine special. This will be fun~
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Unfortunate on May 28, 2013, 02:24:48 PM
Ok, so when I play Practice Modo, Marisa keeps doing this...
(http://i44.tinypic.com/xpyayu.png)

what happens?

It's kinda hard to see but she's blocking your attacks. The AI has this as it's default behavior when you play Practice Mode.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 02:35:07 PM
Ok, so when I play Practice Modo, Marisa keeps doing this...
(http://i44.tinypic.com/xpyayu.png)

what happens?

You mean that they keep blocking? CHange the these settings in the pause menu. Making it the second option for each eliminates blocking

(http://imageshack.us/a/img854/5960/guardl.jpg)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 28, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
So guys I made a short Koishi combo video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOdb_rdKapw)

Hopefully it'll help you guys not only see how she can combo on given situations, maybe you guys can figure out even more damaging combos to work with? Though this was all done in 1.01, so maybe with Growing Pain I can do much more :V That'll be for another combo video though so we'll see.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 03:02:29 PM
So guys I made a short Koishi combo video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOdb_rdKapw)

Hopefully it'll help you guys not only see how she can combo on given situations, maybe you guys can figure out even more damaging combos to work with? Though this was all done in 1.01, so maybe with Growing Pain I can do much more :V That'll be for another combo video though so we'll see.

I'll have to watch it during lunch, since right now work blocks youtube, but I am interested. When I played Koishi in Story, she was fun, if confusing.

Do you have button inputs with that?
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Post by: Gpop on May 28, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
I'll have to watch it during lunch, since right now work blocks youtube, but I am interested. When I played Koishi in Story, she was fun, if confusing.

Do you have button inputs with that?
I could, but a lot of it is pretty self explanatory, especially since a lot of the times she's limited to A and X for instant moves, and a lot of her specials don't really change except for Growing Pain and her lightning dial special (just remember that if lightning goes up, the card is set to either up or forward, while if it goes down then it is set to either back or down). A lot of the combos use either neutral or Shinto faith, though one uses Buddhist faith to give her heart projectile more durability and juggle in a corner combo
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 03:24:30 PM
I could, but a lot of it is pretty self explanatory, especially since a lot of the times she's limited to A and X for instant moves, and a lot of her specials don't really change except for Growing Pain and her lightning dial special (just remember that if lightning goes up, the card is set to either up or forward, while if it goes down then it is set to either back or down). A lot of the combos use either neutral or Shinto faith, though one uses Buddhist faith to give her heart projectile more durability and juggle in a corner combo

Interesting. what faith do you like the best for Koishi?
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Post by: Gpop on May 28, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
Interesting. what faith do you like the best for Koishi?
I would say Shinto. It gives her a lot more range with her projectiles, though I haven't played around with the others as much and I'm just going with what's best for my playstyle. I can't really see her as rushdown enough to use Buddhist faith, especially since her dash isn't really the greatest for getting in (though her teleport is pretty good).

Taoist faith don't think is for her, she doesn't really need fast projectiles and from what I've tested it doesn't affect how long it takes for her projectile declare to come out any quicker.
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Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2013, 03:44:18 PM
With this being made by an indie company with only a few people and on a tight deadline for this convention, I think it's understandable to have it a bit unfinished. Plus they have been patching things quite quickly. They didn't seem to have the time or money to fully bug test it. As long as they keep fixing it quickly, I will be happy.

Usually I would rather a game be delayed for months and actually finished, but you're right that they didn't have many options because of the convention release. Again, very happy with the pace of the updates, just as long as they're not thrown together and cause more problems than they fix. I hope they'll release a fixed version of the game disc once everything is ironed out, but that seems kind of unlikely.
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Post by: fondue on May 28, 2013, 03:54:26 PM
Actually, I still can't pull off Last Words...  Tried it in training mode with max popularity, but still...
X+Y
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 03:56:46 PM
I would say Shinto. It gives her a lot more range with her projectiles, though I haven't played around with the others as much and I'm just going with what's best for my playstyle. I can't really see her as rushdown enough to use Buddhist faith, especially since her dash isn't really the greatest for getting in (though her teleport is pretty good).

Taoist faith don't think is for her, she doesn't really need fast projectiles and from what I've tested it doesn't affect how long it takes for her projectile declare to come out any quicker.

Yeah, I would agree that having your projectiles going farther with Koishi would be better. More range on her projectiles means her spells will activate farther away I assume. I myself am trying to find my favorite Mamizou Playstyle. I use shinto right now because I like having some range, but I kinda liked Taoist as well. Buddist could work if I get more of a rushdown style for her. I just need to hit the training room and work. It sucks that you can't change spells in training...

Usually I would rather a game be delayed for months and actually finished, but you're right that they didn't have many options because of the convention release. Again, very happy with the pace of the updates, just as long as they're not thrown together and cause more problems than they fix. I hope they'll release a fixed version of the game disc once everything is ironed out, but that seems kind of unlikely.

I think the last patch caused issues since they had no time to test. this latest one they had time to test a bit. I think we will not see issues like that again

I doubt they will release a fixed game disc version, mainly because that will cost them a lot of money. I do hope they make an online store where you can buy the game and download it with the updated versions. I did buy my own copy, but being able to download it will help a lot of people.
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Post by: The Noodles Guy on May 28, 2013, 03:58:19 PM
It's kinda hard to see but she's blocking your attacks. The AI has this as it's default behavior when you play Practice Mode.
Aw, thanks.
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Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2013, 04:00:32 PM
I think the last patch caused issues since they had no time to test. this latest one they had time to test a bit. I think we will not see issues like that again

I doubt they will release a fixed game disc version, mainly because that will cost them a lot of money. I do hope they make an online store where you can buy the game and download it with the updated versions. I did buy my own copy, but being able to download it will help a lot of people.

Agreed on all counts. The problems with the first patch are forgivable given how quickly they were fixed. I've just had baaaad experiences with stuff like this in the past. This isn't looking at all like that so far, but it does have me a little nervous.

And yes, being able to download the game would be great. Is it possible come kind of international release issue is the reason we're not seeing that yet? Seems a little odd to even have a physical release at this point.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 04:04:14 PM
Agreed on all counts. The problems with the first patch are forgivable given how quickly they were fixed. I've just had baaaad experiences with stuff like this in the past. This isn't looking at all like that so far, but it does have me a little nervous.

And yes, being able to download the game would be great. Is it possible come kind of international release issue is the reason we're not seeing that yet? Seems a little odd to even have a physical release at this point.

If this was a big name company, I would be quite furious.

International release issue I see being a big issue for non of the games being avalible for download. Plus, I think in japan people like having a physical copy a bit more then download, but I may be wrong.

I am hoping with ZUN coming to America this September, that he may announce some sort of special thing so people outside of Japan can buy touhou stuff. Maybe a deal with some sort of indie game downloadable game site or something.
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Post by: Imosa on May 28, 2013, 04:37:29 PM
As I understand it, ZUN doesn't like electronic distribution, and doesn't like anyone else liking electronic distribution. Setting up some method where people can just download the game seems easy, but that's just not what he wants to do.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 04:39:08 PM
As I understand it, ZUN doesn't like electronic distribution, and doesn't like anyone else liking electronic distribution. Setting up some method where people can just download the game seems easy, but that's just not what he wants to do.

Really? Huh. I respect his choice, but I wonder why he dislikes it.
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 28, 2013, 04:40:11 PM
Really? Huh. I respect his choice, but I wonder why he dislikes it.

I suspect it might be because he would have to fork over some of the distribution control to the digital marketplace doing the distributing.
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Post by: Imosa on May 28, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
Really? Huh. I respect his choice, but I wonder why he dislikes it.
As I understand it, it has to do with the doujin mindset, or something like that.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 28, 2013, 04:58:17 PM
As I understand it, it has to do with the doujin mindset, or something like that.

Who know's, maybe his visit to the US in September will spark something that will get him to ship the Touhou games overseas officially or something /shrug

Also is it just me or does the AI Escape from combos too early or something as I'm practising Mamizou's combo's (that I've found so far) I've noticed if the combo doesn't stun them, they automatically escape when the Rate get to 25% or lower even if theyre in teh middle of a multi-hit attack like say Mamizou's Down-Heavy Physical (the Stone Head like Youkai she summons)
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Post by: Imosa on May 28, 2013, 05:06:30 PM
Who know's, maybe his visit to the US in September will spark something that will get him to ship the Touhou games overseas officially or something /shrug
That is the predominant hope.
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Post by: _cf on May 28, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
Really? Huh. I respect his choice, but I wonder why he dislikes it.
ZUN really likes the doujinshi scene. Setting a digital distribution scheme diminishes the importance of actually going to an event and buying the game from the author's hands.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 05:39:07 PM
I suspect it might be because he would have to fork over some of the distribution control to the digital marketplace doing the distributing.

As I understand it, it has to do with the doujin mindset, or something like that.

ZUN really likes the doujinshi scene. Setting a digital distribution scheme diminishes the importance of actually going to an event and buying the game from the author's hands.

Huh. Interesting. I can get loving the doujin scene, and wanting to keep getting people to come to those events. It's a great goal. Sadly, that does not help us poor America,s, Europeans, and other countries that want to support ZUN and his work, yet have no means to go to these events to get the games.

Who know's, maybe his visit to the US in September will spark something that will get him to ship the Touhou games overseas officially or something /shrug


That is the predominant hope.

I hope for this as well. I think he knows how popular his series is outside of japan, and while it's not as huge as it is in Japan, I think he knows it could grow with some love. Even if he makes a US/European version of his site that lets us buy and download any of the touhou games, offical and fan made) then that would be great. The Japanese would most likely still go out and buy the physical copies, since they will get it maybe a week or 2 ahead of the rest, and everyone else can help Support ZUN and is crazy Beer filled brain.


Also is it just me or does the AI Escape from combos too early or something as I'm practising Mamizou's combo's (that I've found so far) I've noticed if the combo doesn't stun them, they automatically escape when the Rate get to 25% or lower even if theyre in teh middle of a multi-hit attack like say Mamizou's Down-Heavy Physical (the Stone Head like Youkai she summons)

I too am trying to learn some good Mamizou combos or set ups. She is my main with either Koishi or Futo as my second. I do notice that the AI excapes from combos randomly sometimes.

Question, what is your favorite alignment for Mamizou? I like Shinto because it seems to give her projectiles more range and she can cover the full screen with her attacks.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 28, 2013, 06:16:42 PM
I too am trying to learn some good Mamizou combos or set ups. She is my main with either Koishi or Futo as my second. I do notice that the AI excapes from combos randomly sometimes.

Question, what is your favorite alignment for Mamizou? I like Shinto because it seems to give her projectiles more range and she can cover the full screen with her attacks.

Still haven't decided yet, though Mamizou doesn't seem to be effected by each as much as some other characters though, that or I haven't noticed the major changes to her skills the alignments have, and I think she's gonna be the character that only has a few basic combos that you can mix up to your heart's desire lol and I still haven't figured out what type of character she is overall :V
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 07:22:17 PM
Still haven't decided yet, though Mamizou doesn't seem to be effected by each as much as some other characters though, that or I haven't noticed the major changes to her skills the alignments have, and I think she's gonna be the character that only has a few basic combos that you can mix up to your heart's desire lol and I still haven't figured out what type of character she is overall :V

Well, I noticed that in shinto her A attacks spread in a wide pattern, and her S smoke cloud stays around her at first, then spreads out. Buddhist her A attacks just spin around right in front of her, and the cloud just surrounds her on the right and left. Taoists A shoots out very fast, and S spins around her widely. Neutral A just sends out a few shots and the Cloud just puffs around her.

I do find that her special moves don't really change depending on the direction you set it, which is different from most characters. Only her Danmaku animal and the Umbrella attack seems to be effected by direction, as far as I can tell.

Which Specials do you think are great for her? I love her ROcket Racoon Log Trap move, and her Stone statue move. I also find the lamp with homing projectiles really good. The even circle back around to hit the foe.
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Post by: Gpop on May 28, 2013, 07:25:49 PM
Yeah, I would agree that having your projectiles going farther with Koishi would be better. More range on her projectiles means her spells will activate farther away I assume. I myself am trying to find my favorite Mamizou Playstyle. I use shinto right now because I like having some range, but I kinda liked Taoist as well. Buddist could work if I get more of a rushdown style for her. I just need to hit the training room and work. It sucks that you can't change spells in training...
You can change it during character selection, so you don't have to go all the way back to the menu. It's still pretty annoying.

Still, even though I found decent combos, I doubt they are very optimal at all. I'll let the game ride out a bit more for people to see how she should be played.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
You can change it during character selection, so you don't have to go all the way back to the menu. It's still pretty annoying.

Still, even though I found decent combos, I doubt they are very optimal at all. I'll let the game ride out a bit more for people to see how she should be played.

You can? I only saw you could change what alignment she was, not what specials were on each.

The game is early, and I have seen few great fight videos or combo videos. People are still experimenting. Since I doubt the US FGC will even give this game a chance(I sent the news to a few websites and not one has published it :| ) we need to wait for the japanese crowd or the kinda small US touhou fighting crowd to make something

Question, has anyone translated the item and special lists yet? The specials I can see just by test, but not so much the items.
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Post by: AJS on May 28, 2013, 07:31:06 PM
Am I the only one who suspects that tons more spell and skill cards are going to be added in the future, like there are in Hisoutensoku?  I mean, there's so much room on the skill/spell card page that makes the current listing look downright puny.  It gives me the impression that there will be more soon enough.
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Post by: fecesnugget on May 28, 2013, 07:36:10 PM
Anybody know how to apply patch, i have  the link set to where the game is installed but when i click the button to run some error pops up (not sure). Help?
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 07:40:43 PM
Anybody know how to apply patch, i have  the link set to where the game is installed but when i click the button to run some error pops up (not sure). Help?
Apply the patch without Japanese locale from what I'm getting from the other posts here.
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Post by: fecesnugget on May 28, 2013, 07:47:32 PM
Apply the patch without Japanese locale from what I'm getting from the other posts here.

Ahhh, alright thx!
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Post by: Zork787 on May 28, 2013, 07:49:13 PM
Well, I noticed that in shinto her A attacks spread in a wide pattern, and her S smoke cloud stays around her at first, then spreads out. Buddhist her A attacks just spin around right in front of her, and the cloud just surrounds her on the right and left. Taoists A shoots out very fast, and S spins around her widely. Neutral A just sends out a few shots and the Cloud just puffs around her.

I do find that her special moves don't really change depending on the direction you set it, which is different from most characters. Only her Danmaku animal and the Umbrella attack seems to be effected by direction, as far as I can tell.

Which Specials do you think are great for her? I love her ROcket Racoon Log Trap move, and her Stone statue move. I also find the lamp with homing projectiles really good. The even circle back around to hit the foe.

The only skills I've seen that are affected by direction are the Parasol skill and Animal Danmaku Skill,  Setting the Parasol to back will have it appear behind Mamizou, setting it to up or down will have it appear in front of her and setting it to forward will have it appear a good distance from her but still in front of her.

Setting the animal Danmaku to forward or back will have it appear as a frog that moves in a straight line in front of Mamizou, hopping while it moves and setting it to up or down will change it to a Rabbit that bounces off the edges of the screen, if set to up it will move upwards first and setting it to down will make it move downwards.

That's the only Skill's that seem to be effected by direction that Mamizou has that I've seen so far.

Also Mamizou's skills and spell cards have been translated on the Wiki now http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hopeless_Masquerade/Spell_Cards/Mamizou_Futatsuiwa

Am I the only one who suspects that tons more spell and skill cards are going to be added in the future, like there are in Hisoutensoku?  I mean, there's so much room on the skill/spell card page that makes the current listing look downright puny.  It gives me the impression that there will be more soon enough.

I'm hoping this happens too

You can? I only saw you could change what alignment she was, not what specials were on each.

The game is early, and I have seen few great fight videos or combo videos. People are still experimenting. Since I doubt the US FGC will even give this game a chance(I sent the news to a few websites and not one has published it :| ) we need to wait for the japanese crowd or the kinda small US touhou fighting crowd to make something

Question, has anyone translated the item and special lists yet? The specials I can see just by test, but not so much the items.

They prolly don't think that the Touhou Fighters can be taken seriously or played competitively or something stupid like that, which we all know is a load of.... Bill take it for me~ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlb5WAJxoo)
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 07:55:44 PM
Ahhh, alright thx!
No problem, and time to see if I can get in the mood of practicing with the character's spells.

@AJS:  That would make story mode a bit more rewarding along side unlocking other stuff.  :derp:
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Post by: Zork787 on May 28, 2013, 08:41:48 PM
By the way, what's the extraction tool that's been used to extract the music and sprites from the game anyway as I would LOVE to get a download link for it if possible
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 28, 2013, 09:45:46 PM
Found this on some forum, it's the rips of the characters sprites :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/byakuren.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/futo.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/mamizou.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/miko.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/koishi.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/nitori.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/ichirin.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/kokoro.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/marisa.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62600417/reimu.7z

I can't open it though.

I tried to make a gif of Miko laughing and it came out terrible.
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Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
Just installed 1.02, and I also had the problem where it wouldn't install properly in Japanese region mode, but did in English. Looks like it was replacing the slashes in the address with some kind of Japanese character. May have worked if I had entered the address manually, but navigating to it still caused it to fail.

Can anyone confirm if it still has that crashing problem at the last boss in English compatibility after this patch?

Edit: Nevermind, yes, crashing at the last boss still happens outside of Japanese region.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 28, 2013, 10:51:56 PM
Apply the patch without Japanese locale from what I'm getting from the other posts here.

I don't mean to stir up any confusion but I installed it with Japanese locale. Maybe it differs from computer to computer or something.  :derp:
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 11:07:55 PM
I don't mean to stir up any confusion but I installed it with Japanese locale. Maybe it differs from computer to computer or something.  :derp:
Huh... I guess this means that some of our computers process the patch differently than others.  :V
No harm done Hinacle.
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Post by: Rei Scarlette on May 28, 2013, 11:13:53 PM
Maybe a little unlikely, but I'm betting some computers aren't correctly using the ¥ as a \, then. I don't believe everyone who had this problem has posted what system they were trying to install it to. Some of you did but I can't really pin down the cause yet.

I still haven't patched yet so I can't confirm if it's working correctly on Windows Vista or not.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 28, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
Just uploaded another Mamizou video, this time against Lunatic AI Futo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4IQnIcPH5o) and yeah, screw Futo's Heavy Physical Tornado and Plate Spam lol :V

And yeah, when installing the patch, don't install it with applocale, just install it like normal since the patch will have the yen¥ symbol instead of \ in the address bar as Japanese computers use the Yen¥ symbol instead of the \ that English computer's use since if you change your keyboard to a Japanese IME, you'll find that they're bound to the same key.
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Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2013, 11:24:31 PM
Maybe a little unlikely, but I'm betting some computers aren't correctly using the ¥ as a \, then. I don't believe everyone who had this problem has posted what system they were trying to install it to. Some of you did but I can't really pin down the cause yet.

I still haven't patched yet so I can't confirm if it's working correctly on Windows Vista or not.

Mine was on Windows 8.

And yeah, when installing the patch, don't install it with applocale, just install it like normal since the patch will have the yen¥ symbol instead of \ in the address bar as Japanese computers use the Yen¥ symbol instead of the \ that English computer's use since if you change your keyboard to a Japanese IME, you'll find that they're bound to the same key.

Interesting. Seems consistent with what I saw. Makes sense.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 28, 2013, 11:24:48 PM
Just uploaded another Mamizou video, this time against Lunatic AI Futo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4IQnIcPH5o) and yeah, screw Futo's Heavy Physical Tornado and Plate Spam lol :V

And yeah, when installing the patch, don't install it with applocale, just install it like normal since the patch will have the yen¥ symbol instead of \ in the address bar as Japanese computers use the Yen¥ symbol instead of the \ that English computer's use since if you change your keyboard to a Japanese IME, you'll find that they're bound to the same key.
Even on Normal Futo's AI IS fricking annoying with the plates and Tornados, but I gotta say the way you kept nailing her down with Mamizou's wall drop was funny.
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Post by: zferolie on May 28, 2013, 11:44:21 PM
Just a note, I was able to install 1.02 without changing any of my settings. maybe because I didn't use Applocal to change to Japanes, but the Windows 7 option to do that

Just uploaded another Mamizou video, this time against Lunatic AI Futo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4IQnIcPH5o) and yeah, screw Futo's Heavy Physical Tornado and Plate Spam lol :V

And yeah, when installing the patch, don't install it with applocale, just install it like normal since the patch will have the yen¥ symbol instead of \ in the address bar as Japanese computers use the Yen¥ symbol instead of the \ that English computer's use since if you change your keyboard to a Japanese IME, you'll find that they're bound to the same key.

That Lunatic Futo was dumb as well. Never broke a single plate, haha
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Post by: Zork787 on May 29, 2013, 12:00:15 AM
Just a note, I was able to install 1.02 without changing any of my settings. maybe because I didn't use Applocal to change to Japanes, but the Windows 7 option to do that

That Lunatic Futo was dumb as well. Never broke a single plate, haha

Yeah, though that's because the AI in general DOESN'T USE SPECIAL ATTACKS OR SPELL CARD!

And you wonder why the AI is so easy to beat with a bit of practice, heck maybe they'd actually HAVE some challenge outside of story mode if they did lol
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Post by: monhan on May 29, 2013, 12:28:45 AM
Yeah, though that's because the AI in general DOESN'T USE SPECIAL ATTACKS OR SPELL CARD!

And you wonder why the AI is so easy to beat with a bit of practice, heck maybe they'd actually HAVE some challenge outside of story mode if they did lol
Yeah, I really wish they were harder. Hope someone will try to make some downloadable AI. That one from Hisouten/Soku is really fun.
Can we ask Tasofro to make it harder? They should be able to do it with a patch.
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Post by: Serela on May 29, 2013, 12:30:58 AM
The ooooonly change in Koishi from faith that I can see is on her basic danmaku, and whether or not she can charge moves (bhuddist). Koishi movecharging is interesting because she gets to charge them ahead of time. I love charged Lightbulb. The AI doesn't seem to really use the other strong melee intelligently enough to ever want them queued, though... her downwards one has interesting movement implications, though.

I don't really see -any- use in long range basic danmaku for Koishi, and as far as I can tell it has zero effect on her specials, so I've been using Bhuddist; the new version of her basic danmaku is so much better this way, I think, it's fabulous. If I'm at close-but-not-melee range and worried about anything I just start spamming it, and it usually works out.

Need to watch Gpop's video a few times and figure out how to actually chain my basic attacks consistently. I keep getting bodied by that darn Nitori loop. I should probably test serious use of Growing Pains too, since I've only been using the other 5 skillcards... I had dropped growing pain in exchange for a spare slot to throw a bhuddism card into.

If her specials change at all from faiths (Or, heck anything apart from Growing Pains changing from direction other then the small rotation difference Gpop noted on the laser) I'd love to know since I could be missing out.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 29, 2013, 01:10:51 AM
Question, what do you guys think of teh Timer in HM?, do you like it? Not like it? or not bothered either way? as well as your argument as to why there should be no timer like there was in IaMP, SWR and Soku.

And do you guys think guarding is more or less punishing in HM than it was in Soku

Personally, I actually like the timer since it stop's matches going on for 5+ Minutes when the opponent decides to stay on the defensive and constantly move around and you just hope Typhoon happens sooner rather than later and yeah i do think guarding is more punishing in HM since  the more you guard, the less spirit you have overall and the less attacks you can do overall and will probably throw off your timing's and make you unable to do any proper combos until it recharges which takes a while, forcing you to either stall until it does, or suffer a guard break which despite fully replenishing your Spirit Gauge, will most likely completely screw you over as the opponent will probably combo you till the dogs come home when that happens (or you get stunned :V)

But yeah, that's pretty much my opinion on the matter, though I don't really know much about fighting game's in general really /shrug
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Post by: Kilgamayan on May 29, 2013, 01:15:33 AM
Finally got around to this. My favorite part is how Rin's background animation is the Johnny Bravo-esque dance from Damnit Koishi Just Turn Your Head (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Komeiji_Satori_no_Jousou_Kyouiku).
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Post by: Kosachi on May 29, 2013, 01:35:32 AM
Question, what do you guys think of teh Timer in HM?, do you like it? Not like it? or not bothered either way? as well as your argument as to why there should be no timer like there was in IaMP, SWR and Soku.
I believe it was a smart move to add a timer, yet they should slow down the rate in which it counts down. I find myself almost always winning/losing by timeout and that somewhat gets on my nerves. It fixes the problem of people playing too defensively, but now adds the issue of having to be too aggressive.

This may be a good thing in the eyes of some, but don't forget how quickly your spirit gauge goes down, so you're stuck relying on normal attacks most of the time; slowing the game. (in my case)
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Post by: Tiamat on May 29, 2013, 01:40:42 AM
Watching some videos looking at Mamizou's sprite's animations, I can't help but think that you could probably replace Mamizou with a certain other youkai using most of those animations and it would fit just fine, with those sitting animation for her idle pose, laid back dash animation, umbrella attack, tendency to attack with seemingly random objects popping out of no where, and her youkai train spell card.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 01:45:48 AM
Still gotta dropping a wall on people is fun <3
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Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 01:47:54 AM
The umbrella she uses is a karakasa (well, a tanuki disguised as a karakasa). Pretty much all her attacks are other youkai. Not objects. She's playing the part of a lord of youkai, something Yukari only wishes she were. She commands the legions of youkai who fight for her. BTW, the wall is (a tanuki disguised as) a nurikabe.

It is true that she serves a fairly similar role though.
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Post by: commandercool on May 29, 2013, 01:54:06 AM
Finally got around to this. My favorite part is how Rin's background animation is the Johnny Bravo-esque dance from Damnit Koishi Just Turn Your Head (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Komeiji_Satori_no_Jousou_Kyouiku).

Looks like Orin can't... stop... doing.. the monkey! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YZHU0mMzsCk#t=64s)
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Post by: Sagus on May 29, 2013, 01:56:05 AM
She's playing the part of a lord of youkai, something Yukari only wishes she were.

Yukari has a nine-tailed fox doing her every whim. She doesn't need other youkai :V.
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Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 02:00:37 AM
Yukari has a nine-tailed fox doing her every whim. She doesn't need other youkai :V.
Yeah, but she still likes to pretend she's in charge of them. It's kind of cute, really.
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Post by: Sagus on May 29, 2013, 02:13:29 AM
Yeah, but she still likes to pretend she's in charge of them. It's kind of cute, really.
Not really. She doesn't go around bossing other youkai or trying to make them work for her. Nothing really indicates that she thinks of herself as a youkai leader.

And she did lead the youkai into the moon, once, so at any rate she was in charge of them, at one point in time. And wrote the Vampire Pact, that'd eventually lead to the spellcard system.  (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Colophon)And a bunch of other little manipulations and stuff to keep youkai in line/preserve them, really (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo#Backstory). She may not control them directly, but her influence is quite widespread.
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Post by: Rei Scarlette on May 29, 2013, 02:14:47 AM
@Orin's animation: As I said somewhere else that I can't find in one of these HM topics, I'm like 90% sure that's a reference to another game by tasofro, "Satori Komeiji's Mental Education"

Koishi, Orin, and Okuu all do that when you get one of them to the present and they are waiting for the other(s) to reach it as well. Of course, THAT could very well have been a reference to something else too in the first place.

Just an interesting thing I noticed, it wasn't just randomly pulled from nowhere~


Edit: Oh yeah I'm an idiot who is too lazy to click, read, or notice links btw. Kilga JUST NOW said this :colonveeplusalpha:
i was first, countdown to mima post #501

I'll leave this here for you all to laugh at me not paying attention. :derp:
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Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 02:17:00 AM
Not really. She doesn't go around bossing other youkai or trying to make them work for her. Nothing really indicates that she thinks of herself as a youkai leader.

And she did lead the youkai into the moon, once, so at any rate she was in charge of them, at one point in time. And a bunch of other little manipulations and stuff to keep youkai in line/preserve them, really (http://And a bunch of other little manipulations and stuff to keep youkai in line/preserve them, really). She may not control them directly, but her influence is quite widespread.
In WaHH she acts like youkai are all some kind of united front and talks about spies and such, despite there being no indication that any of them actually report to her or anything. So she's acting like she's the leader, but doesn't really do anything that would indicate that. I'll admit that she's influential though.

By contrast Mamizou actually has a gang of minions.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 29, 2013, 02:19:04 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/download/w4svk39r54qus1e/130528_2110_marisa_ichirin.rep
Marisa VS Lunatic Ichirin

Yeah I suck but the AI is the same as in the previous games.
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Post by: Sagus on May 29, 2013, 02:24:34 AM
In WaHH she acts like youkai are all some kind of united front and talks about spies and such, despite there being no indication that any of them actually report to her or anything.
That we know of, anyway.
'Sides, they don't need to be reporting directly to her. She could simply be eavesdropping, using shikigamis (like she did with her crows in SSiB).

And hey, maybe she was only showing off to Kasen. Hopefully we'll know for sure someday (although I kinda doubt it. I like the ambiguity, anyway)

By contrast Mamizou actually has a gang of minions.
They're all tanuki, though. And newborn tsukumogami. She herself is very impressive, but her minions... aren't.
I mean... they all run away the moment a human enters their circle.
Tanuki fricking kill themselves by drumming their bellies too hard (Forbidden Scrollery 5.5), ffs :V

EDIT: Oh my gods I just finished Kokoro's story mode and
that last image of her smilling
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
Heart Status: Melted
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Post by: Sanger Zonvolt on May 29, 2013, 02:27:52 AM
This game is just too good looking for my PC.  :ohdear:
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Post by: Gpop on May 29, 2013, 02:30:46 AM
So due to popular request I'll be working on a Koishi tutorial next week (since I got assignments and two stepmania packs to work on atm :V).
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Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 02:35:43 AM
They're all tanuki, though. And newborn tsukumogami. She herself is very impressive, but her minions... aren't.
I mean... they all run away the moment a human enters their circle.
Eh, they rush to their deaths to act as her weapons in battle. What more do you need out of minions? Although, yes, because of the tanuki thing she's merely acting like a lord of youkai.
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Post by: Tiamat on May 29, 2013, 02:37:18 AM
It's true that storyline-wise, Mamizou's objects she uses are all tanuki. For the most part, however, she looks like she's pulling random objects out of no where. The main thing I noticed was that if Yukari was a hopeless masquerade character, you could give her all of Mamizou's animations and attacks with only slight modifications here and there and it would fit just fine (if you removed the tail, obviously). If someone were making an HM extension using Mugen and wanted to add Yukari, they could easily just take Mamizou and work off of that if they didn't want to make an HM Yukari from scratch.

Heck, even storyline-wise, she plays a similar role to what Yukari played in IAMP (IE, penultimate character that isn't helping the final boss with her schemes but reveals the final boss to the player).

Course, someone did say in another forum that in his opinion, Mamizou was basically Yukari but fun. The two really are pretty thematically similar, I suppose, using various substitutes to fill in the holes here and there (Mamizou using tanuki instead of teleporting in random objects, for example). Course, similarities among old wise sage-ish characters should be expected when I think about it.
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Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 02:42:31 AM
Again, they're not objects, they're tsukumogami. Karakasa, nurikabe, whatever that bucket thing that Kisume is, etc. They don't just have faces because they're tanuki, that's what those youkai are supposed to look like. It's not just the storyline, thematically she's controlling this hoard of lesser youkai (which are actually all tanuki). Which is why her big spellcard is the Night Parade Gate.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 02:47:52 AM
It's true that storyline-wise, Mamizou's objects she uses are all tanuki. For the most part, however, she looks like she's pulling random objects out of no where. The main thing I noticed was that if Yukari was a hopeless masquerade character, you could give her all of Mamizou's animations and attacks with only slight modifications here and there and it would fit just fine (if you removed the tail, obviously). If someone were making an HM extension using Mugen and wanted to add Yukari, they could easily just take Mamizou and work off of that if they didn't want to make an HM Yukari from scratch.

Heck, even storyline-wise, she plays a similar role to what Yukari played in IAMP (IE, penultimate character that isn't helping the final boss with her schemes but reveals the final boss to the player).

Course, someone did say in another forum that in his opinion, Mamizou was basically Yukari but fun. The two really are pretty thematically similar, I suppose, using various substitutes to fill in the holes here and there (Mamizou using tanuki instead of teleporting in random objects, for example). Course, similarities among old wise sage-ish characters should be expected when I think about it.
Now that you mentioned it...  SHE DOES play like Yukari but, a more tanuki version, especially the Tanuki parade spellcard that mimics Yukari's train spellcard. I kinda wish Yukari was in HM but, then again she was already in 2 Touhou fighter games minus Hisou due to that you had to transfer from SWR in order to get her. I do hope however... they expand the roster a bit, or spellcards.
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Post by: Tiamat on May 29, 2013, 02:51:12 AM
Again, they're not objects, they're tsukumogami. Karakasa, nurikabe, whatever that bucket thing that Kisume is, etc. They don't just have faces because they're tanuki, that's what those youkai are supposed to look like. It's not just the storyline, thematically she's controlling this hoard of lesser youkai (which are actually all tanuki). Which is why her big spellcard is the Night Parade Gate.

They still act like objects for purpose of gameplay reasons, with the only really significant gameplay difference being an added gimmick that you can lose them if they get hit. Gameplay wise, it's very similar to Yukari in that random objects/tsukumogami pop out to extend the melee range or make for a large projectile hitbox, and the night parade, be it an army or a single train, has a very similar gameplay use anyways.

Like I keep saying and like I'm trying to say, anyone who wanted to create a custom Yukari but didn't want to bother making one from scratch could just take Mamizou, modify some things (such as removing the faces and tanuki tails from Mamizou's tsukumogami) and voila.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 29, 2013, 03:23:02 AM
hmm, apart from what can essentailly be 2 basic combo's I haven't made much, if ANY progress with finding combo's for Mamizou which is getting me to thinking that she doesn't really have a lot to begin with or something.

Or I'm just outright missing something :V

You guys had any luck so far? so far I've found with 6A 6A 6B^ 妖怪つるべぇ変化 8j 6A 6A 6Bv 6Y and if available you can add 変化「分福熱湯風呂」 to it, and the one in my video which is 6A 6A 6Bv 6Y 6A 6A 6Bv 6Y and again you can add 変化「分福熱湯風呂」 to it and that's all I've really got so far
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 29, 2013, 03:58:13 AM
So due to popular request I'll be working on a Koishi tutorial next week (since I got assignments and two stepmania packs to work on atm :V).

I'm not even touching her story mode until I figure out to use her I've been messing around in practice mode but I think she's just stupidly designed and it's easy to torn to pieces playing with Koishi when you don't even know when the attacks are going to pop off it's basically be prepared when in a specific range because Koishi might use a skill you input like 10secs ago. She's worse than Suwako but at-least suwako played normally and was easy to pick up on.
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Post by: Suikama on May 29, 2013, 04:02:53 AM
To beat Koishi's story mode just spam teleport special and head laser all day :derp:
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Post by: Setosorceror on May 29, 2013, 04:06:32 AM
also please help me translate this option for me?
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/9f9c87dd9e3e9c1fbc8e2cb9a363ce791369660434_full.png (http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/9f9c87dd9e3e9c1fbc8e2cb9a363ce791369660434_full.png)
[/quote]
I finally figured out what option 3 is! it's window'd or full screen! (that's all for now)
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Post by: game2011 on May 29, 2013, 04:08:30 AM
I'm thinking...  If there will be DLC characters, and
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 04:09:20 AM
I picked up Koishi a bit more after fooling around, apparently she does the attacks if you put in the right combinations and stores some in.
Funny enough... I somehow manage to pull off her spellcards at random even when I played her storymode I pulled off 2 Super Ego and 1 Release of the ID spells on Byakuren.
However... most of my cases with spellcards in HM... is probably... due to my luck, I'm not going to lie though sometimes it tends to backfire.  :ohdear:
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Post by: game2011 on May 29, 2013, 04:16:23 AM
I'm thinking...  If there will be DLC characters, but Tasofro insists on not having any BG characters playable, then the only plausible choices left are Meiling and Flandre.  Characters like Momiji, Daiyousei, and Koakuma get almost no love in official materials, so they obviously won't be playable.  Kasen and one of the Watatsuki Sisters may work.  DLC characters probably won't have story modes, so choices of characters shouldn't be an issue.  Even if they will have stories, I think it shouldn't be too hard trying to fit them into the plot in some way.  The Watastuki Sisters, for example, may think that this is a good chance to prove the superiority of the moon to Gensokyo after Eirin told them about what's been happening for fun or something like that.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on May 29, 2013, 04:21:41 AM
Yorihime happens to be my most hated Touhou. If she gets put in, I can enjoy beating the shit out of her as Reimu and Marisa in revenge for owning their asses in one chapter each. And I'll do it in the Hakurei Shrine stage, in front of Sakuya, Remilia and the Yakumos for good measure.  :getdown:
*flame shield on*
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Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 04:22:20 AM
I picked up Koishi a bit more after fooling around, apparently she does the attacks if you put in the right combinations and stores some in.
Funny enough... I somehow manage to pull off her spellcards at random even when I played her storymode I pulled off 2 Super Ego and 1 Release of the ID spells on Byakuren.
However... most of my cases with spellcards in HM... is probably... due to my luck, I'm not going to lie though sometimes it tends to backfire.  :ohdear:
...? There's nothing special about Koishi's spellcards. They work exactly the same as other characters. Do you mean you don't know how to use spellcards at all?
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Post by: Serela on May 29, 2013, 04:28:50 AM
Finally got around to this. My favorite part is how Rin's background animation is the Johnny Bravo-esque dance from Damnit Koishi Just Turn Your Head (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Komeiji_Satori_no_Jousou_Kyouiku).
I still need to get Perfect Clear on the two "hardest" extra levels D:
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Post by: Captain Vulcan on May 29, 2013, 04:30:28 AM
I'm thinking...  If there will be DLC characters, but Tasofro insists on not having any BG characters playable, then the only plausible choices left are Meiling and Flandre.  Characters like Momiji, Daiyousei, and Koakuma get almost no love in official materials, so they obviously won't be playable.  Kasen and one of the Watatsuki Sisters may work.  DLC characters probably won't have story modes, so choices of characters shouldn't be an issue.  Even if they will have stories, I think it shouldn't be too hard trying to fit them into the plot in some way.  The Watastuki Sisters, for example, may think that this is a good chance to prove the superiority of the moon to Gensokyo after Eirin told them about what's been happening for fun or something like that.

