Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: SONIC BHOCOLATE STRIKER on May 14, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
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Well, I stumbled upon this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Touhou
and thought it was prime thread material. So, feel free to post some Wild Mass Guesses or rip some of these apart (some of them are just lolworthy).
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Oh gods, please. The troll inside be BURNS with passion but that is simply too much. 5 seconds was enough to send me shivering away in the most horrid pain and bowel contractions.
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Blame KimikoMuffin for some of it.
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I could probably make it worse. But I won't. :P
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Flandre Scarlet is the daughter of Arcueid and Shiki
ಠ_ಠ
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^Damn, I was just about to post that~
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How do I not rage?
I read this before and yet...the feeling... it is welling up from inside of me.
Shiki can kill Yukari, discuss.
Cirno is in fact absurdly powerful Cirno's power is defined as "Manipulation of Cold." She mainly uses it to make ice. But whos to say that's the only use of such a power. If she can manipulate Cold, then she can make things colder... or less colder, AKA heating things up by taking away the "cold" in it. She could also instantly reduce something to Absoulte Zero. This destroying it in an instant. Or perhaps taking away so much cold that it burst into flame or even melts or just 'vaporizes. - The theory's also been put around that Cirno's ability to manipualte cold is just the only bit she's managed to understand of her true ability, the ability to manipulate matter at the atomic level, at which point she pretty much becomes Dr Manhattan
Sadly, Cirno's not smart enough to use her power in such creative ways. Alternately, Cirno was once truly one of the strongest youkai in Gensokyo in the distant past. Due to various events, she was sealed into her current state, and will never give up stating that she's the strongest, as she refuses to accept her current status and sink into despair at being depowered into being merely the strongest fairy. She was sealed along with Rumia, obviously.
JESUS CHRIST DID CASSIE WROTE THIS WITH MUFFIN?!
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JESUS CHRIST DID CASSIE WROTE THIS WITH MUFFIN?!
DEAR LORD! Someone CLEARLY is completely oblivious of the ways of The Strongest (cause everyone know that if Mokou can make some fire in her pants, clearly she must be powerful enough to heat the whole universe to the point of atomic fusion)
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WMGs as speculation are about as credible as a jackalope. It's all in good fun. Look at the WMG for Assassin's Creed, Altair is responsible for all deaths in the multiverse ever. Ripping into these is hardly worth the time and effort spent finding them. lol
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Even better:
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Touhou
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No, I'm not responsible for the Cirno one.
I came up with the specifics for "Yukaris is fooling arall-powerful" one, though. And the "death by moe" one. And the "SA = seven deadly sins + Satan" (I was actually originally going to do that with the cast of PCB. Let's see ... Alice is Lust (due to the Marisa thing), Yuyuko is Gluttony, Yukari is Sloth ...). And "Meira = Mima." And "Sakuya = Eirin."
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Alice is Lust (due to the Marisa thing)
You know, nevermind that it isn't canon.
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Even better:
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Touhou
I feel they captured Reisen quite well in that wiki entry.
Reisen is a moon rabbit who deserted her frontline military position and went AWOL as Primarch Neil Armstrong and his SPEHSS MAHREENS were purging xenos in the Lunar Capital in the name of the God-President of America. If you look into her red eyes and fail your Will save, you will go batshit insane. May or may not be completely useless except for her sex appeal.
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You know, nevermind that it isn't canon.
Not canon? THIS! IS! WILD MASS GUESSING!
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DEAR LORD! Someone CLEARLY is completely oblivious of the ways of The Strongest (cause everyone know that if Mokou can make some fire in her pants, clearly she must be powerful enough to heat the whole universe to the point of atomic fusion)
Suwako can make frog explosions
and nuclear power despite her being "the ability to create earth" {ie. Mud}
hooray.
and apparently
http://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/e/e4/TouhouSharks.jpg/120px-TouhouSharks.jpg
This has to be saved.
Oh, I remember this, once a guy at pooshlmer decided to ask.
"What if there were seas in Gensokyo?"
"Who would dig it up?"
"Touhoues."
"Enslaved by masters of the sea: Sharks"
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Uranium is part of the earth.
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Alice is Lust (due to the Marisa thing)
Alice is Death. Everybody knows that.
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Alice is Death. Everybody knows that.
