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Now that the english patch is out, a thread is warranted. Post here your doubts, your "halp cannot clear"s, your "I didn't see that reference coming"s, your everything!
For the uneducated: This game is a creation of Sanbondo, who taking the Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden engine as inspiration, created a short (15 stages per route, 20 unique ones overall), but really nice game based on the system, with it's own difficulties. If you rush within the game, YOU WILL CRY. Thread go!
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The english patch is currently available here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11076.msg735356.html#new) for those who may have overlooked it or can't find it.
Also, for those who are interested in the game but not playing it or wish to see the game in action, etc, I'll be doing a quick livestream of the game later today at around 6 pm Est (3 hours 30 minutes from this post for reference). The first hour or so will basically be me dicking around with other games to allow people to find or rememeber the stream is going on and let people generally flood in. Maybe only 30 minutes if people flood in and make a lynchmob for me to get going, and I'll prolly run it to maybe 9 to 9:30, so don't worry too much about being punctual/late.
Since it will be streaming the game, spoilers will probably be there. I'll likely do normal or something because Zengar wants to be there when I do hard or EX and I don't think I'll unlock EX particularly fast.
edit: also it'll be a blind run, haven't touched the game in the least.
The livestream will be Here. (http://www.livestream.com/failedlibrary) It'll be voiced so you all can laugh at how awful my voice is too! As well as live.
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For those playing this, there are some spots in the game that have some dialogue, just minor stuff, nothing relevant. There are also
some hidden items at Patchouli's stage.
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I can play this in Japanese, knowing Chinese means the seishins are easy bucket to read and see what they do.
I only played this a little in hard mode, but is it normal for me to die a lot on Mission 1 Marisa? At least you keep your levels, so you can just pretty much grind. (there is not even any SP penalties as far as I know)
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At least you keep your levels, so you can just pretty much grind. (there is not even any SP penalties as far as I know)
Yeah, that's a normal feature in SRW games, but I think you don't get the WPs from a stage in this game if you have game overed. Every stage should still be clearable in one go without grinding anything (E: not sure about Lunatic since I haven't tried that yet).
Also more people should play this game because it's so damn awesome. I love the guys who did the music.
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Also more people should play this game because it's so damn awesome. I love the guys who did the music.
The OST also comes with some extra tracks, including the version of Flowering Night that was featured in the preview of the next game!
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I love Youmu's themes in this game, so much better than her theme in PCB or the fighting games. Yuuka's music is pretty awesome
scary and it instills a sense of fear.
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What'd you expect when she's(Yuuka) the Bian Zoldark/Shu Shirakawa of the game?
I mean heck, on the one stage where you can fight her, she doesn't do much of anything, other than just tank attacks like a boss.
Heck, I moved well into her attack range and started hammering away, but she never countered. Nor did she attack on the enemy turns.
I had more to worry about from Sakuya, Kurumi, and Elly than I did her.
And she's all the more imposing for it, because she didn't even do anything. She basically regarded me as a non-issue, like the buzzing of flies.
And going by how well she was tanking(or DblImg evading), my attacks may as well have been that, for all the good they did.
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I heard that if you Master Spark her, she will show you her own, not sure if this is true or not.
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Heck, I moved well into her attack range and started hammering away, but she never countered. Nor did she attack on the enemy turns.
Lucky. I attacked her with Meditation Slash, did barely a quarter of her HP, then she countered with her most basic attack and OHKO'd Youmu.
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I heard that if you Master Spark her, she will show you her own, not sure if this is true or not.
I've not tested this either, but from what I've heard, yes she'll start sparking back with 8-range Master Spark that hits stupidly hard.
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I've not tested this either, but from what I've heard, yes she'll start sparking back with 8-range Master Spark that hits stupidly hard.
Confirming this myself. Also. Haven't seen it myself but apparently it has a MAP version on Lunatic.
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Haven't seen it myself but apparently it has a MAP version on Lunatic.