I won't be surprised that there will be an expansion of 13.5. But what I'm looking forward to the most is a voice patch for the characters.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 29, 2013, 04:31:21 AM
..........I Feel like I got ignored in relation to Mamizou's Combo's :V But I digress lol

Yorihime happens to be my most hated Touhou. If she gets put in, I can enjoy beating the shit out of her as Reimu and Marisa in revenge for owning their asses in one chapter each. And I'll do it in the Hakurei Shrine stage, in front of Sakuya, Remilia and the Yakumos for good measure.  :getdown:
*flame shield on*

to Quote Zun in the bonus interview at the end of SoPM
Quote from: SoPM
Quote from: Zun
Well, if I have to. The Watatsuki sisters are princesses of the moon. Toyohime has "the ability to connect mountains and seas", which is an ability to move anywhere she likes. Most importantly, she can move between the Lunar Capital and Earth, with Gensokyo being the "mountain" and the moon being the "sea".
Quote from: Interviewer
Ah, that's a rather specific explanation. I only saw her as eating peaches or carrying super-weapons...
Quote from: Zun
I didn't explain the weapons to Aki★Eda so the depiction was super vague (laugh). Her sister Yorihime is a more ordinary character.
Quote from: Interviewer
She feels like the powered up form of a main character.
Quote from: Zun
That's because she's a cheater. Her abilities are not grounded on science in the least. The stronger the Kami she invokes, the stronger she becomes. She's so strong, I could only get away with putting her in a comic, because you need to be able to defeat all of the bosses in the games and all. That't why I have to limit her appearances.

So if you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at Zun for making her intentionally OP to begin with :V
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 04:32:00 AM
...? There's nothing special about Koishi's spellcards. They work exactly the same as other characters. Do you mean you don't know how to use spellcards at all?
It's just my luck tends the kick in at random, and I know how to use spellcards it's just sometimes... the combination doesn't lock in or the game decides to troll me.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 29, 2013, 04:37:43 AM
...? There's nothing special about Koishi's spellcards. They work exactly the same as other characters. Do you mean you don't know how to use spellcards at all?

The fact that they have a delay until you meet the requirements of them special enough. Sure you can easily memorize how to use each attack but executing it is different story and this is why I say she's stupidly designed but her spellcards are actually useful.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 04:41:18 AM
I guess they wanted to imply the Unconscious part of Koishi through her gimmick of how she attacks.  :derp:
That's the only reason I think why Tasoforo gave her that gimmick.  :colbert:
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 29, 2013, 04:45:42 AM
Yeah I expected that but I didn't think they would handle it like this though.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 04:47:10 AM
Yeah I expected that but I didn't think they would handle it like this though.
My thoughts exactly.  :V
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Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 04:48:27 AM
The fact that they have a delay until you meet the requirements of them special enough. Sure you can easily memorize how to use each attack but executing it is different story and this is why I say she's stupidly designed but her spellcards are actually useful.
The spellcards don't have a delay... Oh you're talking about her skills? It's important to get the terminology straight to avoid confusion...
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Post by: Aya Reiko on May 29, 2013, 05:08:07 AM
I'm thinking...  If there will be DLC characters, but Tasofro insists on not having any BG characters playable, then the only plausible choices left are Meiling and Flandre.  Characters like Momiji, Daiyousei, and Koakuma get almost no love in official materials, so they obviously won't be playable.  Kasen and one of the Watatsuki Sisters may work.  DLC characters probably won't have story modes, so choices of characters shouldn't be an issue.  Even if they will have stories, I think it shouldn't be too hard trying to fit them into the plot in some way.  The Watastuki Sisters, for example, may think that this is a good chance to prove the superiority of the moon to Gensokyo after Eirin told them about what's been happening for fun or something like that.
Add in the DDC characters too since any expansion would likely come out after the full version of DDC comes out.  Doesn't Sekibanki's bio reference the religious turmoil?

Theoretical addable characters:
Meiling --  Stage: SDM
One of the Watatsuki sisters -- Stage: Bamboo Forest near Eientei
Sekibanki or Kagerou-- Stage: ??
Momiji or Hatate -- Stage: Youkai Mountain
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 05:12:29 AM
Doesn't Sekibanki's bio reference the religious turmoil?
Yes. It says she didn't participate in it. Probably the most disconfirmed a character's ever been.

Anyway, if there's an expansion or any DLC characters I wouldn't expect the background rule to matter anymore. Presumably they haven't had time to fully consider which characters they'd want to make in the future, and it's simple enough to remove someone from the background if they really feel like doing so. Or, more likely, leave them in and make jokes about tanuki.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on May 29, 2013, 06:20:46 AM
I won't be surprised that there will be an expansion of 13.5. But what I'm looking forward to the most is a voice patch for the characters.
Hearing voice acting in Tougou game will be really odd to me.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 29, 2013, 06:37:11 AM
Hearing voice acting in Tougou game will be really odd to me.

yeah, was never a fan of the SWR/Soku Voice patch myself so even if one does come out, will probably not use it
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: game2011 on May 29, 2013, 06:49:13 AM
Add in the DDC characters too since any expansion would likely come out after the full version of DDC comes out.  Doesn't Sekibanki's bio reference the religious turmoil?

Theoretical addable characters:
Meiling --  Stage: SDM
One of the Watatsuki sisters -- Stage: Bamboo Forest near Eientei
Sekibanki or Kagerou-- Stage: ??
Momiji or Hatate -- Stage: Youkai Mountain
Hatate appears in the background as well, so she's out.  And yeah, I was thinking that it's possible for them to throw in DDC characters as well.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Starxsword on May 29, 2013, 06:55:21 AM
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I believe it was a smart move to add a timer, yet they should slow down the rate in which it counts down. I find myself almost always winning/losing by timeout and that somewhat gets on my nerves. It fixes the problem of people playing too defensively, but now adds the issue of having to be too aggressive.

I have not played the game yet, but have you tried declaring spell cards? It pauses the timer and gives you more time to fight it out.

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then the only plausible choices left are Meiling and Flandre.  Characters like Momiji, Daiyousei, and Koakuma get almost no love in official materials, so they obviously won't be playable.  Kasen and one of the Watatsuki Sisters may work.

Let me say that Akyuu is not seen in any of the backgrounds.

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So if you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at Zun for making her intentionally OP to begin with

All fighting game bosses are OP.


@background characters:
I agree, considering that most characters are already in the background, it is possible for newer characters to ignore this background rule.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on May 29, 2013, 07:44:38 AM
I personally like the timer being so small. Now instead of having to eventually approach my opponent, I can just get a few hits in and run the clock Shinto/Daoist style. Instead of the winning player  needing to go in for the kill, the losing opponent is forced to approach, giving the advantaged player a huge leeway in strategy.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Starxsword on May 29, 2013, 08:36:45 AM
Really? And here I thought health has nothing to do with winning.
And 99 seconds is short? Wasn't it always 99 seconds in other games?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on May 29, 2013, 09:17:16 AM
Getting a hit grants your popularity, at least in the demo. You only need to be up one more percentage than the opponent to win.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Unfortunate on May 29, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
Let me say that Akyuu is not seen in any of the backgrounds.

I'm calling it now. Akyuu for playable character.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 09:32:05 AM
I'm calling it now. Akyuu for playable character.
I was actually predicting this as one of my "the world has gone crazy" guesses after Nitori was revealed, but Mamizou ended up with the moveset I imagined for her. Although the youkai would have been coming from books. Does the game have place for two summoners? And if not, what exactly can Akyuu do?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Prime32 on May 29, 2013, 10:59:55 AM
In WaHH she acts like youkai are all some kind of united front and talks about spies and such, despite there being no indication that any of them actually report to her or anything. So she's acting like she's the leader, but doesn't really do anything that would indicate that. I'll admit that she's influential though.

By contrast Mamizou actually has a gang of minions.
I figure that the leader figures among the youkai* see her as incredibly suspicious, but too useful not to associate with - she's awesome at both intelligence and logistics, and apparently invented some of their astronomy to boot.

*Not that all youkai pay attention to them, but we know the tengu have an organisational structure, and DDC implies more
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on May 29, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
The fact that they have a delay until you meet the requirements of them special enough. Sure you can easily memorize how to use each attack but executing it is different story and this is why I say she's stupidly designed but her spellcards are actually useful.
I disagree entirely on the "stupidly designed" part. She's GREAT fun to play with if you know what you're doing. You can predict when her skills are going to fire, you just have to pratice to know the timing and distance necessary; they are certainly not random. Just because you don't know how to play with her doesn't mean she's badly designed, dude.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 29, 2013, 12:17:05 PM
And 99 seconds is short? Wasn't it always 99 seconds in other games?

The other games didn't have timers. The damage values of Touhou games aren't as big as say Street Fighter or KOF. That and it's really hard to play this game due to the aerial combat system but it feels like the fighters are in water. They jump up but eventually move back to the center or duck below and move back to the center.

Tasfro should've included an option to disable the timer. I might come up with one in cheat engine though or learn to be more aggressive.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Imosa on May 29, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
Isn't one point of the timer to force people to take the popularity mechanic into consideration. Like, I thought the point of this game was to end up being more popular, not to end up beating the opponent.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 29, 2013, 12:48:17 PM
Isn't one point of the timer to force people to take the popularity mechanic into consideration. Like, I thought the point of this game was to end up being more popular, not to end up beating the opponent.

Taking away the time will render popularity useless for most cases, so I doubt they'll disable it.

This game runs the popularity system just as MvC3 uses the X-Factor system and SFIV has the Focus system. Taking out their mechanic or rendering them useless will change the game itself which is why they won't really have that option to disable it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 29, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
hmm, apart from what can essentailly be 2 basic combo's I haven't made much, if ANY progress with finding combo's for Mamizou which is getting me to thinking that she doesn't really have a lot to begin with or something.

Or I'm just outright missing something :V

You guys had any luck so far? so far I've found with 6A 6A 6B^ 妖怪つるべぇ変化 8j 6A 6A 6Bv 6Y and if available you can add 変化「分福熱湯風呂」 to it, and the one in my video which is 6A 6A 6Bv 6Y 6A 6A 6Bv 6Y and again you can add 変化「分福熱湯風呂」 to it and that's all I've really got so far

I didn't get a chance to play last night sadly. Wanted to, but got distracted by other things. I'll have to try this combo out later. What Alignment is this in?

Where did Tasfro say they didn't want to make Background characters playable? You can see that sometimes background characters aren't in the background(Like Suika and Yuugi sometimes disapear) So that means they have the ability to remove background characters. Doesn't that mean that They could be possibly playable.

But if they decide to make them not playable, that does limit who they could choose. Mei Ling and FLandre are the 2 big names that show up. I doubt they will let use play as Kasen due to the fact that putting her in the game may spoil what exactly she is, and if they don't spoil, then when the manga comes out the game representation may not act how she is in the manga.

Also, given how broken they are I doubt the sisters will be playable. I mean, They didn't put in Mokou or Kaguya last games because they were afraid they would be broken(though I feel they may be less broken here since the game is about popularity more then beating each other up). Even ZUN has said they are broken, and wants to keep them Manga Only.

The only other choices I see happening are characters from Touhou 14 or PC-98 characters. MAybe Make Mima or Shinki DLC and then explain that because they were extra DLC, they still don't count as being part of the actual canon, lol
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: hida on May 29, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
The other games didn't have timers. The damage values of Touhou games aren't as big as say Street Fighter or KOF. That and it's really hard to play this game due to the aerial combat system but it feels like the fighters are in water. They jump up but eventually move back to the center or duck below and move back to the center.

Tasfro should've included an option to disable the timer. I might come up with one in cheat engine though or learn to be more aggressive.
Yes, it could have an option to disable the timer but then why would tasofro bother in the popularity system, and Hm would be another fighting game but with aerial combat :/ .
Personaly i think that 99 sec is just enought, if you are clearly better then the cpu, (i havent played pvp), you will beat it in 50 sec at most, if not you will require to demostrate your skills at earning popularity.
btw im having a problem unlocking mamizou, thou i have ended the story mode, and i have unlocked the 2 "bonus" stages from it, i still dont have mamizou playeable D:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 29, 2013, 02:31:13 PM
I know this has been asked a few times and hasn't really gotten a response unless I missed it, but has anyone figured out what any of the items outside of the three from the demo do? I spent a little time messing around with them last night and couldn't really figure out what the ones I was using were for (Nitori and Miko, I think). I'll see if I can get another controller set up later and have my roommate help with the testing process, but so far I got nothing aside from "broom move you", and in that case I don't know the particulars of it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on May 29, 2013, 02:35:13 PM
I know this has been asked a few times and hasn't really gotten a response unless I missed it, but has anyone figured out what any of the items outside of the three from the demo do? I spent a little time messing around with them last night and couldn't really figure out what the ones I was using were for (Nitori and Miko, I think). I'll see if I can get another controller set up later and have my roommate help with the testing process, but so far I got nothing aside from "broom move you", and in that case I don't know the particulars of it.
The Laser Pagoda shoots a decently powerful laser at the cost of a chunk of your max spirit. Not bad on characters like Byakuren who have less ranged options.

I think the bottom 4 just alter your religion balance though. The Shinto charm that gives +2 Shinto and -1 to the others, etc.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 29, 2013, 02:38:32 PM
The Laser Pagoda shoots a decently powerful laser at the cost of a chunk of your max spirit. Not bad on characters like Byakuren who have less ranged options.

I don't think I even realized that was an item. :ohdear:

I think the bottom 4 just alter your religion balance though. The Shinto charm that gives +2 Shinto and -1 to the others, etc.

Oh, that makes sense. That's probably why I didn't notice an effect from them. I wasn't looking closely at that. Interesting. So is that just when setting your moves, or is it possible to somehow shift your alignment during a match?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on May 29, 2013, 03:08:52 PM
Just a quick question, do characters have just one ending?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on May 29, 2013, 03:10:57 PM
Oh, that makes sense. That's probably why I didn't notice an effect from them. I wasn't looking closely at that. Interesting. So is that just when setting your moves, or is it possible to somehow shift your alignment during a match?

I tried it just now; you can't change your alignment mid-fight. You just "equip" them and that's it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 29, 2013, 03:14:41 PM
I tried it just now, you can't change your alignment mid-fight. You just "equip" them and that's it.

Makes sense. Being able to shift whenever would have made this game so much more complicated. And it's pretty complicated already.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: game2011 on May 29, 2013, 03:59:55 PM
Let me say that Akyuu is not seen in any of the backgrounds.
Didn't realize that she's not in the game until you brought it up...  But then, she doesn't look like someone who can fight.  Before anyone brings up the issue of Phoenix Wright in UMvC3, that's only because that game doesn't have a (serious) story, so there is no issue in him being able to fight.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on May 29, 2013, 04:29:52 PM
Koishi sure is odd to use. One minute she's just throwing her arms out, then she's kicking and shooting. I do love how she involuntarily attacks while simply dashing.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 29, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
Hello! I don't know if it will interest anyone, but I drew a new replacement icon for the game (I find the original one terrible, ugly and pixelated), so I share it for whom want.

It works basically by changing the default icon from any shortcut of the game.

256x256 format:
http://jjz6hq.1fichier.com/

48x48 format:
http://kl7od6.1fichier.com/

(I wasn't really inspired to find a good idea, so I kept Kokoro's masks as an icon, to stay in the same spirit.)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 29, 2013, 06:15:16 PM
Hello! I don't know if it will interest anyone, but I drew a new replacement icon for the game (I find the original one terrible, ugly and pixelated), so I share it for whom want.

It works basically by changing the default icon from any shortcut of the game.

256x256 format:
http://jjz6hq.1fichier.com/

48x48 format:
http://kl7od6.1fichier.com/

(I wasn't really inspired to find a good idea, so I kept Kokoro's masks as an icon, to stay in the same spirit.)

hmmmm I trust you, but those hosting sites look a bit... sketchy. Never heard of them before.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: hida on May 29, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
(http://s2.postimg.org/q22moguzd/Hopeless_Masquerade.jpg)
hmmmm I trust you, but those hosting sites look a bit... sketchy. Never heard of them before.
here the image. The host is fine
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 29, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
hmmmm I trust you, but those hosting sites look a bit... sketchy. Never heard of them before.

Sorry, it's the only site I know, but it's just an .ico file from my computer, there isn't any risk.
If you know other sites which don't ask for registration, I'll host there if you want.  :3
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 29, 2013, 06:51:19 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I had to make an important announcement

I told you guys I sent news of this game being released to a few different fighting game websites. I thought they just ignored it. But Just now I saw that SRK put the story up on the front page!

http://shoryuken.com/2013/05/29/touhou-13-5-hopeless-masquerade-released-in-japan/

I included some videos I found here in the mail I sent, like Zorks Mamizou gameplay. Hopefully this will boost some popularity for the game!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 29, 2013, 06:55:14 PM
Oh, if you want some icon here's some that I get from an artist on Pixiv.
How it looked : http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=36002587
The zip file : http://ux.getuploader.com/sukunabikona/download/1/icon.zip
The password is 'icon', put it in the bracket with a button beside it.

This one is quite nice, I'm using Okuu myself. Too bad the Nazrin one didn't work somehow.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 29, 2013, 06:57:14 PM
Oh, if you want some icon here's some that I get from an artist on Pixiv.
How it looked : http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=36002587
The zip file : http://ux.getuploader.com/sukunabikona/download/1/icon.zip
The password is 'icon', put it in the bracket with a button beside it.

This one is quite nice, I'm using Okuu myself. Too bad the Nazrin one didn't work somehow.

That OKuu is adorable! I was thinking of making an icon myself at some point. Maybe a Tewi one
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 07:24:58 PM
Hmm, I got a question and I forgot to ask this last night but, is it me or does Network play seem to cause the game to close after finishing a match for anyone else?  ???
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 29, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I had to make an important announcement

I told you guys I sent news of this game being released to a few different fighting game websites. I thought they just ignored it. But Just now I saw that SRK put the story up on the front page!

http://shoryuken.com/2013/05/29/touhou-13-5-hopeless-masquerade-released-in-japan/

I included some videos I found here in the mail I sent, like Zorks Mamizou gameplay. Hopefully this will boost some popularity for the game!
Woah man nice. Koishi front page woo

I submitted my simple combo video as a tip for the game, so hopefully they'll put in more videos on that :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 29, 2013, 09:15:07 PM
Yes, it could have an option to disable the timer but then why would tasofro bother in the popularity system, and Hm would be another fighting game but with aerial combat :/ .
Personaly i think that 99 sec is just enought, if you are clearly better then the cpu, (i havent played pvp), you will beat it in 50 sec at most, if not you will require to demostrate your skills at earning popularity.
btw im having a problem unlocking mamizou, thou i have ended the story mode, and i have unlocked the 2 "bonus" stages from it, i still dont have mamizou playeable D:

The popularity system only has one main purpose which is to regulate who wins. The way I would've done it would be that it gives you an attack boost or some kind of power up for having a high faith/popularity, and regulating when spell cards could be used ie: 50+ you can use a spell card and 100 you can use your last word and make the system slightly easier to build.

But yeah the popularity system I see no difference despite the number being displayed, if anything they knew people wouldn't finish battles in time.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 29, 2013, 09:42:01 PM
But yeah the popularity system I see no difference despite the number being displayed, if anything they knew people wouldn't finish battles in time.

I agree, I think the ease with which matches time out was a design decision. It seems very Touhou-like to me, at least thematically. Traditionally Touhous shoot each-other until somebody explodes within the mechanics of the games, but within the universe a less violent contest that ends before somebody blows up makes a lot of sense to me. I have no problem with the timer. And between the timer and the slightly faster gameplay this game doesn't have the slow motion feeling that I felt like the other two did.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 29, 2013, 10:38:45 PM
Well, the timer is not a real "problem", it's a particular feature of the game, like the moving gameplay,
but I think this wouldn't be hard to add an option in the config menu to let us choose how much time we wish, add more rounds, configure the popularity system, etc.. So people could play the way they wish.

The unpleasant thing in this system is actually when players lose in an unfair way, like having almost all their life, the enemy being almost dead but having like 1% more popularity and win the game.


The basic concept is interesting, but the inequitable issues that you can encounter makes it quite special.
I think it would be better if the winner is not the one who simply has "the most % in popularity" but an average between the life ratio and popularity ratio... This would be more fair and pleasant to play!


By the way, I was wondering, am I the only one to find the popularity system too slow to raise?
Against the computer, you can hardly reach the 100% popularity when you're lucky, but against players who already know how to play, it's almost impossible.

It's a shame to make some very nice and good looking attacks like all the last words if it's almost impossible to use it in-game...
The conditions to manage to use the last words are too strict, with more time or more round, you could at least stand a chance to use it just once against people..

But maybe I'm experiencing some bugs? I know several people who have problems with their popularity, sometimes getting 100% without any reason, or going from 60% to -40% in 1 second.
(maybe that's normal and I didn't understand yet how the game works, but it looks like bugs)

PS: sorry if my English is not perfect, that's not my mother tongue.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 11:05:02 PM
Well it would make sense for those who play as Miko since her ability relies on the popularity and she can up her popularity a little herself.  However, I do agree that the popularity decision thing is a bit unfair for those who don't know how to play well, whether it be computer wise or player wise. Even if your opponent has less life but, more popularity or you have more health but, less popularity it would go over to the opponent with more popularity.

The popularity counter does sometimes raise a little slowly due to bad run ins with good players or the computer gets lucky, although most of the time using spellcards and having them land on your opponent gives your popularity a hefty boost if not make it almost to 90% or half way to 50% popularity. This does somewhat makes things a bit hectic when you're being locked into combos,  you fail to put in the right combination for said spell card, or your spell card misses completely. Either way I don't mind the system it just needs a bit more variety so, it can make more fights interesting.  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 29, 2013, 11:17:50 PM
Kokoro used to creep me out, but after reading all the translated story modes and getting a feel for her character; I can safely say, she has become one of my favorite Touhou characters. I love her design, her story, and her 66 masks. She's in my top 3 along with Futo and Youmu.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 29, 2013, 11:19:02 PM
most of the time using spellcards and having them land on your opponent gives your popularity a hefty boost if not make it almost to 90% or half way to 50% popularity.

Seriously? Wow, I really never experienced that before, could it be possible that I got a bad version of the game that doesn't work properly?
When I (or the people I play with) make land my spellcard on the opponent, I get like +5-10% popularity bonus, in other words: almost nothing.
I just played a game right now to verify, I made my first spellcard land during the 1st round and I got +5% popularity bonus, and on the next round I got +8% bonus... I finished the game with like 45% popularity.

This is frustrating to never be able to reach the 100%, even from far...  :ohdear:

I wonder if the problem comes from my settings/computer or from the game itself...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on May 29, 2013, 11:21:47 PM
Kokoro used to creep me out, but after reading all the translated story modes and getting a feel for her character; I can safely say, she has become one of my favorite Touhou characters. I love her design, her story, and her 66 masks. She's in my top 3 along with Futo and Youmu.

Ditto here. ^^;
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2013, 11:39:45 PM
Seriously? Wow, I really never experienced that before, could it be possible that I got a bad version of the game that doesn't work properly?
When I (or the people I play with) make land my spellcard on the opponent, I get like +5-10% popularity bonus, in other words: almost nothing.
I just played a game right now to verify, I made my first spellcard land during the 1st round and I got +5% popularity bonus, and on the next round I got +8% bonus... I finished the game with like 45% popularity.

This is frustrating to never be able to reach the 100%, even from far...  :ohdear:

I wonder if the problem comes from my settings/computer or from the game itself...
You should have your game patched by now... but, I think it just varies on the person's style of gameplay or either that sometimes the way the match plays out you got the right game and stuff it's just you have to practice on what to do get your popularity up more also try out combinations on what suits you better.  :derp:

@Hinacle and Validon98: Kokoro didn't scare me that much, although I like her design and story myself. o(^_^)b
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Zork787 on May 29, 2013, 11:49:36 PM
so I heard you guys were looking for Alice and Kosuzu

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2127/th1352013053000443748.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on May 29, 2013, 11:51:32 PM
Oh, I meant ditto on the liking part. She was kind of creepy at first, but I wasn't outright scared by her. ^^;
Also, does anyone else lag on the newspaper part or the intro or is it just me? The intro lagging confuses me because it didn't lag in the trial. Huh.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 30, 2013, 12:12:06 AM
You should have your game patched by now... but, I think it just varies on the person's style of gameplay or either that sometimes the way the match plays out you got the right game and stuff it's just you have to practice on what to do get your popularity up more also try out combinations on what suits you better.  :derp:

@Hinacle and Validon98: Kokoro didn't scare me that much, although I like her design and story myself. o(^_^)b

For me, popularity rises quickly because I play aggressively and I'm constantly going after my opponent.

Oh, I meant ditto on the liking part. She was kind of creepy at first, but I wasn't outright scared by her. ^^;
Also, does anyone else lag on the newspaper part or the intro or is it just me? The intro lagging confuses me because it didn't lag in the trial. Huh.

It lags for me when I have a lot of things open (chrome, Skype, etc.), but other than that it runs fine.

I tried to do a lunatic Futo run. Aside from me messing up the Marisa and Koishi (growing pain is a pain in the ass. The roses never stop coming) fight it went smoothly, until Mamizou. Arrrggggg, all of her fucking spells are a nightmare. Fuck all of them. The time between Night Parade rushes is short. Very short. Hope you like having less than 10 seconds in-between rushes. Mamizou never stops spamming her bird danmaku. Never. NEVER. NEVEEEER. It's a nightmare. That's the only way to describe it. You thought Kokoro with Byakuren was bad? Try Mamizou with any character and I guarantee you will suffer. I don't even wanna see what Kokoro is like. >~>
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Post by: Genso on May 30, 2013, 12:13:03 AM
Hmm, is that really the case? I can get to 60-80% popularity pretty easily though it's frustrating how close it is sometimes, then again I always get 100% stun combos now. Here's a random replay that I have.

http://www.mediafire.com/?701623ci16nmqgn

Then again, I don't know what level everyone is at in skill level. Been maining Marisa, though I haven't noticed anyone else here use her. Everyone seems to use Mamizou.

She was kind of creepy at first, but I wasn't outright scared by her. ^^;

Maybe I'm weird, but I found her pretty cute the first time I saw her.~~~ :3

Try Mamizou with any character and I guarantee you will suffer. I don't even wanna see what Kokoro is like. >~>

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
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Post by: Validon98 on May 30, 2013, 12:16:55 AM
It lags for me when I have a lot of things open (chrome, Skype, etc.), but other than that it runs fine.

Uh... it still lags even with everything else closed. When they said a i7 core might be needed, they meant that, didn't they? Because my poor i5 core laptop probably isn't up to snuff enough. :I
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Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2013, 12:21:41 AM
Still haven't really figured out what to do with Nitori. Her grappling hooks initially made me want to play keepaway with her, but the angles they work at are obviously intended for doing the opposite, and using a bunch of them makes her projectiles very short-range. Her energy mechanic seems to want her to win as fast as possible, so I'll have to mess around with different movesets and see what works for rushdown. She is pretty fun regardless though. May have to settle for her as my main over Mamizou given how popular she's turned out to be.

Also, is anybody maining Byakuren? Just cleared her story mode and couldn't really figure her out. Would like to play against somebody who's good at her to see her working correctly.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 30, 2013, 12:26:23 AM
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

You brave, foolish man.
RIP GENSO
5/29/13
Died from Mamizou's BS spellcards.


Uh... it still lags even with everything else closed. When they said a i7 core might be needed, they meant that, didn't they? Because my poor i5 core laptop probably isn't up to snuff enough. :I

Looks like it. It doesn't lag much aside from that, right? It's still playable?
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Post by: Gpop on May 30, 2013, 12:31:03 AM
Once I get netplay working I want in on some netplay matches. I need to practice Koishi in real matches
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Post by: Validon98 on May 30, 2013, 12:31:31 AM
Looks like it. It doesn't lag much aside from that, right? It's still playable?

Yeah, as long as I'm in 1/2 frame mode, the gameplay itself doesn't lag. I'm just tired of waiting for the freaking newspaper animation to finish whenever I finish a fight, because it takes like ten to fifteen seconds just to get through the animation compared to the two to three it should. >.>
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Post by: Hinacle on May 30, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
Yeah, as long as I'm in 1/2 frame mode, the gameplay itself doesn't lag. I'm just tired of waiting for the freaking newspaper animation to finish whenever I finish a fight, because it takes like ten to fifteen seconds just to get through the animation compared to the two to three it should. >.>

I'm gonna see if I can find a translation of the options menu to see if there might be anything else that might help reduce lag.

Also Lunatic Futo replay (http://www.mediafire.com/?ucw1p2idu7tk6lz)
I really need to practice Futo more so I can form real combos instead throw plates and shoot fireball. Aside from Mamizou this ended up being a lot of fun. As annoying as Koi-Koi's final card was, it was fun too. Challenging, but fun.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 30, 2013, 12:39:44 AM
Uh... it still lags even with everything else closed. When they said a i7 core might be needed, they meant that, didn't they? Because my poor i5 core laptop probably isn't up to snuff enough. :I

A core i7 should net you 60fps, I get 60fps most of the time on my i3 laptop and it only slows down when certain spellcards and attacks happen. This game definitely doesn't require a i7.
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Post by: Validon98 on May 30, 2013, 12:53:02 AM
A core i7 should net you 60fps, I get 60fps most of the time on my i3 laptop and it only slows down when certain spellcards and attacks happen. This game definitely doesn't require a i7.

You see, that happens to me too. It's that damn newspaper animation, though. Gameplay without 1/2 frame, 3D backgrounds off, and "medium" background quality only lags a little bit. But even with everything turned down as low as possible, I can't get that fucking newspaper to go in normal speed. I don't get it. >_<
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Post by: Genso on May 30, 2013, 12:53:27 AM
You brave, foolish man.
RIP GENSO
5/29/13
Died from Mamizou's BS spellcards.


Looks like it. It doesn't lag much aside from that, right? It's still playable?

Not so hard:

http://www.mediafire.com/?g60wfsinna936gn

I actually beat it multiple times. Though the computer froze during my perfect run one.
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Post by: Hinacle on May 30, 2013, 01:21:40 AM
Not so hard:

http://www.mediafire.com/?g60wfsinna936gn

I actually beat it multiple times. Though the computer froze during my perfect run one.

Christ, that Koishi fight and those combos. And Mamizou spams birds. Surprise surprise. Kokoro was slightly less scary than I imagined. Also what's the input for that combo you kept doing in her second to last card and is to just me or does her last card have like no differences between difficulties?

Do this with Byakuren and I will accept Gensoism as my religion. :V
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Post by: Genso on May 30, 2013, 01:31:19 AM
It's a simple variation combo, I use the one in the replay a lot since it has the highest damage output, but there are simple changes to it all with 100 stun and 2K damage. it's AAA>2A>X>3>X>9>AAA>6A>Witching Blast. Make not that it's a corner combo. The "anywhere" variation is different.

Now to practice Byakuren since i don't really use her much.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 30, 2013, 01:42:18 AM
You see, that happens to me too. It's that damn newspaper animation, though. Gameplay without 1/2 frame, 3D backgrounds off, and "medium" background quality only lags a little bit. But even with everything turned down as low as possible, I can't get that fucking newspaper to go in normal speed. I don't get it. >_<

The game was rushed, so to stack on the problems of having a small roster + semi unlockable character and no arcade mode the engine was probably poorly optimized. Actually the first demo didn't lag on spell cards or anything.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 01:54:37 AM
I can do Network fights perfectly on my laptop, but my problem is when I win or lose a match it sometimes freezes or it goes to a blackscreen with the HM theme playing in the background, causing me to close it via clicking X.  :derp:

As for regular fights like story mode or vs computer, my laptop handles them like a pro.  :V 
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Post by: monhan on May 30, 2013, 02:20:07 AM
Also, is anybody maining Byakuren? Just cleared her story mode and couldn't really figure her out. Would like to play against somebody who's good at her to see her working correctly.
I do, I can't say I'm that good though.

Do this with Byakuren and I will accept Gensoism as my religion. :V
Kinda messy in some fight though but here's mine:
http://www.mediafire.com/?iblvrdewvr77ipm
I've done better at the last two fight but I forgot to record it. Counter for the win!

Somehow I feel that dropping some combos with Byakuren is a viable strategy because her attacks are so tight. But maybe that's just me.
Here's a somewhat better run :
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ia22oaqt5f4h50k/130530_1105_hijiri_story.rep
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Post by: DSveno on May 30, 2013, 02:26:53 AM
I'm a non-counter Byakuren main, since she has those flashy combo (I loved playing Meiling in Soku). Will try to record a proper replay if anyone interest.

Haven't played against any human opponents, though. I'm trying to spread this game to my friends at this weekend's gathering. 2 of them played Soku so I guess I could find some opponents for this game, although I'm kinda worry they will be put off by the "flight simulation" part of HM  :V.

The unpleasant thing in this system is actually when players lose in an unfair way, like having almost all their life, the enemy being almost dead but having like 1% more popularity and win the game.

The basic concept is interesting, but the inequitable issues that you can encounter makes it quite special.
I think it would be better if the winner is not the one who simply has "the most % in popularity" but an average between the life ratio and popularity ratio... This would be more fair and pleasant to play!

It think the system is fair. Did you try to play Byakuren against long range spamming characters? The popularity system make the game feel fair in that.
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Post by: Gpop on May 30, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
Actually you know what, this Saturday I'll try a few matches and see how it works, if nothing works I'll try Hamachi last resort.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 02:33:25 AM
Actually you know what, this Saturday I'll try a few matches and see how it works, if nothing works I'll try Hamachi last resort.
Hamachi works wonders, however... the screen goes black or freezes after you win or lose a match and you have to restart the game.
My friend and I usually use Hamachi for a few sessions of matches.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 30, 2013, 03:33:08 AM
Koishi VS Kokoro's last spell = Hell Mode
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 03:37:24 AM
Koishi VS Kokoro's last spell = Hell Mode
I was stuck spamming shots at Kokoro as Koishi in storymode... without trying to activate anything that would result in me getting killed.  :colonveeplusalpha:
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Post by: iK on May 30, 2013, 03:40:27 AM
I wish I knew someone to import these games from me instead of having to scrounge for very likely illegal to sell single copies at cons :/

Ah well, I'll get this thing eventually so I can see what the hell all this talk is about.
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Post by: DSveno on May 30, 2013, 03:43:13 AM
Koishi VS Kokoro's last spell = Hell Mode

You didn't mean easy mode? I passed her with the least effort compare to, say, Byakuren.
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Post by: Kingault on May 30, 2013, 03:43:36 AM
so I heard you guys were looking for Alice and Kosuzu

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2127/th1352013053000443748.png)

Ah, so Kosuzu's using a broom.
Now if only Akyuu, Rumia, Hong Meiling, and Kasen were in the backgrounds as well...
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 30, 2013, 03:46:44 AM
You didn't mean easy mode? I passed her with the least effort compare to, say, Byakuren.

Huh? I breezed through her with Byakuren. But I guess the main set back was Koishi's dash while in a normal fight works really well but against story mode is a different story. But I got through it by dodging up and down and spaming her weakest projectile attack.

I was stuck spamming shots at Kokoro as Koishi in storymode... without trying to activate anything that would result in me getting killed.  :colonveeplusalpha:

Actually it wasn't as bad as I thought but still Kokoro fucks me over again and again with her last two spells. Especially the one where she's flying across the screen and if you get caught she rapes you into a wall, don't even bother blocking because the first two hits break your spirit meter.

Well anyway I'm glad that's over.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 03:52:24 AM
Actually it wasn't as bad as I thought but still Kokoro fucks me over again and again with her last two spells. Especially the one where she's flying across the screen and if you get caught she rapes you into a wall, don't even bother blocking because the first two hits break your spirit meter.

