Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: helvetica on March 08, 2011, 08:27:52 PM
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/08/nintendo-3ds-review-japanese/
3 and a half hours with wifi OFF? GG Nintendo. Build quality is a good improvement over the DSLite/DSi, but the battery life is absolutely appalling. I could live with a 3-4 hour battery life if they at least gave an option for USB charging but they won't even do that. Yes let's ignore the almost ubiquitous number of USB chargers almost everywhere and make us carry yet ANOTHER charging cable.
Rest of the hardware is meh, still resistive screen, still shitty cameras, etc. I'm waiting for the 3DSLite at any rate. That battery life is anemic given how weak the hardware is compared to what it's going to end up competing against. For the casual why pick up a 3DS vs say an iPod Touch unless you're really that married to the Nintendo name?
The hardcore, I can see myself eventually getting one because face it, Nintendo has amazing first party support. I just have no need to get one NOW, especially given how weak the current hardware is.
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I rarely play on a portable for longer than 30 minutes at a time, and certainly not more than 2 hours. 3.5 is plenty for me, and I for most people without them realizing it. Though I'm not going to get one anytime soon either.
Honestly, what matters more to me regarding battery life is its long term survival. I mean many rechargeables have a maximum life of X hours, but after a month or so, suddenly it becomes more like 0.75X hours, then after a year, it's like 0.4X.. What I want is for the maximum battery life to NOT deteriorate over time. I've tried draining batteries completely before charging em, charging them all the time when not in use. Never having them plugged in when fully charged, all that. It still doesn't matter. Fact all rechargeable items have a nasty habit of NOT having the battery life they claim after less-than major usage. (back up a decade or so, and there were rechargeable batteries named "pure energy", which hilariously went from reasonable battery life to like... half hour after only like 4 effing charges, they were bull).
I have no idea how the 3DS fares in this category, and wont pretend to know, but I wish people would talk about THAT more than theoretical lab-tested 1-time use situations...
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3 and half a hour is what my DSLite can handle at the moment, so I don't know why it is a big deal. Also what is an USB Charger? Never heard of them before.
Aside from that, what I'm curious about are the games, because right now, these starters look quite weak, imo.
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Aside from that, what I'm curious about are the games, because right now, these starters look quite weak, imo.
They are. Since I am married to Nintendo, I'm going to have to buy this.
The upcoming games are going to be awesome, though!
(PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO PAPER MARIO)
Now, all I need is 300$+ by the end of the month...
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I rarely play on a portable for longer than 30 minutes at a time, and certainly not more than 2 hours. 3.5 is plenty for me, and I for most people without them realizing it. Though I'm not going to get one anytime soon either.
Honestly, what matters more to me regarding battery life is its long term survival. I mean many rechargeables have a maximum life of X hours, but after a month or so, suddenly it becomes more like 0.75X hours, then after a year, it's like 0.4X.. What I want is for the maximum battery life to NOT deteriorate over time. I've tried draining batteries completely before charging em, charging them all the time when not in use. Never having them plugged in when fully charged, all that. It still doesn't matter. Fact all rechargeable items have a nasty habit of NOT having the battery life they claim after less-than major usage. (back up a decade or so, and there were rechargeable batteries named "pure energy", which hilariously went from reasonable battery life to like... half hour after only like 4 effing charges, they were bull).
I have no idea how the 3DS fares in this category, and wont pretend to know, but I wish people would talk about THAT more than theoretical lab-tested 1-time use situations...
The hardware hasn't been out long enough to do a "long term battery" study, but for the most part Li-Ion batteries get about 6-12 months before dropping to half capacity. Charging them less often and not tricklecharging greatly increases their life, as well as making sure the batteries don't overheat.
3 and half a hour is what my DSLite can handle at the moment, so I don't know why it is a big deal. Also what is an USB Charger? Never heard of them before.
Uhh, it just means that you can plug into any standard USB port or outlet and charge off of it. Practically every cellphone and MP3 player made in the past 4-5 years can charge off of USB now. Even the PSP can. The fact the 3DS keeps the proprietary nonsense instead of standardizing on mini/microUSB means you can't use any standard cable and plug into your laptop or whatever to charge. Most car accessories just expose a USB port and so do most airplanes/airports as well, so it makes absolutely no sense why they didn't just use a standard port instead of keeping the same stupid plug from the DSi. It's one more charger I have to lug around (and definitely given the battery life).
As for battery life, a stock DSLite gets close to 15 hours on a new battery. Nintendo handhelds are mostly known for their amazing stamina and battery life while sacrificing raw speed and performance. That's really what won Nintendo the handheld war, as there's always been competitors with far superior features or graphics to Nintendo's offerings. Now the 3DS has neither, it's both slower than the NGP, and will likely get shorter battery life or about equivalent as well.
