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Are they really that weak? I know you might be thinking "Of coarse their weak they're those random normal enemies you shoot down in regular touhou games." Then there's the Great Fairy War. Without the freeze feature it would easily be the most hardest touhou game. So why are they so freaking strong in just that game? ??? My theory is that yes fairies are the weakest yokai in gensoukyo BUT only because their strength is tied to their environment. That means they are only as strong as how much nature there is around them. Notice how every stage in Great Fairy War is tied to nature in some way. It could also could mean that Cirno could be the strongest fairy since she has the ability to create her own nature environment through her freezing power. :o That is the only way for her to increase her power. There is a theory that Yuuka is a fairy and it would also explain why Yuuka loves flowers so much. It could be that she somehow learned how to harness her own natural magic instead of relying on her environment while she was a fairy. There's also the possible that SHE STILL IS A FAIRY because of how defensive she is about her flower field and why she has it. It is a secondary source of power that she feeds off to get the enormous power she has in gensoukyo. So also going by that theory fairies have the potential to become the strongest yokai in all of gensoukyo if they learned how to increase their natural magical powers while creating an environment that grows their power. It is scary thinking about it since if this is true it could possible mean that they could create an army of Yuukas to destroy everything in gensoukyo. Still most fairies are harmless and have a thinking of a 5 year old. :3 I would say that is the only reason why nobody takes fairies seriously because they just play around. Sure the Great Fairy Wars was just fun and games but it wasn't seriously. If this theory is true it could mean the potential to become a new touhou games where your battling fairies on steroids because their sick of being the weakest in gensoukyo. Then again this is all theory it could all be wrong. ::)
What do you guys think? Is this just some crappy theory or does it actually mean something? Let me know through comments on what you guys think of it. :D
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GFW's difficulty is explained by the fact that you're playing as a fairy.
Don't turn this thread into a power level discussion. It's in the rules (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6593.0.html).
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Don't worry it's not a power level discussion. Just throwing out a theory is all.
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Yeah, you're viewing the danmaku from Cirno's perspective so everything looks tougher than it really is. The idea that stage fairies aren't going all out does make some sense however.
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Alternative explanations:
The relativistic approach (I.E. the already-mentioned one): the fairies in that game seem so impressive because you play as one of them: notice how Marisa in that game is so much tougher than her IN appearance, despite using spellcards like Master Spark Flashlight.
Fridge Brilliance/Fan Wank: since fairies auto-ressurect, they aren't holding back like when they face humans or mortal youkai.
The meta approach: the pattern complexity is so high because Cirno can freeze bullets; patterns that would normally be too difficult or impossible to reasonably be included in the other games can easily be thrown in because the new mechanic makes it possible.
By the way, what's with the Yuuka theory anyway? I keep hearing it mentioned but never explained. From what I gather, the idea seems to be "Yuuka likes flowers, therefore is a nature spirit, therefore fairy". Surely there's more to it than that?
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huh never knew that though. Yeah I really need to switch to the english translation of Great Fairy Wars. So that would mean that she really is weak. :3 Oh well forgot that I guess.
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At least in many perspective, technically, Cirno is the strongest fairy around, unless somebody were to upstage her...
That of which, I wonder how would playing as Cirno work against others like Reimu and such, like how Marisa got buffed (adding that she's the EX-boss there).
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Yuuka really is an interesting character. Very sadistic but never really explained why she is sadistic. Everyone has theories that she could be a fairy but I find her personality more interesting. Why is she sadistic? Was she raised that way? Did somebody hurt her so bad that she has to feel like the one hurting someone even if they weren't serious? Are all yokai like this? I would rather see people explain something like this then the fairy thing.
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Yuuka has a lame power so fanboys attribute a whole bunch of other things that exaggerate her to justify themsleves liking her :V
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That of which, I wonder how would playing as Cirno work against others like Reimu and such, like how Marisa got buffed (adding that she's the EX-boss there).
Cirno vs. Parasol Star Memories. That would be interesting.
Or better yet, what would Cirno be like from Cirno's perspective?
And I'm pretty sure Yuuka's sadism is all fandom.
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Or better yet, what would Cirno be like from Cirno's perspective?