She is the Seven Coloured Puppeteer. Clealry that's arrogance hogging and flaunting all the visible spectrum like that
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The next Touhou game will finally see the return of Mima.
This is one of the reasons I'm counting the days until August. And when the game is finally released, and there's no Mima, I will laugh, long, loud and hard until I pass out from asphyxiation. When I regain consciousness, I will laugh some more.
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Sorry guys, the only games having Mima in them from now on will probably be fan games, as much as I hate to say that.
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The next Touhou game will finally see the return of Mima.
Not entirely impossible, as some dialogue hints that the "Treasure ship" has some connection to dead people and/or ressurective capabilities. But if I'm wrong, I think it's more likely either way to see Yumemi or her assistant come back - or someone analogous to them.
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As much as I hate to admit it (believe me it feels like I'm driving railway spike through my skull), but PC-98 will never be ressurected. EVER.
Everything about it has been pretty much retconned out of the original series; not a single character from the PC-98 era acknowledges anything about their origin (Alice) or any other characters that may work for them (Yuka to Elly). If that's not a sure sign that we won't be seeing any of those long forgotten characters again, then I dunno what is.
...And there goes the last of my happiness for this week *sigh*
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Everything about it has been pretty much retconned out of the original series; not a single character from the PC-98 era acknowledges anything about their origin (Alice) or any other characters that may work for them (Yuka to Elly). If that's not a sure sign that we won't be seeing any of those long forgotten characters again, then I dunno what is.
except we still HAVE them. Even if they're different characters (somewhat), they themselves have still made a return. Mima or Yumemi could still show up like Yuka or Alice did, as "new" characters - even I don't expect (or really want possibly) PC-98 to be de-retconned, but at least a couple characters were still interesting and fun.
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Touhou 20: The Adventure of Still No Mima
Touhou 21: The Remembering That Mima is Not Coming Back
Touhou 22: The Belief That Mima Probably is REALLY DEAD
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Touhou 23: The Return of Mima...
As a Normal Enemy in Stage 1
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Touhou 23: The Return of Mima...
As a Normal Enemy in Stage 1
Ha! Bucket Mima.
Then, of course, there's the mythical PC98 English patch.
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Well, both Alice and Yuuka did recognize Reimu and/or Marisa (and vice versa to varying degrees) -- Yuuka especially, commenting on how Marisa's grown up and such. It's just all indirect, with no mention of specifically what their history is. For all we know, their PC-98 backgrounds are completely gone and they know the mains for some other reason. Still, the reference is there.
Following their pattern, I think it's possible for more PC-98 characters to show up, but there can't be any consequence to it. Someone like Mima is less likely to return because she was so important before; having her show up now would raise awkward questions. (I believe ZUN talked about this once.) At the same time they'd have to be interesting enough that ZUN would want to bring them back rather than design someone new.
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there will be Mima in the next game u foo!!
and i'll repeat it after 10 more years if i have to!
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I hear ur NEVER for Mima and I raise you an IKU.
Reminds me of the April Fool joke of Iku being in UFO
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I don't.
Although I wonder if, the next time Sakuya has any particular reason to be a boss in a danmaku game, she'll have the Dio Brando pose ...
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I don't.
Although I wonder if, the next time Sakuya has any particular reason to be a boss in a danmaku game, she'll have the Dio Brando pose ...
Given ZUN's penchant for almost never going back in the plots? Unlikely she'll ever have reason to be.
That said, I would not be surprised if she DOES, whenever she next somehow shows up, gain the signature Dio pose (She has at least a few other of his poses in her animations in the Tasoforo games already, IIRC).
A random pondering:
If Yukari is ever to become a major character again, what kind of fooling around would she be up to this time?
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If Yukari is ever to become a major character again, what kind of fooling around would she be up to this time?
Not that I want to give her any ideas, but maybe she's created a gap between Gensokyo and some distant area of deep space (whence the UFOs). Why? Because she can.
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Touhou 20: The Adventure of Still No Mima
Touhou 21: The Remembering That Mima is Not Coming Back
Touhou 22: The Belief That Mima Probably is REALLY DEAD
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9350/mimaisntcomingback.th.png) (http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9350/mimaisntcomingback.png)
For use on imageboards, since the thumbnail transparency is what really gets people. (Hey, cool, it works here too.)
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Given ZUN's penchant for almost never going back in the plots? Unlikely she'll ever have reason to be.
