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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: OverlordChirei on February 26, 2015, 04:01:43 PM

Title: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 26, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZbhR9lz.jpg)

Puzzle & Dragons is an ios/android puzzle RPG.  It plays like a cross between Bejeweled and Pok?mon.  It's completely free to play, but has premium features through purchasable "magic stones," the game's premium currency (which can also be obtained frequently as rewards in-game), which allow for increased inventory, pulls from a rare egg machine, and more.  If you're patient enough the game gives you enough stones through special events and rewards that you shouldn't need to buy any.  (It's recommended you don't because then you will be a whale and will be devoured by the Japanese.)

You can control monsters from lowly slimes to even lowlier dragons to mighty plumbers like Mario and Luigi(above).  They all have different stats and skills, allowing you to customize your team for any number of purposes.

If you're interested, there's a really useful database of monsters and game info here:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/

A tip for new players: At the end of the tutorial the game will give you one free pull on the rare egg machine.  It's best to "scum" this pull and start over (by uninstalling and reinstalling) until you get something that's really rare (a God).  Great starters include any of the Chinese Gods, Ares, Bastet, Isis, Idunn & Idunna, Lu Bu, Zhuge Liang, Odin, Kali, Shiva, Sonia, and many others.  Feel free to ask!

If you need more help or just want to discuss the game, we also have a P&D channel on the MotK IRC network in here. Just type your name and go.
For those using IRC clients other than webchat, the channel is #puzzleandlibrarians on irc.ppirc.net.

List of friends:

Edible: 328,945,274
hyorinryu: 357.646.299
Suikama: 348.941.282
SuikamaEX: 396.277.239
Soichiro: 389,177,249
triangles: 322.456.235
Nobu: 389,151,231
Arashi: 361,443,282
Chaore: 344,844,286
Ghaleon: 374,256,217
Labuto: 362,441,209
omgkitties: 301,354,227
Twillsky: 320,059,211
O4rfish: 389,956,257
Mode: 384,458,286
Arcorann: 326,368,215
Yukarin: 394.177.213
Jq1790: 396,049,294
Pesco: 328 276 294
MJP: 370,479,279
Dibble: 314,673,283
Matsuri: 358,689,277
Fast Fanatic: 359,184,275
Sacchi Hikaru: 385,394,297
rdj: 338,277,280
Chirei: 326,404,383
En: 351,629,319
commandercool: 312,728,337
Aoshi: 398,822,333
Bonkeror (Conqueror): 331,616,320
Lem: 386.230.369
Espadas: 367,032,362
EspadasEX: 301,335,377
MoogsParfait: 313,455,268
Dorakyura: 347,957,300
MewMewHeart: 310,157,312
Bio: 336,681,244

Topic Archive
Thread I (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14669.0.html)
Thread II (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15058.0.html)
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Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 26, 2015, 04:18:46 PM
Quote
the next thread needs to be renamed puzzles & jugglers
dammit chirei
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on February 26, 2015, 04:25:03 PM
dammit chirei

It was for the greater good.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2015, 04:42:20 PM
So my neighbor (the guy with four Red Sonias who started six months before I did and is seventy ranks lower than me somehow) apparently started a JP account recently. The very day the Juggler nonsense began, in fact. What a goober.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 26, 2015, 04:44:42 PM
So mini hera and mini plan are things now.

Not only does awoken hera have excellent stats for a 4 star, she gets 3 dark row awakenings. plan gets water and wood awakes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on February 26, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
What do you think about adding ranks and favorit leader / leaders to the motk list  :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 26, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
It'd be too much of a pain to keep updated.

Edit: Rank wise, at least. Leaders wouldn't be too difficult because everyone has at least one consistent leader.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on February 26, 2015, 05:19:50 PM
It'd be too much of a pain to keep updated.

Edit: Rank wise, at least. Leaders wouldn't be too difficult because everyone has at least one consistent leader.

leaders would be fine, I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 26, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Leaders might be neat, yeah.

At least in my case, there's Athena, twinlit I&I, and AA Luci.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on February 26, 2015, 05:28:15 PM
Yeah I can get behind leaders, while I think a lot of the regulars have an idea of who has what it'll also serve as a "CRAP I NEED THIS PUZZLELEADERMON BY THE END OF THE DAY WHO GOTS" for any newer people (or people who haven't been keeping up with things ehehehe.....)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on February 26, 2015, 05:32:43 PM
well then, I shall jump in!

Leaders are D/D Haku, LKali, Uevo Athena, Twinlit Horus, Lmeta, and Anubis (for weekends)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on February 26, 2015, 05:35:50 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2015, 05:38:37 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

My top two leaders are Valkyrie Reine and Gabriel.

Also worth noting that I've got an Athena. Seems like it would be worth noting top two leaders and Athena Y/N for anyone farming alt dungeons with her.

Edit: Reine is hypermax.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on February 26, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
Please actually quote that post; it's so I can more easily track them when I go through to make the updates.

Edit: Limiting to two leaders for brevity purposes, if anyone's wondering.  We all know we tend to juggle like 5 :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 26, 2015, 05:43:51 PM
Best Girl: Isis
Not so best girl: Everyone else but mostly Athena I guess even though I don't actually use her


also holy shit the chibi/plushie dragons have a min cooldown of 1 and only need to be skilled once! finally valkitty viability?? :O
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on February 26, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
Puzzle & Failing To Follow Some Simple God Damned Directions  :smokedcheese:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 26, 2015, 05:49:05 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

R/G Leilan (hyper) + Athena (not quite hyper)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 26, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
Puzzle & Failing To Follow Some Simple God Damned Directions  :smokedcheese:
fuk da poliees :colbert:

The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
Main: B/L Isis (hypermaxed)
Secondary: Athena
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 26, 2015, 06:04:16 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

AA Luci and Athena.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 26, 2015, 06:09:57 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

F/L Horus (Almost +297'd) and GZL.

If we're gonna do the whole "Athena Y/N" thing mine is currently under development (so Y-ish)

(Should we also put up if we have GOdin? Since he's so newb friendly and all.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 26, 2015, 06:27:39 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
Hypermax Big Dog
approaching hypermax Beelzebae

A lot of people are still giving me crap for hypermaxing Byakko then immediately taking her off my leader slot position. :c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on February 26, 2015, 06:32:56 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
Athena and LMeta
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2015, 06:49:59 PM
Do we care about hypermax? Will that be part of the listing?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on February 26, 2015, 06:51:46 PM
I'll make a note of it probably
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on February 26, 2015, 07:00:52 PM
I wonder if it's more worthwhile to list to non Athena leaders and a Does this person use Athena section.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on February 26, 2015, 07:07:15 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
LMeta
and uh.... LZL?  fuck if I know who's my 2nd best and useful leadermon until I get Santa Kirin up and running.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on February 26, 2015, 07:28:53 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

Schoolgirl of the Dead, Nephthys ❤
don't have a second leader, yet Nepthys is my only leader waifu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Aoshi-shi on February 26, 2015, 07:33:48 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

My top two are LMeta and Twinlit I&I
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on February 26, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
My top two are Athena(most common) and LMeta(less common, but needs more work and more love).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 26, 2015, 08:16:48 PM
You realize I have like 6 leaders I cycle through, right?

Most common is Athena (who is replaced with BOdin on no dupe alts) but I also run Ronia, DMeta, Pandora and Skuld fairly often. Awoken Venus will be a main in due time as well.

Screw the rule of 2.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 26, 2015, 08:31:59 PM
jp section when

Now equipped with Liu Bei, Zhao Yun myth felt much easier since now I can surely kill these 2mil hp guys with a skill activation. Since don't like how the whole dungeon is under 30% hp you die.
Also I stalled long enough to use Thief on zhao yun but he died in 2 turns before he could attack :|
TPA so gud.

Two rushes left on Descend challenge! Lets see if I can do at least do one this time!
Dragon doesn't look too bad but they all have really high hp. I'm not sure if a Green team can handle Wangran's 3.5mil red hp, then Threedia's 6mil hp 2 waves later.
Devil has more annoying gimmicks, and I need a full board to flush Beelze's pre-empt full board poison but my only choice is Avalon as I still don't have a certain steampunk girl.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on February 26, 2015, 09:23:08 PM
I think max skilling tunabowl would be a better use of my stones than rolling for Muse
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on February 26, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

Haku and light Kali
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2015, 09:30:02 PM
The more I use Kali the more horrified I am by how variable her damage is. All those prongs mean it can be all over the place, going as low as unusably crappy. It's kind of fun, and I assume the more I practice with her the fewer garbagey activations I'll see, but she really makes me appreciate Gabriel. No surprises with him, guy's a rock.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Hyper Dunk on February 26, 2015, 10:00:54 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

B/L Isis and Shining Odin are who I usually have up
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 26, 2015, 10:37:20 PM
The more I use Kali the more horrified I am by how variable her damage is. All those prongs mean it can be all over the place, going as low as unusably crappy. It's kind of fun, and I assume the more I practice with her the fewer garbagey activations I'll see, but she really makes me appreciate Gabriel. No surprises with him, guy's a rock.

Yeah, this is supposedly the rub with 25x leaders. If you're not swinging with your main element/your team isn't a solid color, you will hit for doodoo. I am glad non Sakuya Chinese do not necessarily run into this problem as often, so I don't have to run through dungeons with the added fear of not being able to do reasonable damage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on February 26, 2015, 11:02:28 PM
Should I press the button?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on February 26, 2015, 11:04:35 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
slot 1: sakuya
latest: athena
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on February 26, 2015, 11:40:57 PM
Should I press the button?
Well, how much are you gonna use her?  If you'll use her a lot to justify the investment, then why not?

Got anyone you use MORE who is hungry for some dragon eggs?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on February 26, 2015, 11:46:23 PM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

superman/superman

i mean

verdandi/shiva
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on February 27, 2015, 01:35:47 AM
Mm, another delicious Trifruits failure to add to the list.  I froze during my matching so even my half-second movement-boost(Perseuuuuussss) couldn't give me the time I needed to complete the 4 TPA dream.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 01:56:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6oyKp1K.jpg)
Remember when PADZ -Z difficulty- was unreasonably hard?

Lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Conqueror on February 27, 2015, 01:59:16 AM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).
DQXQ and twinlit I/I.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 02:02:26 AM
山本大介
‏@DaikeYamamoto
曲芸士の件、本日公式より告知が出る予定ですー!


"Regarding Juggler, an official notice is planned to be released today."

OH SNAP
get your popcorns guys
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2015, 02:03:13 AM
山本大介
‏@DaikeYamamoto
曲芸士の件、本日公式より告知が出る予定ですー!


"Regarding Juggler, an official notice is planned to be released today."

OH SNAP
get your popcorns guys

"rebalance #4 will make everything else broken too"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 02:05:31 AM
I FINALLY 0stoned this place... With the help of an unlikely ally!

(http://i.imgur.com/dUfIdY3.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ACea4Qy.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ciZ8tEU.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7Bu8rJb.png)

I GUESS ISIS IS OKAY SOMETIMES -^-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 02:13:07 AM
jp section when

ikr

The more I use Kali the more horrified I am by how variable her damage is. All those prongs mean it can be all over the place, going as low as unusably crappy. It's kind of fun, and I assume the more I practice with her the fewer garbagey activations I'll see, but she really makes me appreciate Gabriel. No surprises with him, guy's a rock.

that's why kirin/lkali kind of want to roll with light primary subs to maximize damage output with light matches
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 27, 2015, 02:13:43 AM
"rebalance #4 will make everything else broken too"

bruh rebalance #4 has been out in NA for a month already what are you talkin about /shot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 02:52:09 AM
I FINALLY 0stoned this place... With the help of an unlikely ally!

(http://i.imgur.com/dUfIdY3.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ACea4Qy.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ciZ8tEU.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7Bu8rJb.png)

I GUESS ISIS IS OKAY SOMETIMES -^-
best girl (◡‿◡✿)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 03:10:47 AM
http://mobile.gungho.jp/maintenance/pad/pua59k0000002ud5.html

Re: Juggler

tl:dr ver
Juggler's stronk but we can't nerf it.
We'll inflate other characters and dungeons to catch up later.

Safest way to go about it. Nothing changed much. It's just we direct all our hate from Ronia to Juggler now. Lawl.

Also did they say something which basically amounts to "We won't let that seasons guy do silly things like this again"?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 03:19:44 AM
so this mean isis buffs right

not like +100 attack but a legit buff

cause if so then im good BV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 03:22:52 AM
Also did they say something which basically amounts to "We won't let that seasons guy do silly things like this again"?

なお、スキルなどの仕様につきましては、他のコラボキャラクターと同様に、他社様よりご意見をいただくこともございますが、総合的なゲームバランスを考慮し当社にて実装内容を決定しておりますこともあわせてご報告させていただきます。

Not explicitly but they did say they will take more extreme care to evaluate design decisions for other collab monsters
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on February 27, 2015, 03:24:03 AM
it's more likely they're going to try and forget juggler tbh

He's a collab gold so they can count him 'out' after a point once the machine ends, so unlike you know

ronia and dmeta and such, they don't have to address him as badly
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 03:25:18 AM
FFguy: oh yeah as a parting gift, Cloud Strife will be x10 attack on matching x2 combos k peace
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 03:26:08 AM
it's more likely they're going to try and forget juggler tbh

He's a collab gold so they can count him 'out' after a point once the machine ends, so unlike you know

ronia and dmeta and such, they don't have to address him as badly

yeah, besides, gungho already has my money.

...

:qq:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on February 27, 2015, 03:29:26 AM
Someone was speculating that they might nerf juggler and they might refund people who rolled, so I was like, I should this thiing so I can get stones.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 03:36:37 AM
it's more likely they're going to try and forget juggler tbh

He's a collab gold so they can count him 'out' after a point once the machine ends, so unlike you know

ronia and dmeta and such, they don't have to address him as badly

"Hey CD Collab is coming back finally!"
"Oh that REM! Hahaha remember when Juggler's 2 hearts 7x was the craziest thing ever?"
"Yea, good times man. I think I'd rather see more Jugglers than this broken as heck awoken Ronia uevo we just got."

Someone was speculating that they might nerf juggler and they might refund people who rolled, so I was like, I should this thiing so I can get stones.
hyo pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 03:40:13 AM
"Hey CD Collab is coming back finally!"
"Oh that REM! Hahaha remember when Juggler's 2 hearts 7x was the craziest thing ever?"
"Yea, good times man. I think I'd rather see more Jugglers than this broken as heck awoken Ronia uevo we just got."

thaws pls i could actually imagine that happening

also

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/150227_devil_challenge.html

time to farm dragon zombie
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 03:48:26 AM
"Hey CD Collab is coming back finally!"
"Oh that REM! Hahaha remember when Juggler's 2 hearts 7x was the craziest thing ever?"
the true solution to power creep

creep harder
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 03:50:47 AM
the true solution to power creep

creep harder

when everything is unbalanced, nothing is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 04:07:04 AM
Quote from: Offical notice re:juggler
リーダースキルの発動や、ステータス・その他要因をチーム編成やモンスター育成、パズル等でカバーする必要があるなど、安定的に使用していくための難度は高く、様々な工夫が必要となってまいります。

"Considering the effort it takes to activate the LS, status, other factors like team building/monster levelling, puzzling skills, etc, we think it is difficult to use it well and consistently."

(one of the images of ridiculous juggler clears floating around the webs)
(http://i.imgur.com/fwpFHCF.jpg)
What team?
[/size]

when everything is unbalanced, nothing is.

Juggler only sped up the inflation process by like a year.
What this means for gungho though, is that it takes less effort for them to think of new uevos and new character skills! Because they are free to power them up to at least the level of Juggler!
They may suffer a bit of revenue loss for the next few godfeses, but their first step to fixing this is probably to make FF characters as OP.
Rebalance #6,7,8,9,10 when :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 04:08:43 AM
What team?
[/size]

yeah so much about that guy saying you only need subs to make Juggler OP.

:getdown:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 04:13:14 AM
ikr

that's why kirin/lkali kind of want to roll with light primary subs to maximize damage output with light matches

I mean, I do kind of. I run three Kalis. My blue and black subs don't work with a mono-white team yet, but my team skews white. The ultimate plans is Kali/Kali/ZeusHera/Fuma or Athena/Sun Quan/Kali, but that's not possible yet. But yeah, point taken.

http://mobile.gungho.jp/maintenance/pad/pua59k0000002ud5.html

Re: Juggler

tl:dr ver
Juggler's stronk but we can't nerf it.
We'll inflate other characters and dungeons to catch up later.

Safest way to go about it. Nothing changed much. It's just we direct all our hate from Ronia to Juggler now. Lawl.

Also did they say something which basically amounts to "We won't let that seasons guy do silly things like this again"?

Why is this more alarming to me than no announcement? I missed all of the nuance of the announcement because I can't read Japanese, but while I appreciate them addressing it in theory, this worries me. With potential accelerated creep from this and the new awakenings I fear for Gabriel's safety. He's already just a little shaky in the playability department due to his ridiculously strict sub requirements, and I don't think he can handle too much creep in dungeons. If Gabriel goes, I go. And I don't want to do that. :ohdear: #alarmism
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 04:16:13 AM
Why is this more alarming to me than no announcement? I missed all of the nuance of the announcement because I can't read Japanese, but while I appreciate them addressing it in theory, this worries me. With potential accelerated creep from this and the new awakenings I fear for Gabriel's safety. He's already just a little shaky in the playability department due to his ridiculously strict sub requirements, and I don't think he can handle too much creep in dungeons. If Gabriel goes, I go. And I don't want to do that. :ohdear: #alarmism

But Gabriel just got buffed!! Sort of!!!

...

:ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 04:18:22 AM
But Gabriel just got buffed!! Sort of!!!

...

:ohdear:

When was this? The one from a while ago with the skill lock? Or was there something else?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 04:20:43 AM
When was this? The one from a while ago with the skill lock? Or was there something else?

Uh Miracle of Ice got buffed to enhance heart orbs in the latest update.

...

:ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 04:23:14 AM
Oh wow, I missed that. I thought that meant angels 2.0 for some reason. That's actually kind of badass. I mean, it's no x7 attack for matching one orb or whatever, but it's useful for me. Neat.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 04:29:58 AM
Oh wow, I missed that. I thought that meant angels 2.0 for some reason. That's actually kind of badass. I mean, it's no x7 attack for matching one orb or whatever, but it's useful for me. Neat.

You can use Reine to break those enhanced hearts for enhanced blues too, it's subtle but nice
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 04:32:47 AM
Oh I know it. That's primarily what I'll be using this for, although the extra stalling boost is nice too. Does he enhance all hearts, or just the ones he makes? Because if it's all of them I can enhance half of the screen on average with a full burst, which is pretty good. I don't understand orb enhance well enough to know how much of a damage difference that actually makes, but it seems like a decent amount from playing with Athena.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 04:33:23 AM
Oh I know it. That's primarily what I'll be using this for, although the extra stalling boost is nice too. Does he enhance all hearts, or just the ones he makes? Because if it's all of them I can enhance half of the screen on average with a full burst, which is pretty good. I don't understand orb enhance well enough to know how much of a damage difference that actually makes, but it seems like a decent amount from playing with Athena.

He enhances all of them because the heart enhance occurs after the hearts are made.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 04:37:24 AM
Why is this more alarming to me than no announcement? I missed all of the nuance of the announcement because I can't read Japanese, but while I appreciate them addressing it in theory, this worries me. With potential accelerated creep from this and the new awakenings I fear for Gabriel's safety. He's already just a little shaky in the playability department due to his ridiculously strict sub requirements, and I don't think he can handle too much creep in dungeons. If Gabriel goes, I go. And I don't want to do that. :ohdear: #alarmism

I think they're seriously just going to keep going like Juggler never happened. They have three whole regions that can straight out act this way anyway. The only heavy blow that's been suffered here is the belief of some of the playerbase, but even then it's not all lost. They'll just have to be less stupid next time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 04:40:21 AM
I mean, I do kind of. I run three Kalis. My blue and black subs don't work with a mono-white team yet, but my team skews white. The ultimate plans is Kali/Kali/ZeusHera/Fuma or Athena/Sun Quan/Kali, but that's not possible yet. But yeah, point taken.

Definitely Fuma over Athena, or better, both over a Z&H imo.
Then again I never testing Z&H so 45% grav might turn out to be really useful, but it looks more like a situational sub to me atm.

Oh wow, I missed that. I thought that meant angels 2.0 for some reason. That's actually kind of badass. I mean, it's no x7 attack for matching one orb or whatever, but it's useful for me. Neat.

Especially since that's a buff in BOTH the stall direction and burst direction, and your gab team takes advantage of both!



My own thoughts on power creep and Juggler:
iuno what others think. But for me, I'll see people clearing things easily with Juggler while I do my thing with Bastet.
It's not like Bastet was easy to use/clear things to begin with (hahaha doing 6+ combos while fitting TPAs in it) :V compared to say, Awoken Minerva, which I heard can pretty safely clear Hera Rush for example?
It's kind of the mentality where Chirei worked hard to clear rare evo mat with leilan simply because no one did it before, except bastet is not as a hipster choice, but she's slowly fading out compared to new leaders anyways.
I think I'll avoid watching too many hyper juggler wrecking stuff vids for a while though, especially Devil and Dragon rush because I'm planning on working towards clearing them within this descend challenge or next week's devil challenge, and seeing juggler one-shotting everything with 1 row+2 hearts per active activation IS a bit discouraging. [/2cents]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 04:46:58 AM
Definitely Fuma over Athena, or better, both over a Z&H imo.

No can do, I need a dark sub of some kind. And I don't own Fuma right now, that's just an ideal team. I've considered five light subs (Valkyrie until I pull Fuma) and Hera-Is to fill both blue and black, but the team cost is well outside of my league right now if I use Athena.

Then again I never testing Z&H so 45% grav might turn out to be really useful, but it looks more like a situational sub to me atm.

I like them more for their huge stats and three skillboosts than for anything else, honestly. I don't see the gravity coming up very often since it's pretty tricky to stall with Kali due to her weak HP and no heartmaker. But that team is extremely skillboost-hungry. I'm sick of insta-dying floor one to a bad opening roll.

Especially since that's a buff in BOTH the stall direction and burst direction, and your gab team takes advantage of both!

A well-rounded buff for a well-rounded guy. I like it. Enhanced hearts are cool, this is cool.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 05:04:41 AM
No can do, I need a dark sub of some kind. And I don't own Fuma right now, that's just an ideal team. I've considered five light subs (Valkyrie until I pull Fuma) and Hera-Is to fill both blue and black, but the team cost is well outside of my league right now if I use Athena.

I like them more for their huge stats and three skillboosts than for anything else, honestly. I don't see the gravity coming up very often since it's pretty tricky to stall with Kali due to her weak HP and no heartmaker. But that team is extremely skillboost-hungry. I'm sick of insta-dying floor one to a bad opening roll.

A well-rounded buff for a well-rounded guy. I like it. Enhanced hearts are cool, this is cool.

Whoops sorry I totally still rmb you need a dark in your team but that kinda went out of my head as I typed. What about Gran? Z&H descend is notably harder, and unusable cd without skill up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 05:18:25 AM
yamap tweeted about awoken Egyptian and indian 1.0 awoken uvo

paging suecomma for isis buff incoming
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on February 27, 2015, 05:19:49 AM
yamap tweeted about awoken Egyptian and indian 1.0 awoken uvo

paging suecomma for isis buff incoming

ULTRA SHIVA HYPE

...

AWAKENING EVO MATS UNHYPE
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 05:21:58 AM
ULTRA SHIVA HYPE

...

AWAKENING EVO MATS UNHYPE

tfw i just uvo parvati recently
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on February 27, 2015, 05:24:28 AM
I think they're seriously just going to keep going like Juggler never happened. They have three whole regions that can straight out act this way anyway. The only heavy blow that's been suffered here is the belief of some of the playerbase, but even then it's not all lost. They'll just have to be less stupid next time.

Yeah, I think it'll be the same as before only inside Ronia side of the force will exist a deeper region known as the juggler side of the force.
yamap tweeted about awoken Egyptian and indian 1.0 awoken uvo

paging suecomma for isis buff incoming

What do you think they'll need? Thoth and Sopdet are good Canidates. Blue Dark Isis? There's also Medjed, so you could possibly have B/G Isis.

I can't think of too many Indian dungeons. I guess with Venus, there is precedent for needing guys outside your pantheon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on February 27, 2015, 05:33:29 AM
The real question is

Will Shiva and Kali finally be reunited? :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 05:36:46 AM
Whoops sorry I totally still rmb you need a dark in your team but that kinda went out of my head as I typed. What about Gran? Z&H descend is notably harder, and unusable cd without skill up.

I'll grab one and try it, but in that case it seems like I should just use Yomi (assuming I can get a Yomi, but I got twenty pulls plus waiting for her to come back around, so I have at least a decent chance). Compared to ZH, not sure if lack of a two-prong is made up for by all of the orb enhances. The finger and skill lock are pretty handy though. Definitely an option worth considering. As I've said before, that's what makes Kali fun. All the choices. Gabriel, for all of his upsides, offers basically no choices, so it's a good change of pace.

Kali/Kali/Gran/Fuma/Sun Quan/Kali seems like a pretty solid dream team. 80% lock resist, 2.5 seconds time extend, x100+ attack probably for two turns in a row, seven skillboosts (just enough to have Kali up on turn one), quite a few enhance orbs, and a Change-The-World-like effect. Lacks survivability of any kind, but hopefully by the time Gran rolls around I can just use that double-black Izanami team if I need to do anything other than punch dudes. Almost makes me want to hold off on rolling for Yomi in hopes of getting a decent shot at Fuma, but I'm not sure if my patience can hold out that long. I haven't pulled anything since December.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 05:37:27 AM
Yeah, I think it'll be the same as before only inside Ronia side of the force will exist a deeper region known as the juggler side of the force.
What do you think they'll need? Thoth and Sopdet are good Canidates. Blue Dark Isis? There's also Medjed, so you could possibly have B/G Isis.

I can't think of too many Indian dungeons. I guess with Venus, there is precedent for needing guys outside your pantheon.

I evolved Sopdet and left her at lv1 for this day. Surely for Bastet's uevo she must show who's the best egypt girl

These uevos are definitely planned, as Norns are strictly better than Indians, and Egypts 2.0 overcame Egypts' greatest weakness, bad survavibility when orbtrolled. (Well for combo leads it's more like stall until you get that good board for 8c or something I guess). Juggler probably pushed then forward.

Also, just a thought I had.
YamaP seems confident about rebalancing everything, why is that? Remember what game-breaking mechanic is going to be released? Special Awakenings!
Collab characters used to not get awakenings, so considering CD would have ended by then, Juggler getting special awakenings' chances are next to none.
There we go! Instant power up to every other existing character, while naturally excluding Juggler! [/speculation]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 06:41:24 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/571197620774838272

awoken lakshmi art
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 27, 2015, 07:05:46 AM
when everything is unbalanced, nothing is.

For the first time in my life I actually agree with this sentence, so long as they actually creep everything and everyone and keep making dungeons that are also pretty hard to compensate, I don't mind powercreep in a purely PvE game.

...If we ever get an actual PvP element though, I'm gonna flip a table.

(Of course, that's assuming they creep everyone which with a game that's gotten as massive as PaD has, is going to be hard to do, to say the least.)

yamap tweeted about awoken Egyptian and indian 1.0 awoken uvo

paging suecomma for isis buff incoming

I know you probably forgot about me and my Horus for this one but even so...

/me internally squeals like a fangirl
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 07:32:08 AM
I know you probably forgot about me and my Horus for this one but even so...

/me internally squeals like a fangirl

Read the post quoted below and you will know why I specifically mentioned Suecomma :v

so this mean isis buffs right

not like +100 attack but a legit buff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 27, 2015, 07:38:19 AM
Oh, :derp: I had already forgotten that Horus didn't even have subtypes before the rebalances.

My bad.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 27, 2015, 07:49:08 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/571197620774838272

awoken lakshmi art

She's adorable and I must have her.

(betting on the awoken egyptian being Bastet :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 07:50:53 AM
(betting on the awoken egyptian being Bastet :V)

there will be multiple. I guarantee you Horus will be one of them too cause he's really popular in Japan. JP players will riot if he's not one of them. Also Ra.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 27, 2015, 08:03:18 AM
She's adorable and I must have her.

(betting on the awoken egyptian being Bastet :V)

I'd rather Bastet take her time because the first ones to evolve are kinda testing the waters in this post-Juggler world [/selfish] , but I guess someone gotta be the test rat :V

Well for any egypts or indians, their main problem was severely outdated active (barring Isis and Anubis), awoken uevo = new actives.
Actives are very important because when you use dual leads of something you get two active slots spent.
Leader Skills are easily adjusted in future rebalance patches I guess :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 27, 2015, 08:28:49 AM
https://www.facebook.com/PuzzleAndDragonsOfficial/photos/a.532262196802377.135063.484776928217571/1021535834541675/?type=1&theater

In case you missed Chirei's post in the last thread
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2015, 10:27:21 AM
The friends list needs to be pruned anyway, so let's do this.

I'll update the topic post if you quote this and respond with your top two leaders.

Anyone who doesn't will have their friend code removed by the time this topic is closed (or something).

Rodin, Ronia, Rares, Ridunn&Ridunna, Randora, Rathena, Ramaterasu :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 27, 2015, 01:48:22 PM
Challenge Descends! I took down Wadatsumi and Beelzebub for the Ceres skillups (skillmaxed!) and Satan for a Flampy (Hera-Ur skillup!) thus far.

Also lol TAMADRApurin clears for Satan and Beelzebub as well. Not worrying about random Binding Waves helps.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 02:08:49 PM
Challenge Descends! I took down Wadatsumi and Beelzebub for the Ceres skillups (skillmaxed!) and Satan for a Flampy (Hera-Ur skillup!) thus far.

Also lol TAMADRApurin clears for Satan and Beelzebub as well. Not worrying about random Binding Waves helps.

So far I've got Hera-Ur and Satan for Misato skillups. Then I figured I'd go do vanilla Hera to get the stone and burn stamina before I rank up and I fucking died somehow. Clearly I should not be playing this early in the morning.

Next up is Hera-Sowilo, which isn't especially hard for me, just extremely long to the point that I often slip up somewhere along the line. Not "just got up, barely awake" material.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on February 27, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
Decided to uvo my first Ronia. Didn't get a single skill up during it.

I then fed 3 cyclops to my Apollo, and got all three. I much prefer this outcome.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 27, 2015, 02:51:51 PM
SCREW THE RULES I HAVE HP (http://imgur.com/QO8dCQb)

Spamming Beelzebub's active repeatedly through the dungeon for yoroshiko heals was fun. Seven turn Ceres was also used very frequently.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on February 27, 2015, 03:09:46 PM
SCREW THE RULES I HAVE HP (http://imgur.com/QO8dCQb)

Spamming Beelzebub's active repeatedly through the dungeon for yoroshiko heals was fun. Seven turn Ceres was also used very frequently.

Was that enough to tank Ifrit?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 03:25:01 PM
Good thing my 0s of Hera-Ur paid off yesterday - now I can take her down without reservations.

Was that enough to tank Ifrit?


It helps if you can somehow bait out the water binds in the dungeon - Angelion and Isis's not-autoheal helped me a lot, maybe something similar might work for you?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 27, 2015, 03:26:01 PM
Was that enough to tank Ifrit?

Ifrit only does more than 10958 when he's below 50%. I think he only used God Gaia Breath twice, but even that didn't do that much damage. I was more taken aback at how quickly Minerva died, but she only has 900,000 HP I guess. oh god if I didn't OH her then whoops

I actually got to sit around on Hera-Ur for a while chipping her HP down while I waited for Ultra Gravity to come up. She had used Flame Pillar three times but 27,000 damage each is no biggie :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 03:27:15 PM
Oh goddammit an Indian 1+2 godfest tomorrow... with these awoken evos being announced... temptation to pull never been higher
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on February 27, 2015, 03:31:30 PM
Forgot about Poring Towrper so I did my Hera run, got my 2m coins, so I guess that was good,  Then I DID remember Tower, and so far out of the feeds I've don(only 3 runs) I have managed...to maxskill my Rowdy Red and that's it.  no skillups on Lilith(3 Ghostrings), GreatValk(1 drops), CuChu(1 poporing or whatever it is), Sieg(1 marin)...

This is not a good start.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 27, 2015, 03:34:03 PM
oh so regarding Lakshmi's awoken uvo art

is that Noah's rainbow I see in there? CAN WE GET ANOTHER PHYSICAL BLUE MOB PLEASE YES PLEASE
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 03:35:28 PM
...so apparently this can happen with gift dungeons

(http://i.imgur.com/MkiSIGN.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 27, 2015, 03:37:40 PM
...so apparently this can happen with gift dungeons

(http://i.imgur.com/MkiSIGN.png)
Mine was plussed as well. I think it's poking fun at the + earring the bear is wearing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
wait every awoken ult has a new active right?

welp gonna lose all my Isis skillups :ohdear:

on the other hand oh boy new Isis active

they just need to ditch the weak ass heal in favor of something actually useful like delay, damage boost, orb enhance, or maybe even random blue orb spawns since that would actually work with Isis

of course it should still clear binds otherwise Isis loses her antibind utility which would be dumb

man if it was just 1 turn delay + heal binds on a 3 turn cd it would be crazy and also shit all over okuni :V

or they could take the 'weaker version but lower cd' route and maker her only recover binds but on a 1 turn cd BV


for leader skill, there's a few options

buffing tankiness is an obvious one although it does step on egypt 2.0's toes

increasing all of her multipliers by x0.5 would be great although she'd make DQ pretty terrible in comparison (well DQ still has an upcoming ult so eh)
although having a max of x5 still sucks compared to juggler >_>

giving her an extra multiplier for water types to encourage building water rainbow would make sense. It would make the Isis, Muse, Orochi, Bodin team all the more optimal while not messing with the general rainbow power curve

there's also the option of giving her a really big multiplier just for all orbs matched. right now x4.5 for all orbs really sucks for how hard it is to get all orbs. x7 for all orbs would push her into Ra/Juggler territory which could make sense. she'd basically be the same as L/L Ra except with a bigger safety net, which could be fair if they end up buffing Ra a lot as well


oh yeah finally awakenings

since every awoken ult evo gets 4 more awakenings I'm assuming it will be the same here

as a combo leader, Isis desperately wants at least one time+, beyond that it actually kind of depends on how they end up chaining her active and leader skill

for instance if they make her active 1 turn clear 2 turns of bind, her sub utility goes way up as the best bind clearer in the game by far. In this case to add to the combo team utility she wants skill lock resist, skill boosts (rip lmeta :V), and maybe a blind resist. knowing gungho though they like to take things to extremes so they would probably give her bind recover as well and just be like THERE BEST ANTIBINDER BY FAR LOOKS GOOD

if they make her tankier but by giving her elemental resists, then she'd might get resist awakenings and autoheals cause that's what minerva and friends got but that would be dumb gungho pls no

now if gungho isn't dumb and actually decide to make her a legit leader, then on top of time+, she needs at least double TPA, especially since her base attack is pretty terrible for a REM god. Like before they gave her a slight buff, it was pretty much the worst in the game for 7 star gods. Hell even triple TPA wouldn't be too ridiculous compared to the other triple TPA guys that now exist. Rows would be bad because you can't really color combo and row at the same time. +orbs eh it would make sense for a skyfall combo leader like Isis but unless they add orb enhance to her active as well as double orb enhance buff it won't make that much of a difference, especially compared to triple TPA.
alternatively they could keep pushing her as a utility combo leader, in which case she gets time+, skill lock resist, skill boost, and blind resist. it wouldn't be bad per say but it would literally just give her the same awakening utility as ult kirin, which hardly pushes her into the juggler zone


tl;dr gungho pls give better active, leader skill, and triple tpa
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 03:44:44 PM
spoiler her active is a 1cd heal that is about 5x as strong
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on February 27, 2015, 03:54:41 PM
Naw man, healers have declared a monopoly on all cool blue stuff, even if it's just a subtype :V

wait every awoken ult has a new active right?

welp gonna lose all my Isis skillups :ohdear:

on the other hand oh boy new Isis active

they just need to ditch the weak ass heal in favor of something actually useful like delay, damage boost, orb enhance, or maybe even random blue orb spawns since that would actually work with Isis

of course it should still clear binds otherwise Isis loses her antibind utility which would be dumb

man if it was just 1 turn delay + heal binds on a 3 turn cd it would be crazy and also shit all over okuni :V

or they could take the 'weaker version but lower cd' route and maker her only recover binds but on a 1 turn cd BV


for leader skill, there's a few options

buffing tankiness is an obvious one although it does step on egypt 2.0's toes

increasing all of her multipliers by x0.5 would be great although she'd make DQ pretty terrible in comparison (well DQ still has an upcoming ult so eh)
although having a max of x5 still sucks compared to juggler >_>

giving her an extra multiplier for water types to encourage building water rainbow would make sense. It would make the Isis, Muse, Orochi, Bodin team all the more optimal while not messing with the general rainbow power curve

there's also the option of giving her a really big multiplier just for all orbs matched. right now x4.5 for all orbs really sucks for how hard it is to get all orbs. x7 for all orbs would push her into Ra/Juggler territory which could make sense. she'd basically be the same as L/L Ra except with a bigger safety net, which could be fair if they end up buffing Ra a lot as well


oh yeah finally awakenings

since every awoken ult evo gets 4 more awakenings I'm assuming it will be the same here

as a combo leader, Isis desperately wants at least one time+, beyond that it actually kind of depends on how they end up chaining her active and leader skill

for instance if they make her active 1 turn clear 2 turns of bind, her sub utility goes way up as the best bind clearer in the game by far. In this case to add to the combo team utility she wants skill lock resist, skill boosts (rip lmeta :V), and maybe a blind resist. knowing gungho though they like to take things to extremes so they would probably give her bind recover as well and just be like THERE BEST ANTIBINDER BY FAR LOOKS GOOD

if they make her tankier but by giving her elemental resists, then she'd might get resist awakenings and autoheals cause that's what minerva and friends got but that would be dumb gungho pls no

now if gungho isn't dumb and actually decide to make her a legit leader, then on top of time+, she needs at least double TPA, especially since her base attack is pretty terrible for a REM god. Like before they gave her a slight buff, it was pretty much the worst in the game for 7 star gods. Hell even triple TPA wouldn't be too ridiculous compared to the other triple TPA guys that now exist. Rows would be bad because you can't really color combo and row at the same time. +orbs eh it would make sense for a skyfall combo leader like Isis but unless they add orb enhance to her active as well as double orb enhance buff it won't make that much of a difference, especially compared to triple TPA.
alternatively they could keep pushing her as a utility combo leader, in which case she gets time+, skill lock resist, skill boost, and blind resist. it wouldn't be bad per say but it would literally just give her the same awakening utility as ult kirin, which hardly pushes her into the juggler zone


tl;dr gungho pls give better active, leader skill, and triple tpa
She's going to go B/G and her active will be bind recovery and an attack boost to gods. Then right after you ult her again, your next roll will be Muse  >:D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 04:08:28 PM
:colonveeplusalpha:

although i just realized NONE of the awoken UEVOs are Gods

they all lose their God subtypes so maybe muse would be useless for super Isis anyways?

guess i'll hold off on pulling for now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 27, 2015, 05:03:59 PM
Not-quite-hyper!

(http://i.imgur.com/1le6p0kl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/1le6p0k.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 27, 2015, 05:34:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KyqWk1J.png)

it's over. ahahahahahah it's over it took me over a YEAR to do it's over though

Reine needs one more, Elize needs a few more but she's not really a priority, and lilith needs two or three more.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 05:34:46 PM
Hmm maybe for Awoken Anubis he might get something like x2 dark types as a base so that way even if you mess up your combo you still have x4 and when you do get x10 you deal x400 as a fuck you juggler there's only one true god :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
I forget how easy Beelzebub is. Fried up that Woodpy and fed it to GZL because fuck it. I'll throw piis in a hole, I don't care (I do care about Shynpy though, gimme it).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2015, 06:27:40 PM
oh yeah I guess I should save my bubpys for potential super isis :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 27, 2015, 06:33:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QuTDXMw.jpg)
SCREW THE RULES I STILL HAVE HP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 27, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
oh so regarding Lakshmi's awoken uvo art

is that Noah's rainbow I see in there? CAN WE GET ANOTHER PHYSICAL BLUE MOB PLEASE YES PLEASE

Yeah, it looks like it. The other guess for evo mat would be wadatsumi (Which would make her Physical/Balanced or vice-versa) but balanced is already part of her twinlit uvo, and if they really want to make her strong they'd push her into the blue healer front, which would mean that her second evo mat would be either Guan Yinping or Sandalphon (Which are the only two healer descends, what.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 07:26:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QuTDXMw.jpg)
SCREW THE RULES I STILL HAVE HP

Isn't it great? How's your tecovery?

(Which are the only two healer descends, what.)

Valkyriiiiiie.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on February 27, 2015, 07:35:20 PM
Valkyriiiiiie.
*grumbles*
She still should be a permanent by now...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on February 27, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
There's also a possiblity that the person Lakshimi needs has yet to come out yet. Zeus Merc came out shortly after the Awoken Greeks were announced.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 27, 2015, 09:05:00 PM
Isn't it great? How's your tecovery?
Most of my RCV is tied to Beelzebub and Awoken Ceres actives. Fortunately I just got Ceres skill maxed so healing 30% of 80,000 every seven turns is still pretty huge.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 09:09:54 PM
So I decided to go nuts today and successfully double downed Izanami after a handful of tries. Feels good to be part of the new world order.

(http://i.imgur.com/8UqCpdh.png) (http://i.imgur.com/BjEZ3rZ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/CAj36tU.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Kc0ytVQ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/fe1r02S.png) (http://i.imgur.com/6FgbXhG.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/K7Svu8M.png) (http://i.imgur.com/8j5tKUp.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 09:12:53 PM
Would you guys mind looking at my Padherder and helping me make a Hera-Beorc mythical team? Unfortunately it's not fully up to date. If something looks like it's being worked on assume it's probably done now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
Would you guys mind looking at my Padherder and helping me make a Hera-Beorc mythical team? Unfortunately it's not fully up to date. If something looks like it's being worked on assume it's probably done now.

I guess the first question I should ask: What answers do you have for Hades? I don't know what you use as big burst in your box, since everyone uses stuff differently.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 27, 2015, 10:54:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QuTDXMw.jpg)
SCREW THE RULES I STILL HAVE HP

(http://i.imgur.com/oqBuSU2l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/oqBuSU2.jpg)

WHEN YOU HIT US WE JUST GET BACK UP AGAIN
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2015, 11:10:36 PM
I guess the first question I should ask: What answers do you have for Hades? I don't know what you use as big burst in your box, since everyone uses stuff differently.

I don't know. I guess GZL, Sun Quan, King Shynee, and Durga are all things I've used in the past that could qualify. With some teams I can stall up for them, other teams maybe not as easily. Do you think bringing a light team (probably Kali but maybe Athena) and trying to stall out the light absorb on Beorc is plausible? If I just bring a strong light team I can probably smash him without any skills.

