Are runs with Ultra patches acceptable?They are... although that requires me installing the ultra patches in the first place. :p
For scoring: Your score run must be at a considerably different level than a survival run. In other words, don't submit a survival run as a score run.
This sounds great, and I'd love to take part and have the professionals pick apart some of my replays. I just have a query about one of your guidelines:I think this is a good point to raise - in my opinion whilst there are obviously 'pure' score runs and 'pure' survival runs, there are definitely runs that are on a continuum between the two. Would the threshold for inclusion as a 'scoring run' be something above what a 'defensive/conservative' NMNB could achieve? Also, there's a distinction between intent and result - somebody could be trying to do a scoring run but not do very well and get a lower score, but the replay could still indicate a preference towards scoring-based play rather than survival-based play. For example, suppose I play SA, and I try some of the easier scoring strategies (increasing graze via timing out attacks, using bombs as ReimuA, positioning my character in riskier positions). I could still end up with a score lower than that achieved by a No Miss run, simply from dying due to the added risks I'm taking.
You see, I'm the kind of player for whom survival and scoring are not separate goals. I always try to score, even if it's a category I haven't cleared yet. I try to learn scoring techniques a little at a time and incorporate them into my runs. I'm nowhere near professional scoring level yet -- but I'd still prefer my runs to be treated as scoring runs and for you to tell me what's good and what needs improvement. Is that okay? Or maybe I should mark my runs as both survival and scoring to show that I'm kind of a bit of both?
This sounds great, and I'd love to take part and have the professionals pick apart some of my replays. I just have a query about one of your guidelines:
You see, I'm the kind of player for whom survival and scoring are not separate goals. I always try to score, even if it's a category I haven't cleared yet. I try to learn scoring techniques a little at a time and incorporate them into my runs. I'm nowhere near professional scoring level yet -- but I'd still prefer my runs to be treated as scoring runs and for you to tell me what's good and what needs improvement. Is that okay? Or maybe I should mark my runs as both survival and scoring to show that I'm kind of a bit of both?
I just made a submission (IN Hard, Alice Solo); thanks for this initiative! I was wondering if you could provide instructions on how to view this weekly stream, as I have no background on streaming in general and would like to watch.The stream will most likely be hosted on Twitch. We'll be making a stream account exclusively for the replay stream itself. Once I do so and then make some test streams then I'll give instructions and guidelines about the stream itself. Also I'd say in general that exposing yourself to "spoilers", especially in a shooting game series, is actually pretty good practice, because you'll have an idea how patterns in-game work beforehand.
Normally, I consider myself an insular and stubborn Touhou player when it comes to outside advice - that's just a result of really enjoying the process of trying to work things out by myself and not being exposed to too many 'spoilers', even when I'm having difficulty. But I also would like to share my Touhou playing with others, and see what strategies others have come up with. I also think the goal of "showing the diversity of the western Touhou community" is a good one, and I hope it encourages more community participation in Touhou playing :)
I think this is a good point to raise - in my opinion whilst there are obviously 'pure' score runs and 'pure' survival runs, there are definitely runs that are on a continuum between the two. Would the threshold for inclusion as a 'scoring run' be something above what a 'defensive/conservative' NMNB could achieve? Also, there's a distinction between intent and result - somebody could be trying to do a scoring run but not do very well and get a lower score, but the replay could still indicate a preference towards scoring-based play rather than survival-based play. For example, suppose I play SA, and I try some of the easier scoring strategies (increasing graze via timing out attacks, using bombs as ReimuA, positioning my character in riskier positions). I could still end up with a score lower than that achieved by a No Miss run, simply from dying due to the added risks I'm taking.What ZM said: if your goal is to get a highscore you can consider your run a scoring one, but obviously it needs to do a little more than a regular 1cc (are specific routes or graze strats used? are point items frequently collected? are you using resources to get higher PIV or saving them for a massive clear bonus?).