I was thinking along the lines of something like StB or the "boss attacks" in PoFV, or IN's Last Words.
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I have to admit, I'm a fan of the "Maribel and Yukari are the same person" theory. It's like a David Lynch film.
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I don't see how the whole 'She dreams she's Yukari' deal can suddenly make her the same person. Just because you dream you're some boundray haxing youkai doesn't mean you're them essentially. I mean really, we dream about touhous all the time, but that doesn't mean we're touhous.
...Or ARE we.
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I don't see how the whole 'She dreams she's Yukari' deal can suddenly make her the same person. Just because you dream you're some boundray haxing youkai doesn't mean you're them essentially. I mean really, we dream about touhous all the time, but that doesn't mean we're touhous.
...Or ARE we.
Without repeating the comparisons made between Maribel and Yukari in the wiki, I like to think of it more as, yes, they are two separate entities, but the consciousness of A enters the body of B when A is asleep, instead of the idea that they're the same person, moving back and forth across Gensokyo's border. As one is a powerful youkai who can go back and forth between our world and Gensokyo, manipulating borders, and the other is just an ordinary human girl who can see Gensokyo's border, Gensokyo itself could be all Maribel's invention. Or maybe the outside world is a dream Yukari is having.
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Spoiler:
That's just yukari fucking with Maribel because, for some reason, she likes her.
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Spoiler:
That's just yukari fucking with Maribel because, for some reason, she likes her.
I vote this.
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Spoiler:
That's just yukari fucking with Maribel because, for some reason, she likes her.
I wouldn't put it past her. Or maybe that's just what she wants you to think.
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Spoiler:
That's just yukari fucking with Maribel because, for some reason, she likes her.
I read it in a NSFW way.
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Look at her. Yukari is extremely bored, extremely powerful and overall very very weird. She is a person with little friends, with most of the people fearing her (not without reason) or simply not even knowing much about her, particularly from the last let's say, 6 or 7 hundred years ago when Ran starting taking most of the work she did have. She IS a good friend but what friends do we have for her?
1 - Yuyuko: A ghost that can invoke death in any living being (in b4, hourai h4x), rules over Hyakugyokurou and LOOKS like one of the most daft persons in the world, except you then realise she is actually about as intelligent and knowledgeable as Yukari herself, although being just as weird in very different ways of thinking and doing stuff.
2 - Suika: One of the four devas of the mountain who got pissed at the surface-dwellers ungratefulness and exiled themselves to the underground. They made a pact in order to be left alone and that was mediated and probably planned by none other than Yukari herself. As for Suika she is one of the strongest beings and gensokyou and it's generally assumed that she, with a hand tied beyond her back, can mop the floor with pretty much everyone except Yukari (who would probably manage to put up quite the fight), Yuyuko (insta-kill-H4X) and possibly the other Oni (particularly if Yuugi is to serve as any measure). Regardless of that she is content with just fooling around, drinking, showing off and generally having a good laid-back time.
3 - Reimu: Our very well known H4X-maiden. Who Yukari took quite a while to meet (considering she and the Hakurei probably go way back) but now ceases not to pester and impose on.
Yukari likes weird people. She toys with the weaker and hangs out with the strong, altogether while doing whatever it is she does while no one is looking. A normal untrained human that can see beyond the borders of Gensokyou is like a treasure to her. A different person that particularly deals with the same kind of stuff that she does. It's the toy she was waiting for.
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Yukari likes weird people. She toys with the weaker and hangs out with the strong, altogether while doing whatever it is she does while no one is looking. A normal untrained human that can see beyond the borders of Gensokyou is like a treasure to her. A different person that particularly deals with the same kind of stuff that she does. It's the toy she was waiting for.
Sounds like story material to me. (But then again, mostly everything does)
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That's more an analysis of her canon behaviour than story material. My fanfic repulsion still goes strong
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This guess, brought to you by sleep deprivation. And the Letter Q. Actualy, I'm not sure what Q has to do wi-
GET ON WITH IT
OK OK! Jeez...
Now, here's a weird thing. Mary Poppins may have connections with Yukari. Think about it for a sec.
She can FLY.
She can PULL OUT JUST ABOUT ANYTHING from that bag of hers.
She is rarely without her HAT.
She has an UMBRELLA which she uses to help fly.
