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Title: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: N-Forza on December 07, 2011, 01:24:45 PM: Amazon link (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9%E6%B1%82%E8%81%9E%E5%8F%A3%E6%8E%88-%EF%BD%9E-Symposium-Post-mysticism-%EF%BC%88%E4%BB%AE%EF%BC%89-ZUN/dp/4758012318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323259815&sr=8-1)

Not much in the way of details yet, but it comes out on January 26th, and looks to be another character/setting book like PMiSS was. From the looks of it, it will pick up where PMiSS left off and cover the stuff from MoF to TD, with perhaps a debate spin on the whole thing, giving how there is now Shinto, Buddhism and Taoism all vying for attention/faith/etc. The current "cover" is just a placeholder, but there might even be a new character, too...
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on December 07, 2011, 03:05:34 PM: While I'll probably never be able to buy this, I'm still really hyped. Looks like things are going to get really interesting (again).
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Berzul on December 07, 2011, 03:28:17 PM: Zun Zun Zun! Release one thing every 6 months, massive orgasm... ahhhhhhh
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Gpop on December 07, 2011, 03:29:30 PM: Finally, Akyu info on Koishi <3
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Stuffman on December 07, 2011, 03:32:44 PM: YES

We needed another PMiSS so bad. I expect this to be fully translated within ten minutes of release. Otherwise heads will roll!
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Berzul on December 07, 2011, 03:47:01 PM: Huh.. the text is barely readable at this size...
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 07, 2011, 03:49:36 PM: Oh yessssss. This is great. :D I am so looking forward to it.

...A post-mystic symposium? Isn't that one of those hipster bars?
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Lepetit89 on December 07, 2011, 03:52:43 PM: Quote from: Berzul on December 07, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
Huh.. the text is barely readable at this size...

You can click the picture for a greater resolution, can read it just fine aside from two or three Kanji.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Tamashii Kanjou on December 07, 2011, 03:58:42 PM: Hype get?

HYPE MOTHERF***ING GET!!!

I can not wait to see this. Also, would it be possible to ask for a translation of whatever it says on the front?
Also, how much are we looking at here? (I know most will deal in dollars, but I want English Pounds here~ <3 ) I may want in on a preorder... Which is odd, seeing as I've never preordered anything in my life. :V
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: AJS on December 07, 2011, 04:25:31 PM: I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! Can't wait! :]
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Drake on December 07, 2011, 04:28:25 PM: nforza i am ordering this so hard when it comes out
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Hatateru on December 07, 2011, 04:35:24 PM: I'm so getting this as a birthday present :3
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on December 07, 2011, 06:12:10 PM: YES THIS IS AWESOME

Now watch it contradict every Touhou fanfic that's been written since MoF. :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Tiamat on December 07, 2011, 06:23:05 PM: Wow, for the past month I was thinking to myself, "You know, it'd be great if we got another PMiSS type book now." This is great!

Who's that girl looking over Marisa's shoulder? Is that Remilia? I thought it'd be one of the newer characters but I can't recognize her ^^;
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 07, 2011, 06:26:57 PM: Quote from: Akemi Homururo on December 07, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
YES THIS IS AWESOME

Now watch it contradict every Touhou fanfic that's been written since MoF. :colonveeplusalpha:

Or better yet, confirm them. >:D
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on December 07, 2011, 06:31:24 PM: Oh, I'll still read it. It's going to be wonderful to see the post-MoF characters fleshed out like this.

Specifically locations. I found article collections like the "Dangerous Area Guide" (places like Nameless Hill, the Road of Liminality, etc) to be really interesting, but also very ignored in fanworks. I very much look forward to cannibalizing the information in this book for fun and profit.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Vyrien on December 07, 2011, 06:50:27 PM: Oh god, I am going to need this being as all my favourite characters were post MoF. I wonder if there will be any way of getting it to the UK not horrendously overpriced.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on December 07, 2011, 07:02:03 PM: OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

DO WANT. NAO. :getdown:
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Starxsword on December 08, 2011, 04:30:39 AM: Wow, looks like an amazing book. Some more stuff to think about and maybe even new theories Akyuu provides or will it be some
other narrator?
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Arknarok on December 08, 2011, 06:06:04 AM: Basic translation:

