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Title: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Failure McFailFace on April 09, 2017, 07:20:38 PM
So 1000 posts and thread locked, time to start another.

I haven't been playing as much mostly because lack of orbs. I have been playing every day, though, for the free stuff.

I also keep forgetting to check in every 30 minutes for the voting gauntlet.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 09, 2017, 08:38:53 PM
I'm out of brave axes. Spare ones, anyway. And that means I can't build michalis OR cherche. Atm the game is starting to remind me of pre-piis pad. I don't know if there was ever an era that didn't have tamadras, but throw that in there too. And take out farmable skill ups (limited to two! ^^) and you have the current fe heroes. Oh would you like to get some fancy new upgrades in weapons and skills for your unit-in-work? Well pay up them stones. Oh wait, I forgot. Take out the extra dungeons too, no stones for you.
Oh right, and limit evo-mats to being acquirable only once a month and only if you evolve NOTHING ELSE in the meantime.

e: if they're going to continue making feathers so abominably difficult to acquire in large amounts at once, the least they could do is at least offer an option to pay for some 5* skills in feathers for some discount amount at inheritance. I wouldn't mind shelling out 5k feathers for per 5* skill, or hell even 10k for a 5* skill.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 09, 2017, 08:46:30 PM
This probably sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but we've seen things improve a lot since the start and I imagine they'll continue to do so. Just like with PAD. If you're at a point where you're not having fun, maybe take a break and keep an eye out. Or only login once daily to do PVP. No sense pushing it if it's moving too slow for you.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 09, 2017, 09:01:13 PM
No yeah for sure. Bored at times, sure, but I'm still having my decent share of fun. Trying to come up with new builds is always fun. More of a short laugh of exasperation. All I want to do is continue building with blocks and there's no more blocks for an unforeseeable while is all. Can't say the same for others.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 09, 2017, 10:49:15 PM
Oof, I just lost a PVP round by confusing myself over which of my Camillas was which. Tried to tank a Takumi with normal Cam and threw Bunnycam in front of a Linde. This is the problem with Too Many Waifus...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 10, 2017, 01:21:22 AM
Oof, I just lost a PVP round by confusing myself over which of my Camillas was which. Tried to tank a Takumi with normal Cam and threw Bunnycam in front of a Linde. This is the problem with Too Many Waifus...

now you can't use camilla until april is over
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 10, 2017, 01:42:36 AM
Oof, I just lost a PVP round by confusing myself over which of my Camillas was which. Tried to tank a Takumi with normal Cam and threw Bunnycam in front of a Linde. This is the problem with Too Many Waifus...
I almost did that with my Lyn.... yesterday during a voting match it was crazy...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 10, 2017, 03:47:58 AM
To any lyn users: how is galeforce post skill-inheritance? I happened to use a cordelia with one and was confused for a second when I had an extra action before oh oh oh started. Seems pretty good.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 10, 2017, 04:45:45 AM
Gale Force is really hard to evaluate. It's occasionally a lifesaver, but it takes a lot of setup to use, sometimes it doesn't really do anything, and it takes up a slot that might be better suited for Moonbow or something. But Lyn tends to hit like a truck if she's at critical health, so in many cases she doesn't actually need another ability in its place to take things down. Notably it pairs really well with Rehabilitate since most enemies should be able to knock Lyn low but not quite kill her as long as you keep lance users and brave weapons away from her, which lets you get the benefit of her low-health abilities while also surviving long enough to do stuff.

I've gravitated away from using Lyn in favor of Olivia, but there's no doubt that with some proper setup Lyn can sweep through whole teams solo. Building around her with a Rehabilitate healer and several Wings Of Mercy users might be really interesting. If I was going to do that would I replace Gale Force? Probably not, but that might be more for flavor than for any other reason.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 10, 2017, 05:05:55 AM
I feel like Galeforce is better on a tanky unit, or someone that can kill stuff at range. It's much easier to get away with ranged killing than attacking 2rng up close. If you can tank, you just rack up the counter on an applicable target and go to town. Lyn is neither of these.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 10, 2017, 09:33:28 AM
Hm ok thanks guys!

In an attempt to better increase my tactics, I decided to try analyzing how the ai decides to make its moves. I took screenshots of every turn of every battle since then, deliberately remaining passive to see how the ai moves and using up a couple duel crests in the process.

At first it seemed easy, the ai initially 'assigns' a target for each unit and moves each unit independently to head towards the opposing unit that it could deal the most damage to.

But the real wtf quotient starts kicking in when the ai starts attacking you. The more I played, the less sense the underlying decision making process made. An ai marth would attack subaki instead of palla. Sometimes it would ignore a kill to do even less damage (and I'm not talking complex move patterns here). Sometimes it would ignore damage and color advantage (that could have orko'd) to instead attack an off-color unit. Sometimes it chooses to attack the color disadvantaged, bulkier unit instead of the frailer, color neutral one. I don't get it. I can only assume that there's an rng that sometimes causes the ai to make less than optimal decisions. Which I guess can be neat at times when you survive for no intelligible reason, but it makes things conversely hard to predict. Since the first 3-4 turns are what mostly determine the match, even though the first tidbit I guess is all I would need to know and be reassured of its apparentness, it is still a little bamboozling.

e: ah, I just realized, this means that it's very difficult to nearly impossible to separate two identical or nearly identical threats from each other (say, two takumis) from clumping together. You would really have to abuse the secant out of the terrain and initial unit starting positions. If the two takumis or whatever start next to each other, good luck I guess. But then again, y'all run stuff that aren't afraid of him anyway. The best way would be to bait one of them into attacking another unit while staying out of the second ones way. Then while you kite the first one away, the second will continue to go after its initial target (I think... as long as you stay out of its way).
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 10, 2017, 09:46:19 AM
But the real wtf quotient starts kicking in when the ai starts attacking you. The more I played, the less sense the underlying decision making process made. An ai marth would attack subaki instead of palla. Sometimes it would ignore a kill to do even less damage (and I'm not talking complex move patterns here). Sometimes it would ignore damage and color advantage (that could have orko'd) to instead attack an off-color unit. Sometimes it chooses to attack the color disadvantaged, bulkier unit instead of the frailer, color neutral one. I don't get it. I can only assume that there's an rng that sometimes causes the ai to make less than optimal decisions. Which I guess can be neat at times when you survive for no intelligible reason, but it makes things conversely hard to predict. Since the first 3-4 turns are what mostly determine the match, even though the first tidbit I guess is all I would need to know and be reassured of its apparentness, it is still a little bamboozling.

That seems strange. Usually the AI in every FE game can be predicted down to the digit. Having it randomly attack targets just seems very off from what they're known to do in the games.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 10, 2017, 10:00:23 AM
That seems strange. Usually the AI in every FE game can be predicted down to the digit. Having it randomly attack targets just seems very off from what they're known to do in the games.
yeah... I swear I'm going insane or something. Will probably continue observing for a little longer

Forgive me for the double post, but I'll give the practical application of it here.

Since the ai will initially assign a target for each of its units to go after, ideally you will want to bait the enemy into sending a pair or so of units towards your pair or so of units that can effectively deal with the threats while keeping the bait out of reach.

Eg: the enemy has 2 red sword units and 2 mage units. You send the magically frailest unit off to bait away the mages while your second group contains, say, a blue lance unit and a physically frail the physically frailest green unit to bait the red sword units towards you. Swiftly clean up the reds and go the care of the remaining mages.

Ideally you'd have something like that, but it may not always be so perfectly possible what with the map (bridges, anyone?) or having your bait trap unit invite its own threat too because of its weakness. This will be all the more abusable once pre-battle positioning becomes a thing.


e: managed to get a no death full run of arena with all fliers (yayy for palla in the bonus characters) with this newfound knowledge. Couldn't even break past the 50k rank though. I should probably form an arena scoring team sometime too.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 10, 2017, 12:40:47 PM
Alright, so you know that thing where my RNG is terrible unless it's getting me Camillas? I just did a gacha pull fishing for Beruka for theme purposes, or another Camilla to add some + to my current one. I uh got another 5* Camilla in one pull. :v

She's +Res, - Spd, which is frankly pretty awful. Could have kept her for redundancy, to try a different set, to inherit Brave Axe+ onto something, or for some kind of insane four-Camillas team, but I decided to merge her with Camilla Prime for +1 HP and +1 Spd.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 10, 2017, 01:42:15 PM
Alright, so you know that thing where my RNG is terrible unless it's getting me Camillas? I just did a gacha pull fishing for Beruka for theme purposes, or another Camilla to add some + to my current one. I uh got another 5* Camilla in one pull. :v

She's +Res, - Spd, which is frankly pretty awful. Could have kept her for redundancy, to try a different set, to inherit Brave Axe+ onto something, or for some kind of insane four-Camillas team, but I decided to merge her with Camilla Prime for +1 HP and +1 Spd.

could have worked towards the 4camilla dream
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 10, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
Camilla would be sad if she didn't have a Corrin to love. I think the dream team right now is 2x Camilla, FCorrin, and MCorrin. The only one I don't own is the MCorrin.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 10, 2017, 03:49:36 PM
So after over 170 recorded PVP matches I FINALLY found an enemy team with a duplicate unit on it. You'll never guess who it was.

(http://i.imgur.com/7vcE7fw.jpg)

Fuuuucking Young Tiki!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 10, 2017, 03:51:55 PM
Since the ai will initially assign a target for each of its units to go after
I revise my previous statement. It's a bit erroneous to say that the ai 'assigns' a target at the start of the match. I was so confused by its moves in the later half of the game that I was stuck in a weird state of mind. It would probably be more correct to say that the ai always moves any unit not in attacking range towards the unit that it would do the most damage to. There seem to be some exceptions, such as when the unit would do 0 damage anyway, or if the unit has a rally command of some sort.

I also made another small discovery to add to this. When the ai is choosing which of your units to move each of their units towards -- I've already mentioned that it appears to move towards the unit it would do the most damage to, ie: it performs simple cross-damage calculations against each of your units and simply picks the one that would provide the highest damage -- but the ai also seems to ignore any non-permanent buffs when performing this calculation.

To provide an example, consider the following.
You have two flying units: flying unit X with 18 natural defense is in the left corner of the map and another flying unit Y with 17 natural defense is in the right corner of the map (assume that all units have equal speed, ie: no doubling). The ai will move its bow units towards the unit in the right corner, EVEN IF that unit is currently receiving defensive buffs (regardless of whether it's from a hone or goad skill) that is making its current defense higher than that of the unit in the other corner.

B - enemy bow unit
X - 18 defense
Y - 17 defense (currently buffed to, say, 25)

|------B-----|
|-------\-----|
|--------\----|
|---------\---|
|X---------Y |

B will move towards the one with naturally lower defense, even if it is currently higher through buffs, whether from in-combat (spurs) or displayed (fortify) buff skills.

Since direct stat mods like Def+3 skills are permanent, these are not ignored.


This is pretty huge, since it means that you can safely buff your units without having to worry about how it will affect the ai's movements.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 10, 2017, 08:09:11 PM
So happy I won a gauntlet match by the skin my teeth against blue units THANKS RYOMA user. <3
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 10, 2017, 08:18:38 PM
Thinking of putting Goad Fliers on SCamilla.  She's still got nothing in her C slot.

I wish my Palla wasn't -ATK, or I'd probably just kick her to 5* instead.  All of her default skills are great except her sword, and her stat spread is pretty solid.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 10, 2017, 08:49:12 PM
Thinking of putting Goad Fliers on SCamilla.  She's still got nothing in her C slot.

I wish my Palla wasn't -ATK, or I'd probably just kick her to 5* instead.  All of her default skills are great except her sword, and her stat spread is pretty solid.

That's probably not a bad call. I run Threaten Speed on mine and it is nice, but mine is +Spd or I probably would have picked something else.

What are you running on her as an active skill?
Mine still has Rally Attack and it does come in handy occasionally, but mostly I keep finding myself wishing it was Swap or Reposition. Not that I have an extra Reposition on hand.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2017, 08:56:11 PM
5-hour maintenance scheduled for tomorrow, I think this is the first maintenance?
I hope it gets extended for free orb compensation.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 10, 2017, 09:11:11 PM
What are you running on her as an active skill?
Mine still has Rally Attack and it does come in handy occasionally, but mostly I keep finding myself wishing it was Swap or Reposition. Not that I have an extra Reposition on hand.

I get enough use out of Rally Attack to keep it there, but I've considered swapping in Reposition, which is just completely bonkers on fliers.  I already use it on Hinoka to great effect - it's a great get out of jail free card for Reinhardt or Takumi following a ranged snipe.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on April 10, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
5-hour maintenance scheduled for tomorrow, I think this is the first maintenance?
I hope it gets extended for free orb compensation.

Only the legendary 24-hour maintenance can save us all.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 11, 2017, 07:26:44 AM
Huh do sword refreshes and arena quests refresh happen at different times?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on April 11, 2017, 10:13:39 AM
Huh do sword refreshes and arena quests refresh happen at different times?

No, there just seem to be no Arena Quests/Free Orbs today.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 11, 2017, 01:52:54 PM
I'm really at a lost as to what B-passive to give Palla. Took the opportunity to make her 5* since she's one of my goad mvps. Currently running fury 3 too, might even consider changing that. Nothing is really good there that I can think of. Any suggestions anyone?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 11, 2017, 02:07:58 PM
The default answers seem to be Escape Route, Wings Of Mercy, and Quick Riposte. You could also look into various weapon breakers if there's one that secures you a significant kill or protects you from one.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 11, 2017, 03:06:30 PM
Decided to get that last WoM because why not. Can't think of any hard counter color units. And also went ahead and gave her ruby sword+ since I had nothing else in mind and now Hector does no damage while she can otko him without any buffs. Feels good.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 11, 2017, 03:10:11 PM
Wait I just realized and wanted to know do we have to wait for our voting prizes too after the maintenance?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 11, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
Wait I just realized and wanted to know do we have to wait for our voting prizes too after the maintenance?
I popped in a little while ago and the rewards were dropped.

I think really with FEH I'm kinda running out of stuff to do.  And since you can't horde energy there is less reason to push as the events are kinda, to be honest. Awful.

Maybe it's because they're just starting this out but compared to stuff like Metal Slug Attack or Final Fantasy Brave Exvius  the grand battles feel often like 'Hope RNG gave you the few units which are really good at this fight' instead of going for more of a freeform setup.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 11, 2017, 03:37:25 PM
Navarre sucks. He's not like Ursula or Narcian where he's very solid at his job and painless to level up, he's just awkward trash with no clear role. Not looking forward to having to use him on an arena team.

Wait I just realized and wanted to know do we have to wait for our voting prizes too after the maintenance?

As far as I recall we got them right away last time, so any delay is probably to work around maintenance shenanigans.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 11, 2017, 03:43:57 PM
As far as I recall we got them right away last time, so any delay is probably to work around maintenance shenanigans.
Ah thought so because I remember last time we had gotten gems and stuff for that... thankfully I ended up with enough feathers to get give someone a 5* boost, now to decide who FCorrin, Marth, Reinhardt (Dunno how to spell), Chrom, A.Tiki, or Jakob. Ooooooor should I hold off?

@Edible I meant to also say I got your friend request lol your Reinhardt keeps popping up at my base.

Navarre sucks. He's not like Ursula or Narcian where he's very solid at his job and painless to level up, he's just awkward trash with no clear role. Not looking forward to having to use him on an arena team.
To me he's just an ungraded version of Lon'qu saying it bluntly.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 11, 2017, 03:48:23 PM
There's the feather reward based on individual performance, which we've already gotten, and a badges+ton of stones reward for everyone based on overall performance that we haven't gotten yet. I believe that's incoming very soon if I remember last time right.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 11, 2017, 04:06:56 PM
Wait I just realized and wanted to know do we have to wait for our voting prizes too after the maintenance?

There's the feather reward based on individual performance, which we've already gotten, and a badges+ton of stones reward for everyone based on overall performance that we haven't gotten yet. I believe that's incoming very soon if I remember last time right.

the extra reward for total votes is handed out by IS personally and you should never expect it immediately, especially if the total vote amount is over 6x what IS expects the max to be
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 12, 2017, 02:20:27 AM
Wait is over!

Got about 300 more score from arena based on the new matching system. I forgot pre battle positioning was a thing until the last map but didn't really need it, still it's nice to have. S skills look pretty cool.

Drag back on hinoka is one of my best decisions in this game, it works soo amazingly well in tandem with other reposition units. My previous problem with ranged units is more or less gone and no one touches me anymore unless it's deliberate. Tactical. Nuke. It's pretty nasty stuff. I could consider having it on palla as well, but haven't come across a time when I wished she had it. Then again WoM is pretty unused already so I might try it out anyway.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 12, 2017, 05:04:48 AM
Did a few test arena runs, and at ~670 point fights you are nearly guaranteed to see distant counter, close counter, or dancers with wings of mercy. Wings Dancers are insanely annoying, because now this means you basically can't bait anyone half the time, because the enemy will just teleport across the map and kill you. Sucks for anyone trying to use tanks.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 12, 2017, 07:59:23 AM
First match I got nailed with a +7 takumi and +10 Lucina. Lucina had the +HP seal and distant counter. Felt fucking bad lul
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 12, 2017, 10:35:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ro8PWxe.jpg)

I didn't ask for thiiiiis! But fine I guess, it's been basically no time since my last 5* so it's not like I built up the pull boost and then wasted it or anything.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 12, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
i'm joining the felicia world order

There seems to be a little bonus if you take on enemies above your level. I don't know if this ever applies when you're max level, but this might be more lucrative than fighting the purple strata with a full40 team.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 12, 2017, 02:42:17 PM
I might hold onto my 40 orbs for the next gacha that comes out, however oh boy these missions look fun to do even then I might have to see which one suits me more.

@commandercool I think passed on the 5* Peri curse to you whoops.  :ohdear:

Edit: New gacha for FEHeroes in 2 days promotion of new game much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NSNGtmDV_U
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 12, 2017, 03:01:22 PM
Ok so far most enemy teams I come up against have at least one +10 enemy and that's usually Lucina. Most teams also seem to heavily favor red unit I think, I've only used like 3 duel crests so far.

I'm trying to decide if its worth just ditching red over all. Only problem I would have is Hector but my cherche has threaten defense so I'm not worried about him.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 12, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
I have a suspicion that all the units on this banner are going to be middling at best.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 12, 2017, 03:22:41 PM
I have a suspicion that all the units on this banner are going to be middling at best.
Hrm that's what I believe too....
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 12, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
The S seals are out already?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 12, 2017, 04:45:40 PM
Three very basic ones are. There's sort of a "quest chain" to get them.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 12, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Leveling up a Subaki to get the last one is going to be very sad times, but at least I guess I'm not in the boat where I have to also level up a Cecilia too.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 12, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
Honestly I'm finding Subaki to be very easy to level. He's bulky as fuck and has Sapphire Lance so if you just single out sword units for him to pick on he's invincible. Haven't run into tons of archers up to ~level 25 though, so if that becomes a thing I might have a problem.

This makes me wonder if Subaki isn't aaaalmost viable since he handles red units very handily, especially sword lords. That weakness to arrows and the relatively common green magic units probably means he's too sketchy to really use, but on the right team I could see him doing a ton of work.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 12, 2017, 08:26:09 PM
triangle attack lets go

(http://i.imgur.com/VTbSn74.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Hikarin on April 13, 2017, 12:19:30 AM
Meanwhile I roll 8 times and get crap every time : P
I guess my luck's run out.

On another note, I changed my team a bunch, and I started winning Arena battles again!

Not really sure how good it is, but I'm running Nowi/Camilla/Ninian/Lucina.
Nowi still needs a Vantage 2, but she's done aside from that. Ninian has Wings of Mercy. Everyone else is merely level 40, with some inherits I don't have SP for.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 13, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
Sbk
I have Iote's shield on mine and it does take up the A-slot but I don't think he misses it. He's probably one of the better physical tanks considering his good mobility in being a flier (bulkiest pegasus knight on the physical side) and safety from being doubled with a spd of 35. Not a whole lot of physical tanks can boast of having all 3 of bulk, mobility, and speed. Give him ignis and he can dish out a tonne of damage too. His terrible res makes him an excellent bait so I often send him off to the corner for the first 2 or so turns to get them pesky mages away from the flock.

e: reconsidering not having given him sapphire lance now that bulky greens are no problem at all. He waas on seal def duty but that's changing.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 13, 2017, 01:07:07 AM
So if this banner is Alm and his three merry compatriots, the next banner should be Celica and her three starting buddies (two mages and a cleric).  The latter is probably the better of the two banners, then, just going by the units.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 13, 2017, 02:58:32 AM
Man, people really like slapping Vantage on everything don't they? I'm finding a lot of teams with 3/4 Vantage users. It's not generally that hard to play around. Is there a common strategy that has a really hard time with Vantage or something? I guess it might get some sneaky wins if people overlook it, but I would think Wings Of Mercy would be better for that.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 13, 2017, 03:04:36 AM
I just realized how -- no, not even useless, -- but potentially debilitating savage blow is post SI where everyone and their mothers has vantage or brash assault or whatever. Even if a single activation on a full health unit isn't enough to get their hp below 75%, all it takes is 3 more before or after that either from combat, fury activation, etc, to add up to ~10 dmg. And there aren't a whole lot of units above 40 hp. You could accidentally be shooting yourself in the foot without realizing it before it's too late.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 13, 2017, 05:24:38 AM
I just realized how -- no, not even useless, -- but potentially debilitating savage blow is post SI where everyone and their mothers has vantage or brash assault or whatever. Even if a single activation on a full health unit isn't enough to get their hp below 75%, all it takes is 3 more before or after that either from combat, fury activation, etc, to add up to ~10 dmg. And there aren't a whole lot of units above 40 hp. You could accidentally be shooting yourself in the foot without realizing it before it's too late.

yeah this is why i'm holding off on using it because it can potentially proc a full vantage team which I am not equipped to fight

Man, people really like slapping Vantage on everything don't they? I'm finding a lot of teams with 3/4 Vantage users. It's not generally that hard to play around. Is there a common strategy that has a really hard time with Vantage or something? I guess it might get some sneaky wins if people overlook it, but I would think Wings Of Mercy would be better for that.

The thing is you only need to win defense once. It doesn't matter if something is better - if it works even once then that's all you need.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 13, 2017, 06:23:12 AM
Quote
Windsweep 3:   If unit initiates attack, no follow-up occurs. Against foe with sword, lance, axe, bow, or dagger, if unit?s Spd - foe?s Spd ≥ 1, foe can?t counterattack.
According to data miners in the community, there's a new skill (among others) like the above. Sounds pretty useful on, idk, like kagero if she was stacked with poison touch and what not together with a dancer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 13, 2017, 08:36:11 AM
there's nothing wrong with me I swear

(http://i.imgur.com/iLaxOjS.jpg)

Hero merit does NOT reset once you acquire it, meaning these are all one-time gifts.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 13, 2017, 01:39:53 PM
Ooh, the arena is rough as hell now. Not sure if that has to do with the new changes or just weird luck, but my matches the last couple of days have been really tricky. I do love me a Fire Emblem-based challenge.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 13, 2017, 03:32:30 PM
Further ai investigating. If an enemy would do the same amount of damage to two units (eg: takumi vs. deciding whether to go after one of two flying units, both with the same def and spd), then it seeeems to go after the closer one. Or at least, the one that was the closest initially at the beginning of the match. Once it decides to target that unit, it sticks to targetting that unit for the rest of the match. Or at least it seeeems to. There's one instance or so where a takumi ended up deciding to go after the one that was closest from turn 1 for the rest of the match, so maybe it just picks one of the two at random and then sticks to going after that one for the rest of the match.

e: I deleted the 2nd paragraph since I was mistaken, but if anyone read it, ignore what I wrote, I was going insane after all.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 14, 2017, 03:23:48 AM
there's nothing wrong with me I swear
How. Did you use stamina potions or what?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 14, 2017, 03:37:31 AM
How. Did you use stamina potions or what?

A shitload, I think.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 14, 2017, 05:10:34 AM
How. Did you use stamina potions or what?

Just used about 17. Still got over 30 left because IS is way too good to their players right now
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on April 14, 2017, 09:26:10 AM
Got Claire out of my draw today, which was what I was aiming for, and a Setsuna as a Bonus. She's only a 3 star, but considering that i have close to 40k feathers, it might be worth getting her up to 5 stars, just so I can finally replace Takumi on my main team.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 14, 2017, 12:42:08 PM
Not the best banner in the world.  Dumped my orbs anyway because Clair is cute, got Clair.  Also got a (4*) Eirika which is super nice.

I have a suspicion that all the units on this banner are going to be middling at best.

Hrm that's what I believe too....

Victory :V
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 14, 2017, 02:17:41 PM
Not the best banner in the world.  Dumped my orbs anyway because Clair is cute, got Clair.  Also got a (4*) Eirika which is super nice.

Victory :V
Nailed it! Also gonna do the casino rolls after some breakfast which means salt fest coming soon no additional orbs will be bought though only the $74.99.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 14, 2017, 02:27:13 PM
Not the best banner in the world.  Dumped my orbs anyway because Clair is cute, got Clair.  Also got a (4*) Eirika which is super nice.

Victory :V

I would hardly call units that have two game-changing skills and one game-changing bow "middling"
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 14, 2017, 02:33:16 PM
Yeah, I don't know what you guys were expecting but this seems pretty solid to me. I also seem to recall that everyone called the banner with Eirika and Ephraim "mediocre" and "disappointing" but people seem to love them now if usage is any indication. I'm not sure you're right about this banner, and I'm not sure anyone can really make that call at this point regardless.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2017, 03:44:40 PM
http://m.imgur.com/a/EAKHJ funny stuff.

But really a counter to vantage and distant/close counter is pretty welcome imo. But other than that everyone's stats are pretty bad. Alms speed is bad he will never be able to stop counters from pretty much anyone. Faye will always get doubled or quad and just die. I think Clair might be an amazing unit to have.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 14, 2017, 03:52:08 PM
Yeah, I don't know what you guys were expecting but this seems pretty solid to me. I also seem to recall that everyone called the banner with Eirika and Ephraim "mediocre" and "disappointing" but people seem to love them now if usage is any indication. I'm not sure you're right about this banner, and I'm not sure anyone can really make that call at this point regardless.

Yeah, I dunno why anyone would think anything that stops vantage or distant/close counter is mediocre. What IS mediocre is that you're supposed to sacrifice these units to get them on anyone else.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 14, 2017, 05:01:19 PM
What IS mediocre is that you're supposed to sacrifice these units to get them on anyone else.

That was kind of my view, honestly.  They're whatever units with some great one-off abilities.  Being able to soft-counter vantage etc is good, but only great on a better unit (or the existing unit with heavy investment).

With that said, it's entirely possible Alm or Faye (or both) will be 4* units like Eirika and Reinhardt after their banners, making inheriting those skills somewhat less painful.

In other news, now that I have a good candidate for Goad Fliers (Clair), I fed Nino to Spring Camilla for maximum gronnblade shenanigans for Flier Emblem.

Edit: Random note on Clair / Hit & Run, but this skill seems to have fewer overall uses than Drag Back.  I've been running Drag Back on Lyn for a while and I can't think of many situations where she's hit something and I wished she didn't bring the enemy back a square with her.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 14, 2017, 05:08:00 PM
In other news, now that I have a good candidate for Goad Fliers (Clair), I fed Nino to Spring Camilla for maximum gronnblade shenanigans for Flier Emblem.

Yeah, honestly I've been considering doing that myself. I'd have to spent 20k feathers to max out a Nino to get Gronnblade+, and I love the goofy animation of Camilla's existing weapon, but I can't deny that Gronnblade would be much better.

Green Egg isn't *completely* horrible on my current SCam build though. I have Iote's Shield, Quick Riposte and Threaten Speed on her, so being able to heal off the (usually minor) damage archers deal to her to get back into Quick Riposte Range is nice in theory. In practice there are rarely two opponents on the same team that Quick Riposte is that relevant for, but it could matter. And the Threaten Speed combined with my SCamilla's +Spd nature means I can double up on enemies surprisingly often, so I don't necessarily need a stronger spell to take a lot of stuff (even sword lords) out.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 14, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
It's that time again for the MewMewHeart roll casino!

Let's see how lucky I get!~
---------

First Roll: 4 WHOPPING REDS and 1 Blue.

Result: dupe 4* Marth, dupe 3* Hinata, dupe 3* Stahl, dupe 4* Stahl, and dupe 4* Shanna.


Comment: BULLSHIT! I CALL BULLSHIT!
============
Second Roll: 2 reds, 1 gray, 1 green, and 1 blue.

Result: dupe 3 star Niles, dupe 3* Palla, dupe 4* Catria, dupe 4* Olivia, and dupe 3* Gunter.


Comment: I think RNG is salty about me pulling full Spring unit set.  :V

===========
Third Roll: Two greens, 1 Red, 1 Gray, and 1 blue.

Result: dupe 3* Saizo, dupe 3* Beruka, dupe 4* Raigh, dupe 3* Sully, and dupe 4* Hawkeye


Comment: LUCK.EXE CANNOT BE FOUND PLS SEND HALP!    :derp:

===========
Fourth Roll: Two blue, 1 gray, 1 red, and 1 green

Result: dupe 3* Matthew, dupe 4* Chrom, dupe 4* Odin, dupe 4* Effie, and dupe 3* Barte


Comment: THIS...IS...UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    >:(

===========
Fifth Roll: 1 gray, two red, 1 blue, and 1 green

Result: dupe 3 star Lissa, 5* Alm (Made my friend who did 11 rolls for him salty.~), dupe 3* Barte, dupe 3* Hana, and dupe 3* Gwendolyn. 


Comment: Small victory for the Alm roll so yay.~    

==========

Sixth Roll: Two greens, 2 reds, and 1 gray.

Result: dupe 3* Selena/Severa, dupe 4* Merric, dupe 3* Draug, dupe 3* Barte, and dupe 3* Wrys.


Comment: Meh.   

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Seventh Roll: 3 grays and 2 blues.

Result: dupe 3* Gauis, dupe 3* Florina, dupe 3* Gordin, dupe 4* Clarine, and dupe 3* Subaki.


Comment: Time to rev up the grinder after this.   

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Eighth Roll: 4 grays!?! 1 Blue.

Result: dupe 4* Felicia, dupe 3* Gordin, dupe 3* Saizo, dupe 3* Donnel, and dupe 4* Setsuna


Comment: IT'S TIME TO STOP THE BULLSHIT!!!!!   
=========

That's all Imma do I'll save my orbs, wow my luck is poor this time. Imma save my last 20 orbs before I end shooting myself in the foot.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 14, 2017, 06:54:21 PM
Edit: Random note on Clair / Hit & Run, but this skill seems to have fewer overall uses than Drag Back.  I've been running Drag Back on Lyn for a while and I can't think of many situations where she's hit something and I wished she didn't bring the enemy back a square with her.
Perhaps, if it's on an infantry unit and/or on a team with ranged units. But melee only flier teams like me would probably prefer hit and run. In the event that you won't kill the target, you would always want to retreat and the terrain may not always allow for that, like if you were attacking over a river.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 14, 2017, 07:27:49 PM
It's that time again for the MewMewHeart roll casino!

Let's see how lucky I get!~
---------

First Roll: Hinata for Fury/Shanna for Desperation/Marth for Pivot

Second Roll: Palla for Wings of Mercy

Third Roll: Hawkeye for Death Blow

Fourth Roll: Odin for Moonbow and Effie for Death blow

Fifth Roll: Hana for Life&Death and Alm

Sixth Roll: Selena for Reposition

Seventh Roll: Subaki for Quick Riposte

Eighth Roll: Donnel for HP+5 and Felicia the best character in the whole game

Comment: OH MY GOD THESE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY FUCKING GOOD I HAVE BEEN SNORTING PEYOTE!!!!!

Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 14, 2017, 07:29:14 PM
So has anyone else been noticing a huge shift in the arena since the update? I'm seeing much stronger teams and a different spread of unit usage. I think I'll be retiring my previous 1.0.1 arena usage list (partly because of this new shift and partly because I accidentally deleted like six days worth of data without entering it :V) and starting over for 1.0.2.

I have very little data on 1.0.2 so far, but what little I do have looks like what you might expect. Common units include Hector and Reinhardt, which makes sense, but also interestingly Eirika. Any of that could be a fluke at this point though because I have so little information. Expect an actual list with a slightly more acceptable number of data points in a week or so.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 14, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
I've found new arena to be easier for some reason, which runs counter to basically everyone else. Before I could barely break 4.3k, but now I have 4,732 and a top 10k rank, and that's with using a 4* Olivia.

Something that might be important is that I haven't skill inherited a single unit, although I did smack seals on all 3 of my fighting team members. I'm wondering what score range you guys who experimented with SI are getting.

Edit: I also don't think I've seen a single Hector or Reinhardt this week, possibly because they're common SI targets.

Edit 2: Pic
(https://puu.sh/vkjbU/55f3a0ed1b.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 14, 2017, 09:02:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Uxqglmt.jpg)

This is my score right now, although I haven't had a perfect run yet. I lost one unit in my best run.

My team is extremely inherit-heavy, and I've been having a much harder time than previously. Which is great, the added challenge is a blast.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 14, 2017, 10:57:11 PM
It's that time again for the MewMewHeart roll casino!

Let's see how lucky I get!~
---------

First Roll: Hinata for Fury/Shanna for Desperation/Marth for Pivot

Second Roll: Palla for Wings of Mercy

Third Roll: Hawkeye for Death Blow

Fourth Roll: Odin for Moonbow and Effie for Death blow

Fifth Roll: Hana for Life&Death and Alm

Sixth Roll: Selena for Reposition

Seventh Roll: Subaki for Quick Riposte

Eighth Roll: Donnel for HP+5 and Felicia the best character in the whole game

Comment: OH MY GOD THESE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY FUCKING GOOD I HAVE BEEN SNORTING PEYOTE!!!!!
THAT'S CAFFEINE TO YOU GOOD SIR!

Now to actually give some skills away to units who need it.~
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 16, 2017, 05:25:37 AM
Edit: Random note on Clair / Hit & Run, but this skill seems to have fewer overall uses than Drag Back.  I've been running Drag Back on Lyn for a while and I can't think of many situations where she's hit something and I wished she didn't bring the enemy back a square with her.
i dont think drag back works if the enemy dies so in either case if the enemy does or doesnt die this lets you put an ally in range of someones goad/hone buffs.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 16, 2017, 05:41:03 AM
i dont think drag back works if the enemy dies so in either case if the enemy does or doesnt die this lets you put an ally in range of someones goad/hone buffs.
both drag back and lunge work even if the enemy dies. It's also one of the only reasons melee only fliers works at all :V
despite the wording on the skill, what won't work is if you try attacking a ground unit with a flier from over a mountain/river/lava and they don't die. The skill description for drag back makes it sound like you would retreat back a space anyway, but if the ground unit can't move into your current space, you won't retreat back either.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 16, 2017, 01:35:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9hYVugVoAALG6u.jpg)

Quadsuna fans rejoice?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 16, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
I wonder if they'll keep cycling 3 the FEH lords like they've done for the past few cycles or if they'll disappear and come back after a few months (again). Debating how much I want to invest in them if it means I don't have to worry about always having arena ready units.

Also, I've been trying to train up a Navarre and he's probably the weakest of the GHB units so far.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 16, 2017, 11:12:38 PM
Yeah, I maxed out my 4* Navarre but I reeeeally don't like him. Strongly considering promoting Sharena to 5*.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 17, 2017, 03:41:51 AM
While IS is taking their time on that content, I started playing through Sacred Stones since someone sold me on how Ephraim is actually a pretty awesome lord/mc (and also since my 3ds is still being borrowed). Have to say it's a lot easier than conquest on the hardest difficult so far, unless they really toned down the difficulty on localization or the difficulty really kicks in post- route selecting. Would be pretty interesting if Ephraim was the harder difficulty, like conquest vs br.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 17, 2017, 04:00:47 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of Sacred Stones. On one hand it looks fantastic and the monster enemies are super cool, but on the other hand I really don't care for grinding in my Fire Emblem and Summoner is the most degenerately broken class in any Fire Emblem game I've ever played (except maaaaaybe Heron in Radiant Dawn, but I think Summoner still wins) for how badly it breaks the AI. Definitely worth a playthrough and I know some people absolutely love it, but it's not one of my favorites.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 17, 2017, 04:18:58 AM
YOU ALSO PLAYED THE WRONG ROUTE EIRIKA ROUTE FOREVER
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 17, 2017, 04:32:14 AM
The game only gets (relatively) challenging after the route split. You should definitely play both routes, but Ephraim is harder while Eirika's route has better plot so I guess it is kinda like Birthrout and Conquest

I wouldn't know about the viability of grinding because it eats up too many weapon uses for my liking. Is Summoner really that good? I'm currently on a playthrough right now and I've never used one, but I don't know if I want to train up Knoll.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 17, 2017, 04:38:49 AM
YOU ALSO PLAYED THE WRONG ROUTE EIRIKA ROUTE FOREVER

Oh I've played both routes quite a few times. I'VE SEEN EIRIKA.

The game only gets (relatively) challenging after the route split. You should definitely play both routes, but Ephraim is harder.

I wouldn't know about the viability of grinding because it eats up too many weapon uses for my liking. Is Summoner really that good? I'm currently on a playthrough right now and I've never used one, but I don't know if I want to train up Knoll.

There are techniques to make grinding a lot more viable. You don't have to use them of course, but they're there. I won't mention how you do them, but you can find them easily if you look them up.

The thing that's ridiculous about Summoner is that the AI prioritizes kills over everything else, and the summoned ghosts have 1 HP and no defense, so any enemy can kill them in one hit. Which means all enemies will always target them over everything, and they're completely disposable because you can make one a turn. So you can use them to bait enemies and distract them from attacking your real characters. They're the best offensive and defensive weapon in the franchise as far as I know, even more so than dancers.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 17, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
I got knocked out of the top 10,000, so I had another go - 4760 got me rank 7815.  Hopefully that'll be enough.

These flier quests came at a pretty convenient time, what with Flier Emblem becoming a very real (and terrifying) thing in my reality.  Finally managed to grind out SP for Gronnblade+ on Bunmilla and it's just overkill city all over the place, and I don't even have a Fortify/Ward Fliers user online yet.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 17, 2017, 03:48:11 PM
YOU ALSO PLAYED THE WRONG ROUTE EIRIKA ROUTE FOREVER
PREACH BROTHER PREACH EIRIKA ROUTE ANYDAY!!!!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 17, 2017, 04:50:35 PM
The game only gets (relatively) challenging after the route split. You should definitely play both routes, but Ephraim is harder while Eirika's route has better plot so I guess it is kinda like Birthrout and Conquest
wait birthright has the better story?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 17, 2017, 04:51:36 PM
It's a low bar.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 17, 2017, 05:05:25 PM
wait birthright has the better story?
LOL according to others Conquest has the better story.~

To me well... Birthright is like generic but good for me.~
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 17, 2017, 05:18:28 PM
It's a low bar.
Point taken

In other news
(https://imgur.com/NMqXM96.png)
2BAMaster
Now I can promote myself
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 17, 2017, 11:33:00 PM
Point taken

In other news
(https://imgur.com/NMqXM96.png)
2BAMaster
Now I can promote myself

Well shit.  My entire scheming of only using Cherche as my only flyer's kicking me in the teeth again.  I mean I got Est and what the pegknight guy but they're traped in 20ish limbo but I need a third air unit
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 18, 2017, 12:04:44 AM
Well, you don't actually need 4 fliers, just a team of all flyers. So as long as Cherche can solo...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 18, 2017, 03:07:28 AM
Well, you don't actually need 4 fliers, just a team of all flyers. So as long as Cherche can solo...

Well she's 4 star/level 40 so the others can be decoys and arrow bait

She's a bad ass but I don't think she's THAT hard core especially point the harder area
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 18, 2017, 12:29:51 PM
I wake up to arena this morning and what do I see
Three vantage takumis and a dancer staring at me
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 18, 2017, 01:58:56 PM
I wake up to arena this morning and what do I see
Three vantage takumis and a dancer staring at me

So  how many hundred dollars do you think you were facing?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 18, 2017, 02:38:29 PM
I think it was 8 Takumis in total, one was a +5.  So unless they got absurdly lucky on the original focus banners, I'd say at least a grand?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 18, 2017, 02:48:48 PM
I think it was 8 Takumis in total, one was a +5.  So unless they got absurdly lucky on the original focus banners, I'd say at least a grand?

In that case you laugh at the fact that while they won their wallets were blown the fuck out!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 18, 2017, 03:10:39 PM
Despite using a team of fliers, I didn't actually lose.  And really, on almost any other map, I probably would've won flawlessly.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 18, 2017, 03:36:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gfh0p6t.jpg)

Well, I made this I guess.

Suppose I'll plan on doing the other starters eventually too. Seems like fun flavor and possibly a decent investment.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 18, 2017, 03:41:59 PM
So I peeked the Lunatic missions for the Flier Mastery and no way in hell can Cherche can pull it off. The Red mage dropped a 60 on her and she couldn't instakill him.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 18, 2017, 03:48:48 PM
Lost to the same guy twice in arena. He had a +10 Erika and +10 bunny Lucina. Being matched in the 694-700 point range. Right now my +SPD Lucina has become a burden and I'm officially ditching red off my team because the only green threat is Julia and spring Camila. Current plan is to get a 3rd blue unit.

Current team: azura cherche hinoka lucina

Red is garbage kappa
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 18, 2017, 04:00:09 PM
I'm considering trying to go for a more tanky bruiser build on camilla. Or, at least a bow revenge killer but then I couldn't get bowbreaker on her, shame. I do have a carrot axe I'm not using, so I could try for like a healing tank or something. She's got decent speed without that brave axe taking its toll on her. Especially on a +spd nature one.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 18, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
I've strongly considered Fury on her and it always seems good when I see enemies use it, although you can't run Iote's Shield then if that's a concern.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 18, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
oh wait I'm a goddamned idiot. If I put iote's shield on her with desperation, then she is a bow revenge killer, d'oh. A good thing too, I think carrot axe sucks on her. Who's she gonna be attacking?

e: but only if she doubles... and she needs darting blow for that. Arggg
e2: or threaten mf speed, this is starting to sound rather specific a build
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 18, 2017, 04:59:51 PM
Now I'm really liking the idea of Life And Death on Camilla, but I can't find it maxed out on a 4*.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 18, 2017, 05:07:35 PM
Yeah according to the list of inherit fodder 4star units, there aren't any four star LaD 3 people, unfortunately. She's in such a weird position of stats. Too balanced, almost. It's like they want you to sacrifice some of her stats with like LaD to build her. Varying builds, but not particularly excellent at any of them.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 18, 2017, 05:39:03 PM
So I peeked the Lunatic missions for the Flier Mastery and no way in hell can Cherche can pull it off. The Red mage dropped a 60 on her and she couldn't instakill him.
Just use 3* Michalis, if you're talking about 9-1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPlM6YPk8IY
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 18, 2017, 07:00:41 PM
ok well I figured it out. It pains me that it's such a waste of valuable space in her passives, but a seal def 3 camilla (with iote's shield, of course) can take out neutral def/hp takumi along with every other bow unit (except virion). And now I have to wonder, is this really worth it? Was it worth figuring this out? I might as well be using cherche or something to kill the guy outright only I don't have any spare brave axes. I could keep her on her current desperation duty but it just doesn't work quickly enough to be able to answer demanding situations like bow units, especially multiple ones. Having only one answer -- hinoka -- in my tool box doesn't make me comfortable - she's not always available or positioned well. The upside to using this set is that it frees camilla's current ardent sacrifice slot for another reposition. Might try building it and see how it fares.

e: my +spd, +1 merged camilla can double a +spd takumi exactly (both 36 spd) if she holds anything other than a brave axe with buffs/debuffs. If she tanks a hit from him and survives the round, he'll be hit with a threaten spd and she'll be in desperation range. If she uses moonbow as a special, then it'll be at 1 cd left and will go off on the second hit, just barely managing to kill him. I don't like any of these options.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 18, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
Ugh, yeah, unfortunately she's really really awkward. You're not wrong about her stats being too balanced. I'm assuming you're factoring in Hone Flyers or whatever buffs, right? I use Spur Atk with mine to help secure kills which is nice, but she's still really awkwardly positioned for a lot of matchups.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 18, 2017, 08:04:50 PM
actually no, I'm planning my stats without flier buffs for those random times when you don't have any around. Although maybe I should include at leaast one goad fliers in there... would make things a lot easier.

e: no, wouldn't help in this case. Camilla's just baarely too slow, like 1 point in speed off, for any combination of threaten speeds and goad fliers to work to double a takumi and yet also keep a desperation in slot-B. And why not use hone fliers instead? Because hinoka can kill him already, why keep her there only for the buff if she can do it herself? The whole point of this exercise is so I can have her off doing her own thing if necessary after all.

e2: actually, a +spd takumi hit with threaten spd 3 would fall to 31 spd. Then, if I give my camilla the spd+1 seal she would just be able to double takumi with a goad flier buff. If I let hinoka handle any +spd takumis that are merged and have any higher speeds, I can rationalize using a brave axe instead of a carrot. Carrot, because I don't have any emerald axe+'s, even though it reallly works against desperation. Yeah, this cooould work. Would also save me from having to farm for over 1000+ more sp.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 18, 2017, 09:19:25 PM
I've been primarily using Hinoka for Hone Fliers + Reposition instead of direct combat use.  This allows great flexibility for my other two fliers to get in, blow up a thing, and get pulled out of the line of fire.  Being able to ORKO a Takumi is a nice bonus, but it's not her primary objective usually.

... Of course, sometimes she's out of range, so I put Vantage on Bunnymilla.  Archers and mages can try to hit her, but with +10 ATK/SPD due to flier buffs and Gronnblade+, plus Vantage being almost always active due to Fury, it's fun to watch them fail.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 18, 2017, 09:36:42 PM
I've been primarily using Hinoka for Hone Fliers + Reposition instead of direct combat use.  This allows great flexibility for my other two fliers to get in, blow up a thing, and get pulled out of the line of fire.  Being able to ORKO a Takumi is a nice bonus, but it's not her primary objective usually.

