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League of Legends Thread XIII: http://www.twitch.tv/saltyteemo
« on: November 12, 2013, 05:06:10 PM »
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Re: League of Legends Thread XIII: http://www.twitch.tv/saltyteemo
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 05:46:15 PM »
People were kicking up a stink about the re-naming of Shurelia's [Rightfully so!] so Riot are doing this:



Change name from Icon of the Sun Disk to Shurima's Reverie [Also again suggesting a Shurima update at some point; as the main site does heavily when you look at champions like Cass and Skarner being listed as Shuriman.]
Added a lore thing; similar to the Ionian Boots; stating Shurelia. [Same with Philo Stone/Pebble]

Also if you search 'Shurelia' in the item box it will still bring up this item.


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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 06:04:01 PM »
Now where's the Spooky Ghost's official renaming at  :colbert:
Also I don't get what's going on in the link title this time around I don't see any Teemos  ??? ???

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2013, 06:24:54 PM »
Now where's the Spooky Ghost's official renaming at  :colbert:
Also I don't get what's going on in the link title this time around I don't see any Teemos  ??? ???

I think it was supposed to be bronze 5 matches, but since ranked is disabled, he can't do it right now.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2013, 06:40:00 PM »
my favorite thing I've seen on saltyteemo so far is a Vlad who goes all-in and I'm like "why is he not popping Tides of Blood" and then I realize he's maxed pool instead, whoops

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2013, 06:56:55 PM »
Why are they renaming Shurelia's anyway? Just because she's no longer a Riot employee?

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2013, 07:29:48 PM »
Why are they renaming Shurelia's anyway? Just because she's no longer a Riot employee?

Because they want each of the gold items for supports linked to a region. There's the Sheild of Targon; Shard of TrueIce [Frejlord]; and this.


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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2013, 08:55:14 PM »
Because they want each of the gold items for supports linked to a region. There's the Sheild of Targon; Shard of TrueIce [Frejlord]; and this.

Oh okay, I guess that makes sense.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 11:09:22 PM »
re: the last thread

if you are laning when behind and you build defense, in most cases you will just get more behind

i mean there are definite exceptions(nasus and cdr)

the argument is basically if you build defense, they can usually still bully you and kill you anyway. if you build offense, you lose lane just as much as you did before, except now if your team shows up to gank, you actually have damage output

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2013, 12:42:14 AM »
Yes; but Nocturne wasn't laneing against the Riven. Nor was Gangplank; for that matter. It was midlane Riven. And this was at the end of a 40 min game where no-one had armor except me [Leona]. [Ninja Tabis as only armor item Nocturne doesn't count]

And the Riven had LW/BC; so she was basically dealing True Damage to the guys who refused to build armor.

And their team had a Tristana. So yeah. Totally no need to build any armor items at all.

Edit:

Watching some SaltyTeemo; this is gold. So much Hurricane. So much Double Deathcap. One chat had some gems:

'they need to be slapped by a densely wet hand'

and this gem I'm stealing and sigging:
'Don't argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2013, 04:31:14 AM »

and this gem I'm stealing and sigging:
'Don't argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'.

You've never heard that one before?

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2013, 06:17:38 AM »
aaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhh

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2013, 09:49:17 AM »
People were kicking up a stink about the re-naming of Shurelia's [Rightfully so!] so Riot are doing this:



Change name from Icon of the Sun Disk to Shurima's Reverie [Also again suggesting a Shurima update at some point; as the main site does heavily when you look at champions like Cass and Skarner being listed as Shuriman.]
Added a lore thing; similar to the Ionian Boots; stating Shurelia. [Same with Philo Stone/Pebble]

Also if you search 'Shurelia' in the item box it will still bring up this item.

I have actually never used this item... i guess the last few updated made it crappy :(

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2013, 10:16:44 AM »
i forgot to take a picture of this myself but

THE TRYHARD FORCE


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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2013, 02:30:48 PM »
i forgot to take a picture of this myself but

THE TRYHARD FORCE


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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2013, 03:40:12 PM »
I have actually never used this item... i guess the last few updated made it crappy :(
It was a near essential buy on most supports late game, due to the active. Mitigated at high level play due to wards  being that OP.

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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2013, 03:51:19 PM »
Still is pretty much the only support item you'll be building b/c its from a pholistone.