"A new book on Touhou Project appears. It continues the work started by Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red, Perfect Memento in Strict Sense and Grimoire of Marisa, and, as always, features new text information, all by ZUN.
It will focus on Gensokyo religious aspects and youkai extermination, with 3 major powers fighting for their points of view! Shinto, buddhism, taoism... are they still disputing!? Will humanity be safe? Can a conclusion be reached? Who is one that started this? The discussion conveyed in 6 chapters will decide the future of Gensokyo! [Went for a more literal approach in the last sentence so I'm less likely to be misunderstood]
At the same time, it will also introduce the characters that appear from Mountain of Faith to Ten Desires. Various sources, such as Gensokyo Chronicle, Bunbunmaru and Kakashi Nenhou newspapers are cited to help the argument." [It's Kakashi Nenhou, right? Kakashi Spirit News or something? I'm not sure]

Can be a bit incorrect, etc etc...
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Ivan The Mouse on December 08, 2011, 06:26:55 AM: Ohoho.

Looks like we've got something to anticipate these days.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Angelfire on December 08, 2011, 12:48:59 PM: I'll look into it once I either a) learn how to read moonrunes or b) this somehow gets translated to English.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: N-Forza on December 08, 2011, 12:53:00 PM: Assuming there is someone who will transcribe it, it'll probably get translated soon enough. I'll be working on it, at the very least.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Helepolis on December 08, 2011, 02:44:08 PM: Quote from: N-Forza on December 08, 2011, 12:53:00 PM
Assuming there is someone who will transcribe it, it'll probably get translated soon enough. I'll be working on it, at the very least.
YES

Heard about it on IRC, though Forza-confirmed == confirmed.

At last, the long long LONG waiting has shown its fruits. How I was wishing and hoping since release of UFO on a continuation of Gensokyo's canon facts.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on December 08, 2011, 02:55:57 PM: Quote from: Tamashii Kanjou on December 07, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
Also, how much are we looking at here? (I know most will deal in dollars, but I want English Pounds here~ <3 ) I may want in on a preorder... Which is odd, seeing as I've never preordered anything in my life. :V
1800 x 0.008 = 1.8 x 8 = 8 + 6.4 = 14.4 English pounds :V

also:
Quote from: Akemi Homururo on December 07, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
YES THIS IS AWESOME

Now watch it contradict every Touhou fanfic that's been written since MoF. :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: ApharmdB on December 09, 2011, 02:49:12 AM: Damn. Now I just need a time machine to fast forward to Jan 26 :3

For all the fanfics and doujin comics that I've read, I still find that nothing quite tickles the craving for more stories of our favourite eastern wonderland like official print works like CiLR/PMiSS/BAiJR/etc...
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Project: J-ko on December 09, 2011, 03:09:53 AM: Oh look! It's the new #1 thing on my Amazon wishlist. :V

I want full disclosure on all Jiangshis in Gensokyo, AND I WANT IT NOW!! :3
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 09, 2011, 03:23:47 AM: Quote from: Arknarok on December 08, 2011, 06:06:04 AM
Basic translation:

It will focus on Gensokyo religious aspects and youkai extermination, with 3 major powers fighting for their points of view! Shinto, buddhism, taoism... are they still disputing!? Will humanity be safe? Can a conclusion be reached? Who is one that started this? The discussion conveyed in 6 chapters will decide the future of Gensokyo!

Oh hoh. I totally called this back at Ten Desire's release. I knew Miko's influence would not just be as simple as "set up events for the next game and bow out" like the previous entries. Now I am doubly interested in reading this. :3
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Palewolf on December 09, 2011, 03:44:05 AM: Woho! Feed us moar cannon plz.

I should step up my japanese studies in anticipation for this, not that it means that i will be able to read it but anyway. :derp:
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Totaku on December 09, 2011, 07:42:32 AM: Quote from: Arknarok on December 08, 2011, 06:06:04 AM
Basic translation:

"A new book on Touhou Project appears. It continues the work started by Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red, Perfect Memento in Strict Sense and Grimoire of Marisa, and, as always, features new text information, all by ZUN.
It will focus on Gensokyo religious aspects and youkai extermination, with 3 major powers fighting for their points of view! Shinto, buddhism, taoism... are they still disputing!? Will humanity be safe? Can a conclusion be reached? Who is one that started this? The discussion conveyed in 6 chapters will decide the future of Gensokyo! [Went for a more literal approach in the last sentence so I'm less likely to be misunderstood]
At the same time, it will also introduce the characters that appear from Mountain of Faith to Ten Desires. Various sources, such as Gensokyo Chronicle, Bunbunmaru and Kakashi Nenhou newspapers are cited to help the argument." [It's Kakashi Nenhou, right? Kakashi Spirit News or something? I'm not sure]

Can be a bit incorrect, etc etc...