Aside from that, what I'm curious about are the games, because right now, these starters look quite weak, imo.
So far there's only vague rumors on what's in the pipe, no solid release dates. Probably won't get any until E3.
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DS has 3rd-party USB chargers IIRC. I'm guessing the 3DS will have the same.
I haven't touched handhelds in a while and I don't think the 3DS is going to change my mind at this point either.
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The battery life thing really bothers me, what's the point of the system being portable if you can't bring it along on a road trip or something?
The only way I'm buying this thing is if another Advance Wars comes out for it D:
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Uhh, it just means that you can plug into any standard USB port or outlet and charge off of it. Practically every cellphone and MP3 player made in the past 4-5 years can charge off of USB now. Even the PSP can. The fact the 3DS keeps the proprietary nonsense instead of standardizing on mini/microUSB means you can't use any standard cable and plug into your laptop or whatever to charge. Most car accessories just expose a USB port and so do most airplanes/airports as well, so it makes absolutely no sense why they didn't just use a standard port instead of keeping the same stupid plug from the DSi. It's one more charger I have to lug around (and definitely given the battery life).
Hmm, yeah I noticed that when I used the USB mode of my PSP and it said "USB Charging is not possible." But I never seen places where USB ports were exposed to charge, nor having things like this in a car. I actually was looking for a charger for my parents' car, so I can use it on long trips, but no Electronic shops had them. Maybe it's something of a common western-only technology?
As for battery life, a stock DSLite gets close to 15 hours on a new battery.
My DSLIte could never do that. I bought it second handed, but mostly never used. It seems I need a new battery.
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Hmm, yeah I noticed that when I used the USB mode of my PSP and it said "USB Charging is not possible." But I never seen places where USB ports were exposed to charge, nor having things like this in a car. I actually was looking for a charger for my parents' car, so I can use it on long trips, but no Electronic shops had them. Maybe it's something of a common western-only technology?
Fats can't charge off of USB without a hardware mod, but slims and newers can. As for USB ports themselves, they're becoming far more common thanks to the iPhone/iPod Touch and their ilk. Nowadays every phone uses mini/microUSB for charging. Well, they kind of have to as the IETF has standardized on microUSB for charging, and the EU is enforcing it as policy.
My DSLIte could never do that. I bought it second handed, but mostly never used. It seems I need a new battery.
Yeah a new DSLite battery should get you close to 15 hours.
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What I want is for the maximum battery life to NOT deteriorate over time.
Not gonna happen without a major change in status quo in batteries. I know for a fact that we have genuinely small hydrogen fuel cells for laptops and such, which have excellent long-term endurance, but require honest-to-goodness refueling when they're used up. That said, commercial household refueling stations exist for these as well. They're still in the niche consumer stage, though, so it'll be a while before we all switch over to them.
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While a few of the 3DS launch titles appeal to me, those are just ports/remakes of games I can find on other systems (and I can live without SFIV if I have to). The battery life's a major turn-off for me; 3 and a half hours is what my netbook gets, and that barely carries me on an average day.
I'm probably going to wait until the next iteration of the hardware; the DS(i) still has a lot of life in it, and this isn't as big a leap over the DS as much as the DS was over previous Nintendo handhelds.
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I'm probably going to wait until the next iteration of the hardware; the DS(i) still has a lot of life in it, and this isn't as big a leap over the DS as much as the DS was over previous Nintendo handhelds.
Aye.
But what really makes me wonder is how the touch screen mechanics went over so well when the DS was first made.
Call me old fashioned, but back in my day, handhelds never needed fancy gimmicks, they left that to the consoles like Dreamcast, PS1, and N64.
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The DSi was dumb too, hardly anything uses the faster clocked processor and RAM. Only reason I'm considering one (long long long shot though, really don't need it) is they've come out with new flashcarts that can tap into DSi mode and I'm interested in screwing around with it.
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Logical thought man.
I was gonna put a short rant about the Wii's surprising popularity here too, but that'd be considered off-topic now wouldn't it?
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3DS seems quite dead compared to Nintendo's older offerings.
Except for the 3D gimmick everyone seems to take in blindly, it seems to be a massive step backwards (low battery life, inferior hardware compared to some smartphones and the NGP, stupid insistence on proprietary charger, terribly high costs of entry and restrictions for smaller developers, the continuation of the damned Friend Codes).
I bet that most of the sales will come as a result of Nintendo's huge IP library and the heavy boatloads of gimmicky shovelware that follow it (as was the case with the DS and Wii). However, this strategy probably won't be as successful this time around, and chances are that in the next console generation Nintendo will be forced to change its strategy.
As for NGP, well...this isn't the right place for this, but I'll say that it seems even more DOA than the 3DS. I expect the iToys iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad (and their imitators) to push both 3DS and NGP aside, much to the chagrin of button-loving gamers.
