Sooooo.... Care for a nice chat? Unfortunately, we couldn't have Vi/Umu join us. Meh, oh well.There's still time to replace out.
Oh god you aren't really going to google translate your posts are you DormioI'm sure the people who use Google Translate if you type in what you do not have any problem - it's that people read and hear scumhunts Dormio whenever temptation, and his post has been attracting much attention to. Dormio how little people have listened to the game, given the past, it's very effective mob strategy.
You know what to I never going to refer to whole lot As Harold Wilson... ...
Speech programs are unborn poets in electronic disguise. But I digress...
##Vote: PX
Setting a trap for the next guy to jump on the bandwagon.
Harold Wilson Riles serious easy or a boat one PXIt was intended as a jokeboat, but let's say it's serious now that he cut me.
Schezo (1): ShadowehBASTARD MODDING ALERT.
##UnvoteWhy Dormio and not PX?
##Vote: Dormio
New plan: Lynch everyone who can't speak english. Then filter depending on who has blonde hair and blue eyes.
PX's posts are closer to words. I can almost understand what they say. I have no clue what Dormio is talking about, at all.(http://i40.tinypic.com/b85v7q.gif)
Why Dormio and not PX?Why PX and not Dormio?
They're using different translators.Also I want to know the context of this; just curious.
Having said that, PX's #36 seems to imply that PX originally thought that I was scum. What do you make of this, PX?What
Also about the start using ways I can see how is most likely like a city of using it nowThis statement is saying that you can now see why a townie would do something like what I was doing.
Dislike both Conq and Shadoweh. Huh What has astutely pointed out that PX's mash of words actually hides points and opinions, whereas mine is inane drivel.Why would I vote PX? Do you yourself have anything against PX?
Why do they go after me, instead of the person looking to mask their intentions?
Seems like I was an easier target, or something, due to my posts making less sense.
And about the part where I stopped using Voice Recognition was a lie
Conq, stop fencesitting.I can't help being indecisive. :ohdear:
I'll also note that Shadoweh and Conq don't really feel like doing anything with their votes for the time being, then.Why so testy? If you have something to say, say it. I'll note your vote on Shadoweh; is that still RVS?
@Harold Wilson: I'm going to wait for a response from PX before I comment on it.:/
As for why Shadoweh over Conq? I was thinking about switching in #50, where I said I dislike both of them, but decided against it since Conq was actually posting stuff and Shadoweh was not.
@HW#59: Whatever, it's how I (t)roll.
I'm changing my mind, I really hate fucking work of the Google translation.
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
That post was pretty noncommital and looks like you're taking advantage of what other people already said. Why Shadoweh over Conq? I'd argue Conq is worse from my perspective.
I'll also note that Shadoweh and Conq don't really feel like doing anything with their votes for the time being, then.My last line in the previous post was referring to this.
What's your opinion of Conq/Shadoweh? not scummy/not scummy?Their Dormio votes were null when initially made. Conq is voteparking for minimal reasons right now, though, and I'd reason he doesn't want to get caught wagon hopping, since pushing me to 4 votes this early in the day is something he'd have to take significant accountability for. Have barely been processing his posts until now due to the ridiculous amount of cuts, but feel confident in this now that I have.
Conq + Shadoweh votes for Dormio seem fishy. Shadoweh's more so. I have a feeling I'll like Conq more the more he posts.But you're never going to like me? Jerk. <_<
That he has valid reason to at least pursue Huh What with questions (I believe they are valid concerns) but neglects this until prompted to
Why your vote was too strong a stretch just to be third of the wagon in spite of the other two votes being marginally substantial as well? Well, you know what they say. Third on the wagon is scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772681.html#msg772681).That was some pretty blatant question dodging. :/
##Unvote
##Vote: Dr Rawr
Welcome to the mafia! :D
Dan, why is Serela the best place to put your vote now?
Still don't feel like the scum have arrived yet.I feel this way too.
That said, Conq is worse as far as I'm concerned, and I doubt they're scum together, so still comfortable with this.Feels like extra baggage. the vote on Conq seems weak overall. prolly because you are giving scum motivations for voteparking Dormio that I don't see existing (a.k.a Conq not wanting reponsibly for placing your wagon at 4 votes).
I have not gotten a response, therefore I must infer that the two of you care not about where your vote is, happy to simply park it on me.
I think that this is scummy.
Why am I voting for Shadoweh over you?
Well, again, it's still because you're posting. Though I don't really like what you're posting, since you have said... nothing?
Seriously, I have no idea what you think about anything.
Of Conq I express dislike now. That he has valid reason to at least pursue Huh What with questions (I believe they are valid concerns) but neglects this until prompted to and in favour of his stated Dormio case, which is only that he likes PX better doesn't strike me as a pro-active town thing to do. Please explain why you feel that Dormio is scum, Conqueror.
Their Dormio votes were null when initially made. Conq is voteparking for minimal reasons right now, though, and I'd reason he doesn't want to get caught wagon hopping, since pushing me to 4 votes this early in the day is something he'd have to take significant accountability for. Have barely been processing his posts until now due to the ridiculous amount of cuts, but feel confident in this now that I have.
##Unvote
##Vote Conqueror
Why are you too scared to switch to my wagon when your reasoning against Dormio barely even exists?
At this point, though, Conq's vote on Dormio is even more of a stretch than mine was. You should lynch him instead.What is this; not me over me already?
See above for why I voted Dormio. As for why I think he's scum, I never particularly thought he was scum. It's not a pressure vote if you tell them it is.lol
What is this; not me over me already?I want people to lynch the player I think is scum.
At this point, though, Conq's vote on Dormio is even more of a stretch than mine was. You should lynch him instead.
Feels like extra baggage. the vote on Conq seems weak overall. prolly because you are giving scum motivations for voteparking Dormio that I don't see existing (a.k.a Conq not wanting reponsibly for placing your wagon at 4 votes).I can see motivation for not wanting to be associated with swinging the wagons over to me. Critical moves like that draw attention. Scum don't want to be affiliated with the later positions on mislynch wagons either.
I cant seem to find a reason he voted for dormio in the first place, and only seemed to have left it there because do to waiting for a reply?This is why his vote was more of a stretch than mine. I had a reason to vote, even if Bard disagreed with it.
Scum don't want to be affiliated with the later positions on mislynch wagons either.I feel like I should elaborate on this.
What did Dormio need pressure for at all at that point if you didn't think he was scum? He was the first person to actually say anything serious about the game. Still a votepark.Yes, huh what, I pressure my non-town reads. How else am I supposed to get reads on people? I question the assertation that Dormio was the first person to be serious about the game since he spent his early posts posting a garbed mess. My posts were an attempt to get the game going. Read them again.
I want people to lynch the player I think is scum.The post I quoted really makes it seem like you're framing it as one or another.
I also don't want people to mislynch me.
???
This isn't Not Me Over Me, it's me trying to drive people away from a mislynch.
Also people using "contrived" as a buzzword against me is gsdfhjg. I'm sorry if you think my logic is shit but you could at least explain why you believe it's an attempt to push a mislynch in this particular scenario.Because your vote is disingenuous and I know I'm town. Also, I could say the same of your use of the word "votepark."
I can see motivation for not wanting to be associated with swinging the wagons over to me. Critical moves like that draw attention. Scum don't want to be affiliated with the later positions on mislynch wagons either.
I feel like I should elaborate on this.Go ahead and meta me if you want, but this is a theory argument and you're haphazardly applying motivation where there isn't any. If you really want a specific counterexample where I as scum swung a wagon onto town, I can point you to my vote for Kiro in NotV. In fact that entire episode basically eats this theory up.
I've noticed that on MotK, people very rarely look toward the base of mislynch wagons for scum when analyzing town flips. As a result, I ~personally~ avoid jumping onto wagons late as scum here, and would assume other people do the same (but maybe I'm just being self-centered).
This is why his vote was more of a stretch than mine. I had a reason to vote, even if Bard disagreed with it.Already addressed this.
Not feeing it from Dormio PX Dan Conq huh what Affinity Bardiche so..Requesting clarification from Shadoweh. So everyone who's posted so far is town?
Dislike both Conq and Shadoweh. Huh What has astutely pointed out that PX's mash of words actually hides points and opinions, whereas mine is inane drivel.
Why do they go after me, instead of the person looking to mask their intentions?
Seems like I was an easier target, or something, due to my posts making less sense.
Having said that, PX's #36 seems to imply that PX originally thought that I was scum. What do you make of this, PX?
This statement is saying that you can now see why a townie would do something like what I was doing.
That implies two things:
- You did not know why I would do this if I were not town, ergo I was not town until that point.
- You yourself are a townie playing around with the same thing I was.
I ask you why you felt the need to make this statement.
##Vote Dormio
That post was pretty noncommital and looks like you're taking advantage of what other people already said. Why Shadoweh over Conq? I'd argue Conq is worse from my perspective.
I'm going to wait to see more faces before deciding if any more of them are more deserving of having a vote stuck to them. Conq and I are going to be townie BFF's this game. I won't even accept any 1 vs 1's from him this time!
On another note, huhwhat seems somewhat opportunistic in his striking down of Dormio. How is Dormio doing 'three weak attacks' scummy at a time when no one else seems to be attacking? Also, no matter how questionable it might be, his point against PX is pretty strong for this time in my opinion, if one makes the assumption that Dormio's interpretation is correct.
I like my Serela vote so much I think I'll let HW go for now.
Never said I was reading Dormio as town, Dan. I said I didn't think the google translator shenanigans pointed to him being scum, and I still maintain this opinion.
For this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772680.html#msg772680). Asking for a pat on the head made me administer a flick to my computer screen. Knee-Jerk vote. I feel the need to apply pressure to his forehead more.
I'd consider voting Hw and possibly Affinity. However,I feel this way too.
Actually, Shadoweh, would you mind voting Serela with me, I feel a little lonely :(
Requesting clarification from Shadoweh. So everyone who's posted so far is town?Well, Affinity is scummy, but that's like saying people need air to breathe. The level of over-reactive flailing struck me as a giant town hullapaloza. There are still people that haven't confirmed. Actually, I don't feel like my vote is in a bad place so far.
Also i am tempted to vote for huh what do toVote for him? Alternatively, explain why you wish to vote for him. Temptation is only as good as the pressure you put behind persuing it.
@Pesco: Scum can't dictate arguments they're not a part of. Do you agree that 90% of full-blown text wars in mafia consist of early town vs town paranoia arguments? I thyink the entire derp chorus at the beginning was town and I have to reason to change my hypothesis yet.
PX needs to respond to this.
Could you clarify what strong point huh what had against px that is too early, i dont really get that
At this point Bard looks like he's just voting me over a disagreement as to how commital Dormio's post was, which doesn't indicate anything about my alignment.
I'd say Bard came off more as irritated toward you for not voting with him at that point than actually suspicious of you.
Then is Dormio scum? This doesn't sound like conviction in your voting.I felt that he was, but people were attacking him over null tells that I wouldn't lynch him on, which doesn't really have anything to do with conviction.
If you're aware of your posts being inane drivel, then why clutter up the thread with them? It's not pro-town and you claiming victim for it doesn't help. Which of your posts have your clear-cut intentions if you aren't hiding anything and what are they?Because it was fun, and I don't say anything useful in RVS anyway.
You thought Dormio was scummy, but felt that the pressure he was getting wasn't anything lynchworthy. So what made him scummy to you at all? And if all this has nothing to do with conviction, what intent do you have to lynch someone you called scummy?It's possible to want to lynch somebody, but for different reasons than the other people voting them.
Protoman seems awfully passive. Has he been doing this for the past few games? And you certainly seem more interested in looking at the people who haven't posted than looking over what's already on the table.I don't think I have. I am however not interested in playing the game this time until all the players have entered the arena. By my count this has happened now, so I'm sorting through this headache again.
In reverse, what are your thoughts on Shadoweh/ActionDan Affinity?
Action Dan: You really think that looks like your MS style of posting? It doesn't. You include more words and serious opinions. I don't get the feeling you're taking things seriously. The cheerfuly sais-on-faire is a scum-tell for you. Sorry for not joining you but:I meant adopting a MS style in general, which relys more than not on acute gut rather than logical explaination. If I had hours to spend I would not have to do this. My cheerfulness represents my bravery in the face of real life issues. Or so I say to myself. Anyway, I am surprised you'd place a vote for a "scumtell" this specious. The town Shadoweh I know would try to hurl more things at me and call them scummy. But I agree with 3/4 of your town reads (Dormio/Conq/Bard, [yes I've promoted Conq, I like the active posting and the goodly amount of references even if I skim most of it]). You forgot BT. Honestly I feel like you knew you did. I have mixed feelings about you, your reads are solid, your vote on me is not.
Serela. >___> Why does it matter how many votes Dan had on him?To a player who had quickly skimmed the game I just remembered several people going on Dan and wasn't sure if there was like 5 votes on him already. Me voting in that case would put him at a L-1, and we've got a couple of newbies who could realistically not realize that throwing their vote on the stack would be a Bad Thing :V
Still not really happy with your answer though, PX. How was 'Shadoweh's sitting back on people who have not posted' any less scummier than 'Dan's waffling on me with his vote parked on Serela'? Probably irrelevant since Shadoweh has posted, but I want to make clear your opinions.
I dont get your reads ??? People who spend time making no effort to scumhunt or people who you dont feel much about are town?
Reason i voted for shadoweh was a joke, i couldnt actually put what i wanted to say in words so i just made a useless post. But after writing down my thoughts helped so i unvoted and voted dormio.
You also mention you are ok withs BT's reason for voting dormio but not mine?
And, huh, reading ActionDan reveals he doesn't move his vote off of Serela still and we're 24 hours in.does this sufficiently explain your question of why I'm voting him for still voting me
We're already posting Walls of Opinions and Lists of Towniness? I can't say I'm fond of those on Day1, since a Wall of Neutral tends to be a long read with no real conclusions. I urge anyone to omit any mention of "neutral" feelings on someone unless it is important you make it clear. Make your posts concise and talk about people who need to be talked about; saving everyone some reading time will make posting that much more fun!^5 even though you think I'm scum. I'm not the most eligible to bitch about D1 walls at all, but I agree that people need to stop it with the posts full of reads that are entirely irrelevant.
..Why you gotta make me feel bad for voting you? -.- I'm not going to unvote you just because of that. I-I'm not! But you should be cheerful anyways. If you are town then the scum will make themselves clear to my elegant eyes soon enough.
huhwhat, your comment on ActionDan exerting 'action at a distance' regarding his catfight on Conq seems like a silly attempt to fluff up your case, given that he gave the reason why your premises on Conq were flawed before Conq did. How was it an attempt to 'spur you on' in the argument? I would like greater explanation on this; after all, my read of you being somewhat town hinges on your case on Dan, and your case being poisoned like that doesn't seem very nice.I think he should have let Conq fight his own battles. Showing support for the people attacking me but saying the scum haven't arrived yet and not bothering to vote me looks like he was taking pot-shots at a town read and trying to cheer on what he thought was a mislynch.
Tricksy I already gave an opinion on, but I don't think you, Serela and Tricksy are all scum together. I dislike trying to guess scumteams on D1 for any reason other than amusement. The only reason I mentioned you and Serela as buddies was because Dan did and I was responding to him. There's presumably at least one scum between you three, though.That's completely arbitrary. Seriously why is there presumably at least one scum between us besides because it's three votes in a row?
That said, my reasonings for Actiondan are not the same for Shadoweh. Shadoweh seems more like she doesn't want to be part of the game right now and just sit back on people who haven't posted. ActionDan shows more scummy behavior by actively going for Serela, who has yet to post at all. He even goes to ask Shadoweh to go vote Serela for reasons unknown. His reasons for voting you are waffly as well.
It's possible to want to lynch somebody, but for different reasons than the other people voting them.
I thought Dormio's initial "serious" post didn't look like a townie way of going about his opinions on Shadoweh/Conq. I explained this here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772765.html#msg772765) and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772777.html#msg772777).
Looking at the people who did the arguing, why do you dismiss the idea of a townie slapfight?
##Unvote
##Vote: Action Dan
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Would lynch: Serela, Rawr, Pesco
Would vig without a claim: Action Dan
Okay so now that I know there isn't like a billion votes on ActionDan I'm fine with going
##Unvote ##Vote ActionDan
..Why you gotta make me feel bad for voting you? -.- I'm not going to unvote you just because of that. I-I'm not! But you should be cheerful anyways. If you are town then the scum will make themselves clear to my elegant eyes soon enough.
ActionDan : You didn't seem to have a good reason for voting Serela, and as a result seem scummy from my (untrained) eyes. I also agree with points made by others. You had a chance to go somewhere with huhwhat, then decided "Nope" and voted Serela. Lynch in the face, please.
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nurse rawr : Seems to be stumbling around, voting for Shadoweh purely because Shadow voted for em, and not understanding anything. That's not really a scum-tell, but I have a feeling they are, indeed, scum.
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tl;dr: Oh dear I stink at this uh most of you seem fine let's lynch Dan or rawr.
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However, since I think Dan would indeed make the best lynch...
##Vote ActionDan
Now to make huh what doubt himself by sheeping to him.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
Amusing because it fits with exactly what I was saying too. So what do you think of Tricksy and BT then? Even if Serela and I are partners 4 lyfe we'd still have a third accomplice to murder.
Dan's posts have been improving bar the lack of a solid vote. I don't feel him as today's lynch any more. Shadoweh's vote on and off Dan are completely opportunistic.When were you feeling Dan as today's lynch? Last I checked you've been pushing me this entire time. You did acknowledge Dan as scummy, but never actually went out of your way to lynch him today.
Because I think they are competent players who can grasp the concept of abusing meta-tells. But you tell me, if you're sure of them being silly townies making noise, why aren't you bringing out a case on scum and getting said scum lynched?You're still talking about Conqueror, Dormio, huh what and PX right? At least half of those people you know wouldn't bother to abuse meta-tells and the other half don't really have meta-scum tells to me so much as attitudes that feel townie or scummy. The second line is a meaningless accusation holding me responsible for not elegantly first-post-mind-haxing the entire scum team [this game]. It's a work in progress.
Given that you don't have a vig, what is the difference between these 2 groups and why are all the people who were active first in the thread more likely to be town to you? Or if you "I don't explain my town reads", why are all the latecomers the only ones that are scum?The difference between them, as you would notice if you were astute, was related to which one of them I was voting. I did explain all my townreads, but if you'd read the paragraphs before the tl;dr maybe you'd know that.
This question can go to huhwhat as well because using "not scumhunting" as criteria for Serela doesn't really work from past examples.Serela has shown he can scumhunt even though he's not exactly amazing at it. What he posted this game just looks like he's effortlessly talking about the people everyone else is talking about to fill his "content criteria" and not get lynched. Doesn't look good considering that he was attacking Dan for not scumhunting.
Where do your priorities stand in regards to me - Tricksy - Serela?
When were you feeling Dan as today's lynch? Last I checked you've been pushing me this entire time. You did acknowledge Dan as scummy, but never actually went out of your way to lynch him today.
You're still talking about Conqueror, Dormio, huh what and PX right? At least half of those people you know wouldn't bother to abuse meta-tells and the other half don't really have meta-scum tells to me so much as attitudes that feel townie or scummy. The second line is a meaningless accusation holding me responsible for not elegantly first-post-mind-haxing the entire scum team [this game]. It's a work in progress.
The difference between them, as you would notice if you were astute, was related to which one of them I was voting. I did explain all my townreads, but if you'd read the paragraphs before the tl;dr maybe you'd know that.
In short Dan is town enough that quickwagons are strange.
That's completely arbitrary. Seriously why is there presumably at least one scum between us besides because it's three votes in a row?I just realized I somehow parsed this as "why can't we be scumbuddies".
If you're going to use reasons like 'You're a good player' again we're not going to get very far in this game. It's certainly not a titled I've ever pushed on myself. I've never been good at Day 1. Frankly on the topic of metafights, I think you're wrong, and that you'd make a superb lynch. You aren't a townread to me, either. I believe I have been scumhunting.
As for Dan, I changed my mind. This is how I collect reads. I accuse and see how the interactions go. Something in his tone was different in his second post that made me regret my wishes to see him dead. Now I'm going to push Serela until either he's lynched or he does the same.
Well, Affinity is scummy, but that's like saying people need air to breathe.What the hell is this statement, anyway?
Why is huh what at like five votes for being hyperactive? Shutup with your this isn't my case on him, he's the one replying to as many posts as possible, of course he sounds disjointed. Just look back at what you're doing and realize this wagon looks incredibly silly.I also find this defence of HW to be highly interesting.
Rawr's response is adorable. I'm doing it because I want to watch you squirm. Do you think I'm scummy for this? Is there a problem with my posts you wish to address beyond where my vote has landed? You are uninvolved, I'm practically doing you a favor by prodding at you.This is a thing and it feels bad and Shadoweh should feel bad.
Rawr: Hold on, let me read your adorable cut. That's some hilarious flailing there. Unrelated to your alignment, are you a native english speaker? Unrelated, why don't you understand BT's case on Dormio when you agree with his vote?