Brain freeze from trying to imagine Cirno arguing with herself about who is stronger :ohdear:
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Ahhhh I see now it's the flowers thing. I don't know the fanbase does love to exaggerate things a lot. Like the China thing, or the Yukari is an old hag, and maybe Maribel is Yukari in disguise. It is a lame power I know that but I'm guessing she trains herself hard to make up for it. It would explain a lot of things. :3
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Why would they try to talk up a character who is canonically stated (albiet by a somewhat unreliable, in-universe source) to be one of the stronger peeps around, despite the uselessness of her ability in combat, by saying she's a fairy of all things? o.O
That's like saying my car is the fastest thing on four wheels because it's actually a bicycle with custom chasis and leather seats.
Brain freeze from trying to imagine Cirno arguing with herself about who is stronger :ohdear:
Who would win in a fight between Cirno.1 and Cirno.2? The audience! ...Actually, I wonder if Cirno can perfect-freeze bullets that are already made of ice
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Well sadly her power is really lame. I mean you have fate manipulation, miracle powers, gap powers, time manipulation, and lots of other powers. I mean all these people that have these powers are pretty strong in their own right. Yuuka seems more like an curve ball to me. Very unusually but very powerful in it's own right. It's more like her power's so lame that she has to be the weakest type of yokai before. Kind of makes it more impressive given her strength.
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About that fight thing they would both lose. It would still be an awesome battle in a way from Cirno since it would be a will of freezing bullets. It would look epic from Cirno's point of view but would be very laughable from Ruimu's point of view. :3
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Somehow, I seem to recall that picture with Satori and Cirno, where Satori was checking what is Cirno thinking and latter was thinking of herself, thinking of herself, thinking of herself...
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The audience! ...Actually, I wonder if Cirno can perfect-freeze bullets that are already made of ice
She's freezing her own bullets in Perfect Freeze, so guess that means she's freezing ice, and she does it in PoFV too. That's some kind of awesome right there.
It's more like her power's so lame that she has to be the weakest type of yokai before. Kind of makes it more impressive given her strength.
Her boss subtitle is actually the same as that of Orange, the stage 1 boss, which I think is slightly interesting. She's also apparantly one of the oldest Youkai in gensokyo.
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Yeah really should have done a Yuuka would have been more interesting. Well my theory's been destroyed. :blush: Anyways where's the evidence for she's the oldest yokai in Gensouyko again?
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Tewi's age between 1300 and 1.3 million. Youkai age isn't that much of a factor if you compare her with who's really older.
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It's mentioned a few times in her PMiSS article, IIRC. Not THE oldest, mind you, just unusually old.
As for Yuuka's power being lame, It's true that it doesn't have much use in combat, but then neither does treasure-finding or medicine making. If the character herself is interesting enough to stand on her own, special abilities aren't that important; most fans would still like Remilia even if her power was 'ability to the extent of using diet statistic analogies', for example.
Unrelated, but: the idea of a Cirno vs Cirno freeze-off and freezing her own ice reminds me about a book I read with two hypnotists that could freeze time. They would each freeze time in layers and stop themselves getting frozen by the other's freeze, but each time they would get colder, so it was essentially a battle of wills. Then the weaker hypnotist astrally projects herself into the arctic, reasoning ice wouldn't be bothered by the cold, and starts spammin' some time freezes to victory.
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Yes a freeze off. That would be so awesome on so many levels. Somebody needs to make a doujin or video about it. It would be so epic. Weird how nobody at niconico posted it. Sure would be a battle on epic scales. I could see strategy coming in. If Cirno 1 shoots danmaku then Cirno 2 would freeze it. Then again Cirno 2 could also do the same. What if they saved up perfect freeze on the right time? Or what happens if they both use Perfect Freeze at the SAME TIME. :o
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Touhou Tag team battle Doujin comes into my mind on danbooru. Afaik it also featured Cirno. Forgot artist name, but searching for it in the pool might show it (Note: it is not dream tag battle [wrestle])
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Like I said in the other thread, I believe the Yuuka = fairy idea is based on her PMiSS article saying "She's more like a manifestation of nature rather than a flower youkai," and fairies are the local manifestations of nature, are they not? Her sadism tendencies...well, she's a huge troll who loves to fight, so they just took that and cranked it to eleven.
Also, multiple Cirnos perfect freezing at once? I get the image of an iceberg full of stuck Cirnos just floating in the Misty Lake...
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I don't know about you all, but regarding Yuuka's ability, if The Batman version (the one running from 2004 to 2008) of Poison Ivy taught me anything, it's that flowers and other kinds of plants can be really dangerous if you make them do what you want them to do... This is assuming that Yuuka's ability works the same.
