League of Legends Thread XIII: http://www.twitch.tv/saltyteemo

[Schezo]

Swain is a great pick vs melee top since his kit lets him kite them to oblivion 

I guess because I started Kenny after the mark nerfs I still find him bonkers top lane.  If you run him 28/2/0 the struggle is so real for your opponent.

I also recommend wukong since its a free lane if you master trading stance and can cs which with Tiamat is super easy to farm top and then run and take jungle.

[Aba Matindesu!]

28-2-0? This interests me greatly. TELL ME MORE.

e: never mind, found it. Kennen it is :3

[Think Komachi with a Rifle]

In that respect, I think I should master a new toplane champion just in case I don't get mid or support. Karma works, but it's only a matter of time before the sheep catch on. So the question is, who do I get (with 4800 IP)? Renekton (incoming nerfs), Kennen (marks nerfed into oblivion), Swain, Trundle (who I can't play to save my life), Jarvan (<), Irelia (<), or Vayne?

As ever what's in the roster already.
Teemo SATAN is always good to know
They're nerfing Renekton, I thought he was who all other toplanes were balanced against?!


I've been trying to learn the dark art of Poppy.
Although Rumble and Dr Mundo appear to do well vs everything currently (except xin zhao, and I guess wukong (rarely seen)).
Taric sadly fared badly with rework and is no longer godly at toplane ,still viable vs AD heavy comps though (armour is harder to stack than mana alongside actually good stats).

[Raikaria]

> Last second swap to Mordekaiser

Casters: [The one who's not talking already* WHOOOOA!
*slight pause*
Both: HUEHUEHUE

[Suikama]

morde es #1

[Raikaria]

Found this on the LolReddit; pretty appropriate:



Also M gets punished for Aranea's ragequit.

And now we have Karma and Kassadino. And Talon.

Casters: 'Talon hard counters Kassadin'

No he doesn't. At any distance except between 700 [Cuthtroat range] and 650 [Null Sphere range] Kassadin wins.

50 range where Talon beats Kassadin. That's like; half a Teemo. And even if you do get that magical 50 range; you have 1 second before you get silenced.

And even if you are killing Kassadin in that 1 second; Kassadin roams far; far better; so will just snowball other lanes.

Talon beating Kassadin is a myth.

Also aside from Shen; who is more like 0 damage; M is ALL physical. And two of them fall off hard [Pantheon and Talon] and the AD isn't exactly a hypercarry [Lucian]

Edit: Case in point: Talon cuththroats in; ults... and Kassadin is no longer silenced and blinks out so Talon's R does almost nothing.

[Suikama]

OH MY GOD GAMBIT

THIS FUCKING GAME

THE DODGES

THE 1 HP TEAMFIGHTS

EDWARD SOLOING THE AD CARRY 1v1


OH MY GOD THEY EVEN ENDED THE GAME RIGHT ON 42:00 ARE YOU SERIOUS

[Raikaria]

The hero LeBlanc clone as well.

Also even by Edward's standards; he is re-defining 'Support Carry'.

[Widermelonz]

Talon beating Kassadin is a myth.

I've shitted on every Kassadin from all tiers (except challenger, not yet) when I play as Talon. If kass survives talon's all-ins then either a) kass was near full health b) kass built super tanky c) kass zhonya'd d) kass had a level advantage e) talon got cockblocked.

[Suikama]

I don't think that guy in the LCS really plays Talon cause he would only ever trade with ability poke and never auto attacked Kassadin for the bleed passive

[Raikaria]

I've shitted on every Kassadin from all tiers (except challenger, not yet) when I play as Talon. If kass survives talon's all-ins then either a) kass was near full health b) kass built super tanky c) kass zhonya'd d) kass had a level advantage e) talon got cockblocked.

Well every time I see a Talon claim he counters Kassadin he loses.

And it was shown by basic mechanics in the game near the start.