Need I remind you that she can PULL OUT JUST ABOUT ANYTHING from that bag of hers?
I rest my case.
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THIS JUST IN
MARY POPPINS IS A TOEHOE
FILM AT 11
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And one of the more powerful ones at that, if her parasol is any indication.
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Mary Poppins cannot be Yukari because Julie Andrews appeared topless in the movie S.O.B.
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Mary Poppins is communist, remember when she almost bankrupted the bank because of twopence? Just to feed the damn pigeons.
I totally agree both are VERY weird persons, but Yukari can't be Mary Poppins, they are way different levels.
Besides, Alice In Wonderland grown up being Mary Poppins would fit way better.
Because watching the both movies makes me feel high.
Going inside chalk drawings, supercalifragalistcexpialidocious, penguin bar, a laughing uncle that gets stuck on the ceiling? That's NOT Yukari !
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Mary Poppins is communist, remember when she almost bankrupted the bank because of twopence? Just to feed the damn pigeons.
I totally agree both are VERY weird persons, but Yukari can't be Mary Poppins, they are way different levels.
Besides, Alice In Wonderland grown up being Mary Poppins would fit way better.
Because watching the both movies makes me feel high.
Going inside chalk drawings, supercalifragalistcexpialidocious, penguin bar, a laughing uncle that gets stuck on the ceiling? That's NOT Yukari !
Actually I think it's kinda close enough. But Mary has too much of a sense of responsibility to be Yukari. On the plus side I stand by the fact that Mary Poppins is an archmage of the highest calibre that would surely prove a worthy opponent to Elminster of Shadowdale, Gandalf, or any Touhou character for that matter. Her umbrella CAN deflect Master Spark!
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apparently, Yukari doesn't canonically hangs out with
- Eirin
- the Watatsuki sisters
- Aya (the invincible, who can defeat even herself and onis -- and Yukari, as well -- without shooting, or some could say, without trying)
- Flandre
- Yuka
- Shinki (I did it for the lulz)
- Dragons
and apparently, Yukari doesn't canonically toy with many of the weaker characters, one of them being Chen. Even in the games, Yukari seems to make less fun of her opponents than other characters.
The outside world being Yukari's dream wouldn't explain how the lunarians threw the American flag back at the earth, said flag having ended up in Gensokyo (the three mischievous fairies find it); and Gensokyo being Maribel's invention (as in, Maribel sleeps and becomes the Yukari persona for half of a day, and vice-versa) could work, in a sense that, while the Hakurei border was meant to seal the youkai-populated region so that they wouldn't get out, the great boundary that keeps the illusional world and the real world separate served the purpose of attracting the youkai into Gensokyo, meaning that they were illusional beings from the start, and would otherwise progressively diminish and fade in the outside world. But... how would Maribel live for so long? Unless Yukari's past is a lie? (like, Maribel and Yukari, and both worlds all along, are actually Matrix slaves lol) Chances could be that even the youkai and the Hakurei border were purely fictional (conceived tales made out by scared or creative humans), not existing from the start, or the youkai's history doesn't acknowledge neither of the two barriers, or only the Hakurei barrier; either way, making things actually different from what Maribel thinks or dreams. That is, if they are really the same person, though no one can really guarantee that they are, due to lack of conclusive evidence.
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The thing with Yuyuko's insta-death ability is that she rarely EVER (has anyone actually ever seen her use it on anyone bar herself?) actually uses it, this of course being due to her having high responsibility for that particular power.
I mean if she was to get into a brawl with one of the high-ends of the Gensokyo food chain you wouldn't see her pulling it out due to:
1. Some of the high ends are actually immune to the power. (Shiki, Komachi, Mouku, Kaguya, Eirin...)
2. This being Touhou you rarely see any of the characters fighting each other for hateful reasons, mostly for fun and competition, (At least, tha'ts how I see it anyway, you are free to point out some cases) so killing the opponent intentionally would be taking things a step too far.
3. FUN. As it would seem, Yuyuko doesn't get into many battles all that often. So why instantly kill your opponent? Wheres the fun in that? Hell Yuyuko would probably end up feeling bad for not letting the opponent even have a chance at taking her down.
These reasons make Yuyuko's death invoking ability pretty useless for someone like her. At least she can still whip out the super huge fan and moe people to death. ;D
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I never said Yukari hangs out with ALL weird people.
