Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: triangles on May 31, 2017, 01:52:40 PM
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(this may or may not have been 95% lifted from last year's thread
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FOUR JOB FIESTA TIME (http://fourjobfiesta.com/)
Q: What is this?
A: A month-and-a-half long charity marathon benefiting Child's Play. Play Final Fantasy V, on whatever platform you want (SNES, PS1, GBA, phone, Steam, emulator) with the jobs given to you by the custom RNG bot and benevolent overlord, Gilgabot!
Q: When does it start?
The fiesta begins on on June 19th or the completion of ~*~the run~*~ (details on the main site)
Registration is LIVE! (http://fourjobfiesta.com/)
It runs through the end of August, so there's plenty of time and no rush (except for #BERSERKERRISK). You can even register once the fiesta has begun, register for another run after you finish so no worries if you check this topic out later.
Q: What do I need to sign up?
A: A twitter account. That's it. You can totally make a throwaway twitter account for this; just make sure you will be able to remember the password. It's used to tweet at Gilgabot for commands, such as signing up, revealing jobs, and reporting victories. If you have a private account, you'll need to either unlock it when you send the command tweets or send a message to get added to Gilgabot's friend list (I can give instructions if needed)
~*~NEW THIS YEAR~*~ is a log-in function based on your Twitter account, so you can see all your runs from years gone by!
Q: How does the four job thing work?
A: This depends on the ruleset you choose. This also might vary since I'm writing this before everything is live
In Standard, once you get your first crystal and reveal your first job, your entire party will be locked into that job. As you get the new jobs, you need to have one representative of each available job at all times (excluding when you have insufficient party members to do so, in those cases just make sure everyone has a different job). You can swap jobs as often as you want within that limitation, and mix and match the abilities you learn freely. This is what you will sign up for by default.
In Natural Only, each character is locked to Freelancer until you get their respective crystal - at which point the character is locked forever into whatever job you got for that crystal. No mixing and matching jobs. This is the tougher one by a significant margin!
Upgrade is sort of a mix between the two modes. Your entire party will start out all the same job just as a standard run. However, once the next set of jobs is available you can choose when to ~upgrade~ your full team to your next assigned job. You can keep using any skills you learned previously and equip them on your new jobs, so have fun grinding and hope Gilgabot has mercy on you for your endgame job :V
Q: Which run choice do I pick?
A: There's several sets of runs that affect what classes you can obtain:
Regular is the original mode, you will receive one random Wind, Water, Fire, and Earth job at each crystal. This is what I'd recommend for a first timer.
Random will open up additional jobs for each crystal - any job that you haven't obtained yet that is also up for grabs. For instance, the Water crystal may also unlock a new Wind job instead, and the Earth could hand you any job in the game. You're more likely to receive jobs from the first crystals as a result, and very unlikely to see an Earth crystal job.
Chaos Mode is similar to Random, except that any job is up for grabs for each crystal. This means you have a pretty decent chance of not getting a job from the Wind crystal and needing to No Job Siesta a bit longer. This mode also enables the possibility of rolling the same job for multiple crystals!
~*~New~*~Popular Mode is similar to Chaos Mode, but it's weighted towards jobs that were voted for on Twitter a little bit ago. Chaos mode for people who are afraid of getting 3 Geomancers and a Dragoon, basically.
Pure Chaos Mode is if you want Chaos but don't want dupes. As a bonus Mime and Freelancer are also up for grabs!
Team 750 and Team No 750 is a modifier this year that divides the classes in half in the general theme of Magic vs Physical (or close enough to allow an even divide) named after the cost of an elemental rod, as using/breaking one in battle to cast a powerful spell is a common tactic for mages. The breakdowns are:
- Team 750: Wind - White Mage/Black Mage/Blue Mage Water - Time Mage/Summoner/Red Mage Fire - Geomancer/Bard Earth - Chemist/Dancer
- Team No 750: Wind - Thief/Monk/Knight Water - Mystic Knight/Berserker Fire - Ninja/Beastmaster/Ranger Earth - Dragoon/Samurai
Classic will assign you one of the six original FF1 classes at each job, and can assign you multiples of the same job. This is automatically under Natural Only rules, as above. Could be potentially hellish (four white mages is a legit risk)
~*~New~*~#Krile will overwrite your prior Earth Crystal roll with a new job (following whatever run type you are on) when Krile joins your team. You can't use any skills from your prior final roll, so a sort of do-over but only for the 4th job.
Q: Berserker Risk?
A: Based on the amount of donations received before preregistration ends vs the number of players who signed up for this, those players will be guaranteed to receive at least one Berserker and maybe more depending on job mode! You can only sign up for Berserker Risk before the Fiesta begins so choose wisely. They're quite a challenging class to work with due to really being entirely out of your control, but that doesn't mean they're bad. Just brace yourself!
To clarify, adding #BERSERKKERRISK to a Regular run will lock you into getting a 'zerker for your Water crystal job and that's it (they will always hit the bare minimum of donations) Adding it to a Random run opens up the possibility of your Fire and/or Earth crystal jobs getting overridden by THE RISK. And Chaos Mode? Hope you're ready for the chance of FOUR BERSERKERS :o
In my opinion/experience, having just one isn't much of a liability outside of a few battles and for some teams it'd be a great source of damage throughout the game. If you really want a risk, make sure to sign up for Chaos or Random!
Q: I don't know Final Fantasy V that well...
A: What a great time to come play the best one! Our buddy Garlyle is some sort of FF5 Wizard and wrote a handbook (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtr4hud61zu35wg/ffv%20fjf%20handbook.txt) (it's written using SNES terms, but a number of us in here can translate so don't be hesitate to ask for clarification!) specifically oriented towards the FJF that covers more or less everything you'd ever want to know to make the most of the game's mechanics, the classes you've drawn, to help you figure out boss strategies, etc. Also, MotK has several veterans of this challenge, and we'll always be available to offer a helping hand if you stumble or just run face first into a brick wall.
And yes, this is totally a great excuse to play FFV for the first time!
FOR NEW PLAYERS: I recommend doing a Normal run for your first playthrough. Don't let all these wacky options scare you!
Q: Is there any way I can watch someone miss on Byblos 6 times in a row and laugh at her misfortune?
A: A few of us will be streaming our runs! Come check us out, subscribe to keep on top of stream times and post if you got a link I missed!
Garlyle (http://www.hitbox.tv/garlyle)
triangles (http://www.twitch.tv/made_of_triangles)
Arashi (maybe??) (http://www.hitbox.tv/ArashiKurobara)
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Shameless self promotion - even my orchestra got into the spirit of the Fiesta! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAA5idX92Iw)
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Me: "I wanna try this !"
Brain: "But you never ever played FFV !"
Me: "Well shit you are right... but whatever !"
Teach me mastahs.
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Oh boy oh boy! I've been waiting and ready! Admittedly I'll probably just roll with a chaos non-natural run like I did last year and maybe post about it a handful of times like last year. Speaking of which, last year went real smoothly, but I have to give another Salty Sour Grapes award to the red mage class, which I found out the hard was was all fashion and no function. :(
Me: "I wanna try this !"
Brain: "But you never ever played FFV !"
Me: "Well shit you are right... but whatever !"
Teach me mastahs.
We've walked a number of people through tricky spots in the past and we'll do it again!
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I was thinking I wouldn't have time to do it, but actually, I could play during my lunch breaks... I wanted to try it for a while.
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ONE OF US
ONE OF US
Meanwhile.....
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This will be my what, 5th year?
It's about time I do THE RISK
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You know what the problem is this year?
The FJF starts like a day after FFXIV Stormblood launches.
RIP any chance of me finishing a run this year
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You have this game basically memorized I believe in you to squeeze out at least one run even with the advent of sexy sexy Red Mages and Samurai on the horizon :3
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ONE OF US
ONE OF US
Meanwhile.....
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This will be my what, 5th year?
It's about time I do THE RISK
Madwoman.
Anyways, i wanna do this run completely blind, never played before, never seen the bosses, dunno anything about the jobs, quite literally blind to what is in it other than the basic commands.
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I am hesitating between a Normal and Random run for a first time, since I already played FFV. I feel like Random is potentially funnier, but also potentially more frustrating...
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If you never played the game before, I recommend doing the Standard/Normal mode. It's unlikely you'll get a completely dud team with how the crystals are distributed, which is more than one can say for Random (can select from any job currently unlocked) or Chaos (all jobs are on the table, even ones you cannot use yet)
Now you can stack the deck in your favor with easier jobs by using the RegPopular mode that's new this year, as the voted upon classes are more than likely the more OP ones. But I still think doing it the Standard mode for your first time is best.
