Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: KomeijiKoishi on July 10, 2009, 10:08:16 AM
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Recently, somebody wrote AGAIN a comment on a Touhou video asking which anime this is. After freaking out, I came to the idea of making a video, in which Touhou fans say "Touhou is NOT an anime!" in several languages. I'm pretty sure that this idea will died rather quickly because nobody's interested, but I thought I'd try it anyways.
I could do the German phrase BTW.
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I understand your frustration but do you really think it would work? Also I don't quite the problem either. The question: What anime/manga would be most common as generally most of the time they are anime or manga.
Though I could help with the Dutch and Turkish phrase =P
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One, don't assume that, bad. Two, Touhou IS an anime now, technically. Three, go on, Touhoes must be multilingual.
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@Helepolis:
I'm not like "If we are gonig to do this, nobody will post a comment like that anymore". I just thought it might be a funny idea. I was never the person who thinks before he talks.
@lgb:
Yeah, NOW. But even before Maikaze we had comments like this.
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I really don't think half the Touhou "fans" would touch the actual games with a 29 1/2 pole, so
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Well, there are official manga. Close enough. :V
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I think you are taking it all bit too serious. Touhou fandom is weird and make no sense at all. Most people say words like "cute" or "adoreable" at a certain touhou video and they get bashed/flamed like crazy. But sometimes they don't.
Same goes for the FANON/CANON among characters. People bash you for Marisa x Patchouli stuff while others love it.
I would say: Take it easy.
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What the topic said, i agree with KomejiKoishi,
touhou is not an anime.
There is seriously a wrong conception about Touhou, we shld change that.
After all, only cool kids who have awesome reflexes play touhou...
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Yeah, NOW. But even before Maikaze we had comments like this.
Yeah, that's 'cause we had TPSS.
Anyway, I really think you shouldn't let the ignorant masses get to you like this. Half the people who ask "What anime is this?" to Touhou videos are probably trolls who know it's not an anime anyway...
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Yeah, NOW. But even before Maikaze we had comments like this.
Yeah, that's 'cause we had TPSS.
Side Story? That doesn't count.
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Maikaze's doesn't count either, was it official? No.
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WHAT?! Touhou is not an anime?! :V
*The user was banned after this post
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So KomejiKoishi, let's get this started? What kind of movie it is going to be? With text and images? Only text? Which language order?
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Well, there are official manga. Close enough. :V
It's a really shit manga, though.
I really don't think half the Touhou "fans" would touch the actual games with a 29 1/2 pole, so
Ya, dat is truuu!
The shiny shiny rushed me IaMP like a bullet but it took me a LONG time to dare the shooters,myself. In the end it was Ant's fault I actually did:
"Hey bro, I just got pwnt by China :smug:"
And then I just had too, and it was awesome cause I really love them now.
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Nobody understands the languages I can provide. More correctly, the people who do understand those languages WILL assume Touhou is an anime regardless should they ever gain interest in the first place.
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You should do what I do and almost completely avoid Touhou fandom. This is also a fairly good course of action with just about any other fandom too, since most of them are fairly unbearable. Or you could find a relatively small group of people whom you can still talk about your interests to.
Also, stop reading Youtube comments.
It's a really shit manga, though.
I just don't think you can appreciate ZUN's true genius. Invading the moon to steal some sake? Absolutely flawless.
There's more than SSiB though, SaBND and EaLND are a much better and fairly enjoyable read, and show Gensokyo as the carefree, peaceful place it really is.
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I just don't think you can appreciate ZUN's true genius. Invading the moon to steal some sake? Absolutely flawless.
There's more than SSiB though, SaBND and EaLND are a much better and fairly enjoyable read, and show Gensokyo as the carefree, peaceful place it really is.
Probably not. But I haven't really read that one. InabaXInaba kinda took away all my wish to dwelve in further on in official/pseudo-official stuff. I'm safer just dodging bullets
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"Hey bro, I just got pwnt by China :smug:"
Noob times, noob times :V
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I have no problem with people asking about Touhou and mistaken it for an anime if they never heard of the series whatsoever (as is, they JUST found out about the game through that video). They have no knowledge about it whatsoever. You can't really blame them =/.
Now it's the people who DO KNOW about Touhou, are completely aware of the series, and STILL call it an anime.
Isn't there a video on someone who called it an anime and said that Touhou sucks?
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All of this was caused by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing. You can literally link the entire fandom explosion back to when MSTPT got posted on 4chan's /f/ and then made its way over to YouTube. All you need to do is convince IOSYS to make a song called "Touhou is not an anime" with an accompanying flash, and BAM! Everyone will believe it. Baka baka.
Isn't there a video on someone who called it an anime and said that Touhou sucks?
"This Is Not An Anime Podcast!" has had a segment called Anime Sucks: Touhou Edition.
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"This Is Not An Anime Podcast!" has had a segment called Anime Sucks: Touhou Edition.
You know Youtube's search engine really sucks =/. That video was a huge facepalm
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Anyone remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiI6Tg1KohM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiI6Tg1KohM)?
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Anyone remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiI6Tg1KohM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiI6Tg1KohM)?
old :V
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So KomejiKoishi, let's get this started? What kind of movie it is going to be? With text and images? Only text? Which language order?
I more thought about recording with a webcam or camera pointing into the camera and saying "Touhou is NOT an anime!" in the language. But it's just an idea...
BTW, you and I are the only ones who actually agreed. The rest is just arguing.
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BTW, you and I are the only ones who actually agreed. The rest is just arguing.
...yyeeeeaaahhh.... We feel your rage but can't really be bothered u.u
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BTW, you and I are the only ones who actually agreed. The rest is just arguing.
...yyeeeeaaahhh.... We feel your rage but can't really be bothered u.u
...And I think you're overreacting to a bunch of idiots and trolls. But that's just me.
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You should do what I do and almost completely avoid Touhou fandom.
Wise words!
I only like playing. I don't like fan-whatever... =P
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I don't feel like taking it too serious either but on the other hand it could be fun though. Even if we don't care it will still bait those little kids who will take the video too serious and start whining/flaming.
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Eh, I wouldn't worry about it that much, at least YOU know it's not an anime and when you get down to it, that's really all that matters.
Just my opinion.
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All of this was caused by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing. You can literally link the entire fandom explosion back to when MSTPT got posted on 4chan's /f/ and then made its way over to YouTube. All you need to do is convince IOSYS to make a song called "Touhou is not an anime" with an accompanying flash, and BAM! Everyone will believe it. Baka baka.
Isn't there a video on someone who called it an anime and said that Touhou sucks?
"This Is Not An Anime Podcast!" has had a segment called Anime Sucks: Touhou Edition.
And here I thought I was the only one who thought about Iosys.
Yes, the only way to ever get people to understand that it's not an anime, would be if Iosys made a flash about it.
When I think about it, it could actually be pretty awesome. I can picture it just right now.
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This sounds like a great idea, if your goal is to encourage trolls. People say dumb crap on YouTube; just ignore the comments. Might even be a FF that blocks them.
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Huh.
This topic made me play the song "Anime ja Nai" in my head.
Maybe, if you manage to get something out of the ground, you could use this song.
