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Gore is at it again. Catching up with the times, the link can be found at bulletforge (http://www.bulletforge.org/u/gore/p/dong-fang-tian-hua-lou-touhou-tenkarou-frantically-forbidden-fruittrial-version). I'm starting to find more and more japanese-speaking people uploading to bulletforge, but i digress.
He translated the description and readme with Google translate, but i do appreciate his honesty.
Plot
(Taken from here) (http://masuparisa.web.fc2.com/thfff/)
After the events of LoLK, we see Gensokyo on summertime. It is unusually hot, and fruit started sprouting everywhere. The girls decide to chill out making juice with all that fruit. After finally deciding that there's a new incident, Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, Sanae, Youmu, and Reisen try to investigate a bit. Yuuka was watching them, and although it's the usual to leave the solving of incidents to humans, she decides to have some fun.
Gameplay
It has elements from TD, DDC, and LoLK.
Like LoLK, the game has two gameplay modes, Paradise and Legacy; and stages and boss fights are separated in chapters. Bullets can be grazed for some time and you'll get multiple points.
The special mechanic of the game is the inclusion of fruit, collected from some enemies, after ending chapters, or collecting a number of items in the Point of Collection (DDC-style). In Paradise mode, collecting fruit fills a jar of juice, if the jar is made mostly from an specific fruit, you'll get a jar of that fruit and the related power-up. You can have up to 3 filled jars, and use them (all at once) by pressing C. Power-ups are double items (apple), bullets get turned into power items (orange), bullets instantly give multiple graze points (instead of needing to wait) (banana), fiercer/denser player shots (watermelon), bomb gauge up (melon), slower bullets (grapes), life gauge up (peach). Filling a jar with star fruits (given at the end of chapters) will give a random power up. Items get instantly collected while the juice effects are activated, and spell card bonuses are doubled. In Paradise Mode, you have a health gauge, allowing you to get hit multiple times without losing a life. When getting hit, you'll hear a SFX and a number will be shown detailing the amount of health lost.
Legacy Mode lacks the juice and health bars mechanics, and because you can't start to autocollect during the juice trance or double the spell card bonuses, this gameplay mode has a lower score potential.
Commentary: gore's previous game (Phantasmagoria of Imagine Breaker) had a notorious amount of slowdown, notably when bosses where preparing their attacks. Here the game has a lesser amount of slowdown, which happens due to bullet amount. The game features less danmaku that has an extremely high speed but can be avoided simply by maintaining yourself in one place. The difficulty (at least in the demo) seems to be mostly at stage 1, because you lack the firepower, and it gets easier when you reach 2.00, 3.00, and then 4.00 and 5.00. The juice mechanic is begging us to abuse it to get high scores.
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(http://puu.sh/o2JB2/48d7d1a72d.png)
Sanae~
(http://puu.sh/o2Jti/a056016ef0.png)(http://puu.sh/o2Kvq/bffce1f9e7.png)
This was a fairly enjoyable Friday. Game is solid, it definitely feels like what LoLK should've been. It's like...a combination between DDC and LoLK, and it WORKS. My only complaints are the imput lag and the wonky hitboxes, but overall I really enjoyed this demo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK19bBXLCgI
some lunatic clear on Paradise mode.
this game is fun as balls im hyped for full game
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(http://i.imgur.com/7ws9yux.png)
Abused the fuck out of the fruit mechanics and got this.
I'd honestly like to know which effects are the worst offenders so I can disable them.
Edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/rEnLjo9.png)
Should be quite easy to beat, especially since my grazes were poorly optimized, especially with Stage 1.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Eckia5RAI&feature=youtu.be
Hit 1 billion on Hard Paradise.
enjoy the aids music because the audio died.
also the slowdown is aids
(http://i.imgur.com/h9aJIwd.png)
also this but im going to give this game a break til the full game comes out
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Oh man, I've been waiting for the demo to come out! I already loved PoIB's take on each character's danmaku and the work that went into reproducing the canon aesthetic, but FFF's gameplay mechanics feel drastically improved on top of that. (The stage portions are suitably hard for Paradise Mode compared to PoIB's cheesability, and the bosses have enough health to fully show off each danmaku pattern.) Kasen's danmaku style is my favorite so far; it's a great adaptation of her moves from ULiL while still feeling fresh.
Characters' gameplay effects:
- Reimu: Small hitbox, homing shots, apple juice x2 (double item value)
- Marisa: Very fast, piercing shots, low autocollect line, large grazebox, banana juice x2 (super graze)
- Sakuya: Items fall slowly, shots bounce off walls, grape juice x2 (slow enemies and bullets)
- Sanae: Slightly fast, fruit effects last twice as long, high-cost bombs, melon juice x2 (fill bomb gauge)
- Youmu: Slightly fast, free bomb at the end of each stage if you have none, watermelon juice x2 (hyper shot)
- Reisen: Piercing shots, L2 bomb grants barrier, peach juice x2 (refill life gauge)
- Yuuka: Slow, no power loss from taking damage, 360 degree aim, orange juice x2 (bullets convert to power items)
Extends in Paradise Mode are tied to score; they come at 150 million, 300 million, 600 million, 900 million, then 1.25, 1.5, 2, 2.5 and 3 billion points. In Legacy mode, they simply come from collecting several fruit items. The heart icons will fill up to show how close you are in either mode.
Pressing X with no bombs in stock will activate any juice you have on hand. It's also possible to deathbomb with juice instead, even if you have bombs in stock. e: The manual also says that bombing will use the higher-cost bomb by default if you have enough for it, but that it's possible to still use the low-cost one based on whether you're focused or not. I think?
Some bullets also cause status effects in Paradise Mode. I think the trial version only has burns (reduce firepower and deal damage) and paralysis (slows you down and deals damage), though poison, super poison, freezing, confusion and sleep are also in the manual. Effects can be canceled early with juice activation.
edit: do note, tho, that the readme's 'do not inquire absolutely' isn't an exaggeration. gore may make suuuper good games but if you try talking to him he's bound to get pointlessly mad over like nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Eckia5RAI&feature=youtu.be
Hit 1 billion on Hard Paradise.
It's funny you should use that bgm bc the game concept literally did start out as 2p touhou gourmet race
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Actually gave this a shot despite not really being a big fan of PoIB... and so far I'll have to say I think it's interesting (haven't given Paradise mode a shot yet, only Legacy, but I should probably also give it a shot). I like the fact gore kept LoLK's "grazing slows down item falling speed" and combines it with DDC's "collect a bunch of items for all the bombs and lives", but seems to tone that aspect down as well so it's not "BOMBING EVERYTHING GIVES YOU ALL THE LIVES". Still wish the slowdown wasn't as nuts but it is a little better than PoIB's I think, so maybe turning off enough of the effects will help (it actually does seem to help this time around unlike PoIB where it... doesn't, really, I don't think I went under 50 FPS and that's with a few options still on).
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I think the trial version only has burns (reduce firepower and deal damage) and paralysis (slows you down and deals damage),
Freeze is in the trial, If you kill midboss Nitori fast enough, groups of fairies will spawn and if you hit their bullets, you'll get the freeze effect.
(http://i.imgur.com/1YfprTL.png)
It deals about 5 damage in total (1 every second of so) and greatly increases your speed. Also I believe if you're at 0 hp while the freeze effect is on you wont die, it'll deal 1 damage but wont kill you. I could be wrong though.
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Man what is it with danmakufu games being so laggy? I disabled all effects and I still find myself reaching as low as 20-30 fps on some things. What kind of computer is expected to be able to run these games?
I mean, ZUN's games never lag for me. Most games don't. But Danmakufu.... ugh
The game itself is very enjoyable though. I like the patterns and the mechanics.
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(http://puu.sh/o3DsG/6225366b1b.png)
Sanae is so fucking broken.
- She has double the fruit duration.
- Orochi bomb coverts bullets into fruit as well as barely damaging boss nons, which means she can spam her bombs on nons and get full gauge back.
- Her melon juice increases the fastest, which means she gets bombs back quickly.
- Her unfocused shot is very powerful, which means she can take out spells quickly.
The demo is super broken, I love it. XD
Also there's a glitch in the game I found. I somehow started Stage 1 with an automatic supergraze that seems to last the entire game. The result is this:
(http://puu.sh/o3ELi/22d7b173e4.png)
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And I thought Marisa was the best for score.
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Marisa's probably still the best for score, but Sanae's no slouch, either.
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Since we're apparently scorerunning the demo, I guess I'll just post my Marisa score so far. :p
This run was done in Paradise Mode - Lunatic difficulty, Paradise mode is a lot of fun too; definitely the scoring mode of the game.
Sorry in advance for the huge pictures, I'm not too sure if there's a manner of resizing them when posting.
(http://i.imgur.com/lpy5DDh.png) (http://i.imgur.com/xuafzuC.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ohRODFP.png) Replay (http://www.mediafire.com/download/rgbdsb8kf5syc2i/thfff_replay05.dat)
Quite a silly run, was in a call with ZM and PearlescentX in Skype when we did this, ZM had that supergraze bug going on which was hilarious; I had this run going on which did rather well. I didn't expect to get 1.285b but then I was able to use supergraze bottles to graze a ton out of Kasen's final spellcard, at which I got a whopping 17.7k graze, that was very amusing. I think I'll take a look at other shots tomorrow, I can imagine Sanae being a lot of fun to play with..
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(http://puu.sh/o3RlR/65cb25e4d7.png)(http://puu.sh/o3Rpb/ae161ad3f9.png)
1.318bil with Sanae. That's a good ending point. Unfortunately failed Nitori's final spell, but at least I didn't have any fruit!
Paradise mode is actually pretty fun. It's actually quite fun to score in.
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Is it me or Yuuka's shot is very broken specially with the juice upgrade?
And have to say this game is very interesting, it was worth to play it~.