On the other hand, to a relatively average player like me, the scoring runs at a significant percentage of World Record scores are obviously on a whole other level of gameplay to what most of us can achieve. It's almost like watching a different game mode being played, and I think it is important to maintain this distinction. My personal preference in this case would be to allow ticking both 'scoring' and 'survival' in the online submission form for replays like the ones Mikuru is suggesting. A run that uses a few scoring techniques but nothing really crazy (e.g. significant usage of point-blank safespots) can be still commented on like it's a survival run, but the individual scoring techniques deserve to be commented on too (for example, manipulation of the human/youkai meter in IN to get time orbs). I'm not sure how discussion of replays is planned or structured (obviously), but I'm assuming each replay will be viewed at least once prior to the stream, and so issues like these can be addressed if relatively minor.
Maybe the bit in the original post that says 'Check the hiscores page for reference' could be a little more specific? E.g., for a 'pure' scoring run, your score should be around X% of the MotK top score/World Record, or similar?
Ended up submitting one of the DDC Extra replays I had, please take note that I got bad internet so that when the stream will happen I might not be able to view it. (maybe the archive is an option?)We'll be archiving broadcasts as well as providing a list of replays showcased during the stream on this topic.
Other games allowed? Mostly asking about Len'en here.For now, this will be limited to just Windows Touhou shmups, sorry!
Decided to submit my MoF and TD Normal clears. I'm planning to submit an IN replay but I want to ask a probably dumb question first: my replay is not saved under my username, it is in fact named '15th' to commemorate my 15th 1cc attempt. Is this acceptable format or will I need to clear IN again and save another replay using my name?That is fine. As long as you submit replays under the same username using the form we will accept it.
I look forward to seeing the stream, although I probably won't be able to watch it live due to differing timezones. I'm excited about more experienced players analysing my playstyle!
Well, I was thinking of submitting the replay of Remilia's Fitful Nightmare we were talking about on the other thread, Satorical, but it doesn't have my username, but "Remilia" on it. Because all my replays in ISC have the name of the character in the spell card :D Is there any problem with that?As I've said before, that's fine. The field "Player Name" should be who you want to be known as (I am assuming Yukari's Glove).
If not, I've a Koishi-perfect and a Suwako-perfect run (you know, no deaths, no bombs).
By the way, the showcase consensus at the moment is that the first 3 stages (or first 5 for PoFV) will be fast-forwarded in the maingame, unless otherwise stated.
Does that apply for scoring runs aswell? If so that doesn't make senseOh yeah. For score runs, tell us which parts you'd like to be skipped, so if you want to include the first three stages, they will be.
Followed, and good luck with this project. This is hopefully something that'll be well appreciated by the community. You guys just might want to keep in mind to brush up a bit on your general basic knowledge of each game or relevant commentary could become a real struggle and stray away from the replay completely. Just something to keep in mind. I wouldn't mind some banter, but people sending in their replays might get disappointed if you end up talking about something else for its entire duration.I've played all of the games in the above list on at least hard and extra difficulty (including all 4 sidegames) and the others have done the same on lunatic (and score a couple of games), so Touhou game knowledge isn't particularly an issue for us. This is also something I'll have to be careful with however, this is a showcase, not a criticism-case. Of course, there might be some criticism here and there, but that is not the main purpose of the stream. I'm the only one who doesn't score, but I still have a basic grasp on how scoring in each game works.
I'll try to send in a photography game replay or two (or three?) every week, those games are always short on recognition. Is there any kind of cap of how much "shorter" replays (scenes or spell practice stuff) you can send in, by the way? 2 or 3 sounds reasonable to me, assuming that for a full game, 2 replays is too many.
Also, assuming there's no requirement for the replay to be recent? I'm not playing much at the moment, but I have no shortage of replays.
Aww, I see I did not make it in time :(It just began to stream.
I suppose it's one hour from now, right? I ask just to be sure, since I'm not from the EST zone :V
Hi, regarding my submitted IN run, I need to add that it's a Route B run, forgot to specify earlier.No problem! We're really glad to be doing such a thing too, thanks for your appreciation.