For the record, I want that Shynpy and am willing to take a few tries at this if necessary. If it's a matter of running a team with a 40-60% lock resist and just re-trying until it works I have no problem with that. This does not need to be a stable team, just one that's technically capable of clearing out of a few tries.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 27, 2015, 11:21:46 PM
So... Horus, GZL or LMeta for Cauchemar? I'm gonna spend as much time as I can doing Poring Tower to see if I can skillup my chibi valk but after that I intend to do all descends at least until Satan (Since I need the flampys for the inevitable Awoken Horus)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2015, 11:49:26 PM
For the record, I want that Shynpy and am willing to take a few tries at this if necessary. If it's a matter of running a team with a 40-60% lock resist and just re-trying until it works I have no problem with that. This does not need to be a stable team, just one that's technically capable of clearing out of a few tries.

If you're willing to do that, then you can probably stall out photosynthesis. Just be ready to take on the occasional getting tied up which may or may not need heartmakers to survive. I wonder if slotting Gabe onto LKali would be okay? Also she may rarely hit you with her normal attack, which for some reason hits disproportionately harder than her other moves despite just being a normal attack.

Athena I think has no chance unless you get silly lucky. You'll probably get trashed by Beorc, and getting high RCV on her team is an issue.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 27, 2015, 11:50:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0iLW3m7l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0iLW3m7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZPxIpFql.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZPxIpFq.jpg)

Screwing the rules because I have HP worked about as well as expected. Only trouble spot was wave 2 because I killed wave 1 a few turns earlier than I wanted to, but luckily only two of the cyclops were synced.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2015, 12:27:51 AM
If you're willing to do that, then you can probably stall out photosynthesis. Just be ready to take on the occasional getting tied up which may or may not need heartmakers to survive. I wonder if slotting Gabe onto LKali would be okay? Also she may rarely hit you with her normal attack, which for some reason hits disproportionately harder than her other moves despite just being a normal attack.

Athena I think has no chance unless you get silly lucky. You'll probably get trashed by Beorc, and getting high RCV on her team is an issue.

Yup, sounds about like my thoughts so far. I got this:

Lkali/Lkali or Echidna/Gabriel/Sun Quan/Durga/Lkali

Not sure how many Kalis is enough. Having Echidna would help for stalling against Beorc, but still might not be enough stall and I don't know if I would be able to kill anything with just two of them as my only white subs. This is going to be tough.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 28, 2015, 12:35:19 AM
Yup, sounds about like my thoughts so far. I got this:

Lkali/Lkali or Echidna/Gabriel/Sun Quan/Durga/Lkali

Not sure how many Kalis is enough. Having Echidna would help for stalling against Beorc, but still might not be enough stall and I don't know if I would be able to kill anything with just two of them as my only white subs. This is going to be tough.

It's not gonna be easy either way - but you have one reprieve. Since Kalis are most of your damage, you can throw all caution to the wind and match as much of the board as possible per turn and try to maximize heart drops while Gabe is down/you're not ready to use him yet. This is a problem I ran into in Izanami with Leilan, but not having it affect you will be a great boon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2015, 02:48:05 AM
What kind of odds do you think GZL has in Hera-Beorc? I don't have enough subs leveled really, but I could do GZL/Athena/Rose/Chu (severely underleveled)/Meimei/GZL. No idea if that even has a chance, but the dungeon does have pre-emptives to knock my health down and potentially enough turns to let me get up all my attacks. I could sub out something for Satan or Echidna too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 28, 2015, 02:57:02 AM
I don't know what his output is like since I haven't led with him too much, but you'd pretty much need to be able to just run through Hades before your health fills back up, and you might as well try to make it SB resistant so you can actually use the attacker boost for Beorc.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2015, 03:43:07 AM
Well shit, it actually worked. Took two tries, but I got her with GZL/Athena/Valkyrie/Meimei/Echidna/GZL. I'd take a picture but my phone is broken and can't screencap any more.

First run I got an unfortunate heart skyfall against Hades and had to blow every skill to kill him before he got me. My skill lock resists protected me against Leviathan, I didn't have much trouble with him, then I died to Beorc one turn before my seven-star was back up.

Second run I used the seven-star and a GZL active first-turn against Hades to one-shot him. My skill lock resists worked again, and I entered Beorc with Echidna up and two turns before Meimei was back up. Used Echidna, stalled for the seven-star, and dropped Beorc down to ~20%, then just barely squeaked out killing her the following turn.

That was rough, I could have and probably should have died at a couple of points in both runs. Needless to say, Kali skillmax. That was my first ever Beorc clear, and I jumped straight to mythical.

Next up is Hera-Sowilo, which I know I can clear. Then I'm cleaning up a few of the lower difficulties, then probably Izanami (which won't be easy, but is very possible with Kali and I need both the Pii and a second black Izanami). And if I'm feeling really masochistic I might round things off with Wadatsumi. I may try Athena against him. Now that I have Odin to help mitigate Siren's pre-emptive gravity with his active I think I have a shot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 28, 2015, 04:07:20 AM
And if I'm feeling really masochistic I might round things off with Wadatsumi. I may try Athena against him. Now that I have Odin to help mitigate Siren's pre-emptive gravity with his active I think I have a shot.

Remember that Wadatsumi bars the use of all Awakenings, so your TPAs are all gone and you're just playing regular 'ol 9x. UmiYama may also survive if you try to burst past them due to friend Athenas having a green subelement, and then you'll probably instantly die unless your team is really beefed up with the HP boost. On top of that Wada also hits like a truck, and even with the heartmake attack, you'll probably lose out in a slugfest with Athena.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2015, 04:26:06 AM
Oh I know it. I've cleared Wadatsumi before with Gabriel, I'm aware of how shitty he is. I'm keeping the awakenings thing well in mind, because if not for that clearing him would be easy.

Against UmiYama I just have to hope I get lucky and can get a big hit off on them without any green skyfalls. I'm actually not that worried about Wadatsumi himself if I can get that far with a few of my skills up (most my seven-star, which I don't think would be necessary or useful against much else) because my Athena team has a lot of green that's super effective against him and his HP is extremely low. Maybe I'm overestimating how much damage my team does without prongs, but I think I stand a chance. The highest variability comes on UmiYama I think (although I can comfortably take one hit from them at fill health) because of the skyfall problem, but again I don't mind trying a few times.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 28, 2015, 06:12:22 AM
Japan Player Choice GodFest!

How many gods I am missing from the lineup: 21

https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/571552495861821440

How many gods I am missing from the lineup after the pulls: 21

:qq: :qq: :qq:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 28, 2015, 06:47:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TDtN6yKl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TDtN6yK.jpg)

SCREW THE RUL--actually no keep following the rules it's the only reason I'm alive here

Seriously, you'd think if the player's one hit away from death they'd do that hit instead of putting up a status shield. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on February 28, 2015, 07:03:02 AM
Even if i have plenty of spare stones when doing a 20 box challenge;

(http://i.imgur.com/V2UtF9q.png)

Things I already fed off: Sylph, Grimrock, Genie

Of course the only god I roll would be a Hathor. Has no use as a dupe unlike LKali except as a stat stick.

A solid PCGF.


Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 28, 2015, 07:04:22 AM

Seriously, you'd think if the player's one hit away from death they'd do that hit instead of putting up a status shield. :V

You know in some descends, some enemy do attack you on their pre-empt at a certain chance instead of doing their darken/poison/whatevergimmick if your hp is 1-shot-able :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 28, 2015, 08:04:48 AM
Rolled hoping for any Indian 1.0 or 2.0 that isn't Vritra.


Hello, Skuld the 2nd.

I guess I have a blue fruit outlet since apparently I'm meant to be trapped in trifruit hell forever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 28, 2015, 08:12:18 AM
Woke up right at 3AM and did two bathroom pulls.

(http://i.imgur.com/Xb6oahk.png) (http://i.imgur.com/vp48tID.png)

Both of them I really really really wanted for a long time. I am really happy right now that I get to save 47 stones. Bathroom mega OP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on February 28, 2015, 08:42:57 AM
Kosuke theorycrafts on Norns (Video #1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwp_E9DdAU)

This is the first part of a series on the Norns which introduces them and basic teambuilding ideas to incorporate if you own one of these timely beauties.

1. You may want to include at least one enhance. Examples:
Norse Gods for color enhance (Freyr / Freyja / I&I)
Grimoires for orb enhance
Armored Knights for type enhance. You may use Muse for Skuld to be on-color but your Skuld team must be God type not physical

2. Valkyries are one of their best friends (Femme / Reine / Elize)

3. You should focus on TPA subs instead of rows, but you can use Archdemons as subs because they have skillboost and strong stats (Belial / Amon / Astaroth). Good examples would be Valks, Awoken Kagu for Urd, UVO Blodin for Skuld, and Liu Bei for Verdandi

4. It can be said that Norns are more REM-dependent than some other leaders to make a strong team, but you can still make a decent Norn team with farmable subs.

5. They have very strong LS and you are not restricted to R/B or G/R or B/G (depends on your Norn). You should stick to going mono-color for Norns.

6. Their stats are very good and worth their cost.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 28, 2015, 02:03:28 PM
Hey heeeeey I got Dill Sirius.

If the DC Collaboration wasn't far gone and away I would be incredibly hyped to skill him up and use him on Beelzebub but -nope- not right now.

Edit: ahahahaha the singular Lex Luthor I was keeping for collection purposes gave a skill up

Reedit: whatdoyoumean Byakko uses a gravity in Kouryu's dungeon aaaghhhh
Maybe I shouldn't go in without looking at the dungeon information again.

Rere edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/4DuLaBr.jpg)
THE BEELZEBAE FLYTERCYCLE IS UNSTOPPABLE
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on February 28, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
Got Reine max skilled, got a king mastering finally.  Everything has gone well!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 28, 2015, 07:18:08 PM
You know in some descends, some enemy do attack you on their pre-empt at a certain chance instead of doing their darken/poison/whatevergimmick if your hp is 1-shot-able :V

Yeah, I know AB Dashing Wingman was the first to do that sort of thing IIRC. I more meant "why bother making your first actual turn a status shield when you can...I dunno, just hit me".

Meanwhile!

(http://i.imgur.com/T5QIRogl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/T5QIRog.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tR4jWugl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tR4jWug.jpg)

[13:17:22] <~rdj522> Wadanohara bad end 3: trapped in an egg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on February 28, 2015, 07:36:03 PM
Whoops I got Satan.

Also IIRC a Flampy, which is an even more appealing prize.  I need to be sure to go back later and get the stone for his actual dungeon, too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2015, 09:03:35 PM
Athena in Wadatsumi is not working well. That floor two dragon is a monster. Going to have to rethink this. Maybe just a Valkyrie team with high recovery and a lot of fast orb changers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on February 28, 2015, 09:36:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/3U3ClWc.png)(http://i.imgur.com/hDecoQZ.png)


True Dragon Realm Legend Plus

clear on first try o_o

Technically first legend plus clear with Bastet party because my hera rush clear was bastet/kushi :V !!!
(I py'd thief to skill max before this, and I never used his skill. :| though seriously I would've needed his skill if I got DarkFagan or extremeKing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9HqewqbrlU
^vid link
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on February 28, 2015, 09:45:19 PM
BAD INFLUENCE YOLOROLL -> PARVATI

<3<3<3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on February 28, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
Plus eggs are a wonderful thing. I can beat so many challenges with this simple team now.
(http://i.imgur.com/nYDhdcEl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/nYDhdcE)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on February 28, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
i feel like i should really be able to clear true endless

but every time i try something fucks up like i dont know


also running poring tower all day and i skilled up everything except for reine who i actually wanted


>try to burst beelz
>lives with one hp and does full board poison

gungho pls buff isis

her attack is so bad

please
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 01, 2015, 03:18:59 AM
BAD INFLUENCE YOLOROLL -> PARVATI

<3<3<3
BAD INFLUENCE YOLOROLL -> LIGHT KALI

<3<3<3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2015, 03:34:31 AM
BAD INFLUENCE YOLOROLL -> LIGHT KALI

<3<3<3

Yaaaaay! Join the cult! Join the cult!

Edit: Bad influence roll: Wee Jas (the white one). Badass.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2015, 03:44:41 AM
my rng is terrible today so no yolo

rngesus give skillups then we'll talk
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 01, 2015, 03:55:52 AM
Yaaaaay! Join the cult! Join the cult!

Edit: Bad influence roll: Wee Jas (the white one). Badass.

My bad inflence roll was Lilith.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 01, 2015, 05:00:10 AM
BAD INFLUENCE YOLOROLL -> LIGHT KALI

<3<3<3

BAD INFLUENCE YOLOROLL -> HAKU

<3<3<3

also i got ronia and andromeda so thats a thing

i also now have 4 Lkalis
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 01, 2015, 05:16:43 AM
BAD INFLUENCE YOLOROLL -> HAKU

<3<3<3

also i got ronia and andromeda so thats a thing

i also now have 4 Lkalis
Dear God(s), trance, what the heck!?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 01, 2015, 05:34:15 AM
Dear God(s), trance, what the heck!?

It feels weird not being the one bingerolling.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 01, 2015, 06:01:01 AM
It feels weird not being the one bingerolling.

i am become whale

destroyer of pads

Dear God(s), trance, what the heck!?

i also now have 3 grodins and 2 dmetas too :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 01, 2015, 09:54:43 AM
Spent all day grinding up stones for another pull.

[04:35:39] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> well that was an enormous fucking waste of time
[04:35:48] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> spent all day grinding up one last pull
[04:35:51] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> and what is it
[04:35:54] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> a fucking valkyrie
[04:36:00] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> a motherfucking valkyrie
[04:36:09] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> like the one I spent a year skillmaxing
[04:36:27] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> like the five I grabbed last week.
[04:36:39] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I cannot think of anything more worthless than this.
[04:37:24] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I really am never meant to get any good Indian gods, am I.
[04:37:40] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> every time one of the fests come along I go all out and NOTHING
[04:37:43] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> (but vritra.)

:persona:

What a fucking waste of my day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 01, 2015, 12:47:13 PM
That kinda reminds me of the one day when I ground up like 2 or 3 stones for it to pop out an Ice Golem, so I totally feel for you, Matsy.

Pad is a cruel mistress.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
The only stone I ground up today (for a duplicate Kurone! :c) was Zeus Mercury.

Zeus Mercury didn't board the Beelzebub train, because I ran him over. (http://imgur.com/ZzjFcdg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 01, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Oh wait hahaha I forgot I have babyvalk to skill up nooooo  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2015, 05:28:34 PM
Oh wait hahaha I forgot I have babyvalk to skill up nooooo  :ohdear:

HA HA HA OWNED
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 01, 2015, 05:57:53 PM
Had a small moment of weakness and decided to buy a couple pulls (there's truly no harm in doing it once every few fests, especially when I have 1/10 of the pantheons).

What did I get though?

Pull 3: Ronia dupe
Pull 4: Shardra
Pull 5, to finish off the 4 stones I had left: Toytops

This game has a sick sense of irony. Glad to know I have every reason to stop paying GH for bad rolls rofl
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2015, 06:15:17 PM
And yet you still pay them for rolls :V

(he said, occasionally doing the same shit himself)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2015, 06:21:09 PM
I pay for rolls occasionally, which is to say I've spent $30(?) total. Both times it was kind of worth it too. First time got me the Misato I never use and all of the Eva silver eggs, second time got me the Liu Bei I never use but it's good I have I guess.  I've never actually pulled something I use in heavy rotation with money dollar stones, but I've never been totally screwed by it.

On one hand I feel like I've gotten well over $30 worth of enjoyment out of PAD, on the other hand it's cost me like hundreds of dollars already in lost productivity, so I'm already kind of whaling. But that's all kay, if it wasn't this it would have been something else. That's what I tell myself anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2015, 06:51:30 PM
even though at the heart of this game, we're looking at static images doing the same five (ten if you have aoe on!) attacks to even more static images over and over again

I get to ogle at cards like Fagan and Odin, though, so no biggie.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 01, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
And yet you still pay them for rolls :V

(he said, occasionally doing the same shit himself)

I went two months not spending a penny and it was great. The only reason I did today was because of the upcoming awoken Indians and the fact that after all this time, they're the two pantheons I've got only one from, so any pull would have been a good investment, I feel.

Now I have no real reason to pull again unless they come around again. :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
so I've been thinking about whether to field Zeus Stratios on my Beelzebub team because my RCV is definitely all %HP, and Zeus Stratios definitely has the dual prong, huge HP and huge attack that I want.

Buuuut if I want to push the "MOAR HP WHO NEEDS RCV" idea even farther, there's also Satan, who would increase my HP by 25,000+ singlehandedly. His three rows will help out my Byakko+CDD burst, and in the event there are still too many fire orbs for my liking I can use World's End.

Zeus, or Satan...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2015, 07:13:04 PM
even though at the heart of this game, we're looking at static images doing the same five (ten if you have aoe on!) attacks to even more static images over and over again

I get to ogle at cards like Fagan and Odin, though, so no biggie.

Two of my major hobbies are reading comic books, the heart of which is looking at static images of weirdly-proportioned people wearing goofy outfits, and playing Magic, the heart of which is looking at static images of wizards and monsters. I do a lot of this kind of thing. PAD, like the others, just takes imaginaaaaatiooooon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
Has anyone else tried Pokemon Shuffle? It's pretty much Pokemon PaD except you only swap two orbs each turn instead of dragging them around, which sounds at lot less complicated but in practice it actually isn't because you still need to do a lot of board assessing to optimize cascades and skyfalls.

also it's free on 3ds cus it's pretty much is a full on pad clone :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 01, 2015, 09:49:40 PM
Has anyone else tried Pokemon Shuffle? It's pretty much Pokemon PaD except you only swap two orbs each turn instead of dragging them around, which sounds at lot less complicated but in practice it actually isn't because you still need to do a lot of board assessing to optimize cascades and skyfalls.

also it's free on 3ds cus it's pretty much is a full on pad clone :V

That requires me to have a 3DS, so I'm afraid I haven't.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 01, 2015, 10:33:54 PM
I just flat-out never spend any money here because:

1) I have no money to even spend - lunatic mode enabled by default

2) I've been told whaling reduces enjoyment. This seems to be YMMV, but even without spending money I have way more gods than I care to feed and raise up. I don't think I could handle having ridiculous amounts of dupes or 9/10 of a double fest pantheon list.

even though at the heart of this game, we're looking at static images doing the same five (ten if you have aoe on!) attacks to even more static images over and over again

People still minmax and play Pokemon competitively. Given the images have been less static over the years, watching 8-bit creatures launch blobby tornadoes or badly pixellated fire was the shit to do when I was younger, and it still very much seems to be the case.

also igglybuff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 01, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Has anyone else tried Pokemon Shuffle? It's pretty much Pokemon PaD except you only swap two orbs each turn instead of dragging them around, which sounds at lot less complicated but in practice it actually isn't because you still need to do a lot of board assessing to optimize cascades and skyfalls.

also it's free on 3ds cus it's pretty much is a full on pad clone :V

I've been messing around with it. It's fun to poke at every once in a while and most of all the gems feel so useless I've never had the itch to use them :v

It's super unpolished and super less complicated in the bottom line, but a lot of fun really.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2015, 10:59:02 PM
Holy shit Neptune in Zeus Mercury is a lot more scary when Beelzebub x2 doesn't block his poison.

Although, it's something I appreciate about Beelzebub is that he -tries- to address poison as one of the biggest threats to high HP/low RCV by having a poison block. Is 40% that great?  Nah. But he tries.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2015, 11:15:13 PM
I've been messing around with it. It's fun to poke at every once in a while and most of all the gems feel so useless I've never had the itch to use them :v

It's super unpolished and super less complicated in the bottom line, but a lot of fun really.
yes p much

most importantly though its full of cute pokemon to collect and at the end of the day thats what really matters right :3

meanwhile all the good stuff in pad is pretty much impossible to collect

also skillups

fuck skillups
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 02, 2015, 12:15:11 AM
My lilith just got four consecutive skillups.

Meanwhile my Horus is still 1/31.

:fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 02, 2015, 02:05:19 AM
My lilith just got four consecutive skillups.

Meanwhile my Horus is still 1/31.

:fail:


If it makes you feel better, most people think Horus' skill is crap and he'll likely get a completely new ones when the Egyptian Ults come out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2015, 02:15:27 AM
last set of pulls today, only notable rolls out of the 6 or so i did:

1) 5th LKali
2) Minerva
3) Hathor
4) Light Dragon Swordsman
5) WoodBahn

Fun figures:

No. of Shardras I got this PCGF: 4
No. of Pierdras and Pierdrawn I got this PCGF: 4
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2015, 02:20:28 AM
I've been swinging away at Izanami Descended with different teams, and I'm basically not making any progress. I know if I could get past the first floor I could beat it with Gabriel, but the first floor is basically impossible without one more skillboost. I may just have to keep hacking away until I either get an amazing opening board that facilitates two blue rows on turn two (and I'm not even sure that would work, since I've been swapping out friend I&I for friend Metatron for the extra skillboost, so I have two less rows) or a ton of skyfalls. Having the extra row from ultimate Sun Quan would be helpful, but of course he isn't out yet.

I've tried quite a few times with Kali, and it does seem theoretically possible to clear with her, but the luck would have to be crazy. I basically need a Kali activation with prongs on every single turn of the entire dungeon, and for my 60% lock resist to trigger on white Izanami. Would be a lot more plausible if I had a better dark sub and could actually take any hit ever, but I'm stuck with Durga since I just got my dark Izanami evolved today and she would need to be skillupped to really help a lot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2015, 02:41:41 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/572223429648101376

awoken parvati art

EDIT: TFW Parvati turned Cauchemar into a kawaii chibi tiger
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2015, 02:43:15 AM
I've been swinging away at Izanami Descended with different teams, and I'm basically not making any progress.

Izanami was one of the big ones for me too. I basically had to fill my team with outs to even have a chance against that one. Having actual bulk also really helps a lot with Divinegon and Liza.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 02:45:26 AM
yolo pull: vervandi lol

...second pull: fenrir fuck

at least he gave a skillup i guess
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 02, 2015, 03:01:10 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/572223429648101376

awoken parvati art

EDIT: TFW Parvati turned Cauchemar into a kawaii chibi tiger

help

i kinda want to pull now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 02, 2015, 03:11:42 AM
I pulled like crazy because I needed the chibi tiger

Lemon Dragon, Drawn Joker #2, Apocalypse #2, and Thumbalina

What's worse than regrets? Regreats.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 02, 2015, 03:14:12 AM
I've basically been destroying the game in terms of skillups today.  This is great.

Rowdy Red Samurai Goblin:  SL6->MAX
Lilith: SL3->MAX
Sieg: SL5->MAX
Angelion: SL3->MAX
Great Valk: SL1->3
Vamp Lord: SL3->5

The big winner so far though?

CuChu: SL1->6
There is a not-zero chance that I might in fact skillmax a heartbreaker in a day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2015, 03:52:18 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/572239058610462720

Lu Bu UVO

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 03:58:31 AM
oh shit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 02, 2015, 04:05:44 AM
Is he turning Dark/Fire for extreme Ronia compatibility?

When is the wedding?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2015, 04:07:40 AM
Is he turning Dark/Fire for extreme Ronia compatibility?

When is the wedding?

we actually joked about this over at irc

[11:50:32] <Chirei> its made from ronia
[11:50:35] <Chirei> because he fuckin killed her
[11:50:43] <Chirei> because hes loo motherfuggen boo
[11:50:46] <Chirei> and kills everyone
[11:50:49] <trance|work> ya
[11:50:55] <trance|work> thats why he has the dark dragon energy
[11:50:59] <trance|work> it was combined from his mount and Ronia
[11:51:02] <trance|work> :OOOO
[11:51:04] <hyorinryu> I thought Sonia dumped Luby for Beelzeboob
[11:51:14] <Chirei> and thats why she died
[11:51:17] <trance|work> thats why Lu Bu got a uvo
[11:51:17] <Chirei> no one dumps loo boo
[11:51:21] <trance|work> he got mad
[11:51:25] <trance|work> look how pissed he looks
[11:51:28] <trance|work> serious
[11:51:43] <Chirei> that is the face of a man who has been betrayed by doki doki
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 02, 2015, 04:10:55 AM
Watch as he gets a fire row. Just because.
You know. He's not originally a red mob but gotta ship RoBu forever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 02, 2015, 04:24:03 AM
Let's not forget that the r3k series is supposed to be getting 2 uvos each, so I'm assuming this is the Dragon/Devil uvo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2015, 04:29:46 AM
Let's not forget that the r3k series is supposed to be getting 2 uvos each, so I'm assuming this is the Dragon/Devil uvo.

nah it'll be like when Kirin won the uvo survey

so Lu Bu only gets 1 too bad do not pass go. :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 02, 2015, 04:35:36 AM
That... would be hilarious actually. People's eagerness to get a Lu Bu uvo already screwing them over in the long run. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 02, 2015, 04:48:42 AM
nah it'll be like when Kirin won the uvo survey

so Lu Bu only gets 1 too bad do not pass go. :v

this is far from the same in a number of ways though

like there are very distinct reasons kirin did not get a branch uevo and not very many for lu bu besides 'fuck lu bu' and 'lets be real, we won't ever see the other uevo even if it was triple prong lu bu'
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 05:02:03 AM
FINALLY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

it took 3 whole days of none stop grinding just to max reine cause the blue shits never drop and even when they do haha skillups rates
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 02, 2015, 05:10:34 AM
Ahahahahaha, it can be done!

(http://i.imgur.com/E5EwAov.jpg)

Cu Chulainn Skillmaxed in one day!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2015, 05:22:54 AM
hey guys let's play spot the difference

(http://i.imgur.com/pSbR5LW.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 02, 2015, 05:26:31 AM
omg how do you have so many stones i thought u were non-iap u liar

The above sentence is a joke.

now gimme one of them for horus gungho pls ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 02, 2015, 05:27:47 AM
elize skill maxed

victory yolo rolled

f o u r t h g z l and a forestbahn

whens valkfest i want to have a victory for once
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2015, 05:35:45 AM
I just got forwarded a text from my roommate's girlfriend's roommate, who just started playing PAD yesterday. It was about how she pulled a Fuma Kotaro and fed it to a Genie because she "thought it sucked".

 :wat:

This is what happens when you get into PAD at the advice of someone who also just started playing. Some of the important information like "never feed gold eggs oh god no" doesn't get relayed properly. Or maybe she's just obstinate and this would have happened regardless.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2015, 05:50:27 AM
I just got forwarded a text from my roommate's girlfriend's roommate, who just started playing PAD yesterday. It was about how she pulled a Fuma Kotaro and fed it to a Genie because she "thought it sucked".

:qq:

hey guys let's play spot the difference

(http://i.imgur.com/pSbR5LW.png)

giff blodin plox
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 02, 2015, 06:42:56 AM
I just got forwarded a text from my roommate's girlfriend's roommate, who just started playing PAD yesterday. It was about how she pulled a Fuma Kotaro and fed it to a Genie because she "thought it sucked".

There was this one post in the FB PAD Help Group where this one person's boyfriend (who just started playing) sold Ronia because he said he was worthless.

Then he rerolled and got LMeta, then thought she sucked too so he rerolled again.

He got Evolved Haku, and everyone was like "NO DON'T SELL HER SHE GOOD PLEASE DON'T WE'RE GOING TO KILL YOU IF YOU DO THAT"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
First try to do Mephisto Descended! in the Devil Challenge, 0-stone condition.

(http://i.imgur.com/RIH5rSC.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Gm6Vni2.png)

I think I did alright.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 02, 2015, 02:10:24 PM
looks like Beelzebub can run over even No RCV dungeons

(http://i.imgur.com/Go3xlcL.jpg)
Fun times.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 03:43:02 PM
I don't think no RCV really matters to beelz since most of your healing if from Ceres anyways, plus you have a million hp

no RCV with a healer team on the other hand oh boy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
Guys help, I think my game is broken. I just can't get +eggs anymore. I get like 1/20 from alt dungeons, and I'm 0/15 today on Door Of Light And Shadow. All I got left is Star Vault. What's going on even?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 04:38:58 PM
wait there's x5 technicals this week?

oops i spent all my stam on challenge descends
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2015, 04:41:31 PM
Guys help, I think my game is broken. I just can't get +eggs anymore. I get like 1/20 from alt dungeons, and I'm 0/15 today on Door Of Light And Shadow. All I got left is Star Vault. What's going on even?

This alt rotation is shit for plus

Forbidden Tower 4 is supreme shit

Do Mechdragons - I got 4 from one run of Canopus today (I haven't touched them since the relocation), so now's a great time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 04:45:27 PM
i think in the long run tower 4 wins in terms of + per stam since it costs way less per run than mechs, but mech dragons have a huge benefit of not being as excruciatingly boring to grind.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2015, 04:49:40 PM
i think in the long run tower 4 wins in terms of + per stam since it costs way less per run than mechs, but mech dragons have a huge benefit of not being as excruciatingly boring to grind.

If you get little plus eggs from Tower4 you literally get nothing else. The exp is crap and the guys drop at like level three. There's absolutely no fallback for it and I've seen incredibly mixed results from people who run it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2015, 04:56:57 PM
I used to very consistently get one + per run on Door. Never actuslly tried Mechdragons for this, but since I'm already getting screwed I might as well start. Couldn't be worse than zero.

Regarding this rotation being bad for alt dungeons, at least it drops Pengdras for even more solid experience. Since my ratio is like one in 400 stamina anyway I doubt the slightly decreased rate matters.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2015, 05:34:47 PM
On that note, what's the general consensus for stoning to speed up +egg acquisition for non/light-IAP players here? I'm extremely stingy with my stones, but I wonder if I should be doing more in the plus field at my rank, since builds I start to look for at reference have at least 3/5 members +297.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2015, 05:58:47 PM
The only time I woukd consider it is one stone per Star Vault if the difference is ranking up during it or not. Interested to hear what others think though, maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 06:02:06 PM
only ever stone star vault since it's a limited time dungeon anyways

otherwise just farm normals all the time (T5s, OoH, and KoG)

super boring but it gets the job done

pretty much everyone who has like 50 million +297s and is rank 900000 achieves it just by farming normals non stop
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2015, 06:04:43 PM
Yeah, that's how I hypermaxed Reine so early. And now that all I do is descends, alts, and weekdays Gabriel is taking a lot longer. Or at least it feels that way.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2015, 06:17:40 PM
Some of the bigger names in the Leilan community I've seen who are non-IAP apparently stone 5x tower and vault, using anywhere from 3-14 stones at a time. Part of me is unsure whether I should try it as well. I feel like 2 and a half +297 guys is not enough at this point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2015, 06:32:18 PM
First Mechdragon run yielded one +egg. Well, one in fifty stamina is better than zero in 180 I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 02, 2015, 06:34:22 PM
Star Vault is a liiiiiieeee!  Never run it, never stone for it, blast it to the fiery abyss!  </bitterness over two plusless SV runs>

I kind of dread the day I need to start working on 297-ing stuff...Seems like it's gonna suck no matter how I go about it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 02, 2015, 06:34:42 PM
Final Result of Poring

chibi valk slvl 1 -> slvl 5
Lilith slvl 2 -> slvl 4
Vampire slvl 3 -> slvl 3
I did run 50 stamina version because I thought it droped more Yellow Drops, so I only had like 3 skillups tries on Vampire.
Chibi valk had 12 drops, so 4/12 total.

(http://i.imgur.com/xBYYrC8.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 02, 2015, 06:39:19 PM
For future appearances, pretty sure common wisdon is to run the 25 stam one since the number of runs you get far outweighs any bonuses you get for the poring-type enemies' drop chances, plus Master has Demons which are annoying and useless for skillups.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 06:43:44 PM
yep run 25 only ESPECIALLY on x2 drop rate


also despite my bitching i guess i had a pretty good poring tower run in terms of results

Vamp #2 slvl2 -> MAX
Angelion slvl2ish? -> MAX
Claire slvl4 -> MAX
Reine slvl1 -> MAX


I can go TPA crazy now with Isis, Reine, Claire, Athena, Tunabowl :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 02, 2015, 06:47:03 PM
For future appearances, pretty sure common wisdon is to run the 25 stam one since the number of runs you get far outweighs any bonuses you get for the poring-type enemies' drop chances, plus Master has Demons which are annoying and useless for skillups.

Sure, though I played some of the 25 versions aswell, but I got 1-2 drops each 50 stam run, and in those 25 I got total of 1 in 4 runs. was just a guts feeling.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 02, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
yep run 25 only ESPECIALLY on x2 drop rate


also despite my bitching i guess i had a pretty good poring tower run in terms of results

Vamp #2 slvl2 -> MAX
Angelion slvl2ish? -> MAX
Claire slvl4 -> MAX
Reine slvl1 -> MAX


I can go TPA crazy now with Isis, Reine, Claire, Athena, Tunabowl :V
Poring Tower facewrecking buddies ^5!  That Reine result is especially delicious.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 02, 2015, 08:04:22 PM
Meanwhile, I manage to go from 1 to max on my lilith, 2 to 5 on my vampire (which I don't think I'll ever use) and no skillups on my chibi valk

you know, the card I actually wanted to skillup
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 08:40:12 PM
Meanwhile, I manage to go from 1 to max on my lilith, 2 to 5 on my vampire (which I don't think I'll ever use) and no skillups on my chibi valk

you know, the card I actually wanted to skillup
I had to spend 2 stones to max reine because after grinidng for 3 days and using up all of my stamina everyone else maxed but reine still needed like 3-4 more >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2015, 11:53:14 PM
why didn't I try this earlier

(http://i.imgur.com/qGUa35m.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2015, 11:57:14 PM
oh yeah that dungeon has an s rank

i wonder if i've already s ranked it

>145,500 points

...

okay so on the bright side that's a free tama waiting for me

on the other side fuck you too game


on other news Nut is amazing and makes everything better for Isis. 4 turn orb change is a godsend for Isis especially since the orb change is 100% consistent and basically makes the board easier to match to boot.

if only i had muse though fucking hell
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 02, 2015, 11:59:17 PM
That dungeon is surprisingly hard for ronia + baddie + bunch of rank-1 crap + ronia.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 03, 2015, 12:02:20 AM
oh yeah now i remember im pretty sure my previous s rank attempt was fucked over by those green hawks eating up turns

like WHY IS THE HIGH ARMOR MOB ALWAYS GREEN

WHY

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 03, 2015, 12:09:09 AM
spoiler I ended up 10 comboing three of the waves, and the wave with areon+metabon got hit by a 13 combo

(Had to stall a few times to regain health which is why the combo count isn't fuck ridiculous)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2015, 01:51:08 AM
I've been doing nothing all day but alternating Door Of Light And Shadow and mechdragons, and I have three +eggs. Three. Has anyone been getting anything today? I am seriously convinced they just lied about the bonus drops being on at this point. This is much worse than I would expect from just farming any random dungeon on 1.5x drops with the same amount of stamina. And I went into today with full stamina saved up from yesterday, so I've squeezed in a lot of runs. This is bullshit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2015, 02:06:49 AM
Some of the bigger names in the Leilan community I've seen who are non-IAP apparently stone 5x tower and vault, using anywhere from 3-14 stones at a time. Part of me is unsure whether I should try it as well. I feel like 2 and a half +297 guys is not enough at this point.

i was told the most optimal way to 5x FT4 is to blitz it with 3/4 skillmaxed Rodins + a Ronia, if you don't have these on your own you would need to ghetto it up via Challenge Mode.

ALSO

Slotting in my freshly max level+max awoken D/D Haku to replace my Chibi Haku has resulted in almost literally double damage from my standardfare GZL-enhance burst:

(http://i.imgur.com/nBROeEC.png)

I've been doing nothing all day but alternating Door Of Light And Shadow and mechdragons, and I have three +eggs. Three. Has anyone been getting anything today? I am seriously convinced they just lied about the bonus drops being on at this point. This is much worse than I would expect from just farming any random dungeon on 1.5x drops with the same amount of stamina. And I went into today with full stamina saved up from yesterday, so I've squeezed in a lot of runs. This is bullshit.

i got around 40+ plus eggs yesterday just doing mechdragons
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 03, 2015, 03:17:23 AM
challenge descend mode is pretty fun esepcially since i get to test if Isis can really 0 stone everything :V

beat Hera, Take, Goemon, Cauche, Hera-Is, Satan, Hera-Sol, and Beelz all without much trouble

next however is goddamn hera-beorc and I know I have never 0 stone this stupid dungeon because of the stupid skill lock


mephisto i think 1 stoned? i know i made a stupid mistake before on luci and got ohkoed

hera-ur is a huge bitch because of ifrit, but now that I have Nut with her TPA I think I can beat it without too much trouble

izanami is also terrible because of skill lock. also even though i have BOTH chesters it doesn't help too much because dammit Isis has no skill locks herself gungho whyyyy

wadatsumi is actually probably the easiest of the remaining descends lol


and then there's the rushes which i really need more TPA to have a chance gungho pls >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 03, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Whelp after a broken phone and the google thing didn't seem to work, I submitted my restoration ticket.  Here's hoping
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2015, 04:32:26 AM
izanami is also terrible because of skill lock. also even though i have BOTH chesters it doesn't help too much because dammit Isis has no skill locks herself gungho whyyyy

If you have both Chesters how do you get skill locked? Two Chesters together has 120%? ???

...Oh, are you referring to getting them bound by Hino Kagutsuchi if the Light one shows up? Welp.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 03, 2015, 04:34:38 AM
If I run both chesters my stats are ass and I miss out on the actives that I need to not be blocked in the first place

with horus or bastet you only need to run one and you have 100% block but not with isis ughh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2015, 05:21:44 AM
Whelp after a broken phone and the google thing didn't seem to work, I submitted my restoration ticket.  Here's hoping

I've seen the restoration process twice, and as long as you've spent at least a dollar in-game and/or are rank 100+ it seems to go through within 24 hours, excluding Sunday. You should be okay, hopefully. Sorry to hear about your phone.

If you have both Chesters how do you get skill locked? Two Chesters together has 120%? ???

...Oh, are you referring to getting them bound by Hino Kagutsuchi if the Light one shows up? Welp.

Ain't nobody can actually run both Chesters. That way lies madness. Having them both is just having your pick of colors.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 03, 2015, 06:18:22 AM
I've been doing nothing all day but alternating Door Of Light And Shadow and mechdragons, and I have three +eggs. Three. Has anyone been getting anything today? I am seriously convinced they just lied about the bonus drops being on at this point. This is much worse than I would expect from just farming any random dungeon on 1.5x drops with the same amount of stamina. And I went into today with full stamina saved up from yesterday, so I've squeezed in a lot of runs. This is bullshit.

I've gotten about 10 just poking at stuff today. I think you got the short end of the short end of the stick on that one though. Ouch. Kinda glad I decided not to stone.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2015, 06:51:02 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/572646386719596544 DQXQ Uvo 1

For DQXQ branching UVO the two sisters split up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 03, 2015, 07:38:22 AM
So... what, one is gonna be L/L and the other B/B? :wat:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 03, 2015, 07:45:33 AM
well don't care so much about gods I don't have buuuut

Updated my pdx collection a little bit. I received nine Ronia friend requests today from then.

Devil girl wants the B apparently.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on March 03, 2015, 08:08:21 AM
So... what, one is gonna be L/L and the other B/B? :wat:
B/B Healer?
I should have seen this coming.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 03, 2015, 10:10:10 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/572646386719596544 DQXQ Uvo 1

For DQXQ branching UVO the two sisters split up.

Will they have a bonus effect on LS, when both are selected as Leader/FriendLeader, I wonder.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2015, 10:19:53 AM
Will they have a bonus effect on LS, when both are selected as Leader/FriendLeader, I wonder.

x7 ATK to all Attribute when DQ and XQ are both used as Leaders

 :dealwithit:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 03, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
x7 ATK to all Attribute when DQ and XQ are both used as Leaders

 :dealwithit:

And Juggler will be forgotten.  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 03, 2015, 12:34:17 PM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/572646386719596544 DQXQ Uvo 1

For DQXQ branching UVO the two sisters split up.

./confused rabbit flailing

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE NOW DAMNIT ;;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 03, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
./confused rabbit flailing

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE NOW DAMNIT ;;

monogamy, no harem allowed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2015, 01:13:28 PM
I stoned out of frustration yesterday to try to get more +eggs before the event went away, rankedup off of that, and did okay on that part of my farming. Got more than ten with that 300 stamina doing primarily mechdragons.

Once again, better luck after I spend a stone. That used to always happen to me with spirit jewel farming too. I'd get nothing from the first dozen runs, then immediately gets the invade on the first run after a stamina refill.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 03, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
monogamy, no harem allowed.

-why did i have to roll two lu bu and not dqxq ;;-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 03, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
wow chinese angelion is looking pretty elongated there
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 03, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
So will Xiao Qiao join blue healer master race with a new skill?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 03, 2015, 02:28:32 PM
I don't quite like how Da Qiao is L/L. Neither Liu Bei nor Sun Quao had the same sub-attribute as their primary in either uvo, but now there's precedent for Lu Bu to have D/D.

And if Lu Bu got D/D, he'd be encroaching on Beelzebub's dark ATK lead. I'm not about that. Flytercycle has to be the strongest.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 03, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
I see an axe. Da Xiao for Healer/Attacker and possibly getting a TPA among other things? (Yes please)

Of course, this is assuming she's the sub, so if she's the leader I have no idea what would be up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2015, 02:45:37 PM
I see an axe. Da Xiao for Healer/Attacker and possibly getting a TPA among other things? (Yes please)

If she is the sun she's probably got to have Dragon as one of her types. My guess is her as the lead for God/Healer, and the other one as the sub with Dragon/??? and a U/other typing. Maybe not though, they could break the trend significantly.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 03, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
Blurgh, mephistopholes is ~the worst dungeon~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 03, 2015, 04:20:35 PM
try hera-ur

>ok floor 1 time to stall
>15 combo
>ok floor two i need to 1 hit this now great
>6 combo
>23k attack

>try again
>trying to stall on ifrit
>heal to 16.3k
>he deals 16.4k

like fuck this
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2015, 04:45:10 PM
Meanwhile, commandercool's Izanami adventure:

First try, first floor: Two rows, six combo. Ogre alive at 1% hp. Instantly dead.

Second try, first floor: Two rows, six combo. Ogre alive at 1% hp. Instantly dead.

You know what would have fixed this for sure? Ultimate Sun Quan. Just sayin'.

Fuck this.

Edit: Think I cracked it. Gotta cut Ruka or Beyzul for Siren. That'll decrease my row count by one, but it should give me the firepower to get past the first floor most of the time. Who knows what happens after that, but that should get me in the front door finally. I hope.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 03, 2015, 08:44:18 PM
I don't have the balls(ebub) to try Izanami with 4/6.25/1
There's no way I can live through ten turns of skill binding without Ceres' healing. Best of luck to you all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 03, 2015, 09:15:41 PM
Hera-Ur cleared. Ifrit is dumb but aside from that it's not too hard. Just need to not get too orb trolled.

I guess I should go for either Mephisto or Wada next

Probably Wada
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 03, 2015, 09:35:45 PM
So like.

I know we're just getting the 3K pal egg machine tomorrow, but after looking at these guys I'm not entirely what use I'd have for any of them (aside from lil' dqxq being cute)

I have enough for 3 rolls (4 if it stays up long enough) but I'm thinking I may as well just spend my pal eggs on something else.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 03, 2015, 09:45:49 PM
So like.

I know we're just getting the 3K pal egg machine tomorrow, but after looking at these guys I'm not entirely what use I'd have for any of them (aside from lil' dqxq being cute)

I have enough for 3 rolls (4 if it stays up long enough) but I'm thinking I may as well just spend my pal eggs on something else.