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Trial Legacy Lunatic 1cc with Reimu, all spells captured. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TrlxbKeM6s)
Trial Paradise Lunatic 1cc with Sanae and a score of 1.318bil. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfupNcaqEeM)
Had some struggles with trying to record, but thankfully Pearl helped me figure out how to record these replays without annoyances.
FFF is fun~
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Just like ZM I also had a hard time recording this fangame, although I noticed that Bandicam does the finest so I ended up using that.
Trial Paradise Lunatic 1.285bil 1cc wit Marisa Kirisame and all spellcards captured. (https://youtu.be/Pr2sUjnC8v8)
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(http://i.imgur.com/ttN3o1P.png) (http://i.imgur.com/cru1wUo.png) 1.387bil Sanae Paradise Lunatic 1cc Replay (http://www.mediafire.com/download/019zy595kpb2a5z/thfff_replay07.dat)
Failed Nitori's final spellcard, made some pretty silly mistakes in this run, but I think 1.5b is possible with Sanae. She is definitely a better scoring shot than Marisa although my thoughts are they're not too far away from each other. Probably going to try more Sanae scoreruns and maybe Marisa again later, want to play with more shots too.
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(http://i.imgur.com/IDyRNqz.png)
Dont think I'll improve this further. (wtf the numbers desynced it should be 200k more points oh well)
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoeWDYkfuig&feature=youtu.be)
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(http://puu.sh/o52mx/f805b76683.png)
1.820bil with Sanae.
I'm done, just done. XDDDD Amazing luck like what I've gotten is going to be super tough to get. Supergrazes in all the right places, capturing all the spells with the fruit bonuses added to them, and basically...just really good fruit RNG.
I'll record the run later. Heading back to uni since Spring Break is over.
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Been working on scoring with each shot today, figured out that you can graze literally everything without dying as long as you have the power of fruit activated, I knew that being healthy proves to be fruitful in the end. :V
So far all my progression: (http://i.imgur.com/aa9NYDn.png) Sanae 1.728b (http://i.imgur.com/w6cy8my.png) Marisa 1.727b (http://i.imgur.com/ANbh80a.png) Sakuya 1.496b (http://i.imgur.com/SgVYoXI.png) Reimu 1.106b (http://i.imgur.com/ndMyPeT.png) Youmu 1.100b (http://i.imgur.com/EDMD6jt.png) Reisen 1.080b (http://i.imgur.com/sR8yp49.png) 1.045b Yuuka
Also ZM and Pearl (Das) have been in a call the whole time playing this a ton, I'm still gonna improve some scores considering I did not know of the fruit invincibility grazes, I wonder if 2b is possible in this demo. Regardless of that, the fruits of our journey has shown themselves as of now.
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(http://i.imgur.com/FvEu7qW.jpg)
this game is a meme
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PSA: Consider using quote tags to hide images.
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(https://40.media.tumblr.com/75c0110f49c3712cd703a38466ac56aa/tumblr_nw7xteDw2B1uoj288o1_1280.jpg)
(Source) (http://chung0-0.tumblr.com/post/131161647798)
BBCode allows the resizing of images (http://www.bbcode.org/examples/?id=10), but i can't make it work in this forum, maybe for the same reason we can't embed youtube videos.
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Man what is it with danmakufu games being so laggy? I disabled all effects and I still find myself reaching as low as 20-30 fps on some things. What kind of computer is expected to be able to run these games?
I mean, ZUN's games never lag for me. Most games don't. But Danmakufu.... ugh
The game itself is very enjoyable though. I like the patterns and the mechanics.
Mostly because ZUN's engine has been in development for years (well, Danmakufu is too), but ZUN's is significantly more optimized. I think Danmakufu doesn't optimize anything; it's up to the script maker to optimize their scripts. Compare the performance of ido's Mystical Power Plant and Riverbed Soul Saver. ido got help from Lan, who helped optimize the game. The result is better frame rates (mostly) in RSS than in MPP. And worse is The Last Comer, which lags whenever there's a large number of bullets in the screen.
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2.047bil Lunatic Paradise Run with Marisa Kirisame (https://youtu.be/6_8NgIvQAOk) Pretty strong run, think Marisa is the main scoring shot of this game too, also kind of hoping that fruitgrazes will still exist in the full game as the possibilities seem endless, would be even nicer if there's no PiV cap too. Also have a replay here Replay (http://www.mediafire.com/download/b0qrllg56td6thf/thfff_replay22.dat)
(http://i.imgur.com/ygkIsV9.png) (http://i.imgur.com/oNEaYcu.png)
I rekt this demo to the future by getting 2.047b with Marisa, I think I'm kind of done with it now too. Maybe that I'll try to see how far I can get Sanae later on.
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Been working on some wiki stuff. Spell card pages are up. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Frantically_Forbidden_Fruit/Spell_Cards) Story mode scripts will be up at some point - surprised no-one mentioned that Paradise Mode and Legacy Mode have different dialogue.
While I was at it I added some records to my records page, go have a look. Do you think this game is worthy of its own scoreboards?
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Been working on some wiki stuff. Spell card pages are up. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Frantically_Forbidden_Fruit/Spell_Cards) Story mode scripts will be up at some point - surprised no-one mentioned that Paradise Mode and Legacy Mode have different dialogue.
While I was at it I added some records to my records page, go have a look. Do you think this game is worthy of its own scoreboards?
Didn't really notice the different dialogue between the two modes, may I ask where I can see the recordpage? I think this game would be worth it to have it's own scoreboard page as far as I've seen, taking into consideration how much there seems to be to scoring this game; how I think the full game will be very interesting in terms of paradise mode atleast (kind of hoping that Legacy also has fruitgrazes, but I think it won't have those.)
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This is the page I was talking about before. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Arcorann/High_Score_Almanac#Fangame_World_Records)
Anyway, I want to make sure there's interest before putting a scoreboard in the High Scores forum. After all, even Phantasmagoria Trues only has a handful of posts.
Finally, gameplay page will be up shortly.
EDIT: Has anyone else had an issue where the game crashes during gameplay? I just went through Stage 3 and it crashed on me during the waterfall.
EDIT 2: Gameplay page is delayed. Story page has been started though. Any transcription help for the in-game text would be appreciated.
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I say go for making a high score board. This game is just too fun.
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Done. Working on Gameplay page now. Will post spell card comments soon.
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Done. Working on Gameplay page now. Will post spell card comments soon.
I can speed up the work. I just need to know where can i find the spell card comments. I was searching for them yesterday for a good chunk of time but only i found the story dialogue (still useful but not what i wanted).
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I can speed up the work. I just need to know where can i find the spell card comments. I was searching for them yesterday for a good chunk of time but only i found the story dialogue (still useful but not what i wanted).
It's in FruitimgcardSpellName_All.dat - neatly arranged.
Gameplay page is partially complete - there's a lot to write up. Will be done soon.
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Thankfully version 1.00b will fix the desync issue, according to Gore.
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I am just gonna hope that there's less intended lag in the full version.
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Demo 0.01b released. (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-9.html) Mostly bugfixes, with a few adjustments to the patterns and player shot types.
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Apparently it allows you to get higher spellcard bonuses than first, so lets try this out...
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Apparently it allows you to get higher spellcard bonuses than first, so lets try this out...
Probably just not capping the display to 99,999,990.
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Probably just not capping the display to 99,999,990.
Actually the cap is 999,999,990 now... Also Sanae really can get a ton of score; you get way more PiV way faster too.
One of the reasons Sanae is so strong in terms of scoring now is because her bomb fills up het bottles fast; Sanae has twice the length for fruit other shots got, fill up banana thrice with her; get 999,999,990 spellcard bonus rather fast. As well as much longer time to grazing. Another notable thing is how some parts in the game have been buffed up and got harder, very notable is that Nitori got an extra nonspell before her third spellcard rather than her third spellcard coming right after her second spellcard, thus allowing you to gain more items faster so you can get more score at it by fruitgrazing.
I am pretty sure Gore's hoping this game gets scored a ton in the full release, as far as I've seen now it is definitely very interesting, I'll give scoring some shots later.
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(http://puu.sh/odn2T/56bbb2bdab.png)
Got 7.226bil with Sanae.
kek
Pearl and I are just going to wait for the full game. ;P
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(http://i.imgur.com/E98ig8W.png) (http://i.imgur.com/xQ7YgjP.png) Sanae 8.625 billion replay (http://www.mediafire.com/download/taa8w2mm9c8u552/thfff_tr_script_replay01.dat) Will still post whenever I get a video of this game up, scoring is pretty insane and Sanae has a huge advantage over Marisa now.
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Your replay desyncs, even when I installed a fresh copy of the game.
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Your replay desyncs, even when I installed a fresh copy of the game.
Keep trying a few times, I had to do that too to record it, I also did cut one of the effects; after that it seemed to work better, this demo has huger desync issues than the first one, but replays that're bugged can work at times.
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8.625 Billion Paradise Lunatic demo 0.01b Sanae run video (https://youtu.be/A5BShcYFtTA) Like I said I would upload it, I had a bit of trouble recording this due to the desync issues at first, as mentioned before, it works after a while of trying again. I think putting off special effects can help a little too but I'm not 100% certain about this.
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https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/723371008808214528 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/723371008808214528) <- preview of next stage?
And just as I predicted the high score thread dies. Don't worry, I'll finish the Gameplay page eventually.
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https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/723371008808214528 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/723371008808214528) <- preview of next stage?
And just as I predicted the high score thread dies. Don't worry, I'll finish the Gameplay page eventually.