Would lynch: Serela, Rawr, Pesco
In short Dan is town enough that quickwagons are strange.Well, that was an interesting change of heart.
though it's hard to find it because of the annoying quotebox wall you're doingYou seemed more than content to quotewar with me last game. :wat:
As for voteparking, no, I believe Serela has a decent chance of being lynched today. I've not voted for anyone I think is a lost cause.And what of your votes on myself, DrRawr and ActionDan? Also, I just feel like sticking this quote in here, since Shadoweh was talking about who she votes for and why and stuff.
Now to make huh what doubt himself by sheeping to him.
How many votes is Shadoweh at now, anyway? It's actually rather difficult for me to quickly scroll through the topic to check right now.Three.
Well. ##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
This is a thing and it feels bad and Shadoweh should feel bad.You accuse me of machiavellian intent denied by my vote-switch. I think it's fair to ask someone why they suspect someone for making a case on the person they're voting. His answer was effectively what you're saying, which I took as good enough.
I think that Shadoweh is manipulating Rawr to her very best to try to trap him in some weird ass conclusion thing.
For example, branding Rawr's demands for her to unvote him when she voted Rawr for pretty much no reason as "squirming" and "flailing". Naturally, these words have their own connotations attached. I think that this is rather heavy handed for Shadoweh.
In addition, I feel like you're trying to misrep Rawr with the whole "why don't you understand BT's case on Dormio when you agree with his vote?".
I'm only saying this because I don't think anyone else has pointed it out, but where did Rawr say that he agreed with BT's vote?
Surely you're not going to tell me, Shadoweh, that by voting for me Rawr was agreeing with BT's opinion. Because, you know, different people can vote the same thing for different reasons.
I forgot about the vote on you. That's the only one that doesn't count.Okay.
Rawr is a newbie and would be easy to lynch if I felt inclined to push it.Do you really believe that?
Are you implying Dan was somehow not a wagon? My point stands.Your point that, what? You only vote people that you think are easy to lynch? :V
Quote waring with you was stupid and we should have stopped ten posts before we did. Also note it was town vs town and I got lynched for it. Why would I want to repeat that?My only point there is why did you need to feel the add that little snippet there. I mean, you've accused Pesco of being passive aggressive, but that statement you made right there about the whole quote box thing was rather passive aggressive too, was it not?
machiavellianWhat the hell does this word mean?
Mach?i?a?vel?li?an
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adjective
3: characterized by subtle or unscrupulous cunning, deception, expediency, or dishonesty: He resorted to Machiavellian tactics in order to get ahead.
As for voteparking, no, I believe Serela has a decent chance of being lynched today. I've not voted for anyone I think is a lost cause.
As for Dan, I changed my mind. This is how I collect reads. I accuse and see how the interactions go. Something in his tone was different in his second post that made me regret my wishes to see him dead. Now I'm going to push Serela until either he's lynched or he does the same.
Of course I do. Rawr was doing some flaily things that looked suspicious. The fact that he isn't being pushed makes me more suspicious then his own actions. You were the one arguing I was voting for nothing. My votes are placed where I think suspicion should pick up.
1) pesco, what is wrong with Shadoweh voting for 'a barely-formed' Serela wagon given that the reason for that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773235.html#msg773235) is every bit as decent as the former case on Dan? Is being the second to vote suddenly scummy?
I don't need more then 'I think you're creepy in a scummy way' to vote you.I didn't really read the thread in detail before everyone posted.
Given that what had happened before Shadoweh's and Serela's vote on Dan was nothing but a wild goose chase, I don't really have much of an issue with them missing early Day One; voluntarily or involuntarily.
I'll also note that I think that BT's case on me is bs.Kay, not going to let this pass. It was more of a prod than anything else and I think I made that pretty clear. Instead of replying to my post adequately, you dismiss it outright as a "bad case" and pretend it doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure you proceed to never mention me again, too. Nice. Explanation?
I dont understand because he mentions how weak his case is but still votes for him.I said that his initial, defensive behavior would make a weak case. My entire post after that serves to explain why it's more than that. Have you read it at all?
I want BT to expand on his Dormio case because I can't parse it. Dormio is scummy because he's trying to pursue people who aren't answering his questions?Overdefensive. Pursuing the (single) same damn thing for bad reasons when it's taking the place of (any) new content, which is terribly counterproductive for town and looks really bad. Case was mainly a prod to make him be more productive.
I've never been good at Day 1.Duffman begs to differ.
You saidOf course I want him to redeem himself. Fight and live, lose and die. Your accusations my way are more like insults made to bait me into losing my cool and raging at you until I burnout and this day ends with my lynch.
Did you want him to redeem himself in some way then? Because you'd only give that chance to people you're prodding. Not so if you honestly wanted them lynched for being scum. Your scumlynching intent is spineless. And I don't think you should do natural childbirth because you clearly don't push.
The bolded part is so wrong that it reads as 'Imma fling whatever sticks and roll with that'. Like how you try and paint Rawr scummy in the same post. He's made a vote and explained why he voted that way. He isn't doing something strange that warrants being pushed, so where would he be flailing outside of 'everyone-looks-like-scum, dunno-who-to-vote'?I'm not trying to paint Rawr as scummy. I'm saying Rawr is being extremely scummy. One implies I am being subtle about this, while the other is me telling you frankly, because he is. The question of whether it makes him scum or not is difficult to answer. He IS doing strange things that regularily would earn him a stare from all directions instead of a pat on the head. I suspect you approve because you
Pre-supposition that someone is scum and voting them with the hope that it sticks. Then ignoring the better part of all the discussion that the game has garnered. I pointed it out earlier when I quoted her vote that she shows no interest in catching scum and lynching them. She just wants a lynch, any lynch will do. That's not good enough for me, I want a scum lynch."Pre-supposition" I.E. "I have a suspicion" and "With the hope that is sticks" I.E. "I want to see if that suspicion is true." This is like saying you're voting me for playing mafia. You assumptions about how any lynch will do don't explain why the lynch you wanted in the first place is the one I fought against happening. I've made pretty clear exactly who I won't lynch. None of the people I've voted for are on that list (sadly they're too busy voting for me because of your insulting bullshit case.)
Shadoweh, you seem firm on Pesco = Not Town = Scum. Care to elaborate on why? And why your vote is on Serela?Because
Honestly i dont like youThis is the kind of scummy I'm talking about. Rawr, you don't vote for who you 'don't like', you can disagree with someone and they'll still be town . That's a scum reason to vote someone emotionally instead of based on suspicion. This post isn't based on what I've been saying, it can't be, since the Affinity thing was in my first post way in the back and you listed it last. Dormio brought it up later though, where it fits into your timeline. Your reasonings are all things that other people brought up against me, in the order they did it. Meaning you're not actually reading my posts, but trying to lynch me based on everyone else's. Read ME, not THEM.
You leave your vote on me at the start as an excuse to get all of us posting. Then still decide to not post any form of scum hunting or any cases and then use the actiondan bandwagon. You switch over to the imaginary serala wagon once people get on how your vote was quick, even though you were so ready to lynch actiondan. Then you decide to bring up affinity looking scummy and how you could easily get me lynched. If that doesnt sound desperate idk what is then.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Huh What, are you more convinced of Shadoweh scum or Serela scum?The one I'm voting. I'm still waiting to hear something from him that isn't recycled.
I want to see opinions that aren't just the person voting for you.Oh hey it's a showerdeh thing! K. It wasn't really due to him voting me (I mean he didn't even PRETEND to have an actual case on me or think I was actually scummy) it's just that he was still doing what was essentially a jokevote after so far into the game, in addition to stuff I said earlier.
Serious response: I don't think he's actually "fluffing content" here. If you want to get meta, then town!Serela does go out of his way to find original points when possible, from my experience.I need to, to make up for the fact that most of my content is just me voicing opinions without giving reasoning, babbling blather, or just crunching numbers :V
BecauseThis is interesting because you said the same thing about him in Vanilla II where he was pushing you for similiar reasons and both of you flipped town. If you're town, then what in particular makes you think this case is different? AFAIK you're one of the more meta players so I'm not sure why you'd discount this.VOTE PESCOOOOOOOhis intent feels wrong to me. If you're asking why I'm not voting for him, it's because I don't think he'll be lynched today. If I believe he is possibly scum, trying to lynch me for voting Serela makes Serela suspicious, on top of the suspicion I held in the first place. It's my rule not to change my vote until the person I'm voting gives me a reason to. Serela hasn't had a chance to post yet.
Cut by Serela posting something with a fucked up words/content ratio.This is really true. In D1 usually I come up with even less content then my normal rock-bottom amounts and after the easiness of Dan went away I got stuck with that again. Maybe I'll magically see a case on Conq or Shadoweh while I reread them and the Shadoweh wagon, but :C
This is really true. In D1 usually I come up with even less content then my normal rock-bottom amounts and after the easiness of Dan went away I got stuck with that again. Maybe I'll magically see a case on Conq or Shadoweh while I reread them and the Shadoweh wagon, but :C
3) Dormio, why is Shadoweh suddenly scummier than the Conq case you have been pushing for so long? How are things like 'huhwhat being town' indicative of Shadoweh being scum?I still don't particularly like Conq for ignoring me, however, nobody shares these sentiments with me. On top of that, it's getting somewhat close to the end of the day, which means that we should consolidate on a lynch. And I would prefer Shadoweh over the others.
This also applies to you Serela :\...oh shit it does?
So its bad to use other peoples logic? Even if it does make sense?No, it's bad to use other people's logic to fabricate a series of events that never happened. What you are voting me for never actually happened.
In unrelated news when Bardiche gets here I want to know how on earth he can manage attacking huhwhat for having a bad vote on me and having that as a justification for a vote and then, in the same exact post, attacking me because he doesn't know why I'm calling huhwhat's vote contrived. Do I really need to highlight something it looks like you can see for yourself ???
I forgot Bard exists. Hoping for a post from him soon!...oh nevermind he's been posting. Uhm.
Bardiche: Would you prefer I spend hours on a post and not tell you how I feel?
Bardiche, what do you think of huhwhat in light of his new vote on ActionDan?
The link is HW's case on Serela, not Shadoweh's. See what she says in her voteswitch post
no i actually didnt hop the actiondan wagon. i would think its desperate scum because i dont think someone who is town would go around saying "i could easily lynch xxx even though i mention that the case is pretty weak". Im really all for lynching shadoweh actiondan or dormio, but shadoweh caught my attention the most when she switched her "i want dan lynched" to "I think serela will be lynched" and then bringing up how easily she could get me lynched.
And I would prefer Shadoweh over the others.
Bardiche is still the townest, though Affinity is the same huggable level as you.See, this is why I don't want your feelings known. I don't care you're hugging Affinity behind my back, treating my love like you would the left-overs from two weeks ago from the Chinese take-away!
PX, are you disregarding the Shadoweh wagon solely due to the speed at which it came up? Why Serela over Shadoweh?
Maybe I'll magically see a case on Conq or Shadoweh while I reread them and the Shadoweh wagon, but :CThis looks like he's trying to find a case to use to justify his vote (when he does)
Okay, after some food, I clarify that I am voting Serela for not looking for scum, but looking for people that look easy to lynch based on other people.You know, I could swear that Shadoweh said something to that effect too. :V
As for voteparking, no, I believe Serela has a decent chance of being lynched today. I've not voted for anyone I think is a lost cause.Well, here we have something. By lost cause, she means someone that she knows that she can't get lynched, like Pesco.
As far as I can see, Shadoweh's only response to this has been:I forgot about the vote on you. That's the only one that doesn't count.Okay.
There's also this thing.Rawr is a newbie and would be easy to lynch if I felt inclined to push it.Do you really believe that?Are you implying Dan was somehow not a wagon? My point stands.Your point that, what? You only vote people that you think are easy to lynch? :V
Of course I do. Rawr was doing some flaily things that looked suspicious. The fact that he isn't being pushed makes me more suspicious then his own actions. You were the one arguing I was voting for nothing. My votes are placed where I think suspicion should pick up.In which she states that, yes, she believes that Rawr should have been easy for her to push a lynch on.
Given that you don't have a vig,This is why I make fun of you when you claim to be able to read me. What makes you think I don't have a vig? I've been really blatant about how I'm planning to kill you tonight. The question in itself is bad. It's rolefishing. You have no way to know whether that's true or not, and any answer I give you in that direction tells you about my role, not my alignment. It's just sitting there, begging to be refuted.
However, it should be noted at this point I'm starting to worry Serela is abusing his meta. His... "awkward" playstyle was discussed a lot over break, and given his recent posts, it doesn't look like he's trying to improve at all even though I would expect him to be doing so this game. This doesn't sit right with me.I think this is more of a problem with how I scumhunt then how much effort I put into the game. This bothers me because, while adopting a different style of scumhunting is much better in terms of being able to make content and pick a target, I personally feel like I would not be actually finding scum quite as well as finding targets, in addition to the fact that I quite simply cannot concentrate on things and keep thoughts in order long enough to pull off the more investigatey and evaluating playstyle versus "This player does not feel like town to me!".
I'd like him to talk about how his stance on Conq is holding up right now.To be honest, I think that a lot of my dislike of Conq stems from his refusal to answer me, either through ignoring me or redirecting it.
which is a lot better than what will happen if we let you live todayThis means "live today while ignoring Pesco", if it wasn't obvious.
Dormio what did you just do.Just referring to Zombie Apocalypse mafia, where I roleblocked Shadoweh via ##Prick.
Dormio, your first point seems like a stretch: I recognise Shadoweh said she'd have an easy time lynching Rawr (a sentiment I disagree with), but I did not see her say she only voted for people that would be easy to get lynched. Link me to the specific statement that lead you to that thought?
As for voteparking, no, I believe Serela has a decent chance of being lynched today. I've not voted for anyone I think is a lost cause.It was this statement.
...well she's assumably a nightvig. It is rather an issue deciding which alignment this vig belongs to, since honestly, a non-normal-scum-NK could belong to any alignment. I don't know what to do with this.What the hell is this
I didn't think you'd give the vig shot to the town. I just think that you're terrible for not doing so. You are not an infallible Mafia goddess whose gut is worth listening to over the combined gut and logic of 13 players (or at least the ones that look townie and have enough experience to handle a vig).I said I would listen to Affinity! I'd listen to Bardiche too since he kindly made my wishes come true earlier. He did wish for a vig on someone earlier, didn't he?
I'd honestly rather just lynch you at this point than write up :words: about why I think Pesco is town or write up :words: about why player X is a better target than PescoThen you either don't believe Pesco is actually town or you're not willing to try hard enough and this is something you should be ashamed of. I see some more 'scum nightvig' stuff in there that I'm graciously ignoring. I am guarenteeing a kill tonight, and my sais-on-faire says I'm not interested in pleasing anyone with it. You tell me if that makes me town or scum.
Then you either don't believe Pesco is actually town or you're not willing to try hard enough and this is something you should be ashamed of. I see some more 'scum nightvig' stuff in there that I'm graciously ignoring. I am guarenteeing a kill tonight, and my sais-on-faire says I'm not interested in pleasing anyone with it. You tell me if that makes me town or scum.What I was trying to say was more "I'm irritated with the selfish way you're handling your role and I would want you out of the game if it weren't for the fact that you're probably town and lynching you would be bad for my wincon". I don't think you're SK due to the effort you put into crumbing.
After all, she has said that she's only gone after people that she believed she was capable of getting the lynch off on.Of course not. Why try to convince people of something you believe in with words when a nightkill will do so much better?
On top of that, she's been arguing with Pesco, saying how scummy she finds him and crumbing shooting him, but you know... Has she actually even bothered to make a case on him throughout today?
Sounds to me like some sort of set up to look like a townie nightvig.If it looks like a townie nightvig, and sounds like a townie nightvig, then obviously it's a:
If you recognise you have a failing in that last regard, then work to improve it rather than sit there and go "^_^ Lol I'm so bad at this whee".But it's fun :D... yeah I know :c
People saying his Conq vote was a votepark looks like a misrep to me, because he was assertively pushing for Conq when he preferred the lynch, it's just that nobody listened to him.
I'm not buying the "Dormio is interested in Shadoweh, but doesn't think she's scum" case because the post where he voted her made me think he was agreeing with Pesco and tacking on his own points, which shouldn't be any worse than Shadoweh sheeping me on Serela.
Shadoweh answer my goddamn question why do you feel Pesco is your best target.Sorry, you might have noticed I have alot of people to argue with. I think he's the best target because I think he's scum using his Reg Shoe style of content to avoid being lynched. Do you have a better target in mind?
Sorry, you might have noticed I have alot of people to argue with. I think he's the best target because I think he's scum using his Reg Shoe style of content to avoid being lynched. Do you have a better target in mind?If you mean quote walls + valid points that seem "by-the-book", isn't that just how he formats his posts and scumhunts in general (see Vanilla II)? <_< I'm not seeing him as Reg Shoe at all, I'm just seeing him as Pesco. If I don't get what you're saying, then elaborate.
Can you state, in bullet-points and clear language, what makes you feel she is scum and why?Let's see here...
why did you tack on the note that you never felt better about Shadoweh while voting Conq?Because I didn't? She was still failing to post, so why should I feel any better about her?
Dormio, if you think that you are justified in switching from Conq to Shadoweh just because no one was listening to you, why is Shadoweh wrong for voting her second/third choices if she feels that no one would listen to her first choices (such as pesco, etc.)?Ah, yes, here's a thing I was looking for.
As for Dan, I changed my mind. This is how I collect reads. I accuse and see how the interactions go. Something in his tone was different in his second post that made me regret my wishes to see him dead. Now I'm going to push Serela until either he's lynched or he does the same.
Would lynch: Serela, Rawr, Action Zakeri
I don't think Rawr would be a bad lynch, his chances of being flailing scum are decent considering he hasn't been jumped on for his antics.
Rawr was doing some flaily things that looked suspicious. The fact that he isn't being pushed makes me more suspicious then his own actions.
Mostly posting to actually contribute, and also to avoid a prod. My scumhunting skills are lackluster, but I'll just lay out my opinions on everyone. Or I would if I had opinions. So, let's make some!Lack of a desire to contribute + shaky opinions I can't get a grasp on + willingness to join wagons for sketchy reasons. Did anyone actually read his post or did y'all just skim it?
and it seems weird that he's still clinging to the Shadoweh vote over SK speculation.But he's not. Does that change anything for you?
Okay, this isn't going anywhere. I did actually try to get through this without doing this, but..
Sigh. I really am bad at hiding this killing intent. As much fun as this is I think I'm going to let you all in on the joke and why I'm not particularily interested in talking to Pesco. Or threatening him with a vote. I have something much better.
Or we could just lynch you because you're playing Serial Killer (or even scum nightvig) instead of town. I think that would solve everybody's problems right now.
What the hell is thisI said I would listen to Affinity!
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
Pushing Shadoweh as SK is probably the scummiest thing I've seen today, regardless of whether or not she actually is.
Serela: I do NOT like this dude.
Seriously. Like I said earlier, what is #259 if not a miserable pile of AtE? Not to mention being generally useless. His reasoning for switching to Zakeri, and then me can be summed up as "Because." Unfortunately, for some reason, Serela feels townish to me. Though I am inclined to think that this may be a side effect of consuming too many crayons.
What do you think about Serela and Dormio, who actually have a chance of getting lynched today? I don't see myself getting offed by a last minute pile-up at this point, given the opinions I've seen expressed on me recently.
A few questions for ShadowehI'm going to assume you mean "Why did you unvote" since Zakeri replaced Dan and is listed in the quote there. I don't remember why I unvoted but I vaguely remember it being a good feeling. He's the only person voting with you so far, so he can't be that bad, right? Tricksy would be a weird lynch right now though. He looks like he's almost headed for a modkill. I don't think he can have put enough information out to judge his alignment. He hasn't yet answered your questions because he hasn't put a second post out.
What changed your mind about wanting to lynch Dan?
Because I didn't?
Like I said in #81 where I switched to Conq, that did not necessarily mean that I liked Shadoweh any more.
I re-read the past few pages after considering what Pesco said and I'm now thinking Dormio is a derp who was just saying whatever came to his mind. I hadn't considered the possibility of him taking what I said and running with it, since I went out of my way to say I thought the speculation would be stupid. I didn't think people would push the SK issue seriously. Serela switch looks less bad since he apparently did telegraph it in his #261, though the comment was rather negligible and difficult to find.Pesco's point was also that it doesn't matter if you say something is stupid. There was a study done about how memory works that applies heavily to mafia. People will remember "The possibility of a Serial Killer is stupid and shouldn't be considered" the exact same as "The possibility of a Serial Killer should be considered."
Pesco's point was also that it doesn't matter if you say something is stupid. There was a study done about how memory works that applies heavily to mafia. People will remember "The possibility of a Serial Killer is stupid and shouldn't be considered" the exact same as "The possibility of a Serial Killer should be considered."I haven't read the study in question and wouldn't know what you're talking about, so I'm not sure what you expect.
I'm reading DtB for Serela scum meta and I've decided I can't read him for crapIt's probably best to stick to games past me getting an extended mafia break (aka got Lynched) if you're trying to get meta on me. But even without that, DtB is like the worst game I've played as scum by a whooole lot.
Voting you because people's imaginations are dangerous things as seen in Zombie Apoc.Trying Too Hard leads to Bad Results. Example:Me yesterday :D (D1 in general is bad for me but this is like a new record! I'm bad at getting scum reads d1.) I'm better now though. This post I'm about to make should actually be coherent -and- relevant at the same time.