Also, all oh herasy's points just reassure what I keep saying over and over, that Gensokyou is complete BS in terms of character design and Zun get's round that with all this Spellcard thing which is even more BS but allows him to do whatever the hell strikes him fancy and he still haves pretty much the same game in the end regardless of that
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that Gensokyou is complete BS in terms of character design and Zun get's round that with all this Spellcard thing which is even more BS
Mind pointing out the illogical concept of Gensokyou?
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I never said Yukari hangs out with ALL weird people.
Also, all oh herasy's points just reassure what I keep saying over and over, that Gensokyou is complete BS in terms of character design and Zun get's round that with all this Spellcard thing which is even more BS but allows him to do whatever the hell strikes him fancy and he still haves pretty much the same game in the end regardless of that
Yet you still wuv and adore that drunken man anyway ^_____^
p.s I only said those points because of how you referred to Yuyuko's abilities as "H4X" when they really aren't all that.
Infact you seem to refer to alot of things as "H4X" perhaps expanding your vocabulary would be wise.
~oh, and kudos for spellling my name right :)
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afaik, Eirin didn't consume the Hourai Elixir, nor was her crime creating it, since it canonically is used to test humans with; she's regarded as a criminal for leaving the Lunar Capital and set foot on Earth (regarded by lunarians as impure and a prison), even though it's to redeem herself of the mistake of creating the Elixir per Kaguya's request, without foreseeing that Kaguya would consume it (and thus be exiled to Earth). Eirin, though, has the lifespan of a lunarian (which, because of their "purity" and that of the Moon, don't die of age), which is supposed to be shortened when she enters Earth.
Perhaps, if humans ever have access to the respawners seen in Unreal Tournament 3 (which are stated, in the game, to have altered the way wars are fought -- and it's original usage, in some bloody sport -- since their development), Yuyuko would be among the top scorers :D
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If I remember correctly, Eirin did drink the elixir with Kaguya, but only Kaguya was caught. Eirin was on the team to go recover her and bring her back to the moon after her "sentence" on earth was up, but instead they killed everyone else sent to bring her back and fled (eventually) to Gensokyo.
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If I remember correctly, Eirin did drink the elixir with Kaguya, but only Kaguya was caught. Eirin was on the team to go recover her and bring her back to the moon after her "sentence" on earth was up, but instead they killed everyone else sent to bring her back and fled (eventually) to Gensokyo.
Actually I'm fairly certain it is unknown about weather Eirin drank the elixir or not.
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(as in, Maribel sleeps and becomes the Yukari persona for half of a day, and vice-versa) could work
Maribel can't be Yukari other persona since Hakurei Border is created in AD 1884 while the current world already have cellphone and stuff, Maribel would be 100+ years old...unless Yukari make deal with some human who are interested in paranormal like Maribel and agree to switch consciousness with her.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRrxy_kDLsU
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Maribel can't be Yukari other persona since Hakurei Border is created in AD 1884 while the current world already have cellphone and stuff, Maribel would be 100+ years old...unless Yukari make deal with some human who are interested in paranormal like Maribel and agree to switch consciousness with her.
Wat.
Did you ever think that maybe with the border up the people living in Gensokyo were sealed off from technological advancements?
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As far as I know people don't really know whether she drank it or not. I say yes.
My vocabulary is not that bad but I purposely make it look worse on the internet since I do not believe in many a user's ability to actually understand proper English. So I just dump some ugly slang here and there to make my text more understandable for those people while still comprehensible by those with some intelligence and SOME measure of will to understand what I mean. As a positive side-effect I can pass as another mindless troll avoiding many an "intelligent conversation" unless someone actually presents him or herself interesting enough that I actually feel a serious talk with that person will be interesting and enjoyable.
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Did you ever think that maybe with the border up the people living in Gensokyo were sealed off from technological advancements?
You miss read. I meant Maribel should be in around year 2006+ since there are ipod and such in the human world while Yukari helped in doing something to the creation of the boarder in 1884.
I just said Maribel cannot be yukari as a same person, but can be sharing the same consciousness.
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As far as I know people don't really know whether she drank it or not. I say yes.
