Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Totaku on January 24, 2010, 12:35:57 PM
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I'm curious how many of you have come across this. Because I only found it recently.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9422759
Pretty much ZUN is once again talking all about the ideas behind UFO and the charaters that are within it. Course there's a lack of translation for it right now. (Translation for this would be nice. ^^)
Other than that, the god of beer and Touhou is lookin just as classy as usual.
Other than that like I said before if anyone here is interested, you can try to come up with a translated transcript which would be helpful to everyone.
Anyways, feel free to discuss.
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oh boy!
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I waiting for all the mistranslations to this interview. i.e. Trolls
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I don't know why, but ZUN looks a lot healthier in this interview.
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*patiently waits for decent translations*
Thanks very much for the interview link :3 *will watch after training*
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I'm eagerly awaiting the translation too. At times though he looks like he didn't want to be there to me
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I loled when he took his beer out.
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I waiting for all the mistranslations to this interview. i.e. Trolls
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Pretty much the only thing I could pick out was that Ichirin is little more than a hitbox for Unzan, or something to that effect.
Also, he was trying to invoke the feel of the older games through the music, I think.
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Pretty much the only thing I could pick out was that Ichirin is little more than a hitbox for Unzan, or something to that effect.
AHAHAHA CONFIRMED
Also
(http://i47.tinypic.com/eiqu52.jpg)
The official ZUN chalice of choice
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He looks more handsome than I remember. o_o;
And I wonder what kind of beer that is.
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Oh yeah, also I THINK he said that Murasa is wearing shorts. I'm not 100% on that so don't quote me on it. However, I'm more sure that he said he was going to give her a mini-skirt but changed it because he thought that would seem a little too perverted.
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So ZUN actually makes that much money from Touhou that he can finally afford food?
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So ZUN actually makes that much money from Touhou that he can finally afford food?
First, three meals a day.
Next, the world!
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So I gave it a try to put subs on it.
...I cannot believe I spent more than a half day to finish subbing this 10-minute video.
【Eng Sub】 ZUN Interview on UFO 1 of 3
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otIrJdoaITI
Part 2: N/A
part 3: N/A
Sorry, the rest is yet to be done, I'll be on it soon though. Not very soon, but soon.
Oh, and I'd be glad if you have a look on this too.
【Eng Sub】Hakurei Reimu's Too Detailed Impersonations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8euGt7Yy7g
Thanks.
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THANK YOU
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Woah. Good job.
So Ichirin is really just a hitbox. And Unzan is shy.
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I'm holding out 'til it's finished so I can watch it all in one go, but I just have to say, you're awesome.
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I'm holding out 'til it's finished so I can watch it all in one go, but I just have to say, you're awesome.
Also, I take back what I said about watching it after my training. It's taking me too long to buffer the whole video from Nico :V
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Thanks a bunch for that Yoslime
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Wow. So THAT'S why Kogasa's third card is called that.
(Also, is Zun really quietly spoken or is that just the way Japanese people usually are in interviews?)
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Wow. So THAT'S why Kogasa's third card is called that.
(Also, is Zun really quietly spoken or is that just the way Japanese people usually are in interviews?)
ZUN is ZEN 8)
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(Also, is Zun really quietly spoken or is that just the way Japanese people usually are in interviews?)
The latter.
And I did see that Reimu thing you subbed earlier. Nice job doing that too. Can't wait to see the rest of this interview.
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Is the translation by Annotation or CC? Those two are not available in the video for me
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Is the translation by Annotation or CC? Those two are not available in the video for me
Annotations. Maybe someone could hard-sub and release as a video. Perhaps not.
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I just noticed annotations don't work for me in any video
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I just noticed annotations don't work for me in any video
Maybe I could type everything out for you? Like tomorrow? I'm busy now.
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Ooh, this gives me something to look forward to once I get home. Thanks a lot.
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Maybe I could type everything out for you? Like tomorrow? I'm busy now.
Nah, forget about it, I'll wait until I can fix this
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I just noticed annotations don't work for me in any video
Did you turn them on?
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Did you turn them on?
Yes, I even turned them off and then on but the annotation button has a red !
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Yes, I even turned them off and then on but the annotation button has a red !
...YouTube hates youeveryone :/
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I fixed it just now. I just deleted some spyware my computer found and apparently one of them breaks Youtube annotations
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I fixed it just now. I just deleted some spyware my computer found and apparently one of them breaks Youtube annotations
Man you really need to clear your cache reformat or something :/
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I can't wait for part 2. ;D ZUN is always interesting to listen to. I love how even he thinks little of Ichirin.