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Starting with a regular old Chaos run this year. We shall see if the Water Crystal has mercy upon me!
I might stream some depending on whether or not I get a god damned job before the Fiesta starts. We shall seeeeeee.
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Streaaaaaaaam
do it do it don't let me be the only one who's going to stream her inevitable zerker/zerker/zerker/geomancer disasterfest.
(I start work June 12th and welp I ain't letting it stop me!)
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Streaaaaaaaam
do it do it don't let me be the only one who's going to stream her inevitable zerker/zerker/zerker/geomancer disasterfest.
(I start work June 12th and welp I ain't letting it stop me!)
I mean really I think this sort of thing comes down to motivation and harsh reality. I'd do it but don't want to hold a schedule and futz with the audio 100 times when half of my audience lives in the same apartment that I do. :V
Starting with a regular old Chaos run this year. We shall see if the Water Crystal has mercy upon me!
I might stream some depending on whether or not I get a god damned job before the Fiesta starts. We shall seeeeeee.
Aw fuck not this shit again. :(
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Aw fuck not this shit again. :(
The world turns, and everything is the same, man.
It's not so bad this time, for Reasons, at least.
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Hello there lively people in the fiesta! It's me again, your resident Jester that couldn't as much beat Omega in all of his runs
This will be my 3rd year here, and I hope this year's going to be fun as well.
Stream? What's that? (no one's gonna watch me either + I'm abusing fast forward a lot)
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Not really a fan of the new modes myself. Fifth Job would be neat if you didn't have to drop the previous 4th job's abilities.
Also looking back on the player history, why did I not bother with beating Omega with a Monk, Knight, Mystic Knight, White Mage party(even if it was natural)? That was the one run I've had that didn't triple victory, and it wasn't even due to the team not being able to do it. I've had some teams that had that fight way, way worse but were still able to do it and have yet to roll a team that actually could not do it.
Since I don't care for the new additions, I'll probably be sticking with Chaos and Pure Chaos this year. Went with a repeat of the category I did first last year for the first (Chaos No 750 Berserker Risk, and not Natural so I can't avoid quadzerking unless I roll something usable before it)
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If you plan on streaming let me know and I'll update the OP!
I'm going to try and convince members of my orchestra to join in the fiesta festivities this gonna be good.
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Still got my no 750 run for fun I was doing to finish up, then it's 750 this time around. If I make it through fast enough and have the time, I'll go for the purest of chaos. Still, agoijefiojweoij starts on the 19th, Stormblood early access is the 16th, proper release on the 20th, why this.
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My biggest problem with streaming is that I've played way too much FFV to go through it without massive speedup, especially if I get a team that has to grind a bunch, and that's not exactly fun to watch (or listen to).
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I decided to take it easy for now and I will do a Normal Run for my first playthrough. It should be fun.
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Yes it will be! Glad to have you aboard the FIESTA HYPE TRAIN
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It begin again, huh? Well then, I think I'll give it a try this time. I think I'll play Popular Run (Eventhough I still prefer to play by my own rules). Hope that I don't get crappy Job.
Note: I didn't know that registering uses your Twitter username. So I ended up registering with my real name. Besides, My nickname is 16 characters long without space. Twitter only support up to 15 characters.
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I'm gonna sit this one out, myself. I did all the tablet dungeons last year, and while it would be nice to roll a team that could cheese Omegaryu, I don't have much interest in either of them. I will, however, do something I haven't done casually...The Sealed Temple. That should be...Fun. :V
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Coming up this weekend!
The run looks solidly middle of the ground - White Mage, Zerker, Beastmaster, Dragoon.
Fiesta hype hype hype!
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Well, Shinryu's toast this The Run, that's for sure. And maybe Omega. Can't wait!
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I suspect all of THE RUN is gonna be played on a platform !Calm-locking is valid so that robot is gonna get robowned.
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Omega is totally viable with 3 !Calm users and... either the draggy with a trident or maybe the zerker with the rune axe plus !White? Omega is F A S T though so I dunno how things would bump up against that in practice. !Calm HAS given me the edge in previous matches with Omega though.
Forgetful Edit: !Control is tons of fun but not real conducive to speedrunning. I'm kinda curious as to what shenanigans they might pull with BESTmaster having so many tricks up its sleeve. Kinda thinking that they'll churn out out some ridiculous !Catch/Release scheme.
Double-post-dodging edit: Almost $10k worth of berserkers for the berserker tree! It looks like there's more in the donation box this year but maybe fewer people playing? I dunno I forget what the numbers typically are. Regardless, it's rather frustrating to watch this thing start at like the least convenient time of the week.
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Looks like 1.6ish zerkers per risker, but I'm not sure how the numbers shake out for the punks who do DA RISK but on Normal mode so they cap out at one zerker.
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Wind Roll: Berserker
Unlocked Water even though I haven't played yet because I know it's gonna be Berserker due to risk: Berserker
I think I know which version I'm doing this on.
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IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN
Going for a Chaos run this time around. Let's see if I roll dancer for the umpteen-billionth time.
Also heads up Triangles, the gba-translation of the handbook is returning a 404. :<
EDIT:
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Uh-oh.
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Started out with Beastmaster, making this year the 3rd time I've had it in 4 runs. I might play up until the fire crystal, see what I wind up with, and roll again if I get 3 or 4 repeats. It's not that I wouldn't welcome a well balanced teammate capable of stalling, manipulating baddies into wiping their own team, or busting out a 9999 damage whupstick every so often, but I just don't want to play through the game with the same team again.
IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN
Going for a Chaos run this time around. Let's see if I roll dancer for the umpteen-billionth time.
Also heads up Triangles, the gba-translation of the handbook is returning a 404. :<
EDIT:
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Uh-oh.
Hahaha welp.
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Don't forget about that flail in the ship graveyard. Hopefully the water crystal gives you some offense. Regardless, you've already beaten the game.
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EVERY FUCKING YEAR
EDIT: So in spite of being in the Team 750 category, Bards cannot break rods.
The journey to Earth job is going to be an absolute nightmare.
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>Wind Job: Blue Mage.
Ehm... is this good ?
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Yes it is! I've never been so lucky to have one, but enough folks in here have so they can point you in the right direction of the don't-miss spells.
I'm starting with ninja this time, new class!
I'm also doing da risk so I know what my water crystal will be and therefore 4zerks 4liquid flame welp that's gonna be a night.
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>Wind Job: Blue Mage.
Ehm... is this good ?
It takes a bit of effort to get the right skills, but once you're prepped blue mage has a lot of great coverage. Check the handbook mentioned in the title for a good idea of what to look for.
Meanwhile, I've been grinding mercilessly to get my team of four bards past Sandworm. Level 27 and counting...:|
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Just got the Fire Crystal, and the third roll is another Berserker.
For quadzerk Liquid Flame, I'd recommend going to level 22. With Mythril Knives, you'll have decent damage, and at that level you have the HP set so that several of the characters take 5 blazes to die instead of 4. Managed to first try it this time due to some okay luck as well as knowing the exact level I wanted.
Will I get the Game Plays Itself Dream? Well, we probably won't know for a while because Sandworm.
Also, I did make sure to fully power the Chicken Knife before I got my berserkers, so it will be usable on bosses. But of course the softlock bug is a thing for normal battles, so I'd have to have it off most of the time once I get it. Plus as expected I am likely going to be glad for the underflow bug.
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Snooped on my water crystal job and wound up with a bard, greatly improving the chances that I'll just stick with what I have as opposed to job fairing something.
>Wind Job: Blue Mage.
Ehm... is this good ?
This is how I started my first FJF! It's worth emphasizing what everyone else has said thus far: They start slow but if you've picked up a bunch of spells using a walkthrough, they're real great all around and have fantastic utility. It's worth stating however that they aren't nukes, which are typically the easiest thing to understand and use. Their spells create opportunities that will make a huge difference throughout the game, though magic accuracy may throw you off every so often.
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Wind was White Mage. Things were slow and annoying.
Water was Thief. Aaargh, no damage, no anything.
Fire gave me Beastmaster, so I can go out of my way and deal occasional bursts of damage, blehhhh. Annoying as hell, but at least I can deal with things.
I'm afraid to find out what Earth is going to be.