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I doubt it. The NGP isn't any less conductive to the kind of touch-based mini games that the iOS/Android crew get now. It's got a full capacitive touch screen, the same processor class as iOS/Android devices (Arm Cortex A9), and is heavily rumored to be based off of Android anyways. And Sony isn't stupid with their online strategy. The PSN store can easily accommodate games like Angry Birds and Words With Friends (and in Angry Bird's case, already do). The new 3DSware store hasn't launched yet but all signs point to being garbage like Nintendo's current store offerings.
The 3DS has severe limitations for porting games too. The touch interface isn't the same, it's resistive vs capacitive, and it's on a secondary screen rather than the primary screen. The NGP has a second touch pad, but for the most part it can just be used as a touch interface for the front screen or ignored completely. The resolution is also much lower than even the lowliest of Android/iOS devices. The NGP can easily take iOS/Android with minimal port work at best, likely just a recompile for Sony's SDK.
What's going to make or break the NGP is the price and the availability of a cheap SDK option. I think if it debuts at the price level of current iTouch devices then it will be a hit with the consumers. $299 for the base model is not unreasonable for a device of its calibur by a stretch. And if Sony is smart and releases an indy-level SDK ala XNA or the current iOS/Android kits for PSN games, then it will be a hit with the developers as well. There's zero indication of an indy-level SDK for the 3DS nor was there ever for the Wii/DSi. WiiWare/DSiWare just ended up being a joke because of it.
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The hardware hasn't been out long enough to do a "long term battery" study, but for the most part Li-Ion batteries get about 6-12 months before dropping to half capacity. Charging them less often and not tricklecharging greatly increases their life, as well as making sure the batteries don't overheat.
Yeah I know it's still too new to mention those details specifically. But I just mean people in general tend to disregard long-term life post-charging in favor of brand-new battery life, which isn't as important in the long run IMO. That being said, I still think they should advertise (hopefully because they tried to improve it) the technology used to make it not deteriorate as much or something. That being said, I know little about battery technology other than look at the manual that comes with a product, and follow its guidelines for most effective means of charging it (frequently or wait till' dead basically). So I wasn't aware that there's basically no option to modify that all short of overhauling the entire battery technology as a whole (which I'm getting the impression of in this topic).
Anyway, thanks to everyone who educated me somewhat on this matter >=)
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I would wait for the 3DSlite. The original Nintendo DS Phat was a complete failure in regards to the luminosity of the screen, it made playing it outside in the summer impossible, strangely, the DSlite fixed that problem, even though they would have been able to fix it with the original DS, the technology was there.
Besides, the launch games, as for the original DS, are not going to be that impressive or that interesting, wait for good games and the console might be cheaper by then.
I feel like Nintendo is cutting corners on their hardware to be in competition with Sony's PSP2(Eventually....) in term of prices.
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I'll wait and see if it gets good games like the DS did. Same with the NGP, I don't want it to be only iOS ports or casual games. I'm guessing the NGP will cost way more than the 3DS too. I don't care for gimmicks like 3D and other stuff so only the games will make me buy one of them. I must admit I'm a bit of a Nintendo fanboy so I'll get it when a good Mario or new Zelda gets released.
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Yeah I know it's still too new to mention those details specifically. But I just mean people in general tend to disregard long-term life post-charging in favor of brand-new battery life, which isn't as important in the long run IMO. That being said, I still think they should advertise (hopefully because they tried to improve it) the technology used to make it not deteriorate as much or something. That being said, I know little about battery technology other than look at the manual that comes with a product, and follow its guidelines for most effective means of charging it (frequently or wait till' dead basically). So I wasn't aware that there's basically no option to modify that all short of overhauling the entire battery technology as a whole (which I'm getting the impression of in this topic).
Anyway, thanks to everyone who educated me somewhat on this matter >=)
Li-Ion has a set number of cycles it can recharge before going dead. There's several cells, hence why as your battery ages and wears you lose battery life gradually rather than just failing completely. Your battery typically has some sort of a chip to stagger loads across cells to even out the wear and tear.
Problem is when you're tricklecharging at full capacity, it causes the cells to wear much faster because since all cells are full it's only going to recharge the cell currently discharging. Smarter battery tech now shuts off the battery completely when on AC and full/near full, but even then it's better to let the battery discharge before charging again.
Most consumer level batteries are rated for 1000 charges/cell. Given the typical usage cycle of most electronics that comes out to about 6-12 months before significant battery life reduction occurs.
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Li-Ion has a set number of cycles it can recharge before going dead. There's several cells, hence why as your battery ages and wears you lose battery life gradually rather than just failing completely. Your battery typically has some sort of a chip to stagger loads across cells to even out the wear and tear.