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Hey, shut up, Ichirin is the best character in the series ;_;
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Just a note, you can see annotations if you watch the video from the person's channel.
And I love the *BEER* sound effect. XD
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Hey, shut up, Ichirin is the best meat shield in the series ;_;
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I like how ZUN got the idea of associating trains and umbrellas.
Can't wait for the next part to be subbed!
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I would like Stage 3 better if the boss was just Unzan instead of Ichirin :V
Ichirin is cool and all but Unzan is so much better
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*BEER*
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*BEER*
Stand up! Beer! Beer! Holding a beer
We'll toast, no matter how many
Saying "We'll be drunk for two days!"
We won't care
We won't worry
As long as we drink delicious beer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrhYSOd9Xns)
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Ooh, thanks for a lot of your comments, folks.
Part 2 is 50% done right now, sorry I need to ask you to wait for a little more.
As an alternate, I've uploaded one of my favorite remixes that hadn't seemed to be uploaded on UT.
Last Remote Electro Remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WCpi5WvkY
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Part 2 is 50% done right now, sorry I need to ask you to wait for a little more.
Don't worry, take as long as you need. Neat remix btw.
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Hooray. Part 2 is done.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otIrJdoaITI
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3k-J-mpuU
Part 3: N/A
33% more to go.
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YOSH
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Woah, so much information!
*BEER*
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*BEER*
Also this is interesting. I... kind of want to see how ZUN would of loli-fied a Space Invader as a final boss now.
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*BEER*
Also this is interesting. I... kind of want to see how ZUN would of loli-fied a Space Invader as a final boss now.
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6821/yawata.jpg)
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Oh, wow; ZUN was originally going to make Myouren the final boss, then went "Wait a second... crap, Myouren is a guy!".
:V
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Thanks for all your work in translating.
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Alot of interesting things revealed and as well as strong canon stuff:
Minamitsu is her name. Murasa = surname / species indicator.
She weirs a skirt. ( Take that you shorts freaks :V )
Makai = canon ( duh, whoever ignores this is an idiot anyway )
ZUN had quite trouble in UFO designing stuff.
Too bad they only discussed Byakuren in general and not her behaviour or attributes. Bah.
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I agree, I wanted to hear more about Byakuren rather than just Stage 6 in general.
What's really impressing me about this interview so far is how much he seems to be winging it when it comes to the story of the game. "When it came time to design Makai, I was like ... what the hell is Makai?" That kind of thing. It's charming and human, and makes him seem like a totally laid-back guy just banging these games out for the hell of it. Which was pretty much my image of him from the start.
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Too bad they only discussed Byakuren in general and not her behaviour or attributes. Bah.
The fact it was just skipped over like that is suspicious, especially since they went into details about everyone else. Considering every game since MoF has directly led to the events in the next one its quite possible he had to in order to avoid spoilers for the next one.
EDIT: Well, either that or she really was just a last minute on-the-spot addition due to having to abandon his previous plan... =V
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EDIT: Well, either that or she really was just a last minute on-the-spot addition due to having to abandon his previous plan... =V
Nah, the interview said that he had Byakuren and such planned before the demo was released.
The fact it was just skipped over like that is suspicious, especially since they went into details about everyone else. Considering every game since MoF has directly led to the events in the next one its quite possible he had to in order to avoid spoilers for the next one.
This, however, might very well be possible. I hope the next demo is out in the next month or so, like the UFO demo was...!
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I posted a thread in the other section but I don't know if it got the attention of most of you, there was a similar interview with ZUN about the SA characters, you can find that here http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5903008 and here http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6556964
Was that ever translated? Also, thanks for the user doing the UFO translation. It's really nice to see people working on interviews.
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Very interesting. Thank you very much.
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I'm absolutely fascinated at the "sukeban Murasa" concept. Hmm...
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I'm absolutely fascinated at the "sukeban Murasa" concept. Hmm...
Yes that made me go like: "No wai he didn't." But he mentions it was not safe because of the short skirt. So he gave Minamitsu a skirt to her knees. BAH NO PANTI SHOT.
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I'm p. sure that ZUN mentions the whole "Murasa being a species name, not a surname" thing in her theme music description. I know I knew that from *somewhere* before the interview.. I'm a little disappointed, I was hoping ZUN might set the record straight on whether Byakuren's hair is gradient or no. :< Though, I guess it's better this way.
Yes that made me go like: "No wai he didn't." But he mentions it was not safe because of the short skirt. So he gave Minamitsu a skirt to her knees. BAH NO PANTI SHOT.