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While Yuuka could do the same as Poison Ivy, her strength isn't reliant on that.
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Touhou Tag team battle Doujin comes into my mind on danbooru. Afaik it also featured Cirno. Forgot artist name, but searching for it in the pool might show it (Note: it is not dream tag battle [wrestle])
The artists name is Kiku Hitomoji.
Here's the link of the doujin : http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/1167
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I like to think of most fairies as forces of the natural world that possess no ego, but manifest as barely physical blips of pure Mutha Nature. The exceptions, like Cirno et al, were flukes who managed to develop into what they are by pure chance.
Also, Yuuka reminds me of one of those little dudes in high school who talk a big game with little to back it up.
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Also, Yuuka reminds me of one of those little dudes in high school who talk a big game with little to back it up.
Then you get a master spark to the knee face.
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Like I said fairies are made by their environment which is nature. The reason they are not aggressive is because they are not threatened at all by anything really. Really makes me think what If fairies actually do feel threatened at all? I mean they seem to be the most happiest yokai in gensoukyo. Cirno's theme reflect that as it just seems to be upbeat tune throughout her theme. I'm not even sure if fairies come from nature at all due to them being too lax. If that's true then where do other yokai come from at all? Then again that's for another thread.
As for Yuuka I'm pretty sure she's strong otherwise we're left with a tsundere yuuka or a meek yuuka both of which feels weird. I mean we already have Alice for that so I'm good with this sadistic version of Yuuka.
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Judging by Oriental Sacred Place, most fairies run like hell while screaming like little girls whenever they feel threatened. Presumably their attacks on Reimu and Marisa in the games are mostly them trying to play pranks (although most extra stages typically have the story or dialogue describe the fairies as "going wild" etc etc). After all, also judging by Oriental Sacred Place, the attitude of most fairies seems to be "prank first, worry about punishment later" (though they at least have enough self-preservation to try to not get caught while pranking).
Perfect Memento explicitly states that Yuuka's really REALLY strong, and explicitly states that Yuuka's strength has nothing to do with her ability to control flowers (and, by logic, vice-versa).
I always took the whole "force of nature" sentence to basically mean that Yuuka will attack without discussion or reason. In essence, trying to talk your way out of a battle with Yuuka is like trying to talk your way out of battle with an incoming tornado. Although apparently you're allowed to watch from the sidelines if she's in a battle with someone else.
Although Perfect Memento describes it very seriously, from Yuuka's perspective, she's really just playing around and teasing people according to Phantasmagoria of Flower View. Fandom took her whole genocide comments and remarks from the pre-windows games and assumed she was serious about that. But ZUN explicitly stated in the now-defunct Gensokyo bulletin board that comments such as that were akin to pro-wrestling comments (IE, meant to make things look all flashy and serious and deadly when it really... well, isn't). Really, nearly ALL Touhou characters talk in very serious tones but obviously aren't actually killing each other (Remilia calilng Reimu a serial killer for killing Sakuya in EoSD, for example, despite how Sakuya's obviously still alive, and the myriad of youkai bosses saying they're going to eat you when in truth, everyone knows they're not actually allowed to eat Gensokyo residents)
...despite that, Shikieiki still thinks Yuuka takes things too far, but whatever.
Come to think about it, as to WHY she's like that... well, hilariously enough, one of the endings to Yuuka's debut game Lotus Land Story has Marisa wondering what deep thoughtful insightful reason or background Yuuka had for attacking the shrine, and it then pans to Yuuka saying she just had nothing else to do.
Given Momiji's background about old youkai running out of ways to pass the time, I'm going to guess that Yuuka's the way she is simply because she's lived so long that she has nothing else to do. Maybe that's why Shikeiki tells her she's lived too long.
Back on topic, presumably most of Fairy War's difficulty can be chalked up to being from Cirno's perspective. Marisa even explicitly states before and after the battle that she's holding back a lot, despite her being an EX boss in that game (and a very difficult one, at that!). Although she does at least akcnowledge that Cirno turned out to be stronger than she thought CIrno would be.
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Man I was about to lay some smackdown, good thing we have other members here.
Also, Yuuka reminds me of one of those little dudes in high school who talk a big game with little to back it up.
Yuuka reminds me of a cheerful kid in high school who mostly keeps to herself and her hobbies, briefly gets targeted by a bully and then rigs an explosive to the bully's car.
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Hm. Yeah, that might be more accurate.