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My 4th is Mystic Knight for 3 Berserkers and 1 Mystic Knight.
This makes Omega doable but Shinryu will be hell. It may very well be grindier than Dragoon + 3 Berserker was because that could get away with solo powerleveling the Dragoon, while I likely need the Berserkers leveled up here for Shinryu.
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So after making it to level 28 and still getting annihilated, I decided enough was enough and job faired away one of the Bards to get Black Mage instead. Cracking rods on Sandworm's face was immensely satisfying.
Also my Earth job is Beastmaster, so that's...something.
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Rushing through the game with these jobs at the moment in random mode:
-Black Mage (Gilgabot's being kind to me for some reason)
-Berserker (obligatory, also rune axe/earth hammer shenanigans lategame)
-Thief (STEAL EVERYTHING!? And flee too)
Stopped after getting fire-powered ship. Seems like this run won't be getting the superbosses, but let's see what earth crystal will give.
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Wind was White Mage. Things were slow and annoying.
Water was Thief. Aaargh, no damage, no anything.
Fire gave me Beastmaster, so I can go out of my way and deal occasional bursts of damage, blehhhh. Annoying as hell, but at least I can deal with things.
I'm afraid to find out what Earth is going to be.
I was correct to be afraid.
Zerker. >:(
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Wound up with BESTmaster, bard, No Fun Allowed (TM) dancer, and time mage. Time mage and bard were huge since they were both classes I wanted but never had before. Meanwhile, BESTmaster was a surprise favorite BUT dancer was useless until the very end of the game. Sunday was spent experiencing a roller coaster of emotions with me nervously mashing the refresh button on the FJF's Players page to see if I'd be job fairing anyone or not. Especially that dancer once it popped up. It worked out well and haha this ain't a natural run this time around you sack of crap dancer get to work at something else.
I was correct to be afraid.
Zerker. >:(
At least WM can keep everyone on their feet. Maybe slap !Control on everyone and have all the bad guys chew apart whoever the berserker decided to pick on first for trash mobs, then swap it out for however many !Catch/!Release guys you can stand for boss fights?
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Aight, I'm past Garula now.
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So now, I got that. I guess at least I got some offense now, and X-cast later will be cool.
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I've got... Dragoon, Dancer, Dragoon, Geomancer.
Geomancer is doing some cool stuff in act 2 at least, so far. Kinda.
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Aight, I'm past Garula now.
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So now, I got that. I guess at least I got some offense now, and X-cast later will be cool.
Congrats! You are now incapable of getting a game over.
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And you've got something that can hit Omniscient so you can get Holy with minimal trouble too!
I've got... Dragoon, Dancer, Dragoon, Geomancer.
Geomancer is doing some cool stuff in act 2 at least, so far. Kinda.
That combo is a... thing alright.
Meanwhile I did my 4zerk grinding while watching Futurama so I'm at level 25 all-around. Looks like I'll be streaming Fire Ship and ~beyond~ on Thursday evening at this rate. Or maybe tomorrow! Who knows!
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Started my first ever fjf run a few days ago. Just a normal run with no extra modifiers and I got (in order of their unlocking) Thief, Mystic Knight, Ninja, and Dancer. Having no source of easy healing besides items probably means this team is out in attempting to kill either Omega or Shinryu, but on the other hand...Double Lance + max power Chicken Knife = So much damage! At world 3 about to enter the pyramid for my first tablet.
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I got White Mage. Someone end my suffering as I try to grind up to level 13 so everyone can reasonably take on Garula.
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Got Geomancer as my third job. Man, that's really starting to get Magic oriented.
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Whew. Made it past the Act 2 Exdeath with everybody at level 33 (for Reflect Ring Level 3 Flare to help get past that nightmarish first phase)
I had gotten more than a few Elixirs fighting Magic Dragons along the way, but fortunately I only used 3 out of my stock of 16, so. There's that.
Now I can get my Dancer gear and actually start dealing damage reliably. And ribbons.
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I'm right next to Liquid Flame and remembered to bring along the ice rod from the second town. I'm getting jobs tonight YAAAAAY!
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Well, my first run this year, in Classic Mode provided me with white and black mage and two knights, and that went over relatively well; since it's Classic that means 2-handed never left my knights and my mages got improved MP pools. I'd run away a few times by mistake but the Brave Blade was still able to outperform even the Ragnarok even then.
...Granted I had to kill Shinryu to get the latter, but it wasn't too bad with this party; just had to keep up blink while keeping my knights and enemy berserked, and the Defender and Excalibur provided fine as secondaries until then.
Exdeath decided to be cheeky and targeted my mages with White Hole instead of my Aegis-wearing-for-that Knights, but after that and in the end I prevailed with NED with everyone left standing at the finish. Didn't attempt Omega, who knows how much grinding I'd have to do to take it down.
Then after that, it was time to check out this year's two new modes; Popular and Fifth Job. The latter may have not been a good idea, because the former got me, in order, Black Mage (again), Dancer, Monk, and Bard; so unless the replacement is Beastmaster or Chemist, Omega escapes again.
Then again, I finally got to test out the combination I'd been wondering about for a while thanks to this job combo: Barehand Sword Dance, and well... 3-6k damage depending on luck? HOLY SHIT. And now that I'm in the Second World, that's slipping into the 4-8k (something around 1.8k noncrit per strike in Drakenvale?). This is, of course, RNG-heavy, but when it works, it DESTROYS. I dunno if even the fully-powered chicken knife will obsolete that when combined with a Sword Dance Up piece...
3 more dungeons until I lose Bard, though. Sigh, oh well.
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Dragoon/Dancer/Dragoon/Geomancer clear!
lol the only thing Geomancer did in the final boss was throw Phoenix Downs and Elixirs.
It seems the first form of Exdeath is a humanoid, because !Jump Man-Eater did way more damage than !Jump Holy Lance did. And that's accounting for Man-Eater having 2x damage on !Jump.
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:toot: ALL ABOARD :toot:
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It took 131 Harvesters to get the 8 deathsicles for maximum mudertrain hilarity. Just wrapped up World 1 on stream this evening!
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cleared 3x Berserker + Mystic Knight. Currently grinding for optional bosses.
I'm now at level 60 on all 4 party members since unlike Dragoon + 3 Berserker from last year, I need all 4 party members leveled up for this. Have not tried Omega or Shinryu since some time in the 40's on level. I'm thinking of going up to 71 before trying again.
This is taking a lot longer than I'd like since there's not really anywhere safe to train up this team that actually gives worthwhile experience. At least with the Dragoon one where I solo leveled, I had a safe strategy to level in the Lonka Ruins section of the final dungeon even if the enemies there love to spam death stuff, but that doesn't fly when you only have 1 Bone Mail and need to train up 4.
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In my FJF run, I got Time Mage as my first job. Well, Time Mage is pretty good. They have spells like Haste, Slow, and Meteor. But you got it on the 2nd crystal. So, my strategy up until the 2nd crystal is just: Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack and occasionally use Potion when in danger. But Potion only heals 50 HP. If the enemy deals like 100 damage, that means 2 Potions. But, being a Freelancer means I can equip anything. Going to Tycoon Castle after getting the dragon means I got pretty nice weapons that doubles my attack power.
I don't see why Garula is so dangerous considering I kick its ass on the world map and I Paralyze its boss version and stomp its ass.
For my 2nd job, I got... BLUE MAGE!!! Aaargh!! Blue freaking Mage. It sucks, enemies' skills suck. *sigh* Okay... at least on the bright side, I didn't get suckier job like Beastmaster, or Bard, or Geomancer, or Berserker, or Necromancer. Or very late gamey like Gladiator, or Mime. Gladiator is actually pretty nice though since they can deal max damage when lucky.
I don't really know how to beat the Fire Crystal boss with 2 Time Mages and 2 Blue Mages with no Blizzard. Seriously, that thing is so tough, hits hard and is just so dodgy.
Stupid moment: I wasted an Elixir on Ship Graveyard's boss just because I thought I could kill it immediately just because she's undead. I mean, there's a tough boss in FFX that I could 2-shot with Phoenix Down just because it's undead.
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I don't really know how to beat the Fire Crystal boss with 2 Time Mages and 2 Blue Mages with no Blizzard. Seriously, that thing is so tough, hits hard and is just so dodgy.
Time to resort to rod-breaking since you have a whole team capable of it. If one doesn't kill it and it turns into the hand, switch to daggers or Goblin Punch and get it to change, then break another frost rod.