When i saw that spell i thought it was a remake of one of her attacks from Re.PoIB, but on a closer inspection:
雷符「エレキテルの龍宮」
Lightning Sign "Elekiter Dragon Palace" (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Scarlet_Weather_Rhapsody/Spell_Cards/Iku_Nagae#Spell_Card_3)
He has drawn boss graphics for Yuuka (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/722954779463282688), Youmu (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/721205505314529280), Reisen (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/721205069559910400); remade Reimu's Dream Sign "Duplex Barrier"
(https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/723783256903012352) (maybe a fusion with Boundary "Duplex Danmaku Barrier")
Seems to be doing 3 spells per character (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/723772080546680832), by 7 characters, across 4 difficulties, plus 4 extras (midboss, i guess), for a total of 88 spell cards (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/723802310963531776)
:getdown: :getdown: :getdown:
(note: probable spoilers regarding the plot of the game, the incident, whodunnit, etc) Back in February, he made some ZUNart sketches of Tenshi, here (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/699889853878566913) and here (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/699962899511422976), goes along with the appearance of Iku, and the game's name having the kanji 天 (ten, "Heaven" or "Sky")
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Which reminds me - while digging through the code I found the names of all the music tracks, including some that haven't yet been inserted into the game (for example, this should be the Stage 4 theme (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25679055)). The implications are intriguing.
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Yeah Stage 4's gonna be a doppelganger fight(!!!) bc of Sumireko's urban legend running amok; here's a progress video of clone-Reimu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrwLXVaHO8). I'm super super excited for this because 1. "recent ZUN style" remixes of old theme songs & 2. shoot-'em-up interpretations of fighting game and PoFV danmaku, are like, The Big Dream for me
NED (the arranger for Reimu's BGM) also posted remixes of Marisa, Sakuya, Sanae and Yuuka's themes on tmbox (http://tmbox.net/user/NEDadventure) like six months ago, which are probably going to be for the other S4 bosses.
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People, People,People! I obviously I have the best score! Why? because you have all played it on Lunatic! There are no screenshots for Normal! (Its not like I couldn't beat any other difficulty or anything...)
(http://puu.sh/oxRBh/db51af18ea.jpg)
In all seriousness, this game is really fun even for just a trial! Can't wait for full game!
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Aaaw, the game seems really great. There will be a doppelganger fight ? Too bad the games have horrible lag on my computer . . . Well, I guess I'll wait for Len'en 4 or that fan game with Mokou as 4th mid boss.
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Awesome game! My favourite thing is Nitori in MoF-style with ULiL's crowbar.
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I actually enjoy the Kasen theme redone in this one. I always thought it fit better in the main shooter style than the Fighting games.
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Gore has recently posted a picture that seems to be the cover art of the full version (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/img/jacket.png/)
No new download and specified release date yet.
Wait, that silhouette looks familiar... :V
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Gore has recently posted a picture that seems to be the cover art of the full version (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/img/jacket.png/)
R...Ringo ?! I never would've guessed.
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I, ah, can't seem to find any of gore's other works?
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R...Ringo ?! I never would've guessed.
Well, you have to admit she's a good choice, considering the theme of the game! :)
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Well, you have to admit she's a good choice, considering the theme of the game! :)
:D
I'm actually really curious on how her attacks are going to look like, as she's probably the final boss this time. MG MG MG
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I'm actually really curious on how her attacks are going to look like, as she's probably the final boss this time. MG MG MG
Well, final bosses tend to have 5-7 spell cards in their arsenal. It could be a recap of the game, as the juice mechanic involves 7 fruits (8 if you add the wild card starfruit). Each card has a distinctive color (2-3 colors at most), and a clear gimmick, like purple (grape) being a super dense danmaku going very slowly.
But gore could trick us by making Ringo the Ex/Phantasm boss, (remember EoSD cover with Flan, PCB w/ Yukari, IN with Mokou hiding), with 9-10 cards, guaranteeing the use of all 8 fruits and then some.
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Well, final bosses tend to have 5-7 spell cards in their arsenal. It could be a recap of the game, as the juice mechanic involves 7 fruits (8 if you add the wild card starfruit). Each card has a distinctive color (2-3 colors at most), and a clear gimmick, like purple (grape) being a super dense danmaku going very slowly.
But gore could trick us by making Ringo the Ex/Phantasm boss, (remember EoSD cover with Flan, PCB w/ Yukari, IN with Mokou hiding), with 9-10 cards, guaranteeing the use of all 8 fruits and then some.
Ringo as an EX/Phantasm boss would be even more hilarious.
That could be even possible if we look how hard and fast Gore actually works on FFF, looking at the tons of screencaps he (?) posts on his twitter.
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spoilers re:endgame bosses: the demo files' bgm list indicates that
Ringo is indeed
the final boss, and the EX boss is (drumroll) Flan!!
. I'm super excited to see what danmaku he comes up with for the latter in particular.
I, ah, can't seem to find any of gore's other works?
The only other game (that he's made available?) is Phantasmagoria of Imagine Breaker, a ToAru crossover work. (Download link (http://www1.axfc.net/u/3385212?key=sogebu); warning for Very Nsfw banner ads on axfc uploader, as usual)
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Happy bump.
Progress has progressed smoothly. Gore finished all stage 4 bosses, and is giving finishing touches to the enemy formations in the stage.
He noticed our sin. Editing the english wiki. Something i contributed to, like, a lot. 1 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772671521714089984) 2 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772673251529007104) 3 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674549938688000) 4 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674592187953153) 5 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674728481869824)
6 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674883566178304)
(actually, he did so more than a month ago, but i won't search for that one tweet now)
But now something serious. 1 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560024799354880) 2 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560457362092032) 3 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560554007203840) 4 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560719799648256) 5 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772561190325096448) 6 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772561408361844736) 7 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772562483173130240) 8 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772563971161280512)
He noticed that a bulletforge script (http://www.bulletforge.org/u/python/p/mallet-mayhem-at-kourindou-locaa-9-entry) used his shotsheet. The translator is giving me mixed messages, but i fear if he thinks that Python (the script author), stole gore's graphics. Someone please clear this up.
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He noticed our sin. Editing the english wiki. Something i contributed to, like, a lot. 1 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772671521714089984) 2 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772673251529007104) 3 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674549938688000) 4 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674592187953153) 5 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674728481869824) 6 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772674883566178304)
His comments here are actually nice and positive. Pleasant surprise, I guess?
But now something serious. 1 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560024799354880) 2 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560457362092032) 3 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560554007203840) 4 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772560719799648256) 5 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772561190325096448) 6 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772561408361844736) 7 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772562483173130240) 8 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/772563971161280512)
He noticed that a bulletforge script (http://www.bulletforge.org/u/python/p/mallet-mayhem-at-kourindou-locaa-9-entry) used his shotsheet. The translator is giving me mixed messages, but i fear if he thinks that Python (the script author), stole gore's graphics. Someone please clear this up.
This on the other hand.
Okay, so, Gore hates it when people use any graphics of his besides the ones that he explicitly provides for that purpose-- which, like, he's completely justified in being upset about that? It's basic courtesy to avoid using someone's work without their permission. But then he gets super extra about it and rants on Twitter forever instead of actually telling them "hey don't use my stuff". It's not a good look.
The player script's full-body Kasen portrait is taken directly from FFF and uncredited in the Bulletforge description. He hasn't given permission and would rather it not be used, so whoever's responsible for the script should fix that. Whether it was Python or someone else who included it in there, I dunno, but it should be pretty easy to just switch it out for some other art? (He doesn't mention the shotsheet in the linked tweets, but even though it's credited in the description, I doubt he'd put that part up for free usage either nowadays.)
I would recommend against actually talking to him, especially for people who can understand Japanese. It's unpleasant. Just ignore whatever he's tweeting this time, replace the art, and it won't have to be a big deal. Then sit back, follow a "look don't touch" policy when it comes to the actual guy, and enjoy the nice fruit game.
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Any idea when the full release will be?
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Based on his most recent blog post (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-14.html) and tweets he's currently on the Stage 5 boss. I would allow two or three months for Stage 6 and Extra after that.
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New blog post (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-15.html)
Released date has been postponed from December 2016 to first half of 2017, it seems to be thanks to gore's health. But, he at least gives us a video of new content.
For the curious, the spell cards are:
No. 138 天地「世界を見下ろす遥かなる大地よ」 Heaven & Earth "Land that Oversees the Distant World Below" [recycled from SWR]
No. 146 地震「避難険路」 Earthquake "Evacuation Along the Steep Path" [recycled from DS]
No. 166 甘 [can't read] 「マジカルバナナレーザー」 Sweet ?? "Magical Banana Laser" [original]
No. 170 西瓜「ドラッグエクスプロージョン」West Melon "Drag Explosion" [original] (note: maybe those are the kanji for "west" and "melon". It does resemble 爪 "claw")
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Seems that with the images, it's confirmed that Ringo is the final boss...
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西瓜 means watermelon.
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Not sure why the spell name translations are in a spoiler tag, but I guess I'll respond that way for consistency.
No. 166 甘 [can't read] 「マジカルバナナレーザー」 Sweet ?? "Magical Banana Laser" [original]
Banana spell, watermelon spell... I suppose it'd be reasonable to expect the final boss to have one spell per fruit.
The third screenshot in the blog post seems to depict the same banana spell with a different name, probably the Normal version of the Lunatic spell from the video. Banana Maelstrom? A reference to Byakuren's Star Maelstrom, perhaps?
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Yeah, the final boss has
one card for each fruit
. The kanji Maple was wondering about is 甘蕉, which just means 'banana'
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Brief summary of Twitter progress shots for anyone interested: Seiran is the Stage 5 midboss with Gun Sign "Bluelight Silvergun". Tenshi has 5 cards total-- Kaname Funnel, Land that Oversees the World, Sword of Heaven's Way (upwards dash w/ laser scatter), Evacuation Route, and SWR of All Mankind. Then Ringo has apple, orange, banana and watermelon cards so far.
Also he goes through a lot of card names before settling on the final ones. I think Normal Mode's Banana Maelstrom
became PURELY BANANA-DANGO HELL (ﾉ・口・)ﾉ
which is one of the most glorious phrases I've ever seen?