... Of course, sometimes she's out of range, so I put Vantage on Bunnymilla.  Archers and mages can try to hit her, but with +10 ATK/SPD due to flier buffs and Gronnblade+, plus Vantage being almost always active due to Fury, it's fun to watch them fail.
Who's your third flier?

See, that's easy mode. Spring Camilla is DLC and I don't play with that stuff. Apparently the game wants me to play on hard mode since it didn't want to give me one. Not a pinch of salt in me.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 18, 2017, 10:06:16 PM
That's okay, it didn't give me a Hinoka to go with my Camillas. Things aren't quiiiite coming together, but I'll make something work...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 18, 2017, 10:29:26 PM
Who's your third flier?

Clair, mostly because she's cute and I have her at 5*.  I gave her Palla's Moonbow and Goad Fliers.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 18, 2017, 10:54:47 PM
So as expected Sharena is basically a terrible FCorrin. Spreads debuffs, boosts my team's stats, fast and bulky, just worse in pretty much every way than FCorrin. Not so much worse that I don't think I can use her to get a perfect arena run with some luck though (by which I mean, if I can avoid running into a Reinhardt stacking team for long enough), and she's kind of fun. Fortify Def combines with my Olivia's Spur Def to make my Camillas reeeeally physically bulky, and having Rally Attack instead of Fortify Atk isn't as much worse as I expected since it's not super common for my entire team to be attacking at the same time. Having a physical tank that doesn't take super effective damage from Lucina is kind of nice. That's never been a deal breaker for FCorrin, but it's not ideal.

Edit: I just ran into a PVP team where every member was a 5*, 40+ unit, but had either one skill or no skills equipped. Is that some kind of weird matchmaking exploit or something? I've never seen that before.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 19, 2017, 01:52:56 AM
Alright, time for the commandercool usage list 1.0.2! Things are pretty different this time. This is out of 35 matches with no repeat characters.

11/35: Eirika, Hector, Takumi

9/11: Lucina

4/35: Ephraim, Linde, Ninian, Nowi, Olivia, Ryoma

3/35: Azura, Camilla, Effie, Eldigan, Gordin, Lyn, Marth, Nino, Olwen, Reinhardt, Sharena

2/35: Merric, Michalis, Palla, Rebecca, SCamilla, SLucina, tiki

1/35: Abel, Anna, Cecilia, Chrom, Elise, Fae, Faye, Felicia, Fir, Hinoka, Julia, Kagero, Klein, Leo, Lilina, MCorrin, Minerva, MRobin, Oboro, Peri, Roy, Sanaki, SChrom, Seliph, Setsuna, Sully, Tharja, Ursula

Big losses: Effie, Camilla, tiki, MRobin

Big gains: Hector, Eirika

About the same: Takumi, Lucina

I've been noticing Eirika making increasing gains for a while now, but I guess she's reached top tier. Very surprised to see MRobin completely tank. I had admittedly been using him and stopped, but that was for waifu reasons. His nemesis Takumi has rebounded after a slump, so it's not like there's nothing for him to do, and I never see Takumis optimized to beat him. He seems like he's as relevant now as ever, maybe much more so since other archers are on the rise, so why is his usage down so much? Could be sample size weirdness I guess.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 19, 2017, 02:51:03 AM
I started seeing large increases in Hector sightings when I started running Bunnymilla, the only unit I have that can reliably ORKO him.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 19, 2017, 06:32:41 PM
GHB tomorrow!  Prepare yourself for the red knight king Zephiel and his hilarious defense stats.

Edit: Zephiel's stage (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9w57pmVwAA2Hua.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 19, 2017, 07:58:21 PM
Sweet, free Goad Fliers and a Catria, neither of which I had. I hope they keep giving out free 3* units, although this makes me think they aren't even going to change the 2* hero rotation.

The way Zephiel's map is set up makes it looks like you can use someone to snipe the bluemage/Zephiel turn one and get out of range immediately.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 19, 2017, 10:05:41 PM
GHB tomorrow!  Prepare yourself for the red knight king Zephiel and his hilarious defense stats.

Edit: Zephiel's stage (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9w57pmVwAA2Hua.jpg:large)
Oh boy sounds fun.~  :getdown:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Koog on April 19, 2017, 10:08:35 PM
Oh boy sounds fun.~  :getdown:
Yeah! 73 HP is so fun!  :V

Idon'tevenhaveagoodbluemage

On other note:
I got Clair.
Twice.
GTFO I JUST WANT LUKAS
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 19, 2017, 10:47:07 PM
Yeah! 73 HP is so fun!  :V

Idon'tevenhaveagoodbluemage

On other note:
I got Clair.
Twice.
GTFO I JUST WANT LUKAS
Thank god I have my FCorrin to fix that problem.~  :derp:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 20, 2017, 07:53:24 AM
I feel bad using poison to reduce his HP, of all things

(http://i.imgur.com/V7E9zbZ.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 20, 2017, 09:04:59 AM
Yeesh.  Considering how good Zephiel is, I was expecting the map to be Ursula-level difficulty.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 20, 2017, 03:01:22 PM
Yeesh.  Considering how good Zephiel is, I was expecting the map to be Ursula-level difficulty.
CALL 911 I'M HAVING PTSD OVER HERE!!!!!!!!

Also any ideas on how I can beat this map I think I might have to switch my FCorrin out for my 4* Reinhardt.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 20, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gcH2ISR.jpg)

BunCam, slayer of worlds.

This took me a few tries, definitely more than the last couple, but it all came together once I figured out that the right call was to counterintuitively facetank the red mage with the low-resist green bunny.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 20, 2017, 04:57:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gcH2ISR.jpg)

BunCam, slayer of worlds.

This took me a few tries, definitely more than the last couple, but it all came together once I figured out that the right call was to counterintuitively facetank the red mage with the low-resist green bunny.
OF COURSE THE BUNNY!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 20, 2017, 05:03:01 PM
If my Reinhardt had deathblow then he and Olivia could have duo'd the map. As is Bunnycina had to soften up the blue mage first so Reinhardt wouldn't get killed by the counter. Anyway, good mage + dancer trivializes this.

Also, 3* free unit video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-uTUCZewWw
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 20, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
If my Reinhardt had deathblow then he and Olivia could have duo'd the map. As is Bunnycina had to soften up the blue mage first so Reinhardt wouldn't get killed by the counter. Anyway, good mage + dancer trivializes this.

Also, 3* free unit video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-uTUCZewWw
Oh darn it time to bring in Azura then... and possibly switch Prisicilla or Cecila out.

I almost had a good match last time, but in the end Lyn got killed by the boss.

Edit: -huggles Conqueror- Holy hell your idea worked I had to switch Cecila out for Azura and it made everything a AI cheap out fest wooooooo.~ Zephiel is now mine!

Wait a minute I just realized isn't he (Zephiel) the same guy that you saved when he was a kid on Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword in order to recruit Jaffar and Nino?

Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 20, 2017, 06:09:22 PM
Lyn seems like a really bad fit for this map. What are you bringing her to do?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 20, 2017, 06:12:32 PM
I brought Marth in for Spur Spd and to tank the Green Armor Knight. Red Sworders should absolutely not even think about engaging anyone else as they will lose.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 20, 2017, 06:22:49 PM
Lyn seems like a really bad fit for this map. What are you bringing her to do?
Snipe down the mages by me luring them within a reasonable range.

I already beaten the map on Hard thanks to Azura and AI cheap out tactics. I due say the MVP goes to Reinhardt, Priscilla, and Azura this time.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 21, 2017, 05:37:14 AM
Is he actually tagged as a knight?

Or does he got the entire lol no skill so he no sells my armor buster/hammer team.

Else I'm praying Corrin F is going to be able to carry

Since there was the theoretical solution of snipe the mages and then have Cherche just go BRRRT on the others
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 21, 2017, 06:08:07 AM
pretty sure they wouldn't just unclick that armor-unit parameter just so hammers would stop working, that's just dumb and dirty.

meanwhile I'm trying to figure this out with my wip "don't talk to me or my sisters ever again team" consisting of elise, sakura, fcorrin, and azura ninian (don't have her, sob sob). Why do rods have to have crap stats AND do half damage. You'd think having higher than average res would mean you could at least survive magic attacks, but with such low health and >45 mag on average, you don't tend to survive those well either.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 21, 2017, 08:08:47 AM
pretty sure they wouldn't just unclick that armor-unit parameter just so hammers would stop working, that's just dumb and dirty.

meanwhile I'm trying to figure this out with my wip "don't talk to me or my sisters ever again team" consisting of elise, sakura, fcorrin, and azura ninian (don't have her, sob sob). Why do rods have to have crap stats AND do half damage. You'd think having higher than average res would mean you could at least survive magic attacks, but with such low health and >45 mag on average, you don't tend to survive those well either.

Oh there is a skill they can slap on that removes the bonus damage that they could take.

So your hammers lose their boost even though he's tagged as armored.

We had it with the one with the flyer. He just flat out went lol no to archers. Since they didn't get their boost vs air.
Of course the only way you can get is skill inheritance I think.

It's really lame and instead of better designing the encounter they have to force you to use specified tactics.  so on go two I had Cherche just bash his fucking skull in.  Good times
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 21, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
It's really lame and instead of better designing the encounter they have to force you to use specified tactics.  so on go two I had Cherche just bash his fucking skull in.  Good times

I'm not sure what you mean by forcing you to use specific tactics, because I'm seeing from people that this is one of the easier ones on par with the last one. There are plenty of units you can use to dismantle this map.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 21, 2017, 01:08:14 PM
Oh there is a skill they can slap on that removes the bonus damage that they could take.

So your hammers lose their boost even though he's tagged as armored.
Well yeah there's the svalinn shield skill, but they don't have those. Iotes shield is like giving a kid in a wheelchair a pair of training wheels levels of pity handicap, hardly possible to say it limited options. Like the guy that did it with 4 sakuras, although though it was a mega space whale as I recall.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 21, 2017, 02:42:52 PM
Is he actually tagged as a knight?

Or does he got the entire lol no skill so he no sells my armor buster/hammer team.

Else I'm praying Corrin F is going to be able to carry

Since there was the theoretical solution of snipe the mages and then have Cherche just go BRRRT on the others
Erm... I think he only has a retribution like skill that counters back 50% damage done on him, but ugh it's a bitch. But yeah he's a knight.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 21, 2017, 06:15:05 PM
Anyone remember if all the enemy skills on that GHB go back to their default cds or are they all on that super low cooldown forever? As in, does blazing thunder go back to 5 or 2?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 21, 2017, 08:41:46 PM
Anyone remember if all the enemy skills on that GHB go back to their default cds or are they all on that super low cooldown forever? As in, does blazing thunder go back to 5 or 2?
LOW COOL DOWN BECAUSE THANKS NINTENDO!!!  :V
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 21, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
Well, all the armors do have wary fighter iirc, so if you're relying on doubles and not dancers to kill you're out of luck.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 21, 2017, 10:07:51 PM
Well, all the armors do have wary fighter iirc, so if you're relying on doubles and not dancers to kill you're out of luck.
Oh yeah this too...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 22, 2017, 12:29:19 AM
Managed to clear the first one pretty easily.  Second one is like I got nothing.

Still another 5 star pull.  That red Mage girl who knows Hector form the Battling X deck

Still I got 4 5 stars now one built to 5 and a buncha rando 5's .  I need to just like level em. They're just all over the place for levels now so I can't group em up for speed leveling
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 22, 2017, 02:05:41 PM
Dang, I am off my game the last few days. I keep making elementary mistakes in the arena. Not round-losing ones, but I'm either winning by narrower margins than I should be or losing units that I don't need to lose.

So have we pretty much settled on the "arena opponents' units are somehow tied to the units you bring" theory? I swapped FCorrin for Sharena this season and have seen a total absence of tiki but an equivalently huge number of Eirikas and I'm now pretty convinced that if I swap back I'll see the reverse. Is anyone else seeing anything like this? I can't really imagine how that matchmaking would work, but it seems to be a strong correlation anyway.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Hikarin on April 22, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
It's possible. Whenever I bring along Ninian, I seem to always run against other dancers, but when I switch back, I see nearly none.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Koog on April 22, 2017, 07:11:54 PM
Wait a minute I just realized isn't he (Zephiel) the same guy that you saved when he was a kid on Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword in order to recruit Jaffar and Nino?

Yes he is, you can literally see it in the real ending of FE7.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 22, 2017, 07:31:24 PM
It's a point that's missed pretty often in the west since it's not like we got an official localization for FE6.

With that said, it does have a full translation so it's well worth playing.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 23, 2017, 05:52:39 AM
So as it turns out, there is an SP cap.

(http://i.imgur.com/5kuxBH9.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 23, 2017, 10:28:24 AM
This weekend goes to conquest, since I forgot that my roommate had a 3ds. Chapter 23, takumi's. I gave it about 2 hours and was in despair because this was the first time I legit did not think it was possible with my people. But then I remembered staves were a thing. If I completely ignore everything on the left side of the lower half of the map, I could fly across the chasm and use entrap to warp the enemy sitting on the far right staircase on the wall and storm on over to takumi that way.

I have 2 questions for the people that did this before though (lunatic ver).
1) will I be needing entrap later on, like absolutely? Is it wasted on this chapter? I do only have four uses total after all.
2) has anyone here actually gotten through the lower part of the map, the left side? Where literally everyone has lunge. Maybe I'm just under leveled? I need 2 units minimum to kill any one enemy unit. I can't tank because lunge, I can't attack because I can't kill everyone, kiting is impossible because of lunge. I'm assuming this is where everyone has all their army replaced with the 2nd generation super units I keep hearing about.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 23, 2017, 02:24:18 PM
So as it turns out, there is an SP cap.

Truly a Herculean feat.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 23, 2017, 02:28:02 PM
This weekend goes to conquest, since I forgot that my roommate had a 3ds. Chapter 23, takumi's. I gave it about 2 hours and was in despair because this was the first time I legit did not think it was possible with my people. But then I remembered staves were a thing. If I completely ignore everything on the left side of the lower half of the map, I could fly across the chasm and use entrap to warp the enemy sitting on the far right staircase on the wall and storm on over to takumi that way.

I have 2 questions for the people that did this before though (lunatic ver).
1) will I be needing entrap later on, like absolutely? Is it wasted on this chapter? I do only have four uses total after all.
2) has anyone here actually gotten through the lower part of the map, the left side? Where literally everyone has lunge. Maybe I'm just under leveled? I need 2 units minimum to kill any one enemy unit. I can't tank because lunge, I can't attack because I can't kill everyone, kiting is impossible because of lunge. I'm assuming this is where everyone has all their army replaced with the 2nd generation super units I keep hearing about.

1) You virtually need to use one Entrap charge to get into the castle as far as I know. I ended my lunatic run with charges remaining, so that's fine. They're useful later on and there may be a point where you need to use another one, but you shouldn't need all four.

2) I haven't ever managed to get through that bridge, in large part because I have no idea how the AI there works and getting to that point takes so long that I stopped experimenting after a while. You can get pretty close to the enemies without them attacking you which makes lining up a one-round kill easier, but at some point they'll all jump on you and I don't know what that point is or what the conditions are.

You're on the right track I think. What you're describing is how I beat that map and I went on to clear the game, so you should be okay.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on April 23, 2017, 09:49:54 PM
2) I haven't ever managed to get through that bridge, in large part because I have no idea how the AI there works and getting to that point takes so long that I stopped experimenting after a while. You can get pretty close to the enemies without them attacking you which makes lining up a one-round kill easier, but at some point they'll all jump on you and I don't know what that point is or what the conditions are.
I was going to skip the bottom half until you said you did it, so I threw corrin and xander together at the lunge people and somehow it worked. That did not feel good, that didn't feel like strategy. It was like throwing an axe in a lake and praying that the kind lady inside will give it back to you unharmed. While I appreciate maps that allow for multiple avenues of approach, I don't like when one of them is 'hope you have X, if not lol' combined with lots of luck. Now I'm staring at Hinata and really considering leaving his ass alone.

e: couldn't leave his ass alone
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 23, 2017, 11:29:31 PM
So as it turns out, there is an SP cap.

All that and you still have 7 stamina potions left.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 24, 2017, 02:33:40 PM
Yaaay more FRobins to grind up and distribute Ignis-es with! I've been meaning to try Ignis on BunCam.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 24, 2017, 02:39:45 PM
But I already have FRobin and Navarre bring back the two asshole maps.~
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 24, 2017, 03:12:29 PM
But now you can make a full team of 4 FRobins!

Interesting AI quirk: on Battling Robin Hard, Robin had the chance to kill my single digit HP Olivia, but decided instead to go for the full health Navarre, maybe because he had one point lower res? I thought the AI always went for sure kills, so that surprised me. On the plus side, this meant I didn't lose and so Lyn ended up killing all 5 units on the map.

The only quests I have left are the ones where Robin and Navarre kill themselves, because I'm not sure how I'm going to soften up the enemy units without killing them. I think Navarre's in particular is going to be a real pain, since he probably dies to everything on that map.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 24, 2017, 03:29:57 PM
But now you can make a full team of 4 FRobins!

Interesting AI quirk: on Battling Robin Hard, Robin had the chance to kill my single digit HP Olivia, but decided instead to go for the full health Navarre, maybe because he had one point lower res? I thought the AI always went for sure kills, so that surprised me. On the plus side, this meant I didn't lose and so Lyn ended up killing all 5 units on the map.

The only quests I have left are the ones where Robin and Navarre kill themselves, because I'm not sure how I'm going to soften up the enemy units without killing them. I think Navarre's in particular is going to be a real pain, since he probably dies to everything on that map.
What if I rather have one copy of each character! >_>
To be honest it's nice they're bringing back the Grand Hero maps for those who missed them.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: PX on April 25, 2017, 10:33:46 AM
Thread is now invalid. Still no Micaiah though so I'm mad
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Failure McFailFace on April 25, 2017, 11:03:13 AM
Thread is now invalid. Still no Micaiah though so I'm mad
done

AAAAAAAAAAAA??? The meme about Tellius never being released is invalid now...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 25, 2017, 12:39:36 PM
I'm a little sad there's no Laguz this banner, but Ike/Mist/Soren/Titania is pretty solid for fans of PoR.

Unsurprisingly, giving Distant Counter to Ike instantly makes him a top tier unit.  Looks like he gets a pretty amazing unique A skill too (can give 2 ranks of special charge per attack).
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 25, 2017, 01:48:40 PM
I read the Youtube comment from GameExplain's channel showing the PoR crew trailer oh boy people going crazy and bitching is fun, I might roll though, but I have to save my money.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 25, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
Wow, I forgot just how unplayably dumpster-tier FRobin is. Leveling her is awful. Does she need more experience than other characters or something? Mine is level 35 and I cleared an entire level 40 training tower floor with her (which I'm sure you know is not easy or common) and she got maybe 30% of the way to level 36...
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Post by: Edible on April 25, 2017, 05:02:28 PM
Oh yeah.  Just in case anyone forgot in this midst of the Tellius banner news, Xander is the next GHB and he also has distant counter baked into his weapon.  And after that is Camus who also gets distant counter and Goad Cavalry.  Shit's bananas.
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Post by: Conqueror on April 25, 2017, 05:04:05 PM
You probably don't need her to 40 to finish her quests depending on the strat you use. Especially as she's ranged.

Can't wait till we get a distant counter counter to counter all these counters.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on April 25, 2017, 05:05:25 PM
When everyone has distant counter, the only thing that matters is one-shotting everyone ;_;

GLASS CANNON TEAMS, MOVE OUT
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on April 26, 2017, 12:51:07 AM
Oh yeah.  Just in case anyone forgot in this midst of the Tellius banner news, Xander is the next GHB and he also has distant counter baked into his weapon.  And after that is Camus who also gets distant counter and Goad Cavalry.  Shit's bananas.
horse emblem \o/
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 26, 2017, 01:03:15 AM
You probably don't need her to 40 to finish her quests depending on the strat you use. Especially as she's ranged.

Oh right, good point. I didn't really look that closely at the quests and just kind of filled in the blanks that "Defeat level 40 Navarre with Robin" was a quest and it totally isn't. Yeah, level 35 is more than enough to finish off the hard-mode Navarre.
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Post by: Conqueror on April 26, 2017, 01:11:34 AM
You can actually even defeat the story mode Navarre on normal and it counts since there's no level restriction. I think it's 5-1?

Thank god because otherwise WTA would be a pain.
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Post by: commandercool on April 26, 2017, 01:16:47 AM
Ha ha fair enough, I forgot he was in the main campaign but obviously he is. Now KOing a level 35 Robin with mine is the only major thing left to do and may be a little tricky, but I think I can probably figure something out.
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Post by: Conqueror on April 26, 2017, 08:06:21 AM
Sniped Ike and Titania in the same roll at around 5.5% pity rate. I hope Micaiah doesn't come any time soon.
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Post by: Mеа on April 26, 2017, 08:17:51 AM
The new survival maps are pretty interesting. I can see myself using bulky healers like azama, who comes with pain, or even sakura on the res side since she has fear. Sucks it's only limited to story maps still.
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Post by: PX on April 26, 2017, 10:08:50 AM
Rolled Soren am mad
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Post by: MewMewHeart on April 26, 2017, 02:21:12 PM
Oh yeah.  Just in case anyone forgot in this midst of the Tellius banner news, Xander is the next GHB and he also has distant counter baked into his weapon.  And after that is Camus who also gets distant counter and Goad Cavalry.  Shit's bananas.
OH GOD XANDER GONNA BE LIKE RYOMA THEN... and tbh I played as someone's Ryoma main... so IMMA ENJOY GETTING KARMA'D.

I'm praying Xander doesn't have Vantage... along with that counter or Imma cry.

-goes to curl up in a corner and cry-

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Edit-

Started to roll with a little bit of orbs: 4* Clair, dupe 4* Robin, dupe 4* Saizo, dupe 4* Clarine.

Last 20 orb roll:  dupe 4* Hawkeye, 5* Minerva (because RNG is a dick also this completes the Macedon sibling set), dupe 3* Odin/Owen, dupe 3* Gaius, and dupe 3* Draug.

Ugh I wanted Ike so I could have a counter against Xander, but RNG is being mean and I'm saving money.
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Post by: Edible on April 26, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7eodE4c.jpg)

Uh, that works, I guess.  Unfortunately I'm out of orbs again.
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Post by: Mеа on April 26, 2017, 09:32:06 PM
As much as he's kinda useless, I have to say I'm really impressed with how beautifully rendered navarre's black flower/cloud patterns on his clothes are.
Even if it does look a little like dried paint.
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Post by: commandercool on April 26, 2017, 11:10:03 PM
Survival maps are interesting, especially with an extra couple of quest conditions thrown in. I can see this being a thing for sure. They're maps where just bringing a Fury beatsticks and a dancer isn't a viable strategy, which is great. Shaking things up is good.
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Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2017, 11:15:19 PM
Survival maps are interesting, especially with an extra couple of quest conditions thrown in. I can see this being a thing for sure. They're maps where just bringing a Fury beatsticks and a dancer isn't a viable strategy, which is great. Shaking things up is good.

Basically, this is the content they should've been adding like a month ago, and it's still not...super much. But they're trying for once.

That Ike lipservice though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zelinko on April 26, 2017, 11:54:41 PM
Could they go down any harder on Ike?  I mean did they at least use a napkin after they finished?

Still neat idea but needed help for execution.  The entire LOL INVULNERABLE UNIT to force the full duration of reinforcements was kinda cheap but eh.  If you're going to force a mechanic to show up works I guess.
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Post by: Conqueror on April 27, 2017, 03:12:23 AM
Black Knight GHB will be a defend on the port map where he charges forward with Embla's Ward.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on April 28, 2017, 03:49:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXB14EzVkgE

Quote
Hector, Azura, Ryoma, Takumi banner at 5% odds
Uh, guys

Mages gauntlet is next, so another banner with Linde, Julia, Sanaki, Tharja and a bunch of dudes.
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Post by: commandercool on April 28, 2017, 04:03:54 AM
Presumably Tharja steamrolls this one. I hope once we get enough of these under our belt we can do a gauntlet of all of the gauntlet winners.
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Post by: Conqueror on April 28, 2017, 07:36:53 AM
Yeah, a gauntlet of champions would be pretty interesting!

I blew the rest of my orbs on the OP banner since not only is it boosted % but we probably aren't getting a banner this good until powercreep kicks in. I got Ninian and Hector, attesting to the fact that all my luck in life is going to this gacha game. I should probably fix that. Anyway, I hope I can save up enough orbs before Micaiah or the summer units get added.

Stream also mentioned some arena changes think plus something that gave out a 5* unit as a reward, so I'm interested in what that's all about.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 28, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXB14EzVkgE
Can we all mention that Xander has 61 HP on his grand hero map and might be most likely we'll be getting a survival map!?! (Why did he have to come the day the Kancolle Spring event, it starts on May 2nd too)

I wouldn't mind a 5* Hero reward for arena also... what was that message about Veronica are we getting her as a GHB or are we getting something story related again???

I agree with commandcool on this one most likely Tharja will sweep the next gauntlet.

I'm also salty I want to get Takumi and Ryoma off the banner but, I lack the orbs to do so...
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Post by: commandercool on April 28, 2017, 06:18:37 PM
Can anyone who plays Hector or otherwise feels like they have insight into him comment on how valuable you feel like Pavise is on him? Roommate just asked for some FEH coaching because he isn't ever winning arena defenses and my main advice was to replace Pavise on Hector with something offensive, and give him Vantage (he previously had Knock Back for some reason).

Just wanted to double check that Pavise isn't doing a bunch of work that I'm overlooking, but I generally have no trouble mowing down Pavise Hectors while occasionally being checked by Bonfire or Moonbow.
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Post by: Conqueror on April 28, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
Hector on arena defense isn't that strong imo since he lags behind everyone, making it easy to people to mop him up after everyone else is dead. But Vantage Hector can teamwipe if no one can one-shot him, or WoM Hector for surprising opponents who don't check skills carefully.

I don't think a defense special is that useful for Hector, but I haven't done the calculations. Bonfire is great though, especially with vantage
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Post by: MewMewHeart on April 29, 2017, 01:17:09 AM
Got paid although I did save some orbs and money I managed to amass a total of 232 orbs let's see what the casino luck has in store for me tonight.~

First Roll: 4 GRAYS and 1 Red! (NO TAKUMI INTENSFIES)

Result: dupe 4* Saizo, dupe 3* Saizo, dupe 3* Setsuna, dupe 3 * Selena (knew that red orb was a red herring), and dupe 3* Wrys.

Comment: -If you listen closely the sound of a butcher knife being sharpen can be heard-

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Second Roll:3 reds and 2 blues.

Result: dupe 3* Palla, dupe 4* Fir, dupe 3* Eliwood, dupe 3* Jagen, and dupe 4* Gwendolyn.

Comment: Ok this is bullshit.

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Third Roll: 3 Reds, 1 Gray, and 1 Green.

Result: dupe 3* Fir, dupe 3* Draug, dupe 4* Henry, dupe 4* Sakura (AHAHAHAHA VERY FUNNY GAME), and dupe 4* Beruka.

Comment: I wonder how much of my luck I can sell on eBay???? 

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Fourth Roll: 2 reds, 1 blue, 1 green, and 1 gray.

Result: dupe 3* Adult Tiki, dupe 3* Gaius, dupe 4* Arthur, dupe 3* F.Corrin, and dupe 3* Fir.

Comment: RNG IS TROLLING!!!!! I REPEAT RNG IS TROLLING!!!! 
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Fifth Roll: 2 blues, 2 greens, and 1 red.

Result: dupe 3* Raigh, dupe 3* Cherche, dupe 3* Barte, dupe 4* Catria, and DUPE 5* AZURA AS I PREDICTED.

Comment: UUUUUUUUUGH!!!!

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Sixth Roll: 2 Green, 1 Gray and 1 blue.

Result: dupe 3 * Nino, 4* Lukas, dupe 4* Barte, dupe 3* Matthew,  OMFG!!!!!!!! RYOOOOOOMA!!!!!!!!! 5* at that. (I FINALLY GOT MY SUPER TANK!!!!! Also Ryoma and retainer set complete.)

Comment: I can now die happy!!!  :* 

Time to go poke my Ryoma- WAIT WAIT DON'T RUNAWAY!!!!   :derp:

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Seventh Roll: 3 Reds, 1 Blue, and 1 Green.

Result: dupe 3* Hinata, dupe 4* Selena, dupe 4* Hana,  dupe 4* Clair, dupe 3* Cecilia

Comment: Doesn't bother me at all since I got my Ryoma.~

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Eighth Roll: 1 Gray, 2 Reds, and 2 Blues.

Result: dupe 4* Hinata, dupe 3* Donnel, dupe 3* Sully, dupe 3* Lon'qu, and dupe 3* Matthew.

Comment: Dupes the bane of me.
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Nineth Roll: 2 grays, 1 blue, 1 red, and 1 green.

Result: dupe 4* Gunter, dupe  4* Florina, dupe 3* Adult Tiki, dupe 3* Niles, and dupe 4* Sakura.

Comment: I'M DUPE DABA DEE DUPE A DYYYYYE! No seriously IT'S TIME TO STOP!!!! 
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Tenth Roll: 3 Reds, 1 green, and 1 blue.

Result: dupe 4* Lon'qu, dupe 4* Caeda, dupe 3* Hinata, dupe 3* Robin, and dupe 3* Nino.

Comment: THE DUPE RATE IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!!! 
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Last Roll!!!

Eleventh Roll: 4 Blues and 1 gray

Result: dupe 3* Lissa, dupe 3* Odin, dupe 4* Shanna, dupe 3* Gwendolyn, dupe 3* Donnel. 

Comment: GAME OVER YEEEEEEEEEAH!!!!!

Welp I got two new things out of this whole ordeal I at least have what will be a counter against Xander when his GHB map comes.  :ohdear:
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Post by: Chaore on April 29, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
peyote retort post: incoming
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 29, 2017, 04:25:43 AM
Welp I got two new things out of this but i'm not satisfied
(http://i.imgur.com/ypty9H0.png)
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Post by: MewMewHeart on April 29, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ypty9H0.png)
Yes Chirei I'm training those dupe Lon'qus and everything for skill inherits Imma slap vantage on Ryoma.

Btw is there gonna be a running gag involving me and peyote everytime I bitch about dupes?  :derp:
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Post by: OverlordChirei on April 29, 2017, 04:12:43 PM
Yes Chirei I'm training those dupe Lon'qus and everything for skill inherits Imma slap vantage on Ryoma.

Btw is there gonna be a running gag involving me and peyote everytime I bitch about dupes?  :derp:

I do it to everyone
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 29, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
I do it to everyone
Yay.~ Also speaking of that I'm almost done training the dupe Lon'qu once I'm done I'll transfer the Vantage skill to my Ryoma.... hrm question do you think Pivot or Repostion (Whatever the skill name is) is better for him?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 29, 2017, 04:54:20 PM
Yay.~ Also speaking of that I'm almost done training the dupe Lon'qu once I'm done I'll transfer the Vantage skill to my Ryoma.... hrm question do you think Pivot or Repostion (Whatever the skill name is) is better for him?

They both have their uses. I like Reposition more, but Pivot lets you cover more ground.
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Post by: commandercool on April 29, 2017, 05:14:24 PM
I think it depends on whether you want the unit on the front line or not. Pivot is for moving yourself, Reposition is for moving others. I would probably use Pivot on Ryoma.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on April 29, 2017, 05:16:07 PM
They both have their uses. I like Reposition more, but Pivot lets you cover more ground.
I might go with Pivot... hrm now I know Erika has Pivot, but other than that who else has it?

@commandercool I figured people would go with Pivot I mean it helps alot plus I think I might have ended up with a hp/atk/spd Ryoma

Edit: I think I might have shot myself in the foot for feeding all of those Cherches I had.... because she has Pivot....
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Post by: OverlordChirei on April 29, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Edit: I think I might have shot myself in the foot for feeding all of those Cherches I had.... because she has Pivot....

this is what we call the peyote withrawal symptoms
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Post by: Edible on April 29, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
I tend to prefer reposition and draw back, because you can (for instance) explode an enemy with your nuke of choice and then use move chains to get them out of harm's way, and repeat as needed

It's extremely good on otherwise garbage maps like twin bridges
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 29, 2017, 09:44:32 PM
I think Reposition is ultimately probably slightly better overall, especially on mobile units, but for standard or lower movement options Pivot makes sense for tanks (or at least, bulky melee characters). Being able to take out an enemy with a fragile attacker and then have a bulky character Pivot past them to block access to them is nice. Reposition could get them out of the way, but you need room to move. Neither one is probably a wrong choice though honestly. The only time I think there's a "correct" choice is with armor units, who seem like they get much more mileage out of Pivot.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on April 30, 2017, 02:32:07 AM
I tend to prefer reposition and draw back, because you can (for instance) explode an enemy with your nuke of choice and then use move chains to get them out of harm's way, and repeat as needed

It's extremely good on otherwise garbage maps like twin bridges

Thank goodness I didn't get rid of those dupe Subakis yet. :derp:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on April 30, 2017, 10:03:03 PM
(https://imgur.com/7guB2oP.jpg)

Not a troll, I swear. I just didn't have a better way to get Glacies.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on April 30, 2017, 10:13:45 PM
(https://imgur.com/7guB2oP.jpg)

Not a troll, I swear. I just didn't have a better way to get Glacies.

You already have Iceberg, though. Isn't that generally better for player units?
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Post by: commandercool on April 30, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
I want to experiment with Glacies because I'm finding that I very frequently waste my Iceberg killing enemies that were going to die anyway. Maybe it'll turn out that Glacies is too slow, but I've wished I had it instead of Iceberg enough times that I want to try it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 30, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
I want to experiment with Glacies because I'm finding that I very frequently waste my Iceberg killing enemies that were going to die anyway. Maybe it'll turn out that Glacies is too slow, but I've wished I had it instead of Iceberg enough times that I want to try it.

maybe you'll wish you mained felicia in smash instead!!111
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Post by: Mеа on April 30, 2017, 11:48:42 PM
maybe you'll wish you mained felicia in smash instead!!111
it's too bad about her placement on the tier list. She's been heavily nerfed ever since smash4 removed the tripping mechanic
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Post by: MewMewHeart on May 01, 2017, 01:45:43 PM
Got my Pivot from a dupe 4* Marth (because FEHeroes wiki didn't mention him having it) and slapped it onto Ryoma AND HOLY SHIT I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN Astra (200 SP), Vanatage 3 (300), and Pivot (225)... this is gonna be a pain, but I will not lose!!!! Also holy hell Minerva hits like a truck... and Spring Lucina is pretty good if it comes to fighting red units.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on May 01, 2017, 02:47:36 PM
bonus heroes for next season

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-uRzzyUAAAhQaS.jpg)
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Post by: Edible on May 01, 2017, 02:52:16 PM
>felicia

Oh, Chirei.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 01, 2017, 03:06:05 PM
bonus heroes for next season

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-uRzzyUAAAhQaS.jpg)
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX!!!!!! -throws a monitor at Chirei-
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on May 01, 2017, 03:10:12 PM
>felicia

Oh, Chirei.

she is confirmed on the same level as the tellius characters therefore she is as important as ike and we like ike

smash 99 confirmed
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 01, 2017, 04:49:16 PM
Have any of the bonus units that aren't part of the newly released set been a unit available at 5* only or have they always been units available at 3*?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 01, 2017, 06:58:46 PM
I'm starting to think the rates on this hero banner are worse than advertised.  Despite the focus % now being higher than I've ever gotten on a previous banner, I still haven't pulled a 5*.

I should have enough orbs for one more go before it's over, so, fingers crossed I guess.

Have any of the bonus units that aren't part of the newly released set been a unit available at 5* only or have they always been units available at 3*?

To my recollection, they've always had at least two 3* available.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 01, 2017, 07:16:19 PM
I'm starting to think the rates on this hero banner are worse than advertised.  Despite the focus % now being higher than I've ever gotten on a previous banner, I still haven't pulled a 5*.

I should have enough orbs for one more go before it's over, so, fingers crossed I guess.

To my recollection, they've always had at least two 3* available.
I only pulled a few 5* and yet now my rate is so high for the Hero banner it's not even funny I even tried grabbing as many gray orbs that appeared and no Takumi came UUUUUUGH... GIMMIE MY TAKUMI YOU JERKS!!!!  :matsuriscowl:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 02, 2017, 12:22:30 PM
"Hmm, probably can't use the same strategy on Xander Lunatic as I did on Xander Hard"

>Stage Clear
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on May 02, 2017, 12:30:29 PM
I personally had to pull out Julia, Lyn, Ninian, and Priscilla all together to beat Xander lunatic. But I'm also bad at this and it took a bit of trial and error.
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Post by: Edible on May 02, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
I think the only trick is having a unit that can take out the sword infantry in the upper right and counter-kill (or at least survive) the mage's counterattack, since after that every other foe comes south into meat grinder territory.

I went with Flier Emblem (Bunnymilla, Hinoka, Clair) and Reinhardt.  Bunnymilla blows up the red sword in the upper-right, green cavalry mage pokes her and she swats him down too.  Everything after that is cake.
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Post by: qMyon on May 02, 2017, 12:41:25 PM
Probably luck. I picked up Hector on my first 5-roll, so there's clearly quite a bit of variance.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 02, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
I went with Azura + unit bullshit on Xander and had Ryoma to bait Xander to fight him then Ryoma tanked the spear while Reinhardt took out the sword unit then sang to Priscilla to heal them and I ended up steam rolling them. I call this a not so suitable victory for me, but hey what can you do.... also Xander confirmed honor student.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 02, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
I used dancer + reposition to kill the lance fighter, then dueled everyone else on the next term when they all rushed in. Would have been difficult without good mages.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 02, 2017, 04:43:20 PM
I was expecting this to be tricky because I don't have a great way to handle green mages, but after a couple of failed runs I was like "I wonder how much of the stage Olivia can tank if I just park her in the middle?" and the answer turned out to be "All of it, and she'll kill everyone on the backswing too". Olivia sceery.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Moogs Parfait on May 02, 2017, 05:10:29 PM
Are there speed grinding strats? I really like this game but I am having a hard time training up new units every 2 weeks with my schedule.

Kinda decided I'm not rolling again till I see swimsuits or Halloween costumes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 02, 2017, 05:15:34 PM
Auto battle works pretty well if you can leave your phone alone while doing something else.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Hikarin on May 02, 2017, 11:14:27 PM
Auto battle works pretty well if you can leave your phone alone while doing something else.

Where is this fabled "auto battle" of which you speak? It sounds like a good way to burn through my 60+ stampots.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 03, 2017, 12:41:52 AM
Start battle -> Menu -> Autobattle

The AI is terribad though
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 03, 2017, 01:35:45 AM
Yeah, the AI will block itself from attacking by trying to put your ranged attackers into melee and all sorts of dumb garbage, and I think you have to tap through whenever a unit levels up? Still, if you have stamina to burn and your phone open on your desk next to you or something it might not be a terrible idea.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 03, 2017, 08:07:04 AM
Since blazing winds was being very wasted on hinoka, I decided to give her sacred cowl instead (reduce ranged damage by 30%, cd: 2). A little preliminary testing gave me a situation where a takumi was parked behind an azura. Ordinarily this would be an extremely annoying situation but I just sent in hinoka to orko azura who then survived the enemy phase takumi even after taking six dmg from fury 3. Who in turn gets one shot when my turn comes around again.

A takumi would need at least 52 atk to kill my current (unmerged) hinoka if she has sacred cowl up (and factoring in -6hp from fury 3). Which, is literally impossible without buffs unless he's +atk nature and is merged to at least +3 atk. Now this doesn't let her survive brave bow users or any bow units that could double her, but so far my initial premonitions seem on point and positive.

Will report on how it works out if I have anything else interesting to add later.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 03, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
So I've been leveling up Anna in my quest to 5* all of the starters, and because she's featured this season obvs. Just noticed that she sticks her tongue out in her critical hit art. So cool. :D

I feel bad for just slapping Fury 3 on everything, but I have a bunch of Hinatas and it seems good-ish on her between Vantage and her special weapon basically giving Escape Route (once she's 5*, which won't be for another couple of weeks). Just not sure if I want to leave Astra on her, since a frail Fury attacker is unlikely to ever charge it. The idea of enemies being stuck attacking into a Vantage character with Astra up is appealing, but it might be better to just use Moonbow or Dragon Fang.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 04, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
Wu-Tang Xan ain't nothin' to fuck wit.

(http://i.imgur.com/4zdM4Er.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 05, 2017, 11:27:51 PM
Huh, looks like Xander is pretty much a mounted Hector. Pretty solid stat spread. Will probably raise him up when I eventually get around to making a cav team.


(https://puu.sh/vGSUn/3310ed0cae.jpg)
My main team is more or less complete thanks to double SP week and the hero banner. A lot of possible minor optimization but none I care too much about. I guess the main thing now is waiting for the new big update to hit, with the "permadeath" event and all that.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on May 07, 2017, 04:58:48 AM
I'm not too big on PvP things but Xander barely nudged me over the 4000 threshold. Pretty nice.

(https://imgur.com/Svi4ksL.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 07, 2017, 07:43:52 PM
Wu-Tang Xan ain't nothin' to fuck wit.

(http://i.imgur.com/4zdM4Er.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I was gonna give him Vantage also! XD
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 07, 2017, 07:52:35 PM
It serves almost no purpose on an otherwise hyper-offensive cavalry team, but it's certainly helped rack up the defensive wins <_<
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Hikarin on May 08, 2017, 01:23:03 AM
So it seems that Arena is in fact somewhat skill-based...
Been getting around 1500 every week, and I'm staying at Tier 11.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 08, 2017, 03:33:39 AM
I think you need a certain number of points to move up. Btw, are you not using a bonus hero?  They double your points.

Also, update is out. New tier system.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 08, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
Tempted to pull for Leo or Tharja, but I'm going to hold off on either banner until we see what Celica's is like.

And speaking of Celica, we should be seeing a reveal for her and her crew in the next day or two.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Hikarin on May 09, 2017, 12:14:39 AM
I think you need a certain number of points to move up. Btw, are you not using a bonus hero?  They double your points.

Also, update is out. New tier system.

Nah, I use bonus heroes sometimes, but this team has just been working really well, and I try not to mess with that formula too often, since that inevitably screws me over.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 09, 2017, 02:31:56 PM
The bad news: Every arena team has a hector now.

The good news: Xander is really good against Hector.

Also, I found a +3 5* Shanna with Distant Counter today.  Props to that guy.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on May 09, 2017, 05:30:29 PM
The popularity of Hector is pretty great, I agree.

(https://imgur.com/vobFcFC.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 09, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
The harder defensive battles are pretty fun. Definitely made me think. At some point I'm going to have to find room to 5* Wrys. I don't use him in PVP but he's such an all-star in scenario maps that he deserves it. Wish I had Elise for my healer slot, but Wrys is preeeetty rad.

Actually best case scenario for healer would be a flying staff user so I could put some flying Camilla boosting skills on them, but that wouldn't be super easy to work in. Maybe a summer Hinoka or something?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 09, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
flying staff user
Elincia, maybe
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 09, 2017, 06:17:17 PM
We need a mounted archer before we get any other new unit types :|

The popularity of Hector is pretty great, I agree.

(https://imgur.com/vobFcFC.png)

Man, I really need to +1 my Xander.  Lord knows I've invested enough in him as it is, but... 22k more feathers...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 09, 2017, 07:35:57 PM
Kinshi knights would be cool, I always liked those birds. I like birds.

The new map tiles seem to be leading the meta away from otks, (maybe?), so that's cool.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 10, 2017, 06:49:00 PM
Tempted to pull for Leo or Tharja, but I'm going to hold off on either banner until we see what Celica's is like.

And speaking of Celica, we should be seeing a reveal for her and her crew in the next day or two.

So much for that.  They've been pretty consistent with updated banners every two weeks, wonder what's going on?  Tellius banner is currently scheduled through Monday which is also longer than usual.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 11, 2017, 11:00:13 AM
I don't know where the influx of stones and feathers and came from, but they helped me get one step closer to 5*ing all the starters.

(https://imgur.com/CDPksuK.png)

Two down, Alfonse to go...

Anna has been pretty fun to play so far in PVP and I think the Escape Route from her weapon should push her over the edge to actually being really good as well.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 12, 2017, 01:39:38 PM
Celica banner details are out.

Hold onto your butts - Genny has Wrathful Staff as a passive skill, which removes the staff attack penalty :V
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on May 12, 2017, 02:53:12 PM
I kinda want all four of them, so I'll probably get nobody. Who'd be the best Wrathful Staff user?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 12, 2017, 03:00:45 PM
Probably Elise.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on May 12, 2017, 04:03:15 PM
>all magic users, new skill that encourages more weak magic users

yes, feed my score
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 12, 2017, 06:39:12 PM
FCorrin->Worried
BunCam->Very worried
Camilla Classic->Pew pew pew!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 12, 2017, 07:12:55 PM
FEHeroes Celica banner: moneymoneymoney!!!

Me: NOOOOO!!!!! T-T
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 13, 2017, 05:10:37 AM
Well, there goes all my luck for a while.

Decided to spend 20 orbs and see if I could get Leo.  A longshot, but the Celica banner isn't super appealing to me.

Saved 15 orbs, though, because I somehow got him on the first pull.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 13, 2017, 03:09:18 PM
Got Ursala on my team now thankfully after funny jebaiting her with Azura/F.Robin strats and vantage Ryoma wrecking her cronies. It was best vengeance served cold. As much as I want Leo and Linde I'll have to pass so I can save up for Celica to go with my Alm.  :)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on May 14, 2017, 11:16:21 AM
I knew it! I knew Julia VS Tharja would be a thing. They keep switching who's leading. This is actually exciting! Go Julia!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 14, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
I knew it! I knew Julia VS Tharja would be a thing. They keep switching who's leading. This is actually exciting! Go Julia!