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Okay... at least on the bright side, I didn't get suckier job like Beastmaster, or Bard
Bard is actually an absolute powerhouse! They can't do much attacking on their own but the !Sing command is bonkers. Do not underestimate them or fret if you roll one!
I can't speak from experience, but I know some folk refer to it as BESTmaster. It's a little fiddly to get started with, but there's so much potential.
Also, any of the bonus classes are not eligible for FJF since some people play on the SNES/PSX version so no worries on getting one of those.
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Just ran the Karnak 500 last night. It's kinda surprising how little gets done with a pack of normies, but at least I got all the good treasures and a couple elixers to boot. Tonight I get to use Banish on Byblos. 1HKO'ing bosses is going to be silly this year especially with time mage starting up once I get to Ronka.
Well, my first run this year, in Classic Mode provided me with white and black mage and two knights, and that went over relatively well;
Really so far as classic goes that's probably one of the best parties.
Okay... at least on the bright side, I didn't get suckier job like Beastmaster, or Bard,
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM. Also for as much as I rag on blue mage for being a massive pile of work that is nerfed by magic accuracy existing, they still act as the Swiss army knife of the FF5 classes. This is especially true if you find some way to confuse opponents. It may be a hassle, but you will probably get White Wind and then have that as your healing spell. Also stock up on rods and bust those for damage.
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Re: Bestmaster
Very few characters can put out 9999 against all pieces of the final boss in one strike (via Breath Wing) without the help of Bard or intense level grinding.
!Control also works in like every random encounter don't diss it until you try.
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Re: Bestmaster
Very few characters can put out 9999 against all pieces of the final boss in one strike (via Breath Wing) without the help of Bard or intense level grinding.
!Control also works in like every random encounter don't diss it until you try.
Capturing critters is a PAINFUL process but works. Sure I'd prefer to straight up nuke bosses and stuff but at least it provides some sort of powerful attack to be used.
!Control was always the deal maker for me. It completely removes the strongest opponent during a trash mob fight and lets you hurl it at all the other enemies. Stick !Control on two teammates and go to town on dragons and other baddies with no risk of your eyebrows getting singed. The success rate is dubious but comes through often enough to make it effective. Also the success rate nearly doubles when you get a certain equip. It also gets you every last blue spell early and without issues.
So sure, BESTmaster is a chore for big boss fights but for everything else its probably more potent than a lot of classes.
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Speeeeeeeeaking of Blue Magic, what about Healing or Buffing Blue Magic ? You need to get hit for those, yet i doubt the enemy will be as generous as to hit you with one, what do i do in that case ?
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Speeeeeeeeaking of Blue Magic, what about Healing or Buffing Blue Magic ? You need to get hit for those, yet i doubt the enemy will be as generous as to hit you with one, what do i do in that case ?
The BEST method is the aforementioned !Control using a beastmaster. It grants access to all skills used by an enemy and will freely allow you to choose to expose your team to blue mage spells, including healing and buffs. Failing that, you can use any ability that confuses your enemy, which will result in them using good magic on you. Failing THAT, you can use the dancing dagger, which has a chance to confuse upon attacking with it and... the wonder rod? I forget about the wonder rod bit but all the other stuff should work. That's how you get white wind and big guard.
Also seriously check out a guide or walkthrough. Blue mage almost starts the game with Flash which you can get from the gravestone baddies in the Hiryu moutain place but the game sure doesn't like telling you about it. Or which spells are blue mage spells. Or what their effects or accuracy or potential uses are.
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So with ye ol' Team 750, I've gotten White Mage, Summoner, and Bard. Thiiiis I think is Triple Crown-worthy for a change? Doesn't exactly matter if I get Dancer or Chemist, I think this'll work out well.
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Also seriously check out a guide or walkthrough. Blue mage almost starts the game with Flash which you can get from the gravestone baddies in the Hiryu moutain place but the game sure doesn't like telling you about it. Or which spells are blue mage spells. Or what their effects or accuracy or potential uses are.
Did you really think i would let:
>Flash
>Not enough MP !
Go by without any tinkering ?! :V
Don't worry, i got it (and Aero from Magissa, because i knew SOME Blue Magic was there with an boss literally called Sorceress), but yeah, i will check an list of existing Blue Spells for FFV, but that will be it.
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Triple Crown acquired.
(http://i.imgur.com/vyvaJza.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Yv9LnBQ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/FKW0jB4.png)
NED double Almagest'ed right before Krile pounded his last face in.
Started another Chaos run, got MK Wind and Samurai Water. Should be fun!
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Finally was able to use Gilgabot, and...
Mystic Knight, well, that sure isn't familiar.
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Fire Crystal gave me... Bard.
Uh... well... time to learn how 2 bard. :V
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Yeaaah, I shouldn't have bash certain jobs without knowing their strength. My mistake. I should use Red Mage as an example for crappy job. Sure the ability to cast black and white magic at once is nice, but they're only able to cast up to -ra level of spells. Dualcast may be incredibly useful, but dual -ra spells is no match for -ga spells. And besides, due to FJF job restriction...
Okay, I admit Bard is powerful. In a certain Touhou RPGMaker RPG game, there's a character whose Bard ability let me steamroll my opposition with her buffs. Too bad she's a Guest character.
I think you need to, like, reduce enemy's HP to 1/16, I think, to Capture it? I ended up Graviga-ing that creature repeatedly to capture it. Not a pleasant experience.
I'm starting to realize the power of Blue Mage. On top of having Aero spells, they can use swords and medium armor. But still though, how am I gonna get support type spells form enemies? Confusing it? Well, it really is not a pleasant experience doing it in GoShit since enemies would very much prefer committing seppuku. There's a reason why I hate Satori very much in THAT game.
So, Liquid Flame. That thing is so hard that I think its the first boss ever to gives a major trouble to players. On top of having boat load of HP, it has very powerful attacks like Blaze (80 damage to all), and Fira (270 damage), and 3 forms, each with a different gimmicks and counters. Oh yeah, it counters every attacks you made. Since I don't have access to Blizzara, I pretty much have to resort to breaking Rods to kill it else it will outdamage my Potions. Even then, it still has a chance of just plain shrugging my magic. Geez man. It took me like, 3 tries to kill it. Thank goodness for Save States. I would like to express my gratitude to The ⑨th Zentillion for the strategy against that thing.
After that, we have an escape sequence. You have 10 minute to get out of dodge while collecting all the treasure if you can. But almost all the treasure contains enemies that likes to waste your time. During this section, the timer won't freeze no matter what. Pausing the game don't even freeze the timer (Yet, resting in Tent DOES). I learned this the hard way when I was little. Of course not everyone have a free time. That time, I was called by my parent to do some chore. So I paused the game and leave it. When I returned, there's no more castle and 4 heroes. Back to title screen. Fortunately, I was beginning my escape that time so I did not lose much progress. Now, I gotta ask this question: Why would Square Enix put this feature in a handheld game that is designed to be pick up and played with ease?
Anyway, for my third job, I got... Mystic Knight. Nice, I got a decent replacement for Black Mage. Mystic Knight can use Spellblade to infuse Black Mage's spell to their sword. How about if I infuse my blade with Flare?
EDIT: I think the boss in the Castle use Death Claw which Blue Mage can learn. I didn't know that because I kill the boss way too fast (I got out with 30 seconds to spare).
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Uh... i just got beat the shit out by some gray squirrel, and i can't breach his defense, looks like i gotta give up the Brave Blade. :<
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FJF is less about charging through with an optimized party than it is completing a game project with a limited and varied toolset that you don't fully know about when you start. I mean, I'd really like to get a mystic knight/summoner/white mage/chemist/bard/your-favorite-class-here and coast through everything but the odds of getting a party with your ideal make up are moot point. It's best to hold on and hope for classes that cover a lot of bases and make use of those. Beastmasters do a great job of this because they can save up on big massive attack for bosses while cheesing through standard enemy encounters. They're always busy and doing something positive. Thief, monk, dancer, dragoon, and geomancer always feel far less valuable because they typically just spit out a bit of damage every so often. They don't have much in the way of reliable tricks and thus don't give you the tool you need to hurdle over tough spots. Sure, summoner winds up being the press-to-win button, but the odds of scoring one are small. Getting a party with a bit of synergy and a lot of tools is far more realistic and important, and beastmaster does a legit job of doing just that.