This is the final boss theme, "Rabbit of the Unpeaceful Feast
", by Shower: https://tmbox.net/pl/931273 (https://tmbox.net/pl/931273). It's Bangin' (TM)
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The main game seems to be about done. Hooray!
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So I was actually looking through gore's twitter and he's actually posting stuff about Extra right now. I think from what we could tell previously posts that spoil the game;
with how Flandre is listed in demo's data it's practically confirmed on gore's twitter though the one thing that caught me by surprise is that gore seems to be planning a Flandre/Clownpiece tag team. Admittingly the hints are there with a recently drawn up Clownpiece portrait (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/844659943877689346) and the theme playing over Flan's spell previews being a hybrid theme (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/841569022797733888). Also hey Patchouli is the midboss (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/837126914804326400).
I kinda wonder if there will be some more unsuspecting things added... Like having the game be actually optimized.
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So I was actually looking through gore's twitter and he's actually posting stuff about Extra right now. I think from what we could tell previously posts that spoil the game; with how Flandre is listed in demo's data it's practically confirmed on gore's twitter though the one thing that caught me by surprise is that gore seems to be planning a Flandre/Clownpiece tag team. Admittingly the hints are there with a recently drawn up Clownpiece portrait (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/844659943877689346) and the theme playing over Flan's spell previews being a hybrid theme (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/841569022797733888). Also hey Patchouli is the midboss (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/837126914804326400).
I kinda wonder if there will be some more unsuspecting things added... Like having the game be actually optimized.
Putting Clownpiece and Flandre together as a stage boss duo? That sounds like quite the fanservice (not that there's anything wrong with that :p)
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That sounds like quite the fanservice (not that there's anything wrong with that :p)
Off topic but i find something funny about using the word "fanservice" in reference to a fan-made product.
More on-topic, i think that the actual fanservice is the amount of graze that can be potentially done. Also, for those that don't flow Gore's twitter closely, Flandre's spell is likely to be changed (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/841591240323883008) from what it looks like in Gray21oh's linked video
Spell names isTaboo "Five of a Kind"
, btw. Patchouli has Fire Water Wood Metal Earth Sign (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/840778674580332544) "Philosopher's Stone V2" (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/840779421921423361) (賢者の石 -改-, as in Sagume's 玉符「穢身探知型機雷 改」/ Orb Sign "Impure Body Detection Mines V2")
. I think that, technically, Satori's recollection would be V2, and this V3
.
I find it strange how the song changes its melody at around the 30 second mark.
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That sounds like quite the fanservice (not that there's anything wrong with that :p)
Sounds quite interesting actually, perhaps it's because of the "craziness" of these two in particular - Flandre's emotional instability and Clownpiece's ability.
The hybrid Flandre/Clownpiece
boss theme is pretty well done too, I wonder who made that one. (maceknight?)
Looking forward for the full release :toot:
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Well gore seems to have locked his twitter down which means no previews at what he's currently working on and if I'm gonna think of reasons why it might've been me who broke the camels back.
If gore ever sees this message I have to apologies greatly for sharing the links in the first place. I thought it was neat to see how games like this are done on a more detailed level among the time it takes to properly balance and create all this. Even if optimization might not end up well I still want to appreciate what's there and what's been made.
I might be overreacting but I still feel awful about this.
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No, it's okay. gore tends to lock down his twitter from time to time, but it emerges again after some time. Give it like a week or two.
I hope i'm not tempting fate
Edit: now it's open again.
He's posting the "All Stage Clear!" images now. Oh, he deleted the tweets with Clownpiece's
art.
1 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/846355683977023488)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C77cAdmVYAE6fqS.jpg)
2 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/846382559202181121)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C770cyCVYAAQDiV.jpg)
3 (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/846382800315998208)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C770q4iU8AAYkNU.jpg)
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The game crashed twice on me. First to capturing Kasen's first spell and second to capturing Kasen's second spell. I was mad too because I was about to clear 5/5 on both attempts.
Looks very neat to play so far. However, the game still likes to lag at specific portions of the game even with effects mostly turned off. The fruit mechanic is also quite interesting even though it seems like the type of fruit dropped has a degree of randomness to it. For survival I assume it won't matter as much though. I don't like how lives and bombs are capped at 5 here even though it's a neat SoEW reference.
FFF looks to be even easier to clear than PoIB. I must be the only person who thoroughly enjoyed PoIB here despite its tendency to cheapshot you when you don't know the patterns. FFF looks to be a great game right now and will be even better in the full release. I really need a better computer though, I'm sick of Danmakufu lag in pretty much every single game I play.
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Blog update by Gore (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-17.html)
From what I could gather with Google Translate so far, he seems to be getting closer to finish the Extra stage and apparently intends to fully release the game along with his next blog update.
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Gore made another blog update. (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-18.html) According to it, all that's missing now is some ending pictures, most of the dialogue for Extra, and the Last Words. He seems to be aiming for a full release in July.
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http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-19.html (http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-19.html)
He's aiming for July 31st!
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Unfortunately, I won't be here for it (have to sleep)
However, he is set to release FFF in around 30 minutes.
From his twitter feed he's started uploading so it shouldn't take much longer.
(pls don't suck I don't want to wake up to complaints)
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GAME IS OUT
http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-20.html?sp
GRAB IT WHILE IT'S HOT
(and i still have to go :( )
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http://www.bulletforge.org/u/gore/p/dong-fang-tian-hua-lou-touhou-tenkarou-frantically-forbidden-fruitfull-version
what a terrible frame drop
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Well I sure 1cced this with Yuuka on Legacy Normal, and I sure hated this game. Like, even with the actual mechanics in play I'm not sure I'd like this game, like at all. Maybe Yuuka's just overpowered or something, I'm not sure, but I dunno. On the other hand, it makes me look forward to two weeks when a better game is released that I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy a lot.
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Game is really fun but fps dropped really hard, it's gore's game to you
and 5.00 Power is really OP like, to all characters, you can even nuke 1 boss non-spell/ spell after 1 phrase (8 sec)
also OST is really good
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LW requirements translated: (they are difficulty-independent, character-independent and mode-independent unless stated otherwise)
No. 196: Capture all spell cards in Stage 1.
No. 197: Capture all spell cards in Stage 2.
No. 198: Capture spell cards 27, 28, 29 and 30.
No. 199: Capture all spell cards in Stage 3.
No. 200: Clear all variants of Stage 4.
No. 201: Clear Legacy with Reimu, Normal+.
No. 202: Clear Legacy with Marisa, Normal+.
No. 203: Clear Legacy with Sakuya, Normal+.
No. 204: Clear Legacy with Sanae, Normal+.
No. 205: Clear Legacy with Youmu, Normal+.
No. 206: Clear Legacy with Yuuka, Normal+.
No. 207: Clear Legacy with Reisen, Normal+.
No. 208: Capture all spell cards in Stage 5.
No. 209: Capture spell cards 151, 152, 153, and 154.
No. 210: Capture all spell cards in Stage 6.
No. 211: Capture spell cards 183, 184 and 185.
No. 212: Capture spell cards 186, 187 and 188.
No. 213: Capture spell cards 189, 190 and 191.
No. 214: Capture spell cards 192, 193, 194 and 195.
No. 215: Get all other last words.
Also I managed to do paradise on all difficulties + extra. Pretty simple stuff.
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Just beat the extra. Fun game all in all. Pretty easy though, I beat both main game and extra in the first try(technically second in the main game because of a blackout when I was in stage 5 :colonveeplusalpha:).
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Paradise mode's balance is really strange; it's very rare to die to anything that isn't a laser or other instant-death device. Hopefully playing on Legacy makes it more reasonable.
Also, that stage 4 midboss spell is objectively the worst oh my god
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDSa5ReCQBQ
Legacy Lunatic Mode achieved!
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Paradise mode's balance is really strange; it's very rare to die to anything that isn't a laser or other instant-death device. Hopefully playing on Legacy makes it more reasonable.
Also, that stage 4 midboss spell is objectively the worst oh my god
unless you are me and chain hit like everywhere
legit my lunatic 1cc of paradise has got to be the most memeiest shit ever. not even mentioning the massive slowdown while recording either :V
edit: enjoy the memes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGVAc8gsNI)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoDpwPcFLlk
Paradise Lunatic No-Miss.
thanks sanae.
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Dunno if I should say the game is easy bc it lagged so much during the final 3 stages
especially in Ringo's final spell
:V
However it was really fun and the soundtrack is quite enjoyable for sure
Also do I need to beat all LW to get the last BGM?
Btw that Yuuka
theme is so perfect
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXSDQz5H2UU
Lunatic Legacy 1.121b with Yuuka.
Maybe I might push for higher? Not sure, but Sanae's and Tenshi's patterns were pretty fun to graze. Ringo's too.
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If you have lag problems,
1) it's gore what did you expect :V
2) do effect cut of the warping, weather and enemy particles, and maybe cut more if it's still bad for you
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This game is quite fun, Got a paradise lunatic 1cc of this game. (https://youtu.be/SI-1AX4RDzE) I also have an extra clear and I do plan on uploading that soon,
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Sorry for doubleposting-- but I also got my extra clear uploaded now: Extra Paradise Clear (https://youtu.be/t9WDutzvr9I Extra paradise clear)
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Hmm... so many things to say about this game...
I love the fruit mechanic, and I love the fact that it's available in Extra too. Speaking of Extra though, holy crap, the patterns are such a mess, I couldn't tell what was going on half the time. I game overed on Flandre's third or fourth spell
I'm also in love the with music, especially the Stage 1, 3, 4 and 6 themes, as well as Yuuka's theme, and Ringo's second theme
.
However, I absolutely hate Iku
's spell, as well as the entirety of Stage 5 (including the music, which seems kind of out of place in my opinion), minus Seiran
.