Just a suggestion, tho. I do the same as half the people that has posted here and just ignore them.
In fact, I encourage you to do the same, and to listen that song. It's awesome. :V
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why do you even care
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I wonder what the reactions would be:
"WAIT, TOUHOU WASNT AN ANIME?"
"WAIT, YUYUKO IS ACTUALLY A DANGEROUS GHOST?"
<insert more shocking discoveries>
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I wonder what the reactions would be:
"WAIT, TOUHOU WASNT AN ANIME?"
"WAIT, YUYUKO IS ACTUALLY A DANGEROUS GHOST?"
<insert more shocking discoveries>
"WAIT, WRIGGLE IS A GIRL!?"
"WAIT, RAN AND CHEN AREN'T CONSIDERED FURRIES!?"
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I'm still shocked by the fact Touhou isn't an anime :'(
*The user was banned again after this post
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"WAIT, WRIGGLE IS A GIRL!?"
... ... ...
"WAIT, KOISHI IS... Um... Uh..."
...Damn, I can't think of anything!
And of course Wriggle's a girl! A beautiful girl! A wonderful, sexy, delicious...
*The user drowned in his own drool*
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Hey guys. I just thought I'd point you at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BY4DKz-zw
So at least the Japanese can know.
And really, you all overreact to this too much. How many of us can honestly say we never thought Touhou was or had an anime, even for a little bit? I can't.
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Hey guys. I just thought I'd point you at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BY4DKz-zw
So at least the Japanese can know.
And really, you all overreact to this too much. How many of us can honestly say we never thought Touhou was or had an anime, even for a little bit? I can't.
NOT ME DAMNIT! *raaaage*...
Personally I don't really care, and really, I would expect I would have made this mistake if I ever watched anime or read manga or whatever.
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*Goes to make troll video about how touhou is the best animu ever and how I'm going to name all my kids after touhous even if they are boys.*
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"WAIT, RAN AND CHEN AREN'T CONSIDERED FURRIES!?"
Nope, they are most definitely furries.
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Hey guys. I just thought I'd point you at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BY4DKz-zw
So at least the Japanese can know.
And really, you all overreact to this too much. How many of us can honestly say we never thought Touhou was or had an anime, even for a little bit? I can't.
Someone can just sub that one and reupload, and we'll be done with this thread. :V
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"WAIT, RAN AND CHEN AREN'T CONSIDERED FURRIES!?"
Nope, they are most definitely furries.
Ears and tails are fine, but full fur is crossing the line.
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"WAIT, RAN AND CHEN AREN'T CONSIDERED FURRIES!?"
Nope, they are most definitely furries.
Ears and tails are fine, but full fur is crossing the line.
requesting that one pic illustrating the difference using percents
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(http://safebooru.donmai.us/data/sample/sample-16ff78261b40b8be30b548db58e66381.jpg)
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Well those are just animals in clothes. :P
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Hey guys. I just thought I'd point you at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BY4DKz-zw
So at least the Japanese can know.
And really, you all overreact to this too much. How many of us can honestly say we never thought Touhou was or had an anime, even for a little bit? I can't.
...I swear I was thinking on posting this two hours ago while I was buying stuff. For real.
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The idea you have are fine in theory but i really doubt it will make anything different.
And really, you all overreact to this too much. How many of us can honestly say we never thought Touhou was or had an anime, even for a little bit? I can't.
Not everyone gets into this series through flash videos. It wasn't until after a month of playing i got the idea that there might be an anime around for it. At that point, there wasn't. Just those flashes. There is now, but i'd say that there should be more than just one episode before it should be considered anything worth mentioning.
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i couldn't care less if people thought Touhou is an anime.
hell, tbh i think people who wanna make a video for the sole purpose of telling people that it isn't an anime are overreacting a bit. just my opinion, don't mind me
(i never thought Touhou was an anime. my first thought was that it was a JRPG o.O)
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seriously, i really think people should stop calling touhou an anime if they don?t know about it...
(15:54) Danielu Yoshikoto: (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/P9DRboDn9bs/0.jpg)
(15:55) -Name Obmitted-: Japanese Animes
(15:55) -Name Obmitted-: OH BOY
(15:55) Danielu Yoshikoto: actually that is not from an anime
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But seriously, Touhou is pretty anime, so that chatlog is perfectly fine.
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Well here's the phrase in different languages if any1 is gonna make it.
English: "Touhou is not an anime!!!"
German: "Touhou ist nicht ein anime!!!"
French: "Touhou n'est pas un anime!!!"
Portuguese: "O Touhou n?o ? um anime!!!"
Spanish: "??El Touhou no es un anime!!"
Italian: "Touhou non ? un anime!!!"
Dutch: "Touhou is geen anime!!!"
Greek: "Το Touhou δεν είναι ένα anime!!!"
Swedish: "Touhou ?r inte en anime!!!"
Arabic: "[تووهوو] ليس [أنيم]!!!"
Japanese: "東方ーは!!ない!"
Korean: "동부쪽 쇼는 없다!!!"
Chinese (simplified): "东部的不展示!!!"
Chinese (traditional): "東部的不展示!!!"
Lol one character difference between traditional and simplified
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Portuguese: "Touhou n?o ? um anime!!!"
No article here. (-O)
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Chinese (simplified): "东部的不展示!!!"
Chinese (traditional): "東部的不展示!!!"
Oh wow, the Chinese ones are way off.
It says something like "Eastern's not displayed." :V
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Korean: "동부쪽 쇼는 없다!!!"
I'm not the best at Korean, but I don't think this makes sense. :S
I think 東方 was translated as "Towards the east" which only makes sense when translating it literally, as opposed to simply using it as the name of the Touhou series. As a result, it looks like it says something like "There are no shows to the east!" I think something like "토호 는 아니메 안이다!" would be better, where instead of reading 東方 with Korean readings it's simply said as "Touhou".
Edit: Hate to nit-pick, but "東方ーは!!ない!" is missing the "anime" part of the sentence. I'm assuming you were going for something like "東方 は アニメじゃない!"?
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In the name of ZUN, stop this. These people should never be Touhou fans. It's best to let them remain ignorant.
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Same article thing with Spanish. I don't think there's an El there.
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In the name of ZUN, stop this. These people should never be Touhou fans. It's best to let them remain ignorant.
Most of them probably just go, "Omg not Animu don't care." And toss chips in the air.
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German: "Touhou ist nicht ein anime!!!"
I'm gonna correct this...
"Touhou is kein Anime!"
BTW...
After calming down, I now realized how stupid (most of the) people on Youtube are and stopped bitching around. So, if anybody's gonna do it, it's not me anymore.
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Turkish: Touhou anime değil!!!
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I dunno, getting mad at someone for that is like getting mad at someone who has never taken a geometry class and pronounces sine (usually shortened as "sin" on a calculator) as sin. It's an honest mistake, and I don't think getting mad at them is justified. Well, unless they actually are trolling, in which case they're just waiting for someone to get mad, so yeah.
tl;dr version. Sorta... (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h238/Andreshi/Touhou/Spellcard.png)
Anyways, instead of making a video about what Touhou is not, wouldn't it be more effective to make a video what it is? I dunno, just saying.