My vocabulary is not that bad but I purposely make it look worse on the internet since I do not believe in many a user's ability to actually understand proper English. So I just dump some ugly slang here and there to make my text more understandable for those people while still comprehensible by those with some intelligence and SOME measure of will to understand what I mean. As a positive side-effect I can pass as another mindless troll avoiding many an "intelligent conversation" unless someone actually presents him or herself interesting enough that I actually feel a serious talk with that person will be interesting and enjoyable.
I try to avoid shortening my words as it would probably have the side effects of making me subconsciously blurt out more stupid stuff in real life.
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I try to avoid shortening my words as it would probably have the side effects of making me subconsciously blurt out more stupid stuff in real life.
Oh well. It's fine for me since, although the method is very different, I sorta do the same stuff IRL anyway.
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You miss read. I meant Maribel should be in around year 2006+ since there are ipod and such in the human world while Yukari helped in doing something to the creation of the boarder in 1884.
I just said Maribel cannot be Yukair as a same person, but can be sharing the same consciousness.
So I did, sorry.
That's pretty much my cue to go to bed :-\
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I have a hard time believing that Eirin drank the elixir with Kaguya, maybe because I didn't read something right or whatever. I don't want to completely debunk it, so I'll just agree with Herasy in saying 'no body knows' (Oh boy, how often do we see those words in Touhou).
Also while I'm here I thought I'd shit out a (crackpot) theory I came up with in the Pooshlmer PC-98 thread:
The demon tourist, Luize, is able to cross borders much in the fashion that Yukari can (only without gaps, perhaps a power to ignore the border between worlds?), her travels to the outside world may have sparked the creation of Alice in this sense being on the outside world, humans are a more numerous species than youkai/demons. Luize finding them interesting comes back one day and tells Shinki all about the humans she has seen. Intrigued by these findings, and curious about the true nature of humans, Shinki creates Alice as a human to observe this nature that interest her so, this also could have been Shinki's way to see what it would be like to care for a human child as well.
And we all know how Alice became a youkai so I won't explain into that (partly because I'm too lazy to).
And no the border ignoring bit isn't my attempt to make Luize look awesome or anything, it's actually somewhat plausible if you stop and think about it. Ah, whatever I'm done crapping up the thread with my, slightly off topic, PC-98 theorizing...
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My vocabulary is not that bad but
My vocabulary is not that bad, but
on the internet since
on the internet, since
for those people while still
for those people, while still
comprehensible by those
comprehensible to those
As a positive side-effect I can
As a positive side-effect, I can
many an "intelligent conversation" unless someone
many an "intelligent conversation", unless someone
presents him or herself interesting enough
presents him or herself as interesting enough
Here, fixed it for you. If you're talking about proper English, all those commas are actually mandatory.
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Maribel can't be Yukari other persona since Hakurei Border is created in AD 1884 while the current world already have cellphone and stuff, Maribel would be 100+ years old...unless Yukari make deal with some human who are interested in paranormal like Maribel and agree to switch consciousness with her.
There is a flaw in the time spans anyways, considering Maribel slipped into Gensokyos Bamboo Forest several hundred years ago. (regarding "Perfect Memento: Memorandum")
If looks more like a time travel... Also, if Maribel slipped into Gensokyo that one time... what happend to Yukari at that time? I don't think they are related in any way.
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Oh right...time travel...never mind then. :P
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I don't think they are related in any way.
Oh, I dunno, you just need to come up with complete bullshit something creative, like how Axl and Raven have a "parallel existence" in the Guilty Gear series.
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it's not mentioned anywhere that Eirin did consume the elixir, or that Kaguya really used the Elixir on Eirin (there was a debate over that spellcard, "Forbidden Arcanum - Hourai Elixir", some believe that names do prove that Eirin did consume it, others don't). Was it really needed for the characters to kill her? If yes, then Sakuya, for example, shouldn't be alive after EoSD stage 6, and Mystia (even though the IN Ghost Team route's canonicity is arguable) shouldn't be alive in PoFV. Here's IN's script translation for the Ghost Team: http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Ghost_Team%27s_Scenario_2
About Maribel, there's also this: http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Memorandum
For the memorandum to have been actually found within Gensokyo, either Maribel's time slip hypothesis was true, or the dream (and PMiSS and the whole Gensokyo) was an illusion, no more than this (even the child of Miare, and Sanae as well might not have existed from the start); or (more unlikely) there's another Maribel and another Renko with similar abilities.