As in your game went on for 40 minutes and you got the gold and ruby sightstone already.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 03:54:34 PM by Dlanor A. Knox »

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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2013, 04:15:02 PM »
for season 4 you cant even build it if you dont start philo though

and most supports probably want the emblem because it gives a ton of gold if you always execute the cannon minion and gives the most useful stats for trading/fighting (HP and HP5)


if you're in a farm lane though the new philo does give quite a bit


meanwhile kages is kinda eh because it doesnt give as many useful stats and pickpocket passive without any hp or hp5 seems like a losing combination. I guess it's mainly for full offense supports like annie and nidalee since it acts as a mini doran's ring and gives gold for harass instead of farming. No HP though means it's really a risky pickhue.


i'm kinda split on the trinket right now though

i thought sweeping with be the best at first as it's the oracles replacement, but it only lasts for a really short amount of time and has a really long cooldown at early levels so really you can only kill one or two wards with it in lane
but on top of that because supports want to start GP10 now or else they will fall way behind, you can only start with 1-2 wards (mostly 1 because with 2 you get 0 pots), so starting sweeping lens will deny yourself a lot of vision especially if your ADC is too busy farming to use their ward trinket

on the other having a warding totem at first seems like a waste when combined with sightstone (since you can only have 3 wards), but it has several advantages over sweeping lens
1. you get constant wards even during lane. if your ad carry goes a warding totem as well, you can have one area constantly warded or alternate between two areas. unlike sightstone the warding totem has unlimited charges so right from the get go you will always have wards
2. when you hit level 9 you can upgrade it to drop vision wards so it does not conflict with sightstone at all and instead compliments it nicely. also it give you the ward clearing effects of the sweeping lens with

on the other other hand in lane sweeping lens can be used to negate the effect of the warding totem (well not completely because of the cooldown differences)
it can also be used to quickly clear a brush for a gank or maintain bot brush dominance, although they can just sacrifice their ward totem and they drop their real ward in late and the CD is so long you wont be able to clear it so you're better off just buying a vision ward
but when you hit level 9 and fully upgrade it then it becomes a full on oracles for 10 seconds every 90 seconds while the vision totem gives you only one vision ward every 3 minutes

both trinkets will let you clear baron for wards but only the sweeping one will let you clear early dragons
however in that case the jungler should be the one who gets it as they can also check if their buffs are warded

the ward totem is likely the safer and more practical choice as not only do you get constant early wards and thus have to spend less on wards early and dont have to frantically rush sightstone, you also get vision abilities at level 9 so you dont really miss out on that


and cv trinket is lol
also it has a short range and a longer cooldown than the actual cv
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 05:22:55 PM by Suikama »

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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2013, 05:18:09 PM »
I doubt adcs are going to have much consideration for which minions the support ends up killing and just try to keep them all.

Executioner's doesn't look very solo queue friendly.

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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2013, 05:19:59 PM »
It does execute anything below 200HP though, most ADCs don't really do 200 damage on a single attack aside from ults during the laning phase.

Which means that, yeah, they might not really let you have the minions, but you can still take the cannon minion anyway and still give him extra gold. Win-Win.

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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2013, 05:24:41 PM »
yeah pretty much you get to out execute your carry even if they're a butt

also it has a pretty clear visual effect with two floating coins around the support showing they can share two cs so the adc will easily know if that last hit was a share or a steal

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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2013, 05:25:17 PM »
It does execute anything below 200HP though, most ADCs don't really do 200 damage on a single attack aside from ults during the laning phase.

Which means that, yeah, they might not really let you have the minions, but you can still take the cannon minion anyway and still give him extra gold. Win-Win.

How does the execute even work? Is it based on AAs or like a click pick smite thing?

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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2013, 05:36:12 PM »
your auto attack will auto kill a minion if it has 200 hp or less

also another fun thing about the emblem is once you have bought the full upgrade + ruby sightstone you get 760 HP which is equal to exactly 2 giants belts :V

then you just build either ninja tabi or merc treads depending on what resist you need and you will tank like a top laner

actually since chalice gives MR you might as well get ninja tabi


on the other hand if you build shurelyassun disk + ionian boots then with masteries you get the full 40% CDR so it's great for supports that really want to chill away from battle


and uh with kages you get 50 AP :/ but at least the active is much better now (it's now basically a frozen fist slow that slows harder and you can cast on things)
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 05:40:07 PM by Suikama »

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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2013, 06:41:49 PM »
also speaking of items the new support core is probably going to look something like GP10, sightstone, boots, chalice (since mikaels is cheap now and MR is hard to get for supports otherwise)

and the full build now is probably going to be something like Full gold item, Ruby sightstone, boots, Mikaels, Locket (not cheap but good for lategame and gives needed tankiness for philo and kage paths), and finally either OHMWRECKER (cheaper and good for philo path because it gives HP and for kages path because it gives HP+AP) or Zeke's (for emblem path because it gives CDR which you otherwise kinda lack and MORE HP + lifesteal for everyone) or you could build whatever the fuck you want because the game is probably over at this point


for the emblem path, you might as well grab Zekes for CDR as the final item because at that point you'll already have 1060 HP, 45 armor, 60 MR, 35 HP5, 12 MP5 + chalice passive, and 10+5% CDR. Either that or you can grab a real tank item like Randulins, spirit visage, or warmogs but that late into the game the ADC will just melt you regardless of what you get. Okay actually Spirit visage might be the best choice because it also gives 20% CDR and additional HP, HP5, and MR. If you don't care about CDR thought then just grab OHMWRECKER to help those inhibitor pushes. The AP is kinda w/e but hey more HP and dat active.