Problem is when you're tricklecharging at full capacity, it causes the cells to wear much faster because since all cells are full it's only going to recharge the cell currently discharging. Smarter battery tech now shuts off the battery completely when on AC and full/near full, but even then it's better to let the battery discharge before charging again.
Most consumer level batteries are rated for 1000 charges/cell. Given the typical usage cycle of most electronics that comes out to about 6-12 months before significant battery life reduction occurs.
The actual mechanism behind this is pretty interesting - the power comes from the chemically-induced charge separation of the battery fuel - in this case the charge carrier species are the lithium ions. Of course, once all the charge carriers have been exhausted, this process can no longer occur, so external charging is required for charge recombination, where the lithium ions are basically induced to wander back, ready to be used again.
Recombination itself happens naturally as well, to a certain degree over time, which is why you can eke out some battery life out of a seemingly-dead battery just by letting it sit for a bit.
The long-term loss of endurance comes from the progressive denaturation of the battery fuel. An ionic battery's ability to provide a current comes from its excellent charge carrier density, and this is progressively lost due to the battery's internal chemical reactions during separation and recombination, where parts of the fuel become basically unusable over time. Hence why it's not really possible to alter this process - it's an inherent part of the battery's operation.
(note: I'm not entirely correct in my explanation, but it's close enough)
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Yeah we got to make a Li-Ion battery in one of my EE classes, it was really neat learning the chemistry behind it.
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Since you guys seem interested, I'm going to give fuel. Back int he days, when I used regular duracel/energizer/whatever AA batteries (I imagine AAA or whatever other size works too, can't say from experience though) regularly. I noticed that non-rechargable completely "DEAD" wont even turn the product on anymore batteries... When left alone for like a month or two, seemed to magically recarge on its own a little bit. By little bit, I mean enough to use whatever tool again for a good half hour or more. But certainly not the full length brand new. I still found it rathe rodd though.
This only worked once or twice per battery though.
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There's always a little bit of residual charge left over, you're never going to completely exhaust a cell.
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There's always a little bit of residual charge left over, you're never going to completely exhaust a cell.
Yeah but going from can't turn on dead to, being able to turn it on and run it for 30 mintues when it's the same device doesn't exactly explain that behaviour.
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That just means the cell still has capacity, but either sediments from the reaction or corrosion on the conductive parts of the cell drop the output voltage to too low of a level to run your device. By letting it sit whatever's in the way either settles or breaks down possibly freeing the cell again.
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Since you guys seem interested, I'm going to give fuel. Back int he days, when I used regular duracel/energizer/whatever AA batteries (I imagine AAA or whatever other size works too, can't say from experience though) regularly. I noticed that non-rechargable completely "DEAD" wont even turn the product on anymore batteries... When left alone for like a month or two, seemed to magically recarge on its own a little bit. By little bit, I mean enough to use whatever tool again for a good half hour or more. But certainly not the full length brand new. I still found it rathe rodd though.
This only worked once or twice per battery though.
I mentioned it in my explanatory post - the fuel will actually recombine. This isn't residual charge or anything, this is the battery genuinely self-recharging. It's very slow and it plateaus off quickly, though.
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I did that too many times with a set of AAs and had them explode in the back of my gameboy once :V
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/cradled-by-inadequacy-the-3ds-battery-put-to-the-test.ars
Still excited about the 3DS? 4.5 hours is the best you're going to get out of it in 3DS mode. This is with sound off, 3D off, and Wifi off.
http://static.arstechnica.com/gaming/ifixit3dsbattery.jpg
Look at this shit and you tell me Nintendo isn't just being cheapasses and giving themselves wiggleroom for 3DSLite improvements. We tried everything we could to improve battery life, you know, everything except using this massive empty space for a larger battery because that'd cut into profits.
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Oh, Nintendo, not even a remake of the first two Golden Sun games will make me buy this within this generation.
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What are the chances of a third party making a replacement battery to fix this problem?
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Probably very high. I wouldn't be surprised if there's already custom extended battery packs/covers in design stages right now. All you'd have to do is install a new raised back or hell, even just replace the back cover entirely with a deeper one and use all the extra space for a specially shaped battery.
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/nintendo-backs-away-from-3ds-games-that-require-3d-others-may-follow.ars
Can we just call this the Virtual Boy 2 and get it over with? Nintendo has just admitted outright that the whole point of their handheld is a gimmick they're not even willing to buy into fully. Watch an updated DSi with the guts of the 3DS without the 3D screen come out in the next few months.
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/nintendo-backs-away-from-3ds-games-that-require-3d-others-may-follow.ars
Can we just call this the Virtual Boy 2 and get it over with? Nintendo has just admitted outright that the whole point of their handheld is a gimmick they're not even willing to buy into fully. Watch an updated DSi with the guts of the 3DS without the 3D screen come out in the next few months.