Anyways, there's nothing saying that Maribel and Yukari aren't different persons, either. Perhaps the first people to fanon-merge Maribel with Yukari knew this as well, and were merely trolling people who can be easily convinced.
As for Luize, Shinki said that a tourist agency was tasked to send the Makai inhabitants to a vacation trip in the outside world, and the agency ended up sending them to Gensokyo instead.
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Maribel can't be Yukari other persona since Hakurei Border is created in AD 1884 while the current world already have cellphone and stuff, Maribel would be 100+ years old...unless Yukari make deal with some human who are interested in paranormal like Maribel and agree to switch consciousness with her.
That doesn't necessarily disprove the Yukari/Maribel theory. There's nothing saying Maribel was born at the same time as Yukari. I maintain that they are two different people. When one is asleep, that person's consciousness enters the body of the other.
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Where did the "Maribel dreaming she's Yukari" setup come from in the first place, anyway? Between the PMiSS note and Mary's dream in Changeability of Strange Dream, I never saw the basis of that. And you'd expect people to react to her a certain way if she was Yukari at the time; from the sound of things she may well have run into a few people we know. Is there a story I'm missing or is that pure fandom?
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Where did the "Maribel dreaming she's Yukari" setup come from in the first place, anyway? Between the PMiSS note and Mary's dream in Changeability of Strange Dream, I never saw the basis of that. And you'd expect people to react to her a certain way if she was Yukari at the time; from the sound of things she may well have run into a few people we know. Is there a story I'm missing or is that pure fandom?
Maribel looks a lot like the PCB Yukari, one is asleep when the other is awake, one manipulates borders and the other can see Gensokyo's border. All conjectural links, but enough to build a conspiracy.
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Fanon built Marisa's harem on less. Flandre and Nitori, for one thing. Also Patchouli, who has reason to dislike her (Marisa-as-book-thief is canon). And this was before the release of SA, which I suppose didn't particularly help ...
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[Insert Cirno is the Strongest Theory here:]
JESUS CHRIST DID CASSIE WROTE THIS WITH MUFFIN?!
I'm a fan of this theory too.
Check out one of the flashbacks in my RPG Post.
See what Cirno did when facing the most deadly ESPer in my Fictional Universe.
(OK, I admit in my Fanon all Youseis are stronger than they seems because I love them.)
(Wouldn't that be a darn good team?
We have Sunny, who can turn the team invisible
We have Star, who can notice the enemy's action
We have Luna, who can disable the enemy from hearing our own team
We have Cirno, who is an attacker and control ice
We have Daiyousei and Lily White/Black for Recover HP/EN
Check it out, we have Damage Output (And it's an elemental one), we have Scout, we have Stealth, we have enough supplies. If this is SRW or any other SRPG give me this team and the enemy team will fall!
Too sad the intelligence of the fairies didn't allow them to take complex actions.)
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I'm a fan of this theory too.
Check out one of the flashbacks in my RPG Post.
See what Cirno did when facing the most deadly ESPer in my Fictional Universe.
(OK, I admit in my Fanon all Youseis are stronger than they seems because I love them.)
(Wouldn't that be a darn good team?
We have Sunny, who can turn the team invisible
We have Star, who can notice the enemy's action
We have Luna, who can disable the enemy from hearing our own team
We have Cirno, who is an attacker and control ice
We have Daiyousei and Lily White/Black for Recover HP/EN
Check it out, we have Damage Output (And it's an elemental one), we have Scout, we have Stealth, we have enough supplies. If this is SRW or any other SRPG give me this team and the enemy team will fall!
Too sad the intelligence of the fairies didn't allow them to take complex actions.)
(http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt291/VileLasagna/Dayousei.jpg)
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You are a sad person my brother... That's why I love you so much XD
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You're just jealous 'cause of my paint sk1llz. Go hang out with Parsee.
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(http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt291/VileLasagna/Dayousei.jpg)
OH GOD
MIND = BLOWN
YOUR LOGIC
IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE
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(http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt291/VileLasagna/Dayousei.jpg)
Ahh, we need to have Mess-Produced Units right?
You really think in real combat one can win with few ACE Pilots?
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Ahh, we need to have Mess-Produced Units right?
You really think in real combat one can win with few ACE Pilots?
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Ahh, we need to have Mess-Produced Units right?