Well anyway I'm glad that's over.
You forgot to add that the 3rd spell if you get caught in it DROPS your popularity like a hot potato, I had it happen to me ALOT especially when I played as Byakuren and well when I played as Miko I was at 80% popularity with her and welp I got hit on the 2nd wave due to derping out and got dropped to -60% popularity, gawd that was awful beyond words.  :matsuriscowl:
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 30, 2013, 04:07:03 AM
All I gotta do now is finish Ichirin Nitori and Futo's stories and then Mamizou's. I'll hold off on Kokoro's until she get's patched. Besides I already played her story on another save file via cheat engine. pretty cool that final battle.
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Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2013, 04:10:05 AM
Guh... Just cleared story mode with Miko, and damn that was rough. What exactly determines how much popularity you can lose from what? I had three or four times where my popularity dropped from 80-90 to -50 in a single hit. Is that just Miko, or just story mode, or is it ludicrously easy to lose popularity? All of Kokoro was ridiculous. I'd be at maximum popularity and doing fine, then would drop to minimum instantly and have to take five solid minutes doing shit damage as I slowly worked my way back up, then instantly lose it all again. I was right in that Miko does sort of play like Labrys in Persona, but Labrys is still fairly competent with an empty momentum gauge, whereas Miko becomes a joke character. Glad I don't have to use her anymore.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 04:16:37 AM
Guh... Just cleared story mode with Miko, and damn that was rough. What exactly determines how much popularity you can lose from what? I had three or four times where my popularity dropped from 80-90 to -50 in a single hit. Is that just Miko, or just story mode, or is it ludicrously easy to lose popularity? All of Kokoro was ridiculous. I'd be at maximum popularity and doing fine, then would drop to minimum instantly and have to take five solid minutes doing shit damage as I slowly worked my way back up, then instantly lose it all again. I was right in that Miko does sort of play like Labrys in Persona, but Labrys is still fairly competent with an empty momentum gauge, whereas Miko becomes a joke character. Glad I don't have to use her anymore.
Personally, I suggest Tasoist deck for her, and quite frankly she's easy to play as you just gotta get used her...  need for popularity to hit hard, if not there's always the "SPAM DA LAZURS" trick but, in my honest opinion I prefer dealing with that than Byakuren although, I have no hate against playing as her... IT WAS A *censor* to play her story mode.  :colonveeplusalpha:

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Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2013, 04:21:14 AM
Personally, I suggest Tasoist deck for her, and quite frankly she's easy to play as you just gotta get used her...  need for popularity to hit hard, if not there's always the "SPAM DA LAZURS" trick but, in my honest opinion I prefer dealing with that than Byakuren although, I have no hate against playing as her... IT WAS A *censor* to play her story mode.  :colonveeplusalpha:

I found Byakuren's story mode comparatively very easy. Byakuren could at least end fights quickly reliably consistently. For Miko I'd be doing fine and putting out crazy damage and the game would be all "What's that? A tiny stray bullet just barely hit you? FUCK YOU MIKO NO DAMAGE FOR YOU EVER AGAIN" and from that point on it would take ten hours to clear one spell card. I probably just picked a bad deck for her, I guess.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 04:23:04 AM
I found Byakuren's story mode comparatively very easy. Byakuren could at least end fights quickly reliably consistently. For Miko I'd be doing fine and putting out crazy damage and the game would be all "What's that? A tiny stray bullet just barely hit you? FUCK YOU MIKO NO DAMAGE FOR YOU EVER AGAIN" and from that point on it would take ten hours to clear one spell card. I probably just picked a bad deck for her, I guess.
That I can agree on about Byakuren especially with her stun then strike spell card, maybe I need to practice using Byakuren some more.
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Post by: monhan on May 30, 2013, 04:25:17 AM
Personally, I suggest Tasoist deck for her, and quite frankly she's easy to play as you just gotta get used her...  need for popularity to hit hard, if not there's always the "SPAM DA LAZURS" trick but, in my honest opinion I prefer dealing with that than Byakuren although, I have no hate against playing as her... IT WAS A *censor* to play her story mode.  :colonveeplusalpha:
Byakuren's not that hard. Make use of the vajra and counters, though you need to time those carefully. I'm still searching for a way to utilize them properly in some of the harder cards.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 04:27:34 AM
Byakuren's not that hard. Make use of the vajra and counters, though you need to time those carefully. I'm still searching for a way to utilize them properly in some of the harder cards.
*cough* Heance why I'm going to practice with her and see which combination suits me.  :V
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Post by: Genso on May 30, 2013, 04:33:24 AM
Ah good enough. Reimu's second spell always gets me cuz Byakuren lacks any powerful long ranged shots. (Shall never use her again orz)

http://www.mediafire.com/?wggtnaggxja2p4w

She has a lot of combos, but i stuck with one for reliability and becuase it's similar to Marisa's and Kokoro's combos.
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Post by: AJS on May 30, 2013, 05:28:02 AM
Maybe I'm weird, but I found her pretty cute the first time I saw her.~~~ :3
I almost thought she was creepy the first time I saw her, until I noticed the expressions she was showing on her masks.  I mean come on--a monkey mask, that really surprised golden mask, and that stupid-looking ":o" face that's also the game's icon?  That's just hilarious. :3
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Post by: N-Forza on May 30, 2013, 05:42:17 AM
I wish I knew someone to import these games from me instead of having to scrounge for very likely illegal to sell single copies at cons :/

Ah well, I'll get this thing eventually so I can see what the hell all this talk is about.
hi
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 06:16:02 AM
I forgot to mention a little bug I found while practicing with Reimu against Ichirin in VS mode, the game went haywire and froze when I was about to use Fantasy Heaven against her, so I closed the game. However, Koishi's theme was still playing and was causing my laptop a little trouble. So, I had to restart my computer to stop the music.  :derp:
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Post by: ElGreko on May 30, 2013, 06:23:28 AM
I won't be surprised that there will be an expansion of 13.5. But what I'm looking forward to the most is a voice patch for the characters.

Me too, actually it's the thing I'm the most looking forward to see, The game seems kinda void without any voices.
I know some people are not used to it, but the voices are the soul of a game, it adds so much life.
The only sad thing about voice mods was that there weren't any "complete version" findable on the net for Hisoutensoku.
I personally had to lurk and search a lot of time to download different versions of the said mods, remove the wasted or bugged things, keep the good ones, and "complete myself" the thing to get a complete and nice voice mod.
Most of the time you were finding incomplete mods with repetitive things, bugged ones or some with other voices than the original ones that were crap.

But after trying a good voicemod, I personally couldn't play without afterwards.
Almost all of the character voices were totally respecting the characters, same voice intonation, same things they were saying, etc...

Voices in hopeless masquerade would really be epic (especially during the last-word sequences), if one day you find something, please tell me!  :D



You should have your game patched by now... but, I think it just varies on the person's style of gameplay or either that sometimes the way the match plays out you got the right game and stuff it's just you have to practice on what to do get your popularity up more also try out combinations on what suits you better.  :derp:


Well, the last patch is the Ver.1.02 right? By the way, I can't wait to see the next patch to fully play Kokoro.  :3
But even if it's possible to get the 100% popularity, I find it way to hard to get, and as a result, you never see the nice animations of the last word spells in-game, especially against other players.  :ohdear:
Even against simple bots, I never got more than 80 or 90%, does anyone have a replay of games where they manage to get 100% and use theirs last word (against bots or human players)?
I'd be quite curious to see how it's done (and would probably learn a lot).


Hamachi works wonders, however... the screen goes black or freezes after you win or lose a match and you have to restart the game.
My friend and I usually use Hamachi for a few sessions of matches.

Personnaly, I exclusively used hamachi to play with my friends, and I had 0 lag, the game was exactly as fluid as in solo mod!
Everything depends on the connection of your partner, people with bad connection are more likely to make the game lag or crash, but I played with people who live on the opposite side of the earth and had 0 lag or bug.



I'm gonna see if I can find a translation of the options menu to see if there might be anything else that might help reduce lag.


Config Menu

SE Volume
BGM Volume
Windowed/Fullscreen
Fullscreen resolution
Background : Normal/->/Simple
Drawing Cycle : Normal/Half
Vertical Sync : Yes/No
Display Framerate : Yes/No
Save Replay : Yes/No/Ask every time
Save Replay(Network) : Yes/Only when playing/Only when spectating/No



Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on May 30, 2013, 07:50:38 AM
Now if only Akyuu, Rumia, Hong Meiling, and Kasen were in the backgrounds as well...

Rumia says hi

(http://i44.tinypic.com/ir8iky.png)
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Post by: Starxsword on May 30, 2013, 07:51:50 AM
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Tasfro should've included an option to disable the timer. I might come up with one in cheat engine though or learn to be more aggressive.

Are you using spell cards? There should be no way that you wouldn't be able to trigger spell cards, considering this game's mechanic.

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Also, given how broken they are I doubt the sisters will be playable. I mean, They didn't put in Mokou or Kaguya last games because they were afraid they would be broken(though I feel they may be less broken here since the game is about popularity more then beating each other up). Even ZUN has said they are broken, and wants to keep them Manga Only.

The Watatsuki sisters have no real storyline reason to be here. But I don't see why they can't be, if the developers want them playable.
I thought Kaguya and Mokou wasn't in was that they are really hard to balance?

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The only other choices I see happening are characters from Touhou 14 or PC-98 characters

I see the latter as being less likely than the Watatsuki sisters being playable.

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Does the game have place for two summoners? And if not, what exactly can Akyuu do?

Memorizable Gensokyo. So, its possible she can play like someone with all abilities. Like Seth, Edgemaster, or similar people.

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Didn't realize that she's not in the game until you brought it up...  But then, she doesn't look like someone who can fight.

That's true she doesn't look like someone who can fight. She has visited various places in Gensokyo, some fairly dangerous, like Garden of the Sun and Road of Reconsideration.
But, it is also true that Kosuzu is shown in the human village and she is new. So, why isn't Akyuu seen in the game, at least I haven't seen her.

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The unpleasant thing in this system is actually when players lose in an unfair way, like having almost all their life, the enemy being almost dead but having like 1% more popularity and win the game.

Isn't popularity related to how aggressive the player is? This way, it favors the more aggressive player and not one who can do more "chip damage" while turtling.
In theory, the mechanic is sound, but I don't know if that is so in practice. That is something players will have to figure out after playing a while.

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Now if only Akyuu, Rumia, Hong Meiling, and Kasen were in the backgrounds as well...

I think Rumia's in the background of Futo's stage.
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Post by: Aqua Soo on May 30, 2013, 09:06:13 AM
As a fighting game, I would say it doesn't get a satisfactory mark from me. Then again, this is different from traditional fighters in many ways, so I might be wrong. The popularity system doesn't necessarily promote "aggressiveness." It would be more accurate to say it punishes passive and careless play. However, putting a system to try to forcibly punish bad play isn't a good fighting game design.

I love the new art though. The in-game sprites for a few characters have faces/eyes that's a bit creepy, but maybe rightfully so (Hi, Koishi :3).

As for the character choices. Very heavy focus on newer characters, which is fine tbh. Newer characters need some love too! I am still disappointed to not see Kasen, though, who qualifies as a new character :V

Anyone know/plan to make/want a wiki for this game? Like the IaMP wiki (http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Immaterial_and_Missing_Power) and Hisoutensoku wiki (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/)? I think I found all the optimal Marisa combos lol.
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Post by: ElGreko on May 30, 2013, 09:11:54 AM

Isn't popularity related to how aggressive the player is? This way, it favors the more aggressive player and not one who can do more "chip damage" while turtling.



Well, it's actually not exactly true, it's very dangerous to be aggressive in this popularity system too.
Players who are only defending will lose their popularity, that's a good thing and it's quite logical.
But aggressive players who aren't attacking wisely or strategically will lose even more popularity and give some to the opponent. (that makes sense too)

By the way, that's not a bad system, but one of the side-effects of this gameplay is that "sometimes" you can get inequitable situations.
For example, a match where you totally destroy the opponent but don't specially get a lot of popularity (happens very often), and your adversary manages to hit you by chance one or two times during some random attacks.
Even if you have almost all your life and ruled the whole game, and the opponent is almost dead, he could win just for that reason.

This is not particularly bothering me, by the way, I'm just noticing it.
But I still think that if the ?average of the life % and popularity %? would determine the winner, this would be funnier and more pleasant to play (but there is no way it's gonna change anyway x) )


Now if only Akyuu, Rumia, Hong Meiling, and Kasen were in the backgrounds as well...

So, everyone seems to believe there will be more additional playable characters in the game, I don't really believe it although I would really love it. Does anyone officially told anywhere that there will be more playable characters in the future?

Well, I'd love to finally see Kasen in a game, however I don't think Meiling would be added since Byakuren has a lot of movements that are similar to Hisoutensoku's Meiling, and they probably won't add characters that already appeared in Hisoutensoku-SWR [excepted Reimu and Marisa]...

The only other choices I see happening are characters from Touhou 14 or PC-98 characters.

That would be great, characters like Konngara, ect.., Sekibanki or Kagerou would be awesome.
But I don't think this would ever happen  :ohdear: (maybe some Touhou 14 characters in a next additional game [like they did with Soku and SWR] in a few years?)

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Post by: Quwanti on May 30, 2013, 10:35:00 AM

Anyone know/plan to make/want a wiki for this game? Like the IaMP wiki (http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Immaterial_and_Missing_Power) and Hisoutensoku wiki (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/)? I think I found all the optimal Marisa combos lol.
http://shinkirou.koumakan.jp/
Here. And it already has some nice information.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 30, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
Are you using spell cards? There should be no way that you wouldn't be able to trigger spell cards, considering this game's mechanic.

Spell Cards are triggered mostly from getting hit yourself since attacking only fills it up at a very small rate and you'll definitely either get a time out or kill your opponent by the time it reaches half.

I'm used to having no timers in fighting games that way I don't have to be soo aggressive while playing, I'm more of a passive player at time and I try to wait and counter attack and whoop ass for a few seconds. I think the reason why I often have a hard time connecting hits is because I'm not used to a Aerial Fighter and this is the first time I played a game like this.
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Post by: Darth_Sirov on May 30, 2013, 12:15:38 PM
I'm still learning, but in so far, the best way to gain popularity is to make sure you do a lot of counterhits, not just beating down on your opponent. Against some computers, if you can time and trick them into attacking, but hit them 1st (I find Reimu's B dash attack quite good). Though I'm still wondering how a single counter hit against me got my +50 popularity into 0 or a negative value.

Ok, quick question on their gimmicks (after reading them up a bit here):
Reimu has little gimmick involve, correct?
Marisa's stars add damage when using them up, correct?
Ichirin uses a rage meter?
Byakuren has a Charge meter?
Nitori uses an ammo counter?
Koishi has a "save move until position is correct"? Anyone want to explain this further to me, esp with her 3rd eye at the center, does it glow or something? (have only used her twice)
Futo - no idea?
Miko - gaijin?
Mamizou - the 4 leaf is based on which attacks and if they're knocked out, you'll lose some abilities, correct? Anybody care to explain further?
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Post by: Imosa on May 30, 2013, 12:23:53 PM
@Darth_Sirov: Futo places and breaks plates to gain power that persists between rounds.

Someone pointed out to me that the newspaper at the end of the each match is dated May 30th in some year.
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Post by: Gpop on May 30, 2013, 12:25:59 PM
Koishi has a "save move until position is correct"? Anyone want to explain this further to me, esp with her 3rd eye at the center, does it glow or something? (have only used her twice)

Most of Koishi's special does involve correct positioning, but a few is timing based, and one is combo based (the flower grab, which is why it gives her Buddhist).

I don't thing Reimu has any gimmick though. She's just the standard, straightforward fighter of the game.
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Post by: Quwanti on May 30, 2013, 12:28:04 PM
I'm still learning, but in so far, the best way to gain popularity is to make sure you do a lot of counterhits, not just beating down on your opponent. Against some computers, if you can time and trick them into attacking, but hit them 1st (I find Reimu's B dash attack quite good). Though I'm still wondering how a single counter hit against me got my +50 popularity into 0 or a negative value.

Ok, quick question on their gimmicks (after reading them up a bit here):
Reimu has little gimmick involve, correct?
Marisa's stars add damage when using them up, correct?
Ichirin uses a rage meter?
Byakuren has a Charge meter?
Nitori uses an ammo counter?
Koishi has a "save move until position is correct"? Anyone want to explain this further to me, esp with her 3rd eye at the center, does it glow or something? (have only used her twice)
Futo - no idea?
Miko - gaijin?
Mamizou - the 4 leaf is based on which attacks and if they're knocked out, you'll lose some abilities, correct? Anybody care to explain further?
Reimu has more spirit.
Marisa has three stars, and after using three skills, the fourth one will have more density, power w/e.
Ichirin has indeed a rage meter.
Byakuren's attacks first has to be chanted by inputting the skill first, and then you can use them a few times (depends on the skill).
Nitori and Koishi are correct.
Futo's gimmick are her plates. She has to place tem using a regular bullet move, and break them using a special skill. After 20, 40, 60 and 80(?) broken plates she will gain some extra power and such.
Miko depends on the popularity. If it is red, she will gain some extra power and such, while blue makes is weaker.
Mamizou, I have no idea.

Someone pointed out to me that the newspaper at the end of the each match is dated May 30th in some year.
In fact, it depends on your computer time. 4 days ago it said 26 May, for instance.
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Post by: ToyoRai on May 30, 2013, 12:28:42 PM
Reimu: Has larger spirit gauge than any other character.
Marisa:  Strong projectiles and specials lit up one of stars. Once all four are lit up, the next strong projectile or special wihh get a buff.
Ichirin: If she gets hit enough times, she will go into rage mode.
Byakuren: You must first chant the moves before you can use them. Also, each move has its own chant.
Futo: Melee and projectiles fire plates which stay on screen if they hit opponent. Specials will break them and give Futo buffs.
Miko: Gaining popularity gives him desires. The more desire she has, more powerful her moves become. On other hand, less desire means weaker attacks.
Nitori: Her moves cost less spirit to use, but if her energy counter reaches zero, she canot use some of her moves, some moves become weaker and consume more spirit.
Koishi: Set up Strong melee, projectiles and specials and if certain conditions are made, they will activate.
Mamizou: If she gets hit while using her attack, she loses it temporatily. If she loses all of her leaves,s he cannot use her specials until she recovers them back.
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Post by: Piranha on May 30, 2013, 12:32:43 PM
Someone pointed out to me that the newspaper at the end of the each match is dated May 30th in some year.

Not quite right, it's the current date. It was May 29th yesterday and is May 30th today.
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Post by: Imosa on May 30, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
Oh so they can bother to change the date on the newspaper but not switch out background characters. Jeeze.
JK, thanks Quwanti and Piranha
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Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2013, 01:08:02 PM
Weirdly the first few times I played the newspaper was dated the previous day, so I assumed it was set to the release day. My computer was having some weird problems that have since been addressed, and now it shows the current day.
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Post by: zferolie on May 30, 2013, 01:08:16 PM
Oh so they can bother to change the date on the newspaper but not switch out background characters. Jeeze.
JK, thanks Quwanti and Piranha

I have seen back ground characters not appearing sometimes, like Iku or the Oni's. I beleive they can remove a background character if they choose.

Not quite right, it's the current date. It was May 29th yesterday and is May 30th today.

That is quite an interesting addition.

I didn't get to play too much due to playing Marvel Heroes Early, but I did get some Futo Practice. She is quite fun, and yes, while spamming Dishes and fireballs is a good way to level up your skills, one needs to learn more. I find that either neutral of Taoist fits her shot types best. Taoist lets her fire Dishes very fast, while Neutral almost always leaves her with 4-5 dishes when you use her heavy shot. Fire ball is a must, but also water bubble forward has a huge area to hit dishes too.

Not sure if anyone has posted this, so here is how her skills increase as she levels up, and how it is effected by dishes, and the direction effects.

Fireball: It homes in on all dishes. If the foe is surrounded by dishes,  use fireball. Not sure how it levels up. Back and forward shoot straight, Up angles up, down angles down.

Water Bubble:No damage without dishes. With Dishes it causes any dishes that touch the bubble to spill water for a very short time, causing damage. Higher level means water falls longer. Forward Makes a huge bubble. Back makes a very small bubble. Up and down are medium bubbles. Not sure if they have any other effect.

Arrow: Fires up at and angle and comes back down. With dishes if the arrow is close enough it will land on the dies, causing it to split into multiple copies and then rain down. Higher level means more arrows when it splits. Forward is a very far shot. Up and down are medium, Back is very close. I recommend Up or down because that will allow it to reach dishes on almost the entire stage.

Teleport dive kick. Without a dish this just does your strong attack in that direction. With a dish Futo disappears and dives straight down onto the dies and spins, doing multiple hits. Only hits 1 dish. The higher the level the more damage and wider range of the spin. I see no difference  in the direction other then what strong attack you use if you don't have a dish out.

Boat: Futo gets into her boat and rides it 3/4ths accross the screen. Not effected by any dishes on stage, For every 2 levels you get a different boat, starting with a simple boat, upgrading to a bigger boat with a seat, and ending with a very large fancy boat with a Dragon front and sail. Back and forward go straight, Up angles Up, Down Angles down. I find Down misses a lot since the hit box is what Futo Stands on, though max level includes a little part of the dragon head. I say use up or straight.

Mountain: Futo jumps to the buttom of the screen and raises a mountain. If it hits a dish rock bits fly out to do damage. Can hit multiple dishes. As level increase the width and height of mountain increases. At max level the high is 3/4's of the screen. Forward has Futo umping forward to summon. Back has her jumping back, and up and down makes her summon it at her location. I recommend not using this skill until you got at least 2 or 3 levels. At low levels the mountain does not hit mid screen.

Strong attacks: As Futo Levels up he strong attacks gain a bigger hit box and do more damage FOr example, her forward strong gets a lot more range, and also gets an added hit that knocks people away at max level.

One interesting thing. If you are at max Popularity, all Futo's wind based attacks turn gold.
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Post by: Yonowaaru on May 30, 2013, 01:13:29 PM
Ah, so Kosuzu's using a broom.
Now if only Akyuu, Rumia, Hong Meiling, and Kasen were in the backgrounds as well...

Rumia is in the background, she just doesn't always appear.
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Post by: hida on May 30, 2013, 01:16:48 PM
I'm still learning, but in so far, the best way to gain popularity is to make sure you do a lot of counterhits, not just beating down on your opponent. Against some computers, if you can time and trick them into attacking, but hit them 1st (I find Reimu's B dash attack quite good). Though I'm still wondering how a single counter hit against me got my +50 popularity into 0 or a negative value.

Ok, quick question on their gimmicks (after reading them up a bit here):
Reimu has little gimmick involve, correct?
Marisa's stars add damage when using them up, correct?
Ichirin uses a rage meter?
Byakuren has a Charge meter?
Nitori uses an ammo counter?
Koishi has a "save move until position is correct"? Anyone want to explain this further to me, esp with her 3rd eye at the center, does it glow or something? (have only used her twice)
Futo - no idea?
Miko - gaijin?
Mamizou - the 4 leaf is based on which attacks and if they're knocked out, you'll lose some abilities, correct? Anybody care to explain further?

yeah well, when the demo was released the very first time, all those detail were reveled too, you win popularity by hitting the first time that can give you 10-15 % , by declaring spellcards, by comboing and by canceling your oponents hits or spells (the fastest way), and by moving forward ( it gives you a low amount thou), now that sittuation when you lost 50% popularity was on the story mode? im asking because it havent passed to me on  vs cpu mode, but is very frecuente there.
on your ather question, every character has an "special ability" that is like the "passive" in league of legends of the "racial" on wow, in reimu case, she can "travel" from one side of the battlefild to the other by dashing toward the wall, and on ichirin, when she is red,goes rage mode, her overall damage is incresed a lot, anyway, i hope i helped you even with my bad english.
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Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2013, 01:30:01 PM
Hmm. Didn't realize until I read it just now that Miko's big homing bullet decreases her desire meter. That may help explain why I was having so much trouble with her, because I was spamming the hell out of it. Doesn't explain why I kept losing 150 popularity from light hits, but it does explain why her damage was so low for most of story mode. :derp:
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Post by: Quwanti on May 30, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Not sure if anyone has posted this, so here is how her skills increase as she levels up, and how it is effected by dishes, and the direction effects.

Fireball: It homes in on all dishes. If the foe is surrounded by dishes,  use fireball. Not sure how it levels up. Back and forward shoot straight, Up angles up, down angles down.

Water Bubble:No damage without dishes. With Dishes it causes any dishes that touch the bubble to spill water for a very short time, causing damage. Higher level means water falls longer. Forward Makes a huge bubble. Back makes a very small bubble. Up and down are medium bubbles. Not sure if they have any other effect.

Arrow: Fires up at and angle and comes back down. With dishes if the arrow is close enough it will land on the dies, causing it to split into multiple copies and then rain down. Higher level means more arrows when it splits. Forward is a very far shot. Up and down are medium, Back is very close. I recommend Up or down because that will allow it to reach dishes on almost the entire stage.

Teleport dive kick. Without a dish this just does your strong attack in that direction. With a dish Futo disappears and dives straight down onto the dies and spins, doing multiple hits. Only hits 1 dish. The higher the level the more damage and wider range of the spin. I see no difference  in the direction other then what strong attack you use if you don't have a dish out.

Boat: Futo gets into her boat and rides it 3/4ths accross the screen. Not effected by any dishes on stage, For every 2 levels you get a different boat, starting with a simple boat, upgrading to a bigger boat with a seat, and ending with a very large fancy boat with a Dragon front and sail. Back and forward go straight, Up angles Up, Down Angles down. I find Down misses a lot since the hit box is what Futo Stands on, though max level includes a little part of the dragon head. I say use up or straight.

Mountain: Futo jumps to the buttom of the screen and raises a mountain. If it hits a dish rock bits fly out to do damage. Can hit multiple dishes. As level increase the width and height of mountain increases. At max level the high is 3/4's of the screen. Forward has Futo umping forward to summon. Back has her jumping back, and up and down makes her summon it at her location. I recommend not using this skill until you got at least 2 or 3 levels. At low levels the mountain does not hit mid screen.

Strong attacks: As Futo Levels up he strong attacks gain a bigger hit box and do more damage FOr example, her forward strong gets a lot more range, and also gets an added hit that knocks people away at max level.

One interesting thing. If you are at max Popularity, all Futo's wind based attacks turn gold.
I myself don't use the water or the mountain, they are rather hard to use correctly against the other player. Her arrows are almost perfect though. Between 0 and 20 dishes it is rather useless, but after that I use it quite a lot as the multiple arrows can be quit annoying.

Also, you can do multiple Teleport dive kicks if you have more dishes set out, after eachother.

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Post by: zferolie on May 30, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
I myself don't use the water or the mountain, they are rather hard to use correctly against the other player. Her arrows are almost perfect though. Between 0 and 20 dishes it is rather useless, but after that I use it quite a lot as the multiple arrows can be quit annoying.

Also, you can do multiple Teleport dive kicks if you have more dishes set out, after eachother.

The water one seems to be only good if you can get them trapped, and for a fast way to destroy dishes. I myself am not a huge fan.

As for Mountain, it is quite hard to use on anything other then max or near max level, plus it's hard to combo into. I do need to test more

The arrows are great. A great way to fill most of the screen up. I was thinking if you combine Arrows with high level mountain, you could cover almost the whole screen then stufff

Oh? I never knew that about the teleport kick, that could be really interesting.
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Post by: Darth_Sirov on May 30, 2013, 02:14:03 PM
Thank a lot you guys. This is really useful. Looks like I need to play more of Futo, all those combination attacks makes for a fun gameplay. She greatly reminds me of Alice in her set ups.
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Post by: ToyoRai on May 30, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
This might be bit random, but dear god, every one's eyebrows are freaking thick! Seriously now, when I saw Miko's "I'M AWESOME" portrait, I was thinking to myself "What the heck happened to your eyes?!" until I realized that her eyes were closed.
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Post by: ElGreko on May 30, 2013, 03:03:52 PM
This might be bit random, but dear god, every one's eyebrows are freaking thick! Seriously now, when I saw Miko's "I'M AWESOME" portrait, I was thinking to myself "What the heck happened to your eyes?!" until I realized that her eyes were closed.

Oh wait wait wait, aren't you trying to say that you think character's eyelashes are eyebrows ?

God I'm laughing so hard right now  :D , thank you, you made my day  :] !
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Post by: ToyoRai on May 30, 2013, 03:11:57 PM
Oh wait wait wait, aren't you trying to say that you think character's eyelashes are eyebrows ?

God I'm laughing so hard right now  :D , thank you, you made my day  :] !
1. Their acutal eyebrows are so tiny compared to their eyelashes they might aswell be eyebrows

2. I am not native English speaker, so I get those two mixed.

3. They still are freaking huge no matter which one they are!
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Post by: Darth_Sirov on May 30, 2013, 03:17:07 PM
1. Their acutal eyebrows are so tiny compared to their eyelashes they might aswell be eyebrows

2. I am not native English speaker, so I get those two mixed.

3. They still are freaking huge no matter which one they are!

I'm not sure myself, but I think some artist draw thicker eyelashes as part of alluring eye beauty. I recall seeing Sakuya with thick eyelashes at Koumajou Densetsu.
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Post by: ToyoRai on May 30, 2013, 03:22:41 PM
I'm not sure myself, but I think some artist draw thicker eyelashes as part of alluring eye beauty. I recall seeing Sakuya with thick eyelashes at Koumajou Densetsu.
I don't really have problem if people draw thick eyebrows/eyelashes. Doesn't mean I cannot point out how ridiculous they might look, though :V
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Post by: ElGreko on May 30, 2013, 03:30:14 PM
1. Their acutal eyebrows are so tiny compared to their eyelashes they might aswell be eyebrows

2. I am not native English speaker, so I get those two mixed.

3. They still are freaking huge no matter which one they are!

You don't need to justify yourself, friend, I wasn't saying that to offend you :p !

I have a friend who also thought the same thing and when I told him, we laughed both hard too  :D That's funny actually!

(Ps: I'm not a native English speaker either, but I don't see the relation  :] )

By the way, the only noticeable thing is that the artist made the eyelashes color match with the hair color, I personally find the drawings pretty nice!

The only artwork I don't like is Koishi's one, I still don't know WHY did they choose that color for her hair!!
Why didn't they choose the original color instead, I don't even... But I find that "fluorescent green" awful. (also in the in-game sprites, she also have some weird green hair color, and her frozen facial expression is really weird, it's the only character I don't like in the charadesing although I really love Koishi  :( )
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Post by: Cadmas on May 30, 2013, 03:41:40 PM
Color inconsistencies are a big part of touhou :getdown:
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Post by: Darth_Sirov on May 30, 2013, 03:48:12 PM
So I was playing Miko, and her cape is very much reminiscence to Utsuho (her heavy projectile just screams Okuu). Also, I realized her desires has an effect on said cape. It actually turn red in your favor.
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Post by: Savory on May 30, 2013, 04:09:18 PM
*Just saw a vid of Nitori's Last Word*

 :o
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Post by: Gpop on May 30, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
Can anyone confirm if Koishi's last word is unblockable? My opponent always gets hit by hit no matter what the guard setting is in
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Post by: zferolie on May 30, 2013, 04:24:43 PM
Oh god the gifs are starting of Dancing Orin

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/09c64f4fe404de194b80688f41b444bd/tumblr_mnl4hiUoSu1st17kso1_500.gif)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0ca6e4271be4c2cd2761d1c1a476c4f6/tumblr_mnl2eju9Em1st17kso1_400.gif)
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Post by: ElGreko on May 30, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Can anyone confirm if Koishi's last word is unblockable? My opponent always gets hit by hit no matter what the guard setting is in

I'm sure at 90% it's unblockable, yes. The only way to avoid it is to get far from it or graze it (but it's quite risky because if you get one single hit, you get caught in the spell)

Since the area of the spell is very wide, the best idea if the enemy casts his last spell is to graze while running away to get as far as possible from it.
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Post by: Piranha on May 30, 2013, 05:39:01 PM
Omg, onehitting Kokoro's third spellcard (the one where she dives all over the screen) with Reimu's Last Word is just hilarious. :V
on Normal btw

(http://i.imgur.com/YXh7vSr.jpg)
She's all like: "This shouldn't happen!"
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
Omg, onehitting Kokoro's third spellcard (the one where she dives all over the screen) with Reimu's Last Word is just hilarious. :V
on Normal btw

(http://i.imgur.com/YXh7vSr.jpg)
She's all like: "This shouldn't happen!"
Win! Just epic win, now I know when to use my last word as Reimu.  :D
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Post by: Kingault on May 30, 2013, 06:52:13 PM
Rumia says hi

(http://i44.tinypic.com/ir8iky.png)

Fantastic. I can't believe I missed that.
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Post by: Gpop on May 30, 2013, 08:32:46 PM
I'm sure at 90% it's unblockable, yes. The only way to avoid it is to get far from it or graze it (but it's quite risky because if you get one single hit, you get caught in the spell)

Since the area of the spell is very wide, the best idea if the enemy casts his last spell is to graze while running away to get as far as possible from it.

But even if they get hit from far, they won't get pulled in close enough for the damaging part. But how good is it for okizeme or wake up set ups?
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Post by: Clarste on May 30, 2013, 10:45:09 PM
Mamizou: If she gets hit while using her attack, she loses it temporatily. If she loses all of her leaves,s he cannot use her specials until she recovers them back.
It's if her projectile gets hit, not herself. For example, if you summon the flying umbrella. Sometimes it's the same thing though, if she's holding it. Also, she can't do her Heavy Melee attacks without leaves either.

Quote from: zferolie
Boat: Futo gets into her boat and rides it 3/4ths accross the screen. Not effected by any dishes on stage, For every 2 levels you get a different boat, starting with a simple boat, upgrading to a bigger boat with a seat, and ending with a very large fancy boat with a Dragon front and sail. Back and forward go straight, Up angles Up, Down Angles down. I find Down misses a lot since the hit box is what Futo Stands on, though max level includes a little part of the dragon head. I say use up or straight.
Actually the boat does interact with the dishes. If there's a dish behind you, you can re-input the command to make Futo jump off her boat and land on a dish, which turns into another boat. So you can rapid fire them (with a spirit discount, and from the same side).
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Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2013, 10:53:44 PM
Ichirin was probably the character I was least excited about going in, but after finishing her story mode I love her. Going to have to experiment with her some more. And her win poses are great.
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Post by: zferolie on May 30, 2013, 10:54:17 PM
It's if her projectile gets hit, not herself. For example, if you summon the flying umbrella. Sometimes it's the same thing though, if she's holding it. Also, she can't do her Heavy Melee attacks without leaves either.
Actually the boat does interact with the dishes. If there's a dish behind you, you can re-input the command to make Futo jump off her boat and land on a dish, which turns into another boat. So you can rapid fire them (with a spirit discount, and from the same side).

REALLY? Oh now that is cool. I need to try that
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 30, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
Actually the boat does interact with the dishes. If there's a dish behind you, you can re-input the command to make Futo jump off her boat and land on a dish, which turns into another boat. So you can rapid fire them (with a spirit discount, and from the same side).
That I'll have to experiment with when I get a chance.  :3
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Post by: Ikari on May 30, 2013, 11:16:47 PM
Actually the boat does interact with the dishes. If there's a dish behind you, you can re-input the command to make Futo jump off her boat and land on a dish, which turns into another boat. So you can rapid fire them (with a spirit discount, and from the same side).

Spamming boats has to be the most amazing thing this game can offer.

Seriously it's hilarious.
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Post by: Aqua Soo on May 30, 2013, 11:44:38 PM
With no Kasen (yet  :3), looks like I will probably indulge my attention on Nitori. Anyone know if it is possible to recharge her ammo level at all? Nitori with 0 ammo is extremely weak lol.

Nitori with ammo, on the other hand, is powerful enough to deserve the ammo limit IMHO. All her special moves are incredibly good.
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Post by: Sagus on May 30, 2013, 11:52:02 PM
You can't replenish her ammo at all.

It resets between rounds, though.
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Post by: Zork787 on May 31, 2013, 12:01:41 AM
With no Kasen (yet  :3), looks like I will probably indulge my attention on Nitori. Anyone know if it is possible to recharge her ammo level at all? Nitori with 0 ammo is extremely weak lol.

Nitori with ammo, on the other hand, is powerful enough to deserve the ammo limit IMHO. All her special moves are incredibly good.

it recharges when the round changes.

Also I don't know weather its Mamizou's timing's that are bugged or the comboing system is, but I was trying to perform 5AA 2A Animal Lute Priest:Frog 5AA 2A 5Y 5AAA Transformation "Bunbuku Hot Soup Bathtub" for nearly ten minutes before it actually worked successfully,  but during every other attempt during the ten minutes I tried, the combo would either whiff for no reason, reset or Mamizou wouldn't transition correctly and do the completely wrong move, the combo resetting was especially bad when doing 5Y 5AAA, sometimes it worked, but most of the time the combo reset despite the 5AAA actually hitting and it seem's to be related to when you hit A after Y and if you don't hit it PERFECTLY, the combo resets which is kinda bad and makes comboing with Mamizou less than great :/
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Post by: Genso on May 31, 2013, 12:18:25 AM
It's pretty hard to play with no spellcards or skills at all. Only found 2 100% stun combos, 1 of them purely positional and therefore useless.

http://www.mediafire.com/?82cngjuj2s13de3

EDIT: Forgot to mention, playing with Kokoro.
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Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 02:59:41 AM
Can anyone identify any of the creatures in Mamizou's attacks, particularly her Last Word? The only one I can figure out for sure is Saigyou Ayakashi. I don't know my Japanese monsters that well.
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Post by: Kingault on May 31, 2013, 03:16:02 AM
Can anyone identify any of the creatures in Mamizou's attacks, particularly her Last Word? The only one I can figure out for sure is Saigyou Ayakashi. I don't know my Japanese monsters that well.

The giant stone wall thing reminds me of Blockhead from Okami... Similar origins?

One of them's an umbrella... maybe a tool youkai like Kogasa or a tanuki disguised as one...
There's also a bucket... Kisume's that spices I think.
Of course, I don't remember the spellings of the names for the species.
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Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 03:22:59 AM
Is the big red guy with the horns and spike bat supposed to be an Oni, or some kind of ogre?

The wheel with the face looks like those face wheels from Castlevania, although it could also just be a Tsukumogami of a wheel. Actually, the wheels from Castlevania might be as well for all I know.

The ghost with the blue hair looks like it might be a Yuki-Onna.

Is the skull a particular creature, or just a skull?
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 03:25:00 AM
But even if they get hit from far, they won't get pulled in close enough for the damaging part. But how good is it for okizeme or wake up set ups?

It depends on the distance they are. The best way to use it is to block the opponent against a corner and use it when they can't run away from the back.
I don't think it would work for okiseme though, since there is a small delay after you do it and the opponent has time to attack you or run away before you cast the spell.

But anyway, the gameplay system makes it so hard to get 100% popularity that you'll have almost no chance to place it in pvp, so I'm not even trying to learn how to use them optimally since I'll probably never use it. Sadly.


Can anyone identify any of the creatures in Mamizou's attacks, particularly her Last Word? The only one I can figure out for sure is Saigyou Ayakashi. I don't know my Japanese monsters that well.