Also yeah, the "El" in the Spanish translation isn't suppose to be there. It's essentially saying "The Touhou is not an anime."
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There exists a video explaining what Touhou is, but just in Japanese.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BY4DKz-zw
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BTW...
After calming down, I now realized how stupid (most of the) people on Youtube are and stopped bitching around. So, if anybody's gonna do it, it's not me anymore.
Nah, this thread has nothing to do with your idea anymore. Rather it's a random bored translation thread
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If they ask what Anime Touhou is, just say "Bleach" or something
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If they ask what Anime Touhou is, just say "Bleach" or something
If everybody in the fandom started using a preset answer like this, maybe we could get on to something.
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If they ask what Anime Touhou is, just say "Bleach" or something
No Naruto for the vast amounts of Narutards out there.
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Touhou is cartoons
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Touhou is dying, dying, surviving a little, and dying some more.
Some players *coughmecough* die more than others, but either way; fun is had. And that's what really matters.
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When are the new eps of Touhou getting subed? I want to see if Ichirin's sisteris really the big bad.
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TOUHOU IS...
...ACTION
...SEXY GIRLS
...STRAIGHT FROM JAPAN
...NOT KIDS' STUFF
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If they ask what Anime Touhou is, just say "Bleach" or something
No Naruto for the vast amounts of Narutards out there.
This is thread win. Should have thought of that.
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Touhou is an obscure late-1970s anime featuring giant flying space robots battling for supremacy of the galaxy. It was the first anime to feature a soundtrack by Western bands, among them Billy Squire, Foreigner and Cheap Trick.
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If they ask what Anime Touhou is, just say "Bleach" or something
Close enough.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/EXslowbro/Nobodydiesinbleach-1.png)
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/EXslowbro/nobodydiesintouhou-1.jpg)
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Side Story did the Shirou thing on purpose, though.
Or it was just the subbers.
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French: Touhou n'est pas un anime! Alors ALLEZ VOUS FAIRE FOUTRE
(Touhou is not an anime! So GO FUCK YOURSELVES)
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German: Touhou ist kein Gott verdammter Anime! Animes sind dumm!
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Al Bhed: Touhou ec HUD yh yhesa!
...Hey, it might come in handy. Who knows?
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I dunno, getting mad at someone for that is like getting mad at someone who has never taken a geometry class and pronounces sine (usually shortened as "sin" on a calculator) as sin. It's an honest mistake, and I don't think getting mad at them is justified. Well, unless they actually are trolling, in which case they're just waiting for someone to get mad, so yeah.
tl;dr version. Sorta... (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h238/Andreshi/Touhou/Spellcard.png)
Anyways, instead of making a video about what Touhou is not, wouldn't it be more effective to make a video what it is? I dunno, just saying.
Also yeah, the "El" in the Spanish translation isn't suppose to be there. It's essentially saying "The Touhou is not an anime."
Agreed 100% (the third comment in that screencap is mine). Sure, some of the people asking might just be trolls, but there are bound to be far more people who simply do not know (since it can be very hard to tell that Touhou if your only exposure to it is through youtube videos). Giving them a calm, straight answer is the best course of action, since it will both bore the trolls and inform people who may actually be interested in the games.
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Al Bhed: Touhou ec HUD yh yhesa!
...Hey, it might come in handy. Who knows?
You win an internet.
I seriously need to rekindle my efforts at learning how to actually converse in Al Bhed (just to weird-out/piss-off people to no end).
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French: Touhou n'est pas un anime! Alors ALLEZ VOUS FAIRE FOUTRE
(Touhou is not an anime! So GO FUCK YOURSELVES)
DH, next time do an audio recording of that with you sexy french voice <3
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I love how I switched ppl to the translation deal. I used a crappy translator anyway, so I knew it would probably be wrong.
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One, don't assume that, bad. Two, Touhou IS an anime now, technically. Three, go on, Touhoes must be multilingual.
The Unnoficial Touhou Anime was made by fans. Without any help by ZUN. ZUN even forced them to call it the Unnoficial Touhou anime.
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German: Touhou ist kein Gott verdammter Anime! Animes sind dumm!
Genau! Lest weiter Mangas!
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U.N.Official was Anime?
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You guys will probably kill me for this....but I thought it was a anime when I first saw IOSYS's Oyome ni shinasai video
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You guys will probably kill me for this....but I thought it was a anime when I first saw IOSYS's Oyome ni shinasai video
Same thing for me except it was when when I saw IOSYS's Overdrive video.
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Thing is that I didn't bother to find out what the flash was a parody of, so I just let it go.
It's when I saw Moogy's single image that he posted over at FFR that interested me (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/profile/Moogy/photos/296/)
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I thought Touhou was a project of IOSYS cuz of OverDrive and MSTPT, then an anime after watching Artificial Children PV.
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I would have punched the whole lot of you in the face.
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Aww geeze, not to be rude but don't you think such a video would be a bit obnoxiously inconsiderate? I mean the first Touhou exposure is usually as a result of randomly bumping into the related fan works, as either a direct or indirect result of the fandom of something else. It's not like Touhou is famous to the point where you'd have to live on Mars to avoid it. In fact, I'd say it's really just a cult classic at best.
The conclusion that it might be from an anime isn't even that far fetched either, considering that the overwhelming majority of its fanworks are anime styled, suggesting such an origin source. To be completely fair, most people find out about something like this from a more informative sources, such as advertisements, informative articles or through friends for a few examples. Pictures and fan animations don't really inform one of much and the doujin manga could be misleading. Even I.a.M.P. and S.W.R.'s sprites follow the stylistic enough to imagine there might be an underlying source that isn't a game. Consider Melty Blood's own origins with the visual novel Tsukihime and the considerable number of custom made MUGEN characters for a moment.
By asking the question they're already admitting they don't know where its from and would like to enlighten themselves as to the origin. The annoyed shouting out of what Touhou isn't doesn't help them find out what it is in the least. Politely answering the question asked by saying something like "X is from the Touhou series of games." on the other hand does both. I agree with some of the others; the mistake is completely one-hundred percent understandable. This is why I think what basically amounts to a blatant "You are wrong!" video would be rude. In fact I think it would make the whole Touhou fan community, worldwide, look like a bunch of jerks to be quite frank.
Oh, by the way, before you even think it; no, I never asked the question as phrased. I mostly lurked around places and learned about it through osmosis, though I do recall a friend of mine telling details me about the games themselves ages ago. It was so far into the past that the details are kinda sketchy for me.
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Aww geeze, not to be rude but don't you think such a video would be a bit obnoxiously inconsiderate?
This is exactly what I think about the whole matter. There is no reason to get all bent out of shape about people thinking that it's anime.
Anyways, instead of making a video about what Touhou is not, wouldn't it be more effective to make a video what it is? I dunno, just saying.
This is the course of action that should be taken.
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It's not that hard to do at least a simple bit of research, and the sheer amount of people who ask is what enervates me, not the actual fact. I mean, even if they assume it's an anime or whatever else, if you're interested, you look for it. Well, not entirely. I do get annoyed at a certain point, in IoSYS videos and the like because they want it for the kawaii and not for the awesome. Also I get terribly annoyed when it's mistaken as something made by IoSYS and all the songs are said to be made by IoSYS. Like holy shit most of their stuff isn't that good at all you stupid faggots.