Because, for whatever reason, it only seems that town!Serela plays that badly. :/Yeah, I tend to care more about how bad I'm making myself look when I'm actually not town :V The town-me has somehow managed to mostly let go of this though. Which probably isn't a good thing, but!
You started this whole SK speculation thing. It's quite scummy of you to vote him for your own slip.This has no implication that you made him join the SK speculation club. Because, to be frank, you didn't.
It would be nice to get a final decision from Shadoweh before this day ends.This is not a thing that is going to happen for obvious reasons.
For everyone: If you hadn't noticed, I don't really have any strong scum reads yet. If a magic fairy dropped a vig on your lap and you could kill someone with impunity right now, who would it be?I thought about this some more.
(besides maybe PX, you should probably get involved more!)I don't feel like saying what I feel about everybody except for those I think are scum and a few others. No point in saying X-Z is town.
FINE, SHADOWEH! I DIDN'T WANT TO SURVIVE TO NIGHT 1 ANYWAY
Geez, calm down, it's not like you're the only one I feel should be shot.
Following a Serela scumflip, I'd shoot rawr, or maybe BT since he tied up the wagons.OK reading back I really don't like this. And not
┐(-｡ｰ; )┌ Then what's this?Because I didn't, as in because I still didn't really like Shadoweh at that point. I mean, I don't like lurkers, do I?
I didn't really think he was bad until after I realized Shadoweh was obvtown, which happened about the same time I went to sleep.
Or we could just lynch you because you're playing Serial Killer (or even scum nightvig) instead of town. I think that would solve everybody's problems right now.I can see someone being able to find scum intent in this phrase, but it sounds like a joke (Albeit, the parentheses take the joke a bit too far into serious thought zone). I'm dissapointed that it continues, but at least he clears up that Shadoweh is probably town in 276.
Also, all it takes is a single, and as-of-yet-unproved, claim for someone to become obvtown to you, Serela?She crumbed it all over the place to the point where sometimes I was wondering if she really did have one. When I thought about it I realized this would be horrendously dumb as SK (unless you really want to only NK once before the end of the game) and additional NK as scum is fairly rare (Plus as someone pointed out, no town vig as counter) plus quite a thing to crumb as scum since then you have to target someone whom you can justify to the town in addition to other reasons.
The fact that he's replacing out because he kept being restricted from trying to play mafia or whatever makes his slot redeemable because if he wasn't-able/didn't-try to properly play mafia then it's not too surprising if his posts were bad.
But his slot is still really bad. We'll see how Zak does in it, though.
(If you really want I could comb through earlier posts and compile a list of these)And, mayhaps, could thy Dormio inquire so as to why thou hast not done this earlier?
And, mayhaps, could thy Dormio inquire so as to why thou hast not done this earlier?No offense but if you looked at the posts you'd see that I already have, just not super recently because I don't copy-paste a list of my reads on everyone into each post, and neither does anyone else :V
What are you talking about? He was posting just like last game, tunnelvision vote and all! It lends to why I have no faith in his lynch.Last game he was much more engaged in the game at least. He was trying hard!
In the end, regarding Serela's Zak/Dormio thing, I just don't see why he would bother to switch to Dormio 10 minutes after voting Zak if he was scum; he could have easily just waited until page 11 or so to go 'oh, since no one is listening to my Zakeri case, I guess I have to go not me over me,'. It gives the impression that something townie must be going on in that head of his to make such an attention-grabbing decision, and his explanations sort of affirmed that; and all this compared to the reasons for voting Dormio, which seem clear-cut to me.Well, with the Shadoweh wagon about to die, there was no real solid counterwagon to a scum!Serela at the time. Since I had mentioned considering voting Dormio at the time, I could see Serela switching to Dormio to create a Serela vs. Dormio situation and ensure that based on how chaotic town was today, they didn't randomly end up on a last-minute scumwagon. The Zak wagon didn't really appear to have much support at all at that point. Even without considering that, taking an offensive approach toward Dormio to push him as a counterwagon doesn't seem too unreasonable for a scum lynch target to do if they were under fire for not having conviction earlier in the day. It would provide an alternative to them and possibly cause reconsideration from the players voting over a lack of strong stances.
I don't see the apparent hypocrisy in Serela's vote for Dan due to the fact that everyone else was voting Dan for the same reason and that what Serela says about Dan in his above post is true.When Serela made his vote, PX and I were voting Dan because he was parking his vote on Serela while making observations on other players that he wasn't willing to commit to, not based on lack of scumhunting alone. The third vote, Shadoweh's, looked more like "you're not taking the game seriously" than "you're not scumhunting", though I guess the two could be considered interchangeable.
Huh what, what are your thoughts on Dormio?I've had trouble maintaining a consistent opinion on him throughout the day.
How would your vote on Conq be persecuting my PX vote?I think the point is that it's obviously not this.
##Vote PX
Not liking PX anymore now that we have Serela's flip.
I'm saving my comments until later. For now I'll say pure wagon analysis leads me to
##Vote Conqueror
And see where it goes from there.
I did mean VCA.
I'm not sure what my case is yet. It's part gut, part little things like Conq asking Dormio if he has something against PX after Dormio just made a post with serious questions about PX. I don't actually find fault with your case on PX. Conq promised content later so I'll wait to see what he says next.
I suddenly feel like voting for Dormio
Never liked his jump on the wagon, and he started focusing on Shadoweh immediately afterward. And his pushing for Shadoweh after the claim... Pushing her as an SK definitely feels like a scum move. Not to mention when I rolled Town Vig way back the scum tried to push me as SK :\
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##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio
Serela L-3, Dormio L-1
>_> IDK WHICH ONE?! Anyways, off to do some school business, be back sooooooooooooooon (hopefully)
You could try to convince me <_<
I'm currently debating which one I will vote for >_> I've read Affinity's case on Dormio's and your case on NeoSerela
You're doing that thing again where you tell people to do stuff and then vote them for it (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774084.html#msg774084). I still think it's scummy that you do this.Part of my case on PX originates from actions before that happened, and even in regards to his approach to the end dual wagons that I felt was scummy, I don't think it was really caused by me trying to convince him to vote Serela. Had he bothered to post some sort of thought process regarding Serela vs Dormio beyond "hey Dormio is lookin' townie on meta" at the time, he wouldn't be quite as bad today. I don't think I'm voting him for complying with me.
I'm not sure what my case is yet. It's part gut, part little things like Conq asking Dormio if he has something against PX after Dormio just made a post with serious questions about PX.I looked back, and this sounds like a misrep of what happened. Out of curiousity, are you talking about this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772723.html#msg772723)post or this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772735.html#msg772735)post?
I looked back, and this sounds like a misrep of what happened. Out of curiousity, are you talking about this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772723.html#msg772723)post or this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772735.html#msg772735)post?The first one.
If Dormio is scum, then his buddies probably thought they could save him even when he was very close to being lynched, given that he claimed Vanilla at a time where it looked like he was in a lot more danger than Serela (while scum could have tried to out a PR). I'm leaning town on him as a result of this, which means that I'm leaning town / town on yesterday's wagons as well.HW's cases have all made perfect sense to me, and none of them have relied on gut, have they? HW's cases are all founded on logic without many assumptions, relying more in solid information and things that can be proved. Which is why the above statement kind of bothers me.
BT, Scum!What could easily have thrown out comments about who to kill in the case of Serela!scum if he knew it wouldn't happen and the targets wouldn't be considered valid. Why would he get in trouble for something impossible?He would get in trouble for nomming vigshots, before Serela flipped. And he indeed has. So, yes, Scum!What knew that Serela was town so he knew that the targets weren't going anywhere. Then what's the point in naming them to begin with? It only serves to possibly get you in trouble and is useless otherwise. Unless HW is UncarefulRamblingScum!What (does this fit his meta?), this is illogical. On the other hand, Town!What doesn't know whether or not Serela is scum, so he makes the comment because it seems like a useful comment.
If Dormio is scum, then his buddies probably thought they could save him even when he was very close to being lynched, given that he claimed Vanilla at a time where it looked like he was in a lot more danger than Serela (while scum could have tried to out a PR). I'm leaning town on him as a result of this, which means that I'm leaning town / town on yesterday's wagons as well, which seems to clear Dormio based on the idea that his scumbuddies thought they could and succesfully did save him, were he scum. This makes no sense to me.
@mod: Do scum have access to daytalk?Not answering this question.
You voted Dormio midway through D1 and then make little mention of him again thereafter.I can find little posts of mine in the game that have not mentioned Dormio.
You don't push the case to define your stance.What are #333, #334, #341, #34 and #368 then? What am I doing now, then?
You don't make it known that you suspect anyone else or are even looking at other people.Each and every one of my bigger posts contain everything that bugs me in the game. If it doesn't show up, it doesn't bother me. I've commented on other people's actions before and am doing so right now.
What are #333, #334, #341, #34 and #368 then? What am I doing now, then?
Each and every one of my bigger posts contain everything that bugs me in the game. If it doesn't show up, it doesn't bother me. I've commented on other people's actions before and am doing so right now.
#333 to #342 you were talking to HW and not about why your case is valid.I was talking to HW about how the point he was dismissing (which is a point in my case) is valid.
Who was #368 even directed at?Dormio. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774066.html#msg774066)
What you're doing now is being defensive of your vote without explaining to anyone why your vote is the right one.That's because what you're doing now is questioning my vote and not why it is the right one. I've already done the analysis that is meant to convince players of the case, I will not repeat it. I've also expressed my opinion on why PX or HW are not the right vote.
@Conq: My thoughts haven't changed from what I said in #293.Dormio, what happened to this? Your Huh what case is paranoia. Do you find anything scummy about him if you ignore the suspicion of daytalk? Naming vig targets after being asked for them isn't something I would hold scummy alone. Do you disagree with his choices?
Dormio: Dormio
Townie: HW, PX, Pesco. Bardiche
Unsure about: Zakeri, Trickysticks, DrRawr
Paranoid about: Shadoweh
Dislike: BT, Serela, Conq
Who?: Trickysticks
Also yet again why didnt you just kill me at night, you thought i was scum, you kept asking for rawr wagon. What stopped you?
You would make an excellent vig shot, but I would feel terrible if you were actually town and I removed you so early on my judgement alone.I haven't said anything about you setting a trap for me. You said you would pursue me further if there was no kill. For no discernable reason, you vote PX and say that's all you've got. You forgot about your own suspicion. In my opinion it's because you don't actually have any and you're scum trying hard to fake townie flailing.
You then decide not to shoot off anyone, even though its the only thing keeping you from being voted fro.I'm fairly sure actively pursuing my targets would keep me from being voted too, looking at the allegations. Do explain why my not shooting makes me scum if shooting would have made everyone happy.
day2 start you do the exact same thing as day1 except this time you have a different excuse.This is Conqueror's point, and one I disagree with. I've been playing today much differently. Everything you have ever said has been regurgitated from posts around you. People who have no opinions of their own are scum.
..This actually leads me to an unrelated question. Huh what, if you thought Rawr was transparantly town why did you want me to kill him anyways?I usually reconsider what I believe the intent of my town reads to be following a scum flip. Rawr would have looked pretty terrible if Serela turned up scum.
Dormio, what happened to this? Your Huh what case is paranoia. Do you find anything scummy about him if you ignore the suspicion of daytalk? Naming vig targets after being asked for them isn't something I would hold scummy alone. Do you disagree with his choices?It may be paranoia, perhaps the assumption feels bigger to me because in the two games that I've been scum (Vanilla, Magical Madness), there was no daytalk. I dunno, for some reason the whole assumption of daytalk really seems off to me. Like, really really off.
@bardiche againA vig is a terrible thing to waste. I only have one of them. I'm not going to throw it out uselessly on a dead man just to make people happy with me, I might as well be scum. What's with your obsession with Tricksysticks anyways, do YOU think he's scum?
Im trying to understand why she didnt kill anyone. She claimed town vig when 5 votes on her, this caused everyone to get off shadoweh wagon. When time comes to prove youre town vig no kill, it was shadowehs only way of proving town vig. That time has passed i see no kill, thus i think shadoweh is lieing about being town vig. If shadoweh was worried about killing someone town, shadoweh could have killed trickysticks, who was gonna be mod killed anyways, so why not just prove town vig on someone thats gonna die anyways.
(Helepolis read bullshit faster)Suck my Gungnir.
Where was the Night Kill?
#163 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773246.html#msg773246) Why do you question Dan suddenly what he thinks of Serela? Just because you dislike his wagon? Or was it because he was obviously being replaced and he had to post something "Townish" before he was gone.Because he was pushing Serela as scum, but only with associative tells that weren't based on flips. I wanted to know if he had further reasoning at that point, since he had expressed conviction against Serela a lot before replacing out. There shouldn't even be anything wrong with asking another playing for opinions, and it's baffling to me that you're trying to turn this into a reason to attack me.
Clarifying, I feel there is more chances of Dormio flipping scum than NeoSerelaso I didn't forget about my Serela stance completely :\
Right now I'm watching a franchise-disabled hedgehog's friends get sucked into time rifts and die repeatedly while the player curses in the background, but I'll happily write something more detailed later.I was playing that during D1 so :T
This is a carbon copy of the scum-indecision posts I made when choosing between town/town wagons in the first Moriya Shrine.>_<
I mentioned in #170 that PX's vote for Dan also looked bad.Huh, how did I miss that? It was as simple as choosing which one was more likely to be scum: The one claiming to not partake in the discussion, or the one trying to look like he's in the discussion.
My case is for PX to defend himself againstI call bullshit, because how do I defend against this?
This looks like a horrible vote to put someone on L-1.
Out of all of PX's shortcomings which huhwhat and pesco have more or less said, I am the least happy with his consistent failure to justify a vote between two choices (such as Shadoweh and Dan, Serela and Dormio), and I would like an explanation on the later case as to how Dormio's accusation of Shadoweh being SK is worse than Serela going for the easy lynches. Furthermore, the fact that he jumped on every significant wagon other than Shadoweh's through the sole means of parroting what is wrong with that person seems pretty bad and feels like coasting.
Ayayayayayayayaya
In the mean time, could you make a tumblr summary (perhaps with pictures) of why rawr is scum
How the hell am I supposed to respond to this? I haven't seen that game, I never even heard of mafia when that game happened, and I can't even see the game in the archives.
Huh, how did I miss that? It was as simple as choosing which one was more likely to be scum: The one claiming to not partake in the discussion, or the one trying to look like he's in the discussion.
I call bullshit, because how do I defend against this?
A Townie can't doubt his reads with an imposing deadline?
Generations isn't that curse-worthy until you accidentally fall into the very first pit in the level by being an idiot and timing your homing attack wrong, which has happened to me on Modern Crisis City on at least five separate occasions.Only five? I do it at least fourteen times every time I try to speedrun it. Then again, I never use homing attack because it breaks up speedruns.
Because he was pushing Serela as scum, but only with associative tells that weren't based on flips. I wanted to know if he had further reasoning at that point, since he had expressed conviction against Serela a lot before replacing out. There shouldn't even be anything wrong with asking another playing for opinions, and it's baffling to me that you're trying to turn this into a reason to attack me.
Less Bunbunmaru-spam pls.Ayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayaya
(If the situations were reversed you would vote me for using AtE :V)
Why they both gotta claim to be vanilla townies :(. Of the 2 i think dormio has less confusing posts and my previous case on him is null, blah blah blah here and see what happens. I just want this day over just so i can get rereads on everyone.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
Seems like no one wants to swap and im the only who has no reason to vote for either of them
Mmmmmm cant say if i know this counts as being scummy but px's vote on dormio, he wasnt even 100% with himself, if i recall he said "you could try convincing me" which i guess could mean he was planning to switch from the start.This looks incredibly hypocritical given your stance on the wagons. You're voting PX for not being sure of Dormio scum...when you state that you yourself weren't really sure of their scumminess and in fact swapped between the two wagons with little reasoning. The vote on PX today looks like a blatant wagon hop when he hasn't mentioned PX before and drops mention of everything else from D1, and I would expect rawr as town to draw a parallel between his and PX's voting patterns at the end of the day. Also, what's wrong with them both wagonees yesterday claiming vanilla townie?
##Vote: px
Its all i got for right now, will try to read more, kinda hard now though....
Dormio's finally moved on and started giving a bigger picture. Guess my vote served its purpose. ##Unvote. I still want your opinion on other peeps at the given moment, though, especially on Conq who you kind of forgot about.Like, you know, he's saying that his vote was basically there to prod me. What makes it worse is that he failed to vote for anyone else at the time.
I find it hard to believe a thought resembling "wait, I'm town, why am I doing this" did not cross your mind for the three or so hours you were pushing for that lynch.Oh yeah. This thing. Why would that thought run cross my mind? This statement feels really bad to me.
That's because what you're doing now is questioning my vote and not why it is the right one. I've already done the analysis that is meant to convince players of the case, I will not repeat it. I've also expressed my opinion on why PX or HW are not the right vote.Hey, you're town. Why are you doing this? :V
I-I'm only 17!I didn't realize that we were still in 2001. :V
Honestly, the main reason why I'm not just voting BT is because of PX's softclaim.Oh. Shit. He did do that, didn't he?
I will say that BT is confirmed townYeah, quoting here for reference. I don't know what the nature of this "confirmation" is but PX can choose to elaborate on it if he wishes. It's one point against a BT lynch though so eh.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dr. Rawr
Hi, did you forget about me? If you were town I would expect you to be raging at me right now for failing to prove myself like you were yesterday. Your forgetting about your rage tunnel is suspicious to me. You don't even mention me in your post, the hell is that?
##unvote
##vote:shadoweh
I said i would vote you if you didnt kill anyone the night. start of day 2 seems your way of scum hunting hasnt changed either. Youre right, i dont think someone who is town should go about things in an obtuse way. Also as bardiche said why the sudden change on pesco? Also was i not good enough of shot?
Just to answer your question in general. Proving myself isn't as important to me as shooting right. It would be an insult to my pride to hit town.
It's not because he's voting me. I voted him first, Bardiche. I'm voting him because the argument that he's just being a newbie doesn't jive with how he forgot his legitimate concern with me, a concern that was actually made true, until after I reminded him of it.
I didn't shoot Conqueror for much the same reason you aren't immediately sheeping to my case, I'm not entirely convinced and want to see more from him to influence my decision. I said I was waiting for his response. You can see he hasn't spoken yet. He's not the only one I have my eye on. Alot of people look really town this game and it's throwing me off. :|
His (Pesco) suspicions mirror mine, be they right or wrong. Townies think alike.
Im not buying any of this, you declare me and pesco scum for a good part of day1.
What. You then decide not to shoot off anyone, even though its the only thing keeping you from being voted fro.
I initially voted Serela for lack of scumhunting, especially for the post before my post. Which is the same as your reason for voting him, so I take it your grounds for lynching Serela could also be Policy Lynching when you made the vote?
##Vote: huhwhat
^ Probably gonna change after some more catching up
Also would you guys kindly stop misrepping me on the PX case? His end-of-day conduct is scummy because he didn't show us his work and the way he made his choice looks feigned as a result due to no real thought process. He would still be scummy if he had been voting Dormio at the end of the day (assuming Dormio flipped town, or Serela got lynched). Seriously ??? people.
Helepolis, even if your premises were true, why is huhwhat scummy for dropping a wagon he started (Dan) in favour of starting another wagon on a guy who flipped town (Serela), when the first wagon garnered a fair amount of attention? Are you implying that Dan and huhwhat are somehow scum together?
Continued accusations of not scumhunting are trite. I have scum right in my sights that the rest of you won't bother to look at. That suspicion (read: blinding true fact) that he hasn't talked about anyone else is true. When he hammered the town wagon he didn't talk about why Serela was scummy. When he voted PX it was pretty much 'just because'. He hasn't said a thing about anyone else. The things he has said are just carbon copies of everyone else. There is no trickery here. He's not scumhunting. He's not doing anything. Because he's flailing scum.
Keeping my vote on Dormio, I honestly do not find anyone scummier.
his D2 position of sitting on his Dormio vote without bothering to ask any questions or even consider his huhwhat case reeks of passive scumhunting and waiting for things to happen (he says Conq is 'hugely null', which he apparently doesn't dislike enough to question him about his opinions). Not liking his attitude right now, and this is something to keep note of if he continues to make a nest of his Dormio vote.His stuff on HW were just... there. It's not a terrible case but it's not convincing either. All I'm seeing is a collection of minor comments on faults in his play. And as Dormio proves later, he wasn't planning on staying with this case for long anyway.
BT: Who is the ~*~Dormio Defense Force~*~ and which ones of them do you think switched votes for nefarious purposes?Ah, yup. Initially my gut was giving me a sensation of "welp, people are changing the lynch to serela, scum are involved somewhere", but with both you and HW being town reads, the only one left is, uh, Conq.
Like, you know, he's saying that his vote was basically there to prod me.
Case was mainly a prod to make him be more productive.Mainly a prod. Not entirely a prod. The main thing behind my case is that you weren't productive, and a prod would assumably make you.. you know, more productive? Of course, this didn't happen, which is why my case stands.
Read- PX: He's pissed off town. Will not vote this in a million years today.I'm not seeing the pissed off part or the town part. Explain?