Wow. Just brilliant, Nintendo. Funny how they sold their systems based on gimmicks (DS - touchscreen, Wii - motion, 3DS - stereoscopy) and yet they withdrew from them THIS soon.
Though it seems it is shooting itself in the foot here, I also think that it's trying to dissuade third parties from making gimmick-centric shovelware, which affected the DS and plagued the Wii, Kinect, and Move.
A 3D-less 3DS sounds plausible, though, since I think the 3D fad is bound to die within two years. And as for me, well, stereoscopic 3D is easy with a head-mounted display or a large enough (IMAX) screen, but I have difficulty with 3DTVs and smaller, so the 3DS, which tries to sell with 3D in mind, doesn't interest me in that regard.
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Well the reason I see a 3Dless 3DS coming soon is because the hardware isn't "bad" but the screen is horribly taxing on battery life, and the resolution is horrendous on it.
The screen is technically 800x240, but in 3D mode it's rendering 2 400x240 frames. You'd think shutting off the 3D effect would return the game to a 800x240 res, but in reality it just doubles up the pixels. It's extremely obvious in 2D mode since all it does is double the pixels when the 3D effect is off. DS games look awful on it.
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So basically, it's now just becoming a DS with the capabilities of a Gamecube and the running time of a PSP.
Fan-fucking-tastic, Nintendo.
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Full Ars review of the 3DS
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/a-beautiful-screen-a-weak-battery-a-door-to-the-future-ars-reviews-the-nintendo-3ds.ars
Camera is awful, the screen is nice but kind of ugly for DS playing, and of course the battery is still awful. Charge time is about 3 hours from empty and you'll get just shy of 5 with everything (wifi/3d/etc) off.
I like the new Friend Code/Mii system. It still uses the dumb numbers, but you can autogenerate QR codes and point the 3DS camera at it and it'll read them. It sounds kind of silly for people like you and me but remember the 3DS is aimed at kids and something like this would be perfect for them.
The low resolution of the screen really harms purely 3D games (you can see some CRAZY aliasing in the screenshots) but I imagine 2D games will look fine on it. Pilotwings takes full advantage of the 3D effects and according to the Ars guys the added depth actually makes maneuvering easier. I still contend the 3D will still end up being nothing more than a gimmick and we'll see far more non 3D games than 3D games.
The biggest issue is how messy and rushed this launch is. There's no games out that scream MUST BUY, a huge misstep from a company known for legendary launch selections. NONE of the online components work, there's no store, no wifi connect, no browser, that's all coming "soon".
So if you're really really really interested in the 3DS, warts and all, at least wait until more games come out if you're not interested in online. Or wait for online if you are. If you can hold off, definitely wait until the inevitable 3DSLite comes out or an aftermarket extended battery. The battery life and the lack of software and online components really hampers what is otherwise a servicable upgrade to the aging DS.
I'm disappointed that it merely catches up to the bar its chief competition, Sony, set with their last generation handheld. The Nintendo of now isn't the Nintendo that gave us the NES and SNES and N64. They're not interested in pushing pixels anymore, just pushing margins. How terrible this launch is combined with how many obvious corners they cut on the hardware itself shows that either Nintendo is desperate, or just interested in the get rich quick of being the first to market.
That being said, I fully expect great things to come to it. This is Nintendo and at the very least have the best first party support in the industry. And given that it's Nintendo, games will come out on it. I just don't think it's worth it in its current form, and definitely not given the current selection of games and other features available.
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Yeah, garbage everything aside I can and will forgive all flaws with any system if it has games I want to play.
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Oh I am definitely sure it will eventually. I don't regret buying my DS despite it sitting unused most of the time because the times I have used it are fantastic. But I got mine years after the original hardware launch, and after it had amassed a good selection of games in its repertoire.
I just don't think it's worth getting NOW, which is a shame given how historically good Nintendo's launches have been. At the very least I'm waiting until an extended battery comes out, if not the 3DS refresh.
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I'm disappointed that it merely catches up to the bar its chief competition, Sony, set with their last generation handheld. The Nintendo of now isn't the Nintendo that gave us the NES and SNES and N64. They're not interested in pushing pixels anymore, just pushing margins. How terrible this launch is combined with how many obvious corners they cut on the hardware itself shows that either Nintendo is desperate, or just interested in the get rich quick of being the first to market.
Or Nintendo's strategy since the Wii has been not to appease its dedicated base (it tried and failed with NGC), but to broaden access to the non-gamer population, which does not ask for nearly as much graphical horsepower.
That being said, I fully expect great things to come to it. This is Nintendo and at the very least have the best first party support in the industry. And given that it's Nintendo, games will come out on it. I just don't think it's worth it in its current form, and definitely not given the current selection of games and other features available.
Definitely, Nintendo's strength lies in its massive software library and it alone can secure healthy sales of its hardware.