Seems that whenever they switch, Tharja's leads are pretty significant while Julia's leads are very marginal.  But it's cool that it's so close.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on May 14, 2017, 06:07:13 PM
As a member of team Julia, that just means more 3x bonus times. I can't complain about that.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 14, 2017, 06:39:39 PM
Yeah, if I'm understanding this system correctly fighting in weaker teams will substantially boost your final score, right? And isn't there a payout for final score? That kind of incentives people to back what they think will be unpopular armies which is really interesting.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 15, 2017, 06:16:46 PM
Well, there goes all my luck for a while.

Confirmed, as the combined rest of my orbs on the Celica banner netted an avalanche of 3-stars.

Also, these new lunatic maps are no joke.

Edit: Spoke too soon, made the huge mistake of grinding out 5 more orbs, getting four colorless and a green, and winding up with Boey of all things.  Ugh.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on May 15, 2017, 07:00:12 PM
I kinda want all four of them, so I'll probably get nobody.

60 Orbs in and still holding true so far. Did however get 4 Star Effie and Cordelia, so it wasn't a complete waste. Now to grind out those lunatic quests and maybe get another shot at it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 15, 2017, 08:01:16 PM
11-5 is a real-doozy since I don't have a decent green or red mage to deal with Boey. Even then it wouldn't be that bad except for that fact that the AI doesn't want to move off the defensive tiles and even runs away from me so the 6 turn limit kicks in.

Although mkv beat it with 4 3* units as usual so I guess I can copy his strat if I really want. He doesn't have a 4-unit version for 11-3 though. That mountain is a pain for non-fliers.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 15, 2017, 08:52:57 PM
(https://imgur.com/YIbWpCW.png)

*Gasp* I pulled something new when it's new! I have no idea who this is but she's cute and her weapon seems fucking crazy.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 16, 2017, 10:06:17 AM
Wow Robin and Tharja fans are fighting like cats and dogs on the gauntlet...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 16, 2017, 04:38:13 PM
Yeah, I'm on team Tharja but I would be totally happy if Robin won because it would be unexpected.

A few hours ago Robin had a significant lead, but I think this new system will generally make races seem closer than they are at the very beginning. Once Team Robin dumps the bulk of their flags during boosted voting times they'll get a huge boost, but that boost is very temporary since they can't have tons of new flags incoming forever. That said, right now I'm saving all of my flags in case Tharja ends up getting far enough behind to get a voting boost. She probably won't, but I want the overall score bump if she does.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on May 16, 2017, 06:13:59 PM
Without Julia to vote for, and after maximizing my Arena score, I have nothing left to do.

(https://imgur.com/5Hn5cBx.png)


Time to take a break from FE:H for a few days I guess.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 16, 2017, 08:28:42 PM
Mae is really interesting. Her weapon is a fairly strong blue spell, but more importantly it gets a huge bonus (+2 to all stats!) for each adjacent ally. This means she sort of works like an even-more-powerful, much-more-unwieldy Blade spell sort of tentpole. Her stats aside from resist are pretty bad without the boost so you have to try to make use of it and it's worryingly map-dependent, but she plays very interestingly.

The downside of pulling her at 5* is of course that I need to get her a ton of new abilities and have basically no way to get SP. Want to trade badges for SP plz Nintendo.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 17, 2017, 06:40:36 AM
The owl tomes seem a lot less practical since it requires all of your team to be stuck together. Compared to blade tomes, where you can get good buffs from a single ephraim, eirika, etc, while the other two units can deal with/bait other threats. The upside I can think of though is that it works off of positioning instead of on how your team is composed to support the single blade tome user, lending some more freedom of team skill composition. But since it's not true damage, you might need spur skills to compensate anyway for getting off color kills. Conjectures.

e: hm a blue tome flier/horse could be pretty crazy bulky with only one adjacent ally with the respective fortify skill, that's +8.

e2: with the new fortify res seal, ephraim/eirika can now by themselves buff all four stats of an adjacent (-blade) ally. Insanity.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on May 17, 2017, 11:49:28 AM
ok guys the most important day of your lives playing this game has arrived, it's time to learn how to not die to magic

(http://i.imgur.com/McfYPyC.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on May 17, 2017, 06:56:43 PM
ok guys the most important day of your lives playing this game has arrived, it's time to learn how to not die to magic

(http://i.imgur.com/McfYPyC.png)
But I rolled Julia a long time ago....

I cheated and used your Felicia to kill things in the gauntlet. [\spoiler]
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on May 17, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
I cheated and used your Felicia to kill things in the gauntlet. [\spoiler]
so you played the normal way, is what i'm saying
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 17, 2017, 10:37:20 PM
Gee... such a close match between Robin and Tharja.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 18, 2017, 03:55:20 AM
Aw fuck, I got left with a hundred unspent flags. Tried to hoard too many in case Tharja ever dropped down into "weak" territory, and she didn't that I ever saw. Oh well, last gauntlet I accidentally didn't claim a hundred quest flags, so this is nothing new.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 18, 2017, 04:03:36 AM
Welp, grats Tharja.

It's probably gonna take Ike or Hector to win against a cute girl, and even then they'd be hard pressed to do it depending on the opponent in the finals.  Alas.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 18, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
(https://imgur.com/J8Y5MTG.png)

What did I do to make FEH like me so much lately? Goddamn.

Don't get me wrong, I'm super happy about that, but the fact that I'm going to have to get the SP to properly outfit two 5* units is worrying. Aat least I like Celica's default skills much more than Mae's on paper.

Edit: Okay, so Celica's spell is either bugged or worded poorly.

(https://imgur.com/7jxsJrs.png)

After first reading that I assumed "attacking" meant initiating an attack, but it seems to mean casting the spell period, even when being attacked, because she still takes the damage after a defense. I guess the only way to not take the damage is to be attacked by an enemy you can't counter for whatever reason. Fair enough, but I feel like this wording is a little misleading.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 18, 2017, 08:55:53 PM
Yeah, they messed up again.
The correct wording should be something like:
If at 100% health at the start of combat where unit can attack, unit receives Atk/Spd +5 and then takes 5 damage after combat
Man, that's clunky. I wonder if we're going to get to Yugioh tier wording shenanigans but it looks like they're trying to keep things relatively concise.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 18, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
So she only takes 5 damage if she's at full health?

I mean, that's better than the alternative, but it's a weird-ass translation.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 18, 2017, 09:00:29 PM
Something like that. And only when she can attack I think, so it's not like Fury, so I guess that's why they worded it differently.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 18, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
But that would make it sound like she would receive the 5 damage even if she didn't get to actually attack, say due to melee attacks or firesweep bow.
The wording seems pretty clear to me. The problem seems to be on the common correlating of a unit "attacking" with a unit "initiating an attack", which is differentiated in the game.

e: ninja'd, yeah clunky but clearer

e2: well actually no, that makes it sound like she wouldn't receive the buff if she was at full health but unable to counterattack. Might be better with bullet points:

Unit gains the following effects at 100% HP:
- receive Atk/Spd+5 at the start of combat.
- if unit can counter or is initiating combat, unit receives 5 damage after combat.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 18, 2017, 09:07:57 PM
Right, she only gets the stat boost at full health and only takes the damage when she gets the stat boost. It's an interesting mechanic, kind of seems like an incentive to make healer meta a thing

I've got a 4* Fae I can use to give her Renewal which should help, but I need sooo muuuch SP.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 18, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
Uh wait, so if she gets the buff but can't counterattack she still gets the 5 damage?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 18, 2017, 09:38:42 PM
I don't think so. Honestly hasn't come up yet. I'm not positive you get the speed boost if attacked close up while at full health and if you do I'm not sure you take damage. I would guess yes and no, but it's kind of awkward to test.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: OverlordChirei on May 19, 2017, 07:11:50 AM
Good Alm/Celica team build (https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/6ba00m/alm_and_celica_are_together_at_last/)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 19, 2017, 10:22:12 AM
Lloyd's Grand Hero map was a headache until I had to switch up tactics.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on May 19, 2017, 11:53:31 AM
I didn't have any trouble with it, but that's probably because I love Xander? (https://youtu.be/5FhdxDweNj8)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 19, 2017, 01:22:15 PM
I basically just obliterated the entire map with Scam-milla.

DOESN'T MATTER IF EVERYONE HAS REALLY HIGH RES WHEN I HAVE GRONNBLADE, OH NO OH NO
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 19, 2017, 04:49:53 PM
Can confirm that Ragnarok doesn't damage the user when attacked by a Firesweep Bow, not sure if the user gets the speed boost or not.

By the way, should Fire Emblem Echoes get its own thread or should we try to cram it in here?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 19, 2017, 05:03:00 PM
Might get a little cluttered. Maybe good to do something like fates where we have a separate thread and then start posting in here once it dies.
It's out?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 19, 2017, 05:17:28 PM
It is in fact out. Gonna go pick up my copy in a few.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on May 19, 2017, 11:07:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/f0T0dMxl.png)
Nailed it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 19, 2017, 11:58:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/f0T0dMxl.png)
Nailed it.
LOL WTF MANG!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 19, 2017, 11:58:54 PM
Sheeit, man.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 20, 2017, 12:57:33 AM
Congrats! Those are maybe my two most-wanted characters in the game right now (maybe swapping Ninian for Azura). Great pull.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 20, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
Congrats! Those are maybe my two most-wanted characters in the game right now (maybe swapping Ninian for Azura). Great pull.
You didn't pull during the herofest gacha??? I had gotten a crapton of Azura dupes from that one.

I got my FE: SoV copy along with the season pass dlc and Alm and Celica amiibo pack along with a chrome poster of the two gods fighting for ordering the game and season pass dlc. Now where is the seprate thread?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 20, 2017, 01:26:50 AM
Please feel free to make a new thread for SoV.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 20, 2017, 01:28:23 AM
Please feel free to make a new thread for SoV.
On my phone due to a bad down pour of rain, but I'll try.

Edit: Ding! Thread is made.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 20, 2017, 02:06:49 AM
Nailed it.
Holy f the f how the even??!?

But I'm not actually all too jealous since I have all those, and I would find myself at a moral crossroads if I pulled another Hinoka and have to wonder if I need too keep her for hone fliers SI or merge her.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: PX on May 20, 2017, 02:49:25 AM
Why
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 20, 2017, 02:55:17 AM
Does the lack of ! mean they're both dupes?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: PX on May 20, 2017, 03:07:28 AM
Lucina is, Shareena is my first 5* version
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 20, 2017, 03:47:05 AM
You didn't pull during the herofest gacha??? I had gotten a crapton of Azura dupes from that one.

Look, I don't want to sound like a dick, but I'm not a whale. I don't spend money on this game so I don't get very many pulls. I did every pull i could during that banner and just got 3*s. I'm sure if I dropped hundreds of dollars I would have one, but I didn't.

I got my FE: SoV copy along with the season pass dlc and Alm and Celica amiibo pack along with a chrome poster of the two gods fighting for ordering the game and season pass dlc. Now where is the seprate thread?

Wait, there are Amiibos? Shit, I didn't see them at the store earlier. Do want!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 20, 2017, 04:54:19 AM
Look, I don't want to sound like a dick, but I'm not a whale. I don't spend money on this game so I don't get very many pulls. I did every pull i could during that banner and just got 3*s. I'm sure if I dropped hundreds of dollars I would have one, but I didn't.

Wait, there are Amiibos? Shit, I didn't see them at the store earlier. Do want!


Yeah the amiibos give you secret dungeons for that perspective MC if you use it or a ghost unit if it's the opposite one like say you get ghost Celica if you use her amiibo on Alm's route. Err... they do cost almost $25 though for the 2 pack since they come together.

Also I understand for not wanting to spend money on FEHeroes sorry if I came off as a smartass.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 22, 2017, 02:48:44 PM
All these good banners, and limited daily orbs.

The perfect recipe for dropping the June Bride banner next :V
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 22, 2017, 04:24:39 PM
Yeah, I just have to cross my fingers that there won't be a special Camilla in *every* holiday banner...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 22, 2017, 06:38:28 PM
All these good banners, and limited daily orbs.

The perfect recipe for dropping the June Bride banner next :V
WHUT THERE'S A BRIDE BANNER???
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 22, 2017, 07:20:21 PM
It was datamined a while back, yeah.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 22, 2017, 08:33:26 PM
I'm seriously considering not pulling on any of these limited event banners, unless there's some truly exceptional skill that gets released. It's such a terrible investment for f2p players since it's a dead end for future use. Limited availability + abysmal rates, you'd be lucky to have a +1 merged unit in 2 years time, by the time which they're probably power creeped out anyway. Such is waifu power I guess.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 22, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

If you really like one of the characters, that's a good reason.  If they're otherwise good (or broken, like Spring Camilla) units and you have a need for them, that's a good reason.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 23, 2017, 02:31:11 PM
The boat map with all the crates is horrific cancer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 23, 2017, 04:26:00 PM
Gave Subaki his promotion to 5 stars. I was holding off on it because I wasn't sure if I was going to replace him or not, but he's been holding his own and his being a bonus unit was a good opportunity.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 23, 2017, 04:41:47 PM
Haven't played on the boat map yet, but the map with all the breakable walls and the defensive tiles in the middle is the worst for my team since my composition is player phase heavy. Especially if the enemy has mage + dancer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 23, 2017, 05:11:49 PM
Hmm, Defense Emblem seems seriously pro-Takumi. He's no longer consistently possible to trivialize with bulky mage+Quick Riposte since if he lands on a fortified square, which he often does, he sticks around at ~3 HP with Vantage and Vengeance. May have to revisit Triangle Master MRobin.

For whatever reason the number and quality of enemy + units seems way way higher today. Virtually every match I played today, which was quite a few, had ~10 total + across their units. Enough to be a problem. Surely this game doesn't have so many whales that *everyone* in my rank has 3-6 of every 5*, right?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 23, 2017, 06:17:19 PM
If you're in rank 18, then apparently that's the highest it's possible to be this week, meaning that's where all the whales and dolphins are podding at rn. People are expecting them to filter themselves upstairs over the course of the next couple arenas.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 23, 2017, 07:05:18 PM
I'm only rank 16 (thought I was supposed to go up to 17 but I guess I got knocked down at the last second) which is part of why I'm so surprised.

I was going to 5* Alfonse next but I may have to prioritize getting Gronnblade+ on BunCam so I can compete with all these inflated stats.

Hey Edible, what kind of active and B skill are you running on your BunCam? What works well on a Blade tentpole team?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 23, 2017, 08:22:10 PM
I don't think tier affects the enemies you're seeing, I think it's a function of your arena team getting stronger. And Advanced Arena always places you against teams that are "stronger" than yours.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 23, 2017, 10:02:30 PM
Hey Edible, what kind of active and B skill are you running on your BunCam? What works well on a Blade tentpole team?

Vantage and Draconic Aura.

Vantage because she doesn't really like to take hits, but Fury 3 tends to keep her HP low and she one-shots anything that isn't Red anyway.  Draconic Aura because I didn't have anything better at the time.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 23, 2017, 11:28:51 PM
I don't think tier affects the enemies you're seeing, I think it's a function of your arena team getting stronger. And Advanced Arena always places you against teams that are "stronger" than yours.

Oh really? I figured you would only get matched against your own tier but I guess it makes sense that you're only being scored against your own tier. Interesting.

My team is stronger than usual right now, since I can rarely run four 5*s and have a featured unit, but this time I can. So yeah, that checks out. Hmm...

Vantage and Draconic Aura.

Vantage because she doesn't really like to take hits, but Fury 3 tends to keep her HP low and she one-shots anything that isn't Red anyway.  Draconic Aura because I didn't have anything better at the time.

Vantage makes sense. I'm running Iote's Shield on mine right now in the A slot because I had been using her to tank Takumis and one-round-kill them with Quick Riposte, and I miiiight still consider that. We'll see. Fury does make sense, but I just don't have the SP to completely overhaul all of her skills right now.

I have Bonfire on mine as a special skill or whatever, but what I mean by "active" is Rally Attack sort of skills. The blue shield skills. Is there one that works especially well with her?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 24, 2017, 01:22:36 AM
Ohhhh, sorry.

I'm still running Rally Attack on mine, but only because I haven't gotten around to putting Reposition on her.

Until there's a flying dancer there just straight up isn't a better assist skill than Reposition for flyers.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 24, 2017, 01:30:38 AM
Alright, Gronnblade+ secured. I'll see how it goes and probably end up adding Fury and Vantage as well. Or maaaybe Fury and Escape Route.

Reposition is definitely, DEFINITELY super good (and often just reads "you win" against armor-heavy teams) but I do slightly worry that the AI is making poor use of it and costing me arena defense wins.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 24, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
Anyone tried the new special challenge maps... because they kicked my ass.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 24, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
They're normal units but with +6 to all stats or something like that. Super offensive units or hard color counters should be really effective.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 24, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
They're normal units but with +6 to all stats or something like that. Super offensive units or hard color counters should be really effective.
-cough- One of them had Meimei there... and he steamed rolled all of my units.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on May 24, 2017, 10:54:49 PM
(https://imgur.com/BQRgpcU.png)

Scariest one was the battle with Julia and Sanaki. If not for Priscilla keeping Xander healthy, I definitely wouldn't have won.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 24, 2017, 11:04:12 PM
I found the first one, with Takumi and Azura to give him a huge swing, to be the most trouble. The last one with Julia and Sanaki would have been really rough but I found that the map made splitting up the enemy forces to be easier than usual so it basically ended up being two 4-on-2s which wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 25, 2017, 05:40:22 PM
Has anyone managed to beat 11-5 on lunatic with the special mission? Maybe my selection of units isn't right for it, but I haven't even been able to get close. And even if I wanted to spam continues I don't think they really help much because the time limit is a lot of the problem.

Does a clear still count as not losing characters if you resurrect them? I have cleared it normally a couple of times with only 1-2 units remaining, so if I used a continue to resurrect them would I have gotten the mission clear?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 25, 2017, 06:07:16 PM
I used one continue to beat that one and I got the mission reward, so it only seems to matter if all 4 units are alive at the end of the stage -- this going for any mission requiring all four units staying alive.
If anyone does/did manage to get that stage with no casualties I'm curious what team you used. I feel like I almost had it but was missing something somewhere.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 25, 2017, 06:22:15 PM
My best guess was that maaaybe a Hone Fliers team with a Hinoka, probably a Camilla, and a dancer might stand a chance, but that's really just a total guess. Cracking the mages *at all* while they're in the fortified squares is hard, much less killing them, but I figure maybe you could get an in with a very powerful Brave attacker and probably Savage Blow as well.

I was only able to kill them by luring them out of the fortified area which meant I didn't have a trip ton if room to move around, and I just don't have a solid lance user for this map to fulfill the mission requirements. Hence Hinoka seeming like a decent option.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 25, 2017, 06:49:17 PM
Ohh wait wait no 11-5 I was thinking of last week's that last survival challenge. No yeah, fliers really trivialize this map. I used Julia, Ninian, Palla, Hinoka. I feel like maybe you wouldn't even need a dancer. They don't move for those first 2 or so turns so going in with a brave drag back flier to destroy them and repositioning them out of the way is yeah. Like shooting into a barrel of fish.

Since your SCamilla can deal with the two blues, your problem remains with the red and green mages? That green mage is surprisingly tanky on the physical side, so taking shots at him with a red mage or something might work if you have one. As for celica, how about like a peri or something? She's got good res.

e: they were defense tiles? That explains a lot.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 25, 2017, 07:33:53 PM
The team I used that beat it a couple of times without going 4-0 was Sharena, BunCam, Olivia, and 4* Wrys. This was before I put Gronnblade+ on BunCam though, and she pairs really well with Sharena, so maybe I would have better luck if I tried again.

BunCam can technically kill everything except Celica, but she can't really take hits from anything either because she's got bad resist. She could maybe tank one hit, but any two hits will kill her. Sharena can kill Celica easily, but getting Celica somewhere that Sharena can reach her in a reasonable amount of time without getting one of my other units sniped isn't easy.

Edit: Okay, tried three times in a row and lost by timing out one turn before finishing off the last enemy all three times. The time wasted shuffling around the fort in the middle is so harsh that this feels impossible without an all-fliers team or maybe very specific unit counters that I don't have. I'm not losing units now that Camilla has Gronnblade, but the time is way too unforgiving. Not even sure how I beat it normally now...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 25, 2017, 09:35:46 PM
It's doable with all 3* units: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQf05yC7uYU

The biggest issue for me was finding a usable lance that could contribute or the time limit would kick in - luckily I had a Cordelia with Galeforce. I personally used Cecilia to tank Bruno, Cordelia to kill anyone else not named Boey, a dancer to get Cordelia away from everyone's range after killing Celica, and Ike to kill Boey because Boey was insanely difficult for me to kill with my setup.

I think the key is to try to draw them out of the defensive tiles as quickly as possible so you don't waste turns with them running around in the back. Breaking the walls to bait helps. Ranged units or fliers are essential I think.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 25, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
So it seems so far like the successful teams have hard-hitting flying lance users, which I definitely don't have. I'm sure there's a way for me to do this, there are probably many ways, but missing that piece definitely makes it tricky.

I haven't tried breaking the walls myself at all for some reason. That's probably going to help a ton. Good call.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 26, 2017, 03:26:20 AM
It begins. (https://twitter.com/FE_Heroes_JP/status/867940024335060993)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 27, 2017, 03:50:22 PM
@Edible Is that the bride banner or something new?

I did manage to finally get revenge on Narcian's Grand Hero map.... lol Vantage Ryoma broke everything.

Ok! Ok! It's time for the gambling game with 297 orbs involved... or I could do a few missions and get 3 orbs for 300 ok... *girls are getting three orbs please wait warmly*

Alrighty got my three hundred now let's see if we can get Celica and co... or just wait for the next banner:

Roll 1 -

Roll Set 1: 3 grays, 1 blue, and 1 green.

Result:  dupe 4* Azama, dupe 3* Cherche, dupe 3* Felicia,  dupe 3* Lissa, and dupe 3* Donnel.

Comment:  I'm used to having shitty rolls until roll attempt # 4 or 5.

==================

Roll 2 -

Roll Set 2:  1 Gray, 2 Greens, 1 Red, and 1 Blue

Result:  dupe 3* Setsuna, dupe 3* Cherche, dupe 4* F.Corrin, dupe 4* Raven, and dupe 3* Eliwood.

Comment:  This is fine I say as I'm sharpening my butcher knife.
=====================

Roll 3 -

Roll Set 3: 3 Reds and 2 Grays.

Result:  dupe 4* Hana, 4* Tharja (TBH I did wanted her too so this is good for me), dupe 4* George, dupe 3* Olivia, and dupe 3* Felicia.

Comment:  I don't mind the random Tharja this makes it all better.
=====================

Roll 4 -

Roll Set 4: 3 Reds, 1 Gray, and 1 Blue.

Result: dupe 4* Chrom, dupe 3* Laslow/Indigo, dupe 4* Clarine, dupe 4* Effie, and dupe 3* Selena/Severa

Comment:  *Knifing intensifies*
==========================

Roll 5 -

Roll Set 5: 2 Reds, 1 Blue, 1 Green, and 1 Gray.

Result:  dupe 4* Henry, dupe 3* Serra, dupe 3* Gwendolyn, 4* Ogma, and dupe 3* Barst.

Comment:  Only 1 new thing ok.
==============================

Roll 6 -

Roll Set 6: 2 Green, 2 Blue, and 1 Gray.

Result:  dupe 3* Lissa, dupe 3* Florina, dupe 3* Gunter, dupe 4* Nino, and dupe 3* F.Corrin.

Comment:  Currently at 4.50% Rate DAFUQ IS THIS SHIT!?!
===================================

Roll 7 -

Roll Set 7: 1 Red, 2 Grays, 1 Green, and 1 Blue

Result:  4* M. Corrin (WHUT!?!), dupe 3* Subaki, dupe 4* Rebecca, dupe 4* Barte, and dupe 3* Setsuna.

Comment:  OK? OK? I GOT A HIGHER RATE, BUT NOTHING OFF THE BANNER THIS IS FINE NO REALLY WHAT THE FLIPPING FUCK!?!  :derp:
==============================

Roll 8 -

Roll Set 8: 4 Reds and 1 Blue.

Result:  dupe 4* Hinata, dupe 4* Raigh, dupe 3* Hana, dupe 3* Oboro, and dupe 4* Marth.

Comment:  THIS RATE IS GOING HIIIIIIIIIIGHER!!!! THIS RATE IS GOING HI-GHER! One of those reds should of been Celica!!!!
================================

Roll 9-

Roll Set 9: 1 Green, 2 Reds and 2 Grays.

Result:  I asked for the first red to be Celica and she came, yay.~ (Celica and Alm now reunited) 5* Celica (thanks for listening), dupe 3* Matthew, 5* Boey, dupe 4* Raigh, and dupe 4* Lucius.

Comment:  Wow! Boey and Celica in the same roll this is fine! Thanks 5.00%-chan!
=============================

Roll 10 -

Roll Set 10: 1 Red, 1 Gray, 2 Blues, and 1 Green.

Result:  dupe 3* Wrys,  dupe 4* Chrom, dupe 3* Shanna, dupe 3* Bartre, and 5* Mae.

Comment:  Now for Genny!
=============================

Roll 11 -

Roll Set 11: 2 Grays, 1 Blue, and 2 Reds,

Result:  dupe 3* Wrys, dupe 4* M.Corrin,  dupe 3* Adult Tiki, dupe 4* Reinhardt, and dupe 3* Virion.

Comment:  Not bothering me at all.
=================================

Roll 11 -

Roll Set 11:  3 blues and 2 Reds.

Result:  dupe 5* Mae, dupe 4* Odin, dupe 3* Lon'qu, dupe 3* Tiki,  and dupe 4* Peri.

Comment:  That dupe Mae was very inconvenient for me...
======================================

Roll 12 -

Roll Set 11: 3 Reds, 1 Gray, and 1 Green.

Result:  dupe 4* Tharja, dupe 4* Sophia, 4* Lilina (Lilina and Roy reunited!), dupe 4* Barst, and 5* Genny!

Comment:  Celica banner completed! 

Imma stop here and save my 40 orbs while I still have my life.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 27, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
@Edible Is that the bride banner

Indeed it is.

Details are sparse (probably until tonight/tomorrow evening) but the one on the left looks like Lyn.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 27, 2017, 09:05:52 PM
I'm saving my stones because one of the silhouettes kind of looks like a flower girl Elise and I still really want an Elise to go with Camilla.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 27, 2017, 10:19:11 PM
I'm saving my stones because one of the silhouettes kind of looks like a flower girl Elise and I still really want an Elise to go with Camilla.
I haven't gotten Elise yet so this should make up for it...

@Edible Woohoo!!!!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 27, 2017, 10:51:03 PM
I somewhat doubt Elise will be on any bride banner for various reasons, but I guess a flower girl Elise would fit. Also, the from the bottom right of the silhouette it looks like the person is question has very long, somewhat brushy(?) hair. Although it could be a part of the dress I'm not accounting for.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 27, 2017, 11:01:32 PM
Right, that hair makes me think Elise,but it could be someone else. Florina maybe (which would admittedly be a weird choice) or any number of other characters.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 27, 2017, 11:40:14 PM
If Elise is in the bride banner, she had better be a flower girl. But not a bride. Nope, sorry Elise but you're not getting married. This world does not deserve bride Elise.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 27, 2017, 11:41:39 PM
If Elise is in the bride banner, she had better be a flower girl. But not a bride. Nope, sorry Elise but you're not getting married. This world does not deserve bride Elise.
The one of the left think it's Felicia....
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 28, 2017, 12:39:53 AM
Wtb Elise with that ability that lets staves do full damage and the game's first Brave Staff. Or maybe just make her a mounted tome wielder.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 29, 2017, 01:23:50 AM
https://twitter.com/FE_Heroes_JP/status/868999364496179200

hdfodflkh
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 29, 2017, 01:36:42 AM
That bride lyn is insane. A status effect staff that seals counterattacks? With a b-passive that blocks counterattacks as well?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 29, 2017, 02:20:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q8vdvk0_7M

Version with English translation of all the effects and such.

Interesting selection of characters.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 29, 2017, 04:01:19 AM
Hmm, I'm torn. On one hand those are interesting and fun, but on the other hand there's a banner up right now featuring Azura at decent rates. What should I do with my stones? Take a shot in the dark for a bride (sucks that there are no grooms...) or take a shot in the slightly-less-dark on the current banner?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2017, 04:01:45 PM
Waifu wars! Waifu wars! Waifu wars!

Also wtf is Charlotte doing in the new banner if she hasn't been released yet????
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 29, 2017, 04:02:17 PM
Ask Xander.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on May 29, 2017, 04:14:24 PM
Ask Xander.
Oh right! XD
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on May 29, 2017, 07:55:36 PM
Is Charlotte a popular character? I'm honestly surprised she got the slot in favor of lucina or something. Or you know a groom.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2017, 11:27:53 AM
Had enough stones for two rounds of pulls. Second was uneventful, but first had this:

(https://imgur.com/J2XTZDI.png)

I would've preferred Lyn, as would everyone I imagine, but still super good! Will gladly take.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on May 30, 2017, 12:11:26 PM
40 orbs later all I have to show is a Klein for Death Blow inheritance. ;;
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 30, 2017, 01:56:17 PM
Dumped the vast majority of my stockpiled orbs, got a Bride Cordelia.

Turns out her stats are really good!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on May 30, 2017, 04:27:30 PM
So tempted to feed my Cordelia to Camilla tp get her that elusive Wings of Mercy 3 as well as Cordelia's cool rally ability to use on BunCam and power up her Gronnblade by a ton with a single action.

Probably not gonna do it though, since I'd have to rework my whole team to accommodate the attack and speed buff, including giving up Reposition on Camilla. And of course Cordelia herself is fun, cute and good so it would be a bit of a waste.

Edit: Nevermind, she has Escape Route anyway, not Wings of Mercy.

Edit Edit-able: Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 30, 2017, 04:40:52 PM
She also doesn't have Wings of Mercy, but the rather less useful Escape Route.

With that said, I think it's fair to say that Bride Cordelia has the best stats for an archer in the game.  She seems to make a better Quad archer than Setsuna or Takumi.

Long-term, I think I'm going to run her with Brave Bow+ and Life&Death 3.  It's a shame I don't have a Windsweep Bow to give her.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Moogs Parfait on May 30, 2017, 05:34:11 PM
Spent the 100 orbs I had saved and got doubles of Bride Cordelia and Bride Lyn, plus regular Cordelia.

Immediately fed regular Cordelia to True Waifu Shanna for Brave Lance+ and Astra/Galeforce. I may keep the second Lyn for later or +1 her. I really need a healer or mage flyer. =(

Or I can feed her to Shanna for no counters...

Time to stock up for swimsuits and halloween costumes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on May 30, 2017, 08:42:15 PM
Lyn's no counters ability is staff users-only, unfortunately.

In other news, I'm Rank 18 in Arena now and holy shit I am not ranking up this time.  Which is unfortunate, because there's no middle ground... so I can only go down in rank.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on May 31, 2017, 03:41:51 AM
It's been fun to watch people on my friend list bounce between tier 16, 17, and 18. Hopefully as more people rank up it'll be possible to enter tier 19 without big merges or armor stacking.

Anyway, I pulled miss perfection, although she had a less than perfect bane:
(https://puu.sh/w6d5E/b779dcf624.jpg)

Since Brave Bow+ is a long time away and I refuse to roll any more colorless, I might just slap Fury on her just for the next 3 arena sessions. Not sure if the extra offensive power from LnD 2 will be worth it without Brave Bow. I guess I'll see how she does against common arena threats in the upcoming weeks and see what thresholds I'm missing.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 01, 2017, 12:57:37 AM
Are neutral stated heros considered any good? I just got one for bride Cordelia and was wondering if it's worth investing into.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 01, 2017, 01:46:53 AM
Depends on the hero, some are better than others.  In Bride Cordelia's case I think being neutral allows her to survive one hit from neutral ATK Hector, so it works out.  Mine's +ATK/-DEF so she can't.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 01, 2017, 02:06:33 AM
Mine seems to be -HP/+SPD, which is weird because that's also what my BunCam is. So I guess that's how event chases are for me. Not the worst, but definitely not great.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 01, 2017, 05:07:04 PM
Lolwut I just pulled a second Bride Cordelia. Okay now I really would have preferred Lyn, but I'm not complaining. That's mad lucky.

Just gotta decide if I want to use her to inherit her weird active or to mash the two together. I think the new one is -HP +ATK.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 01, 2017, 05:17:39 PM
I'd use the +ATK one over the +SPD one, yeah.

Edit: Oh right, Camus tomorrow!  For all your spear cavalry ranged counter needs.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 01, 2017, 08:56:08 PM
I'd use the +ATK one over the +SPD one, yeah.

Edit: Oh right, Camus tomorrow!  For all your spear cavalry ranged counter needs.
Camus is a Grand Hero battle???
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 01, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
Yes indeed.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on June 01, 2017, 09:26:24 PM
yay. another. distant. counter. unit.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on June 01, 2017, 10:09:19 PM
I don't think Camus' going to be that relevant outside of Grani's shield. Sure, it gives him inmunity to the advantage wolf tomes have against cavs, and distant counter means that he can fight back from any range. But if you notice his sad, sad res, it means the distant counter is going to be relevant only against archers if anything.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 01, 2017, 11:29:05 PM
The much much more important thing it that he's inheritable, right? Get ready to see Distant Counter on 50%+ of all units ever in PVP. Slot A is definitely the hardest to fill so it won't be too costly. Now I gotta decide if I want to swap my HP+/Seal Resist FCorrin over to Distant Counter and Quick Riposte. That should handle all archers forever and free up BunCam from needing to run Iote's Shield, so I can put Fury on her.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on June 02, 2017, 12:07:23 AM
I think the distant counter is built into his weapon

e: also, I find slot B a lot harder to fill than slot A. Slot A is good in general at acutely sharpening your unit's strengths while slot B tends to be the flexible, meta dependent skill. Aside from the obviously good B skills like drag back for fliers, I mean.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 02, 2017, 12:17:52 AM
Oh it is on his weapon? Fair enough, I had seen it reported early on that it wasn't. This is proooobably for the better.

B skill can easily be filled with Wings Of Mercy (when available anyway) or Swordbreaker. I also think Quick Riposte is extremely underrated.

A skill is pretty much Fury 3 and maybe HP+... I'd love it if there were more Life And Death 3, Death Blow 3, and Distant Defense available, but a lot of theoretically solid options are just very costly.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on June 02, 2017, 12:59:28 AM
The B skill while adding a lot of individuality to a build, is a little limited by circumstances, making it rather difficult to identify the 'correct' choice for any character. The A skill on the other hand is, as you say, most often stuck with excellent choices in LaD or fury, but can be hard to obtain.

So yeah. B skill has lots of situational, easy to obtain options, while A skills are solid buffs that tend to be harder to obtain. In the sense that it's more costly to fill I get what you mean.

Not that I play mages, so I can't say I would be terribly distraught over a sudden flood of distant counters everywhere. I still think close counter is much more cancer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 02, 2017, 05:35:55 AM
Quick Riposte is great on Xander. Doubling anything that tries to hit me? Hell to the yeah.

Though it typically only works once, I have a healer I guess???
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 02, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Vantage on distance counter users makes me happy!

======================

Edit: Let's go fishing for brides shall we! 257 orbs (Yes I usually buy the 140 and 75 orbs)

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First Roll Set: 2 Reds, 2 Grays, and 1 Blue.

Result: dupe 4* Chrom, dupe 4* Hana, dupe 4* Sully, dupe 3* Niles, and dupe 4* Felicia.

Comment: Game pls.
===================

Second Roll Set: 4 Grays and 1 Red.

Result: dupe 4* Lilina, dupe 3* Gordin, dupe 3* Azama, dupe 4* Matthew, dupe 3* Lissa.

Comment: Game PLS!?!
====================

Third Roll Set: 1 Gray, 2 Green, 1 Blue, and 1 Red.

Result: dupe 3* Palla, dupe 3* Cecilia, dupe 4* Barte, dupe 3* Florina, and dupe 3* Lissa

Comment: I'm going to pretend that the rng is being a nice person right now.
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Fourth Roll Set: 1 Red, 1 Green, 2 Blues, and 1 Gray.

Result: dupe 3* Frederick, dupe 4* Shanna, dupe 4* Est, dupe 3* Stahl, and dupe 3* Saizo.

Comment: -goes to buy 75 more orbs because I'm totally not salty-
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252 let's play the salt game again.  :V

Fifth Roll Set: 2 Grays, 2 Blues, and 1 Green.

Result: dupe 3* Serra, dupe 4* Odin/Owen, dupe 3* Cherche, dupe 3* Gaius, and dupe 3* Sully.

Comment: I guess won't need to buy salt tonight.
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Sixth Roll Set: 3 Reds and 2 Greens. (Crap!)

Result: dupe 3* Draug, dupe 3* Sophia, dupe 4* Nino, dupe 4* Camilla, and dupe 4* Erika.

Comment: At least I have free Pivot for Xander and I tossed another Pivot from a dupe Marth onto Camus.
====================

Seventh Roll Set: 3 Grays, 1 Green, and 1 Red.

Result:  dupe 4* Saizo, dupe 3* Lissa, dupe 4* Barte, dupe 4* Adult Tiki, and BRIDE LYN GET!!!!

Comment: 1 BRIDE DOWN 3 MORE TO GO!
====================

Eighth Roll Set: 3 Reds and 2 Blues.

Result: dupe 3* Lon'qu (Free Vantage to give to Camus), dupe 3* Shanna, dupe 3* Selena/Severa, dupe 3* Eliwood, and Bride Caeda!

Comment: 2 BRIDES DOWN 2 MORE TO GO!
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Ninth Roll Set: 3 Greens and 2 Grays.

Result: dupe 3* Nino, dupe 3* Frederick, dupe 3* Gunter, dupe 4* Saizo, dupe 4* Felicia.

Comment: This is fine.
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Tenth Roll Set: 2 Blues, 1 Green, 1 Red, and 1 Gray.

Result:  dupe 3* Donnel, dupe 4* Lilina, dupe 3* Frederick, dupe 3* F. Corrin, and dupe 3* Saizo.

Comment: Anything to get that rate up.
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Eleventh Roll Set: 3 Greens, 1 Gray, and 1 Blue.

Result:  dupe 4* Nino, dupe 4* Arthur,  dupe 4* Frederick, dupe 4* Serra, and dupe 3* Est.

Comment: Rate up! Rate up! Rate up!
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Twelfth Roll Set: 3 Blues and 2 Grays!

Result: dupe 3* Sully, dupe 3* Odin/Owen, dupe 3* Gaius, dupe 4* Donnel, and dupe Bride Lyn.

Comment: OOF! This might be another Celica gacha botch if this keeps up!  :ohdear:
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Thirteenth Roll Set: 2 Grays, 2 Reds, and 1 Blue.

Result:  dupe 4* Lon'qu, dupe 4* Seliph, dupe 3* Niles, dupe 4* Azama, and dupe 3* Donnel.

Comment: Not... good.
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Fourteenth Roll Set: 3 Grays, 1 Reds, and 1 Blue.

Result:  dupe 3* Draug, dupe 3* Setsuna, dupe 3* Setsuna (AGAIN!), dupe 3* Felicia, and dupe 3* Shanna.

Comment: Think this might be the end of the road for me.
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Fifteenth Roll Set: 4 Reds and 1 Green.

Result: dupe 3* Henry, dupe 3 Nino, dupe 3* Laslow, dupe 3* Palla, and dupe 3* Palla (AGAIN!).

Comment: -sighs- This streak is bad I might try again when I get paid again, but I want to save up for Superdimension Neptune that's coming out on steam in two sweeks also.
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-Ok I think I might have a gambling problem with this game bought 75 orbs AGAIN-

Sixteenth Roll Set: 1 Blue, 3 Greens, and 1 Red.

Result: dupe 4* Beruka, dupe 3* Frederick, dupe 3* Gunter, dupe 4* Olivia, and dupe 3* Subaki
 
Comment: Not cool.
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Eighteenth Roll Set: 3 Reds 1 Blue, and 1 Green.

Result:  dupe 4* Henry, dupe 3* Palla, dupe 3* Lon'qu, dupe 4* Hawkeye,  and dupe 3* Jagen.

Comment: UGH!!!
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Nineteenth Roll Set: 3 Reds, 1 Green, and 1 Gray.

Result: dupe 3* Sophia, dupe 4* Beruka, dupe 5* Roy (FUCKING HELL!!!!!!), dupe 3 Hinata, dupe 3* Clarine.

Comment: FUCKING ROY KILLED MY RATE!!!!!!!!
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Twentieth Roll Set: 2 Greens and 3 Blues.

Result: dupe 3* Gunter, dupe 4* Barte, dupe 3* Est, dupe 3* Jagen, and dupe 3* Robin.
 
Comment: RIP ME!
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Last Roll....

Twenty-One Roll Set: 2 Reds, 1 Green, 1 Gray, and 1 Blue.

Result: dupe 3* Beruka, dupe 3* Raigh, dupe 3* Hinata, dupe 3* Oboro, and dupe 4 Maria.
 
Comment: REKT'D BY RNG!!!!!

Ugh... nope, nope, and nope didn't get the bride set it's ok though at least I've learned a hard earned lesson, I'll go buy Pikmin 3 digitally for my Wii U and call it a night. (T_T)

-goes to sob-
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on June 03, 2017, 06:09:17 AM
I don't think Camus' going to be that relevant outside of Grani's shield. Sure, it gives him inmunity to the advantage wolf tomes have against cavs, and distant counter means that he can fight back from any range. But if you notice his sad, sad res, it means the distant counter is going to be relevant only against archers if anything.

Isn't he blue Xander. Pretty sure people really like Xander. Same weapon, same ult.  Main difference I see that is that he has more balanced stats. While he doesn't have crazy armor, he has a lot of speed, so outside of Nino, you're probably not getting doubled by green mages. In that way, he does better against green mages than Xander does.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 03, 2017, 02:09:17 PM
(https://imgur.com/FeZwlCc.png)

Is this some kind of weird tactic or did somebody goof?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 03, 2017, 02:30:35 PM
(https://imgur.com/FeZwlCc.png)

Is this some kind of weird tactic or did somebody goof?
They dun goofed....
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 05, 2017, 03:46:21 AM
Fuuuck I just noticed I haven't gotten a single arena win this week. Tough crowd...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on June 05, 2017, 09:03:24 AM
So, was Camus the last Grand Hero Battle we knew about/where missing? Are all the boss only characters aside from the Heroes newcomers available now?
If so, I wonder who they are gonna go with next, or if they are just gonna keep repeating them until the main story gives us more.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 05, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
new event seems pretty cool and seems like a good chance to possible blow through all these stamina potions.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 05, 2017, 04:49:32 PM
So, was Camus the last Grand Hero Battle we knew about/where missing? Are all the boss only characters aside from the Heroes newcomers available now?
If so, I wonder who they are gonna go with next, or if they are just gonna keep repeating them until the main story gives us more.

That's a good question. I don't know if we've worked through all of the qualifying enemies or not, but regardless, what happens once we do? Heroes-only characters as Grand Hero Battles? Characters who straight-up just aren't you j the game right now? Alternate versions of existing characters? There's a lot they could do. My money's on the Heroes villains I guess.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 05, 2017, 04:59:14 PM
Bride Lyn get.  Unfortunately I can't say she'll see much use, but as soon as healers actually become useful...

They'll just keep adding new ones, I suppose.  Lloyd wasn't in the original GHB datamine info and Camus was.

Here's hoping we get Aversa.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Moogs Parfait on June 06, 2017, 12:43:53 AM
Skipping over Olivia

(http://i.imgur.com/z6YNpCp.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 06, 2017, 05:29:04 PM
Okay, I've been playing around with Bride Lyn for a bit now, and her ability allows for some nice safe plays.  I no longer have to fear a +8 Vantage Hector, because poking him once with Lyn lets me chip him down with whoever else I have available or kite him as necessary.  She works quite well with Horseshit Murdercannon Bride Cordelia, with her boosted 60-something attack, 35 speed, and Brave Bow+.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 06, 2017, 06:01:43 PM
Yeah, I think Bride Lyn isn't a "when healers become good" thing, I think she IS a healer being good. She heals, which is great, and she has powerful other stuff she can do when she isn't healing.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 06, 2017, 08:23:10 PM
Does attacking Vantage Hector with Lyn while he's under the vantage threshold still prevent him from attacking first? If so, I may try and pull a Lyn in anticipation of tougher PvE content.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 06, 2017, 08:24:29 PM
I believe so, right? Her weapon prevents counterattacks period, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 06, 2017, 08:36:57 PM
It's more that her B ability, Dazzling Staff, disables any counters from the enemy against Lyn, while being hit with her staff inflicts the "No counter" debuff for the turn.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 06, 2017, 09:09:49 PM
Oh right, I was thinking it was the opposite. Regardless, she has an ability that straight-up disables counters so she shouldn't have a problem with Vantage. I think she's intended as a Vantage-spam counter so it would be bad if she did.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 06, 2017, 11:41:05 PM
I've tested that specific scenario, yeah.  Dazzling Staff disables counters period, Vantage or otherwise.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 06, 2017, 11:53:07 PM
I've tested that specific scenario, yeah.  Dazzling Staff disables counters period, Vantage or otherwise.
Oh boy!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 07, 2017, 05:34:25 AM
So apparently the Masked Marth reward for Tempest has the exact same stats (and probably skills) as neutral Lucina. Free Lucina for everyone - don't know how difficult it'll be to get her though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on June 07, 2017, 06:04:13 AM
What is this tempest thing?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 07, 2017, 06:26:12 AM
If you check the bulletin board you'll see ads for it. It seems like it's a PVE thing with a pseudo-permadeath feature where you can't re-use a unit in the scenario if they die. I think. That's my takeaway from it anyway.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on June 07, 2017, 02:33:24 PM
The next update sounds really good. It's small things, but I love all of it.

Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 07, 2017, 03:12:12 PM
The option to turn off the double-tap to Wait feature will be very nice.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 07, 2017, 09:19:35 PM
I happen to use that feature a lot, I was a little surprised people wanted it gone.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on June 07, 2017, 09:35:45 PM
It's convenient for sure but there have been more than zero amount of times that I've accidentally skipped a unit's turn without meaning to that cost me a run. Eg: trying to reposition a unit by double tapping them and then realizing you just skipped their turn because you somehow didn't tap the repositioner unit first.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 08, 2017, 12:27:50 AM
I honestly didn't even realize that was a mechanic. I don't think I've ever done it by mistake, and certainly never on purpose.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 08, 2017, 03:08:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/v3ziSJP.png)

after several tries managed a full run with no deaths. i realized fooling around with healers and armored units was  a waste of time, wings of mercy azura did pretty much all the heavy lifting to ohko the enemy every map or allow julia to attack twice.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 08, 2017, 04:59:55 PM
I lost a good few units before I started to find tactics that consistently work. I've still got all of my very crucial units (which is to say, the extremely hard-hitting magic ones and my Olivia), but not most of my score-boosting ones which sucks.

Does anyone know if surrendering lets you keep your characters if you get a bad run, or do they still all get eliminated?

Edit: Wait, have I completely misunderstood how this works? You CAN reuse characters between runs? Well that's much easier.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 08, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
What the fuck, I just pulled a THIRD Bride Cordelia.

Would've, uh, been nice if one of those had been a Lyn...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on June 08, 2017, 11:14:29 PM
Looks like it's just a gauntlet style for Tempest.

That's neat. Almost interesting enough to consid-

>pretty much requires multiple high level teams

yeah nevermind pass
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 08, 2017, 11:15:47 PM
Even on the hardest lunatic mode I've never needed more than two teams, so it should be doable.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on June 08, 2017, 11:56:20 PM
Even on the hardest lunatic mode I've never needed more than two teams, so it should be doable.

I mean my current strongest setup is three 31-33 range units

and second strongest is 'lv 1 5*s'. This was a personal complaint mostly, but I can say holy shit, this 35-40 lv maps for rewards meme is really discouraging anyone who is not relentlessly playing honestly.

I think they need to heavily reconsider the reward scaling too honestly because shit, that's a lot of runs either way.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 09, 2017, 12:03:59 AM
I mean my current strongest setup is three 31-33 range units

and second strongest is 'lv 1 5*s'. This was a personal complaint mostly, but I can say holy shit, this 35-40 lv maps for rewards meme is really discouraging anyone who is not relentlessly playing honestly.

I think they need to heavily reconsider the reward scaling too honestly because shit, that's a lot of runs either way.
I kinda feel the same way too... be quite honest.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 09, 2017, 12:22:30 AM
To get all the rewards is almost an impossible hurdle without stamina pots, yeah.  Maybe that's the intent.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on June 09, 2017, 12:26:27 AM
To get all the rewards is almost an impossible hurdle without stamina pots, yeah.  Maybe that's the intent.

It's almost certainly- good thing they threw a shit down at us.

But even the main big one feels... like a lot of play, honestly. On what is not a short ride.

I feel like they could've handled it better, and honestly the new player inaccessibility is still my biggest complaint.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 09, 2017, 12:33:46 AM
I've got a setup that reliably scores ~600 points, which isn't that many runs at all to get to the good stuff over two weeks. I do play quite a lot though so I definitely can't comment on how the experience is for newer or more casual players.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Hikarin on June 09, 2017, 02:55:40 AM
To get all the rewards is almost an impossible hurdle without stamina pots, yeah.  Maybe that's the intent.

Well, they've been throwing stampots at players like no tomorrow, so unless you've been farming for hours a day most people should be fine.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 09, 2017, 03:02:41 AM
(https://puu.sh/weWLc/f7b3fa9e87.png)
So my setup either gets me what I assume is the full 705 points if Veronica's map doesn't screw me over, or 300 points as I proceed to lose all four teams to Reinhardt/Olwen/Klein. I guess this is proof I really need a good green mage.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on June 09, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
My strategy so far has been using my second best team, get as far as possible, use two relatively flexible but weak teams to pick up where the other team failed and maybe use my best team unharmed against the (already weakened by loosing to it) boss and win?
I can use my strongest team alone to get to the boss, but they are too weak at that point to win, and the others have literally no chance, even if I weaken them by loosing three times.

My team is Julia, Nowi, Takumi, Eldigan
I could put a dancer in there, maybe? Takumi is really only using Reposition and kills off weakened stuff anyways. Any recommendations?

Speaking of recommendations, it it worth it to 5* Xander if I already have Eldigan? Is he better at anything, aside from being able to distant-counter?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 09, 2017, 07:23:30 PM
Speaking of recommendations, it it worth it to 5* Xander if I already have Eldigan? Is he better at anything, aside from being able to distant-counter?

Xander is basically a +DEF/-RES Eldigan, yeah.  They're both great, but I do get a lot of specific use out of Xander's baked-in Distant Counter since I run across many green ranged units as opposed to melee.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 09, 2017, 10:45:13 PM
Xander/Camus/Priscilla/Julia have been able to clear all seven waves on their own several times. Even though Xander and Camus both use Fury and are constantly leaking HP, Julia's Breath of Life and Priscilla's Rehabilitate do wonders for keeping them topped off.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 09, 2017, 10:53:33 PM
Really wishing I had a second dancer right now. I feel like I can't include Olivia on my first team in case I lose to a bad matchup (the game loves to throw lance users with enormous resist against my team of magic users and sword wielders en masse) because I need her for the last floor, but that means I'm pretty much planning on losing a team to get to that point. I have taken down the last floor without a dancer a couple of times, but it's certainly not easy or likely.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 12, 2017, 03:08:12 PM
This grind is really burning me out. <_<

I know some people are already finished and it's kinda amazing they have the patience for it.  I'm probably going to stop as soon as I get quickened pulse.

Edit: Also, new banner info should be coming soon.  This is the first time in a while where we haven't at least had an idea of what new units would appear.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 12, 2017, 03:22:56 PM
Yeah, I'm at ~15k right now and I'm aiming for Quickened Pulse. This event is so long that I'm not worried at all about finishing though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 12, 2017, 05:06:06 PM
Yeah, I think IS really went overboard in the amount of grind involved. It doesn't help that I just dislike grind events in general. I'm at 35k so getting quickened pulse will be relatively easy, but working in the time to actually play the gauntlet throughout the day can be a hassle.

For future runs I'd like to maybe see the duration of the event cut in half so it isn't as much of a slog, since the limited variety of the maps really started to set in at about the 15k-20k mark - it's not like my team or the dungeons are changing so strategies have pretty much set in by then. That said, I'm not sure what kind of events they could use to fill the gap - if they add dungeons with % chance drop for rare item or seal then I don't know if I'll find that better or worse.

I guess in the end there's only so much you can do aside from release more maps or make you repeat them.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on June 12, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
With how I focused on only a few units, the difficulty has made the event unbearable to me. I just nabbed 4* Mars and moved on.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 12, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
So what do we think the next banner is? Anybody got any wild guesses? Personally I'd love Fates offspring, maybe Midori, Forrest, Percy and Kanna or something. I don't think that's super likely, and as much as I don't love Radiant Dawn we should probably get more characters from that setting before anything else because they're very popular and we don't have many yet.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 12, 2017, 06:32:22 PM
The most popular character in Fire Emblem who isn't in the game yet is definitely Micaiah.  If they do a Radiant Dawn banner, the most likely units are Micaiah and Sothe as the chase units, along with a couple others like maybe Laura, Nolan, Edward, or Leonardo.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 12, 2017, 06:59:56 PM
As someone who has 1/10 interest in any of those characters, I'd sign off on that.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 12, 2017, 08:32:55 PM
I'm at about 24500 points with more than half of the event remaining, so I'm on pace to get that seal. It's kinda awful, though, and I hate reaching the final stage and seeing ~Effie~. Hmm.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 12, 2017, 10:51:04 PM
At least Effie can't retaliate at range like Hector

I hope Micaiah comes soon, they teased her by putting Sanaki on the sibling banner but crickets since then. Thani will save us from the cav and armor meta.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 13, 2017, 12:32:18 PM
Huh.  Or we get a bunch of Shadow Dragon characters.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on June 13, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
I am kinda fine with getting characters I've never heard off. I'd love more less important characters at maybe lesser rarity, too. Or maybe a new set of daily encounters, like we had since the beginning.

Also, getting ~3500 points per day in the event and it's getting quite boring now that I know who to use and how... probably will need to spend some energy potions on a day I have more time if I wanna get that seal however...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 13, 2017, 04:49:41 PM
Does anyone know if having Spur Def 3 and Spur Def 1 on the same character via a seal stacks? It should, right?

Edit: Yeah, for the record, Breath of Life 3 and Breath of Life 1 do stack, healing 10 HP combined.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 14, 2017, 05:26:21 PM
So for what it's worth, it seems like running the second-hardest stage in the tempest challenge has really been saving my sanity and it's not that much less profitable. I had been scoring somewhere in the 500-600 range per run on the hardest difficulty, with scores significantly above 500 being fairly rare. This morning I decided to run the second hardest one instead and consistently scored just under 500 because I was able to get the 1.5x modifier for speed, which I never even get close to on the harder one. It's much faster to run so it doesn't feel like a slog.

My current strategy involves using two teams, basically just because I don't have a bonus unit that fits into good teams that are capable of beating Veronica (she literally one-shots every single member of the team I use to clear stages). I just surrender as soon as I get to the last floor and use my real, bonus-unit-less team to beat it. I decided I couldn't get away with Robin dead weighting on my good team because I kept getting enemy unit configurations that involved stacking units with just the wrong weapon colors and incredibly high Resist in such a way that my good-but-imbalanced team couldn't even scratch them. But because the second hardest difficulty has less floor, which means less different enemy rolls for the game to find something that I can't handle, not to mention that stats don't get as high, I might be able to get away with just one team for the entire dungeon to push my score even higher.

Edit: Okay seems like a single team that clears everything with only 1-2 losses is possible, but the extra headache isn't worth the meager bonus points.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on June 14, 2017, 07:50:19 PM
I really haven't touched the tempest trials much at all. I'm considering dropping this game right now to make time for that fate mobile game that's coming out later that's apparently really good. It's a shame since I want to like this game but there's really really nothing much to do. Mnhmnnmknnmymm
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Hikarin on June 15, 2017, 03:23:26 AM
that fate mobile game that's coming out later

k wat
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 15, 2017, 05:08:02 AM
The English release of Fate/Grand Order, presumably. 1% rates tho.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 15, 2017, 06:02:30 AM
pft

(https://imgur.com/3vfBV6p.png)

if I can't kill Effie in one round using Julia and Lancebreaker
use horse emblem to kill Effie in one round in one blow
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 15, 2017, 06:28:00 AM
Got quickened pulse. My Minerva now has 1 charge Bonfire. Tremble in fear.

Edit:

(https://puu.sh/wkArI/ac3cfc1d6b.jpg)

I'd like to thank Reinhardt and Ninian for trivializing something like 75% of unit matchups (Reinhardt now has 5.2k SP, a lot of that thanks to Tempest), Reciprocal Aid Lucina for letting me get to the last map with near-full health semi-consistently, and Minerva for healer, mage, and maps-with-cliffs duty.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on June 16, 2017, 03:47:24 AM
I just got a Trial with WoM Hector, Faye, and Frederick. That was pretty annoying.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 16, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
Infernal difficulty Legion GHB with reinforcements, oh boy. I've gotten down to the 4th legion spawn and last blue cav, but at that point positioning screws me over. I'll keep hammering at it and see if it's possible without some skill/unit switchups.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 16, 2017, 03:58:47 PM
Yeah, I want to wrap up the Tempest stuff before I tackle that (although I've got my 5* Marth up to level 40 to serve as my bonus unit now, so hopefully it'll go a little smoother) but I imagine I'll be sinking at least a few stamina potions into the Infernal hero challenge.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 16, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
https://youtu.be/qNsFWHzofpQ (https://youtu.be/qNsFWHzofpQ)

Oof. That's brutal.
I guess with enough permutations even a buff focused team can take this down.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 17, 2017, 01:44:39 AM
Nice. I'm trying to make a horse team from scratch with Xander/Camus/Reinhardt/Cecilia (gronnraven since I have never pulled a Nino), do you have any ideas about ideal hone/fortify placement?

(https://puu.sh/wmdxX/512cd9b592.jpg)
Managed to clear infernal with my team. From what I've seen of other people's compositions, people are using dancers, cav/flier teams, axebreaker, blade tomes, or other strong ranged carries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLq5__SbDV8
Found a video of a guy beating Legion with 3 4*'s and Klein, all without skill inheritance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LaO9L-kQXw
And this guy kills everything in 2 turns. The team itself is much stronger though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 17, 2017, 02:01:23 AM
Yeah, I'm curious to see if I can manage. I don't have anything incredibly high-end (no Reinhardt) except arguably BunCam. She might be able to drop it though, who knows.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 17, 2017, 03:03:53 AM
A few tries on hard the new GHB map and almost botched it up on my 4th try by risking my Reinhardt who had blazing thunder ready against one Legion while Ryoma took down most of the others along with Minerva holy shit I have never in my life have I thought I was playing a game of Russian roulette with RNG on this game. I'm glad I got through it in one piece also thank god for Priscilla she took down most of the blue mages along with Reinhardt.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 17, 2017, 05:43:09 AM
Nice. I'm trying to make a horse team from scratch with Xander/Camus/Reinhardt/Cecilia (gronnraven since I have never pulled a Nino), do you have any ideas about ideal hone/fortify placement?


I personally keep fortify on Xander and Hone on both Priscilla and Cecilia - this enables Xander, Camus, and Cecilia to get Hone benefits while Camus and Cecilia get Fortify - boosting Camus' bulk to near Xander's level while powering Cecilia's Gronblade.

If you have the Gunter and Jagen to spare, I'd give Xander Fortify, Hone to both Cecilia and Reinhart, and let Camus keep his Goad. Maybe.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 17, 2017, 03:22:04 PM
(https://imgur.com/6rqF0c2.png)

That went surprisingly well. I guess the biggest whales have evacuated the tier already.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 18, 2017, 06:01:47 AM
Fuuuuck I've gotten so close to beating Legion on Infernal so many times... It's that archer at the top of the screen who keeps getting me. I've been using Celica/Olivia/Anna/4* Rys and it sort of works, but things are spread apart just too far and everything is just a hair too inflated in stats and abilities. I feel like there has to be a way though, and I'm a few days from raising Rys to 5* (I use him A LOT in PVE stuff) which very well may be enough to push me over the edge.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 19, 2017, 06:12:19 AM
-Alright, I finally figured out how to take care of Legion on Infernal. Just two more enemies to go...

-The blue cavalier has Lunge, instant loss

WOW. Okay, so if the archer attacks you, you lose. If the blue cavalier attacks you, it sets up the archer to attack you as well. They're both too far away to actually reach before they reach you. Huh... Well, I feel like I'm getting close. Not sure I can handle that, but maybe.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 19, 2017, 07:54:57 AM
If you've gotten that far you'll likely figure it out with a few more iterations.

Been looking at cheese videos and some people are avoiding dealing with the blue cav by defeating 4 Legions at once so the later reinforcements don't spawn (like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LgbvTV07Y or the one by the guy with 4 Sakuras). Requires weird AI manipulation though and everyone on your team will have to be able to inflict damage for the final round.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 20, 2017, 05:44:29 AM
Yeah I definitely haven't been going out of my way trying to do weird AI manipulations, and as of right now not everyone on my team can deal damage.

Got a Reinhardt off of a random pull earlier, so now I can be a cool kid too. He's just a 4*, but he's almost certainly going to be the next thing I upgrade.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: チソウ タイゼン on June 20, 2017, 10:31:43 AM
ooo, i feel like there should be an index of friend codes in the first post or something.

anyway, i literally only ever open this game when the orbs flow freely lmao
I'm kind of bitter about the advent of the Tempest Trials now because it feels vaguely like I have a bar to reach that I can't because I didn't put in half of the initial grind?
lmfao i can't even beat any normal tempests

anyway my selection looks vaguely like this (https://puu.sh/wphN6/c3ada528ba.png) and i don't know what i'm doing
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 20, 2017, 01:40:28 PM
That's the thing, pretty much everybody has garbage units overall unless they drop a lot of money.

There's a reason that I have 3 units on my main team that you can get without summoning (though the weapons, rip Nino).
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 20, 2017, 05:24:48 PM
I definitely recommend pretty much everyone make the effort to do their three PVP matches a day, especially now that tiers are how they are. They're arguably the main draw of the game, but also even if you don't do great you'll rack up feathers that you can use to bulk out your main team. Won't get you to the team of +10 chase units that all whales use all the time, but definitely enough to do reasonably well. My current team has zero + on it and I feel like that's holding me back seriously only occasionally.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on June 20, 2017, 07:04:07 PM
Yay, pulled Athena after 59 orbs in that banner. This is like the 3rd time that i pulled exactly who I wanted, and its always on those "old characters i didn't hear off before"-banners, which should be incredibly unlikely. Julia, Clair, Athena.

Also finally decided to 5 star Olivia, because she pulled her weight quite a bit in the tempest. Was about to hit 100k feathers, anyways, so its about time I find some use for them. spending 2000s on 4-staring guys never really put a dent in the total, which surprised me, after I felt incredibly feather starved in the beginnings of the game.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 21, 2017, 08:12:55 PM
Finally got Quickened Pulse.  I hope the next event is a little less grindy.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 22, 2017, 06:47:39 AM
Alright, got Quickened Pulse 14 minutes before the event ended. Oof.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on June 22, 2017, 07:07:02 AM
Anyone know where I can find the apk. My bike hit a pothole and my phone flew out, cracking so badly I can't use the screen anymore. It's not showing up on bluestacks for some reason.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on June 23, 2017, 09:39:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/1yl7TRZ.jpg)

Ugh why
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 23, 2017, 05:34:10 PM
Anyone know where I can find the apk. My bike hit a pothole and my phone flew out, cracking so badly I can't use the screen anymore. It's not showing up on bluestacks for some reason.

APKpure or Qooapp (former is better I think)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 24, 2017, 04:51:56 AM
Has anyone used Obstruct to much success? On paper it's very powerful, but in practice it seems to be relevant veeeery rarely. An Obstruct 1 emblem might be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 24, 2017, 06:46:49 PM
My guess is it would be decent in a setup that relies on a front line tank. The issue is that with so many setups relying on ranged or magic units, Obstruct won't do as much against those teams, I think.

I've seen arena teams who put pass 3 on their melee cavs and those can get annoying.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 24, 2017, 07:04:41 PM
Yeah, Pass is very niche even in normal Fire Emblem where movement values are much higher, but I guess it makes sense on calvary units.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 24, 2017, 11:07:22 PM
Doesn't get better than various Hectors I've seen in Tempest Trials that had Pass for some reason.

Aww yes what am I going to walk through as an armored unit?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 27, 2017, 06:45:26 AM
http://i.imgur.com/BbtrUdo.png

http://i.imgur.com/xVvJCsv.png

I don't understand anything anymore
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on June 27, 2017, 10:53:15 AM
One player in my friend list has a level 1 Camus that he's sending into the tournament right now and it keeps appearing as my partner, tanking the enemy levels to one level 1 and two low 30s. Sure is easy mode, if i have two 40s or really only one 40 even.

I also don't understand the pictures above, but I love them somehow?!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 27, 2017, 03:42:55 PM
So I see they've eschewed the "anime swimsuit party" aesthetic in favor of "sexy Neptune" and "sexy New England beach bum" in the summer banner. Good. Bizarre, but very good.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on June 27, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Tiki and Gaius look like they had their faces glued on.   >:|
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on June 28, 2017, 08:16:05 PM
Clarisse is dumb. (https://youtu.be/GGByhsgKiqI)

I might do something silly with her like give Firesweep Bow and Savage Blow. How much AoE damage could I cause, I wonder.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 28, 2017, 09:50:23 PM
Clarisse is dumb. (https://youtu.be/GGByhsgKiqI)

I might do something silly with her like give Firesweep Bow and Savage Blow. How much AoE damage could I cause, I wonder.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! OH GOD!!! XD

That's partially the same thing that happened to me with Clarisse except for I ended up sweeping the whole map with Vantage Ryoma with a little help from Reinhardt and Minerva while Priscilla was doing the healing it was glorious and I didn't have to use a dancer either although ouch the first try got me curbstomped.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 29, 2017, 09:44:02 PM
So during the voting gauntlet I keep getting matched up with Fae (the green dragon girl, I hope I picked the right spelling) and she just seems awful. She's like FCorrin but without the... good aspects.

Does anyone use her to much success? Do the ones I keep getting just have bad sets or weird stats or something? What's she theoretically good against?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 29, 2017, 10:12:36 PM
So during the voting gauntlet I keep getting matched up with Fae (the green dragon girl, I hope I picked the right spelling) and she just seems awful. She's like FCorrin but without the... good aspects.

Does anyone use her to much success? Do the ones I keep getting just have bad sets or weird stats or something? What's she theoretically good against?
I haven't but I kept getting paired up with this Xander who is almost built around the same skill set as my Ryoma, but except for he has Bonfire and Drawback and few other skills like Fury.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on June 29, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Theoretically she can probably draw out and tank those pesky Reinhardts, and she has good BST for scoring. Never used one though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on June 30, 2017, 04:21:25 AM
Fae is great if you put Lightning Breath+ on her and some other stuff.  Kills Reinhardts dead.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on June 30, 2017, 05:40:23 AM
Yeah, I can see how she would counter Reinhardt. Definitely valuable. I guess she's similar to Camilla in being a green unit that's primarily useful as a strong counterpick to protect your team from glaring weaknesses that it might otherwise have, but she has a lot of bad matchups.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on June 30, 2017, 01:12:45 PM
Yeah, I can see how she would counter Reinhardt. Definitely valuable. I guess she's similar to Camilla in being a green unit that's primarily useful as a strong counterpick to protect your team from glaring weaknesses that it might otherwise have, but she has a lot of bad matchups.
I've seen someone say how they built her as a blade-tome killer. The reason you don't see Fae more is that she's kinda middling otherwise. We're pretty much waiting for a better green dragon o'er here InsSys...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on June 30, 2017, 05:41:54 PM
I really hope my favorite dragon will be released anytime soon and I really hope she's green. Myrrh, that is.
Sadly, Sacred Stones seems to be quite forgotten so far.

I am kinda hoping she'll be a flying dragon unit, too.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on June 30, 2017, 06:31:46 PM
I really hope my favorite dragon will be released anytime soon and I really hope she's green. Myrrh, that is.
Sadly, Sacred Stones seems to be quite forgotten so far.

I am kinda hoping she'll be a flying dragon unit, too.
If anything she'll be a red unit.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on June 30, 2017, 08:04:14 PM
I really hope my favorite dragon will be released anytime soon and I really hope she's green. Myrrh, that is.
Sadly, Sacred Stones seems to be quite forgotten so far.

I am kinda hoping she'll be a flying dragon unit, too.
YES.

I was thinking what other dragon could fit. I don't care how they make her green, but pleeeease let's have some Myrrh going.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 03, 2017, 05:38:12 AM
Goddamn, the voting gauntlet ended up being super close. I don't even know who Priscilla is, but she put up quite a fight.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2017, 06:11:32 AM
You didn't play FE7?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on July 03, 2017, 07:28:43 AM
Looks like they already changed Tempest for the better. Not sure if I'm happy about it being back already, though. Who is the 5* star hero we are getting this time? I'm not recognizing that one.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on July 03, 2017, 05:41:33 PM
I haven't been playing as often due to other game overload, but I managed to snag a Watermelon Tiki.  That close defense skill of hers is amazing.

Who is the 5* star hero we are getting this time? I'm not recognizing that one.

Tobin, a character from Shadows of Valentia.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 03, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
You didn't play FE7?

I did, but I definitely don't remember her at all. It has been like 15 years or something since I played it, but I feel like I remember a lot of the other characters.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2017, 06:47:35 PM
Ah, well she wasn't really plot relevant or anything, I don't think she showed up in any convos outside her recruitment scenes and supports. Your standard troubadour and Raven's little sister.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 03, 2017, 07:06:16 PM
I haven't been playing as often due to other game overload, but I managed to snag a Watermelon Tiki.  That close defense skill of hers is amazing.

Tobin, a character from Shadows of Valentia.
Hmm... looks like he's going to be another archer or something... ugh need to get back into playing Heroes fully instead of logging on and off for the daily stuff.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 03, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
Infantry sword, based on the icon. Hope they give him Firesweep Sword+
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 03, 2017, 07:39:15 PM
Infantry sword, based on the icon. Hope they give him Firesweep Sword+
Aaaaaaw really? Okie dokie then....
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 05, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
New update out with 2 new game modes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 06, 2017, 05:52:57 PM
The new game modes are interesting. Definitely a lot of (admittedly remixed) content to work through. It's too bad there's only one relatively easy squad challenge starting out, but I imagine additional, more difficult ones are on the way.

Meanwhile I'm fishing for SFRobin in the summer banner  and just keep pulling 3* MRobins over and over. I've gotten four out of like twenty pulls. This banner is up basically forever though, so I've got plenty of time. To pull more 3* MRobins.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on July 06, 2017, 06:45:08 PM
The new game modes are interesting. Definitely a lot of (admittedly remixed) content to work through. It's too bad there's only one relatively easy squad challenge starting out, but I imagine additional, more difficult ones are on the way.

I honestly took one looks at 80% of the game modes listing lv.40 and died laughing.

You introduce 2 new game modes and neither of them are accessible to new players to keep them interested, just make your game look more daunting to get into.

I think they're just gonna push to their christmas set or however far they ordered art in advance and shut down at this rate.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 06, 2017, 06:55:03 PM
They keep pushing out harder and more higher level content, I doubt any of it is aimed at the newer players - more likely the people with trained squads with nothing else to do.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on July 06, 2017, 07:00:42 PM
They keep pushing out harder and more higher level content, I doubt any of it is aimed at the newer players - more likely the people with trained squads with nothing else to do.

Which is the problem I was clearly getting at, yes.

My point is that if you're aiming at retention only you're just going to subsist as long as you can, not grow. And right now that is their entire goal, which is, uh, bad.

Especially when tbh you literally screw that shit up on the easiest chance. They could easily just curve that shit like the actual story mode. There's no reason it -had- to be like this and they absolutely knew it.

It's bad, essentially, and it's  proving they really don't care about the game getting any better, so much as keeping who they can before they axe this shit.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on July 08, 2017, 03:24:30 AM
I didn't expect to get through Tempest Lunatic using a unit that ACTUALLY is on bonus, but...

(https://imgur.com/7a94kol.png)

B in speed RIP

The Faye build in question. (https://imgur.com/mnAG78m)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 08, 2017, 01:12:11 PM
The Faye build in question. (https://imgur.com/mnAG78m)
I love it. Good job
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 08, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
I didn't expect to get through Tempest Lunatic using a unit that ACTUALLY is on bonus, but...

(https://imgur.com/7a94kol.png)

B in speed RIP

The Faye build in question. (https://imgur.com/mnAG78m)

Goddamn that's goofballs. Is it competitive? Does it work in PVP?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: The Greatest Dog on July 08, 2017, 05:29:14 PM
I'm uncertain! I feel as though the build might be better on a unit that actually has a speed stat. -hm-



I'd rather have kept my 5* Faye than give that bow to someone else, though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on July 11, 2017, 12:41:13 PM
I'm uncertain! I feel as though the build might be better on a unit that actually has a speed stat. -hm-



I'd rather have kept my 5* Faye than give that bow to someone else, though.

I feel the same way. I gave her Glacies and Breath of Life 1, so she can still kill things here and there.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 12, 2017, 10:23:14 AM
New Chapter and two new gachas coming soon:

Alm's side: Matilda, Delthea (Blue), Gray (Red), and Clive? (From what I saw on the story map trailer?)

Celica side: Saber, Sonya (Green), and Leon (Woo!).
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on July 12, 2017, 01:05:54 PM
Two banners with 3 new units each.  Bleh.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 12, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
Two banners with 3 new units each.  Bleh.
Ouch... I'm only gonna go for Delthea, Sonya, and Leon. Please no shitty drop rate....

Edit: And foreshadowing of a Clive GHB if you saw him on the new Chapter trailer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 14, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
(https://imgur.com/WcKcTu4.png)

Yes yes yes finally finally finally.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 14, 2017, 02:54:16 PM
(https://imgur.com/WcKcTu4.png)

Yes yes yes finally finally finally.
Is she a good one or
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 14, 2017, 03:05:32 PM
Yeah, there are three dancers in the game right now, dancers are extremely useful, and she's probably the best one.

I also pulled a 5* Fae recently that I'm less excited about, but still not bad by any means.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 14, 2017, 04:29:20 PM
Yeah, there are three dancers in the game right now, dancers are extremely useful, and she's probably the best one.

SHE IS THE BEST ONE YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN HOLD THEIR OWN AND DANCE SHE'S THE GO TO!

And grats... here's hoping next week I can get any of my favs out of gacha unless I want to do some rolls right now which I'll probably hold off on.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 14, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Is double dancers something? I feel like double dancers might be something.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Koog on July 14, 2017, 04:54:10 PM
So haven't come here in a while uni hell but I have still been playing this game a lot... and I have decided to show my bad 5 stars
(http://i.imgur.com/PbadOTn.png)
I recently pulled two SFredericks in a row along with many bad colorless

Colorless is really hell
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 15, 2017, 03:38:04 PM
Colorless is really hell
That is one of my many pet peeves when it comes to gacha in this game when it's gray units bunched into one... oh boy you bet that you're gonna pull dupes, shitty ones at that.

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Edit: IT'S TIME TO GAMBLE errr... you know because I'm bored... 253 orbs let's do this! (I'm not showing off I just use it for seeing how lucky I can get)

(Alm side gacha first for Delthea)

Roll 1#:  4 blues and 1 Green????

Result: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS VOODOO A 5* ALREADY and it's Olwen AND I DIDN'T EVEN TRY!?!???, DELTHEA ALREADY!?! (Bruh 5*), dupe 4* Robin, dupe 3* Subaki, and dupe 4* Boey.

Comment: TWO FUCKING 5*s and BOTH BEING BLUE MAGES also my Reinhardt is screaming eternally now that he's reunited with his sister yay, and I'm screaming happily because I got best mage with attitude!
=================
(Switching to Celica gacha for Leon and Sonya)

Roll 2#:  2 Greens and 3 Blues.

Result: dupe 3* Arthur, dupe 4* Camilla, dupe 3* Robin, dupe 3* Sully, and dupe 3* Odin/Owen.

Comment: Knew that last roll set was too good to be true. =\
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Roll 3#:  2 Grays and 3 Reds.

Result: dupe 3* Lon'qu (Free vantage), dupe 4* Stahl, dupe 4* Erika (Might keep for extra pivot), dupe 3* Niles (STAHP!), and dupe 3* Gaius

Comment: Something tells me this is going to be my bane.
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Roll 4#:  4 Reds and 1 Blue.

Result: dupe 3* Olivia, dupe 3* Stahl, dupe 5* Ogma (OH SHIT NOOOOOOO!!!!), dupe 3* Adult Tiki, and dupe 3* Donnel.

Comment: I wish dupe 5* didn't resist the roll rate.
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Roll 5#:  2 Grays, 1 blue, 1 red, and 1 green

Result: dupe 4* Abel, dupe 4* Male Corrin, dupe 3* Saizo, dupe 4* Cecilia, and dupe 3* Wrys.

Comment: EEEEEEEEEEEEH!?!
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Roll 6#: 2 reds, 1 blue, 1 gray, and 1 green.

Result: dupe 3* Hinata, dupe 4* Mae, dupe 4* Nino, dupe 3* Adult Tiki, and dupe 3* Felicia.

Comment: Lol... really???
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Roll 7#: 2 reds, 2 grays, and 1 blue.

Result: dupe 3* Virion, dupe 4* Donnel, dupe 4* Raigh, dupe 3* Stahl, and dupe 3* Lissa.

Comment: Ok, RNG you can stop trying to make me pull the wrong 5* unit now...
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Roll 8#: 2 Reds, 2 greens, and 1 blue.

Result: dupe 4* Beruka, WHAT THE FUCK DUPE 5* REINHARDT TIME TO REPLACE MY 4* REINHARDT BECAUSE FUCK LOGIC APPARENTLY!?!, dupe 4* Chrom, dupe 3* Draug, 5* Sonya (To cleanse my salty heart.)

Comment: I may have not gotten Leon yet, but thank you based Sonya for cleansing my salt partially.

 (Managed to quick level up the dupe 5* Reinhardt to the same level my other Reinhardt was and gave Camus my old Reinhardt's vantage due to the 5* one had better stats. Although that 12 SPD though.  :ohdear: )
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Roll 9#: 3 blues, 1 green, and 1 red.

Result: dupe 3* Florina, dupe 3* Shanna, dupe 3* Gwendolyn, dupe 3* Beruka, and dupe 3* Sophia.

Comment: 3 stars in a row!
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Roll 10#: 3 blues and 2 reds.

Results: dupe 4* Abel, dupe 3* Oboro, dupe 3* Sophia, dupe 3* Oboro, and dupe 3* Henry.

Comment: Wow what a cruel day to not getting shit.
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Roll 11#: 1 Gray, 1 Green, 2 Blues, and 1 Red.

Result: dupe 4* Laslow/Indigo, dupe 4* Odin/Owen, dupe 4* Effie, dupe 3* Cherche, and dupe 3* Virion.

Comment: REALLY??? YA RLY!?!
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(Last Roll set!)

Roll 12#: 3 Grays, 1 Green, and 1 Blue. (Pls!)

Result: YEEEEEEEEEEES LEON CAME TO ME 5* <3, 5* Julia: Hi! Me: -falls dead-, dupe 3* Robin, dupe Gaius, and dupe 3* Felicia.

Comment: Ok I admit I WAS NOT expecting to get a second 5* at all! Like seriously I never expected Julia to come after Leon.

Overall commentary: Wow! Ok I guess this time made up for the bride gacha botch up that happened last time to be honest this is great for me, I might come back for Matlida though since I want that Riderbane. (If you're wondering why I'm not interested in the summer gacha much because there's nothing good... to be honest.)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 15, 2017, 09:27:48 PM
Yeah, there are three dancers in the game right now, dancers are extremely useful, and she's probably the best one.
No no I was asking if she had a good nature... Not that it'd stop you from using her anyway I guess.

Damn, grats. Welcome to the Julia club!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 15, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
No no I was asking if she had a good nature... Not that it'd stop you from using her anyway I guess.

Oh gotcha gotcha. Thought that was an odd question.

-ATK/+RES, which I guess is pretty ideal? She shouldn't be attacking often ideally and she tends to just auto-win or auto-lose fights, so I guess ATK isn't that relevant for her and RES arguably is. Would've preferred an HP or SPD boost, but I'll take it.

Decided to give her virtually the same set as my Olivia with Fury 3/Wings Of Mercy 2/Hone Atk 3/Moonbow. Olivia has Hone Spd instead, so the plan is to try a double dancer Gronnblade team with BunCam, Olivia, Azura, and whatever starter unit gives bonus points at the time. No idea if that's a viable strategy, but I feel like it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AM
Damn, grats. Welcome to the Julia club!
Thank you! I'm training her, Leon, Effie, and Karl. So, I can have a good amount of variety in my team.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 16, 2017, 01:32:07 PM
(https://imgur.com/uwD0j3I.png)

There we go, got her! That was all I wanted from the beach collab, so now I can move on to something else.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 17, 2017, 01:06:51 AM
(https://puu.sh/wLrNL/e6ae3f1d47.png)
I now have 4 5* blue mages, but no 5* red or green mages.
Also, 9 out of my 23 5* units are either free or feathered...which is almost 40%. I wonder how that measures up against the average.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 17, 2017, 01:32:36 AM
(https://imgur.com/ZJ6n5cL.png)

I have 24 current 5* units and of those eight are either free or feathered. However, I've fed three as dupes (a Camilla and two Bride Cordelias) and one for a skill (a feathered Nino) so counting those I had 28 total 5* characters, nine of which were free or feathered and 19 of which were pulled at 5*.

So yeah, seems about par for the course for non-IAP.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 17, 2017, 04:46:18 AM
Oh hey, you also upgraded the 3 starters, cool.
I did forget about my Ursula who I promoted and fed to Reinhardt, so there's that.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 17, 2017, 04:48:47 AM
I sure did! Best investment an non-IAP player can make frankly. And two of the three of them are even pretty legit decent.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on July 17, 2017, 04:55:04 AM
"Eh whatever I'll drop 20 orbs to see if I can get Delthea or Matilda"

>get celica and ninian instead

I mean, okay.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 17, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
So turns out when you have infinity stamina potions you can just let the Tempest Trial play itself while you're at work and after the buff to the lower tiers it's still pretty profitable. Like 1200 points per stamina potion is reasonable.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 18, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
WOOOOOHOOOO!!!! BERKUT GRAND HERO BATTLE IS HERE!!!! 18 ~ 25 of this month.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 18, 2017, 01:03:52 PM
Yeah, this was a tricky one. Definitely don't want to even attempt the hardest difficulty.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 18, 2017, 01:18:16 PM
Yeah, this was a tricky one. Definitely don't want to even attempt the hardest difficulty.
Yeah I literally kept dying due to the mages sniping at Minerva or Reinhardt until I had to figure out the AI, Berkut was a pushover thanks to Ryoma and Minerva. Literally, though he seems to be a wall just by looking at his +res abilities and def stats.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 18, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
Yikes, Reinhardt does 0 damage to and gets ORKO'd by the red mage cav.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 18, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
Yeah I think we're seeing explicit anti-Reinhardt enemies now to prevent him from continuing to effortlessly roll all PVE content. But I still cleared this with Reinhardt...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 18, 2017, 10:15:48 PM
Yeah I think we're seeing explicit anti-Reinhardt enemies now to prevent him from continuing to effortlessly roll all PVE content. But I still cleared this with Reinhardt...
Same I had just had to make sure he didn't get hurt by the red mage... oh and Minerva gets whacked by that mage too...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 18, 2017, 11:19:45 PM
Camilla, incidentally, does not!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Jq1790 on July 19, 2017, 01:45:39 AM
Hoo boy...

How bad an idea is it to try jumping back into this after having quit like a week, week and a half into the game?  >_>  (I started at launch)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 19, 2017, 02:06:26 AM
Honestly no idea. There have been a lot of story missions added and feathers are significantly easier to get now, so you should be able to get a lot of stones coast a team or two into max level, but I don't know how the lower tiers of the PVP will treat you since I haven't played in them since the beginning. I'd say it's worth a shot. Cashing out the normal and hard quests should take a decent while, and you'll definitely be able to handle most of the lunatic ones before too long.

The big things you're missing out on are a big collection of random filler units to scrap for skill inherit and a lot of event prize characters, some of which are very meta. Assuming that the lower levels of PVP aren't that competitive you should be able to build yourself up. It might take you quite a while to get to the very hardest content, but the interim stuff is more robust than it was.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on July 19, 2017, 02:14:04 AM
Hoo boy...

How bad an idea is it to try jumping back into this after having quit like a week, week and a half into the game?  >_>  (I started at launch)

As someone in that sameish situation: really, really fucking bad.

Most new content is way too balanced towards people with strong SI'd cards, and you'll probably want to actually grind out a few teams at this point just for variety.

It's far from impossible, but it's a lot of work and a lot of unit maintenance before real progression. It's my biggest gripe with the current state post 'actual content' patches.


and then there's the looming threat of Nintendo going Square Enix post christmas, but that's another story.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 19, 2017, 03:05:35 AM
I think the biggest barrier to progression is amount of time played vs how early you picked up the game, so it's not like you're impossibly handicapped compared to people who started earlier. Progression in the game hasn't really changed since launch, they've just added some new maps and modes and had some event droppable characters come and go, but they'll rotate back later. Like Chaore said, most of the newer content is balanced towards people who have been building up units for a while, but they should be clearable on the easier difficulty levels regardless with a few exceptions. A lot of people have posted guides on how to complete certain modes with free units, although you'll still have to collect and level up those units.

I'm honestly not too worried about FEH going bust that soon. I give it at least a year like most mobage. I've played obscure Korean mobages that have lasted longer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on July 19, 2017, 03:38:36 AM
Like Chaore said, most of the newer content is balanced towards people who have been building up units for a while, but they should be clearable on the easier difficulty levels regardless with a few exceptions.

To be honest though: a lot of the time those easy modes don't tend to matter, bar GHB (Which are a huge pain anyway when new).

The extra feathers for income is probably nice for beginners, but can only do so much with the limited stock.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 19, 2017, 03:48:30 AM
Oh right, I remember how much trouble the Narcian GHB gave me, and that was for the 2* version. I mean the difficult modes don't really matter too much in terms of game progression, barring stuff like wanting extra GHB unit copies or clearing the time-limited special maps/quests which give orbs - a small amount, but it adds up over time. There's Tempest, which I imagine is unbearable to grind with the lower difficulty point gain, but the rewards this time aren't that essential.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 19, 2017, 09:40:29 AM
Oh right, I remember how much trouble the Narcian GHB gave me, and that was for the 2* version. I mean the difficult modes don't really matter too much in terms of game progression, barring stuff like wanting extra GHB unit copies or clearing the time-limited special maps/quests which give orbs - a small amount, but it adds up over time. There's Tempest, which I imagine is unbearable to grind with the lower difficulty point gain, but the rewards this time aren't that essential.
Speak for yourself, those bonus orbs are gold. F2p btw

As someone who picked up the game last month after leaving for April, May, it's a lot of grinding, but if it's fun it's fun.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 19, 2017, 05:10:54 PM
I've got a ton of feathers burning a hole in my pocket, but I don't have a strong plan on what to do with them. I might make a Brave Bow+ for Bride Cordelia, but I don't have anything that can use it. I guess I could make a second Reinhardt or a Xander and be all meta, but that seems kind of boring. I could max out Effie and start an armor team, or maybe get a Life And Death 3 to go on one of my Camillas. Hmm..
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Jq1790 on July 19, 2017, 05:40:58 PM
So I did a pack on the summer banner and hit some sort of jackpot.

Scored summer Tiki/Robin(as well as a trio of 3*s, two of whom are dupes) but eh.  Gonna be nice for SP gain and I imagine paired with a healer they might be pretty cool for having overall stat boosts a lot of the time, however small.  I wonder how they'd pair with Fury if I can get that on them from somewhere...?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 19, 2017, 05:59:50 PM
I can't speak for Tiki, but if Robin has -HP (which mine does) then you can use Fury 3 and Deft Harpoon to drop down into Vantage (or Desperation) range after your first attack. So yeah, theoretically they pair really well with Fury. Possibly even better if you've got Breath Of Life on a buddy to keep them from wearing down.

Meanwhile their SP boosting skills are super handy. Those will be good to have around. "Some sort of jackpot" indeed.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 21, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
I pulled a Mathilda yesterday (been really lucky lately) and she's the only unit in the game with Cancel Affinity right now. I doubt she's an optimal user of it and I'm probably not going to feed it away since I only have one of her, but it's pretty interesting.

My loose understanding of it is that it blanks all attributes for the user, but if you're fighting something with a gem weapon or Triangle Affinity then they get a penalty instead of a bonus? Not sure if the penalty is universal or if it's only for characters who would normally get a bonus against you, but it's definitely an interesting (and ambiguously worded and confusing) mechanic.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Jq1790 on July 21, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
From what I'm reading on the wiki it seems that level 1 makes all weapons on both sides neutral affinity to each other, level 2 makes the enemy's advantage turn to neutral, and level 3 makes them turn to disadvantage if they have advantage.

Also based on the wiki's wording of things(which I don't know if it's the same as the ingame, never noted if it was the same for other skills), this effect even applies to things like gem weapons(since weapons are treated as skills in this game as well IIRC), Triangle Adept, etc.  (so people with advantage and Triangle Adept would get the increased penalty but not the bonus because Cancel Affinity overrides that)

It DOES have an unfortunate side effect of making you unable to have natural advantage anymore though if I'm understanding it correctly, but it removes your weakness to WTA problems.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: dark36 on July 21, 2017, 08:27:44 PM
from what i understand from reading in other forums it only works if your opponent has TA or a gem weapon. in Mathilda's case for example it would allow her to deal neutral damage against Titania since she uses the emerald axe but it would do nothing if she tried to fight against Hector.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 22, 2017, 03:04:12 AM
That doesn't seem to be how it's been working in my testing, but I also haven't bought the third tier yet. I'll report back once I've worked it out.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 23, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
(https://imgur.com/OTHevoQ.png)

Fuck iiiiiiit.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Jq1790 on July 23, 2017, 08:36:13 PM
Congrats, it's a comic book hero.

(His design has always kind of made me headtilt a bit when I look at the one on my box)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 24, 2017, 04:09:49 AM
Ugh, this is the first time I've run into this, but a full Arena sweep in Tier 19 is not even close to good enough to rank me up this week with the team I was using. Which admittedly isn't very optimized for scoring, but this has never been a problem before so I wasn't too worried about it. Have to rework the team and give it another shot tomorrow with some better-scoring units and see what happens I guess. I don't really own any armor units except the abysmally terrible Sheena, but maybe promoting an Effie should be my next project.

Congrats, it's a comic book hero.

(His design has always kind of made me headtilt a bit when I look at the one on my box)

Relevant (http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2640487)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 24, 2017, 05:11:11 AM
Tier 20 just feels like too much effort for a small upgrade in rewards. Probably involves merges, use of high BST units and expensive skills, etc.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 24, 2017, 09:03:45 AM
Tier 20 just feels like too much effort for a small upgrade in rewards. Probably involves merges, use of high BST units and expensive skills, etc.
It involves voluntarily resetting your streak every time the battle forecast matches you up with a team that doesn't give a high enough max score. I've seen a guy do it on YouTube.

At the end of the day you're buying dueling swords with orbs, which is about the whaliest thing conceivable.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 24, 2017, 06:36:50 PM
My luck has been crazy lately. In the last handful of days while idly doing blue pulls looking for Ninian or something I got Fae, Mathilda, Olwen, and just now Nowi. Nothing I necessarily wanted, but I'll certainly take it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 26, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
(https://imgur.com/NcuSTCa.png)

My first Infernal clear! Who knew Arthur would immediately come in handy?