Everything else was incredibly fun and enjoyable, even if a little broken, and I got a Normal 1cc with Yuuka and Sanae on my first try. Like Badz said, Paradise has a really weird balance of difficult patterns but with too many resources + it being difficult to actually die except on Tenshi and Iku's stupid lightning/laser spells.
The shot types feel a bit TOO strong... I was able to beat Sanae
's first nonspell and spell without even moving or actually having to dodge anything, while playing as Sanae. Yuuka is the worst offender because not only is her shot already strong, but all of it homes in, plus it pierces. So I'd say Yuuka is the best character for survival.
I wonder if this game's going to get a Phantasm/Miracle/whatever stage like Re.PoIB did...
(Admittedly, it was my first time ever playing a Gore game at the full 60 FPS since I borrowed my cousin's computer that actually has enough RAM lol. I did not know the fruit effects lasted for so little or that some patterns were so fast considering the demo ran at a solid 18 FPS on my own computer...)
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still, is it me or from mid stage 4 to extra stage you can see an abusive uses of Shootshape function...
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Gore released a v1.00b.
■Patch Note
2017/08/01 ver 1.00b BugFix Version
・ Stage 4C Fixed a bug that may fall when you use orange juice at the last spell.
- Fixed because there was a data embedding error in replay.
In the replay of the previous version, the effect cut setting is made the same,
There is no problem if you play from 1 side.
PatchFile(1.00a => 1.00b)：https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsZNX0Vtc-HLgROn4WvsRGcFFNBA
Translation thanks to MartinGoogle.
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i didn't translate that ffs it's on his bulletforge page, you really think i speak in broken english? :derp:
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every aspect of the ringo fight is somehow 5000x more ridiculous than the mid-dev screens and videos let on and i Love It
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Some bugs:
(Stage 4E) Youmu's first spell on lunatic fails to slash the bubbles. This makes the spell laughably easy. Works as intended on other difficulties though.
edit: here is a vid displaying a glitch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntHw-tQl4Gw)
Ringo's survival spell thing can be shot down on all difficulties.
If you change the frameskip option different from what you did a run in then your replay will desync. (i.e. if you did a run at 1/1 frameskip, closed the game and changed to 1/2, your replay will desync)
Song number 26 does not unlock properly. I presume this is the theme that plays on last words.
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Gore confirmed Youmu Lunatic first spell bug, he mistimed the cut. Will be fixed in v1.00c.
Edit: Been talking with him more on twitter and he confirms
- Ringo's second last 'timeout' is programmed intentionally to be able to be shot down early. A similar mechanic has also appeared in PoIB.
- He also says that he thought about adding health circle, but the enemy marker is already there. If you didn't notice, his enemy markers change with health.
- He says he can't fix the frameskip one to his knowledge.
- Song 26 is the Last Word theme and can only be heard from the Spell Practice (?)
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I haven't really played the game, but watching videos of it got me curious on a thing: What exactly determines which stage 4 boss you'll be getting?
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I haven't really played the game, but watching videos of it got me curious on a thing: What exactly determines which stage 4 boss you'll be getting?
nothing. you can select any of them upon beating stage 3
also marisa lw unlock is bugged. i beat legacy normal and nothing happened
edit: same with everyone else... except reimu apparently. the hell?
edit2: i figured out what the bug is. the code only checks for one instance of the unlock, not all 7.
//No.201~207 特定キャラでレガシーモードのNormal以上をクリアする
ascent( d in 1..4)
{
ascent( p in 0 .. plmax)
{
if(GetAreaCommonData(ComonAreaName,dif_ClearID[d]~ScoreplID[p]~ModeID[1],0)>0)
{//どれかの装備でクリア済みならば
SetAreaCommonData(ComonAreaName,difH[d_LW]~SpellID[6+p]~"c"~plH[p]~ModeID[0],1);
SetAreaCommonData(ComonAreaName,difH[d_LW]~SpellID[6+p]~"c"~plH[p]~ModeID[1],1);
break;
}
}
}(plmax is defined as 7)
only reimu's works properly (spell id 6). everyone else (spell id 7-12) does not.
simply replace 6+p with the number of your choice. so anything from 7 to 12, until you got them all.
and even then...
marisa's lw crashes the game LOL
warp_player_marisa is not defined at line 53 of st4bosslw01s.dnh
seems to be an extraneous line because i do not see it on any other last word.
simply comment it out and marisa's lw should function
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one day in and we're already modifiying the games :wat:
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v1.00c is out, here's the patch note on Bulletforge.
2017/08/02 ver 1.00c BugFix Version
- Stage 4C Fixed a bug that sometimes crashes when challenging with Marisa slow shot or Sanae fast shot.
- Stage 4E Fixed a bug that was not the first bullet on the spellcard.
- Stage 4 Fixed the unreasonable position of enemies in Chapter 2(The enemy's HP also lowered)
- LastWord Fixed a crash bug when trying to open No. 202.
- LastWord Fixed a problem that may not be released even if the condition is satisfied.
- Bug fixed that BGM No. 26 is not banned.
- Fixed display of "HighScore !!" at the end of replay playback protruding outside the STG frame.
PatchFile(1.00a/1.00b => 1.00c)：https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsZNX0Vtc-HLgRTU2X5KYjrHwy7M
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goddddddddd this game's so gooooood, it's really fun and i love it. I'm gonna have such a great time playing through to unlock everything. Now that I'm actually playing the game and reading the dialogue, it's obvious that Gore put in a ton of love into making all the different routes and stuff. (not to mention effort. a whole bunch of effort)
The music is also super super good, props to every artist who contributed. Speaking of which, does anybody recognize a couple of the melodies in Eden's Apple? This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73CEY_Jwwc#t=24m19s) and this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73CEY_Jwwc#t=25m55s). Kanako, Shinmyoumaru, Ringo and Junko's themes are obvious, but I swear I've heard these two before somewhere-- the second one in particular-- and can't remember where.
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goddddddddd this game's so gooooood, it's really fun and i love it. I'm gonna have such a great time playing through to unlock everything. Now that I'm actually playing the game and reading the dialogue, it's obvious that Gore put in a ton of love into making all the different routes and stuff. (not to mention effort. a whole bunch of effort)
The music is also super super good, props to every artist who contributed. Speaking of which, does anybody recognize a couple of the melodies in Eden's Apple? This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73CEY_Jwwc#t=24m19s) and this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73CEY_Jwwc#t=25m55s). Kanako, Shinmyoumaru, Ringo and Junko's themes are obvious, but I swear I've heard these two before somewhere-- the second one in particular-- and can't remember where.
uhh no idea what the first one is but the second one is maybe this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNBE25WdDnA)? not entirely sure btw, but it somewhat reminded me of it.
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Idk, I feel like some of the stage 4 bosses could be good (only done 2 so far) and stage 6 is really good but the rest of the game is a slogfest full of copied/slightly tweaked cards and lag. Its like a remake of 2hu games but with a ton of added lag. Not very fun imo.
Tenshi's battle has some neat ideas but some bad execution (wow that near instant laser is weird and fast, and what is that first card??), the nons looked really cool though.
The original ideas seem alright for the most part I just wish the game was mostly original rather than the obvious inspiration a fair amount of the game shows. Maybe the extra stage is better.
All my effects are turned off and I still regularly dip to 40 fps or less on a fair few attacks late game :/ oh gore
I wish this would've just been a script that was just stage 6 but extended to the length of something like GaHS. That's the best part of the game to me.
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This is definitely one of the most fun Touhou fangames out there.
Sure, if you're talking about survival then it is unbalanced, but the main focus of this game is scoring. Sometimes, strategically getting hit during a spellcard actually can give you more spell bonus, which is awesome.
You win in FFF not by skillful dodging alone, but by abusing the mechanics to get insane bonuses really quickly. That kind of system is certainly not for everyone, but I'm the type of person who loves seeing their score multiply to huge numbers.
The only real issue is the lag, but that's expected from Gore, who's known for his beautiful effects. Fortunately, you can turn off most effects in the options (you can even choose which effects you want to turn off!)
Additionally, I believe the game can be optimized more. We could either wait for Gore to release a patch or we could do it ourselves.
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Even turning off all of the effects, the game still lags like heck for me... But I kinda find it hard not to love it with how the game basically begs for you to break it on Paradise. Legacy I'm a bit more if-fy on but hey it's there for runs without any juice or health bars.
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Oh my god the type of juice you get from graze items depends on the color of the bullet grazed, no wonder I kept suddenly getting different juice than I expected
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v1.00e is out on Bulletforge, by the way. This game sure gets a lot of patches!
btw I've posted the raws for the spell card names/comments and music names/comments on the FFF page. Hopefully tl's start rolling in. I'll try and do my best with spell card images too and once I unlock the final last word I'll provide my scorefile for anyone to use for reference.
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Anybody else's game start to lag more after version 1.00e?
This game is way too easy in Paradise Mode, I was able to 1-death Lunatic 1cc with Yuuka with max resources by the end... yet I can barely 1cc the official games on Hard. Still, I find it's a pretty fun game to play regardless, I've been playing it nonstop since it came out.
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The music is also super super good, props to every artist who contributed. Speaking of which, does anybody recognize a couple of the melodies in Eden's Apple? This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73CEY_Jwwc#t=24m19s) and this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73CEY_Jwwc#t=25m55s). Kanako, Shinmyoumaru, Ringo and Junko's themes are obvious, but I swear I've heard these two before somewhere-- the second one in particular-- and can't remember where.
The second one vaguely reminds me of casket of star. I feel like it is a reference to something else though...
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aaaaaaand did all the last words. alot of them are easy with yuuka but yuuka is yuuka, she is in heavy need of a nerfing because she does way too much at once right now.
PM me for scorefile, treat it as you would a ZUN game, just copy it into the folder. (backup your original scorefile and put the unlocked scorefile in the main folder of your game)
for anyone who wishes to contribute to the madness of taking screenshots of spell card images.
side note... i think this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBnsrJSt0gk) is legitimately the most bs attack in the entire game, honestly.