Sure, I personally recognized some Karakasa, Chouchinobake, Tsurube-otoshi and Nurikabe, maybe I'm forgetting some.
In her last word, she only use her tanuki minions who used a henge no jutsu to take her form and attack at the same time like a "kage-bunshin-no-jutsu-like" technique.
For he spellcards, the one with the kettle is a reference to the Bunbuku Chagama myth.
The spell with the big gate, I never had time to identify every youkai since I didn't used the spell a lot and it's quite fast, but I recognized some onis, the famous youkai Oiwa, and many others... (if someone takes a screenshot of the spell, I could identify more, since I love all the japanese folklore and mythology and read a lot of things about it.)
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Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 03:28:16 AM
Sure, I personally recognized some Karakasa, Chouchinobake, Tsurube-otoshi and Nurikabe, maybe I'm forgetting some.
In her last word, she only use her tanuki minions who used a henge no jutsu to take her form and attack at the same time like a "kage-bunshin-no-jutsu-like" technique.
For he spellcards, the one with the kettle is a reference to the Bunbuku Chagama myth.
The spell with the big gate, I never had time to identify every youkai since I didn't used the spell a lot and it's quite fast, but I recognized some onis, the famous youkai Oiwa, and many others... (if someone takes a screenshot of the spell, I could identify more, since I love all the japanese folklore and mythology and read a lot of things about it.)

From just a quick test of her it looks like the monsters in her Last Word aren't the same every time, so it would probably take several screenshots. Probably be easier just to download her sprites from here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14812.msg979770.html#msg979770).
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 03:32:02 AM
From just a quick test of her it looks like the monsters in her Last Word aren't the same every time, so it would probably take several screenshots. Probably be easier just to download her sprites from here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14812.msg979770.html#msg979770).

I think you're mistaking it, her last word is exactly as I described it and never change.
You're talking about the gate spellcard that is not a Last Word  :] .

By the way, you're welcome....  ⌐_⌐?
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Post by: Clarste on May 31, 2013, 03:36:00 AM
Can anyone identify any of the creatures in Mamizou's attacks, particularly her Last Word? The only one I can figure out for sure is Saigyou Ayakashi. I don't know my Japanese monsters that well.
The imagery of all her youkai is done vaguely in the style of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazu_Hyakki_Yagy%C5%8D), which is the famous "Night Parade of a Hundred Demons" picture scroll which the spellcard is based on (also played a part in her chapters of Forbidden Scrollery). You might want to browse through there for some of them.
The giant stone wall thing reminds me of Blockhead from Okami... Similar origins?
Yeah, it's the same thing, a nurikabe.
Is the big red guy with the horns and spike bat supposed to be an Oni, or some kind of ogre?

The wheel with the face looks like those face wheels from Castlevania, although it could also just be a Tsukumogami of a wheel. Actually, the wheels from Castlevania might be as well for all I know.
Spiked metal bats are traditional oni weapons. The flaming wheel is another classic youkai but I can't remember the name.
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Post by: AJS on May 31, 2013, 03:41:48 AM
(if someone takes a screenshot of the spell, I could identify more, since I love all the japanese folklore and mythology and read a lot of things about it.)
Even better:
http://i44.tinypic.com/34t635t.jpg
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Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 03:45:13 AM
I think you're mistaking it, her last word is exactly as I described it and never change.
You're talking about the gate spellcard that is not a Last Word  :] .

By the way, you're welcome....  ⌐_⌐?

Oh, fair enough. I did get them confused.

Even better:
http://i44.tinypic.com/34t635t.jpg

That is better!
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 04:11:36 AM
It would be even better with a small thanks  :)  (spending time to answer to someone without getting any feedback is not very motivating ◠‿◠")
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Post by: N-Forza on May 31, 2013, 05:57:55 AM
However, putting a system to try to forcibly punish bad play isn't a good fighting game design.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahadhjklansrlfnalwmedmkd
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Post by: Sagus on May 31, 2013, 06:32:09 AM
The flaming wheel is another classic youkai but I can't remember the name.
It's a wanyūdō (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wany%C5%ABd%C5%8D).
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Post by: Formless God on May 31, 2013, 06:33:11 AM
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forcibly punish
what does this mean
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Post by: Starxsword on May 31, 2013, 07:17:36 AM
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Well, it's actually not exactly true, it's very dangerous to be aggressive in this popularity system too.
Players who are only defending will lose their popularity, that's a good thing and it's quite logical.
But aggressive players who aren't attacking wisely or strategically will lose even more popularity and give some to the opponent. (that makes sense too)

I can't say for sure myself, since I haven't played it yet. But I figure this in addition to being able to declare spell cards when you are behind allows for more risk taking.

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Oh so they can bother to change the date on the newspaper but not switch out background characters. Jeeze.

I don't believe anyone ever said this. It is just commonly believed that they won't. This is mainly based on observation not that it is actually true.
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 07:56:56 AM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahadhjklansrlfnalwmedmkd

I laughed at this reaction more than I should have  :D

Even better:
http://i44.tinypic.com/34t635t.jpg

I identified 15-17 on the 21 youkai if it interests anyone.

I can't say for sure myself, since I haven't played it yet. But I figure this in addition to being able to declare spell cards when you are behind allows for more risk taking.


I didn't understand what you tried to say?



By the way, does anyone have a replay of a game where they manage to get 100% popularity during a match? Still no one?
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Post by: game2011 on May 31, 2013, 08:17:52 AM
It's a wanyūdō (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wany%C5%ABd%C5%8D).
Makes me wonder if Ichirin's species is supposed to be that one, since there are reference to wheels in her last name and title, not to mention the fact that she wields rings (shaped like wheels)...
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Post by: Clarste on May 31, 2013, 08:32:53 AM
By the way, does anyone have a replay of a game where they manage to get 100% popularity during a match? Still no one?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20991653

Found this on Nicovideo. It's not me and it's not a replay, but it shows two matches where people get to 100%.

Edit: Oops, forgot the actual link.
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Post by: Stuffman on May 31, 2013, 08:44:09 AM
Makes me wonder if Ichirin's species is supposed to be that one, since there are reference to wheels in her last name and title, not to mention the fact that she wields rings (shaped like wheels)...

The wheel is the symbol of Buddhism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra).
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
Makes me wonder if Ichirin's species is supposed to be that one, since there are reference to wheels in her last name and title, not to mention the fact that she wields rings (shaped like wheels)...

Yes, there is actually a relation, even if nothing is officially indicated.
Some people are saying she's a wanyuudou (I think she's more a katawa guruma). Her name contain the kanji "wa" that can mean ring or wheel, so there is indeed a relation.

Even Unzan is a Nyuudou, so we can assume they are finally quite similar and that's why they stay together.


But there is probably no relation with the Buddhism like Stuffman said, since she's a youkai.
But she was a close friend of Byakuren before she died and became a youkai, and Byakuren was clearly a buddhist, even if it's not officially indicated, so, maybe there is a relation. I'd be curious to hear different point of view about the question!


http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20991653

Found this on Nicovideo. It's not me and it's not a replay, but it shows two matches where people get to 100%.

Edit: Oops, forgot the actual link.


Thank you, friend! I'll analyze it as soon as I can! ◕‿‿◕
If anyone actually manage to find a replay of a 100% popularity, I'll be still interested!
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Post by: Starxsword on May 31, 2013, 09:31:17 AM
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I didn't understand what you tried to say?

What I mean is you can afford to take more risks. This is because if you do get punished for taking risks, you can use spell cards to come back. But this is hypothetical, because I am not quite sure of the mechanics.
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 09:42:50 AM
Well, anyway, declaring a spellcard and using it, even if it fails, will grant you some popularity bonus every time.
Also, it will stop the timer between the time you declared the spell and that you use it. So you can use it to "gain some additional time" to try to kill your opponent or get back the popularity you need to win the round before the timer runs out.

So, even if you can't really use some "surprising effect" when you cast a spell, there are a lot of other advantages you can earn from simply casting it. (even by putting a psychological pressure on your opponent, forcing him to play more defensively and using this time to lower his popularity and raise yours)
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Post by: Shizzo on May 31, 2013, 10:07:16 AM
Just remember that if your spellcard timer ends without actually using it you may lose popularity from it. 

I've a lot of matches against friends where I reached 100% popularity, it's pretty easy if you have an aggressive playstyle or counterhit people a lot.  I also noticed popularity seems to decrease less the more you have, so if you've around 80%ish you just need to keep fighting normally and soon enough you'll reach 100%.
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Post by: Captain Vulcan on May 31, 2013, 10:11:20 AM
Oh wow. Maybe it's just me, but I think Ichirin has a sorta 'rage' mechanic going on. Similar to Samurai Spirits and the recent Tekken games.

Because once that symbol on the bottom of the screen catches fire, Ichirin & Unzan's damage output increases a bit. Of course, I could be wrong...
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 10:23:56 AM
Just remember that if your spellcard timer ends without actually using it you may lose popularity from it. 

I've a lot of matches against friends where I reached 100% popularity, it's pretty easy if you have an aggressive playstyle or counterhit people a lot.  I also noticed popularity seems to decrease less the more you have, so if you've around 80%ish you just need to keep fighting normally and soon enough you'll reach 100%.

I wonder if I have a different version of the game or if I simply bug. Personally, when I use a spellcard, I only win 5-10% max in popularity...
Also, sometimes I lose a lot of popularity without doing anything wrong, this gets sometimes kinda confusing.
And that's why I NEVER reached 100%, just about like 80-90% when I was damn lucky, but I still wonder why they made the way to the 100% so hard to get...



Oh wow. Maybe it's just me, but I think Ichirin has a sorta 'rage' mechanic going on. Similar to Samurai Spirits and the recent Tekken games.

Because once that symbol on the bottom of the screen catches fire, Ichirin & Unzan's damage output increases a bit. Of course, I could be wrong...


↓  ↓  ↓  ↓

Ichirin: If she gets hit enough times, she will go into rage mode.


For precise effects of the said rage mode , I didn't paid attention enough to clearly analyze what's actually changing, but there is a lot of chances that her damages increase, indeed.
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Post by: Clarste on May 31, 2013, 10:38:15 AM
I wonder if I have a different version of the game or if I simply bug. Personally, when I use a spellcard, I only win 5-10% max in popularity...
Also, sometimes I lose a lot of popularity without doing anything wrong, this gets sometimes kinda confusing.
And that's why I NEVER reached 100%, just about like 80-90% when I was damn lucky, but I still wonder why they made the way to the 100% so hard to get...
Because of the way it adds things up, your popularity growth increases after a certain point in the match. At the start, both players have empty popularity meters. Every time you gain popularity, it adds blue meter, but when you lose popularity it doesn't take away blue: it adds red. So every you get countered or whatever the meter still fills up. That may not seem like a good thing, but once the meter is completely full, blue starts overwriting red, which essentially means you get popularity twice as fast. You also lose it twice as fast, but things like spellcard declarations and whatnot add blue without adding red to the enemy, so mathematically speaking the total goes up overall. It's likely to stay moderately low for a while and then suddenly spike.

IE: If all you're concerned about is reaching 100%, you should ignore the red bar and focus on the blue. You might be at 0% but still halfway to 100%.
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Post by: Rizado on May 31, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
Can someone please translate new message on the Tasofro blog (http://www.tasofro.net/cgi-bin/tasoblo/index.html)? Google Translate says something about new character in the next patch (Kokoro, I assume), but I'm not sure.
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Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 10:50:43 AM
Because of the way it adds things up, your popularity growth increases after a certain point in the match. At the start, both players have empty popularity meters. Every time you gain popularity, it adds blue meter, but when you lose popularity it doesn't take away blue: it adds red. So every you get countered or whatever the meter still fills up. That may not seem like a good thing, but once the meter is completely full, blue starts overwriting red, which essentially means you get popularity twice as fast. You also lose it twice as fast, but things like spellcard declarations and whatnot add blue without adding red to the enemy, so mathematically speaking the total goes up overall. It's likely to stay moderately low for a while and then suddenly spike.

IE: If all you're concerned about is reaching 100%, you should ignore the red bar and focus on the blue. You might be at 0% but still halfway to 100%.


Ohoho, now that was really an interesting thing I just read!
I never noticed the soustraction/addition system between the "no" and the "yes" bar, after the "none of the two" disappeared.

Lot of things are starting to make sense, now (that was actually pretty logical and obvious).
I'll try to keep an eye at this the next time I'm playing.

Anyway, thank you for your precision, pal ( ̄ー ̄) I owe you one.



Can someone please translate new message on the Tasofro blog (http://www.tasofro.net/cgi-bin/tasoblo/index.html)? Google Translate says something about new character in the next patch (Kokoro, I assume), but I'm not sure.

They don't really say interesting things, actually.
I didn't learned anything valuable except that they'll make later patches to correct HP distribution and some character bugs. They don't even say when they'll do it or talk about Kokoro ╥︵╥.
The only time they talk about her is when they talked about a "certain playable character" that has become a hot topic at many places, but without giving any precisions ( ?︿? ).

If I'm making any mistake, please correct me!
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Post by: Rizado on May 31, 2013, 11:44:07 AM
Also, if someone is interested, here (http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5syf1a4bm14e69/replays.rar) my Reimu's and Marisa's Story Lunatic 1cc (Marisa hasn't lost even a life). Spellcards abuse. Also my Futo replay with 80 plates.
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Post by: monhan on May 31, 2013, 11:46:07 AM
Can someone please translate new message on the Tasofro blog (http://www.tasofro.net/cgi-bin/tasoblo/index.html)? Google Translate says something about new character in the next patch (Kokoro, I assume), but I'm not sure.
It is. They also mention that they'll try to fix some of the remaining bugs but they can't give the exact date yet. Better unlock and finish Kokoro's story fast.
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Post by: ToyoRai on May 31, 2013, 12:57:10 PM
Makes me wonder if Ichirin's species is supposed to be that one, since there are reference to wheels in her last name and title, not to mention the fact that she wields rings (shaped like wheels)...
I honestly think Ichirin is what I like to call "generic youkai". Pretty much, an youkia which osn't classified as anything than just youkai (Like Rumia or Meiling).
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Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on May 31, 2013, 01:10:09 PM
Even better:
http://i44.tinypic.com/34t635t.jpg

It's hilarious how most of them are tanukis disguised. :V
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Post by: game2011 on May 31, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
I finally figured out how to use Last Words!  I realized earlier while playing this game that the skill buttons refer to the D and C buttons on the keyboard!

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 31, 2013, 01:34:28 PM
It's hilarious how most of them are tanukis disguised. :V

I thought all of them are supposed to be tanuki's in disguse. I just assumed they forgot to put tails on some
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Ikari on May 31, 2013, 01:37:06 PM
Any idea what the item-card Miko-sword-plank-thing does...? It's the only item I can't figure out.

While browsing the wiki, I saw this though.

Quote from: Koishi's Hat
Wear it and you start to feel like a youkai
your faith quickly leaves you,
as the wind blows, as opinions turn,
If today is fun, that's all that matters.

That is absolutely adorable.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: game2011 on May 31, 2013, 01:40:57 PM
Also, thanks to all those who clarified to me the truth about Ichirin's species and the wheels in her name and title!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 31, 2013, 01:43:01 PM
Any idea what the item-card Miko-sword-plank-thing does...? It's the only item I can't figure out.

While browsing the wiki, I saw this though.

That is absolutely adorable.
Activate it and hold the button down to keep raising your popularity. It rise very slowly so I don't recommend using it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 31, 2013, 01:44:18 PM
Activate it and hold the button down to keep raising your popularity. It rise very slowly so I don't recommend using it.

And it goes down if you release it iirc.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 02:18:28 PM
It would be even better with a small thanks  :)  (spending time to answer to someone without getting any feedback is not very motivating ◠‿◠")

I'm sorry. Wasn't trying to be rude, just didn't realize we were done.

On another note, I tried to set up a second controller last night and could not figure out how to do it. I think it may just be a translation issue, I'm sure it's something small that I would be able to figure out if the menus were translated, but as it is I could occasionally get both players at least partial menu control but never got to a point where both players could actually control their characters during a match. At one point I think I had player one with a controller and player two with the keyboard, but now even that doesn't work. Has anyone gotten this working yet?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 31, 2013, 04:07:32 PM
On another note, I tried to set up a second controller last night and could not figure out how to do it. I think it may just be a translation issue, I'm sure it's something small that I would be able to figure out if the menus were translated, but as it is I could occasionally get both players at least partial menu control but never got to a point where both players could actually control their characters during a match. At one point I think I had player one with a controller and player two with the keyboard, but now even that doesn't work. Has anyone gotten this working yet?
In the character select screen, just move the second controller so that it'll show gamepad 1 beside the 2P's profile. Then just change the config as usual. After the 1P finished selecting the character, don't press anything or it'll recognize the gamepad as the second player(indicated by the gamepad 0 beside 2P's profile).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 31, 2013, 04:10:51 PM
they talked about a "certain playable character" that has become a hot topic at many places, but without giving any precisions ( ?︿? ).
   
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Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: game2011 on May 31, 2013, 04:12:14 PM
Kokoro's ending looks like the canon ending to me.  It seems to be the happiest-looking ending, and the fact that her ending has about five pictures instead of the usual two (I think) for everyone else .  The staff roll is different as well, what with showing all the playable characters and using the title theme instead of the usual theme.  Plus, her final battle is more epic and has a more "final boss-like" feeling to it.  The music also fits better.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on May 31, 2013, 04:29:05 PM
Kokoro's ending looks like the canon ending to me.  It seems to be the happiest-looking ending, and the fact that her ending has about five pictures instead of the usual two for everyone else (I think).  The staff roll is different as well, what with showing all the playable characters and using the title theme instead of the usual theme.  Plus, her final battle is more epic and has a more "final boss-like" feeling to it.  The music also fits better.
Looking at the dialogue, I think the story goes like "Everyone else>Mamizou>Kokoro". What I mean is that "Everyone else" is when okoro is rampaging around, "Mamizou" is aftermatch of Kokoro's rampage and "Kokoro" is her trying to end the war she caused.
Also, Cirno appears in Byakuren's ending. She is trying to become the strongest through religion!
Also, Kokoro's story in nutshell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kPSHtLHOww
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tiamat on May 31, 2013, 04:41:24 PM
Yea, it's kinda similar to Scarlet Weather Rhapsody in that every storyline happened, as far as anyone can tell, with the midboss being the 2nd last and the boss's storyline being the last to occur.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on May 31, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
Also, Cirno appears in Byakuren's ending. She is trying to become the strongest through religion!
Oh my god that is awesome.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 05:12:37 PM
In the character select screen, just move the second controller so that it'll show gamepad 1 beside the 2P's profile. Then just change the config as usual. After the 1P finished selecting the character, don't press anything or it'll recognize the gamepad as the second player(indicated by the gamepad 2 beside 2P's profile).

Not sure I totally follow you, but I'll see what I can do. What do you mean "move the second controller"? How do I do that?

Edit: Okay, I got it back to keyboard and one controller, so I'm using Xpadder as a workaround for now. I'm bad at this... Now to see if I can rope someone into playing with me.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on May 31, 2013, 05:43:42 PM
Not sure I totally follow you, but I'll see what I can do. What do you mean "move the second controller"? How do I do that?
Sorry, let me rephrase that. In short, after the first player chose the character, press any button with the second controller(up or down, this is what I meant by moving it). If the game recognizes it, it should show gamepad 1 beside 2P's profile, after that is just like usual.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 06:02:47 PM
Sorry, let me rephrase that. In short, after the first player chose the character, press any button with the second controller(up or down, this is what I meant by moving it). If the game recognizes it, it should show gamepad 1 beside 2P's profile, after that is just like usual.

Oh, interesting. Didn't realize it worked like that. Thank you.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on May 31, 2013, 06:40:04 PM
Okay I'm really liking Koishi even more now that I finally got some matches in with real players. Her unpredictability does really help out :V

Question, if I don't have Mamizou (since I haven't really touched story mode yet) will that affect if the opponent can use her?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 06:48:09 PM
Okay I'm really liking Koishi even more now that I finally got some matches in with real players. Her unpredictability does really help out :V

Question, if I don't have Mamizou (since I haven't really touched story mode yet) will that affect if the opponent can use her?

No, it won't. Her data is still in the game, it's just locked to your use. Opponents will be unaffected.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 08:24:38 PM
@commandercool

If you wanted to know the youkai species Mamizou was "using", here are those who I recognized:

Karakasa (the umbrella), Chouchinobake (the paper lanterns), Tsurube-otoshi (the hanged-one), Nurikabe (the wall-shaped one), Wanyuudou (the burning head stuck in a wheel),  Onryou (or Yuurei) (the ghost-shaped one, looking like a woman or banshee), Oiwa (not a specie but a single famous youkai that was actually a chouchinobake), Keukegen (the little fluffy one), Mekurabe (the skull), Hitotsume-kozou [or a Yamawarawa] (the one-eyed one), Gaki (the one with the inflated belly), Uwan (the 2nd on the bottom row), Hihi (the gorilla-shaped one), Biwa bokuboku (the one with the lute), and Onis (the ones with maces)
(they also added a small walking version of the Saigyou Ayakashi)

Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but the "neon bunnies" were inspired from there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0gC-tX9nk0Y#t=191s


and for the fun story, if you look a little before in the level,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gC-tX9nk0Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s ,
 you'll recognize a lot of things, like the eientei, the bamboo forest, the level happening on the moon (since you can see the earth), the boss, her bunny-ears, the bullets the main character is shooting, the little bunny-minions in the level ( you'll probably remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJbUjz0e34s&feature=player_detailpage#t=795s ), or even the music that has inspired the beginning of stage 5 OST in Imperishable Night  :D .




Question, if I don't have Mamizou (since I haven't really touched story mode yet) will that affect if the opponent can use her?

Yes it will, if you don't have Mamizou or Kokoro (I managed to unlock Kokoro too in every game mod, even if she still doesn't have any skills or spells), if your friend unlocked them, he won't be able to use them against you.

To use one of the two secret characters, both players need to have them unlocked. And this is really frustrating, because I know a lot of people who haven't unlocked them ( ?︿? ) (but fortunately, I sent my savegame to most of them in order to select the characters)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on May 31, 2013, 08:36:58 PM
What is the youkai between the onryou and the oni? Is it just another oni with blue skin and shinai on his back?

On site note, the one carrying the lute might be biwa-bokuboku (well, the lute itself as both the lute and the guy carrying it has its own tails).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 08:43:12 PM
@commandercool

If you wanted to know the youkai species Mamizou was "using", here are those who I recognized:

Karakasa (the umbrella), Chouchinobake (the paper lanterns), Tsurube-otoshi (the hanged-one), Nurikabe (the wall-shaped one), Wanyuudou (the burning head stuck in a wheel),  Onryou (or Yuurei) (the ghost-shaped ones, looking like women or banshees), Oiwa (not a specie but a single famous youkai that was actually a chouchinobake), Keukegen (the little fluffy one), Mekurabe (the skull), Hitotsume-kozou (the one-eyed one), Gaki (the one with the inflated belly), Uwan (the 2nd on the bottom row), Hihi (the gorilla-shaped one), Biwa bokuboku (the one with the lute)

Cool, thank you. Japanese monsters are cool. Kind of disappointed not to see the big skeleton. Big skeleton is like the best monster ever.

According to Wikipedia the Wanyuudou is also a unique youkai, not a species?

Anyway, interesting stuff.




Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but the "neon bunnies" were inspired from there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0gC-tX9nk0Y#t=191s


and for the fun story, if you look a little before in the level,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gC-tX9nk0Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s ,
 you'll recognize a lot of things, like the eientei, the bamboo forest, the boss, her bunny-ears, the bullets the main character is shooting, the little bunny-minions in the level ( you'll probably remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJbUjz0e34s&feature=player_detailpage#t=795s ), or even the music that has inspired the beginning of stage 5 OST in Imperishable Night  :D .

 :wat:

Weird.

Yes it will, if you don't have Mamizou or Kokoro (I managed to unlock Kokoro too in every game mod, even if she still doesn't have any skills or spells), if your friend unlocked them, he won't be able to use them against you.

To use one of the two secret characters, both players need to have them unlocked. And this is really frustrating, because I know a lot of people who haven't unlocked them ( ?︿? ) (but fortunately, I sent my savegame to most of them in order to select the characters)

Really? What the hell? Why? I apologize for the misinformation then. This is literally the only case of that ever happening in a fighting game I can think of. It's not even usually a problem for DLC characters anymore. What happens if you try to select a character your opponent doesn't have?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 31, 2013, 08:45:11 PM
Hmm... so, Tasoforo is going to make a patch that will probably make Koroko FULLY playable (with her spells and all) and fix the bugs in the game which will mean that this will make things more fun finally. However, there are a few things I'm still wondering about will this mean that probably some balancing will be involved, will tasoforo add some more spell cards, and will there be an arcade mode added along side? I'm just wondering about this since from what I've read (via google translation) it sounds like they're going to make some changes to the game.  :derp:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 08:47:25 PM
What is the youkai between the onryou and the oni? Is it just another oni with blue skin and shinai on his back?

I'm not 100% sure about this one, since he has every feature of an oni, but with a cat visage.
But there is no way it's a bakeneko or a nekomata. I first thought about a kasha (that slightly looks like but has cat ears).
So, if it's not a kasha, it's probably an other oni but differently designed.


What happens if you try to select a character your opponent doesn't have?

Unfortunately, you'll have them locked on your selection screen too, even if you already unlocked them, so you won't even be able to place your cursor on them ( ?︿? ) .
I don't know why they programmed the game like this, maybe that wasn't intentional and they'll fix it on the next updates (even if they didn't talk about it on the japanese newsfeed I just read earlier today)


@MewMewHeart: they actually didn't say anything interesting, they talked about some things without giving any precisions, so we still don't know anything, nor what will actually change, nor when it will.
But I personally don't think they'll add more skill or spell cards, but I'm really looking forward an actual arcade mode.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 09:06:28 PM
If we get a large 12.3-style expansion pack eventually it will probably have a few more spellcards, but I'd be surprised if we saw any more before then. Then again, this game has consistently surprised me at every possible turn, so anything could happen. I don't feel like there's a lack of variety right now though, what with the variable positions and religious alignments making characters very customizable. More wouldn't hurt, but I don't think we need them for any particular reason.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 09:20:34 PM
It would probably end up like this, but that "expansion pack" like you say, would be in a few years, so this is not a today's preoccupation.
(it would also contain characters from Touhou 14 (that'll be released meanwhile), I'm almost totally sure about that.)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on May 31, 2013, 09:31:51 PM
It would probably end up like this, but that "expansion pack" like you say, would be in a few years, so this is not a today's preoccupation.
(it would also contain characters from Touhou 14 (that'll be released meanwhile), I'm almost totally sure about that.)

Kasen for fighting game character 2015!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Amraphenson on May 31, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
Okay I'm really liking Koishi even more now that I finally got some matches in with real players. Her unpredictability does really help out :V

Question, if I don't have Mamizou (since I haven't really touched story mode yet) will that affect if the opponent can use her?

you didn't deserve that win and you know it. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on May 31, 2013, 09:35:58 PM
Kasen for fighting game character 2015!
I would love so much to see her, you can't even imagine.
(or a coming-back of Konngara, even if this is most likely won't happen)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Fumi on May 31, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
I have been playing all week and practicing agaisnt Lunatic CPUs, I main Reimu and Miko and usually use Mamizou and Koishi.

Just happened to me but I think it's possible to get 100% in a match. At least in a 3 rounds match, have been gathering like around 60% in all my matches between the first two rounds but I let the opponent get a KO so we can have a third round. That's where I can achieve 100% and do a Last Word.

I have some replays but I think it's harder to do to a CPU because they don't use skills or that's what I think.
I don't know if some of you have got 100% in a 2-round match?

Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IejvOyjuOfg quality combos

Btw I'm new here posting but been stalking this thread since the previous one :v
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on May 31, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IejvOyjuOfg quality combos
this is what i did to beat her story mode
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on May 31, 2013, 10:57:42 PM
I just realized why Koishi's eyes look weird. It's because she has the
mask of hope.
Aside from Koishi outright stating that she has it, Mamizou says that
"it's different from the humans in the village who can't feel anything. You do seem to be overflowing somehow with hope..."
Not even Reimu or Marisa or Byakuren or even Miko (whose goal was to become hope itself for the human village) have eyes like that. Hope is always displayed as this bright color, Koishi even says that the mask is "The pure white face of a child. Looked kinda like a Jizo statue..."

It's a far-fetched theory, but it's the only way I can think of to explain Koishi's weird eyes aside "It's just Koishi being creepy"
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: EthanSilver on May 31, 2013, 11:07:39 PM
Speaking of creepy eyes...

(http://s23.postimg.org/qixrd3ao9/psychomarisa.png)

Wtf is up with Marisa's wide-eyed psychotic stare when doing her dash-B? Poor girl looks like she ate one too many of her mushrooms before starting the fight...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 01, 2013, 12:51:40 AM
I just realized why Koishi's eyes look weird. It's because she has the
mask of hope.
Aside from Koishi outright stating that she has it, Mamizou says that
"it's different from the humans in the village who can't feel anything. You do seem to be overflowing somehow with hope..."
Not even Reimu or Marisa or Byakuren or even Miko (whose goal was to become hope itself for the human village) have eyes like that. Hope is always displayed as this bright color, Koishi even says that the mask is "The pure white face of a child. Looked kinda like a Jizo statue..."

It's a far-fetched theory, but it's the only way I can think of to explain Koishi's weird eyes aside "It's just Koishi being creepy"
Pretty sure she's just creepy. I mean, her Last Word is basically staring into her eyes until the opponent explodes. Her cheerful dialog while discussing horrifying aspects of herself (like being unable to control her own body or feel any emotions) reaffirms her creepiness.

Looking at the dialogue, I think the story goes like "Everyone else>Mamizou>Kokoro". What I mean is that "Everyone else" is when okoro is rampaging around, "Mamizou" is aftermatch of Kokoro's rampage and "Kokoro" is her trying to end the war she caused.
Also, Cirno appears in Byakuren's ending. She is trying to become the strongest through religion!
Also, Kokoro's story in nutshell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kPSHtLHOww
Indeed. Most people's endings are about them dealing with Kokoro in some way, Mamizou's story is about her noticing that Kokoro is doing all these different contradictory things from other people's endings but still doesn't seem to be fully fixed, and Kokoro's story is her
following Mamizou's advice from Mamizou's ending.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 01, 2013, 01:22:00 AM
you didn't deserve that win and you know it. :V
the game just knew that Koishi is best waifu :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 01, 2013, 02:58:40 AM
Koishi's skill where she launches detonating roses in every direction that blossom after a time period?
You can detonate them early by dashing through them.
what the hell this isn't philosophy of a hated person
:o
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 01, 2013, 03:28:07 AM
Anyways, I know there's an IRC channel for matches, but if anyone wanna get a few matches with my Koishi just let me know and we'll fight on Hamachi since it's the only way to connect atm
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 01, 2013, 03:37:20 AM
Anyways, I know there's an IRC channel for matches, but if anyone wanna get a few matches with my Koishi just let me know and we'll fight on Hamachi since it's the only way to connect atm
I would love to, but what's the difference with Hamachi?
Do I have to set up something else first?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kosachi on June 01, 2013, 03:44:35 AM
I would love to, but what's the difference with Hamachi?
Do I have to set up something else first?
Just go check out this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfr8PoJ3mOQ), it explains everything very clearly and also tells you how to host and whatnot.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on June 01, 2013, 03:46:33 AM
Isn't it fine to just do it the normal way? With the consideration the person hosting has to have a forwarded port.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Amraphenson on June 01, 2013, 03:56:24 AM
Some people can't forward ports.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 01, 2013, 04:13:07 AM
Some people can't forward ports.
Well, I can do that
Mine : 139.194.240.49:10800
I'll host it now.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 01, 2013, 04:17:09 AM
Also, I haven't read the endings due to the fact that they aren't translated yet but

Based on what I read on the wiki,
does Koishi keep the Mask of Hope? If that's the case she literally gained character development, as now she has an emotion AND can now remember things apparently :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tiamat on June 01, 2013, 04:25:26 AM
Also, I haven't read the endings due to the fact that they aren't translated yet but

Based on what I read on the wiki, does Koishi keep the Mask of Hope? If that's the case she literally gained character development, as now she has an emotion AND can now remember things apparently :V

Yea, she still has it by the end and holds onto it at the end of her ending. Kokoro in her storyline, which is a continuation of Koishi's ending as it has the exact same dialogue as Koishi's ending, doesn't take it back because she doesn't need it anymore, apparently.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ToyoRai on June 01, 2013, 04:33:46 AM
Based on what I read on the wiki,
does Koishi keep the Mask of Hope? If that's the case she literally gained character development, as now she has an emotion AND can now remember things apparently :V
Yeah, pretty much. Even if you cannot see Koishi's ending, Kokoro's dialogue in her story mode confirms that Koishi kept the old Mask of Hope to herself.

On site note, The Three Fairies of Light appear in Nitori's ending for some odd reason. Thank god that some one decided to screw "no ending spoilers" and uploaded all the endings anyway
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Post by: Fumi on June 01, 2013, 04:35:30 AM
Just 1CC Lunatic Story with Reimu :V

http://www.mediafire.com/download/pueu6iaxbz3cj3m/130531_2329_reimu_story.rep

is it me or the opponents take more damage in story mode?
Also delicious Fantasy Nature

Also more Lunatic replays

Reimu vs. Marisa http://www.mediafire.com/download/6aee64nmr4656rs/130530_1901_reimu_marisa.rep
Miko vs. Reimu http://www.mediafire.com/download/e8mqfr625r72y7d/130530_1916_miko_reimu.rep
Miko vs. Byakuren http://www.mediafire.com/download/xjnmk0rys60kj9s/130530_2020_miko_hijiri.rep
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 01, 2013, 04:36:31 AM
I'm probably one of the few people that actually want to respect ZUN's wishes and keep myself from viewing the endings and translations until a patch comes out or at least until I beat it then read translations on it, but I feel really uneasy that they're currently out there for people to see even if they haven't beaten it yet.

I do it because that ending feels like a reward for me beating it :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 01, 2013, 05:07:18 AM
I'm probably one of the few people that actually want to respect ZUN's wishes and keep myself from viewing the endings and translations until a patch comes out or at least until I beat it then read translations on it, but I feel really uneasy that they're currently out there for people to see even if they haven't beaten it yet.

I do it because that ending feels like a reward for me beating it :V
Well, personally I'm beating it myself and then saving the endings on my computer for translation.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 01, 2013, 05:20:57 AM
Same here. For the fighting game, it isn't really that hard, but for the main games, it's a goddamn achievement.

Say Gpop, care for a match?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Aya Reiko on June 01, 2013, 05:21:39 AM
I'm probably one of the few people that actually want to respect ZUN's wishes and keep myself from viewing the endings and translations until a patch comes out or at least until I beat it then read translations on it, but I feel really uneasy that they're currently out there for people to see even if they haven't beaten it yet.

I do it because that ending feels like a reward for me beating it :V
Personally, I'd prefer the Wiki included the translations since a translation patch could be a long, long time away.  Just keep 'em hidden like a spoiler so anyone who don't want to see them.

Not to mention for other, more standard games, it'd make research and intel gathering easier without having to go through the whole game all over again.  (Assuming that someone can even beat it with its Nintendo Hard requirements in the first place.)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 01, 2013, 05:23:59 AM
Same here. For the fighting game, it isn't really that hard, but for the main games, it's a goddamn achievement.

Say Gpop, care for a match?
Tomorrow, it's late now and I'm still sticking with Hamachi :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 01, 2013, 05:33:56 AM
Tomorrow, it's late now and I'm still sticking with Hamachi :V
What time?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Starxsword on June 01, 2013, 08:29:15 AM
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Not even Reimu or Marisa or Byakuren or even Miko (whose goal was to become hope itself for the human village) have eyes like that.

I think only Miko does that. I don't think the others were trying to do that. But ended up doing something like that.

Quote
It's a far-fetched theory, but it's the only way I can think of to explain Koishi's weird eyes aside "It's just Koishi being creepy"

I think its just Koishi's eyes normally.
The mask of hope did give her emotions, which she had none.

@Gpop and Koishi: Yes, to your spoiler question. This is confirmed in Kokoro's story dialogue vs Koishi.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shin Rokuren on June 01, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
Okay, noob question. How do I know which version I am on? I think I've patched except I'm not sure if it was successful.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kosachi on June 01, 2013, 11:08:42 AM
Okay, noob question. How do I know which version I am on? I think I've patched except I'm not sure if it was successful.
It should be displayed next to the game's name on its window like so... (http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/152/f/c/stuff_by_pa_patchouli-d67dqua.png)
(Yes I know, I'm out of date :P)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shin Rokuren on June 01, 2013, 01:03:23 PM
Thanks! No wonder I haven't seen it. I'm always in full screen mode.

Edit: Derp. Just noticed I can also check while highlighting the icon at the task bar.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on June 01, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
So, is anyone trying to make a timeline for the game? Which story happens when, I mean.

From the dialogue, I'd guess that Futo's story happens after Miko's story, and that,
since the new mask of hope being made is only mentioned in these two stories, and it pretty much denotes the ending of Kokoro's rampages
, Mamizou's story happens after them. And of course, Kokoro's story is the last one, and happens after Mamizou's.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Quwanti on June 01, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
So, is anyone trying to make a timeline for the game? Which story happens when, I mean.

From the dialogue, I'd guess that Futo's story happens after Miko's story, and that,
since the new mask of hope being made is only mentioned in these two stories, and it pretty much denotes the ending of Kokoro's rampages, Mamizou's story happens after them. And of course, Kokoro's story is the last one, and happens after Mamizou's.[/spoilers]
I guess each story follows eachother up according to the time they become playable in the story mode.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 01, 2013, 09:01:35 PM
Are item cards only one use? Because I only seem to be able to use Marisa's Broom one per round

Also it seem that when Mamizou beats people she doesn't tear up their clothes :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: 7TC7 on June 01, 2013, 09:05:55 PM
Are item cards only one use? Because I only seem to be able to use Marisa's Broom one per round

Also it seem that when Mamizou beats people she doesn't tear up their clothes :V

http://shinkirou.koumakan.jp/wiki/Items (http://shinkirou.koumakan.jp/wiki/Items)

The broom is special in this regard.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 01, 2013, 09:31:08 PM
8 broom deck meta :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 01, 2013, 09:53:46 PM
8 broom deck meta :V
Oh god it's like your Meiling deck with all those cancels
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PhantomSong on June 01, 2013, 10:30:24 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1df66f5d94b820a2080100b8772f6952/tumblr_mnl3lgpBGi1st17kso1_250.gif)
Dance Weedle and Orin! DANCE!