Imo, giving them a rude response is probably good preparation for some of the communities.
I do agree this movement is pretty retarded. Instead, maybe link them to that video Bastille/co. did at AE09.
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Danish: Touhou er ikke en anime.
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I do get annoyed at a certain point, in IoSYS videos and the like because they want it for the kawaii and not for the awesome. Also I get terribly annoyed when it's mistaken as something made by IoSYS and all the songs are said to be made by IoSYS. Like holy shit most of their stuff isn't that good at all you stupid faggots.
I'll grant you that IOSYS's output is indeed a mixed bag with plenty of misses for every hit, but I don't think IOSYS is all about the kawaii. Look at the videos for Flower of the Sun and Border of Death, for two examples. Not to mention the numerous tracks without videos that are based more on metal or prog rock.
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Personally, I think the problem stems more from people's laziness to do their own research rather than the huge number of touhou-related materials producing misconceptions.(<-- also something ZUN was worried about)
Honestly, I also thought touhou was an anime the first time I watched Marisa Stole The Precious Thing but unlike the rest of the lazy tards, it only took me one google search to figure out its true origins and that only took less than a minute of simple effort.
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You need a launching point to do research. Hat with Eyes and Girl with Scythe may speak volumes to us but not so much to Google. In fact, while it can be informative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOSYS), many of the links in a google search for IOSYS (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=CbC&q=iosys&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=JsFaSo2PHJDssQO6gNXvDQ&resnum=4&sa=N&tab=vw) refer to a windows boot file. IoSYS' own website is in japanese to compound matters. You could search for a name in Japanese but many of them have more than one use. Sure, you could search for a character name, assuming if you're lucky enough to have one that isn't something ambiguous like Yukari (http://safebooru.donmai.us/post/show/183823/a-azumanga_daiou-black_eyes-brown_hair-oekaki-raku), Ran (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ran) or Suika (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suika). Even with the non-ambiguous, when you first see the word Touhou, are you supposed to automatically think it means something? I'd personally assume it's just confusing jargon until told otherwise, especially since every fictional series ever seems to have its own.
Basically, I believe it's a harder question then it seems to us already in the know and really, since when has asking questions not been a legitimate part of research? Oh sure, it may be one thing when you have an informative source such as an F.A.Q. document or a descriptive introduction is readily available to you but usually people come in with close to nothing. Let's have some kindness and understanding towards newbies who seek enlightenment.
Regarding the sheer volume, that's merely a statistical matter. If hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people come across something so obscure, quite a large number of them are bound to be confused. Just ignore it and be all the happier. It's no one person's job or responsibility to answer these sorts of questions.
On the off topic, I too think IoSYS sucks. I'm glad not to be the only one. Too many of their works makes Zun's masterful but already high pace music much too hyper and flattens the melody. Their vocal sound effects are especially grating to my ears. They have a handful of nice songs but those really are atypical of them. I guess there's a certain WTF factor to the typical IoSYS piece but otherwise I don't really see why they're so popular. I've always been bad at seeing why popular music is popular though, I guess my tastes are just too refined or something... Even the accompanying animations to their earlier more popular works are kinda weak, though I guess that's more of a reality of Flash than anything else.
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I do get annoyed at a certain point, in IoSYS videos and the like because they want it for the kawaii and not for the awesome. Also I get terribly annoyed when it's mistaken as something made by IoSYS and all the songs are said to be made by IoSYS. Like holy shit most of their stuff isn't that good at all you stupid faggots.
I'll grant you that IOSYS's output is indeed a mixed bag with plenty of misses for every hit, but I don't think IOSYS is all about the kawaii. Look at the videos for Flower of the Sun and Border of Death, for two examples. Not to mention the numerous tracks without videos that are based more on metal or prog rock.
I know, and the ones that are actually good I love to bits, particularly Flower of the Sun. Most people want it for the kawaii. Even some of the kawaii ones I like. But frustrating people will be frustrating.
Recent Youtube bantering on a FotS video.
Some guy (-1):
iosys makes this kind of music? what the fuck?!
well its pretty good >_>
Me (-6):
Why is this thumbed down? In all seriousness, 70% of IoSYS's stuff is pretty shit. This song was one of the greatest in a long, long time, and I for one was surprised when they came out with something so daring and epic.
Some kawaii (+1):
so u dont like the cute music?? i do! LOL. but it can get old fast.
Some hobo:
nah i actually like this song alot too.
lulz
Me (+1):
No no no, this song is amazing. Quite a few of their songs are fairly nice. Most of the heavily advertised arranges such as Marisa Stole etcetc, Cucumber-Flavored HNNNGH, Usatei and GIANT SWING are pretty good, even some with the dog whistle voices.
But stuff like the rest of Souyuu Shinpi and Tsukitoro Safe! aren't that great at all. I find it frustrating how people tend to go OH NO YOU DON'T LIKE IOSYS? No, you're just not listening to half the music they release. Really, people.
etc
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Oh god, this thread has become way too serious. Kind of funny while most people said: "ignore them, don't take it serious" and yet it is going quite tense. XD Take it easy!
Here is the original thread (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=91479.msg800231#msg800231) where I asked what anime / parody it was from. So yea, feel free to shoot me but that is logical thought like Gpop said.
From that point on, my life went down the hill and thus I ended up here.
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Honestly, I also thought touhou was an anime the first time I watched Marisa Stole The Precious Thing but unlike the rest of the lazy tards, it only took me one google search to figure out its true origins and that only took less than a minute of simple effort.
one google search
one google search
THIS. A million fucking times. Chances are if you see something on the net, there will be a name for it or at least something indicating what it is or where it's from. It's honestly not that hard to do a bit of detective work. All you need is one name, tag or a piece of URL and you have enough to get the ball rolling. Even looking through comments can harvest a tonne of information you can use.
If it took me a mere 10 minutes to find the the entire album to the first song in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzspEntRA28), it shouldn't take very long to find greater leads to the source material to something like Touhou, mostly because the video will probably have huge entrails of related videos.
There's few instances when you'll truly be at a dead end. If the image, video or song in question has absolutely no tags, no meaningful file name, no description and is completely devoid of anything then yes, that's fair enough.
a google search for (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=CbC&q=iosys&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=JsFaSo2PHJDssQO6gNXvDQ&resnum=4&sa=N&tab=vw) IOSYS refer to a windows boot file
But the first link is the Wikipedia page! The last.fm (http://www.last.fm/music/IOSYS) page also has a link to ZUN, which also has a link to Team Shanghai Alice's Wikipedia page. The second video result says "IOSYS|Toho Project 7 Perfect Cherry Blossom ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_3iZwPmSm8)", 'Toho Project' being the obvious keyword here.
There's three straight forward leads to the source material right there. It's either laziness or incompetence.
I know I'm probably sounding like a huge dick here, but nothing annoys me more than people who are completely unable to find something when the answer is staring directly at them.
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*raises hand*
So... Shouldn't one of us go fetch that "what is toho?" video and translate it to english? It annoys me that the only translations of it I found were in Brazilian.