As for mystic knight, elemental -ga spells are one hit kills on enemies weak to that element. Also break blade works on nearly every trash mob and I think every boss that doesn't have the heavy designation. Flare blade does more damage but isn't as outstanding as it sounds. If you accidentally hit an enemy with a blade spell that doesn't work well, they miss, but you can swap to another blade spell any time. MK's are always useful though.
Uh... i just got beat the shit out by some gray squirrel, and i can't breach his defense, looks like i gotta give up the Brave Blade. :<
The brave blade can only be used by the knight class and is almost never chosen over the chicken knife. The brave blade starts out as powerful and decreases each time you run, while the chicken knife increases in power each time you run and never loses it once attained. The chicken knife also factors in an agility bonus, making it more powerful at its best even when the brave blade is in peak condition. Also, blue mage can get around the chance of running away so long as you use it in conjunction with goblin punch from the goblins at the very start of the game.
Also pretty sure you're in an optional dungeon at the moment. :V
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Also pretty sure you're in an optional dungeon at the moment. :V
Well i can't just NOT explore it, must search every place ! Talk to all the NPCs !
Also Sandworm was a pushover, died in one hit , praise the power of Blue Mage.
Now i gotta find a way to kill this Prototype thingy, it's as tough as Skull Eater and apparently has 5k HP, so i will be there for a while. :V
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And now, here's the full team.
(http://i.imgur.com/jN6u5hB.png)
Considering I got 3 Magic classes, Lancet will be useful, I guess.
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Finished up my first fjf run a couple days ago. Didn't think Omega would be possible with my team (Thief/Mystic Knight/Ninja/Dancer) so I didn't bother to seriously attempt him (Maybe it's possible, dunno), but I did bag them a Shinryu kill. Who needs image or berserk when you can just bash your face against the boss multiple times until the cards fall right for you?
Currently on my second run which is a Pure Chaos + Fifth Job run. Classes so far are Summoner/White Mage/Thief/Samurai. Stinks that Samurai was the job chosen for earth (Gil Toss shenanigans!), but still, that should make the four crystal guardians much easier to handle. Currently in the Barrier Tower where I'm gonna farm out my four Reflect Rings before going on.
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Aaaaaand Prototype is dead... x4. :v
??? Was MVP, who needs sick spells when you have Fixed Damage !
(Sadly no screenshot for now because bad internets.)
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Finished up my first fjf run a couple days ago. Didn't think Omega would be possible with my team (Thief/Mystic Knight/Ninja/Dancer) so I didn't bother to seriously attempt him (Maybe it's possible, dunno), but I did bag them a Shinryu kill. Who needs image or berserk when you can just bash your face against the boss multiple times until the cards fall right for you?
Currently on my second run which is a Pure Chaos + Fifth Job run. Classes so far are Summoner/White Mage/Thief/Samurai. Stinks that Samurai was the job chosen for earth (Gil Toss shenanigans!), but still, that should make the four crystal guardians much easier to handle. Currently in the Barrier Tower where I'm gonna farm out my four Reflect Rings before going on.
Well, as we know from fighting him in regular games, (M-Knight/Ninja + Ninja/M-Knight) x 3 turns = win via Thundaga Sword. Of course, since you don't have stop access, counterattacks are nasty and Encircle annihilates your damage. It's really just another case of beating your head against it till the dice roll in your favor. The other two would mostly be tossing elixirs around, I'd think.
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So last job is Dragoon ! Well, this looks pretty good !
Although, i don't think i can get Mighty Guard, i have no access to control or reflect, ugh.
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(http://i.imgur.com/ygyeK2e.png)
Third year I've done this and I haven't gotten sick of it yet.
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Although, i don't think i can get Mighty Guard, i have no access to control or reflect, ugh.
Confuse (dancong dagger or alluring air) works perfectly fine on Stingray, no worries. Now getting to encounter it and then killing it after it casts it on you on the other hand...
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lol I've never posted here again, because all my activities in the fiesta goes to the Discord server.
Anyways, this year's run is very kind to me. This is the first time ever I can beat Omega.
1st Run: Random Risk: Black Mage, Berserker, Thief, Time Mage
Victory pictures
(http://i.imgur.com/xB3QWIC.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/B6DOiEi.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/zOZMiPF.png)
2nd Run: Popular Fifth Job: Mystic Knight, Mystic Knight, Ninja, (Black Mage), Summoner
Victory pictures
(http://i.imgur.com/ZPdyfRz.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/NNugkss.png)
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3rd Run: Chaos Fifth Job: Geomancer, Ninja, Chemist, (Blue Mage), ??? (Ongoing)
I kinda lament that blue mage roll
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Why ? I'm loving Blue Mage, it is so versatile.
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Why ? I'm loving Blue Mage, it is so versatile.
Because I'll lose it due to fifth job.
if it weren't for the fifth job I would cherish it.
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Does anyone remember off-hand if the Quick+venom rod trick works on both Omega and Shinryu for the GBA version? If so, I may just sleepwalk though triple crowning this year.
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I've definitely done it with Omega. Though, I think Omega starts with permanent Reflect, so you'll need to set up Wonder Rod to bounce Bio off yourself, if I recall correctly?
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I've definitely done it with Omega. Though, I think Omega starts with permanent Reflect, so you'll need to set up Wonder Rod to bounce Bio off yourself, if I recall correctly?
Hell, I'll just slap on a reflect ring and go to town! A couple years ago I forged ahead through boss after boss using legit methods but this year its time to bring the CHEESE WOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo000000!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJdVnEncCM)
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I wonder if I can subtitute Bio with Bio Spellblade for that? I think Omega is dodgy as heck, I think I need to get lucky. Shinryu on the other hand...
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Hell, I'll just slap on a reflect ring and go to town! A couple years ago I forged ahead through boss after boss using legit methods but this year its time to bring the CHEESE WOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo000000!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJdVnEncCM)
Some of yalls might recall my war with Omega last year. I certainly do.
As such, I heartily endorse this method, if only for the sake of revenge.
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I couldn't bearaga my way through Soul Cannon's massive HP pool last night. Grinded for 3 levels only to wind up falling short again. Grumbled about it, but shnuck some research time into a slow morning at work and was reminded that !Hide exists. I just need to grind out about 25 AP before I go from multiple TPKs to basically invincible on the exact same boss. !Hide is basically custom tailored for this kind of thing. :V
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Odd, i beat up Soul Cannon before it even used his attack once.
Also crap i forgot to farm Reflect Rings from the Reflect Knights.
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Also crap i forgot to farm Reflect Rings from the Reflect Knights.
Oh gosh, I would have forgotten, good thing I died to Yellow Dragons to send me back.
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Geez, what is the Soul Cannon made of? How many hits it takes to kill it? It's HP is so high even the game doesn't know it's HP. The game knows Exdeath and Neo Exdeath's HP but doesn't know a simple mid boss' HP.
Thanks to Mystic Knight and Time Mage, I was able to take it out before it attacked me. I have to do this since I don't have access to Cura and Hi-Potions. So yeah, damage race.
The problem is that the Earth Crystal boss is gimmicky and tanky it's really difficult to kill it.
Too bad I don't have access to !Control to obtain 1000 Needles.
Also, goddamnit I'm a real slowpoke. Everyone's already completed this game once and yet, I'm still almost at the end of world 1.
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Geez, what is the Soul Cannon made of? How many hits it takes to kill it? It's HP is so high even the game doesn't know it's HP. The game knows Exdeath and Neo Exdeath's HP but doesn't know a simple mid boss' HP.
Soul Cannon has about 20k HP iirc, at least from my experience.
I made short work of it with Thundara Spellblade and Aera/Aqua Breath.
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Soul Cannon is weird because it has 22500 hp and the launchers have 10800 hp, but each part self-destructs when reduced below 10000 hp. I have no idea why they did it that way.
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Probably made it that way so the explosions go off properly instead of being skipped for cinematic reasons (see using Lv 5 Death to take out the launchers, they'll just die instead of blowing up).
Speaking of which, revived Archaeoavis? Another victim of level multiple of 5. Also, percentage abilities (gravity, missile, harp attacks) will work on its even-numbered forms (ice/thunder-absorb) but not its odds (initial/fire-absorb). YEN might already have gotten him but if not, well, there you go, Blue and Time are rather good against it.
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Speaking of which, revived Archaeoavis? Another victim of level multiple of 5. Also, percentage abilities (gravity, missile, harp attacks) will work on its even-numbered forms (ice/thunder-absorb) but not its odds (initial/fire-absorb). YEN might already have gotten him but if not, well, there you go, Blue and Time are rather good against it.