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that was some ISC stuff
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fully unlocked scorefile with all spell cards in practice and music room unlocked (http://www.google.com) (backup your scorefile and put this one in the main folder of your game)
for anyone who wishes to contribute to the madness of taking screenshots of spell card images.
That's my job, i think. I'll have that scorefile in mind. Maybe i'll start this weekend.
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That's my job, i think. I'll have that scorefile in mind. Maybe i'll start this weekend.
...aaaaaand I didn't know you had to have practice for Reimu unlocked. I totally forgot that spell practice wasn't allowed for anything that isn't a last word. I only have all difficulty practice unlocked for Yuuka, the only thing I have for Reimu is normal legacy (for last word unlock). I do have extra with everyone though.
oh well at least you can still use it for last words I guess?
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Probably a dumb question, but is there a download for the OST?
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Probably a dumb question, but is there a download for the OST?
The OST is created not by gore, but used with permission from other artists (even if two tracks were made specifically for FFF).
The tracks in the RentalList text file with a tmbox link are available to listen to, but there is no download link.
I guess I should also mention that gore has decided to add a Harvest stage, similar to the Miracle stage in Re:PoIB. The midboss will be Aya Shameimaru, and the boss will be the Aki Sisters.
Second, he's also going to remake the game to improve performance and expects something to release around next year.
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To be more clear, there is no download to be posted here, and do not upload the OST at all. Do not upload the tracks to Youtube, or anywhere else. Unauthorized redistribution/reproduction is strictly prohibited.
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relevant miracle stage preview tweet (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/894524505984344065)
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I could already tell that he wasn't done with his game yet. "Harvest" is a fitting name for the mode/difficulty considering the main theme of this game. Liked the main game despite some flops in terms of spellcard designs, looking forward to what he's gonna come up with this time.
Background/setting looks a lot like HSiFS stages 1-2.
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Holy cow, what is up with the Master Spark in this game?! :P
Is it normal that you sometimes get blasted to the moon and back when using the Master Spark or did it just bug out for me? It was pretty hilarious even though it made me lose the last bit of concentration I had left. So if this is an actual feature in the game, could somebody tell me how to control it? Does it have something to do with whether I press up or down when I activate it?
I have attached my replay of that playthrough (If you want to see what I mean, start watching at stage 4) in case it was a bug and nobody here knows what I was talking about. ^^
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Holy cow, what is up with the Master Spark in this game?! :P
Is it normal that you sometimes get blasted to the moon and back when using the Master Spark or did it just bug out for me? It was pretty hilarious even though it made me lose the last bit of concentration I had left. So if this is an actual feature in the game, could somebody tell me how to control it? Does it have something to do with whether I press up or down when I activate it?
It's the older games' principle of unfocused and focused shots having different bombs, simple enough. Seeing how Gore conveyed Blazing Star as a bomb is considerably interesting.
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Ah, that makes sense, thank you. It is quite weird to use Blazing star as the player though ^^
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Something kinda like this Blazing Star is in Phantasm Dream as well. Accelerate Spark or something? She doesn't leave the screen though.
Does anyone have the original PoIB, by the way?
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What happened to the link? I can't access it. It says:
The page you were looking for doesn't exist.
You may have mistyped the address or the page may
have moved.
Perhaps it's just me but I'm not sure. http://www.bulletforge.org/u/gore/p/dong-fang-tian-hua-lou-touhou-tenkarou-frantically-forbidden-fruitfull-version
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Nah, it's not just you, I even did a quick search and its page is just...straight up gone, it seems. :ohdear:
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http://www.bulletforge.org/u/gore/p/dong-fang-tian-hua-lou-frantically-forbidden-fruit
The project isn't for download there regardless because people can't follow rules
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Oh dear, oh dear.
In any case, go directly to his blog to download, click the first link under v1.00e:
http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-21.html?sp
Edit: Drake, could you help clarify what he means in the message? Can't really read the broken English.
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oh wow.
i didn't know scorefiles contain music data of all things, the hell? i thought it's literally just, unlock conditions. that's the purpose of a scorefile isn't it?
the intention was for those who want to edit the wiki to put all the spell card images and stuff on there, idk if anyone has done it yet.
anyways taken the link down for now
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oh wow.
i didn't know scorefiles contain music data of all things, the hell? i thought it's literally just, unlock conditions. that's the purpose of a scorefile isn't it?
the intention was for those who want to edit the wiki to put all the spell card images and stuff on there, idk if anyone has done it yet.
anyways taken the link down for now
the scorefile doesn't contain any music files but it does contain the music room unlock flags. gore gets really over-the-top Internet Mad about ppl who repost touhou game music on youtube (which they should indeed not do w/o permission, to be fair) so he specifically made it so you have to hear a track in-game before it's unlocked in the music room. "to spite them!!" he said. there's........ literally nothing indicating that your scoredat upload had anything to do with the youtube reuploaders, but he still threw a big twitter fit over it last month and Swore Off Bulletforge Forever!! These Gaijin Just Can't Be Reasoned With!!
he is like this all of the time. dont take it personally
e: vvv ya
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i mean... you don't even need to play the game to hear the music...
those youtube gaijin uploaders or whatever are smarter than this. rule of thumb is there's always a file that contains all the music somewhere and it's very easy to extract it. spiting people by doing this kind of thing in the music room does absolutely nothing.
yes it's not necessarily "correct" to do this, but this is exactly what happens every time and there's no way we can ever prevent this.
and in case people didn't know, my main reason for getting this scorefile up in the first place is the last words. in order to unlock all of them, all the requirements will end up unlocking the full music room anyway. if you want to unlock all the last words yourself, go ahead, but keep in mind it's probably about as tedious as unlocking the last words in IN, in other words don't bother trying, just get a scorefile with all of them unlocked.
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the scorefile doesn't contain any music files but it does contain the music room unlock flags. gore gets really over-the-top Internet Mad about ppl who repost touhou game music on youtube (which they should indeed not do w/o permission, to be fair) so he specifically made it so you have to hear a track in-game before it's unlocked in the music room. "to spite them!!" he said. there's........ literally nothing indicating that your scoredat upload had anything to do with the youtube reuploaders, but he still threw a big twitter fit over it last month and Swore Off Bulletforge Forever!! These Gaijin Just Can't Be Reasoned With!!
he is like this all of the time. dont take it personally
e: vvv ya
He doesn't seem like the quiet type at all.
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...Huh. So basically gore being super extra about things again? I know posting musics without permission is Bad, but...dude needs to chill, seriously. In the meantime, I'll just enjoy the nice fruit fangame as I have been~
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Anyway yes fruit game. Regardless of anything to do with gore's attitude, FFF is a very good game and I love it a lot. Here is a list of things I like about it:
- The graphics nail the 'official game' style to a T, not just with the replicated ZUN assets but also with the FFF originals (stuff like Yuuka's portrait for instance). They're clearly the result of a lot of hard work. I kind of aspire to that level of proficiency?
- The danmaku often takes heavy cues from the official series, yes, but actually playing through it is (imo) still plenty enjoyable. Simply clearing the game is extremely easy, but Paradise Mode makes additional play styles such as score-running and speed running fun, flashy and accessible to casual players as well.
- BGM is top-notch, kudos to everyone on the music contribution list
- The story and dialogue are my favorite part of the game, hands-down. I'm legitimately sorry for not having translated it yet, because I really want everyone else to enjoy it too. Like-- first off, the sheer volume of dialogue (separate Legacy and Paradise scenarios + variations for every Stage 4 combo) is impressive, because it shows that the author was obviously enjoying themselves while writing it. Both the dialogue and backstory are faithful to every character's personality, and incorporate tie-ins to various chapters of spin-off works in a way that reads very naturally. It's basically a big-budget "what if X, Y and Z interacted in canon?" fanfic, written by someone who clearly has a deep, genuine love for the series and its setting. ...I was about to write something about how "ZUN's games broaden the setting without deepening it, while FFF takes that setting and explores it more deeply," but then I remembered that that's exactly what the official spin-off manga do. That describes FFF perfectly; it's a 'spin-off manga' story in full-blown game form. I love ittttttt. It's my favorite kind of passion project. passionfruit project. lol
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fff's scenarios all look interesting... if only that and poib both got fully translated someday. his games seem to go surprisingly deep in the storytelling compared to most other creators.
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I don't like its soundtrack, It's mostly just remixes of ZUN's songs.
It's nothing bad its just that I want some original tracks.
We've seen how good his original tracks can get, just look at Dragon God Flying to Mount Hourai ~ Oriental Mythology.
If he makes a new game I'll hope for more new tracks.
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I don't like its soundtrack, It's mostly just remixes of ZUN's songs.
It's nothing bad its just that I want some original tracks.
We've seen how good his original tracks can get, just look at Dragon God Flying to Mount Hourai ~ Oriental Mythology.
If he makes a new game I'll hope for more new tracks.
...gore did not compose the tracks.
The music was composed by a lot of people who let gore use the music in FFF.
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...gore did not compose the tracks.
The music was composed by a lot of people who let gore use the music in FFF.
I know that. I just let the Pronoun slip.
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I Decided to try Lunatic mode with Paradise, and I Actually 1CC'ed it. (Not really cause of skill, more like Yuuka and paradise are OP) Nerf when?
Side note: (Also I tried Yuuka vs Yuuka in Stage 4 but I don't get the plot behind it. I would have expected something like Mamizou was impersonating her but whatever. Can someone translate that?)
Edit: I realized I have version 1.0.0 so this won't matter.
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So looking through the rental list, a lot of these links are essentially dead because tmbox changed its domain and I don't think any of the artists have reuploaded onto there as of right now. Also a lot of hiragimi's compositions seem to be practically broken on their site meaning you can't really listen to them.