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yay that kind of makes her moe and dangerous. Kind of like a yandere except sort of sane unless you piss her off. :3
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taking some excerpts from PMiSS
This class of youkai is not interested in the average human, and only pays attention to equally strong youkai or humans with special abilities.
However, when ones with power clash, both sides are aware that they cannot come to a conclusion easily
To counter this, rules will often be decided beforehand and a formal battle will take place.
By fighting with these rules, even if one could continue after losing, they must admit their loss.
Once that is done, the other side will not continue further.
That is the wisdom of youkai who have lived long.
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There are no countermeasures; it's impossible for ordinary humans to exterminate her. They can only be vigilant.
Luckily, she isn't interested in boring battles, so as long as you don't attack, set up a trap, or set her field of flowers on fire, you should be fine.
If you come across this youkai battling with someone else, do not get yourself involved.
However, these fights are based on certain rules, so as long as you do not disturb the fight, she'll be polite.
If you can keep your distance, it's also a good idea to watch.
Battles between non-humans are full of breathtaking beauty.
I used to respect Yuuka's ability with flowers as an extreme example of someone "blessed with suck" that can kick ass (and thinking that it was responsible for her super strenght, besides her ultimate magic thing), until realizing that it's independent :p (still, if you think about how she, as Benny once mentioned iirc, could use Kyokutai lasers while half-asleep and still have stamina to fight for yet another stage.. /powerleveldiscussionlol)
She can still extrapolate her abilities due to no defined limits for her abilities, too.. Gensokyo's full of cheaters.
people asking for how Cirno would do against Reimu or herself forget that PoFV exists :(
I think that fairies are weak (generally; there are some strong ones in later stages and extra stages), unless some exceptional one has some sort of exceptional backstory explaining her exceptional abilities. But their strenght would probably lie in numbers, like nature's "elementals", just my opinion though.
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Heheheh. Yuuka is youkai moe. They should call that language Japunese (or Nippun, for the purists).
Yuuka reminds me of a cheerful kid in high school who mostly keeps to herself and her hobbies, briefly gets targeted by a bully and then rigs an explosive to the bully's car.
What kind of explosive would Yuuka use? A flower bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_bomb)! Nyuk nyuk nyuk.
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Yuuka, eh? One thing you have to remember about Yuuka is that flower manipulation is not her only power, it was just the thing she started out with. Super-Strength? Check. Created a spell that utilizes magic into a coherent beam of destruction? Check. Can make a double of herself who can also do anything she can? Check. Has her own pocket realm? Check. Has been able to manipulate flowers at will for centuries? Check.
Even without all the extra stuff, flower manipulation should never EVER be underestimated. After all, Mother Nature can be a very spiteful bitch.
On Cirno being more and more powerful as time went on, someone from another board I frequent gave out an explanation for that:
Hmm, my personal theory was that Cirno was just too dim to know that fairies weren't suposed to be able to get that broken. All her power comes from the fact that she didn't know it was impossible and anyone who says it is is obviouly lying because she can do it. She just managed to Hax the Fairies class skill of "Idiot".
In other words: "Anything is possible if you're too dim to realize it isn't."
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I think Fairies are supposed to be somewhat powerful, at least some of them. There are hints that even Youkai stay away from Lily White during Spring.
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I think Fairies are supposed to be somewhat powerful, at least some of them. There are hints that even Youkai stay away from Lily White during Spring.
isn't that just because she's a pest, basically
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I don't know about you all, but regarding Yuuka's ability, if The Batman version (the one running from 2004 to 2008) of Poison Ivy taught me anything, it's that flowers and other kinds of plants can be really dangerous if you make them do what you want them to do... This is assuming that Yuuka's ability works the same.
In my perspective it's the same as Wriggle's power. Controlling insects might appear "lame" to some, but this means that Wriggle could have the more deadlier insects in her control. And in Yuuka's case, some flowers are indeed poisonous, so there's a lot to be said about underestimating powers.
Yuuka gives a whole new meaning to "flower power" :P
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In my perspective it's the same as Wriggle's power. Controlling insects might appear "lame" to some, but this means that Wriggle could have the more deadlier insects in her control. And in Yuuka's case, some flowers are indeed poisonous, so there's a lot to be said about underestimating powers.
Yuuka gives a whole new meaning to "flower power" :P
Last thing I really want is to have Wriggle have an army of killer bees (or giant hornets that are bigger than your thumb). Come to think of it, poison pollens are more of Medicine's thing.