I feel like this is the easiest Infernal so far by a large margin. Most or all of the difficulty is from added enemies rather than powered up enemies, and the map is laid out in such a way that splitting them into manageable groups is easy.

I had BunCam Reposition Arthur over onto the right side of the river, then had her wait just inside of the archer's reach to tank and ORKO it. From there the two blue units and Lloyd went after Arthur while the rest went for my main force. Arthur took out the blue units and kited Lloyd all the way down to the end if the peninsula, where Cam scooped him up and placed him out of reach just before Lloyd (who was the only remaining enemy by this point) reached him. At that point it was just a matter of having Sharena Quick Riposte Lloyd to death. EZ-ish.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 28, 2017, 12:30:08 AM
Grats! I noticed some of the skills were actually completely changed between infernal and lunatic for this rerun. Makes me wonder what they'll do for stuff like Infernal Xander/Camus.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 28, 2017, 03:30:31 AM
A bit late to mention but the FEHeroes channel is doing a broadcast on YouTube at 8:30 pm  PT today and it just started.

Edit: WOOHOO 4* RATE GONNA INCREASE YES NO SHITTY ROLLS!!!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 28, 2017, 03:48:55 AM
Yep, just finished. Pretty crazy but some important things:

Starting August 7(?) you'll get a free summon on every banner, and also the rates for 4* and 3* will be flipped. Yes, you're now more likely to get a 4* than a 3*.
Valter GHB
More summer swimsuits
5% Hero Fest banner coming...I think with Reinhardt
Arena Assault, oh boy
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on July 28, 2017, 03:50:08 AM
Pretty massive news dump.  Summer part 2, buncha free orbs, several new modes/maps, new tempest, new voting block, new GHB, free summons on every banner, another herofest, increased rates for 4* units...

Edit: Also, there's this.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgMuaN1f-bo (banner starts in 3 hours)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 28, 2017, 04:14:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnI6HW9cv8Y

Video of stream if anyone missed it

Edit: Hero fest banner units are Ninian, Ike, Genny, and Julia according to silhouette detectives.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 28, 2017, 07:06:21 AM
I just woke up, a little before 10:00 AM (when the day resets and the current new unit banner ends), thought I'd check the stream, found out the fuckers are doing a tempest trials with THESE banner units. Said fuck it, 8 minutes left? 80 orbs? Let's pull some after all. 40 orbs later...

(http://i.imgur.com/KfJ8RXc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8x2HNbB.jpg)

I'm counting my lucky stars......

+Def ain't half bad either, that puts her at 17 Defense instead of 13! No paper towels here.



EDIT:

Is that a Lillith plushie Xander's swinging around? Ohhhh mannn. That's cool.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 28, 2017, 07:51:54 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/kzfWHHA.jpg)

L I L I T H
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on July 28, 2017, 09:23:06 AM
Finally got Summer Robin, as my first non-Camilla 5* of the banner, at a 5% rate.
It was my fourth Camilla, second 5*. Dunno why i keep getting her.
Also got soooo many 3* only boards. Looking forward to those being 4* only.

And now starts another month of not getting Summer Units until the last second...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 28, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
I'm going to wait for the rate and free summon change before I pull.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 28, 2017, 12:28:50 PM
*gasp* New swimsuit characters? They're so cute, I want them all! But I'll settle for any given one.

Xander is starting to get into Lucina territory for number of different cards. Not that I mind too much.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on July 28, 2017, 12:31:16 PM
I'm going to wait for the rate and free summon change before I pull.
I couldn't wait. Besides... it seems like the existing banners will get a free pull as well the moment that mechanic rolls out, it'd be super bad of them not to make it work that way.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 28, 2017, 03:05:32 PM
I couldn't wait. Besides... it seems like the existing banners will get a free pull as well the moment that mechanic rolls out, it'd be super bad of them not to make it work that way.
Hmm... when you put it that way I might pull.... since this is the only one that caught my eye.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on July 28, 2017, 03:08:34 PM
The later Chain Challenges on lunatic are definitely the most interesting gameplay in Heroes so far in my opinion. They're extremely difficult without feeling like there are only a few specific solutions like some of the other content does. I lose on them a lot but I feel like I'm making enough progress to be worth continuing to chip away at them. Some of the ten-floor ones feel a bit too soul-crushing, but I'm sure they're possible.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 28, 2017, 05:15:59 PM
Ring-a-ding-ding! It's to hit up the RNG casino with 268 orbs for the Nohrian summer fest yaaaaaaaay let's see how lucky I get this time:
===================

First roll set: 3 reds and 2 greens!

Result: dupe 3* Hinata, dupe 4* Cain, 5* Titania (dafuq???), dupe 3* Hinata, and dupe 4* Fae.

Comment: Didn't see that 5* Titania coming!!!!! (Persona 5 reference).
===================

Second roll set: 2 reds, 1 blue, and 2 greens!

Result: dupe 3* Fir, 4* Soren,  dupe 3* Olivia, dupe 4* Boey, and dupe 3* Jagen.

Comment: Ok I'm slowly getting units I don't have KEYWORD SLOWLY.
==================

Third roll set: 2 blues, 1 red, 1 green, and 1 gray.

Result: dupe 4* Virion, dupe 3* Barst, dupe 4* Donnel, dupe 3* Stahl, and dupe 4* Gwendolyn.

Comment: Look a pattern!
=================

Fourth roll set: 3 greens, 1 blue, and 1 gray.

Result: dupe 4* Titania, dupe 4* Florina, dupe 4* Maria, dupe 4* Raven, and dupe 5* Merric.

Comment:OH THAT'S, JUST NOT FUNNY GAME!  :matsuriscowl:
=================

Fifth roll set: 2 greens, 1 gray, 1 red, and 1 blue.

Result: dupe 3* Cherche, dupe 3* Gordin, dupe 3* Hinata, dupe 3* Florina, and Summer Xander!

Comment:1 Summer Nohrian down 3 more to go let's hope it doesn't end up like the Bride Gacha....  :ohdear:
=================

Sixth roll set: 3 reds, 1 blue, 1 gray.

Result: dupe 3* Palla, dupe 4* Roy, dupe 3* Felicia, dupe 4* Chrom, dupe 3* Est.

Comment:It's a pattern again...
=================

Seventh roll set: 2 reds, 1 blue, 1 gray, and 1 green.

Result: dupe 3* Laslow/Indigo, dupe 4* Priscilla, dupe 3* Barte, dupe 3* Oboro, and dupe 3* Lon'qu.

Comment:Nope...
=================

Eighth roll set: 3 blues, 1 green, and 1 red.

Result: dupe 4* Subaki, dupe 3* Jagen, dupe 3* Oboro, dupe 3* Nino, and dupe 3* Olivia.

Comment: I smell a wrong 5* trap.
=================

Ninth roll set: 3 blues, 1 green, and 1 red. (AGAIN!)

Result: dupe 3* Robin, dupe 4* Odin/Owen, dupe 4* Shanna, dupe 4* Beruka, and dupe 3* Fir.

Comment:This is just funny...nope. Humor.exe has stopped working.
=================

Tenth roll set: 2 reds, 1 green, 1 blue, and 1 gray.

Result: dupe 4* Adult Tiki, dupe 3* Palla, dupe 4* Jeorge, dupe 4* Shanna, and dupe 4* Cecilia.

Comment: NO REALLY MY RATE IS HIGH???
=================

Eleventh roll set: 3 reds and 2 blues.

Result: dupe 3* Laslow/Indigo, dupe 3* Sophia, dupe 3* Robin, dupe 3* Robin (AGAIN), and dupe 4* Lslow/Indigo.

Comment: THIS IS GONNA TURN OUT LIKE THE BRIDE BANNER!!!!! OOOOOOOH GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :colonveeplusalpha:
=================

Twelfth roll set: 2 Reds. 1 blue, 1 green, and 1 gray.

Result: dupe 4* Jakob, dupe 4* Adult Tiki, dupe 4* Catria, dupe 3* Fir, and dupe 3* Gunter

Comment: WTF IS GOING OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!?!
=================
(FINAL! ROLL!)

Thirteenth roll set: 2 Grays, 2 Blues, and 1 Green.

Result: dupe 3* Saizo, dupe 3* Gordin, dupe 3* F. Corrin, FUCK YEAH! SUMMER CORRIN GET!!!!, and dupe 3* Barte.

Comment: WOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONE OF THE PEOPLE I REALLY WANTED.~

Overall comment: Wow... this rollfest was like a terrible luck fest I guess it's to make up for the last two gachas I did.... it's ok though at least I got summer Corrin.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on July 29, 2017, 01:29:17 AM
I think the first free summon per banner will only apply to banners released starting from the 7th - at least, that was my understanding from the stream. Not sure if the increased 4* rate will also be retroactively applied to the summer swimsuit banner then.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on July 29, 2017, 01:30:43 AM
I think the first free summon per banner will only apply to banners released starting from the 7th - at least, that was my understanding from the stream. Not sure if the increased 4* rate will also be retroactively applied to the summer swimsuit banner then.
It said all three banners... so I think it will apply to the Summer one...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 03, 2017, 03:08:12 AM
So I'm finally getting around to maxing out Camilla's retainers for the full theme team with her, them, and Corrin, and I decided to 5* Beruka first. Is it just me or is Beruka actually amazing? Her defense is incredible at 37, which makes her Killer Axe+ actually super good with Bonfire and Quick Riposte to bait and fuck up just about any physical unit. I gave her Iote's Shield and she can shrug off basically all archers ever and Threaten Attack to tank even harder.

She's slow, but she doesn't really give a shit about being doubled by all but the strongest physical attacks (in fact it's often beneficial to charge Bonfire faster) and Camilla matches up really well against almost all magic users so she's not very worried about magic if I play my cards right. I'm almost considering swapping Iote's Shield for Defense Plus and giving Camilla Fortify Flyers just to go full-on mega-wall, but that's probably overkill.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 03, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
I've seen Beruka wall and kill Ryoma on the counter. She would probably be even better in a meta where mages weren't so prevalent, but as you said Camilla can tank most mages.

I guess most people just favor player phase units or 2-range enemy phase units.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 03, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
I feel like everyone has a crutch skill, for a lot of people it seems to be Vantage, but for me that's definitely Quick Riposte. Like 50% of my units have Quick Riposte and I love pulling my tenth duplicate Tsubaki unlike presumably most people. I am definitely enemy phase-heavy.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 04, 2017, 12:32:49 PM
The "keep plinking away at the same color in an event banner until you get the one you want" strategy has been working great for me so far.

(https://imgur.com/1bdmU5D.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 04, 2017, 03:26:57 PM
These banners are evil. I want a Corrin. I want a Miverva. I want a Lilina. I want everything in hero fest. I will get, maybe, some of them.  :fail:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on August 04, 2017, 04:02:19 PM
These banners are evil. I want a Corrin. I want a Miverva. I want a Lilina. I want everything in hero fest. I will get, maybe, some of them.  :fail:
I got all of them really... I just hope they bring back Takumi I mean it's not fair at all... I gotten Ryoma from the last Hero Fest, but still... if they have Ninian I'll take her too.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 04, 2017, 05:29:42 PM
I got all of them really... I just hope they bring back Takumi I mean it's not fair at all... I gotten Ryoma from the last Hero Fest, but still... if they have Ninian I'll take her too.
Beg pardon, how many dollars have you sunk into this game? :V
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on August 04, 2017, 08:38:23 PM
Beg pardon, how many dollars have you sunk into this game? :V
I have fucking lost count.... close to $300 or more gacha-wise???

But, I don't have everyone yet including the Tempest Trail units. :derp:

No really I have lost count of how much I spent... I should of worded it correctly. (>;;.____.;;<)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 05, 2017, 05:28:11 PM
(https://imgur.com/05yjjTs.png)

My immediate next pull after getting Summer Corrin...

I luck.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 07, 2017, 06:35:41 AM
New update out has unlimited free refreshes for the training tower, very convenient.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 07, 2017, 07:18:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/T3LjewF.jpg)

I shit you not, this was my free summon.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 07, 2017, 08:13:51 AM
Aww, the free summon and rate changes don't apply retroactively to the older banners. Not that I can complain though:
(https://puu.sh/x3LQr/92b6951f85.jpg)
3 new fliers! This makes up for all the orbs I spent on the Pegasus Knight banner to not get Hinoka.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2017, 12:49:06 PM
There are some nice convenience features in this update for sure. Extra team slots, a slightly easier way to swap team member order around, and especially training tower refresh are very welcome.

Meanwhile I'm intrigued by this new arena mode. It's not completely clear from the description how it works or what the point of it is and it's not live yet, but it sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on August 07, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
Cecilia and Lilina map was a pain... they thought of everything....

Also do the free summons refresh once per day or no?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2017, 02:36:55 PM
I'm almost certain they don't. That would be insane. They're one-use-only.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on August 07, 2017, 03:10:57 PM
I'm almost certain they don't. That would be insane. They're one-use-only.
To be honest that would make the most sense to be honest...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 07, 2017, 06:31:20 PM
Meanwhile I'm intrigued by this new arena mode. It's not completely clear from the description how it works or what the point of it is and it's not live yet, but it sounds interesting.
Squad Assault but with Arena teams - 7 consecutive battles. No stamina or arena swords used or bonus units involved, you get Sacred Coins which are used for who knows what.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on August 07, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
Squad Assault but with Arena teams - 7 consecutive battles. No stamina or arena swords used or bonus units involved, you get Sacred Coins which are used for who knows what.
I think those coins are used to buy the items that are used for the new arena according to what the stream said.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 07, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
Hmm, perhaps. It does seem like you also get (random?) items as drops for successfully completing consecutive arena battles though, so who knows! My personal hope is for a 1* hero shop or something, useful for skill inheritance.

Also, this FEHkeeper site is pretty useful for tracking units. And now all of my 5 mages are blue!
(https://puu.sh/x4h6J/8ad9064fa3.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 08, 2017, 07:35:08 PM
Around a hundo orbs later...

(http://i.imgur.com/rCZ4G6q.jpg)

I'd say it's worth it! Her voice actress kicks ass.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 08, 2017, 08:56:35 PM
"Ooh, so hot!"

I've built a very sketchy defensively-oriented Flier Emblem around her. She seems fine, but she's definitely fun.

I wonder how Blarblade Summer Corrin compares to Gronnblade Easter Camilla as flying magic tentpoles go? Either way, using both on the same team doesn't seem completely implausible.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 08, 2017, 09:09:49 PM
"Ooh, so hot!"

I've built a very sketchy defensively-oriented Flier Emblem around her. She seems fine, but she's definitely fun.

I wonder how Blarblade Summer Corrin compares to Gronnblade Easter Camilla as flying magic tentpoles go? Either way, using both on the same team doesn't seem completely implausible.
You can never go wrong with more mages. Mooooore mages. I have a team with two -blade mages and a dancer-buffer and whoever wants to attack gets the buffs. It's really good.

As for the flier team, it kinda sucks that the flier C skills are so rare - two of them are exclusive to five star units (Minerva and Hinoka). You don't really have a choice but to build a defensive one without Palla!

EDIT: the aforementioned team:
(https://i.imgur.com/Dv3cyls.png)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 08, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
I put Rally Attack on Summer Corrin and that still puts BunCam squarely in the "one-shot most things" range, and the defensive boost is actually relevant since I have Quick Riposte and Iote's Shield on Cam, but I would obviously still run offensive flier boosts if I could. It does kind of bother me that Horsey Emblem inherits have been so freely available but fliers remain essentially inaccessible.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 09, 2017, 01:03:05 AM
I reckon they'll release more 4* flyers with class buffs in the future to make them more accessible, maybe even as GHB units. Although Valter isn't coming with any, shame.

Edit: Also, for anyone looking to farm items in Arena assault, if you enter your first match with a single lvl 40 unit and choose the easiest match, you'll fight a 1v1 and the other 6 beginner matches will also only have 1 enemy unit at lvl 40, which is enough to get you an easy 7-streak for 3 items.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 11, 2017, 07:39:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ekCVVje.jpg)

Looks like they fixed the speed rating. :(

EDIT:
(http://i.imgur.com/bmbDHQc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/19K3RV2.jpg)

Ooh, much better.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 11, 2017, 08:09:57 AM
Is it just me or does Hardy Bearing change everything? Am I reading it correctly that it just unilaterally turns off all Vantage for opponents?  What other moves are "attack priority" based? Desperation?

(Edit: If I am reading it correctly and it does change everything then it's not a bad change. Vantage is kinda dumb.)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 11, 2017, 10:25:26 AM
Is it just me or does Hardy Bearing change everything? Am I reading it correctly that it just unilaterally turns off all Vantage for opponents?  What other moves are "attack priority" based? Desperation?

(Edit: If I am reading it correctly and it does change everything then it's not a bad change. Vantage is kinda dumb.)
Yeah, I think it affects the Vantage, Desparation, Quick Riposte, Brash Assault group of skills. It means Vantage units aren't totally invincible anymore.

It's not a really good seal though. You can turn one of your unit into someone who can clean up opposing Vantage units but then the seal's useless for everything else. I mean, it's cool that they're nerfing Vantage a bit, but I'm not super excited for the seal itself.

(Add to that how you need to be at full health to reap the benefits. If you're not then it only affects your unit lul.)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 11, 2017, 12:05:47 PM
As far as I know it shouldn't effect Quick Riposte or Brash Assault? Not based on wording anyway. Do we have confirmation that it does? And if so then does it also work on weaponbreakers?

I think one seal slot is a lot less of a concession to deal with Vantage than the kinds of crazy drawback your get with any of the Sweep abilities. They work on other things obviously, and I have never owned any of them to try them myself, but at worst this is a solid budget option and at best it might be better. Pending team anyway. Definitely better on the sorts of defensive teams I prefer personally.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 11, 2017, 06:19:25 PM
From my understanding it only makes it so that the order of attacks isn't changed from "normal", so only Desperation and Vantage (and Lyn's weapon) should be affected. QR and Brash Assault make a followup but it isn't immediate.

Also, the 2 bonus scoring runs per day for Tempest Trials is great - 2 runs is almost 2k points, so 10 days of 2 runs easily gets you the 40k reward. The bonus unit stat buffs are pretty monstrous too.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 12, 2017, 08:41:17 PM
(https://imgur.com/zIowuyV.png)

Continuing the trend of getting the main thing I want out of each banner. Not sure if Fortify Dragons is a real team but I'm probably going to try it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 14, 2017, 07:08:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VqaNgtdcx8

So, this just happened.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on August 14, 2017, 07:35:22 AM
No Myrrh, yet. But at least they remembered Sacred Stones.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 14, 2017, 08:39:48 AM
Whoah, Armor March and Guidance are super powerful.

I feel like it's only a matter of time before there's a Calvary March and it's super available on powerful, common units...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on August 14, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
This pleases me well they are doing Sacred Stones stuff.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 14, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
Weeeeeeel fuck hero fest then.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on August 14, 2017, 01:30:15 PM
Amelia?

I'm gonna have to cancel my vacation from this game.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 14, 2017, 03:40:56 PM
(https://imgur.com/9HjSn5p.png)

Finally got around to completing the Camilla n' pals theme team. Selena seems... really bad honestly.

I could also use the special edition Camilla and/or Corrin, which probably makes for a better team overall. Can we get a Halloween Selena maybe? A flying one? With Hone Fliers..?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 14, 2017, 06:32:44 PM
I'm still so incredibly salty

DID YOU REALLY JUST ANNOUNCE THE SACRED STONES BANNER NOW YOU CANNOT DO THAT INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS

arg
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 15, 2017, 01:05:41 AM
I certainly hope Cavalry March never comes, we don't need 4 movement units with 2 range + dancer in arena. Guidance looks to be flyer only, which is interesting.

Also, I suspect the next banner will also be sacred stones but I'm not betting any orbs on that guess
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 15, 2017, 04:00:50 AM
The devs seem to have a raging boner for Horsey Emblem, but that's probably too much even for them. Hopefully.

Do you think there's a March ability other than Armor March that wouldn't be overpowered? Would Dragon March be too good? Calvary March and Flier March seem like they might be gratuitous, but dragon and maybe infantry might be okay.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 15, 2017, 10:43:33 AM
Infantry March too much. We have Infantry Pulse for now.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 15, 2017, 04:04:12 PM
Goddamn, Guidance is terrifying to play against. Teams with multiple Guidances are going to be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 15, 2017, 06:55:45 PM
Disgusting

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/329822066146672652/346891463617150976/1502775694575.png?width=263&height=467)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 15, 2017, 07:11:06 PM
Armors shouldn't be that fast. We've broken the natural order.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 15, 2017, 07:22:04 PM
How does she have 2400 SP and 0 merit? Did I miss a mechanic?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 15, 2017, 08:47:04 PM
I think that's a screenshot of one of the leaked units (aka hacked and autoleveled with shards before the official release), otherwise, normal shard leveling wouldn't give you enough SP to learn all skills and still have that much left over.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 17, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
25 units summoned on hero fest. No Ninian. No nothing. Just Lucius and Corn. :C
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on August 18, 2017, 06:53:04 AM


Did pretty well. Time to save for choose your legends. Also, anyone having problems accessing irc?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2017, 05:11:10 AM
The third fight of the newest paralogue chapter sure is a thing with Amelia and Innes warping around the map with Tana's guidance. I imagine we'll see some of that in action in Valter's GHB, and Zephiel's Infernal GHB will probably have Armor March shenanigans.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 19, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
I really want Guidance. It's as if every other member of your party had an activated Wings of Mercy. Brave Tana with three dancers sounds nice.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2017, 02:09:24 AM
The reinforcements on the Valter GHB were something else, especially with 40 res axe pegs running around. I ended up using up 40k feather on promoting Olivia and giving her Stahl's Ruby Sword+ - probably overkill, but it'll be useful in the future.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 22, 2017, 02:52:30 AM
I used Wedding Cordelia. Once she was in Escape Route range she and Wings Of Mercy Azura ping-ponged around the map sniping fliers. Still, pretty tricky. This was a fun one though. I think I like this format for Grand Hero Battles: enemies that are strong but not so strong that they take a dedicated counter to be beaten, but tons of them.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2017, 08:08:09 AM
Yeah, despite the strength of the enemies I found the GHB surprisingly enjoyable. I think part of it was the fact that the enemies were so aggressive and kept spawning regardless of whether you killed them or not. So instead of having to aggro everyone by playing defensively and letting your bait unit tank hits from 3 units at once, they came regardless, and you're forced to keep clearing enemies each turn or be overrun. If you don't have a good bow user or hyperoffensive mage you'll likely have a bad time though.

I thought a nice touch was that the reinforcements roughly matched the composition of the actual reinforcements in the original map. I wonder if we'll get Caellach soon.

Edit: I also really wanted to post this: https://gfycat.com/CorruptRadiantCopepod
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 23, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
I think Armorslayer stock just went way way up. Amelia+Effie is pretty miserable to play against. A strong mage, especially a red one, should still take care of them without too much trouble, but physical-centric teams can't touch them without an Armorslayer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on August 23, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/U3Foe8D.jpg)

#TempestTrials #FreeOrbs
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 27, 2017, 07:44:26 PM
Choose Your Legends stream at 11:30 pm EST tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYK1YmEAh18
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on August 28, 2017, 04:04:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZOo5greef0
Well, new players will love this because IS has just released 4 of the most broken units in the game, and you get to choose one of them for free.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on August 28, 2017, 04:26:44 AM
Infinite Horse Bow Lyn, here we come.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 28, 2017, 12:54:25 PM
(https://imgur.com/7ZI1hzi.PNG)

First try. I didn't already have him either.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on August 28, 2017, 06:01:23 PM
Lucina and Lyn look like a good choice for my playstyle, but who do I really want I'm leaning more towards Lyn...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on August 28, 2017, 06:16:34 PM
Good for Lyn for being that popular. Shame Camilla didn't place, but oh well. Probably would have been Dire Thunder Camilla and we don't prooobably want that running around.

Lucina seems fucking unreal. I don't like her that much as a character, but I'd have a hard time justifying not picking her for that crazy weapon.
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Post by: BT on August 29, 2017, 12:10:10 PM
As someone whose best archer is still Klein, there looks like a pretty clear option here.
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Post by: Conqueror on August 29, 2017, 03:46:25 PM
Saw the Brave Heroes video release with all the skills. Geez Lyn/Ike, why does IS let you have 5 skills instead of 4?

(https://puu.sh/xmrLg/0a4cf9b099.png)
Also, saw this transcription of the writing on the new Lucina's sword spear. Quite cryptic.

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Post by: commandercool on August 29, 2017, 04:52:31 PM
Doesn't seem that cryptic to me, all things considered. Seems like we just got an anime announcement!
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Post by: BT on August 29, 2017, 05:39:44 PM
Doesn't seem that cryptic to me, all things considered. Seems like we just got an anime announcement!
Say WHAT

Why wouldn't they announce it like normal human beings
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Post by: commandercool on August 29, 2017, 06:08:50 PM
Didn't the  MonMusu anime have a similarly insane announcement for its second season? I dunno, maybe some animator is breaking their NDA. Or just fucking with us.
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Post by: Conqueror on August 29, 2017, 06:26:35 PM
Well, it's Kozaki's art, so presumably he would be involved so it would be based on Awakening. And I guess FE is pretty big now. Still, if it is a real announcement, what a way to do it.
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Post by: BT on August 30, 2017, 07:15:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4HnuNON.jpg)

Fuuuucccccckkk yes got her
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Post by: commandercool on August 30, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
Oh daaaang yeah I've been going after her nonstop since her banner went up and no luck yet. Although I have pulled 5* Catria, Roderick, and Hector during that period so it's not like I got nothing. At any rate, congrats.

Edit: Yup, unless we get more orbs dumped in our laps for free today then it looks like I missed her. Saw like one blue orb in my last five pull attempts too. Oh well. I've still been luckier than I feel like I should be with summoning.
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Post by: BT on August 30, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
5* Catria
Same. The amount of pegasi I encountered on my searches, including Hero Fest, has been pretty big!  :fail:

Too bad on Tana, but let's hope for good luck on the brave heroes. I heard it's only two weeks long. :( So I've been going through some of the Chain Challenge maps I haven't managed to clear yet slowly.
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Post by: commandercool on August 30, 2017, 06:38:44 PM
Yeah, Catria's pretty underwhelming but Hector is great and Roderick is freaking nuts. So I still got some great stuff. Always disappointing to pull a 5* flier that isn't Hinoka though... She and Tana are my primary wants right now. Which isn't great since I own way more blue than any other color already...
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Post by: Conqueror on August 31, 2017, 05:12:34 AM
Grats on the Tana - I managed to pull one and she reaches 38 speed with her base kit and neutral speed which is just insane for so little investment. I also managed to get arena defenses for the first time in weeks, probably due to guidance shenanigans. Really fun to use anyway.

good luck on the brave heroes
I'm going to be insane and aim for all 4 CYL heroes with my saved up orbs.
But, Nephenee and the Black Knight just got teased through the little browser game IS put up, so that probably means new PoR characters and AAAAAAA

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Post by: 7TC7 on August 31, 2017, 09:29:08 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/3csrgbV.png)

I knew it would be a good idea to do the free summon before the free 5* brave hero summon. Gotta make sure I don't get Lyn for free, before picking Lyn for free.

Decided to pick the Blue and Green Orb as well, to check for super luck. Blue's just a dupe 4* Effie but... green was a 4* Boey, so ... Roy's my Boey!
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Post by: BT on August 31, 2017, 11:48:27 AM
Whoa, I got a Boi too, but mine is - Spd. Suffering
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2017, 01:02:57 PM
I picked Lucina for my free summon. It was a hard choice since I'm already weighted too heavily toward blue and I like Lyn a lot more, but Lucina synergizes too well with Camilla to turn down. Hopefully I can get a Lyn from the banner before the event is over.
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Post by: Conqueror on August 31, 2017, 06:25:39 PM
New live action commercial. Pretty hype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJMoj-1BAM
I'm reminded that a lot of FE protagonists are orphans. If Hector had beaten Roy in CYL we'd be 4 for 4 for this banner.

Also, I fucking did it!
(https://puu.sh/xofYe/652b5c91c3.png)
 Lyn was the free summon after I already got everyone else. Not pictured: a dry streak of about 100 orbs before the first Roy.
I'm probably going to get hit by a truck tomorrow.
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
So do we think Arena teams will be required to become 100% Brave Hero-centric from now on? Are they good enough that everyone must use one or more?

Once again Horsey Emblem get TWO powerful new tools but fliers, dragons, and armor get nothing, so will this push calvary even further into dominance? So much so that people start running countermeasures and the pendulum swings back maybe?

Ike does bonus damage to calvary, doesn't he? Will that be enough to make a difference? How does he match up against Reinhardt or Xander?
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Post by: Conqueror on August 31, 2017, 09:03:18 PM
They're all pretty good, though I think Lyn is the most meta changing just because she's a fast cav archer. But it'll take a while for the real nasty builds to come out.

Ike's B skill is ambiguously translated. It's actually that his nullification skill only works against cavalry and fliers - he doesn't deal effective damage against them. So it's pretty niche. Reinhardt can't kill Ike because of Urvan's effect, and Ike will activate Aether on the counter because his A skill is basically a defensive heavy blade. Dunno about Xander though, I think Ike will die to most reds.

Maybe the Black Knight will save armors. Fliers I imagine will get new tools sooner or later but dragons...hah. Maybe Dheginsea.
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2017, 09:13:41 PM
I'm no Path Of Radiance fan particularly, but given the Black Knight's reputation as the awsomest most epicest most unbeatablest guy ever I kind of want to see him be bullshit strong but at a high cost. I wonder if a character who takes up two team slots could work? A mechanic like that could be used for a lot of the big scary villains actually. Although balancing it might be tricky. Especially since dancers exist...
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Post by: BT on August 31, 2017, 11:16:03 PM
I'm no Path Of Radiance fan particularly, but given the Black Knight's reputation as the awsomest most epicest most unbeatablest guy ever I kind of want to see him be bullshit strong but at a high cost. I wonder if a character who takes up two team slots could work? A mechanic like that could be used for a lot of the big scary villains actually. Although balancing it might be tricky. Especially since dancers exist...
You know who's super ultra tough? Seth. Fucking Seth.  :wat:

I wish they released another Sacred Stones banner, with Myrrh. But I guess that ain't happening. The only dragon buff in existence is still Ninian's thing. How awful is that.

EDIT: conq I'm so jelly holy shit
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Post by: commandercool on September 01, 2017, 12:40:21 PM
Oh hey, apparently the "nobody gets arena defenses ever" thing was a bug. Well, that's nice to know.
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Post by: BT on September 02, 2017, 08:40:37 PM
Galeforce is fun. Here's some of the dumb things I'm doing with it:
https://gfycat.com/lastingquestionableemeraldtreeskink
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Post by: Conqueror on September 03, 2017, 09:56:28 PM
Wait, didn't I see this somewhere el-
*Looks at username*
Ohhh. Clever.
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Post by: commandercool on September 04, 2017, 02:24:38 AM
Oh daaang, it looks like Camilla might actually win this voting gauntlet! Which is silly because she didn't get a brave form, but that would still be neat. Can Ike finally end the streak of waifu wins though? Even if Cam beats Lyn the fight certainly isn't over.
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Post by: hyorinryu on September 04, 2017, 06:36:41 AM
Oh daaang, it looks like Camilla might actually win this voting gauntlet! Which is silly because she didn't get a brave form, but that would still be neat. Can Ike finally end the streak of waifu wins though? Even if Cam beats Lyn the fight certainly isn't over.

Cammy winning is causing a massive outpouring of salt. I'm going to admit, I thought Lynn had this.
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Post by: Conqueror on September 04, 2017, 07:02:10 AM
Well, in one sense she did have it due to a lot more popularity, but this is the first time the comeback mechanic has actually affected a major match. For the CYL gauntlet no less - I imagine people were hyped for a Ike vs Lyn final since that would have been a tossup, but now Ike is going to be massively more popular than Camilla.
I'll be amused if Camilla pulls the upset twice though. IIRC the reason why the multiplier mechanic was added in the first place was after Camilla completely bodied her opposition in the fliers gauntlet, with a bigger score than everyone else combined.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on September 04, 2017, 12:43:28 PM
Ok I will admit Camilla winning against Lyn caught me by surprise. I guess nobody saw it coming!!!
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Post by: commandercool on September 04, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
Camilla can't be defeated I hope! Except for that recent time when she was and didn't get a brave form.

Just about every flag I've spent so far has been during a boosted period, so I'm getting value off of her barely squeaking buy every time.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on September 04, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
Camilla can't be defeated I hope! Except for that recent time when she was and didn't get a brave form.

Just about every flag I've spent so far has been during a boosted period, so I'm getting value off of her barely squeaking buy every time.
Errr... looking at the score it seems Ike is dominating over Camilla by a mile.... it's scary...

Edit: Now it's tooth and nail... oh boy.
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Post by: commandercool on September 04, 2017, 04:24:01 PM
I haven't seen the spread get very large yet.

And don't underestimate the comeback mechanic, in traditional Nintendo fashion a la Splatoon it's ridiculously swingy. I spent 400 flags at an 8.7x multiplier yesterday.
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Post by: BT on September 04, 2017, 06:36:45 PM
I've been trying to get Hector for the past week and it's not even that I can't pull him. I can't make green orbs show up. It's bad.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on September 05, 2017, 02:01:34 AM
Ok the Fire Emblem "elitists" are starting to piss me off like seriously a lot of comments are butt hurt fans who really hated Lyn lost to Camilla.... to the point they're saying a shit ton of things that just rub me the wrong way to the point it makes me think they don't deserve to be fans at all, half of them are jumping on the Ike boat just to get payback like bruh chill the fuck out. (Sorry had to get that out of my system)

Anyway Imma try and support Camilla till the end sorry if it sounds like I'm blowing my top but I had to rant, anyway uuugh the Brave Heroes seem to be giving my Ryoma a run for his money.
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Post by: Conqueror on September 05, 2017, 02:23:23 AM
Games are serious business.
I expect the mechanics of the gauntlet to change the next time it's run, given a recent interview said the devs get a lot of ideas from player feedback and I'm sure some people are complaining there.
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Post by: commandercool on September 05, 2017, 02:40:23 AM
Honestly it seems like pretty much the entire gauntlet comes down to how the pendulum of comeback mechanics' swing lines up with the session's end time. Although the team with more people could probably mitigate that by getting ahead toward the end of the second day and just not playing for a while. If the weaker team doesn't get pushed far enough behind by the majority bumping up their score then they'll never get a chance to sneak in with a big score multiplier at the last second. That obviously isn't ideal, so even though I've benefited from this I hope the mechanic changes. Not sure to what, but something.

Fire Emblem elitists are the worst. The "oldest possible thing is best possible thing" mentality is rarely more prevalent than with Fire Emblem fanboys dumping on the more recent games. I'm certainly not trying to make the case that Fates or Awakening are criticism-proof or perfect, there's plenty to not like about them and preferring a different game over them is a totally valid opinion of course, but I've never been able to shake the feeling that the NES-only crowd are more interested in the hipster factor of "you probably haven't even heard of the Fire Emblem games I like" and "I liked it before it was cool" than they are in fairly evaluating the pros and cons of the different eras. And nobody gets mad on the internet like a hipster.  :wat:
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Post by: MewMewHeart on September 05, 2017, 03:02:24 AM
Honestly it seems like pretty much the entire gauntlet comes down to how the pendulum of comeback mechanics' swing lines up with the session's end time. Although the team with more people could probably mitigate that by getting ahead toward the end of the second day and just not playing for a while. If the weaker team doesn't get pushed far enough behind by the majority bumping up their score then they'll never get a chance to sneak in with a big score multiplier at the last second. That obviously isn't ideal, so even though I've benefited from this I hope the mechanic changes. Not sure to what, but something.

Fire Emblem elitists are the worst. The "oldest possible thing is best possible thing" mentality is rarely more prevalent than with Fire Emblem fanboys dumping on the more recent games. I'm certainly not trying to make the case that Fates or Awakening are criticism-proof or perfect, there's plenty to not like about them and preferring a different game over them is a totally valid opinion of course, but I've never been able to shake the feeling that the NES-only crowd are more interested in the hipster factor of "you probably haven't even heard of the Fire Emblem games I like" and "I liked it before it was cool" than they are in fairly evaluating the pros and cons of the different eras. And nobody gets mad on the internet like a hipster.  :wat:
 
It's been that and more like bashing on Fates more than Awakening tbh... but still holy fuck the comments on Youtube were cancer enough to make me wanna smash my laptop. Hopefully they change the voting system to be more suitable.
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Post by: BT on September 05, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
Quote
the comments on YouTube were [sic]
:colbert:

I'm ambivalent about the gauntlet. If anything Camilla winning added some excitement to a pretty dry thingamajig.
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Post by: commandercool on September 05, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
Just as I hoped, Brave Lucina has really breathed some new life into Camilla. Cam has been growing increasingly niche for a long time now thanks to her excessively balanced stats, but the bonuses from Lucina give her just enough reach that it's secured her tons and tons of one-round kills that she fell short of before.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on September 05, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
:colbert:

I'm ambivalent about the gauntlet. If anything Camilla winning added some excitement to a pretty dry thingamajig.
I have no comment all I can do is laugh at myself. XD
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Post by: Conqueror on September 06, 2017, 05:03:09 AM
RD-style supports just got added, lmao. Everyone can have one set of supports, and your summoner can also special summoner support someone

Edit: seriously this is ridiculous, at s rank she'll get 2 more attack, speed, and 1 more hp
(http://i.imgur.com/Ex5QHD0.jpg)
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Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2017, 12:34:00 PM
That's... Interesting. Seems kind of ill-conceived, but we'll see how it works in practice.

The biggest problem is that the correct choice seems to be BunCam since normal Camilla gets hard countered by way more things, but it feels wrong not to pick the original model... :D
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Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2017, 10:22:31 PM
So is today the first time we've seen Summoner and their weapon rendered? They look kind of familiar, are they in a cut scene I don't fully remember or something?
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Post by: Conqueror on September 06, 2017, 11:37:53 PM
The opening cinematic, under FAQ/Movies.
Yeah, it's been a while.
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Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2017, 11:45:30 PM
(https://imgur.com/yu8XkI6.png)

Best friends forever!
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Post by: commandercool on September 07, 2017, 12:37:37 PM
(https://imgur.com/uqnNdvN.png)

There we go, there's that Brave Lyn. Might as well keep pecking away at the banner until it goes away and try to grab the other two.
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Post by: Conqueror on September 07, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
On the last pull too, now that's what I call a close shave.
At least the units are permanent additions to the roster so they'll be in the pool even after the banner is gone.
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Post by: commandercool on September 07, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
Well, it was the last pull but I've been doing pulls every time I have 9-13 orbs for the whole banner. So I guess in a way all of my pulls are close shaves. :D
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Post by: BT on September 07, 2017, 06:54:57 PM
Help I'm stuck in the Hector banners someone help me get out
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Post by: Conqueror on September 08, 2017, 07:11:35 AM
Only 6k points for quickened pulse huh. It's basically free now.
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Post by: BT on September 08, 2017, 07:12:39 AM
Only 6k points for quickened pulse huh. It's basically free now.
YESSSS

YESSSSSSSSS

- My reaction a minute ago loading the app

EDIT: oooh, Distant Def 1 seal
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Post by: Conqueror on September 08, 2017, 08:09:49 AM
Yeah, it's a pretty cool way to rotate the seals without making it so that they're impossible to get after the first time. Although I can only imagine how many more rotations it will take until it comes around again, I expect there might be a seal shop/TT reward shop in the future.
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Post by: Chaore on September 08, 2017, 03:40:07 PM
The 3x Tempest Trial boosts make it seem a lot friendlier for newer/weaker players. Even the 30 level drops about 420 (blaze it) if you get in only first team deep.

That's something I can appreciate for how bad game design Tempest initial launch was. Now if they could uh, just learn that lesson a few MORE times...
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Post by: Conqueror on September 08, 2017, 10:00:40 PM
Yeah, definitely a good addition. I think in a recent interview IS did say that a lot of the features that came out weren't initially planned and were designed/tweaked based on player feedback. So hopefully that continues into the future.
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Post by: BT on September 09, 2017, 08:23:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/x35Vcim.jpg)

what NO

(http://i.imgur.com/zBC7F8E.jpg)

this was a mistake
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Post by: Edible on September 09, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
You married a little girl.
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Post by: Conqueror on September 11, 2017, 04:06:30 PM
So as it turns out, Lyn's base kit + Brash Assault is really fun to play with in Tempest trials and takes care of all those pesky fast reds. Too bad that even if under 50% health and with activated Defiant Atk she's something like 5 hp off of killing Berserker Hector.
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Post by: commandercool on September 11, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
Yeah, I've also been playing Brash Assault Lyn. With Quickened Pulse her Gale Force comes up often. Almost want to find room for Summer Xander to speed it up even more but that's probably overkill.

Edit: I'm overloaded on feathers, so I did a census of what kinds of units I'm low on and came up with green mages.

Decided to promote FRobin because I never see her used and I like having weird units. Turns out there's a good reason that she's rarely seen. I can only describe her stats as "devastatingly awful". She's so trash-bad that I doubt she even stacks up especially well against the kinds of people that units that she's supposed to counter...
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Post by: Conqueror on September 11, 2017, 10:26:29 PM
Funny thing, she has the exact same stats as neutral MRobin, although with Bonfire instead of Ignis he actually has a chance of getting his special off and Blarraven is infinitely more useful than Gronnwolf since the most relevant blue cav is Reinhardt who probably kills her anyway if cav buffed.
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Post by: commandercool on September 11, 2017, 10:35:49 PM
MRobin manages to squeak by with amazing abilities and good matchups but even he's beginning to show his age. They both suffer from the overly-balanced-stats syndrome that many earlier characters have.

I suppose FRobin could probably be salvaged into doing a decent job at a very narrow niche with Triangle Adept, but it feels like a little bit of a waste of a rare and powerful inherit and I know at least some Reinhardts are running Cancel Affinity now.
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Post by: Conqueror on September 12, 2017, 12:40:46 AM
Isn't Cancel Affinity limited to non-mages, are you talking about archers? I know some of them are running that to counter -raven tomes.
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Post by: commandercool on September 12, 2017, 12:43:54 AM
No, I was talking about Reinhardt on the grounds that all I found when I was looking for an explanation of what it did was tons of people saying how good it was going to be on Reinhardt since it made him unwallable. But I guess they were wrong, I had no idea it couldn't be equipped to mages and I guess they didn't either. That's kind of interesting.
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Post by: hyorinryu on September 12, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
MRobin manages to squeak by with amazing abilities and good matchups but even he's beginning to show his age. They both suffer from the overly-balanced-stats syndrome that many earlier characters have.

I suppose FRobin could probably be salvaged into doing a decent job at a very narrow niche with Triangle Adept, but it feels like a little bit of a waste of a rare and powerful inherit and I know at least some Reinhardts are running Cancel Affinity now.

I wouldn't say overly balanced as much as just weirdly stated. Most of their defense stats are in armor instead of magic resist, so they can't really duel other mages. Ideally, they'd want to fight archers and ninjas, but those guys just haven't been relevant lately. Maybe the Robins might do okay against Lyn. This guy built a Camilla to do it,  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQPw-NSzbQ&t=185s)and they'll probably take less damage.

No, I was talking about Reinhardt on the grounds that all I found when I was looking for an explanation of what it did was tons of people saying how good it was going to be on Reinhardt since it made him unwallable. But I guess they were wrong, I had no idea it couldn't be equipped to mages and I guess they didn't either. That's kind of interesting.
Honestly, I'm not sure it would have been that big a deal. I can't think of too many triangle adept greens that I would want to put against Reinhardt. Maybe Fae? Most things I can think of would have been whaley pet projects. Things like Julia/Sonia/Nino would still kill him regardless. Maybe it would have been relevant at tier 20, but for the most part, I think most would keep their lance breaker.
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Post by: commandercool on September 12, 2017, 01:49:03 AM
What I'd been told was that Julia could only wall a boosted Reinhardt with Triangle Adept, and Cancel Affinity theoretically let him one-shot her. I don't play Horsey Emblem so I don't know if that's actually true.

I feel like archers are growing increasingly relevant lately between Brave Lyn and Bride Cordelia. I run a Brave Bow Bride Cordelia and I see them on opposing teams relatively often. It's pretty rare that I see ninjas, but archers are actually common lately. And I thiiiink Triangle Adept MRobin is a hard counter to both BLyn and BCordelia.
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Post by: hyorinryu on September 12, 2017, 02:56:18 AM
What I'd been told was that Julia could only wall a boosted Reinhardt with Triangle Adept, and Cancel Affinity theoretically let him one-shot her. I don't play Horsey Emblem so I don't know if that's actually true.

I feel like archers are growing increasingly relevant lately between Brave Lyn and Bride Cordelia. I run a Brave Bow Bride Cordelia and I see them on opposing teams relatively often. It's pretty rare that I see ninjas, but archers are actually common lately. And I thiiiink Triangle Adept MRobin is a hard counter to both BLyn and BCordelia.

I think Julia still kills him. I'm definitely know that Rein isn't killing her. He can't touch her unless he procs moonbow. Someone did a simulation and quickened pulse +10 merged Reinhardt with Moonbow still couldn't kill  unmerged Julia.  A lot of Julias are running Fury too.

As for bow, I don't think Cordelias that big a deal. She's fragile and lacks Reinhardt's mobility or access to tribal buffs(Is there a better term for this.) Usually, I just see them get oneshot. As far as defensive archers go, I'd rather have Takumi.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 12, 2017, 04:15:13 AM
Cordelia is certainly not defensive, she's frail as hell. She's just the archer with the highest attack in the game (even higher than Brave Lyn) so she holds a Brave Bow well. She does indeed get one-shot a lot, but she's a glass cannon. Although for what it's worth I prefer the Death Blow version of her over the more common Life And Death build because it survives a lot more single hits and is still relatively difficult to double (at least on my team that tends to run Spur Speed and Drive Speed). I also run the Escape Route from her base kit because she does tend to get dropped to nearly dead by a lot of single hits, and once it's active it becomes really easy to keep her out of harm's way for the rest of the game.