They work as fakes for the ones you don't have, but more importantly, are all 5* cards.

Making DQXQ mini a very good s-ranking lead.

Otherwise, very expensive skill ups.

I don't quite like how Da Qiao is L/L. Neither Liu Bei nor Sun Quao had the same sub-attribute as their primary in either uvo, but now there's precedent for Lu Bu to have D/D.

And if Lu Bu got D/D, he'd be encroaching on Beelzebub's dark ATK lead. I'm not about that. Flytercycle has to be the strongest.

I mean.

He already does that. :v Dark devil has plenty of alternatives leads, however most of them are rows which is not Beelzebub's niche.

Now what you should worry about is if he gets those triple prongs I want, in which case he would essentially turbo-dunk beelzebub entirely.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 03, 2015, 09:48:24 PM
They're also all god-types with good actives, many are orb changers too.

They make good filler for off-color Athena teams for py farming.  If didn't have a bunch of fire gods already, Guan Yu would look pretty good for my primarily red Athena team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 02:04:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/js5VolQ.png)

Well, I suppose I had to join the club sooner or later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 02:11:36 AM
I had to see if this was possible. It turns out it is, but I probably need a failsafe incase the skillbind hits me.

(http://i.imgur.com/K0Z5yqx.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Z5T0Ecz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4tCZZrB.png) (http://i.imgur.com/2pD2n1v.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 03:37:08 AM
wow you got it on a 40%

meanwhile i died to leviathan in wada cuz i suck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2015, 04:21:18 AM
Fuck I've done Izanami five times today with five slightly different permutations of my Gabriel team and every single time the fucking white ogre has been below 10% health but I died. How is it that every strategy I have almost works but none of them work? This is so frustrating. And because it's so close, every time I think this will be the time I succeed so I spend like ten minutes planning my combo and get all psyched out and still fail. If I had gotten one skyfall ever in five runs I would've beaten this fucking dungeon and could move on to not throwing stamina away, but apparently those went wherever my +egg rates went and they just don't exist anymore.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 04:42:20 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/572978144031850496

DQ = L/L
XQ = L/B

They have a plushie of the missing sister in their art
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 04:49:43 AM
finally beat wada

u&y is the biggest bitch holy shit green absorb + low HP ohko killed me 3 times

eventually i just decided to blow all actives on him and luckily siren let me restall wada

They have a plushie of the missing sister in their art
this is 2 cute
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 05:01:13 AM
[12:59:40] <trance|work> TFW DQ is White/Gold and XQ is Blue/Black
[13:00:08] <trance|work> this is the real reason why gungho split them up
[13:00:13] <trance|work> fuckin gungtrolls stepping up their game
[13:00:48] <Chirei> it's only a matter of time before someone else notices that
[13:00:57] <Chirei> and it goes viral
[13:00:59] <trance|work> somebody already did
[13:01:03] <trance|work> that's how i realized it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 06:12:24 AM
almost beat mephisto

i really wish there was a decent way to skill up fruit dragons
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 04, 2015, 06:35:18 AM
almost beat mephisto

i really wish there was a decent way to skill up fruit dragons

Is shield dragons not needing to evolve decent.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 06:43:16 AM
Is shield dragons not needing to evolve decent.

TFW nobody can get Green Shieldra yet

EDIT:

(http://puu.sh/glI9I/e5bbbff963.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 04, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
So she might be Dark / Blue Healer?
There are not a lot Dark Healers out there
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
Is shield dragons not needing to evolve decent.

Running Zeus-Mercury for a chance of -maybe- getting one that -may- skill up grape is not exactly what I'd call "decent".

NA Players: BEAMS 2 confirmed tomorrow. Make sure you get the 1st bear by today.

unrelatedly

(http://i.imgur.com/mun9TID.png)

LU FUGGIN BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2015, 01:45:09 PM
Got qiao sisters on first pull

Done forever
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 02:09:44 PM
So she might be Dark / Blue Healer?
There are not a lot Dark Healers out there

nah. XQ is L/B and DQ is L/L like I said.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 04, 2015, 02:16:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mun9TID.png)

LU FUGGIN BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

well, did you even want him?  :derp:

nah. XQ is L/B and DQ is L/L like I said.

yeah, to many light flares in the pic, lightflares => light att.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
well, did you even want him?  :derp:

How can you NOT want LU FUGGIN BU

Never mind the devil and ronia overhype, EVERYONE wants LU FUGGIN BU simply for the fact that he is LU FUGGIN BU. This is not debatable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 04, 2015, 02:23:44 PM
How can you NOT want LU FUGGIN BU

Never mind the devil and ronia overhype, EVERYONE wants LU FUGGIN BU simply for the fact that he is LU FUGGIN BU. This is not debatable.

I don't want him
:dealwithit:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 02:25:05 PM
I don't want him

This is not debatable.

(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2014/137/3/5/lu_bu_for_ssb4_by_elemental_aura-d7iof5f.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 04, 2015, 02:26:19 PM
This is not debatable.

I come back to you when Neph gets a devil subtype  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 02:29:51 PM
she might be healer

i think
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 02:37:16 PM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/573124338439753729

Awoken Lakshmi
Physical/God
AS: Deals x20 ATK as water damage to enemy, absorb 50% dmg as HP. Randomly make 3 heart orbs. 8 cd maxskill
LS: Water Attribute x3 ATK. When matching 5 hearts or more, ATK x1.5 bonus

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/573125915112181760

Awoken Parvati
Balanced/Devil
AS: Turn Water Orbs to Heart Orbs. Enhance Heart Orbs thereafter. 5 cd maxskill
LS: Wood Attribute x3 ATK. When matching 2 or more heart combos, ATK x1.5 bonus
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 04, 2015, 02:40:46 PM
But but I already have :3 qtpievarti how can I pick
(this one is better but probably requires 3 Zeuses)

Also what the heck am I going to do with two baby cao caos and a liu bei?  One of the cao^2 has a plus egg is it worth feeding it off?

Also also I love how I instantly forget how to combo as soon as there's a boss that puts up a combo shield YEAH CAUCHEMAR WHAT UP I may or may not have healed him back to 100% by miscounting once I popped all my skills  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Awoken Parvati
Balanced/Devil
AS: Turn Wood Orbs to Heart Orbs. Enhance Heart Orbs thereafter. 5 cd maxskill
LS: Wood Attribute x3 ATK. When matching 2 or more heart combos, ATK x1.5 bonus

...Turn wood to heart? How the fuck does that work? Are you sure it's not actually water still?

EDIT: Okay yeah it's water to heart confirmed by PDX. holy fuck I need this brb woodpy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 04, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
Wait so shit it's not going to transfer over if I already have her skill maxed thanks to that second part??
 :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 04, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Aside from getting two LZLs and three Liu Beis, I like that my pulls were fairly balanced. Two Cao Cao, one Sun Quan, and one Lu Bu. Still no DQXQ though :c

Wood to heart seems... odd, to say the least.

Yo but 20.25x attack for matching hearts plus unconditional 9x attack what are these wannabe jugglers?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 02:56:58 PM
Wood to heart seems... odd, to say the least.

Yo but 20.25x attack for matching hearts plus unconditional 9x attack what are these wannabe jugglers?

water*

also fuck that, enhanced heal orbs on 5 cd that's motherfuckin busted as a sub
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 02:59:54 PM
Aside from getting two LZLs and three Liu Beis, I like that my pulls were fairly balanced. Two Cao Cao, one Sun Quan, and one Lu Bu. Still no DQXQ though :c

Wood to heart seems... odd, to say the least.

Yo but 20.25x attack for matching hearts plus unconditional 9x attack what are these wannabe jugglers?

It's a mistake, it's water to heart; it's Defense Stance WOOD with a Heart Enhance attached

Needless to say I'll be making Awoken Parvati right away
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 04, 2015, 03:00:51 PM
(http://img-s3-01.mytextgraphics.com/sparklee/2015/03/04/bc7feaec8af59def7fccbd7dd15e4420.gif) (http://www.sparklee.com)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 04, 2015, 03:01:14 PM
wait so
if you want to use those enhanced heal orbs to attack you still need a heartbreaker and then you need to spawn -more- hearts to get 20.25x

huh
Screw it. If I get Parvati, I'm going to use Zeus Dios+Wee Jas.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 03:04:02 PM
Oh 3k is out I forgot

meanwhile izanami cleared

used a mishmash team of isis ecchi doomsday chester but and kirin

double gravity room makes diza ez so the only thing is blocking the skill lock

funny enough chester got blinded so I blocked it with just a 20% chance :deep:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 03:09:09 PM
wait so
if you want to use those enhanced heal orbs to attack you still need a heartbreaker and then you need to spawn -more- hearts to get 20.25x

huh
Screw it. If I get Parvati, I'm going to use Zeus Dios+Wee Jas.

Never mind using her as a lead either! If you just use her with a basic heartmaker+breaker combo, the enhance step is COMPLETELY skipped.

Did I also mention she is the first unbindable 5cd heartmaker? ???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2015, 03:14:56 PM
Lakshmi's active is cool now.

Parvati's active is holy shit amazing, her leaderskill ain't bad either

Dem stats though, and those awakenings.

meanwhile izanami cleared

used a mishmash team of isis ecchi doomsday chester but and kirin

double gravity room makes diza ez so the only thing is blocking the skill lock

funny enough chester got blinded so I blocked it with just a 20% chance :deep:

I too knocked out iza today, turns out using awoken minerva as a friend lead was a good idea for ronia.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
Never mind using her as a lead either! If you just use her with a basic heartmaker+breaker combo, the enhance step is COMPLETELY skipped.

Did I also mention she is the first unbindable 5cd heartmaker? ???

she lost 200 HP from her G/R balanced uvo

:colonveeplusalpha:

Lakshmi's active is cool now.

technically it's worse

EDIT: they have similar damage output yes but making 3 random heart orbs in exchange for being 5cd faster is NOT WORTH losing water orb enhance
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2015, 03:27:16 PM
technically it's worse

EDIT: they have similar damage output yes but making 3 random heart orbs in exchange for being 5cd faster is NOT WORTH losing water orb enhance

Heart orb troll immunity or ability to heal in no rcv dungeons >>>>>>>>>>> water orb enhance.  The latter is available from several other subs anyway, including PQ hera-is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 03:30:47 PM
she lost 200 HP from her G/R balanced uvo

:colonveeplusalpha:

For a skillboost, bind immunity, double tpa, and just straight up blowing every other heartmaker in the game out of the water, I'll deal. I'll just +297 her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
chibi time

DQ
Cao
LuBu
DQ
SQ

holy shit that's everyone i wanted

even got two dq so i can have 1 unevod for s ranking
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 04, 2015, 03:55:06 PM
Heart orb troll immunity or ability to heal in no rcv dungeons >>>>>>>>>>> water orb enhance.  The latter is available from several other subs anyway, including PQ hera-is.

I think I'd rather run a heartmaker, like Gabby or Andromeda. They do that on the same cooldown, and are more versatile. Two sets of heart orbs for 4.5x doesn't sound very appealing when Sarasvati exists.

Parvati looks pretty good. Looks like I'm definitely pronging it up in JP. Though, where does this put Sasuke?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 04:03:13 PM
oh yeah uvoes

so uh parvati looks great but wtf lakishimi?

why does gungho keep thinking that set damage nukes are actually worth anything? like sure it heals but aside from that is does basically nothing and on a much higher cooldown than parvati's ridiculous active?

also her awakenings are way worse. no double tpa no bind immunity just a bunch of random crap

water physicals get the shaft again seriously

this just makes me worried for Isis cause yamap just seems to hate water physicals


meawhile not only does parvati get amazing awakenings, but also that fucking active which heartbreaks AND GIVES THEM + which means you either get a free +orb strike with a heartbreaker or you can just heal for ridiculous amounts as opposed to Lakshmi's shitty set damage strike
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2015, 04:19:39 PM
Hmm, dark gala huh? How about a Japanese (1 or 2) godfest huh?

Are there any other very notable, attainable (not Dmeta) dark subs for rainbow teams? I wish black Ra had real-ass big boy awakenings so I could use him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 04, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
as opposed to Lakshmi's shitty set damage strike

You're gonna have to explain this one to me, because I don't understand.

Lakshmi's max attack without +eggs is 1336, meaning that active does 26720 damage and heals 13360. Not exactly what I'd call bad, especially if the leaders don't have RCV multipliers (and if the leaders have an above-% conditional this very well might get them back over that threshold).

Even if we take a boss with actual defense, like say Mephisto, that's still (26720 - 3350)/2 = 11685 HP healed, on top of the three heart orbs for more healing if you need it. Using it on a fire boss might well be a full heal without the need to combo for it.

I agree that Parvati's lower cooldown makes that active more easily accessible, but Lakshmi's isn't bad.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 04, 2015, 04:37:45 PM
An actual cool thing about Lakshmi's active is that you have a 13000+ heal readily available every 8 turns. Naturally, this goes twice if you run dual Lakshmi.

Hell, by using Zeus Mercury or Noah and both Lakshmi actives you have the most trivial 80% water board on a 20.25x multiplier. Bonus damage for using Wadatsumi or Hera-Is to enhance - Hera-Is has more orb enhance power while Wadatsumi delays, so the choice is in the air.

Since Noah and Lakshmis are all physical, you can even forgo the orb enhance and go straight for King Bubbly (or Aquaman if you like actual stats) on an already killer board!

To add more physical damage to the mix, you can use Siegfried to the mix alongside a double conversion like Gabriel or Andromeda. Just make sure to use Siegfried before Gabriel to keep heart orbs available!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 04:51:47 PM
You're gonna have to explain this one to me, because I don't understand.

Lakshmi's max attack without +eggs is 1336, meaning that active does 26720 damage and heals 13360. Not exactly what I'd call bad, especially if the leaders don't have RCV multipliers (and if the leaders have an above-% conditional this very well might get them back over that threshold).

Even if we take a boss with actual defense, like say Mephisto, that's still (26720 - 3350)/2 = 11685 HP healed, on top of the three heart orbs for more healing if you need it. Using it on a fire boss might well be a full heal without the need to combo for it.

I agree that Parvati's lower cooldown makes that active more easily accessible, but Lakshmi's isn't bad.

Edit: i can't read

Lakshmi also has the better ls imo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2015, 04:52:13 PM
I think I'd rather run a heartmaker, like Gabby or Andromeda. They do that on the same cooldown, and are more versatile. Two sets of heart orbs for 4.5x doesn't sound very appealing when Sarasvati exists.

I disagree with your use of "versatile" here.  3 hearts means 3 hearts regardless of the state of the board.  You won't get any hearts if there are no dark/light orbs for gabriel/andromeda respectively.  Your entire board could be jammers and Awoken Lakshmi will still heal you.  You can't really get more versatile, imo.

I think her leader skill is up in the air, but I feel it's much easier to activate than andromeda's or sarasvati's, and has the full fallback 3x damage to boot if you couldn't activate the bonus damage.

this just makes me worried for Isis cause yamap just seems to hate water physicals

(http://i.imgur.com/JInifel.png)

:getdown:

Are there any other very notable, attainable (not Dmeta) dark subs for rainbow teams? I wish black Ra had real-ass big boy awakenings so I could use him.

Dark Izanami is probably the go-to farmable dark sub.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 05:28:53 PM
bodin doesn't count :V


also didn't think about zeus merc, that actually works pretty well i guess

parvati still feels way more versatile since she'd be a welcome addition to like any spike team (especially bastet holy shit) while lakshi seems to generally be for some kind of blue row team, and even then i'd rather use andromeda cause her awakenings are far more useful. you basically trade an extra row+skill lock resist for auto heal, water+, and a tpa bluh

well her leader skill is better i suppose. higher upper end + a trivial lower end

and yeah the active heals a lot but 8 cd stall move is still eh. if it was less then it would be great, but 8 turns is almost as long as a 7 star. it can help in a pinch but it won't let you stall like parvati's


meanwhile juggler is still way better than either of them :derp: :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 04, 2015, 05:34:08 PM
Dark Izanami may have the HP to help out rainbow teams a lot, but I'm still voting Beelzebub for best farmable dark mob.

But I'm biased [/beelzebae]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 04, 2015, 05:44:01 PM
Man this game is really boring at rank 25.  Waiting in that data restore
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 05:49:09 PM
meanwhile juggler is still way better than either of them :derp: :derp:

juggler sux he doesn't work with leilan

all hail neo parvati
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2015, 05:50:22 PM
Dark Izanami may have the HP to help out rainbow teams a lot, but I'm still voting Beelzebub for best farmable dark mob.

But I'm biased [/beelzebae]

You think he works as a rainbow sub? That didn't occur to me, but that actually sounds solid. I am going to max out two Izanamis, but I'll get to work on him too. Give me something to do with all the spare orbs clogging my box too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 04, 2015, 05:57:51 PM
PADZ incoming again.

My body is so ready; gonna actually stone for stamina for the first time in a long while.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 06:50:32 PM
i think the only reason why more people dont use beelz is cause he needs goddamn ONE OF EVERY JEWEL


also tried a red focused skill lock team for hera B but i blew up alarune and had no actives charged for hades

man he has a lot of hp
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 04, 2015, 07:00:40 PM
awoken lakshmi more like awoken trashmi (i'll give it a month before i like her more than her old form like ceres)

parvarti got swole as fuck, I guess they realized the row thing wasn't working out for her :v

i think the only reason why more people dont use beelz is cause he needs goddamn ONE OF EVERY JEWEL

this

also a lot of the big stars have rows instead of prongs (lu bu, Fa luci, loki) even if a lot of the orb changers have prongs (perse, devil sirius)

so they gravitate towards rows

this is why i want prong lu bu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
inb4 he gets orb enhances
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 04, 2015, 07:44:14 PM
also fuck beorc and fuck my verdandi friends for not skill maxing their shit :T

shynpy get though

two more and superman is skill maxed
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2015, 09:00:27 PM
awoken lakshmi more like awoken trashmi

but she's hot trash
10/10 would get in the water


Edit: So I was walking out from class and then suddenly some weirdo guy jumps in front of me with his arms out going all H0O HO0 H0O or some shit, rudely preventing me from going forward. If only he knew how badly he was about to get destroyed.

(http://i.imgur.com/1LxqLz0.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 10:21:38 PM
i just realized the real fun part is awoken parvati is actually amazing juggler sub

low cd heal, is devil, and wood is still covered by juggler's active

so this really just adds to the juggler creep
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 04, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
Do we know the general JP reaction to these uvos? If it's bad enough, we may see a second bastet coming in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2015, 10:34:36 PM
Four more Izanami runs today, four more slightly different strategies and/or permutations of my team, four more ogres left with less than 10% health after four more major combos with zero skyfalls. By all accounts I should stop wasting stamina at this point and accept that Izanami is impossible for my team. But it's not, that's the thing, I think I should win this like 50% of the time. It's like that sinister PAD mastermind in his control room is watching me do this, realizing that I really want it and might get desperate or frustrated enough to stone for stamina eventually, and is hitting the "zero skyfalls" button every time I combo and it matters. I don't need that much luck, either a slightly better opening board or slightly higher combos, but I can never get them. I can't give up now, but I kind of want to. But I can't.

Still haven't figured out if the I&I friend lead for more rows or the Metatron friend lead for a higher multiplier matters more. One of them is probably the more consistent option, but I don't have the understanding of practical math or PAD math to figure out which it is. At this point I'm considering shit like a Santa Sakuya friend lead to get an even higher multiplier to hopefully ensure a kill on the first floor, but that's a terrible idea.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 04, 2015, 10:39:29 PM
I don't want him
:dealwithit:

Look Chirei, if I say I don't want Lu bu, I don't get Lu bu
(http://i.imgur.com/0lGMlgK.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2015, 11:09:10 PM
Mothafuuuuuuuuuuck Mephisto's dungeon.

I meticulously plot through the entire dungeon using CUNNING and GUILE and U&Y, and I get him down below 40% having exactly 128 life after using dmeta's shield to tank part of a hit and lmeta's heal to clear part of his binds, and all I need to do is make one more U&Y combo... and I'm short one dark orb.  I pray for a skyfall, and a shit ton of dark orbs do drop, but none make a combo and it's really sad and bah ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 11:09:46 PM
Heart orb troll immunity or ability to heal in no rcv dungeons >>>>>>>>>>> water orb enhance.  The latter is available from several other subs anyway, including PQ hera-is.

3 hearts is jack shit useless when i can just use 5 cd heartmaker lol

edit: I've got chester and wee jas for jammer and poison boards sooooo lack pf caring :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
3 hearts is jack shit useless when i can just use 5 cd heartmaker lol

I disagree with your use of "versatile" here.  3 hearts means 3 hearts regardless of the state of the board.  You won't get any hearts if there are no dark/light orbs for gabriel/andromeda respectively.  Your entire board could be jammers and Awoken Lakshmi will still heal you.  You can't really get more versatile, imo.

Next.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2015, 11:14:19 PM


edit: I've got chester and wee jas for jammer and poison boards sooooo lack pf caring :v

next

edit:
skuld
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2015, 11:34:38 PM
Four more Izanami runs today, four more slightly different strategies and/or permutations of my team, four more ogres left with less than 10% health after four more major combos with zero skyfalls. By all accounts I should stop wasting stamina at this point and accept that Izanami is impossible for my team. But it's not, that's the thing, I think I should win this like 50% of the time. It's like that sinister PAD mastermind in his control room is watching me do this, realizing that I really want it and might get desperate or frustrated enough to stone for stamina eventually, and is hitting the "zero skyfalls" button every time I combo and it matters. I don't need that much luck, either a slightly better opening board or slightly higher combos, but I can never get them. I can't give up now, but I kind of want to. But I can't.

Still haven't figured out if the I&I friend lead for more rows or the Metatron friend lead for a higher multiplier matters more. One of them is probably the more consistent option, but I don't have the understanding of practical math or PAD math to figure out which it is. At this point I'm considering shit like a Santa Sakuya friend lead to get an even higher multiplier to hopefully ensure a kill on the first floor, but that's a terrible idea.
you're targeting the yellow ogre right? basically you need to deal 600k in 2 turns or 300k per turn, so you can theory craft you damage in endless corridors until you have something that can burst that hard right away.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 04, 2015, 11:41:27 PM
3x Cao Cao(why!?)
2x DQXQ(One is good, two is sorta not so helpful but maybe it'll be a skillup)
1x LZL(Adorable, but sadly the LS just isn't good enough now that his fullsize form has 4.5x.)

I must conctinue to pursue Lu Bu and/or Sun Quan.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 04, 2015, 11:44:34 PM
meanwhile juggler is still way better than either of them :derp: :derp:

suikama pls

Do we know the general JP reaction to these uvos? If it's bad enough, we may see a second bastet coming in.

imo Parvati is good, Lakshmi... I think yama just hates her for some reason.

And why did they release something so directly comparable to Juggler this early. Aren't they trying to get people to forget Juggler or what. ==
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 05, 2015, 12:15:23 AM
... not sure why everyone is hating on Lakshmi. At eight turns, it's easily the most powerful and low cd healing active that goes up to 17000 with +eggs.

LZL can only heal 10,000 on ten turns, and LMeta can only go up to 7,000~ per six turns, I thought? Basically, it's a huge healing skill on a physical mob that has huge HP and low RCV to begin with.

The only comparable thing is G/D Ceres being -skillmaxed- on double Satan/Beelzebub leads.

The braindead x9 and the trivial Noah+6heal 20.25x combo is also like "you're already dead"

Skuld>Hermes>2Lakshmi also works and you have 80% skill bind resist right there -and- you're still full Physical typing for Noah and Bubblie shenanigans.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 12:27:16 AM
you're targeting the yellow ogre right? basically you need to deal 600k in 2 turns or 300k per turn, so you can theory craft you damage in endless corridors until you have something that can burst that hard right away.

Yeep. With a x4 (or x4.7 with Metratron) team unfortunately, since I don't think I can clear the rest of the dungeon with anyone but Gabe. And my phone is broken right now in such a way that I can't screencap (at least I don't think I can, is there a way to screencap on an android without the power button?) so I can't easily count my damage in TEC. Maybe my problem is that most of my strategies so far have revolved around clearing away blindness turn one and doing one huge burst turn two and I would be better off trying to split my damage. But since I can't screencap, cheating around the blindness isn't easy. I'm not used to doing it by peeking at each orb one at a time.

This has always been, and will always be, my team's biggest problem. I can't output damage very quickly without all of my skills up. Early countdown floors are killer and they don't get much harsher than this one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 05, 2015, 12:33:01 AM
next

edit:
skuld

We're discussing pad in general not your personal monster box

As far as skuld is concerned, why yes a special god is better than a regular god :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 12:35:10 AM
... not sure why everyone is hating on Lakshmi. At eight turns, it's easily the most powerful and low cd healing active that goes up to 17000 with +eggs.

LZL can only heal 10,000 on ten turns, and LMeta can only go up to 7,000~ per six turns, I thought? Basically, it's a huge healing skill on a physical mob that has huge HP and low RCV to begin with.

The only comparable thing is G/D Ceres being -skillmaxed- on double Satan/Beelzebub leads.

The braindead x9 and the trivial Noah+6heal 20.25x combo is also like "you're already dead"

Skuld>Hermes>2Lakshmi also works and you have 80% skill bind resist right there -and- you're still full Physical typing for Noah and Bubblie shenanigans.
yeah realistically both leader skills are good enough to annihilate every descend out right now (I mean if you can clear descends with leaders like Isis and Leilan you should be fine with anything that can deal at least x3.5). Lakishi + Skulds in particular is like ronia tier of push button get damage with even better leader multiplers and does more damage without actives and has Lakishi active for healing.

its just her design is awkward as hell, like being a cursed blue physical instead of the loved blue healers, and especially her awakenings which are a mess. like come on focus on either +orbs, TPA, or rows. don't mash them all together like that. unless yamap has plans for some weird new +orb hybrid buff i dunno.
as a sub the lack of focus in her awakenings means it's hard for her to fill any niche optimally. like for a blue row team andro is better. also she's not a healer and everyone loves blue healers so much more than physicals
as a leader i guess it does let you build whatever you want, but generally you want to focus on either tpa or rows so having random amounts of the other stuff is generally a waste (well I guess bodin makes it viable though)
and for subs you're limited in some ways since you can't use ronia or chinese girls cause no heart orbs, so basically you want a shitload of skulds and bodins and yeah have fun rolling those
also have fun finding friends who also use her :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 05, 2015, 12:47:06 AM
and for subs you're limited in some ways since you can't use ronia or chinese girls cause no heart orbs
Karin>Amberjack for 2:1 blue:heal ratio and still full physical typing? Bonia>Hatsume>2xLakshmi for 4:1 ratio?
Who cares about awoken skills when you have a 20.25x multiplier and 80% of the board is your main attribute?

albeit pulling Bonia and Hatsume is difficult, it's something you should consider if you ever pull both Karin and Lakshmi.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 12:51:05 AM
albeit pulling Bonia and Hatsume is difficult, it's something you should consider if you ever pull both Karin and Lakshmi.

> has both Karin and Lakshmi
> Has no Sonias nor ninjas.

:fail:

Also, I assume there's been no news regarding the egyptian god uvos, right?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 01:02:20 AM
Also, I assume there's been no news regarding the egyptian god uvos, right?
not yet, but i am both extremely excited and scared for it

gungho pls

make isis top tier

pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 01:05:06 AM
not yet, but i am both extremely excited and scared for it

gungho pls

make isis top tier

pls

Well look at the bright side, they can't make her worse unless they decide to remove the other two uvos.

...I'm gonna be really sad if Horus loses his attacker type on the awoken, though. :(

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 05, 2015, 01:12:03 AM
> has both Karin and Lakshmi
Lakshmi/Lakshmi leads
Noah
Karin
Amberjack
King Bubbly

There you go kill everything
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 01:17:34 AM
if he does lost it it would be because he gets something else though like heart or something

most likely though everyone is just gonna lose god for devil

especially for Isis and Horus since they don't have dark variants while all of the other Egyptians do

hmm, i wonder if this means awoken bastet will be G/G?

ultimate always have different types/subtypes from each other right? I cant remember if there's any monster who has ultimate that are the same types as each other

also i have no idea what they'll do for Ra and Anubis. i guess probably leave them for later like how venus and hades had to wait

Lakshmi/Lakshmi leads
Noah
Karin
Amberjack
King Bubbly

There you go kill everything
hmm i wonder how much the damage actually is though because you don't have much for rows and you don't have an orb enhancer to take advantage of all the +orb awakenings

probably still hits way harder than Isis at least >_>



bluh i just realized if Isis is made to be Blue/Dark Water/Physical then she's in a really awkward spot for subs.
Like Muse doesn't work anymore, and now you need to cover light.
Before Bodin covered B/D perfectly but if Isis takes that spot there's no really good B/L subs.
There's Reine who isn't Physical or Devil, and there's Aquaman who is limited to dc collab, Amon who is a shitty bodin, Hermes who kills 2 colors, and some farmable crap.
Isis was already pretty pigeonholed when it comes to optimal subs and only very recently did she finally have an optimal team with bodin, orochi, muse, but the awoken uevo could ruin that

now if they changed her to devil/healer then hoooly shit

gungho pls

let isis join the healer master race pls


basically then you just load up with SQs

I've always run Echidna + Bubblie because delay + damage up works best with Isis

Isis, Reine, Green SQ, Light SQ, and then final sub is anything. like L Kali for the full color board, or like anything really

only problem is SQ's awakening are a bit awkward because of all the rows buh eh it's not like it hurts to have them
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 01:47:47 AM
tbh I doubt they'll give him hearts, although I would love it if that happened Horus would be really intruding into Isis territory at that point (as well as DQXQ)

also Awoken Venus is both Devil (same subtype as L/D) and healer (same subtype as L/L), they always inherit the typing of their evo mats, which would mean that whatever egyptian god gets either sopdet or thoth as their evo mats will have a god typing (since that's literally everything they have)

which is why I'm kind of concerned for Horus, since unless they pull a kagutsuchi on him and makes him either F/F (which would be stupid because ~*~RAINBOW LEADER~*~) or F/L (possible but I somehow find that unlikely) they'll have to make him either F/B(Which is okay I guess since there aren't that many good blue attackers right now) F/G(I don't know how good or bad this would be but the sheer thought of it just makes my mind go :wat:) or F/D(most likely, which means they could use either sopdet or thoth as his evo mats which would push one of his types to be god, which lowers the chances of him being attacker type)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 01:50:12 AM
tbh I doubt they'll give him hearts, although I would love it if that happened Horus would be really intruding into Isis territory at that point (as well as DQXQ)

also Awoken Venus is both Devil (same subtype as L/D) and healer (same subtype as L/L), they always inherit the typing of their evo mats, which would mean that whatever egyptian god gets either sopdet or thoth as their evo mats will have a god typing (since that's literally everything they have)
huh good point

research time then :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 01:50:28 AM
Well, I did it. I beat Izanami.

What it took was for Sun Quan's blind resist to go off (forgot he even had that) so that I could split my burst over two turns rather than trying to do it in one. I used Gabe/Ruka/Reine/Sun Quan/Siren/Metatron. Once the ogres were dead (and the dark one very nearly killed me as well due to orbtrolling after the white one died combined with my much lower than usual health) it was smooth sailing from there out. Got my second Izanami, got my Bubpy, got my validation, got my revenge. Now I have to decide if I want to go through a similar nightmare with Wadatsumi. I do not think I do.

I don't even want to think about how much stamina this cost me, but it was at least 500.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 01:54:28 AM
tbh I doubt they'll give him hearts, although I would love it if that happened Horus would be really intruding into Isis territory at that point (as well as DQXQ)

also Awoken Venus is both Devil (same subtype as L/D) and healer (same subtype as L/L), they always inherit the typing of their evo mats, which would mean that whatever egyptian god gets either sopdet or thoth as their evo mats will have a god typing (since that's literally everything they have)

which is why I'm kind of concerned for Horus, since unless they pull a kagutsuchi on him and makes him either F/F (which would be stupid because ~*~RAINBOW LEADER~*~) or F/L (possible but I somehow find that unlikely) they'll have to make him either F/B(Which is okay I guess since there aren't that many good blue attackers right now) F/G(I don't know how good or bad this would be but the sheer thought of it just makes my mind go :wat:) or F/D(most likely, which means they could use either sopdet or thoth as his evo mats which would push one of his types to be god)
i checked the descends list and noticed you forgot one guy

medjed

with medjed, balanced F/G Horus and B/G Isis is possible

which would be uh

water balanced isn't even a thing is it

hell anything balanced is barely a thing aside from green

balanced is probably the most neglected subtype in the game :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 01:54:48 AM
We're discussing pad in general not your personal monster box

And I'm throwing out existing alternatives regardless or not anybody may or may not have them, jesus christ. I'm just saying that Lakshmi is horrendously underwhelming compared to Parvati, and Lakshmi needed the buff more lmao Like, Awoken Parvati is really damn solid no matter how you look at it, even her AS is a direct upgrade to her regular AS, her awakenings have a clear plan in mind (be unbindable with great offensive boosters and a very strong supportive AS)

Meanwhile Lakshmi's awakenings are all over the place, she lost like 400+ RCV (600+ if you consider the Healer ult) so in order to make up for the RCV deficit you need to cover it either with plus eggs or other subs. Which fortunately if you plan to run a Blue Physical team BOdin can luckily make up for that but you need to actually own one of those things. And even if you hype the fact her AS is 8cd max-skilled and try to argue that 3 hearts is going to be useful for anything I'm just going to point to the fact that in no-RCV dungeons those 3 hearts are only going to have a substantial effect on healing if you are having high RCV subs. So at the very best that AS is gonna be a panic button which is what the original AS basically was anyway. Except now you don't have any damage boosting to your orbs.

Anyway, with that out of the way...


I'm going to try Twinlits tomorrow with this team. I'll go ahead and see how it goes.

(http://i.imgur.com/LNp7vW5.png)



Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 01:58:18 AM
i swear gungho if you do something stupid like make Isis B/G balanced you better buff her leader skill to something like x10 for all att + two hearts so that she can hit hard without needing boosters

or elseee


oh wow there literally isn't an SINGLE Blue/Dark healer monster IN THE ENTIRE GAME

looks like a niche that could be filled

by a certain best girl

wink wink nudge nudge cough cough


oh wait there's no B/R healer either

maybe this won't work that well

...eh there's always echidna
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 02:04:24 AM
Well, I did it. I beat Izanami.

What it took was for Sun Quan's blind resist to go off (forgot he even had that) so that I could split my burst over two turns rather than trying to do it in one. I used Gabe/Ruka/Reine/Sun Quan/Siren/Metatron. Once the ogres were dead (and the dark one very nearly killed me as well due to orbtrolling after the white one died combined with my much lower than usual health) it was smooth sailing from there out. Got my second Izanami, got my Bubpy, got my validation, got my revenge. Now I have to decide if I want to go through a similar nightmare with Wadatsumi. I do not think I do.

I don't even want to think about how much stamina this cost me, but it was at least 500.

Wada's pretty tough. You should probably take a well-deserved break for now.

Also wow you were trying to burst them down in one turn? Usually I just try to muscle through the blind because I KNOW I can't do it in two even with my team unless  I get lucky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 02:05:28 AM
oh wait there's no B/R healer either

Nym is the only Healer in the entire game with blue and red colors and she's R/B. (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1650) Too bad!

EDIT:

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/573305166033641472
UVO DQXQ --> Xiao Qiao
L/B

AS = Same
LS = When matching 4 colors (3 colors + Heart), ATK goes up (x4)
When matching 5 colors + Heart, ATK goes up by x5
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 02:26:13 AM
Wada's pretty tough. You should probably take a well-deserved break for now.

Also wow you were trying to burst them down in one turn? Usually I just try to muscle through the blind because I KNOW I can't do it in two even with my team unless  I get lucky.

Yeah, I never learned how to deal with blindness. It almost never matters because I can usually shake it off manually with minimal trouble. That might be a real problem once I get into using Kali a lot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 05, 2015, 02:27:00 AM
And I'm throwing out existing alternatives regardless or not anybody may or may not have them, jesus christ.

But that adds nothing to the conversation.  I think you're just saying things to argue for no reason.

Your original complaint was that she lost water orb enhance

Then you responded and said that you'd rather use a heartmaker, which ... also tend not to have orb enhances attached

Then you quoted something else and said you don't need to worry about jammers because you have wee jas

And now you're trying to convince someone that parvati's better, which I always agreed with in the first place

If you're going to have a conversation with someone about something, please actually stay on topic instead of just making random points for no reason.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 02:27:47 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/573308071843250176

Da Qiao UVO
Dragon/Healer
New Awakenings:
2 Light Rows
Finger
Skill Boost
Bind Recover
TPA
Skill Bind Resist

If you're going to have a conversation with someone about something, please actually stay on topic instead of just making random points for no reason.

whatever, i'm done
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 02:29:15 AM
LS = When matching 4 colors (3 colors + Heart), ATK goes up (x4)
When matching 5 colors + Heart, ATK goes up by x5
so does this mean she skips being able to deal x4.5 for 5 colors?

i guess that's fair cause otherwise wow would she shit on isis. matching 5 colors with hearts included is actually really easy (compared to matching all 6) and has like a 96% activation rate on random boards or something like that which would of made her way better than Isis

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/573308071843250176

Da Qiao UVO
Dragon/Healer
New Awakenings:
2 Light Rows
Finger
Skill Boost
Bind Recover
TPA
Skill Bind Resist
well so much for dual sister synergy :V

jesus with this and awoken venus light healers have no problems getting rows anymore

pretty good for wukong too even if he is physical (you dont need boosters for heros anyways)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 02:30:20 AM
so does this mean she skips being able to deal x4.5 for 5 colors?

i guess that's fair cause otherwise wow would she shit on isis. matching 5 colors with hearts included is actually really easy (compared to matching all 6) and has like a 96% activation rate on random boards or something like that which would of made her way better than Isis
well so much for dual sister synergy :V

No, she would deal x4.5 for 5 colors. The mechanics is the same as with Goku, except Goku's multipliers are lower than DQ's
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 02:31:33 AM
welp gungho pls hurry with that isis buff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 02:32:48 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/573309403627061248

lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 02:33:52 AM
roniagasm

sorry chaore

it just wasnt meant to be
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 02:36:27 AM
Well that pretty much confirms he ain't getting a second uvo, since he has the bonus awakenings and is still God/Devil.

Oh, and he's now unbindable, because the extra row and extra skillboost wasn't fucking enough right gungho.

Jesus christ.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 02:39:51 AM
if there's anyone who should be op in this game it should be lu bu

cause it's fuckin lu bu

like they should just swap his leader skill with juggler and make him the one true destroyer of worlds :V


also oh boy that attack buff now he's got the second highest attack in the game behind mr always on top Ares


haha even his subtype is red

they should just rename ronia to red hare at this point
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 02:40:11 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/573309403627061248

lol

Huh. Well, as that goes that doesn't seem too bad. I don't play Ronia, but isn't the bind immunity semi-useless for her since she has a metric asston of Recover Binds and your survivability still tanks if she gets bound but he doesn't? It's still pretty useful in general, but it seems like it's a lot less useful for Ronia specifically than basically anything else he was likely to get. Makes Lu Bu/Lu Bu pretty attractive for some dungeons, anyway.

Well that pretty much confirms he ain't getting a second uvo, since he has the bonus awakenings and is still God/Devil.

Oh yeah fair enough. Huh. I assume that means the leader skill on this one is the same? It is as far as I can read, but that's three characters, so anything could be going on in those mystery letters.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 05, 2015, 02:42:47 AM
they should just rename ronia to red hare at this point

ahahahahaha
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 02:43:10 AM
Xiao Qiao: x4.5 for 5 orb colors, x5 for 6 orb colors
DQXQ's Active: Removes Dark and Fire orbs from the board

...  ::)

they should just rename ronia to red hare at this point

well played!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 02:45:21 AM
oh i forgot about xq's active rofl nevermind

dq it is then for best sister
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 05, 2015, 02:50:24 AM
Nope D/R Lu Bu still has a lower combined Dark Attack than Beelzebub with D/D so Beelzebae is still the hardest hitter for Dark[/denial]

Also Beelzebub has a RCV stat :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 02:52:46 AM
Nope D/R Lu Bu still has a lower combined Dark Attack than Beelzebub with D/D so Beelzebae is still the hardest hitter for Dark[/denial]

Also Beelzebub has a RCV stat :V

lu bu probably doesn't require all of the jewels to get though. maybe just one or two of them. :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 05, 2015, 03:02:34 AM
lu bu probably doesn't require all of the jewels to get though. maybe just one or two of them. :v

With great power comes great responsibility! To get Lu Bu, you need to either get super lucky or have a big wallet. Beelzebub is the choice available to everyone. :smug:

... available to everyone eventually.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 03:04:33 AM
With great power comes great responsibility! To get Lu Bu, you need to either get super lucky or have a big wallet. Beelzebub is the choice available to everyone. :smug:

... available to everyone eventually.

i currently don't own a large lu bu

i'll come back to you when i've gotten uvo lu bu but still don't have uvo beelzebub because I used all my jewels for other ults :VVV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 05, 2015, 03:12:34 AM
roniagasm

sorry chaore

it just wasnt meant to be


i was prepared

i'm more confused we're doing singular lu bu ulti still despite the dragon in the art and everything

not going to ship this train harder gungho plz





also all the relevant dark devil leads now have d/r so you can pretty much sprinkle ronia completely with no shame

With great power comes great responsibility! To get Lu Bu, you need to either get super lucky or have a big wallet. Beelzebub is the choice available to everyone. :smug:

... available to everyone eventually.

i've got two and apparently no use because gungho hates me (which isn't new honestly)

who wants the best dark devil lead BV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 03:30:26 AM
aabout 4 hours ago, before I went to college, I started a run of challenge cauchemar with a +297 Lmeta friend, obv using my LMeta team.

I have just finished said run after picking it up periodically between classes, I just spent the last twenty minutes and total of 40 turns just trying to keep myself alive on cauchemar.

1- He barely used cauchemar combat, which might as well be why I survived at all

2- having a max skilled heartmaker is one hell of a blessing... except when you have no dark orbs and cauchemar has just heartbroken you. Fortunately, I survived his following hit with 10HP because of LMeta's auto-heal

3- max skilled echidna is stupid broken, holy shit.

4- I suck at comboing, I absolutely suck at comboing, I am the shittiest almost-rank-200 at comboing.

5- having a hypermaxxed LMeta as a friend does wonders
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 03:42:55 AM
5- having a hypermaxxed LMeta as a friend does wonders

For survivability she certainly does. Running Izanami with Siren and hypermax Lmeta instead of Beyzul and hypermax I&I was interesting. My HP was 10k lower, but I basically had infinite recovery. One set of hearts was enough to cancel out two or three sets of poison orbs from dark Izanami, effectively allowing me to live forever against her, which is something I could never do normally. Of course normally I could've just one-shotted her and I wouldn't need to, but it was interesting to see. And with all the HP from Gabe's leader skill I rarely dropped below half, so Metatron was up all the time.

Actually, have you ever tried a friend Gabriel with your Metatron team? Or I guess a friend Raphael? I don't know if your team composition works for it at all, but it would probably make some dungeons a lot easier. With mini Sun Quan you can possibly even pull it off semi-farmably now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 03:47:41 AM
CHALLENGE MEPHISTO CLEARED AW YISS

All that's left is Hera Beorc...