Kassadin was near full HP; but the exchange ended with him around 60% [Although Talon did not Ignite]. Talon also went down to like 60%; but blew his R.
Kassadin only had Armguard
They were both Lv 6
The only thing that cockblocked Talon was Riftwalk.

[Ryuu]

i've converted to the dark side

[Raikaria]

What is this magic trick that lets you go mid so often in normals?

[Ryuu]

What is this magic trick that lets you go mid so often in normals?

"please"

the last two were support tho

[Raikaria]

"please"

the last two were support tho

That works in NA? Don't here.

[Think Komachi with a Rifle]

"please"

the last two were support tho

how does that work in the 1/4 of a second before someone insta locks

[Ryuu]

idk i just click on my champion and type "[lane] please". if someone else picks the same role i talk it out with them and change accordingly.

or i draft and just give them a preference order.

[Raikaria]

Apparently I should consider actually buying Thresh instead of staying away from him.

This is me on Thresh when I don't own him and have played him like 3 times ever.

The amount of baiting and outsmarting I did was hilarious [Oh you think I'm out of position? NOPE BOX + DARK PASSAGE LOLOLOLO ENJOY]; but not as funny as when one teamfight started when Vi jumped on our LB; I Q'ed Vi; pulled in; Boxed... and the entire enemy team ran right into it and basically got butchered by a LB Distortion + Riven Wind Slash + Jinx Rocket.

Also I kinda got Jinx 3 early kills by landing 3 great hooks in a row.

Now excuse me while I throw people who claim Thresh is a difficult champion to play out of the window.

Also; if Eym is around; can you post what you think of Rumble mid in the current meta of Gragas and Assassins everywhere? A discussion came up somewhere else and rather than just blather on about Rumble's Ultimate being useless against Gragas and Kah'Zix; I think it's probobly a good idea I ask the guy who plays Rumble mid a fair bit about this.

[Mr. Sacchi]

> PC died, picks up mom's laptop to do something.
> Friends call me for LoL, I say meh might as well.
> Zero coordination thanks to the lack of skype.
> Pick up Diana because haven't played with her in absolutely forever.
> 16/2/x

Someone explain how I ALWAYS carry when I play with my friends? It has even become a running gag: "Sacchi carry us, pls."

Of course, when I DON'T carry my team falls apart, or it tends to.

Also, BR servers have been extremely unstable, one second, works fine, the other, 10 disconnects. Right now, for example, writing this as I'm 7/4 in a Riven game where I'm pretty much carrying, not because of good play on my part, mind you, but good itemization, enemy team is entirely physical (Ezreal/Kha'Zix/Rengar/Yasuo/Malphite) so after finishing my core build (Ionian Boots and Hydra) I did a Frozen Heart, no HP items whatsoever, turns out, team fight where rengar AND kha'zix focus me? I get out almost full health, of course, the kha is stupid because I had taken half his health away before the teamfight and my ult execute + syndra's Q left him with 1 HP, I killed him with random hydra AoE, lol.

Early game was terrible though, I got dunked by Kha at level 1 because I thought I had enough damage to take him (hint: I didn't) and I should've waited level 2, however, dunked him another 3 times before his Rengar buddy (ha ha) finally came in to gank and they wiped me off because I had no armor at that point.

Then it was a slugfest between me and Kha that eventually ended with me being in a position prime for towerdiving and kha not exactly much better health, Rengar comes from behind, jumps on me while in stealth, I get enough forewarning thanks to lol true sight from the tower, W stun, flash away, then Wukong comes in and though he dies, I manage to pick up both Kha and Rengar and Hydra keeps me alive to push down the tower. I love Riven.

The game went to shit after that though, we got a Loss Prevented.

[Aba Matindesu!]

That works in NA? Don't here.

It works in Gold+ NA. Of course everyone below has both victim and superiority complex so they will insist on being selfish pricks, even when someone else's lane is clearly countered.