Kakashi Spirit News? Then that means.... we're some articles written by Hatate? Hohohoho I'm so looking forward to this.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on December 09, 2011, 10:50:23 AM: Quote from: Totaku on December 09, 2011, 07:42:32 AM
Kakashi Spirit News? Then that means.... we're some articles written by Hatate? Hohohoho I'm so looking forward to this.

Calling it now: Aya and Hatate write very nasty articles about each other.

or since ZUN loves to gutpunch fanon, they'll be writing love letters to each other.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: iK on December 09, 2011, 11:03:52 AM: Momoji's article is about how much canon Aya thinks she is too serious, my guess.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Bias Bus on December 09, 2011, 11:45:14 AM: I speak on the same page as most of us when I saw this was something we certainly needed what with all the new stuff out and little (canon) info about to help us along. That all said, I can safely say that this is one of my first times actually getting excited to see another work from Touhou. Which is good.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Angelfire on December 09, 2011, 12:26:19 PM: Quote from: TAKE YOUR WIFE BACK! on December 09, 2011, 10:50:23 AM
or since ZUN loves to gutpunch fanon, they'll be writing love letters to each other.

ZUN can be almost as bad as Hussie at times. This could very easily turn out to be one of them.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on December 09, 2011, 02:41:17 PM: Quote from: Angelfire on December 09, 2011, 12:26:19 PM
ZUN can be almost as bad as Hussie at times. This could very easily turn out to be one of them.

I see them in a tie at destroying fannon. :derp:
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Helepolis on December 09, 2011, 04:16:29 PM: The book would do nothing on the fanfics. Because dark tewi remains dark tewi. We'll just have less speculations (I think/hope) on their behaviour powers if we try to make it canon.

2012 is a good year until now!
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Berzul on December 09, 2011, 06:20:40 PM: Quote from: Helepolis on December 09, 2011, 04:16:29 PM
2012 is a good year until now!
It's not 2012... yet :P
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: shadowbringer on December 10, 2011, 03:44:04 PM: Quote from: nintendonut888 on December 07, 2011, 06:26:57 PM
Or better yet, confirm them. >:D

iirc only this needs to be confirmed :V

http://www.mediafire.com/?jlmej3ow2lt

if Touhou Tag Dream would be confirmed, for example, I would dislike Shou and Marisa so much. Except (as a forever novice programmer something) I see "if" differently, in that I haven't actually given much thought regarding the sentence itself :p

More importantly, can't confirm fanon if fanworks often contradict themselves :V And more canon material (when done in a not-so-much restrictive manner) would actually help fanworks.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: iK on December 11, 2011, 04:04:16 AM: I think people mean "most common Fanon" when they say Fanon. Though even then you have characters like Mokou who jump all over the place in fanon.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Helepolis on December 11, 2011, 09:47:55 AM: Quote from: iK on December 11, 2011, 04:04:16 AM
I think people mean "most common Fanon" when they say Fanon.
Not really, when I mean fanon it is basically fan-made up characteristic behaviour of any kind. Common or not.

Also, the way ZUN puts Touhou into canon. We all know he never answers or gives 100% info on the universe of gensokyo. We all know that when you don't have 100% answers, you start making up your own facts/believes. Because that way it remains more interesting. Would be boring to see a Touhou girl X being fully explained with no room for own thoughts.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: warpshadow on December 11, 2011, 12:04:08 PM: Actually I think Fanon would be helped by this book. After all a few more paragraphs to explain Ichirin could always be helpful to the creation of new Myourenji doujin.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Tiamat on December 11, 2011, 04:57:59 PM: It's nigh impossible for any creator to fully explain every aspect of a character to the point where there's nothing left for fanon to interpret or play with, anyways. Heck, truthfully, after Cage in Lunatic Runagate, a lot of characters have been more fleshed out than most RPG characters even after you include official written works within that RPG, yet there's still tons of ways for fanon to interpret and flesh things out more with.