That happens in other difficulties too. And she happily blasts Elly and Kurumi with that too if they are in the way :V
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That happens in other difficulties too. And she happily blasts Elly and Kurumi with that too if they are in the way :V
Remember kids, Don't fuck with Yuuka. :V
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Just got to 'final stage' on Reimu Route...
DAAAAAAAAAYUM. I did NOT rush through the game at all and I still feel pretty underleveled for this. :V I hope it goes better on Marisa route... I take it you can stack all the upgrades together with replaying so you can upgrade everybody to 100%?
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Just got to 'final stage' on Reimu Route...
DAAAAAAAAAYUM. I did NOT rush through the game at all and I still feel pretty underleveled for this. :V I hope it goes better on Marisa route... I take it you can stack all the upgrades together with replaying so you can upgrade everybody to 100%?
Sorry to say it but there's no New Game Plus. However, your clear data will be able to transfer over to the second game, still in development.
If you do lose, you just restart the fight with all your exp that you gained from the previous run, so make sure you Save-Suspend if you do, and dont overwite it with anything that didnt come from trying and retrying it,
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Sorry to say it but there's no New Game Plus. However, your clear data will be able to transfer over to the second game, still in development.
If you do lose, you just restart the fight with all your exp that you gained from the previous run, so make sure you Save-Suspend if you do, and dont overwite it with anything that didnt come from trying and retrying it,
Damn. Just realized it the hard way after SOMEHOW winning the last fight... it was hard, even on Normal. :ohdear:
I'm not sure I understand the way you're saying to lvl the characters...
-Save/Suspend
-lose battle
-restart, keep all XP, lose all WP?
Is that... what it is? ???
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I am not sure how that works, but I am guessing if you lose, they give you an option to restart? With that option, maybe you get to
keep all XP you earned, but you won't get any WP for that stage.
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If you lose you get kicked back to the intermission menu, but you retain all your XP and points. If it works like SRW, the WP bonus is lost forever (You can't get it when retrying the stage).
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I can confirm that.
You lose the WP you would've gained that stage.
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I can confirm that.
You lose the WP you would've gained that stage.
If you lose you get kicked back to the intermission menu, but you retain all your XP and points. If it works like SRW, the WP bonus is lost forever (You can't get it when retrying the stage).
Thanks for the info-- just confirmed it myself after farming the first stage on Lunatic for a good 2 hours or so... only got about 60k points before I decided to call it quits and move on...
... but I didn't realize you could actually go to the intermission menu right away. Perhaps I didn't get it because I was on Stage 1 and there was no menu to work with at that point, but... if it works, does that mean I can also invest my Graze points right away? I should've gotten about 200+ out of my adventures but I only ended the stage with like 90... :ohdear:
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RETRYING IS FOR SISSIES
FULL CHARGE
ALL DAY
ERRY DAY
So far up to stage 5, haven't had to retry yet, gotten all the WP bonuses (yay Akyu). Even managed to kill Sakuya with a well placed Headbutt support. I can also confirm that Sakuya will leave even if you use a bomb to bring her below her threshold rather than attacks.
...I am going to get my ass handed to me so hard later on, aren't I? :getdown:
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Nah. I beat the game without retrying. Just load the whole thing if you feel like you made the wrong move or something.
The game is pretty tough later on though.
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If you lose you get kicked back to the intermission menu, but you retain all your XP and points. If it works like SRW, the WP bonus is lost forever (You can't get it when retrying the stage).
This, but not quite the intermission, it goes to unit select.
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Now I remembered what I wanted to ask.
Who's worth leveling? Are people going to keep popping in and out of my party? I assume I'll have Reimu and Keine, and probably Marisa and Nitori, for pretty much the entire game. But do I want to sink valuable points into, say, Rumia, or Youmu?
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Now I remembered what I wanted to ask.