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LOL @ YouTube comments. And I feel your frustration - seems to be an all-or-nothing orthodoxy with any band. Which makes no sense in our age of individual tracks instead of LPs.
Tonepoet: I don't know about you, but when I google "touhou", the top results I get are the Wikipedia page, the Touhou wiki, and replay vids. I think that suffices. Don't really see why we need to make greater efforts to optimize already easily available information. Some might say it's a fine filter.
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Expecting a person asking "What Anime is this?" to perform a websearch on the word Touhou before receiving an answer is somewhat paradoxical, don't you think? It's expecting the answer to be self-evident and while in some cases it probably should be, in others its quite hard. A variable difficulty question, pendent on circumstance, I might say.
In regards to Emarrel, I feel it's important to state that by no means did I ever mean to imply that it's impossible to come across the answer with adequate research. Just to convey how the research might possibly have some difficulties. To filter out red herrings and irrelevant results, one has to be have adequate knowledge in the related subject area to pick and choose which information is useful and which isn't. Sometimes it can be obvious, other times it may not and what exactly is can vary from individual to individual, pendant on exact circumstance. Especially when it comes to the IO.SYS file. :P (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYiZKLPj2Fo&feature=related)
I also must ask what circumstances is research most appropriate in? I think there's a bit of an opinion difference in just how evident something should be. I think we can agree it'd be spammish if somebody were to ask such a question here, where Touhou is the key purpose and surrounds them with every step they take. On YouTube however? It's not exactly the most informative site. The research is possible, I'll grant that but is it efficient or expected? I'm not so sure I'd hold people to those standards myself. The linked Marisa Stole the Precious Thing video is pretty informative, though it's hardly the only one on Youtube and even if it was, what does Hatsune Miku have to do with it?
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Wow. Wordswordswords.
"Touhou" being the most common tag with any IOSYS vid, chances are good they'll Google it. Even if they don't, it's been pretty much established that googling "IOSYS" brings up the Wikipedia article on the doujin group and numerous YouTube videos. If someone's searching for "iosys" after seeing Marisa Stole the Precious Thing, and these are the top results they get, chances are they'll get the picture and aren't going to wonder about boot files and such. Unless you like to complicate your life by being deliberately obtuse, that is. Beyond that, I don't understand the motivation behind trying to make it easier to discover what Touhou is. It's extremely easy as it is. Why the bloviation?
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Sorry if I'm being too vocal, please don't take it the wrong way. I just personally believe it's better to take the time to make a well presented thought on a forum, considering it's a non-time limited format. I consider myself more verbose than obtuse. I suppose that's more of a cup half-empty, cup half-full matter though, isn't it? Regardless, I can make a short, concise point (or in this case two) if needed:
One needs to realize those are our key words first and that might be hard to discern at first glance. By the time somebody has passed the threshold of figuring it out, couldn't asking have been better?
As for point two, I think I've been misunderstood. I could actually care less if it becomes easier to learn about Touhou, there are better means to that end. What I'm concerned about the is the apparent hostility towards the questioners here. I hope to speak for the voiceless here, in order to illicit a better understanding of them.
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@tonepoet
Just look at it this way then:
A person asking about something is normal but the problem happens when hundreds ask the very same question over and over again. Some people try to avoid being a cause of this type of annoyance by putting their own effort into figuring out the answer to that question by themselves first before actually asking it to other people.
If you have been to plenty of forums, you'll notice that the most common and enforced rule in all of them is "use the search function first before posting your own thread". Imagine yourself as a moderator of a forum and majority of the threads are all titled with "What is this [insert subject]?" then ask yourself how you yourself would feel during that situation. Not only is your forum being flooded with redundant threads but you also come to realize that your community is full of lazy bums.
The principle is basically the same here. To put it simply: The problem isn't the question they are asking but the laziness of the questioners.
Personally, though, I doubt putting out the video will help much. People will still have to find that video after all. Normally, they'll simply post their question on the comment box of the touhou-related material they just watched. If they won't even bother to use a Search Engine, most likely that they probably won't be able to find this video that they can find using a Search Engine.
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I am greatly aware of this but there are differences in setting that make searching a bit more difficult, which I've been trying to point out for several posts now. I'll paint one last verbose picture of how I view the scenario and bow out of discussion in this thread, as I think I may've gotten to the point where I'm hurting my view more than I'm helping it. Braer Poet has punched the Tar Baby. >_<
When you come to a forum with a question or problem, you usually already know quite a bit about the situation and can describing in a way that somebody else who may've asked priorly already has. You have the prerequisites to use the search function already, which is there and there for a reason. Similarly if there are FAQs you can check to address your problem, all the better. Having two duplicate topics about the same thing on a forum is a waste of space. That is assuming your question isn't super simple, to the point where your lack of descriptiveness makes it unintelligible spam that nobody can help you with.
When you stumble upon something cool like Touhou on Youtube or a picture on a site, suddenly you're at a loss for words to describe it. There is no intelligible way to describe it. For various reason, one may or may not see things that stand out about the topic which can either help or befuddle people further, making it akin to a tech unsavvy individual reading a VCR manual. The conversatory atmosphere in Youtube comments is also a lot more lax, changing the definition of spam. This is because neither informativeness or text discussion are the site's main purpose and there are no official forums to socialize in. In a terse and informal social entertainment setting, are we to expect everyone to watch multiple videos, checking the tags of each to find common links like a scholar, before they can ask a simple question to people who likely already know? I'm not sure how others feel but I personally feel this is a bit overly expectant of the average Touhou newbie.
Long story short, I believe it all boils down to the context of the setting. The less information you're initially provided with, the more understandable the question is. Likewise, the less self-evident it is, the more understandable. YouTube's about a medium on both accounts I'd estimate. Also on this particular note, the question phrasing is also a part of the context as I believe "What is Touhou?" should be a far more self evident question than "What anime is this?" due to the uniqueness of Touhou as a series name/word. That's all I think I can say on the matter, later guys.
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http://www.pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/363139.html
>http://iqdb.org or http://iqdb.hanyuu.net An image search site. Use these to find cleaner or higher resolution versions of certain images, or the artist of a certain picture. For pictures from a video, take a screenshot, crop it, then run it through iqdb.
...And you know the rest. Case and point, pretty much.
It's totally fine to think the way you are, though. Don't take offense.
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Sorry if I'm being too vocal, please don't take it the wrong way.
My "wordswordswords" remark was more a gentle teasing than a criticism. It's something people do around here. You're welcome to draw out your point with as much protracted explanation as you please. I'm not trying to tell you how to write. Just pokin' a little fun there.
One needs to realize those are our key words first and that might be hard to discern at first glance.
... unless someone looks at the title of the video or under the "tags" heading of the video. As has been pointed out, a simple Google search of "Touhou" or "IOSYS" gives top results than pretty much spell out everything you'd need to know. This is what I meant about being deliberately obtuse - a person would have to ignore the top search engine results for "iosys" and instead focus on the more obscure articles about boot files to get the impressions that you're describing. To put it bluntly, a person would have to be pretty dense to not be able to work out what a YouTube video is all about, even after Googling the tags.