But I do agree that the launch list is lacking and the lack of an established Nintendo IP may hamper sales and momentum.
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I remember Wi-Fi appearing late on the DS because it was new and revolutionary, but on this? There's no excuse.
Also.
(http://i.imgur.com/NuWi8.png)
Goddamnit, BEN. Stick to Jad's Youtube will ya.
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Or Nintendo's strategy since the Wii has been not to appease its dedicated base (it tried and failed with NGC), but to broaden access to the non-gamer population, which does not ask for nearly as much graphical horsepower.
Yet they do, as evidenced by the massive sales increases both Sony and MS have enjoyed with their motion systems (at the expense of Wii sales). Attachment rates on Wii systems are also dismal.
Casuals may not need the latest and greatest shinies, but when your system is clearly outclassed by your competitors it does hurt you. Really, the only thing the 3DS has going for it over the NGP (and even the PSP) is the 3D effect and dual screens. NGP will have touch input and a much higher calibur screen than the 3DS ever will.
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http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?45283-Hundreds-of-gamers-complain-of-horrible-3DS-headaches&s=8ef8317fafda73db8439c7e1155fee13&
Welp, there will definitely be a 3D-less 3DS coming soon enough.
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Or people will learn to turn the 3D slider to minimum :V
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Then why have 3D in the first place?
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I mean as in "right before off"
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A guy on another forum I visit said something like "They should just drop the 3D and call it the "S"."
But how do they want to market this version of the console if it's missing the main gimmick?
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My brother got it today and all I have to say is that it's perfect.
I don't mind the battery life (since I always play while recharging anyways), and I don't mind the slight dizzyness it gives me.
Overall, it's mindblowing :o
(Dammit can't wait for the good games to be released~)
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(http://i51.tinypic.com/dm7d5y.jpg)
Haru says hi!
Anyways I really like the AR cards. So much fun to play with!
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http://www.nyko.com/products/product-detail/?name=Power+Pak%2B
That was fast :P
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Quick, indeed.
Though I wonder if Nintendo will try to curtail these sales and charge a lawsuit over these battery pack makers (see Apple's case against the HyperMac battery). But in that case I wonder what grounds they would sue on (in said case, Apple claimed that the HyperMac used Apple's power connector without a proper license and won on those grounds).
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Nyko isn't a stranger to Nintendo whacking at them for making third-party accessories. They got into a big fight over Nyko's Wiimote clones.
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up to 2x the playtime than the stock battery
So instead of 3 hours, it's 6 hours? :V
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So instead of 3 hours, it's 6 hours? :V
Exactly, I'm waiting to see how the life is with the extended battery before sinking into anything.
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Nyko isn't a stranger to Nintendo whacking at them for making third-party accessories. They got into a big fight over Nyko's Wiimote clones.
Then get them fast before :lawsuit: :ohdear:
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Then get them fast before :lawsuit: :ohdear:
And then resell them for ludicrously inflated prices :V
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Then get them fast before :lawsuit: :ohdear:
And then resell them for ludicrously inflated prices :V
Oh great, it's the HyperMac battery fiasco all over again! :wat: :ohdear:
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I'll probably end up picking up a 3DS and said battery Thursday/Friday if it really extends life by a significant amount.
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/k1b5zr.jpg)
I'll just leave this here ;)
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Medium Soda added to legion of Miis. Has anyone gotten a street pass yet?
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Considering the insane gobs and gobs of money I've been spending on things the past few months, plus the fact I have rent and other priorities, I think I'm gonna wait on this one, third-party battery or not. Lord knows Nintendo is going to come out with a smaller version at some point in the future anyway. :V Barring that, I can always wait for a price drop.
That, and I wanna try one, to see if it makes me dizzy, like those 9001 other folks.
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Although I haven't had any hands-on experience, people I trust say that although it made them dizzy at first, once they played with the 3D slider a bit and found the sweet spot, it worked perfectly with no problems, and the effect was great. Moving it towards or away from your eyes can help, too. Everyone's eyes are different, so this kind of thing is to be expected. Don't take this as absolute fact (again, everyone's eyes are different, and this is a second-hand report after all), but everyone I know who played the 3DS has reported this.
As for me, I'm definitely getting one, but I just don't know when. I don't mind the battery life, and there seems to be some good games, but it can wait for a while.
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Well, the 3DS seems to have a lot of bad reviews. Guess I won't be buying it soon.
But, I want my Phoenix Wright vs. Prof. Layton and have a big nerd off.
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http://www.shacknews.com/article/67940/some-3ds-units-getting-black
Yeah I'm back to the waiting pile.
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Such are the consequences of early adoption of technology. Those who do so take the brunt of the beginning issues so the mainstream doesn't have to (and ends up draining the support departments in the tech companies).
At least Nintendo gave a useful error message this time around, while PSP did that with its death screens long before!