Who's worth leveling? Are people going to keep popping in and out of my party? I assume I'll have Reimu and Keine, and probably Marisa and Nitori, for pretty much the entire game. But do I want to sink valuable points into, say, Rumia, or Youmu?
For WP, Daiyousei is worth putting a lvl into, because it makes her Heal ability be free for use. If you lvl her she can gain more SP for more healing as well, just like Keine. Marisa and Reimu's WP let you do stupid amounts of damage if you crit. Keine's boosts adjacent units' XP. Haven't checked the others, myself, but so far, the ones I got have been pretty useful.
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Now I remembered what I wanted to ask.
Who's worth leveling? Are people going to keep popping in and out of my party? I assume I'll have Reimu and Keine, and probably Marisa and Nitori, for pretty much the entire game. But do I want to sink valuable points into, say, Rumia, or Youmu?
What Trickster-kun said, Daiyousei is definitely worth putting one level in to get the free heals. She will automatically level very fast once
she heals. If you go Reimu's route, I guess leveling Keine and Reimu is good, since you'll be using them the whole game. Of course, if you
take Marisa's route, level up Nitori and Marisa.
As for which characters I think are good. Keine is really good, her defense is amazing, so buffing her and giving her defense support is
exceptionally useful. Youmu is probably one of the best characters in the game, having solid defense, really high evasion, hit rate, and damage.
I like the 140 graze point buffs, the ones that give +10 to 2 stats when your power reaches 130+, those are useful.
Keine's wife ability, I find to be only so so. The xp bonus isn't that important, because xp scales in this game. Level difference between
you and the target gives you more or less xp. So, a level 10 Daiyousei uses her heal ability on a level 16 Reimu, she will probably get enough
xp to level up once. This is also why Daiyousei is one of the highest level characters in my party, but even so she will still get one shotted
if a boss hits her.
Remember, if you fly, you use up 1 MP per step. If you walk, you do not use up MP per step, and you auto-regenerate a bit of MP per turn.
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Questions if anybody can answer.
Rumia stinks, I am intentionally avoiding her from landing a killing blow so she doesn't eat precious exp from more useful characters. Is this a mistake? I mean does she get a useful ex-rumia mode later on or something?
Also how do I support attack? I plant keine next to an enemy and wait, then attack with someone else, no support. Ok fine. Sometimes keine didn't even move yet, and I attack with another ally, keen still won't support. Why do!? Also I always hear about support headbutts, can she support with other attacks? Is there a way to tell what attacks support if I spend graze on support attack?
Also, anybody know the URL for the Japanese wiki? I can't find it at touhou wiki net.
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Questions if anybody can answer.
Rumia stinks, I am intentionally avoiding her from landing a killing blow so she doesn't eat precious exp from more useful characters. Is this a mistake? I mean does she get a useful ex-rumia mode later on or something?
She gets no stronger than she already is. (Though some mid-nearendgame stages are Ngt terrain where she performs slightly better)
Also how do I support attack? I plant keine next to an enemy and wait, then attack with someone else, no support. Ok fine. Sometimes keine didn't even move yet, and I attack with another ally, keen still won't support. Why do!? Also I always hear about support headbutts, can she support with other attacks? Is there a way to tell what attacks support if I spend graze on support attack?
From the manual:
Requirements to Perform a Support Attack
● An ally must be present.
● The skill ?Support Attack? must have been learnt.
● The unit to receive the support must be beside the supporting unit, and in the same
terrain. For example, if one unit is in Air terrain, the other must be as well.
● The unit must have at least one use of Support Attack remaining.
● The unit must not have acted already.
● The target that is being attacked must be within attack range.
Also, anybody know the URL for the Japanese wiki? I can't find it at touhou wiki net.
http://www26.atwiki.jp/gensyou/pages/1.html
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@Ghaleon:
Rumia is pretty good at taking hits, but that is about it. She is especially good at taking laser attacks, so she is great in some stages.
XP gained in this game is scaled by what level you are vs your opponent, so you may still want to level her up, if less so than other
characters.