Also noting how gore's taken down the bulletforge link, is this just some act of vengeance against people reuploading the tracks to YouTube? Cause even with how wrong it is to reupload the tracks without the permissions of the original composers this is still kinda jerk-ish on everyone else.
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tmbox dying has nothing to do with any of this, it's just a stupid coincidence. From the beginning, it doesn't really matter whether or not links to the original songs were provided; the point is having artist information. A number of tracks were modified from their originals for FFF as well, so it isn't as though you "could listen to them".
You can access hiragimi's stuff. You might have to be able to read some Japanese and actually look around for it but it's not hidden or out of the way. That's the case for a lot of these artists; you just have to actually try to find them if you're interested in their works.
Vengeance? Sort of? He only uploaded there to offer an outlet to english-speaking fans. Then they "betrayed his trust", so to speak. It has nothing to do with "these specific people did something wrong so I'm punishing everyone", it's "people who don't understand the language or culture will tend to completely disregard any sort of culturally-acknowledged rules and not be able to understand even when it's explicitly written", which in this case confirmed his prejudices. If you're making it about yourselves as though he's doing other people a disservice by removing the bulletforge link that's missing the point.
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tbh when the creator himself doesn't even understand how his own gamefiles work and instead throws a major fit over something like this, i'm not going to take him seriously at all lmao. i already explained how it works earlier above.
btw more of the harvest stage has been revealed, from what i've seen it looks about as gimmicky/memo as the extra, it seems fitting i suppose but it's gonna be a fun time learning about this stage. hopefully harvest nn is achievable, after all someone already did exnn, but fangame patterns in general are a slippery slope so i dunno.
i don't have his new twitter, can crested or someone else link it here?
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tmbox dying has nothing to do with any of this, it's just a stupid coincidence. From the beginning, it doesn't really matter whether or not links to the original songs were provided; the point is having artist information. A number of tracks were modified from their originals for FFF as well, so it isn't as though you "could listen to them".
You can access hiragimi's stuff. You might have to be able to read some Japanese and actually look around for it but it's not hidden or out of the way. That's the case for a lot of these artists; you just have to actually try to find them if you're interested in their works.
Vengeance? Sort of? He only uploaded there to offer an outlet to english-speaking fans. Then they "betrayed his trust", so to speak. It has nothing to do with "these specific people did something wrong so I'm punishing everyone", it's "people who don't understand the language or culture will tend to completely disregard any sort of culturally-acknowledged rules and not be able to understand even when it's explicitly written", which in this case confirmed his prejudices. If you're making it about yourselves as though he's doing other people a disservice by removing the bulletforge link that's missing the point.
I would be more inclined to agree with you if gore didn't have a history of flipping out any time anyone commits any small "rule infraction". He's had a lot of bile towards the western fanbase for a long time, this incident is just one in a long line of them. Tbh, it almost feels like he was waiting for someone to "break one of the rules" so he'd have a reason to make a big deal about it.
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I would be more inclined to agree with you if gore didn't have a history of flipping out any time anyone commits any small "rule infraction". He's had a lot of bile towards the western fanbase for a long time, this incident is just one in a long line of them. Tbh, it almost feels like he was waiting for someone to "break one of the rules" so he'd have a reason to make a big deal about it.
I don't disagree with that. But the fact of the matter is that he uploaded to bulletforge pretty much for westerners, people didn't follow terms of use, so he took down the upload aimed at that group. It's pretty clear-cut and saying "it's just gore" is misguided. Somebody flipping out over minor grievances isn't reason to ignore their complaints altogether either, especially when it's literally their work.
tbh when the creator himself doesn't even understand how his own gamefiles work and instead throws a major fit over something like this, i'm not going to take him seriously at all lmao. i already explained how it works earlier above.
He knows how it works. After this happened he went to investigate if you could decrypt files in-script (rather than the engine handling it) to prevent this. Whether the files are easily accessible or not shouldn't have anything to do with expecting people to not redistribute the data (what a concept), but if pressed about it of course you're going to ramp up security until the problem improves.
Like come on guys, gore can get mad and be unreasonable all he wants but that doesn't make people justified in going against him.
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I don't think anyone's saying he's wrong for feeling the way he does. He has every right to take down his game if his terms and conditions aren't being followed; he has every right to make the people on youtube take down the videos. But to quote gilde:
gore gets really over-the-top Internet Mad about ppl who repost touhou game music on youtube (which they should indeed not do w/o permission, to be fair) so he specifically made it so you have to hear a track in-game before it's unlocked in the music room. "to spite them!!" he said. there's........ literally nothing indicating that your scoredat upload had anything to do with the youtube reuploaders, but he still threw a big twitter fit over it last month and Swore Off Bulletforge Forever!! These Gaijin Just Can't Be Reasoned With!!
He's not just simply saying "people broke the rules so I'm upping security and taking down the game." He's turning this into "the western fanbase are no good dirty rotten etc etc etc who don't deserve what Japan has to offer!!!" like he always does.
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Well it's kind of both, like I said from the start. I'm not saying he isn't overreacting, largely pulling on prejudices, or making quick blanket judgments. It's entirely possible he set the "English-oriented" upload up half-expecting someone to confirm prejudices. But it is absolutely the case that the western fandom is incredibly bad about understanding the culture, respecting creators, and entitlement; acting with the mindset of requiring explicit restrictions instead of explicit permissions, and so on. I think it is completely fair for a Japanese person to assume that if an English-speaking audience (or Chinese, often enough) discovers their content, even if they write down terms of use and so on in that language, much of that audience will not respect it due to the differences in cultural mentality. If someone then comes to the conclusion that an audience that generally doesn't respect their content doesn't "deserve" to have that content, while I may not personally agree, it is a legitimate stance to have, and is not just about some seemingly racist sentiment as this seems to be commonly painted as.
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Ya what Drake said
helpful guide:
- Is Touhou fandom in the West/etc. often flagrantly disrespectful of creator wishes and resource crediting → Ya
- Should you rip the game soundtrack and post it to YouTube when the game creator said not to → No!! Duh!!
- Gore took down one of the game links? → Yes, it's his game that he made for free and he can do what he wants with it
- Does Gore have a bad attitude (not limited to this issue or Western fandom in specific) → Ya BUT, that has no bearing on the above things
- Is fruit game good → Yes, I liked the part where fruits happened
e: dangit i new-page'd it
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Okay, so someone told me that FFF's OneDrive link got taken down, so I went to check myself...
and found that gore took down the game downloads in September?!
From what limited google translate I can read, it looks like gore released the game without archiving textures, but someone from overseas did something and forced his hand
along with memory leaks and some other issues
Can someone with a better grasp of the language translate the blog post in question?
http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-23.html?sp
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Oh that post? He's just re-doing the file structure and graphics coding to improve efficiency, I've seen screens of it on twitter. It's got nothing to do with Overseas Drama or whatever
e: wait there's more in the post apparently. ok here
"I actually have a few reasons for taking the link down; in order to avoid lag (memory leak w/ object values) I had to distribute the game w/ ingame textures unarchived, but a bit of a problem came up overseas."
(i forgot that the graphics weren't archived in the original release until i checked just now lol.) So it's both "graphics tweaks" and "don't touch the game files please," which: no real reason for concern. It's his game, he can do what he wants w/ it, just let 'im be
There's another blog post only 4 days later showing off the new graphics efficiency tweaks (shotsheet spacing, separating character faces from the rest of the portrait like ZUN does) and some screenshots, so things are going fine. (the post in question: http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-24.html)
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Bump
http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-26.html
■Patch Note
2017/12/26 ver 1.10a Large update
- Script lag removed. Delete useless tasks.
- Adjusted the difficulty of some barrage scripts
- The image file was archived. Unauthorized use of data before archiving is prohibited.
- The new stage "Harvest" has been added.
In order to play immediately, you need to save the data that cleared ExtraStage at least once
- Other. The display of the user interface etc. was fixed.
BulletForge (http://www.bulletforge.org/u/gore/p/dong-fang-tian-hua-lou-touhou-tenkarou-frantically-forbidden-fruit-ver110a)
Onedrive (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsZNX0Vtc-HLgSJmb2D3pB-X0Rhv)
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Just cleared harvest, that survival spell was pretty damn cool. If only the game wasn't running at 20 fps so it was absolutely trivial...
So, I've captured al harvest spells, but I couldn't unlock the new last words. Do I have to do anything else or is my game broken?
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Just cleared harvest, that survival spell was pretty damn cool. If only the game wasn't running at 20 fps so it was absolutely trivial...
So, I've captured al harvest spells, but I couldn't unlock the new last words. Do I have to do anything else or is my game broken?
Gore has confirmed that something has gone horribly wrong with Spell Practice.
You know what that means.
(v1.10b then c then d then who knows how many more patches down the line)
In other news, god damn scoring changed a lot.
You get waaaaay less juice from most bullets, but a stupid amount of juice from the white/gray ones. On Ringo's survival spell i got 3 bottles twice from just one of those white aimed rings.
So I got this run https://imgur.com/dTI3m51
where I failed like 5 important spell bonuses so that's an extra 5b to be had
aaaaaand then gore told me on twitter that the DDC combo system can be extended through chapter bonuses by bombing/juicing which means i'm going to need to route stages a little bit
yes that's 2 million PiV cap.
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I have no problem with the all LW but the only thing that bugged me that both Akis still using their themes instead of the LW theme :-s
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https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/963072451528736773
v1.11a patch released, fixes crashing bug(s?) related to the Game Over menu, and fixes some LW related stuff
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Version 1.11b released. (https://twitter.com/Maxim_Heart/status/963696679953227776) Includes fix for spell no. 189 in Spell Practice.
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Well, well, well. He's diving straight back in to making a new game.
http://50dnh.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-28.html?sp
東方門殊銭 (Touhou Monjusen) ～ Bubbling Imaginary Treasures is his third danmakufu fangame, and looks to be built off FFF's engine.