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To be honest, manipulation of flowers is oddly specific. She stops being able to control the plant as soon as it stops budding, if it's taken literally.
I think this thread got derailed at some point but I'm not entirely sure where.
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If Yuuka's power is in direct correlation to her ability, then the logical thing is to say 'she can manipulate flowers in any sense of the word', because we have people like Reimu and Yukari who have powers that sound lame but are in effect extremely powerful because the wording on their ability is used literally.
But yeah, I'm a fan of the theory that her power isn't in correlation to her ability. She probably has a definite advantage in some places (like the Garden), since she gets another tool, but ultimately she's just absurdly powerful by virtue of experience and age. It's also stated "Furthermore, there were also such statements like "this ability is more of an extra," and "completely unrelated to her abilities, she uses an umbrella and scatters flower petals to perform graceful attacks" and because of this, one would think that this is not an ability oriented for battle (although one might still wonder if scattering flower petals is not included in manipulating flowers)." on the wiki. PC-98 says she's the most powerful class of youkai, but Windows doesn't say anything either way.
She picks a fight with Shikieiki pretty confidently, who is someone Yukari is scared of. (In a 'oh god she's more powerful than me' or a 'scary like my old grandma' way, who knows)
When she's beat in Phantasmagoria, it's a lot like beating Marisa in Fairy Wars. She's the one driving you away, not the other way around.
Perfect Mementon mentions she's really powerful a lot, and that even the claims that Reimu's exterminated her several times is 'probably bogus'.
Those are the sources quoted on the Touhou Wiki.
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Last thing I really want is to have Wriggle have an army of killer bees (or giant hornets that are bigger than your thumb). Come to think of it, poison pollens are more of Medicine's thing.
If Medicine and Wriggle teamed up... it would be a massive disaster. Call Reimu in advance, I say!!
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She picks a fight with Shikieiki pretty confidently, who is someone Yukari is scared of. (In a 'oh god she's more powerful than me' or a 'scary like my old grandma' way, who knows)
More like the latter. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9884.msg745992.html#msg745992)
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Speaking of fairies and Yuuka, anyone think that Yuuka's options and shot in MS look uncannily like a certain fairy in a certain well-known property :derp:
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They plainly just want her to listen to their tutorial about how to open doors.
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She picks a fight with Shikieiki pretty confidently, who is someone Yukari is scared of.
It doesn't really seem like it. Yuuka seems to be somewhat afraid of Eiki, or at least wary of her. Unlike everyone else, she is respectful to Eiki, that is saying a lot.
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Maybe she sees Shikieiki as a "worthy rival" of sorts. That would explain why she speaks to Shiki respectfully (not including when she's mad at being lectured, of course) yet is also eager to prove which one of the two is strongest in Gensokyo.
Perfect Memento says that most long lived youkai of Gensokyo have been helped out by Shiki at least once in their lives, although I imagine if anything that would just encourage Yuuka to want to prove herself the stronger even more.
Hilariously enough, Shikieiki almost certainly doesn't care. She responds to Yuuka that she isn't even a Gensokyo resident.
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Well, she is technically right. Eiki resides in Higan and that is not part of Gensokyo. She and Komachi can presumably cross the Hakurei Barrier without any issues, since one resides in Higan and the other needs to row spirits to Higan.
I am also under the impression that Yuuka believes Eiki to be the strongest when she made that comment.
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I'm not sure the barrier actually blocks anything except travel to and from the real world. It seems entierly possible for anyone to go to heaven and its subterranean counterpart, and the netherworld (post-border weakening in any case), or other realms like makai and such that probably aren't part of gensokyo.
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Actually, we don't really know that. Higan is the only area explicitly said to be not from Gensokyo. I don't believe the other areas mention that.
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Hence why I said probably. I do think that it doesn't make much sense for the entierty of heaven and the netherworld and the like to be relegated to one tiny area of Japan, however.
I suppose there's always the possibility that there's a seperate heaven/netherworld for gensokyo and makai was created as a pocket dimension in it, or perhaps the barrier extends to the 'Gensokyo' part of heaven (so you can go directly up, but if you tried going too far west or somesuch you'd still encounter the barrier)
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I love the idea of a Gensokyan Heaven, with a barrier of its own. I wonder if it would have the same qualities, i.e., obfuscation. Could a portion of Heaven be unknown and invisible to the rest of it? Really weirdly appealing idea.