Brave Lyn outclasses Bride Cordelia in a lot of ways, but Cordelia does still have higher stats in every category but Res and movement. Lyn's speed is higher if she uses Mulagir, but since the whole point of BCordelia is Brave Bow I guess it makes sense to assume Lyn is also holding a Brave Bow. I think Lyn is the best archer in the game, but she doesn't necessarily completely invalidate Cordelia either.

Lack of mobility and high-end buffs over Reinhardt is valid I guess, there's definitely a school of thought that everything should be compared to Reinhardt and there's no reason to ever use anything that isn't Horsey Emblem, and I don't really have a counterargument for that. If that's the way you want to look at it, fair enough, she probably is unplayable. But enough people in tiers 18-19-20 seem to choose not to play Horsey Emblem for one reason or another that she surfaces a lot in arena battles for me. On one hand that seems like it makes a dedicated anti-archer unit more valuable, but on the other hand it's not like taking her out before she can attack is really that difficult. Similarly Brave Lyn has been much less of a problem than I expected because her high speed means she tends to separate herself from the rest of a non-Horsey Emblem team to be easily picked off, and on a cavalry team she's far from the biggest problem anyway.

Edit: I think I'm going to start tracking arena usage again for a while. When I stopped keeping track Reinhardt was in the middle of his upswing and the popular units from the first wave (Takumi, Camilla, MRobin) were on the way out. It'll be interesting to see how things have changed. I expect to see Hector and Reinhardt at the absolute top of the list as well as Azura, Olivia, and all of the best cavalry units, but maybe there'll be surprise all-stars like Tiki was before. Gathering information will be a lot easier now that Arena Assault gives access to endless arena team compositions at no cost too.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on September 12, 2017, 07:32:14 AM
Cordelia is certainly not defensive, she's frail as hell. She's just the archer with the highest attack in the game (even higher than Brave Lyn) so she holds a Brave Bow well. She does indeed get one-shot a lot, but she's a glass cannon. Although for what it's worth I prefer the Death Blow version of her over the more common Life And Death build because it survives a lot more single hits and is still relatively difficult to double (at least on my team that tends to run Spur Speed and Drive Speed). I also run the Escape Route from her base kit because she does tend to get dropped to nearly dead by a lot of single hits, and once it's active it becomes really easy to keep her out of harm's way for the rest of the game.

Brave Lyn outclasses Bride Cordelia in a lot of ways, but Cordelia does still have higher stats in every category but Res and movement. Lyn's speed is higher if she uses Mulagir, but since the whole point of BCordelia is Brave Bow I guess it makes sense to assume Lyn is also holding a Brave Bow. I think Lyn is the best archer in the game, but she doesn't necessarily completely invalidate Cordelia either.

Lack of mobility and high-end buffs over Reinhardt is valid I guess, there's definitely a school of thought that everything should be compared to Reinhardt and there's no reason to ever use anything that isn't Horsey Emblem, and I don't really have a counterargument for that. If that's the way you want to look at it, fair enough, she probably is unplayable. But enough people in tiers 18-19-20 seem to choose not to play Horsey Emblem for one reason or another that she surfaces a lot in arena battles for me. On one hand that seems like it makes a dedicated anti-archer unit more valuable, but on the other hand it's not like taking her out before she can attack is really that difficult. Similarly Brave Lyn has been much less of a problem than I expected because her high speed means she tends to separate herself from the rest of a non-Horsey Emblem team to be easily picked off, and on a cavalry team she's far from the biggest problem anyway.

Edit: I think I'm going to start tracking arena usage again for a while. When I stopped keeping track Reinhardt was in the middle of his upswing and the popular units from the first wave (Takumi, Camilla, MRobin) were on the way out. It'll be interesting to see how things have changed. I expect to see Hector and Reinhardt at the absolute top of the list as well as Azura, Olivia, and all of the best cavalry units, but maybe there'll be surprise all-stars like Tiki was before. Gathering information will be a lot easier now that Arena Assault gives access to endless arena team compositions at no cost too.


Tbh, I didn't mean that Bride Cordelia sucks because she's not Reinhardt, it's just that her being infantry makes her fairly predictable and her being frail makes her easy to handle. I wouldn't trust her on defense without dancer shenanigans. On offense, her massive atk and speed make her pretty good. Tbh, even Reinhardt on his own isn't that big a deal for me, Julia handles him fine (Reinhardt goes 0x2) and Julia kills on the double. It's when they have multiple horse mages covering the entire map and people like Ursula are 1v1ing Julia through horse buffs that I have problems. 
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 12, 2017, 01:06:55 PM
I wouldn't trust her on defense without dancer shenanigans.

Well sure, but basically every team runs a dancer, right? Basically all of mine do, especially defense teams. The only teams I see that don't run dancers at all that I really consider a threat are all-in cavalry and armor teams, and many of those even run one.

As for Reinhardt on defense, it's not that he's necessarily unwallable (Camilla takes like 1x2 damage and while she can't kill him on the counterattack she can bait him easily at least while conveniently charging her super) just that he has probably the best chance of anything in the game to get off a big attack on something that you don't want him to attack. Or to create a situation where you have to overextend to make him do that. Winning isn't necessarily the point of a defense team, just increasing your odds of securing a single kill to break your opponent's streak so they concede to start over.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 12, 2017, 07:45:21 PM
So as it turns out, Lyn's base kit + Brash Assault is really fun to play with in Tempest trials and takes care of all those pesky fast reds. Too bad that even if under 50% health and with activated Defiant Atk she's something like 5 hp off of killing Berserker Hector.
The only, only benefit of having Eliwood as my only 1.4 bonus multiplier unit, is that he kills Berserker Hector in one round. Hmm, maybe that's because I have Triangle Adept 2 on the dood, though. Still!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 14, 2017, 07:57:15 AM
New banner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mUTopTLItM

Also, with the release of this banner, a leak that was circulating is now pretty much confirmed. So things we can expect to see:

<September>
- Black Knight TT reward
<October>
- Arvis GHB in October
- FE4 Banner in October
<TBD>
- No L'Arachel on the horizon for 2 months at least
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 14, 2017, 01:30:38 PM
Who's Arvis again.

->Not a flier

Oh yeah... Well, that's too bad. I mean, I realize that the last Grand Hero Battle was a flier and asking for two in a row is greedy, but they still haven't really given us an actual Hone Fliers option...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on September 14, 2017, 03:49:31 PM
Damn, Elincia is great.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 14, 2017, 06:04:44 PM
+3 Mt +3 Spd brave weapon replacement, comes with death blow and a teleport

*teaspit*
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on September 14, 2017, 06:07:19 PM
It's nuts, especially considering she's gonna be hanging around Hinoka and your Goad Fliers user of choice all day, so that teleport is going to see a ton of play.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 14, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
It's a reverse Guidance but exclusive to flying allies instead of infantry/armor. The cooky thing is that she can have both that AND Guidance. Not that it's super broken together or anything? It just leaves open a lot of movement possibilities.

Anyway! I had to run my banner up to 4.5%, but I got her!!

(http://i.imgur.com/uo5OSyC.jpg)

Now if only she wasn't on the slow side.  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 14, 2017, 09:56:38 PM
Do you have a plan for a set for her? I've been struggling with how to make mine less... underwhelming.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 14, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
I gave my Ninian Fury 2 and Hone Attack 3. She's not going to be doing any combat, but it's usually enough to tank a hit and then she can fly around the map.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on September 15, 2017, 04:51:15 AM
Who's Arvis again.

->Not a flier

Oh yeah... Well, that's too bad. I mean, I realize that the last Grand Hero Battle was a flier and asking for two in a row is greedy, but they still haven't really given us an actual Hone Fliers option...

People are speculating an armored mage. That'd be interesting. Also, I'm two runs away from 50k in Tempest Trials.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 15, 2017, 08:23:35 AM
Do you have a plan for a set for her? I've been struggling with how to make mine less... underwhelming.
I don't care, I'm just happy I have a second type of dancer now. I reckon I'll give her Wings of Mercy and maybe build a dragon team if I get the feathers.

If you're just looking for a dancer, Olivia is probably better because she has the same speed and a usable attack stat.

EDIT: Burger King is borked
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 15, 2017, 01:03:08 PM
Yeah, I'm lucky enough to have all three dancers and they go Olivia->Azura->Ninian IMO. Azura is the best on paper, but Olivia is best in practice on most teams because she beats almost any Hector set one-on-one, so you can just throw her on any team that needs a Hector counter.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 15, 2017, 03:35:44 PM
I think I've got a real shot at finally getting to Arena rank 20 this time I think. Even with perfect runs I always fall way short, but right now I'm pretty close to the top of rank 19. I'm sure I'll fall pretty far, but hopefully not quite far enough to rank down...

Edit:
(https://imgur.com/gB8Gvqw.png)

8l
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 16, 2017, 01:13:53 AM
Were you trying to block his spawn spot or something?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 16, 2017, 02:27:21 AM
I forgot which house he spawned out of...

Edit: Holy shit, I never noticed before just now that Chain Challenge has a normal and hard difficulty... They don't give stones unfortunately, but they do give tons and tons of feathers...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 16, 2017, 04:19:43 AM
If you haven't completed them, they're actually the most stamina efficient mode for farming SP as long as you never clear the last map (which halves rewards for all future runs). I've been using chain challenge 1-2 normal to grind SP for Elincia, doing 9 maps and then surrendering on map 10.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 16, 2017, 04:21:23 AM
Ooh, noted. I've only cleared 1-1 on normal so I'll leave it uncleared. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 16, 2017, 07:44:39 AM
Unfortunately I cleared all of them on normal except for 9-10 and 11-12, which, uh, are not trivial to grind on. :|

grind SP for Elincia
:|
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 16, 2017, 05:15:40 PM
Yeah, the time limits and other gimmicks are a massive pain, although they technically do have higher potential with all the reinforcements.

My rolls are blessed, I haven't been spooked by an off-banner 5 star in months. Now watch it finally happen when Micaiah comes around.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 16, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tfiBFY6.jpg)

goddammit it happened again
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 16, 2017, 10:46:55 PM
I got a 5* yesterday but it was Seliph. Seliph seems... really not good?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 19, 2017, 03:28:28 AM
Seliph is bad, but at least he has a...niche stat build if you really want to invest in him. Probably one of the most useless Prf  weapons though.

Meanwhile this isn't my Neph, but this is how she fares against a 55 hp 40 def Hector
(https://puu.sh/xDgx1/8e92ef1131.png)
Can't wait to roll for her when she isn't sharing a banner with Oscar.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 19, 2017, 03:31:04 AM
Well, I made it to rank 20 for the first time. Now to find out if I can stay in it for long before I get bumped back down...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Koog on September 26, 2017, 05:08:46 PM
New Heroes are announced to be coming the 29th
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKob_BHUMAEv31j.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 26, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Looks like Azura and Shigure?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 26, 2017, 08:44:37 PM
Ooh, I hope Shigure is coming! Although Shigure without Kana seems kind of weird.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on September 27, 2017, 01:28:57 AM
So I dropped this game like in May or June ish? I think? How's the game been since then, is it more gamey or is it still arena arena? I left just around when tempest first came out.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 27, 2017, 01:56:22 AM
That's a little difficult for me to say since I think I'm more pre-disposed toward appreciating Fire Emblem than most people (unless it's Echoes, apparently...) but I think it's got some solid single-player gameplay. There's a new Infernal difficulty that appears on some special events like Grand Hero Battles and two extremely difficult single-player modes that focus on having a large collection.

So as someone who plays the game a lot and maintains my collection, the endgame stuff like Infernal hero battles, Chain Challenges, and Squad Assaults provides a tricky and satisfying puzzle-like gameplay where solving them is basically a trial-and-error process of slowly figuring out how to get further while using less resources. The grinding has become less grindy, but success has a lot to do with having a lot of different options to work with which means owning a large number of different good monsters. 5*s are MUCH easier to get now, but you also ideally want more of them.

Personally most of my enjoyment still comes from the arena, so it all comes down to whether you like the arena or not. I think it's great, and there's an interesting alternative arena game mode now as well, but if you're not interested in it then there's probably not enough for you to do. I managed to make it to the highest tier with a non-IAP, non-optimal collection and enjoyed the challenge of getting there, so it's definitely not whales-only, and the vastly increased rate of hero feather drops means creating viable arena teams is much faster now, but if the basic concept of battling other people's teams with your team isn't appealing for you then the game probably isn't appealing for you.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on September 27, 2017, 07:56:15 AM
To give a second opinion, this Day 1 FTP player still loves the game but doesn't enjoy arena at all really. Getting in my 3 free arena battles every day is likely what i forget until the last minute - thought, thanks to having to do two for a quest every day, I don't think I've ever completely forgotten. For comparison I keep fluctuating between ranks 17 and 19, so even without much effort, it's not a hassle to be good at it and reap some rewards.

What I do enjoy however is that they seem to give players a constant flow of content now. There is a good amount of quests and challenges you can do every day, week and month. Then there is tempest and voting gauntlets which keep you occupied for as much as you want to put into them. And if really nothings going on, I just enjoy picking up a new team of 4 and training them to level 40, and/or building up a new 5 star - which is easy with how many feathers and orbs there are around now - i got close to 300 orbs just from ignoring the newest banner and I'm at about 150000 feathers, just from being very sparing with them.

Tempest has gotten a lot easier and more fun since it's first incarnation, too, so if you didn't enjoy that, it might very well have changed. Thought, really, a lot of little things have changed all over the app to make it more enjoyable - like refreshing the enemy teams in the training tower until the highest difficulty team is something my bad armor team can beat for the related monthly quest.

---

Speaking of things that changed, I have a question about something that hasn't. What I'm wondering is if anyone actually uses the level up items? Because I feel like using them would make me loose out on most of the game play and about all of the easy level up SP? I don't think I've used a single one so far, and am wondering if I missed something about them.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 27, 2017, 12:31:21 PM
The shards and fragments or whatever? I do use them, but only in rare cases like prepping a unit that I'm going to promote and then inherit, or getting through those sacred seal quests quickly. If you actually care about using a unit they're generally a bad idea, but if you want to level it up but don't actually intend to battle with it for some reason, which happens occasionally, then they're a convenient time saver.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on September 27, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
Okay, I guess that's fair. Thanks. I never thought about using them for inheritance fodder, because getting something to level 20 goes pretty fast anyways, but I guess I could save some time and energy that way.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 27, 2017, 07:10:47 PM
So absolutely every single arena team I've seen since Black Knight went live has had him on it. But basically none of them have had Armor March, and without it he kind of isn't that good?

I just got mine this morning since not having units compatible with the Tempest Trial has led to slow progress, but I can't really see myself using him.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 27, 2017, 11:19:27 PM
I think people are just excited to use a free high bst distant counter unit with decent defense and speed. I put him on my arena defense team but no defenses so far.

(https://puu.sh/xKwuI/cb004039e6.jpg)

My guess is that with free Brave Lyn running around in a lot of people's teams, most of my team is shut down immediately. Oh well, I did manage to get a defense with almost full fliers last week so maybe I'll switch to that in a day or two.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on September 28, 2017, 07:35:49 AM
Sing with me a song~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU3e9LlGKvo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU3e9LlGKvo)

He can finally dance on the big stage. I'm so proud.
Now, who do I want, aside from all of them?

Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 28, 2017, 12:51:14 PM
Oh daaaang! Weird that we got an alternate Shigure before the normal one, but opera Azura is... yes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on September 28, 2017, 04:17:43 PM
Jesus christo, These skills and weapons seem kinda ridiculous :v

Edit: Okay- Like, Azura especially since she can theoretically run a Dance, her Weapon, and something like Hone Atk.

They have to at the very least not let the dance and Weapon stack, right?.....right....?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 28, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
Alright, got my very last chance to pull. Elincia before her banner ends. Rate up to 4%.

-There's a red orb

-3* Fir

Bleh.

Oh well, bring on the dancer banner!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 28, 2017, 06:49:45 PM
They have to at the very least not let the dance and Weapon stack, right?.....right....?
Azura's weapon sounds like it would act like a Hone, so I'm reasonably confident it won't stack in the sense that the strongest buff will remain. So Azura's buff + Hone attack = +3 to all stats except attack, which has +4.

4 new dancers is lol. New B skills are interesting although the fact that you're giving up the B slot and the buffs only happen after a dance makes them less useful since half the time you're using your dancer to retreat units, not charge them further in. That said, new Azura is very very strong and is almost a direct upgrade to the old Azura with a more "meta" color. I think giving her the prf weapon was unnecessary, now I wonder how other dancers they will introduce like Tethys, Reyson, Lalum, etc. will compete.

Also, what's the occasion for this special banner? Mid Autumn Festival?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 28, 2017, 09:25:44 PM
The occasion is let's make more money please.

I was too late to get Elincia but just in time to get a Neph!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 28, 2017, 09:36:13 PM
New B skills are likely very underpowered unless they stack, which they probably don't. If you really want that bonus then you'll probably want it in a form that's easier to control and is available earlier in your turn, and B slot is arguably the most painful to give up, especially for a support character.

New weapon types and colors on dancers are very interesting, and Azura's weapon seems amazing given that it doesn't take up a skill slot, the weapon has high attack, and it's the largest biff we've seen yet. She's definitely the all-star here but the others are also interesting.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on September 29, 2017, 01:06:38 AM
TBH l can use more dancers... so l'll be trying to gamble on the new banner (when l get enough money)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2017, 01:26:50 AM
Owning every single dancer would give a person seven, which would be awfully useful in the arena gauntlet thing. Not that it's really necessary, but it would help.

Speaking of the arena gauntlet thing, do we know what the Goddess Coins are for yet? Is there a use for them and I just missed it?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 29, 2017, 03:20:49 AM
Not announced yet. They said they would tell us in October.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on September 29, 2017, 09:50:39 AM
which is easy with how many feathers and orbs there are around now - i got close to 300 orbs just from ignoring the newest banner

Went from 272 orbs to 139, summoning only green when possible, colorless if no green, blue if non of the above and got:

Mae

as my only blue summon. which i didn't have and was about the only 4* i still wanted from blue anyways, so not even mad about that blue-only-banner. probably gonna 5* her, because i lack blue mages

Jakob
Klein
Sakura
Lissa
Matthew
Niles
Gordin
Serra

from colorless hell, with Klein being the only thing i am excited about lightly. i had him before but inherited him away, so i'll keep him now

and

Hawkey 5* (as my free summon right of the bat - didn't have him as a 5* yet - that's my 3rd free summon that ended up being a 5*)
Cecilia
Cherche x2
Bartre x2
Barst x3
Soren
Merric 5* new (y-yeah? i don't think I ever saw this guy as an enemy even. maybe in some story mission?)
Gunter x2
Raven x3 (5* x1 didn't have him as a 5* either)
Camilla (my 7th Camilla in total)
Beruka
Inigo 5* new
Azura 5* new

with Inigo and Azura literally following each other at the end.

As much as I'd like Olivia, I don't think I'll waste more orbs on colorless and save them for the future. I took the gamble with green, because my selection of good green units was terrible and I think I managed to change that with with today.

Was really hoping I'd finally get a Fae, Hector or Amelia though. Oh well, I'm happy nonetheless.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on September 29, 2017, 12:30:52 PM
l swear all of my rolls are shit....  :V
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2017, 01:17:59 PM
(https://imgur.com/VVPssXg.png)

Got an Inigo out of my third pull. He's not Azura, but I will totally take this. Especially since this banner is up for basically forever.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2017, 06:09:15 PM
went 3/4, no shigure.

not caring about games is the ultimate gacha strategy
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 30, 2017, 01:25:28 AM
Pulled Inigo. Going to blow 40k feathers on him for a Gronnraven+ TA3 build to try to use him as a Reinhardt/Lyn hard counter.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on September 30, 2017, 01:53:13 AM
Ooh, that's not a bad idea. He's got interesting stats, so I could see that being a thing. I've got feathers to burn, I may give that a shot. Although Olivia already fits really well on most of my teams and de facto counters nearly all Hector builds, so losing that might be unfortunate.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 30, 2017, 06:24:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TJdZvnN.jpg)

Tempest Trials Neph!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 30, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
Wait a minute. How many units have you S-ranked, are you trying to fill out the collection?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on September 30, 2017, 08:44:53 PM
Wait a minute. How many units have you S-ranked, are you trying to fill out the collection?
There's a collection for S-ranks? I only know about about the Heroes Pokedex, and I swapped to her for the TT.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on September 30, 2017, 09:32:49 PM
In the Pokedex, it also lists your highest summoner support for each character. So you could potentially collect S ranks for everyone for fun, although you can't exactly switch back without building it up again.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: qMyon on October 01, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
Oogh.....I rolled about 30 orbs on the dancers, and picked up Shigure and Azura.

Unfortunately, both have -SPD.
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Post by: Mеа on October 02, 2017, 05:05:52 AM
decided to pick the game back up again for a taste drive to see if my interest sticks through this time

so I'm noticing the free hero summon banner, that brave one, two questions. One is, which ones are people picking? And the second is, can you inherit them to another unit?
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Post by: commandercool on October 02, 2017, 11:06:15 AM
Ooh, they just left that up forever? Neat.

-1: Pretty much Lyn, but there really isn't a wrong choice. I picked Lucina and later pulled Lyn and I use Lucina way more.

2: Yes, except for their weapons since named weapons are never inheritable, and a few of their skills are marked as specifically uninheritable.
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Post by: Edible on October 02, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
... Speaking of Brave Lyn, I just noticed my dupe pull of her has +ATK/-HP.  The one I picked was neutral, so hooray!
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Post by: commandercool on October 02, 2017, 06:52:38 PM
Pretty sure all of the freebies were guaranteed neutral.

So I have that weird economy right now where I'm in rank 19 and not that likely to make it back into rank 20 because it's such a crunch, so I don't know whether I should start spending dueling crests like crazy or not. Hmm..

Edit:
I think I just found the laziest whale. Their team is all +5 or more non-meta, unrelated units with their default skills and nothing else.
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Post by: commandercool on October 04, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
(https://imgur.com/esQblJZ.png)

GOOOOAL!
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Post by: commandercool on October 09, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
So we finally have a place to spend Goddess Coins, and it seems pretty neat I guess. I am slightly concerned about how powerful the Deflect 3 badges are going to be though. Seems like a lot of things can consistently turn the tables against their traditional counters with one of those which is... worrying. I'm thinking Deflect Missile 3 on Brave Lyn especially.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 09, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Got a two for one lucky roll special ended up with Norhian Azura and 4* Athena and oh the free roll I got I ended up with a 4* Mathilda. Hopefully my paycheck is big enough to fish for the other three dancers. :ohdear:
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Post by: Conqueror on October 09, 2017, 09:11:13 PM
Now everyone can be brave Ike!
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Post by: BT on October 09, 2017, 10:02:35 PM
I can't believe I wasted all my blue badges forging Speed +2

What a world
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Post by: commandercool on October 11, 2017, 02:53:25 AM
(https://imgur.com/A1Y8EVs.png)

Uh... score?
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 11, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
Woo! I don't have to go through grey hell thank you based Festival Olivia for dropping for me, now I just need Shigure and Dancer Indigo to complete the set then I can focus on the Threaten speed banner to get try and fight the RNG over Takumi.

Also Commander I keep teaming up with your Camilla at every voting gauntlet she's helpful for my Ryoma to get a lot of attacks in, so kudos to you!  :D
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Post by: hyorinryu on October 12, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
Who else is on team Ninian besides Chaore?
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Post by: commandercool on October 12, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
Nah, FCorrin here. Is it Ninian versus lil' Tiki on the other side? I hope the last round isn't Tiki versus Tiki. Hopefully splitting the Tiki vote is enough to keep her at bay on at least one side.
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Post by: BT on October 12, 2017, 09:35:28 PM
Nope! Tiki vs MCorrin and ATiki vs Nowi were both ultra close. I'm on team MCorrin and swimming in the shame. Yeah. That's it. Not any ingame resource whatsoever.
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Post by: hyorinryu on October 13, 2017, 01:51:45 AM
Nope! Tiki vs MCorrin and ATiki vs Nowi were both ultra close. I'm on team MCorrin and swimming in the shame. Yeah. That's it. Not any ingame resource whatsoever.

Yeah. You're already facing Tiki at full power. She can't handle a waifu MC.

EDIT: When did Ninian get so big? I didn't expect her base to be so large.
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Post by: Chaore on October 13, 2017, 04:54:52 AM
EDIT: When did Ninian get so big? I didn't expect her base to be so large.

She's from 7 which is the fire emblem elitist pick for this gauntlet since Tiki counts as an Awakening character now, If I had to be super honest. We probably have the pre-fates vote in general, and we still almost lost to M!corrin.


The final round is going to be an absolute bloodbath regardless of whoever won that flip, but hey, time for big numbers on our flags!
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Post by: hyorinryu on October 13, 2017, 05:04:16 AM
She's from 7 which is the fire emblem elitist pick for this gauntlet since Tiki counts as an Awakening character now, If I had to be super honest. We probably have the pre-fates vote in general, and we still almost lost to M!corrin.


The final round is going to be an absolute bloodbath regardless of whoever won that flip, but hey, time for big numbers on our flags!

True. I thought she would have had to split it with little Tiki and Fae. She's not a loli though, which probably helps. The dragon lolis, especially Nowi seem to have a lot haters. I could see Nowi, but not Tiki or Fae though. That last hour bonus was the first time I ever took advantage of a bonus hour during the gauntlet. I hear the guys on M!Corrin's team are rolling in feathers.
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Post by: BT on October 13, 2017, 10:11:46 AM
Deirdre didn't even use Naga smh
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 13, 2017, 03:37:52 PM
Still plugging away at the dancer banner trying to get the last two I don't have, and I got my streak reset by pulling an unrelated 5*. It was Faye though, she's pretty neat, so I'm cool with that. And the banner is only like half over, so I've still got plenty of time to hopefully pick up Olivia and Shigure.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 13, 2017, 06:25:37 PM
Ugh I swear I've been running into too many damn Brave Hero Lucinas during my voting gauntlet matches and ended killing them with a Brave bow Lyn ALL THE FUCKING TIME. I swear these match ups make me almost have a heart attack. (>_<)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on October 13, 2017, 10:07:18 PM
Still plugging away at the dancer banner trying to get the last two I don't have, and I got my streak reset by pulling an unrelated 5*. It was Faye though, she's pretty neat, so I'm cool with that. And the banner is only like half over, so I've still got plenty of time to hopefully pick up Olivia and Shigure.
I'm at 4.25% since I started spending daily orbs and orbs from the gauntlet, bound hero battle etcetera on the thing. Pulling colorless and green, still waiting~
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 13, 2017, 10:11:10 PM
This gauntlet is just serving to remind me how underrated I still think FCorrin is. Unfortunately she has rough matchups with a lot of major meta players which makes including her on teams a little tricky, but she does match up extremely well against a surprising chunk of the game. And with some heavy investment (maybe a Swift Sparrow inherit if someone can find one to spare) I think she could do a ton of work.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on October 14, 2017, 01:11:15 AM
This gauntlet is just serving to remind me how underrated I still think FCorrin is. Unfortunately she has rough matchups with a lot of major meta players which makes including her on teams a little tricky, but she does match up extremely well against a surprising chunk of the game. And with some heavy investment (maybe a Swift Sparrow inherit if someone can find one to spare) I think she could do a ton of work.

My Problem with Corrin is that she's a debuff unit in a game where it's easy to just kill things. Her attack is really low, and it that's the hardest thing to make up for from what I see. I think instead of swift sparrow, It'd better to use Fury/Death Blow/Triangle Adept. I could see her using Vantage decently. Only thing I know is bonfire is a must.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2017, 01:21:45 AM
My Problem with Corrin is that she's a debuff unit in a game where it's easy to just kill things. Her attack is really low, and it that's the hardest thing to make up for from what I see. I think instead of swift sparrow, It'd better to use Fury/Death Blow/Triangle Adept. I could see her using Vantage decently. Only thing I know is bonfire is a must.

You're definitely not wrong that debuffs occupy a weird place in FEH since it's pretty easy to just one-shot things, but I think there is a niche for bulky characters. Especially with triangle adept teams. Triangle Adept might be the best use for her, as the blue part of a triple adept team. There really shouldn't be any red character in the game, even boosted cavalry characters or all but the most stacked Raorblade users, who can kill her at that point, so she can take down her targets while debuffing for the other adept characters.

I actually use Ignis on her, since she's generally either bulky and fast enough to charge it or she's in a matchup bad enough that she's not going to be able to charge anything regardless.

Vantage might be interesting, but Seal Res is actually pretty solid on her since she's fast enough to double most characters, which makes it an effective +14 damage and lets her secure a ton of kills despite her bad attack.

Her stats almost make me wonder if Lightning Breath would be good on her, but I think her low attack and the fact that Dark Breath is the main thing that's useful about her makes that ultimately unwise. Maybe if an attack equivalent of Steady Stance and/or Hone Dragons ever come out.
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Post by: BT on October 14, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
4 reds and 1 blue appear.

Dejectedly, I pull blue. Shigure appears.

This is not what I wanted, but I'll take it. Ugggh, c'mere, pretty boy.
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Post by: Edible on October 15, 2017, 04:05:32 AM
Who else is on team Ninian besides Chaore?

It me.
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Post by: Mеа on October 15, 2017, 07:39:58 AM
(https://imgur.com/Ld0rjgh.png)
Ayy mysterious dancer lady get!

why I might actually have to start playing again for a while instead of just collecting stones
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Post by: commandercool on October 16, 2017, 04:30:51 AM
Dang, my luck was crazy today. Still haven't pulled either of the remaining two festival dancers, but I pulled Linde and Genny almost back to back both without a banner multiplier, and that's right after I pulled Faye the other day. None of these are really major wants for me, but they're all very solid, so I guess it works!
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Post by: hyorinryu on October 16, 2017, 05:40:02 AM
Is Arvis coming with DEF ploy? My Est is ready :V
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Post by: Conqueror on October 16, 2017, 08:09:36 AM
6 new units
Banner: Sigurd, Deidre, Tailtiu/Tiltyu/however you spell that
GHB: Arvis
TT?: Ayra
???: Arden

I believe Arvis has Atk/Res Ploy on Valflame too.
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Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2017, 04:18:10 AM
Wow, Sigurd is just as horseshit as I feared when he was revealed. You know what's super underpowered and needs an incredibly powerful new unit? Horsey Emblem. It's just really underrepresented and hasn't gotten much support, so it makes sense. You never really see it in Arena, but maybe he'll be the missing piece to finally make it competitive.   :V

Edit: That said, I'm not necessarily against the idea of his set in theory. I think Brave Ike has ultimately been good for the game by speedbumping the hyper-offensive teams that have been dominant forever, and Sigurd is basically a more defensive version of that. The problem is that he can easily stack up massive buffs so he's not only a more defensive Brave Ike but equally if not more powerful and much more mobile as well...
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 18, 2017, 02:45:19 PM
Anyone beaten the Arvis GHB map yet because I keep getting roasted. :V
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Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
On what difficulty? I haven't tried Infernal yet, but I didn't think the others were too bad. What part is giving you trouble?
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 18, 2017, 03:51:46 PM
On what difficulty? I haven't tried Infernal yet, but I didn't think the others were too bad. What part is giving you trouble?
Hard mode of all things I can barely get in any attacks and the reinforcements and mages keep fucking me over.
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Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
Huh. What team are you using?

Incindentally I really like Arvis. Probably gonna 5* him. First hero battle unit in a while I've done that to.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 18, 2017, 04:32:53 PM
Huh. What team are you using?

Incindentally I really like Arvis. Probably gonna 5* him. First hero battle unit in a while I've done that to.
Ryoma, Minerva, Reinhardt or FCorrin, and Priscilla
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Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2017, 05:03:18 PM
Put a dancer on there. All teams should pretty much always have a dancer. And a Brave Bow or Desperation archer is always handy for fighting mages.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 18, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
Put a dancer on there. All teams should pretty much always have a dancer. And a Brave Bow or Desperation archer is always handy for fighting mages.
Ack... looks like I'll be using Azura for this... on top of that I have Brave Lyn soo.... TIME TO PLAY DIRTY after I get my stamina back.  :derp:
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Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2017, 05:26:20 PM
Outside of an all-in Horsey Emblem team I'm not actually that big a fan of Brave Lyn for this kind of thing. She's not actually generally strong enough to one-shot mages which means she gets ground down. Unless you have Brave Bow on her in which case she's probably great. Or maybe if you're running a Breath of Life cleric to keep her topped off.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 18, 2017, 05:47:35 PM
Outside of an all-in Horsey Emblem team I'm not actually that big a fan of Brave Lyn for this kind of thing. She's not actually generally strong enough to one-shot mages which means she gets ground down. Unless you have Brave Bow on her in which case she's probably great. Or maybe if you're running a Breath of Life cleric to keep her topped off.
Err... no to be honest.... I don't I have enough brave bow units so I need to check.

Edit: Ah I got Klein with Brave bow+ just now need to find a way to make it work.
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Post by: Edible on October 18, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
Can any non-raven mages even OHKO BLyn?  28 res and 35 HP should keep her alive through any hit, and she won't be doubled by even +SPD Linde.
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Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2017, 05:56:32 PM
Maybe Life and Death Celica could, a lot of all-in Blade units probably could. Something running Bowbreaker could. But that's not really the issue in this case.

Lyn is a great matchup against mages in a normal battle, but in a PVE map with reinforcements she's liable to get worn down by chip damage after the third or fourth enemy. There are plenty of ways to mitigate that, but it's something to maybe be aware of.

Edit: For what it's worth, I've found that the most effective strategy in reinforcement maps usually involves combining an extremely strong ranged attacker (Brave Bow Bride Cordelia for me) with Escape Route and at least one but maybe two dancers with Wings of Mercy. Lets you be super mobile and safely snipe units that are getting too close without ever being in danger of getting hit back.

Just top off the team with some more offensive units to cover the sorts of things your primary attacker can't and you should be good to go. I also like using Breath of Life on the primary attacker to keep everyone else healthy. It's a great survival tool for longer battles like this or chain challenges.
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Post by: Edible on October 18, 2017, 06:08:43 PM
Maybe Life and Death Celica could, a lot of all-in Blade units probably could. Something running Bowbreaker could. But that's not really the issue in this case.

BLyn's unique bow nullifies stat boosts against mages in combat, so she doesn't have to worry about any of that (except bowbreaker, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a mage run that and it only activates on their turn).

In regards to chip damage, I suppose you could run Desperation instead of Sacae's Blessing, but I'd rather have the latter to deal with Distant Counter.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2017, 06:14:29 PM
BLyn's unique bow nullifies stat boosts against mages in combat, so she doesn't have to worry about any of that (except bowbreaker, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a mage run that and it only activates on their turn).

In regards to chip damage, I suppose you could run Desperation instead of Sacae's Blessing, but I'd rather have the latter to deal with Distant Counter.

Wait, does Bowbreaker only work on their turn? The other breaker skills don't work that way. I do run Bowbreaker very occasionally on mages but mostly it's bad because Brave Bow is so common. And fair enough about her weapon, I forgot about that.

For someone heavily invested in Brave Lyn I think giving her Brave Bow (may not even really need to be Brave Bow+)  or Desperation for endurance PVE challenges makes a lot of sense. But for PVP her normal set is very strong and doesn't really need much if any adjusting. You can give her both sets of skills and just swap back and forth as necessary.
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Post by: Edible on October 18, 2017, 06:23:53 PM
You're correct re: Bowbreaker and other breaker skills, I was thinking of something else entirely.  Apologies.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 18, 2017, 06:27:45 PM
Hmm... all these ideas are making me want to try that now... but Imma stick with Vanilla Brave Lyn...
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Post by: 7TC7 on October 18, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
For what it's worth, I beat Arvis on Lunatic and Infernal with Reinhardt and Olivia, just dancing and oneshotting everyone. I had Eldigan and Lyn with me, too, but they pretty much only repositioned the other two out of harms way. There was never any combat on enemy turns aside from Eldigan tanking/killing the Green Kavalier on turn 1 and i think one of the green knights attacked olivia once on infernal.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on October 18, 2017, 09:05:16 PM
I spent a bunch of stamina trying to clear Infernal Arvis normally with melee units but I gave up on that when Elincia couldn't kill any of the armor reinforcements and got ORKO'd in return. Ranged units are a must have if you want to go the long way, I think.

However, if you have a unit with galeforce like Brave Roy, then this is is actually one of the easiest GHBs to one-turn so you never have to deal with all the reinforcements. I used a full horse team, and a hone'd brave roy took care of the axe cav and arvis. Then it was just matching up my other 3 cavs with the other 3 units.
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Post by: hyorinryu on October 18, 2017, 10:57:04 PM
Reinhardt/Xander + two dancers handles Infernal pretty well if people are having trouble with it.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on October 18, 2017, 11:15:10 PM
Woo! Fuck you Arvis you just got rekt'd by a level 23 Klein, also MVP goes to Klein and Azura this time around for beating this map I might 5* Arvis (out of respect he almost made me throw my phone) after Berkut lol... oh god never again will I never underestimate archers... props to Reinhardt for getting me the kill on Arvis lol Rising Thunder rekt'd him good.
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Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2017, 01:36:52 AM
Alright, got around to trying Infernal, and yeah, it's super easy. This might be the easiest Infernal hero battle ever. It didn't really feel any different from Lunatic honestly. Aside from Arvis having his special charged from the beginning, which doesn't really matter because he shouldn't ever get to attack, I didn't notice anything different. Didn't notice any new enemies or really nasty ability combinations (although I did lose once to a random Vantage on a cavalier that I didn't notice and caused me to lose without even realizing what happened).
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on October 19, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
The fireemblemheroes subreddit is imploding from the news that there's a 2nd Holy War banner with Arya in it. Because everyone thought she was gonna be a reward unit and all. Ha ha ha ow.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 19, 2017, 05:08:35 PM
The fireemblemheroes subreddit is imploding from the news that there's a 2nd Holy War banner with Arya in it. Because everyone thought she was gonna be a reward unit and all. Ha ha ha ow.
To be honest that surprised me too in a good way.  :D
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on October 19, 2017, 07:13:23 PM
The fireemblemheroes subreddit is imploding from the news that there's a 2nd Holy War banner with Arya in it. Because everyone thought she was gonna be a reward unit and all. Ha ha ha ow.

I can understand where they're coming from tbh. This is the first time that they introduced a new character with old characters. Not only that, but they aren't super desirable and one of them shares a color with Ayra. At least with Oscar/Nephenee, Oscar was a new character and he was actually pretty good. Eldigan is an old character, and Lachesis is a healer. Had she appeared with Sigurd and Deirdre, I don't think the reaction would have been this bad.

Another factor, this has nothing to do with IS, is that gamepedia posted 4* stats for Ayra and only 5* stats for Arden, leading people to believe she was the TT unit. This lead to some spending on the Sigurd banner thinking they'd get Ayra for free. Since then, 4* Ayra stats have been taken down and 4* Arden stats have been put up.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on October 19, 2017, 07:46:06 PM
I can understand where they're coming from tbh. This is the first time that they introduced a new character with old characters. Not only that, but they aren't super desirable and one of them shares a color with Ayra. At least with Oscar/Nephenee, Oscar was a new character and he was actually pretty good. Eldigan is an old character, and Lachesis is a healer. Had she appeared with Sigurd and Deirdre, I don't think the reaction would have been this bad.

Another factor, this has nothing to do with IS, is that gamepedia posted 4* stats for Ayra and only 5* stats for Arden, leading people to believe she was the TT unit. This lead to some spending on the Sigurd banner thinking they'd get Ayra for free. Since then, 4* Ayra stats have been taken down and 4* Arden stats have been put up.
Ya, all that is right.

Somehow it seems like Ayra was meant to be released with the other three - especially if you look at the campaign chapters - but maybe they forgot to put her in the preview video or something, who knows. Well actually Arden was in the campaign too. Ugg.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on October 19, 2017, 09:31:43 PM
It looks like neither Seliph nor Julia are getting TT bonuses. I don't feel like rolling for any of 40% people either. Oh well.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on October 19, 2017, 11:18:25 PM
The datamined 4* leaks are not the issue, I doubt most people even know about them.
Since then, 4* Ayra stats have been taken down and 4* Arden stats have been put up.
That's bizarre. First time I've heard of it since I've only seen speculation that IS would actually remove Ayra's 4* data after putting it in the game but there hasn't been an update yet so it looks like this is just the dataminers screwing up. I wonder where those stats came from then, maybe the 4* Ayra stats were for the story missions.

Also, the issue is that this is the first time a new unit has been released without being featured in a banner teaser video. The way she was cameo'd in the banner video matches up with how previous TT and GHB units were teased, so there's the issue of broken expectations.
And more importantly, she was released on a banner with old characters while sharing a color to boot which is really really bad for people with limited orb income since your chances of getting a single new unit goes way down. It sets a very bad precedent - what if they introduce Micaiah on a banner with Oboro (for some reason)?

I confess I fell for the bait and now I have Lachesis, Eldigan, another Lyn, and Saber. I'm somewhat salty.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 20, 2017, 12:32:49 PM
Grrr... I'm at a crossroad with the way things are I'm trying to decide whether I should roll the tempest trail banner for Eldigan and Arya, roll the holy war banner, roll the threaten speed banner for Takumi, or save my orbs. I'm stuck on what to do after I get Shigure and Indigo from the performing arts banner.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 20, 2017, 12:39:17 PM
Yeah, I'm still tunnel-visioning Shigure and Olivia. And slightly worried that there may be an upcoming Halloween banner with a Camilla variant that I should be preparing for, but I guess I'll cross that road when I come to it if that does happen.

Incidentally, anyone else picking up Fire Emblem Warriors and/or its accompanying Amiibos today?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 20, 2017, 01:43:22 PM
Yeah, I'm still tunnel-visioning Shigure and Olivia. And slightly worried that there may be an upcoming Halloween banner with a Camilla variant that I should be preparing for, but I guess I'll cross that road when I come to it if that does happen.

Incidentally, anyone else picking up Fire Emblem Warriors and/or its accompanying Amiibos today?
I'll probably get Fire Emblem Warriors next year when I get a switch.

On the subject of orb rolling crossroads I think I'll skip the holy war banner and threaten speed banner (which sucks because everything involving increased Takumi rates just ends up in failure) and just roll for Arya and Eldigan on the tempest banner so, I can have enough for encase we do get a Halloween banner.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 20, 2017, 01:55:56 PM
I stopped at three different stores before work and none of them seem to stock Fire Emblem Warriors. It is a real game right? Did the release date change or something?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 20, 2017, 02:35:30 PM
I stopped at three different stores before work and none of them seem to stock Fire Emblem Warriors. It is a real game right? Did the release date change or something?
No.... just too much hype is selling it out.

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Without further ado let's spin the wheel of fortune for two more units on the performing arts banner 154 orbs let's do this:

First Attempt:

First roll set: 2 Grays and 3 Blues.

Result: dupe 4* Donnel, dupe 3* Lissa, dupe 3* FCorrin, dupe 3* Clarine, and Shigure (He literally fell in my lap.~)


Comment: Looks like I played the RNG cards right but let's not get too cocky...

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Second Attempt:

Second roll set: 1 Grays, 2 Greens, and 2 Blues.

Result: dupe 4* Merric, 4* Oscar, dupe 4* Gaius, dupe 4* Donnel, dupe 4* Boey.


Comment: Got something newish at least???

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Third Attempt:

Third roll set: 2 Reds, 1 Green, 1 Gray, and 1 Blue.

Result: dupe 4* Chrom, dupe 4* Caeda, dupe 3* MRobin, dupe 4* Felicia, and dupe 4* Barte.


Comment: Oh boy doing the safety dance for one more unit is a chore let me tell you.  :derp:

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Fourth Attempt:

Fourth roll set: 2 Reds, 2 Greens, and 1 Gray. (This is fine)

Result: dupe 4* Raigh, dupe 3* Saizo, dupe 4* Palla, Dupe Norhian Azura, and dupe 4* Raven 


Comment: My roll rate... (T_T)

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Fifth Attempt:

Fifth roll set: 2 Reds, 1 Green, and 2 Grays.

Result: dupe 4* Saizo, dupe 4* Raigh, dupe 4* Palla, dupe 4* Kagero, and dupe 4* Gunter.


Comment: Ouch... all 4s.
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Sixth Attempt:

Sixth roll set: 3 Reds, 1 Blue, and 1 Gray.

Result: dupe 3* Azama, dupe 4* Sully, dupe 4* Athena, dupe 3* Sophia, and dupe 4* Laslow/Indigo. 


Comment: All for the rate, desu. (T_T)
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Last roll -

Seventh Attempt:

Seventh roll set: 3 reds and 2 Greens.

Result: dupe 4* Hana, dupe 4* Caeda, dupe 3* Laslow/Indigo, dupe 3* Beruka, and dupe 3* Barst. 


Comment: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!!!! -table flip-

Welp! RNG got me back... as I predicted it would...

Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 20, 2017, 09:54:57 PM
Alright, it took me eight stops (fortunately they were mostly clustered within walking distance of two different places) but I finally found Fire Emblem Warriors and the two new Amiibos. And not at the same place either.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Third Eye Lem on October 21, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
Alright, it took me eight stops (fortunately they were mostly clustered within walking distance of two different places) but I finally found Fire Emblem Warriors and the two new Amiibos. And not at the same place either.
I just picked up my copy today, but I forgot the amiibo existed. Oh well, I needed to save my money for This (http://www.retrogamingexpo.com/) anyways.

So far the game feels a lot like Hyrule Warriors, just with FE characters and more voice acting...But in some ways it feels better than HW. You can direct your allies to different points, have them follow specific orders, even Pair Up and attack enemies, and there's even a neat TV Mode option that lets you run the game at ~60 FPS at the cost of some graphical fidelity. Oh, and you can remap the controls as you see fit. ;) Thanks a bunch, devs.