Yep. Already got him (https://youtu.be/abIVbrNVOYo). Blue can target it's initial form's weakness (Wind) while Time can Slow him. I can't outheal its damage. So I just slow it to a crawl while I heal with Regen. To think this boss is the second boss on my craplist (after Liquid Flame).
I'm a fan of synchronized level. Everyone is more or less have same level right now. So I can't learn Level 5 Death without getting a TPK.
Oh boy, what job is going to be my fourth and final job. Unlocking the Earth Crystal job. Come on come on! *monotone* Chemist.
Well, Chemist is good. Despite having really mediocre stats, they can use !Drink to drink a certain medicine that acts like substitute Protect or just straight up doubles max HP (6000-8000 HP against Neo Exdeath?). They can double the effectiveness of healing item, which is useful since I don't have White Mage. And by using !Mix, they can create a truly silly effects.
Time Mage, Blue Mage, Mystic Knight, an Chemist. These are my final job roster.
EDIT: Oh yeah, in FFV, levels only increases HP and MP isn't it.
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Not quite. The amount of damage you deal does increase with levels, just not with -every- level. It's pretty weird, but you'll definitely see massive damage if you pump everybody's levels to 255 using !Mix drinks in a battle, hah.
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Yep. Already got him (https://youtu.be/abIVbrNVOYo). Blue can target it's initial form's weakness (Wind) while Time can Slow him. I can't outheal its damage. So I just slow it to a crawl while I heal with Regen.
Ah, cool. Good work. better healing would have been nice but without access to Control (forever) or Confuse (Dancing dagger in Moogle Village), White Wind is currently out of reach until... GEEZ, the red bunnies in Castle Exdeath, so basically the end of Wold 2.
I'm a fan of synchronized level. Everyone is more or less have same level right now. So I can't learn Level 5 Death without getting a TPK.
Ah, I see. Yeah the nature of learning Blue in 5 (a learner needs to be hit and affected) kinda makes that a problem. Really, the further games had better learning; Strago just has to see (no Blind/Sleep/Zombie/KO) the animation in 6... Just have to be hit by the animation while having an E-Skill on someone who doesn't know it for 7... Quistis learns everything from items in 8... Eating particular enemies via the same manner of 5's HP remaining shenanigans as !Catch in 9... Not sure about 10, something to do with Kimahri's grid? Nor would I know 10-2's or 11's.
This and 6 is when Blue Mages actually started getting nuke spells, you can really tell 5 was their first attempt at the class.
Chemist
...Ha who needs White Wind when you have double-effective High Potions, and can mix up things that can revive chars at full HP/MP, cause quad-digit drain damage, make them immune to statuses in varying assortments or give them more HP than they know what to do with? Hell, Mix almost obsoletes Mighty Guard except in time taken to buff (one cast vs 4 mixes (well, 8 mixes but Time Mages get Float anyway so that's 4 mixes you don't have to do already).. and well it also means you don't have to "waste" Turtle Shells that can be used for aforementioned drain attack.
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...Geez I didn't have to be so thorough, but I couldn't help it. Thank you, my disorders. :wikipedia:
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Cat scratched Soul Cannon to death after triple bearaga'ing it. !Hide was a big difference maker and basically allowed me to cheese my way to a victory because I wasn't touched unless I forgot to have everyone run away before it fired. The ruins will be a whole lot more fun and I'll finally get my last two classes at the end of it. Hurrah!
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So i guess i was the only one here that abused Mini Dragoons ? :v
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Ah, I see. Yeah the nature of learning Blue in 5 (a learner needs to be hit and affected) kinda makes that a problem. Really, the further games had better learning; Strago just has to see (no Blind/Sleep/Zombie/KO) the animation in 6... Just have to be hit by the animation while having an E-Skill on someone who doesn't know it for 7... Quistis learns everything from items in 8... Eating particular enemies via the same manner of 5's HP remaining shenanigans as !Catch in 9... Not sure about 10, something to do with Kimahri's grid? Nor would I know 10-2's or 11's.
FYI, Kimahri's Ronso Rages required using Lancet (his initial ability) on a target that had a compatible attack; it actually casting the spell wasn't necessary, so you could get Self-Destruct. Gun Mages only needed to be hit by the attack as a Gun Mage; which, given Cry In The Night required an Oversouled Mega Tonberry... Well, you can estimate how hard it would be if she needed to survive the hit. BLUs required killing an enemy that used a Blue Magic attack as a main-class BLU; they have to cast it, but it's okay if it did squat or hit an ally or something.
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Had some fun after triple bearaga'ing Archeoavis into soup.
Titan was taken down by having my new time mage break a couple rods in his FACE. Poor guy never got to use Earth Shaker since I had my bard stop him, which means he hit once at the start and then he didn't matter.
The purobolos were brought down by having all 3 of my teammates control one of them. I had them self-destruct right in their friends' FACEs. Funny enough, using the self-destruct move while under the effects of !Control doesn't count as a physical attack directed at them, so when the targeted purobolo used Arise, it revived the one I had just exploded with it still under the effects of !Control. Rinse, repeat, blow up the controlled purobolos until the others run out of MP, then watch the controlled purobolos blow themselves up at themselves.
Chimera forgot to be invulnerable to stop. Chimera forgot to be heavy, too, so I just threw a bandersnatch at its FACE and it fell over.
This game is so funny.
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You know you're too bored to do Fiesta the usual way that you decided to pay Gil Turtle a visit.
My run right now is Natural Team 750 with the team of Blue Mage, Time Mage, Summoner, and Red Mage.
Yeah with that team I think I have the chance to beat that silly turtle.
30 minutes and copious amounts of boosted Blizzara, boosted Shiva, Golems, Comets, and Elixirs later...
(http://i.imgur.com/eajgdWh.png)
POOF!
Yet I don't want to save this victory because it wasted my resource too much, especially Elixir.
But it would still be an achievement in itself.
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At least you only need to get hit once and you're guaranteed to learn the Blue Mage's spell. Compared that to Satori where she initially has 1% chance of learning basic spell in the original GoS. You can only attempt once in every battle by the way.
Kimahri can only use his Blue spell only using Overdrive by the way. One mediocre damage dealing blue spell every blue moon. Even when you got his strongest Blue spell, it still pales in comparison to Tidus', Wakka's, and Auron's offensive overdrive and Rikku's ridiculously broken Mix Overdrive.
Man, Spellblade really uberkilled anything with weakness to 3 basic elements. Plus, Time Mage really excel at increasing my turns. With the addition of Comet, they finally able to deal respectable damage without using (pretty unreliable) Gravity spell.
If you know some combination for Chemist's Mix, it can be really broken. Highlights include:
Maiden Kiss + Turtle Shell: Succubus Kiss (1500+ Drain spell. Useful when I'm without -ga spell currently)
Phoenix Down + Ether: Resurrection (revive & full HP & MP recovery)
Eye Drops + Holy Water: Elemental Power (boost power for elemental attacks)
Dark Matter + Dark Matter: Shadowflare (really strong attack)
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At least you only need to get hit once and you're guaranteed to learn the Blue Mage's spell. Compared that to Satori where she initially has 1% chance of learning basic spell in the original GoS. You can only attempt once in every battle by the way.
Kimahri can only use his Blue spell only using Overdrive by the way. One mediocre damage dealing blue spell every blue moon. Even when you got his strongest Blue spell, it still pales in comparison to Tidus', Wakka's, and Auron's offensive overdrive and Rikku's ridiculously broken Mix Overdrive.
Man, Spellblade really uberkilled anything with weakness to 3 basic elements. Plus, Time Mage really excel at increasing my turns. With the addition of Comet, they finally able to deal respectable damage without using (pretty unreliable) Gravity spell.
If you know some combination for Chemist's Mix, it can be really broken. Highlights include:
Maiden Kiss + Turtle Shell: Succubus Kiss (1500+ Drain spell. Useful when I'm without -ga spell currently)
Phoenix Down + Ether: Resurrection (revive & full HP & MP recovery)
Eye Drops + Holy Water: Elemental Power (boost power for elemental attacks)
Dark Matter + Dark Matter: Shadowflare (really strong attack)
Hahahahahaha I know Satori sucks and hard to use effectively, and I do know about Kimahri
For chemists: here's some more:
The staple Maiden's Kiss + Turtle Shell = Succubus Kiss - uber powerful drain
Maiden's Kiss + Ether = Lilith's Kiss - uber powerful osmose
Maiden's Kiss + Dragon Fang = Dragon's Kiss - set Heavy and Dragon type to yourself or enemy (read: immune to gravity based spells and instant death)
Dragon Fang + Potion = Dragon Power - increase level in battle by 20
Dragon Fang + Phoenix Down = Dragon Defense - grants Protect, Shell, Reflect, and Regen
Phoenix Down + Potion = Resurrection - trvives and fully restores HP
Antidote + Maiden's Kiss = Levisalve - grants Float
and many more
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The fuck's a Kimarhi? I played FF1 through 10-2 and I never encountered such a thing.