THE ONE TIME I BEAT HADES

I GET SKILL BINDED WITH MY 80% RESIST

FUCK

THIS

SHIT


goddammit second time i almost beat leviathan but two fucked up combos means he survived


third try died first floor rip
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 05, 2015, 04:14:22 AM
CHALLENGE MEPHISTO CLEARED AW YISS

All that's left is Hera Beorc...


THE ONE TIME I BEAT HADES

I GET SKILL BINDED WITH MY 80% RESIST

FUCK

THIS

SHIT


goddammit second time i almost beat leviathan but two fucked up combos means he survived


third try died first floor rip

CARRY ON MY PUSHEEN-WARD SON

THERE'LL BE SHYNPY WHEN YOU ARE DONE

NOW ROLL A SUPERMAAAAANNNNN
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 04:41:37 AM
On Twitter it was confirmed some monsters will undergo continuous refinement before final release, this seems to be mostly aimed towards Lakshmi who has a lot of players in a furor.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 04:44:31 AM
*sigh*

I wish it was possible to beat the 99 rushes but alas Isis' upper end damage is just too poor for that without a ton of TPA subs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 05, 2015, 04:58:56 AM
CARRY ON MY PUSHEEN-WARD SON

THERE'LL BE SHYNPY WHEN YOU ARE DONE

LAY YOUR WEARY STONES TO REST

DON'T YOU WHALE NO MORE

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 05:07:41 AM
With great power comes great responsibility! To get Lu Bu, you need to either get super lucky or have a big wallet. Beelzebub is the choice available to everyone. :smug:

... available to everyone eventually.

lu fuggen bu is lu fuggen bu though

and technically lu fuggen bu is available to everyone right now, in mini form but it is still lu fuggen bu all the same
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 05, 2015, 05:08:24 AM
lu fuggen bu is lu fuggen bu though

and technically lu fuggen bu is available to everyone right now, in mini form but it is still lu fuggen bu all the same

also rem monsters kind of honestly are available to everyone in the first place
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 05:17:10 AM
FUCK YES I DID IT

I BEAT THEM ALL

FUCKING NOTHING CAN STOP THE BEST GIRL



oh shit i actually have so many pys now

like at least 15 :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 05:43:34 AM
Just spent like half an hour painfully slogging through Cauchemar (could've been five minutes, but I didn't bother to check the dungeon info and assumed Amon did more damage, so I used all my skills on him and had to recharge on Cauch himself, which ended up with all my subs being chain bound for like fifty turns) assuming he dropped a Badpy, but he just gives a queen dragon. That is not worth fifty stamina, much less all that time. Oops.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 05, 2015, 05:44:12 AM
I need to learn to put the tablet down when I continuously do stupid things or keep failing lots in a row, whoops.

I -have- to get this eventually now after all this.  Getting so close so many times is more irritating than failing by a large margin, seriously.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 06:36:24 AM
http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/3400m.html

34M Download Event for JP.

Has new Descend; Kaguya-Hime Descended. No RCV/Awoken Skills Invalid restrictions.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 06:43:18 AM
lol I was just thinking about how there might be more no awakening dungeons to fight the row TPA power creep :V

Also kaguyaaaaa
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 05, 2015, 06:59:09 AM
No RCV and No Awoken at the same time?
Sounds like something a mishmash like Lakshmi would excel at.
Or Beelzebub with Ceres cures. Who needs rows?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 07:13:22 AM
lol I was just thinking about how there might be more no awakening dungeons to fight the row TPA power creep :V

Also kaguyaaaaa

There should be a Descend with No Leader Skill Allowed restriction, like FT :getdown:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 07:39:07 AM
Make a No Leader/Active/Awoken/Hidden Awoken Skills Allowed descend.

STAT STICKS ONLY

FINAL DESTINATION
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 07:49:17 AM
Make a No Leader/Active/Awoken/Hidden Awoken Skills Allowed descend.

STAT STICKS ONLY

FINAL DESTINATION

so have plus eggs or die sounds like
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 09:07:29 AM
Did a quick rank up before bed and got surprising results! Managed to double down the two hardest mythicals in this lineup back-to-back without breaking a sweat. Good to see that my previous failures and experiences were not in vain!

Featuring: Wadatsumi committing suicide (unnecessary but hilarious), RETURN OF BASTET

(http://i.imgur.com/LVvMhgj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/DbhLnyg.png) (http://i.imgur.com/cKXi2O8.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/AEvFQWj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/mmZsJmf.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2015, 09:43:44 AM
I found this copypasta edit and thought it was relevant given Lu Bu's uvo:

Quote
Long ago the three types loved in harmony, but everything changed when the Devils attacked. In the blink of an eye the dragons were wiped out. Two and half years passed. In that time the Devils kept advancing. The Gods tried to hold then off, but the Gods needed too many resources in order to win, and it wasn't long before the Devils began converting many of the Gods to their side. I never knew how they were managing this, and then around 6 months ago their leaders stepped forward. In the darkness hidden among his warriors, was Lu Bu. But in a pillar of fire, my sister Ronia descended. Once she had emerged it was over. Zaerog fell in a matter of days. I dispatched my other sisters in an attempt to stop her, but even though Blonia was more powerful, she didn't have the allies that Ronia had, and she soon faded, Gronia never stood a chance. Nothing seemed to help, buy my guards had an idea, Beyzul and Wangren had come up with a plan to defend Zaerog, i agreed, and they were off. Kouryu was in danger too, so i dispatched Threedia. This was my worst failure, Ronia swept Threedia and kept marching. Defoud snuck up on her though, and stopped Ronia in front of Kouryu, the Devils had almost been defeated, but Kouryu had always been foolish. In moment of rashness he sent Byakko to take the fight to Ronia, but she betrayed us worse than we could have known. Byakko sacrificed herself to Ronia, and she transcended to a whole new level. There is only one option left, i will Descend upon the realm of puzzles, and with blessing of my Guards, we will defeat Ronia, and bring balance back to Puzzles and Dragons. For i am the Legendary Dragon that the people were told to seek out when they began their journey. I am Grand Sonia. And the Dragons are not dead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 02:05:13 PM
Did one Three Kingdoms pull, got Cao Cao. Seems good to me, he looks like a great Tengu and Gaia lead OH WAIT NO HE DOESN'T get out of here Cao Cao I don't want you.

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/3400m.html

34M Download Event for JP.

Has new Descend; Kaguya-Hime Descended. No RCV/Awoken Skills Invalid restrictions.

So fight the two-prong power creep, feed the Egypt 2.0 power creep, huh? That sounds ridiculous, hopefully it's designed in such a way as to be actually possible without an incredibly specific team.

Kaguyaaaaaaaa,
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 05, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
So fight the two-prong power creep, feed the Egypt 2.0 power creep, huh? That sounds ridiculous, hopefully it's designed in such a way as to be actually possible without an incredibly specific team.

Kaguyaaaaaaaa,

I mean. No Rcv.

If anything I don't think anyone has an entirely solid stake here other than the tricolor chinese and egypt 1.0.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 05:06:04 PM
I mean. No Rcv.

If anything I don't think anyone has an entirely solid stake here other than the tricolor chinese and egypt 1.0.

You think? This looks great for Hathor. She has buff HP to tank hits if she has to, doesn't seem to rely on prongs for huge damage like Chinese, and should be getting a lot of full activations. I don't play her though, so I could be way off.

Fair enough on egypts though, possibly especially Horus. His awakenings are ass anyway, he doesn't want hearts, and Kaguya has a decent chance to be at least part green.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 05, 2015, 05:15:48 PM
You think? This looks great for Hathor. She has buff HP to tank hits if she has to, doesn't seem to rely on prongs for huge damage like Chinese, and should be getting a lot of full activations. I don't play her though, so I could be way off.

Not...really? She can't really heal and more often than not her HP and rcv boost is a tradeoff for her awful conditional that tends to lead you -to- taking hits in the first place :v

I don't really like Hathor in general, but I feel pretty sketch in taking her to a place where her big benefit of having a large rcv pool is meaningless.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 05:31:40 PM
You think? This looks great for Hathor. She has buff HP to tank hits if she has to, doesn't seem to rely on prongs for huge damage like Chinese, and should be getting a lot of full activations. I don't play her though, so I could be way off.

You'd have to slot in someone like Angelion, but it could work depending on where you plan to eat hits. I do something similar for Mephisto and it works out just fine.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 05:39:14 PM
Not...really? She can't really heal and more often than not her HP and rcv boost is a tradeoff for her awful conditional that tends to lead you -to- taking hits in the first place :v

I don't really like Hathor in general, but I feel pretty sketch in taking her to a place where her big benefit of having a large rcv pool is meaningless.

Interesting. I would assume that the big HP and big recovery means you could get along with just a heartmaker fine as long as you're activating regularly and there aren't hard stop light absorb floors or anything.

I suppose a lot of that depends on how long the dungeon is and how hard stuff hits. I'm assuming not that long and not that hard because of the harsh restrictions, but if she had to take several hits in a row she might be fucked. One hit every few turns would be okay I would think.

Now I kind of want a Hathor so I can try her and see how she actually works.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 06:02:44 PM
eh I dont think Hathor is that hard to activate
when I tryhard with Isis I get 5 atts most of the time, and 4 atts the rest of the time (when I'm lazy farming though then it's 4 atts almost every time)
6 atts usually only happens with good luck and 3 atts with bad luck

also if you can get kali sub for her then you're really good
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 06:44:31 PM
So I just had a glitch where the enemy turn ended and a dark orb near the corner of the board suddenly warped to where my finger was and caused me to skip a turn instantly, resulting in 50 stamina gone. The strangest part about it was that nothing else moved as a result of this and it happened in about a split second. I guess I can't complain given the stupid good runs I had with the other two clears but I'll be damned if I ever heard about this bug before.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 07:01:25 PM
It might be more of a glitch with your phone rather than the game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 05, 2015, 07:21:42 PM
That reminds me of a weird thing that happened to me, I think a couple weeks ago.  I was getting ready to move an orb, and I swear I saw a diagonal of like 3 or 4 orbs just shift one column over.  I don't know whether it really happened at this point, but I could swear it did.  Freaky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 05, 2015, 07:55:55 PM
So I just had a glitch where the enemy turn ended and a dark orb near the corner of the board suddenly warped to where my finger was and caused me to skip a turn instantly, resulting in 50 stamina gone. The strangest part about it was that nothing else moved as a result of this and it happened in about a split second. I guess I can't complain given the stupid good runs I had with the other two clears but I'll be damned if I ever heard about this bug before.

Do you mean this?
(http://i.imgur.com/gYINEwD.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
It might be more of a glitch with your phone rather than the game

It might, which worries me. I don't have the money to replace my phone, yet I have no idea how an orb is physically able to warp across the screen like that. Either way, I hope it doesn't happen again.

Do you mean this?
(http://i.imgur.com/gYINEwD.png)

This is exactly what happened. I have no idea how.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 07:59:41 PM
oh that glitch

you can do it on purpose by trying to move an orb at a certain time in between turns

sometimes i do it on purpose when farming weak dungeons like thursdays :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 05, 2015, 08:14:13 PM
oh that glitch

you can do it on purpose by trying to move an orb at a certain time in between turns

sometimes i do it on purpose when farming weak dungeons like thursdays :V

Well, I needed 3 tries to get the screenshot right  :V (was able to get the glitch 3 times though)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 08:18:50 PM
oh that glitch

you can do it on purpose by trying to move an orb at a certain time in between turns

sometimes i do it on purpose when farming weak dungeons like thursdays :V

So basically to prevent this from happening again I just have to keep my fingers off the screen until it's my turn again?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2015, 08:40:22 PM
So basically to prevent this from happening again I just have to keep my fingers off the screen until it's my turn again?
pretty much
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 05, 2015, 08:51:10 PM
well Zhao Yun is a really frustrating descend
After getting past Samurai Dragon without its gravity going off, I proceed to trigger GZL's gtfo attack because two dark TPAs fell in a skyfall while my skillbind was still up.
Thanks, game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 09:32:05 PM
Meanwhile I get dark skyfall'ed with my GZL team and revive the divinegon as he kills me.

I'm just glad mini gzl seems to be a guaranteed drop even on legend otherwise I wouldn't even be running this thing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 10:36:17 PM
Meanwhile I get dark skyfall'ed with my GZL team and revive the divinegon as he kills me.

I'm just glad mini gzl seems to be a guaranteed drop even on legend otherwise I wouldn't even be running this thing.

Is the droprate 100%? Wow, I missed the bus yet again. Been wracking my brain all day trying to figure out a reliable way to clear Mythical, but that works too. I want the stone, but I really want the skillups.

I think I do need to get around to nakibg a Horus team after all just for times like this. Zhao Yun himself is Gabe's literal worst enemy. But Horus may be able to shred him. And witb Awoken Horus probably pending I should get my subs in order.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
There has not been a single run of Zhao Yun Legend so far that has not given me a mini gzl drop. So I'd say it's guaranteed.

Course, my sample size is small, so...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 10:53:56 PM
My sample size of one so far yielded the same results. I'll add a couple more to the pool later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 11:28:14 PM
I'm just glad mini gzl seems to be a guaranteed drop even on legend otherwise I wouldn't even be running this thing.

Uhhhhhhh no. Just going to debunk this right now so people don't get their hopes up.

Legend - 40%
Mythical - 80%
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2015, 11:30:47 PM
Ouch, not even 100% Mythical? That's rough.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 11:40:02 PM
Uhhhhhhh no. Just going to debunk this right now so people don't get their hopes up.

Legend - 40%
Mythical - 80%
There has not been a single run of Zhao Yun Legend so far that has not given me a mini gzl drop. So I'd say it's guaranteed.

Course, my sample size is small, so...
:derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2015, 11:44:32 PM
Ouch, not even 100% Mythical? That's rough.

I can at least confirm this one because I have gotten past tiny GZL on Mythical once and he did not drop an egg.

:derp:

If I had a dollar for every person that scrolled down a page and saw something like "100% rate" without reading the disclaimers right below, I'd be insanely rich. People often stop once they see what they want to see.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2015, 11:49:25 PM
Fair enough. I'll leave my disclaimers at the top then :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 06, 2015, 01:47:21 AM
My twinlits team has achieved some semblance of actual consistency now which is really good cause now I can farm Angelits at will.

Here is my recipe for beating it:

Wave 1 - Pop Hanzo, one-shot wave 1
Wave 2 - Stall 1 turn, then pop Lilith, kill
Wave 3 - Pop Black Mage, kill Dublits, if any guys are binded, wait out the binds then kill TAMADRA Baby
Wave 4 - Get hit by Angelit, then Hakuhanzo one-shot

Out of 11 runs I got 9 Angelits and 2 Devilits, that is to say I'm ready to attempt max-skilling my LKali :VVV

EDIT: 0/8 Lkali during x2.5 skillup rate :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2015, 03:57:55 AM
Turns out I can reliably beat Wadatsumi with Gabriel after all. I just need to use Beyzul on the Leviathan and be careful not to accidentally kill it too fast so I can swap back in time to tank hits from UmiYama. It takes some careful skill management, but it's totally doable. Now I can't remember why I had such a hard time the first time I beat it on Mythical. Maybe I accidentally swept the first floor too fast and didn't have Beyzul up in time or something. Weird.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 06, 2015, 04:08:39 AM

Out of 11 runs I got 9 Angelits and 2 Devilits, that is to say I'm ready to attempt max-skilling my LKali :VVV

EDIT: 0/8 Lkali during x2.5 skillup rate :colonveeplusalpha:

The angel:devil lit ratio balances out...!

...
oh..
I know that feel ;-; 2.5x never works
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2015, 05:32:03 AM
The only challenge dungeon left that I think I stand a chance at (which is to say, not the 99 stamina rushes) is Mephistopheles. I miiight be able to pull that off with Athena or Kali, but I don't know if I'm going to bother to try. I don't really want the Badpy right now (that could change at any time obviously) and I've never done it before. Last time I evaluated it I was convinced it was impossible with Kali because I didn't understand the absorb shield mechanic, but now that I know how it works I can get past Lucifer. I guess I need to take a good luck at it and decide if I can do it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 06, 2015, 05:57:29 AM
The only challenge dungeon left that I think I stand a chance at (which is to say, not the 99 stamina rushes) is Mephistopheles. I miiight be able to pull that off with Athena or Kali, but I don't know if I'm going to bother to try. I don't really want the Badpy right now (that could change at any time obviously) and I've never done it before. Last time I evaluated it I was convinced it was impossible with Kali because I didn't understand the absorb shield mechanic, but now that I know how it works I can get past Lucifer. I guess I need to take a good luck at it and decide if I can do it.

I don't see any absorb shields here? Though I hope you also have a way to get past the light bind.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 06, 2015, 06:00:37 AM
The only challenge dungeon left that I think I stand a chance at (which is to say, not the 99 stamina rushes) is Mephistopheles. I miiight be able to pull that off with Athena or Kali, but I don't know if I'm going to bother to try. I don't really want the Badpy right now (that could change at any time obviously) and I've never done it before. Last time I evaluated it I was convinced it was impossible with Kali because I didn't understand the absorb shield mechanic, but now that I know how it works I can get past Lucifer. I guess I need to take a good luck at it and decide if I can do it.

I posted a pic here of me beating Mephisto with a LKali team so you can definitely do it. Also nothing there has any absorb shields as Chirei said. Anyway with LKali it IS possible but you need to have some way of dealing with CDD's Light bind. How I did it was having LMeta + DMeta in the same team. Since the dungeon is No RCV you can't clear binds using hearts. So you must use LMeta's active to clear 2 binds, then use DMeta's shield to tank CDD's attack, then wait out the last turn of bind. Then kill either with your natural board or use LKali active if you are scared. Having DMeta as your only Dark sub gives you the added bonus of not being potentially wrecked by Luci's Jammer pre-empt because he'll use his Dark bind instead, which should fail horribly.

Sadly it doesn't look like you have Dmeta, so let me come up with something else.

Also I did another round of Twinlits during lunch and got 2/3 skillups this time, so now my LKali is at SLvl5. Hooray!

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2015, 06:04:27 AM
I don't see any absorb shields here? Though I hope you also have a way to get past the light bind.

Oops, I read Lucifer's dark bind as dark absorb. That's a little more problematic, but I might be able to get around it with a bind-resistant dark sub or just Echidna.

My plan for the light bind was to bring Ruka, but if I need to bring Echidna for Lucifer as well I may need to lose an entire Kali, and that's not great.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 06, 2015, 06:14:27 AM
My plan for the light bind was to bring Ruka, but if I need to bring Echidna for Lucifer as well I may need to lose an entire Kali, and that's not great.

Having just your leader and friend leader Kalis should be plentiful enough as it is for this dungeon, I think it's worth the sacrifice to have more utility for Mephisto, his dungeon is somewhat troublesome. It's No-RCV so you won't experience much unneeded orb density as there's no hearts.

EDIT:

20:14:07  trancehime: BunnyDragonJesus: Izanami Descend showed up and it was 27mins away from disappearing so I did it and got DIzanami so now I have 2 days to farm dark bowl dragons to maxskill her
20:14:20  BunnyDragonJesus: trance: welcome to die
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2015, 03:20:10 PM
At this point I think my best bet for Mephisto is a Kali healer build with a Metatron friend. Maybe Kali/Kali/Sun Quan/Echidna/Durga?/WMeta. Not sure if that actually makes sense or not, will look more closely later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 06, 2015, 04:24:12 PM
I'm back yay! My precious waifus have returned to me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 06, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
I'm back yay! My precious waifus have returned to me
They get a lot of flak for content(which they probably get little to no say over anyway having to answer to the JP overlords), but GungHo takes care of their players in my experience. Glad to hear you're back up and running!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 06, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
I am wondering if there is a legal / policy reason the Google backup service is opt in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2015, 04:55:22 PM
I had a dumb idea this morning and tried to re-create my normal team one for one in low rarity to do PADZ mythical. It totally would have worked too, but I got a skydragon on the second to last floor and went into the last floor with less actives than I wanted.

My team was Blue Snowglobe/Siren/Siegfried/Sun Quan/Beyzul/Sun Quan. Snowglobe is no Gabe. It was quite a slog.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 06, 2015, 06:01:29 PM
I went on a daydream and realized what the healer full board changer must look like.

(http://i.imgur.com/MJyJoi6.jpg)

Also mobile is hard
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 06, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
I went on a daydream and realized what the healer full board changer must look like.

(http://i.imgur.com/MJyJoi6.jpg)

Also mobile is hard

Nah, he looks like this.
(http://i.imgur.com/H1ezGSX.png)

:V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 06, 2015, 07:08:08 PM
I should have learned my lesson last time and just start off just saying I want a healer with a seven star like ability
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 06, 2015, 07:32:22 PM
I should have learned my lesson last time and just start off just saying I want a healer with a seven star like ability

http://m.puzzledragonx.com/monster.asp?n=1567
Rip NA

Well There's also Famiel
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2015, 07:35:02 PM
LKali's a healer.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 06, 2015, 07:37:33 PM
LKali's a healer.
..but changes to five colors as opposed to three.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2015, 08:14:35 PM
wait none of the chinese girls are healers??

...huh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2015, 08:15:50 PM
SANTA KIRIN IS!!!!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 06, 2015, 08:16:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eZMK7m3.jpg)

Looks like I no-stoned another Mythical. Gotta keep this ball rolling.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 06, 2015, 08:58:59 PM
SANTA KIRIN IS!!!!
Damn skippy and let me tell you getting that gravity is sweet insurance for boss nuking (note this does not prevent all instances of user dumbass matching error)

Is it worth feeding babydras or should I evolve them?  I have a bunch of dublits from the Christmas dungeon but the gold dragons  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 06, 2015, 10:00:43 PM
Stream summary for day 1:

+3 tamas
+2 stones
+3000 pal points
+1 badpy
Takeru/Sun Quan ults and present egg update incoming
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 06, 2015, 10:03:42 PM
Also possible showdown at noon tomorrow, Antonio hinted at a pad challenge face off with someone from Nintendo...

Antonio VS Reggie might be a thing. Whose body is more ready? Find out tomorrow at noon, on dragon ball z
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 06, 2015, 10:30:49 PM
Holy crap I just died to devil rush because skyfall poison orbs combo.
pls

Devil Rush 4 : Thaws 0

This is gonna be worse than Hera Rush.

Edit: I died after Mephisto binded all my gods, I actually had an extra turn but I had no hearts, but just now I realized I could've used Liu Bei to heal 3000 to survive that hit...
But I didn't realize I wouldn't survive by like less than 100hp. I thought I had enough to take a hit. WELP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
present egg update incoming
you still owe me a present egg i think :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 06, 2015, 11:27:29 PM
you still owe me a present egg i think :v

Maybe there'll be a reset when that update hits? If so I'll make good on that.

Otherwise it might be Christmas again. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 06, 2015, 11:38:53 PM
So since the streams today brought to me the existence of PAD Challenge, I started poking around at them and I noticed that in one of the stages, Hera-Ur still displays as "Strong". I got curious and tried to see what happens if you let her move by running down all 99 turns.

(http://i.imgur.com/tPiYvLx.png)

It turns out it's the same as if you let her move in the actual game!

p.s. suikama there's totally an ISIS MODE in one of these selections
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 07, 2015, 12:13:27 AM
Inspiration for a PAD cosplay group for Otakon Y/Y?
(http://i.imgur.com/9bk8kv7.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 07, 2015, 12:19:28 AM
Inspiration for a PAD cosplay group for Otakon Y/Y?
(http://i.imgur.com/9bk8kv7.png)
I won't lie, I -have- considered trying to make some kind of PAD cosplay eventually, though I'm not sure who I'd go as if I did.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 07, 2015, 12:32:43 AM
So since the streams today brought to me the existence of PAD Challenge, I started poking around at them and I noticed that in one of the stages, Hera-Ur still displays as "Strong". I got curious and tried to see what happens if you let her move by running down all 99 turns.

(http://i.imgur.com/tPiYvLx.png)

It turns out it's the same as if you let her move in the actual game!

p.s. suikama there's totally an ISIS MODE in one of these selections
wait what where
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 07, 2015, 01:00:44 AM
So I just beat beelzebub in challenge descended with my LMeta Team.

Now I need to do it on the actual dungeon :derp:

Unfortunately I think that's as far as I can go tbh, so my main haul from this set of challenges is a woodpy and a flampy.

Yay?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 07, 2015, 01:14:56 AM
YEAH

(http://i.imgur.com/MHWfQMS.png) (http://i.imgur.com/6sut4C5.png)

Mad thanks to Conqueror for actually having a skilled DQXQ!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 07, 2015, 05:52:39 AM
After a couple of tries, I finally took out Mephistopheles. Now, I have Hera-S, Hera-U, Wadatsumi, and Izanami to take out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 07, 2015, 08:26:42 AM
Not MLG-tier or anything, but I'm satisfied with just this.

All Legend + Mythical Challenges cleared with Leilan!

(http://i.imgur.com/P1aDgET.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 07, 2015, 08:55:51 AM
Not MLG-tier or anything, but I'm satisfied with just this.

All Legend + Mythical Challenges cleared with Leilan!

(http://i.imgur.com/P1aDgET.png)

chirei how did you get your hands on an iPhone 7 plus
Congrats!

I'm currently at 6 attempts for Devil's Domain. The run just now was probably my best run, where I died the turn after I stalled out the bind from mephisto.
I keep forgetting to take the fact that I'd be darkened by mephisto into factor when I'm planning my combos.
It seems like stalling out of the bind is not enough, I also need to survive one more board darken and then 12k damage so I can strike back with a non-darkened board.
And to make things complicated, I need to make sure I get to satan with 6.5k hp to take the pre-empt, so this is where Liu Bei's 3k heal might actually be relevant!

Wave 2 enemies:
Vamp: 3
Fatty: 1
Kraken: 0
Cerebus: 2

My team's green so getting kraken means complete team bind, but I'm curious if anyone remembers whether the kraken from Zeus Merc do the bind attack first or normal attack first? because if he does bind I can actually survive it, but normal attack is 24k damage pls.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 07, 2015, 10:10:43 AM
Not MLG-tier or anything, but I'm satisfied with just this.

All Legend + Mythical Challenges cleared with Leilan!

(http://i.imgur.com/P1aDgET.png)
Did I hear MLG?
(http://soundboard.panictank.net/loading.gif)
gratz


(http://i.imgur.com/ZeXuPlY.png)

Did Hera, now that I have Echidna in my team.
5 Turns, though I still had Karin and 1 Neph active available if I didn't make it  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 07, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
Congrats, you're rich!  2 million coins richer, that is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 07, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
:toot: :toot:
We've gone quite a ways from when everyone would snag their first Hera with either an Ammy/Odin, dark resist or Luci team taking at least an hour.
YUP DON'T MISS THOSE DAYS.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 07, 2015, 04:02:54 PM
chirei how did you get your hands on an iPhone 7 plus

My team's green so getting kraken means complete team bind, but I'm curious if anyone remembers whether the kraken from Zeus Merc do the bind attack first or normal attack first? because if he does bind I can actually survive it, but normal attack is 24k damage pls.

I welded three smaller iphones together to create a monster phone

Bind attack is always first. Alternates with normal attack after. You may run into the nasty problem of having bind counters stacked on key units, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 07, 2015, 05:08:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wVCXq5vl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/wVCXq5v.jpg)

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 07, 2015, 05:18:01 PM
RDJ

WHAT ARE YOU DOING

RDJ

STOP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 07, 2015, 05:33:34 PM
(http://puu.sh/gqoet/a37a68ef99.jpg)

Don't worry, everyone is safe...for now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 07, 2015, 06:56:28 PM
Raise your hand if you forgot to pop Shynee after prepping your board on Satan.....
....
....
.....
.... twice in a row.
:fail: :fail: :fail:
It is me I am Queen Of Bad Puzzling
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 07, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
I've done that too Triangles   :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 07, 2015, 07:02:08 PM
Raise your hand if you forgot to pop Shynee after prepping your board on Satan.....
....
....
.....
.... twice in a row.
:fail: :fail: :fail:
It is me I am Queen Of Bad Puzzling

I don't use King Shynee, but does forgetting to Izanagi in Athena count?



So far, I just cleared out Hera S. and Hera-U, so that just leaves Izanami and Wadatsumi until I can say I cleared out all the non rush dungeons. Wadatsumi is a matter of leveling Luci, but I'm not sure whether to tackle Izanami with Kirin or Perseus. Kirin handles handles dark Izanami more easily and doesn't care about attributes. However, Perseus will never have to stall out Izanami without actives. However, Hino Kagu is fire and getting dark Izanami to red without killing her is a death sentence.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 07, 2015, 07:03:32 PM
I should really get back to doing descended challenges since my Z team is rather weak and stoppable by giant dragons

but this is kinda more fun :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 07, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
My no-uevo ronia + lu bu + lilith + no uevo aa luci + vamp + friend chibi ronia team barely worked for it, but it managed to get through eventually.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 07, 2015, 07:12:22 PM
Abusing Verdandi and GZL being 6* is panning out fine, but I need to evo my second grodin and also probably level up this freyja and susano (and find better options than both)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 07, 2015, 11:52:17 PM
Don't worry, everyone is safe...for now.

I lied.

(http://i.imgur.com/F5HyD2Pl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/F5HyD2P.jpg)

(this was definitely not a safe run up to the boss but it's strangely satisfying knowing Happo can't hurt me)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 08, 2015, 01:57:20 AM
Using L Kali to do Pad Z Master is stressful when you're as bad at matching as I am.

Also 40% might as well be 0%
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 08, 2015, 02:07:48 AM
Using L Kali to do Pad Z Master is stressful when you're as bad at matching as I am.

Also 40% might as well be 0%

Don't tell nobody, but it took me five tries to beat Mythical with my Kali team (which is leveled and skillupped). I am really bad at Kali.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 08, 2015, 02:36:48 AM
I am going into Z LEVEL with my cobbled together hobo LKali team YEAH LET'S DO THIS
or fail miserably either or.

rofl stage 1 orbtrolled welp gg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on March 08, 2015, 06:39:51 AM
700 stamina on Hera Beorc and I finally got that Shynpy. I wish I had a leveled non-Light team so I didn't have to do it with Kirin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 08, 2015, 07:00:08 AM
I am going into Z LEVEL with my cobbled together hobo LKali team YEAH LET'S DO THIS
or fail miserably either or.

rofl stage 1 orbtrolled welp gg

I actually was faced with this decision to use LKali with my DQXQ for Z since so many of the PADX builds suggested them. I decided to use double DQXQ instead, and lo and behold the opening board had two light orbs. Very nearly dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 08, 2015, 07:16:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/N89PSGzl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/N89PSGz.jpg)

this Mugmil has found the dark skydragons' greatest weakness

sleepytime tea

(seriously I should not be having as much fun with these as I am)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 08, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
Oh right I should have been working on hunting those for Undine...oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 08, 2015, 04:19:04 PM
I actually was faced with this decision to use LKali with my DQXQ for Z since so many of the PADX builds suggested them. I decided to use double DQXQ instead, and lo and behold the opening board had two light orbs. Very nearly dodged a bullet.

I did it using Fafnir and Chaore's Verdandi. All the other Verdandi's I have aren't skilled :(

I would go GGY, but 99% gravity followed by an 10/11k preemptive is not something I want to deal with.


Also, I died on Wadatsumi three times. The time, I fucked up matches and died on the first floor. The 2nd time, I failed to kill UmiYama and used the big move. 3rd time I tried to chip him down and sky falls made so that he fell in range to use the big move.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 08, 2015, 07:57:52 PM
I did it using Fafnir and Chaore's Verdandi. All the other Verdandi's I have aren't skilled :(

Most of mine aren't either.

-slackers-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 08, 2015, 08:05:04 PM
Almost none of my Kali friends are skillupped. I have one +297 max skill friend, but he only uses his Kali rarely and is higher rank than me to the point that he's not up for very long anyway. In many ways I've kind of screwed myself with my +egg habits since I don't have any high-+ popular leaders, and as a result I have a lot of trouble getting people to accept friend requests. At least with Kali having one skillmax one is usually enough. If I have to use her skill twice in a couple of turns early on things are horribly awry and I'm probably going to lose anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 08, 2015, 08:41:38 PM
I'm mrgrgr that I got my Kali after the Angelit skill up period  :fail:
Still makes for a great "ohshit" button sub which was how I beat PAD Z XTREME this morning (also thanks to Arashi's babbymeta to rock along with SQ)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 08, 2015, 10:57:10 PM
In many ways I've kind of screwed myself with my +egg habits since I don't have any high-+ popular leaders, and as a result I have a lot of trouble getting people to accept friend requests.

it's okay we can all suffer together
Beelzebub problems for life. In the mean time my mail box is pretty much only +297 Ronias who want my Beelzebub.
TAMADRApurin is significantly less popular than I thought so I only have two other +297 Purin buddies.

I haven't received any Byakko invites either which is understandable because hypermax Byakko are a dime a dozen.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 09, 2015, 12:00:47 AM
So I figure I should let as many people know about this as possible.

[19:44] <Chirei> REALLY IMPORTANT http://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/2yc70o/se_survey_had_option_for_pad_bring_ff_collab_to_na/
[19:45] <Chirei> Also because people still seem to be confused by this, this is NOT FFCD
[19:45] <Chirei> this is the GOOD ONE with Cloud and all of those other duders
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 09, 2015, 12:04:39 AM
well we still dont know if that colab is broken as well or not :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2015, 12:07:29 AM
it's okay we can all suffer together
Beelzebub problems for life. In the mean time my mail box is pretty much only +297 Ronias who want my Beelzebub.
TAMADRApurin is significantly less popular than I thought so I only have two other +297 Purin buddies.

I haven't received any Byakko invites either which is understandable because hypermax Byakko are a dime a dozen.

My mailbox is full of only rank fifty blue Valkyrie players. If I have open spots I always accept them until they absolutely invariably switch to Ronia and then I delete them. I really wish I could pull Reine from my slot one and put up Athena or Kali full-time, but I'd feel bad about screwing those low-rank randos.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 09, 2015, 12:14:48 AM
well we still dont know if that colab is broken as well or not :V

yo whatever man if this collab is broken at least it'll be with cool characters
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 09, 2015, 12:18:10 AM
All four Legend Plus rush dungeons cleared with Bastet!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/YnZQW3X.png)(http://i.imgur.com/aVR9HIK.png)(http://i.imgur.com/eqArND6.png)(http://i.imgur.com/icszLUe.png)

and here's the link to my Devil Rush run :v
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUdC1-srOKI

Run was both super lucky and unlucky.
It'd been insta-death if I didn't have 6 hearts at mephisto.
I screwed up timing of using thief's AS on Satan.
I went into Beelze with LKali just back up again.
And of course, that perfect finishing hit.
I'm just so happy right now :DDDDD
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 09, 2015, 03:51:26 AM
Welp, got first wave invaded by haku on Hera-Is Mythical but skyfalls after Aldeberan healed me over 80% on GZL, so there was no way I could kill CDD before I got murdered.

And this being GZL, stoning is pointless, so skyfalls just screwed me out of a Jewel. :/

(Also bitch Haku skill locked me despite my 80% skill lock resist >:( )
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 09, 2015, 06:28:58 AM

(Also bitch Haku skill locked me despite my 80% skill lock resist >:( )

Yeah, LIzanami skill locked me when I had 80% skill lock resist when I did it as well... Fortunately I didn't really care too much about it.

Also, a personal first for me since out of 9 challenge dungeons I had never done it before:

0-stone LV6

(http://i.imgur.com/IZ0pY9L.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 09, 2015, 11:59:41 AM
Did anybody but me happen to get 6000 coins and 150 pal points today? That's definitely not right.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 09, 2015, 01:07:33 PM


I screwed up timing of using thief's AS on Satan.


Lol I thought you did that on purpose, in case Satan bound thief right before World Ends.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2015, 01:14:31 PM
+eggs from boosted technicals are back in form today. ~200 stamina spent so far, got seven eggs. Three runs of Mechdragons yielded two eggs, five runs of Door Of Light And Shadow dropped five.

Did anybody but me happen to get 6000 coins and 150 pal points today? That's definitely not right.

I don't think so. But I wasn't paying close attention.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 09, 2015, 01:18:42 PM
I got my two rolls of the 3K PEM so -shrug-?

Also Star Vault tomorrow I am so ready to +297 Beelzebae.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2015, 02:29:23 PM
Oh shit, boosted technicals AND Star Vault? I might just drop a few stones and try to finish Gabriel. Getting close.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 09, 2015, 03:51:34 PM
+eggs from boosted technicals are back in form today. ~200 stamina spent so far, got seven eggs. Three runs of Mechdragons yielded two eggs, five runs of Door Of Light And Shadow dropped five.

I don't think so. But I wasn't paying close attention.

I didn't get +eggs all weekend though pdx did show the +egg boost since Friday.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 09, 2015, 05:11:23 PM
To anyone who tanked Siren  in Wadatsumi, does she use her gravity more than once?  I'm not sure if she does it once or if she starts off with it every time you live through her biggest hit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
To anyone who tanked Siren  in Wadatsumi, does she use her gravity more than once?  I'm not sure if she does it once or if she starts off with it every time you live through her biggest hit.

I can't remember exactly how it went down last time I fought her, but I think she used her biggest hit on me twice. Don't quote me, but I don't think she re-starts the sequence.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 09, 2015, 05:41:23 PM
I can't remember exactly how it went down last time I fought her, but I think she used her biggest hit on me twice. Don't quote me, but I don't think she re-starts the sequence.

So are you saying that she just gravity you twice, or that she's going to keep nailing me for 46k every turn after she starts using it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 09, 2015, 05:50:49 PM
re: Wadatsumi

Paging rdj.  repeat, paging rdj.

(IIRC he did that dungeon with Luci, so he'd know better than anyone else how she did it.  I wanna say she only uses the gravity once, then cycles through her attacks again(so starts with the weakest version after she uses her 46k version) but I don't remember for sure what he'd said when he did it so...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 09, 2015, 05:54:16 PM
iirc, when I used Godin+Ammy she immediately goes back to weaksauce hits after her big hit. It's been a while since I Godin+Ammy'd through it, though, of course.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 09, 2015, 06:21:44 PM
there are the golden eggs :)

(http://i.imgur.com/X5jgHtP.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 09, 2015, 06:23:20 PM
re: Wadatsumi

Paging rdj.  repeat, paging rdj.

(IIRC he did that dungeon with Luci, so he'd know better than anyone else how she did it.  I wanna say she only uses the gravity once, then cycles through her attacks again(so starts with the weakest version after she uses her 46k version) but I don't remember for sure what he'd said when he did it so...

I can verify that what you said is accurate.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 09, 2015, 06:24:10 PM
@Dorakyura:
Two in a row, not bad.

Shame they're the same one, but still.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 09, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
@Dorakyura:
Two in a row, not bad.

Shame they're the same one, but still.

Who would be the other golden? guan yu?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 09, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
Who would be the other golden? guan yu?
Yeah, chibiRGY is in there as well from what I recall as your other gold.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 09, 2015, 06:50:02 PM
Lol I thought you did that on purpose, in case Satan bound thief right before World Ends.

While I didn't consider that at the time. What I was thinking was using thief right before world end allows me to take one more hit from beelze after the turn where I used LKali, which I can use to do a more proper burst with Liu Bei on a board with both dark and hearts (Hopefully killing Beelze instead of leaving him at under 50%) I had to take a world end because otherwise I couldn't get to Beelze with LKali on.  Chance of Thief getting bind (25% of choosing him*50% resist not working) is lower than me not resisting any of the full board poisons (60%*60%) so I thought it'd be the gamble that makes more sense. But yea... I messed up but everything turned out well so whatever :v (If Satan really did use World end 1 turn earlier I wouldn't have had LKali on anyways)

Also Andromeda#2 at 4/7 skillups, my luck is back!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2015, 08:55:07 PM
I have waaaaay more RCV +eggs than anything else. When I feed Gabe his next +10 rando he'll be at +99 recovery, but only +250 overall. Guess I have to decide who to start next like, today (it's definitely Sun Quan). Picking through every egg I get from now on to divide them correctly is going to be a bitch.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 09, 2015, 09:52:12 PM
I recently hit that point with LMeta (also rcv eggs....) and now I gotta think of the next worthy candidate.  Kali or Santa Kirin hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 09, 2015, 10:03:12 PM
Kali's probably gonna be the better +egg investment in the long run, since she'll find more use as a sub imo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 09, 2015, 10:19:50 PM
That was my initial idea and she does have a head start from some of the egged up tamadras.
Light XP whyyyyyyy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 10, 2015, 03:55:07 AM
So, this picture. I like this picture.

(http://i.imgur.com/MfIEWYOl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/MfIEWYO.png)

I think it came from someone on Reddit; should be sort of self-explanatory.

(http://i.imgur.com/s6q4XgWl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/s6q4XgW.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/wfaMlrLl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/wfaMlrL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xv7frdQl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/xv7frdQ.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/a6TJWLkl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/a6TJWLk.jpg)

This is why I like that picture.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 10, 2015, 08:55:33 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575216671503183872 Lkali uvo art

time to uvo all 5 of my lkalis and make the waifu army
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 10, 2015, 09:53:07 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575216671503183872 Lkali uvo art

time to uvo all 5 of my lkalis and make the waifu army

This artist needs to do more art for PAD *_*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 10, 2015, 12:22:57 PM
Also, "ults announced last week reworked, details to be released tomorrow" (with actual cards released this weekend)

But damn, that freaking art.

The overdesign is real but at the same time it's gorgeus, I hope this artist draws Awoken Horus.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 10, 2015, 12:24:06 PM
Despite my better judgement of stamina usage on a Star Vault day, I finally got around to no-stoning Legendary Earth with BeelzebubxDMetatron?

I immediately followed it up with a repeat dungeon entry, but this time only Beelzebub managed to pierce the defense of two enemies because TPA.

DAMMIT EVERYONE ELSE IS SLACKING.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 10, 2015, 12:38:35 PM
Despite my better judgement of stamina usage on a Star Vault day, I finally got around to no-stoning Legendary Earth with BeelzebubxDMetatron?

I immediately followed it up with a repeat dungeon entry, but this time only Beelzebub managed to pierce the defense of two enemies because TPA.

DAMMIT EVERYONE ELSE IS SLACKING.

#2/3prongnation

But damn, that freaking art.

The overdesign is real but at the same time it's gorgeus, I hope this artist draws Awoken Horus.

The artist is Kazama Raita (http://apocrypha.cside.com/top.html) go check his work out
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2015, 01:12:17 PM
Landed 21 +eggs yesterday from around 350 stamina's worth of alt dungeons. That included three Mechdragons (got almost nothing) and ~25 Door Of Light And Shadows (not too far under a 1/1 ratio). I wish I had just skipped the Mechdragons and done more DoLaS, but I guess the experience will be useful for ranking up during Star Vault today. I should be able to squeeze in nine Star Vault runs without any stones if I did the math right.

+++++!

The artist is Kazama Raita (http://apocrypha.cside.com/top.html) go check his work out

From just glancing at it I don't love that art in a vacuum, but I love it on Kali. Very good.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 10, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575216671503183872 Lkali uvo art

time to uvo all 5 of my lkalis and make the waifu army
( ゚∀゚)o彡゜おっぱい!おっぱい!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 10, 2015, 01:53:20 PM
TODAY IS THE DAY I HYPERMAX MY RONIA (which I should have done ages ago, but I'm supremely lazy about farming plus eggs)

15 HP, 17 ATK, 6 RCV.  How hard could it be? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 10, 2015, 02:04:40 PM
im hype for uevo kali

very hype
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 10, 2015, 02:05:20 PM
https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/575264778794336257

Awoken Venus tweak(s) incoming due to complaints

( ゚∀゚)o彡゜おっぱい!おっぱい!