Actually, sukeban is stereotypically long skirts, not short. So be happy with your calves and ankles >:V
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I'm p. sure that ZUN mentions the whole "Murasa being a species name, not a surname" thing in her theme music description. I know I knew that from *somewhere* before the interview..
No, see again in this link ( with time ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3k-J-mpuU#t=0m24s
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No, see again in this link ( with time ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3k-J-mpuU#t=0m24s
You misunderstood. I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was saying this isn't new information. :V It also states this in her music description.
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I read it indeed wrong.
This shows ( and even I ) didn't read the music description. Then again, were they translated when the game was out instantly ? I only played UFO to beat Normal then left it because I didn't felt like beating lunatic or hard.
But yea it is kind of confusing also without reading to guess if ZUN using western naming style or eastern.
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Sorry to be kinda too late, but at last the final part is done.
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwtm-z_5PIQ
Now... I can rest... in... peac...e...
Nhu...Nhuhuhuhu......
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Awesome. I'll be sure to 5-star/favorite it when I get home.
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You can really tell he cares about the music in this interview. He seemed a bit tight lipped in the first two parts but when asked about the music is really opened up.
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You can really tell he cares about the music in this interview. He seemed a bit tight lipped in the first two parts but when asked about the music is really opened up.
That, or he was talking more freely because of the *BEER*.
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Thank you, great job!
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Yeah, listening to some of his answers to the character questions pretty much hammered home that he has a more casual attitude towards them than half the fanbase. I'd love to see someone try and get him into a power level discussion.
I approve of his approval of the Extra stage theme. Byakuren's theme being brilliant we all knew already.
Yoslime, ilu.
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I approve of his approval of the Extra stage theme. Byakuren's theme being brilliant we all knew already.
I'm saying this with a straight face, and I mean it with all my heart: I don't see what's so special about Emotional Skyscraper.
I think it's by far the most boring of the Touhou songs till know. I'm listening to it at this moment, and listened through it several times already, to try and make me like it afterall, but no results. It just doesn't spark. And it confuses me even more that people praise Emotional Skyscraper like the song of the Gods, while claiming Necrofantasia sucks. Seriously, I don't understand this. Too me, Necrofantasia is quite possily still the very best Touhou song, being epic, climatic and beautiful, and fit for the mightiest being of Gensokyo.
While most of the time a remix can make me like a song more, all remixes of Emotional Skyscraper still do nothing to me. It just doesn't have a decent climax! It's way too calm, even for Touhou song standards, and quite repetitive. It never reaches a moment of excitement, unlike almost every other song in the series! Every other final boss song in the series has a climax, a moment that describes an epic battle! You can HEAR and IMAGINE the characters fighting! This is not the case with Emotional Skyscraper... And that's why I don't like it, and like Septette, Onigashima, Lunatic Princess and especially Necrofantasia way more.
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I like Cosmic Mind because I think it sounds heroic while at the same time relaxing
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I'm saying this with a straight face, and I mean it with all my heart: I don't see what's so special about Emotional Skyscraper.
I think it's by far the most boring of the Touhou songs till know. I'm listening to it at this moment, and listened through it several times already, to try and make me like it afterall, but no results. It just doesn't spark. And it confuses me even more that people praise Emotional Skyscraper like the song of the Gods, while claiming Necrofantasia sucks. Seriously, I don't understand this. Too me, Necrofantasia is quite possily still the very best Touhou song, being epic, climatic and beautiful, and fit for the mightiest being of Gensokyo.
While most of the time a remix can make me like a song more, all remixes of Emotional Skyscraper still do nothing to me. It just doesn't have a decent climax! It's way too calm, even for Touhou song standards, and quite repetitive. It never reaches a moment of excitement, unlike almost every other song in the series! Every other final boss song in the series has a climax, a moment that describes an epic battle! You can HEAR and IMAGINE the characters fighting! This is not the case with Emotional Skyscraper... And that's why I don't like it, and like Septette, Onigashima, Lunatic Princess and especially Necrofantasia way more.
imho the song (Byakuren's theme) goes well with the character and boss fight; her patterns are memorable, like Kanako's. When I hear this bgm, I remember her patterns, how some of them reference Shinki's, how unusual was for a final boss to move around the screen during a nonspell, and how impressive (or imposing) she looks like, when the 4 lotuses appear beside her. Perhaps you're giving the song too much attention, when you're (possibly, if ZUN has foreseen this) supposed to be too focused on dodging and listening to the sound effects as well.