Also chemists are great, but the farming is such an irritance that you never actually want to use most of their cool stuff.
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The fuck's a Kimarhi? I played FF1 through 10-2 and I never encountered such a thing.
Also chemists are great, but the farming is such an irritance that you never actually want to use most of their cool stuff.
How come you play from FF1 through FF10-2 and don't know about Kimahri from FF10?
Kimahri Ronso, the blue skin white fur guy with broken horn who uses spear in battle. Yuna's bodyguard.
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Barrier Tower, a one time dungeon filled with nasty encounter. There is no way to restock once you launch the attack. While the enemies are nasty, none of them has resistance to Petrify. So Break Spellblade and watch as anything fall in a single hit. The only exception to that is the Yellow Dragons. Whereas most enemies still has 1000 HP, Yellow Dragon has 8500. Their single target and multi target attack also hurts a freaking lot. And you fight 2 of them at once. Have fun! Wish I had access to Death. Also, I hate Reflect Knight. They're tough, hits hard, and reflect your magic (Break Spellblade then).
Anyway, the third and possibly final boss that's on my crap list is Atomos, a freaky abomination of time with a big mouth that is used to eat any fallen character and send then to void.
On top of having loads of HP and no weakness, it uses Comet twice as its primary attack. Comet deals random damage and may deals 1000+ damage. So I have to get lucky and hope it won't hit the same character twice or deals more than 1000 damage. If there's a KO'ed character in the field, then it will gradually suck them toward it's mouth to Banish them. On top of Comet, it also has Slowga and Old. Both of which I can't remedy easily since I don't have Hastega and I can't use Esuna. That bastard also immune to Slow and in a state of permanent Haste.
I think it's weak to Sleep? I don't know, I try it multiple times and I can't seem to inflict it. Maiden Kiss + Turtle Shell deals great damage to it, I have Blue Magic for level and defense debuff, and Comet can deal 1000 damage against that douche as well. Phoenix Down + Ether (Resurrection) may help, but not by much. Wish I have Level 5 Death since Dark Arts + Level 5 Death = short battle.
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I managed to sleep Atomos on the second or third Sleep spell (I had everybody have !Red) and he didn't wake up for the reminder of the battle.
And you can leave Barrier Tower, the sub is still there and Xezat will just come back to drive you outside.
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How come you play from FF1 through FF10-2 and don't know about Kimahri from FF10?
Kimahri Ronso, the blue skin white fur guy with broken horn who uses spear in battle. Yuna's bodyguard.
Sounds like a fan character or something. I sure don't remember ever having to use any blue guy.
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Sounds like a fan character or something. I sure don't remember ever having to use any blue guy.
Please tell me you're pulling my leg, there's no shame about hating a character
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I'm pulling your leg. It's a commentary on how Kimahri absolutely doesn't fit into the setting at all, how he has like no story relevance at all, and how you can completely ignore him in combat and it never makes a difference. The last one is particularly telling because everyone else has a specific job, like Auron taking down heavy armors or Wakka hitting fliers. He can be completely ignored and nothing changes whatsoever.
Even in FFX-2, if you don't dick with Ronso Mountain, he just doesn't exist at all. I am baffled by the superfluousness of him. Even optional characters in earlier games had something; I think Gogo has more relevance in FF6 than Kimarhi does in FFX.
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And you can leave Barrier Tower, the sub is still there and Xezat will just come back to drive you outside.
Whelp! That's something I did not do in my entire playthrough. So I guess that's my mistake.
Anyway, Atomos. (https://youtu.be/oAdKV3vl97I)
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These scenes are just waaaaay too similar. Hero and ally going to shut down evil machine, they separate, the ally ended up getting trapped and sacrificed themselves since they knew it was going to happen.
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Huh? Turns out I'm correct after all.
I'm pulling your leg. It's a commentary on how Kimahri absolutely doesn't fit into the setting at all, how he has like no story relevance at all, and how you can completely ignore him in combat and it never makes a difference. The last one is particularly telling because everyone else has a specific job, like Auron taking down heavy armors or Wakka hitting fliers. He can be completely ignored and nothing changes whatsoever.
Just like Satori, the useless mindreader. The Heroes "brought" her to find the mastermind faster. Everyone's important are immune. You had ONE JOB!
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So since i missed Reflect Rings, what could i get to compensate for such ?
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Drain Blade and Missile will be your best friends against the crystals, and if you can get Magic Hammer to land on Exdeath enough times you could whittle his MP down enough before his -aga spellcasting phase and have Drain Blade keep you healthy again. You also have enough heavy armor classes to wear Diamond equipment and have an Aegis shield for better random spell dodging and an Ice Shield to just outright absorb Blizzaga on one person, and well, Jump is always helpful in avoiding stuff. I guess you could grab the Flame Shield instead of the Aegis, but then you'll have to do Istory Falls to get another one and it's always nice to have at least one or even both (maybe even more if you luck out Thief Knifing Gorgimeras) for a particular couple of Petrify-inflicting attacks later...
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Beat the 4 Crystals after adjusting my strategy a little bit. I realized I could just cast Shell on everybody and spam Cure spells and wait for my Dragoon to take care of things.
And I guess my Geomancer can attack too with Sword Dance.
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I beat it by using Death Claw and praying for good RNG, cause the Tier 3 Spells are a pain.
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If you have a Summoner, you can near no-damage run Exdeath with Golem and Carbuncle.
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Did you know W2 Exdeath gets really grumpy when you come in with full reflect rings and spends the bulk of his turns before his enrage stage wasting time trying to dispel the reflect?
Bonus points for coming in with everyone able to take a L3 Flare to the (reflected) face.
It was a very silly battle.
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Did you know W2 Exdeath gets really grumpy when you come in with full reflect rings and spends the bulk of his turns before his enrage stage wasting time trying to dispel the reflect?
Bonus points for coming in with everyone able to take a L3 Flare to the (reflected) face.
It was a very silly battle.
The Dispel isn't an action he uses with his normal turns, but a 33% counter to physical attacks.
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Made it through Atomos yesterday. Both of the dragon chests spawned red dragons and I found out the hard way that those seem to be rooted into the game from the very, very start. That canceled out any hope I had for having yellow dragons cut Atomos's HP down by 25%. I didn't have much of anything in the way of tricks beyond breaking rods and hoping my speed boost was enough to win the day. Kind of a pain when the tricks you want to have aren't available. Lenna and Galuf had both been deleted and Faris was almost gone before Bartz finished whipping Buttmos 450 hp at a time.
I love having tricks but failing that nothing beats pressing a button twice and having huge white numbers jumping out of enemies. I just don't have that this time around.
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The Dispel isn't an action he uses with his normal turns, but a 33% counter to physical attacks.
I see, with 3 zerkers wailing on him this the first year I saw the dispel in any appreciable amount so I never knew!
On that note, what do I even need to do in World 3 with Team Ninja Dad and the Murdercats? The lamp and one round of sealed weapons right?
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/me wipes dust off thread
Life got busy for a bit and maybe vacation's just around the corner, but I'm still fitting in some progress here and there. Grinding on ye olde objet d'arts led to a few of my characters mastering BESTmaster, which subsequently allowed me to capture four aquathorns for the four crystals boss fight. Four !Release commands later, my party had won without lifting a finger. Any other strategy to get through the fight would have been painful at best. The Exdeath fight will be almost exactly the same, but it'll happen with 4 yellow dragons instead. It'll also be my strategy against NED, but with a little extra lantern magic towards the start. For a team with almost nothing in the way of nukes, I can still manage to nuke the baddies just enough to get by.
Also dancer still sucks as a class outside of its fashion statements.
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I just finished grinding for the Fire Rings I couldn't buy earlier in the game, as well as Hermes Sandals.