for the philo path, after you get aegis, sell ionian boots for ninja tabi before upgrading to locket or else you go over the 40% CDR limit, or you might as well get ninja tabi from the start. or just go ohmwrecker and forget upgrading to locket until there's nothing else to buy. In the end with 5 items you get 660 HP, 45 armor (with tabi, 20 without), 60 MR, 20 HP5, 27MP5 + chalice passive, and 35% CDR (or 40% with ionian at the cost of armor). So you gain CDR and MP5 at the cost of HP and HP5, so it's for squishy ranged supports like Janna/Soraka. You probably also want to upgrade your sightstone to ruby sightstone asap for that extra HP whereas the emblem path can hold off on it for a bit.

finally the kage's path is kinda weird. if you build it like the other paths then you basically lose out on everything (CDR, HP, HP5, AND MP5) for uh 50 AP :/. However since it was likely made for unconventional AP supports like Annie, then you have the option of forgetting the utility based items and going full pseudo AP using Kage's to supply you with gold instead of farming. So then after getting Shard of True Ice, Sightstone, and lol Sorc Shoes, you can grab Morellos + distortion boots for CDR letting you land more flash tibbers. Then you can get the rylai's + lyandrys combo for burning tanks especially for supports with multi hitting spells like Zyra, or go full pain mode with Deathcap + void staff, or get abyssal + ohmwrecker for team support.

at least the kage's path is way better than before. It now gives much more gold and early mp5, while before you had to sit on an abyssal tome if you got behind and then fall behind even more.


oh man emblem/Targon's is everything i could have asked for in a support item though:HP, HP5, AND you get to help your AD cs
also the other two support passives you actually get mini version of from masteries (pickpocket and non-cs)
which means with Targon's and masteries you get:
1.5GP10 from masteries
3GP10 from runes (but actually i dont think you even really need these anymore, might as well get all HP and just become an unmovable monster in lane with 164 +3% EXTRA HP AT LEVEL 1. That's a 632 HP level 1 Sona or a 718 HP LEVEL 1 NUNU. But of course you can still roll with em and have EVEN MORE GOLD)
1gold per ally cs
3 gold per 5 pickpocket (which is actually stronger than beginning kage's which is only 4 per 10 ie.2 per 5) OR 15 gold per assist (rake em in leona~$$)
and 2 cs per minute


in other news, the garen passive mastery currently doesn't actually work :/


oh man i can see how madlife broke the game now. if you could have all 3 gp10 it would be insane, and they synergize perfectly. Kage's passive potentially can give an insane amount of gold but you need hp, which you can get from targon's. Then after the enemy recalls/dies you get passive gold from philo and targon's and you rake in as much money as a full team of bankplanks.

actually it would be funny to run kage's soraka so while your enemies ignore your bananas as they seem to do nothing, in truth you are getting MAD FUCKING GOLD
8GP10 per enemy x2
+ 3GP5 per enemy x2
+ 5GP10 runes
+1.5GP10 masteries
+4GP10 from kages
= 38.5GP10 = 231 GOLD PER MINUTE THAT'S FUCKING PERFECT FARM SOLO LANE GOLD RIGHT THERE
it actually works well for annie too since her AA range is so large
of course in practice this is impossible but the potential is there
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 11:34:15 PM by Suikama »

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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2013, 11:37:48 PM »
Just a quick personal comment about philo stone: I used to buy philo stone everytime I played support and most of the time I'd do okay against average silver elo matches. But somewhat recently, since about 2 months ago, I've frequently just ignore the item entirely while I'm supporting and my average winrate increased dramatically during this time, and now I'm constantly matched with plats and diamonds and sometimes stomping them. I don't know what this means, but hey it's working out for me.

*shrug*

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2013, 12:04:44 AM »
that's cause philo got nerfed a while back so the stats it gives are pathetic, and the gold it gives only makes up for all the wards you have to buy for not having a sightstone yet


okay in practice perfect kage poking is literally impossible because of recalling and either losing OR winning the lane :V

however it still does have the best passive gp5 stat in the game now as philo only gives 2 and baby philo gives 0

realistically and roughly though they will all give around the same amount of gold (which is 300-400 by 10 minutes)
« Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 01:27:56 AM by Suikama »

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2013, 01:25:35 AM »
that and shurelya's being the only support item worth buying anymore

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2013, 01:35:52 AM »
sightstone -> boots -> shurelyas
YAY MY BUILD IS DONE

but for s4:
1. supports no longer need to buy wards + oracles (except for a few wards early game)
2. better gp10s

the first thing has the biggest impact though since right now the standard support build costs a mere 4.6k gold but they usually have 7k gold in a 30 min game which means like over 2k goes just into buy wards + oracles
now that gold will go into items + more gold from masteries mean supports can actually build an item or two outside of the core

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2013, 03:02:08 AM »
So let me tell you, tuning into the saltyteemo streams makes me feel so much better about my play :*
Never have I seen as many Hurricanes as boots on a team!  Also the smack talk from the bottom of the barrel is a thing of beauty, double so if it's from someone who was clearly carried to a silver/gold border.