お尻いいよ!

im hype for uevo kali

very hype

you and me both
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 10, 2015, 02:08:17 PM
I liked awoken venus as-is.  Wonder what the complaints are.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 10, 2015, 02:13:45 PM
Probably her active. It's not the most useful thing for a light row sub (some kind of orb change would be a lot better)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
I guess, but Venus is not an orbchanger by trade, she's a Venus. I loved her active. It's mechanically cool and seems like it might be a triple-row facilitator in some situations. Hard to sub her in just for that, but with her awakenings she seemed worth it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 10, 2015, 02:44:47 PM
Is it bad the best thing I like about Kali's ult art is that her hair is down?

Also random thing I found, an infographic of JP Player ranks:

(http://i.imgur.com/R89KPAQ.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 10, 2015, 02:49:46 PM
I guess, but Venus is not an orbchanger by trade, she's a Venus. I loved her active. It's mechanically cool and seems like it might be a triple-row facilitator in some situations. Hard to sub her in just for that, but with her awakenings she seemed worth it.

And that's the thing. People slot Awoken Venus in for her stats and her awakenings, but most of the complaints are coming from Japanese players who find CTW-only spells trash-tier useless or a waste of an active slot. So people probably want another side-effect on top of the CTW, like how Puppeteer got 4-turn bind clear on top of his 7sec CTW. Something like either Sonia-Gran or Awoken Hades might be a compromise.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 10, 2015, 03:13:28 PM
re: ctw if you're fast enough, ctw is a wasted active slot for you. It's pretty hard to get to this point, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
I hope ultimate Kali's cost doesn't go up too much. Several of my Kali teams are mostrously expensive already. Then again we won't get  her here for a long time anyway, so I'll have time to power-rank if I have to.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 10, 2015, 03:48:41 PM
Wouldn't it be cool if they made CTW also scale off of however many plus orb movement awakes you have?

(Which would be a very direct Yomi buff but who cares :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 10, 2015, 03:59:11 PM
Wouldn't it be cool if they made CTW also scale off of however many plus orb movement awakes you have?

(Which would be a very direct Yomi buff but who cares :V)
This would be pretty significant.

Cause right now 6 sec CTWs can be totally useless if you time+ stack


Or just change them all to be like Hades' active
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 10, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
15 HP, 17 ATK, 6 RCV.  How hard could it be? :V

Too hard, apparently.

Just need two more atk eggs ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 10, 2015, 05:15:51 PM
So freaking close
(http://i.imgur.com/21rj7ty.jpg) (http://imgur.com/21rj7ty)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 10, 2015, 05:24:14 PM
Is it bad the best thing I like about Kali's ult art is that her hair is down?

Also random thing I found, an infographic of JP Player ranks:

(http://i.imgur.com/R89KPAQ.png)

I've been told that the chart doesn't take in to account people who've been inactive for more than 2 months and that with the rise of mechdragon rush, a lot of those rank 300s have risen in rank.


Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 10, 2015, 05:33:28 PM
Holy freaking gorgeous LKali ult *_*

And I'm cool with Venus upgrade. I need a reason to use her over awoken Parvati :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 10, 2015, 08:05:26 PM
So I did something no one expected me to do and dropped two stones on the vault, got 19 runs and 30 plus eggs. Is this a good amount? I have no idea what the average looks like.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 10, 2015, 08:09:07 PM
Average is 1.7 +eggs per run, so you're a bit under par


Also now I want Healer Isis even more so she can get in on some of dat hot kali action BV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2015, 08:27:28 PM
So I did something no one expected me to do and dropped two stones on the vault, got 19 runs and 30 plus eggs. Is this a good amount? I have no idea what the average looks like.

At this rate my numbers are just wrong to make dropping stones really work. I might do it anyway though. Wish I knew what the next godfest was going to be and when. Not that nineteen pulls is that different from twenty, it's just a symmetry thing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 10, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
Four Ruins of the Star Vault runs, 3 plus eggs - only one of which is an RCV egg, which is what I need.

I think I just discovered why my Horus isn't +297'ed yet. My plus egg luck is shit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 10, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575216671503183872 Lkali uvo art

time to uvo all 5 of my lkalis and make the waifu army

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/565/399/9c0.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2015, 10:46:41 PM
The commandercool star vault numbers are in.

15 runs.
1 stone.
24 +eggs.

That's a 1.6 ratio, just under average, but I'm not complaining by any means. Not a single run out of fifteen with no drops, that's great. Gabe is +270, and I started Sun Quan in the RCV department. If this dungeon was up longer I'd drop a few stones and finish maxing out Gabe, but it isn't. Started to really slow down when my Athena friends started to dry up.

Four Ruins of the Star Vault runs, 3 plus eggs - only one of which is an RCV egg, which is what I need.

I think I just discovered why my Horus isn't +297'ed yet. My plus egg luck is shit.

That sucks. :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 10, 2015, 11:22:17 PM
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/565/399/9c0.jpg)
i see what you did there
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 11, 2015, 12:34:10 AM
...
...
...darnit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 11, 2015, 01:43:33 AM
I hope ultimate Kali's cost doesn't go up too much. Several of my Kali teams are mostrously expensive already. Then again we won't get  her here for a long time anyway, so I'll have time to power-rank if I have to.

Doesn't LKali cost only 50 though? So the ultimate will probably cost 60. I mean, it's like LMeta.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/565/399/9c0.jpg)

> Well played!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 01:59:22 AM
Doesn't LKali cost only 50 though? So the ultimate will probably cost 60. I mean, it's like LMeta.

Hmm, fair enough. So that makes Kali/Kali/Izanami/Izanami/Sun Quan/Kali a 275 point team with ultimate Kalis. Based on precedent Izanami will go from 60 to 70, so when her uvo comes out it jumps up to 295. Right now my maximum team cost is 282, so I'd need to go up 26 ranks to rank 293 to run that team. But I won't need to run it for a long time since (ultimate) Izanami needs to come out, be released here, and get skillup material. Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 11, 2015, 02:25:48 AM
Hmm, fair enough. So that makes Kali/Kali/Izanami/Izanami/Sun Quan/Kali a 275 point team with ultimate Kalis. Based on precedent Izanami will go from 60 to 70, so when her uvo comes out it jumps up to 295. Right now my maximum team cost is 282, so I'd need to go up 26 ranks to rank 293 to run that team. But I won't need to run it for a long time since (ultimate) Izanami needs to come out, be released here, and get skillup material. Sounds good to me.

DIzanami's skill up material is Dark Bowl Dragon so that's coming pretty soon :getdown:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 04:38:08 AM
I just looked at the dungeon the black bowl dragons drops from and noticed that there are no water orbs. Seriously? That makes maxing Izanami fifty times more difficult than it needs to be for me. I swear I did the math on this and this dungeon had to have water for them all to be even. I guess at this point my only chance is to make a lot of Meimei friends and take advantage of the fact that the dungeon is her colors. But shit, this just got way harder than it has a right to I was expecting it to. Fuck me I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 11, 2015, 06:57:25 AM
I just looked at the dungeon the black bowl dragons drops from and noticed that there are no water orbs. Seriously? That makes maxing Izanami fifty times more difficult than it needs to be for me. I swear I did the math on this and this dungeon had to have water for them all to be even. I guess at this point my only chance is to make a lot of Meimei friends and take advantage of the fact that the dungeon is her colors. But shit, this just got way harder than it has a right to I was expecting it to. Fuck me I guess.

U_U Yeah I just cleared it brainlessly with a Bastet team. Sorry D:

EDIT:

New GodFes Exclusives.

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575555950007943168 Zuoh
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575557749075021824 Illum
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575562991267115008 Gadius

Let me point out that Gadius has the same style of activation as Juggler - x6 ATK for 2 heart matches. But he has 2 red rows, while Juggler has none. :getdown:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2015, 08:01:03 AM
Fuck me I guess.

Not quite - Athena to the rescue! She could down Happo pretty quickly even if I mess up my GZL burst - just gotta combo high.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on March 11, 2015, 08:02:41 AM
Everyone gets a full board change!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 11, 2015, 10:31:34 AM
black bowl dragon seems easy enough, i hope.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 11, 2015, 10:45:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Pprk_pad/status/575528951499636737

Paprika discovered the monster for 5 heart orbs connected.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on March 11, 2015, 11:34:49 AM
EXP update for NA. Time to feed them snowglobes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 11, 2015, 12:27:48 PM
Quote
You got a bonus for 700 days consecutive log-ins!

10 Magic Stone(s) acquired.

o/

Edit: I also finally beat legendary earth.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 01:10:09 PM
Not quite - Athena to the rescue! She could down Happo pretty quickly even if I mess up my GZL burst - just gotta combo high.

Really? Wow, fair enough. I never would've thought she could handle five million HP straight up, even with favorable colors. I guess she can tank at least one hit though if you don't one-shot, possibly several if you get a lot of hearts which you should. What do you mean by "combo high" though? I think I'm still bad at prongs and seven-stars (although this would be a good place to practice) and I need to clear this like 80+ times, so I need to have something exceedingly consistent.

Edit: Oh yeah, ultimate Sun Quan get. I can feel the added power already. The time extend has really noticeably boosted my combo numbers, and the extra row hits like a truck. I was pretty surprised the first time that green sub-element hit the Siegfried in Athena when I wasn't expecting to hurt him though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2015, 02:07:00 PM
Really? Wow, fair enough. I never would've thought she could handle five million HP straight up, even with favorable colors. I guess she can tank at least one hit though if you don't one-shot, possibly several if you get a lot of hearts which you should. What do you mean by "combo high" though? I think I'm still bad at prongs and seven-stars (although this would be a good place to practice) and I need to clear this like 80+ times, so I need to have something exceedingly consistent.

7star was not used. I just popped GZL and Athena and tried to fight normally. I somehow managed a 3 combo on tricolor and did less than 30% of the dude's health, so he used Lunch Service. I got a lucky 13 normal combo which did the entire remaining 70%, no enhances or anything. You basically have automatic-7star for the entire dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 11, 2015, 02:08:04 PM
My Athena team can oneshot Satan, so I think she can handle a 5 mil dark enemy just fine :p
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
Wtf I thought the juggler creep was not supposed to be real

thanks gungho
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2015, 02:17:20 PM
Also reminder that the food dragons have resist shields so you'll be doing normal damage - but again this shouldn't matter, just git gud
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 11, 2015, 02:23:07 PM
Everyone gets a full board change!

Poor Cauchemar. He got rekt.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 11, 2015, 02:28:02 PM
Man I just realized that I never bothered to finish up Starlight Sanctuary whaaaaa  ??? ??? ??? ???
I'm at 143 stamina and want to crank out my final Sun Quan skillup before they switch the coin dungeons but I doubt I can level up to a cool 150 before it goes away I am good at timing even if I grind out KotG :(

Wtf I thought the juggler creep was not supposed to be real

thanks gungho
(http://img-s3-01.mytextgraphics.com/sparklee/2015/03/04/bc7feaec8af59def7fccbd7dd15e4420.gif) (http://www.sparklee.com)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 02:55:50 PM
7star was not used. I just popped GZL and Athena and tried to fight normally. I somehow managed a 3 combo on tricolor and did less than 30% of the dude's health, so he used Lunch Service. I got a lucky 13 normal combo which did the entire remaining 70%, no enhances or anything. You basically have automatic-7star for the entire dungeon.

Cool. I'm only now, well over 200 days in, figuring out Gabriel's damage. So I have only a faint understanding of what Athena can and can't do. None of my orbchangers matter in this dungeon though, so I've gotta get new subs. Maybe Athena/Odin/GZL/Ra/Izanami/Athena?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 11, 2015, 03:52:13 PM
Man I just realized that I never bothered to finish up Starlight Sanctuary whaaaaa  ??? ??? ??? ???
I'm at 143 stamina and want to crank out my final Sun Quan skillup before they switch the coin dungeons but I doubt I can level up to a cool 150 before it goes away I am good at timing even if I grind out KotG :(
(http://img-s3-01.mytextgraphics.com/sparklee/2015/03/04/bc7feaec8af59def7fccbd7dd15e4420.gif) (http://www.sparklee.com)

Well, I've heard that Gungho likes to use the collab stuff to experiment with things before they put them in the egg machine. It wouldn't surprise me if they were even stronger and they toned them down in light of juggler.  Personally, I'm in the wait in see stage right now. It sounds like there's going to be a lot of changes down the road. They make  great subs. I just wish instead of red and black, green,  blue got stuff. Light got Ilum, he seems pretty cool. Typhon should have been main blue and Zuo main green, even if he takes a giant dump on Cauchemar.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 11, 2015, 04:55:32 PM
They've been pushing light devil pretty hard lately.  I have to admit, I'm pretty interested.

Edit: Ooh, angels 2.0 got translated.  Come to me, godfest!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 05:05:15 PM
Hmm so these new ults juggler like cards have me thinking about what they're going to do for awoken Egyptians

Biggest problem is what the hell are they going to do that doesn't either make them inferior to an existing god or contribute to further creep?


Like increases HP/RCV can't be done without making Egypt 2.0 terrible in comparison. Unless the increase is really minor which would suck.

For increasing just HP or RCV a larger amount, well say Isis got 1.5x to RCV, but then she'd still be a worse Lakshimi cause she now can hit up to 5x just by matching 5 heart orbs while Isis has x4.5 for matching literally every type of orb wtf??? And if it increases HP then she'd still be considered a worse XQ despite being a goddamn awoken ult.

Or you could increase their combo damage, but how? Are you going to make even harder activation conditions than match all atts? But now that Juggler and Juggler-lites exist why should I run leaders that have such difficult activation conditions when I can get even more damage with an easier activation condition, which is also activated for free with an amazing active, and further powered up by amazing awakenings. Oh yea not to mention you have 0 sub restrictions as well while Horus/Isis/Ra are forced to build rainbow.

Like holy fucking shit Gadius might be even STRONGER than Juggler because he has TWO FIRE ROWS and 6x??? PLUS If I pop Uriel then you get a full on Ronia board and you can match triple fire rows and two heart rows for absolutely disgusting damage. ON top of that he has a safe 4x for clearing mobs unlike Juggler.
Oh yeah not to mention the other dudes also have TPA and they can all hit 6x

What the hell is the tradeoff for playing Egypt 1? Less damage, less utility, terrible awakenings, terrible actives, less everything. Also harder to use for less damage like what?


Okay to be fair Juggler 2.0 kind of shits on everything right now, but basically there needs to be really big changes.

imo the best thing they can do is to fuck the meta and carve out some crazy niche for them. Like how Anubis exists in an anti-meta niche for people who are crazy good at puzzling. Maybe they can make everyone anubis/kushi-like and give them x10 upper ends that are ridiculously hard to hit, like match every att twice or something (wait that would be terrible since it would be a 12 combo for 10x damage rofl but yeah obviously gotta tweak the numbers to find a sweetspot). That way they give all the Egypt 1.0 a reason to exist in dealing obscene numbers but only if you're crazy good while everyone else just plays easy mode Juggler 2.0s.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 05:38:45 PM
Perspectivize me. How bad is this creep wave relatively? Has this happened before, or is this the creepocalypse?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 11, 2015, 05:45:50 PM
Games like this are always vulnerable to creep.  The jump just happened to be larger than normal this time due to juggler, and it looks like they're attempting to mitigate by making their newer ults stronger than they otherwise would have.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 11, 2015, 05:55:31 PM
wait what
they took what made Lakshmi good and ruined her compatibility with Noah and Mercury.

wat
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 06:01:36 PM
oh yeah rip :V

at least she deals x5, so you have a higher upper end and lower end for damage than andromeda

awakenings are still wack tho


Games like this are always vulnerable to creep.  The jump just happened to be larger than normal this time due to juggler, and it looks like they're attempting to mitigate by making their newer ults stronger than they otherwise would have.
At least with leader skill creep there's still a role for good subs. Like the Hero's leader skills are getting shit on but they still make amazing subs for said OP leaders. Same goes for any full board changer like Ronia/Tri-Chinese/Norns/Kalis, or just orb changers in general. Hell I guess Juggler leaders are technically a big buff to Sticker girls. Also with the red juggler, suddenly the Uriel that's been sitting in my box has gotten a LOT more valuable.

meanwhile egypt 1 has no such luxury because they have terrible awakenings and actives. I guess that's why they're getting awoken evos because that will change both of those things, but by how much?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2015, 06:40:36 PM
Cool. I'm only now, well over 200 days in, figuring out Gabriel's damage. So I have only a faint understanding of what Athena can and can't do. None of my orbchangers matter in this dungeon though, so I've gotta get new subs. Maybe Athena/Odin/GZL/Ra/Izanami/Athena?

I think I just padded my stats and threw in my tpa guys and ran in. Actually not too bad unless you get SEDUCED BY THE LORD'S LEEK.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 06:53:28 PM
SEDUCED BY THE LORD'S LEEK.
bring isis :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2015, 06:55:10 PM
bring isis :V

but then you get seduced by isis instead. and that's BAD END.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 11, 2015, 07:02:27 PM
http://blog-imgs-67.fc2.com/m/i/n/minpuzz/IMG_1420_result.png

Kaguya's leaked btw.
AS: cd 4 Spawn 3 green orbs
LS: When a skill is activated, Wood ATK x4.

Looking pretty nice. GREEN HEALER.
I might want one in my bastet for iuno. I think her AS could've been a little better, cd 3 or make 4 orbs instead.

But she provides NEW POSSIBILITY FOR AWOKEN BASTET.
Imagine if Bastet takes her and medjed :O
Healer/Balanced, and look at THOSE AWAKENINGS.
pls

meanwhile egypt 1 has no such luxury because they have terrible awakenings and actives. I guess that's why they're getting awoken evos because that will change both of those things, but by how much?
who are you and what have you done to the isis loving suikama

Ok jokes aside, the only comparable creep was probably when Egypts were buffed to how they were shortly after they were released 2 years ago, where previously super difficult dungeons like Zeus is being crushed by Horus's 16x. It was ok back then because the game was still shaping up, but right now it's affecting ALOT of old characters, but hey, nothing a few balance patches can't fix? It is still pretty bad for the game and they really should be more careful and not let it happen again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 11, 2015, 07:19:00 PM
>weaker ariel active

okay not entirely cool

this does mean you can just farm four of her and make a self-sustaining team :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 07:32:09 PM
Heart Kaguya. Will play.

Edit: Athena sub maybe for a green-focused build? Fast orbmaking, the right awakenings, and pretty great stats makes her an interesting option, potentially replacing an orbchanger
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 11, 2015, 07:56:28 PM
Well, with the Hidden Awakening system coming up soonish we will (probably) see some sort of way to deal with the creep, give old guys great hidden awakes and new guys shit hidden awakes, like they did for Horus and Lucifer and their "meta-breaking" friends of the past.

As for the Awoken Egyptians I guess they can do x1,25 HP and RCV + slightly higher multiplier since Athena proves us even a x1,56 multiplier makes a world of difference and it's still lower than Egypt 2.0's x1,82.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 08:01:58 PM
http://blog-imgs-67.fc2.com/m/i/n/minpuzz/IMG_1420_result.png

Kaguya's leaked btw.
AS: cd 4 Spawn 3 green orbs
LS: When a skill is activated, Wood ATK x4.

Looking pretty nice. GREEN HEALER.
I might want one in my bastet for iuno. I think her AS could've been a little better, cd 3 or make 4 orbs instead.

But she provides NEW POSSIBILITY FOR AWOKEN BASTET.
Imagine if Bastet takes her and medjed :O
Healer/Balanced, and look at THOSE AWAKENINGS.
pls
who are you and what have you done to the isis loving suikama

Ok jokes aside, the only comparable creep was probably when Egypts were buffed to how they were shortly after they were released 2 years ago, where previously super difficult dungeons like Zeus is being crushed by Horus's 16x. It was ok back then because the game was still shaping up, but right now it's affecting ALOT of old characters, but hey, nothing a few balance patches can't fix? It is still pretty bad for the game and they really should be more careful and not let it happen again.
haha yeah actually it's funny cause egypt 1 is probably the best measure of power creep in the game

first when they came out they were the power creep, with Horus completely taking a dump on all the current x9 leaders like adk and valk and saying fuck you to luci stall

then a year later power creep meant they were falling out of favor to Kirin and friends so they all got ult evos, but each ult had rather significant drawbacks and poor awakenings to prevent them from being op again

now another year later they've fallen behind again where there are leaders who can hit harder and have perfectly synergistic kits of actives and awoken skills and none of the silly directly imposed drawbacks


it's probably mostly because they were designed to be leaders and terrible subs thanks to awful active skills. So even though power creep happens, many guys like Chinese girls and Ronias won't fall out of favor because they will always be amazing subs, meanwhile egypt 1 are left in the dust
Well at least Isis is super antibind (and thus the best <3), Bastet has good subs and can pull off row or tpa teams, and Ra and Anubis still hit hard enough to clear legend+s.
Horus pretty much got the worst deal because he's so clunky with awakenings and an active that have almost no synergy and garbage RCV. Power creep hurts him more than anyone else because he isn't really good for anything other than a simple x25 activation. And once that becomes trivially easy to achieve then what good is he? He's not a good leader or sub so he's just garbage.

On the other hand I can see why gungho would be reluctant to buff these guys. Way back when you basically just had to roll a good leader and then you were good, because the best subs were usually farmable like Echidna and Hera. Now gungho gets their pockets filled when they release leaders that need specific rem subs which means you need to keep rolling and rolling to get all of the right pieces for the team. However if egypt 1 was still top tier viable then there would be no reason to roll for these other teams. Like 2/4/2 teams existed back then but no one wanted to touch them because they needed a lot of rem subs for not that much power, even though they were fully capable of taking out any descend. So gungho is better off if egypt 1 is kept as low tier. Notice how all the newer combo gods also have specific elemental synergy, like egypt 2.0 only boosts base stats for one color, and Devil bastet was buffed so that she had stronger synergy with green types, all of which needs a lot of rem subs.

Which is why I suspect that egypt 1s will get additional main color synergy. If they do though, then in the case of Isis and Horus it should be really strong, otherwise there's no point in using them over another leader who can hit almost as hard but is not restricted to rainbow and thus can use more powerful board changing subs.
Like if Isis had an additional 1.5x for water types, then she deals 6.75x for matching all orbs, which sounds really strong but it should actually be okay because 1. you're forced to build water rainbow so your subs are very limited. Muse/Orochi/Bodin is pretty much your optimal team so you have to roll a lot to get them which is obviously good for gungho. And 2. you don't get access to full board changers so your burst is still worse than full board change combos or jugglerfriends.
And same deal for Horus who deals a whooping 7.5x but needs to have specific subs like Nim/Rodin/Set (if ult Set is attacker which it likely should be) but again lacks really good board changing options as a result. Actually wait there's Kali since she's half fire.
Okay maybe 1.5x is a bit too much but if it's too little then it's still super meh

Alternatively they might make them into subs but that would take some really big changes to their actives and probably a shitton of TPAs on top of that :V


Also Kaguya looks nice, but I really wish there was a physical water version of her. A farmable low cooldown water orb spawn with those awakenings would be fucking amazing for noniap Isis.
But no Bastet gets all the fun stuff again :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2015, 08:23:01 PM
Well, with the Hidden Awakening system coming up soonish we will (probably) see some sort of way to deal with the creep, give old guys great hidden awakes and new guys shit hidden awakes, like they did for Horus and Lucifer and their "meta-breaking" friends of the past.

Assuming there are still competent people left of the dev team, this is also my assumption as to why Lakshmi didn't get her awakenings touched at all. We have no idea what bustedness she hides under the new system. Needless to say at this point the reveal better blow the entire playerbase away if this is what they're basing these unexplainably strong new guys on, because right now there's been a lot of uproar about their most recent releases since after Angels2.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 11, 2015, 08:24:54 PM
Assuming there are still competent people left of the dev team,

this assumes there were any in the first place
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
>weaker ariel active

okay not entirely cool

this does mean you can just farm four of her and make a self-sustaining team :v
...I think this team is actually legit? You basically have 4x 100% of the time with pretty much no drawbacks and then your last two subs are for bursting bosses. Plus the fact that you spawn 3 green orbs means you just need at least 1 other green orb on board for constant TPAs. I guess they didn't make it 4 cause they didn't want a farmable monster without some drawback.

Man even 4x is considered trivial now huh. powercreep.gif

On the other hand her dungeon is probably stupidly hard and you do need to max skill 4 of her lol (but someone will still do it of course) Alternatively use max skilled Osiris for the guaranteed TPA


also yomitama (http://i.imgur.com/WPvD1DG.jpg)
it's active skill is better than the actual yomi's wat
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 11, 2015, 08:32:34 PM
Also Kaguya looks nice, but I really wish there was a physical water version of her. A farmable low cooldown water orb spawn with those awakenings would be fucking amazing for noniap Isis.
But no Bastet gets all the fun stuff again :<

Wahahahaha :V
10 skillups though. Gonna have to take some time to work on that.
And the dungeon might be annoying to beat. At least no awakenings aren't that devastating to Bastet. Wadatsumi wasn't a problem for her so hopefully this won't too.

Horus was kinda the symbol of PAD in the early days, if anything can raise the morale of PAD, it'd probably be a well-made Awoken Horus. There's many old players out there with hyper horuses sitting in their box.

I think Egypt 1.0s might go with the newer trend of buffs to types like angels 2.0s and HnK stuff, which would make them harder to make teams for than egypts 2.0 but can be stronger.
Imagine Bastet getting Balanced type hp x1.35, Healer type rcv x1.35, that'd be fun :V
but tbh, I'd settle for just a better active since green has liu bei for burst and the most number of damage reduction already so no hp boosts aren't the end of the world for me I guess. A good active for bastet would be fun because she has potential to make a Bastet system kind of thing if she gets a good effect.

What if they made awoken bastet AS 2cd with 1 turn full-attack + some minor effect so she becomes Kaguya best subs. :V lawl

Assuming there are still competent people left of the dev team, this is also my assumption as to why Lakshmi didn't get her awakenings touched at all. We have no idea what bustedness she hides under the new system. Needless to say at this point the reveal better blow the entire playerbase away if this is what they're basing these unexplainably strong new guys on, because right now there's been a lot of uproar about their most recent releases since after Angels2.

I don't have a Lakshmi but I've been theorycrafting a team with my box if I got her.
Lakshmi/ I&I,Andro,Andro, (Baggi OR Gabriel) / Lakshmi

assuming two hypers on the team, it'd have around 21k hp, 9 rows awakenings.
1 row+5c total would deal almost 2mil. 2 rows + 4c total + I&I active would deal over 6mil easily.
Lots of heart maker and ridiculous base recovery (6k~7k with the leader skill boost), and technically 30% increase in HP/RCV if I use BaggiNeko.
Doesn't sound bad AT ALL, but this is mostly the subs being good rather than Lakshmi herself being OP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 11, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
...I think this team is actually legit? You basically have 4x 100% of the time with pretty much no drawbacks and then your last two subs are for bursting bosses. Plus the fact that you spawn 3 green orbs means you just need at least 1 other green orb on board for constant TPAs. I guess they didn't make it 4 cause they didn't want a farmable monster without some drawback.

Man even 4x is considered trivial now huh. powercreep.gif

four kaguya is frankly too many tbh

her active ensures you're always attacking, but not always tpaing, and yes your last two cards have to pull a LOT of weight

it will most likely lack any kind of real support

if you use dunk bei and dunk zhuge though you could do a lot of damage still

but your hp will suck and don't even talk to me about any kind of real support
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 08:47:29 PM
oh yeah type buffs is a thing

that would actually make more sense in that it makes it easier to build rainbow that way

although horus' role in that respect is already kind of taken up by kenshiro so it will be kind of hard to pull that off without either being underwhelming or making Ken worse in comparison (well he could always get an ult)

four kaguya is frankly too many tbh

her active ensures you're always attacking, but not always tpaing, and yes your last two cards have to pull a LOT of weight

it will most likely lack any kind of real support

if you use dunk bei and dunk zhuge though you could do a lot of damage still

but your hp will suck and don't even talk to me about any kind of real support
Osiris can ensure TPAs

but yeah is probably also like sonia grand where you need a stronger team in the first place just to get her or at least to be able to consistently farm her


also now that we got kaguya where's mokou


edit: oh wait on the other hand if you throw some stones to get her and have two of those 2 cd green plushies then she might actually be legit for early game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 09:04:30 PM
Where's Mokou? Well she's right here (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1210). Ha ha...

:(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
so um

(http://i.imgur.com/AlCGsr2.png)

I apparently do really questionable things when i'm sick
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 10:20:12 PM
Christ.

That's all I got.

Christ.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 11, 2015, 10:44:45 PM
http://pad.skyozora.com/stage/%E3%81%8B%E3%81%90%E3%82%84%E5%A7%AB%E9%99%8D%E8%87%A8%EF%BC%81/%E6%9C%88%E5%85%89%E5%A7%AB%20%E8%B6%85%E5%9C%B0%E7%8D%84%E7%B4%9A

Some uncomfirmed leaks of Kaguya Myth. Her attack names are named after the five treasures which I'm sure we're all heard of thanks to touhou :V
Kaguya doesn't die above 75% hp, and recovers to full when she survives by 1 hp, but apparently she doesn't use shield so you can just delay her I guess.
Devil binds under 75% hp. rip bastet. This is why I don't want bastet to even get near that devil type for awoken uevo. pls

YomiTama:
"Change the..."
"WORLD TAMAaa!!"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2015, 10:55:43 PM
arg i cant stop thinking about what awoken isis will be

someone send help ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2015, 11:03:19 PM
arg i cant stop thinking about what awoken isis will be

someone send help ;_;

How about this: Same leader skill, but also extends move time. Like HerZeu. That's... Something. It would make up for her lack of fingers and would use design space that doesn't really step on anyone's toes. Not sure how strong it would be, but it's something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 12, 2015, 12:32:23 AM
arg i cant stop thinking about what awoken isis will be

someone send help ;_;

Same here.
I'm also afraid to commit +eggs on anyone because bastet uevo may drastically change the way teams are built. (My G/L and G/D bastet teams looked completely different)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2015, 12:36:34 AM
Same here.
I'm also afraid to commit +eggs on anyone because bastet uevo may drastically change the way teams are built. (My G/L and G/D bastet teams looked completely different)

That's why you gotta pick one mediocre monster to commit to and just dig in. :D And cross your fingers that jugglecreep 2015 doesn't mean all descends from now on will have 30 million health.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 12:37:57 AM
Cleared Threedia Challenge mode

almost cleared Defour Challenge mode BUT MY FINGER SLIPPED ON THE FINAL COMBO AND I HEALED HIM BACK TO FULL FUCK

ronia op
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 12, 2015, 12:57:32 AM
arg i cant stop thinking about what awoken isis will be

someone send help ;_;

Ditto, but for horus.

;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 01:05:32 AM
i just thought of something hilarious for Isis' active

so outside of kalis, Isis and Ra and to a certain extent Horus lack a good fullboard orb changer that works well with them, since every other fullboard change removes colors

this sucks because outside of damage potential, they also clear crap on the board like poison and jammers which is essential for hitting high combos

but there's another way to get a 'fullboard' change without stepping into kali territory...

what if Isis' active was changed to remove 2 turns of bind + ORB REFRESH :V

since she's an awoken ult, it's okay if her active completely shits on hobgoblin (just like how awoken venus' active is just a straight up better version of chrono turtle's)

so basically every 3 turns you get to mullgan your board, which is something that is basically ONLY good for combo leaders but also UNIVERSALLY good for them

she would basically become the queen of anti orbtroll, with just 3 skill boosts your Kirin or Ra or whatever gets a free board mulligan at the start of any dungeon to help avoid those dreaded orbtrolls

it's useful and yet not ridiculously op (well actually it might be in practice lol)


alternatively Horus could get this, or Ra.

It would probably be most useful on Ra since he gets screwed over hardest by those tricky orb changing dungeons
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 12, 2015, 01:31:23 AM
so um

(http://i.imgur.com/AlCGsr2.png)

I apparently do really questionable things when i'm sick

I love it. 10/10. Should be an ult.

orb refresh stuff

The biggest thing that makes me wonder about that, is what about those times you don't need the refresh but you really want the other parts of the skill. Those things are pretty unreliable. It does make me wonder though, what if they started throwing actives on to leader skills? Something like "if you get x combos convert x orbs to x at the end of the turn when they do autoheals and stuff, or maybe" when you  do x, get an orb refresh when combo count is done."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 01:38:22 AM
I love it. 10/10. Should be an ult.

The biggest thing that makes me wonder about that, is what about those times you don't need the refresh but you really want the other parts of the skill. Those things are pretty unreliable. It does make me wonder though, what if they started throwing actives on to leader skills? Something like "if you get x combos convert x orbs to x at the end of the turn when they do autoheals and stuff, or maybe" when you  do x, get an orb refresh when combo count is done."
then you'd get infinite combos in tricolor :V

also it would make sense if they gave it to Ra since his little laser is pretty much useless anyways, there are very few times that you actually need it, and if you're running dual Ra you have two anyways

although that leads to the question, what happens if you kill someone and orb refresh at the same time? who will the orb refresh combo hurt if you get skyfalls? :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2015, 01:42:09 AM
Hmm... So one possible confluence of design space that hasn't been tapped (to my knowledge, I don't follow non-English collabs or anything), abilities that make sense for an Egyptian to have, and things that are associated with Egyptians (at least 2.0) is a leader skill that cares about enhanced orbs. Maybe if you clear some number of enhanced orbs (6? 8? 10?) you get some kind of additional bonus with your combo (Extra x.2 attack? Heal some amount? Small gravity before or after your damage? Unique effects like stacking poison?). Maybe that's not interactive enough to really work, but you can build around it and it technically could "work" within the game rules I think. Might be too complicated or wordy to fit on a card.

"ATK x3 when attacking with 3 of following orb types: Fire, Water, Wood, Light, Dark & Heart. ATK x0.5 for each additional orb type, up to ATK x4.5 for all 6 matches. 20% all damage reduction for one turn when matching 8 or more enhanced orbs." Or something.

The biggest thing that makes me wonder about that, is what about those times you don't need the refresh but you really want the other parts of the skill. Those things are pretty unreliable. It does make me wonder though, what if they started throwing actives on to leader skills? Something like "if you get x combos convert x orbs to x at the end of the turn when they do autoheals and stuff, or maybe" when you  do x, get an orb refresh when combo count is done."

Seems plausible, although that one time when you skyfall into a perfect board for next turn and it gets refreshed away... :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 01:50:29 AM
OK I know you guys might be looking at Gadius and going zomg he has 2 rows.

But Juggler with 4x Pandora subs = 8 dark rows
Gadius with any combination of Yamato Takeru / Uriel subs = 8 red rows

They are actually equal in terms of row count. Juggler is still better cause he has x7 over x6. But, Gadius has the benefit of having about 6x more RCV, he can at least do x4????? with one heart match. Anyway Gadius (some people will romanize it Godius which I won't argue against either because there is a Japanese MMO called Godius which uses the same katakana) is pretty much better than the others at a first glance. Problem with Illum and Zuoh is that their x6 requires 4 combo of 2+2, which is pretty difficult to acquire at times without some orb manipulations or sick orb management. If you are gonna use Illum's L/R sonia active you are gonna want to pray that you can do the 3+3 rows or something very close to it. Zuoh is just not that great due to awakenings, at least Illum has Finger.

As for Typhon, we don't have a clue about the lower bound of the ATK multiplier and we don't know as of now how many hearts could be eliminated in order to get x6.

Regarding Kaguya-hime, you can't do Osiris System unlike using GZL leads, because you won't have enough Skill Boosts to have Osiris up on turn 1, since Osiris himself don't have Skill Boost.

>weaker ariel active

okay not entirely cool

Well, honestly, same thing was thrown around with Grimoire Descend compared to their REM counterparts Ass Nova and Goetia (2 < 3) but eventually people forgot about it due to the Enhance aspect. As for Kaguya-hime, yeah, this is actually a problem because they both have the same max skilled CD. Though Ariel can't be skilled up without Pii at least. Anyway, Kaguya-hime should have had CD 3 at max level. That would be OK.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:37:28 AM
Gadius also still does unconditional damage though, which means you can team him up with whoever the fuck you want just like juggler

And his rarity is only equal to Ronia

He's is the new bicycle for sure, everyone is going to use him even moreso than Ronia


Like seriously if he was fire damage only then he'd be strong but not universally good

But because he's unconditional he's literally Juggler 2.0

Put a bunch of goblins on your team and go kill Legend+ no problem
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 02:38:02 AM
OK I know you guys might be looking at Gadius and going zomg he has 2 rows.

But Juggler with 4x Pandora subs = 8 dark rows
Gadius with any combination of Yamato Takeru / Uriel subs = 8 red rows

They are actually equal in terms of row count. Juggler is still better cause he has x7 over x6. But, Gadius has the benefit of having about 6x more RCV, he can at least do x4????? with one heart match.

more damage = / = better

juggler compared to gadius is not in his favor outside of damage tbh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:40:53 AM
Seriously this guy is BETTER THAN JUGGLER because of his consistency

x4 for one heart match is trivial and good enough for cleaning mobs

x36 is not x49 but it's still good enough, I mean even now technically x5 is good enough to clear Legend+s
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 12, 2015, 02:42:07 AM
more damage = / = better

juggler compared to gadius is not in his favor outside of damage tbh

Juggler still have that not bindable thing going. welp.
And I agree, does moar damage even matter when these guys pretty much ohkos everything with 1~2 row.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:43:14 AM
This guy does have bind clear though

and you can just pair him with Wee Jas or something for the antibind+YOU GET HEARTS TOO FOR DAMAGE OH BOY THIS IS BALANCED


Like the more I look at this guy the more I realize he's fucking ridiculous

At least new descends are being designed to be anti juggler though heh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 12, 2015, 02:47:45 AM
I'll also make the argument that Juggler 2.0 has access to Rodin and his row shenanigans. Plus, he has echidna, and everyone loves echidna.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:49:39 AM
It would actually be pretty fucking funny if gungho makes every dungeon from now on have anti burst armor

So basically if your damage is too high you actually CANT WIN
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 02:53:47 AM
I'll also make the argument that Juggler 2.0 has access to Rodin and his row shenanigans. Plus, he has echidna, and everyone loves echidna.

Typhon is Echidna's actual hasubando though.

juggler compared to gadius is not in his favor outside of damage tbh

True. Gadius is also more readily available because unlike Juggler he is ~*~godfes exclusive~*~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 03:00:55 AM
Typhon is Echidna's actual hasubando though.

True. Gadius is also more readily available because unlike Juggler he is ~*~godfes exclusive~*~

Yeahp, he'll also be more likely to get an easy skill up too :v

So in short, I'm saving all my stones for him now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 03:21:44 AM
Yeahp, he'll also be more likely to get an easy skill up too :v
Famous last words :V

Especially if his skill ups is like the Odin's where you have to farm a really hard 99 stam dungeon for a 1/3 chance of getting them
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 12, 2015, 03:27:42 AM
It would actually be pretty fucking funny if gungho makes every dungeon from now on have anti burst armor

So basically if your damage is too high you actually CANT WIN

Gran, Z&H, and if the leak is to be believed, Kaguya all have the can't kill them in one hit above X% hp ability.
So yea, already happening.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 03:33:30 AM
Gadius doesn't actually have too much of a problem with them though since he can always just go x4 mini burst

Goddamn Juggler 2.0


Well his HP does kind of suck though so that's one thing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 03:39:35 AM
Well his HP does kind of suck though so that's one thing

Juggler's HP is worse. :v At least his RCV is freaking high.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 03:47:26 AM
I'm just gonna call him Juggler 2.0 from now on cause he just seems to be a better Juggler in every practical way
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 04:19:14 AM
I'm just gonna call him Juggler 2.0 from now on cause he just seems to be a better Juggler in every practical way

the whales who spent thousands to get juggler must be qq'ing now :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 04:35:59 AM
Gadius doesn't actually have too much of a problem with them though since he can always just go x4 mini burst

Goddamn Juggler 2.0


Well his HP does kind of suck though so that's one thing

His stats are his biggest weakpoint.

And also one of his greatest strength because how many red monsters have -700 rcv-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 04:56:11 AM
His stats are his biggest weakpoint.

And also one of his greatest strength because how many red monsters have -700 rcv-

That Healer subtyping doe.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 05:24:02 AM
That Healer subtyping doe.

I mean, red healer has a few already strong cards too so if a red healer lead happens...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 05:46:32 AM
I mean, red healer has a few already strong cards too so if a red healer lead happens...

RIP Light healers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 12, 2015, 06:18:58 AM
inb4 dark healers become stronger than light healers by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 06:51:04 AM
inb4 dark healers become stronger than light healers by the end of the year.

that would be so terrible don't even joke about that
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 07:41:17 AM
that would be so terrible don't even joke about that

I think you mean it would be so HYPE
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 08:09:51 AM
I think you mean it would be so HYPE

Dark favoritism OP

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575948493761572864 LKali uvo stats

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/150312_sinka_ryofu.html summary of changes to go live this Saturday
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 12:19:48 PM
Dark favoritism OP

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575948493761572864 LKali uvo stats

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/150312_sinka_ryofu.html summary of changes to go live this Saturday

by the way lkali's leader skill changed for the non-sharp eyed

she now goes to x6 when hitting six combo and colors

rest in pieces kirin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 12, 2015, 12:37:13 PM
Kirin is still missing a secondary uevo.  Maybe they'll buff her?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2015, 12:54:00 PM
So Kali gains:
-250 HP
-50 attack
-30 recovery
-a skillboost
-A leader skill buff that is slightly unclear to me. Is it 6x when reaching six combos or more and also fulfilling the conditions for her x5 activation? I think it is. If so, amazing.
-10 cost

All this for the cost of a gold keeper, a rainbow keeper, red and white dubs, and a red jewel.

That extra skillboost is killer. It makes me much less reluctant to sub in Izanami(s), since a triple-Kali team now just needs one more skillboost (like from say, Sun Quan :D) to be able to activate both Kali and Izanami on turn one. Dirty. And the x6 attack... Obviously, yeah.

Incidentally, almost all of my IRL PAD friends now main Shiva, which makes me want to figure out some kind of Kali/Shiva team for thematic purposes. It seems like a waste of time, but it would be cool. Some kind of crazy rainbow red rows team in the vein of red/red Horus. Probably way too stupid and high-execution to ever bother with, but it would be cool.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on March 12, 2015, 12:57:45 PM
6x is the new base line it looks.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 01:09:33 PM
Kirin is still missing a secondary uevo.  Maybe they'll buff her?

She's not getting a second UEVO.

Whether they'll buff the other three four color gods is unknown at this point though and I feel they'll justify Kali due to her being a godfes-only before doing that.

They really shot that group in the foot though, kind of like when they made G/D bastet.

So Kali gains:
-250 HP
-50 attack
-30 recovery
-a skillboost
-A leader skill buff that is slightly unclear to me. Is it 6x when reaching six combos or more and also fulfilling the conditions for her x5 activation? I think it is. If so, amazing.
-10 cost

Basically it's a six combo attack boost similar to ronia's skill.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 12, 2015, 01:20:24 PM
Also, in case nobody noticed from the bottom of that list, Awoken Venus's new active skill also includes a light orb enhance.