I want to direct you to PX's post 228 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773513.html#msg773513) however. He accused Serela of "having no intention of scumhunting." Considering that you later clarified (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773601.html#msg773601) that Serela's inability to scumhunt is a large part in your reasoning, I'd like to know if any of this changes your case on PX and how.My points against Serela not scumhunting were mainly confined to his actions around the time he voted Dan, since it looked like hypocrisy in that he was trying to vote somebody for something he was doing worse. It doesn't particularly change my opinion.
even your so called "Summary of your vote" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774194.html#msg774194) tells us absolutely nothing why you found Serela scummy at that time.Why, because I gave reasons why I thought Serela was scum that didn't consist of reporting his posts and calling them terrible? You're still not reading my posts, that or you're expecting me to place a huge "AND THIS IS SCUMMY" at the end of every point I make. You also seem to fail to take into account that townies can change their opinions. I explained why I figured my Dormio case was probably invalid multiple times, which explains the switch back to Serela.
huh what, who are your other choices for scum aside from PX?Helepolis isn't making Tricky look any better by chasing me over weird misinterpretations that seemingly don't attempt to understand my PoV (which I guess is probably karma for my D1 interactions with you), and I feel like I could get behind sheeping a rawr wagon but I haven't actually done any original research or ISOing because my zeal for this game has been lost recently. I don't expect to find him worse than PX given my previous opinions of him.
You're saying PX was in a catch-22?Not really, it's just that who he voted didn't matter as much as how he did it. He'd look a lot better today had he made his thought process more apparent by explaining in detail why he thought Person A was worse than Person B instead of just saying "oh Dormio is town because meta I guess".
Voting:...I'm wondering how the hell we're going to consolidate at the end of today. Everybody has seemed rather single-minded today, myself included.
PX (3): Huh What, Pesco, Affinity
Huh What (3): Helepolis, PX, Zakeri
Dormio (2): BT, Bardiche
nurse rawr (2): Shadoweh, Conq
Shadoweh (1): nurse rawr
BT (1): Dormio
Not Voting:
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline for day 2 is in ~33 hours Watch timer here (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=Day+2+Timer&month=1&day=16&year=2012&hour=20&min30&sec=0&p0=782)
I've been ill today so I haven't had much mood to go MAFIERS, but I see Dormio's latest vote and half of it seems to just be reporting what BT's doing with no explanation why he is scum. All Dormio's cases feel half-arsed, like he had to make something up. I honestly don't see why Dormio is Town and would enjoy it if someone told me.Remind me of your case on Dormio. What you're doing seems to be reporting what Dormio is going without any explanation why he is scum. I honestly don't understand why Dormio is scum and would enjoy it if someone told me. Snap!
Swinging between Dormio reads on several occasions. In #296, Dormio is town. In #406 , Dormio is scummy. Meanwhile, the Serela vote takes priority for awkward reasons (in #364).I took the liberty of quoting the posts you're referring to so other people can see what you're talking about.
I don't think Dormio is scummy. I'll take the blame for not answering Dormio earlier because I was busy, and it seems like a lot of the Dormio hate is centered around him harping about me in my absence. I dunno, Dormio reads more lazy to me than scum. I don't find anything wrong with his switching to Shadoweh when she was actually a legitimate wagon.#406
Also iirc Dormio's vote on Shadoweh was telegraphed beforehand so I don't put much stock into that.#364
What I might want to lynch Dormio for is the vote switch to Serela since he barely said anything about him before the switch and he looks about as convinced of his vote as Serela on Dormio. -.- DORMIO WHY CAN'T YOU POST LIKE LAST GAME
I'm gonna need a votecount first.No swing. I had Dormio at null leaning town at the end of yesterday and Serela at null. I was debating switching to Dormio because of the way he voted for Serela, but ended up not doing it. I can't read Serela, while Dormio has a history of producing content and being more readable for me, so I lynched Serela.
I haven't really thought of Dormio as scum today.
Serela is an unknown for me, and his latest post on Dormio looks like he made a conclusion first and then stretched to reach it. I'd lynch him over Dormio.
His only mentions of me is that I am being forgettable and that he did not parse my case, which I proceeded to explain for him.This is because you were and are largely forgettable and like I said, I still don't understand your Dormio case. Reading along, it looks like you're making a conclusion that Dormio is scum and then fitting all his posts to that conclusion.
And then, in #534 and #535, suddenly: scum. And from what I see as pure parroting, too. This is... what? How do you call cheerleading a wagon that hasn't started yet? Or is that just how wagons start?
What happened to your other reads? Why am I your scumpick and why is the PX soft-claim holding your vote back?Other than my claimed suspicions, I'm also looking at Bard for holding on to his Dormio case for suspicious reasons, and huh what because of gut. Helepolis nmi.
Conq going all OMGRAEG because Shadoweh called him scum is retarded. We're not in kindergarten here people.I'm sowwy. :ohdear:
there was a wiki for this ???Yeah, lots of merit there. I especially like how there's no words about Dormio. It took me awhile to find his case on Dormio from Page 3 (that he isn't making case on other people after a post where he brings up grivances with Conq). He admitted that he doesn't remember this case and that he's just sheeping. It lasted exactly until Serela was more popular, and then suddenly Dormio's posts are 'less confusing' then someone he hasn't mentioned all day. He wanted to end the day early to get rereads on people. Do you think he read anyone overnight?
Also i said id write more later and its not later enough for me yet. I could just wait till day 2 to see what happens also....
Bardiche and Affinity are cool, everyone thinks there town
##Vote: Dormio
a vote on Serela which he initially states that he is not happy with.I don't really recall saying this, refresh my memory?
And then there's this case on me which looks like a stockpile of accusations with some of them not even making sense.Um, okay. Care to explain what doesn't make sense?
PX, it's been more then enough time for you to catchup, I want to see what you have besides defense. If your softclaim is valid you really have nothing to fear and should be hunting instead of refuting bad cases.
Dormyon, as much as I do enjoy your case, I don't think you're going to get anything on BT today.I don't particularly feel like voting for PX or HW, so if it comes to it, I might. Until tomorrow though, I'd prefer to be voting for BT. :D
We're at 21 hours to lynch from here, it's about that consolidation time. Come vote for newbscum.
Regarding BT: While I was okay with his D1 conduct (especially regarding justifying his Dormio vote over Serela's), it's pretty appalling to learn on reread that BT's useful content amounts to nothing but 'Dormio is scum because he accused Shadoweh as an SK and dissing my first case on him' and nothing else. Almost everything else he has said is of personal effect (e.g I don't see why PX is the right lynch, I don't think huhwhat is scum), opinions which do not affect the game at all other than the placement of his vote, and his D2 position of sitting on his Dormio vote without bothering to ask any questions or even consider his huhwhat case reeks of passive scumhunting and waiting for things to happen (he says Conq is 'hugely null', which he apparently doesn't dislike enough to question him about his opinions). Not liking his attitude right now, and this is something to keep note of if he continues to make a nest of his Dormio vote.
However, my main point about BT sitting on his Dormio vote and doing little else that is meaningful still stands, given that the above post has lost its validity with the passage of time and Dormio's case on huhwhat, which I feel that he has to at least comment on.
As tenuous as I feel BT's position is, I think he has defended himself rather decently and that Dormio and Conq are not giving enough credit on his Dormio case from yesterday. They don't seem to realize that he was the first to raise the point where Dormio was sitting on his Conq vote here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773002.html#msg773002), for instance, which people like Conq apparently accepted when it came from my mouth here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774161.html#msg774161). Yes, the vote-sit is still rather bad, but BT's case on Dormio, when taken by itself, is far from as bad as Conq and Dormio say, and I'm wary of them pushing this as a main point in their cases.What's with the sudden change in tone? I don't really care about who brought up the Dormio voteparking on Conq point first because I don't think it's a valid point, though it could possibly have done for a Day 1 lynch (the context of the post you linked). The case against BT is again, mostly for the lack of anything else he's done. This really reads like a half-assed defense when you were attacking him only a few posts earlier.
px: start of day1 he was looking abit eh by not posting any cases or was fence sitting his votes. did the same thing with his dormio/serela vote also. It could have been because he wasnt 100% with either wagon but for some reason it just doesnt look great to me. start of day2 px defends himself and is a pretty cool guy, cant say that makes him look any better because hes fence sitting on huh what... gotta quit saying "may change" or "you could try convincing me" :XAre you leaning town or scum on these people? I can't find an opinion on alignment in this post.
helepolis: ill need to read him, so i got not to much
zak: when did shadoweh ever scum hunt?i no can find. besides that i cant really tell if hes scum or town.
dormio: walp, start of day hes on the defence im pretty sure this is because of his voice recognition or what ever he was using. later i dont like how hes so lazy and keeps mentioning it :V. He says he thinks shadoweh COULD be sk i dont think this should be held as a reason to vote for him though. but seeing today his attitude i have no real idea
conq: i need to read more =/
I don't particularly feel like voting for PX or HW, so if it comes to it, I might. Until tomorrow though, I'd prefer to be voting for BT. :D-.- Does it look like I think they're scum? Come vote for Rawr!
I decided i hate my phone so...
##Vote: Dormio
reason previously, hes been subtle bandwagoning and not bring up any actual new cases against anyone. I cant seem to find why bring up those first 2 votes on you so much when i dont even think their relevant at all. You use the word dislike but that seems to apply to anyone who has been put up, like huh what conq and action dan.
You also seem to fail to take into account that townies can change their opinions. I explained why I figured my Dormio case was probably invalid multiple times, which explains the switch back to Serela.
You request Dormio Lynch and Serela vig (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773741.html#msg773741). If you requested a Dormio lynch, why the fuck are you swapping to Serela wagon when Dormio hitted L-1 with Pesco's vote right above you. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774002.html#msg774002)
You opportunistic or planned left the Dormio wagon to increase Serela wagon and therefore blown your own words. This is scummy behaviour.
Not wiling to lynch huhwhat at all today. The cases against him seem baffling at best, given that he has probably scumhunted one of the most in the game so far,Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Not much to say as this point, except that PX should elaborate why exactly huhwhat is scummy and make a case at least, especially since two days have passed.Why are you so defensive about Huw What?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773741.html#msg773741 <-- Your vote on dormio
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774002.html#msg774002 <-- Your vote switch to Serela
Conq's post prompted me to look back through the thread for a Dormio post saying he liked Serela, and instead I found that Dormio did refer to the Serela post before switching recently. Missed it the first time.
I think that clears up some qualms about him that I mentioned in the last post - however, I'd like Conq to link to the "town read" Dormio had on Serela, if possible. Would be interested in looking into it myself, and I can't find the post.
I re-read the past few pages after considering what Pesco said and I'm now thinking Dormio is a derp who was just saying whatever came to his mind. I hadn't considered the possibility of him taking what I said and running with it, since I went out of my way to say I thought the speculation would be stupid. I didn't think people would push the SK issue seriously. Serela switch looks less bad since he apparently did telegraph it in his #261, though the comment was rather negligible and difficult to find.
If what Pesco and Shadoweh said is correct then I can't really blame Dormio for what he was doing. As a result, I think Serela is scummier than Dormio is at this point.
You are still not explaining to us WHY you disliked Dan-wagon in D1. Start talking.
I'm starting to question my Dan read. The way we went from 4 votes on me + a few non-voters looking at me to 5 votes on Dan + a few non-voters looking at him over the span of less than 24 hours is disconcerting. Given that all the players at the end of the wagon have been the players who were "late" today, I worry the scenario was being taken advantage of.
I think his reaction to the votes on him leans more on the side of "silly townie". I would have expected a scum!Dan to panic and jump on my wagon, or at the very least ditch the Serela vote and vote on what he thought was a stronger case to keep people away. He should definitely comment on whether or not he thinks Serela's latest content is scummy, though.
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Your explanation on why you broke the Dan wagon sounds some what acceptable.
However, doesn't clear you from your opportunistic jumping to endanger wagon. Taking advantages? You keep basing your vote on what other people said. "Conq said..." "Pesco said..." "Shadoweh said..." See the pattern here?
You had no case of your OWN on Serela. You never had. And Affinity's very strangly defending you for this makes me feel sick inside.You're still not reading my posts and it's fucking annoying to deal with.I am reading them and they hurt my eyes.
< bunch of quotes I've seen 10000x already >Your explanation on why you broke the Dan wagon sounds some what acceptable.
You're still not reading my posts and it's fucking annoying to deal with.I am reading them and they hurt my eyes.
A rawr wagon was still viable before you switched you know. :<The responses of everyone else today leads me to the opposite conclusion.
However, doesn't clear you from your opportunistic jumping to endanger wagon. Taking advantages? You keep basing your vote on what other people said. "Conq said..." "Pesco said..." "Shadoweh said..." See the pattern here? You had no case of your OWN on Serela. You never had. And Affinity's very strangly defending you for this makes me feel sick inside.I was the first person to vote Serela seriously aside from Dan (whose attack was completely different from mine), and the person with the most comprehensive case on him from what I can remember.
Dormio, how are the things you find questionable about BT's case on you any different from what people have said D1? If they are not different, then why are you acting so strongly to them today?Well which people said what D1?
Scum don't like having to find new cases if theirs gets busted by a roleclaim.I think the finding new cases = :effort: thing might apply here. :V
Especially his sudden speech change is unnecessary noise and confusion.Suck my Gungnir.
Dormio, what do you think of non-BT?I'll get right on that.
--Town Townie ObvtownClarifying my town / null reads when they're not in danger would be a bunch of noise.
huhwhat
Shadoweh
-Leaning Town
Bard
Pesco
ActionDan -> Zak
-Neutral
DrRawr
Conqueror
Affinity
BT
-Wariness
Trickysticks -> Helepolis
-Scummy
PX
Quickpost: hw, why is Affinity neutral? I haven't heard a bad lick about him from you all game.I don't feel confident enough in him being town to put him any higher.
huh what -> I have a town and scum read on hw at the same time :VYou're the third person who has said that this game. Am I really that disconcerting?
You're the third person who has said that this game. Am I really that disconcerting?
#7X - I waffle on hw, which I'm still doing right now because I disagree with almost every case he's put up so far but I could see him being town nevertheless.There's why.
If Dormio is scum, then his buddies probably thought they could save him even when he was very close to being lynched, given that he claimed Vanilla at a time where it looked like he was in a lot more danger than Serela (while scum could have tried to out a PR). I'm leaning town on him as a result of this, which means that I'm leaning town / town on yesterday's wagons as well.The logic in this has already been pounded to the ground
Conq I hate you. I can't tell if there's a difference in those ISO's. Whatever he's more null to me then either huh what or Dormio. In this world of town everywhere null is the worst of the choices. Since NONE of you are interested in the SCUM wagon I will attempt this change of fate.
##Unvote THE SCUM
##Vote BT
Pesco: Go die. I vote for people I think are scum.
Even more curious is that the one wagon he supported but didn't join was the Shadoweh wagon, which was popular at the time he became suspicious of Shadoweh. Scum avoidance of associating themselves with a town wagon.
Stuff about Dan here.And? What did you think of Dan at the time then?
Serela was screaming Town all over, except he failed to deliver the msg and kept on blabbering bullshit 1v1 with Dormio suddenly when they were both on L-1.Did this mean that you felt that I was the better lynch? I believe that you were asked this, and you haven't responded.
Dormio, an example is that BT is voting you for vote-parking on Conq. I was voting you for vote-parking on Conq. You did not say anything against me yesterday and yet you rail against BT regarding this same reason. Why is this?
9-tailed bitchGo back to licking your spoiled mistress' feet. The slave of a brat has no right to be throwing around such words.
Regarding BT: While I was okay with his D1 conduct (especially regarding justifying his Dormio vote over Serela's), it's pretty appalling to learn on reread that BT's useful content amounts to nothing but 'Dormio is scum because he accused Shadoweh as an SK and dissing my first case on him' and nothing else. Almost everything else he has said is of personal effect (e.g I don't see why PX is the right lynch, I don't think huhwhat is scum), opinions which do not affect the game at all other than the placement of his vote, and his D2 position of sitting on his Dormio vote without bothering to ask any questions or even consider his huhwhat case reeks of passive scumhunting and waiting for things to happen (he says Conq is 'hugely null', which he apparently doesn't dislike enough to question him about his opinions). Not liking his attitude right now, and this is something to keep note of if he continues to make a nest of his Dormio vote.
Though I'm still not completely happy with BT, I'm still convinced enough by the strength of his Dormio case to not vote him if possible.What exactly happened for you to see his case to be strong now?
I noticed that I misrepped BT a bit in my previous post, since in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773381.html#msg773381) he did elaborate on Dormio being bad for far more than just bad behaviour (I really never noticed this).
I am wondering somewhere in my mind why Dormio didn't got NK'd when he survived the lynch. Would've been easy scoring for Scum. Somehow, that did not happen...
Then they would've shot someone else.Scum had better targets, and they did shoot someone else.
My points against Serela not scumhunting were mainly confined to his actions around the time he voted Dan, since it looked like hypocrisy in that he was trying to vote somebody for something he was doing worse. It doesn't particularly change my opinion.I understand there was a difference between your complete reasoning and what PX said in 228. The difference, as I see it is that PX Attacked Serela for "Not scumhunting." But you attacked Serela for "Saying someone else not-scumhunting is scummy, then not scum-hunting." Since the basis of both attacks were "Attacking Serela's Meta" as you say, then does the fact alone that Serela sounded like a Hypocrite make someone scummy enough to vote?
Also, that post of PX's looks more like it was attacking Serela's meta than attacking what he was doing in context of the game, if I'm interpreting it correctly. It doesn't appear to be the same as my reasons for voting Serela either way.
PX#2 leads to his profile page... I dont get it?
Scum had better targets, and they did shoot someone else.Who.
Helepolis: Do we even know who the NK was?You tell me.
Asking why scum chose not to kill so-and-so is a pointless discussion, even when they do end up killing someone.That is your opinion. FYI I am curious.
WAIT ZAKERI! BEFORE YOU LEAVE AGAIN... Why did you vote conq at the start of the day?
What made sense, Zakeri?In general, I was saying that I understand your case on PX. More bluntly, however, it's basically a gut-reaction to seeing a voteswitch to PX and matching it to my earlier observation that Voting PX would make more sense than Voting BT for today if you wanted to investigate that direction.
You tell me.Well, I checked the front page and sure enough, Serela's still the only dead. Can you at least tell me the practical application of this kind of information?
That is your opinion. FYI I am curious.
In particular, I find that it's entirely possible to read someone as Town and then as Scum later on, due to a re-read or hazardous actions later on. Therefore, it only provides a momentary picture,Good, so we both agree it has a possible useful function for Day 2.
Moreover, this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775993.html#msg775993) isn't a "list", that's just blanket-calling everyone in the game scummy, because either you're actively scummy or your "votes don't make up for cases" or are "useless noise".Then show me a "list".
Why the PX softclaim is holding my vote back should be self-explanatory. Are you asking me to vote for you despite PX declaring you "confirmed town?" Are you implying that you're scum and PX is wrong or are you just being obtuse?You think I'm scum. That's why you're pseudo-voting for me, isn't it? Which means you think PX's claim is false. Why are you stopping yourself from voting due to a claim that you don't believe in?
#547 looks to finally be the case on me.No? This post serves to explain why I still think you're scum.
I don't really recall saying this, refresh my memory?
I'm probably going to highly regret this and confirm everyone thinking of me as scum for this, but whatever.Zero motivation vote. You had enough time to pick a target you're actually fine with until D1 was over, but it seems you just went with Serela for being the next thing to have the possiblity of being lynched.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Secondly, the more productive thing. What is this?Productiveness is when you get town closer to identifying and lynching scum. Your cases weren't productive and you're not doing much else. Your early D1 was terribly counterproductive because you refused to produce content by insisting on getting answers from Shadweh/Conq that would amount to nothing in the first place and seemed like a bad excuse for not actually playing the game.
He's also stated that he'll keep his vote on me for as long as it takes for me to be lynched, which is a thing.What kind of horrible misrep is this? I said I'd lynch you so long as you are my main scumpick. Whether or not this will last for the rest of the game is your opinion, not a fact.
#534 and #535 is bad timing on my part but I haven't liked your content all game.No. Why do you expect me to believe this? You've said not one bad (or good) word on me the entire game up to #534. If my content bugged you, the least you could have done was graced the thread with a minor comment. You claim that my D1 case wasn't a cause for a lynch here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775889.html#msg775889), and unless you never commented on it for no reason whatsoever, I conclude that you thought it was fine. Which is it? Was my content bad all game and you're bad for never commenting on it? Or is your finding me scummy a new thing and something else was the cause for that?
@Helepolis: Why lists?Why not? It gives a quick and 'better' overview of thoughts at this current moment which can be tracked backward and forward (if days continue).
-People better read (as in, not skim through) my post.I read it. And decided:
Helepolis: Lists are pointless, and help scum because listing them just gives them an easier idea of who to NKOn what are you exactly basing this mind-set?
This PX lynch thing is looking alot like serela at the end of day1 ???
[list]
[li][/li]
[li][/li]
[/list]Give me one solid reason why you shouldn't list.
Lists provide a easy to see line of who you think is town. Which means you're giving the scum a list of people to NK because you're not willing to lynch them. You're making it easier for scum to choose who to NK because they need to read less
Because youre only talking about lists
Im pretty sure i am in a position to talk, i voted for who i think could be scum and reasons as to why. While you on the other hand dont explain your unvote on huh what, and continue to argue about lists. I dont really care why you want lists, but i do care about is who youre going to vote for and why.