Man, I'm glad I won't need money again. But at least, I got all the jobs level I needed so far. Everybody is at least Level 6 White Mage, and some of them are on their way to get Dualcast.
I can progress to the next tablets now.
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And that's a wrap. Since Lenna learned Dualcast along the way, the end was a nice Holy spamfest from all characters.
That was fun, I'll probably come along next year as well!
I don't know if I can handle Omega or Shinryu though, since they both absorb Holy and it's my main source of damage.
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You can definitely take on Shinryu.
First comes the prep.
- Buy about 10 or 20 rods from Karnak, element doesn't matter much.
- Thief knife yourself a Dragoon Lance from a Crystal dragon (though it might/most likely will take quite a few tries until you get one instead of an elixir or nothing).
- Throw the Chicken Knife onto your Geo and give them !Jump while your White gets Dualcast and your Red gets White.
- Hermes Sandals on everyone, Water Rings will be unneeded and you will need the Haste.
- Magic Lamp close to or right on Golem in its list.
Then the actual fight...
- Berserk Shinryu.
- Get Blink up on your party ASAP. With what you did with the mages, that's 3 casts a round. Then add Protect, too, if you like.
- While your mages buff, use your other two to summon Golem.
- And now you're ready for offense! Break rods with Red and keep your buffs up with both mages when needed while your Geo and Dragoon (especially Dragoon, that lance can do quad nines pretty consistently) rack up the damage.
Win and you can reap your useless rewards (well, one is just a trinket and the other is only useful to Knight/Freelancer) and that heart icon.
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Magic Lamp close to or right on Golem in its list.
Oh man, for some reason, I completely forgot I could do that. Much thanks, I'll try a bit later.
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White Mage makes Shinryu free, Berserk/Blink is incredible. Even without good damage dealers you can just grind him down.
Omega is much, much harder for many comps.
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Yup, the thing about Omega is he kind of needs classes that either have perfect-accuracy Stop (Bard (All), Beastmaster (GBA)), attacks that penetrate his defenses and do fast or at least guaranteed high damage (Mystic Knight, Berserker, Dancer) and techs that can improve DPS (Ninja, Ranger), or yank the power of most of his dangerous and/or nasty attacks (Chemist).
And it's kind of up to Gilgabot whether you can get the right combination (No 750 can potentially do it the best if you get Mystic Knight from Water and either Ninja or Ranger from Fire; but again all RNG).
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Mystic Knight isn't even enough on its own - Thundaga Spellblade will do good damage, but only if it actually hits. If you have one of the ways to lock Omega down, you could sit there fishing for hours until you land enough hits, but otherwise that's not going to go well. Rapidfire combined with that will shred him super fast, of course.
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Stop'll obliterate evasion until it wears off, though. Of course, considering you'll more than likely be Chicken Knifing it up with them, there is that darned run attempt chance. Something like Dancer will also guarantee hits if it procs Sword Dance, but you'll have to give THEM !Spellblade instead because, well, y'know, can't stack two abilities unless you're playing Pure Chaos. Y'would need Equip Ribbon or a Freelancer to put on a piece of Rainbow equipment on a non-Dancer anyway, heh... Still a lot of fishing either way.
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I now feel guilty for being able to quickvenom my way to a triple crown this year.
Just cleared Exdeath's castle in world 2. It's cumbersome for a team with no major nuking options. Lots of random encounters with numerous baddies means lots of just running away. Still, I got to throw 4 yellow dragons at Exdeath's face and that was all she wrote. No close calls or major disappointments, just !Release for everyone and that was it. Go Team Utility!
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/me wipes off some more dust
Managed to survive the sea shrine and the fork tower last night. It got a bit rough in some sections, but I also managed to have some fun with ye olde quickvenom tricke. Both Minotaur and his buddy proved to be a thing since I have no reliable form of damage beyond Sword Dance and rod snaps right now, which are good but have their own drawbacks. The party's configuration has actively discouraged any kind of fighting, which has left me a bit anemic in big fights. In years before I did grinding for a combination of high-end abilities as well as safety net levels. This year I'm approaching the end without hitting level 30 in a party full of squishies. The deep sea trench will probably wind up being a grinding spot simply because I can't even reliably run away without getting TPK'd.
I am just really dying for reliable damage this year and unfortunately has made the gameplay rather stale. Chicken knife dancing just became a thing but still doesn't happen as much as I'd like. The party can muscle through lots of troubles but hoo boy unfortunately it's kinda gone from clever to dull.
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Okay. With today being the last day, it's time to wrap things up. Triple crown this year! NED got wiped real fast because I accidentally armed myself to the gills. I cheated my way to victory on Omega and Shinryu but hey it's FJF it's the name of the game. Class review time!
Bard was entirely new to me, but was pretty sweet. The regen, stop, and confuse songs were available early in the game and were useful throughout. Requiem was the only move I needed for the pyramid and the deep sea trench. While the stat boosts came in much later, they were big difference makers. Using the songs is a bit weird for stat boosts but still okay. While I agree that the class has a lot of upsides, it wasn't without some disadvantages. Songs themselves are still subject to accuracy and some immunities, so the one turn stop song would miss at times or simply not work at all. The stat boost songs are great but take a while for them to really kick in. If you can't sandbag much, you're in quite a bind. Also they are the wet paper baggiest of all the classes which is saying something. Oh well. One of my new favorite support classes though, big time.
Time mage was also new and they did a bit of everything during my run. Their ability to equip rods and high magic stat helped me breeze through a few bosses. Their buffs are a boon to every fight. Their limited natural offensive options are still enough for them to get by in a pinch. Even stuff like their ability to equip the healstick helped pad my supply of hi potions in a pinch. Still, they never quite did anything better than anyone beyond hasting the whole party, breaking rods, and one instance of Graviga usage. Oh well. Still, a great addition, even if it's more support than straight up damage. Also I hate using the term "broken" for just about anything. With that being said, the quickvenom glitch is broken.
Beastmaster continues to be awesome. They may take time and be frustrating to use at times, but beastmasters serve as the rear guard separating the difference makers from the deal breakers for classes. !Control is insane and great for every last mob fight. !Catching the right monsters opens up new doors everywhere. This class saved my hide time and again from insta-killing Byblos to pumping out nearly 160,000 damage on NED in four quick actions. Their efficiency leaves much to be desired but when they work, they work.
Dancer is good at being fashionaaabluh but that is it. They are front line fighters with no viable offensive options until well into world 3. You need to have the chicken knife and you need to have them in the front row and you need to have them equipped with stuff that boosts Sword Dance chances or they ain't worth squat. Even then, they are worse than mages when it comes to their HP and don't get armor or stamina to compensate. They take up space for nearly the whole game and at their highest value they only get a single twerky, chancey attack that hits the damage cap for a single target. So on top of everything else, even at their very best, they are not fully utilizing the gifts they are given. They are screwed over by the coding in the game itself to prevent them from achieving too little too late. I haven't played with every class, but I am pretty sure at this point that they are my least favorite one.
Next year is a Team 750 run. I have not played through with the simple-yet-potent white mage, black mage, and summoner classes. Blue mage deserves a second shot while red mage would be cosmically broken with any other viable caster. The physical attackers I have not use before are the monk, thief, and dragoon, which I just don't have any interest in using. Geomancer might be given a chance since I've never used them before, but I will pay money not to be saddled with a dancer again.
Team MVPs: Bard, time mage, and BESTmaster. Goddamn I hate dancers.
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VICTORY FOR TEAM NINJA
DAD PUPPER MOM AND HER BERSERKERCATS
(sorry Faris you never learned dual wield you got to hold the Aegis Shield though which is super cool too)
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Well that was an adventure. I powered through all of World 3 off stream because whoops every year I stop playing for Otakonprep and then have to scramble at the end of August.
The Pyramid and the Rift random encounters were the worst this year. Bosses were rofl but Twintania was the brick wall, had to run out and hit up Mirage - 4x Coral Rings were mandatory when I only had one hi-potion bot. NINJA MOM became elixir/phoenix down bot for NED. Level 42-43ish was enough to pass the Almagest threshold and that's the level I cleared at. I do not apologize for fishing for good RNG with save states so I could get a Grand Cross roll that didn't incapacitate NINJA MOM though. I'd hate to have done this on hardware.
Ninja/BER/SER/KER was a pretty decent Risk line up I can't complain. It was my first year with Ninja so that was pretty cool to have the scrolls and a way of dodging Chicken Knife shenanigans. Don't know if I'll RIsk again next year we shall see.