[Element] Orb Enhance seems to be the new "add weak thing to buff this ability" thing. Kinda like how "deal really weak and complete irrelevant damage" was added to the slimes and Izanagi to "buff" their abilities.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 01:23:14 PM
Yeah. Basically Awoken Venus just became light's FA Luci.

rip thor(?)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 12, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
Kinda like how "deal really weak and complete irrelevant damage" was added to the slimes and Izanagi to "buff" their abilities.

They didn't expect that damage to do anything on its own.

It's a workaround; basically, let's say you had two turns left on Loki's 1.5x dark boost.  Prior to having the extra damage tacked on, you wouldn't be able to use King Baddie's 3x devil boost until Loki's boost wore off.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 12, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Oh, huh, so that's why it was tacked on?

I stand corrected then, it's one hell of a QoL buff in that case.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2015, 01:50:43 PM
I just cleared Zeus Vulcan for the first time, and when I noticed what time it is I realized I'm an hour late for work. Fuck you Zeuuuuuuuus!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 12, 2015, 02:00:15 PM
I just cleared Zeus Vulcan for the first time, and when I noticed what time it is I realized I'm an hour late for work. Fuck you Zeuuuuuuuus!

I also did this today.

For some reason I thought this was going to be harder than it was.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:05:44 PM
Zeus Vulcan 0 stoned

Yep this dungeon is super easy. Everything hits like a paper towel even at low HP.

How some people think this is a top level descend is beyond me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 12, 2015, 02:10:21 PM
Oh snap really?  Maybe I'll give it a shot once I regenerate from blowing all my stamina to not get Dragon Flowers to evo tamadras today

**will probably still fail because she is bad at this game**
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 02:21:14 PM
Zeus Vulcan 0 stoned

Yep this dungeon is super easy. Everything hits like a paper towel even at low HP.

How some people think this is a top level descend is beyond me.

??? What team did you use? This descend looks hard as hell to me tbh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 12, 2015, 02:33:39 PM
I wouldn't quite say it's easy. The gravity you deal with right before Artemis cuts down your HP just before the hardest portion of the dungeon, dealing with Artemis, Hera-Ur and Ares.

But then again you use Isis with her uber RCV and bindproofing so ???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2015, 02:35:55 PM
What would be the GTFO floors in any other dungeon (Fafnir and Siegfried) are chumptastic.

Artemis' bindspam and blue resistance is obnoxious, but ultimately the dungeon just doesn't have enough anti-blue to offset the weakness. And Zeus is weak, his shield is weak, and he can be statused. And so on. Bring a blue team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
Isis, Nut, Bubblie, Echidna, Grape, Isis

Yeah it's mostly water so that probably helped a lot

Still I don't think it would be that hard for something like a Ronia team or w/e as long as you have like 18k-ish HP

Floor 1 is whatever
Floor 2 you basically stall for 10 turns and then kill him. He only hits for 9k/7k, and never hits for more than 14k even at low hp so if your recovery is good it should be no problem
Floor 3 just kill him. even if you take too long he only hits for 15k
Floor 4 is a bit tricky but basically get it as close to 50% HP as possible and then burst with actives. You'll have time to recharge.
Floor 5 is easy if you set up a board since he will never attack you until you touch him once just like in Athena
Floor 6 again he doesn't hit hard. just save some heart orbs until AFTER he uses pitch black dagger. No point in healing before it.
Floor 7 probably tricky but Isis does not care about her bind at all :V Again she never hits for more than 15kish even at low hp so just beat her down.
Floor 8 you get two turns to bring her to 25% and then one more turn after that. Use actives if you want.
Floor 9 tricky, but just keep in mind his attack pattern. After his preempt, do not waste any heal orbs because he's just going to gravity the next turn. then after you heal and take the next hit, you basically get 2 turns because next turn will be a gravity again. Not sure how he changes below 50% though cause I bursted him once he was at half.
Floor 10 just burst him with whatever you got. Delay, 7 star, ronia, whatever. Only thing you have to watch for is the combo shield (which is only 5 so triple row ronia still works).

Oh yeah it also helps if you bring a heartmaker even if you are a burst team because there are a lot of places you need to heal from gravities.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 02:40:05 PM
What would be the GTFO floors in any other dungeon (Fafnir and Siegfried) are chumptastic.

Artemis' bindspam and blue resistance is obnoxious, but ultimately the dungeon just doesn't have enough anti-blue to offset the weakness. And Zeus is weak, his shield is weak, and he can be statused. And so on. Bring a blue team.

Blue team literally the only color of team I can not make because I don't have any good blue orb changer subs outside of Siegfried and Nut LMAO

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:40:59 PM
Nut is great tho :< best mom of best girl :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 02:43:10 PM
Nut is great tho :< best mom of best girl :V

I would use her as a sub if I had a consistent wednesday legend team so I can actually skill her up

I also need to skill up Andromeda, awaken her, etc. It just so happens I put in most of my time and energy into my LKali, LMeta and Urd teams
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2015, 02:51:37 PM
You can stall on Ares no problem if yoy hit him below half, especially if you have blind resist or are good at playing blind. He'll alternate between a blind move that does awful damage and a ~10k attack forever. He never uses his gravity again below 50%.

Apparently he'll always use his non-blinding, higher damage attack even out of sequence if it will kill, but whatever. The gravity is the bad part and you can play around it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 12, 2015, 02:54:46 PM
Dark favoritism OP

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/575948493761572864 LKali uvo stats

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/150312_sinka_ryofu.html summary of changes to go live this Saturday

>THREE green jewel for awoken Parvati oh fuck you

At least we have a free jewel incoming. Then I need just one more.

Awoken Venus, as much as I love her, is just so underwhelming in comparison, and the half-assed active change doesn't really improve much. Especially since I'll probably be running Athena with her anyway :v

Super hyped for ult LKali though. THIS is the upgrade she needed to push her past Kirin in my eyes. She was already stronger but her lower HP seriously turned me off. 3k is very passable. And the damage boost is hilarious and I'll so run awoken Venus as a sub for her :p

The most outstanding bit in my eyes imo though is the skill bind resist though because if you play your cards right and pack a normal bind clearer, your board can literally become unscrewable thanks to Kali's active.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 02:56:42 PM
But she always had a skill bind resist?

The only awakening she gained was a single skill boost :V


Also what's worse than the 3 jewels is the fact that they need an ulti heartbreaker

Those fuckers need MILLIONS OF EXP to evolve >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
Also what's worse than the 3 jewels is the fact that they need an ulti heartbreaker

Those fuckers need MILLIONS OF EXP to evolve >_>

Those are the gold keeper evolutions to boot!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 03:01:54 PM
Yeep >___>


Also I'm a bit surprised they didnt give Kali triple TPA considering it's all the rage now. In total she has fewer awakenings than even Kirin, but to be fair they're all really good ones.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 12, 2015, 03:02:52 PM
Wait, she did? I must have missed it all this time then :v

And I already have a normal Cu Chulainn that I never use, so while leveling him up may be annoying, with alt farming it shouldn't take more than a day or two of effort. And I already have gold keepers and such so *shrug*

Also, new challenge dungeons incoming. Of COURSE the shynpy is the hardest one to get. And the shynpy AND woodpy are the hardest ones in the set after this too (so once again fuck you gh)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 03:09:42 PM
Tried Sandalphon

>No dupes fuck

Guess I'll pair with Kirin

>Orb trolled first floor

I fucking hate Kirin so much

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 12, 2015, 03:11:37 PM
I'm seriously considering feeding my Kirin off for the 50+ eggs she has on her. The real question is 'who gets her'?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 12, 2015, 03:17:19 PM
but but but Kirin

Back in the day she used to be my "I don't give a fuck anymore I'm 0-stoning this shit" leader when TAMADRApurin just wasn't cutting it. Besides, you never know when you'll get another.

... as I have three copies of Byakko, dual Ronia and Gabriel.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 03:29:19 PM
0 Stoned with Nut + Isis

Wow the damage drop is really noticeable though

Also the fact that you can get binded by stuff like Gabriel

Basically Isis is the best no contest BV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 12, 2015, 05:49:00 PM
I just cleared Zeus Vulcan for the first time, and when I noticed what time it is I realized I'm an hour late for work. Fuck you Zeuuuuuuuus!

what a fucker man, even when you win, you still lose

such is the power of the master troll of the gods
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 12, 2015, 07:51:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KH5z07c.jpg)

guess who's back
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 12, 2015, 07:56:03 PM
Duuuuude, he's looking pretty sweet.  Wonder what they'll make him do?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 12, 2015, 08:00:01 PM
Duuuuude, he's looking pretty sweet.  Wonder what they'll make him do?
pls fix leader skill
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 08:02:05 PM
Duuuuude, he's looking pretty sweet.  Wonder what they'll make him do?

He'll become red dragons S T R ON G E S T S U B

okay

more likely he'll just look cool
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 12, 2015, 08:13:47 PM
Phys/dragon obviously.  We thinking red/light?

Touching his active is heresy.  Maybe boosting his leaderskill to a higher % threshold, and giving him some different awakenings (because holy hell, his awakenings...)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 12, 2015, 08:32:03 PM
Full board changes aren't good for TPA or Rows, so maybe a Hero gods type leaderskill would be best. 

Of course, with the wizards you can build-a-board
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2015, 08:44:26 PM
Phys/dragon obviously.  We thinking red/light?

Touching his active is heresy.  Maybe boosting his leaderskill to a higher % threshold, and giving him some different awakenings (because holy hell, his awakenings...)

honestly i don't think anyone would mind an active change tbh except maybe weird people

awakenings and stats are a given, LS almost certainly so because it's so badly outdated in terms of hp modifiers
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 09:08:35 PM
If they added resolve to his leader ability that might be interesting as it would give him a much easier time getting to the x5 zone. Still weak to multihits and such so it's not that OP, especially if they make it a high condition resolve like 75% Hp or something
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 12, 2015, 09:17:54 PM
Blergh.

I had farmed approximately three billion green keepers as part of my highly advanced "let's max skill this genbu that I never use!!!" strategy and used them all, and now I need one to just evo parvati and I don't have one ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2015, 09:19:12 PM
if you have stamina to burn you can just do stone dragons technicals
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2015, 10:35:18 PM
What's that? Boosted skillups for tonight? Well I might as well feed those six Athenas I farmed up yesterday. Well golly gee, 0/6 again? Color me surprised.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 12, 2015, 11:35:15 PM
I AM NOW 1/10 ON ATHENA SKILLUPS THIS IS THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE :toot:

(this is gonna suck isn't it)

Also, next set of challenge dungeons have put the Flampy on level 8 and there's no fucking way in hell I can clear anything beyond level 6.

Hell, I'm not even sure I can do level 6.

But before I rage too hard, Chirei, what alt dungeon did you farm for tons of ranks and tons of flampys again? if it's the same dungeon for both, I may need to rush myself some ranks for Athena.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2015, 12:52:50 AM

But before I rage too hard, Chirei, what alt dungeon did you farm for tons of ranks and tons of flampys again? if it's the same dungeon for both, I may need to rush myself some ranks for Athena.

Alt. Castle of Satan in the Abyss
Alt. Castle of Satan
Alt. Hyperion Lava Flow

It's worth noting that I did not list one for rotation "2" which is in a few days - hypno forest sucks unless you have one of those fire alt teams (shiva, minerva, rodin, etc)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2015, 01:15:52 AM
Hmm. Can I beat challenge seven? I can definitely get to Ra, and I can definitely get him down to one or two health, but my team would need to hit blue and white every single turn for five turns to kill him, which seemly unreasonable. I could sub in a fixed damage guy somewhere, but Gabe's unreasonably strict sub requirements make that rough and I can't even think of a blue monster with fixed damage, much less a remotely usable one that I own. I might be able to just bash in Ra's face with brute force, but doing that after bursting down Thoth and Sopdet might be hard, especially if half of my screen is still jammers and poison.

I guess I might be able to do it with Kali with a very specific team. Subbing in Ra to smite the enemy Ra shouldn't be a problem, so that floor basically doesn't exist and I just have four floors to deal with. Kali's active kicks the shit out of Thoth and Sopdet, so they won't be too bad. I know she can handle masks, although I might want to bring a heartmaker for safety just so I know I can stall up to my skills on them. I should have enough time to smash Gold hopefully, and Isis isn't that bad. So maybe Kali/Kali/Ra/Sun Quan/Izanami*/Kali would be worth a try. My Kali execution is still poor, but this is a great place to practice and I'd love another Bubpy for Beyzul.

*Or maybe Drawn Joker. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish I had Kurone. Or a skillupped Grape Dragon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2015, 01:49:29 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/GCNxSj5.png)

Kaguya on Legend is laughably easy, but I suspect Mythical will be a bit more difficult.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2015, 02:59:36 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/GCNxSj5.png)

Kaguya on Legend is laughably easy, but I suspect Mythical will be a bit more difficult.
i cant unsee the green stuff behind her as weed thanks chirei
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2015, 03:58:15 AM
i cant unsee the green stuff behind her as weed thanks chirei

Princess Swaguya of the MLG NoScope 420 Blazeit Moon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2015, 05:51:41 AM
i cant unsee the green stuff behind her as weed thanks chirei

you're welcome
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2015, 06:08:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KjD6lZ2.png)

do i win at PAD now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 13, 2015, 07:54:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/drbBPzW.png)(http://i.imgur.com/tTE4wXw.png)

You may have beaten the game but you cannot beat the power of dubbutts
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 13, 2015, 08:47:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/drbBPzW.png)(http://i.imgur.com/tTE4wXw.png)

You may have beaten the game but you cannot beat the power of dubbutts

Rabbits die, if they feel lonely
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
Oh shit oh shit guys jackpot. The three pantheons I wanted, Japan 1, Japan 2, AND Heroes, are all up tomorrow. And I have 108 stones.

Watch me pull 21 dark golems. Dream results has me coming away from this with Yomi, Okuninushi, and Andro. Exciteeeeed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2015, 12:20:07 PM
Oh shit oh shit guys jackpot. The three pantheons I wanted, Japan 1, Japan 2, AND Heroes, are all up tomorrow. And I have 108 stones.

Watch me pull 21 dark golems. Dream results has me coming away from this with Yomi, Okuninushi, and Andro. Exciteeeeed.

...three pantheons that I have none of, and two that are highly desirable to me.

f me...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2015, 12:56:17 PM
Didn't even notice at first that gala of tides is up, which boosted my chances of dropping Andromeda (which are, of course, offset by the fact that there are three pantheons to pull from, but whatever, they all good).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 13, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
No angel 2s, no pull.  :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2015, 01:53:29 PM
No angel 2s, no pull.  :<

Reminder that there is currently no official announcement - there might be multiple parts, the latter of which might have Angel2.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2015, 02:09:46 PM
oh shit japan 1, odin x3, AND blue gala

literally the perfect godfest for me *-*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2015, 02:48:54 PM
This could get me a few steps closer to the Kali/Kali/Kali/Kali/BOdin/Kali dream team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 13, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
Ahh. Lots of good stuff, but also a fair few things I do NOT necessarily want.  Only own one from each pantheon(Orochi, Kushi, and Perseus respectively) though, so hm...

Also Odins on 3x are always good since any of em would be good to have(oh man, BOdin on a possible Hermes team plus as a Karin sub...).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 13, 2015, 03:52:28 PM
I really want Yomi or Pandora and I have 5 pulls.

I'll just probably pull once. I'll pull all of everything once PCGF comes again or something
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 13, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
As much as I'd actually not mind the heroes I'm missing, the only japan 1.0 I'm missing is yomi and I have all the relevant Jp 2.0 cards :v (That is to say, everyone but Oku).

With gadius and no higher chance of red valk, looks like I'm skipping.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 13, 2015, 04:18:38 PM
I have the light and dark monsters for all three pantheons, except Yomi, so I think I'm gonna stick to the yoloroll.

Also, looking for Karin in the Holy Beast Challenge dungeon. First run Leilan, second run Meimei, this is gonna suck.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2015, 07:14:59 PM
Got Byakko on Holy Beasts and couldn't be bothered to reroll. I have five black orbs now. Oops.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2015, 09:22:51 PM
Got Byakko on Holy Beasts and couldn't be bothered to reroll. I have five black orbs now. Oops.

Commander of Black, Cool
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 13, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff_e1srfVIE

Brought to you by the guy who cleared lv10 with Luci.
DAFUQ did I just watch
200k hp Noah team with two max skilled Shower of Healing (10cd) and DIza loop.
Implication: even in a no-heart dungeon (Like kaguya in the vid), you can survive ~60k damage per turn with no pressure.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2015, 10:51:52 PM
I think gungho is okay with super stall working now because there's no worries about it being mainstream meta like the luci age anymore.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 13, 2015, 10:56:04 PM
I think gungho is okay with super stall working now because there's no worries about it being mainstream meta like the luci age anymore.

Considering the amount of money and effort put into that team to make it work (20 skill levels of Shower of Healing ==|| and full hyper probably), it's not really comparable to the luci age where Luci+some rainbow keeps and Heras+Luci are killing everything. (You know, that farmable luci team sounds really like the Juggler situation we have now :V what with people doing insane damage with DJ and Cattleya subs)

Edit: Does Konami code while rolling, gets Apollo (Number 573 = Ko Na Mi) which is from Light Galas not godfes.
You can't make this shit up.
It's a dupe though. rip
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2015, 04:08:35 AM
yeah awoken lakshimi is still plenty good (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRL7MbIofXE)

gungho pls i want awoken isis now aaaaa


also what the fuck i never knew about this monster holy shit it's op!? (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=859)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 14, 2015, 06:55:46 AM
OK this isn't even funny anymore.

Dupe Dmeta total 3
Dupe Lmeta total 5
Dupe Godin total 4
Dupe GZL total 3
Dupe Gadius total 2
Dupe Urd total 3
Dupe Verdandi total 3

non-dupes:
Zuoh

everything else: junk

wtf is my godfest luck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 14, 2015, 07:23:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/N6Thg5C.png)

holy shit suikama you lucky bastard

(pls raise skuld i need skuld friends bc skuld is cool and isis is a loser :matsurismirk: )
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 14, 2015, 07:34:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/h7yaxOvl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/h7yaxOv.jpg)

I guess this happened?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 14, 2015, 07:37:11 AM
So much solid stuff there. And just in time to prepare for ULT LKALI :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 14, 2015, 07:42:38 AM

holy shit suikama you lucky bastard

(pls raise skuld i need skuld friends bc skuld is cool and isis is a loser :matsurismirk: )

Glad to see it finally worked out. What else is on that check list again? I think you just need Orochi and Blue Odin now, though if you use Hera-Is that's only one more., and that guys in this godfest  >:D

Wait, both of them are technically.
You know what to do
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 14, 2015, 07:55:51 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/h7yaxOvl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/h7yaxOv.jpg)

I guess this happened?

THINK OF ALL THE POWER YOU CAN DO

(http://i.imgur.com/5wbYu7a.png)

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 14, 2015, 11:28:36 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JyKQq7x.png)

Goddammit GungHo I had JUST FINISHED my GZL team and you give me this.

(Sasuke skillups in the coin dungeons when.)

@Edit

Well, I guess I could sub him in instead of Michael for dungeons which don't have skill locks but damn I was so sure this dude had 2 TPAs I guess not.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 14, 2015, 01:02:19 PM
got apocalypse and muse

muse is hella interesting haha
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 14, 2015, 01:09:49 PM
My thoughts "Pull once or twice, maybe till gold"

First pull
(http://i.imgur.com/LUkyaJi.png)

I still can do 3 Pulls, not sure if I should though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 14, 2015, 01:30:59 PM
Yolorolled me an Okuninushi yay my first combo # leader :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2015, 01:55:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N6Thg5C.png)

holy shit suikama you lucky bastard

(pls raise skuld i need skuld friends bc skuld is cool and isis is a loser :matsurismirk: )
wtf that's not me I'm not rank 417 O_o

The only one who is that rank is

....

CHIREIIIIIIIIIIIIIII



My pulls are total shit BTW

Dupe thor water mystic knight and some padz bullshit fuck this

Dupe verdandi amaterasu DUPE RONIA dammit I don't want you guys
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2015, 02:07:19 PM
OH SHIT THIS WORKS
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 14, 2015, 02:17:08 PM
I yolorolled once and got another blodin :V

BLUE TPA IT'S HAPPENING MAN

Edit: How reasonable is blodin/blodin/u&y/u&y/reine/blodin for tpa hilarity?

Huge piles of HP, no real need for RCV boosts because everything has high rcv anyway, and at least two blue tpas per card.  Seems good on paper.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 14, 2015, 03:32:53 PM
My one pull got me fire dragon swordsman. :v

I guess I at least have all of the available ones right now?

At least the China girl dungeon was nice to me this time around. Meimei on my third try!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 14, 2015, 03:43:13 PM
so I rolled five times
genie angel-Lucy 3-star dark golem
that blue chimerae thing from PADZ

Aaaand Yamato Takeru. My first thought was, "Damn, now I feel like I have to skill him up but I don't know if his skill up dungeon will come around."

> Red Sprite in Special Tab

Oh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 14, 2015, 04:15:38 PM
wtf that's not me I'm not rank 417 O_o

The only one who is that rank is

....

CHIREIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Alright, I admit it, I've been busted! I couldn't resist it since it was a passing joke that was mentioned in the IRC channel about a month ago and the opportunity was too perfect. It's good to see it was taken in good faith though.

Now for what actually happened last night!

(http://i.imgur.com/yip4Ehm.png) (http://i.imgur.com/28sqSRf.png) (http://i.imgur.com/CmeAFGh.png)

So I did five pulls, and while Skuld and Muse were the only two golds, I got them back to back which is really really creepy and implies that the game really wants me to go big blue because I can actually make a whale-tier Skuld team of Skuld/Muse/Blodin/Blodin or Isis/Andromeda or something. The good part is that I no longer have to worry about missing out on Tunabowl because now I have the actual guy he was meant to skill up! (I'll probably still throw five Bubpy at him though because fuck that noise)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2015, 04:37:29 PM
23 pulls. Can't screencap so I'll write them down in order.

Ame No Uzume
Wind Courier Kano
The Norn Verdandi
Odin
Sarutobi Sasuke
The Norn Urd
Kagutsuchi
Strawberry Dragon
Ice Guardian
Mandrake
Flame Golem
Susano
Pierdrawn
The Norn Urd
Gryps Rider
The Norn Verdandi
Beast Rider
Dark Angel Metatron (!)
Yamato Takeru
Siren
Beast Rider
Umisachi and Yamasachi
Sun Wukong

So I went into this with three wants: Andromeda, Yomi, and Okuninushi. I pulled none of them, which is sort of fine because Yomi and Okuni were supposed to be black filler for rainbow teams and I got Metatron instead. Kind of sad about the lack of Andromeda still, but whatever. If I wasn't going to pull her now I guess I'm not going to pull her. I can probably scrape up enough stones for one more pull tomorrow.

The four norns is big. Since I got doubles of both I can sub them with themselves, which seems pretty badass. Urd is a great option for that red team I keep meaning to build (sorry Horus). Lots of good options here. Overall great, sad I didn't pull Andromeda, but I god assloads of special gods so whatever.

Verdandi/Verdandi/Odin/Odin/Chu/Verdandi. Gross.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 14, 2015, 04:42:33 PM
still salty that of all the norns I get first, it's the 6* one which was also the final blow to end my resistance towards big blue
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 14, 2015, 05:00:57 PM
Mega luck yolo  :getdown:

(http://i.imgur.com/t1PlRHr.jpg) (http://imgur.com/t1PlRHr)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2015, 05:21:05 PM
It's good to see it was taken in good faith though.
oh dont worry im not mad

but i still want to kill you :flamingv:


especially since i need muse to get maximum power out of dkali

Mega luck yolo  :getdown:

(http://i.imgur.com/t1PlRHr.jpg) (http://imgur.com/t1PlRHr)
damn you allll
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 14, 2015, 05:45:00 PM
double verdandi

you're skilling her up and maxing her btw

Also, while double verdandi sounds nice, verdandi ultimately wants people who can actually hit hard like GZL instead- two board changes are generally enough imo unless you're like fucking ronia

overall your team is going to be too weak to make use of infinite 'good boards' so you want utility too tbh, susan and sasuke that you just got are good options for orb change and utility and both have prongs!

cu chu also slots, so you just want a huge hitter on your final slot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 14, 2015, 05:56:09 PM
so tossing around the idea of Yamato Takeru/Suzaku/Ronia/Ronia/Dancing Hera/Yamato Takeru

12 skill boosts so instant Suzaku+YT+Hera
Ronias up in three turns

Six rows doesn't sound like much but who needs them I have attacker and devils

at this point I might as well just go Zeus Vulcan with all these Ronias and Takeru. :/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 14, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
so tossing around the idea of Yamato Takeru/Suzaku/Ronia/Ronia/Dancing Hera/Yamato Takeru

12 skill boosts so instant Suzaku+YT+Hera
Ronias up in three turns

Six rows doesn't sound like much but who needs them I have attacker and devils

at this point I might as well just go Zeus Vulcan with all these Ronias and Takeru. :/

way too many raw board changes

needs more orb change
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2015, 06:01:21 PM
you're skilling her up and maxing her btw

Also, while double verdandi sounds nice, verdandi ultimately wants people who can actually hit hard like GZL instead- two board changes are generally enough imo unless you're like fucking ronia

overall your team is going to be too weak to make use of infinite 'good boards' so you want utility too tbh, susan and sasuke that you just got are good options for orb change and utility and both have prongs!

cu chu also slots, so you just want a huge hitter on your final slot

Hmm, fair. I'll skillup then when the fruits trade back over. Having two different ones makes the 1/3 chance to get the right one better. Skilling up Sasuke is going to be a bitch since I no longer have a use for green chasers (skilling up lil' Meimei? Ha ha no, can't be bothered to evolve the chasers for that). And the two Verdandis was more for the extra stats than the active, but yeah fair enough.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2015, 06:10:17 PM
you're skilling her up and maxing her btw

Also, while double verdandi sounds nice, verdandi ultimately wants people who can actually hit hard like GZL instead- two board changes are generally enough imo unless you're like fucking ronia

overall your team is going to be too weak to make use of infinite 'good boards' so you want utility too tbh, susan and sasuke that you just got are good options for orb change and utility and both have prongs!

cu chu also slots, so you just want a huge hitter on your final slot
hey chaores i have two verdandis too

what the fuck do i do with them
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 14, 2015, 06:23:11 PM
way too many raw board changes

needs more orb change

YT/Suzaku/Ronia/Urd/mini Cao Cao/YT?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 14, 2015, 06:54:03 PM
YT/Suzaku/Ronia/Urd/mini Cao Cao/YT?

i would

honestly keep only one

especially since only urd has any insurance for bad activates with cao cao

hey chaores i have two verdandis too

what the fuck do i do with them

feed isis to them




in seriousness you could do like

kushi, ignis cu chu, adk, canopener?

you're missing a big punch but kushi is really fucking great

could also do silly strats with like

kushi, mei, valkyrie, verche with athena friend

edit: wait wait fuck not verche canopener again maybe?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 14, 2015, 09:58:12 PM
15 fest gods, only own three of em, and I pull a dupe.  I...guess I can make both Orochis now if I want to...?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 14, 2015, 11:44:16 PM
Currently 10 runs of Holy Beast Challenge and no Karins - Four Leilans, Three Meimeis, Two Sakuyas and One Haku.

But not the ONE Chinese Girl I want.

So much for Awoken Lakshmi I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2015, 11:49:32 PM
Currently 10 runs of Holy Beast Challenge and no Karins - Four Leilans, Three Meimeis, Two Sakuyas and One Haku.

But not the ONE Chinese Girl I want.

So much for Awoken Lakshmi I guess.
It's not like we'll actually get her in NA for another like half a year >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 15, 2015, 12:45:50 AM
It's not like we'll actually get her in NA for another like half a year >_>

This.

Also Meimei invaded me like 3 times so I have 3 Jewels for Awoken Parvati. Now I just need to evolve Cu Chu and get a Cauchemar and I'm ready to get Awoken Parvati :OOO
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 01:06:27 AM
Alt Temple Of Trailokya is horse garbage. Seriously, one Mystic Mask on the third floor every single time is not a "rare encounter". You know things have gone horribly, horribly awry when I have to clear alt dungeon with Gabriel.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2015, 01:43:10 AM
Do those Mystic Masks always use their 25000+ hit every turn? I really might have to use dual Beelzabae (with Ceres!) to stay alive in that dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 15, 2015, 01:45:26 AM
It's not like we'll actually get her in NA for another like half a year >_>

Oh come on, updates don't take that long to get here, 1~2 months, at best. At least, as far as uvos are concerned.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 15, 2015, 01:46:40 AM
It's worth noting that Diagoldos and Sonia Gran came out at the beginning of the year and we've had absolutely no mention of them yet :V

Hell, we haven't even had Grimoire Descended yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 01:48:41 AM
Do those Mystic Masks always use their 25000+ hit every turn? I really might have to use dual Beelzabae (with Ceres!) to stay alive in that dungeon.

No, they don't seem to do it every turn. As far as I can tell it's just below 50%, and then it is every turn. That was my operating assumption as I was playing and it seemed to hold true.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 15, 2015, 02:05:36 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7yZsnBr.jpg

A long time coming.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 02:14:18 AM
Do you guys think there's a point behind having three Beast Riders? Is Urd and three of them anything? Or should I just use them as skillups?

Also I think it's funny that I have black Metatron, Finn, and Hanzo just in time for them not to be big shit any more (I'm not saying they don't work, just that Metatron's sub pool is a lot deeper since her uvo, so the famous trio is less necessary).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 15, 2015, 02:29:27 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7yZsnBr.jpg

A long time coming.
congrats

you are now ready to feed her to gadius
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 15, 2015, 02:56:25 AM
fuck it i dont buy any other games anymore whale mode activate

GGY
Echidna
Undine
Sleeping Beauty
ADK
Wukong
Andromeda lmafo
Cinderella
Levia
Hattori rofl
Kushi dupe
Avalon Drake :o
Sylph
U&Y :o
Water Swordsman
Yomi


I guess this counts as pretty good

even though still no Muse >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 15, 2015, 02:58:07 AM
y halo there bby

(http://i.imgur.com/CcLwRA2.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 15, 2015, 03:39:07 AM
I think I'm just gonna use U&Y as a proxy Muse

Isis, Nut, U&Y, Echidna, D Kali

not the most ridiculous team ever but it's got utility and TPAs


now I just need gungho to give Isis TPAs and it would actually be legit...


actually wait I have reine

Isis, Nut, Reine, U&Y, D Kali

huh this might actually be really good?


actually no delay and no boost might be a bit sketch

gonna have to mess around a bit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2015, 04:01:42 AM
so I've gotten friend requests from 18 +297 skillmaxed Ronias after updating my Beelzebub information on padx and padherder.

Huh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 15, 2015, 04:38:59 AM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KV2XtThzRT8/VQUMd5NCgtI/AAAAAAAAAvM/oYlNLHxZ548/w385-h684-no/15%2B-%2B1)

things that took too long: definitely this

god damn welcome as hell

now i just need to do the other one
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 15, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
so I've gotten friend requests from 18 +297 skillmaxed Ronias after updating my Beelzebub information on padx and padherder.

Huh.

I should probably update mine too huh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 15, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
I should probably update mine too huh.

If you're interested in the new UVO LKali I made a video showing her off here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cMiiiGAUR4).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 15, 2015, 11:13:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dRLCs5B.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JYzYUUz.jpg)

One-stoned because Izanami's skill bind was an ass.

That could have gone better (my Kirin team is 60% skillbind resistant!), but you'll see no complaining from me.

Two woodpy down, two to go.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 15, 2015, 12:59:44 PM
sasuke got married (https://twitter.com/f09c/status/577033418199859200) (he's in white)

PAD brings people together! Apparently.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2015, 03:17:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UzYScoQ.jpg)

Got this no-stone since the Challenge Descends proved that I could pull it off.

Beelzebae too good. (http://imgur.com/ukThBEE)

Funny story. Minerva got off her Hyper Dark Bind and bound one of the Beelzebae. Still survived because I got two row heals off and Barrage Bomb is still kinda chip damage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 04:24:03 PM
Oh shit, free dark or light present egg just in time for me to take my Metatron from just hatched to max level, max awoken uvo in three days. Excellent.

Also happy to see the Ragnarok Online Collab, and that the drops on the Mitsuki skillup seem reasonable, since at this point I'm a huge proponent of ultimate sticker girls. If I had a Mitsuki I'd max her. I know my roommate has one and uses her all the time, so he'll be happy to see that.

Just gotta clear the last alt dungeon on this rotation and I'll have enough stones for one more pull before this godfest ends. Come oooooon Andro.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 15, 2015, 04:27:38 PM
Well I have noticed that I have all of the necessary evo mats for my Verche, so I'm gonna uvo him and bring him with the next alt dungeon rotation.

I can't field Athena yet so I'm gonna have to field my uvo'd valk instead along with Izanagi, but that's probably gonna be enough so long as I have an Athena friend.

(Right?)

(Also I gave up on the holy beast dungeon and just got myself a light orb.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 15, 2015, 05:09:15 PM
0 stoned General Yan on Legend

oh man that went down to the wire

shoutouts to awoken neptune for being an attacker type :V

I though I was dead by like 1000 hp to Zhang's 15.9k attack but then it turns out he alternates his attacks
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 15, 2015, 05:29:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zWWcFXpl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/zWWcFXp.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/veg5bF1l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/veg5bF1.jpg)

pan paka paaaan
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Oh shit got my fifth stone, last pull of the fest time.

Okay I'm in the bathroom...

Red Sonia

Fuck me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 15, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
Does everyone here have a Ronia besides me? :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 06:17:59 PM
I think it's just one of those things that you end up with when you do enough pulls, since it's not ultra-rare and it's in every godfest.

Not sure if I even want mine. I'm definitely not going to use it as a lead or run a team around it, but I might feel okay using it as a sub on some teams. Not sure which teams, but it might be worth keeping around.

And similarly, why does everyone here seem to have Andromeda but me? Guess I'm just not getting one. If not this weekend, probably never. I've got three of the five heroes now, so doing any more pulls on them is risky (although I guess duplicate heroes is much better than duplicates of most gods).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 15, 2015, 06:19:34 PM
Oh don't worry, I don't have an Andromeda either (Although I do have 2 Pandoras and Wukong to compensate, I guess.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2015, 06:23:44 PM
The only hero I have is Yamato Takeru at this point.
Do you want one of my two Ronias?

To be frank I just want a Metatron so I can help out my irl buddy moreso than I can with other leads. Still hasn't stopped me from getting three Sonias.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 07:24:43 PM
What do you guys think of Wee Jas as a Kali sub? He's kind of a weird mashup of Yomi and Metatron with way worse stats, and I would probably individually run Yomi or Metatron. His bind recover is not compatible with Kali's active at all, but I guess his delay means I can use it sub-optimally as a whole turn for just recovery. His lack of skillboosts is unfortunate. And he is a healer, which is compatible with the Sun Quan I always run on Kali, although his bad attack and lack of prongs means he won't really be pulling his weight offensively anyway.

Anyway, my Kali team is now Kali/Kali/Sun Quan/DMeta/???/Kali. Fuma or another Kali seems ideal for the last spot, but I don't got none of them.

Edit: I guess Athena should probably go in that last spot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 15, 2015, 07:36:45 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/lR5I_ZnxM3g2f4-pV4rHf_ocGSgRYwnBR-WPjaDcWFw=w385-h684-no)

Quote from: channel suikama needs to join
<Chaore> wait
<Chaore> i've never actually fought wadanohara before brb pdx time
<Chirei> you basically get two turns
<Chirei> or something
<Chirei> if you rush it
<Chirei> the second turn will be an extremely wide jammer hit so be careful
<Chaore> oh okay
<Chaore> i just blew her up instantly
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 08:31:00 PM
I just found out that I can clear weekend dungeon with my Gabriel team but with Ganesha instead of I&I for my friend lead. I worried that the 1.35x attack wouldn't be enough to crack green enemies, but since gigantic combos and rows are so easy in there I can still blast through even resistant enemies fairly quickly. Runs take a little longer, but since I have to do half as many it's way worth it. It's actually conceivable I could die now so I have to be careful not to waste runs, but with a delay and Ganesha's active as long as I'm paying attention I should be fine.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 15, 2015, 08:57:13 PM
Running with Ganesha yeah isn't as bad as I would have feared, I bust out my Parvati team but it still takes a while.  Really the worst is the triple mask floor where goofing means I'm a goner but bringing in the dosh awww yeah.

Does everyone here have a Ronia besides me? :(
:hi5: if I ever get one my devil squad is so not anywhere near ready for showtime minus FA Luci. I will instead accept my fate in being in the LMeta (2 more atk eggs!) club 4eva
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 15, 2015, 09:05:27 PM
Running with Ganesha yeah isn't as bad as I would have feared, I bust out my Parvati team but it still takes a while.  Really the worst is the triple mask floor where goofing means I'm a goner but bringing in the dosh awww yeah.

The best option I've encountered so far is devitama(I don't have reliable ganesha friends) and a friend osiris. This gives me plenty of opportunity to mess up but I can still deal out the hits. Mask wave isn't actually too terrible because it's 12000 damage a turn at worst, and you should have way more than that. Synced wave 9 is the worst though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 15, 2015, 09:12:29 PM
I can bust through the blue sucker but goofing on the masks has been my downfall at least once :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2015, 09:36:21 PM
Synced wave nine or ten, or two carbuncles, are all around 20k. Gabe has well over 30k even with just five blue subs and Ganesha, so I think worst case scenario still involves me failing to match any orbs for a turn. Actually, the most likely death I can probably get is floor ten after swapping to Beyzul and somehow failing to rack up enough damage to kill either boss in three turns, but I'm not sure that's possible. I don't know how much damage two rows with seven blue enhances and x8 attack is, but I think it's still a lot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 15, 2015, 09:50:55 PM
I think my team can usually take two green buncles (highest hitting ones), but I think a synced wave 9 is just high enough that it'll oneshot me, so more often than not a burst has to be blown there. highlander usually goes down like a mofo for some reason despite having way more health than the toydrags.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 15, 2015, 09:58:19 PM
Still waiting for trance or anyone else on my friendlist to get their thief to max so I can go double thief and get maximum monies $$$$
Need max levels to make sure I can survive a synced wave 9 though in reality I can probably burst something down with tpas but just to be safe
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2015, 01:28:50 AM
so i noticed i haven't cleared temple of trailyoka for some reason

then i tried it

what the fuck i cant beat this THERE ARE TOO MANY FUCKING CHIMERAS


that took me 5 tries

this is literally harder than most mythicals

like 1.7 million subboss that hits for 30-40k ON A 1 TURN TIMER

how is this fair
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 16, 2015, 03:07:46 AM
like 1.7 million subboss that hits for 30-40k ON A 1 TURN TIMER

how is this fair

you asked for 40,000 HP? (http://imgur.com/s3pHo76)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2015, 03:53:20 AM
...

gungho pls buff isissssssssss
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 16, 2015, 03:58:45 AM
like 1.7 million subboss that hits for 30-40k ON A 1 TURN TIMER

how is this fair

i see you said hi to omegalodran

there is a reason i haven't said hi to him yet
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 16, 2015, 04:03:37 AM
What do you guys think of Wee Jas as a Kali sub?

He only seems worth using as a LKali sub if you've max-skilled him. He's not very optimal otherwise. Ideally you'd use Time Mage for that but he's not available in NA :/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2015, 04:14:30 AM
so i noticed i haven't cleared temple of trailyoka for some reason

then i tried it

what the fuck i cant beat this THERE ARE TOO MANY FUCKING CHIMERAS


that took me 5 tries

this is literally harder than most mythicals

like 1.7 million subboss that hits for 30-40k ON A 1 TURN TIMER

how is this fair

Yeah, I had to purchase it twice to complete it. It's incredibly unfair. It's really spike-unfriendly. I feel like you kind of need an exceptionally sturdy team to deal with all the mystic masks and dublits.

He only seems worth using as a LKali sub if you've max-skilled him. He's not very optimal otherwise. Ideally you'd use Time Mage for that but he's not available in NA :/

Fair enough. I pulled mine just as the Fist Of The North Star collab was ending, so I got no skillups. Ideally I'd like white Metatron for that, but I haven't pulled one yet. I honestly don't think I need a bind-resist sub most of the time since I have three floor-skip buttons, but I figured with all of his various upsides factored in he might be worth it. Maybe if I ever get the chance to skillup him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2015, 04:43:11 AM
i see you said hi to omegalodran

there is a reason i haven't said hi to him yet
i finally beat them all but goddamn it was close

i got both extremely unlucky a bunch of times with 1 turn spawns but at the very end on the final boss of the final stage i got lucky because the boss used it's 40% chance bind instead of killing me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 16, 2015, 04:57:30 AM
...

gungho pls buff isissssssssss

They are, give them time :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2015, 05:06:42 AM
i know

but i cant wait

no i just cant waaaaiiitttttttt

to be kiinnnggggggggg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 16, 2015, 05:10:52 AM
Wait for bastet to get hers first at least.

Also, I'm not sure what to +297 next yet.  Probably best to wait and see what team I wind up playing after a bit and just throw everything on a trash mob in the meantime.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2015, 05:21:22 AM
Bastet has Liu Bei she's fine

Problem with Isis is even though Bodin is good, he's not an orb changer so you can't get nearly as much burst as Liu Bei on Bastet

Really the number 1 thing that's holding back Isis is right now the meta revolves around orb changers, and Isis doesn't really get along that well with any of them. She technically works with all of them (except for sonias) but it's not really optimal.


also cleared some stuff for stones

1 more pull

mistrain

fuck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 16, 2015, 11:44:39 AM
First Alt dungeon beat - Talos abyss.

I don't have that many Athena Friends so it pretty much came down to the wire, and I had to stone the last stage because of the fact that my last Athena friend was un-uvo'd (So only one TPA ;_; )

I should be able to farm these things reliably though, which is awesome :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2015, 12:53:23 PM
Oh good, another +egg Monday.

Five runs of Door Of Light And Shadow, zero drops.

Well shit, they forgot to turn on the +egg spigot again, didn't they? Why is it that my success at this thing alternates day to day? It's literally alternating good day/bad day/good day/bad day/good day. I did well last time, so today I'm going to get four +eggs out of 300 stamina or some nonsense. Although I got zero in the last seven days of doing mostly alt dungeons and boosted King Of The Gods, so I guess I just don't get +eggs anymore outside of Star Vault period.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 17, 2015, 01:48:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eyPacpY.png)

True Dragon Realm:

Wow I actually survived 17k per 2 turn on Light Fagan while 5-turn skill binded AND not hit him under 70% since he's ohko me if I do.
For once, I'm NOT heart-trolled AND not screwed by skyfalls, which is pretty refreshing.

Now I've used this team to get past the other two possible waves 5 and the worst case scenario against light fagan where I get skill binded. :D Dark Fagan can be tanked with damage reductions, Fatty required getting lucky which I did. Too bad those other two runs I didn't manage to finish off Zaerog :<

Also thief so good (or indra if you have one), you can use him before Zaerog uses gravity, then take his next 3 moves: gravity, 15k+bind, 23k attack without the need to heal at all :v and to top it off, he wastes a turn re-doing absorb afterwards!

