Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side

[Suikama]

Persey still has shitty awkenings

Meanwhile other dark orb changer subs have only gotten better like ult pandora and black valk

[commandercool]

Yeah, the high multipliers are Uzume's while thing. That's why I like her. Never did understand why she was so disliked. When her skillups come back I'm totally maxing her.

lol Beyzul has a higher leader rating than sub rating

Wait, what? That's so remarkably wrong that it kind of makes the whole list whack, doesn't it? I can't even guess at how that happened.

[The Greatest Dog]

I suppose Beyzul is used as a pseudo-LZL effect, only spanning the entirety of blue mobs under his wings. If you're not taking damage, then 16x is really powerful for farming and all.
Would also explain why Fagan in all of his incarnations is high up.

[commandercool]

Yeah, I guess the farm lead thing was mentioned. But I farm with Gabriel all the time and I would still almost never put Beyzul directly in my lead slot. That's crazy talk.

[Edible]

Also Edible that list is missing a bunch of the collab leaders

Like Raoh is listed as 9.0

Yeah, I was going to go through and add them all but I got lazy and just used a truncated list with basically no collab stuff

[The Greatest Dog]

... I don't see TAMADRApurin in there at all.
 :qq:

[Edible]

And as a SPECIAL BONUS, here are the sub rankings.  I'll add in the collab stuff too.  Note that this one's much longer.

10/10
Pandora

9.5/10
Red Odin
Yamato Takeru
Sun Wukong
Dark Kali

9/10
Red Sonia
Fire Valk
Kagutsuchi
Leilan
Chibi Ronia (rofl)
Minerva
Chiyome
Andromeda
Liu Bei
Meimei
Perseus
Avalon Drake
Fuma Kotaro
Amaterasu
L/F Rococo
Da Qiao
Mini Valk
Light Kali
Dark Metatron
Haku
Dark Valk
Hanzo

8.5/10
F/L Rococo
Vegetto
Red Guan Yu
Echidna
Naga (rofl)
Ares
Uriel
Red Chester
Raoh
Hermes
Famiel
Hatsume
Blue Valk
Blue Odin
Wetatron
Skuld
Blue Sonia
Freya
Thief
Michael
Green Valk
Verdandi
Green Sonia
Delgado
Green Guan Yu
Indra
Apollo
Dragon Rider
Venus
Light Metatron
Rei Sirius
Sonia Gran
Light Zhuge Liang
Loki
Juggler
Vegeta
Ramiel
Chester
FA Luci
Vritra


8/10
Freyr
Belial
Strawberry Dragon
Mamiya
Urd
Prometheus
Rozuel
Theurgia
Karin
Nut
Trunks
Neptune
Muse
Gabriel
Toki
Idunn & Idunna
Paulina
Astaroth
Osiris
Tenshinhan
Odin
Artemis
Armadel
Marine Rider
Kushinadahime
Leeza
Ceres
Susano
Green Zhuge Liang
Parvati
Thor
Athena
Ariel
Ars Nova
Apocalypse
Baal
Izanagi
Souther
Super Zeus
Dark Izanami
Gryps Rider
Mayaka Pierdra
Lu Bu
Persephone
Nephthys
Dragon Shogun
Durga
Tsukuyomi

[Suikama]

I feel like Pandora is number 1 only because of Juggler synergy


also that shade of yellow is impossible to read :derp:

[Thaws]

Whoa you evolved that Cauchemar quick.
I see the tamadrought is real though.

I'll just not take the rating list seriously :v

[Suikama]

Wait this list has awoken parvati and Lakshi but no Gaidus?

Also wow Lakshi is 9 while Parvati is 8? I'm guessing it has to do with TPA vs Rows?

[Edible]

Yeah I didn't see gaidus yet, maybe not enough people have them whereas plenty have parvati/lakshmi?

Also, apparently we're getting awoken shiva and cao cao uevos next.

[Thaws]

Lakshmi being good has to do with being in the Big Blue family, and how 2.25x rcv compliments physical's high hp low rcv perfectly.

Parvati on the other hand had crappy hp and excess rcv. Green also has less orb change choices that don't conflict with parvati

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I dunno man, I can make her work:

Parvati / Odin / Michael / Liu Bei / Susano

Put in ADK or Asgard or Meimei (only with Michael though)  as needed.

May not be big blue but they can do work.

(The fact that Lakshmi gets BOdin and Noah and the like for HP options though...)