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Or even the idea that Bhava-Agra in and of itself is a place forgotten by the outside world and thus is just as part of Gensokyo as everything else is, rather than existing as a separate entity.
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I love how this board is becoming my idea board for fiction.
Although fairies reportedly resurrect "immediately", this does mean that for the briefest of moments, they are no more - you can't resurrect without having first passed away, even if only for a very short instant. I wonder if they might appear as tiny blips in Heaven when they die. Their little spirits momentarily appearing there, for a split second, before resurrection.
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That is assuming that fairies come out as spirits first. If they do, then maybe they appear on heaven. But when they do resurrect, where exactly do they appear? It's not like they have the Pacman ghost's area of resurrection.
But my guess is that they would return to once they came after they supposedly die (we already talked about them fairies being offshoots of nature, thus would come back to said area, like Cirno may probably revive herself near ice or the misty lake). It's reminding me of a Serious Sam quote "Didn't I just kill you 2 rooms back?", in this case "Weren't you in Touhou 6?"
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I like to think of fairies dying like Pikmin, with their little souls going "WEHH!!!" except then they instantly rebirth.
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I wonder if they might appear as tiny blips in Heaven when they die. Their little spirits momentarily appearing there, for a split second, before resurrection.
That would be pretty funny seeing that going on. You see a bunch of them popping up then goin away, "looks like another incident's being resolved."
If they did have a Pacman style respawn you'd get a gigantic pile of fairies somewhere. Scoring stage 6 in UFO with a Master Spark would have an intersting effect in all this. An army of them shows up in Heaven for a split second, if anyone can witness it they wonder what the hell happened, then someone walking though the forest somewhere is buried under 50+ fairies exploding out of nowhere.
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Well sadly her power is really lame. I mean you have fate manipulation, miracle powers, gap powers, time manipulation, and lots of other powers. I mean all these people that have these powers are pretty strong in their own right. Yuuka seems more like an curve ball to me. Very unusually but very powerful in it's own right. It's more like her power's so lame that she has to be the weakest type of yokai before. Kind of makes it more impressive given her strength.
I believe Yuuka's power is impressive in a different sense than just 'powerful'. If I recall correctly, it's stated that she can made flowers either wither or bloom. To control something into such extent is more than just simply manipulate in my opinion.
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I believe Yuuka's power is impressive in a different sense than just 'powerful'. If I recall correctly, it's stated that she can made flowers either wither or bloom. To control something into such extent is more than just simply manipulate in my opinion.
Pretty much this. In a place like Touhou, impressive=/=powerful. By sheer virtue of being beautiful, Yuuka's power is pretty impressive danmaku wise.
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My thoughts on this...well, for a youkai, Gensokyo is the sort of place where if everyone thinks you are a total badass, well then, that's what you are. And Yuuka's had a long, long time to scare the heck out of humanity. Hence the disconnect between her ability and her power - she's channeling an obscene amount of raw fear.
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Guys, re-re-rail, please.
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Guys, re-re-rail, please.
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Powerleveldiscussion senses are tingling
Friendly reminder that power level discussions are frowned heavily upon. We don't want to go down that road. Like Tengu requested: re-rail please because right now the discussion is vibing power levels. And nobody likes those.
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Oh, I meant "less Yuuka, more fairies" than powerlevels, but yeah, that too.
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re-rail please because right now the discussion is vibing power levels. And nobody likes those.
I'd like to see a Curiosities of Lotus Asia chapter with Rinnosuke lecturing Reimu and Marisa on the finer points of luck vs fate manipulation or somesuch. A well-thought out (if ultimately completely innaccurate, as is half the charm of CoLA) argument without people getting upset, mmm.
But yes, fairies:
I love how this board is becoming my idea board for fiction.
Although fairies reportedly resurrect "immediately", this does mean that for the briefest of moments, they are no more - you can't resurrect without having first passed away, even if only for a very short instant. I wonder if they might appear as tiny blips in Heaven when they die. Their little spirits momentarily appearing there, for a split second, before resurrection.
One touhou comic series used this for dramaz, with Cirno briefly appearing in front of Komachi at the sanzu river after getting killed momentarily after hints that she was undergoing some sort of change.
Imagine if this were the case, and SWR wasn't a fighting game. Trying to do Tenshi's route, and keep getting spammed by faries as the following challengers fight their ways up.