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When you see it, you will shit bricks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2vxbH5jWic)
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I knew it would sell early on, but wow. (http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2011/0329/Nintendo-3DS-breaks-one-day-sale-number)
The true test, of course, will be whether it lasts. I'm just shocked that nothing, like the bad battery, even phased it.
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Saw a stranger playing 3DS yesterday. Somehow I was no longer afraid of approaching stranger and asked him about the 3DS.
Anyway, he seem to be playing Street Fighter or something, I didn't ask him that. I was only interested in the 3DS itself.
He said that his eyes hurt the first few minutes playing it but that irritation will gradually disappears the longer he plays it. The 3D slide and other things, I'm pretty sure it have been covered elsewhere in the thread.
As for other functions, well, he seems to be interested in the games only and how they look.
The price really puts me off though, 900+ Malaysian Ringgit. Oh God.
Shit. I forgot to ask for his phone number.
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Saw a stranger playing 3DS yesterday. Somehow I was no longer afraid of approaching stranger and asked him about the 3DS.
Anyway, he seem to be playing Street Fighter or something, I didn't ask him that. I was only interested in the 3DS itself.
He said that his eyes hurt the first few minutes playing it but that irritation will gradually disappears the longer he plays it. The 3D slide and other things, I'm pretty sure it have been covered elsewhere in the thread.
As for other functions, well, he seems to be interested in the games only and how they look.
The price really puts me off though, 900+ Malaysian Ringgit. Oh God.
Shit. I forgot to ask for his phone number.
Who needs a phone number when you have the 3DSPhone! With it, You can call your friends, talk to them, and, gasp, even HANG UP! It's a totally not useless app!
Seriously, the whole 3D gimmick is making me think that Nintendo's taking too big an example from apple: adding unneeded things to it. Hell look at the iphone, and tell me how many people use it for the sole purpose of a phone. I bet its only called the 3DS because they couldn't think of anything better to name their next DS.
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Who needs a phone number when you have the 3DSPhone! With it, You can call your friends, talk to them, and, gasp, even HANG UP! It's a totally not useless app!
Seriously, the whole 3D gimmick is making me think that Nintendo's taking too big an example from apple: adding unneeded things to it. Hell look at the iphone, and tell me how many people use it for the sole purpose of a phone. I bet its only called the 3DS because they couldn't think of anything better to name their next DS.
That'd be the iPhone 3D or iPhone 5. And I don't think El Jobso will add 3D due to it killing the battery (one of the most important things for Apple). Plus the 3xy name has been used already in the 3G and 3GS models.
I don't think adding unnecessary things to anything is the Apple way. Instead, it's more minimalism by hardware and maximum efficiency and versatility without technicality on the software front (that is, for consumer-level stuff).
(Enough of that, this isn't MacRumors :P)
But it is indeed true that by advertising it as a 3DS, the 3D aspect has become the primary selling point for the system. It's a repeat of the N64 era where 64-bit hardware was used against the 32-bit PlayStation and Saturn. Except that it's riding on the 3D gimmick people have succumbed to since CES 2010.
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I wouldn't say that. Nintendo 64 was legitimately more powerful than anything else in that generation. The controller was the first of its kind to combine the now ubiquitous setup of analog and digital directional controls along with triggers on the back of the controller. The only thing Nintendo really lost on was banking on ROM carts being able to survive one more generation against optical media. Nintendo's notoriously difficult and obtuse licensing scheme didn't help either, with Rare and other first party devs getting preferential treatment.
Nothing about the N64 was a "gimmick". 3DS is a whole different animal, as it doesn't offer anything over the past generation except a slightly bumped up processor and 3D. No different than the Gamecube -> Wii. I would have to say the N64 was the last console Nintendo really innovated on.
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They're too busy innovating marketing strategies :moogy:
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That'd be the iPhone 3D or iPhone 5. And I don't think El Jobso will add 3D due to it killing the battery (one of the most important things for Apple). Plus the 3xy name has been used already in the 3G and 3GS models.
Evo 3D beat 'em to the punch, though there has been no mention of its battery life as far as I'm aware. I do know that they're supposedly using a more powerful battery than what's in the Evo 4G.
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I wouldn't say that. Nintendo 64 was legitimately more powerful than anything else in that generation. The controller was the first of its kind to combine the now ubiquitous setup of analog and digital directional controls along with triggers on the back of the controller. The only thing Nintendo really lost on was banking on ROM carts being able to survive one more generation against optical media. Nintendo's notoriously difficult and obtuse licensing scheme didn't help either, with Rare and other first party devs getting preferential treatment.
Nothing about the N64 was a "gimmick". 3DS is a whole different animal, as it doesn't offer anything over the past generation except a slightly bumped up processor and 3D. No different than the Gamecube -> Wii. I would have to say the N64 was the last console Nintendo really innovated on.