Day1 px still bugs me abit more then the other choices, the fence sitting on almost everyone he votes for and letting people deciding for him. I cant really say much about zakeri, all i know is he voted conq for no explained reason.
Dormio >> Too bad he is sleeping.LIES AND SLANDER. What is sleep and shy should I care?
Here let me put it another way for everyone to understand.
Why would you track someone who's usage of their role is going to be outted to the town regardless of your result?
D2 Rawr sounds like to me a puppet. Especially his last posts major concern me, as if he got instructed to make a comment on my "lists" and how Bardiche is also "mirroring" it.
Bardiche, is there anything we should know?
Kiitan can't count so good and put huh what one vote ahead.
Bardiche: Have you read my Rawr is scum pamphlet? They're on sale on the rack. BT was in danger if you look at the votes at this point. PX and BT have the highest totals. Kiitan can't count so good and put huh what one vote ahead.
On Conq, I say I dislike this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775968.html#msg775968) for how much he seems to advocate lynching lurkers. Later on he mentions that if PX keeps lurking he's fine with lynching PX: this suggests simply lynching all lurkers over lynching all scum, and becomes objectionable on grounds of that alone.Lurking is an easy scum strategy. PX had no reason to be afraid to post if he was sitting on a PR and had a wagon on him to boot. He should have posted earlier instead of waiting until deadline for a wagon on him to solidify so he would be forced to claim.
Conq why are you quoting that? :ohdear:I'm asking if there is any useful information we should know since you keep on knocking our noggins with it. If not, that's fine.
I'm asking if there is any useful information we should know since you keep on knocking our noggins with it. If not, that's fine.
Tracking a claimed PR is still better than tracking an unknown. Double confirmation clears 2 players when it checks out. You'll understand it when you get better at this game. PX sheeping to a Keine decision is nothing new ::)Very funny. The thing is claiming to have tracked someone who everyone will know where they went wouldn't clear a tracker. It's what I would expect of a scum tracker claim.
Lies and slander.Kittens work fast. :o
Conq: You're worried about balance? O_o That's an even weirder softclaim.Yes, and even more with Bardiche's claim.
Looking bad: PX, Huh what
- PX, D1 doesn't explain or answers Pesco's posts
- PX, D1 no effort, no cases, nothing like HW opportunistic behaviour.
- PX, why does he escapes from Dormio wagon to overkill-lynch Serela wagon. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774238.html#msg774238) The wagon was already lynched. Why the fuck do you switch?
PX >> This has been said million times but I am sharing the same opinion. He has been very decisiveness end of D1 and asked other people who to vote. Though for me, this isn't instantly scummy. We have seen many decisiveness people in D1. Derp Town who is undecided could be as well in the same situation. It proves nothing. Him being pushed around solely on this seems opportunistic and blinding town. He claims tracker and seems to have tracked BT with no results.Helepolis, what changed?
But BT's post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776174.html#msg776174) makes some interesting comments on PX/HW. There seem to be indeed a subtle push to both of them, however, somehow I feel the HW push was weaker. Even with my mad-tunnelling on him, people were piling on PX.
I told you I was ill, and what do I return to? Conq declaring he wants to vote me. If being ill is scummy then lynch me now, I'm guilty! :V
Accusing me of reporting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775705.html#msg775705) is fine and all, but (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773566.html#msg773566) that (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773573.html#msg773573) doesn't (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773721.html#msg773721) jive (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774978.html#msg774978) with reality. I made abundantly clear what my reasons are for voting Dormio and why he is scummy, I believe. I similarly dislike his votepark on rawr and then proceeding to talk about how other people are scummy and need to be lynched.Bardiche, that doesn't answer the concern that all those links are from D1 and my main problem is that you were "holding on" to a D1 case and sitting on it (illness notwithstanding). But it's not relevant anymore.
Bard claiming bulletproof seemed obvious to me. I do expect you to have a good reason for out and out saying it. It sounds like you're building up to something.
Bardiche, that doesn't answer the concern that all those links are from D1 and my main problem is that you were "holding on" to a D1 case and sitting on it (illness notwithstanding). But it's not relevant anymore.
No? This post serves to explain why I still think you're scum.I was saying as in I thought it might have been something other than a rehashed D1 case.
Zero motivation vote. You had enough time to pick a target you're actually fine with until D1 was over, but it seems you just went with Serela for being the next thing to have the possiblity of being lynched.I did? Pretty sure that when I switched, there were less than 24 hours left, I was at risk of being lynched, and Serela was the only other wagon that I was okay with. Or was Serela the only other wagon? Oh, Serela was the only other wagon, I happened to be okay with it.
The Shadoweh vote was bandwagon-ish and bad.How was it bad?
The HW case was bad.It was a suspicion I had, and one I dropped on my reread. What of it?
The reason you're after me, like Affinity noted, is bad.Pretty sure that what Affinity was saying was that not the reason, per se, was bad but that I'm only after you when PX and Affinity did the same thing. Here's the thing about that though, PX has other content that makes me think he's town, and Affinity... I don't know. But I'm pretty sure they haven't been referring to the same case from D1 all throughout D2.
And now your case on Helepolis reminds me of Shadoweh's on Rawr. We can all see his less-than-stellar play.And what did you think of Shadoweh's case on Rawr?
Why did this just seem like a convenient way to show that you have some other content?If that's how you're reading it. Your opinion, not mine.
Productiveness is when you get town closer to identifying and lynching scum. Your cases weren't productive and you're not doing much else. Your early D1 was terribly counterproductive because you refused to produce content by insisting on getting answers from Shadweh/Conq that would amount to nothing in the first place and seemed like a bad excuse for not actually playing the game.What am I even supposed to say here? I wanted answers and was not getting them? Can I note how productive your early D1 was?
What kind of horrible misrep is this? I said I'd lynch you so long as you are my main scumpick. Whether or not this will last for the rest of the game is your opinion, not a fact.Right up until this post, it didn't really seem like you were going to change at all.
And, for some reason, you understand my case as "you were stuck on one vote so you're scum"? Of course I'm coming off as a huge hypocrite if this is true, which it isn't.Well, what is it then? From what I can gather, it currently appears to be:
I'm skimming over -opinions- and people are still insistent on Town!Dormio. ##Unvote Seriously, if this changes, I'll be back on my vote in record time.What brought this change of heart? You didn't seem to care about the other's opinions throughout the rest of D2. Was it because the end of day is approaching? If so, then why Conq, who similarly has no support for lynching?
What is sleep andPretty sure I'm awake.swhy should I care?
I think I updated that with relevant stuff per his D2 conduct. In fact the last link is from D2, where I say I dislike his case on HW as well and find it bad.Granted, and I had no problem with your vote at the time. My comment on you was made after Dormio had put out other stuff while you were still voting Dormio without commenting on the newer stuff.
You think I'm scum. That's why you're pseudo-voting for me, isn't it? Which means you think PX's claim is false. Why are you stopping yourself from voting due to a claim that you don't believe in?This is bull. Here, I'll say it; at the time, I thought that PX was softclaiming a cop innocent on you, which meant that you could have been either town or a mafia godfather. Then again, PX could have also been claiming something like friendly neighborizer (forget the name) which would have meant you were 100% town, which is why I was hesitant to vote you without more information. Then it looked like PX was going to be run up to claim anyway and Shadoweh jumped off of rawr so I voted you instead.
No? This post serves to explain why I still think you're scum. Zero motivation vote.
You had enough time to pick a target you're actually fine with until D1 was over, but it seems you just went with Serela for being the next thing to have the possiblity of being lynched.I was fine with lynching Trickysticks but no one wanted to go there. I was on a few other wagons before that (Shadoweh and huhwhat come to mind) that I wanted to see to lynch at the time. I didn't really like either the Serela or Dormio lynches, but I went for Serela because I can't read his fluff and Dormio was reading townier to me. If I had solid scum picks on D1 then I'd be like the god of mafia.
I haven't said anything about you setting a trap for me. You said you would pursue me further if there was no kill. For no discernable reason, you vote PX and say that's all you've got. You forgot about your own suspicion. In my opinion it's because you don't actually have any and you're scum trying hard to fake townie flailing.
I think Pesco is town because he's a jerk. More importantly I think he's town because he's reading the game and pursuing people instead of hanging back. His suspicions mirror mine, be they right or wrong. Townies think alike.
I'm fairly sure actively pursuing my targets would keep me from being voted too, looking at the allegations. Do explain why my not shooting makes me scum if shooting would have made everyone happy.This is Conqueror's point, and one I disagree with. I've been playing today much differently. Everything you have ever said has been regurgitated from posts around you. People who have no opinions of their own are scum.
In short form. Rawr has done nothing but post snippets from the posters around him. Note how he's continually ignored my simple request to go quote something I've said and give his own opinion on it, something he should be more then happy to do if he really believes I'm as bad as he's saying.. Also how he won't comment on his PX vote anymore. His case today can be summed up as 'Someone didn't die so you must be scum'. The case I gave him.
No. Why do you expect me to believe this? You've said not one bad (or good) word on me the entire game up to #534. If my content bugged you, the least you could have done was graced the thread with a minor comment. You claim that my D1 case wasn't a cause for a lynch here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775889.html#msg775889), and unless you never commented on it for no reason whatsoever, I conclude that you thought it was fine. Which is it? Was my content bad all game and you're bad for never commenting on it? Or is your finding me scummy a new thing and something else was the cause for that?I didn't like your case on Dormio D1 but I didn't think it was lynchworthy, so I didn't comment on it aside from poking you to post more (which I did). And yes, it's not the case itself that makes you scummy, but that fact that you're holding on to it like a man clinging to a rock in a flash flood and just shooting down everything else. I'm reading Dormio as more or less town right now, so I'm wary of people who seem to be stuck in a tunnel on him and calling him scum, scum, scum.
Im not gonna unvote and revote shadoweh everytime shadoweh votes. Anyways i also think im going to die tonight so why waste a lynch?Because cleansing with rope is the only way to be sure.
@huh whatThis is actually an interesting statement. Rawr, why would you have believed him earlier as opposed to now? What would that have changed about his claim to you?
I cant believe him, maybe if he had roll claimed ealier i would have probably believed him. Also i find it kinda eh on using keine to find who to track. But fact is he claiming in the last 3 hours after asked, i dont think my vote will move
Because i find it incredibly dumb for people to only claim right when they are about to be lynched? So far only exception to that is bardiche so far
I made it clear that I still want a Dormio flip on #456, which was quite early on in the day.
Still thinking Dormio is scummy, especially after ~Dormio defense force~ started swaying people to switch wagons for (initially) reasons completely unrelated to analysis.
I thought a re-read of PX would change my scumpick. It didn't. ##Vote DormioNo one questions you on this point. That's not the basis of the case.
When has "I don't like BT for his wanting Dormio flipped on D2 AS WELL AS D1 JESUS CHRIST"- and "I thought BT was bad all along"-Conq posted in the thread after my case? Here, #517.I couldn't read the thread/post before then. What's the point in this statement?
And, in more detail, #532 and #534. Where he goes from initially not mentioning me at all, to comparing me to Bardiche in how we're both sticking to our Dormio votes, and only then started expanding on why he thinks I'm bad. Why is this done in steps? Because Conq re-read me, possibly for the first time in the game, while doing this.You weren't the focus of my case, which is why I didn't put you in my first post. I compared you and Bardiche because your positions were similar. Bardiche had been generally more pro-active throughout the game, which is why you looked worse. And yes, that's when I started doing my reread of the game. Not the first time though.
He initially starts calling my case bad only because he's 'failed to understand it' and isn't convinced, and finally settled on "he's bad only for the reason that he's actually staying with the case" a day later.All three are true. I don't understand your case on Dormio, and I'm not convinced on it. After talking to Affinity, I can buy that that in itself isn't scummy, but you're still scummy for hunkering down in your Dormio is scum world and basically brushing off everything else. It reads like you've come to a conclusion already and are searching for evidence to validate yourself, instead of the other way around.
This is when Conq started getting interested in my lynch; when I was a relevant lynch target, when Affinity and Pesco had expressed dislike and Dormio made his huge misrep case.I generally like lynching relevant lynch targets, especially when I find them scummy and can agree with other people on their scumminess.
##Vote Conq
Also, I would not be doing this if not for a fact that plenty of people are unsure of their Conq reads and this lynch is perfectly possible.Conq looks lynchable, let's lynch him.
Because it's generally a better idea to not claim until you're under threat of death or late game, as people claiming early means you're giving the scum prime targets to kill.:derp: :derp: :derp:
Because i find it incredibly dumb for people to only claim right when they are about to be lynched? So far only exception to that is bardiche so farSo you think it would be a good idea if we all claimed right now for no reason? There is no other time a person should be claiming. Bardiche shouldn't have claimed either.
I'm reading Dormio as more or less town right now, so I'm wary of people who seem to be stuck in a tunnel on him and calling him scum, scum, scum.Tacitly admitting to chainsaw defence. Clearly. "I think Dormio is town, so people who tunnel on him and think him scum are scummy."
Geoffrey of the Crimean Royal Knights, tracked BT N1, no target
I am Titania, who is apparently a smoking hot red-head with an axe, and as a Town Vigilante I get to kill someone with it tonight. It has a pretty terrible durability though. This is why games with indestructable weapons are superior.
I am a simple TrackerSounds like:
Ah right.
I am Geoffrey, the commander of the Crimean Royal Knights, and I have my followers follow someone during the night to seek out any traitors.
I believe the claim given the crumb, but there is nobody with a feasible chance of getting wagonned who I want lynched today.
Fuck it.
##Unvote
##Vote Helepolis
Tricky's single post was very weak and looked like he was trying to drive people away with refuge in audacity. Helepolis has not made a lick of sense and started pushing for lists instead of hunting for scum. All of his other aggression is worthless given that he's been mudslinging and acting reportery instead of pushing legitimate points.
...
Cut by rawr. Nevermind.
##Unvote
##Vote rawr
Do you believe PX's claim or not? Who else would you lynch? This is pretty much exactly why I thought Dormio continuing to push Shadoweh on D1 was scummy.
Shadoweh, use your vig tonight.To clarify: I don't care if you might hit town. We need more flips.
Voting:
PX (2): Pesco, nurse rawr
Huh What (2): PX, Zakeri
Conq (3): BT, Bardiche, Affinity
##Vote AffinityI should vote you for this post to keep my game-exclusive meta going.
Affinity is obvscum for being on that wagon (dead serious)
@huhwhat: In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772851.html#msg772851), I was suspicious of PX's jump on Dan even though he raised the same points against Shadoweh, which was no foundation for anything more than a question at that time, I feel. What do you mean by 'slamming down a serious case'?The way you went about pressuring PX with questions (including in your response to his answer) came off more like you were using your vote to quiz him than propose him as a serious lynch target at the time, which looks like potential distancing given that the vote was pretty much forgotten after you switched off of him. It's something I could imagine one scum doing to capitalize on a buddy's minor mistake for distance while also getting them to publically shape up.
Not totally convinced over PX's Keine Tracker thing and the way he went about the claim. But conversely, I'm willing to wait and see for a night, regardless of flavor.If you were willing to unvote PX just for the tracker claim, why were you voting him when he had already softclaimed and he would inevitably be run up to claim?
Yeah, quoting here for reference. I don't know what the nature of this "confirmation" is but PX can choose to elaborate on it if he wishes. It's one point against a BT lynch though so eh.
Cut: I agree, but I don't know if I want to lynch against it. :V
I will say that BT is confirmed townYeah, quoting here for reference. I don't know what the nature of this "confirmation" is but PX can choose to elaborate on it if he wishes. It's one point against a BT lynch though so eh.
Cut: I agree, but I don't know if I want to lynch against it. :V
If you were willing to unvote PX just for the tracker claim, why were you voting him when he had already softclaimed and he would inevitably be run up to claim?
A full claim is much more concrete than a softclaim, which could mean anything. Also, he was not 'inevitably run up to claim' unless a sufficient number of people were on him in the first place.That's not what I mean. PX claimed an innocent result on someone, meaning he was probably claiming cop (really, what else could he be claiming? What did you think?). What's the point of voting him until he claims if you're just going to say uncritically, I believe it, and unvote him?
I thought a re-read of PX would change my scumpick. It didn't. ##Vote Dormio
Also, HW's case on PX is bad because you told him to vo-nah, just kidding :V.
I'll give your case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774708.html#msg774708) the benefit of a doubt. Your vote, if I'm reading right, is because PX was policy lynching NeoSerela, right? You mention his attempt to justify his vote in 245 (The total reasoning in this post is "Because Serela is Useless, and he might be intending to sheep onto a strong case"). I want to direct you to PX's post 228 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773513.html#msg773513) however. He accused Serela of "having no intention of scumhunting." Considering that you later clarified (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773601.html#msg773601) that Serela's inability to scumhunt is a large part in your reasoning, I'd like to know if any of this changes your case on PX and how.
Read- PX: He's pissed off town. Will not vote this in a million years today.
Mmm, I read PX in ISO, and ehhhhh. On the one hand he doesn't have much content to sift through but I don't see anything wrong with his end-of-day wagon conduct (I privately debated switching to Dormio at the end). The cases on him (especially huhwhat's, since the Serela case was never much more than being fluffy-lurky --> thus unreadable) seem pretty overblown. huh what, who are your other choices for scum aside from PX?
I don't particularly feel like voting for PX or HW, so if it comes to it, I might.
Re: Pesco - I'm not satisfied with rawr's latest post. It's basically abc are town, xy null, inconclusive comments on 5 other people, shadoweh isn't scumhunting.
Outside of rawr I could vote for BT (or even Bardiche, where the heck are you).
PX is a meh lynch because I don't really see him as scum based on D1 but I could vote him for not doing anything today. I'm a bit wary of deadline shenanigans based on the number of softclaims we have flying around.
The list
Looking bad: PX, Huh what
Suspicious: Pesco, Shadoweh, Zakeri(Dan), Affinity, Bardiche, BT, Dormio, Conq, Rawr
Possible Town: ????
Reasoning:
- HW, already explained above.
- PX, D1 doesn't explain or answers Pesco's posts
- PX, D1 no effort, no cases, nothing like HW opportunistic behaviour.
- PX, why does he escapes from Dormio wagon to overkill-lynch Serela wagon. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774238.html#msg774238) The wagon was already lynched. Why the fuck do you switch?
For Conq, all he has to his name was his nullish D1 due to his vote on Trickysticks in the middle of the day and general disappearance, showing up to vote for two town reads. Today, he has pointed out an insignificant contradiction (yes it's true but how is it scummy so close to the end of D1) on rawr and presented a case on BT which I felt misrepped him to some extent, as I've already raised. In short, partial gut and subjective reads. Would have rather went for people like Dormio but whatever.
##Vote: Conq
Conq is a primary suspect today given his rather irrelevant, nullish presence in D1 (ineffectual vote on Trickysticks, choice between two town reads at end), and a D2 fixation on BT fluffed up far beyond the acceptable limits of 'he kept going for Dormio on D2', which has been proven rather incorrect with BT's Conq vote. Combine this with a clear of PX which expresses denial at only one facet of huhwhat's case here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775438.html#msg775438) without further elaboration (though Zakeri did this too), and all the irrelevant questions asked (answers to which he did not use), I don't think he engaged in any more than pretend scumhunting and slippery play befitting of scum up till now.
Uhhh, because I'm scum trying to get town credit by hammering the town wagon?:colbert:
Passive chainsaw? Zak already posted discred to HW's case, so another reinforcement of it shakes people's reads into his play.No chainsaw. PX didn't read like scum to me.
In retrospect, your Rawr case boils down to a nooblynch. When you say you could vote for BT or Bard, the latter for not existing, then it should have been reasonable that you would vote PX for also not existing. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776012.html#msg776012) is especially bad in that regard.Nooblynches can still be newbscum. Pointless now that he's flipped but I didn't think he was town.
But the most telling things from Day2 are Conq's iffy handling of PX's claim and Hele's bad tunneling. Conq can be summarized as chainsaw dancing for PX. Clearing the guy (and the target) for an unprovoked and unproven softclaim while decrying the votes on him is definitely scummy. For context, this was when PX already got himself 3 votes. There was no good reason to believe PX at all. Going even further to make cases for the day based on this misinformation sounds like a scum teamplay.Again, see above. Where did I make cases for the day based on PX's info?
By only considering to vote BT (and Bard) as an alternative to lynching PX.Not sure what this is in response to but:
I'm voting for you to secure a lynch, and because I don't want PX or HW lynched.
I'm totally not here right now.
Quoting for sig purposes :V>.> So maybe I could've voted him a little. What's with this salt in my wound? >.<
:colbert:It was a scumtell. PX is cheeky scum. You have no idea how much I'm kicking myself for it. How dare he use Gut in vain. >:<
PX, next time you do this I'm just going to consider it a scumtell and vote you for it.
It was a scumtell. PX is cheeky scum. You have no idea how much I'm kicking myself for it. How dare he use Gut in vain. >:<Gut is scummy, much like cases.