As for point two, I think I've been misunderstood. I could actually care less if it becomes easier to learn about Touhou, there are better means to that end. What I'm concerned about the is the apparent hostility towards the questioners here. I hope to speak for the voiceless here, in order to illicit a better understanding of them.
Ah, I wouldn't see it as hostility as just general nerdrage. I wouldn't make too much out of it. But yeah, someone seeing an IOSYS vid posts the comment "What anime is this?" without bothering to Google any of the tags - a pretty basic thing you learn to do within months of discovering the internet - then they're pretty much the sort of incurious person who won't lift the most basic effort to figure something out, which is why the scenarios you conjure where the average internet user faces a complicated mazelike scenario when trying to figure out what the backstory of a YouTube video is doesn't ring true to a lot of people here.
I understand you're trying to show another side to this whole thing, but the other side is pretty much, "I can't be arsed to Google the video's title or its tags, so instead I'm going to post comments under a video asking others to be my personal search engine." Some people like to be the Answer Man and are more than happy to help. Most people though, as mark2000 pointed out, get tired of hearing the same question asked over and over, especially when that question can be very quickly and easily answered - ironically, often taking less effort than posting a YouTube comment.
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@Tonepoet
I just found out why we can't agree on each other. Basically, it's because the rest of the people here do not find it hard to acquire proper research information from youtube videos whether they had initial knowledge of the visual material or otherwise. I personally never experienced performing complex procedures just to root out the right word or phrase from a single or multiple videos. We also do not think youtube comment conversations are so lax that it becomes difficult to share or even search for proper information. So in essence, it's not the site that's the problem, its the laziness of the people using the site.
When you come to a forum with a question or problem, you usually already know quite a bit about the situation and can describing in a way that somebody else who may've asked priorly already has. You have the prerequisites to use the search function already, which is there and there for a reason. Similarly if there are FAQs you can check to address your problem, all the better. Having two duplicate topics about the same thing on a forum is a waste of space. That is assuming your question isn't super simple, to the point where your lack of descriptiveness makes it unintelligible spam that nobody can help you with.
Like I said before, we are talking about people who can't even put an effort into doing anything you just mentioned before asking their questions.
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You guys will probably kill me for this....but I thought it was a anime when I first saw IOSYS's Oyome ni shinasai video
Same thing for me except it was when when I saw IOSYS's Overdrive video.
Overdrive
ಠ_ಠ
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You guys will probably kill me for this....but I thought it was a anime when I first saw IOSYS's Oyome ni shinasai video
Same thing for me except it was when when I saw IOSYS's Overdrive video.
Overdrive
ಠ_ಠ
It was posted over at FFR =/.
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You guys will probably kill me for this....but I thought it was a anime when I first saw IOSYS's Oyome ni shinasai video
Same thing for me except it was when when I saw IOSYS's Overdrive video.
Overdrive
ಠ_ಠ
It was posted over at FFR =/.
That doesn't change the fact that the name of the song is It Stops At The Affected Aread And Dissolves Immefiately - Lunatic Udongein.
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That doesn't change the fact that the name of the song is It Stops At The Affected Aread And Dissolves Immefiately - Lunatic Udongein.
but that's really really long, ususaly isn't translated in the title, and doesn't apear anywhere in the video, so most people call it "Overdrive" becouse it's the first english word you see.
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You guys will probably kill me for this....but I thought it was a anime when I first saw IOSYS's Oyome ni shinasai video
Same thing for me except it was when when I saw IOSYS's Overdrive video.
Overdrive
ಠ_ಠ
It was posted over at FFR =/.
That doesn't change the fact that the name of the song is It Stops At The Affected Aread And Dissolves Immefiately - Lunatic Udongein.
I'm totally aware of that, but as HatKuma035 said, it's too long to type out, so I like to call it Overdrive instead =/.
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Damn one of iosys's video was tagged under 'anime' ;_;
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Need English-Japanese translations? Sounds like my cue.
So I gave it a shot to translate the entire clip mentioned above.
It's highly possible to contain weird English. Feel free to post corrections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGegCta6F1o
I feel... so... exhausted now...
I'm off to bed, good night folks...
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Need English-Japanese translations? Sounds like my cue.
So I gave it a shot to translate the entire clip mentioned above.
It's highly possible to contain weird English. Feel free to post corrections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGegCta6F1o
I feel... so... exhausted now...
I'm off to bed, good night folks...
orz
Bookmarked for posterity.
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Need English-Japanese translations? Sounds like my cue.
So I gave it a shot to translate the entire clip mentioned above.
It's highly possible to contain weird English. Feel free to post corrections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGegCta6F1o
I feel... so... exhausted now...
I'm off to bed, good night folks...
orz
Bookmarked for posterity.
Seconded.
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Animesuki are being anal over Touhou's status. I had a thread on Touhou merchandise trashed because it was posted in the "Wrong forum" (The Games frum) I pointed out to the over-moderator Xris that this is absurd because then the Touhou images thread should be moved too, and he moved that too.
This is just kinda crazy. Just because there's one episode of Touhou as an anime doesn't make it an anime. It's a game first, and series of comics and short stories second.
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Hahaha, that's hilarious. A couple fan-made cartoons are made and they get all confused.
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Maybe I should make a Touhou information thread or something explaining the whole thing. I doubt the mods would read it though. I hate people you can't reason with.
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Animesuki
Well, there's your problem! Funny thing is, the Touhou anime isn't even official. It was a doujin anime and they think that it should be considered as a full anime by that. If that was indeed the case then Touhou Side Story should count as well. Silly humans...
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Need English-Japanese translations? Sounds like my cue.
So I gave it a shot to translate the entire clip mentioned above.
It's highly possible to contain weird English. Feel free to post corrections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGegCta6F1o
I feel... so... exhausted now...
I'm off to bed, good night folks...
We humbly bow to you and thank you for this favor
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Need English-Japanese translations? Sounds like my cue.
So I gave it a shot to translate the entire clip mentioned above.
It's highly possible to contain weird English. Feel free to post corrections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGegCta6F1o
I feel... so... exhausted now...
I'm off to bed, good night folks...
Put it up as my Channel Video.
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Recently, somebody wrote AGAIN a comment on a Touhou video asking which anime this is. After freaking out, I came to the idea of making a video, in which Touhou fans say "Touhou is NOT an anime!" in several languages. I'm pretty sure that this idea will died rather quickly because nobody's interested, but I thought I'd try it anyways.
I could do the German phrase BTW.
What do you expect? Touhou is drawn in a (poor) anime style. It's much more common for the anime to get a spinoff game than the other way around (compare all the Naruto games to the Tales of... anime >_>).
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Recently, somebody wrote AGAIN a comment on a Touhou video asking which anime this is. After freaking out, I came to the idea of making a video, in which Touhou fans say "Touhou is NOT an anime!" in several languages. I'm pretty sure that this idea will died rather quickly because nobody's interested, but I thought I'd try it anyways.
I could do the German phrase BTW.
What do you expect? Touhou is drawn in a (poor) anime style. It's much more common for the anime to get a spinoff game than the other way around (compare all the Naruto games to the Tales of... anime >_>).
Just reading the first post doesn't help. This thread's topic changed drastically since then.