Haven't had time to watch the stream yet, will do so later. Can I just say in advance, thank you and your team for taking the time and effort to show all these great replays! I really appreciate all your hard work in presenting this showcase.
Hi, regarding my submitted IN run, I need to add that it's a Route B run, forgot to specify earlier.
Haven't had time to watch the stream yet, will do so later. Can I just say in advance, thank you and your team for taking the time and effort to show all these great replays! I really appreciate all your hard work in presenting this showcase.
I mentioned this in discord while the stream was live so I'm not sure how many of you (aside from Pearl, who replied) saw, but if you have such a large backlog (and a stream takes that long), then it might worth considering having 2 smaller streams a week with 6-7 replays each, instead of one large one with 10. That way you would get through the backlog quicker and the streams wouldn't be as long. I don't believe you would run short of them anytime soon either way. Of course, this needs to tie in with the schedules of the hosts, naturally (so it might not be feasible in the end). Alternatively, to cut back on the length of the stream, you could try not having 9 full game runs or whatever. Put in one or two extra stage runs or the single stage/spell replays that I'm sure some people submitted. Naturally, this was the first stream so it wasn't possible to tell how long it would end up being, so maybe this is still sort of within expectations. I'm just throwing in a suggestion for you to consider.I have thought about a few methods to cut back on stream length as well as going through the backlog, and am still trying to find a way that will make it work better. The main reason why I'm only able to do something like this on a weekend is because for most of us, the school year has already started which automatically means weekdays will almost never be an option. It would have been more viable in the summer, but not now. And yes, for the next week I have put in some variations to the submissions so full game replays don't take up as much time slots as it currently does, and I have included a few submitted spell replays as well. The stream did end up taking slightly longer than my estimated time so I'm looking for ways to save (read: not waste as much) time.
Good job on the first stream.
I have thought about a few methods to cut back on stream length as well as going through the backlog, and am still trying to find a way that will make it work better. The main reason why I'm only able to do something like this on a weekend is because for most of us, the school year has already started which automatically means weekdays will almost never be an option. It would have been more viable in the summer, but not now. And yes, for the next week I have put in some variations to the submissions so full game replays don't take up as much time slots as it currently does, and I have included a few submitted spell replays as well. The stream did end up taking slightly longer than my estimated time so I'm looking for ways to save (read: not waste as much) time.
Thank you for the feedback!
If you're going to showcase my run next week, don't, because I'll be busy next Saturday and I want to see my own replay on stream.Alright, noted.
I'd like to withdraw the EoSD replay I submitted and submit a new one. Is that okay?Just fine.
lol missed the stream, but I'm Lyrical Ririka. I did that run back in January 2015. Not one of my best runs in the game but I submitted it since I figured no one has ever saw a solo human scoring before. BTW, I used bombs on the stage 4 fairies because Reimu can't kill the fairies fast enough, even with the safespots, to give you time to POC before the next pair of fairies come.
Feedback I'd also like to give... Last time I checked, there were still no links in the channel page that direct to the schedule. There's alot of people who don't know the schedule when they come to watch, so it would be convenient if the schedule was either in the channel page itself, or linked to it in the channel page.Noted. I'll probably start using the channel feed to post the stream schedule from now on. Or perhaps link directly to these two respective topics. Not sure which of the two solutions would work better. I'll probably use both.
I know it's late in the day to be asking this, but could you show my first clear (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=42352) rather than the one I submitted? I think the audience would get more out of seeing a genuine first clear :) No hard feelings if you choose not to, I'm honoured to be part of the showcase at all :)I know I'm also late about this but I've received news about this already, no problem.
So all this time I thought that old runs were not allowed, but seeing as just today there was a 2013 run... can I send a 2015 one?It was never specified anywhere that old runs weren't allowed. By all means, you may submit a 2015 one.
Well, I voted for "don't increase"; I haven't missed a TRS so far (except once when I was in hospital), but I just won't have time to keep up if it's going to increase. In the event that "Have a second stream on Sunday" ends up winning, can I plead that the schedules for both streams are published together so that people who don't have time to watch both can decide on the one they prefer?Indeed, they will be published together. I try to think of it as more of a part 1 + part 2 when doing so, as I want to weight these equally.