You really think in real combat one can win with few ACE Pilots?
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[Various Pics]
As the Sith Lord, Darth Phoenix, I obey the rule of absolute.
Which means, If I'm answering that question:
I'll probably choose to go alone.
However, if the enemy is too strong, then we will mop them down with mess of units.
Believe me, a few ACEs is not a good option.
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As the Sith Lord, Darth Phoenix, I obey the rule of absolute.
Which means, If I'm answering that question:
I'll probably choose to go alone.
However, if the enemy is too strong, then we will mop them down with mess of units.
Believe me, a few ACEs is not a good option.
So that's like:
"Yeah, you make a good point and are probably right but I can't admit that so I'll pretend I disagree?"
Also: You mentioning Star Wars? Don't make me dig out the Death Star on you, buddy...
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This seems strangely related to this discussion:
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[Epyon pic]
LOLOLOLOLOL
If by an ace you mean one of your units swinging a huge sword around, then you're screwed.
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"Yeah, you make a good point and are probably right but I can't admit that so I'll pretend I disagree?"
Well, for the "style" point, I admit a well-balanced plan is best for most people.
However, I get NO luck at all, and it expands to EVERYTHING, so when I'm playing games I usually goes for a one-shot kill with one really strong character or mop the enemy down with large forces or I'll be screwed.
It's not I don't want to admit that, it's just.... Well, just say everytime when I try to be balance I get screwed.
(And that's the exactly reason why I put 18 Spell cards and 2 Fast Card Draw in all my character deck in SWR.)
And we are supposed to talk about Touhou Fanons, not Battle/gaming Styles, if you want I can open a "style" pose elsewhere.
So back to the topic.
YOUSEIS ARE AWESOME.
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1. Vampires and other undead: do not age, are generally immune to disease, can survive superhuman levels of damage, but can be permanently destroyed by fire, sunlight, holy power, running water, exorcism, or similar means depending on the setting. This includes the Scarlet sisters and the Hakugyokoro faction.
2. Deities: exists outside of the mortal coil, cannot be permanently destroyed in most settings. This includes the Higan faction, Suwako and Kanako, etc.
3. Terrasques: will regenerate from any level of physical destruction, including nuclear annihilation. Can only be eliminated permanently by sufficiently damaging the body and then using a Wish spell to make the creature have never existed in the first place. Mokou and Kaguya would fall in this category, as well as all of the faeries of Gensokyo.
So logically, terrasques are the strongest terrestrial creatures in the world. Faeries are equivalent to terrasques. Cirno is a faerie, so she is equal to a terrasque. Therefore Cirno is the strongest, QED.
So....?
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1. Vampires and other undead: do not age, are generally immune to disease, can survive superhuman levels of damage, but can be permanently destroyed by fire, sunlight, holy power, running water, exorcism, or similar means depending on the setting. This includes the Scarlet sisters and the Hakugyokoro faction.
Not permanently. Remember. Extra lives.
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Well for Remilia it seems that holy power, sunlight, and water aren't fatal to her. She particularly likes the cross imagery and finds it odd that people think that she should be afraid of it. sunlight only weakens her considerably but isn't fatal and water is the same( i think?)
vampires have different depictions no matter WHERE you look it seems. A vampire in this or that story always seem to have completely different rules that determine their weaknesses o_- there are a few things that ALL vamps share at least (blood sucking, super-human strength, mostly nocturnal eternally young) but their weaknesses can be totally different in each setting.
its really bleh sometimes haha.
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Remilia's wings started smoking in SSiB when she was directly exposed to sunlight for, um, I dunno, fifteen minutes was it? (I haven't actually looked at that chapter ...)
But yes. Our Vampires Are Different (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurVampiresAreDifferent) (warning, link leads to TVTropes, muffin is not responsible for hours of time lost as a result of visiting that link).
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(warning, link leads to TVTropes, muffin is not responsible for hours of time lost as a result of visiting that link).
Not all of us suffer from pos-lights-going-down-and-TVtropes-tabs-al-disapearing-and-finding-about-the-outside-world-again trauma in here! plus, even some of those that did, many are way past the addiction and will never... hmm... I wonder if that Touhou WMG has new stuff... and how that Harry Potter "just bugs me" is going up to now... ... ... oohh, what's this base thing trope again? ... *leaves to never return again*