[Raikaria]

It works in Gold+ NA. Of course everyone below has both victim and superiority complex so they will insist on being selfish pricks, even when someone else's lane is clearly countered.

Gold+ doesn't matter much in Normals; which Ryu's games were :V

[Aba Matindesu!]

Gold+ doesn't matter much in Normals; which Ryu's games were :V

Exactly. More likely to cooperate and everything, right?

[Schezo]

Gold+ doesn't matter much in Normals; which Ryu's games were :V

?  Normals still have MMR proportional to rank ratings if you do good there so it does?

[Raikaria]

Yeah but you don't know your normal MMR.

Also; can someone please explain how a LeBlanc; who has a silence; a decent range dash; and a snare; can manage to die 10 times in 21 mins [so 19 of game time; there was no lv1 fights] to a Riven; who is all melee?

Without 'intentionally feeding'.

[Aba Matindesu!]

It's entirely possible if she gets ganked. Otherwise, yeah, I really don't see how; it's not like LB could get stunned if she backed out immediately after Q -> W.

Of course, there's also the possibility of the Riven being able to read the Leblanc and dove the moment she Q'd, but that's unlikely.

[Think Komachi with a Rifle]

Yeah but you don't know your normal MMR.

Also; can someone please explain how a LeBlanc; who has a silence; a decent range dash; and a snare; can manage to die 10 times in 21 mins [so 19 of game time; there was no lv1 fights] to a Riven; who is all melee?

Without 'intentionally feeding'.

uses the "dash" for harass, gets stunned by riven.
Riven R should also just hard counter LBs passive.

It would be very easy to end up on a death streak if riven got fed enough to tower dive her.
Having been there as the 0-10 guy it's often better to keep dying but try to keep csing and defend the tower, by that point you're worth less than a siege minion and will hardly be feeding, the tower is worth 10 times as much gold as you are.  More important is to bail with your build and totally stop building damage (getting a kill in this situation is really bad, as it will reset the death streak)

This is actually what normally happens to LB if she doesn't get a kill of two and start snowballing, she falls off super hard.

I've seen an intentional feeder twice (one was on ARAM), the build is alacrity boots of swiftness, and 5 zeals.

Also I think Riot may have partially reset normal MMR, or be using a different algorithm, I'm getting really odd normals currently. 
So she could have just been horribly mismatched.

[Raikaria]

uses the "dash" for harass, gets stunned by riven.

Not ten times

Riven R should also just hard counter LBs passive.
And LB Q->R should hard counter Riven's everything. Silenced Riven can't do much

It would be very easy to end up on a death streak if riven got fed enough to tower dive her.

Q+R; Snare; Distortion? Nope. Not easy.
Having been there as the 0-10 guy it's often better to keep dying but try to keep csing and defend the tower
She wasn't 0-10; she traded 2 kills on dives so her bountry reset

This is actually what normally happens to LB if she doesn't get a kill of two and start snowballing, she falls off super hard.

On another hand; I call top. No-one objects. I go Warwick.

Someone else then locks Nasus.

So I end up playing 'Carry' Warwick; with Teleport; botlane.

And it somehow works.

Said Nasus literally said nothing the entire game [and pre-game] by the way.

[Aba Matindesu!]

Silver 5 get! (again)

I wonder what the future holds. Tempted to master Leona or buy Thresh because they're fotm, but I feel like I should stick to my guns and play Sona/Soraka/Karma when I don't get mid.

[Raikaria]

Now we know what the purpose of the HEXAKILL! announcement added to the game was.

New featured game type: 6v6; called Hexakill.

6v6 seems interesting; since it likely necessitates 2 duo lanes [Unless you start seeing freaky stuff like Trilanes or a permament roamer or something]

But I don't see too many people wanting to play it because 2 duo lanes probobly means 2 supports. And 95% of people won't want to support.

[Schezo]

People want to support more than adc now.

Thresh has always been loaded as shit because of how much utility he has.  He's with Elise being more than flavor of the month, just flavor of the year.