Assuming an additional stream on Sunday is what will be happening, I don't know if it's assumed there will be 10 streams on both days. But depending on how fast the queue grows, maybe you could also just do something like 8 runs per stream, so that's 16 a week. Just to see how that works out. Personally I think the streams, as they have been so far, are pretty lenghty and making them slightly shorter, but still have significantly more runs a week might be more convenient. It's just an idea, so it's up to you people whether that's necessary, since as I said, I don't know how fast the queue grows.This might also be a good idea, having more runs overall across both days but perhaps slightly less per day. I would definitely consider this, but the number of submissions keep on increasing. It might have to come to a point where I'll have to temporarily close submissions, but I'll see about that.
You forgot Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom.^
Great Fairy WarsOh, you.
Oh, if you're accepting Phantasmagoria of Flower View replays now, I got one for you: Replay Link (http://bin.smwcentral.net/u/12382/th9_udSA01LunaticCOMvsCOM.rpy)Thanks for the submission, but it's something I cannot accept at the moment. Replays have to be played by the player, and I've seen some of these versus AI replays. Some of these go for upwards of hours before finishing which is unfortunately not feasible.
It's a battle between two Lunatic AIs, and it lasts for OVER 9000 seconds!(Yes, I know this is an April Fools joke, but the replay is genuine, if you're really interested.)
Alright, fair enough. Well, I guess I could submit my best Extra Stage run of Great Fairy Wars then, which I can assure you was played by me and not an AI.Alright! However, in the future, please use the submission form which should be on the first post of this thread. If not, it should be on the link within the Twitch description.
Replay Link (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=38236)
I finished with 1000% Motivation and scored 81,556,520 in this run.
(Note: The slowdown rate is a rather high 8.29% because it was played on an older computer that lagged whenever there was a lot of ice on the screen.)
Uhh... Say...I've seen it. It's still in. I've decided to keep the sheet private, for now.
Is there a way to see the runs submitted or something?
I submit one about a month ago or so and apparently it still has yet to appear. Now Idk if either the queue is that long, or I might have never actually submited it in the first place and I just don't remember it correctly....or maybe it was invalid for some reason? XD.
That sounds reasonable -- but what about replays submitted previously that haven't been shown yet? Are they still in the queue, or should we resubmit them if we still want them to be shown?For now, I'll consider them "in the queue" - but only if there is still room to include these. If not, I'll say when to resubmit them.
Ehhhh...I had to do this precisely because there's a huge backlog and I took several measures to reduce the queue. There is both a cap on the total number of replays and the amount one person can submit at a time, so the incentive is to make people think about what they really want to submit. I do not think it will encourage replay spamming for this reason.
I will be honest. Not much of a fan of the whole "theres a cap of x number of replays, once that's reached, the form is closed and nobody can send anything until next month".
I mean. I don't know how many replays do you actually get and how often... But if theres too many that it forces you to close them halfway thorough the month, that would be problematic I believe.
Its basically encouraging everyone to spam replays asap every month, potentially closing the form too soon.
This is just my 2cents though. Hopefully it will work just fine.
Would it be possible to change up my own replay with another one? Only do this if it is not a bother to do so, no problem if you cant, thank you.Well afaik there's only the HSiFS demo ones, so there's not much point.
Yeah but I meant like if I link a new one to replace the current one if its possible xD.Well it's probably a bit late for that.
Alright, I just sent a replay, and I stated it on the comment section but I might as well state it here, I would like if that replay took priority over the replay I sent before (Show it earlier).For now, no, unless we don't get enough replays for tomorrow (which I doubt, but we'll see).
Also technically that old replay was sent before these new rules. Does it mean it will be getting show sometime the next month?
With regards to the "one submission per month" thing, is that once every 30-31 days or so, or just once in each month?Once on each monthly submission form I post.
May I submit one stage practice run and a full run of which I only want to showcase one stage?you can do that but just tell us which stage.