[Suikama]

yeah lakshi is a hardhitting tank

a hypermaxed team has like 27k hp or something and her active almost heals her to full

you're also skill lock immune thanks to all the resists on lakshi + andromeda

she isn't bind immune though like parvati, but parvati has no way of healing binds while blue has a whole bunch of bind heal awakenings as well as best girl Isis :3


the HP actually makes the biggest different though I think, because there a lot of 20k+ hits now in lategame dungeons which lakshi can tank + shrug off with an active while lower HP teams can't survive at all

[MatsuriSakuragi]

So much for Lakshmi being oh-so-bad, huh. :V

[Suikama]

well her awakenings are still silly and would be a lot better if it was focused on something like rows or skillboosts.

but i suppose when you have Bodin as an available sub then none of that matters :V

also her active cooldown is still a bit long. never had any qualms with her leader skill

[Chaore]

Man I'm with thaws.

That list seems like straight garbage, fitting from what I've heard from gamewith in the past :v

Edit: Also what Suikama said. It's less she's great and more her options are amazing because 'literally all of blue' is a really big field.

As a solo card she's still not very impressive.

[trancehime]

So much for Lakshmi being oh-so-bad, huh. :V

She's not bad, she's just plagued by the same thing as most strong blue leaders - her best teams are all REM-heavy as fuck

[The Greatest Dog]

She's not bad, she's just plagued by the same thing as most strong blue leaders - her best teams are all REM-heavy as fuck

If you have Karin, you can Amberjack it up. Being just a "blue" leader means you can also just toss whatever other blue orb conversions you happen to have on it and have a ball.

x25 is powerful enough that you can probably get away with using Ruka+Siegfried or something anyways and use Lakshmi to convert Light+Wood to heal later.

[trancehime]

If you have Karin, you can Amberjack it up. Being just a "blue" leader means you can also just toss whatever other blue orb conversions you happen to have on it and have a ball.

x25 is powerful enough that you can probably get away with using Ruka+Siegfried or something anyways and use Lakshmi to convert Light+Wood to heal later.

There aren't very many farmable blue subs with blue rows or abundance in TPA, is my main concern.

[commandercool]

There aren't very many farmable blue subs with blue rows or abundance in TPA, is my main concern.

I've got high hopes for ultimate Beyzul. He could get a second row or prong and make a big difference. But unfortunately he probably won't come out until we get seven more Zaerog variants, and even then they'll probably skip over Beyzul, Wangren, and Threedia because dark/light favoritism. And even if the dragon twins do get good offensive awakenings they'll never be much use in multiples. But it would be a start since they've got pretty solid stats.

[trancehime]

Someone made a post stating that the English translations of some of the Indian 1.0 and Indian 2.0 gods were wrong, so I made a huge post correcting him. He has since deleted his post.

If you are interested in knowledge bombs from me about certain PAD monsters, I may make posts on them sometime.

[Yukarin]

fucking shynpy

2 appearnces and no drop fuck

[The Greatest Dog]

as it turns out the Light Bowl Dragon is still infinitely less stressful with Beelzebae instead of Anubis because fucking shrimp

Also the boss gives me three turns to do whatever so Persephone > Ronia/Byakko+CDD>Whatever's left

Persephone is preferable to use first so I can unconvert all of the jammers later.

Edit: lol tanking world's end

Also guess what happened

[trancehime]

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/580297299659649024

New Descend boss "Sphinx" intended to be Awoken Egyptian UVO Material.

[Suikama]

Well then

Maybe grimores aren't used after all?

[Thaws]

Well then

Maybe grimores aren't used after all?

Thankfully not grimoires, their awakenings sucks and they'll throw a devil type on every single awoken egypts.
Like, no pls.

This guy's the thing on bastet's head so Bastet confirmed Medjed+Sphinx.
Got my medjed evolved so I'm justing waiting for this guy to arrive now

We currently know nothing about this guy's awakenings and types so we still won't know how bastet or other egypts will turn out. :ohdear: but if they're making this with awoken mat in mind, it might be super good. :V

[trancehime]

Well then

Maybe grimores aren't used after all?

Yeah, Awoken Bastet looks like she'll use Medjed + Sphinx. Her headdress is the same shape as Sphinx's face.

This implies that Awoken Bastet will require Descend monsters that aren't in NA yet. RIP

[OverlordChirei]

Finally they make the Sphinx a boss. I was wondering why he didn't get the treatment yet despite being older than Medjed and Cauchemar(?)

[hyorinryu]

Finally they make the Sphinx a boss. I was wondering why he didn't get the treatment yet despite being older than Medjed and Cauchemar(?)

Really, who's art is he on? I only remember the little on on B/B Isis.