EDIT: Some Pokemon fan I am *Wurmple
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 02, 2013, 02:03:59 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1df66f5d94b820a2080100b8772f6952/tumblr_mnl3lgpBGi1st17kso1_250.gif)
Dance Weedle and Orin! DANCE!

That's not Weedle, that's some other chump!

Edit: Wurmple. Apparently that is Wurmple. Got nothin' on Weedle. :derp:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 02, 2013, 02:10:40 AM
That's not Weedle, that's some other chump!

Edit: Wurmple. Apparently that is Wurmple. Got nothin' on Weedle. :derp:
they both suck :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 02, 2013, 02:13:04 AM
That's not Weedle, that's some other chump!

Edit: Wurmple. Apparently that is Wurmple. Got nothin' on Weedle. :derp:
Everybody knows Magikarp is better! ~ :trollface:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PhantomSong on June 02, 2013, 02:29:51 AM
That's not Weedle, that's some other chump!

Edit: Wurmple. Apparently that is Wurmple. Got nothin' on Weedle. :derp:
Wurmple, Weedle, what's the difference?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kosachi on June 02, 2013, 03:04:14 AM
Wurmple, Weedle, what's the difference?
One turns into a beautiful butterfly or an ugly ass moth. The other just turns into an ugly ass moth.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on June 02, 2013, 03:07:07 AM
One turns into a beautiful butterfly or an ugly ass moth. The other just turns into an ugly ass bee.

Fiiiiixed~

All 3 suck though same with Caterpie and it's evo: Butterfree or whatever it was called. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 03:43:48 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1df66f5d94b820a2080100b8772f6952/tumblr_mnl3lgpBGi1st17kso1_250.gif)
Dance Weedle and Orin! DANCE!

EDIT: Some Pokemon fan I am *Wurmple

( ̄ー ̄) Someone just showed me this http://orindancinginplaces.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 02, 2013, 03:53:03 AM
Fiiiiixed~

All 3 suck though same with Caterpie and it's evo: Butterfree or whatever it was called. :V

Poor Weedle... I still love you, Weedle! You may be craptastic, but you sure are cute for a weird bug monster.

( ̄ー ̄) Someone just showed me this http://orindancinginplaces.tumblr.com/

(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/dummy2205/icon_eek.gif)
Sustained.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: N-Forza on June 02, 2013, 03:59:26 AM
If that Johnny Bravo one were synced it would be perfect.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: zferolie on June 02, 2013, 04:00:37 AM
( ̄ー ̄) Someone just showed me this http://orindancinginplaces.tumblr.com/

I freaking love that tumblr blog. it's like one of my favs now.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/85eadd0ca37e11f8a2723ba34a6558d2/tumblr_mnqvrlg43f1st17kso1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 02, 2013, 04:20:49 AM
I approve of dancing Orin!  :D

-brings out the stamp of approval-
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sagus on June 02, 2013, 05:19:14 AM
One turns into a beautiful butterfly or a beautiful moth. The other just turns into a beautiful bee WITH DRILLS FOR ARMS
There, now it's correct.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Genso on June 02, 2013, 06:02:36 AM
Nothing wrong with butterfree, a good pokemon for catching other pokemon in a nuzlocke run. Though not great for anything else.

Also, why is there such a large number of guests all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kosachi on June 02, 2013, 11:12:57 AM
I don't know if anyone else has seen it first but I came across a cool little easter egg (http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/153/f/5/easter_egg_by_pa_patchouli-d67ijlq.png) in the game. After a match, the newspaper that is then displayed on the screen will show today's date. Insignificant, but I thought it was cool!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PhantomSong on June 02, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
( ̄ー ̄) Someone just showed me this http://orindancinginplaces.tumblr.com/
I officially follow this blog!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
I don't know if anyone else has seen it first but I came across a cool little easter egg (http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/153/f/5/easter_egg_by_pa_patchouli-d67ijlq.png) in the game. After a match, the newspaper that is then displayed on the screen will show today's date. Insignificant, but I thought it was cool!

Yeah I personally directly noticed it on the first day, and it must be the same for every other japanophones, I also think several people already talked about it on the topic.
But yeah that's a cool feature, I appreciate it very much, that's nice for the immersion, like if Aya was actually really stalking our fight to take photos and write an article. (if you also noticed, you can see her and Hatate on several maps taking some photos of your fights)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: WHMZakeri on June 02, 2013, 03:02:40 PM
What really breaks the immersion is in vs. mode where if you don't finish a battle by knocking the opponent out, it'll show the picture taken from the previous battle that did.
It was funny the first time I caught it though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 02, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
That does appear to be a bug from a previous version, haven't seen any more of those previous match ups. What is more interesting as Aya is in the background, so a picture for her newspaper is supposed to be inverted.

Tried Nitori, and while she rocks in vs mode, takes some time getting used to in Story mode as you cannot replenish your ammo capacity mid-battle. So it is possible to run out of ammo before hitting the last few spell cards (notable with Kokoro)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 02, 2013, 05:56:21 PM
That does appear to be a bug from a previous version, haven't seen any more of those previous match ups. What is more interesting as Aya is in the background, so a picture for her newspaper is supposed to be inverted.

Tried Nitori, and while she rocks in vs mode, takes some time getting used to in Story mode as you cannot replenish your ammo capacity mid-battle. So it is possible to run out of ammo before hitting the last few spell cards (notable with Kokoro)

Yeah, I main her and still had trouble with Kokoro. Against everyone else I was too conservative with my ammo and ended up with like half of it left, but I ran out at the beginning of Kokoro's second to last card and had to play extremely carefully after that.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 02, 2013, 06:16:48 PM
Did a battle against a Lunatic Byakuren man her AI is terrible. She only does two things during battle.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 02, 2013, 06:19:55 PM
Did a battle against a Lunatic Byakuren man her AI is terrible. She only does two things during battle.
The AI doesn't use their specials. Ever.

They are limited to their A B X Y moves only.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on June 02, 2013, 06:27:40 PM
The AI doesn't use their specials. Ever.

They are limited to their A B X Y moves only.

This is why when I have the time, I want to netplay this, because even Lunatic AI isn't really annoying (Story Mode is different, obviously...).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 06:45:04 PM
The AI doesn't use their specials. Ever.

They are limited to their A B X Y moves only.

I really hope this will get fixed, I'm so bored of retarded AI.
Even in Hisoutensoku, the AI was really stupid, spamming and almost never using cards.

I never imagined that this new AI (since the game is more recent) would be even more stupid and ridiculous. Always spamming the same hit in loop at certain distance, never using any skill though there isn't a lot of different ones.

In addition of not having any Arcade mode, playing the normal game alone (without netplay) is boring...
( ?︿? )
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 02, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
Everytime I find out something new about this game it is slightly more ruined for me.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 02, 2013, 06:52:44 PM
Everytime I find out something new about this game it is slightly more ruined for me.

Welcome to the club, bro.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 02, 2013, 06:57:14 PM
I believe it's just more because of the fact that the AI doesn't know their special decks. They are only coded based on the decks you made for the characters.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 02, 2013, 06:57:44 PM
things good about this game: you can fly everywhere and it feels like what a real "touhou" fighter should

things not good: everything else
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 02, 2013, 06:59:39 PM
things good about this game: you can fly everywhere and it feels like what a real "touhou" fighter should

things not good: everything else

So very, very much this. :V

At least *I* got super-badass Ichirin out of it but that's still not nearly enough for me to look over the other problems.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 02, 2013, 07:06:58 PM
This needs to be fixed or everyone will go back soku if they haven't done so already.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 02, 2013, 07:08:39 PM
oh yeah new deck system is miles better than SWR/Soku's stupid trading card game system

but the new popularity system is unbalanced and stupid as hell
you can be beating the shit out of someone but because they landed the first hit, a few counterhits, and spammed spellcards, they can have way more popularity
most of the time when I check the popularity gauge i'm always thinking wtf how do i have so much/so little popularity this doesn't make any sense

the game would be a lot better if you could turn off the stupid timer and then not have to care about popularity outside of last word shenanigans or if you're Miko
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on June 02, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
I've been trying to forget about the A.I. I've only been doing netplay matches, makes the game way more fun even with the wonky popularity system.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on June 02, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
I'm just wondering, because apparently a lot of people would rather do netplay, maybe we should have a HM IRC channel separate from #sokumaidens.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 02, 2013, 07:26:55 PM
oh yeah new deck system is miles better than SWR/Soku's stupid trading card game system

but the new popularity system is unbalanced and stupid as hell
you can be beating the shit out of someone but because they landed the first hit, a few counterhits, and spammed spellcards, they can have way more popularity
most of the time when I check the popularity gauge i'm always thinking wtf how do i have so much/so little popularity this doesn't make any sense

the game would be a lot better if you could turn off the stupid timer and then not have to care about popularity outside of last word shenanigans or if you're Miko

I agree. But Soku's AI is miles better still they don't use spell cards but atleast soku didn't spam in the same way HM does.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 07:31:30 PM

but the new popularity system is unbalanced and stupid as hell
you can be beating the shit out of someone but because they landed the first hit, a few counterhits, and spammed spellcards, they can have way more popularity


Well, players need to get used to that popularity system and learn how it work, but for your "because they landed the first hit", I agree, 10% and more of the main popularity just on any first single hit, it's a little bit too much.
(Also, in most of the cases, for the firsts seconds of the game is like a jan ken pon if no one runs back from the beginning.)


But as I already said, it would have been much better if the game was making an average of the life % and popularity % to decide the winner. (Or letting us choose the desired time or number of rounds in the options.)

But I still like the game though.

I'm just wondering, because apparently a lot of people would rather do netplay, maybe we should have a HM IRC channel separate from #sokumaidens.

Yes, or another possibility would be to exchange contacts (like skype, messenger, hamachi, etc...) in private messages between people.

I agree. But Soku's AI is miles better still they don't use spell cards but atleast soku didn't spam in the same way HM does.

Indeed, this is totally true, but wouldn't it be pointless to judge a game only on it's AI system since the main benefit of the game is to play with friends? ( ̄ー ̄)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 02, 2013, 07:39:09 PM
the worst part of popularity is the fact that it determines timeout winner and the timeout clock is way too short

so instead of encouraging aggressive playstyle, it encourages pseudo runaway style where once you gain a lead you just run away and spam safe moves or perfect block so that you don't lose popularity

it feels a lot like the old sfxt where once you have a life lead and there's just 10 seconds left the game is just over because you just hold upback to win
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 02, 2013, 07:41:09 PM
well time freezes when you declare, yet it's still too short

SF x T anyone? :V

Also, remember when SWR came out and everyone hated that wanted to go back to IaMP?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 02, 2013, 07:44:31 PM
well time freezes when you declare, yet it's still too short

SF x T anyone? :V

Also, remember when SWR came out and everyone hated that wanted to go back to IaMP?
dont they still hate it and wish it was iamp even now? :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 02, 2013, 07:51:43 PM
dont they still hate it and wish it was iamp even now? :V
Soku+
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 07:54:50 PM
Anyway, even with all the little flaws of the game, it's still a good game and you can really have a lot of fun when playing with friends, and because of the ambiance, it's almost as enjoyable to spectate than actually playing.
It's just a shame the game has been released without being finished at 100%.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 02, 2013, 07:56:02 PM
IMaP is better than SWR UNL and HM. I actually thought HM was going to play like IMaP. I was wrong.


Indeed, this is totally true, but wouldn't it be pointless to judge a game only on it's AI system since the main benefit of the game is to play with friends? ( ̄ー ̄)

I wasn't judging solely on AI, HM has other problems too. But even then a game is a game fighting games are meant to played against friends but alot of times people will play with the CPU and if the AI sucks then it isn't fun anymore.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 02, 2013, 08:00:06 PM
I wasn't judging solely on AI, HM has other problems too. But even then a game is a game fighting games are meant to played against friends but alot of times people will play with the CPU and if the AI sucks then it isn't fun anymore.

Yeaaah, this---when the CPU AI has less combat skill than an ant, it becomes boring when fought for fun and useless when fought for practice.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 08:04:11 PM
Yes I see and I understand. But personally, for the moment, I play more often with friends than with the cpu ( ?‿‿? ) .

But I totally agree, as I just said before, the AI system is so boring, and it's really a shame they made the game so stupid, it's even worse than the Hisoutensoku's AI that was already very dumb even in lunatic mode.
Since HS has been released a few years after, I was expecting at least an average AI...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 02, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
I've barely had time to actually play the game outside of story mode. I was kind of afraid this would happen when the release date was announced, since it was right at the beginning of the busiest part of the summer semester for me, and unfortunately doesn't look like it will be changing any time soon. Hopefully some time over this next week I can fit in at least a little netplay.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 09:17:25 PM
Well, if you (or anyone else) want to give me some contact like skype or hamachi via personnal message, I'd be glad to play with you.
I personally play for fun, not in a hardcore way though, just to spend some nice and fun moments.
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Post by: Genso on June 02, 2013, 09:18:09 PM
Wish I could netplay. Well I CAN play against others, but without a sokuroll for HM, it's just so so bad with the lag I can't enjoy it.
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Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 09:25:55 PM
The lag depends only of your personnal connection.

For example, I play with someone who lives on the opposite side of the earth via hamachi, and we don't have a single lag or a single desync, the game is exactly as fluid as in solo mod.

It really depends on the personnal connection of both players.
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Post by: Starxsword on June 02, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
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What is more interesting as Aya is in the background, so a picture for her newspaper is supposed to be inverted.

She's fast enough to take a picture of herself, so she can go to the otherside, take a picture and go back.

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but the new popularity system is unbalanced and stupid as hell
you can be beating the shit out of someone but because they landed the first hit, a few counterhits, and spammed spellcards, they can have way more popularity

Are you sure you are doing this? If you are aggressive, you would definitely have more popularity. Are you sure you are not just backing off a lot, waiting from far away, then, attacking when it looks safe?

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the worst part of popularity is the fact that it determines timeout winner and the timeout clock is way too short

so instead of encouraging aggressive playstyle, it encourages pseudo runaway style where once you gain a lead you just run away and spam safe moves or perfect block so that you don't lose popularity

Only encourages this if you are playing cowardly. I've looked at some videos and I don't see any video with someone playing aggressively and losing on the popularity edge.
Have you also been using spell cards? Because you should be able to use 2 to 3 spell cards per round.

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well time freezes when you declare, yet it's still too short

The damage the spell cards do are insane. It takes about 40% of your life if you land it. I think you are also invincible when you declare.

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IMaP is better than SWR UNL and HM. I actually thought HM was going to play like IMaP. I was wrong.

I disagree, Scarlet Weather Rhapsody and Hisoutensoku is far better than Immaterial and Missing Power. The story for Immaterial and Missing Power, I like better, but game play, definitely not.
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Post by: Gpop on June 02, 2013, 10:34:10 PM
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The damage the spell cards do are insane. It takes about 40% of your life if you land it. I think you are also invincible when you declare.

I disagree, Scarlet Weather Rhapsody and Hisoutensoku is far better than Immaterial and Missing Power. The story for Immaterial and Missing Power, I like better, but game play, definitely not.
Spell cards only do so much if you hit it raw, which is unlikely unless you counter/bait.

Unfortunately, I, and many people, will disagree. I think IaMP was the best fighter out there. The only problem it had was the big diffficulty/learning curve that separates the pros and casual players of the game. SWR's weather system and luck-based spell cards is still bullshit (typhoon, seriously)
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Post by: Genso on June 02, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
The lag depends only of your personnal connection.

For example, I play with someone who lives on the opposite side of the earth via hamachi, and we don't have a single lag or a single desync, the game is exactly as fluid as in solo mod.

It really depends on the personnal connection of both players.

Yea, It's fine when it's someone within 4 hours away, but beyond that it goes horribly. Can't install hamachi since my antivirus won't let me install it even when it's excluded from checking and put as a trusted program.
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Post by: Savory on June 02, 2013, 10:58:01 PM
I find myself getting screwed over by popularity from time to time.

Mostly  because I don't end up getting the first blow for that big popularity boost (at least not all the time),  and during the fight I'm chock full of red votes even if I'm making a good comeback and end up with more HP than my opponent. This mechanic is going to take a while to get used to. It doesn't help that trying to be defensive increases the red in your popularity meter. I understand that this is to encourage you not to block all the time, but I'd rather block than get caught in an aggressive combo.

And on that note, being aggressive doesn't usually increase the blue unless it's at various circumstances.

It doesn't really annoy me as much; only when I'm clearly winning but end up losing regardless because my popularity had a bit more red than the opponent. Of course, I do win my share of fights either by popularity or KOing.

Hey um...can someone fully explain how this is supposed to work?
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Post by: Critz on June 02, 2013, 11:01:09 PM
Spell cards only do so much if you hit it raw, which is unlikely unless you counter/bait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao--gStbuoU (http://tinyurl.com/lz9egwz)
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Post by: Amraphenson on June 02, 2013, 11:21:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao--gStbuoU (http://tinyurl.com/lz9egwz)

>99 plates
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Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 11:31:04 PM
Yea, It's fine when it's someone within 4 hours away, but beyond that it goes horribly. Can't install hamachi since my antivirus won't let me install it even when it's excluded from checking and put as a trusted program.
If you can host via direct ip, we can still try to see whether it lags or not, if you want.
I personally don't lag with anyone in the world who has a decent connection, in Europe, in America, in Asia, it's all the same for me ( ̄ー ̄) .





Hey um...can someone fully explain how this is supposed to work?


Well, the system is quite weird and sometimes very unfair (I don't know if its due to some bugs, but I already went from +40% to -60% in 1 second without receiving any single hit or playing defensively), but in general, try to make the match (and rounds too) last the longer you can and try to make it to 3 round, since the popularity will raise a lot at the end of the 3rd round (this is just if you want to get to the 100%)

You'll win some popularity if you hit your opponent just when he's attacking to "cancel" his attack, or when you're casting a spell (even if you fail it. So cast it as soon as you can to be able to cast a second one sooner).

Some combos are giving you some popularity but I still don't get why.

Stunning give you some popularity bonus too, so you can also try some "stun-combos" if you know some. Some spells are stunning your opponent too.

For what you said with the first hit, it's like a "jan ken pon" like I said before, you can try to directly do an attack at the beginning of the game and hope your attack will hit him first, or directly rush back and try to approach in a safe way to get the first hit.
But I personally don't like this feature of the game, 10-15% popularity for a single first hit is way too much.

Finally, you can also use the Miko's scepter item that will slowly grant you some popularity as long as you cast it, it's quite useless in fights since the game is promoting aggressivity, but when you cast some slow danmakus that stay in the screen, you can use it as a shield to raise your popularity.
You can also use it after stunning your adversary, it can grant you some % popularity that can make you win a close fight.
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Post by: Serela on June 02, 2013, 11:40:23 PM
Arcade mode clearly isn't in because the AI is so wimpy there's really no point.
 
I imagine they'll eventually implement an AI that isn't braindead.

While I can understand it's not fun to only have such ineffective AI, if you just view the game as not having a Vs.Cpu option... this is only bad if you really can't netplay with anyone without horrible lag, which shouldn't occur.

Also, if you're remembering to use spellcards, you shouldn't need to worry about timeout. Whether comboed or not you should be able to deal at least half the opponent's HP with one.
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Post by: ElGreko on June 02, 2013, 11:48:07 PM
Yes, I told the same before about the AI, the game is originally made to play with other players and not to only stay in solo.
The netplay game is better coded than Hisoutensoku (fortunately...), so that's a least a good point... I guess...

For the missing arcade mode, I don't see the relation though, since the AI is a problem even in vs.com, story, etc...
But the fact that the game has been released without being totally finished and that they don't release anything or announce a single date for the final version is really upsetting me.
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Post by: Starxsword on June 03, 2013, 01:13:44 AM
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Unfortunately, I, and many people, will disagree. I think IaMP was the best fighter out there. The only problem it had was the big diffficulty/learning curve that separates the pros and casual players of the game. SWR's weather system and luck-based spell cards is still bullshit (typhoon, seriously)

I won't dispute that there will be many people who will think Immaterial and Missing Power is better. But I will dispute the illusion of believing more people like IaMP than SWR/Soku. The second part can only be provided by actual numbers and even then, unless there is a significant gap, it is hard to tell, as statistics tend to be off.

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Spell cards only do so much if you hit it raw, which is unlikely unless you counter/bait.

It still does quite a bit. For spell card follow up in combos, you don't even need to land that many hits in before you begin your spell card. Of course, this is done after declaring.

This mechanic favors players with lower life, because you get to your spell cards faster at lower life. So, even if you wiff, you can try to charge and get the next spell card and try again.

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Well, the system is quite weird and sometimes very unfair (I don't know if its due to some bugs, but I already went from +40% to -60% in 1 second without receiving any single hit or playing defensively), but in general, try to make the match (and rounds too) last the longer you can and try to make it to 3 round, since the popularity will raise a lot at the end of the 3rd round (this is just if you want to get to the 100%)

Are you sure this isn't story mode? I don't believe I have seen popularity drop that drastically in versus mode. Unless of course, you have your Last Word up and not use it.

@AI: Yeah, from what I am seeing, AI is horrible. Lunatic AI is like playing on normal or lower in other fighting games.

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But the fact that the game has been released without being totally finished and that they don't release anything or announce a single date for the final version is really upsetting me.

There are more important things to do. The first thing they need to add is cards for the final boss in versus. I hope you don't expect anything else before this.
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Post by: Serela on June 03, 2013, 01:18:57 AM
Koishi Combo Rant
I've been trying really hard but... Koishi's Catch And Release rose combo skill... it's nice but it does nothing I can't do in a combo without it :c You can even combo after it in the corner, but it still results in the same damage as a normal combo, it just looks fancier. If you liked it, you can do tons of combos that will result in 2.4k/2.5k with it, it's just that you can get equal results without, so why put it in your deck?

I tried very hard, but I don't think it's possible to hit with Catch and Release while at what would otherwise be the very end of a combo; in other words, the one point where I think it's damage would be superior. Maybe if I messed with brooms, but I don't like brooms.

I haven't tested growing pains but as far as I can tell Catch&Release is useless and Figdety Snatcher (her up-twirl with blue/red hand trails) is only good for lol AI reflex random hitting, as I don't even see any combos that result in normal tier damage.

In the corner, she can actually do reliable 2.5k combos without any skillcards; I often see her Reflex Laser skillcard used in combos, but as far as I can tell it's only actually good in the mid-screen one. However, you can do shorter and slightly easier corner combos with it. Unlike, say, Catch&Release it's pretty great outside of combos though, so it's still a pretty cool move (and lets you get a good bit more off of mid-screen hits, a few hundred extra damage and limit)

I can't find any ways to combo into her teleport or ring of roses, as they're simply too slow on the actual hit activation. If you're quick, you can combo out of her teleport's hit though for a good 2.3k with your dial-A combo and any ender that'll connect.

As far as I can tell, if you can do 2.4k~2.5k in the corner out of the million ways, do her midscreen combo (AAA2A 6/8ReflexLaserThing AAA6A), and know you can dial-A from her teleport... you're pretty much set on comboing with Koishi. As for spellcards, SuperEgo is almost entirely superior, but it's range is deceptively small so you have to know what combos it'll hit from. Release of the Id can connect from the midscreen combo, however, so it's not useless; and you still do heavy damage from anything you could hit with Superego, just a bit less, so if you wanted to run it... (I don't see a point in putting both spellcards in your deck)

I still need to test Growing Pains, I suppose. I actually never played in 1.01 where it crashes the game, but I don't really like it. The AI doesn't cast it when I want it to for bullet pressure, and I didn't seriously try comboing until just now when it's not in my deck :V Also should try some of the item card attack moves. Edit:The vajra item laser is strong, but doesn't provide anything new to the koishi table. The other two are only good as direct up/down pokes, which aren't useless, but I can't see any Koishi combo utility.

Edit:Starting a combo with 2B is nuts due to AI habits but gets a little more damage... starting with 8B is a lot more realistic and if you counterhit you get like 1k more damage
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Post by: ElGreko on June 03, 2013, 01:25:16 AM

Are you sure this isn't story mode? I don't believe I have seen popularity drop that drastically in versus mode. Unless of course, you have your Last Word up and not use it.


That happened in vs Network, when I was playing with a friend. That made me lose the game and we still don't know how that just happened. (maybe I have the replay, I'm gonna look for it)
I believe this is a bug, this happened 2 times though...


Talking about bugs, for the moment, I'm the only one around my circle of friend to have unlocked Kokoro in EVERY game mode, even VS cpu, VS player and VS network.
As I'm the only one, and other people already cleared the whole story mode without unlocking her, can I ask you if anybody managed to unlock her too?
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Post by: Hinacle on June 03, 2013, 01:28:34 AM
That happened in vs Network, when I was playing with a friend. That made me lose the game and we still don't know how that just happened. (maybe I have the replay, I'm gonna look for it)
I believe this is a bug, this happened 2 times though...


Talking about bugs, for the moment, I'm the only one around my circle of friend to have unlocked Kokoro in EVERY game mode, even VS cpu, VS player and VS network.
As I'm the only one, and other people already cleared the whole story mode without unlocking her, can I ask you if anybody managed to unlock her too?

Your game sounds pretty bugged tbh. No one should have Kokoro unlocked in every mode. Only story mode. Popularity dropping that drastically in a mode besides Story mode is beyond bizarre.
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Post by: Clarste on June 03, 2013, 01:32:16 AM
Your game sounds pretty bugged tbh. No one should have Kokoro unlocked in every mode. Only story mode. Popularity dropping that drastically in a mode besides Story mode is beyond bizarre.
I've heard of people distributing a hacked score.dat that unlocks Kokoro for versus mode, but not of people doing it naturally. And it's plausible that using something like that might introduce new bugs.
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Post by: Genso on June 03, 2013, 01:48:13 AM
Talking about bugs, for the moment, I'm the only one around my circle of friend to have unlocked Kokoro in EVERY game mode, even VS cpu, VS player and VS network.
As I'm the only one, and other people already cleared the whole story mode without unlocking her, can I ask you if anybody managed to unlock her too?

Naw I have her too. I even linked a replay of me playing her in VS mode some time before.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 03, 2013, 01:49:20 AM
Happens against Kokoro all of the time. Get 50+ popularity and get hit by her and watch it drop to -12% or lower.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 03, 2013, 01:53:31 AM
Talking about bugs, for the moment, I'm the only one around my circle of friend to have unlocked Kokoro in EVERY game mode, even VS cpu, VS player and VS network.
As I'm the only one, and other people already cleared the whole story mode without unlocking her, can I ask you if anybody managed to unlock her too?

WTF I tried to force the game to select her and it crashed. I was able to use CE to force select Mamizou before I unlocked her, Mamizou is 09 in the index with Miko being 00 and going by that logic Kokoro should be A0 which crashes. (not fully and it can be restored by setting a different value)
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Post by: Serela on June 03, 2013, 01:55:32 AM
3 force shield items dropped the damage I took by... one twelth almost exactly. Mmmn, yeah, they don't seem worth it even if you have nothing else you want in your deck. I'm messing around with items since I have literally 4 open deck slots.

Now that I have Koishi down I should probably learn someone else. Uhm... Miko? (I'd take Futo if it wasn't that I've heard bad things about her, and Mamizou is still locked for me, so...)

Maybe now I should start netplaying against people so I can put my Koishi tactics into practice.
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Post by: commandercool on June 03, 2013, 02:16:26 AM
3 force shield items dropped the damage I took by... one twelth almost exactly. Mmmn, yeah, they don't seem worth it even if you have nothing else you want in your deck. I'm messing around with items since I have literally 4 open deck slots.

Now that I have Koishi down I should probably learn someone else. Uhm... Miko? (I'd take Futo if it wasn't that I've heard bad things about her, and Mamizou is still locked for me, so...)

Maybe now I should start netplaying against people so I can put my Koishi tactics into practice.

Yeah, Force Shield was destined to be unplayable. It would probably have to have unfair numbers to be worth it over a move or a proactive item. Any idea how much reduction you get out of just one Force Shield?
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Post by: achicken on June 03, 2013, 02:22:30 AM
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Happens against Kokoro all of the time. Get 50+ popularity and get hit by her and watch it drop to -12% or lower.

No fair using story mode boss as a comparison! :3

But yeah, getting hit on counter by any of her spellcards is annoying.
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Post by: Serela on June 03, 2013, 02:24:16 AM
Any idea how much reduction you get out of just one Force Shield?
Not enough. I went from taking about 1272 from Reimu's dial-A to like... 1235-ish. With three it was about 100 damage reduction. I was hoping for maybe one tenth with several shields on, but...

It wasn't destined to be unplayable, because the stuff I ended up putting in those 4 slots are moves/items I doubt I will get almost -any- use out of, period, apart from inducing bhuddism on myself with two. (I liiiiike bhuddist koishi) Yet, even if I sacrifice half my deckspace to them, the reduction still is almost completely negligible. Eh.

Also, dear god. Playing people other then Koishi is impossible for me now. What do you mean you have moves other then Z and A for normal hit usage?!
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Post by: commandercool on June 03, 2013, 02:26:38 AM
Not enough. I went from taking about 1272 from Reimu's dial-A to like... 1235-ish. With three it was about 100 damage reduction. I was hoping for maybe one tenth with several shields on, but...

It wasn't destined to be unplayable, because the stuff I ended up putting in those 4 slots are moves/items I doubt I will get almost -any- use out of, period, apart from inducing bhuddism on myself with two. (I liiiiike bhuddist koishi) Yet, even if I sacrifice half my deckspace to them, the reduction still is almost completely negligible. Eh.

Also, dear god. Playing people other then Koishi is impossible for me now. What do you mean you have moves other then Z and A for normal hit usage?!

Yeah, I guess in combo-centric Koishi's incredibly specific case you have slots to waste. Might as well put some brooms in there for basically no reason and it'll still probably be better than an item that assumes you're going to get beaten up a lot.
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Post by: Starxsword on June 03, 2013, 02:40:33 AM
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I tried very hard, but I don't think it's possible to hit with Catch and Release while at what would otherwise be the very end of a combo; in other words, the one point where I think it's damage would be superior. Maybe if I messed with brooms, but I don't like brooms.

Is that skill useful out of combos? Better hit box?

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Not enough. I went from taking about 1272 from Reimu's dial-A to like... 1235-ish. With three it was about 100 damage reduction. I was hoping for maybe one tenth with several shields on, but...

That sounds useless. Try to have 8 and see what it does? Either that or have more spell cards. 4 spell cards sound good.
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Post by: Gpop on June 03, 2013, 02:47:57 AM
Koishi Combo Rant
*snip*
I will agree that catch and rose is generally better than laser for corner, BUT you can do her dial-A loop for even more damage (last I checked catch and rose does 2.52k but dial-A does 2.55k, and is easier imo). Because of this, I decided to drop the spell card as it doesn't do much more other than combo from melee attacks. I generally use Reflex laser for midscreen stun combos though, and sometimes corner either out of (bad) habit, or if I don't know how close I am to the corner yet.

Ring of Roses is good in some cases because it can stun if a lot of the roses hit at once, AND you can combo from it if you're ready. The stun is great for popularity gain. Other than that, I dunno what else you can use it for. It's kinda okay, but not BAD, just situational. Teleport is decent too, as it teleports really quickly and great for cross ups. You can combo into it as well from anywhere with a dial-A combo for stun.

Growing Pains is pretty good, as it delays and can bait the opponent a bit, I've hit opponents quite a bit with it since it's kinda unexpected.  Fidgety Snatcher is really good as it acts VERY similar to a dp (shoryuken). It's COMPLETELY invincible on it's way up, so it's really great for counters and to go under with. I've used it a lot and a lot of the times it does what it needs to do. It's better than her 8B, which is also really REALLY good due to how quick it is and you can combo from it.

Super-ego is generally a lot better for damage, so in combos it's preferred, BUT the small range isn't good for anything else. I will say that it's actually COMPLETELY invincible during the attack, so it's a great counter. That's why Release of the Id is great for other purposes, such as keepaway or comboing from a distance, but mostly the former if you have a lot of popularity or a lot of pressure on you.

I would say broom is not worth it for Koishi. If you hold a direction, she'll dash and ALWAYS get a missed sneeze, but if you don't she CAN dial-A, but with her resources she doesn't really need it.

This is just experience from playing with opponents so far though. I've seen a few japanese replays with Koishi, and I've only seen one Buddhist Koishi and one neutral. I'm a Shinto Koishi mostly because her hearts are spread out more (great for midscreen combo), and her Y laser is A LOT better (it goes in all 6 directions no matter which direction you have it on).
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Post by: commandercool on June 03, 2013, 02:53:49 AM
3 force shield items dropped the damage I took by... one twelth almost exactly. Mmmn, yeah, they don't seem worth it even if you have nothing else you want in your deck. I'm messing around with items since I have literally 4 open deck slots.

Now that I have Koishi down I should probably learn someone else. Uhm... Miko? (I'd take Futo if it wasn't that I've heard bad things about her, and Mamizou is still locked for me, so...)

Maybe now I should start netplaying against people so I can put my Koishi tactics into practice.

Oh yeah, and if you're going to learn another character you should learn Nitori. I suck at figuring out combos, so someone else should do it for me and share them. :derp:

Or Ichirin. When I get around to picking up a second character it will probably be Ichirin. Maybe I'm just partial to slow heavy hitters, but I think she's fantastic fun to play with.
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Post by: CK Crash on June 03, 2013, 02:55:33 AM
Are neutral alignment decks useful in any situation? Everything seems to suggest that they are weaker, but the fact that the Koishi Hat item exists suggests a hidden benefit. I mean, I can imagine wanting a lot of melee skills but not the Buddhist alignment's short range... but wouldn't you just go Shinto or Taoist instead?
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 03, 2013, 02:57:41 AM
Thy are slightly weaker. But there isn't alot of attacks to choose from. You usually have 2 or 3 unused cards that can be set in the default deck.
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Post by: Serela on June 03, 2013, 03:08:57 AM
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It's COMPLETELY invincible on it's way up
Oh my god, really? Okay, I guess putting it back in my deck for bhuddism value wasn't so bad. I did use it from time to time for reflex hits instead of lightbulb, but oh boy. (Still, you can combo from lightbulb for better damage. Also, I like using Bhuddism for charging the lightbulb :D)

Also, I was spending the paragraph saying Catch&Release seemed entirely useless, yeah. I dropped it in my deck revision. And no, StarxSword; it's not any good out of combos. Maybe if you could use it on command, but with Koishi's autocast AI any of the bigger hitbox value is lost. Also, Reflex Radar laser vs. normal dial-a corner chaining is almost exactly the same, it's just one runs down the timer more; which can be strategically useful.

I also like Bhuddism just because the heartburst gained on her normal danmaku makes it a lot better for up-close situations. Her bullets feel almost useless to me otherwise, outside of tiny tinks. x_x It also makes it super easy to combo off dial-as ending in 6B in the corner, not that there isn't other options I could do instead (You can loop off 5B and any alignment danmaku as long as you're careful to not cancel it)

I messed around with Miko and Futo, as they're the ones I'm most interested in picking up, I think... but it's really jarring to leave Koishi, whose quirkiness I've become so comfortable with. I'll probably learn one eventually, though. My friend mains Nitori so nope :T Despite how much he's murdered me. Now that I've actually learned how to combo though, I should stand a far better chance! I was always really close before...

If I dropped Bhuddist, I'd go Shinto for the improved y lasers. I almost never use them as-is, since they're inferior combo options and being bhuddist is a thing to your range. >.o
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 03, 2013, 03:16:40 AM
Are neutral alignment decks useful in any situation? Everything seems to suggest that they are weaker, but the fact that the Koishi Hat item exists suggests a hidden benefit. I mean, I can imagine wanting a lot of melee skills but not the Buddhist alignment's short range... but wouldn't you just go Shinto or Taoist instead?
All alignments have their own strengths and weaknesses. Shinto gives wider range for projectiles but in turn they are weaker, Buddhism gives charged B attacks and juggling projectiles with MUCH better durability and priority, but you lose all normal projectiles from actually going far. Taoism just has them going faster (forgot what the downside is though). So it's not like Neutral is bad, if you don't want any downsides.

Also, I like using Koishi's Y lasers as it's great for counters when they least expect it since it comes out really quickly.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on June 03, 2013, 03:20:41 AM
Yeah, I'd probably like them if I tried them.

But I'm so lazy and <3 about the bhuddism heart bullet. Well, now that I actually know what I'm doing, I'll see if I still think it's useful or not. Might not need it now that I actually know how to connect a combo past AAAA.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 03, 2013, 03:28:52 AM
It's all up to the player's playstyle in the end. I say Buddhism goes well with Koishi anyways, so it's not hurting you or anything. I find Shinto to be so good since it makes it harder for them to try to get in, and I can get 2.5k corner combos anyways :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Genso on June 03, 2013, 03:45:48 AM
Taoism just has them going faster (forgot what the downside is though).

Horrible, horrible aim.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 03, 2013, 05:16:02 AM
Horrible, horrible aim.

They are straightforward, so no homing capabilities. On the other hand, they have better piercing power.

Despite wanting to go for Taoism, Neutral seems to be my favored playstyle for Futo, so I can spam out different attack styles with her plates. I'll probably try Buddhism with Koishi and see if that's better for me.

Question: What build would be nice for Byakuren in story mode (want to go on lunatic, cleared normal w/ Buddhism, but that made me too vulnerable against Kokoro)?

With regards to the AI, I may be playing badly as I have a tendency to rush in and getting clobbered and countered a lot, though if I play against their weaknesses, then I can see how bad they are (I would often use a move that would take priority over their counters to raise my popularity). Otherwise, I can just outspam them with projectiles if I can't do well against their melee.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on June 03, 2013, 05:40:33 AM
Man, I played against someone, and I remembered why I picked bhuddist Koishi. I mean first, her non-bhuddism bullets hardly do anything at a range since there's like no stun AFAIK.

But it's because they stuff -everything-. I use that and I don't have to worry about them throwing any kind of bullet attack at me, because it'll get destroyed by dense hearts, and the added heart'splosion gives the bullets far more utility for keeping my opponent busy.