Reimu, Marisa, Sanae and Komachi are playables, and each of them have 3 shot type options, similar to Riverbed Soul Saver. That's 12 shottypes, with 24 unique unfocused/focused bombs...
The game is still veeeeery early in development, but as usual, gore is posting updates on his twitter (now under @fifty_pl00). It seems that Nazrin will return as a boss, probably Stage 1.
https://twitter.com/fifty_pl00/status/981276673655037952?s=19
Trial is planned to be released this or next year, with the full release set for Winter 2019.
...uhh, something FFF. Someone on Nico uploaded a 55b scorerun on Normal. I'm trying to reach that.
Edit: From what I can decipher from the story, the incident is that the Hakurei Shrine's donation box is overflowing with money!! or something like that
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Wait a minute... that art...
It almost doesn't look traced...
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that's because it isn't
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monju_reimu_think.png
I always figured the portrait edits were a cute intentional thing?
This new game looks too... normal. We're gonna get shooked. The gameplay description makes it sound like MPP. Do we really want another MPP?
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Do we really want another MPP?
I do. But feel free to block me for my opinions :)
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The problem with MPP is that the skill tree system makes little sense, the game ends up unbalanced because of the skill tree (and because of certain other dumb mechanics/bugs), and the game runs poorly. I can already tell you that at least one of those things will happen with this upcoming game.
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The problem with MPP is that the skill tree system makes little sense, the game ends up unbalanced because of the skill tree (and because of certain other dumb mechanics/bugs), and the game runs poorly. I can already tell you that at least one of those things will happen with this upcoming game.
What a positive outlook when the game's system hasn't even been revealed yet.
MPP's skill tree system had little to no impact on the game at all; the bonuses were not just situational, the effects were also not evident. The game running poorly is because it's Danmakufu, of course it's not optimized. If FFF ran badly for you, Gore provides an extensive menu of effects that you can cut to make it run smoother.
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the gameplay description just says "collect money and then use it to do Special Move". it's a pretty big leap to assume that means it'll be Exactly Like MPP Run For The Hills imo, especially since gore himself doesn't have the highest opinion of mpp or rss in the first place
e: you know what i'm looking forward to! playable komachi! three whole shot types of playable komachi! the player descriptions in the twitter progress shots make all the shot types sound fun and inventive but komachi in particular i am excited to see
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Some really odd takes going on in here, considering that until very recently I was one of the very few people who even saw all these fangames as anything more than bad jokes. In certain terrible-unfun circles, I still am, of course.
Yes, it is a pretty big leap... and I'm not the one saying that, at all. "collect money and use it to special move" sounds a bit more like Oreani 2 or something maybe. That claim about Gore vs th-jss is pretty firey btw, can I get a source?
What a positive outlook when the game's system hasn't even been revealed yet.
MPP's skill tree system had little to no impact on the game at all; the bonuses were not just situational, the effects were also not evident. The game running poorly is because it's Danmakufu, of course it's not optimized. If FFF ran badly for you, Gore provides an extensive menu of effects that you can cut to make it run smoother.
MPP ran poorly because there's something totally busted in the way it was coded. It actually runs slightly better with certain effects on. RSS and BoSM run significantly better at all times, despite having the same or (arguably) higher graphical quality (especially when you pop a Liberation in RSS).
I'm guessing this is something like how people think dnh v0.12m games ran poorly and endlessly made fun of them for it, despite exactly zero v0.12m scripts (except for some mysterious joke script that noone's ever even heard of, I guess) being anywhere near intensive enough to require anything more than a mid-range Pentium 4.
As for your totally crazy claim about the skill tree... no. Just... no, I mean there's nothing else for it, literally no. Go play some MPP, and don't let Sanae hit you on the way out.
And people tell me to do research. Lord. I don't know, I think I have pretty good reason to be at least a little worried, and I don't see why people feel a need to explain why I shouldn't, especially when that explanation involves totally wrong basic knowledge about games they almost certainly haven't played. This may or may not have something to do with my worry! Probably! Maybe. I don't really like how fangame developers are increasingly trying to appeal to these people, no.
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I'm not the one saying that [it'll be like MPP], at all
The gameplay description makes it sound like MPP. Do we really want another MPP?
The problem with MPP is that (etc). I can already tell you that at least one of those things will happen with this upcoming game.
???
e: i probably should also say that no, i didn't actually think you Literally assumed it was going to be Literally Exactly like mpp. 'twas hyperbole
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That kind of hyperbole doesn't really work. It just causes more confusion on top of the initial confusion, plus additional confusion when you're told that it's supposed to be hyperbole. Proof: "pretty big leap" keeps flipping back and forth between "it'll be like MPP" and "it'll be a 1:1 copy of MPP". Why is that? That's not hyperbole. I said the former. I did not and will never say anything even remotely resembling the latter. I'm tired of word games, and attempts at hyperbole, and things that aren't plain English. I am endlessly surrounded by it and endlessly frustrated by it.
FFF is already a really dumb game in the fruit mode. Whatever this game turns out to be, there's good reason to believe it'll be more of that same dumbness, and I have a feeling that this game system isn't going to warrant a separate mode like FFF's did. I'd still like a source about Gore's opinions of other games, if anyone has that.
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I don't see how that's all that confusing. Just replace "Exactly Like MPP Run For The Hills" with "like MPP" and it accomplished the same thing, the point was that you said the description reminded you of MPP when all that's really been talked about was finding money and using it for special moves.
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In the groups I'm in, most people have pretty low expectations for gore's next work as both PoIM and FFF had a lot of poor design choices. But FFF was significantly better than PoIM, so we're hoping that the trend continues and this next game is even better. Benefit of the doubt and all that.
I don't think anyone's saying "you have low expectations for this game wow your opinion sucks." They're saying "why are you making big comparisons between this and MPP when we've been given so little information about this game?"
The problem with MPP is that the skill tree system makes little sense, the game ends up unbalanced because of the skill tree (and because of certain other dumb mechanics/bugs), and the game runs poorly. I can already tell you that at least one of those things will happen with this upcoming game.
That comment stands out specifically. You have no reason to believe that "at least one of those things will happen with this upcoming game" other than gore's track record with previous games. It's one thing to have low expectations, it's another to assert "I already know how it's gonna be and it's gonna be bad".
Also...
The gameplay description makes it sound like MPP. Do we really want another MPP?
the gameplay description just says "collect money and then use it to do Special Move". it's a pretty big leap to assume that means it'll be Exactly Like MPP Run For The Hills imo, especially since gore himself doesn't have the highest opinion of mpp or rss in the first place
Yes, it is a pretty big leap... and I'm not the one saying that, at all.
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As for your totally crazy claim about the skill tree... no. Just... no, I mean there's nothing else for it, literally no. Go play some MPP, and don't let Sanae hit you on the way out.
And people tell me to do research. Lord. I don't know, I think I have pretty good reason to be at least a little worried, and I don't see why people feel a need to explain why I shouldn't, especially when that explanation involves totally wrong basic knowledge about games they almost certainly haven't played. This may or may not have something to do with my worry! Probably! Maybe. I don't really like how fangame developers are increasingly trying to appeal to these people, no.
Sorry for saying this, but you really need to cool down a bit and stop assuming everything about everything. Everyone has their own opinions and to be honest I don't mind fangame devs trying to appeal to a wider audience, if there's something wrong with it, feel free to enlighten me. The most I can think of is making the game too easy, but hey this is why we have different difficulty modes. Also before you call people for using "totally wrong basic knowledge about games" could you explain a little further what you mean by that? I've never seen anyone try to argue for or against a fangame they have never played in their life, especially Touhou one. The most I've seen are people talking about OST without playing the games, but in all honesty while it's better to experience OST in game for the first time ((since it usually goes hand in hand with gameplay)) I'm certain it's nothing that could be damaging to a dev or their community.
(...) especially since gore himself doesn't have the highest opinion of mpp or rss in the first place
Hmm interesting. Tbh Gore's games do feel like anti Ido games at this point. Both in plot (MPP and RSS ones try to take themselves seriously, like an actual Touhou game, while PoIM is that radical crossover and FFF is kind of all over the place - AlphaRingo included), gameplay and everything else (one is happy to share and distribute the OST, another is well... we've talked about it on this thread already). I've imagined there might be some rivalry going on, but I do hope it's at least a healthy kind of rivalry - aka both teams will try to improve to outdo the competitor.
e: you know what i'm looking forward to! playable komachi! three whole shot types of playable komachi! the player descriptions in the twitter progress shots make all the shot types sound fun and inventive but komachi in particular i am excited to see
Wait? Really? That's interesting. The only fangames to make Koishi playable were previously Shining Shooting Star and Chaos of Black Dragon/Chaos of Black Loong so I'm really interested to see where they will go with her.
Also Sanae is confirmed so that's good and I feel like Gore might want to make another game chuckful of playable characters and with a flair customization. I only hope this time they will try to make the stage and boss content more appealing. My biggest issues with their fangames is that outside of obvious issues (like the balance of the spells being all over the place) most of the time I feel like they just recycle known patterns without any interesting twists. That's why Stages 3 to 5 in FFF were a highlight for me, they've showcased something different with boss fights with characters who were mostly in fighting games and not every theme was an arrange of a theme we've heard thousand of times already.
So at the same time, sure I don't have highest expectations for their latest game, because of the devs' record, but at the same I agree with TresserT, FFF improved a lot and if Gore will keep on improving and listening to the feedback they might be up to something big.
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The only fangames to make Koishi playable were previously Shining Shooting Star and Chaos of Black Dragon/Chaos of Black Loong so I'm really interested to see where they will go with her.
gilde said Komachi, not Koishi.
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Oh shut you're right.
That actually makes it even better, I've always felt like Komachi was one of the more interesting and well designed characters of ZUN's and it's a shame that outside of SSR and her debut game she doesn't get any involvement.