Granted, the fact that no one dies in Touhou and the "storyline" consists of incidents that get resolved rather than one major story being concluded helps things a bit, I guess. Hard for fanon to write a post FFVII fic that includes Sephiroth and Jenova without some sort of contrived ressurection thing when Sephiroth and Jenova are dead, or to further explore Cloud's character when he's character-developed out of a lot of his flaws throughout the FFVII storyline. .....not that that stopped Squaresoft from doing it (they just... went ahead with the contrived ressurection and ret-conned the character development anyways)

(as an aside, Touhou actually does have minor character development, but not to the point where a character at the beginning of the story is 100% different from the end. But that's off-topic from my original point)

ZUN could write an entire novel and there still would be room for the fanon to play with things. Heck, JK Rowling wrote 7 and yet the fandom still goes wild with Harry Potter.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on December 11, 2011, 06:57:08 PM: Um, he doesn't need to actually do much in order to change canon and shatter fanon. You saw what a few side comments in Double Spoiler did to Momizi and Aya's canon relationship, right? He didn't need to write a whole novel for that.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Tiamat on December 11, 2011, 10:33:58 PM: That... wasn't really my point. My post was about a completely different subject in this thread than the one you're referring to.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Savory on December 12, 2011, 12:15:41 AM: Haha, how did we get to the topic of a religious war in a world full of magic and monsters? Seems out of place to me.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 12, 2011, 12:47:46 AM: Not really. Considering Gensokyo is host to the proverbial 8 million gods, not to mention the keystone of the realm is a shrine maiden, religion is a pretty big issue in Gensokyo (not to mention the monsters of mythological origins as well). This has especially been the case since Kanako tried to take over in MoF, which has indirectly led to Buddhism and Taoism sprouting back up. Heck, it's almost as if the past four games have been leading to the subject of this book. I can't wait to see how ZUN develops things from here~
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Sality on December 12, 2011, 01:45:48 AM: Looking at the brighter side, I am very excited to know more about my favorite characters (i.e Sanae, Parsee, Nazrin, and Seiga). For example, Sanae; I've been speculating here and there in regard to her background, with references to Little Girl series by Personal Color; I just hope what's written in Sanae's entry wouldn't contradict what's implied by it too far.

But if the worse case scenario becomes true, then someone please bury my corpse under a cherry tree.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: warpshadow on December 12, 2011, 08:08:58 AM: Quote from: Sality on December 12, 2011, 01:45:48 AM

But if the worse case scenario becomes true, then someone please bury my corpse under a cherry tree.
Only if you promise that your ghost won't steal spring one day.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: game2011 on December 13, 2011, 12:36:25 PM: You think Momiji will finally get a full body artwork? The closest she's ever got to artworks are cameo appearances in the mangas.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Helepolis on December 13, 2011, 02:00:21 PM: She featured in Double Spoilers, so we can guess a yes. But knowing ZUN being the biggest troll, you'll never know.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Savory on December 13, 2011, 03:23:29 PM: Quote from: game2011 on December 13, 2011, 12:36:25 PM
You think Momiji will finally get a full body artwork?

Of course she will xD
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: Reddyne on December 13, 2011, 04:25:06 PM: Quote from: Gpop on December 07, 2011, 03:29:30 PM
Finally, Akyu info on Koishi <3
I'm actually looking forward to that, too, but for a much broader reason. There have been a handful of characters that simply don't have enough info to elaborate upon who they are and fandom around these characters hasn't provided me with much/enough input for me to feel strongly about them. I'm also looking forward to reading positive stuff on the characters I enjoy and characters I don't so that it helps me think of them in a more positive manner,
aaaaand maybe a bit more fuel for the few I loathe.
Quote from: game2011 on December 13, 2011, 12:36:25 PM
You think Momiji will finally get a full body artwork? The closest she's ever got to artworks are cameo appearances in the mangas.
Nyu? (http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/1/17/MomijiOSP.jpg) Yeah, I like when the mid-boss or side characters get some love.
Title: Re: ZUN's next book: Symposium of Post-mysticism
Post by: game2011 on December 13, 2011, 04:28:44 PM: Quote from: Freddyne on December 13, 2011, 04:25:06 PM
Nyu?[/url] Yeah, I like when the mid-boss or side characters get some love.
The link you posted doesn't work.

Also, what if Tokiko is featured in that book, and her real name is revealed? Probably won't happen, but it's still fun imagining that! Imagine the amount of fan arts showing her celebrating the revelation of her real name!

What if ZUN decides to call her Tokiko, thus making that name official? Well, that happened with Koakuma... On the side note, Daiyousei isn't actually that fairies name, but the species name.