On that note...Has the badge/crest crafting system been in other Musou-style games before? Hyrule Warriors was practically my first Musou game, but I'm curious if it originated before that point.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 21, 2017, 01:57:46 AM
Do you think it's worth making a separate thread for Warriors?

As someone who doesn't like this kind of game at all, I've been enjoying it so far. The game keeps me running around putting out fires at a rapid enough pace that it's easy to overlook that the actual combat is basically nothing. Although I also really liked Fire Emblem Echoes at first and hated it so much that I couldn't even be bothered to finish it by the late midgame, so we'll see how Heroes develops. It seems like it has a lot of neat stuff going for it though. And I haven't even found Camilla yet. :derp:

Edit: How come we don't have Lianna, Rowan and Darios in Heroes though?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 21, 2017, 02:06:49 AM
Do you think it's worth making a separate thread for Warriors?

As someone who doesn't like this kind of game at all, I've been enjoying it so far. The game keeps me running around putting out fires at a rapid enough pace that it's easy to overlook that the actual combat is basically nothing. Although I also really liked Fire Emblem Echoes at first and hated it so much that I couldn't even be bothered to finish it by the late midgame, so we'll see how Heroes develops. It seems like it has a lot of neat stuff going for it though. And I haven't even found Camilla yet. :derp:

Edit: How come we don't have Lianna, Rowan and Darios in Heroes though?
They'll probably put them in on a later date.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Third Eye Lem on October 21, 2017, 02:24:51 AM
They'll probably put them in on a later date.
I'd be shocked if they don't go the Zelda route and stuff the DLC with characters from every FE game. You could easily make "best of" campaigns with each game.

Yes, I am hoping we get PoR/RD chars and more Blazing Sword chars, thanks for asking! :D
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 21, 2017, 02:32:25 AM
(Warriors)

Frederick sucks. I don't like playing as him and when I'm not he keeps homing in on enemy mages and either almost getting himself killed such that I have to drop everything and save him, or actually getting himself killed. Actually I don't really like playing as Cordelia either, the mounted units feel reeeeally cumbersome, which is even worse since Cordelia does like zero damage and it takes her ten million hits to kill anything.. I hope Camilla doesn't steer this weird. I guess I'll just have to take the time to learn her if she's as wonky as these two.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on October 21, 2017, 03:20:05 AM
DLC for warriors was already announced, for the 3 games already in Warriors.

Fates:
Azura/Niles/Oboro
Shadow Dragon:
Navarre/Minerva/Linde
Awakening:
Owain/Tharja/Olivia

Dunno if they'll add more, I guess it depends on sales.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 21, 2017, 03:23:04 AM
Ooh, I like the sound of a lot of those.

Really curious how Niles will play since I don't think there's an archer in the game currently. Or maybe there is and I overlooked them, but regardless, Niles is rad.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Third Eye Lem on October 21, 2017, 03:42:50 AM
Awakening:
Owain/Tharja/Olivia
Excellent, I was wondering when
Owain
would be playable.
I was legit surprised when I ran into him using Lissa in her debut chapter!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 22, 2017, 07:58:52 PM
Oof, staying in tier 20 in the arena seems basically impossible. I've got maybe the best Arena score I've ever had right now and I'm still not even close...

Meanwhile, in FEW, I don't love the way the game does promotion. There's no reason not to do it as quickly as possible and the power boost is ridiculous. Really snowballs your best characters into being WAY better than the others.

Edit: There's a Guidance seal?! Jeeesus, that's going to be trouble...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on October 23, 2017, 06:58:50 PM
At least the Guidance seal is still Flier only, I think.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Third Eye Lem on October 23, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
Meanwhile, in FEW, I don't love the way the game does promotion. There's no reason not to do it as quickly as possible and the power boost is ridiculous. Really snowballs your best characters into being WAY better than the others.
It can't be that bad, can it?

>gets Chrom to lv15, promotes him, +100 HP and +20 in all stats

...I'm not complaining. :V I just nudged Lianna to lv15 as well, so she'll get a seal once I finish the final Hoshido map.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 24, 2017, 03:31:27 AM
Warriors chapter 15:

-Has Corrin always had that weird vestigial tail thing under her cape? It's not really clear from my Corrin Amiibos if it's just a design on their armor or a separate piece like Warriors is interpreting it, but it's weird how it bounces around when she runs.

-
Lol wtf Tiki's animations. I don't throw around the phrase "derpy" loosely, but...

Wasn't expecting there to be a shitload of big dragons just mixed in there with the common soldiers, but I guess I should have since the skill trees refer to dragons and there are dragon-slaying weapons...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 24, 2017, 02:27:05 PM
What a great way to wake up to a random 5* I don't have from a gacha I wasn't even trying at lol. Got myself a 5* Elincia from the flier buff pool from my free roll is she good?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 25, 2017, 03:30:38 AM
How are there still people with teams of +6-10 meta units with competitive sets in rank 16 in the arena? Are they just very new whales who haven't quite risen through the ranks yet or something?

What a great way to wake up to a random 5* I don't have from a gacha I wasn't even trying at lol. Got myself a 5* Elincia from the flier buff pool from my free roll is she good?

Elicnia is great, I was bummed I didn't get one.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 25, 2017, 04:38:19 AM
Elicnia is great, I was bummed I didn't get one.
Hmmm... maybe I'll train her when I get a chance to.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on October 25, 2017, 08:58:11 AM
What a great way to wake up to a random 5* I don't have from a gacha I wasn't even trying at lol. Got myself a 5* Elincia from the flier buff pool from my free roll is she good?
there are free rolls in this game?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on October 25, 2017, 11:07:00 AM
there are free rolls in this game?

They made the first roll on every banner free some time ago, yes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on October 25, 2017, 11:23:19 AM
They made the first roll on every banner free some time ago, yes.
oh man what am I doing letting all these banners sit to waste then
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 25, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
oh man what am I doing letting all these banners sit to waste then
Careful though it can go either good or bad.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 25, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
Careful though it can go either good or bad.

What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on October 25, 2017, 04:52:26 PM
It never goes bad. Either you get a cool character, an inheritable ability or at least some feathers for free. No reason to not always pull the freebie.

-

On the topic of Elincia. I'm pretty sure she is the best/only good red flier we have, so yes, she's good to have. I pulled her while failing to get Young Tiki from the dragon gauntlet banner and can't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 25, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
Notably the free pull counts for discounting later pulls in the same session, so if you also take all the other summons when you get it then you can have five characters for 15 stones.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 26, 2017, 12:59:56 AM
I meant by you could end up with a crappy dupe.. but, I might have Elincia trained up... with my Camus training team.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2017, 12:53:30 PM
Wow, I'm really surprised to see to how much Ursula holds up as a bullshit hero battle. I remember it being really really hard at the time, and while beating it has become pretty easy, beating it with Sharena landing the killing blow is still extremely difficult.

Edit: I found Infernal to be pretty tricky as well. Only won because the AI made suboptimal attacks three different times for some reason.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 26, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
Wow, I'm really surprised to see to how much Ursula holds up as a bullshit hero battle. I remember it being really really hard at the time, and while beating it has become pretty easy, beating it with Sharena landing the killing blow is still extremely difficult.
I am never going back there again 1 time is enough...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on October 27, 2017, 03:02:51 AM
Wow, I'm really surprised to see to how much Ursula holds up as a bullshit hero battle. I remember it being really really hard at the time, and while beating it has become pretty easy, beating it with Sharena landing the killing blow is still extremely difficult.

Edit: I found Infernal to be pretty tricky as well. Only won because the AI made suboptimal attacks three different times for some reason.

If you need Sharena to land the killing blow, you can just find Ursula in the developer maps or in the story mode.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2017, 03:30:41 AM
Oh fuuuck I forgot that works! Anybody remember off the top of their head which story chapter she's in?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on October 27, 2017, 04:46:32 AM
Oh fuuuck I forgot that works! Anybody remember off the top of their head which story chapter she's in?

9-3, but I hear the developer map is easier. Do the 2nd dev map.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on October 27, 2017, 07:36:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy5pjSPPqEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy5pjSPPqEs)

Why do we still not have beast transformations? This would have been the perfect opportunity to sneak one in, instead of giving me no reason to summon colourless again.

Green Mage Armour and Red Flier Mage however? Yes please.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on October 27, 2017, 10:14:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hUwPYrH.jpg)

GOT A FAE
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 27, 2017, 03:39:25 PM
Welp both me and commandercool called it Halloween banner and omfg Sakura and Jakob look cute.~
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2017, 04:20:02 PM
I mean it certainly wasn't a long shot. I'd be happy to have any of them but don't particularly need any of them.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2017, 06:44:33 PM
So... Arden's voice actor is doing like a 30% Rodney Dangerfield impression, right..?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on October 28, 2017, 01:11:34 AM
Halloween Henry seems potentially interesting out of the set but I am both out of orbs because they brought out the anti-bun guns, and also this set bores me to pieces aesthetically.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on October 30, 2017, 01:55:08 PM
Ok so we get: 1 Red, 2 Grays, and 1 Green for the Halloween banner. Oh this is gonna be fun....
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2017, 01:56:12 PM
Oof, I didn't look closely enough at the Halloween characters before now to notice that they include a new Armor March and Hone Fliers,  which may be the two most sought-after abilities in the game. I think I have to try to pull Nowi even though she's... distasteful.

Sakura is great too. Honestly all four of them seem excellent. Jakob is the worst I think but he's definitely still unique and interesting.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on October 30, 2017, 08:22:43 PM
I just wanted Henry.

And I walked out the first 40 orbs with sakura and Nowi.

Help.

edit: Nuhhh the nowi's stats are also bad (-hp/def) but that B skill pretty much justifies her alone i demand a recount)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
Nowi is nuts. I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with her if I pulled one earlier. I was really hoping I could justify inheriting her onto someone so I don't have to use a half-naked child on my team but she's reeeeally gooooood...

But I don't have one yet. Given a month I imagine I'm going to pull her, but I've been wrong before.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on October 30, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
Nowi is nuts.

Honestly I love free resources so I highlighted perhaps the wrong part, but yes.

She's another on the list of 'HEY NINTENDO WHEN YOU GOING TO ONE-UP YOUR BASE AND ACTUALLY INTRODUCE IV CHANGING ITEMS YET?', because god damn that kit works.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on October 30, 2017, 11:08:39 PM
I don't see how Witch Nowi is any more distasteful than Normal Nowi.

Anyway, this might be the first banner in a while where I keep my orbs to myself!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2017, 12:41:18 AM
She's not, but normal Nowi is pretty skeevy.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on October 31, 2017, 01:16:00 AM
I threw 50 orbs and got Henry. -SPD and +RES. I'm debating if I want the others.
I don't see how Witch Nowi is any more distasteful than Normal Nowi.

Anyway, this might be the first banner in a while where I keep my orbs to myself!

People go nuts whenever Nowi gets brought up regardless, I just see it as a meme at this point.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: 7TC7 on October 31, 2017, 06:09:37 PM
I pulled Nowi pretty much immediately and now i'll wait and see whatever the half-of-month banner brings before deciding if i go for Henry.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on October 31, 2017, 10:49:21 PM
I pulled Nowi pretty much immediately and now i'll wait and see whatever the half-of-month banner brings before deciding if i go for Henry.

Same, though I'm debating if I want to go through the effort of going for Nowi, she'll be harder to get than Henry and I already have Elincia as a red.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 02, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
ohh god I just pulled a Reinhardt, my casual days are over maybe maybe, but do I want to give in to the devil?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 02, 2017, 06:01:04 PM
I mean, he's definitely worth having around for PVE stuff. Makes a lot of Infernal content much easier.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 03, 2017, 01:22:26 AM
ah right. The one I pulled he's only 4 stars so I'm weighing whether I want to invest the feathers into him or not

Also I just unlocked the sacred seal creation thing from the story and this seems pretty neat actually. What's the best way to get more coins so far? I hope I didn't miss any one-time seals from tempest or something either.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 03, 2017, 02:04:29 AM
Sacred coins are mostly available as Arena Assault prizes, but they've also been given out in decent numbers in every event since they were introduced.

You probably have missed some seals from past Tempest Trials and other events, but so far we've had one Tempest Trial featuring prizes from previous trials, so expect to be able to get them at some point.

As for Reinhardt, I'd say plan on keeping him and five-starring him at some point if you don't pull him at that rank before then, but don't hurry to do it if there are other characters you want to upgrade more.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 03, 2017, 04:18:37 PM
Ok bought the 140 orb pack and added it in with my 14 orbs which equals 154 orbs let's see if I can pull any of the Halloween units out.

Noting that it's 1 Red, 1 Green, and 2 grays let's do this!

First Roll Set: 1 Gray, 3 Greens, and 1 Blue.

Results: Dupe 4* Nowi, dupe 3* Robin, dupe 4* Shanna, dupe 4* Raven, and dupe 3* Saizo.

Comment: Kinda figured it was gonna be one of those rolls...

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Second Roll Set: 2 Gray, 2 Greens, and 1 Blue.

Results: Dupe 4* Cordelia, dupe 3* Cherche, dupe 4* Gordin, dupe 3* Arthur, and dupe 4* Felicia.

Comment: Yay more boost to the roll rate.

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Third Roll Set: 3 Reds, 1 Gray, and 1 Blue.

Results: Dupe 4* Shanna, dupe 3* Laslow/Indigo, dupe 3* Stahl, dupe 3* Olivia, and dupe 4* Virion.

Comment: Feeling like I'm getting TRICKED instead of being TREATED.

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Fourth Roll Set: 1 Red, 2 Gray, 1 Green, and 1 Blue.

Results: Dupe 4* Donnel, Halloween Jakob, dupe 3* Cecilia, dupe 4* adult Tiki, and dupe 3* Gordin.

Comment: Much better!

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Fifth Roll Set: 2 Blues, 1 Green, and 2 Reds.

Results: Dupe 4* Florina, dupe 3* Jagen, dupe 4* Hana, dupe 4* Soren, and dupe 4* Chrom.

Comment: Here we go again.

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Sixth Roll Set: 2 Reds, 1 Gray, and 2 Blue.

Results: Dupe 4* Odin/Owen, dupe 3* Donnel, dupe 3* Henry, dupe 3* Matthew, and dupe 4* Henry.

Comment: Ahahahahahahahaha.... oh stop please.

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Last Roll!

Seventh Roll Set: 3 Reds, 1 Gray, and 1 Blue.

Results: Dupe 4* Lukas, dupe 4* Henry, dupe 4* Raigh, dupe 3* Eliwood, and dupe 3* Niles.

Comment: 3.75 roll rate yay!

Welp at least I got 1/4 of the Halloween units which isn't bad.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 03, 2017, 05:05:37 PM
Ah shit, I just dumpstered my 4% rate on the Halloween banner with Ryoma. I mean, I didn't have him and I do like him, but I think it's been something like six or seven off-banner 5*s now since my last on-banner one. (Although that was green Azura so I guess I can't complain too much.)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 03, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Ah shit, I just dumpstered my 4% rate on the Halloween banner with Ryoma. I mean, I didn't have him and I do like him, but I think it's been something like six or seven off-banner 5*s now since my last on-banner one. (Although that was green Azura so I guess I can't complain too much.)
Vantage, Wary Fighter, and Pivot makes him scary.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 03, 2017, 05:50:26 PM
Not sure what you mean by that, he can't equip Wary Fighter.

Never been a huge fan of Vantage but he definitely seems like one of the best users of it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 03, 2017, 06:12:04 PM
Not sure what you mean by that, he can't equip Wary Fighter.

Never been a huge fan of Vantage but he definitely seems like one of the best users of it.
Eh? Can't equip wary fighter weird? But yeah Vantage Ryoma BREAKS a lot of things most of the time.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 03, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
there was a one turn calvary team posted somewhere featuring galeforces and wings of mercy and now I'm trying to make one too but with fliers. That team had 3 and I only have access to 2 galeforces (including feeding away the brave roy) so puzzlings and figurings things out step right now.

and so I was checking stats and I don't like how Elincia is just a straight upgrade over Palla. She has better attack, better speed, a better weapon (11 mt brave weapon that only costs -2 spd wth??)

e: oh right, and, and, and she comes with death blow. wow
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 03, 2017, 09:30:56 PM
Yeah, there's definitely a trend toward rarer/newer characters being way more powerful out of the box. You can tweak most characters to do most things so not being great from the start certainly doesn't make common characters useless, with the main exception being personal weapons. And Elincia has a hell of a personal weapon.

That said, Palla is pretty decent. Don't underestimate Ruby Sword, the jewel weapons are definitely extremely playable. Elincia is probably better, but Palla has an (admittedly niche) role as a defensive-ish green counter.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 04, 2017, 12:03:42 AM
no yeah, palla is totally fine, she's decent, but the only role she fulfills in my fliers right now is "well she deals with greens well I guess". I like her though so I'm going to see if I can't figure out something better for her. There's the fact that bulkiness is a little hard to appreciate with fliers since arrows evaporate you. She does feel quite sturdy though, especially with fury, I'll give her that.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2017, 01:42:37 AM
"Deals with greens I guess" is a great thing to do if you need something to do that. I mean yeah, you're not going to take any arrows, but you really shouldn't be trying to do that anyway. Palla's job is to fight Hectors and Amelias, and she should do s pretty great job of it. Throw Reposition and a flier buff on her and she'll have more than enough to do most of the time when there are no scary green units around.

You could also try to play a classic triangle team. Her, Subaki, a flying Emerald Axe wielder (Camilla would do a great job I think) or Green Azura, and some kind of wild card (I'd throw in a strong mage or a Brave Bow user) and you've got a very solid setup. In fact fliers seem especially well-suited for a team like this because they'll have an easier time than most other units maneuvering themselves into favorable matchups.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 04, 2017, 07:26:28 PM
the Deflect series says it reduces damage for consecutive attacks, which suggested to me to be defense against brave weapons, but does it also work for subsequent attacks like follow-up attacks when your speed is lower?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 04, 2017, 07:38:46 PM
the Deflect series says it reduces damage for consecutive attacks, which suggested to me to be defense against brave weapons, but does it also work for subsequent attacks like follow-up attacks when your speed is lower?

Depends. Are you attacking in between those hits? If you are, then no.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2017, 11:24:06 PM
Wait, really? Are you sure? I thought it worked against literally all attacks but the first. That's how Ike and that new horse guy work, right?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on November 04, 2017, 11:53:39 PM
Nah, it has to be consecutive attacks. Otherwise it would be beyond broken, although it's already pretty strong.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 06, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
It's driving me crazy that Dark Breath breaks the trend of some weapons having tier-two versions of existing abilities. Now that the Smoke abilities exist it makes sense that it would be equivalent to ATK Smoke 2, but unlike Smoke it only works after attacking, not after combat. Buff Dark Breath! Smoke Dagger works as expected, so what gives?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 07, 2017, 12:03:02 AM
oh right this is one of those few times when having friends actually means something, I'll be sending out friend requests again if people have space

is the unit that people see in gauntlet your defense lead or your current lead?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 07, 2017, 12:40:14 AM
Current lead I believe.

Edit: No  wait, no I don't. It's your main lead. The one in slot one who appears at the top of the screen on your castle screen.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 07, 2017, 02:38:03 AM
that makes sense

completed the infernal alm&celica with my fliers hinoka, camilla, palla, and gazura. I don't know how I did it, it just kinda happened. I do remember hinoka's sacred cowl coming in clutch though. I don't remember specifically why I put it on her a few months ago, what matchup to survive, but boy am I glad she had it.


and then I pulled a halloween nowi with those orbs I got!! Yayy nice, my first ranged flier! I'm almost sad though, my melee fliers carried me so far over the times.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 07, 2017, 02:24:09 PM
Got three 5*units from one roll on a 3.75% roll rate 2 who I didn't have and a dupe Halloween Jakob, the other two 5* were Mist and Halloween Nowi. Now I just need Halloween Henry and Halloween Sakura.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on November 07, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
finally got armored henry

jakob can eat shit, i'm done here
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on November 07, 2017, 07:19:37 PM
Tried pulling for Minerva, failed. Amelia is next up.  :fail:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on November 07, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
So far I've got two henry and a sakura

By which I mean two 4* normal henry and one 5* normal sakura
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 07, 2017, 10:38:52 PM
I threw about 50 stones for an Armored Henry, 25 for a regular Camilla, then about 80 for a red Nowi. Henry was -SPD +RES, Camilla was -ATK +SPD, and Nowi was -DEF +RES. Time to wait for Christmas.


Thoughts on who the Christmas people will be? The Robin/Tharja duo we saw before will probably be there. Most of them have usually been Awakening Fates. I'm guessing Male Corrin/Felicia for the other two. Male Corrin hasn't had a holiday thing yet, and neither did Felicia, despite being Awakening/Fates and being pretty popular.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 07, 2017, 11:02:49 PM
I think Flora has a decent shot. She's got ice-based powers and it wouldn't be the first time a new character has been introduced as a holiday variant before a normal version.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Chaore on November 07, 2017, 11:50:25 PM
God, I just realized the only seasonal banner to have actually diverse series in it was the bridal banner and even -then- it had fates/awakening still.

t-think we might get something else once they're out of their backlog? ;;
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 08, 2017, 12:03:31 AM
I think Flora has a decent shot. She's got ice-based powers and it wouldn't be the first time a new character has been introduced as a holiday variant before a normal version.

True. I'm surprised they haven't catered to the Felicia fans that much though. I don't think I've seen a more devoted group in FE. I haven't seen nearly as much stuff for Flora.

God, I just realized the only seasonal banner to have actually diverse series in it was the bridal banner and even -then- it had fates/awakening still.

t-think we might get something else once they're out of their backlog? ;;

That'd be nice. Though, while Awakening/Fates have gotten almost all of the holiday editions, that's all they've gotten, and that has its negatives too (RIP Inigo/Charlotte fans.) I'm just waiting on Mia atm, though that will be hell because she's red. The difference in difficulty sniping between colors is huge. I swear it takes me at least twice as many orbs to get a specific red orb as it does a green one.
I'm thinking they'll do Bridal Eirika at some point. Wasn't she in Awakening?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 08, 2017, 12:30:12 AM
If she was in Awakening then it's as a non-canon DLC cameo, which I think is true of a significant chunk of the Heroes cast.

Maybe Black Knight in green armor and wrapped in lights with a star on his head?

If I got to pick one long-shot aside from Camilla wearing a wrapping paper dress it would be Santa Wrys with a bad fake beard and a bag full of giftwrapped vulneraries.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 08, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
The last few Chain Challenges are REALLY horseshit. I just went into the final floor of 11+12-3 with 1.5 full teams remaining and still lost. Even my strongest Brave/Desperation characters couldn't even come close to one-shotting disadvantaged enemies.

Oh well, not a bad thing I guess. Means I always have something to work on. 
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2017, 05:43:17 PM
Halloween banner has broken the higher tiers of the arena. It's 100% Armor March teams 100% of the time now. Well, time to dust off Selena I guess.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 09, 2017, 06:13:51 PM
Halloween banner has broken the higher tiers of the arena. It's 100% Armor March teams 100% of the time now. Well, time to dust off Selena I guess.
Ugh...... no... why... can't they just be taken out by magic users?  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2017, 06:23:02 PM
Well, some of them have high resistance, and given that they're primarily fielded by whales they tend to have a very high rate of Distant Counter and often Wary Fighter or Vantage. Which means that while mages are helpful they're not a sure thing by any means since they tend to die from a sneeze from a massively buffed armor character. And the sets those characters tend to run make avoiding eating counter hits tricky. 

Selena may be niche, but at least she tends to take very little damage from most armor characters while being able to hit them pretty hard in return.

I've been considering running a Wo Dao+ set on Selena for a while because she seems well suited for it, but at this rate Armorslayer has a basically 100% hit rate so I might as well keep that...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 09, 2017, 06:36:15 PM
Well, some of them have high resistance, and given that they're primarily fielded by whales they tend to have a very high rate of Distant Counter and often Wary Fighter or Vantage. Which means that while mages are helpful they're not a sure thing by any means since they tend to die from a sneeze from a massively buffed armor character. And the sets those characters tend to run make avoiding eating counter hits tricky. 

Selena may be niche, but at least she tends to take very little damage from most armor characters while being able to hit them pretty hard in return.

I've been considering running a Wo Dao+ set on Selena for a while because she seems well suited for it, but at this rate Armorslayer has a basically 100% hit rate so I might as well keep that...
Oh right... shit.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2017, 07:00:41 PM
(https://imgur.com/u8vHt2G.png)

Oof yup, immediate next battle was against an armor team, and counters don't get harder than that. And she's even a featured unit right now. Convenient.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 09, 2017, 10:24:10 PM
I don't find armor teams that bad. Usually the AI doesn't keep them together. I'd rather deal with than the cavalry blademages/Lyn. How do you guys break into tier 20 with dancers? I usually use Xander/Reinhardt, so I need to get as many stats as I can to try and reach 695, so I have to throw in Brave Ike and the featured Askr unit.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on November 09, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
(https://puu.sh/yiwLB/124479b02f.jpg)

I use Lancina/BraveIke/DancerInigo as my core for arena and regularly seesaw between 19 and 20. As long as I get a no death streak, going from 19 to 20 is guaranteed. No merges, but full SI for everyone. I usually make the bonus unit red if possible for coverage - using Arvis right now.
I love running into armor teams because they give me more points and my units are tanky enough to take hits on enemy phase. All mage teams are my bane, especially on maps with obstacles where I can't just walk up to them and smack them to death. I rarely run into full cav teams anymore, but Lyn and Reinhardt are splashed into a lot of mixed teams.

As for the recent proliferation of armors on defense, I figure now that people can make full armor teams they're starting to realize how much easier it is to get defenses with them. I've been running one for a while, and as an example, for the first two days of this gauntlet I got over 10 defenses. So I decided I'd switch to my flier team for a change, and since then I've gotten no new defenses. Feels bad man.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 10, 2017, 04:28:18 AM
I don't find armor teams that bad. Usually the AI doesn't keep them together. I'd rather deal with than the cavalry blademages/Lyn.

Armor is only really a problem on certain maps. Any map with a bunch of clutter and a lot of fortified spaces can create bad situations. And given that they make up basically 100% of all arena teams it's inevitable to run into one on one of those maps eventually. All things considered I think mixed cavalry teams are much more powerful and harder to deal with though. Nothing ruins a run like Reinhardt and Brave Lyn plus a dancer.

How do you guys break into tier 20 with dancers? I usually use Xander/Reinhardt, so I need to get as many stats as I can to try and reach 695, so I have to throw in Brave Ike and the featured Askr unit.

I'm honestly not really sure. My Camilla is +2, maybe that helps? I definitely don't go out of my way to make sure my stats say high, but they hover around 692 which is enough to easily get me into rank 20 but nowhere near high enough so I can STAY in rank 20.

As for the recent proliferation of armors on defense, I figure now that people can make full armor teams they're starting to realize how much easier it is to get defenses with them. I've been running one for a while, and as an example, for the first two days of this gauntlet I got over 10 defenses. So I decided I'd switch to my flier team for a change, and since then I've gotten no new defenses. Feels bad man.

Yeah, I tend to just keep my offense arena team in my defense slot and I almost never get wins. One every two weeks if I'm lucky...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 10, 2017, 03:09:39 PM
I was on Team Soren, but I just finished reading through the lp of both tellius games and now I'm even sadder! I really like him. My impression of Takumi still remains 'unnuanced emo asshat' but considering I have yet to actually beat conquest (even the level where he supposedly ... does things, as I understand), let alone the other two games, I'll reserve my judgement of how sad I am that we lost.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 10, 2017, 03:13:02 PM
As someone who doesn't really care about any of these characters, all I want is to be for Takumi to not win because he is garbage.

I'm going to guess Soren was victim of the last second catchup mechanic comeback or something? Or is Worst Brother Ever really more popular?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 10, 2017, 03:20:55 PM
yes, but not quite in the last minute turnabout way. Looks like team soren held back a little too long or pushed too early and started the bonus round too early for it to push past takumi. There was about an hour after the bonus time ended where Takumi just kinda sat there and won. Score otherwise seemed quite close to my eyes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 10, 2017, 03:44:06 PM
LOL I was on team Takumi, but to be honest I would of rather been on team Ryoma more than Takumi if Ryoma didn't lose to Soren, you Soren fans really had put up a fight though you guys did a good job.  :D

Edit: So why did Hinoka lost to Shanna I mean... she's getting creamed by Takumi voters everywhere..... anti-climatic final match up would you say.... would of been better for Hinoka VS Takumi that would of been some lit shit right there.  :V
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 10, 2017, 04:04:45 PM
Comeback mechanic is so powerful that it basically makes the winner a coin flip honestly. It keeps things interesting and has neat implications for individual players' overall scores, but it makes the actual winners pretty random.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 10, 2017, 04:18:22 PM
Comeback mechanic is so powerful that it basically makes the winner a coin flip honestly. It keeps things interesting and has neat implications for individual players' overall scores, but it makes the actual winners pretty random.
Yeah... that's the only thing I don't like about the random increase score.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 10, 2017, 04:21:34 PM
Yeah... that's the only thing I don't like about the random increase score.

For what it's worth, the score increase is not random. It's predictable, but taking advantage of it seems to be basically impossible for an individual player since it would require so much coordination.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 10, 2017, 04:29:52 PM
For what it's worth, the score increase is not random. It's predictable, but taking advantage of it seems to be basically impossible for an individual player since it would require so much coordination.
to that end, it would seem like the ebbs of the multipliers are just a little more controlled maybe on characters that are less hyper popular, with a dedicated fan base, but are in an unclear matchup. Considering that the matches between two of these sorts of characters were the more exciting ones for the community anyway, I think gauntlets have managed to retain some of their charm even with the bonuses screwing up the more bigger matchups.

example of a character that was none of these that the bonuses really screwed up: shanna.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 10, 2017, 04:42:31 PM
I mean, Splatoon's Splatfests work similarly and it's not a big problem. I don't mean to be overly critical, this just seems to be the way Nintendo likes to do things and that's fine. Prevents boring steamrollings.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 10, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
Wat? Really? That's dumb, I am actually genuinely curious about random nonsense like whether people like waffles or pancakes better.

Splatfests don't need better score systems to prevent steamrolls, they need better themes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 10, 2017, 05:08:24 PM
I dislike the comeback mechanic. It makes it harder to get invested in this sort of things. I say this as someone who joined team Sorin for feathers and then jumped to team Shanna. Now if I support he more popular unit(RIP Ryoma fans), I get screwed in feathers, and I'm not even guaranteed the victory.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on November 10, 2017, 11:13:03 PM
The last few Chain Challenges are REALLY horseshit. I just went into the final floor of 11+12-3 with 1.5 full teams remaining and still lost. Even my strongest Brave/Desperation characters couldn't even come close to one-shotting disadvantaged enemies.

Oh well, not a bad thing I guess. Means I always have something to work on. 
I just cleared the last orb-bearing chain challenge maps today, since I finally caved in and built a 5* Reinhardt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3By9buTnXw
This guy helped me out a ton, and if you have a Julia or a res blessed Sonia or Soren or something (http://i.imgur.com/xFkqLPU.jpg) then so can you. He has guides for all the maps.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on November 11, 2017, 02:44:14 AM
Only using one team for 11-12 chain and not losing any units, that's pretty impressive, even more so because he had no fliers for the mountain map.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2017, 03:06:36 AM
I've been finding the mountain map to actually be one of the easier of the later chapters, but that's pretty much because the team I've been leading with (Lyn, Brave Lyn, Inigo, Wrys) causes the AI to act weird and funnel all of their units toward one side while ignoring the other in a way that lets Brave Lyn just snipe them all as they come along. I don't know why it does that, it has a blue cavalry that starts close to where my Lyn and Wrys are and if it just sent it toward them instead of going toward the farther away enemies I would definitely lose them both...

Still haven't cleared either of the last two final stages, but I've been getting closer and closer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 12, 2017, 02:56:57 AM
I have never seen such a scary stalemate at all in a voting gauntlet, both Shanna and Takumi fans are dishing it out hardcore both have like 51 mil votes, but Takumi is hanging onto the lead... I'm pretty much scared shitless at this point.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 12, 2017, 05:18:04 AM
Hah. Shanna won. I wanted more bonuses though. I held on to my feathers too long expecting bonuses.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2017, 05:24:18 AM
I did the same.  :D Decided to try a different strategy and withhold all of my flags for big boosts in the first and third rounds and ended up spending tons for no multiplier at the end. And I had 100 flags left at the end.

Well, as nice as it is when male characters win these for a change I'm glad Takumi didn't win 'cause he's trash.  :V Soren would have been nice though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on November 12, 2017, 05:26:06 AM
(https://puu.sh/yka4R/954b791cb9.png)
That curve at the end though. Curious to know the reason why that happened.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Edible on November 12, 2017, 05:40:29 AM
Seemed to even out as they turned off the weaker/stronger bonus, I suppose.  Cool data visualization.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 12, 2017, 05:46:28 AM
might've been team takumi holding onto feathers for a bonus that never happened, that was a shockingly close round, how good, how good
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 12, 2017, 07:11:19 AM
might've been team takumi holding onto feathers for a bonus that never happened, that was a shockingly close round, how good, how good

I'm willing to bet most of the people waiting for a bonus were on Shanna's team. What happened at the end was people on Shanna's team realizing they weren't getting anymore bonuses and burning their flags. I was one of them :(
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 12, 2017, 11:08:13 PM
Eh... grats team Shanna.  To be honest I wasn't expecting them to hand out a bonus towards the end although I was hurling flags for team Takumi to get a strong lead, but when I saw it was at a stalemate I sensed that something was gonna give by the time I got off yesterday.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Tamashii Kanjou on November 13, 2017, 09:42:15 AM
When Hinoka lost, I was a little annoyed, and sided with Shanna... didn't expect her to actually win the whole thing, but oh well...

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to pull our cutest little witch... and failing ><
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 13, 2017, 11:22:56 PM
Alright, finally pulled Halloween Nowi. Great because I finally have a Flier Emblem team (HNowi+BCorrin+SCamilla+Camilla or GAzura), terrible because... I mean come on, she's pretty bad.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on November 13, 2017, 11:51:30 PM
The curse of the red mage stat spread. I run her as a hone bot with the spd + 3 seal, so with her decent attack she can at least take care of low res greens. I also kept her Grimoire and added escape route so she can essentially warp at any HP. In the end though, she's mostly there as support for my melee fliers.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 12:35:57 AM
I meant aesthetically bad. :D I actually think as a unit she's pretty good despite the slightly unfortunate stat spread. I think Atk/Res bond is pretty powerful although I know it's more popular to run her with Fury.

Not sure if I'm going to stick with Grimoire or give her Raorblade, but if I do keep Grimoire I'll probably steal your idea on Escape Route. That seems smart.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 14, 2017, 12:39:36 AM
Really? Red's certainly the worst mage color, but HNowi has the best stat spread, weapon, and skills out of the 3 mage fliers right now. Atk/Res Bond gives her a huge boost to her res, which is already the best of the 3, and makes her able to tank even blue mages. It's also a great skill because it works in the enemy phase, which is something fliers really need against enemy mages. Her weapon's also clearly the best, fliers will always enjoy having greater mobility (I'm not even running GAzura because of this), and also incidentally has the highest MT of the 3 mage flier weapons, giving her the highest attack. She also has good speed, but both speed and attack tend not to mean much of anything in a hone/goad flier team, which is what makes the Res boost that much more delicious.

e: ninja'd, but my point still stands
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 01:14:21 AM
Looks like my HNowi is +HP/-DEF. That's tolerable.

Meanwhile, I found a level 40 Raven in the training tower with the lowest attack I have EVER seen:

(https://imgur.com/HFlgFsg.png)

His theoretical minimum with a Brave Axe at level 40 should be 37...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 14, 2017, 01:25:19 AM
What's so bad about HNowi's stat spread? Her 32 speed is only 2 less than Corrin and she has 3 more attack than her. In terms of offensive spread, she beats out pretty much every other mounted mage except for Summer Corrin and Hollow Henry. Maybe Linde and Nino beat her out, but Nowi gets to benefit from Hone Fliers, which will give her a two point boost over people using rallys and hones.

I don't think Red mages are that bad, they just don't have consistent prey.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 01:37:49 AM
SCorrin isn't exactly good or widely used, so being better than her isn't anything special. I'm not sure I've ever seen her used seriously, although I intend to try it myself here soon.

Nowi's stats just aren't as minmaxed as they could be. Def and Res are a bit too high, although if you're running Atk/Res Bond and Fortify Fliers (which I'm planning to) then the Resist is helpful. A Res tank isn't exactly what Flier Emblem teams need, but it's usable.

As for red mages, I'm actually a big fan of them. I use Celica, Arvis and Tharja all fairly often. They all have good matchups against every armor unit including Black Knight, and they beat a lot of potentially problematic popular units like both Ikes. Everything that they match up terribly against (Reinhardt, Brave Lyn, Linde) gets pantsed by Camilla, who's on all of my teams anyway, so they fit in well for me personally.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on November 14, 2017, 02:07:37 AM
well what fliers need is a good answer to bow units during enemy phase, which SCamilla comes the closest to with Iote's Shield (besides like a distant counter Beruka for the lols), but even she has trouble not being slaughtered by brave Lyn, either because of getting quaded by brave bows, or having bonuses denied by Mulagir. And as long as they don't provide an answer unit for this, which honestly isn't a huuuge problem (though depending on the map), they seem pretty interchangeable for the most part.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 02:49:22 AM
Yeah, I use SCamilla with Iote's Shield, and with Fortify Fliers she's pretty buff. Brave Lyn is definitely a problem, I think I can confidently say she's the hardest counter there is to Flier Emblem, but a melee flier can still chew her up.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on November 14, 2017, 03:32:50 AM
SCorrin isn't exactly good or widely used, so being better than her isn't anything special. I'm not sure I've ever seen her used seriously, although I intend to try it myself here soon.

Nowi's stats just aren't as minmaxed as they could be. Def and Res are a bit too high, although if you're running Atk/Res Bond and Fortify Fliers (which I'm planning to) then the Resist is helpful. A Res tank isn't exactly what Flier Emblem teams need, but it's usable.

As for red mages, I'm actually a big fan of them. I use Celica, Arvis and Tharja all fairly often. They all have good matchups against every armor unit including Black Knight, and they beat a lot of potentially problematic popular units like both Ikes. Everything that they match up terribly against (Reinhardt, Brave Lyn, Linde) gets pantsed by Camilla, who's on all of my teams anyway, so they fit in well for me personally.

I've seen SCorrin and SCamilla both touted as great bladetomers several times. Camilla in particular surprised me. Fliers in general aren't common, and Corrin is a limited unit. She's seen as pretty good though. There are 5 mages faster than she is and they're all infantry. When you factor in hones, the only person who still beats her is Bridal Caeda. She ties with Spring Lucina and Linde. Fliers have everything they need imo. They just need to be cheaper. Hone being locked to 5*s hurts a lot.
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Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 03:57:08 AM
Yeah, it's possible my evaluation is just way off. I've never owned Hone Fliers before and I'm not interested in Horsey Emblem so it's entirely possible I'll change my mind once I've used Hone Fliers a bit more. Previously my favorite ~Blade tech has been Ephraim with Rally Def/Res and Hone Spd, but Ephraim is otherwise kind of mediocre so this may be much better.
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Post by: Mеа on November 14, 2017, 04:15:57 AM
Yeah, the Stone siblings can only get a blade user +3+13, while a single hone unit can get a blade user +6+12, and you have that buffer unit free to move and an assist slot open.
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 14, 2017, 04:36:22 AM
Yeah, the Stone siblings can only get a blade user +3+13, while a single hone unit can get a blade user +6+12, and you have that buffer unit free to move and an assist slot open.

Yeah, and then there's the part where you get both a hone and a fortify on your bladetome mount. You should try it at least once. Olwen laughs at Reinhardt damage with it.
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Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
So notably Nowi's Grimoire teleport doesn't actually work as advertised. It says "ally within 2 spaces" but what it actually means seems to be "ally within Nowi's movement range" since it doesn't work normally when her movement is reduced. I suppose that probably means the opposite is true as well and she would become crazy mobile if her move was increased.

Not likely to come up, but for what it's worth.

Edit: Ha ha what the fuck, Hone Fliers is so bullshit. Unfortunately my Flier Emblem team has a pretty low stat total, so I'm not sure how useful it will be, but it's fun and powerful.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 14, 2017, 06:45:25 PM
So notably Nowi's Grimoire teleport doesn't actually work as advertised. It says "ally within 2 spaces" but what it actually means seems to be "ally within Nowi's movement range" since it doesn't work normally when her movement is reduced. I suppose that probably means the opposite is true as well and she would become crazy mobile if her move was increased.
So I tried to test this out because it's different from what I've experienced. I used the first map of chain challenge 2 and stuck Nowi in front of Leo so she would get hit by gravity and her movement got reduced to 1. However, the warp still seems to work like before.
(https://puu.sh/ylZGM/9633c7e137.png)
Can you elaborate on what happened in your case so I can try to replicate your situation?
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Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 06:55:00 PM
I should've screencapped it but it didn't occur to me. Based on how it seemed to work for me you wouldn't be able to move to that one square in the lower left there. But it's entirely possible I'm overlooking some other factor or just wrong, since that picture definitely isn't consistent with what I thought I was seeing.

If I see anything that indicates otherwise I'll make sure to actually get a picture.
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 14, 2017, 07:48:57 PM
I should've screencapped it but it didn't occur to me. Based on how it seemed to work for me you wouldn't be able to move to that one square in the lower left there. But it's entirely possible I'm overlooking some other factor or just wrong, since that picture definitely isn't consistent with what I thought I was seeing.

If I see anything that indicates otherwise I'll make sure to actually get a picture.

Is it possible it was blocked by an enemy unit with Obstruct? I forget that skill exists 95+% of the time, so I so I don't realize what's happening when it's in effect.
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Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2017, 08:41:26 PM
Conceivably, although aren't squares you can't move into because of Obstruct highlighted?
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 15, 2017, 03:08:36 AM
Conceivably, although aren't squares you can't move into because of Obstruct highlighted?

Don't think so, otherwise, I'd wonder why they were highlighted rather than why I couldn't move there.
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Post by: Mеа on November 15, 2017, 03:31:17 AM
No, obstruct squares have that same light blue highlight, which may have been a cause of confusion maybe
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 15, 2017, 03:34:54 AM
No Joshua blocked Mia. Feelsgood.

HEALER BUFFS PogChamp
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Post by: MewMewHeart on November 15, 2017, 03:48:08 AM
Healer buffs!~ <3

Weapon upgrades... WHO WANTS BROKEN BS!!!!

8% starting for legendary hero event on the 27th!

Mystery new protag with ice powers and we get her after chapter 2 of the new book, yay!
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Post by: Mеа on November 15, 2017, 03:59:52 AM
It's about time healer got a buff

Weapon refinement is a really nice mechanic to implement, since they now have a system in place to adjust weapon balance as the game evolves and power creeps old ones. It might also be IS's way of addressing disappointing IVs without actually turning the current way they're handled into something else entirely, which I think is a pretty creative solution.
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Post by: commandercool on November 15, 2017, 04:12:35 AM
What a cute owl.  :V

I've been wondering for a while if there would ever be a rebalance wave for all of the crappy early heroes, and weapon refinement seems like a potentially great way of handling that since a surprisingly large number of them have personal weapons. And added customizability is always good, even if it's inevitably mostly going to tend toward MORE ATTACK!

So does this mean they'll actually be resolving the main plot and introducing a new plot with new characters? That's great given how badly the story has been dragging. Hopefully that means the major villains will become playable relatively soon too.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 15, 2017, 05:23:41 AM
That was pretty hype. Do we actually have a timeline for when all the updates are going to hit? It wasn't clear in the video.
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Post by: 7TC7 on November 15, 2017, 09:41:27 AM
...when you try to get Lute and instead pull a different blue 5-star every second draw.
Hi Roderick, Nephenee and Dupe-Azura. Not complaining, just slightly baffled.

Can't wait for all these changes to take place. Some of this stuff sounds like it could be really interesting.
Wonder if more Specials will be used, now that their cooldown has been reduced.
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Post by: commandercool on November 15, 2017, 01:23:01 PM
I think I missed that part. Specials are getting their cooldowns reduced? Which ones?

On one hand neat, they're pretty imbalanced, but on the other hand that seems like it pushes things even *further* into the valley of hyper-aggro one-shot. Reinhardt is hard enough to tank as it is without 1-CD Moonbow or something...
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Post by: 7TC7 on November 15, 2017, 03:12:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7u674r0.jpg)

It's mostly those that had 5 turns before, the ones that heal and stuff like that.
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Post by: commandercool on November 15, 2017, 03:31:07 PM
Ooh, spicy! Moonbow has some stiff competition in Glimmer which went from stone-cold garbage to potentially actually the best special in the game.

I wonder if this'll be enough to make the healing skills playable. Probably at least a little.

Moonbow is no longer the default for pretty much everything, that's good.
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Post by: Edible on November 15, 2017, 08:07:13 PM
Noontime on one of those ranged tanks might be extremely good.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on November 15, 2017, 08:32:32 PM
Astra with a 4 turn cooldown fuck yeah!  :D
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Post by: commandercool on November 15, 2017, 08:40:54 PM
Astra still seems like a pretty hard sell. I'm more of a fan of Glacies and Ignis than most, but the biggest benefit of those is that the huge raw damage boost lets defensive or Brave weapon characters win matchups that they shouldn't (Camilla one-shots a vast majority of red units if she can manage to nail them with Glacies). I don't think Astra really does anything in cases like that, does it? Not sure where it would be best used.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 15, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
The main issue with Glimmer has always been that it's a win more sort of skill since it scales off of your calculated damage rather than raw stats or enemy defenses or anything like that. But now that it's 2 CD, it could be great for blade tome mages, who usually output enough damage to bypass most enemy defenses anyway and could use the extra damage against high HP enemies or something without having to use a high CD special.
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Post by: BT on November 15, 2017, 08:58:29 PM
8% you say? Don't care. Let's try for Mia.
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 15, 2017, 10:18:08 PM
I tried going for Mia, and got Leo instead.
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Post by: Chaore on November 16, 2017, 03:07:18 AM
acquired lute, feh is now won
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Post by: MewMewHeart on November 16, 2017, 01:34:21 PM
Tried to go for Lute as a free roll ended up getting a 4* Tailtu, ok game. Then got a 4* Roderick from another free roll.
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Post by: Mеа on November 16, 2017, 01:41:08 PM
Takumi being a lilbich in that infernal map just like in his own gaamme. Grinding up sp to give galeforce to Camilla and see how that changes things. This map would probably be a lot easier if I had a raudrblade to give nowi.
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Post by: commandercool on November 16, 2017, 02:09:11 PM
I managed to beat Infernal with the new Flier Emblem team, but I had to put Goad Fliers on Camilla to do it. Really wish you could set different skill sets for different teams given that I use her on basically every team I play and only need Goad Fliers for this one, but oh well.