Man, Koishi's rushdown is extremely limited, though. Teleport is hard to land against anyone prepared, the ring of roses is very difficult to utilize in any effective manner, I can't get any use out of Growing Pains... all I have is amusing pokes with Fidgety Snatcher (which is a wonderful skill) and Reflex Radar along with hovering around in circles flailing legs. Her dash invulnerability is a huge boon to her otherwise very limited ability to get in... the upside is, in combos, she can turn any good hit into a long chain of hurt, but I'm having trouble following up from 2b hits in netplay. x_x It's sad to see all my hits just fizzle out after a single dial-a.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 03, 2013, 05:43:23 AM
Since Koishi can't get in through normal dashing, just up-down dash you're way in. It grazes bullets, and it's a good way to get in as it'll be hard for them to keep up. Think of it like Dr. Doom tri-dashing :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 03, 2013, 05:59:21 AM
By the way, I really started to understand how the popularity system works, now I can get to the 100% popularity almost every match when playing against the computer on lunatic (but it's just because the AI is lame and I can abuse of that stupidity).

Since several people asked how popularity works or to have some 100% replays, now that I can get as much as I want, if anyone is interested, I just played right now for test and got 4 replays including some Last Words with different characters, would it interest anyone?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 03, 2013, 06:00:30 AM
By the way, I really started to understand how the popularity system works, now I can get to the 100% popularity almost every match when playing against the computer on lunatic (but it's just because the AI is lame and I can abuse of that stupidity).

Since several people asked how popularity works or to have some 100% replays, now that I can get as much as I want, if anyone is interested, I just played right now for test and got 4 replays including some Last Words with different characters, would it interest anyone?

Care to explain some of them here? Like how one can suddenly go from 50%+ to a negative or vice versa?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 03, 2013, 06:14:19 AM
Like how one can suddenly go from 50%+ to a negative or vice versa?

I have totally no idea how does this happens, I believe it's a bug, since it happened for me only in "vs network" (I experienced several different bugs, actually.)

Care to explain some of them here?

It's quite hard to explain since every character has its own gameplay. Also, it's obtained in a "lame way", by abusing of the computer behavior, this most likely won't work so easily against human players.

But in general, I let myself get hit on purpose to charge my spellcard bar and use my 2 spellcards every round.
And meanwhile all of this, either I let the computer kill me to have 2 more round to farm some popularity, either I play only with B to counter the opponent when she attacks to raise my popularity the most I can.

With some characters like Miko, I also use her scepter item to maximize the farming of popularity, since the computer is too dumb to aim at me when I'm doing it, and it's easy to get to the 100% even in 2 rounds.

I just played to test right now, since I had some difficulties to sleep, but I believe that if played seriously, it's possible to get to the 100% in only 2 rounds with every characters without using the scepter item. But absolutely not against human players.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on June 03, 2013, 06:21:24 AM
While I wait for my copy to arrive, I'd love to see as much as I can about the system mechanics, so sure.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 03, 2013, 06:27:47 AM
While I wait for my copy to arrive

Did you order the original game? You didn't play the same version as us yet?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 03, 2013, 09:20:33 AM
Question: What build would be nice for Byakuren in story mode (want to go on lunatic, cleared normal w/ Buddhism, but that made me too vulnerable against Kokoro)?
I prefer Buddhist but anything is fine as long as you can keep the pressure and dodge. Look for my post in this thread(here: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14812.msg979196.html#msg979196) on how to to clear Byakuren's story mode with Buddhist build. Though it should apply with any build. I said to stuff your deck with counters there but you don't have to, really. It's only to make some spells easier. As long as you have upward vajra for Kokoro, you're good.
If you still need more advice, just ask.

Regarding the popularity going up and down like crazy, I think you guys forget a little bit something called "comeback".
Whenever the player with less health(about half or less) does a significant damage to the player with more health(about half or more) and make it lower than the attacker, they'll gain a boost in popularity and a decrease for the other player. It's proportional to how much damage is done to make it lower.
You can see it in this test: http://www.mediafire.com/?83myc84vb5xx5tu
During the test, it happens 3 times. First with Futo's finish, you can see a little boost in her popularity because you are making the opponents health lower than you(zero). Second and third is with Byakuren and you can see how much it boosts her popularity and decreases Futo's. Also, as you can see, it doesn't have to be a combo but I believe you need to do it quickly. As long as you managed to do enough damage while keeping your health from getting any lower, you'll get it.
Oh yeah, don't forget that each time you stun the opponent, you'll gain 5%.

Here's another one for comparison on how much it increase: http://www.mediafire.com/?6e5ix6vlbovof00
And that's how you get 100% popularity in 2 rounds.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: HyperGumba on June 03, 2013, 09:53:22 AM
Is it normal that the game either desyncs or crashes/freezes for either one of the players in a netplay match, be it during character, stage select or the actual fight?

I honestly only tried to play with two other Germans so far, and out of a rough 25 actual matches (not counting games that crashed before it even started) only one of them could actually be finished.

My machine is good enough to run the game itself, my internet comes from a 6k line, my friends are apparently running this thing under similar conditions. Could it be that 1.02 is just simply prone to crashes, or does it have to do with regions?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 03, 2013, 10:04:46 AM
That's because you or your friends have a bad connection. In this case, your friends have probably a cheap connection that doesn't work at all.

I experienced the same thing with someone living not so far from me, but having a bad connection, the game was desync all the time or crashing, we were lucky when we could play some fluid games, and we couldn't use the micro because that was making my friend lag even more.

But with everyone else, even from other continents, I had 0 problem, so the problem comes from the people who have some wooden connection (or computer?).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: HyperGumba on June 03, 2013, 10:17:30 AM
Aww, shucks. I'll have to try it out with a few other guys to test it out, then.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 03, 2013, 10:18:05 AM
Well, I suck with Buddhism Koishi... I guess I'll stick to Shinto or try to learn more on Tao-Koishi
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: crotchpuncha on June 03, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
This game chugs like crazy, and makes my computer run super hot, so I'm done with it for now. Oh well.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 03, 2013, 11:09:07 AM
Aww, shucks. I'll have to try it out with a few other guys to test it out, then.

You can try with me if you want, you can send me your contact infos via PM if you wish.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 03, 2013, 11:53:47 AM
I prefer Buddhist but anything is fine as long as you can keep the pressure and dodge. Look for my post in this thread(here: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14812.msg979196.html#msg979196) on how to to clear Byakuren's story mode with Buddhist build. Though it should apply with any build. I said to stuff your deck with counters there but you don't have to, really. It's only to make some spells easier. As long as you have upward vajra for Kokoro, you're good.
If you still need more advice, just ask.


Useful... might want to try it. Although I'm still getting used to her "Remilia" dash, keep getting countered as I can't time her dash attacks. Lunatic really are quite aggressive in the melee attacks (still manageable though)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Aqua Soo on June 03, 2013, 07:41:26 PM
Just went through story. Maybe this sheds some light on ZUN's thoughts on religion? With Mamizou being an sake-lovin' author avatar...

I am probably thinking too hard lol.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 04, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
I'm not sure if this is already known, but it seems that if you spellcard declare in the middle of your combo, it causes the spellcard to scale at the end, while if you predeclare it doesn't scale at all.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 04, 2013, 03:08:04 AM
I'm not sure if this is already known, but it seems that if you spellcard declare in the middle of your combo, it causes the spellcard to scale at the end, while if you predeclare it doesn't scale at all.
Huh really? That's kinda...weird
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 04, 2013, 03:26:42 AM
I'm not sure if this is already known, but it seems that if you spellcard declare in the middle of your combo, it causes the spellcard to scale at the end, while if you predeclare it doesn't scale at all.
It is. They made it so that players that do a quick declare mid-combo won't deal too much damage, else there's no point to declare spellcard other than to stop the timer.
I think it is pretty reasonable because if you are not quick enough, characters like Marisa or Ichirin have a hard time landing their spellcard.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 04, 2013, 03:49:01 AM
It is. They made it so that players that do a quick declare mid-combo won't deal too much damage, else there's no point to declare spellcard other than to stop the timer.
Popularity. Also, using it gives no consequence, unless you have a terrible SC that is really really punishable
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on June 04, 2013, 04:39:20 AM
Man, I'm gradually picking up some Futo stuff, but I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out some of these things. Like, I can only combo with Pillar in combos where the opponent goes backwards afterwords >.o I'm also not entirely sure what to do outside of combos; it feels like her only special that's any good out of a combo is fireball, leaving me randomly throwing plates around and using Futo's super floaty-ness to jump around until I land an A hit.

Also a simple AAA 5X 2Underflow (which you'd do more after), the underflow whiffs most of the time. It doesn't -seem- like I'm not doing it as fast as possible... ah x.o, maybe I'm actually doing it -too- fast and not letting the plate hit first?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Amraphenson on June 04, 2013, 05:02:25 AM
all you can really do with futo is space with fireball and arrow until you actually land something, but it leaves her so starved for spirit that her combos really don't lead up to much.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 04, 2013, 07:08:51 AM
Talking about Futo, she also has some interesting close-ranged techniques  :]

(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370329568-tumblr-mnsose25fz1r701k7o1-250.gif)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shizzo on June 04, 2013, 08:26:56 AM
Just because Futo gets stronger with plates that doesn't mean you must always focus on just breaking them during matches.  There is a myriad of combos which don't required any plate broken at all.  From my own personal experience just the 20 plate count is more than enough to unlock most of the necessary combos for me to do the job (especially since 20 plates unlocks a Wallslam on her combo). 

By the way, since there won't be a translation patch for this game, are there any translations for the endings?  I know they can't be published on the wiki, but I have nowhere to resort in order to understand them, for I don't speak Japanese. 
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 04, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
Just because Futo gets stronger with plates that doesn't mean you must always focus on just breaking them during matches.  There is a myriad of combos which don't required any plate broken at all.  From my own personal experience just the 20 plate count is more than enough to unlock most of the necessary combos for me to do the job (especially since 20 plates unlocks a Wallslam on her combo). 


I don't even do a lot of platebreaking. Focused on spamming attacks and being mildly aggressive are my usual style. Against players, they might try to be too aggressive to prevent you from powering up. You can just leave a few plates around to scare them off a bit and make them cautious with their attacks.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darkness1 on June 04, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
*Sees Yuuka in a stage background*
Just this made the game better for me :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 04, 2013, 05:23:11 PM
I don't even do a lot of platebreaking. Focused on spamming attacks and being mildly aggressive are my usual style. Against players, they might try to be too aggressive to prevent you from powering up. You can just leave a few plates around to scare them off a bit and make them cautious with their attacks.

Usually Futo's tornado and arm flailing combo does enough damage for me already even without breaking plates.  Although, I do tend to go plate spamming happy which gives me a bit of a breather away from opponents. But, I prefer to "accidentally" be a pyromaniac with her fire spell card.  :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Serela on June 04, 2013, 08:41:56 PM
I don't break plates to power up, I break plate because fire pinball is the best thing ever

Also I think I have a decent grasp on Futo now! I'm also actually LANDING my Koishi combos better.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 04, 2013, 10:48:23 PM
Talking about Futo, she also has some interesting close-ranged techniques  :]

2LEWD

(http://i.imgur.com/vGDG7zO.jpg)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: TheTeff007 on June 05, 2013, 02:36:43 AM
All the girls in this game are pixels away from a pantyshot, but that's not what this thread is about.


Now, no news of Playable Kokoro?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 05, 2013, 02:53:28 AM
All the girls in this game are pixels away from a pantyshot, but that's not what this thread is about.

Mamizou's already there.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Genso on June 05, 2013, 03:40:40 AM
Now, no news of Playable Kokoro?

Haven't seen or heard anything on the tasofro site. So for now we only have her in story mode unless you have her in versus.

Also, I noticed this while playing with someone else online, but if both players have Kokoro in versus mode, then she's playable on network. Though with no skills or spellcards, there's not much point unless you want a nearly impossible challenge.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 05, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
Also, I noticed this while playing with someone else online, but if both players have Kokoro in versus mode, then she's playable on network. Though with no skills or spellcards, there's not much point unless you want a nearly impossible challenge.

I already won with her a lot of times against some friends, it's indeed very hard to win by popularity since she doesn't have any spellcards (but she can farm a lot of popularity with melee counters), but she has an enormous potential of chaining attacks and you can easily kill the opponent if he doesn't care enough.

And obviously, if both players take her, it totally balances the game.

I find very fun to play her in VS modes anyway.


By the way, some people seem unable to unlock her in VS mode, I wonder why...


By the way, tasofro takes too much time to finish their game, it's frustrating, they released their corrective patch less than 48 after the release of the game, and now they don't release anything else...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 05, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
They probably don't have a proper idea on how to work on Kokoro's gimmick, though it does appear that it might be about stances depending on the mask selected.

I finished her story, but not available on VS either.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on June 05, 2013, 09:57:51 AM
By the way, some people seem unable to unlock her in VS mode, I wonder why...

It's because you can't unless you use a modified score.dat that's floating around on the internet somewhere. You can only use Kokoro in Story Mode otherwise.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 05, 2013, 10:24:01 AM
A friend of mine sent me his in order to play with me with her, but he told me he simply unlocked her without doing anything particular, probably due to some bug.

I don't know what is true, I was thinking like you first, since she's not been totally implemented in the game.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 05, 2013, 10:40:59 AM
By the way, tasofro takes too much time to finish their game, it's frustrating, they released their corrective patch less than 48 after the release of the game, and now they don't release anything else...

Yeah, I can understand why someone that bought this game would start to get a little impatient.

You did buy the game, right?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on June 05, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
Speaking of Futo, trying to make her one of my mains. I always make it a point to throw out plates and match them up with the fireball attack, which sometimes catches my opponents off guard.

I love it!  :]

Though during a match with a friend some time back, we noticed a "cha-ching" noise every time I used Futo.  Then I noticed that the sound changes the look of my plates. After that sound, my plates became black. Then again, they became red. Not exactly sure what this means to be honest. ^^;
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 05, 2013, 11:08:36 AM
Speaking of Futo, trying to make her one of my mains. I always make it a point to throw out plates and match them up with the fireball attack, which sometimes catches my opponents off guard.

I love it!  :]

Though during a match with a friend some time back, we noticed a "cha-ching" noise every time I used Futo.  Then I noticed that the sound changes the look of my plates. After that sound, my plates became black. Then again, they became red. Not exactly sure what this means to be honest. ^^;

Every 20 broken plates makes your attacks stronger. So, that makes 20/40/60/80 as the tiers.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PhantomSong on June 05, 2013, 11:42:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vGDG7zO.jpg)
OHGOD This reminds me of a gif someone sent me e.e
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Genso on June 06, 2013, 02:53:55 AM
I already won with her a lot of times against some friends, it's indeed very hard to win by popularity since she doesn't have any spellcards (but she can farm a lot of popularity with melee counters), but she has an enormous potential of chaining attacks and you can easily kill the opponent if he doesn't care enough.

And obviously, if both players take her, it totally balances the game.

I find very fun to play her in VS modes anyway.

Indeed she's fun to play as and her corner pressure and chaining is amazing, but her midscreen is a little hard to do anything about without relying a bit more on her X and Y shots. Though after a while of playing, she becomes easy to predict without anything to mix up her attacks too much.

A friend of mine sent me his in order to play with me with her, but he told me he simply unlocked her without doing anything particular, probably due to some bug.

I don't know what is true, I was thinking like you first, since she's not been totally implemented in the game.

Same here, got it from a friend who unlocked her normally. Most likely a bug like you said.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on June 06, 2013, 04:52:18 AM
Really excited to get this coming in,




Soon?



The roster is bigger than I was expecting, and the spacing-based gameplay looks fantastic. I can't say for sure yet, but it certainly looks like a keeper. I'm really liking the trend for these games to go less about ground combat with each installment. IaMP had heavy Air-to-air combos and ground spacing, while SWR(H) had a lot softer combos with a higher need to keep a strong pressure of bullets/make more reads into hits. Having played the demo of this newest one, I can only hope the gameplay of the final game makes as much use of positioning and orientation as the trial. Futo looks especially fun setting plate traps everywhere, but I'll have to see who's positioning game suits me best when my copy arrives.

Plus I'll be able to rock out to Shibayan's Magico Catastrofe in the same package! Definitely feeling good about this.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Marukyu on June 06, 2013, 02:51:13 PM
The Kokoro unlock score.dat that's circulating on the internet was actually the result of me randomly experimenting with the file in a hex editor, and it somehow magically ended up working.  :V
Here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70075671/2/score.dat) is the file for anyone who wants it, it unlocks all characters (for versus) and all stages/music. (So, obviously, SPOILERS!)

Anyway, since the TH13.5 English patch thread on the "Touhou Projects" subforum isn't really getting any attention at the moment and it also wasn't exactly the most appropriate place to ask...
Does anyone here know anything about the th135.pak/TFPK file format or have an extractor for those files? I know that some people of a Chinese Touhou/coding community do, but they don't seem to be willing to release it for some reason and don't appear respond to e-mails. The reason I'm asking this is because I'd really like to listen to the game's great music on my phone (or on my computer without having to use the musicroom), and stereomix recordings of the musicroom typically come out pretty badly in terms of quality.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PhantomSong on June 06, 2013, 11:31:33 PM
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/vowf4n.jpg)

H-ACHOOO! Oh, excuse me
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 06, 2013, 11:39:14 PM
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/vowf4n.jpg)

H-ACHOOO! Oh, excuse me
Death by sneezing!  :matsurismirk:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 07, 2013, 12:26:33 AM
She joins the ranks with MvC3 Pheonix Wright for having the deadliest sneeze
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kosachi on June 07, 2013, 12:40:09 AM
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/vowf4n.jpg)

H-ACHOOO! Oh, excuse me
GOODNESS! Use a tissue  :wat:
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Post by: ElGreko on June 07, 2013, 07:03:22 AM
The Kokoro unlock score.dat that's circulating on the internet was actually the result of me randomly experimenting with the file in a hex editor, and it somehow magically ended up working.  :V
Here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70075671/2/score.dat) is the file for anyone who wants it, it unlocks all characters (for versus) and all stages/music. (So, obviously, SPOILERS!)


I don't need it since I already unlocked everything and I got my friend's file, but that's very kind of you to share it ( ̄ー ̄) so, thanks for the others  :3
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Post by: game2011 on June 07, 2013, 09:02:34 AM
Will Tasofro's patch for unlocking Kokoro in VS modes give her spell cards and a Last Spell?

Thanks in advance!
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Post by: Starxsword on June 07, 2013, 09:47:30 AM
When a new patch comes out, I would think it would address Kokoro, since she is incomplete.
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Post by: ElGreko on June 07, 2013, 11:26:28 AM
Sure it will, the game is actually not finished, so I hope they'll fix that in the next patch.
By the way, for now, I only heard about some "life distribution" fix for some future next patches, but they never precisely talked about kokoro, let's hope she'll be in the next patch too!
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Post by: Clarste on June 07, 2013, 11:36:06 AM
Sure it will, the game is actually not finished, so I hope they'll fix that in the next patch.
By the way, for now, I only heard about some "life distribution" fix for some future next patches, but they never precisely talked about kokoro, let's hope she'll be in the next patch too!
Their latest blog post talks about making "a certain character" playable.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 07, 2013, 11:49:29 AM
Death by sneezing!  :matsurismirk:

I much prefer her Lightbulb attack though, that "ding" sound adds to my amusement.
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Post by: ElGreko on June 07, 2013, 12:37:03 PM
Their latest blog post talks about making "a certain character" playable.

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They don't really say interesting things, actually.
I didn't learn anything valuable except that they'll make later patches to correct HP distribution and some character bugs. They don't even say when they'll do it or talk about Kokoro ╥︵╥.
The only time they talk about her is when they talked about a "certain playable character" that has become a hot topic at many places, but without giving any precisions ( ?︿? ).

I don't know if they released something new meanwhile, since the last time.
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Post by: Clarste on June 07, 2013, 12:46:59 PM
I don't know if they released something new meanwhile, since the last time.
They talk about making her playable in the same sentence as talking about the HP patch. That person seems to have read it as "a certain playable character", but it says "making a certain character playable". The only context they mention her in is making her playable. プレイアブル化. Becoming playable. Playable-fication.

It's still pretty vague though, with no timeline or anything.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Ikari on June 07, 2013, 01:15:34 PM
Koishi is so adorable in this game. She reminds me of Kirby, with the little wiggle-waggles, happy hoping and cute sound effects.

Which is why I can't wait to play HM with a friend who has never heard of it. I can just see him look in pure confusion as I smash his face with a lightbulb... And not even touching anything.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on June 07, 2013, 07:46:02 PM
I much prefer her Lightbulb attack though, that "ding" sound adds to my amusement.
I actually Ko'd story mode Futo with that attack and went "Ding knockout!"
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 07, 2013, 09:32:05 PM
This new patch should give better AI, or atleast let it use skills and spell cards. But yeah none that other stuff I care about except Kokoro being playable.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 07, 2013, 10:26:40 PM
Finally got around to trying netplay. Just had times to get two games in, but my game crashed at the end of the second round of the first game and half way through the first round of the second game. One of them was via Hamachi and the other was over the game's network. Anybody got any insight on this?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 07, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
Finally got around to trying netplay. Just had times to get two games in, but my game crashed at the end of the second round of the first game and half way through the first round of the second game. One of them was via Hamachi and the other was over the game's network. Anybody got any insight on this?
My friend and me have this same problem too with netplay, except for we use Hamachi. However, I get a black screen after I win or lose a match but, the HM theme is still playing.


Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 08, 2013, 12:41:25 AM
This new patch should give better AI, or atleast let it use skills and spell cards. But yeah none that other stuff I care about except Kokoro being playable.
Did they ever fix the AI being to us spell cards in soku?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Ikari on June 08, 2013, 12:49:38 AM
Is there a way to have more than 2 rounds in VS mode...? Because if not, it really sucks :I It prevents Last Words use almost completely.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 08, 2013, 01:31:05 AM
Did they ever fix the AI being to us spell cards in soku?

No, but I think they used certain attacks like Sanae can call bubble Suwako which I don't think is apart of the basic attack set. But still smarter than HM's soku atleast switched it up rather than being predictable. Still neither game stand to IaMP's which uses spell cards and everything.

But I guess it is out of Tasfro's priority to fix the AI since they didn't even fix Remilia and a bug where she randomizes the stage if you select her. Didn't fix it in SWR or UNL.

But atleast we can get a fully playable Kokoro and maybe an Arcade Mode.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 08, 2013, 01:37:05 AM
But I guess it is out of Tasfro's priority to fix the AI since they didn't even fix Remilia and a bug where she randomizes the stage if you select her. Didn't fix it in SWR or UNL.
you know that remi cant go to outdoor stages without a parasol card right? :derp:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 08, 2013, 01:46:13 AM
you know that remi cant go to outdoor stages without a parasol card right? :derp:

Wait what? I never knew that since I removed all item cards.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 08, 2013, 01:47:08 AM
Wait what? I never knew that since I removed all item cards.
Wait a minute you didn't?!  :wat:
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Post by: Ikari on June 08, 2013, 01:47:47 AM
Wait what? I never knew that since I removed all item cards.

Sad.

But yes, Remilia needs a parasol to go in outside stages, and since 3/5 of the stages are outside...
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 08, 2013, 01:48:19 AM
it's not a bug, it's a feature :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 08, 2013, 01:59:05 AM
Why doesn't it say that in the description rather than make it a semi secret?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Ikari on June 08, 2013, 02:01:12 AM
Why doesn't it say that in the description rather than make it a semi secret?

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Shutting out the light, a white custom parasol whose wielder, upon use, will block out the sun. It also acts as a danmaku repelling shield. When used, a defensive barrier will form to protect against projectile attacks. Actually there is an additional effect but...?

And it's Remilia's item. It's... Pretty implied. It's meant as a fridge logic moment to the player.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 08, 2013, 02:05:13 AM
I guess I just never payed attention to it. I figured most if not all item cards were useless to me so I picked them off without even looking at what they all do.

I feel stupid now.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Ikari on June 08, 2013, 02:07:54 AM
I feel stupid now.

Don't, a lot of people probably didn't know back then either. It's something you just kinda learn randomly. For example, I learned last week that doing Sakuya's time stop spellcards the other way in IaMP made a time slow instead.
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 08, 2013, 02:43:16 AM
Yeah I noticed that too while playing IaMP a while back.

But anyway I wish Alice was in this game, only because I would be even more tempted to learn how to play as her than I did in the past. She is really good if you learn how to use the dolls correctly.
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Post by: Ikari on June 08, 2013, 02:46:21 AM
But anyway I wish Alice was in this game, only because I would be even more tempted to learn how to play as her than I did in the past. She is really good if you learn how to use the dolls correctly.

I wish so too since she's one of my favorites, but her playstyle would be quite similar with Futo; The whole breaking plates to activate plate specials remind me of the doll placing, followed by a doll-breaking attack.
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Post by: Gpop on June 08, 2013, 02:50:15 AM
No, but I think they used certain attacks like Sanae can call bubble Suwako which I don't think is apart of the basic attack set. But still smarter than HM's soku atleast switched it up rather than being predictable. Still neither game stand to IaMP's which uses spell cards and everything.
that's moreso because Suwako Bubble is part of the default movelist anyways. AI never had a problem with the default movelist but when it comes to upgradable or card moves the AI never uses them since the deck can always change. That's why it's even more apparent in HM since every special is in a customizable deck

So the biggest problem is Tasofro not coding AI to adapt to given decks.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 08, 2013, 02:54:48 AM
Is there a way to have more than 2 rounds in VS mode...? Because if not, it really sucks :I It prevents Last Words use almost completely.

Nope, sadly, but I agree with what you said, if you play with the birdbrained bots, you can manage to get some Last Words quite easily, but against human players, it's almost impossible if they know how to play.

And I already said it several times: I really wished them to add an option to add more rounds (or even configure the timer) like in every fighting games, so people could play the way they wish.

But I don't think they'll fix that in the next updates...


Finally got around to trying netplay. Just had times to get two games in, but my game crashed at the end of the second round of the first game and half way through the first round of the second game. One of them was via Hamachi and the other was over the game's network. Anybody got any insight on this?

Let's try again tomorrow, maybe it was just some random crashes, I personally never experienced this with anyone.
(I'm just thinking about it but... could it be possible that your problem comes from the game's screen resolution?)


Miko is the next Iori when it comes to using gifs of her laughing win pose on forums.

Totally agreed.

(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370660188-mikoioribyjon.gif)
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Post by: Ikari on June 08, 2013, 02:56:00 AM
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370660012-mikoioribyjon.gif)

I am in love with this gif.

But really, I love every winning poses. Koishi's is particularly adorable <3
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Post by: Suikama on June 08, 2013, 03:00:05 AM
kokoro's winpose hurts my kokoro
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 08, 2013, 03:05:48 AM

Totally agreed.

(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370660188-mikoioribyjon.gif)

What did you use to make that? I tried Gimp not only does it look weird but the frames overlap.

that's moreso because Suwako Bubble is part of the default movelist anyways. AI never had a problem with the default movelist but when it comes to upgradable or card moves the AI never uses them since the deck can always change. That's why it's even more apparent in HM since every special is in a customizable deck

So the biggest problem is Tasofro not coding AI to adapt to given decks.

I see, but still entertaining enough for me, the AI atleast tries to be smart.

I wish so too since she's one of my favorites, but her playstyle would be quite similar with Futo; The whole breaking plates to activate plate specials remind me of the doll placing, followed by a doll-breaking attack.

HM was made for Alice. Dolls, dolls everywhere. *insert Toy Story meme here*
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 08, 2013, 03:18:16 AM
What did you use to make that? I tried Gimp not only does it look weird but the frames overlap.


'tosh๏p ( ̄ー ̄) I don't use Gimp, but I suppose it's just a matter of experience and practice.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 08, 2013, 03:57:40 AM
My friend and me have this same problem too with netplay, except for we use Hamachi. However, I get a black screen after I win or lose a match but, the HM theme is still playing.

We did use Hamachi for the second match. I don't believe the theme was playing, but I'm not positive. Have to watch out next time. Does that happen to you with everyone, or just that one friend?

Let's try again tomorrow, maybe it was just some random crashes, I personally never experienced this with anyone.
(I'm just thinking about it but... could it be possible that your problem comes from the game's screen resolution?)

Tomorrow is probably not good for me. Sunday is open, but I think I'm booked all day tomorrow.

And it's completely possible it was resolution-based. I didn't have time to tinker with any settings. But since I've never had crashing like this in single player that wouldn't be my first guess. Figure it out eventually I guess. I can try installing it on my backup computer too and see if it happens with that, and at some point I can try different wireless connections. Lots of things to try out.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on June 08, 2013, 03:59:55 AM
Aaaand slight GIF spam time!

(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/4349/byakuren.gif)

(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/3026/ichirin.gif)

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1715/koishiwin.gif)
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Post by: MewMewHeart on June 08, 2013, 04:12:41 AM
We did use Hamachi for the second match. I don't believe the theme was playing, but I'm not positive. Have to watch out next time. Does that happen to you with everyone, or just that one friend?
Just with her at the moment, but one time we did have a good match. I might have to ask my other friends to play with me, but that might be if Tasofro releases the new patch and an English patch comes out.

Aaaand slight GIF spam time!

(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/4349/byakuren.gif)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOING!  :colonveeplusalpha:
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Post by: Hinacle on June 08, 2013, 04:30:01 AM
Why is there no gif of Kokoro's win pose? :~:
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Post by: ElGreko on June 08, 2013, 04:51:15 AM
I'm too busy right now to create one with the source images, but I found this, if it can interest you;

(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370666145-up236158.gif)



Talking about gifs, does anyone have the gif of Orin without the background? (the one made with the source files, or some cut ones)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Starxsword on June 08, 2013, 07:24:08 AM
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Nope, sadly, but I agree with what you said, if you play with the birdbrained bots, you can manage to get some Last Words quite easily, but against human players, it's almost impossible if they know how to play.

Well, they are Last Words and they take like 65% of your opponent's life. So, it is kind of expected for it to be not useable too often.
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Post by: I Am A Fruit on June 08, 2013, 07:25:22 AM
Talking about gifs, does anyone have the gif of Orin without the background? (the one made with the source files, or some cut ones)
(http://i.imgur.com/o0XO2E9.gif)

found this using the Power of Google

it's a bit faster than the actual though
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 08, 2013, 08:20:35 AM
I don't really agree,  there is a difference between using it "often" and almost litterally never.
And if you get the 100%, you still don't have placed it yet, you just "have the permission" to do it, and some of them aren't so easy to execute correctly, even worse, especially when then opponent knows how it works and how to avoid it.
Not to forget that "if you use it at the end of a round and the opponent is still alive", you lose the round, since you lose almost all your popularity (and all of it if you miss or the opponent blocks it).

Also, I already made the same amount of damage (and even more) with some basic spellcards, in certain conditions.
So, it's not even like it's a totally unique and overpowered technique that will define the winner...

Anyway, I'd be glad if I could just use it once against some friends....
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Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 08, 2013, 01:19:56 PM
Something mildly offtopic... and I haven't checked it lately.

Does Reimu's win pose that shows her throwing an amulet at the screen the same one at Double Spoilers?
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Post by: ToyoRai on June 08, 2013, 01:45:40 PM
Something mildly offtopic... and I haven't checked it lately.

Does Reimu's win pose that shows her throwing an amulet at the screen the same one at Double Spoilers?
No. The talisman in DS reads "No Newspaper Solicitations! Thank you" where as the one in HM reads "Religious solicitations rejected!"
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Post by: Kingault on June 08, 2013, 02:54:04 PM
Is there a gif of Futo's win laugh yet?
Probably my favorite win animation.
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Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 08, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
No. The talisman in DS reads "No Newspaper Solicitations! Thank you" where as the one in HM reads "Religious solicitations rejected!"

Should have guessed that much. Thanks for the translation.
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Post by: Athrel on June 08, 2013, 03:14:06 PM
Unless I'm missing something, shouldn't the palanquin ship not be a stage since it was turned into the myouren temple?
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Post by: Kosachi on June 08, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
Unless I'm missing something, shouldn't the palanquin ship not be a stage since it was turned into the myouren temple?
That's why some people are speculating that the Palanquin can switch from the temple back to the ship on the fly. (no pun intended :P)
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Post by: ElGreko on June 08, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o0XO2E9.gif)

found this using the Power of Google

it's a bit faster than the actual though


Ooooooh, thank you so much, friend! I tried to use google a lot of time without finding anything. I love you, Mr.Fruit ( ̄ー ̄)



Is there a gif of Futo's win laugh yet?
Probably my favorite win animation.

This one?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/96a2e2cc4df67f0e5489482aaf5a8fc9/tumblr_mnmmbvL0nb1r4zjplo1_250.gif)
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Post by: ToyoRai on June 08, 2013, 03:50:32 PM
Number 1 rule of Taoism: You must laugh after every victory. Not doing this counts as a sin.

I do find it amusing how both Futo and Miko suddenly have these laughs. Not that they are bad (I can easily imagine Futo having this amazing belly laugh assisting Miko's evil laugh) but still.
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Post by: Sungho on June 08, 2013, 04:30:45 PM
According to the Touhou Moto Neta Wiki,

Almost all of Nitori's Skills and Spell Cards are a reference to old arcade games. Tasofro's blog probably meant this by "ZUN's naming sense"

Mamizou's three Stage 5 spell cards all reference the same game.
In addition, the fake Miko spell also references the phrase Miko says after "Royal Clan's Chaotic Dance", which probably was a reference to said game, anyway.

Totally unrelated, but Cirno says Hata no Kawakatsu's name in the Extra Stage of th128. Don't know if it was supposed to be foreshadowing or not.


Marisa's 6[6]B, Ichirin's spellcards, Koishi failing 66A, Mamizou's Loss by Popularity(The backache one) would be good gifs, I think.


Really amusing to think how the Touhou version of Mononobe Clan's temple burning changed throughout the series.
In th13, it was referenced in a single spellcard, and the historical events are mentioned in her profile.
In Symposium of Post-mysticism, Miko says that Futo said she was afraid of Buddhist statues, and then burn them down.
In th135, in her Story Mode, Futo says that she has a 'profound relationship' with Buddhism. And then considers setting things on fire.


Byakuren regains a bit of spirit if she 'catches' 'used' X bullets. Quite a subtle special ability. I don't think it's mentioned anywhere.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 08, 2013, 05:39:06 PM
According to the Touhou Moto Neta Wiki,

Almost all of Nitori's Skills and Spell Cards are a reference to old arcade games. Tasofro's blog probably meant this by "ZUN's naming sense"

Mamizou's three Stage 5 spell cards all reference the same game.
In addition, the fake Miko spell also references the phrase Miko says after "Royal Clan's Chaotic Dance", which probably was a reference to said game, anyway.

Totally unrelated, but Cirno says Hata no Kawakatsu's name in the Extra Stage of th128. Don't know if it was supposed to be foreshadowing or not.


Marisa's 6[6]B, Ichirin's spellcards, Koishi failing 66A, Mamizou's Loss by Popularity(The backache one) would be good gifs, I think.


Really amusing to think how the Touhou version of Mononobe Clan's temple burning changed throughout the series.
In th13, it was referenced in a single spellcard, and the historical events are mentioned in her profile.
In Symposium of Post-mysticism, Miko says that Futo said she was afraid of Buddhist statues, and then burn them down.
In th135, in her Story Mode, Futo says that she has a 'profound relationship' with Buddhism. And then considers setting things on fire.


Byakuren regains a bit of spirit if she 'catches' 'used' X bullets. Quite a subtle special ability. I don't think it's mentioned anywhere.

You mean the lotus? Interesting, might have done that, but never really noticed the effects. Good catch.
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Post by: Sungho on June 08, 2013, 05:56:13 PM
No, the spinning vajra bullets. When they stop spinning, that is.
I'm not the one who catched them. It was written in one of the Japanese Shinkirou wikis.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 08, 2013, 06:08:13 PM
No, the spinning vajra bullets. When they stop spinning, that is.
I'm not the one who catched them. It was written in one of the Japanese Shinkirou wikis.

Oh... the weak projectile ones. Sounds like something that you can chain with a Buddhist build.
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Post by: Kingault on June 08, 2013, 07:16:46 PM
This one?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/96a2e2cc4df67f0e5489482aaf5a8fc9/tumblr_mnmmbvL0nb1r4zjplo1_250.gif)

I love you.
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Post by: LadyScarlet on June 08, 2013, 09:16:28 PM
I'm trying to upload a video of a strange glitch I found, but the processing is always stuck at 95%. :/

Edit: I was messing around in Practice Mode when this happened. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPstmGkFkCc) I used Miko's Last Word on Byakuren, and, well...
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Post by: Hinacle on June 08, 2013, 09:32:31 PM
I'm trying to upload a video of a strange glitch I found, but the processing is always stuck at 95%. :/

Edit: I was messing around in Practice Mode when this happened. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPstmGkFkCc) I used Miko's Last Word on Byakuren, and, well...

I remember seeing a stream where this happened. I'm trying to remember how to replicate it. Something about pressing either f1, f2, etc, or pausing. It was something like that.  :derp:

E: it can be done with any character. The stream I saw, had it done by Marisa.
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Post by: PhantomSong on June 08, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
(http://oi42.tinypic.com/fmjr5z.jpg)
Kyouko, what the HELL are you doing?

(http://oi44.tinypic.com/14j5dup.jpg)
Just sweeping some grass.
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Post by: Kosachi on June 08, 2013, 10:43:28 PM
I'm trying to upload a video of a strange glitch I found, but the processing is always stuck at 95%. :/

Edit: I was messing around in Practice Mode when this happened. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPstmGkFkCc) I used Miko's Last Word on Byakuren, and, well...
Apperantly stopping time to beat the living crap out of Byaky. Hmmmm sounds mighty familiar!! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CamPXxfl7Lw)
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Post by: LadyScarlet on June 08, 2013, 11:05:58 PM
Apperantly stopping time to beat the living crap out of Byaky. Hmmmm sounds mighty familiar!! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CamPXxfl7Lw)
Miko is the new Dio-Sakuya.
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Post by: Shizzo on June 08, 2013, 11:51:36 PM
The time stopping glitch?  Everyone can do it.  You just gotta declare a spellcard and then press F1 (restart) while the screen is stopped and your character's cut-in shows.  That makes all bullets stop in their place until you declare again.  Only works in practice mode, of course, but it can make some pretty fun moments. (Futo's 50-boat armada slamming whoever you choose on the face anyone?)
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Post by: ElGreko on June 09, 2013, 02:26:16 AM
Oh, I didn't know that, even if not very useful, this is kinda fun!