Dragon challenge done :v Managed to clear all four challenges and get lots of Noel dragons. Now that they've exhausted the rushes, what will they do next?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 17, 2015, 02:09:15 AM
I think I might be able to pull off True Dragon Realm if I can get a +297 U/W ultimate Sun Quan friend. It seems more doable than the other rushes. I'd be banking on luck to not trigger Zaerog's light absorb though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 17, 2015, 03:46:14 AM
so Beelzebub hit +99 RCV
which means I have to figure out to whom I should invest my +eggs into next.

I really like the Beelzebae team and would eventually dig seeing that be super hypermax. However, the only -core- members that I use all the time are Byakko (already hypermax), Beelzebub (almost hypermax) and CDD, but CDD doesn't have any TPAs so boosting his attack is really inefficient.

Gryps Rider needs skillups to be any form of permanent member of the team. Also crap HP makes for bad Ceres heal.
Ceres doesn't benefit much because she's incredibly off-color. Boosting her HP and RCV could help other teams, but her individual offense is poor.
Christmas Lilith has poop HP and her double TPAs don't mean much when her base ATK is garbage. High RCV also doesn't help much when Ceres does all the healing.
Hera is a big investment that'll need a lot of time to be as quick as Lilith can be. Big default HP though and one TPA makes ATK investment okay.
Persephone is a huge boon active skill wise but I still don't have enough room for her all the time.

-usually- my Descend team includes Byakko/CDD/Ceres/Hera but for alt. dungeons I roll Byakko/CDD/Lilith/Persephone what do I'm so indecisive
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 17, 2015, 04:06:48 AM
so Beelzebub hit +99 RCV
which means I have to figure out to whom I should invest my +eggs into next.

I really like the Beelzebae team and would eventually dig seeing that be super hypermax. However, the only -core- members that I use all the time are Byakko (already hypermax), Beelzebub (almost hypermax) and CDD, but CDD doesn't have any TPAs so boosting his attack is really inefficient.

Gryps Rider needs skillups to be any form of permanent member of the team. Also crap HP makes for bad Ceres heal.
Ceres doesn't benefit much because she's incredibly off-color. Boosting her HP and RCV could help other teams, but her individual offense is poor.
Christmas Lilith has poop HP and her double TPAs don't mean much when her base ATK is garbage. High RCV also doesn't help much when Ceres does all the healing.
Hera is a big investment that'll need a lot of time to be as quick as Lilith can be. Big default HP though and one TPA makes ATK investment okay.
Persephone is a huge boon active skill wise but I still don't have enough room for her all the time.

-usually- my Descend team includes Byakko/CDD/Ceres/Hera but for alt. dungeons I roll Byakko/CDD/Lilith/Persephone what do I'm so indecisive

You can always save it until they release more OP stuff. (I've been saving up my HP +eggs for a while and won't be investing them until Bastet's awoken is out because the team might change a lot. I have like 50 saved. lols)

But if you have to make a decision I'd definitely say go for making your descend team better than alt dungeon team. There's no way you need several hypermaxes for alts, but descend will only get harder, but I REALLY don't know about hypermaxing CDDs or Heras...

Ceres has the plus of being a really good lead capable the most difficult dungeons (lv10s), but Persephone also seems to be a good choice because she can be used on almost every other dark/devil team out there and she still has the potential of getting a good branch uevo someday.

I'm leaning towards Ceres so you can have a hypermax dual sub/lead, look into whether you can find more use off persy, or wait till you have a more stable/worthwhile team sub.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 17, 2015, 04:45:32 AM
Yeah, I'm leaning towards Ceres moreso than anyone else but I think hearing someone else's confirmation helped a lot.

Ronia is an option but it's Ronia so it sucks (completely ignoring her high HP and ATK because bias).

Persephone obviously has a use on Byakko's team but dealing with her color requirements while still leaning dark is rough.

I forgot about the random Dill Sirius that I had, being both cool converter and dual TPA but 1) he needs skill ups badly, and 2) ugh why does he have far more RCV than HP.

The thought of a hyper CDD is silly, though aside from Genbu+Pandora I can't think of any other devil orb changers that work as well as Byakko+CDD. I still appreciate the team being mostly non-REM dependent aside from Ceres and Byakko being super critical members at all times.

If I took out Byakko, I can easily justify removing CDD as well to make room for any of the above. I just don't want to ignore the +eggs she already has.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 17, 2015, 06:31:59 AM
I got my cheap laugh for today

(http://i.imgur.com/ZTRwD8q.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2015, 02:17:28 PM
maxed d kali with a single SUPER snow globe

best buff ever BV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 17, 2015, 02:18:17 PM
I got my cheap laugh for today

(http://i.imgur.com/ZTRwD8q.png)

only thing you need is kaguya and you'll be blazing 420s all over the place
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 17, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
Gabriel is so close... Just twelve eggs to go. I might've been able to get pretty close yesterday but I got awful rates and more than my share of RCV eggs.

I finally replaced my broken trashphone, so I may lose some time later when I transfer my service. I don't really know how that works so I don't know what to expect.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 17, 2015, 03:41:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/crcFDgQ.png)
My first  +297 how precious.
And now the fun times of evolving stupid chasers gungho pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 17, 2015, 03:47:50 PM
Hey, that's two more skillups than I have.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 17, 2015, 03:51:43 PM
Gabriel is so close... Just twelve eggs to go. I might've been able to get pretty close yesterday but I got awful rates and more than my share of RCV eggs.

I finally replaced my broken trashphone, so I may lose some time later when I transfer my service. I don't really know how that works so I don't know what to expect.

I think Chaore and jq have done transfer a few times, they might know how that goes. I hear it's incredibly painless with gmail though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 17, 2015, 04:14:31 PM
I did it too back in September they made it really easy with the device transfer codes even if it's not Gmail.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 17, 2015, 04:29:58 PM
A day and a half of nothing but running shadow sprite

Three black fairies (haven't evolved yet), 7 pirates, 0 fuma skillups.

Grinding this shit out is maddening. :|
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 17, 2015, 04:36:06 PM
Zeus-Dios revisited. (http://imgur.com/JQh9LHa)

Glad I got this out of the way on Beelzebae's no-stone list. In the cases where I have two turns available, having Persephone followed by Byakko+CDD is a much better composition than using a Hera or something.

I also can't think of any other offensive non-Egypt v2 team that can nonchalantly tank Jupiter Genesis as though it's chip damage. Twice.

Also Awoken Hades but I don't have him. :c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 17, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
I also can't think of any other offensive non-Egypt v2 team that can nonchalantly tank Jupiter Genesis as though it's chip damage. Twice.

Well, Gabriel maybe (I'd probably need a heartmaker though). But ha ha thanks Gungho for the colossal resistance roadblock that Beezebub doesn't have to deal with or I could just one-shot him. Still going to try later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 17, 2015, 05:06:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/crcFDgQ.png)
My first  +297 how precious.
And now the fun times of evolving stupid chasers gungho pls

Do pys if you can, it's much easier on the sanity
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 17, 2015, 05:43:15 PM
Is there a stage that's better for farming or are they all equally low drop?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 17, 2015, 05:45:05 PM
Last stage for whatever dungeon is currently dropping them is always the best option, iirc.

According to Chirei it should be about a 1% drop rate overall, so...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2015, 05:47:02 PM
you can also clear challenge 10 for one :V :V :V

actually i wonder if it's actually more stamina efficient to just farm jewels, since you don't have to evolve them and it's a 100% drop rate if they spawn. And I think they improved the spawn rates for mythical since they dont seem to drop on legend anymore.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 17, 2015, 06:07:34 PM
Light Jewel doesn't skill up LMeta though :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 17, 2015, 06:11:26 PM
actually i wonder if it's actually more stamina efficient to just farm jewels
Not for Metatron :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2015, 06:23:52 PM
Light Jewel doesn't skill up LMeta though :V
fucking hell im dumb

man why do the other chinese girls get jewels and chasers while kirin, lmeta, and indra all have their shit mixed around
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 17, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
I think their initial logic was "Kirin's skillup is a 100% farmable monster with a 100% drop rate on a dungeon that is always available, LMeta is a special god so her skillups must be dumb and nobody gives a fuck about Indra."

Out of these three, two are no longer true, so Kirin gets the shaft because yes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
it also sucks cause gravities are comparatively really weak now

like kirin gravity is 10-15 turns for an amazing 20% off their health while a chinese girl active can burst for millions every 9 turns with the right team
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 17, 2015, 07:15:00 PM
According to Chirei it should be about a 1% drop rate overall, so...

Using hundreds of my runs and thousand of other NA player's runs the rate does seem to average out to be ~1%, give or take a few tenths of a percent. If you get a method for running them going the 1% estimate soon won't matter because you'll be banging out hundreds of runs a week and ranking up like mad.

I think alt tower of nature is the "easiest" one to do, which should be in two weeks. IIRC trance can run it on JP with LMeta pretty easily so you might wanna ask her???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 17, 2015, 07:20:16 PM
I think I'mma need to money up like mad first $$$$
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 17, 2015, 07:24:13 PM
Kirin is suffering from post-OP meltdown.  It's happened with plenty of formerly top-tier leads: horus, aa luci, etc.  She's generally considered to be the second-worst of the 5x leads at this point (ahead of Durga, who has yet to gain an ult evo - and from what I've been reading, Durga now has a surprising amount of use that Kirin doesn't), and has nowhere near the potential of U&Y/LKali as a leader or a sub.

Part of that is her not-that-useful active, but she also has really awful awakenings.

I hate to say it, but I think she could probably use a buff.  A second ult evo would do nicely; even if it was just a buff to her awakenings it'd be really useful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
Durga is actually really good now for Dmeta (after all the buffs to each of them) to instantly drop to 1 hp and burst on a low cd. She's also literally a dark izanagi

and yeah kirin needs a buff, but she can still handle legend+s at this point so isis and horus need one first >:V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 17, 2015, 07:52:24 PM
I think Santa Kirin was supposed to be her buff :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 17, 2015, 07:53:34 PM
Durga is actually really good now for Dmeta (after all the buffs to each of them) to instantly drop to 1 hp and burst on a low cd. She's also literally a dark izanagi

and yeah kirin needs a buff, but she can still handle legend+s at this point so isis and horus need one first >:V

Durga always was just a more offensive alternative to Kirin, really.

I hate to say it, but I think she could probably use a buff.  A second ult evo would do nicely; even if it was just a buff to her awakenings it'd be really useful.

A balance patch is probably a better bet for that, tbh. And also more useful since the entire 5x set is really fucked up right now.

She still has quite a few dead awakenings they could swap out.

I think Santa Kirin was supposed to be her buff :V

Also this to be honest :v Something like Santa Kirin is basically what Kirin wants to be right now, but isn't- a defensive alternative to U&Y and LKali.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 17, 2015, 08:02:40 PM
Durga always was just a more offensive alternative to Kirin, really.


Yeah. It's just that for 25x HP and recovery are more important. I doubt it helps that the other non Kirin leads probably beat her out in the offense department too with their dual prongs and orbchamgers.
I dunno how much I want Kirin to get two prongs, though, since both Umi Yama and Kali have them.

I wouldn't be surprise if their way of buffing was tacking something on to Boisterous Dance, like an enhance.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 17, 2015, 10:29:31 PM
The only real reason to use Kirin over UmiYama or LKali at this point is honestly because of her gravity. A doubleshot of her gravity really is significant against bosses, effectively reducing close to a half of their health effortlessly, which makes burst kills easier to do. The rest of her is pretty inferior. (I guess HP is a thing too, she is pretty stacked in that stat)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 17, 2015, 10:35:27 PM
Yeah, but then we have Hathor who is basically a better Kirin in every possible way (afaik).

Heavenly Splash is 25% to Boisterious Dance's 20%, Hathor has an HP and a RCV multiplier and "damage" awakenings (in the form of the orb enhances) along with different elements for more versatility in rainbow teams.

(I still remember when one of these threads was called "Kirin is literally the best god edition". Powercreep is a horrible wonderful thing, isn't it?)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 17, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Yeah, but then we have Hathor who is basically a better Kirin in every possible way (afaik).

Heavenly Splash is 25% to Boisterious Dance's 20%, Hathor has an HP and a RCV multiplier and "damage" awakenings (in the form of the orb enhances) along with different elements for more versatility in rainbow teams.

(I still remember when one of these threads was called "Kirin is literally the best god edition". Powercreep is a horrible wonderful thing, isn't it?)

Err, not really.

Kirin's awakenings have orb enhance too and are honestly much better by virute of having more than effectively a single skill boost holy shit hathor's awakenings are such -turbo trash-. She uh, actually has a skill up for her active, and she actually has the versatility advantage because Hathor wants light cards as much as possible and kirin doesn't give a fuck, she'll slot in that echidna all she wants.

I'm not saying Kirin is straight better because with REM subs and a lot of plus eggs, Hathor can take a lot of hits, but it's not anywhere near objectively Hathor>Kirin in a lot of ways.

Hathor just has bigger boobs so people go nuts over her :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2015, 11:18:01 PM
Ugh right now I have Andromeda, Wukong, Chiyome, and Hanzo...

so that's two gods and two ninjas AND NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY SYNERGY >_>


also kirin's awakenings used to be good because skill boost+time+skill lock resist was a lot of utility that other leaders didnt have

but now every hero god has a shitton of them
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 17, 2015, 11:23:57 PM
Tried Zeus Dios twice, couldn't clear it either time. Got Zeus to less than 10% health both times, but Gungho's "your team is strictly worse than everyone else's because fuck you for not playing dark or light" tech was too much for me to handle. ::) (disclaimer: commmandercool is aware that other people do play non-dark or light teams, he is being facetious, but christ, sometimes it feels that way)

Got a Byakko invade both times which seems crazy. I guess maybe they did crank up the rates. Would've stoned to keep the jewel but I already own five and I don't really want to waste space on more. Had it been any other jewel I would have.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2015, 11:41:28 PM
dammit the coin version of flower dragons dont have rankings either!

and there i was thinking i could get another 10 tama T_T
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
The account transfer process was, as I was told it would be, extraordinarily painless. PAD did have trouble picking up my Google Play account's authentication at first, but force stopping and restarting PAD fixed that. Good job Google and good job Gungho. Now hopefully my mobile plan transfer will be similarly simple (what does it say about me that I transferred PAD before I set up the ability to use my phone as a phone?).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 18, 2015, 12:43:34 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fAhW9sbl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fAhW9sb.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/70yoY6Xl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/70yoY6X.jpg)

Not much to show for it yet, but soon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 18, 2015, 01:10:34 AM
WE INTERRUPT THIS BROADCAST

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KITTY
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 01:14:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fAhW9sbl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fAhW9sb.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/70yoY6Xl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/70yoY6X.jpg)

Not much to show for it yet, but soon.

Well, you got assloads of experience and monster food to show for it. Get used to that, because that's going to be mostly it. And it's good. Maybe if you dodged the gypsy curse that got me there'll be some +eggs in there too. And piis of course, but they become kind of secondary after a while.

WE INTERRUPT THIS BROADCAST

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KITTY

THAS NOT A KITTY THAS A LADY.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 18, 2015, 01:15:18 AM
I'm expecting Theurgia and Medjed as the evo mats because of the markings on their heads.

Well, you got assloads of experience and monster food to show for it. Get used to that, because that's going to be mostly it. And it's good.

I do like me some exp. Especially since the monsters I'm trying to level up will probably be my only hope of clearing Zeus & Hera when they get here!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 18, 2015, 01:18:21 AM
CATTE

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 01:26:43 AM
WE INTERRUPT THIS BROADCAST

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KITTY
FUCK

IT'S GONNA BE JUST BASTET AND HORUS ISNT IT

 :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 18, 2015, 01:30:26 AM
FUCK

IT'S GONNA BE JUST BASTET AND HORUS ISNT IT

If Bastet's using Theurgia like it seems like she will, we're thinking in IRC that Horus will get Ars Paulina and Isis will get Almadel. Because norns. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
oh that kind of make sense

...which means B/G Balanced/Devil Isis?

oh booooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy >___>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 18, 2015, 01:49:29 AM
...which means B/G Balanced/Devil Isis?

oh booooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy >___>

Yeah, blue balanced barely exists in JP and doesn't exist at all in US due to missing collabs

Blue devil doesn't have that much either...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 01:55:15 AM
Wait but they're following Norn trends then Bastet should be Balanced and Isis should still be Physical?


e: Actually I think Bastet will use Armadel not Therugia because both of them are G/R and you don't need a main type Red for your subtype to be Red as shown by Awoken Venus.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 18, 2015, 02:06:26 AM
oh that kind of make sense

...which means B/G Balanced/Devil Isis?

oh booooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy >___>

I don't know if Isis will get devil, I mean they usually only take one sub type from the material.  The question is what will the other material be?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 02:11:28 AM
Bastet is a tossup between Devil and God as well right now cause Alma is devil and medjed is god

She looks a bit devilish with the ghostly spirits flying around her but then again her current devil form looks way different so this might be a return to god type


e: oh wait Bastet has Therugia's head markings...

welp fuck me then :colonveeplusalpha:


e2: oh wait Medjed is Balanced

So Balanced/Attacker Bastet? Wow that sounds pretty good actually

And Physical/Balanced Isis?....

Uh....

ehhhuuuhhhhhh

that might actually be worse
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 18, 2015, 02:22:30 AM
I'm wondering if she'll be Balanced/Attacker myself, since Balanced is Medjed's other type and Bastet's art here looks more attackery than devily.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 02:29:13 AM
I'm wondering if she'll be Balanced/Attacker myself, since Balanced is Medjed's other type and Bastet's art here looks more attackery than devily.

Is there precedent for awoken gods not having God or Devil? Balanced/Attacker seems unlikely. I'm assuming green/red God/Balanced for Bastet and blue/green God/Physical for Isis. And I guess Red/Blue God/Attacker for Horus. I mean, I'm just basing that on the Norns, but I assume they'll match. I will be very surprised if they don't match.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 18, 2015, 02:31:02 AM
Is there precedent for awoken gods not having God or Devil?

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1726
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 02:37:24 AM
I didn't realize that even awakenings were borrowed from the monsters they eat. If that's true then Bastet will very likely at least have double TPA, and maybe another skill lock resist? Hopefully no one gets anything from the grimores though cause there's nothing but off color +orbs ewwwwww


Oh Jesus I just noticed Parvati and Lashiki get their old shittier unevo'ed awakenings as the base 4

I swear if Isis' awakenings change back...

I mean seriously RGB+ and half a bind-resist? That just might be the worst set of REM awakenings in the entire game...

yes i still remember when i thought they were good ._.

fuck meeee
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 02:47:13 AM
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1726

Oh yeah, fair enough. I'd still make the assertion that that's different because it's a "race/class" thing rather than "class/class". PAD plays fast and loose with those ideas anyway, but regardless I'll be very surprised if any REM god ever ends up completely without a race, especially an awoken god.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 18, 2015, 02:50:26 AM
Oh Jesus I just noticed Parvati and Lashiki get their old shittier unevo'ed awakenings as the base 4

Oh god I didn't notice that.

Oh god are we seriously going back to double resist horus?

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

;_;

fuck me if the egyptians really just get the awakenings added to them from their mats the absolute best case scenario for horus is double skill-bind resist one tpa a skill boost and two fire enhance along with double resist. And that's assuming Horus's evo mats are Thoth and Armadel in which case the best-case scenari for typings is god/devil AKA NOT ATTACKER

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck again
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 02:52:14 AM
Maybe they'll get way more new awakenings than everyone else to compensate? Hopefully. Old awakenings+buffed awakenings+new awakenings might be okay, depending on what the cap of how many awakenings something is allowed to have it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
At least resists can actually be useful for saving your life

Oh wow look at my single +green orb adding 6% damage to my 500 green attack FUCKING AMAZING


Also for types, it seems awokens always get one new and keep one old, so I guess some combination of God/Devil and Balanced/Attacker is mostly likely

And I guess God/Balanced or Physical/Devil for Isis...


Hmm maybe their leader skills will be change to be like a hybrid of their originals and the new godfest exclusives. So like Isis and Horus would get a higher multiplier with B/G and R/B matches while maybe Bastet get higher damage if she combos with hearts.
If that's the case then I'm really glad I pulled U&Y and Andromeda :D
Also in that cause her typing wouldn't really matter, as a leader anyways
As a sub she still kind of want healer but oh well I guess
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 18, 2015, 03:15:50 AM
Oh Jesus I just noticed Parvati and Lashiki get their old shittier unevo'ed awakenings as the base 4

to be fair the only disappointing awakening Parvati has even in the base 4 is the green enhance. I know for sure that I will appreciate the poison resist for some dungeons. Her new awakes play off the old ones, adding more TPA power and making her unbindable and that's pretty freaking cool
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 03:30:52 AM
Huh on second glance, Bastet's forehead icon is NOT the same as Therugia's. Therugia's is like a crest while Bastet's is like an eye.

So it's still a tossup between Therugia and Armadel
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 18, 2015, 04:18:23 AM
...Oh hey this coin rotation has insect dragons on it.

If I run green insect dragon what is the difficulty with the best drop-to-stamina ratio? Expert?

'Cause I really wanna skillup my leeza.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 18, 2015, 04:45:43 AM
...Oh hey this coin rotation has insect dragons on it.

If I run green insect dragon what is the difficulty with the best drop-to-stamina ratio? Expert?

'Cause I really wanna skillup my leeza.

Legend got me a lot of Cuatons during Pulseneedle. I think it's notably worse the more you go from there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 05:08:16 AM
So this is my full prediction/hope for Awoken Isis:

Awoken Isis <3
Water/Wood
Physical/Devil or Balance/God
Awakenings: Blue+, Blue+(or something random because gungho always adds at least one useless awakening), Bind-resist, Bind-Resist, Time+, Skill lock-resist, SB, SB
Active:
Clear 2 turns of bind and spawn a few random water orbs. 3 turn CD
LS: 3x ATK when matching 2Water/Wood or Water/2Wood, x6 for matching Water/Water/Wood/Wood

Materials: Awoken Sopdet, Ars Paulina/Armadel, Blue Jewel, Green Jewel, something else

Key subs: U&Y, Skuld, Starling/Reine, Andromeda

Reasons:
B/G is obvious with G/R Bastet
Typings depend on her evo food. Actually if she gets this leader skill then who cares what her typing is :V

No TPAs because her base attack sucks anyways. Instead you give utility to make the above team amazing.
8 skill boosts means all actives are up turn 1 except Skuld which takes 1 turn.
Time+ because it's been long overdue and you need a bit more time to make those combos.
Skill-lock resist so that you have 100% skill lock resistance with Andromeda + Skuld
You also have a shitton of blue +orbs for free damage

Active gets rid of the heal for random orb spawn and keeps the low turn CD. Maybe 1.5x or so water attack would work too. Keep the 2 turn bind heal part of course.
LS is just a Water/Wood version of Zuo, which would be amazing since it synergizes with the current B/G subs


So yeah if gungho makes her something like this I would be 100% satisfied

Bastet and Horus I guess would be similarish?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 18, 2015, 05:24:51 AM
So this is my full prediction/hope for Awoken Isis:

Awoken Isis <3
Water/Wood
Physical/Devil or Balance/God
Awakenings: Blue+, Blue+(or something random because gungho always adds at least one useless awakening), Bind-resist, Bind-Resist, Time+, Skill lock-resist, SB, SB
Active:
Clear 2 turns of bind and spawn a few random water orbs. 3 turn CD
LS: 3x ATK when matching 2Water/Wood or Water/2Wood, x6 for matching Water/Water/Wood/Wood

Materials: Awoken Sopdet, Ars Paulina/Armadel, Blue Jewel, Green Jewel, something else

Key subs: U&Y, Skuld, Starling/Reine, Andromeda

Reasons:
B/G is obvious with G/R Bastet
Typings depend on her evo food. Actually if she gets this leader skill then who cares what her typing is :V

No TPAs because her base attack sucks anyways. Instead you give utility to make the above team amazing.
8 skill boosts means all actives are up turn 1 except Skuld which takes 1 turn.
Time+ because it's been long overdue and you need a bit more time to make those combos.
Skill-lock resist so that you have 100% skill lock resistance with Andromeda + Skuld
You also have a shitton of blue +orbs for free damage

Active gets rid of the heal for random orb spawn and keeps the low turn CD. Maybe 1.5x or so water attack would work too. Keep the 2 turn bind heal part of course.
LS is just a Water/Wood version of Zuo, which would be amazing since it synergizes with the current B/G subs


So yeah if gungho makes her something like this I would be 100% satisfied

Bastet and Horus I guess would be similarish?

Would people like that? I mean, recalling the fuss they made over G/D Bastet, I would think you'd see some semblance of her old leader skill on there. Maybe it'd be like her old leader skill, plus a bonus if you matched water combos.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 05:50:39 AM
Hmm

Then I guess something like 3x for 3 atts, 2x for two water matches would effectively be the same strength but more Isis rainbow themed, although that does make picking subs trickier. Bodin reine u&y and uh not much for BR cept orochi

Especially if Horus gets something similar


So Bastet could be 3x for 5 combo 2x for wood wood
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 18, 2015, 06:19:06 AM
FUCK YES THEY WENT BACK TO G/L's DESIGN AS BASE FOR BASTET

This pic is <3

G/R omg

Worse come to worse she can be paired with verdandi frd so this gonna be gud
Hoping for double tpa but she'll keep her pre-G/D row so we'll have to see.

But I'm so glad the pic did not fall in quality even though they're rushing uevos out because this may possibly be bastet's last evo for a long long time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 18, 2015, 07:39:26 AM
Worse come to worse she can be paired with verdandi frd so this gonna be gud
Hoping for double tpa but she'll keep her pre-G/D row so we'll have to see.

did not consider using bastetxverdandi

that could be interesting if it allows verdandi to get a better multiplier tbh



nah she'll be a bad verdandi sub :hype:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 01:06:01 PM
I've been experiencing some framerate problems in PAD since upgrading my phone. Seemingly nothing that matters for gameplay, just stuttering in animations, but it's kind of annoying. I went from a Samsung Galaxy SII to a Samsung Galaxy SIII. The old phone never had any display problems with PAD and the new one should have even fewer, which makes me think this is a software thing. I looked through the options and couldn't find any graphics settings, but is there a setting I have to flip somewhere? Or am I missing an update or something? Does anyone know what causes this?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 18, 2015, 01:09:16 PM
Galaxy SIII is pretty notorious for bloatware.  I'd go through your phone and find any apps or processes that are running that might cause lag and uninstall/kill them, especially if you don't think you'll ever use them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 18, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
Though if it's like the S4 there's a good chunk of really dumb things that you simply CAN'T uninstall short of starting from scratch with a custom rom, which is the route I went down  :ohdear:

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 18, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
I've been experiencing some framerate problems in PAD since upgrading my phone. Seemingly nothing that matters for gameplay, just stuttering in animations, but it's kind of annoying. I went from a Samsung Galaxy SII to a Samsung Galaxy SIII. The old phone never had any display problems with PAD and the new one should have even fewer, which makes me think this is a software thing. I looked through the options and couldn't find any graphics settings, but is there a setting I have to flip somewhere? Or am I missing an update or something? Does anyone know what causes this?

I use a Galaxy Tab 2, I suffer Framerate issue when Audio is enabled. When I mute speakers and restart PAD, the problem is gone...

I play without audio so I never had the problem till I tried to play with audio once, let it go though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 18, 2015, 05:10:30 PM
This blodin team I threw together for fun turns out to be really quite good. 

(blodin/blodin/u&y/u&y/reine/friend-with-blue-leader)

I can't wait for his ult evo. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 05:18:33 PM
This blodin team I threw together for fun turns out to be really quite good. 

(blodin/blodin/u&y/u&y/reine/friend-with-blue-leader)

I can't wait for his ult evo. :V
this actually looks like it could actually take on challenge 10 with a blonia friend for rcv or something :V

wait blonia is physical only

might as well dual bodins then and be like beelz fuck healing you got hp
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 18, 2015, 06:46:19 PM
this actually looks like it could actually take on challenge 10 with a blonia friend for rcv or something :V

wait blonia is physical only

might as well dual bodins then and be like beelz fuck healing you got hp

and then beelze fucks you

(disclaimer, i have no idea if beelze is in there)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 18, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
this actually looks like it could actually take on challenge 10 with a blonia friend for rcv or something :V

wait blonia is physical only

might as well dual bodins then and be like beelz fuck healing you got hp

That team with double blodins has 3600 rcv with no +eggs, and three on-demand heals from the blodins.  That's almost half what my ronia team has after factoring in all plus eggs and both multipliers :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 18, 2015, 11:10:56 PM
wait so padx doesn't include stat boost awoken skills in Stat totals and weighted stats.

Persephone already has a wickedly high 762~ weighted stat total but her HP and ATK up push her just above 800 without any plus eggs.

it's okay I'll never ignore you again as long as I'm using mono-dark
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 11:19:04 PM
I am so bad at playing Kali. Having the last two skillboosts from Dmeta will be a huge help once the next couple of free Tamadras are here so I can have the crutch of Kali's active up on turn one. Playing with her has given me new respect for Sakuya and UmiYama (and I guess Durga) players. I don't know how people do this without a board change active.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 18, 2015, 11:32:16 PM
Sakuya has beefier HP plus we also get beefy HP tanks like Apollo and (lesser extent) Athena. I use Big Dog and Godin for HP on them Sakuya teams as well.
I mean sure Kali can also use Athena but what are you doing with green orbs?
you kali guys can also use Bodin too I guess

I never thought about it but Hera-Sowilo seems like a good (though huge) investment for Kali. Fills a weird dark gap and a 7-turn damage reduction? Admittedly, people would probably be more inclined to skill Izanami before Sowilo on any given day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2015, 11:36:50 PM
can someone put up thier luci? I need to farm some masks :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2015, 11:46:27 PM
A mono-white Kali team is interesting, but I don't think she really needs the bonus damage badly enough to justify it over just picking the most efficient subs. I don't know.

Maybe with SuperKali it would be worth it to just prioritize bulk over everything else and rely on the 36x attack and prongs to do all your damage? Maybe something like Kali/Izanami/Izanami/Ruka/Fuma/Kali? That team effectively has 28971 HP, and the recovery should be decent for something with three physicals on it just because the damage reduction is effectively a recovery multiplier and the other three are healers.

I've been looking at it as "Kali has bad HP which means I shouldn't even try to get HP and should go full offensive because I'll just die anyway", but maybe Kali's more offensive nature over Sakuya just means that I need to make up for it in defensive subs while Sakuya has to use offensive subs to do good damage. But when it comes down to it I'm just bad at clearing green and hearts off the board fast enough to keep my combos going reliably, and a bulky Kali team will only sort of mitigate that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 18, 2015, 11:58:41 PM
can someone put up thier luci? I need to farm some masks :derp:

I'd love to, but I dont' have any awakenings on him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 01:31:59 AM
Maybe I'm just fundamentally misunderstanding how to play a match-four leader. I keep getting into situations where I'm missing a single orb to make an activation, so I spend a turn clearing away as much green and pink as I can, as well as anything I have too much of. Almost all of the time this seems to result in a series of cascades that wipes most of the board and resets me back to a position where I just have a random setup and I'm now missing a single different orb and still can't activate. Am I doing the wrong thing here? Should I only be clearing a few orbs to avoid unfortunate skyfalls? To an extent there's probably confirmation bias at play here where I only remember the times things go terribly wrong, but it seems to lock me up for at least two or three turns virtually every run I do.

Incidentally, I've found that I nearly never get a successful activation that doesn't have six combos. Even accounting for prongs I don't think getting SuperKali's full activation should be a problem if I can get any activation at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 19, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
To be frank, a lot of my Sakuya success has come about by just matching everything I can if I'm still missing one color, and then a clutch TPA skyfall will randomly proc x25 when I need it most.

Trying to conserve orbs can't really be done effectively if you're trying to conserve four different colors at once while also keeping up your heart drops. Just matching everything and trying you get a fresher board altogether works best for me.

Besides. You have time extensions from Kali and all. Make use of them.

Edit: what options do attackers have as far as skill boosts go? I want to lead with Susano because 2/3rd uptime on 50% damage is really cool but that still means waiting for 15 turns to begin with.
Of the mobs I have, I only have Susano, Attackerasu, Suzaku, Athena, and the Flash but uggghh Athena.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 02:14:07 AM
Oh I do. That's the only way I can pull off the level of combos I do with her, since my combo skills are weak. But when I'm essentially clearing the whole board and crossing my fingers for a skyfall there's only so much I can do regardless of the combo count. I think I am getting better at trying to keep green off the board as I go along, and that has certainly helped my consistency some, but when you have a team as fragile as Kali your consistency has to be near-total and mine certainly isn't. I've been using her a lot for farming lately even at the risk of losing farm runs just to rack up experience with her, but I have a long way to go. Playing rows has kind of ruined my conventional combo skills and learning them at this stage in the game is weird.

Edit: Rows have kind of ruined my expectations for damage output too. I just cleared King Of The Gods with Kali and was shocked to see an 7-8 combo activation with prongs and x2 from Sun Quan not one-shot Zeus. Almost makes me wonder what the point of going to all this effort is. Of course the answer is "for variety" and "practice for SuperKali", but the contrast is shocking.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 19, 2015, 02:24:35 AM
see I wouldn't use Kali for farming
hell I don't even use Sakuya for regular farming ever because that's way too stressful. I think I've mentioned before that she's just my trump card for when every other team I have sucks too much.

Farm teams are farm teams because they have consistency and the farmiest of farm dungeons don't have massive HP pools to need x25. When it comes down to running descends or whatnot with Kali, you still have all the time in the world to figure out how exactly to proc x25 more when you need it.

If you -really- want to just practice Kali, take it to Endless Corridors.

Reedit: King of the Gods is kind of an outlier anyways and I wouldn't stress about him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 19, 2015, 02:25:59 AM
I've been looking at it as "Kali has bad HP which means I shouldn't even try to get HP and should go full offensive because I'll just die anyway", but maybe Kali's more offensive nature over Sakuya just means that I need to make up for it in defensive subs while Sakuya has to use offensive subs to do good damage. But when it comes down to it I'm just bad at clearing green and hearts off the board fast enough to keep my combos going reliably, and a bulky Kali team will only sort of mitigate that.

SuperKali actually has amazing HP with pluses and at base she only has 500 less HP than Kirin which considering she's a healer is actually goddamn amazing. Actually I feel like it's much better to plus your high-power subs for LKali than it is to cherrypick high HP subs. SuperKali and Fuma between them have pretty great HP. If you have Izanagi he has equivalent HP to Kirin and provides an enhance if for some reason you like that. Athena has high HP too. I dunno. My LKali team can does ridiculous damage and still has around 20K HP. Which is not bad when I don't have Fuma or LIzanami.

In fact I'd probably have far more HP if I used DMeta as my dark sub instead of D/L Yomi. But Mono-Light the dream.

Edit: Rows have kind of ruined my expectations for damage output too. I just cleared King Of The Gods with Kali and was shocked to see an 7-8 combo activation with prongs and x2 from Sun Quan not one-shot Zeus. Almost makes me wonder what the point of going to all this effort is. Of course the answer is "for variety" and "practice for SuperKali", but the contrast is shocking.

Depends on how many rows you have and how many rows you matched versus how many TPAs you have between your subs and how many TPAs you matched. My LKali's x36 with an enhance does around the same as Dmeta's x16 with enhance and 8 dark rows.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 02:39:31 AM
see I wouldn't use Kali for farming
hell I don't even use Sakuya for regular farming ever because that's way too stressful. I think I've mentioned before that she's just my trump card for when every other team I have sucks too much.

Farm teams are farm teams because they have consistency and the farmiest of farm dungeons don't have massive HP pools to need x25. When it comes down to running descends or whatnot with Kali, you still have all the time in the world to figure out how exactly to proc x25 more when you need it.

If you -really- want to just practice Kali, take it to Endless Corridors.

Reedit: King of the Gods is kind of an outlier anyways and I wouldn't stress about him.

I have this problem with video games where if things are too easy I zone out and have trouble focusing my attention later one when I need it. It's a problem in Touhou where I'm barely paying attention in the first two stages and I die to nonsense in the third stage, and it's a problem in Endless Corridors where I can never get in any good practice because I always die to negligence before getting to anything hard enough to be skill-testing. Unfortunately I think putting some stamina on the line is the incentive I need to pay enough attention to actually get practice. I'm not farming with her because it's efficient, just because it's an excuse to use her.

SuperKali actually has amazing HP with pluses and at base she only has 500 less HP than Kirin which considering she's a healer is actually goddamn amazing. Actually I feel like it's much better to plus your high-power subs for LKali than it is to cherrypick high HP subs. SuperKali and Fuma between them have pretty great HP. If you have Izanagi he has equivalent HP to Kirin and provides an enhance if for some reason you like that. Athena has high HP too. I dunno. My LKali team can does ridiculous damage and still has around 20K HP. Which is not bad when I don't have Fuma or LIzanami.

Depends on how many rows you have and how many rows you matched versus how many TPAs you have between your subs and how many TPAs you matched. My LKali's x36 with an enhance does around the same as Dmeta's x16 with enhance and 8 dark rows.

My +s are earmarked for Gabriel forever, so there's only so far I can go with that. Fortunately I've begun working on Sun Quan and I use him on both teams, but he's the only one. I have been meaning to search for more +297 Kali friends (I only have one) since I skillmaxed her. When you send out friend requests it's probably slot one that the person you're requesting sees, isn't it?

Unfortunately I don't have Fuma or Izanagi, but I do have dark Metatron and she's surprisingly buff. Until I pull some more stuff, which probably won't be for another four or five months, I think my team is more or less Kali/Kali/Metatron/Sun Quan/???/Kali, where ??? is Sonia Gran once she comes out or Ra, Athena, or Izanami for pending the dungeon. That's between 18288 and 19781 HP (actually more than that with +eggs), which is not bad, and I think it's got decent offense.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 19, 2015, 02:42:47 AM
My +s are earmarked for Gabriel forever, so there's only so far I can go with that. Fortunately I've begun working on Sun Quan and I use him on both teams, but he's the only one. I have been meaning to search for more +297 Kali friends (I only have one) since I skillmaxed her. When you send out friend requests it's probably slot one that the person you're requesting sees, isn't it?

Unfortunately I don't have Fuma or Izanagi, but I do have dark Metatron and she's surprisingly buff. Until I pull some more stuff, which probably won't be for another four or five months, I think my team is more or less Kali/Kali/Metatron/Sun Quan/???/Kali, where ??? is Sonia Gran once she comes out or Ra, Athena, or Izanami for pending the dungeon. That's between 18288 and 19781 HP (actually more than that with +eggs), which is not bad, and I think it's got decent offense.

When you send out friend requests the person you're requesting will see the leader of the team you last used, not the leader in your slot one, if I remember correctly. DMeta is a good stat stick and is my one-way ticket dark sub for Mephisto Descended, so definitely consider to build her up some. 
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 02:48:00 AM
When you send out friend requests the person you're requesting will see the leader of the team you last used, not the leader in your slot one, if I remember correctly.

Oh neat. I'll send some requests out before bed tonight.

DMeta is a good stat stick and is my one-way ticket dark sub for Mephisto Descended, so definitely consider to build her up some.

Thanks to present eggs mine is already maxed aside from two skillups and two awakenings. :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 19, 2015, 02:57:12 AM
Read past posts regarding x5 leads.

Kirin's gravity if you run her as a lead is not that terrible because of the sudden rise in popularity of Resolve in descend bosses - every descend boss since Sonia-Gran (including Sonia-Gran herself) has Resolve so far, even Kaguya-hime has Resolve at 75% HP. You can use Kirin's gravity bursts to help go past the Resolve threshold and then go for the kill. I think that's something worth noting.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 19, 2015, 03:28:36 AM
hey Thaws I ran into your goddamn buddy mr 1 C D  man

(http://i.imgur.com/Tsz0BK6.png)

Unfortunately for him Alraune charges her skill the next turn so welp gg ghfg'd

(http://i.imgur.com/Be9FFhj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/RMfddrt.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2015, 03:30:48 AM
aaaaaarg gungho pls show awoken Isis already

I legit can't wait aaaaaaaa :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 03:53:49 AM
I sent out a friend request to every +297 Kali on PDX who didn't expressly ask me not to, and I +5ed my friend slots. Hopefully tomorrow they're full of Kalis. After that I need +297 U/W Sun Quans, since I think he makes a very viable I&I replacement for my friend leader. Not sure that there are too many of those out there right now though, so I'll give it time.

Also, Gabriel is five HP +eggs from hypermax. I finished his attack as well just now. Monday is another x5 rates day, so I should definitely be able to finish him then.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 19, 2015, 04:12:59 AM
hey Thaws I ran into your goddamn buddy mr 1 C D  man

(http://i.imgur.com/Tsz0BK6.png)

Unfortunately for him Alraune charges her skill the next turn so welp gg ghfg'd

(http://i.imgur.com/Be9FFhj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/RMfddrt.png)

Hahaha huge props for using bastet for this.
I never do.
I should lv up an alraune.
Rip 1 c d
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 19, 2015, 05:54:56 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/578425708034199552

Ultimate Evolution Goemon
F/L
Physical / Dragon

AS: True Heavenly Ninja Arts Fireworks - Deal massive Fire ATK damages to an enemy, makes your HP = 1, turns the whole board Red
LS: Physical and Dragon types get a small ATK bonus (x1.2~). As HP decreases, ATK also increases, up to a maximum of x5

Blind Resist -> Red Rows
Added Skill Boost
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 19, 2015, 06:17:16 AM
... So he's amazing now.  Awright.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 19, 2015, 06:50:39 AM
Holy fuck goemon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 19, 2015, 06:52:45 AM
Holy fuck goemon.

The power of Naruto gives him strength. :getdown:

EDIT:

http://pad.gungho.jp/member/150319_sinka_goemon.html

Goemon UVO in Japan goes live tomorrow.

Grodin AS: Min CD now 9 turns
Bodin AS: Now also enhances Blue orbs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Bio on March 19, 2015, 08:03:36 AM
Now I have a reason to keep Blodin on Andro for more than the awakenings and stats.

Also like I said, 36x benchmarking.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 19, 2015, 11:27:24 AM
Bodin AS: Now also enhances Blue orbs

Having the highest weighted stats in the game, three skill boosts, three rows and three TPAs wasn't enough, now he also needs to enhance blue orbs.

I guess even gungho is a sucker for the blue's beard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 19, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
So that one-in-five skill up chance.

Went 0/4 for Yamato Takeru skill ups.
Went 1/1 for Marvelous Sonia.

gdi I don't even like you, Sonia. (http://imgur.com/zJ1CjDk)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
I now have more +297 Kalis than I could ever conceivably need. Good. Too much is better than not enough.

Also, why if the flying fuck did Gungho buff Blue Odin again? Did they give a reason? Green Odin didn't need help either, but Blue Odin definitely did not need to be buffed. Might as well throw some Juggler buffs in there too. :wat:

Goemon seems badass. The rows alone seem like they make him a thing. Is he a thing you think? And do we know anything about his need skill cooldowns? Hopefully it's something like 19 maximum, 16 minimum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 19, 2015, 01:10:53 PM
Grodin/Blodin's active wasn't really the most impressive thing on the planet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2015, 01:13:38 PM
so much for #goemonsux :v

and so much for the skill ups i have on him >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
Godin's was pretty badass as "significant amount of healing on demand with a negligible amount of damage attached", although it certainly wasn't the most impressive thing ever. But it didn't matter even a little, because their actives could have been "100% gravity on self while turning screen to poison" and they would've still been better than most things. Unless there's a good reason for it I'm missing (entirely possible) I'm not on board with buffing top-shelf monsters. :colbert:

and so much for the skill ups i have on him >_>

Yeah, that's... Yeah.