For support attacks, you need to make sure you are on the same level as them. If you are in the Air, the supporting attacker must also
be in the Air. When support attacking, you can also choose what type of support attacks you want to do, if there is more than one choice.
Also note that support attacks are limited by how many uses per turn. Level 1 attack support only allows you to use the attack support
once per turn.
Support attacks also do not trigger when you are counter attacking.
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Can someone go over just how the game works? I'm not at all familiar with SRW, and the wiki doesn't have a gameplay section yet, so I could use a little help (and please, no directing me to SRW information).
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If you play tactics type RPG, then you should sort of know how it works, if not, then it is tougher. At the start of a stage you get to
put whichever units you want in battle. You take your turn moving your units and attacking. Then the enemy takes it's turn. P attacks
mean it is a Post Movement attack, meaning you can attack after you move. The [ + ] looking thing means it is a danmaku attack, so it
uses the Range stat. The Fist looking thing means it is a melee attack, so it uses the Melee stat.
You can use special skills before the character completes their action. So, you can heal up everyone with that one character, given
that you enough SP. Between levels, you can equip characters, power them up by giving them bonuses or abilities and stuff like that.
Focus makes it so that you do not get penalties in the danmaku fields that the enemies create. Focus penalizes by making it so that
you move slower and you will still take damage if you dodge an attack, they call this grazing instead of completely dodging the attack.
Also, check the translated manual that comes with the translation patch to see more information.
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Did not know it had a translated manual. *Goes to read the manual*
Also, is there a way to grind without sacrificing WP? Because it sounds like you're all saying that to grind, you have to lose a mission and restart it, but that if you do that, you don't get any WP, and I'd rather not miss out on WP? So is there a way to grind without sacrificing WP? Or maybe is there a way to get WP besides as amission complete bonus?
EDIT: What do the 'sword cut' and 'laser' attack properties do? I didn't see an explanation of that in the manual. Also, how is 'Graze' earned? Is it by 'dodging' while focused (which is what I would expect), or is it a different method?
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Graze is earned by killing enemies, dodging while focusing will not give you graze points.
You don't really need to grind at all in this game, but I guess you can do it if you really need the levels.
Daiyousei
is one of the easier characters to level, since you can just heal people with her and level her up. The higher the level of
the unit that is being healed, the more XP you get.
I believe Sword Cut has a chance of stopping any attacks that have S on it.
Some skills defend well against L type attacks, like Marisa's skill and Rumia's skill.
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Wife Bonuses up to Level 2:
Well actually you can just savescum during intermission with about 60 WP to find out what you'll be getting...
Reimu:
L1 Youkai Buster (forgot the percentage)
L2 Youkai Buster (forgot the percentage, but it's higher)
Marisa:
L1 Danmaku Power 20%
L2 Danmaku Power 40%
Keine:
L1 Teacher
L2 ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Alice:
L1 Hourai Doll
L2 ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Daiyousei
L1 Purity
L2 ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Cirno
L1 Freeze (reduces enemy movement if next attack connects)
L2 Freeze (enemy can NOT move if next attack connects)
Rumia
L1 (I forgot the name) (Reduces enemy accuracy if next attack connects)
L2 Shade+ (Shade now has strength of 1800)
Nitori
L1 Extending Arm (can use Item on adjacent ally)
L2 Extending Arm (can use Item on allies 2 squares away)
Youmu
L1 (Forgot the name) (Next incoming attack will be *AutoParried* if it is an (S))
L2 Gardener (Parry Level +1)
Also I find it ridiculous that Magician Barriers are nigh useless in this game, because it's like every (L) toting enemy I come across can pierce Marisa's and Alice's by default. How else can I increase the power of a barrier? I had Beam Coats in SRW4 that were more useful than Magician Barriers...
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Levels are the only way to increase the barriers. Rumia is the go to girl, if you want to tank L attacks.
Wife Bonuses level up to level 3... Alice gets a better doll at level 3.