By the way, talking about Sakuya, she doesn't seem to appreciate the dancing Orin's gifs around the web.

(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370744665-sakuyascaredbyjon.gif)
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Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 09, 2013, 02:33:41 AM
By the way, talking about Sakuya, she doesn't seem to appreciate the dancing Orin's gifs around the web.

(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370744665-sakuyascaredbyjon.gif)

I died.
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 03:35:54 AM
(http://oi42.tinypic.com/fmjr5z.jpg)
Kyouko, what the HELL are you doing?

(http://oi44.tinypic.com/14j5dup.jpg)
Just sweeping some grass.
It's a Tanuki. Everyone on that stage is a tanuki cheering for Mamizou. They reveal themselves in the night version of the stage.
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 09, 2013, 04:18:37 AM
I am wondering when and why Tasofro decided that Nitori was not merely irritable and reclusive but insanely brash and borderline antisocial.
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 04:27:04 AM
It's a Tanuki. Everyone on that stage is a tanuki cheering for Mamizou. They reveal themselves in the night version of the stage.

Well, yeah, but it's still silly for one of them to be sweeping grass. It's like trying to sweep a mountain, it's hilarious and weird for anyone watching.
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 04:51:31 AM
I am wondering when and why Tasofro decided that Nitori was not merely irritable and reclusive but insanely brash and borderline antisocial.
ZUN writes the dialog. I assume. I mean, if he's naming the spellcards, it seems like they're going out of their way to include him in the writing. SoPM says she's arrogant and looks down on others, so it's not unreasonable.
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 09, 2013, 04:54:21 AM
ZUN writes the dialog. I assume. I mean, if he's naming the spellcards, it seems like they're going out of their way to include him in the writing. SoPM says she's arrogant and looks down on others, so it's not unreasonable.

Terrific. Way to write meaningful conflict, ZUN. :V
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 04:56:59 AM
Terrific. Way to write meaningful conflict, ZUN. :V
What meaningful conflict? The whole thing was never supposed to be a meaningful conflict. The "religious war" was basically resolved in SoPM when they sat down and talked to each other. HM is just about Kokoro's power going out of control and a bunch of people trying to take advantage of it.
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 09, 2013, 05:01:50 AM
What meaningful conflict? The whole thing was never supposed to be a meaningful conflict. The "religious war" was basically resolved in SoPM when they sat down and talked to each other. HM is just about Kokoro's power going out of control and a bunch of people trying to take advantage of it.

I was joking. I was using sarcasm.

You see, between her awkward moveset/powers and her bad attitude (without Seiga's class or Tenshi's bravado, at that), I'm not exactly thrilled that she made it in and not, say, Momiji. Or even one of the Aki sisters as an obligatory joke character.

All of the other characters in HM have at least some sort of interesting angle and interaction with the rest of the playables. Nitori just comes across as highly self-centered and with no real goal beyond ripping off or annoying as many people as possible.

The punchline is that I am annoyed that she made it into the game and that fan demand apparently requested it despite her developing an increasingly terrible personality, when there were other MoF/Tengu Mountain characters that could have filled her slot.
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 05:06:39 AM
I was joking. I was using sarcasm.

You see, between her awkward moveset/powers and her bad attitude (without Seiga's class or Tenshi's bravado, at that), I'm not exactly thrilled that she made it in and not, say, Momiji. Or even one of the Aki sisters as an obligatory joke character.

All of the other characters in HM have at least some sort of interesting angle and interaction with the rest of the playables. Nitori just comes across as highly self-centered and with no real goal beyond ripping off or annoying as many people as possible.
Honestly, Nitori feels more relevant to me than Ichirin or Futo. Those two literally have no purpose whatsoever, since they're just Byakuren and Miko's lackeys who don't accomplish anything. You could write them out of the story with no changes whatsoever. At least Nitori does something that gets referred to in Kokoro's character development.

Well, I take that back, Ichirin added that funny bit about fighting for the title of the strongest.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 09, 2013, 05:09:23 AM
Honestly, Nitori feels more relevant to me than Ichirin or Futo. Those two literally have no purpose whatsoever, since they're just Byakuren and Miko's lackeys who don't accomplish anything. You could write them out of the story with no changes whatsoever. At least Nitori does something that gets referred to in Kokoro's character development.

Well, I take that back, Ichirin added that funny bit about fighting for the title of the strongest.

Where and what does Kokoro say?

And Hinacle and I would like to politely disagree with you on Ichirin and Futo not being relevant, so I request that you not speak in such absolutes since there is obviously not consensus here.
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 05:11:04 AM
Honestly, Nitori feels more relevant to me than Ichirin or Futo. Those two literally have no purpose whatsoever, since they're just Byakuren and Miko's lackeys who don't accomplish anything. You could write them out of the story with no changes whatsoever. At least Nitori does something that gets referred to in Kokoro's character development.

Well, I take that back, Ichirin added that funny bit about fighting for the title of the strongest.

She does...? Are you talking about Kokoro understanding why people in Gensokyo fight?

And Hinacle and I would like to politely disagree with you on Ichirin and Futo not being relevant, so I request that you not speak in such absolutes since there is obviously not consensus here.

This. Saying "Byakuren and Miko's lackeys who don't accomplish anything. You could write them out of the story with no changes whatsoever." is going too far.
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 05:14:41 AM
Where and what does Kokoro say?

And Hinacle and I would like to politely disagree with you on Ichirin and Futo not being relevant, so I request that you not speak in such absolutes since there is obviously not consensus here.
What part of "feels... to me" makes you think I'm talking in absolutes? The fact about the writing of the story is just a fact though. Seriously, just delete every scene including them and the plot still makes perfect sense. As seen in their endings they literally accomplish nothing. Except the bit about the title for the strongest.

By contrast, the fact that Nitori was selling masks to Kokoro at the shrine was the key to Mamizou's realization that Miko and Byakuren's solutions weren't working.
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 05:18:48 AM
What part of "feels... to me" makes you think I'm talking in absolutes? The fact about the writing of the story is just a fact though. Seriously, just delete every scene including them and the plot still makes perfect sense. Except the bit about the title for the strongest.

By contrast, the fact that Nitori was selling masks to Kokoro at the shrine was the key to Mamizou's realization that Miko and Byakuren's solutions weren't working.
I'm sorry, but how did the masks help? The only interaction Mamizou and Nitori get is during Nitori's story mode and I don't see any mention of the fact that she sells masks helped Mamizou reach that conclusion? Is it in one of the endings?
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 05:20:29 AM
I'm sorry, but how did the masks help? The only interaction Mamizou and Nitori get is during Nitori's story mode and I don't see any mention of the fact that she sells masks helped Mamizou reach that conclusion? Is it in one of the endings?
She talks to Reimu about it. Because Nitori set up her stall at Reimu's shrine. Which is what she spent the route accomplishing. Unlike Futo and Ichirin who literally do nothing except waste a bunch of time. That is an actual fact about their routes. They accomplish nothing, and their endings make a joke about it.
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 05:26:46 AM
She talks to Reimu about it. Because Nitori set up her stall at Reimu's shrine. Which is what she spent the route accomplishing. Unlike Futo and Ichirin who literally do nothing except waste a bunch of time. That is an actual fact about their routes. They accomplish nothing, and their endings make a joke about it.

Oooh, now I see mention of it. I wasn't paying attention to Reimu's part in Mami's scenario. At some point, the main reason why I feel that Nitori is forced is because she has no real reason to be involved or was expected to be involved like Marisa. Futo and Ichirin are as you said, lackeys for Byakuren and Miko. They have a connection to the whole religious theme. Koishi has ties to Kokoro because she found the mask of hope, but Nitori was accidently involved. As least it comes off to me that way because Mamizou says:
Quote
I see, you wanted to pull out.
To pull out everyone's shirikodama.
(which is semi-true)
Quote
If a nonreligious youkai is fine,
then even I have a chance.
Quote
I was actually hoping to resolve this mess by having someone be a sacrifice,
but instead I get this faithless kappa.
I suppose interesting things do happen.
Wait. Was Mamizou going to make someone become a mask of hope?!

And I think the part where Al was referring to absolutes was when you said this:
Those two literally have no purpose whatsoever, since they're just Byakuren and Miko's lackeys who don't accomplish anything. You could write them out of the story with no changes whatsoever.

It just comes off as bit too harshly worded imo.
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 05:34:19 AM
Oooh, now I see mention of it. I wasn't paying attention to Reimu's part in Mami's scenario. At some point, the main reason why I feel that Nitori is forced is because she has no real reason to be involved or was expected to be involved like Marisa. Futo and Ichirin are as you said, lackeys for Byakuren and Miko. They have a connection to the whole religious theme. Koishi has ties to Kokoro because she found the mask of hope, but Nitori was accidently involved. As least it comes off to me that way because Mamizou says: (which is semi-true)Wait. Was Mamizou going to make someone become a mask of hope?!
Well, maybe she was forced, and I won't deny that, but she was better integrated into the story than the others. It kinda makes sense that Futo would participate (Ichirin not so much since it required her to intentionally ignore Byakuren's orders), but on the other hand if they weren't here we wouldn't feel like we were missing anything, assuming other characters replaced them to keep the total count the same.

Marisa also seems kind of forced for the same reasons as Nitori (actually, Nitori acts a lot like Marisa, except less funny, she even uses "da ze" once), but I suppose it just wouldn't be Touhou without Marisa.
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 09, 2013, 05:36:02 AM
Well, maybe she was forced, and I won't deny that, but she was better integrated into the story than the others. It kinda makes sense that Futo would participate (Ichirin not so much since it required her to intentionally ignore Byakuren's orders), but on the other hand if they weren't here we wouldn't feel like we were missing anything, assuming other characters replaced them to keep the total count the same.

Given Ichirin seems to have gotten somewhat more aggressive I think Ichirin ignoring Byakuren's orders seems within the realm of possibility.

And trust me, some of us feel the game's already missing some vital things as is. :V
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 05:36:38 AM
Given Ichirin seems to have gotten somewhat more aggressive I think Ichirin ignoring Byakuren's orders seems within the realm of possibility.

And trust me, some of us feel the game's already missing some vital things as is. :V
Well, would you complain if we had Momiji instead of Futo?
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 09, 2013, 05:40:18 AM
Well, would you complain if we had Momiji instead of Futo?

Probably, because then we wouldn't have a balanced amount of playable Buddhists versus playable number of Taoists.

Admittedly I didn't know the holy-war-such-as-it-was basically began and ended with SoPM. That was a lot of text to read and I mainly was looking at the character profiles.
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 05:42:27 AM
Well, maybe she was forced, and I won't deny that, but she was better integrated into the story than the others. It kinda makes sense that Futo would participate (Ichirin not so much since it required her to intentionally ignore Byakuren's orders), but on the other hand if they weren't here we wouldn't feel like we were missing anything, assuming other characters replaced them to keep the total count the same.

Ichirin definitely struck me as off because even Mamizou!Byakuren calls her out on her order disobeying.
Now that I look at it, Futo was following Miko's mindset of helping the humans albeit in a less beat-y kind of way and in a more peaceful talking it out way. The only thing I can say for sure that Futo contributed story-wise and character development-wise is that Miko and Futo have different views on how to handle things. Miko was like "I shall beat you to prove my religion is superior!" while Futo is trying to bring them the religions together to solve the incident rather than trying to split them up and handle it individually. Also that Ichirin is very anti-Tao. Kokoro-wise she brings nothin' to the table.
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Post by: ElGreko on June 09, 2013, 06:16:57 AM
It's a Tanuki. Everyone on that stage is a tanuki cheering for Mamizou. They reveal themselves in the night version of the stage.

Are you sure? This is what you believe or it's written somewhere?
Almost all tanukis are keeping their tail when changing form.
I personally believe people are just gathering here to assist the match and leaving in the night...

Furthermore, tanukis couldn't know every person's personnality and copy them, like parsee staying far from the group because she's jealous.

By the way, this could be true too, but I don't really think so, can anyone confirm?



(http://oi42.tinypic.com/fmjr5z.jpg)
Kyouko, what the HELL are you doing?

(http://oi44.tinypic.com/14j5dup.jpg)
Just sweeping some grass.

I laughed by the way, I always wondered what was she doing there, maybe she loves too much her broom and keeps the habit to use it all the time...
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 06:20:54 AM
Are you sure? This is what you believe or it's written somewhere?
Almost all tanukis are keeping their tail when changing form.
I personally believe people are just gathering here to assist the match and leaving in the night...

Furthermore, tanukis couldn't know every person's personnality and copy them, like parsee staying far from the group because she's jealous.

By the way, this could be true too, but I don't really think so, can anyone confirm?
Reimu's story states that they are Tanuki.
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 06:22:13 AM
Are you sure? This is what you believe or it's written somewhere?
Almost all tanukis are keeping their tail when changing form.
I personally believe people are just gathering here to assist the match and leaving in the night...

Furthermore, tanukis couldn't know every person's personnality and copy them, like parsee staying far from the group because she's jealous.

By the way, this could be true too, but I don't really think so, can anyone confirm?
It's what most of the earlier story routes say, isn't it? Mamizou (in disguise) mysteriously has 100% popularity and the characters complain that no one's supporting them anymore. Then it switches to night and the tanuki come out, which is sort of an "aha" moment.

The later story routes kind of ignore it since the characters don't care about popularity very much.
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Post by: ElGreko on June 09, 2013, 06:29:00 AM
Oh, thanks for the informations, I still can't read the stories because my computer doesn't read the characters, I don't know why, I can see and read everything but the comic-like dialogs between the matches.
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 06:30:57 AM
Oh, thanks for the informations, I still can't read the stories because my computer doesn't read the characters, I don't know why, I can see and read everything but the comic-like dialogs between the matches.

All the stories are translated on the wiki so you can read them there.
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Post by: ToyoRai on June 09, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Almost all tanukis are keeping their tail when changing form.
Tanukis can change the size of their tail when disguising, meaning that they can disguise as humans quite easily

Also, am I the only one who has noticed that Kyouko's appearance has changed a bit? Her hair is green instead of teal and her dress has shorter sleeves.
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Post by: Aya Reiko on June 09, 2013, 06:42:41 AM
I'm trying to upload a video of a strange glitch I found, but the processing is always stuck at 95%. :/

Edit: I was messing around in Practice Mode when this happened. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPstmGkFkCc) I used Miko's Last Word on Byakuren, and, well...
side note-- That's the first time I noticed both Aya and Hatate at Byakuren's stage.  I wonder who takes the picture at the end...?
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Post by: Clarste on June 09, 2013, 06:53:26 AM
side note-- That's the first time I noticed both Aya and Hatate at Byakuren's stage.  I wonder who takes the picture at the end...?
Aya's been taking pictures of herself (and speech bubbles, and people's imaginations, and...) ever since BAiJR. I think we can assume either a separation between what we see and the supposed narrative justification for it, or that she has a magic camera. Magic!
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Post by: Hinacle on June 09, 2013, 07:06:01 AM
Aya's been taking pictures of herself (and speech bubbles, and people's imaginations, and...) ever since BAiJR. I think we can assume either a separation between what we see and the supposed narrative justification for it, or that she has a magic camera. Magic!
This is my new headcanon
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Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 09, 2013, 07:32:33 AM
Well, yeah, but it's still silly for one of them to be sweeping grass. It's like trying to sweep a mountain, it's hilarious and weird for anyone watching.

Guess they go at great lengths to try to trick people.
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Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 09, 2013, 07:52:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dGk1ecc.gif)
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Post by: ElGreko on June 09, 2013, 07:57:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dGk1ecc.gif)

Oh, talking about Orin...
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370764465-orindancebyjon.gif)

(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370802854-duoorindancebyjon.gif)

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Post by: Starxsword on June 09, 2013, 09:07:03 AM
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Where and what does Kokoro say?

After fighitng with Ichirin, Kokoro starts challenging people for the title of the strongest. By the end of Hopeless Masquerade, she has 7 or 9 strongest titles. Depending if you count the final fight as 1 title or 3 titles, since she beats up 3 people at once.

Quote
Furthermore, tanukis couldn't know every person's personnality and copy them, like parsee staying far from the group because she's jealous.

Look at the positions of some of the characters. Sunny Milk is afraid of Lily White, she would unlikely be in the same location as Lily White. Satori, Utsuho and Rin aren't grouped together.
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Post by: Aqua Soo on June 09, 2013, 09:12:07 AM
The way I see it Nitori is representing the business/technology/Kappa faction that doesn't give a damn about religions.
In the endings, we see Hijiri (Buddhism) and Miko (Taoism) providing their solutions to Kokoro's problem. Nitori also provides a solution: buy masks from my stall. CAPITALISM, HO!

As for her awful personality, it was hinted earlier in SoPM. Dialogues in shooters are succinct and don't show that much about Nitori's personality anyway.

Speaking of Nitori, I gave up trying to beat lunatic story mode with Nitori. Non-rechargeable energy + long battles in Story mode don't mix well AT ALL. Oh and losing one life doesn't recharge energy. Oh and Nitori's spell cards are terrible for story mode. GL HF.
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Post by: ElGreko on June 09, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
Look at the positions of some of the characters. Sunny Milk is afraid of Lily White, she would unlikely be in the same location as Lily White. Satori, Utsuho and Rin aren't grouped together.

Lol... that doesn't make any sense, Sunny is not afraid of Lily, she just was once but this didn't last.
And they are also together on their original stage too (where they aren't tanukis).

And I don't find Okuu, Orin and Satori are so far from each other, they're even closer than in Satori's manor's stage, and anyway, that doesn't mean anything.
Furthermore, Sanae is with Suwako, Tenshi is with Iku, etc... so everything is normal.


The only hint we can take is that there are 20 characters on the first stage and 20 tanukis by night.
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Post by: Savory on June 09, 2013, 03:54:55 PM
Now I really can't  wait for an English patch, haha.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tiamat on June 09, 2013, 04:21:40 PM
In many fighting games, the lackey character either provides no real plot significance, usually with a joke ending, or betrays the boss character, I've found. Futo and Ichirin are merely going along with what these types of characters usually have for a story in fighting games. If anything, the fact that their routes acknowledge how they were completely worthless might be a lampshade hanging on how worthless the lackey character usually is to the storyline of a fighting game. That said, in terms of storyline, I'd rather have a lackey character that doesn't contribute to the overall plot than a character who isn't connected to anyone at all and doesn't contribute to the main plot (which fighting games are absolutely filled with, these days). I don't think Nitori particularly falls under this category though since if anything, she at least has a purpose in symbolizing a character who really hates all this religious hallabaloo going on. Marisa probably does, though.

In terms of gameplay, however, it's natural for most fighting games to have characters who contribute nothing to the plot and aren't really connected to anything significant, if only to fill out the roster with more characters to play as as well as tradition.  Again, Marisa.

After all, as the cast gets larger, you can't have everyone be plot relevant. Take a look at Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, where a vast majority of characters were just joke routes or had storylines taht really could have been removed and the overall story wouldn't have changed much.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 09, 2013, 06:58:54 PM
Why is there no gif of Kokoro's win pose? :~:
I'm too busy right now to create one with the source images, but I found this, if it can interest you;
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370666145-up236158.gif)
Here
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/23/1370804100-kokoro.gif)

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Lukesky180 on June 09, 2013, 09:33:49 PM
I noticed something. Dunno if anyone else has already noticed it?

If you are in VS CPU mode and you have already won a match by actually reducing the enemy's healthbar to 0, and you win a match through popularity only after that, the newspaper that shows up will have the picture of the match you won through killing rather than the match through popularity. If the popularity win match is first, it will just show a picture of the winning girl's pose.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 09, 2013, 09:41:21 PM
I think it's one another random bug, since the "newpaper's picture" is really bugged.
This already happened to me, or some pic showing the one from the previous match, or even sometimes the pic being totally black.
Generally when I close and I restart the game, everything's going normally after.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Starxsword on June 10, 2013, 01:37:05 AM
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Lol... that doesn't make any sense, Sunny is not afraid of Lily, she just was once but this didn't last.
And they are also together on their original stage too (where they aren't tanukis).

According to the 3 Fairies manga, Sunny Milk is afraid of Lily White.
When is Sunny Milk in the same stage as Lily White? Could you tell me which stage is this?

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And I don't find Okuu, Orin and Satori are so far from each other, they're even closer than in Satori's manor's stage, and anyway, that doesn't mean anything.

Well, they are above ground, so that means something. We know they are a group and unlike in Chireiden(Palace of Earth Spirits), these are people they do not recognize, so you would expect them to be together as a group.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 10, 2013, 03:16:08 AM
According to the 3 Fairies manga, Sunny Milk is afraid of Lily White.
When is Sunny Milk in the same stage as Lily White? Could you tell me which stage is this?

Well, they are above ground, so that means something. We know they are a group and unlike in Chireiden(Palace of Earth Spirits), these are people they do not recognize, so you would expect them to be together as a group.

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Sunny is not afraid of Lily, she just was once but this didn't last.

As I said, she was sort of afraid but it didn't last and they became close to each other.
This is the stage you asked for ( ̄ー ̄)
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/24/1370833388-0.png (http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/24/1370833388-0.png)

(By the way, I didn't understand what you tried to say about Orin, Okuu and Satori, I don't see what's bothering you with them, but nevermind.)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Starxsword on June 10, 2013, 05:10:23 AM
I see, I did not realize Lily White was there.

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(By the way, I didn't understand what you tried to say about Orin, Okuu and Satori, I don't see what's bothering you with them, but nevermind.)

Well, you have Orin, Okuu, then Kyouko, then Satori. Since they are underground youkai that don't know the above ground people, I find it odd that they are separated, that's all.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Lite?彼女 on June 10, 2013, 06:20:40 AM
well im dam late in noticing this one came out lol. time to buy
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 10, 2013, 07:29:40 AM
I unlocked Mamijou by beating the game with every girl. I assume clearing with her has no impact on the game right?

Also what happens if I, who has unlocked her, tries to play vs someone through netplay. Would my opponent automatically have her as well (if he/she doesn't have her unlocked yet)?

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 10, 2013, 07:55:19 AM
I unlocked Mamijou by beating the game with every girl. I assume clearing with her has no impact on the game right?

Also what happens if I, who has unlocked her, tries to play vs someone through netplay. Would my opponent automatically have her as well (if he/she doesn't have her unlocked yet)?

If you finished the story mode with Mamizou, you will unlock Kokoro's story mode (that should technically unlock her too if you clear it, but it still doesn't work for several people.)

And if you play with someone who doesn't have her, you won't be able to select her against him, sadly. Here's some quotes of a similar question:


Question, if I don't have Mamizou (since I haven't really touched story mode yet) will that affect if the opponent can use her?
Yes it will, if you don't have Mamizou or Kokoro (I managed to unlock Kokoro too in every game mod, even if she still doesn't have any skills or spells), if your friend unlocked them, he won't be able to use them against you.

To use one of the two secret characters, both players need to have them unlocked. And this is really frustrating, because I know a lot of people who haven't unlocked them ( —︿— ) (but fortunately, I sent my savegame to most of them in order to select the characters)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 10, 2013, 07:57:54 AM
Ah, in that case I'll play with Mamijou tonight and unlock Kokoro's story mode. I was indeed getting some faint signals of people mentioning Kokoro but showing weird bugs/behaviour. Although that was due to words like cheatengine and such being dropped. I didn't want to use any of that nor get someone elses .dat to get the chars. Otherwise the game is pretty meaningless for me.

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 10, 2013, 08:01:40 AM
Ah, in that case I'll play with Mamijou tonight and unlock Kokoro's story mode. I was indeed getting some faint signals of people mentioning Kokoro but showing weird bugs/behaviour. Although that was due to words like cheatengine and such being dropped. I didn't want to use any of that nor get someone elses .dat to get the chars. Otherwise the game is pretty meaningless for me.
As far as I know, Kokoro's route is always unlocked. And this is probably intentional, not a bug, because otherwise the story would remain incomplete. I mean, the game needs an ending after all. She just has no decks or spellcards. So only basic attacks.

Unlocking her in versus mode seems to be a  bug though.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 10, 2013, 08:09:25 AM
I was indeed getting some faint signals of people mentioning Kokoro but showing weird bugs/behaviour.

Well, the only weird behavior she does have is the fact that she doesn't have any skills or spellcards, so basically, her C works like B, and her Z works like Y.
But she' still enjoyable to play, since she has some extremely powered chaining abilities, especially in corners, and you can still win without skills or spellcards against human players (and also because she's really cute.)

Although that was due to words like cheatengine and such being dropped. I didn't want to use any of that nor get someone elses .dat to get the chars. Otherwise the game is pretty meaningless for me.

Well, a friend of mine unlocked her just by playing normally most likely due to a bug, at least that's what he says. Maybe he's lying, but someone else here said something quite similar.
But yeah, I totally assume you want to get your chars by your own way, you can still clear Kokoro's story mode and see what happens for you, and wait the full release of her ( ̄ー ̄).
(I hope they'll release her soon!)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 10, 2013, 08:18:48 AM
As far as I know, Kokoro's rout eis always unlocked.
I am quite sure I cannot select her in story mode, same like Mamijou before meeting the requirements.

So she has no cards/specials. Well that is fine, perhaps a challenge. I am playing it on easy/normal mode or something. To be honest, 13.5 is the first fighting game I found charming enough to actually play through. I haven't beaten any other fightings games so extensively. Well, maybe kicking Tenshi's ass in 10.5 but that is about it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 10, 2013, 09:09:16 AM
I am quite sure I cannot select her in story mode, same like Mamijou before meeting the requirements.

I think he was meaning that her story mode is always unlockable ( ?‿‿? ) .

To be honest, 13.5 is the first fighting game I found charming enough to actually play through. I haven't beaten any other fightings games so extensively. Well, maybe kicking Tenshi's ass in 10.5 but that is about it.

Well, Shinkirou is a quite special game that doesn't look like any other fighting game; so, people could either love or hate it, but yeah, it's an interesting game and very fun to play with friends.
But Hisoutensoku (with the 20 characters) was an excellent game too (that has for me the best [or one of the best] fighting gameplay over all classicals 2D fighting games ever.)
Anyway, everyone has his own tastes for everything ( ̄ー ̄).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 10, 2013, 09:40:01 AM
:V It sounded as if has to be unlocked from the start. Mainly due to the word: Unlocked instead of Unlockable.

Actually, I am generally not much of heavy gamer any more. Clearing normal and perhaps ex for some games satisfies me. I usually don't invest much time in the fighters nor shmups. Though netplay is quite fun. Pitty too much dependant on Peer2Peer style connections.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 10, 2013, 09:42:46 AM
I have Kokoro in Story (and finished it) but can't use her in VS mode. I assume that's how far most can play with her.

Also, got 8 of the characters finished via lunatic. Working on Nitori, but her ammo counter means that I cannot rely on distance fighting when it comes to spell card sections. Worse off when I'll have to face Mamizou and her auto-attacking spell cards.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 10, 2013, 10:31:56 AM
I think he was meaning that her story mode is always unlockable ( ?‿‿? ) .
Er... yeah. That's what I meant. I had "unlocked when you beat Mamizou's route" in my mind and omitted the relevant part. Poorly worded.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Ciel on June 10, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
I have Kokoro in Story (and finished it) but can't use her in VS mode. I assume that's how far most can play with her.

Also, got 8 of the characters finished via lunatic. Working on Nitori, but her ammo counter means that I cannot rely on distance fighting when it comes to spell card sections. Worse off when I'll have to face Mamizou and her auto-attacking spell cards.
Strange, I could play Kokoro in VS just fine...

(http://i.imgur.com/SuVbkzW.jpg)

Right there.  I think I unlocked her after I'm done with Mamizou. D8;;
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 10, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
I wonder if this has something to do with people's patching status?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 10, 2013, 12:22:02 PM
Same thing I am wondering. I didn't unlock Mamijou yet. I patched to 1.02 pretty much when it came out. So I unlocked her in 1.02. I'll play tonight and confirm my experience.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 10, 2013, 12:40:18 PM
By the way, I was wondering... why do you call her Mamijou ? ( ?‿‿? )
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 10, 2013, 01:16:10 PM
Different Romanization systems treat that group of syllables differently. Some use za/zi/zu/ze/zo, others use ja/ji/ju/je/jo.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 10, 2013, 01:27:11 PM
Are you sure? "Zou" is written ゾウ or ぞう ; "jou" is written ジョウ, ジョー or じょう. Am I misunderstanding anything?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 10, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
Are you sure? "Zou" is written ゾウ or ぞう ; "jou" is written ジョウ, ジョー or じょう. Am I misunderstanding anything?
No, you're right.

The confusion is that way the Japanese syllabary works is that characters are organized by consonant sound and the five vowel sounds. So a-i-u-e-o, ka-ki-ku-ke-ko, etc. It also has this little things where consonants become voiced (this is a linguistic term) by adding two little marks. ka-ki-ku-ke-ko becomes ga-gi-gu-ge-go with these marks. Of course, almost no language is perfectly regular. Once it gets to 's', it becomes sa-shi-su-se-so. There is simply no way to write 'si' in Japanese. The more common romanization makes it 'shi' to help people pronounce it, but certain more formal systems write 'si' to preserve the regularity (that doesn't actually exist) at the expense of readability. And then, once they become they become voiced, it's za-ji-zu-ze-zo. Which is where we get Reiuzi, Huziwara ('fu' is also irregular), Toziko, and other irregular romanizations. Amusingly, the Japanese actualy recognize that 'sh' and 'j' are different sounds and have more complicated ways to write 'ja' and 'jo' and whatnot by using small version of the 'y' syllables combined with 'ji'. Sometimes written as sya or jya.

However, that only applies to the 'i' vowel sound. 'zo' is perfectly normal and shouldn't have any romanization confusion. Mamijou is just wrong.

...not sure if this explanation makes any sense.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 10, 2013, 03:02:26 PM
Ok, just finished Nitori @ lunatic, I find Taoism build to be most useful for me. The Pipebombs (expensive but extremely powerful) are great for those static spell card moments (that includes Mamizou's 1st spell card & Kokoro's last one) as well as those rapid moving enemies (Marisa is the primary culprit). 2 Saipan Spell Cards are also great and does roughly 70% of their life bar if they get caught up in the combo and continues through (though you can be knocked out of it, so be careful when you use it). Best of all is the primary shot type, which is a double straight shot that hits opponents fast, while her secondary fire works like a focused fire pulse rifle.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: TrueShadow on June 10, 2013, 05:01:57 PM
No, you're right.

The confusion is that way the Japanese syllabary works is that characters are organized by consonant sound and the five vowel sounds. So a-i-u-e-o, ka-ki-ku-ke-ko, etc. It also has this little things where consonants become voiced (this is a linguistic term) by adding two little marks. ka-ki-ku-ke-ko becomes ga-gi-gu-ge-go with these marks. Of course, almost no language is perfectly regular. Once it gets to 's', it becomes sa-shi-su-se-so. There is simply no way to write 'si' in Japanese. The more common romanization makes it 'shi' to help people pronounce it, but certain more formal systems write 'si' to preserve the regularity (that doesn't actually exist) at the expense of readability. And then, once they become they become voiced, it's za-ji-zu-ze-zo. Which is where we get Reiuzi, Huziwara ('fu' is also irregular), Toziko, and other irregular romanizations. Amusingly, the Japanese actualy recognize that 'sh' and 'j' are different sounds and have more complicated ways to write 'ja' and 'jo' and whatnot by using small version of the 'y' syllables combined with 'ji'. Sometimes written as sya or jya.

However, that only applies to the 'i' vowel sound. 'zo' is perfectly normal and shouldn't have any romanization confusion. Mamijou is just wrong.

...not sure if this explanation makes any sense.

There's also the t-line, which goes:

ta - chi - tsu - te -to,

and when "voiced", turns to:

da - ji - zu - de -do

The bolded ones are near indistinguishable in pronounciation as the s-line
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 10, 2013, 05:28:18 PM
You learn something new every day. Correction then:

Managed to clear the game with Mamizou. Unlocked Kokoro in story mode and cleared with her as well. Unfortunately, cannot play her in VS mode orz.

Makes me wonder how the non-cheaters have unlocked her. Straight from 1.00 or 1.01 or 1.02?

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: PhantomSong on June 10, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
Different Romanization systems treat that group of syllables differently. Some use za/zi/zu/ze/zo, others use ja/ji/ju/je/jo.
Other examples are:
Saigyouji/Saigyouzi and Shameimaru/Syameimaru
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: WHMZakeri on June 11, 2013, 01:21:23 AM
After fighitng with Ichirin, Kokoro starts challenging people for the title of the strongest. By the end of Hopeless Masquerade, she has 7 or 9 strongest titles.

Man, Its a shame Yuka and Cirno aren't playable.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kingault on June 11, 2013, 03:25:25 AM
Man, Its a shame Yuka and Cirno aren't playable.


Some of the characters in the PC-98 games(especially PoDD) say that they're the strongest as well.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: WHMZakeri on June 11, 2013, 03:30:09 AM
I never realized there were so many titles of the Strongest.
I feel like I've unlocked a brand new understanding of this world.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 12, 2013, 09:44:47 AM
The 3rd patch has been released ( ̄ー ̄) .
But still no Kokoro ⌐_⌐‘ .


PS: they don't even talk about her in their last blog entry, I hate them.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kosachi on June 12, 2013, 10:19:16 AM
The 3rd patch has been released ( ̄ー ̄) .
But still no Kokoro ⌐_⌐? .


PS: they don't even talk about her in their last blog entry, I hate them.
Does anyone have the patch notes?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fsvgm777 on June 12, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
Yep (untranslated):

<システム>
   ・アニメーション不具合を修正
   ・プラクティスのリセット処理不具合を修正
   ・一部の攻撃の演出中に時間切れになるとゲームが止まる不具合を修正
   ・時間切れ決着時にスナップショットが正常に撮影されない不具合を修正
   ・プラクティスモードの受身方向が簡易プラクティスでも影響していた不具合を修正
   ・攻撃側が画面端を背負っている状態でのチキンガードでも間合いが離れるように調整
   ・上下吹き飛びやられにキャラクター毎の不正な差が生じていたため、共通の動きとなるように調整
   ・カウンターヒット時のヒットストップ延長を削除
   ・画面外の滞在を続けると人気が低下し始めるように変更
   ・ダッシュの入力時、二度目の方向キーを入れ続けると入力受理が延長されるように変更
   ・CZキーで入力した技が成立しなかった場合、何も技が出ないように変更
   ・ステージとBGMをランダム選択時にBGMを固定するように変更

<アイテム>
   ・魔女の箒を相手に背を向けて使用した時にバックダッシュが出ていた不具合を修正
   ・厳つがましい笏のチャージ維持は時間切れ、決着で停止するように調整

<霧雨魔理沙>
   ・ラストワードを特定キャラクターに当てると強制終了する不具合を修正
   ・上強打を上空で出した際に出始めに自然落下影響を受けるように調整

<聖白蓮>
   ・弱射撃がグレイズできない事がある不具合を修正
   ・上に移動している際にダッシュA、AAAの横ブレーキが強いままであった不具合を修正
   ・上強打を上空で出した際に出始めに自然落下影響を受けるように調整

<物部布都>
   ・チャージオーラの不具合を修正
   ・皿の設置範囲に上下の制限を追加。置かれた皿は範囲内に戻るよう移動します
   ・下強打を上空で出した際に出始めに自然落下影響を受けるように調整
   ・天の磐舟を出した際に高度が高いと終了時のジャンプ高度が低くなるように調整

<豊聡耳神子>
   ・ラウンド移行時にマントの表示が戻らないことがある不具合を修正
   ・強射撃の一部に相殺判定がない不具合を修正
   ・人気増減影響の不具合を修正

<河城にとり>
   ・菊一文字コンプレッサーの爆風に攻撃がヒットする不具合を修正
   ・上強打を上空で出した際に降下を経由して発動するように調整

<古明地こいし>
   ・X射撃に被弾判定がついている不具合を修正
   ・攻撃が強制発動する際、霊力が0以下だと不正な処理を行うことがある不具合を修正
   ・攻撃の強制発動は霊力が0以下の状態でも行われるように調整

<二ッ岩マミゾウ>
   ・チャージオーラの不具合を修正
   ・AA8Aの移動、効果音タイミングの不具合を修正

(copied from history.txt)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 12, 2013, 10:43:04 AM
Based on how much Chinese I can read (which is to say poorly), they appear to be balance changes. Yeah, no Kokoro spell cards yet.