Also occurs that I probably could have avoided needing to do that by swapping out the Distant Defense 3 seal that I usually have on Easter Camilla for Speed 3. Since I wouldn't be eating two hits anyway and one wouldn't have killed me I don't think it would matter. Although another Goad Fliers is very handy, if course.
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Post by: Mеа on November 16, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
Galeforce did the trick, infernal, it wasn't that bad actually. It wasn't pure fliers because GAzura, but still counts. I might keep it on her to see how well it works, also since both my nowi and Palla have WoM. The latter I've been deliberating between WoM and swordbreaker for a long while so this may help.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 16, 2017, 09:18:34 PM
Had trouble with this until I stuck DD3 seal on Hector and it became easy mode.

I like how the newer BHB maps are based off of actual maps. This is the one where you fight Reina and Scarlet, right?
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Post by: Mеа on November 16, 2017, 11:00:42 PM
Speaking of which, I just remembered, I need to say that it feels really nice to be playing a game that is on top of its updates, as in having simultaneous updates everywhere. This having come from PAD where we have to wait several months before finally getting what JP gets, and also yugioh which is worse where not only do we have to wait several months to catch up, we don't even get all the cards they get sometimes, having to wait entire years for some it's so stupid. It feels really, really nice. It feels like you're actually a part of or even closer to the game.
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Post by: BT on November 17, 2017, 08:23:52 AM
Speaking of which, I just remembered, I need to say that it feels really nice to be playing a game that is on top of its updates, as in having simultaneous updates everywhere. This having come from PAD where we have to wait several months before finally getting what JP gets, and also yugioh which is worse where not only do we have to wait several months to catch up, we don't even get all the cards they get sometimes, having to wait entire years for some it's so stupid. It feels really, really nice. It feels like you're actually a part of or even closer to the game.
I've always liked how this game does things, but lately I'm thinking that they're blowing their load, you know, showing their power creep, running out of new units to reveal, dumping a bunch of new resource types... I feel like lately they're showing all their cards in their attempt to keep people interested. I'm not sure where we go from here, and I see myself stop playing in a few months tops.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 17, 2017, 09:38:19 PM
I don't think running out of new units is a real issue considering how many units FE has, and when FE switch comes out we'll get switch units for sure. New resource types make sense for the new upgrades as well. To me, this goes in hand with the powercreep - if new content is to be increasingly challenging, then player units need a fair chance to accomplish the new content, hence more powerful new units and upgrades for old units. I'm assuming here that we'll get upgrades later for some of the old units that got passed over this time, like Roy, Jeorge etc. I've played enough gachas/CCGs that my viewpoint here may be a bit warped though, since I'm used to the powercreep cycle.

My main concern is where they go with new game content from here. No matter how many new maps you add, they'll inevitably be cleared once you've reached a certain point in your collection, and after you've played them once there's no need to play them again. So that leads to a point where you have checkmarks on all the maps, all quests completed, and stamina sitting at full, where there's nothing to do with the new characters you want to roll because you've already cleared everything. I think Tempest was an attempt to address this by adding a "grinding" mode, but I've always been mixed on grinding events and the rewards are capped anyway. Chain challenges and squad assaults are good, but once again they're one time only deals. You could have self-imposed challenge runs, but it's not as interesting as in a regular FE game because of the simplified mechanics.

So to me, the solution is new game modes and/or new events where you can use these shiny new units you've just rolled. A tighter cycle of events just to keep players busy would be nice, even if they're as simple as tempest/gauntlet. Preferably they would release BHBs more often than once a month; I understand there's a constraint in pumping out GHBs in that you're also releasing a new unit but you can pump out BHBs comparatively easily. They could even put out reruns more frequently so there's always a BHB rerun running at all times.

As for more persistent content, there's only so much you can do here due to the nature of FE, and Arena assault already fulfills everything you want if you just want to face other player units (of course, you could try live PVP, but it'll just be people dancing around forever like in Fates PVP). But to me, part of the fun of FE is dealing with clever enemy unit placement in combination with the map, and AA is mostly stat checks and counterplay. One thing I've thought about is a Tower of Valni-type dungeon, where you have semi-randomized unit placement, but with absurdly min-maxed enemies for maximum difficulty - like Tempest Trials but on steroids. Then, at certain levels in the dungeon you'd have a treasure chest that randomly draws from a pool of rewards - maybe badges or seals or any of the new resources they're introducing. And maybe you'd get an exclusive character for clearing the dungeon. Anyway, there are a lot of ways to mess with this and it's one way of providing "grindable" content that isn't forced or time limited, but still has incentives for repeating over and over again and maybe some exclusive rewards for X clears.

Another idea I had, and one that will never get implemented, is to have a sort of user-submitted repository for challenge maps. Maybe you could have a contest that accepts submissions from the community with certain themes or constraints for each contest, and just release the winners at regular intervals. Or you could have some sort of interface that browses user-submitted maps and lets players rate them - this would require some sort of moderation though so it's highly unlikely.

Anyway there are a lot of ideas IS can use for new content. I'm excited to see what they will do with Book 2 but I'm assuming it's just new story maps, so I'm interested in when they'll think about new modes/events and such with an eye on providing more persistent content for players.
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 18, 2017, 03:48:02 AM
I've always liked how this game does things, but lately I'm thinking that they're blowing their load, you know, showing their power creep, running out of new units to reveal, dumping a bunch of new resource types... I feel like lately they're showing all their cards in their attempt to keep people interested. I'm not sure where we go from here, and I see myself stop playing in a few months tops.

I disagree. They had a big reveal, but most of them were answering complaints that people have had since launch. Healers have been, are, and will still probably be garbage. Most of the "effective against" weapons weren't worth using especially when they weren't against the thing they were meant to fight. A lot of the old units weapons feel subpar compared to the newer units (Compare Seliph to Sigurd, Brave Roy to his dad.) The story, if you care about it, has been pretty slow. Many of the whales haven't had a lot to do lately.

They still have a lot to reveal. We're still missing two "Lord" level characters in Leif and Micaiah, as well as fan favorites like L'Arachel and Owain(Odin doesn't count.) Book 2 will probably give them another year too. New units and buffs will go a long way. I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a different event besides gauntlet's and TT. TT is so grindy, and I dislike the randomness of the gauntlets.
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Post by: 7TC7 on November 20, 2017, 05:34:21 PM
https://twitter.com/FEHeroes_News/status/931418494767214592

Above tweet mentions an "Children of Fate" Banner for the beginning of december. I don't think we heard about this before, and I think what this Banner will contain kinda speaks for itself.
I have no idea which of the Fates Child Characters are most popular? Any expectations of who we are most likely to get?
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Post by: commandercool on November 20, 2017, 05:53:57 PM
I think Kanna and Shigure (first flying singer?) are basically guaranteed. Assuming it's four characters my guess would be Rhajat and Midori or something for the remainding slots? Kanna as red, Shigure as blue, Rhajat as a green mage, and Midori as an archer?

The Fates DLC campaign revolves around the child characters, doesn't it? Who's a major player in that campaign aside from Kanna and Shigure?
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Post by: Edible on November 20, 2017, 06:47:57 PM
Let's Go Best Girl Cynthia!!!

... Oh, wrong game?  Well, they already put Shigure in, so Kana M/F is probably a given (maybe both).  Maybe the reincarnation anagram kids?
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Post by: BT on November 20, 2017, 09:24:20 PM
I think Kanna and Shigure (first flying singer?) are basically guaranteed. Assuming it's four characters my guess would be Rhajat and Midori or something for the remainding slots? Kanna as red, Shigure as blue, Rhajat as a green mage, and Midori as an archer?

The Fates DLC campaign revolves around the child characters, doesn't it? Who's a major player in that campaign aside from Kanna and Shigure?
Let's Go Best Girl Cynthia!!!

... Oh, wrong game?  Well, they already put Shigure in, so Kana M/F is probably a given (maybe both).  Maybe the reincarnation anagram kids?
Inigo and Owain's kids are a shoo-in imo. Probably Forrest too, or one of Ryoma/Xander's kids.
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Post by: Mеа on November 21, 2017, 10:00:24 AM
mmmhh I was really hoping the distant def seal would make its return but instead there's a close def seal which I can't say is quite as good. Well armor emblem is starting to be a thing so it may not be as irrelevant than it may have been before the halloween banner.
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Post by: Mеа on November 23, 2017, 05:40:05 PM
I made a team collage tool for android (here's (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chkansaku.fehteamcollagegen) a link to the google play page) if you ever need to use it for something.

Let's you do stuff like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/3V0xkOE.png.png)

first time putting something out on google play or on the internet in general some I'm kinda scared, but if something's breaky, let me know and hopefully I can get percussive maintenance it back or something

e: the old link was taken down because the logo was essentially the feh logo with a camera symbol on top, which I'll be honest I kinda saw coming but was annoying anyway. Twas a good learning experience however everever. The link is fixed though, so feel free to try it out now.
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Post by: Edible on November 23, 2017, 05:59:04 PM
Oh shit, that looks sweet.  I'll grab it and check it out.
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Post by: commandercool on November 23, 2017, 07:19:43 PM
Likewise! Looks pretty fancy.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on November 23, 2017, 07:25:21 PM
I vlike it makes the thing more readable 10/10!
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Post by: Mеа on November 23, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
yeah... apparently some phones are 2longg so they get extra fluff on top and below. So now I have to go make sure people can define the crop rect themselves if necessary, kinda unfortunate but such is mobile dev I guess. It's a good experience if anything.
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Post by: commandercool on November 24, 2017, 02:17:55 PM
"Hmm, this Michalis battle on Infernal is pretty tough. None of of the strategies I've tried so far have really gotten close.

Oh wait duh, I have a Flier Emblem team now."

-First try clear with Flier Emblem.

Balanced!

Edit:
(https://imgur.com/ByoZv86.png)

Collage tool lookin' good!
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Post by: BT on November 24, 2017, 09:28:14 PM
The app crashed on my phone after I picked an image. I have a Xiaomi MI 5s, in case someone else here runs into this problem. I sent you more detailed specs in PM.
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Post by: Mеа on November 24, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
that's unfortunate, but thanks a lot! I'll take a look at it a little later
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Post by: Mеа on November 25, 2017, 10:34:17 AM
new update: I did the thing where you can now control the crop upper and lower bounds, for those silly contrarian people that have long long phones. Go update if you need it.

e: I didn't check your pm yet BT since I was doing this, I'll go check it out now
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Post by: BT on November 25, 2017, 01:35:53 PM
new update: I did the thing where you can now control the crop upper and lower bounds, for those silly contrarian people that have long long phones. Go update if you need it.

e: I didn't check your pm yet BT since I was doing this, I'll go check it out now
It's cool, I'm not in a hurry, just wanted to let you know there was a problem.


I'm training up Joshua right now. He's a fun unit. Strong and resilient.
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Post by: Mеа on November 26, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but if you have zero ways of baiting a bow lyn, then trying to deal with a Draw Back brave lyn + any dancer is next to impossible. Especially if there's a third horse unit she'll be pulling back (probably reinhardt). Some unit charges forward, BrLyn uses draw back -- which in itself is annoying since the enemy is retreating away from your space -- but she gets back into dancer range to nuke someone in your team, I think it's an incredible defense setup.

I think what you have to do is directly bait out that BrLyn's initial attack so she doesn't use draw back. Although now that I think about it, any ranged nuke horse with draw back + dancer unit seems really dangerous.
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Post by: commandercool on November 26, 2017, 03:59:31 PM
It helps if you bait Lyn or whoever away from the rest of their team. She'll try to move toward fliers just about whenever possible, so I tend to use Camilla to peel her off and dispatch her. It can get really messy when the enemy team has three strong cavalry units so separating them just gives them coverage over the entire map, but as long as the map cooperates (and the more fliers I have the less I care about the map) it usually works fine.
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Post by: Mеа on November 26, 2017, 10:18:08 PM
ah yeah well the map was the one the vertical map with the defense tiles zigzag the middle two columns with breakable wall columns to the left and right. Lyn was in the middle, so there was no way she wasn't going to just charge right down. That and, you know, all fliers, but yeah baiting still works if the map allows it, she goes for my nowi I think with the lowest def.

I was planning on holding on to my orbs, but I might try rolling greens in the 8% banner for either SCam or distant counterman.
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Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2017, 02:27:05 AM
Are you running an Iote's Shield? I'm running it on BunCam but it still doesn't let her tank Brave Lyn basically ever unfortunately. On Subaki or Beruka or something that can actually benefit from flier boosts against Lyn you could at least tank her, although not kill her on the backswing since Distant Counter occupies the same slot and she's immune to it anyway.

And yeah, I'm planning on going crazy on green during the 8% banner. Seems like it's got the biggest upside for me.
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Post by: Mеа on November 27, 2017, 03:54:37 AM
No, I'm not actually because with Brave Lyn with brave bow it makes no difference (yeah).

But a 5* Beruka with either +HP or +Def (and no banes in either) can just barely tank one hit from a maximally attackerific Atk nature Brave Lyn's Mulagir with +6 from death blow. If equipped with Deflect Missile, Beruka can tank the first Brave Bow attack too. To avoid dying on the second hit, you have to give Beruka distant counter and the new 2cd Glimmer and a slaying axe+. It's a pretty expensive investment, but it also allows you to tank a maximally attackerific Reinhardt's first hit and kill him on your counter too, so two stones with one bird.

e: wait she's immune to what?
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Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2017, 04:32:15 AM
Sacae's Blessing (B)

If foe has sword, lance, or axe, foe cannot counterattack.
(Skill cannot be inherited.)

As far as I know people tend to run it, too. I can't remember seeing a Brave Lyn with something else in the B slot.
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Post by: Mеа on November 27, 2017, 05:13:03 AM
oh shoot! I forgot about that skill, well this changes things. I don't suppose there's a skill that negates it either, time to rethink things

SCam can do it with bowbreaker and iote's shield... is what I thought, but bowbreaker isn't inheritable by flying units I forgot orz. There's legit no answer to her in enemy phase for fliers wow, I'm kind of baffled.

e: might have jumped the gun on that conclusion. There's still like moonbow gronnwolf or something like that, so it's not like there's no way
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 27, 2017, 09:00:09 AM
Sacae's Blessing (B)

If foe has sword, lance, or axe, foe cannot counterattack.
(Skill cannot be inherited.)

As far as I know people tend to run it, too. I can't remember seeing a Brave Lyn with something else in the B slot.

Some people like to run Firesweep/Cancel Affinity
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Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2017, 11:08:48 AM
oh shoot! I forgot about that skill, well this changes things. I don't suppose there's a skill that negates it either, time to rethink things

SCam can do it with bowbreaker and iote's shield... is what I thought, but bowbreaker isn't inheritable by flying units I forgot orz. There's legit no answer to her in enemy phase for fliers wow, I'm kind of baffled.

e: might have jumped the gun on that conclusion. There's still like moonbow gronnwolf or something like that, so it's not like there's no way

Yeah, I had the same thought about Bowbreaker on BunCam but it can't be equipped. Laaame.

Some people like to run Firesweep/Cancel Affinity

Seems like Bowbreaker might be good for Brave Lyns with bad natures so they can tank other Brave Lyns but that's pretty niche and I guess I don't know that they don't still mostly just die on the first hit.

Edit: Wait, so I don't understand how Fjorm works. Is she only going to be available through summoning or is she going to be a free giveaway later on and her banner just lets us get her early? I thought I remembered something about her being a free starter unit but maybe I misunderstood. How much do I care about pulling her?
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 27, 2017, 07:01:04 PM
You get a free copy o Fjorn in the story mode and then you can also get merge copies of her through summoning.

Also, if you guys want an enemy phase build answer for Brave Lyn, TA Gronnraven Cammy works. It doesn't work if Lyn if she uses Cancel Affinity, but those are probably pretty rare. According to Kagero Chart, TA/Raven Cammy beats both the Mulagir and the Brave bow builds.
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Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2017, 07:07:28 PM
Sorry, what's TA?

Edit: Oh I just got it, Triangle Affinity. Duh.

Personally I'd rather have Gronnblade on her but that does sound pretty handy. I imagine it dumpsters Reinhardt as well?
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 27, 2017, 07:31:11 PM
Yeah, I'm not even giving Cammy a B skill, a C skill, or a seal. This is all TA/Raven with Moonbow with a neutral Cammy. Unfortunately, mine is -ATK.
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Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2017, 07:33:59 PM
If I pull dupes from 8% festival I may genuinely keep one and try to go for the mono-green, mono-Camillas team. If only Hone Fliers was more accessible I'd run Camilla/Camilla/BunCam/BunCam for goofs. Maybe throw one Corrin in there for them to dogpile...
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Post by: Mеа on November 27, 2017, 11:16:57 PM
I'm a little more reluctant to pull greens now that I know distant counter won't work. That means I'll be sniping for 1 unit and that won't work well. I'm gonna hold on until the fate children banner to see if they release any kinshi knights or something else interesting. That and Azura's kid was a flying singer were they?
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Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2017, 11:50:52 PM
He isn't actually a singer in the sense of being able to use Sing, he's just a flier who can sing. But in Heroes maybe things will be different. I have to imagine a flying singer would have horrendously bad stats but they'd still probably be pretty great.
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 28, 2017, 12:14:11 AM
He isn't actually a singer in the sense of being able to use Sing, he's just a flier who can sing. But in Heroes maybe things will be different. I have to imagine a flying singer would have horrendously bad stats but they'd still probably be pretty great.

A flying singer would have about the same stats as the other dancers. Flying units receive a bst penalty like the horse units do. [ur=https://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Stats_Tablel]The base stats table[/url] here lists flying units as having about the same  bst as infantry equivalents. I'd like to see a ranged horse singer, just to see how shit the bst would be. You guys know anyone who would fit the bill?

If I pull dupes from 8% festival I may genuinely keep one and try to go for the mono-green, mono-Camillas team. If only Hone Fliers was more accessible I'd run Camilla/Camilla/BunCam/BunCam for goofs. Maybe throw one Corrin in there for them to dogpile...

Make it a flying Corrin who buffs them. Blade Cammy/Raven Cammy/Axe Cammy/ Blade Corrin y/n?
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Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2017, 12:15:55 AM
A flying singer would have about the same stats as the other dancers. Flying units receive a bst penalty like the horse units do. [ur=https://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Stats_Tablel]The base stats table[/url] here lists flying units as having about the same  bst as infantry equivalents. I'd like to see a ranged horse singer, just to see how shit the bst would be. You guys know anyone who would fit the bill?

I mean, Shigure does. I'm pretty sure he can become a Kinshi Knight so he can use a bow.

Make it a flying Corrin who buffs them. Blade Cammy/Raven Cammy/Axe Cammy/ Blade Corrin y/n?

YYYYYYY

And I already have 3/4 of the pieces. Just need to pull another BunCam, which should be easy-ish at 8% rates, and I'm there.
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Post by: Mеа on November 28, 2017, 12:33:33 AM
I'd like to see a ranged horse singer, just to see how shit the bst would be. You guys know anyone who would fit the bill?
I would imagine Shigure could inherit a class that can promote into horses.
Also I'd like to point out an interesting little technical pithole in that it has to be a mounted singer and not a dancer since a mounted dancer would make no sense lol
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 28, 2017, 12:48:47 AM
I would imagine Shigure could inherit a class that can promote into horses.
Also I'd like to point out an interesting little technical pithole in that it has to be a mounted singer and not a dancer since a mounted dancer would make no sense lol

Does it count if the horse does the dancing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knCj92zA0tU) I also found this  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aqf3aiZz2c).
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Post by: Mеа on November 28, 2017, 02:57:47 AM
oh hey guys you can redeem up to 10k feathers from your nintendo points (2k at a time) so you should go do that
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Post by: Conqueror on November 28, 2017, 04:51:16 AM
Upgraded Lyn seems really good. Minerva too. Takumi got his Fates effect I guess.
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Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2017, 05:02:35 AM
Is this a datamine or something? Do share!
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Post by: Conqueror on November 28, 2017, 05:34:24 AM
Not a datamine, the update is already out on the play store and you can unlock the weapon refinery since the new story chapters are all out. No mats for upgrading yet but you can window shop in the refinery.
Lyn gets desp 3 and brash assault when <75% health.

Edit: Although there's probably a datamine floating around somewhere.
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Post by: Mеа on November 28, 2017, 05:46:32 AM
wow soleil is super adorable I want to roll for her so bad. I was in the middle of her paralogue before I took a hiatus on that game too come to think of it, makes me want to go play it again but it's a couple hundred miles away
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Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2017, 07:25:48 AM
Spent 89 stones on the special banner so far pulling for green. I've had horrifically bad luck so far. Only pulled a single five-star, a dupe Hector, which is the one I wanted the least (but still pretty good). I've seen an almost impossibly low number of green orbs, with almost 50% of screens not even having one, only a single screen having two, and none having more than that.

Oh well, banner's up for a few more days and there are tons of stones on the table, so my luck will probably flip. Kind of really want another SCamilla and a Brave Ike, gonna be really disappointed if I don't pull at least one.

Haven't had time to look at the weapon refinery yet, but that's going to be all kinds of interesting.
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Post by: Mеа on November 28, 2017, 07:58:28 AM
Sorry ccool, I think I stole all your green orbs, I've only had like 2 sessions without any and several times I saw 3 and lots of 2s (but not that they contained anything you wanted).

I told myself I wouldn't spend more than 40 orbs rolling, but I got pretty lucky with the greens and ended up spending 60 stones on the banner. My first pull was a Deirdre (and had 3 green orbs available) so I might have gotten a little cocky, I also ended on a second Deirdre making a weird sort of book ends. Those were the only 5*s I got which is... actually kinda what I expected, since I was testing out the rates on a summon simulator where I only got her for some reason.

I mean, I guess I did just finish reading through a FE4 lp, so I'm not unhappy. Also got 2 Sorens which I'm also pretty happy about having come read the Tellius game lps before that. So overall, it was pretty mediocre but pulling multiple 5*s in a go is always great. Still have about a 100 more orbs left to spend on some other banner, maybe at least to pick away at the children banner for Soleil but no more than 40 that time.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 28, 2017, 08:17:22 AM
and a Brave Ike, gonna be really disappointed if I don't pull at least one.
Brave Ike isn't on the banner. He was included by mistake in one of the frames of the stream instead of Ike. The 3 greens are Deirdre, SCamilla, and Hector.

Speaking of greens, I've been looking for red orbs exclusively and I managed to get several sessions of green and blue orbs with 0 reds.
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Post by: 7TC7 on November 28, 2017, 11:32:07 AM
Went for Colorless > Red > Blue > Green

got Bridal Cordelia on my free summon, Genny shortly after and Spring Xander with a Bonus Fae (finally) after i stopped caring and just summoned a whole field.
Spent only 50 of my 100 orbs so I might come back in a few days, because the Fate Children aren't any of the ones I like - Soleil, maybe, but she doesn't seem really worth it. Thought, I also don't know who I'd still want from this Banner now. Any of the reds would be pretty fine probably.
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Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2017, 01:51:41 PM
Brave Ike isn't on the banner. He was included by mistake in one of the frames of the stream instead of Ike. The 3 greens are Deirdre, SCamilla, and Hector.

Oh oops, I've been assuming that meant he was included this whole time. Oh well, still worth pulling green I guess.

Edit: I think Fjorm may have a terrible case if overly-balanced-stats syndrome. She has great abilities but she really doesn't excel in any useful areas, stats-wise.

That's not to say she doesn't have a niche, she'll be a great Reinhardt counter, and would have been a great Brave Lyn counter if not for Sacae's Blessing getting in the way again, but I think she matches up pretty unfavorably with the rest of the brave heroes.

Edit edit: On like my 110th stone I finally got my second 5*, which was a second BunCam. - HP/+DEF isn't ideal for the Gronnraven set but it's tolerable. Team Cams on Cams on Cams is now possible!

I just have to decide whether or not I want to cannibalize Halloween Nowi for her Hone Fliers, because the team isn't really anything without it...
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 28, 2017, 11:23:39 PM
I think balanced stats are underrated, especially if this "use whatever defense is lower will continue to be a thing.
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Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2017, 11:54:24 PM
Yeah that mechanic looks rad. I'm way into FCorrin's new set, she's definitely going to be the first thing I invest in.

I wrote a long and rambling couple of paragraphs comparing Fjorm to Brave Ike, but it was full of speculation. I'll just say that I think being extremely specialized is naturally advantageous in Fire Emblem and especially in Heroes, but the meta is probably about to open up a lot so we'll see what happens.
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 29, 2017, 12:22:44 AM
Yeah that mechanic looks rad. I'm way into FCorrin's new set, she's definitely going to be the first thing I invest in.

I wrote a long and rambling couple of paragraphs comparing Fjorm to Brave Ike, but it was full of speculation. I'll just say that I think being extremely specialized is naturally advantageous in Fire Emblem and especially in Heroes, but the meta is probably about to open up a lot so we'll see what happens.

I think it depends, you can have specialized stats if one of them is attack. If their attack is low, they're done. I'd say it's easier to be a specialized offensive unit, because you only care about two stat, where as defensive units have to care about pretty much all of them. I also think that balanced stats are better on defense teams, unless your horse emblem and you can leap across the map to nuke people. Not sure what I want to do with Fjorm at the moment.
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Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2017, 12:45:01 AM
See I would say the total opposite. Defensive teams more or less have to be extremely specified to not get rolled by the Reinhardts and Brave Lyns and Brave Roys of the game. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, we want the game to be offense-focused because it's a lot more fun than a slow and grindy meta, but the end result is that a powerful offensive character can KO way more of the meta than a powerful defensive character can tank and defeat.

Edit: Alright, got two more 5*s from the banner. Got an Ayra and a duplicate Genny. Not bad.

What should I use my dupe Hector for? I don't use my existing Hector enough to justify merging, but the Distant Counter is obviously valuable. While I'm investing in FCorrin through the refinery maybe I'll give her Distant Counter too.
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Post by: Koog on November 29, 2017, 04:13:57 AM
Oh Shiro is in, now I've got an excuse to save orbs and totally see how I don't get him
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Post by: Mеа on November 29, 2017, 04:38:18 AM
What should I use my dupe Hector for? I don't use my existing Hector enough to justify merging, but the Distant Counter is obviously valuable. While I'm investing in FCorrin through the refinery maybe I'll give her Distant Counter too.
Distant counters seem super valuable now that all the breaths get the 'hits the lower of def/res at range' effect. If I had the resources, dragon emblem seems like a really fun team to build rn
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Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2017, 05:29:22 AM
Is it just me or did Rehabilitate go from the only good-ish healing spell to probably the worst one? Now that they all heal a ton by default it's no longer needed as the only reliable source of significant healing. It no longer gives a cooldown penalty though so it's definitely not detrimental to use, but the other ones heal so much that I can't imagine the extra healing will be necessary very often.

Then again maybe some crazy HP tank builds are possible now with a lot of weapons providing a significant HP boost. Something with naturally high HP, an HP boosting weapon, and an HP seal could end up with such a huge HP pool that only Rehabilitate can heal it all the way up. I can't imagine that's ever not going to be niche, but who knows, maybe it'll turn out to be really playable.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 29, 2017, 05:54:40 AM
Depends on the attack of your healer and how dangerous you usually let your HP values drop. Healers definitely got a major boost though, especially since all refined staves can now choose between wrathful and dazzling effects. It's times like this I wish I had an Elise or something, that AOE Gravity looks strictly better than Leo's tome.
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Post by: hyorinryu on November 29, 2017, 07:49:03 AM
Is it just me or did Rehabilitate go from the only good-ish healing spell to probably the worst one? Now that they all heal a ton by default it's no longer needed as the only reliable source of significant healing. It no longer gives a cooldown penalty though so it's definitely not detrimental to use, but the other ones heal so much that I can't imagine the extra healing will be necessary very often.

Then again maybe some crazy HP tank builds are possible now with a lot of weapons providing a significant HP boost. Something with naturally high HP, an HP boosting weapon, and an HP seal could end up with such a huge HP pool that only Rehabilitate can heal it all the way up. I can't imagine that's ever not going to be niche, but who knows, maybe it'll turn out to be really playable.

Well, Arden is a thing.
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Post by: Mеа on November 29, 2017, 11:11:15 AM
I'm trying to get on the healer hype train, which lead to me spending another 60ish stones for a Genny. Which I was lucky and did get. I was super lucky, I got her and then some, I got Hector for distant counter and Celica for distant def, all 3 with perfect ivs for foddering without remorse (and these three were actually from the same session, others weren't super terrible either). Now that damage isn't something I have to worry about with wrathful staff, now I just have like a million staves to choose between for Elise. I'm leaning towards Dazzling Gravity so I'll probably go for that. Full power gravity buffs to you and your friends here we go!

e: ok cool, just mocked up a defense team that revolves around dazzling wrathful gravity Elise, in this order the team is: GAzura, Elise, Camus, Sanaki. Camus has draw back so that he can both pull Elise out of range and also put himself back into GAzura's  singing range to go hurt/kill somebody. It's important that he's a physical horse unit so that he has the same move distance as Elise to be able to draw back her, but also so that he doesn't go attack anyone off himself since he has a lower attack range than she does. He's also equipped with drag back so that he can potentially drag an enemy unit into Sanaki's range to nuke. It kinda works against Elise's gravity effect, but I figure if it activates then that unit's probably gonna die. Sanaki's just my infantry ranged nuke unit. Infantry, so that she stays behind Elise and Camus. Looking forward to the results and see if it works out well.
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Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
I'd be curious to see how that works. It depends on a lot of factors (enemies clumping up, no enemy dancers/must kill enemy dancers quickly, the presence of a non-ranged unit for Elise to pick on to trigger the gravity) but it's probably a pretty decent team without the gimmick too so it's not like you're screwed if things don't line up.

Can Elise equip Windsweep? That would probably help with reliability. I wish I had an Elise...

By the way, how does Gravity interact with Armor March? Given how Armor March seems to interact with forests I'm guessing it trumps Gravity, but maybe not.

Edit: Oh dang, you can refine Gravity+ to nullify counterattacks. Well that solves that problem.
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Post by: Dr Rawr on November 29, 2017, 06:45:08 PM
Haven't played since summer banner so it seems like they added a lot. Also this https://imgur.com/JwDptGZ she looks pretty good and the banner makes her look like a big deal
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Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2017, 06:58:43 PM
(https://imgur.com/rAvGyL6.png)

Hmm, to eat Nowi or not to eat Nowi, that is the question...
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Post by: Mеа on November 30, 2017, 03:38:35 AM
some thoughts on using the new Elise,

using her effectively means your team quite revolves around her. You have Elise herself, and then the second unit who gets her out of harm's way. Most of the time you want draw back since reposition can be restrictive since she's a horse. The times you want reposition are when you use her to attack a ranged physical unit. If you draw her back against these units (bows, daggers), then she will certainly die in the enemy phase. To be efficient, some kind of distant counter reposition unit would probably be best to get in some damage against them.

Brave Lyn is an issue. If you don't pin her down with gravity, then she'll be all too ready to kill Elise or someone else in your team. She's also unaffected by distant counter so that's a problem too. You need a unit that can successfully bait and kill her asap. Reinhardt isn't an issue, Elise can take him just fine.

Elise is your floodgate, if she doesn't hold the enemy back then you'll be pressed back into uncomfortable positions. But she's also very frail, so you want to bait out units she can't deal with (mostly Brave Lyn and some other physical ranged units) and get them killed quickly. I think a solution is to use either FCorrin or ATiki for their physical bulk (although you'll have to jump through some hoops to try kill BLyn in one round) and have them be the Reposition unit of the two. Alternatively, the new Takumi has the grimoire effect built in so he might be even better since he can get Elise around tight corners by warping in whichever direction you need to pull her towards.

It still isn't really safe to jump in to get a kill since just because they can't move doesn't make the enemy units any less dangerous. But one of your units is tied to Elise leaving you with only two units to use. I think at least one flier is good since you can use them more flexibly to get Elise out of tight terrain spots, this one being your draw back unit. Having these two extras being offensive makes the fight go quicker, but enemy phase builds might be safer.

Infantry teams are a joke, Elise alone can take them with someone pulling her out of the way. Adding a dancer complicates things, but still not bad. As usual, cavalry makes life difficult, you need a BLyn counter.

Colorwise, you probably won't need any red units since there aren't any green threats that Elise can't handle. Hector is slow, Brave Ike is an infantry, and the other green threats are all mages which Elise can handle. Colorless units I think are a big problem you'll face, you need a way to deal with those physical range 2 units. And again, you need a way to handle BLyn safely. And I think honestly as long as you can get rid of her, the rest of your team only make the fight go faster. So bring whoever along as long as you have a plan for BLyn.

tl;dr BLyn is still a problem.
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Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2017, 03:41:35 AM
And unfortunately she's a very common problem.

I guess the obvious solution is to use Inigo as your dancer, but I'm guessing you probably don't have him? I'm really not a fan of Inigo, I think he's extremely overrated, but he can get the job done I guess.
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Post by: Mеа on November 30, 2017, 03:49:57 AM
No I don't, and I've only now checked him out and he seems to fulfill his niche really well but that 140bst is really quite painful. I haven't seen a lot of him actually, I've seen more regular Azuras than him.
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Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2017, 03:56:18 AM
It seems to be a popular opinion lately that GAzura is overrated and Inigo is the *real* best dancer in the game, but as someone who has both and invested heavily in the optimal Inigo set I don't think he holds a candle. He has a very useful niche admittedly, but GAzura is useful in ABSOLUTELY EVERY situation and he feels like dead weight a lot of the time.

I mean, dead weight is relatively when it comes to dancers in Fire Emblem, they're obviously incredibly useful, so of course any dead-weight-ness is relative. But man, that BST is killer...
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Post by: Mеа on November 30, 2017, 04:18:15 AM
Really? Because he's ranged and has a build that can counter Rein and BLyn? Counter seems too strong a word, my impression on looking at those defenses is he'll barely live through the experience and dish out some damage in return and that's about it. GAzura's +16 on singing is a really strong sell. And you know she actually has pretty impressive offensive stats.
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Post by: Conqueror on November 30, 2017, 04:35:13 AM
As someone who runs TARaven Inigo, he pretty handily counterkills all forms of Reinhardt with charged special, but needs bowbreaker to properly kill Lyn before she gets repositioned out. With bowbreaker and moonbow he could probably counterkill Lyn as well, but Cancel Affinity is still an issue, so I usually just tank BLyn with Brave Ike.
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Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2017, 04:43:52 AM
Mine has Moonbow and Bowbreaker and he can indeed kill (most?) Lyns, but he walks out of even very favorable matchups in pretty rough shape.
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Post by: Mеа on November 30, 2017, 05:06:29 AM
Eh, well you know how it is, if the counter works then it works, no matter how badly you walk out of it. Could mean he's useless otherwise but being a dancer means he should probably be letting others do the work anyway.
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Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2017, 05:37:27 AM
True, although seeing a Brave Lyn and a Reinhardt on the same team is extremely common. And he probably can't handle them both.
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Post by: Mеа on November 30, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
WHOOPS

I uh accidentally left out a conditional to make sure that the margins were defined before letting you create the collage. It wasn't an issue in the first version because you couldn't adjust the margins and I gave you fixed crops. This is like the stupidest issue, it's the most elementary thing to make sure of to not break something. Well I got it fixed so hitting the create button without first adjusting will give you the default crop as before, and if the default crop results aren't good, then you can adjust like usual. Persona! myself in the head.

As for your issue BT I've been trying to get an emulator going to see if I can either get specs similar to your phone emulating or be able to recreate it with something else. You said it was crashing immediately after selecting an image. My current blind guess is that there's an issue in trying to get the full path to that image somewhere along the line or something like that.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2017, 06:46:21 PM
Well, I think I've committed to the idea that Halloween Nowi's getting the axe to pass along Hone Fliers. The Camilla squad is as follows:

-Camilla with brave axe
-Spring Camilla with Gronnblade
-Spring Camilla with Gronnraven
-Beach Corrin with Blarblade

I think it's going to end up with Camilla and Gronnraven BunCam getting Hone Fliers and Fortify Fliers, while the two Blade tome users both get Goad Fliers. I just need to decide who gets Hone and who gets Fortify. Should the defensive unit get the offensive buff to further buff the offensive unit and vice versa, or should the defensive unit get the defensive buff so both will end up with slightly more balanced stats? Hmm...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on December 01, 2017, 08:26:36 PM
Help, I got buncam from the banner but she's attack bane, what do I do?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
What's her boosted stat? Resist or speed would be pretty unfortunate, but either way you could probably run a tolerable version of either of her major sets if you want to invest.

The Gronnblade set is going to be hitting so hard that you don't really care what your base attack is (provided you have Hone Fliers, which is admittedly a big if) and the Gronnraven set can benefit from boosted HP or defense since that lets it tank more safely.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on December 01, 2017, 10:20:52 PM
I think it's going to end up with Camilla and Gronnraven BunCam getting Hone Fliers and Fortify Fliers, while the two Blade tome users both get Goad Fliers. I just need to decide who gets Hone and who gets Fortify. Should the defensive unit get the offensive buff to further buff the offensive unit and vice versa, or should the defensive unit get the defensive buff so both will end up with slightly more balanced stats? Hmm...
The game still works off hard counters so I would say go further boost the role that the unit is for. Especially the defensive unit, though in the end it comes down to matchups. Can the defensive unit survive a hit to be able to counter its counters without the fortify buff? So matchups pretty much. Offensively, Camilla is pretty weak though I imagine you're using her for mage killing so that shouldn't matter too much anyway.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2017, 10:56:22 PM
HNowi has been eaten. Blood for the boob god!

(https://imgur.com/k1ckYlY.png)

Just need another 40k feathers to get Quick Riposte 3 and Life And Death 3 for the Easter twins respectively.

The game still works off hard counters so I would say go further boost the role that the unit is for. Especially the defensive unit, though in the end it comes down to matchups. Can the defensive unit survive a hit to be able to counter its counters without the fortify buff? So matchups pretty much.

Yeah that's what I ended up doing. Makes sense.

Offensively, Camilla is pretty weak though I imagine you're using her for mage killing so that shouldn't matter too much anyway.

Maybe some of them are pretty weak. Back East. ;P

Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on December 01, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
ah, +atk with swift sparrow nice, mine is +spd so it doesn't even break 40atk haha.

(also I am trying so hard to figure out what you're ribbing at with Back East but for the life of me I can't figure it out)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2017, 11:23:22 PM
It's from The Simpsons.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MldzMBr4I

I don't think my Camilla is +ATK actually. She's +2 and has some boosts from that, has the summoner S-rank, and a +3 ATK seal. Mine used to have horrible attack too. But now she's naturally super strong AND has two Goad Fliers and a Hone Fliers backing her up on top of that...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on December 01, 2017, 11:49:49 PM
Hmm, the collage creating app crashes whenever I try to save a collage after selecting the 4 images.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on December 01, 2017, 11:58:44 PM
It's from The Simpsons.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MldzMBr4I

I don't think my Camilla is +ATK actually. She's +2 and has some boosts from that, has the summoner S-rank, and a +3 ATK seal. Mine used to have horrible attack too. But now she's naturally super strong AND has two Goad Fliers and a Hone Fliers backing her up on top of that...
lol I still don't get it, oh well
yeah that looks like +hp actually. I'm surprised she can even go that high, but that's seals for you

Hmm, the collage creating app crashes whenever I try to save a collage after selecting the 4 images.
is that the new one? There was an issue I fixed, like yesterday I think, where it would crash if you hit Create and tried to save it without going into the Adjust menu first. The workaround was to go into the adjust menu without even having to change anything, but it that isn't necessary now.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on December 02, 2017, 12:45:19 AM
What's her boosted stat? Resist or speed would be pretty unfortunate, but either way you could probably run a tolerable version of either of her major sets if you want to invest.

The Gronnblade set is going to be hitting so hard that you don't really care what your base attack is (provided you have Hone Fliers, which is admittedly a big if) and the Gronnraven set can benefit from boosted HP or defense since that lets it tank more safely.
She's +Def.

I kinda scoffed at this at first because mages mostly get hit by other mages and the whole point of flier mages is keeping your distance. But Cam can totally tank. I got a Takumi a while earlier, so in theory I could give her close counter and that would be pretty fun.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on December 02, 2017, 02:17:32 AM
There was an issue I fixed, like yesterday I think, where it would crash if you hit Create and tried to save it without going into the Adjust menu first.
Ah, that was probably it. Just updated to the new version and it works great, props. Tested it out with my defense team.
(https://puu.sh/yxBSd/a89fc939f1.png)

Amelia should probably get a new B skill, now that I think about it. Maybe another vantage?

Also, should we make a new thread? We've been over 1k posts for a bit now.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on December 02, 2017, 02:21:54 AM
Ah, that was probably it. Just updated to the new version and it works great, props. Tested it out with my defense team.
Whew, thank god, my heart skips a beat whenever I see someone have trouble with it haha

we probably should so someone go ahead with that if you will please and update the memeness of the title to our times
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: hyorinryu on December 02, 2017, 02:33:19 AM
Have you tried an Emerald Axe on Camilla? I hear it works a lot better than Brave Axe on her.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2017, 02:54:05 AM
Nope. I was considering it at one time when her horrible attack was causing problems, but then a bunch of ways to boost it came out and now she's performing exactly how I want her to. I've seen some Emerald Axe builds with Distant Counter that do look good, but they don't really fill a niche that I need filled on any of my teams.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Koog on December 03, 2017, 12:10:20 AM
Guess who entered colorless hell and came out with a +2 Priscilla and no Fayes?  :colonveeplusalpha:

EDIT: I just noticed one is +atk nvm what I said
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2017, 03:23:22 AM
Never been able to wrap my head around Faye. At the very least she doesn't seem well-suited for her default weapon. What do people run on her?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: BT on December 03, 2017, 12:25:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EtGkdiV.jpg)

That's it for me for this banner. Got Buncam, an Ike and two Hector from 45 summons. That's a 8.8% chance! When you factor in the rising pity rate, that sounds perfectly right.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on December 03, 2017, 01:21:58 PM
so neutral IVs DC/QR FCorrin with Bonfire, Dark Breath (+Res), Distant Defense seal, and buffed with Fortify Dragons both tanks and counter kills Brave Lyn (both Brave Bows and Mulagir) and Reinhardt that are optimally offensive (+atk ivs, death blow, hone calvary). Like, wow. I'm working on this right now and I'm super excited for it, grinding out the sp. I know the battle sim isn't very reliable since it only factors in default builds, but it says this build dies only to Julia and Deirdre. FCorrin is a tank goddess. And this is without factoring in ally support holy hell.

Since Elise/healers are now a thing I've been wanting a tank and now I can have a sisters duo thing going on yays.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
I can't believe the resist boost makes that big of a difference. Goddamn!

So the team is FCorrin/Ninian/Elise/??? by default. The presence of a dancer and a cleric means that your BST is low despite having a dragon, which makes another dragon or an armor seem ideal for the remaining slot.

Going for another dragon and having an all-magic team actually seems surprisingly viable, since the new breath weapons can use magic to hit defense on ranged characters. And since most resistance tanks are ranged, you might have surprisingly few problems with a theoretically inflexible all-magic team.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on December 03, 2017, 06:43:18 PM
Yeah, the combination of +4 res against Reinhardt and the +5 hp against Brave Bow Lyn covers all the bases. Against Reinhardt with moonbow up (through quickened pulse probably) she needs +2 more res from an ally support (with Ninian is best) to live with 1 hp left, then counterkill.

I've been playing around with the team and it's really fun. The healer buff did so much more than just make healers viable, it made tanks viable too. Then there's the wrath dazzle Gravity function Elise can also serve that gives a lot of flexibility to your team I'm pretty impressed.

The 4th slot should ideally go to a red unit to deal with the green units that FCorrin doesn't have favorable matchups against. Tiki if you wanted Dragon Emblem would be best I think. Currently my Palla with Ruby Sword is fulfilling the role since that was her role in my flier team anyway. The +6 atk from the new Attack Tactic skill would be great in his team since there's no more than 2 of any movement type.

Yeah, bst is pretty low huh. I put a Growing Wind special on Ninian, since it's not like she ever sees combat, to make up for some of the bst shortage though I'm not sure how much of a difference it'll make. I did give her windsweep in case I ever need that light breath buff for some reason, which also means her special is like never gonna be up anyway see.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
The main thing that team would struggle with that's coming to mind is Fjorm. I haven't ever seen Fjorm used, but I assume she's about to become pretty common.

Of course there are less common units (Camilla, incidentally, although Palla more or less hard counters her) that would be annoying as well, but with a strong red unit you match up well against much of the meta.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Mеа on December 03, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
I've seen a couple of her around, but of all people, Fjorm?? I can imagine there being a bit of a deadlock between FCorrin and her until someone pops off their special but she's melee infantry. And those are like toys to Elise. Ice Mirror I hear isn't exactly the best on her but it doesn't work anyway because the dazzling staff effect negates counterattacks (same thing with Sacae's Blessing vs Ice Mirror).

e: although yeah, if she were to have some full tank build leaning something to the effect of +12 or so resist, I can see there being a stalemate, that could be something to keep in mind. I do have Hone Atk on Palla though, and with FCorrin's bonfire and threaten res I don't think there's a problem there.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem Heroes: (ed. NOT) Still Waiting for Tellius
Post by: Conqueror on December 03, 2017, 10:30:13 PM
Alright, new thread is up.