And imho, I can't understand why some/many people like Yuyuko's stage and boss bgm (and/or her patterns), at least when Youmu isn't on it as a midboss :p
Anyways, for the interview itself, it's interesting to hear that he makes the first stage as a test to see if the game system works as a game (and motivates him to work on further stages), and that he gave special attention to the 1st stage bgm, since he would listen to it often while testing the stage (this reminds me of how people sometimes start sketching something, and then work on that sketch if they like it enough, until it becomes a finished drawing -- however, this comparison may sound as if the drawer decides to continue drawing a body, after being happy with detailing the head, instead of being happy after sketching the body itself :p). Thank you very much, yoslime, for translating all the parts! Nice job!
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The whole point of Byakuren's theme is that there are no combative tones in it at all. Even when it gets intense, it's an intense positive tone. She stands in complete contrast to all of the player's battles thus far, even back before UFO, because she's done absolutely nothing bad to anger the player characters, who have fallen into the habit of youkai extermination for the sake of youkai extermination. If anything, she's the one who is right in saying that youkai should be treated fairly if they have good intentions (even though they aren't "enslaved").
Anyways, I'm glad that ZUN decided against a male final boss, since Byakuren really is an interesting character IMO. And I laughed at ZUN not really having much idea about his character backstories/origins/species.
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I felt kinda bad for ZUN during the interview, he seemed really uncomfortable the whole time. >:
Just watched the whole thing now, since I made myself not watch it until the whole thing was done. I'm still disappoint about Ichirin, but I love the connection between TRAINS and Kogasa. I do wish they had talked about Byakuren more, I want to know more about her.
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Anyone got a complete transcript anywhere?
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I felt kinda bad for ZUN during the interview, he seemed really uncomfortable the whole time. >:
You think? He made pretty a lot of criticizing comments about things, people and his game.
What sparked my curiosity ( this is a danmakufu / game maker thing ) is that ZUN keeps motivation thanks to the theme song of the first stage and so on. Also that he builds the system first then continues the actual building and plot of the game. This is 100% like me, as Lemuria for the Flying Drunkard has kept me motivated extremely long during difficult periods of scripting.
I totally respect ZUN style on this case.
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I dunno, he didn't come off as too critical to me.
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The whole point of Byakuren's theme is that there are no combative tones in it at all. Even when it gets intense, it's an intense positive tone. She stands in complete contrast to all of the player's battles thus far, even back before UFO, because she's done absolutely nothing bad to anger the player characters, who have fallen into the habit of youkai extermination for the sake of youkai extermination. If anything, she's the one who is right in saying that youkai should be treated fairly if they have good intentions (even though they aren't "enslaved").
This says what I would have said, but far better than I would have. Cosmic Mind is the only boss music I've ever heard that I feel is cheering me on and wanting me to get to the end of the game, instead of making me nervous about the boss' attacks (which I do regardless, but still...)
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It does fit her personality, but it still sounds like the theme song of a bad 80s mecha anime, or a buddy cop show.
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I don't get the thing why people keep complaining how Byakuren's theme doesn't sounds bossy/combat style. I don't know about you people but Remilia, Kaguya, Yuyuko, Eiki didn't quite have a combat theme/tune/sound in them either.
Obviously the whole deal with Touhou is making a theme that fits the characters ambition, behaviour combined with the patterns/spellcards they use. And each final girl in the series has it's perfect fitting theme imo.
This is also what kind of makes me sad and cry. People complain about UFO just because they think SA is like the mother of all touhous. Ofcourse each in their own subjective view but complaining is so much easier aint it.
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Whoa, whoa. Just saying the theme's a little cheesey. I love UFO.
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Whoa, whoa. Just saying the theme's a little cheesey. I love UFO.
You are feeling personally asaulted, that is a shame. I was just making a general post =/
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Thanks for the comments, folks.
It's kinda too late to say, but my subtitles MAY contain wrong/inappropriate translations.
I'm a Japanese and I totally understand what they say in the video, but they talk in spoken language (of course), I had to disassemble the original sentences once and reconstruct them as valid English sentences.
During this process, I had to discard some of their conversations. English = Hard.
By the way, on this interview, what surprised me most is he gets inspiration from his own songs of the past. It's like enlarged reproduction.
I posted a thread in the other section but I don't know if it got the attention of most of you, there was a similar interview with ZUN about the SA characters, you can find that here http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5903008 and here http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6556964
Was that ever translated? Also, thanks for the user doing the UFO translation. It's really nice to see people working on interviews.
Actually, I was being subbed it until I found this thread. It's like 5% done though.
It'll be in reverse order, but is this in demand?
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My vote's with "yes", if you're up for it.
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Definite yes, please!