@ Conq, Bardiche asked you why you kept so long for voting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776458.html#msg776458). You replied with "I had to wait and see for Helepolis" #730 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776465.html#msg776465). I find this strange. Everybody knew I was obv tunnelling hard and there is noway you could've conclude anything from that. Somehow, you were satisfied with my vote on Rawr. Why.
No defense against the 24-hour matter except that I was busy doing not-mafia and had no time for a proper reread before then. I didn't feel like voting Tricky (my prime suspect from yesterday) for the sake of voting and wanted to see what Helepolis could provide.<-- Didn't want to vote without having read the game. Didn't want to toss vote on you without reading other people. Re vote on rawr, see question below.
Also here strange votehop (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776518.html#msg776518) during critical moment. Also: "Conq: I don't think a huhwhat lynch is possible given the afkers. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776524.html#msg776524)" is very odd. HW wagon never took off. Only me (tunnel), PX (scum) was on the wagon, Zakeri and you. Did you tried to create a 2nd wagon at last moment?This was a jokevote. I switched one post later.
Looking bad: PX, Huh what
- PX, D1 doesn't explain or answers Pesco's posts
- PX, D1 no effort, no cases, nothing like HW opportunistic behaviour.
- PX, why does he escapes from Dormio wagon to overkill-lynch Serela wagon. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774238.html#msg774238) The wagon was already lynched. Why the fuck do you switch?
PX >> This has been said million times but I am sharing the same opinion. He has been very decisiveness end of D1 and asked other people who to vote. Though for me, this isn't instantly scummy. We have seen many decisiveness people in D1. Derp Town who is undecided could be as well in the same situation. It proves nothing. Him being pushed around solely on this seems opportunistic and blinding town. He claims tracker and seems to have tracked BT with no results.Helepolis, what changed?
But BT's post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776174.html#msg776174) makes some interesting comments on PX/HW. There seem to be indeed a subtle push to both of them, however, somehow I feel the HW push was weaker. Even with my mad-tunnelling on him, people were piling on PX.
(See HW and Dormio, they jumped on Rawr with 0 explanation.)Bullshit. I gave my reason for voting for Rawr. You even quoted it in this post.
Explain.Simple. I didn't want PX or HW lynched because I thought they were most likely to be town.
Too late to find out which one you would have preferred :/Er, that was actually me saying that I would have gone for DrRawr. :ohdear:
@Pesco, Maybe you should ask the rest Pesco why suddenly people jumped off the PX wagon? And maybe ask the people avoiding them why they avoided. Shoving the "why didn't you secure the lynch" is a cheap trick. My OMGUS vote on Rawr kept on there because I the way he behaved end of D2 was really suspicious. I had my own personal reasons to vote Rawr for what he did. The rest didn't even explain. (See HW and Dormio, they jumped on Rawr with 0 explanation.)
It leads me to think Conq was town getting mobbed as well. Although if Affinity was scum I'd have to suspect him again. :V
My reread says BT could be tunnelly town. He ignored PX sure, but his stance on that was clear. In addition, I think it's more likely PX would wifom innocent a townie than a scumbuddy,
Helepolis, what changed?Nothing? Did you see me saying HW got a clear for town anywhere? Nope. Have you seen my post asking Pesco why people broke down PX wagon. Why didn't you lynch the PX wagon and stayed on BT which most people didn't see as a threat like it was mentioned. Also, your answer still doesn't answer Bardiche's question. Excuses on what else you had to do is NULL + noise. Joke votes during critical moments? Was any body else joking around that time?
PX is a meh lynch because I don't really see him as scum based on D1 but I could vote him for not doing anything today. I'm a bit wary of deadline shenanigans based on the number of softclaims we have flying around.
A rawr wagon was still viable before you switched you know. :<
@Dormio, you are not explaining the "Why" part. Nowhere I can track reasoning for a vote on Rawr. Voting to secure a lynch on a wagon which wasn't close to L-X yet sounds like a very poor reason. Plenty of others were around to do that.What do you mean, I'm not explaining the why part? It's right there.
Also care to explain this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775968.html#msg775968), Conq?What do I have to explain? Tell me what's scummy about it, since you can't be arsed to.
Also according to your list (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776005.html#msg776005), Rawr and BT were scummy,And?
yet you later on switch to BT (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776012.html#msg776012).And?
Your reasoning on both were weak and no where to be found. And your defense against BT (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776400.html#msg776400) is strange.If you're going to call my reasoning weak you've got to tell me how it's weak. What's strange about my defense against BT?
Helepolis, that's not answering the question. No one cares about your HW wagon. I want to know why you thought PX was scummy, before you suddenly said nope PX isn't that scummy and jumped to vote rawr. No, you don't get to ask my why I didn't lynch the PX wagon because I never voted him all day and I never thought he was scummy enough to vote. You, on the other hand, thought he was scummy, before suddenly backtracking to vote on rawr.Nice attempt in attack. And awesome word twisting trying hard to paint me black:
Explain for me?We all joke about Affinity's scum meta being the superbusser for a reason. If he thought Conq's wagon would pick up as scum I could see him going for it. The vote struck me as weird when it happened, so I'm following the weirdness.
BT played along to the town confirmation ignorance after PX said it. It's not something to put stock in. Arguing yourself into WIFOM is stupid. Scum can say whatever they want but it's the actions that they take that will get them caught out. The clearcut actions are votes.BT also wasn't here/didn't post after PX's claim, which is irksome but ends up with him never having done anything to confirm or deny him. His last action before the day ending was to vote for Conq. I'd like to see what he has to say now about it all.
If I'm reading this correctly, your stance was that he was scummy enough for his softclaim to be ignored, but once he claimed a potentially useful power role his lynch is off limits for the day? If you thought he was scummy enough to vote before the claim, why couldn't he be scum fakeclaiming, like you said?
This vote (I've also added your reasons for voting me at the end of yesterday) feels like a stretch. Condensing my D1 into a Trickysticks vote (who is possibly scum anyway) and the choice between two town reads at the end and my D2 into a "BT fixation" is a misrep given that I was involved with questioning and read-gathering (though you can't really see the latter) to get to my decision for those votes. My BT case was still valid at the end given that I think his case on me is bull, and in any case I'm not sure what that latter phrase is supposed to mean. Show me where I asked irrelevant questions and didn't use the answers. Then you can call my play pretend scumhunting. The only thing to say about the PX clear is that I thought he was town.
I don't buy the way Affinity jumped off of PX yesterday. He had spent the entirity of the day voting him and building up a case against him; why should a claim get him off PX when Affinity knew the claim was coming via PX's earlier softclaim? In addition, I don't like the way he sat on his PX vote yesterday prior to the jumpoff while flinging stuff at other people: cheerleading of the Dormio case, even until today, expressing suspicion of BT yesterday before suddenly turning around and defending him once people start attacking BT for similar reasons, odd defense of Helepolis today while attacking other people for strange reasons.
I've noticed that on MotK, people very rarely look toward the base of mislynch wagons for scum when analyzing town flips. As a result, I ~personally~ avoid jumping onto wagons late as scum here, and would assume other people do the same (but maybe I'm just being self-centered).
Currently not liking PX's "I'm going to forget about everything else itg to focus on this one ActionDan post, vote, then disappear" thing. Can't say I'm willing to establish an opinion yet because there's not enough stuff to work with, and voting for him like this would make me a huge hypocrite.
PX: I like this dude too.
People I wouldn't shoot: Affinity, Bard, Pesco, Zak, to a lesser extent Conq and PX
:psyduck: (amidoingitrite?) Just something I want to keep in mind when I look over your vote switches.Hey, I wouldn't give away my scum meta unless I intended to subvert it later. Of course, that goes for what I'm saying right now, too.
Give me the same as what I asked Dormio.I at first thought PX was being more aggressive than usual, which gave me an early town read. As the day went on he just sort of slipped my mind when he started posting less, but I never took enough note of it to change the read.
HW's vote became serious from the initial jokevote and then dropped for a much weaker Dormio vote.The serious vote on PX wasn't really valid, though, because he wasn't saying what I thought he was saying.
@Dormio, not satisfied with your answers. Still cannot track any solid reasoning (CASE!) for you not to lynch PX/HWWhy would there be?
That sounds kinda gay man :wat: I'm gonna ask you to dig through the mess of your brain and refind what about him you liked. There really wasn't a lot of people even paying attention to PX and he didn't feature much in a lot of posts. It's worrying that probably the most obvscum of the scum could get under the radar this much.But since PX flipped scum, this is a thing I should do.
I bet Dormio is going to answer my questions now.Nope. I went to sleep, then SOPA. I don't really get what questions you're asking me, either.
Then there's how Dormio kind of noted how he forgot about PX's soft-claim in #536, which was directly after his case on me, although he proceeds to never mention it again like he knew it was no big deal.Fact of the matter is, I didn't care about it at all. What of it?
WHY DOES NO ONE EVER VOTE WITH ME >:(
nurse rawr - Petrine - a Vanilla Townie was lynched Day 2???
Nice accusing.
- In addition, despite placing HW and PX as higher priority targets (The only people that he didn't flake on, I might add), who does he help lynch at the end of the day? DrRawr. Now, see, there was a viable PX counter wagon, so I'm wondering why Helepolis didn't go for it? Especially when he hadn't mentioned DrRawr at all throughout the entire game.
- Which makes me wonder about something else. Hey, Helepolis, you say in your second post (#510) that Serela was obvtown to you. I question how you reached this conclusion. Or, rather, why wasn't DrRawr obvtown to you? I think he had a lot in common with Serela.
##Vote DrRawrThis is your D2 effort.
Last hour and I'm doing other stuff.
I'm voting for you to secure a lynch, and because I don't want PX or HW lynched.I asked you three times already why you didn't want PX lynched. You never explained and still refuse to do it.
I'm totally not here right now.
Emtpy votes are even worse, Dormio, like yours?
- Empty unvotes are bad, and I have no idea why Helepolis made one in #634. Seriously, at this point, your other desired lynch PX was at L-2. Why would you not vote for him? Why would you not even mention him?
Pesco asked this. Conq asked this. It was answered. If you cannot read posts, your problem.
- Seriously, where the hell did the vote on DrRawr even come from?
Why are you worried about the pressure vote? If you're town, you wouldn't have to be worried about this and actually answer the questions.
- Beginning of D3, Helepolis makes a pressure vote, rather than voting for who he thinks is scummy. Seriously, he places a vote on me to get me to explain my shit.
Not my problem if you cannot read posts Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777322.html#msg777322).
- #807 seems full of BS to me. On the topic of Helepolis asking Conq why he didn't hammer PX, I have to ask again: Why didn't you?
I seem to be forgotten about it? What about the rest? Opportunistic mudslinging.
- And what happened to your suspicion of HW anyway? For how gung-ho you were about HW's lynch for a period of time yesterday, you seem to have forgotten all about him. I mean, yeah sure, you mention to Conq in #807 that you haven't cleared HW, but so what? You haven't mentioned him at all today.
1) I never said "Nope PX isn't scum" and changed my vote. So your accusation is false. (word twisting ho!)You called PX "bad" multiple times throughout the day. I took this to mean that you were fine with both the PX and huhwhat wagons. In hindsight, reads like soft bussing while you were pushing on huhwhat. Here, I'll let you eat your own words.
The list
Looking bad: PX, Huh what
Suspicious: Pesco, Shadoweh, Zakeri(Dan), Affinity, Bardiche, BT, Dormio, Conq, Rawr
Possible Town: ????
Reasoning:
- HW, already explained above.
- PX, D1 doesn't explain or answers Pesco's posts
- PX, D1 no effort, no cases, nothing like HW opportunistic behaviour.
- PX, why does he escapes from Dormio wagon to overkill-lynch Serela wagon. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774238.html#msg774238) The wagon was already lynched. Why the fuck do you switch?
@ PX >> HI where did you got that awesome post from? (Note: major sarcasm). D1 you're show was terrible
Wow, nobody is posting opinions on PX's claim any more, while plenty of members are reading this.Never mind Helepolis never gave an actual opinion on the claim, only stating the obvious.
PX >> This has been said million times but I am sharing the same opinion. He has been very decisiveness end of D1 and asked other people who to vote. Though for me, this isn't instantly scummy. We have seen many decisiveness people in D1. Derp Town who is undecided could be as well in the same situation. It proves nothing. Him being pushed around solely on this seems opportunistic and blinding town. He claims tracker and seems to have tracked BT with no results.Oh now, PX has a decisive end of D1, but it isn't instantly scummy, and he could be derp town, so it proves nothing. If that's the case then why the fuck were you attacking him earlier? The pile on him is opportunistic; the hw push was weaker...is this a comment implying hw is scum because the px wagon was stronger?
But BT's post makes some interesting comments on PX/HW. There seem to be indeed a subtle push to both of them, however, somehow I feel the HW push was weaker. Even with my mad-tunnelling on him, people were piling on PX.
2) I had reasons to doubt Rawr vs PX and stated them clearly and obvious. Answered Pesco clearly as well. (word twisting ho #2)
##Vote DrRawr
I care.
This is your Day 2 effort in 2 lines.
Continuing to drink my milk and form my post.
DrRawr >> Has been only riding wagons since D1. But D1 he has been cute-voting/complaining against Shadoweh. I first thought Shadoweh's responses to Rawr (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg773473.html#msg773473) were out of place. Maybe because she was newbie-picking, maybe because Pesco also wondering the poking on Rawr. Conq's #532 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775438.html#msg775438) at the end is exactly same question. Later on again in #540 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg775463.html#msg775463). What Rawr did was nothing different from PX.Your case on rawr is that rawr is a puppet. And gut!
D2 Rawr sounds like to me a puppet. Especially his last posts major concern me, as if he got instructed to make a comment on my "lists" and how Bardiche is also "mirroring" it. End D2 Rawr != Begin D2 Rawr nor D1 Rawr. His attack on me was very strange and sounded commanded. The initial reaction vote was indeed OMGUS, but now I am GUTS! =D and more convinced it is a valid vote for me. Maybe scum is hoping people to ignore Rawr because he is a newbie for doing this. Well I am not, and seems I am not the only one.
Vote >> I am keeping my vote on Rawr.
Puppet Rawr is being kept out of the wind. He isn't going to get lynched, that is fore sure. NK? I doubt it. If he is indeed a Newbie-Town, then I'll echo Bardiche' own words said: "Scum have better targets to shoot at". And possibly wouldn't shoot him yet.
Though Shadoweh, I don't think he is going to be lynched tonight or shot. Though if he does, then his flip will tell a lot of people more.
2) I had reasons to doubt Rawr vs PX and stated them clearly and obvious. Answered Pesco clearly as well. (word twisting ho #2)
What Rawr did was nothing different from PX.Ho ho ho.
3) You kept Rawr + BT as suspects (unreasoned). Rawr flipped Town Pesco asked you the same about BT (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777257.html#msg777257). I questioned you about this, so did Pesco. Yet you came with strange - answers - on these questionsBullshit, you even linked to my reasoning when you were making your scumcase on rawr. BT was never unreasoned either --> more proof you're not reading.
Your defence of how you didn't find PX scummy is blatant trying to slip away from focus and shove it on me. Bardiche had suspected you with GUT (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776436.html#msg776436). Now that I backread on how you tried hard to sway people away from PX. You kept on asking PX questions (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776433.html#msg776433) (Flavour?). Further more, I actually noticed you jumped into (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776369.html#msg776369) "Guys-wait-PX-isn't-bad" gear the moment and started questioning 'balance' and 'roles' and other things (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776400.html#msg776400) and some more defence of PX (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776427.html#msg776427).
@Conq:Ahahaha. Good, good, now the question is, why the qualification "at least for PX"? No attempt to make sense of his claim on the day he claimed, to determine whether or not he could be scum fakeclaiming? A convenient excuse since it's possible you were a PX buddy trying to let him live just "one more day." In any case, I'm holding this statement to your face so you can backtrack on it to your leisure.
Yes to the first question, at least for PX. In general I thought that, in absence of a counterclaim from BT or someone else, the pros of leaving a potential town tracker alive were better than the possibility of PX flipping scum, and that PX's results would give us the required info to make a judgement on his alignment.
Not wanting to make a back and forth on D1 issues, so I'll leave it at that. Irrelevant questioning, I felt, happened most on Dormio and Serela ED1 (e.g here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774069.html#msg774069) and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774075.html#msg774075)), and others along the lines of "What do you think of BT, X", "Dormio, what are your non-BT reads?", but it's a rather stupid thing to argue about.Granted, I did ask some relatively irrelevant questions (I like being able to banter in thread; the atmosphere is more relaxing than me). But to characterize the entirety of my content as irrelevant questioning is just wrong. You disagree?
Your case on BT, however, was not valid at all beyond the "tunnel-vision beyond the span of two days is scummy" point. Rereading it, your case started with the questionable 'axiom' that what BT was saying was reportery and null, which people such as me and Bard disagreed with. BT taking issue with this 'axiom' is a valid point, and answering it back with "yeah, so what?" here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776423.html#msg776423) avoids the main point. The fact that you reread him only to discard your entire tome of words on him into a sealed box named 'tunnel-town' is pretty much what I think is ineffectual about your scumhunting. Why is his tunneling on Dormio suddenly town? Why are you suddenly making note of his town reads even though you never acknowledged them D2? Such an explanation draws a huge blank over your D2, to think that your main case in D2 could be averted with a single reread.I thought that BT's case on Dormio is a bad case (in terms of I think Dormio is town and BT is pushing at irrelevant points), and I stand by that. The question is whether it is scum!bad or town!bad. What changed between yesterday and today is that PX ended up flipping scum overnight, so I had to reread the game with this in mind. I find BT's position on PX throughout the game more honest and believable than that of people like you or Helepolis, since I also thought that PX was town. What have you learned from the flip, Affinity? Have you learned anything or was it all known to you beforehand? To paint my position on BT as "discarding my entire D2 for no reason" is completely disingenuous, and I think you know this.
Not much to say against these points given that I answered most of them already at some point. I take particular issue with that 'cheerleading for Dormio' point given that I was actively questioning his sudden defensiveness regarding points like 'vote-parking on Conq', which he accepted on D1 without issue but attacked BT for in D2.Remind me to get to this later.
I might as well vote Shadoweh for being strange, dark, beautiful and scary.Shadoweh's not very scary tbh :P
I seem to be forgotten about it? What about the rest? Opportunistic mudslinging.I'm busy right now, but I want to highlight this.
Since my Conq thing looks somewhat messy, summary: questionable PX town read, case on BT fluffed up with invalid accusations (e.g I can't understand why you are voting for Dormio), only to completely disregard it today as tunnel-town for little reason. Nully D1, useless D2 other than a few token questions on rawr and pre-empting the Helepolis case today. Don't buy that Conq was necessarily defending PX yesterday, but BT's point about Conq going after him while disregarding PX is interesting. If Conq doubted PX's softclaim due to him lurking, shouldn't the suspicion order be the other way round?Responded to this above. Inform me if you're not satisfied. Responded to the softclaim bit too. How many times do I have to say I didn't have a scumread on PX? >_>
I'm filled with doubt! ^_^/Third is probably Affinity, outside shot BT. There are some outside outside shots but they aren't worth mentioning atm.
Conq, let's say PX/Helepolis. Who would you place as a third and why?
Only scum would push and question me around this much.Are you fucking serious Helepolis.
They didnt even question Zakeri's afk which bothers me. Cannot track any posts where zakeri was questioned except by a few people, and their names were not dormio and conqZakeri looks pretty town. You mad because no one is making your cases for you? I noticed you don't have anything to say about Zakeri either.
I claim Tracker (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tracker)
I am a simple TrackerThese parts. The flavour should have been self-evident if he actually had the role he was talking about.
What exactly are you looking for on flavor?
What of my reaction if I want to stick to my guns?Your guns are a little rusty.
@huhwhat - You don't think Hele's content is awful and scummy? To be fair, I wasn't paying much attention to him on D2, because I had a gut possible scum read on you, sorry. But in light of the PX flip and Hele's approach to today, I think he's a good candidate for scum. Plus remember that this is Trickysticks' slot.I thought Hele's content was awful and scummy before thinking so was cool :hipster:. It just bugged me that you ignored this until said content was directed at you, at which point you wagonhopped him.
I thought Hele's content was awful and scummy before thinking so was cool :hipster:. It just bugged me that you ignored this until said content was directed at you, at which point you wagonhopped him.Yeah. To be fair I was kind of ignoring him earlier because I had no idea what he was talking about. My play's been a bit reactive this game, I admit.
I'm not sure where the whole "slamming BT while clearing PX" thing is coming from. Like I said before, I thought PX was softcrumbing a cop result, and my scumread on BT and BT's play led me to think he was as possible godfather, which is why most people were ignoring him. Then when PX claimed tracker BT wasn't cleared in any sense. I had a non!scum read on PX throughout this.Conq, if you were a watcher, why did you buy PX's cop crumb?
Conq, if you were a watcher, why did you buy PX's cop crumb?
Both your targets are crap. Affinity gets null reads from people more often than a town read. His activity isn't much of a leader either. Affinity isn't worth a N1 kill unless scum RNG'd him. Shadoweh wouldn't have been worth watching since she claimed to only have one shot. If scum believed that and most likely thought they were safe on N2, then letting her fire into town would let them catch up on the missed NK. It wouldn't have been optimal to try and block her shot.Oh really now. Almost everyone was declaring Affinity town on D1, and his opinions were widely accepted or at least, I didn't see any disagreements. Who would have been worth a N1 kill then in this town?