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One touhou comic series used this for dramaz, with Cirno briefly appearing in front of Komachi at the sanzu river after getting killed momentarily after hints that she was undergoing some sort of change.
Imagine if this were the case, and SWR wasn't a fighting game. Trying to do Tenshi's route, and keep getting spammed by faries as the following challengers fight their ways up.
Do you by chance remember the name of this comic? I would love to see this, even if I am a little crestfallen that my idea was STOLEN.
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Feeling a bit like that kid who had his hand raised for 4 minutes and then someone takes your answer?
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I'd like to see a Curiosities of Lotus Asia chapter with Rinnosuke lecturing Reimu and Marisa on the finer points of luck vs fate manipulation or somesuch. A well-thought out (if ultimately completely innaccurate, as is half the charm of CoLA) argument without people getting upset, mmm.
Curiosities of Lotus Asia Chapter 27: Mechanism of Fortune (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia/Chapter_27)
...well, it's kinda close to that.
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OK, something about fairies then. Each fairy is specifically linked to something natural. Cirno has ice, flower fairies have flowers, Lily has spring, etc. More specifically, the three light fairies have their respective celestial bodies. Thus, Sunny and Luna, as expected, suffer when the sun or moon isn't out, or is hidden by clouds. Since the stars are still there, even when the sun is drowning them out, Star doesn't care about day or night. Makes sense so far, right? So...how come Star doesn't get blocked by clouds as well?
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The entire sky would have to be covered with clouds.
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Well, yes. But overcast skies aren't exactly a rare thing. For example, that storm during the Cirno + Daiyousei chapter. Unless you're thinking that the whole world needs to be cloudy, which I find is just a bit far to stop one little fairy. I think it's more likely she just isn't affected by them, and that makes me wonder why.
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Well I'm not familiar with the actual story, but if there's a chapter with a storm and she's not weakened then I don't know what say. Maybe Luna and Sunny are powered up by direct light while Star just gets powered up from the existence of stars themselves? Starlight isn't very bright anyway and the stars are far away, so maybe it's different from getting energy from a nearby celestial body. Her ability is weaker too right? She just detects things while the others make funky stuff happen.
Oh my god magic hammer time! =D
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Do you by chance remember the name of this comic? I would love to see this, even if I am a little crestfallen that my idea was STOLEN (http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1357).
I do. Don't get too excited or anything though, it was just a page or two of foreshadowing, and it hasn't been expanded upon as of yet. The comic was Shenanigans in a Magical Forest (http://dizzy.pestermom.com/?p=csa01marisa0001) (a homestuck parody), and the issue in question was number 450.
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Sunny Milk's power obviously is less potent when there is no sun, because there's less light to refract. It's also mentioned that it's distorted when it's raining, and this again should be obvious. Luna's ability doesn't actually get dampened by the lack of moonlight, she just gains from the moonlight (as Sunny gains from sunlight). Are there any examples or sources where her ability is suppressed? The main reason you'd ask about Star is because the other two have special cases, but I don't think the Luna specula is correct. I think it's just Sunny's ability that's affected, for obvious reasons. Star probably just doesn't gain or lose from starlight or the lack of.
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Well, there is another manga that has Cirno "dying" sort of. It is called going to Higan. You find it at the touhou wiki or here: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/70823/touhou-going-to-higan-doujinshi_v01_by_gaku-gaku-animal-land
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adding this (http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/936) (danbooru, nsfw ads) to the "cirno gets omae'd" pool, because I don't have anything else that's interesting enough to contribute to the thread atm.
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Theory: Fairies are about as powerful as the 'status' of nature in comparison to everything else. In the moden world, where we've more or less subjugated nature, fairies are powerless if not non-existant entirely. In Gensokyo, which has towns and settlements but ones that are more in harmony with nature by comparison, the fairies are far more powerful but still weak, as the settlements still dominate the relationship. In a completely wild setting, or one where nature has retaken the cities and towns, fairies would suddenly be more powerful.
Extension: Fairies are powerful in the Garden of the Sun, but Yuuka counts as the garden itself for power. Thus, she dominates the area and is far more powerful. In, say, the underground, the fairies are also simlarily powered, but the Hells could be considered 'settled' (due to the furnaces and apparent disposal system Orin works), and thus they are less powerful in comparison.
Just a thought. Would also explain why fairies don't spontaneously reappear in buildings and such at respawn, or in your face at all. I'd imagine that'd be annoying/surprising/irritating.