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lol tales of the abyss anime
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Fuck this whole idea.
(http://i28.tinypic.com/f35emf.png)
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Wow. That is irritating to read, even if it was you.
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Can our heroes stop Slowpoke's dastardly scheme of misinformation? Or will the entire internet be doomed to the same ignorance that befell Animesuki?
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...Die.
##Yuyuko Doll:Slowpoke
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Can our heroes stop Slowpoke's dastardly scheme of misinformation? Or will the entire internet be doomed to the same ignorance that befell Animesuki?
The latter, because people are idiots.
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Is will never die, as long as there is an anime video about it, people will assume it has an anime. You could also be one of them in other occasion...for instance...Vocaloid.
I won't call them idiot though, they just asking that's all. I dno't expect people to research whatever they see on youtube if they can just ask and get a quick reply on comment.
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10/10 would rage again etcetcetc
Also I've used the translated What is Touhou five times already.
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I won't call them idiot though, they just asking that's all. I dno't expect people to research whatever they see on youtube if they can just ask and get a quick reply on comment.
I see where you're coming from, but I remain rooted to my former comment.
It takes just as much effort to use Google as it does to ask a dumb question. People don't stop to say, "wait I should reserach this a bit before I say something stupid." Nay, people are too lazy to use their heads and do reserach on something, they expect others to think for them. Therefore, those people don't deserve the leniance of saying 'Oh they're new let's just let them say it's an anime because they don't know no better'. We wouldn't have this problem if folks weren't like this. But can expect people to change?
No. None of them will, because they're even too lazy to do that.
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Have to agree with that. Maybe feed them false information to screw them around will make them smarter. ;D
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Guy 1: What is Touhou? I've heard of it, but I'm too lazy to actually search for what it is.
Guy 2: It's an anime.
Guy 1: Oh.
months later
Guy 3: what is touhou lol
Guy 1: (Tee hee I'll feed him the wrong information and confuse everyone)
Guy 1: IT'S A DIFFICULT VERTICAL SHOOT 'EM UP GAME IN THE BULLET HELL GENRE
Guy 3: k cool
Guy 1: Well I showed that guy
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In response to Mark2000, just to clarify, the reason I mentioned Youtube's lax society is that the bar for comment standards is much lower than your typical forum post. Why shouldn't a youtube user ask a lazy question when the front page time is transient and other equally brusque comments are being made? If the same person takes as just as much or more effort to ask the question repeatedly when they don't get a response, that's quite different but such isn't always be the case. Besides even on a forum they don't usually expect you to go off site before asking the question, as is being suggested here. In short, I meant to bring into consideration the context of your social setting, not that the social setting changes the difficulty of research. How difficult the research is, at least for the most part, another point entirely.
To Amaterasu, I'm not so sure search tags are that basic of an internet function, there's so much more to the worldwide web than just b-Logs and the few audio-visual sites that use them. I normally don't encounter them much elsewhere myself. As far as titles go, I feel they're mostly irrelevant to the general problem at hand. The average person probably views them merely as an identifying label, as opposed to a pile of search terms they can punch into google. They might not even realize this simplicity is a possibility, until it's pointed out to them. Also, there's no set naming convention that makes titles necessarily useful either; Overdrive certainly isn't. For both tags and titles, we have to assume a certain amount of vocabulary from a person in order to pick anything out anyway. Tsukihime Touhou Acruid Sakuya Remilia Flandre Yuri Loli Doujin Manga won't mean anything to an Anime initiate, to make an illustratively over the top example. It becomes a game of Where's Touhou, so to speak.
I actually wrote this some time ago. However, I decided it'd be a bit overbearing to post because I'd said I'd bow out and that it would take away from the informative video which was just translated when I finally finished writing this. I'm not worried about it as much anymore for some reason though and mother always did tell me it's rude not to respond to people when being directly talked to. Besides, it's better late than never, I guess. XP
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To Amaterasu, I'm not so sure search tags are that basic of an internet function etc.
They are, but what I meant was Googling terms you're not familiar with is a pretty basic and widespread internet ability. I seriosly don't think you'd dispute this. If a person can't expend the energy to do that much, they'll be met with either a) Answer Men or, more likely, b) scorn and annoyance. Way it goes.
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Need English-Japanese translations? Sounds like my cue.
So I gave it a shot to translate the entire clip mentioned above.
It's highly possible to contain weird English. Feel free to post corrections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGegCta6F1o
I feel... so... exhausted now...
I'm off to bed, good night folks...
orz
Bookmarked for posterity.
Seconded.
We humbly bow to you and thank you for this favor
Put it up as my Channel Video.
Thank you for your acceptance, folks.
I feel like my effort has been rewarded.
Let me provide my opinion on the topic, I think it's no wonder the newcomers incorrectly understand Touhou as an anime. The reason has been already stated by Marisa on the clip that I've put the sub; you cannot deny the fact that it's the secondary derivatives that ignited the boom.
(As for me, I cannot thank enough to Reisen, for she told me this epic creations. It's not Overdrive, but its derivative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqFOB77jLaE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqFOB77jLaE).
It was a few days later that I've found Dracil's IN Extra run on YouTube (cannot thank him enough as well), and on that day I've mail-ordered EoSD, PCB and IN).
The sub I've put is one of my constructive 'answer' on this topic.
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To Amaterasu, I'm not so sure search tags are that basic of an internet function etc.
They are, but what I meant was Googling terms you're not familiar with is a pretty basic and widespread internet ability. I seriosly don't think you'd dispute this. If a person can't expend the energy to do that much, they'll be met with either a) Answer Men or, more likely, b) scorn and annoyance. Way it goes.
Are you really certain about that? I haven't come across them until years after I started surfing myself because I went to online forums, company websites, small image galleries, fansites, yahoo mail, yahoo chess and so on. b-Logs and news sites bored me since they weren't relevant to my interests. I somehow avoided YouTube for years and even when I finally was randomly linked to a video, I didn't know there were tags there due to a poor user interface. The noticing the teeny tiny more info link you need to click to even see them is bad enough but to list them so sloppily makes them just look almost like et cetera clutter nonsense as opposed to anything useful. Usually other tagged websites have them readily visible next to the content, at the very least.
I won't dispute that searching for terms you're unfamiliar with is a pretty basic concept for the average web user. I do question if that assumption is valid, considering how YouTube links spread throughout the web but regardless, this isn't quite my point. I just mean to show how under differing circumstances, even fundamental basic concepts can be difficult, confusing or simply overlooked. Take the relevancy of this following example as you will, however I've got a question: Have you ever lost your keys? I think if you've ever had any, you probably have. Everybody does it from time to time. Don't you think that to prevent losing things, it's a pretty basic and simple concept to always put them in the same place? If you've lost them however you've clearly hadn't been doing that otherwise they'd not be lost. Now you're stuck searching all around the house for your keys because you have to go out grocery shopping and want to lock up the house to keep it safe and drive your car out to take care of some urgent errands. Is that idiotic and wasteful or just simply normal and human like any other number of matters?