Wanna hear Hele and BT on the claim.What do you want me to say on his claim? Mafia-gameplay wise, I don't have enough experience to make something out of Town Watcher. If I were Town Watcher, I would track the low-radar-flying people, like BT or Zakeri. At least Zakeri who has been the lowest-radar-flyer among all. Why was Zakeri on HW in D2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776548.html#msg776548), and now voting between me and Conq on D3? What happened to his viewpoint on HW and what happened to make him suddenly suspect me and Conq? This post of him is something to keep in mind (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777706.html#msg777706).
Well, from your own perspective Helepolis, did Affinity seem town to you after reading Day 1? What about Bardiche?I was tunnelling majority of D2, strange and possible stupid action D2. I don't have true reasoning on then ATM on Affinity or Bardiche (Will reread D1). Also Shadoweh, I never declared anybody town to avoid cutting my self on this. Otherwise opportunistic scum or confused town will ask: "THIS PERSON WAS TOWN, WHY SUDDENLY SUSPICIOUS". Which would only create more noise. Therefore I only listed "looking bad" and "suspicious" and my there is absolutely no way anybody can conclude anything on this except question me on Rawr vs PX.
Buncha Bardiche fanboys trying to watch Bardiche at night. :VThis response is strange. If you would've watched Bardiche N2, we would've gotten the roleblocker/shooter in one hit? (That is what watching does right if I understood?)
When spotting someone one being obvious unsure/doubting D1 (PX) and suddenly making awesome post, that person obviously got helped to prepare such post thus lynch like holy-shit-fast-batman.[/i]Uh Helepolis.
@ PX >> HI where did you got that awesome post from? (Note: major sarcasm). D1 you're show was terribleI'm confused.
I didn't promise a big post, I promised a post where I would vote NeoSerela and then tell people if it would be because its a consolidation lynch, or if I think there's a shot he might be scum.But actually said before:
I suppose I should be focusing on the two wagons rather than replying to everything in the thread, I'm very partial against Dormio's lynch since I still have a town read from the first half of the day, so I'll focus on reading NeoSerela in depth."Focus in depth" <----------> "Didn't promise big post" >> His serela explanation consists of 3 lines. Nice indepth analysis.
Nice accusing.It is, isn't it? Have anything to say about it?
This is your D2 effort.I like your misrepresentation. You also did this against Rawr, if I recall correctly.
I asked you three times already why you didn't want PX lynched. You never explained and still refuse to do it.
First of all, it looked to me like he was trying in D1. It just seemed really similar to previous games where I read him as scum, only to find him flipping town when he was lynched.Yeah, sure.
As for D2... I kind of just ignored him and went by what I thought of him D1 due to his lack of activity.
Wow, some people are really trying hard to toss out the most biggest bullcrapTell me about it.
Emtpy votes are even worse, Dormio, like yours?Uh, what?
Pesco asked this. Conq asked this. It was answered. If you cannot read posts, your problem.I'm just asking why it took priority over one of two people that you explicitly labelled as scummy, bro.
Why are you worried about the pressure vote? If you're town, you wouldn't have to be worried about this and actually answer the questions.I'm not worried about it, per se. Like I said, what is the point of a pressure vote at this point in the game? Vote for scum?
You still didn't answer, therefore you're being suspiciously scummy now.See above.
Not my problem if you cannot read posts Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777322.html#msg777322).Well, this thing was directed at Conq so I ignored it for the most part, but if you want. Whatever.
I seem to be forgotten about it? What about the rest? Opportunistic mudslinging.Again, give me a moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxP2r_LWtf8) before I continue.
Am I sensing scummy shove the blame, ignore the shame here?Please tell me what I'm ignoring.
@huhwhat - You don't think Hele's content is awful and scummy? To be fair, I wasn't paying much attention to him on D2, because I had a gut possible scum read on you, sorry. But in light of the PX flip and Hele's approach to today, I think he's a good candidate for scum. Plus remember that this is Trickysticks' slot.Explain to me Conq, what does Trickyslot have to do with me and your accusation. I am sure almost everybody agreed Tricky was non existant D1 and was about to be mod-killed if I didn't replace in.
I thought that BT's case on Dormio is a bad case (in terms of I think Dormio is town and BT is pushing at irrelevant points), and I stand by that. The question is whether it is scum!bad or town!bad. What changed between yesterday and today is that PX ended up flipping scum overnight, so I had to reread the game with this in mind. I find BT's position on PX throughout the game more honest and believable than that of people like you or Helepolis, since I also thought that PX was town. What have you learned from the flip, Affinity? Have you learned anything or was it all known to you beforehand? To paint my position on BT as "discarding my entire D2 for no reason" is completely disingenuous, and I think you know this.
BT, what do you think of Hele scum? Given that he did something (suspicions switch from PX to rawr) that seemed objectionable at first glance, what are your comments on him independent of your thoughts on Conq?Uh, yup, had stuff about this in my original posts. Plenty of things he was doing (for example: cases on HW during D2, the thing with the lists) makes it hard for me to believe he's working with a team, his switch to rawr isn't as bad as people make it seem seeing as he did explain the vote, which is notable considering others haven't even done that much and people are accusing him for it anyway. The way he changed his PX read while doing this is scummy, yes. IIRC, he did this because I (?) convinced him that scum are pushing for PX and this alone made him change his read. I can only assume that this happened because his read on PX wasn't that strong to begin with, and indeed, if you take a look at what he's been doing, his only real scumpick for a long while seemed to be HW. So yes, this is definitely objectionable play, but I'm not seeing this as such a big scumtell like others seem to be.
Tell me why my late D2 reeks of scum. I'm stupid town, I need it spelt out in front of me. Because if you're town you're going to need more than that after I flip.I have explained this already. But if it'll make you happy, I'll go over some of the stuff:
Here, I'll say it; at the time, I thought that PX was softclaiming a cop innocent on you, which meant that you could have been either town or a mafia godfather. Then again, PX could have also been claiming something like friendly neighborizer (forget the name) which would have meant you were 100% town, which is why I was hesitant to vote you without more information.This did not explain why you felt fine with cheerleading my wagon "in the meantime". Plus, this does not explain why you believed the claim in the first place, so much so that you went on and made wild assumptions with the base assumption that he did, in fact, target me. Not to mention, you then accuse HW of instantly believing PX's claim (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776498.html#msg776498) (as in, doing the same thing).
I'm reading Dormio as more or less town right now, so I'm wary of people who seem to be stuck in a tunnel on him and calling him scum, scum, scum.???
Dormio, what happened to your case on BT?Er, let me find it.
Oh yeah, I am dumb and forgot to mention this in an earlier post. Like, I was supposed to put this in my first post or something.
With PX's flip, I am now inclined to take his claim about BT being town at face value.
With PX's flip, I am now inclined to take his claim about BT being town at face value.
Affinity, the post you linked is before PX's claim. I would venture Conq pressing him assisted in calling PX to claim before he hit L-1. I also bring here followed by pretty much all his questions after the claim.
I still find it difficult to believe that PX would have wanted to sheep a case on a scum!Dan and get his buddy lynched Day 1, especially given that PX flipping Goon implies his buddies are probably PRs. D1 busses tend to hurt scum more than town in general since Numbers Are Important, so PX pushing a case on his buddy into the limelight seems unlikely.
Also Shadoweh, I never declared anybody town to avoid cutting my self on this. Otherwise opportunistic scum or confused town will ask: "THIS PERSON WAS TOWN, WHY SUDDENLY SUSPICIOUS". Which would only create more noise. Therefore I only listed "looking bad" and "suspicious" and my there is absolutely no way anybody can conclude anything on this except question me on Rawr vs PX.Do you really believe this? Really? I can't wrap my head around this. Whatever.
@Dormio: Why can't PX be defending a fellow scumbuddy with that claim?Because :PXtroll:.
And Conq made it clear that he thought that PX was a cop as a result of that softclaim here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777255.html#msg777255); watcher+tracker might be on the borders of the realm of absurdity, sure, but a watcher + cop? I really doubt it.I'll point you to your own setup for cop + watcher + vig + ???, so this talking point is full of it. The main point is that I don't know what the full setup is, and what PRs the scumteam may or may not have. I'll take "balance" into consideration but I'm not going to lynch someone solely off of it. I felt PX's flaky play could have somewhat fit that of a PR.
Helepolis, in general, is far too loud and brash to be likely scum (e.g attracting Conq's vote from me when it wasn't needed for instance). There's also the issue in which I believe that his vote on rawr over PX D2 was fine (compared to Zakeri's and Conq's interactions with PX). Yes, his tunnel on huhwhat is certainly bad, but in general I feel that his scumhunting does contain some grain of truth (on Zakeri, Conq) despite him using premises we don't really accept.I dunno, I've been pretty loud and brash. Tell us about Helepolis' vote on rawr. What did it consist of, if you recall? What premises is Helepolis working from in his scumcase on Zakeri?
scum watcherOh god I can't take any more of this. I'm a one-shot vig. Our 'doctor' role was a bulletproof. In theory Conq would be watching for an investigative role, but no one but Conqueror has found investigative claims suspicious for reasons related to setup, either today or yesterday. In theory the roleblocker is scum, so the 'scum watcher' wouldn't be looking at him. Townside, there aren't enough people to watch. This is silly. Also, Conq didn't stick to his townread. He declared him null and immediately started pressing him to claim. This tells me that Conq is the real deal.
I'll point you to your own setup for cop + watcher + vig + , so this talking point is full of it. The main point is that I don't know what the full setup is, and what PRs the scumteam may or may not have. I'll take "balance" into consideration but I'm not going to lynch someone solely off of it. I felt PX's flaky play could have somewhat fit that of a PR.
Nothing is "town-affirming" of course, confirmed townies are rare to come across in mafia. Your talking points in this particular post seem to be "well conq's claim doesn't confirm him as town" which is a given. Let's not talk hypotheticals; what do you really think?
I dunno, I've been pretty loud and brash. Tell us about Helepolis' vote on rawr. What did it consist of, if you recall? What premises is Helepolis working from in his scumcase on Zakeri?
Concluding things from here: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777905.html#msg777905)1. I didn't like the case on dormio.
- Obvious Dormio defense.
- Liar --> for making 3 line "in-depth" explanation post.
- Echoing my own case in D2 against HW, sounds like wagon fuelling.
There's also the issue in which I believe that his vote on rawr over PX D2 was fine (compared to Zakeri's and Conq's interactions with PX).Could you expand on this? I don't see where his reasoning makes more sense compared to other people's, considering it contains his defense/waffle over PX despite his many, many assertions that no one is not fair game at any point in time.
About two investigatives in general: Cop + watcher or Cop + tracker isn't that unheard of in regular setups, which presumably we're playing. The game is a bit bigger then just 1-Shot Vig + Bulletproof.
Could you expand on this? I don't see where his reasoning makes more sense compared to other people's, considering it contains his defense/waffle over PX despite his many, many assertions that no one is not fair game at any point in time.
As for claims, I've never been good at knowing what to make of claims. Something about Conq's feels a bit off, but will require more reading. And that needs sleep.
I don't actually have any logical reason to clear Dormio other than :effort: and gut. His posts are kinda horrible to reread.This is why Dormio is OP. People just subconsciously assume he's town on later days and forget that he's playing because they don't want to analyze his twitterposts.
Reading back from that, I don't see where the HW vote came from.Is this about my vote on rawr, or Conq's vote on me?
@Dormio: what do you really think about Conq's roleclaim now? You should at least finalize your opinion before the day ends.I find it to be believable enough.
This is why Dormio is OP. People just subconsciously assume he's town on later days and forget that he's playing because they don't want to analyze his twitterposts.Until I'm lynched on D5? :V
Hele what is keeping your vote on Conq going to do? Presuming that you believe his claim at the moment.Aren't we being a little hasty/jumpy into false conclusions? I said "IF" and I also said need to hear from Conq.
I figure his chase on BT is a remnant of D1 OMGUS. Looking at how the votes shifted to Rawr once PX claimed, BT's lynch lost its supporters. Dormio already said he didn't want to lynch PX. It would seem that his vote had nowhere else to go but on Rawr, even if for the sake of getting a lynch.Sense, makes none. Dormio blames me for making empty unvotes (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777906.html#msg777906), and you clearly here agree with his empty vote on a wagon which wasn't hot yet. How did anybody know Rawr wagon would go hot?
If you're deciding Dormio is scummy because of links with Conq, it doesn't work because neither of them have flipped yet.And I asked you what you think of his "I don't know about Conq" on Conq's claim. Stop dodging.
~logic~
Conq - My Townie BFFHello. Is there anything outside of assumptions based off of a reasonable/standard balance that make Conq legit? And why do his interactions with PX fit well with TownWatcher!Conq and don't with Scum!Conq?
Because he waffled wrong at me. Although I supose it could be Affinity + Zakeri. I believe BT could also be scum due to his lack of fakeclaim experience. As scum he literally claimed his role. Also Serela clones, bullets, face. Obviously it's not Affinity + Zak + BT that would be alot of scums. You understand what I mean about the watcher at least.So I had this one rushed post of mines which reminds you of Serela, you keep completely disregarding the reasons I did present for my Conq vote, something about fakeclaims I do not get the relevance of AT ALL, and I'm your top scumpick?
Sense, makes none. Dormio blames me for making empty unvotes (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777906.html#msg777906), and you clearly here agree with his empty vote on a wagon which wasn't hot yet. How did anybody know Rawr wagon would go hot?
And I asked you what you think of his "I don't know about Conq" on Conq's claim. Stop dodging.
BT is a general town read, given that I thought him right yesterday over Conq, but given a limited range of suspects he has had the entire game, this opinion is subject to change depending on Dormio's and Conq's flips, but in general I'm fine with the way he pursued Dormio and Conq so far.I'll pretend the guy who followed my Conq vote ever since I first raised it didn't just say this.
Hello. Is there anything outside of assumptions based off of a reasonable/standard balance that make Conq legit? And why do his interactions with PX fit well with TownWatcher!Conq and don't with Scum!Conq?Have fun finding a time I didn't think Conq was legit. I'm sure it existed somewhere in the back cause I'm neurotic. I think he's legit because he sounded just like me looking weirdly at the fakeclaim. Also because we're townie BFF's this game. There is no doubt in my mind this is a Town.
So I had this one rushed post of mines which reminds you of Serela, you keep completely disregarding the reasons I did present for my Conq vote, something about fakeclaims I do not get the relevance of AT ALL, and I'm your top scumpick?It must be hard trying to paint me as scummy when I'm obvtown. I'd prefer if you reminded me of those reasons, perhaps attempted to reinsert those opinions you lost in that post, presented some thoughts on other people, and stopped voting my townie buddy. PS both Conq and Dormio are town if that helps your read of what Affinity said.
You're trying to draw a conclusion on Dormio based on his words about an unflipped player. The only way to read it is to flip said player.I am asking you to express opinions, not conclusions. Since he so called Claimed Vanilla Town D1 L2. Of course he isn't flipped yet, I think that is given.
Have fun finding a time I didn't think Conq was legit. I'm sure it existed somewhere in the back cause I'm neurotic. I think he's legit because he sounded just like me looking weirdly at the fakeclaim. Also because we're townie BFF's this game. There is no doubt in my mind this is a Town.Not at home right now. Not on a PC right now.
You want people to switch votes. You think Conq is town due to your gut. You want people to switch votes due to your gut?
It must be hard trying to paint me as scummy when I'm obvtown. I'd prefer if you reminded me of those reasons, perhaps attempted to reinsert those opinions you lost in that post, presented some thoughts on other people, and stopped voting my townie buddy. PS both Conq and Dormio are town if that helps your read of what Affinity said.
Do you need to be spoon-fed? The reasons are there, opinins on non-Conq are there, the fact you can't be arsed to find them only shows your willingness to actually read me. And that's a nice interpretation of what I'm doing, to be sure.
And if you're Town, you sure failed to be pro-Town, but I think you are not.Again, if you're serious about this, there needs to be a post-game talk.
If Conq is town and actually starts using his brain, he would actually search for other scum targets, since we both claimed.:derp: :derp: :derp:
If you case on huhwhat was mainly a work in progress as you say, then why didn't you elaborate it here, when huhwhat had already answered you?I didn't elaborate in the linked post because I elaborated in the post I made before that post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg776147.html#msg776147)
It's not that I find Conqueror less scummy, it's that I find Helepolis more scummy. He had been blowing hot air all game, he seemed to have made a lot of useless cases that say almost nothing while trying to paint the targets in a negative light at the same time. I was also suspicious, and frankly still am at the fact that he included reasoning for defending PX, yet after his flip kept claiming he never said PX Wasn't scum.
Deadline for day 3 is in 47 minutes! Watch Timer Here (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=1&day=21&year=2012&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p0=782)If this ends in a NL, then you people are bad and you should feel bad. I really hope I'm not expected to hammer the player who I think is the Town Watcher just so we can get a flip.
It's not that I find Conqueror less scummy, it's that I find Helepolis more scummy. He had been blowing hot air all game, he seemed to have made a lot of useless cases that say almost nothing while trying to paint the targets in a negative light at the same time. I was also suspicious, and frankly still am at the fact that he included reasoning for defending PX, yet after his flip kept (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777885.html#msg777885) claiming (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777881.html#msg777881) he never said PX Wasn't scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777322.html#msg777322).
This is because I said he would probably live isn't it. >_>
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Read 1: Dormio!
Dormio is the first person (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772718.html#msg772718) to bring logical arguments not dismissable as RVS to the table, including logical suspicion of scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772722.html#msg772722). PX replies with No that's crazy I totally didn't mean that don't think I'm scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg772739.html#msg772739), addressing Dormio as a townie he needs to convince to be on his side. Dormio is town.
Wow, that sure waseasydifficult because fuck tags!! Now where was I.
Going to have to agree that people shouldn't assume that the Hele wagon was scum-motivated, because he really WAS scummy and it was easy for town and scum alike to jump on his wagon.This is horrible and you should feel horrible for pushing this. So should Affinity. What you are suggesting is that we should ignore the flips and continue like nothing happened. Helepolis was town. Rawr was town. Serela was town. Some of the people making cases and voting them were scum. Finding the bullshit and filtering it out is the only way to tell the mafiates from the town.
A Conq-Affinity scumteam? I don't find that likely in the slightest.Why not? :toot:
Now, if we keep with this assumption, (along the assumption that I, myself, am town, which is something I am going to be assuming!) we're left with two scum (and a third party?)The one who brings up the third party is the third party! In seriousness, if you were considering this for real, it would have made your point against Pesco more realistic. As it stands you used the forbidden words without thinking about them. What makes you suspect there's a third party at this point?
Unless you're saying Dormio trying to lynch me is a scum tell. It might be!Nah, pretty sure that's just a Dormio tell. I do think he's likely to be town.
Dormio, what sets apart Zakeri's reaction to the votes on his wagon at the end of D3 from my reaction to the early votes on me in D2?I think of you as probably town for other reasons.
If you think I'm town despite the defense of PX, what makes Zakeri scum for something similar?
Conq target and results whar?:ohdear:
I was unable to leave my room last night.Watched Shadoweh.
This is horrible and you should feel horrible for pushing this. So should Affinity. What you are suggesting is that we should ignore the flips and continue like nothing happened. Helepolis was town. Rawr was town. Serela was town. Some of the people making cases and voting them were scum. Finding the bullshit and filtering it out is the only way to tell the mafiates from the town.
Because Shadoweh is obvtown by nightplay (and dayplay, to a lesser extent).Tells us nothing but whatever.
I didn't have too many solid reasonings in the first place. That's why I wanted Helepolis lynched more.
I disagree with Hele being outright scummy yesterday. It could be put down to bad play, but nothing that furthered a self-preservation motive. He was willing to lynch himself in a sort of noob sense of taking responsibility. It's AtE and doesn't help scum to win. When you say he was scummy, I still say his wagon was scum motivated because they can get their votes on him easily.If you disagreed with Hele being outright scummy yesterday you should have said something to that extent. You never did, so I'm inclined to doubt your sincerity on this opinion.
ED1:
Voting:
PX (1): Affinity
Huh What (3): Bardiche, Conq, Pesco
Serela (1): ActionDan
Conqueror (1): Dormio
ActionDan (5): Huh What, PX, Shadoweh, Serela, Trickysticks (L-2)
Dormio (2): BT, nurse rawr
Mid Day 1:
Voting:
Serela (3): Huh What, Shadoweh, PX
Zakeri (1): Trickysticks
Dormio (2): Affinity, Bardiche
Shadoweh (4): Pesco, Conq, Dormio, nurse rawr (L-3)
Trickysticks (1): Zakeri
End Day 1:
Voting:
Serela (7): Shadoweh, Dormio, Pesco, Huh What, Conq, Zakeri, nurse rawr
Zakeri (1): Trickysticks
Dormio (5): Affinity, Bardiche, Serela, BT, PX
Mid Day 2, Pre-Exodus:
Voting:
PX (5): Huh What, Pesco, Affinity, nurse rawr, Bardiche (L-2)
Huh What (2): PX, Zakeri
BT (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Conq
Conq (1): BT
nurse rawr (1): Helepolis
End Day 2:
Voting:
PX (1): Pesco
Huh What (2): PX, Zakeri
Conq (2): BT, Bardiche
nurse rawr (7): Helepolis, Shadoweh, Huh What, Dormio, Conq, nurse rawr, Affinity
Day 3:
Voting:
Helepolis (5): Huh What, Dormio, Conq, Zakeri, Shadoweh
Conq (3): Pesco, BT, Affinity
BT (1): Helepolis
Not getting this when the reasons for voting them were so obvious and easy that anyone could spout convincing reasons regarding their lynch, whether genuinely or not.This is like an explanation of why scum voting Helepolis's wagon should be a given.