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Guess who had Keine hang back to kill the fairies on Marisa 3 and got screwed out of killing Sakuya! Seriously, this is Marisa route, why can't I Alice-Nitori through that 4000 HP run away zone? I only need 200 more damage, dammit! (also me giving those first 20 WP to Nitori might have been dumb)
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There's 3 things against you that stage:
- Keine can't move fast enough
- Sakuya is size L, meaning everyone except Keine deals 10% less damage to Sakuya.
- Sakuya has Elegant, meaning you can't scum a Critical Hit off her.
There's only one thing you can do - somehow grab the Tengu Wing from stage 2, (Yes, marisa's path has one, in a very obvious place), give it to Keine, and then make sure Keine is chasing after her rather than wasting time with the mooks. You need to have Keine Strike Assist Attacking with Headbutt if you want any chance in hell of killing Sakuya.
Meanwhile, 2 more comments.
- Characters don't Force Field when Grazing. Except Rumia.
- If you throw a Bomb on a given stage with a spellcard, the spellcard will NOT end up on your captured cards list, even if you used the Bomb before the Spellcard is declared. This is NOT stated in the manual in the Spellcards section (which says NOTHING about Bombs nullifying the opportunity to capture a spellcard), or the Bomb section (which doesn't mention Bombs resulting in uncaptured spellcards).
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What the heck? You will not capture a spell card if you bombed? Wow, that is very interesting.
Anyway, Keine's speed is not too much of an issue. You just need someone to block Sakuya's exit route. I think it is on the top right
corner of the screen. As long as you have one character standing there, she will not exit. Then you can take your time before engaging
her.
Once you engage her, you have 3 or 4 turns to take her out to get the WP bonus.
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I ended up restarting the stage and set up Reimu in melee range with Nitori backup to get the kill. Yes, yes, Reimu then buggers off with the XP, I know, but at least I get the WP. Also you don't get a chance to give Keine the Wing (which I do have) before the stage, because she isn't in your party then.
Another thing I found out the hard way is when Marisa 4 says it doesn't allow deaths, Alice's dolls count. Their whole purpose is to be expendable though...
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What the heck? You will not capture a spell card if you bombed? Wow, that is very interesting.
I'm not really sure; I think the card still counts as Captured for the purposes of getting Bonus WP; it just doesn't appear in the Options->Spellcards menu. I have to wait till Remilia to test this theory out, her Bonus says you need to capture ALL spellcards in that stage.
For now, China's Spellcard appears as ???? to me, even tho I only bombed Elly in that particular stage, long before China declared it, and I DID destroy her in Turn 3 of Spellcarding or so.
Frankly, there are other anomalies in my Captured Spellcard list as well, like Sakuya's. I didn't capture Cirno's because I took the diplomacy route, yet I could see it as 0/1N. Sakuya retreated on Stage 3, and her card appears as ???? - which is pretty inconsistent.
PS: Is Forest Fire supposed to be in the list? I took down both of Patchy's cards without timing out or using a Bomb, and all I got was Princess Undine.
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I have no idea how spell cards appear as captured actually. I know I captured quite a few of them, but I just always assumed all you
needed to do was beat the card. From my spell cards list, I have Misdirection at 0/1, and Perfect Freeze at 0/2. Eternal Meek, Scarlet Devil
and Heaven's Punishment at 1/2. Everything else seems captured, but I have not done Marisa's route so card 2 is blank.
I failed Misdirection, because I did not know you were supposed to bring her HP to 0 when I played it. I also took the diplomacy
route and failed that.
PS: Is Forest Fire supposed to be in the list? I took down both of Patchy's cards without timing out or using a Bomb, and all I got was Princess Undine.