Also, it's the scorn and annoyance aspect I find so utterly incomprehensible. This isn't the binary choice you make it out to be. There is a third option; ignoring it. It'd be far more polite to just overlook such posts if you think they aren't even worth the time, than to essentially troll them as is suggested in this topic multiple times. I also don't think that asking a simple question is all so dumb as people are making it out to be. I'd even go so far as to say that this question is one of the more intelligent, comprehensible things people do in the comments section on YouTube. No, really, I'm not kidding. I mean to say, "You guys do go to the same YouTube I do, right?" (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9149/atthetimeofthiswriting.png) Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you can't spam YouTube. For example, if one person repetitiously asking to the point where he'd expended more effort than the research would, I could definitely see it as annoying. To a lesser extent, I can see the same if the question phrasing makes the answer particularly self-evident. As things stand now though, it's a far more broadly aimed issue than that. This question is really not worth the emotion, at least not in my opinion.
As a separate comment, to whatever japanese person actually made the video, Yosline and also even to Donut to some extent for the translation suggestion, yeah this is a great answer. It's both very informative and quite polite. It's also long winded and dumbed down enough to serve as a gateway to filter out less savory fans who aren't so attentive or bore easily, thus keeping the fandom to a level of relatively pleasant obscurity. What? Don't look at me like that. I can say long winded if I want. :P On the behalf of everybody involved, I'd like to say its a perfectly suited answer and give a heartfelt thanks. Well almost everybody, I'm not so sure I'd want a little kid finding out about eroge games just because of this. XD However, I'd like to add that having an answer ready, doesn't necessarily prevent people from asking though...
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I won't dispute that searching for terms you're unfamiliar with is a pretty basic concept for the average web user. I do question if that assumption is valid, considering how YouTube links spread throughout the web but regardless, this isn't quite my point. I just mean to show how under differing circumstances, even fundamental basic concepts can be difficult, confusing or simply overlooked.
Forums create FAQ's, data centers create search engines, and game series create wikis that can be navigated by primary school children and the severely mentally handicapped. You see a video on YouTube, you see the words "IOSYS" and "Touhou" in the tags, you go to Google. I can't imagine what sort of "differing circumstances" would make this as complicated a process as you're making it out to be.
Also, it's the scorn and annoyance aspect I find so utterly incomprehensible. This isn't the binary choice you make it out to be. There is a third option; ignoring it. It'd be far more polite to just overlook such posts if you think they aren't even worth the time
Well, sure, it'd be nice if everyone was kinder to each other on the internet. I wasn't advocating either position; just saying how it is. People who ignore these posts aren't in the equation. And while there are plenty of kind souls who are happy to be someone's personal search engine, for the most part, as has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, people tend to be annoyed with people who ask others to do the info-gathering legwork for them. Especially as when someone responds to one of these people with "google it", these same people who don't have the time, energy or cognitive capacity to search key words will fly into a fit of rage demanding someone answer their questions, often using more time and energy than they'd need to reach the answer themselves. If that helps you understand where the annoyance comes from.
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Forums create FAQ's, data centers create search engines, and game series create wikis that can be navigated by primary school children and the severely mentally handicapped. You see a video on YouTube, you see the words "IOSYS" and "Touhou" in the tags, you go to Google. I can't imagine what sort of "differing circumstances" would make this as complicated a process as you're making it out to be.
Keep in mind that forum F.A.Q.s usually only pertain to the main subjects and Frequently Asked Questions of the forums. You won't find an F.A.Q for Touhou on Megaman or Final Fantasy forums. There's no reason to think there might be a prior subject on the matter in such specialized environments either. By the time you get to a Touhou forum such as this, you likely already know what Touhou is so that source is out of the equation entirely. The exact manner in how you should ask with it might vary pendent on the circumstance, but I don't feel it's entirely out of the question. To make a long story short, the moderators will probably let you know if you did it wrong and you'll know better for next time. As far as the rest goes, I agree using the tools to do the the search can be easy. I don't feel just because it can be easy, that we should assume it always is though. You're working a step ahead of me because you feel it's obvious by necessity. IoSYS and Touhou are pretty strange words after all. I'm mostly working from just a step before though. This is mostly but not entirely because I feel the assumption that something should simply be obvious is too much for somebody who's completely new.
As long as school children have been brought up, I feel it's fair game to use them for illustrative purposes. Let's take one of the most basic problems in school. What's 1+1? The answer to that is a perfectly obvious to you and me. One of the few things that can be said to be common knowledge around the educated world even. You have textbooks with the answer written down, flash cards to help people memorize, calculators that will even work out the problem for you etc. etc. However the school system don't work on the assumption that a kindergarten students automatically knows the answer, simply because there are so many means to find the answer out and it's so easy to work out yourself. We have teachers explain the logic behind the process and give them the answer, without even expecting them to ask. Similarly, all throughout the required learning process, students usually to have a place to go to should they feel they're absolutely stumped on a subject. Be it with the teachers, parents, study group, a helpful classmate or what have you. While the point is to teach them how to function in society as an independent individual, I'm of no doubt that the average student would be in a very poor position if they were just left on their own.
Yeah, yeah, I suppose it's silly to compare this situation to school but I'm not the one who initially brought it up. :P My viewpoints generally have to do with expectancy anyway so I guess it works. School isn't the only place where this sort of social demographic is applicable, just one of the easier ones to demonstrate since it's so universal.
Well, sure, it'd be nice if everyone was kinder to each other on the internet. I wasn't advocating either position; just saying how it is. People who ignore these posts aren't in the equation. And while there are plenty of kind souls who are happy to be someone's personal search engine, for the most part, as has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, people tend to be annoyed with people who ask others to do the info-gathering legwork for them. Especially as when someone responds to one of these people with "google it", these same people who don't have the time, energy or cognitive capacity to search key words will fly into a fit of rage demanding someone answer their questions, often using more time and energy than they'd need to reach the answer themselves. If that helps you understand where the annoyance comes from.
While I can see your point about it being the reality of things, I think that the people who ignore it do come into the equation. This is because it is a potential course of action for somebody coming across this exact situation. I feel it's far more polite than taking effort at being unhelpful, calling people dumb, shouting out corrections to minute misunderstandings or deliberately feeding people misinformation. Since the answer is aimed to the audience, it's not anybody's responsibility to provide any sort of response. I never said it was myself. I too believe if somebody demands answers that's certainly rude. They shouldn't be expectant of an answer just because they ask. If anything, they should consider it a favor and be grateful if somebody bothers to answer their question. However, I feel that just asking in and of itself isn't necessarily demanding and does not in and of itself illicit any form of negative reaction.
Off topic entirely: I wish forum software allowed for proper indentation. XD
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I don't know. I still think you're maybe complicating a really simple thing, but we seem to be spinning wheels here, so screw it.
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Eh, maybe I am overcomplicating it. I feel with all my wordiness it's very important to reitterate that it doesn't have to be all that hard, just hard enough to pass the threshold of contextual appropriateness. The whole issue of bringing up difficulties and effort was just to show how that threshold could easily be reached, not to make a mountain out of the task. I can see how it'd be taken that way though, as these difficulties ended up being the focal point at my end of the discussion. Yeah, it's kinda pointless to go on and on like we have been though, since the viewpoints are different down to the fundamental core. We'd probably never come to an agreement... Oh well.