The bullshit comes in the explanation of one's choice over the other between two wagons and the jumps in between, which did happen with PX regarding Serela and Dormio D1, but certainly not Helepolis and Conq D3, where everyone on the Helepolis wagon did not want to see Conq lynched. Of course, if anyone can find this 'bullshit' you speak of, then I would be happy to listen, but as far as I know, the above school of thought is pretty wrong as a general rule (e.g not the only way).Everyone on the Conq wagon refused to switch too, as evidenced by how close the deadline was. Tell me something, if Helepolis was so 'obviously scummy' why didn't you vote for him? Why the switch to Zakeri? You obviously believe he was so scummy that everyone who voted him should be given a free pass. Didn't you argue yesterday that Helepolis was town and people shouldn't be voting for him? What gives?
I'm quite worried about how Dormio seems to drift from day to day (up to D3) without much of a connecting thread between them, assuming and dropping numerous stances randomly and tunneling on them one at a time. (e.g essence of each day; D1: Conq is scummy for a long time; but since no interest, Shadoweh is scummy, but since vigclaim, not me over me on Serela D2: I think Conq and Shadoweh are fine now, let's go for BT and clear PX. D3: I think BT is sort of cleared because WIFOM, let's go after Helepolis. D4: BT might be scum but still, WIFOM, let's go after Zakeri)This is a great argument for how Dormio is confused and his opinion changes depending on what posts he's read, as opposed to how as scum he tunnels on one person and puts his fingers in his ears. Having different reads throughout the day isn't scummy, it means he's thinking.
While it's not bad on its own, his politically correct, untelegraphed case on Zakeri today is just another example of this pattern. There's really nothing to say except the above pattern is one preferred by scum; the ability to survive from day to day holding a temporary stance with some degree of freedom as to who to lynch among the playerpool, etc. I would also be fine with lynching him today, though for now, I'd rather go for Zakeri and Conq.Isn't trashing his case on Zakeri before he's flipped just a little pre-emptive since you're voting with him? :V
In short, I still cannot bring myself to believe that Conqueror did not find PX more suspicious due to his softclaim. Not buying the reasoning that 'cop+watcher isn't that unheard of in a normal setup'; it is still an anomaly at the very least and Conq should have examined PX beyond a subjective town read. Add this to his inconsequential/scummy D2 and nullish D3, and I would certainly vote him today barring something.Oh, okay!
Zakeri's explanations of his D2 conduct are... barely fine, but the thing is that he did not keep up a solid level of activity. D2 is very mysterious for him given that he totally wasn't present to react to the softclaim and give his opinions about PX and such, and thus he's still an enigma. His D3 actions are nothing but some hate for Helepolis and a town read on Conqueror based on Helepolis flipping scum. Certainly needs to explain his position and reads more clearly.Oh.. wait.
##Vote: Zakeri
A pending vote, but consider my preference to be Conqueror regarding the lynch for today.What is this suposed to mean, anyways? Gonna get that vote out there! But it's a pretend vote because the scum is Conqueror! Your vote is a prod vote and we're suposed to just ignore it and believe you're voting Conqueror. By your own words your vote is worthless.
Bleh. I still think Dormio has the best chance of being scum, especially after last day's "I'm going to tunnel on Hele all day, also I might be starting to doubt my Conq read so look forward to that". If I don't have a clear pick yet, that's where my vote is going.
##Vote Dormio
While it's not bad on its own, his politically correct, untelegraphed case on Zakeri today is just another example of this pattern. There's really nothing to say except the above pattern is one preferred by scum; the ability to survive from day to day holding a temporary stance with some degree of freedom as to who to lynch among the playerpool, etc. I would also be fine with lynching him today, though for now, I'd rather go for Zakeri and Conq.
DoRmIoOoOoOoOo ReMeMbEr MeEeEeE? i'M cOmInG FoR yOu DoRmIoOoOoOo! YoU BeTtEr GeT ThOsE PoStS oUt ThErE ToDaY BeCaUsE It'S yOuR LaSt DaY Of FrEeDoM aHaHaHaHaHaHa!
Not totally convinced over PX's Keine Tracker thing and the way he went about the claim. But conversely, I'm willing to wait and see for a night, regardless of flavor.
@Conq: Perhaps he was a JoAT or a witch? Or maybe a one-shot cop? Things would be completely different in those cases. Without fullclaiming, PX!scum could easily fill in the blanks on subsequent days and throw us in for a loop, but after the tracker claim we were guaranteed a steady stream of results and verifiable information that could help us regardless of PX's alignment. I don't see how voting him and completely disregarding the softclaim was a useless thing. You said it yourself that PX could be Town Neighbourizer.His later justification is that we were guaranteed to get steady results that could help in determining PX's alignment. Looking through his posts that day, I never saw any indication that he didn't think of PX of scum.
Yes to the first question, at least for PX. In general I thought that, in absence of a counterclaim from BT or someone else, the pros of leaving a potential town tracker alive were better than the possibility of PX flipping scum, and that PX's results would give us the required info to make a judgement on his alignment.This doesn't jive with how you reacted to my claim. Sure dayplay, blah blah, but you also spent a large part of D2 talking about how PX's play was scummy. I still don't see the distinction. If I'm scummy enough to lynch regardless of claim, why wasn't PX?
In short, I still cannot bring myself to believe that Conqueror did not find PX more suspicious due to his softclaim. Not buying the reasoning that 'cop+watcher isn't that unheard of in a normal setup'; it is still an anomaly at the very least and Conq should have examined PX beyond a subjective town read. Add this to his inconsequential/scummy D2 and nullish D3, and I would certainly vote him today barring something.By this reasoning, lynching by flavour and balance concerns is completely valid. What of a mod who deigns to deliberately buck the trend? This is a stupid argument.
DORMIO LET'S GETNone of these bloody games will let us.MARRIEDHYDRA'D!
DoRmIoOoOoOoOo ReMeMbEr MeEeEeE? i'M cOmInG FoR yOu DoRmIoOoOoOo! YoU BeTtEr GeT ThOsE PoStS oUt ThErE ToDaY BeCaUsE It'S yOuR LaSt DaY Of FrEeDoM aHaHaHaHaHaHa!Somebody hold me. I'm scared. I don't want to die. I still have so much to live for. Like mafia.
Zakeri's reaction to getting two votes on himself seemed unnaturally angry to me.My reaction isn't to having two votes on me, though.
He didn't refute the reasoning either, all he did was assert that lynching not Helepolis/Conq would be bad.
Aside from the fact that all reads in this game are subjective, PX read as derping town to me and I felt the cases on him to be opportunistic. I have a general history of defending PX as town and lynching his ass as scum; I would know.
Again, I don't like the way you dump all of my D2 and D3 under "inconsequential"/"scummy"/"nullish". It's an easy way to discredit my posts without actually commenting on them.
By this reasoning, lynching by flavour and balance concerns is completely valid. What of a mod who deigns to deliberately buck the trend? This is a stupid argument.
This doesn't jive with how you reacted to my claim. Sure dayplay, blah blah, but you also spent a large part of D2 talking about how PX's play was scummy. I still don't see the distinction. If I'm scummy enough to lynch regardless of claim, why wasn't PX?
Not seeing what I can say against Shadoweh's one guy must be on scum-thing on me,I gave you something you could say to it. You out of all people should have a good grasp of what I'm saying. Do you agree or disagree that PX was in a weak enough position that he was likely being bussed? If in your opinion he was, which seems evident in that you were pushing him from the beginning of the day as obvious scum failing until his claim made his lynch impossible, you should be looking at Pesco but I haven't seen you mention him. If he wasn't being bussed yet in your opinion because Pesco is so town to you that there can't have possibly been scum on the scum wagon, it shouldn't be that hard for you to go back to that time and find the people who were slowly maneuvering to get onto the scum wagon in case of townie cred. There should be two, right?
Would also like to raise to Shadoweh that most of the time Dormio changed reads between days as opposed to throughout them, and in the latter case, only when the wagons he were on were no longer relevant (e.g Conq, Shadoweh D1), certainly more typical of 'reactionary scum' as opposed to 'thinking town', but that suspicion will figure another day.One could say the same of you, that you only changed wagons when the ones you were on were no longer relevant in your mind. (e.g. PX, huh what, Helepolis). Why did you change your mind in those circumstances? How were your reasons different then Dormio's?
Pesco, why is Affinity town?
It sounds stupid now that I read it again, but hey, Serelaposting~
##Vote: Affinity
Pesco, outside of a possible bus on PX, why aren't you scum? It's your turn to provide something for us mere mortals to follow after. Who's Conq's partner?
If he thought Helepolis was so scummy (and according to today he did) he could have made that much clearer by being the one to man up and switch his vote instead of waiting for the confirmed vig to do it.By the way, I couldn't have switched in the first place, because I wasn't on during the day's final hours (and wouldn't have switched earlier due to a Conq lynch being possible). In fact, I never am. 4:00 AM isn't such a friendly time at all. :(
I recall BT ruling out a Zak-Affinity team. What do you think of these two being the main wagons today? If either one is scum, is Dormio still scum with them?At this state of -complete chaos-, I can't really say what I think about Dormio-Affinity or Dormio-Zak. Hell, I'm not even sure who I'd lynch out of Affinity/Zak right now.
One could say the same of you, that you only changed wagons when the ones you were on were no longer relevant in your mind. (e.g. PX, huh what, Helepolis). Why did you change your mind in those circumstances? How were your reasons different then Dormio's?
>:< <-- angry face, not unhappy face with misplaced nose.>.<;;
At this state of -complete chaos-, I can't really say what I think about Dormio-Affinity or Dormio-Zak. Hell, I'm not even sure who I'd lynch out of Affinity/Zak right now.No, the only way we could confirm it is by asking the scum team. Perhaps if you'd been reading you would know this? Out of Affinity Zak it should be either since if you realize Dormio is town, and you seem to be holding onto Conq town, and you haven't slightly mentioned a Pesco scum, and you're following my directions as a townie, they're the only people left to be scum for you.
By the way, is the bit about scum having no daytalk confirmed?
My reaction isn't to having two votes on me, though.:/
My reaction is to people not lynching one of either Conq or Hele.
This, consequentially, is the exact reason why my case consisted of not refuting my own lynch, but asserting that not lynching them would be bad. Because it would be.
Well, that and because I really can't think of a reason not to lynch me besides "I'm town."
Conq is not a likely lynch for today from what I see, so I'd rather pursue Zakeri.See, this is the thing that makes me so suspicious of you.
Voting:If Zakeri and Conq are the scum, it would put them as third on both of PX's counter-wagons. This is plausable. It seems more dangerous though. For now I'm actually pretty satisfied with your answers. You've been after Dormio for having wavery opinions though. At this moment, why is BT town considering the way he's had no opinion at all beyond Dormio for 4 days?
PX (4): Huh What, Pesco, Affinity, nurse rawr
Huh What (3): Helepolis, PX, Zakeri
Dormio (2): BT, Bardiche
BT (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Conq
Firstly, I have reiterated the point about how Conq's BT case on D2 was bad and misreppy given the way he threw it away on D3. The most succinct conclusion I have come to regarding his D2 posting and PX/BT/rawr fuzziness is posted here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg777948.html#msg777948), which baffles me as to why he's continuing to say mistakenly that I am merely using labels such as null and scummy to describe his play.Responding to the linked post:
Secondly, I was not attacking Conq for 'not voting PX to the point of a lynch', but rather, not considering PX as scum beyond his subjective town read even despite the fact that two investigative roles in the same game should at least be unlikely. Subjective reads are merely an empty excuse for defending what became flipped scum, and scrutiny and suspicion should be given when due.>mfw
Lastly, there is a very large difference between my opinion on PX's claim and Conq's claim. In the latter case, scuminess was inherent in the claim; Conq assuming the role of watcher he claims to have makes his interactions with PX even more unforgivable in he never questioned the latter's copclaim. We did not have an already flipped scum as measure with PX.Jesus Christ PX NEVER CLAIMED COP. I did question his claim. Are you reading?
Zakeri, if Affinity is scum, who are his buddies? You've only talked about the people on the biggest lynch wagons so far.I think BT might actually be the most plausible partner. None of them were on the Serela wagon at the end of day one, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11763.msg774241.html#msg774241) which goes further in not being a target day two than, say the fact that they were all on another wagon that wouldn't flip until much later in the game. Then they split their targets with PX going after HW, BT going after Conqueror, and hyperbus affinity going after PX. I don't necessarily see Affinity's cheerleading of the conq wagon to mean Conqueror is his scumbuddy, since despite Affinity's meta, he does have to win the game after all. Getting another town lynch in before Conqueror would be that win.
If that's L-1, gonna hammer when I see Schezo is around.Taking this as the L-1 vote.
PX's wagon had a higher chance of happening than Conq's. IWhat, no it didn't. This was the point where people were flying off the PX wagon and looking for other options. There was decidedly not going to be a PX lynch by the time Affinity voted Conqueror.
And Dormio needs to post something other then he hates everything cause he said that alot as scum too. Productivity Dormio, or you'll go flying out the door!Day 5 is coming, I just got out of bed not too long ago, and I lost my fucking post. What the hell do you want?
WHAT THE HELL DOES IT TAKE TO GET KILLED IN THESE DAMN PARTS?!Something that you're lacking, apparently.
Massclaim you 'Vanilla Townies'.Already claimed Ranulf here, broskies.
...pesco, two questions. Why did you cop huhwhat on N2 and why did you not cop Conq despite the fact that you were on him for two days?
Taking it easy doesn't leave me with much time to plot behind other's backs, broskies.
Why have you got to lie about stuff like that, broskies?
Okay. Let's say you are correct then. You got an explanation for BT scum? I don't think you've ever commented on BT.
God damnit I knew something like this would happen. I knew one of you would vote the bloody other when I lived today AAAAAA. Pesco is there a past game where you were a cop I can check?
It's one of those times where the facts say one thing and gut says another. PX wasn't in any danger at the start of Day2. If myself or Affinity were scum, then our votes on PX would be overbussing since that put him as the forerunner wagon. The cred from such a move doesn't last and maintaining numbers would be far more beneficial to scum than making themselves need to survive 2 extra days. Up till there his play has been reasonable enough to me to not consider him a prime lynch target. He's an outside shot that should be policy lynched at LyLo as I would do to bofh or Kitten for surviving that long.This was Pesco when questioned about his Affinity read. During D4.
N3 - Affinity - TownThis was Pesco today.
Q: Why did you not counter PX's claim?His original claim was just that you were confirmed town. You had no reason not to agree with him about that part, regardless of role. ?_?
A: This should be a given after the first answer. I was lucky that PX revealed the full extent of his 'claim' only after I had logged off, and even more luckier (and thankful as all fuck) when Shadoweh vigged him; this meant that I did no longer have to counter PX's claim in order for people to lynch him. So, I subtly concurred with his claim in that I did not respond to it: making scum think that I am indeed vanilla, thus making me survive until today. Kinda nice, eh?
What rationale did I have behind bussing Dormio on D1? Assuming BT-Dormio-PX scumteam, what reason did we have to massbus Dormio while mostly parroting? That Dormio lynch was certainly going somewhere, and I was trying to get him lynched ever since.
Where is my claim 'unnecessary words'? I find it all essential to understand my play with it. Care to explain how your own claim fits with how you've played during the entire game, and how mine doesn't?
Sooooo.... Care for a nice chat? Unfortunately, we couldn't have Vi/Umu join us. Meh, oh well.
##Vote: Bardiche
Unconfirmed scum jerk
Judging from your play during D2, I was positive that you were going to vig HW and that a Dormio/Conq scumteam would not try to foil that, so I wasn't even considering the possibility of your NK.
I'm still waiting for Affinity, because if he's not scum with DormioHe's not scum with Dormio.
My reusable non-lethal confirmations >> your game swinger.???
Me telling the truth only confirms Dormio as scum. We don't know what scum have outside of an apparent roleblocker.This has not occurred to me yet.
Town!Pesco -> Scum!Dormio -> Scum!Affinity (Scum!Shadoweh would have hammered Town!Pesco)Or do you want me to assume that I am scum?
1. Given that no quicklynch occured for the pesco wagon even when it was at L-1; either Dormio and BT must be both scum and pesco town, or pesco is scum.This is flawed because you weren't online when Pesco was at L-1.
Despite what he might have had on me, we already have the second premise, and BT taking an unnecessary risk by voting me is totally uncalled for, especially for a townie if he is one.How is this a risk and why is it uncalled for?
Voting:Here is the wagon. I've decided this is a Let's Play color them in with our BT Dormio PX Team. BT hasn't voted yet. I don't think he'd even posted yet. Just after this, Huh what and Pesco switch to Serela, tying the wagons at 5/5. Then BT and PX post, and we get this:
Serela (3): Shadoweh, PX, Dormio
Zakeri (1): Trickysticks
Dormio (5): Affinity, Bardiche, Serela, Huh What, nurse Rawr(L-2)
Trickysticks (2): Zakeri, Conq
Huh What (1): Pesco
Voting:
Serela (4): Shadoweh, Dormio, Pesco, Huh What
Zakeri (1): Trickysticks
Dormio (6): Affinity, Bardiche, Serela, nurse Rawr, BT, PX(L-1)
Trickysticks (2): Zakeri, Conq
Voting:
Serela (7): Shadoweh, Dormio, Pesco, Huh What, Conq, Zakeri, nurse rawr
Zakeri (1): Trickysticks
Dormio (5): Affinity, Bardiche, Serela, BT, PX
嶺上開花
I'm trying to figure out if you're both scum at this point. <_<Oh yeah, this was funny. :D
yourI can type.
Day 5
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2wmpgkh.png)CONGRATULATIONS, DORMIO! YOU'RE FINALLY FREE!
Dormio - Runalf - a Vanilla Townie has won the game.
You guys ;_; It's not really safe for me to read the dead QT is it?Shadoweh for scumMVP
The scum team played a really solid game. Had it not been a townsided setup I think they would have had a great shot at victory.
You guys ;_; It's not really safe for me to read the dead QT is it?
And as for town sided setup: The doctor and watcher protected and watched Affinity. The only reason I hit scum was due to reading. All the actual scum catching after that happened in the thread, without roles. Saying it was town sided isn't really fair.
Zak maybe we should hydra. Activity problem solved!I could Hydra with a bowl of catfood and improve my activity at this point. :ohdear:
Man I'm hungry. I really should eat serela.ho-I mean get away from me D:
So who do I need to hand out those shiny things beneath their avatar?Let me know by a poll or w/e the hell. So I can hand out stuff.
Mine was taken away. Damn bastard alignment changing roles.Out your buddies to us!
Dormio deserves a Scumbag title for the excellent troll.Problem? :trollface:
Out your buddies to us!
I find it surprising I stuck with (let alone pursued) my reads after my late D4 case, because I wasn't 'sure' of anything at all.
I'm probably the most indecisive guy out there. :V
Zakeri and Catfood
Also Zak wasn't there something you wanted to say postgame?I don't know what you're talking about!
Also, RawrYes! Rawr, please play with us again. You were really good, and I loved how easy it was to tell you were town. Honestly, this game felt like a struggle just to get the lynch to stay on somebody justified.
Can't get a good read when lurking, though.The optimal way to play as a lurker is to read the entire thread, then for each thing you have a thing you think is important to say, you write a little blurb about what you're responding to, and then explain what you think it happening means about the respective player's alignments. Then spend about an hour to three hours (depending on activity) telling everyone who responds why they're wrong and you're right. Then go to bed.
Unless something is really damn obvious so it probably won't be an original read.
The optimal way to play as a lurker is to read the entire thread, then for each thing you have a thing you think is important to say, you write a little blurb about what you're responding to, and then explain what you think it happening means about the respective player's alignments. Then spend about an hour to three hours (depending on activity) telling everyone who responds why they're wrong and you're right. Then forget to post.
We never noticed BT farming up a Lothars on the courierActually you were all wrong. BT AFK farmed D4 to come back D5 with this and you guys let him do that:
Radiance late game is dumb.This is imba Radiance. Radius is 9999 and damage is tenfold.
Sooooo.... Care for a nice chat? Unfortunately, we couldn't have Vi/Umu join us. Meh, oh well.I just want to remind all of us how much we suck at mafia. BARDICHE PX IS THE NEW GAMBITEER NOW!
##Vote: Bardiche
Unconfirmed scum jerk
speakLook at this mid-lane feeder crying about enemies. Wwwwwwwwwwwwww (笑)
fucking
english
I just want to remind all of us how much we suck at mafia. BARDICHE PX IS THE NEW GAMBITEER NOW!
Dormio - Runalf - a Vanilla Townie has won the game.Wait. But my role PM said my name was Ranulf. ???
Wait. But my role PM said my name was Ranulf. ???