Now in regards to hardware, indeed N64 was innovative for its time. But I'm focusing on how it was marketed (a hardware feature advertised in title), not the raw hardware and its innovative streaks. And as for that last statement, that is quite true since NGC/GBA was all power improvement and the Wii/DS were gimmick-reliant versions of oh-so-slightly improved versions of their previous selves.
And soon we'll be blaming Iwata for this absurd business decision to expand the Nintendo gaming influence through the stagnation of new ideas and the reliance on catchy-but-shallow gimmick play to get the casuals.
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I have read all the criticisms in this topic and I am still going to buy one of these as soon as I can like a total sucker because I want MegaMan Legends 3.
I hate everything. :(
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I have read all the criticisms in this topic and I am still going to buy one of these as soon as I can like a total sucker because I want MegaMan Legends 3.
I hate everything. :(
Me too most likely. I mean, Nintendo's not going to drop a new hardware revision for at least a year, and prices aren't going to fall anytime soon either. And the NGP is far enough away to not really affect my decision. Plus it's going to get games, it's Nintendo.
I just expect it to collect a lot of dust for a while until things start coming out :\
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I know I'm going to get one, but I'm going to do the smart thing and wait for the 3DS Dual Core Alpha Warrior Butler Neo.
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I know I'm going to get one, but I'm going to do the smart thing and wait for the 3DS Dual Core Alpha Warrior Butler Neo.
I won't have a choice, I have to wait, but oh god I am so tempted to just say fuck it and get one and the extended battery :\
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Looks like I'm going to be the cool kid on my block for purchasing a third party battery to extend the shitty life.
Though I'm still most likely not getting a 3DS anytime soon.
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3DS get :3 Now to charge this thing and get massive headaches woo!
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Well, I can always hope that Legends 3 doesn't come out until after there have been re-releases with noticeable hardware improvements and/or a price drop.
Lord knows I've waited for this goddamn game long enough!
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Lord knows I've waited for this goddamn game long enough!
We all have! However it's not anywhere near release for what I can see.
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Oh man the 3D is better than I thought, but maybe that's because I've only read bad things about it :V
I think I know what one of the issues is though. You're supposed to play it a least a foot away from your face. The 3D looks better and I'm assuming it won't be as hard on the eyes.
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A friend(probably my only friend too *cough*) got a 3DS. I'm not impressed. Going to wait for the 3DSlite and good titles to be released.
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Hmm my speakers seems oddly quiet. Guess I should go get that checked :x
or maybe it's just me
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The only thing that would've made the 3DS a day one buy for me if there was a new Advance Wars game being released as a launch title.
Until then I'm gonna wait on buying the 3DS.
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Well, gonna try out this streetpass thing tommorow on my way to school. Not gonna get my hopes up but hey it's not like it takes any effort to do. :derp:
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When you see it, you will shit bricks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2vxbH5jWic)
More misinterpreted instructions (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/710707/3ds-instruction-guide-dont-let-the-rubber-duckie-kill-your-baby/)
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I have read all the criticisms in this topic and I am still going to buy one of these as soon as I can like a total sucker because I want MegaMan Legends 3.
I hate everything. :(
I empathise with you.
At first, I was totally unimpressed by the whole 3D gimmick. And then, Capcom gave the internet a picture of Professor Layton and Phoenix Wright, together, in the same frame. Oh God, this could not be true! Is this what I think it is? *insert fangirl scream*
God damn it, Capcom! Localise the damn game, will you! I'm going to spam your e-mail everyday until you localise it.
ps: By localise, I mean localise it into the U.S. I'll let the butchered Queen's English slide for this one.
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Cave Story 3D. Nuff said.
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oh god
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8319/hni0015u.jpg)(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8370/hni0014b.jpg)
is it wrong to feel attracted to a Mii? :ohdear:
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oh god
(http://)
is it wrong to feel attracted to a Mii? :ohdear:
Well, there WAS Wii Love in Japan, but even with that Mii attraction is a new one....
Funny name BTW, but needs closed eyes to give the asleep impression.
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I managed to detect about 7 people today w/ streetpass.
Looks like I learned this streetpass thing is region free. I think I heard one guy mutter "What's with this Japanese Mii?".
Oh, the wonders of having an imported 3DS.
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Man I've gotten nothing so far, but I guess it's cause I've only been on campus :V
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All my 7 finds were on campus. You sure your 3DS isn't off while you were walking? :3
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No it was definitely on :x
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No it was definitely on :x
Go to a new campus with people that play 3DS, then. 8)
Right now, I'm loving my 3DS so much. My old, discarded DSi must feel very :parsee: right now.~
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I went to a college visit in Boston for about 7 hours. I only found 2 people on Streetpass, and actual people seem to be useless compared to hired heroes in Find Mii :(