From my list:
06. Water Sign ~ 'Princess Undine'
07. Wood & Fire Sign ~ 'Forest Fire'.
Not sure if I wrote them correctly, since it cuts off. I only see Wood & Fire Sign ~ 'Fore~
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I have no idea how spell cards appear as captured actually. I know I captured quite a few of them, but I just always assumed all you
needed to do was beat the card. From my spell cards list, I have Misdirection at 0/1, and Perfect Freeze at 0/2. Eternal Meek, Scarlet Devil
and Heaven's Punishment at 1/2. Everything else seems captured, but I have not done Marisa's route so card 2 is blank.
I failed Misdirection, because I did not know you were supposed to bring her HP to 0 when I played it. I also took the diplomacy
route and failed that.
From my list:
06. Water Sign ~ 'Princess Undine'
07. Wood & Fire Sign ~ 'Forest Fire'.
Not sure if I wrote them correctly, since it cuts off. I only see Wood & Fire Sign ~ 'Fore~
It's Forest Blaze, like in EoSD Proper.
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In Chapter 9, i can't seem to
attack Patchoulli and Koakuma because oft he danmaku field
Does anyone have this problem or is it me o.o?
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In Chapter 9, i can't seem to attack Patchoulli and Koakuma because oft he danmaku field
Does anyone have this problem or is it me o.o?
What exactly do you mean? Can you not get close enough because of the movement restriction? or are they just straight up unselectable as targets?
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In Chapter 9, i can't seem to attack Patchoulli and Koakuma because oft he danmaku field
Does anyone have this problem or is it me o.o?
You may want to close in a little more before you try attacking Patchouli seriously. I remember some of her danmaku fields being
especially nasty if you are in the wrong place. Kind of like Cirno's Perfect Freeze
, you cannot move in that one I believe.
Koakuma, I think you can just take her out without any real issue.
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That particular field doesn't matter if you kill her during your turn. It's not that hard, honestly, the gal who throws it has less than 9k health. But, you WILL be forced to Focus move because only Marisa can snipe her outside of the field, and that takes 70MP to do so it's not a good solution. >_>
Focusing nullifies all danmaku debuffs including the move penalty, excepting the ones you see in the View option. So if a field has an effect like No Action, Focusing will NOT give you your Attack or Move command back, although it does allow you to have Full Defense and Evade against an incoming attack.
So even if you end up in Princess Undine's thickest area (-90% DEF, which allows Patchy to OHKO Keine!)
, as long as you're focused the game simply pretends as if those debuffs don't exist. Ironically Characters that cannot Evade to save their lives will find Focus a boon, because the Graze "disadvantage" doesn't matter anyway.
(And frankly saying, having your movement halved by Focusing is a lot better than having move 1 after the Danmaku Field's debuff eats your entire rating. Only thing bad is, you probably won't be relying on Support Defend whilst Focusing, as the Evade replacement Graze overrides Support Defend if an incoming attack "misses".)
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Yeah, when I played this game, I did not know how to focus until I got to
Remilia's
stage. It is possible that person
does not know how to focus.
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What exactly do you mean? Can you not get close enough because of the movement restriction? or are they just straight up unselectable as targets?
It's actually both, because of movement restriction, i cannot select them to be targeted
You may want to close in a little more before you try attacking Patchouli seriously. I remember some of her danmaku fields being
especially nasty if you are in the wrong place. Kind of like Cirno's Perfect Freeze
, you cannot move in that one I believe.
Koakuma, I think you can just take her out without any real issue.
This is how it looks i can't even take out Koakuma for some reason, even if i move in the danmaku area, i cannot move forward but only backwards.
Image (http://imageshack.us/f/210/38268489.jpg/)
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There's your problem. Did you take down
Kurumi
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She runs the crystals that are the Stage Hazard. Take her down, and the stage gets a whole lot easier.
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You can move as you normally would, its just that you cant move any further before the danmaku, becasuse it's cancelling out the rest of your move range. once you get next to it, you can start moving inwards. also, focus.
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Yeah, the danmaku field is very strong there, so using focus is probably better.
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Oh jeez, Focus mode! Thanks guys! Silly me hehe