Ok, used Google Translate for this (some have faulty translations, esp the names, have to retype them):

<System>
   - Fixed animation bug
   - Fixed the reset process failure of practice
   - Fixed a bug where the game stops and the time expires for the direction of the attack of some
   - Fixed a bug that snapshot is not taken properly expires at settlement
   - Fixed a bug that passive direction of the practice mode is also affected by simple practices
   -Reach adjustment is away in the chicken guard in the state where the attacker is carrying a screen edge
   ? Since the illegal of character each has occurred to be done blown off up and down, adjusted so that the movement of common
   ? Delete hit stop extension of counter hit
   And changes in popularity as begins to decrease and continue to stay off-screen
   -Change input acceptance to be extended when entering the dash, and continue into the direction key for the second time
   ? If a skill that you entered in CZ key is not satisfied, change the skill no longer appears nothing
   - Modified to fix the BGM randomly selected the BGM and stage

<Item>
   - Fixed a bug that was out the back dash when used with his back turned toward the other party a witch's broom
   ? Ikatsu is adjusted to stop timeout, settled in the charge of maintaining Masui scepter

<Kirisame Marisa>
   - Fixed bug to kill and hit the specific character the last word
   And adjustment to receive a gravity effect to start out when it is out in the sky above the swipe

<Hijiri Byakuren>
   - Fixed the problem that the weak shooting can not be Grey's
   - Fixed bug side brake dash A, the AAA has remained strong when you are moving on
   And adjustment to receive a gravity effect to start out when it is out in the sky above the swipe

<Futo>
   - Fixed bug of charge aura
   ? Addition of the upper and lower limit to the installation range of dishes. To move so that it returns to the range within the dish was placed
   And adjustment to receive a gravity effect to start out when it is out in the sky above the lower swipe
   And adjustment of the jump altitude at the end to be lower altitude is high when it issued a Iwao boat of heaven

<Miko>
   - Fixed the problem that the display of the cloak does not return to round transition
   - Fixed bug there is no decision to offset part of the strength shooting
   - Fixed bug in popularity increase and decrease impact

<Nitori>
   - Fixed a bug that attack to hit the blast of chrysanthemum character compressor
   And adjustment to activate via the drop when it is out in the sky above the swipe

<Komeiji Koishi>
   - Fixed a bug that struck judgment is attached to the X-fire
   ? When the attack to force trigger, fixed a problem that is performed an illegal operation and spiritual power that said they less than or equal to 0
   And forced activation of attack adjustment to take place even when spiritual power is less than or equal to 0

<Futatsuiwa Mamizou>
   - Fixed bug of charge aura
   - Fixed move of AA8A, the problem of sound effect timing
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 12, 2013, 10:43:46 AM
The 3rd patch has been released ( ̄ー ̄) .
But still no Kokoro ⌐_⌐? .


PS: they don't even talk about her in their last blog entry, I hate them.

I'm sorry you wasted so much money on this game. :C
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: fsvgm777 on June 12, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
This can't be a result of the 1.03b patch, can it?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64600169/sduj.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64600169/sduj.jpg) (linked because the image is almost 300 KB big) (also, I freaking hate 1366x768) (arrow points to first unlocked stage)

I've only cleared Reimu's, Marisa's, Byakuren's, Miko's and Ichirin's stories so far, mind you.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 12, 2013, 11:11:49 AM
seems like there's an adjustment to popularity gain, I recall counterhits grant +/- 5% (and 10% when your meter is full). Now, it seems to grants 10% even when it's not full... and I just realized that it also included the 1st attack. So, never mind what I said.

Also, they didn't fix the newspaper bug.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 12, 2013, 11:41:02 AM
Has anybody played through Mami Lunatic story mode? I get horribly wrecked at Reimu's 2nd spell card. It is like close to impossible to even to fight unless you got 2 spell cards to spam and a lot of luck.

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Savory on June 12, 2013, 12:15:25 PM
...Chicken guard?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Sungho on June 12, 2013, 12:41:53 PM
My Google Translate is better than your Google Translate.
Although my English isn't quite good.

<System>
Fixed some animation bugs.
Fixed Reset(F1) in Practice.
Fixed a bug where timing out a round while certain attacks are being displayed will cause the game to crash
Fixed the bug where the game won't take a snapshot when the round ends by timeout.
Fixed a bug where changing the "Teching Direction" in Practice Mode also effects Simple Practice. (What's 簡易プラクティス supposed to be?)
Changed so that Chicken Guard pushes the Defender back when the Attacker has her back on the edge of the screen.

Not really sure what 上下吹き飛び is supposed to mean, but I think that it's supposed to be ceiling-slam(?) and floor-slam.
Changed so that these two works the same on all characters. Apparently some characters behaved somewhat differently to the same attack.

Changed so that Counterhits have the same amount of hitstun as normal hits.
Trying to stay out of the screen for too long will cause Popularity to start dropping.

Not sure what this is supposed to mean, but I guess it gives more time to input window for dashing was extended.

Now nothing happens when failing a C or Z attack.. (Before, for example, trying to use 6C while the character has no spirit will cause 6B to come out)
When selecting Random in Stage Select, the BGM depends on the stage.

<Item>
Fixed a bug where using the "Broom" item while facing away from the opponent causes the character to backdash.
Fixed so that getting a timeout or finishing the match will stop the effects of holding out the "Ritual Baton" item.

<Kirisame Marisa>
Fixed a bug where hitting certain characters with her Last Word will cause the game to crash. (I blame the cape)
Marisa is now effected by gravitation when she uses 8B on higher air.

<Hijiri Byakuren>
Fixed a bug where her X projectiles were ungrazeable. (What)
Not sure what this is exactly trying to say, but something about the braking effects of DA and AAA lingering when Byakuren moves upward.
Byakuren is now effected by gravitation when she uses 8B on higher air.

<Mononobe no Futo>
Fixed the charge aura.(I think that it refers to Buddhism's charge attacks)
Put a vertical limit on plate positions. Plates that would go out of bounds will move to get in bounds.
Futo is now effected by gravitation when she uses 2B on higher air.
Futo will jump out lower when she jumps out of her boat at high altitude.

<Toyosatomimi no Miko>
Fixed the bug where the cape color isn't reset at the next round.
Fixed a bug where some parts of her Y projectile(?) didn't have a cancelling hixbox.
Fixed a bug related to effects of Popularity. (It's rather ambiguous)

<Kawashiro Nitori>
Fixed a bug where the explosion of the Compresser also had a hitbox.
Nitori will drop down before attacking when using 8B on higher air.

<Komeiji Koishi>
Fixed a bug where her X projectiles had a hixbox.(If the opponent attacked the projectile, Koishi would have been hit, or I think that's what it meant)
Fixed a bug where the game does wrong calculations on Koishi's spirit when she launchs a forced attack while spirit was below zero.
Koishi will now launch forced attacks even when her spirit is below zero.

<Futatsuiwa Mamizou>
Fixed the charge aura.
Fixed movement and SFX timing on AA8A


The newspaper bug now works differently. Still a bug.

Chicken Guard is when you press an attack button while guarding.
A blue shield will surround when the character guards an attack, and the opponent will be pushed backwards.
Using it too much will cause a drop in popularity.

Mamizou leans back slightly when she is in the path of her Tsurube skill. Such details.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 12, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
Thank God the Futo plate thing has been fixed. I got a plate off the top of the screen right at the beginning of the Kokoro Story Mode battle and it severely nerfed her fireball.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 12, 2013, 01:43:39 PM
Has anybody played through Mami Lunatic story mode? I get horribly wrecked at Reimu's 2nd spell card. It is like close to impossible to even to fight unless you got 2 spell cards to spam and a lot of luck.

I usually just muscle it out, use the Homing Lantern Will-o-wisp attack, or spam the Nurikube (wall). Last one is fun, as it makes you move vertically quickly and may make those amulets miss a lot.

On a side note, Mamizou is insanely evil, and is far more dangerous than Kokoro due to the same reason as with Reimu's 2nd spell card.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 12, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
I usually just muscle it out, use the Homing Lantern Will-o-wisp attack, or spam the Nurikube (wall). Last one is fun, as it makes you move vertically quickly and may make those amulets miss a lot.

On a side note, Mamizou is insanely evil, and is far more dangerous than Kokoro due to the same reason as with Reimu's 2nd spell card.
I get trapped in a stun continuously due to either losing spirit by too much blocking or getting ass kicked and ping-pong'd around the entire field. Her 1st and 3rd card are joke.

Also every time I try the Nurikube wall she just denies me with her mini amulets. Well, I did /rq after I had no more continues left :V and before that I almost beaten her when she needed 1 more will-o-wisp lantern attack but decided to block it effectively and then place a mega large barrier in my face.

I'll retry it today again.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 12, 2013, 04:34:12 PM
Talking about Nurikabe, I identified more youkai species in addition to the ones I already recognized here http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14812.msg981239.html#msg981239 .
The small ugly one just on the top of the lantern one is a Nuppeppo, the blue-haired woman is a Yukionna, and the red one on the bottom of the page is an Inugami.
There is still the one with the lizard head that I don't recognize, (the woman with an insectoid body is probably a Sazae-oni or a Kiyohime but I'm not sure about that).


I'm sorry (...)
Why being sorry? It's not your fault! -‿- I figure you're not working in the game's development team since you don't speak the language, so why feeling personally concerned? ( ̄ー ̄)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 12, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
Consider it more an expression of sympathy than an apology. Having been throught tight times myself for a good while, I feel for people that spend this kind of money on a product they're not satisfied with.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 12, 2013, 05:04:09 PM
Oh, thank you then ( ̄ー ̄) .
Well, I'm not unsatisfied by the game itself though, so I don't feel like I wasted any money ( ?‿‿? ), the delays to finish the game are quite long but I still love the game, let's just hope they finally finish it ◠‿‿◠.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Helepolis on June 12, 2013, 05:08:02 PM
Darth_Sirov, I managed to luck through Reimu's spell card after like being smashed all around. The Nurikube was ineffective as I expected because the amulets fly past really really fast and any additional she spawns (the twin spinnings) or the homing ones will just disable it. I kept on using the lantern and any combo I could pull off (TL DR: LUCK). Had to blow a continue for Reimu and 2 lives =.=

Surprisingly, For me, Kokoro was 100000x easier to beat on Lunatic. Mainly because none of the spell cards are actually annoying. Perhaps the first one, but that is a matter of smart timing to graze/puncture through. I found myself a new favourite char for this game next to Byakuren.


Edit: updated opening post with latest info.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 12, 2013, 06:20:38 PM
Quote
Now nothing happens when failing a C or Z attack..
THANK YOU TASOFRO

god i hated when that happened
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on June 12, 2013, 08:13:31 PM
Changed so that Counterhits have the same amount of hitstun as normal hits.

Yay for no double jeopardy! Getting hit and comboed, losing popularity, and losing momentum are more than punishment enough for being counterhit, it's really silly that so many games include additional punishment in the form of more one-sided gameplay from even longer combos.

Quote
Trying to stay out of the screen for too long will cause Popularity to start dropping.

And a Negative Penalty too!

I'm really liking how this is shaping up and look forward even more to getting this soon c:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 12, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
Just practiced with Reimu VS Futo (Normal Mode).
I used a spell card and the timer stopped until I used it which I find weird.
Can anyone test it out and see if this is intentional or a bug?  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 12, 2013, 09:23:02 PM
Just practiced with Reimu VS Futo (Normal Mode).
I used a spell card and the timer stopped until I used it which I find weird.
Can anyone test it out and see if this is intentional or a bug?  :ohdear:
its intentional
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 12, 2013, 09:25:09 PM
It's always been like this, even from the first versions of the game.
If you declare a spell, you'll freeze the timer until you use it or you wait until your spell cancels itself.
(lot of people talked about it in the topic by the way ( ̄ー ̄) )


PS: it's very useful if you're about to lose because of the popularity and you're running out of time, this can give you some extra seconds to try to win by KO before the opponent wins by popularity.

(You can also make a "psychological pressure" on the opponent and try to force him to play more "defensive", and then make his popularity drop and raise yours, even if the match is almost over since the time is frozen.)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 12, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
Huh... I never noticed that until now, sweeet! ~  :D

Thanks for the fast confirmation Suikama and ElGreko.

 

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on June 12, 2013, 09:43:25 PM
According to Pooshlmer, Tasofro's blog said something about the next patch not being bug fixes. Can anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 12, 2013, 09:44:11 PM
According to Pooshlmer, Tasofro's blog said something about the next patch not being bug fixes. Can anyone confirm that?

I just hope it's not about INTRODUCING bugs, either. :getdown:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 12, 2013, 09:59:35 PM
According to Pooshlmer, Tasofro's blog said something about the next patch not being bug fixes. Can anyone confirm that?
Oh really? Well they better be making the game more fun. I need more entertainment.  :3
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 12, 2013, 10:14:02 PM
Tried to play with a friend earlier. Was going fine for the first match, but in the third round of the second match something went wrong with the controls and I ended up controlling both of our characters. When we got back to the menu two controllers were assigned to player one and no controllers were assigned to player two. Sorry I'm so bad at this, but would someone please explain to me in very simple steps how to set controllers to players? I can't seem to get it right.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on June 12, 2013, 11:25:37 PM
I had similar issues with the Demo but wasn't sure if it was my DS3Tool, my computer, or the game itself having controller identity issues.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Lukesky180 on June 13, 2013, 12:06:47 AM
According to Pooshlmer, Tasofro's blog said something about the next patch not being bug fixes. Can anyone confirm that?
Probably adding Kokoro.

KOKORO FTW
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kosachi on June 13, 2013, 01:00:42 AM
According to Pooshlmer, Tasofro's blog said something about the next patch not being bug fixes.
Kokoro?My feelings about this. (http://media.tumblr.com/6b7a11c55ef1ec9ec6177e533345e2e2/tumblr_inline_mkja8mqkWl1ryv9ki.gif)
That is all.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: cuc on June 13, 2013, 01:06:16 AM
 What Tasofro really said is more like, this patch is mainly about bugfixes and improving player control (such as C and Z not doing anything when the skill requirements are not met); the next patch will be for the actual balance adjustments. They said nothing about Kokoro.

There's also this exchange from June 7:
Quote
Migel Futosi: (https://twitter.com/migelfutosi/status/342849134912499713) I'm glad to receive the commission for a new Kokoro win pose. I will try to make it more impactful than the previous win poses.

Unabara: Don't set up a cliffhanger like that (what
Migel Futosi is the newbie pixel artist I mentioned who drew 1/3 of Kokoro's sprites.

Also, look at his current twitter portrait!
(http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/cucuct/forum%20posts/6d615c373634a1ab50729b7762d0bbcd_zpscee53349.gif)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 13, 2013, 01:09:03 AM
There's also this exchange from June 7:Migel Futosi is the newbie pixel artist I mentioned who draw 1/3 of Kokoro's sprites. Be sure to check out his current twitter portrait!
SPIN KOKORO SPIN~  :D
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on June 13, 2013, 01:42:45 AM
What Tasofro really said is more like, this patch is mainly about bugfixes and improving player control (such as C and Z not doing anything when the skill requirements are not met); the next patch will be for the actual balance adjustments. They said nothing about Kokoro.

Ah, I see. Thank you!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 13, 2013, 04:56:33 AM
Tried to play with a friend earlier. Was going fine for the first match, but in the third round of the second match something went wrong with the controls and I ended up controlling both of our characters. When we got back to the menu two controllers were assigned to player one and no controllers were assigned to player two. Sorry I'm so bad at this, but would someone please explain to me in very simple steps how to set controllers to players? I can't seem to get it right.

I suppose you were playing in "VS Player" and not in VS network.
If it was actually in VS Player on the same computer, you or your friend probably changed the profile of someone during the game, you can assign specific controls for every profile in the "profile menu" of the game.

By the way, did you try to play again in "Vs Network"? You never asked to try again, aren't you interested anymore?

Probably adding Kokoro.

KOKORO FTW
Kokoro?My feelings about this. (http://media.tumblr.com/6b7a11c55ef1ec9ec6177e533345e2e2/tumblr_inline_mkja8mqkWl1ryv9ki.gif)
That is all.
Well, I already said it on the first message talking about the update:
The 3rd patch has been released ( ̄ー ̄) .
But still no Kokoro ⌐_⌐‘ .


PS: they don't even talk about her in their last blog entry, I hate them.

They don't speak about her, not even to say if they'll add her in some future patches or when, that's why I was being a little bit upset: if they focus on simple bugs without even finishing the game and add the missing content to finally get a "final version" of it, that's very weird but well, nevermind. If it takes more time for some reasons, it's still not really a problem but after more than 1 month of waiting I was expecting at least something like "we'll probably add her in the next patch" or giving an approximate date, but at least saying a little thing about her since they know everyone is waiting for her... (http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/24/1371097642-crying1-onion-head-emoticon.gif)


Also, look at his current twitter portrait!
(http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/cucuct/forum%20posts/6d615c373634a1ab50729b7762d0bbcd_zpscee53349.gif)

Oooh, I love it!
Even if we'll never see all these masks in the game, I really liked the concept of "all the masks from other games/series/animes!"
I recognized three of the Masked/Kamen Rider masks, Dio's mask, Vega's (Balrog's) mask, Phanto's mask, Ellen, etc...
It's a simple fanart but I'd really like to see in the game a Kokoro controlling dozens of masks from other places and universes (if only... ( —‿‿— ) )..
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 13, 2013, 05:07:17 AM
... She's spinning more than Hina right there.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Starxsword on June 13, 2013, 06:44:55 AM
@Kokoro: Maybe they don't intend for her to be playable until later? Maybe Kokoro's moveset is spoilers for Double Dealing Character?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: iK on June 13, 2013, 08:36:05 AM
I'm not in any place to complain about the roster size when games like Skullgirls are allowed to get away with even less characters from a much larger dev team.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shin Rokuren on June 13, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Okay, so maybe this has been discussed before but is it possible to edit a profile icon? I noticed the folder and if possible, use a different bmp image but use the same name. Has anyone tried it?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 13, 2013, 09:07:41 AM
Yes it's totally possible, I drew myself my own profile icon (also with transparence).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 13, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Okay, so maybe this has been discussed before but is it possible to edit a profile icon? I noticed the folder and if possible, use a different bmp image but use the same name. Has anyone tried it?
Here's some that you can use. Just put them in the icon folder.
Oh, if you want some icon here's some that I get from an artist on Pixiv.
How it looked : http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=36002587
The zip file : http://ux.getuploader.com/sukunabikona/download/1/icon.zip
The password is 'icon', put it in the bracket with a button beside it.
You can go check pixiv for some more or you can just make it yourself.

Oh, about the new patch. I already found one new bug.
When I was testing with Byakuren to see the changes, I noticed that when I used her Last Word to finish off an opponent, the game showed that I lost, whether the enemy won a round or not. They still explode though, and a larger one at that. I find it funny, it's as if Byakuren gave away the match after beating the crap out of them.
Here, there's a video of it on Nico http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21100797
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 13, 2013, 10:29:37 AM
Darth_Sirov, I managed to luck through Reimu's spell card after like being smashed all around. The Nurikube was ineffective as I expected because the amulets fly past really really fast and any additional she spawns (the twin spinnings) or the homing ones will just disable it. I kept on using the lantern and any combo I could pull off (TL DR: LUCK). Had to blow a continue for Reimu and 2 lives =.=

Surprisingly, For me, Kokoro was 100000x easier to beat on Lunatic. Mainly because none of the spell cards are actually annoying. Perhaps the first one, but that is a matter of smart timing to graze/puncture through. I found myself a new favourite char for this game next to Byakuren.

Sorry if I wasn't of any help. All I did before was doing the lantern attacks and play keep away as much as possible, the nurikube was only a temporary fix if she didn't use her big homing amulets.

And yeah, practically every other spell card that is not "Homing" or pre-activated, are easy. Only thing that makes Kokoro harder than Mamizou is if you're pushed on the defensive and don't graze (all her spell cards are guaranteed Guard Crush).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shin Rokuren on June 13, 2013, 11:10:15 AM
Real sweet. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 13, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
I suppose you were playing in "VS Player" and not in VS network.

Yes, that's right.

If it was actually in VS Player on the same computer, you or your friend probably changed the profile of someone during the game, you can assign specific controls for every profile in the "profile menu" of the game.

Okay, but how is that done exactly? We were both using controllers and the game recognized them both as far as we could tell, but I couldn't figure out how to reassign them. I know how to assign controls, but now how to assign controllers. Hopefully that makes sense.

By the way, did you try to play again in "Vs Network"? You never asked to try again, aren't you interested anymore?

Sorry about that, I've been very busy. Still have a ton of homework and I somehow got talked into taking more shifts at work. I haven't had time to look at netplay at all. I'll get back to you, but it might be until this weekend or possibly even later if this amount of homework keeps up.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 13, 2013, 02:24:19 PM
Well, if it happened during a match without anyone to touch the configuration menu, that's kinda weird, maybe a bug, but just check your profiles to see if everything is correctly bound.

For assigning controller key, it's in the same menu as your keyboard keys:
In the Profile menu, go on the "Key config" menu, and choose a profile, you'll have 2 column, "Keyboard" in white, and "Gamepad" in yellow with some "button1, button2, button3, etc..." bound to the game keys (I know it's not very easy if you don't understand japanese, if you don't get something, just ask -‿-).

I never tried to configure the gamepad column since I only play with my keyboard, but this is where you configure the stuff!

And don't worry for the netplay, it's whenever you want ( ̄ー ̄).


Oh, and talking about replacement icons, for those who are interested, not for the profile icon but the game shortcut's icon, there is a replacement icon too, since the original one is not very good.
It looks like this:
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/24/1371132964-screen.png)
 256x256 format  (http://fileswap.com/dl/KfG2x6FADc/)
 48x48 format  (http://fileswap.com/dl/31nHLfrXd2//)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on June 13, 2013, 03:04:12 PM
Well, I just did Ichirin's story, and there was something off about it. Nitori's first spell (the one with the missiles) didn't show up at all, and Koishi's second nonspell phase never showed up. The rest of the story mode was fine. Note that I did attempt this story mode before 1.03b, and both things were normal the first time. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 13, 2013, 03:08:34 PM
I'm not sure about Nitori, but I did hear that if you get max popularity midbattle, they'll skip everything and go to Final Spell Card mode.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on June 13, 2013, 03:28:14 PM
The thing is that I didn't get max popularity in either case, so... both things are still unexplained beyond "it's a bug."
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Athrel on June 13, 2013, 03:28:31 PM
If you manage to take down a lifebar without taking any damage then you get skip another one further down. It doesn't work the same way for all bosses, but I've skipped miko's second non-spell life bar before and also kokoro's third spell card for taking down certain lifebars without damage.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 13, 2013, 04:09:14 PM
If you manage to take down a lifebar without taking any damage then you get skip another one further down. It doesn't work the same way for all bosses, but I've skipped miko's second non-spell life bar before and also kokoro's third spell card for taking down certain lifebars without damage.

I think that happened to me only once, so I wasn't able to fully test this.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Athrel on June 13, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
I think how it works is that for stage 1 bosses, no life bars can be skipped. For stage 2 and 3 bosses the first spellcard can be skipped if the first lifebar is taken down without the player taking any damage. For stage four bosses, the second nonspell lifebar can be skipped if the first one is taken down without the player taking any damage. No stage five or lifebars can be skipped since they're usually just mamizou in disguise and not a full battle. I don't know if any stage six lifebars can be skipped since I usually take damage there. I'm not entirely sure how kokoro works either, but as I mentioned earlier I've been able to skip her third card by clearing the lifebar before it without taking any damage.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AJS on June 13, 2013, 07:12:15 PM
I think this patch has introduced a new glitch, because several times now I've had the music get stuck in a 1-second loop--as in, at any point in time, the music would glitch up and play the same 1-second of a song over and over again, even when the BGM should change.  The only way to solve this seems to be to quit the game.  And I've never had this problem before.

EDIT: This problem only seems to happen when I'm playing as Kokoro, so I'm guessing this'll probably be fixed when Tasofro gets around to properly adding her to the game.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Validon98 on June 13, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Haha, now I get the spellcard skipping thing. I actually managed to skip Kokoro's third card with Nitori (by the way, I don't like playing as her because comboing is annoying and ammo is limited). And then I got my Last Word right as Kokoro went into her final card. Safe to say, I got revenge for having lost two continues previously.
I pretty much have figured out that the stars on the left after every phase are equivalent to the damage category from SWR, while the ones on the right I think are time. Not sure about the right one.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: cuc on June 13, 2013, 10:34:53 PM
Left one is damage (3 stars for no damage), right one is time.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 14, 2013, 01:37:30 AM
Well, if it happened during a match without anyone to touch the configuration menu, that's kinda weird, maybe a bug, but just check your profiles to see if everything is correctly bound.

For assigning controller key, it's in the same menu as your keyboard keys:
In the Profile menu, go on the "Key config" menu, and choose a profile, you'll have 2 column, "Keyboard" in white, and "Gamepad" in yellow with some "button1, button2, button3, etc..." bound to the game keys (I know it's not very easy if you don't understand japanese, if you don't get something, just ask -‿-).

Just tried to work this out again and failed again. I guess I don't know which buttons I'm supposed to be using. Here's a screenshot of my character select screen, if someone can tell me exactly which button to push for each player that will probably fix my problem.

(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/dummy2205/Untitled.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shin Rokuren on June 14, 2013, 04:03:14 AM
I think this patch has introduced a new glitch, because several times now I've had the music get stuck in a 1-second loop--as in, at any point in time, the music would glitch up and play the same 1-second of a song over and over again, even when the BGM should change.  The only way to solve this seems to be to quit the game.  And I've never had this problem before.

EDIT: This problem only seems to happen when I'm playing as Kokoro, so I'm guessing this'll probably be fixed when Tasofro gets around to properly adding her to the game.

I got this problem as well when doing random vs Comp matches. I was using Ichirin vs Miko.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: ElGreko on June 14, 2013, 04:07:41 AM
Just tried to work this out again and failed again. I guess I don't know which buttons I'm supposed to be using. Here's a screenshot of my character select screen, if someone can tell me exactly which button to push for each player that will probably fix my problem.

(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/dummy2205/Untitled.png)

As I already said to you, you need to configure your profiles, you bound both of your profiles with your gamepad, so it's logical that you control both of the players when you press keys.

You need to configure your profiles to make one of them display "Keyboard" and the other one "Gamepad".

On your screenshot, between both of your profile names, it's written in japanese "C or Pad2: Move to the submenu.".
So, if you press C or one of the main keys of your gamepad, you'll open a submenu where you can directly choose your profiles, edit your decks and modify the input bindings and configure everything you need to quite easily, without leaving the character select screen.

I personally don't have a gamepad, so I can't assist you more, but I hope you'll manage to make it!



PS [unrelated] :  don't forget to update your game to 1.03 ( ̄ー ̄)



Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: monhan on June 14, 2013, 04:34:27 AM
Just tried to work this out again and failed again. I guess I don't know which buttons I'm supposed to be using. Here's a screenshot of my character select screen, if someone can tell me exactly which button to push for each player that will probably fix my problem.

(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/dummy2205/Untitled.png)
Like I said before, the game recognized the same controller. You can see that both showed Gamepad 0. It doesn't matter which profile you used or any settings you changed.
The game recognized the P1 first and then P2. So just press any button on the gamepad that you want to be used by P1, after that press a button on another contoller or keyboard  that you want to be used by P2.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Saphir on June 14, 2013, 10:10:42 AM
Does anyone have the problem with Nitori's spell in story mode? It seems I can't use spell after playing 1-2'
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 14, 2013, 12:18:15 PM
Does anyone have the problem with Nitori's spell in story mode? It seems I can't use spell after playing 1-2'
Not entirely sure what you mean by "1-2'", but you're probably running out of energy. Nitori's gimmick is that her abilities are strong, but she uses up energy for them which only recharges between rounds. In story mode, the fights aren't split up into rounds, so she never recharges until the next opponent. You just have to conserve.

Edit: Wait, are you playing as or against Nitori?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Saphir on June 14, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
Not entirely sure what you mean by "1-2'", but you're probably running out of energy. Nitori's gimmick is that her abilities are strong, but she uses up energy for them which only recharges between rounds. In story mode, the fights aren't split up into rounds, so she never recharges until the next opponent. You just have to conserve.

Edit: Wait, are you playing as or against Nitori?

Thank you.  I was run out of energy, that explains why I can't continue to use spell
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Darth_Sirov on June 14, 2013, 12:54:36 PM
I think she's playing AS Nitori.

Tip: Only use your heavy spells during spell cards, focus on melee when it's a non-spell card.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 14, 2013, 03:05:59 PM
As I already said to you, you need to configure your profiles, you bound both of your profiles with your gamepad, so it's logical that you control both of the players when you press keys.

You need to configure your profiles to make one of them display "Keyboard" and the other one "Gamepad".

On your screenshot, between both of your profile names, it's written in japanese "C or Pad2: Move to the submenu.".
So, if you press C or one of the main keys of your gamepad, you'll open a submenu where you can directly choose your profiles, edit your decks and modify the input bindings and configure everything you need to quite easily, without leaving the character select screen.

I personally don't have a gamepad, so I can't assist you more, but I hope you'll manage to make it!

Oh, okay. I misunderstood the "move to submenu" part and thought that was what I had to use to select a controller, then was confused when that kept bringing up the menu. That makes this a keybinding thing probably related to Xpadder, as opposed to a problem of selecting the correct controller like I thought it was. I think I can fix it from here. Thank you.

PS [unrelated] :  don't forget to update your game to 1.03 ( ̄ー ̄)

I'll get around to it. I downloaded the update, but I haven't figured out how to apply a patch while in Japanese region mode yet so it will involve restarting my computer several times.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Lunasa Prismriver on June 14, 2013, 07:34:31 PM
It seems Kokoro can be unlocked in vs. mode but I have no idea how. If someone knows ...
The only that I have is that video from Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1UVLntZfws) where we can see clearly Kokoro selectable and playable in vs. mode.

Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Marukyu on June 14, 2013, 11:35:07 PM
It seems Kokoro can be unlocked in vs. mode but I have no idea how. If someone knows ...
The only that I have is that video from Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1UVLntZfws) where we can see clearly Kokoro selectable and playable in vs. mode.

As explained here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14812.msg983102.html#msg983102), download this modified (spoilery) score.dat (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70075671/2/score.dat) and replace your own score.dat with it.
Make sure to leave a backup of the old score.dat though, this version of it might revert/alter some of your story mode progress to easy mode completion!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 14, 2013, 11:46:40 PM
Oh god my combo video was featured in Shoryuken (http://shoryuken.com/2013/06/06/touhou-13-5-hopeless-masquerade-koishi-combo-video-by-gpop/)

This is pretty awesome. Though I have much better combos to try out so after I make my tutorial video I'm gonna work on a second combo video :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on June 15, 2013, 12:37:11 AM
I got my hands on the translated 13.5 endings and Koishi's in particular made me sad.

"The Human Village

The number of humans who have lost their emotions started to increase. It's an ephemeral mania: they become depressed in an instant. From within this gloomy human society though, there is one ray of hope. That is Koishi Komeiji.

Marisa: "I give up! This is my loss!"
Koishi: "How weak~"
Marisa: "I just can't read your attacks. Not to mention the whole peanut gallery is on your side."
Koishi: "Yay! I was praised~ I wonder who my next opponent is~"
Kokoro: "I'll defeat you this time!"
Audience: "What? Who? A new challenger!"
Koishi: "Yay! Anyone's welcome!"
Marisa: "Wh- What are you?!"
Kokoro: "Fufufu, I've trained for this. It won't go like last time!"
Koishi: "I've got hope you know! Like I could lose!"

Their duel was hard fought. The word of the great war between these two great youkai spread from person to person. Soon enough Kokoro obtained a new mask of hope. Although it was only a small sprout, it will surely grow into something large.

At the same time the original mask of hope was losing its power. If she lost her hope, she would surely return to being someone no one could notice. Like a pebble on the road."
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Shizzo on June 15, 2013, 12:48:48 AM
Oh, do yo now?  Could you please share?  I was incredibly curious to see how the endings went so this would be so helpful! 
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on June 15, 2013, 01:07:59 AM
Oh, do yo now?  Could you please share?  I was incredibly curious to see how the endings went so this would be so helpful! 
Check your PMs

Top-First
Bottom-Last
Ichirin and Futo (near the same time)
Nitori
Koishi
Marisa
Reimu
Byakuren and Miko
Mamizou
Kokoro

Ichirin's and Futo's stories leads into Byakuren and Miko's stories.
Both Nitori and Koishi's endings tell that the whole "festival" is still going on. Koishi's makes mention that the number of despairing humans is increasing so it must take place during the early stages of the incident.
Marisa is where it get iffy. It says
"The festival atmosphere can no longer be seen, and everyone is silently doing their jobs. Although they seem busy, their overflowing excitement can also be felt."
Which leads me to believe that it's in the end-game stages of the incident.
What makes me place Reimu before Byakuren and Miko is that Reimu is still searching for the mask of hope. Miko makes the mask (or attempts to), which most likely gave Reimu no need to search.
Miko and Byakuren's stories for sure take place near the end. They outright state that the duels are over.
I don't have to explain my placement for Mami and Kokoro as Mami's leads into Kokoro's which is the epilogue for the game.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: TheTeff007 on June 15, 2013, 01:33:28 AM
Oh... may I ask for the endings too? I finished the stories after I saw Kokoro on hopes on unlocking her. Needless to say, it didn't work -_-u
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: commandercool on June 15, 2013, 04:02:11 AM
Played quite a few games earlier with a few people. Had a few minor issues with controls, but got them ironed out as they came up. Didn't notice any major bugs, but we did have two different instances of people getting 100% popularity. One of them led to the guy botching his last word and losing because his popularity dropped, which was kind of funny.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Clarste on June 15, 2013, 05:30:45 AM
What do you guys think?
I think everything happens in the order the stories are unlocked. However, the scope of the incident ebbs and flows in response to the endings of other characters. That just makes the most sense to me, and seriously why in the world would it be written any other way? There is literally no reason to tell the stories out of order. Also, Kokoro's reactions to things changes depending on what's happened to her earlier (ie: she's way more aggressive against Reimu and Marisa, etc).

For reference, I'm the one who made these translations and if you're using my files I should have numbered them so they appear in the order they're unlocked. That's basically the order I think it happens in. I also edited the wiki to list their story routes in this order because I think it's important for them to be presented in the same way the game does. Which is:

Reimu and Marisa: They have no real clue what's going on and nothing gets resolved.
Miko and Byakuren: They actually resolve the incident, albeit temporarily.
Futo and Ichirin: They happen immediately after/during Miko and Byakuren. This is referenced within their routes.
Koishi and Nitori: Kokoro is regressing because Miko and Byakuren's solutions are merely temporary. They offer new, unusual solutions.
Mamizou: She notices that Kokoro is still having problems despite everyone saying they solved it.
Kokoro: Happy ending.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Aqua Soo on June 15, 2013, 07:37:53 AM
Clarste's story layout is exactly what I had in mind too.

I would like to add that the story during the route and the story in the ending can come in at different times. For example, Futo's ending comes before Miko's ending, but her route is either during or after Miko's route.

On an unrelated note, what's up with Taoist faction and SPARKLES.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: HyperGumba on June 15, 2013, 07:38:49 AM
Oh, I'd like to request the endings, too. I am incredibly curious about the Taoist side myself, and I've never seen them anywhere.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on June 15, 2013, 07:57:41 AM
Also requesting the endings here, please.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Hinacle on June 15, 2013, 08:32:50 AM
I think everything happens in the order the stories are unlocked. However, the scope of the incident ebbs and flows in response to the endings of other characters. That just makes the most sense to me, and seriously why in the world would it be written any other way? There is literally no reason to tell the stories out of order. Also, Kokoro's reactions to things changes depending on what's happened to her earlier (ie: she's way more aggressive against Reimu and Marisa, etc).

For reference, I'm the one who made these translations and if you're using my files I should have numbered them so they appear in the order they're unlocked. That's basically the order I think it happens in. I also edited the wiki to list their story routes in this order because I think it's important for them to be presented in the same way the game does. Which is:

Reimu and Marisa: They have no real clue what's going on and nothing gets resolved.
Miko and Byakuren: They actually resolve the incident, albeit temporarily.
Futo and Ichirin: They happen immediately after/during Miko and Byakuren. This is referenced within their routes.
Koishi and Nitori: Kokoro is regressing because Miko and Byakuren's solutions are merely temporary. They offer new, unusual solutions.
Mamizou: She notices that Kokoro is still having problems despite everyone saying they solved it.
Kokoro: Happy ending.

Aahh, I never bothered to think of Kokoro regressing. Thank you (not being sarcastic or anything).
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kilgamayan on June 15, 2013, 11:51:46 AM
I would like the ending translations too, if that's doable.

On an unrelated note, what's up with Taoist faction and SPARKLES.

You wish you were this fabulous.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: anthony_en on June 15, 2013, 12:39:39 PM
I wish ending translation too. :D
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: N-Forza on June 15, 2013, 01:23:10 PM
All you need to know about Miko's is that she makes a new mask of hope for Kokoro.

Yes, it's THAT mask.
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Gpop on June 15, 2013, 02:44:15 PM
I got my hands on the translated 13.5 endings and Koishi's in particular made me sad.

"The Human Village

The number of humans who have lost their emotions started to increase. It's an ephemeral mania: they become depressed in an instant. From within this gloomy human society though, there is one ray of hope. That is Koishi Komeiji.

Marisa: "I give up! This is my loss!"
Koishi: "How weak~"
Marisa: "I just can't read your attacks. Not to mention the whole peanut gallery is on your side."
Koishi: "Yay! I was praised~ I wonder who my next opponent is~"
Kokoro: "I'll defeat you this time!"
Audience: "What? Who? A new challenger!"
Koishi: "Yay! Anyone's welcome!"
Marisa: "Wh- What are you?!"
Kokoro: "Fufufu, I've trained for this. It won't go like last time!"
Koishi: "I've got hope you know! Like I could lose!"

Their duel was hard fought. The word of the great war between these two great youkai spread from person to person. Soon enough Kokoro obtained a new mask of hope. Although it was only a small sprout, it will surely grow into something large.

At the same time the original mask of hope was losing its power. If she lost her hope, she would surely return to being someone no one could notice. Like a pebble on the road."

That is depressing indeed

I was kinda hoping for permanent development and all but now it's hopeless

:(

(PS: I would like the endings too)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 15, 2013, 03:48:36 PM
Err... I'm trying to resist asking for the endings even though I've beaten everybody except Kokoro's Normal storymodes.
@Hinacle: I feel bad for Koishi...  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Suikama on June 15, 2013, 05:18:01 PM
All you need to know about Miko's is that she makes a new mask of hope for Kokoro.

Yes, it's THAT mask.
(http://i.imgur.com/OMpQEnZ.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Kingault on June 15, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
I would like the translated endings as well.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Touhou 13.5 東方心綺楼 Hopeless Masquerade - I'm hopelessly in love
Post by: Tengukami on June 15, 2013, 07:47:05 PM
Would you look at that? 1,016 replies.

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