He's a badass sub now too. Kind of makes me wish I played red more.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 19, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
Goemon seems badass. The rows alone seem like they make him a thing. Is he a thing you think? And do we know anything about his need skill cooldowns? Hopefully it's something like 19 maximum, 16 minimum.

Looks like his minimum cooldown is 15 turns. If his ult drastically reduces the maximum cooldown a la Beelzebub and Hera-Is, then I would expect Goemon's maximum to be 19~20 without skillups.

looks like I found my last Yamato Takeru sub
Suzaku+Yamato Takeru = 2/3 fire board
Urd + Cao Cao = 2/3 fire board
Goemon = BURN EVERYTHING
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
HOLY FUCK

(http://i.imgur.com/Dg1tm81.png)

I FUCKING DID IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


its amazing what happens when you have all REM subs instead of all farmable crap and thus enough base stats to stall indefinitely on Thoth&Sopdet + enough TPAs to kill things without damage enhancers

i dont need you anymore muse BV although bodin would still be really nice


also max skilled low cooldown orb changers = OP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 19, 2015, 04:24:08 PM
Godin's was pretty badass as "significant amount of healing on demand with a negligible amount of damage attached", although it certainly wasn't the most impressive thing ever. But it didn't matter even a little, because their actives could have been "100% gravity on self while turning screen to poison" and they would've still been better than most things. Unless there's a good reason for it I'm missing (entirely possible) I'm not on board with buffing top-shelf monsters. :colbert:


He was losing favor in row teams because he his active pretty much did nothing, and the actives are by far the most important thing in row teams, especially now that the heroes have gotten ultimates that make getting skill boosts and rows a lot easier while providing a great active. Red Odin's the same boat, but he's popular because the JP whales love to use him for speed farming stuff like vault. Tbh, seeing how they attached that nuke on to him, they were probably thinking of the speed farmers when they did that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 19, 2015, 04:44:28 PM
[12:39] <Chirei> okay so apparently i'm really really bad at thursday mythical
[12:39] <Chirei> like really bad
[12:39] <Chirei> I forgot to activate 12.25x on the dragon plants
[12:40] <Chirei> which is probably why I didn't want to do this in the first place
[12:40] <Chirei> but apparently they have a first turn counter move called bind whip
[12:40] <Chirei> and the initial strike was still powerful enough that it killed one of them and left the rest unsynced
[12:41] <Chirei> so after taking THREE of these bind whips in a row
[12:41] <Chirei> i'm down to one leilan and one sub, and the last plant is about to strike dragon me
[12:41] <Chirei> it's a lost cause, right?
[12:41] <rdj522> Said sub was Alraune. :V
[12:41] <Chirei> http://i.imgur.com/iMBcZEb.png hell no, you just fucking anubis your way through it
[12:41] <rdj522> oh welp
[12:41] <Chirei> when alraune isn't there to help me you just fucking git gud

(http://i.imgur.com/iMBcZEb.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 05:10:18 PM
I chopped a lot of bloatware out of my phone and I'm still getting slowdown in PAD. I must have something running that shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 19, 2015, 05:25:45 PM
Did you try turning all the sound off as well?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
In-app? Yes, my PAD sound is always off.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 19, 2015, 06:00:21 PM
Maybe there's something else from this list that you can try and kill? (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqTvctlW89DtdC1qVUlLeVFTV3ZOdUtDclpBdVRQOUE&pli=1#gid=0)

I can ask MJP for advice he might have some ideas if it's still a problem.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2015, 07:47:43 PM
Quote
The following monsters have been removed from the Rare Egg Machine:

★6
515 Princess Valkyrie

★5
318 Wood Mech Warrior, Asgard
317 Water Mech Warrior, Midgard
316 Flame Mech Warrior, Jotunn
226 Great Valkyrie

★4
225 Valkyrie
83 Earth Guardian
81 Ice Guardian
79 Flame Guardian

★3
82 Earth Golem
80 Ice Golem
78 Flame Golem

-----
Drop probabilities for the following monsters have also decreased:

★3
300 Piedra
297 Fairlio
294 Toytops
291 Shardra
288 Drall
praise the lord
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 19, 2015, 08:48:30 PM
praise the lord

I thought this already happened. I told my little brother and he was sad because he really wants a blue golem for his U&Y team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2015, 10:35:16 PM
oh wow on top of being goddamn x36 for being below 20%, Goemon is x9 for just below 50%

also his active does a nuke for 200k! It's almost as strong as Luci's nuke on half the cooldown wtf

and ronias work as a perfect sub for him


get rekted athena there's a new king of farmables
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 19, 2015, 10:59:23 PM


get rekted athena there's a new king of farmables

Nah, Athena's so much easier and brainless. I would take her over goemon for farming any day if I could help it. HP conditionals are annoying.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 19, 2015, 11:01:10 PM
oh wow on top of being goddamn x36 for being below 20%, Goemon is x9 for just below 50%

also his active does a nuke for 200k! It's almost as strong as Luci's nuke on half the cooldown wtf

and ronias work as a perfect sub for him


get rekted athena there's a new king of farmables

'just' below 50%

athena is still going to benchpress him generally i feel, most of his problems still exist, he's just worth it now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 11:28:47 PM
Legendary Earth is supposed to be random, right? I had never done it before so I tried with Gabriel just now. This is what happened.

Floor one: Three high emeralds, one high ruby.

Floor two: Two king emeralds

Floor three: Two king emeralds

Floor four: Two king emeralds

Then I don't know what floor five was because I tried to clear floor four with no orbchangers to go in to the last floor with all my actives up and died.

What the fuck? Well, there's that whole "fuck you for not play black or white" thing AGAIN. Although if I had just brought Cleopatra it wouldn't have really been a problem, so that's my fault I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2015, 11:35:21 PM
'just' below 50%

athena is still going to benchpress him generally i feel, most of his problems still exist, he's just worth it now
eh it helps that his base HP is ridiculously high

and now you're guaranteed to get max damage off his active, so the only time you have to manage your HP is in the early part of the stage where you want to stall anyways. Then you can just auto nuke every boss near the end with goemon actives. If there's a preemptive you can just use yamato or uriel for the heal damage combo.

but yeah athena is still better for farming i guess, although goemon has her beat if you have 4 rodins lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2015, 11:58:37 PM
Maybe there's something else from this list that you can try and kill? (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqTvctlW89DtdC1qVUlLeVFTV3ZOdUtDclpBdVRQOUE&pli=1#gid=0)

I can ask MJP for advice he might have some ideas if it's still a problem.

Alright, went through and disabled a bunch more stuff. Almost nothing left now. The animations still seem to be stuttering a little. I think it's better than it was, but maybe I'm just being picky and it's always been like this and I just never noticed. It's certainly not terrible. I don't think it should effect gameplay at all, at any rate.

What is effected gameplay though is the clear protective film that was applied to my screen when I bought the phone. It's very well-applied, which is difficult to do so I don't want to peel it off, but the slipperiness has messed me up a few times. I think it makes diagonals a lot more difficult. Probably just because I'm not used to it, but it is a little bit of a problem. I probably should remove it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2015, 01:50:35 AM
lmao goemon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFNMC0nO5w)

man if Isis isn't at least x6 i will be pissed...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 20, 2015, 01:58:19 AM
lmao goemon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFNMC0nO5w)

man if Isis isn't at least x6 i will be pissed...

gat dam
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2015, 02:01:37 AM
so someone did goemon active with orb enhance

it did 24 million damage

yep
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 20, 2015, 02:02:35 AM
so someone did goemon active with orb enhance

it did 24 million damage

yep

uh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 20, 2015, 02:22:29 AM
eh it helps that his base HP is ridiculously high

and now you're guaranteed to get max damage off his active, so the only time you have to manage your HP is in the early part of the stage where you want to stall anyways. Then you can just auto nuke every boss near the end with goemon actives. If there's a preemptive you can just use yamato or uriel for the heal damage combo.

but yeah athena is still better for farming i guess, although goemon has her beat if you have 4 rodins lol

>4 rodins

suikama plz.

lmao goemon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFNMC0nO5w)

man if Isis isn't at least x6 i will be pissed...

-suikama plz-.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2015, 02:33:03 AM
it's not like he has to use iap subs

gigas, echidna, hera-ur, and whatever, basically whatever you used before

just now you don't have to prep for the boss which was the worst thing and made me hate goemon because whenever I tried endless corridors or even King of Gods with him I would always get skyfall heart orbs on the sub final boss making me 100% fucked vs Zeus


also the fact that a max 20.25x combo and triple TPAs with Isis on my current team deals a total of 2 million makes me sad
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 20, 2015, 03:32:15 AM
lmao goemon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFNMC0nO5w)

man if Isis isn't at least x6 i will be pissed...

lol paprika :v

it's not like he has to use iap subs

gigas, echidna, hera-ur, and whatever, basically whatever you used before

just now you don't have to prep for the boss which was the worst thing and made me hate goemon because whenever I tried endless corridors or even King of Gods with him I would always get skyfall heart orbs on the sub final boss making me 100% fucked vs Zeus

wtb>farmable subs with rows
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2015, 03:44:17 AM
dual goemon already has 4 rows so it's not bad

here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M2KlzueGbc&feature=youtu.be) he has only 7 rows and one goemon active + orb enhance deals over 20 million damage which is way overkill.

in fact I don't think the orb enhance was even necessary because it added x3.64 so without it he still would have done over 5 million
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 20, 2015, 04:16:26 AM
dual goemon already has 4 rows so it's not bad

here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M2KlzueGbc&feature=youtu.be) he has only 7 rows and one goemon active + orb enhance deals over 20 million damage which is way overkill.

in fact I don't think the orb enhance was even necessary because it added x3.64 so without it he still would have done over 5 million

Yeah, we're looking at a guy who could pump out 5million before awakenings even existed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 20, 2015, 07:17:28 AM
so I decided to call upon the power of the bathroom once more

(http://i.imgur.com/EgVQiTs.png)

I don't know how to feel about this. I think he's better than the Light one for me though???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Aoshi-shi on March 20, 2015, 12:16:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HMZQ40A.png)

 :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 20, 2015, 02:01:33 PM
What is effected gameplay though is the clear protective film that was applied to my screen when I bought the phone. It's very well-applied, which is difficult to do so I don't want to peel it off, but the slipperiness has messed me up a few times. I think it makes diagonals a lot more difficult. Probably just because I'm not used to it, but it is a little bit of a problem. I probably should remove it.
Yeah take that off and get one off like eBay or something that's made for more regular use.

:toot:
:toot:

lmao goemon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFNMC0nO5w)
rofl
ok double sexy and would revive my red team I waaaant

Also Beezly sure is easy with LKali...
....if you don't get orb trolled on board one  :ohdear:

ALRIGHT KIDS LET'S GET THEM GREEN ORBS
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 20, 2015, 04:26:14 PM
Don't roll weapon carnival. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rDTI2KvPTjU/VQxJHMGQhXI/AAAAAAAAAw8/kGi3eJcDPWY/w506-h900/15%2B-%2B1)


This game fucking hates me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2015, 04:31:25 PM
hey at least you got a val-

oh you already have that one

rip chaore
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 20, 2015, 05:04:28 PM
So friendly reminder that y'all can do this while flowers+insects are in the coin dungeon rotations!

(http://i.imgur.com/Ec3JvHA.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 20, 2015, 05:06:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o4YuwO3l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/o4YuwO3.jpg)

Belial I don't want to have to drop actives on you because Beelzebub's sub-water but you're going to make me, aren't you. :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 20, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
Carnival Yoloroll = Belial.

I guess it's fine since he's a devil and fire and all but I would prefer it if he actually had a skillup mat so he wouldn't be such a shitty orbchanger until I get twenty flampys.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 20, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o4YuwO3l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/o4YuwO3.jpg)

Belial I don't want to have to drop actives on you because Beelzebub's sub-water but you're going to make me, aren't you. :(
You have no clue how many times I saw a similar screen when trying to beat that stage in the Descend Challenge...  ugh.  Stage is a paiiiin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 20, 2015, 08:59:08 PM
Don't roll weapon carnival. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rDTI2KvPTjU/VQxJHMGQhXI/AAAAAAAAAw8/kGi3eJcDPWY/w506-h900/15%2B-%2B1)


This game fucking hates me.

I got a second Ra. What a spiteful game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2015, 11:35:44 PM
oh hey tamadra retreat today

at this point i dont think i could ever have enough tamas

also how much longer do we have to wait for more awoken egypt info gungho pls ;-;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
I got a second Ra. What a spiteful game.

Hey, I pulled three Ras in four pulls once. So yes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2015, 11:57:06 PM
if you can skill them all up then you have a really fast super king farming team :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 21, 2015, 12:15:11 AM
I am actually going to max one out since he's a half-decent Kali sub. Plys Awoken Ra will probably be worth having three of.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 21, 2015, 12:49:03 AM
There's no point in max skilling a Ra you're going to awaken because his skill will change :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 21, 2015, 12:54:18 AM
Yup. Probably what, 7,777 damage and extend move time for a turn or something? Maybe 77,777 damage? Or 777,777?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 21, 2015, 12:59:52 AM
7777 damage + orb refresh would be nice imo, although it might break the game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 21, 2015, 01:26:28 AM
Not necessarily. It still doesn't guarantee that you'd get all necessary orbs. It'd be a nice addition.

What Ra really needs though are better awakenings. Good god they're awful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 21, 2015, 01:30:35 AM
well obviously d kali active would be better but that would be straight up OP so orb refresh is the nest best thing :V

also yes pls give him another bind resist, and like 3 time+ :V


also 9 tama retreat runs

6 normal tamas

6 awakenings off babies, so not bad although a ton of the babies were failures
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 21, 2015, 01:49:23 AM
two

a big tama and 4 awakenings from babies

full awoken lkali and left karin at 2
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 21, 2015, 02:12:41 AM
2 runs of TAMA~ TAMA~ myself.

5 baby
2 big
1 chibi

last 4 Awakes on DMeta
first Awake on Princess Valk.

Not a bad haul at ALL, and DMeta being fully Awakened is gonna be greeeaaaat for Karin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 21, 2015, 02:48:32 AM
I did one run because I forgot these alt dungeons are shit and I miscounted on ranking up. Two baby, one adult, one chibi. Took all three, but I got my last awakening on Dmeta.

Also got Liu Bei ultimate evolved earlier, so he next. For Verdandi and the rare times I run GZL I guess. It's just weird that I hadn't done him up before now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 21, 2015, 09:34:58 AM
Had to drop a stone because Michael is a dick but Armadel get. She's the only one I actually wanted, so I'm satisfied. First try too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 21, 2015, 11:54:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/c8B1aDw.png)

Thief and his 2 cattewomans get the job done.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 21, 2015, 01:27:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JzCA7Tu.jpg)

Ten turn skill binds can't stop the Beelzebub train! No-stoned this shit. Ceres was one turn away from ready so even if I didn't kill the boss, I could facetank her gtfo attack twice.

Because, really, 22000~ damage is chip damage.

I also suppose Theurgia is what I need most for Urd so double success!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 21, 2015, 02:10:18 PM
Ah Michael, my greatest enemy. I have ultimate Sun Quan now, so getting thatblast single point of damage on him should be fine now. But I'm just a few HP under being able to just tank his biggest hit. This time next week I'll probably be able to do it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 21, 2015, 02:29:04 PM
Went back and did Legend for the stone. Breaking high defense enemies like Michael is a lot easier when you run TPAs instead of rows, as you only need one person to deal enough damage...

Well. Got another Theurgia out of it, which I don't mind because I don't know if I want or need the other two.

Got 38,555 points on D/L Anubis mode in the PAD challenge app. (http://imgur.com/tWluL92)
If you don't have it, go get it because it's mad fun. It's one thing trying to proc L/L Ra or Anubis in a dungeon. It's another thing trying to proc them six/five times in three minutes for a good score.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 21, 2015, 05:36:18 PM
Got Armadel and Theurgia. I call bullshit on Armadel's heartbreaker being 30%, I swear she used it every time I had hearts on the board. Not that it mattered, but it was annoying.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 21, 2015, 06:02:05 PM
wow grimore descend is easy even on mythical. on dangerous part is the chance of accidentally knocking undine to low hp

alright time to farm for Paulina for Awoken Isis

>Armadel
>Theurgia
>Theurgia

...this is gonna be fuuuunnn


and then i knocked undine to low hp

thanks obama



so it turns out sonia grand WONT heal back to full if your HP is below 10k (or 1?)

this mean goemon can effectively one hit her with an active (since the next turn she just powers up and then you deal 1 damage to win)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 21, 2015, 10:34:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LwERVFT.jpg)

My Anubis came in useful. PAD challenge app practice was useful for PAD Challenge mode.

Maybe I should field Anubis/Ronia/Ronia/Wee Jas/Chrono Turtle/Anubis one day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 21, 2015, 11:29:26 PM
my laziness to fully awaken U&Y cost me 2 stones as Paulina survived with a tiny sliver of life twice >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 22, 2015, 04:55:45 AM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TGZ0ncDBS_k/VQ5K9Vxt8hI/AAAAAAAAAyU/E5Y-fgkxpjk/w385-h684-no/15%2B-%2B1)

this should not have taken as many tries as it did

also it was paulina so my victory does not feel legit, how sad
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 22, 2015, 01:00:16 PM
So what do you guys think of the farmable Grimoires? Are they actuslly usable? They've got bad stats and awakenings, but their actives seem really good to me. Would you actually consider using them, particularly on a Norn team? I'm thinking about trying to skillup them, but not sure if worth the effort.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 22, 2015, 02:49:36 PM
Failed a single attempt trying to scope the place out with my default setup. I took a few hours to think and came back with a setup that 0-stones this pretty easily!

(http://i.imgur.com/QCapnjW.png) (http://i.imgur.com/dMrf654.png) (http://i.imgur.com/y0Abc9L.png) (http://i.imgur.com/qy8flO8.png)

So what do you guys think of the farmable Grimoires? Are they actuslly usable? They've got bad stats and awakenings, but their actives seem really good to me. Would you actually consider using them, particularly on a Norn team? I'm thinking about trying to skillup them, but not sure if worth the effort.

I think Paulina's kinda eh for Skuld. She literally does nothing except being an enhancer, and I have no idea how powerful that is on a TPA team. The green subelement she gets when evolved might as well not be there because her RCV tops out at 0. You'd probably want to put +rcv eggs on things that are less situational in the end, or Skuld herself. Theurgia is only worth it on Urd due to her terrible HP, and Almadel is probably straight up the best of them all, as she is deficient in nothing and G/R is the most common of the combinations.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 22, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Yeah, I've got a lot of fun green/red options. But they are all very prong-heavy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 22, 2015, 04:40:58 PM
Failed a single attempt trying to scope the place out with my default setup. I took a few hours to think and came back with a setup that 0-stones this pretty easily!

(http://i.imgur.com/QCapnjW.png) (http://i.imgur.com/dMrf654.png) (http://i.imgur.com/y0Abc9L.png) (http://i.imgur.com/qy8flO8.png)

I think Paulina's kinda eh for Skuld. She literally does nothing except being an enhancer, and I have no idea how powerful that is on a TPA team. The green subelement she gets when evolved might as well not be there because her RCV tops out at 0. You'd probably want to put +rcv eggs on things that are less situational in the end, or Skuld herself. Theurgia is only worth it on Urd due to her terrible HP, and Almadel is probably straight up the best of them all, as she is deficient in nothing and G/R is the most common of the combinations.

And this is why I'm glad I got Armadel on my first try.  (she has the best art of the three, too!)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 22, 2015, 06:08:07 PM
And this is why I'm glad I got Armadel on my first try.  (she has the best art of the three, too!)

the game keeps giving me paulinas

i think she heard me talking shit about her and decided to troll me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 22, 2015, 06:19:52 PM
Oh Mephisto skill up dungeon hits tomorrow?
It's not like this coin dungeon rotation is any good. MY ANUBIS IS READY
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 22, 2015, 06:22:55 PM
Mephisto, more like awful :colbert:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 22, 2015, 06:53:21 PM
Do you know how starved I am for Light attackers?

Besides, I can get my last Susano skill up, and there's a .01% chance of an Amaterasu skill up on Wednesday.

when it comes down to it, I really want to Mephisto/Beelzebub/Byakko/CDD/???/Mephisto and pretend I'm using DMeta but in reality who else is going to use fucking Mephisto?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 22, 2015, 11:10:26 PM
praise the pem

(http://i.imgur.com/ZAOLzgN.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 22, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
you should probably save your pal points because we might be getting the evo mat only machine soon :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Dorakyura on March 22, 2015, 11:25:22 PM
What you say this is not an evo mashine? I though we had crappy pull drops event at the moment.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 22, 2015, 11:46:17 PM
Every single time I beat grimoire mythical I get theurgia

The one time I did legend it was theurgia

halp :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 23, 2015, 12:12:15 AM
you should probably save your pal points because we might be getting the evo mat only machine soon :V

I really wish we ever got the jewel dragons PEM events any more. I can just farm any mats now, I would much rather have the experience. Or at the very least a skillups PEM that just drops fairies and chasers and pirates and stuff.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 01:13:25 AM
Every single time I beat grimoire mythical I get theurgia

The one time I did legend it was theurgia

halp :(
this is why i stoned Paulina

not cause i couldn't beat her

but because i might not ever see her again
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 23, 2015, 03:41:43 AM
I really wish we ever got the jewel dragons PEM events any more. I can just farm any mats now, I would much rather have the experience. Or at the very least a skillups PEM that just drops fairies and chasers and pirates and stuff.

py fest
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 23, 2015, 06:33:31 AM
I really wish we ever got the jewel dragons PEM events any more. I can just farm any mats now, I would much rather have the experience. Or at the very least a skillups PEM that just drops fairies and chasers and pirates and stuff.

100% pii drop on pem

but it costs 5k per pull
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 23, 2015, 12:04:33 PM
:)

(http://i.imgur.com/nRYiDvY.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: triangles on March 23, 2015, 01:14:44 PM
oh bb :3

I ran Grimores twice yesterday (second time was Legend too whoops tapping is hard) and got both Armadel and Paulina.  I have no idea what I'm going to do with them but Paulina is pretty so got that going for her at least.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 23, 2015, 01:28:02 PM
BEHOLD MY POWER, AND DESPAIR

(http://i.imgur.com/nFNfybT.png) (http://i.imgur.com/yk6gNTl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/fotNIAn.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 23, 2015, 01:29:32 PM
chirei plz

you're going to break suikama even more
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 23, 2015, 01:45:01 PM
chirei plz

you're going to break suikama even more

suecommer is a man, he can take it

If not, let him be pulverized into dust, so that Awoken Isis may breathe new life into him, and be reborn in the infinite cycle.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 01:58:35 PM
;-;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 23, 2015, 01:59:52 PM
suecommer is a man, he can take it

If not, let him be pulverized into dust, so that Awoken Isis may breathe new life into him, and be reborn in the infinite cycle.

In before the only Awoken Egypt we will see is Awoken Bastet / Horus / Ra.

RIP Suecomma.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 02:25:18 PM
In before the only Awoken Egypt we will see is Awoken Bastet / Horus / Ra.

RIP Suecomma.
i just know this is gonna fucking happen

gonna jump off a cliff now to save some trouble
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 23, 2015, 02:29:44 PM
Awoken Anubis that provides orb time+ as part of leader skill please?

I can consistently get seven combos but ugghhh I realize how much orb trolling sucks when you really want nine combos.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Jq1790 on March 23, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
>plays gold bowl on Legend, beats with little issue
>Plays Mythical
>Chickenbowl
>"Hey, werent people saying this thimg was death?"
>Taste Stinger
>"Yuuuuup.  That's death."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 23, 2015, 03:57:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OlY5yWOl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/OlY5yWO.jpg)

Now to never run Mythical again because that was really stressful:

--My subelements were such that a wave of synced shrimp would probably kill me
--Popped Echidna on Chickenbowl, taking away my safety net for Gasho
--If I hadn't oneshot Gasho with Verche + Athena + Izanagi anyway, there's no guarantee I'd have been able to pop Valkyrie for another attempt because Gasho converts two colors to jammers for a couple turns before exploding
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 04:04:37 PM
actually i think it only converts two ORBS not colors

also the bowl invades are the worst

I've gotten killed by Muse bowl taste stinger so many times (good thing i dont have a muse to skill up AMIRIGHT :colonveeplusalpha:)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 23, 2015, 04:07:23 PM
The wording for the skill on PDX is the same as for Lemon Dragon's shower (which definitely converts an entire color to hearts), so it doesn't sound like something I want to deal with regardless. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 04:12:57 PM
lol they're buffing Vegito to have the highest stats in the game

his weighed stat total is literally OVER NINE THOUS-er HUNDREDDD


his active also deals 100k damage IGNORING DEF
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 23, 2015, 05:29:30 PM
So it looks like PDX probably got Gasho's HP wrong for Legend, since 3grav + Wrath of God + 2MS just flat out killed it instead of leaving me some 80k to TPA away.

Probably won't be farming it this time around but that's good to know. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 23, 2015, 06:07:15 PM
Japanese PAD rankings as of today.  These are the rankings for leads.

http://xn--0ck4aw2h.gamewith.jp/article/show/8805

10/10
Juggler

9.5/10
Yamato Takeru
Andromeda
Perseus
Sun Wukong
Pandora
Osiris
Hathor
Beelzebub

9/10
Minerva
Ceres
Lakshmi
Vritra
Anubis
Krishna
Sarasvati
Red Odin
Red Guan Yu
Green Zhuge Liang
Light Zhuge Liang
Light Kali
Verdandi
Skuld
Dark Fagan

8.5/10
Neptune
Ame-no-Uzume
Okuninushi
Cao Cao
Liu Bei
Lu Bu
Set
Nut
Nepthys
Dark Metatron
Red Sonia
Green Guan Yu
Dark Kali
Urd
Athena
Sonia Gran
Zaerog
Light Fagan
Santa Kirin

8/10
Venus
Kagetsuchi
Parvati
Indra
Freyr
Horus
Isis
Bastet
Ra
FA Lucifer
Kirin
U&Y
Kushinadahime
Izanagi
Qiaos
Vishnu
Ganesha
Green Sonia
Blue Sonia
DQ Hera-Ur
Dark Valkyrie
Souther

I have to admit I straight up don't understand some of these rankings.  Sub rankings are different of course.  I also left out collab monsters besides Juggler (because lol).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 23, 2015, 06:20:05 PM
They really like farm leads, that's why stuff like Red Odin is up so high.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 23, 2015, 06:24:11 PM
They really like farm leads, that's why stuff like Red Odin is up so high.

Explains Vritra too.

What in the hell explains Souther?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 23, 2015, 06:37:05 PM
9.5/10
Beelzebub

One true farmable leader <3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 23, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Surprised to see Ame No Uzume so high. I've alwayd liked her but everyone else seems to hate her. Does she have a buff that only exists in JP or something?

And since my phone doesn't have a translator, can anyone tell me where Gabriel ranks?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
He's basically a mini hero god, and considering Hero gods are all 9.5 he's still good even if he has less power

Also his active is an auto Wukong activation 0 effort needed


What's interesting is Isis being in the same tier as Kirin and U&Y, although I guess that tier 8 basically means you can use them to clear most if not all dungeons but there are better options.


Also lol Beelz is top tier I guess he really is Beelzebae :V

Surprised to see Ame No Uzume so high. I've alwayd liked her but everyone else seems to hate her. Does she have a buff that only exists in JP or something?

And since my phone doesn't have a translator, can anyone tell me where Gabriel ranks?
Gabe is 5.5 for leader, 8.0 for sub.


Also Edible that list is missing a bunch of the collab leaders

Like Raoh is listed as 9.0
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 23, 2015, 06:50:10 PM
Dual skill-maxed Amenouzume is like a permanent 1.5/12.25/1.5 for Fire mobs. Aside from her own active skill being only so-so, she has a really high overall multiplier.

Gabriel ranks 5.5/8 for Leader/Sub rating. I wonder if Beyzul swapping is considered viable at all in JP? Contrast with Beelzebub who seemingly got 9.5/6.5

How did Persephone get only 8.0 for sub? :/

lol Beyzul has a higher leader rating than sub rating
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 06:54:27 PM
Persey still has shitty awkenings

Meanwhile other dark orb changer subs have only gotten better like ult pandora and black valk
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 23, 2015, 06:56:11 PM
Yeah, the high multipliers are Uzume's while thing. That's why I like her. Never did understand why she was so disliked. When her skillups come back I'm totally maxing her.

lol Beyzul has a higher leader rating than sub rating

Wait, what? That's so remarkably wrong that it kind of makes the whole list whack, doesn't it? I can't even guess at how that happened.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 23, 2015, 06:58:38 PM
I suppose Beyzul is used as a pseudo-LZL effect, only spanning the entirety of blue mobs under his wings. If you're not taking damage, then 16x is really powerful for farming and all.
Would also explain why Fagan in all of his incarnations is high up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 23, 2015, 07:02:07 PM
Yeah, I guess the farm lead thing was mentioned. But I farm with Gabriel all the time and I would still almost never put Beyzul directly in my lead slot. That's crazy talk.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 23, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
Also Edible that list is missing a bunch of the collab leaders

Like Raoh is listed as 9.0

Yeah, I was going to go through and add them all but I got lazy and just used a truncated list with basically no collab stuff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 23, 2015, 07:24:56 PM
... I don't see TAMADRApurin in there at all.
 :qq:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 23, 2015, 08:04:44 PM
And as a SPECIAL BONUS, here are the sub rankings.  I'll add in the collab stuff too.  Note that this one's much longer.

10/10
Pandora

9.5/10
Red Odin
Yamato Takeru
Sun Wukong
Dark Kali

9/10
Red Sonia
Fire Valk
Kagutsuchi
Leilan
Chibi Ronia (rofl)
Minerva
Chiyome
Andromeda
Liu Bei
Meimei
Perseus
Avalon Drake
Fuma Kotaro
Amaterasu
L/F Rococo (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1887)
Da Qiao
Mini Valk
Light Kali
Dark Metatron
Haku
Dark Valk
Hanzo

8.5/10
F/L Rococo (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1886)
Vegetto
Red Guan Yu
Echidna
Naga (rofl)
Ares
Uriel
Red Chester
Raoh
Hermes
Famiel
Hatsume
Blue Valk
Blue Odin
Wetatron
Skuld
Blue Sonia
Freya
Thief
Michael
Green Valk
Verdandi
Green Sonia
Delgado
Green Guan Yu
Indra
Apollo
Dragon Rider
Venus
Light Metatron
Rei Sirius
Sonia Gran
Light Zhuge Liang
Loki
Juggler
Vegeta
Ramiel
Chester
FA Luci
Vritra


8/10
Freyr
Belial
Strawberry Dragon
Mamiya
Urd
Prometheus
Rozuel
Theurgia
Karin
Nut
Trunks
Neptune
Muse
Gabriel
Toki
Idunn & Idunna
Paulina
Astaroth
Osiris
Tenshinhan
Odin
Artemis
Armadel
Marine Rider
Kushinadahime
Leeza
Ceres
Susano
Green Zhuge Liang
Parvati
Thor
Athena
Ariel
Ars Nova
Apocalypse
Baal
Izanagi
Souther
Super Zeus (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1496)
Dark Izanami
Gryps Rider
Mayaka Pierdra (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1492)
Lu Bu
Persephone
Nephthys
Dragon Shogun
Durga
Tsukuyomi
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 08:10:14 PM
I feel like Pandora is number 1 only because of Juggler synergy


also that shade of yellow is impossible to read :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 23, 2015, 08:12:35 PM
:)

(http://i.imgur.com/nRYiDvY.png)

Whoa you evolved that Cauchemar quick.
I see the tamadrought is real though.

I'll just not take the rating list seriously :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 08:17:02 PM
Wait this list has awoken parvati and Lakshi but no Gaidus?

Also wow Lakshi is 9 while Parvati is 8? I'm guessing it has to do with TPA vs Rows?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 23, 2015, 08:24:53 PM
Yeah I didn't see gaidus yet, maybe not enough people have them whereas plenty have parvati/lakshmi?

Also, apparently we're getting awoken shiva and cao cao uevos next.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 23, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
Lakshmi being good has to do with being in the Big Blue family, and how 2.25x rcv compliments physical's high hp low rcv perfectly.

Parvati on the other hand had crappy hp and excess rcv. Green also has less orb change choices that don't conflict with parvati
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 23, 2015, 09:01:40 PM
I dunno man, I can make her work:

Parvati / Odin / Michael / Liu Bei / Susano

Put in ADK or Asgard or Meimei (only with Michael though)  as needed.

May not be big blue but they can do work.

(The fact that Lakshmi gets BOdin and Noah and the like for HP options though...)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 09:12:38 PM
yeah lakshi is a hardhitting tank

a hypermaxed team has like 27k hp or something and her active almost heals her to full

you're also skill lock immune thanks to all the resists on lakshi + andromeda

she isn't bind immune though like parvati, but parvati has no way of healing binds while blue has a whole bunch of bind heal awakenings as well as best girl Isis :3


the HP actually makes the biggest different though I think, because there a lot of 20k+ hits now in lategame dungeons which lakshi can tank + shrug off with an active while lower HP teams can't survive at all
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 23, 2015, 09:42:27 PM
So much for Lakshmi being oh-so-bad, huh. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 23, 2015, 09:58:23 PM
well her awakenings are still silly and would be a lot better if it was focused on something like rows or skillboosts.

but i suppose when you have Bodin as an available sub then none of that matters :V

also her active cooldown is still a bit long. never had any qualms with her leader skill
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Chaore on March 24, 2015, 12:22:36 AM
Man I'm with thaws.

That list seems like straight garbage, fitting from what I've heard from gamewith in the past :v

Edit: Also what Suikama said. It's less she's great and more her options are amazing because 'literally all of blue' is a really big field.

As a solo card she's still not very impressive.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 24, 2015, 02:40:47 AM
So much for Lakshmi being oh-so-bad, huh. :V

She's not bad, she's just plagued by the same thing as most strong blue leaders - her best teams are all REM-heavy as fuck

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 24, 2015, 02:53:26 AM
She's not bad, she's just plagued by the same thing as most strong blue leaders - her best teams are all REM-heavy as fuck

If you have Karin, you can Amberjack it up. Being just a "blue" leader means you can also just toss whatever other blue orb conversions you happen to have on it and have a ball.

x25 is powerful enough that you can probably get away with using Ruka+Siegfried or something anyways and use Lakshmi to convert Light+Wood to heal later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 24, 2015, 02:54:38 AM
If you have Karin, you can Amberjack it up. Being just a "blue" leader means you can also just toss whatever other blue orb conversions you happen to have on it and have a ball.

x25 is powerful enough that you can probably get away with using Ruka+Siegfried or something anyways and use Lakshmi to convert Light+Wood to heal later.

There aren't very many farmable blue subs with blue rows or abundance in TPA, is my main concern.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 24, 2015, 03:05:48 AM
There aren't very many farmable blue subs with blue rows or abundance in TPA, is my main concern.

I've got high hopes for ultimate Beyzul. He could get a second row or prong and make a big difference. But unfortunately he probably won't come out until we get seven more Zaerog variants, and even then they'll probably skip over Beyzul, Wangren, and Threedia because dark/light favoritism. And even if the dragon twins do get good offensive awakenings they'll never be much use in multiples. But it would be a start since they've got pretty solid stats.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 24, 2015, 04:24:55 AM
Someone made a post stating that the English translations of some of the Indian 1.0 and Indian 2.0 gods were wrong, so I made a huge post correcting him (http://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/3034ov/discussion_best_blind_descend_team/cporwoe). He has since deleted his post.

If you are interested in knowledge bombs from me about certain PAD monsters, I may make posts on them sometime.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Yukarin on March 24, 2015, 04:26:18 AM
fucking shynpy

2 appearnces and no drop fuck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 24, 2015, 04:50:15 AM
as it turns out the Light Bowl Dragon is still infinitely less stressful with Beelzebae instead of Anubis because fucking shrimp

Also the boss gives me three turns to do whatever so Persephone > Ronia/Byakko+CDD>Whatever's left

Persephone is preferable to use first so I can unconvert all of the jammers later.

Edit: lol tanking world's end (http://imgur.com/46tCLvx)

Also guess what happened (http://imgur.com/BAFi1TP)

(http://i.imgur.com/6qTBo3w.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 24, 2015, 09:24:05 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/580297299659649024

New Descend boss "Sphinx" intended to be Awoken Egyptian UVO Material.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 24, 2015, 09:41:15 AM
Well then

Maybe grimores aren't used after all?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Thaws on March 24, 2015, 09:43:26 AM
Well then

Maybe grimores aren't used after all?

Thankfully not grimoires, their awakenings sucks and they'll throw a devil type on every single awoken egypts.
Like, no pls.

This guy's the thing on bastet's head so Bastet confirmed Medjed+Sphinx.
Got my medjed evolved so I'm justing waiting for this guy to arrive now :D

We currently know nothing about this guy's awakenings and types so we still won't know how bastet or other egypts will turn out. :ohdear: but if they're making this with awoken mat in mind, it might be super good. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 24, 2015, 09:59:41 AM
Well then

Maybe grimores aren't used after all?

Yeah, Awoken Bastet looks like she'll use Medjed + Sphinx. Her headdress is the same shape as Sphinx's face.

This implies that Awoken Bastet will require Descend monsters that aren't in NA yet. RIP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 24, 2015, 11:36:00 AM
Finally they make the Sphinx a boss. I was wondering why he didn't get the treatment yet despite being older than Medjed and Cauchemar(?)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 24, 2015, 12:30:16 PM
Finally they make the Sphinx a boss. I was wondering why he didn't get the treatment yet despite being older than Medjed and Cauchemar(?)

Really, who's art is he on? I only remember the little on on B/B Isis.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 24, 2015, 12:40:11 PM
Its also chill in with nephytys

And its interesting how they're making a monster specifically for awoken Egypt's. Maybe it has triple TPA or something :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 24, 2015, 01:03:45 PM
Sphinx looks cool. I'm surprised it's red (Magic had me expecting it to be blue I guess, and recent Gungho decisions had me assuming it would be green).  I'll take it.

Ultimate evolved Liu Bei this morning. How does Verdandi/Liu Bei/Cu Chu/Odin/GZL/Verdandi sound for a team? It's got orbchanges, it's got prongs, it's got a kind of weird damage booster that only works on a third of my team, and it's theoretically got the ability to heal back up to full for maximum damage before I attack. The recovery seems bad, but I've got Odin's autoheal I guess.

Medjed almost seems like he would be a more reliable damage booster than GZL, but his personal damage is waaaaay less and skilling him up sounds like a bitch even though his skill is really good. And I'd miss the two skillboosts.

I don't like the lack of delay so I guess I could work in Zhang Fei, but the straight-up zero recovery seems troublesome on a team that already has lower recovery.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: hyorinryu on March 24, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Sphinx looks cool. I'm surprised it's red (Magic had me expecting it to be blue I guess, and recent Gungho decisions had me assuming it would be green).  I'll take it.

Ultimate evolved Liu Bei this morning. How does Verdandi/Liu Bei/Cu Chu/Odin/GZL/Verdandi sound for a team? It's got orbchanges, it's got prongs, it's got a kind of weird damage booster that only works on a third of my team, and it's theoretically got the ability to heal back up to full for maximum damage before I attack. The recovery seems bad, but I've got Odin's autoheal I guess.

Medjed almost seems like he would be a more reliable damage booster than GZL, but his personal damage is waaaaay less and skilling him up sounds like a bitch even though his skill is really good. And I'd miss the two skillboosts.

I don't like the lack of delay so I guess I could work in Zhang Fei, but the straight-up zero recovery seems troublesome on a team that already has lower recovery.

I think once you have Liu Bei and Zhuge, you can do whatever you want with the other subs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Suikama on March 24, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
Sphinx looks cool. I'm surprised it's red (Magic had me expecting it to be blue I guess, and recent Gungho decisions had me assuming it would be green).  I'll take it.

Ultimate evolved Liu Bei this morning. How does Verdandi/Liu Bei/Cu Chu/Odin/GZL/Verdandi sound for a team? It's got orbchanges, it's got prongs, it's got a kind of weird damage booster that only works on a third of my team, and it's theoretically got the ability to heal back up to full for maximum damage before I attack. The recovery seems bad, but I've got Odin's autoheal I guess.

Medjed almost seems like he would be a more reliable damage booster than GZL, but his personal damage is waaaaay less and skilling him up sounds like a bitch even though his skill is really good. And I'd miss the two skillboosts.

I don't like the lack of delay so I guess I could work in Zhang Fei, but the straight-up zero recovery seems troublesome on a team that already has lower recovery.
lol if every awoken egypt gets a red subtype

R/R Horus RIP


and yeah Liu and GZL are the main core of Verdanadi so everyone else is whatever you want. also make Chu G/R chu because you get the HP boost + he has TPA

if you have persues, use him over Godin for the 100% skill lock resist
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: commandercool on March 24, 2015, 01:58:22 PM
Ooh, I do have Perseus. That's a thing when it's a thing, although ordinarily I think that might be too much orbchange and he's so hard to skillmax. He's eternally on my list of things to level eventually just to have them but he keeps getting passed over. Once we have a green fairy dungeon though, definitely.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 24, 2015, 02:05:22 PM
Man, I could really use Verdandi or Skuld.  I have amazing teams for both of them. :<

lol if every awoken egypt gets a red subtype

Eh, probably not.  Sphinx looks like he's red/light, so either color could be used.  And if we consider him as the red or light element for horus/ra, then their other awoken evo mat is free to be whatever other color they plan on using.

My money is actually on a red/blue attacker/physical horus.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: trancehime on March 24, 2015, 02:07:46 PM
Its also chill in with nephytys

And its interesting how they're making a monster specifically for awoken Egypt's. Maybe it has triple TPA or something :V

Pretty clear they were running out of Red colored descended monsters that would "fit"

Ooh, I do have Perseus. That's a thing when it's a thing, although ordinarily I think that might be too much orbchange and he's so hard to skillmax. He's eternally on my list of things to level eventually just to have them but he keeps getting passed over. Once we have a green fairy dungeon though, definitely.

But we do have a green fairy dungeon - just that Japan literally just finished the period for it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 24, 2015, 02:32:42 PM
Speaking of amberjack, KR version announced angels 2.0 and amberjack, so we should be getting them... soon... :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 24, 2015, 02:39:45 PM
lol if every awoken egypt gets a red subtype

are you ready for

BURNIN' ISIS
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 24, 2015, 02:41:26 PM
Burning Isis x Bubbly Horus all day  ???

Makes me wonder if Archdemon Beelzebub will ever be used as an Uvo material.

He'd probably be used alongside Satan to make an Awoken Lucifer or something :V :V
man I just want validation for having beaten True Endless Corridors with 2x Beelzebub qq

Aaaand new thread time? Someone else going to take it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons 18: Swing your orbs from side to side
Post by: Edible on March 24, 2015, 02:49:19 PM
Apocalypse needs an ult evo :colbert: