Someone made a simple exit poll. They're just from people who tweeted their votes, iirc.The fortune teller's doing better than Rinnosuke. I'm laughing so hard. (I saw a lot of people on my Japanese twitter timeline comment that he'll probably do well this poll, because Forbidden Scrollery Volume 4 came out between now and the last one, so more people have read Chapter 25.)
https://twitter.com/blueskis382/status/686123283805151236/photo/1
Some interesting bits:
Sagume 5th
Sumireko 24th
Fortune Teller 66th
https://twitter.com/kzrmk/status/686143850348331008/photo/1 (Another one)
Since it's been only like one day, everything is still possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sagume quite high, though.
Someone made a simple exit poll. They're just from people who tweeted their votes, iirc.Problem with the tweets is when you click on the Tweet button, it only takes two of the characters you voted for. Mine displayed Shinmyoumaru and Mokou, but Yuuka was the one in 1st place.
Since it's been only like one day, everything is still possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sagume quite high, though.
Problem with the tweets is when you click on the Tweet button, it only takes two of the characters you voted for. Mine displayed Shinmyoumaru and Mokou, but Yuuka was the one in 1st place.Yeah, the characters displayed is a bit weird. Sometimes they show all of them, sometimes five, and sometimes only two.
(http://i.imgur.com/WXyVVLr.png)
Supreme Judge of Paradise, San Andreas
Characters:
Aya (+1)
Songs:
Wind God Girl (+1)
Do your duty. (https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2242114)Nope.
Do your duty. (https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2242114)
> 1 478 亡き王女の為のセプテットNow I honestly wasn't expecting Septette to reclaim the throne again. Top 5 for sure but not so quickly back as #1.
BTW, what went wrong last year was in music category only. There was no problem with character's voting.Ah, my apologies then for the confusion. Glad I got corrected. That was indeed with the music voting.
Honestly both Koishi and Sagume's popularities are reasonableJust because you're not surprised doesn't mean other people shouldn't be surprised. Reimu has been no. 1 for several years in a row, and suddenly, a character who doesn't have a whole lot of presence and contribution to the series as a whole taking first place is obviously a big surprise to many people. Getting very high up may not be the biggest surprise, but to suddenly get first place is something to be surprised about. Even if it's not surprising, it's not something you can look at with a straight face and say, "That was obvious. Saw this coming..."
Since Koishi went from 14th to 3rd in 2014 due to HM, people should had been aware that with ULiL, Koishi had a very high potential of dethroning Reimu.
And she did get 1st place, and I was not very surprised, but I don't understand why many people were shocked.
Just because you're not surprised doesn't mean other people shouldn't be surprised.Yes you are right and I understand this.
a character who doesn't have a whole lot of presence and contribution to the series as a wholeಠ_ಠ ummm.........
it's not something you can look at with a straight face and say, "That was obvious. Saw this coming..."It's not like "saw this coming"; it's more like "this is fairly possible"
.ಠ_ಠ ummm.........Koishi is really only relevant to the games she appeared in, not to the entire series.
I figure that I should post the results for the character poll here for those who simply don't want to bother clicking on the links...I think this is just an exit poll, aka the result of only those people who posted their votes on twitter. (I wonder if this exit poll fixed those "Satori-type mistakes")
71 is a "diviner".I'm pretty sure that's the one that get their head smashed by Reimu in FS Chapter 25.
Sagume expected to rank high. As I said in my previous post, pixiv spawned a lot of artwork about her. If you say you haven't seen her around, then I think you have been looking in the wrong places. (Danbooru isn't necessary a good place, because it doesn't reflect popularity).
Honestly both Koishi and Sagume's popularities are reasonable
Sagume is higher than Clownpiece is not surprising either. She is nice looking, has an interesting ability, and has a good personality (judging from her profile). Being in a Lunar Capital officer, she can be used in many Lunarian story. And being an amanojaku, she can be paired up with Seija.... There are so much things that fandom can do with Sagume. One thing to note is that it's not clear if she can get into top 10 or not.
And Clownpiece probably will be in 2xth place, which is fair enough.
BTW, what went wrong last year was in music category only. There was no problem with character's voting.
As for what I can see, the only reason that Koishi is not first this year is because she's too busy tag teaming with Flandre to perform an "imouto sandwich" on Marisa. Meanwhile, Satori, Koishi's big sister, is caught in a "Scarlet Sister Sandwich", which includes the aforementioned Flandre...
Why do I sense that SDM x Chireiden is going to be a thing now?
Since Sagume is likely more popular than Clownpiece, I'm looking forward to seeing Danbooru's reactions when fan arts show up tomorrow !Especially after this (http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2099431) :V
It's been one for a long time already. How do you think they've coordinated this trick? :)
Also, just to know, the exit polls based on twitter are based on all the 7 votes or just the vote for the top character?Neither of them, tweets included two/three of the seven characters you voted for, with no indication of the character getting two points.
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It's just an exit poll that was posted over Twitter, not the official results.I know, but it may still give one an idea on how the official one may look like.
YES
GET FUCKED KOISHI
I'm a bit disappointed that Sagume couldn't make the top 10 after all, although I guess it was a longshot. The top 10 is again as boring as it's ever been now that Koishi has been bumped down.
the rest of the poll results are pretty sad to look at.Wow, way to judge people's tastes.
And let's not even start with the music poll.
Little Princess dropping pretty fast, and Pure Furies being significantly lower than the preliminary results.
Wow, way to judge people's tastes.
Septette not #1. Beaten by her sister.Since the last poll.
Since the last poll.Exit poll made me think she might reclaim the throne. But nope.avi.
Rank | Last | Last2 | Name | Points | Firsts |
1 | 2 | 1 | Reimu Hakurei | 15427 | 3255 |
2 | 3 | 2 | Marisa Kirisame | 10969 | 1927 |
3 | 1 | 3 | Koishi Komeiji | 10913 | 2036 |
4 | 4 | 4 | Sakuya Izayoi | 10195 | 1758 |
5 | 5 | 5 | Flandre Scarlet | 9844 | 1701 |
6 | 6 | 8 | Youmu Konpaku | 9669 | 1967 |
7 | 7 | 7 | Remilia Scarlet | 9091 | 1353 |
8 | 9 | 9 | Satori Komeiji | 8821 | 1258 |
9 | 10 | 6 | Alice Margatroid | 7834 | 1394 |
10 | 11 | 10 | Aya Shameimaru | 7625 | 1285 |
11 | 8 | 12 | Fujiwara no Mokou | 7534 | 1144 |
12 | 12 | 11 | Sanae Kochiya | 6189 | 947 |
13 | 13 | 17 | Tenshi Hinanawi | 5760 | 791 |
14 | - | - | Sagume Kishin | 5665 | 368 |
15 | 14 | 15 | Hata no Kokoro | 5641 | 446 |
16 | 15 | 14 | Yuyuko Saigyouji | 5570 | 915 |
17 | 16 | 23 | Reisen Udongein Inaba | 5381 | 607 |
18 | 17 | 16 | Yukari Yakumo | 5007 | 685 |
19 | 18 | 13 | Yuuka Kazami | 4727 | 688 |
20 | 19 | 18 | Patchouli Knowledge | 4495 | 630 |
21 | 21 | 21 | Momiji Inubashiri | 4490 | 686 |
22 | 20 | 28 | Kogasa Tatara | 4376 | 578 |
23 | - | - | Clownpiece | 4333 | 233 |
24 | 23 | 22 | Hong Meiling | 4286 | 692 |
25 | 29 | 33 | Rumia | 4206 | 671 |
26 | 31 | 31 | Eiki Shiki, Yamaxanadu | 3809 | 468 |
27 | 27 | 56 | Seija Kijin | 3806 | 452 |
28 | 22 | 37 | Renko Usami | 3774 | 399 |
29 | 24 | 19 | Utsuho Reiuji | 3590 | 451 |
30 | 27 | 25 | Parsee Mizuhashi | 3558 | 574 |
31 | - | - | Junko | 3455 | 241 |
32 | 25 | 35 | Mononobe no Futo | 3438 | 320 |
33 | 30 | 24 | Nitori Kawashiro | 3387 | 439 |
34 | 33 | 26 | Suwako Moriya | 3371 | 423 |
35 | 37 | 32 | Cirno | 3275 | 550 |
35 | 36 | 27 | Ran Yakumo | 3275 | 458 |
37 | 35 | 36 | Toyosatomimi no Miko | 3249 | 390 |
38 | 38 | 38 | Nue Houjuu | 3219 | 322 |
39 | 34 | 30 | Kasen Ibaraki | 3159 | 257 |
40 | 26 | 20 | Byakuren Hijiri | 3124 | 313 |
41 | 39 | 29 | Kaguya Houraisan | 2830 | 405 |
42 | 42 | 40 | Suika Ibuki | 2756 | 309 |
43 | - | - | Hecatia Lapislazuli | 2442 | 149 |
44 | 32 | 34 | Shinmyoumaru Sukuna | 2412 | 150 |
45 | 44 | 46 | Nazrin | 2404 | 265 |
46 | 41 | 39 | Iku Nagae | 2307 | 251 |
47 | 40 | 44 | Keine Kamishirasawa | 2302 | 256 |
48 | 46 | 42 | Kagerou Imaizumi | 2269 | 167 |
49 | 43 | 41 | Hina Kagiyama | 2249 | 328 |
50 | 45 | 43 | Rin Kaenbyou | 2244 | 216 |
51 | 50 | 47 | Mystia Lorelei | 2057 | 284 |
52 | 51 | 62 | Maribel Hearn | 1951 | 96 |
53 | 47 | - | Sumireko Usami | 1934 | 128 |
54 | 49 | 45 | Seiga Kaku | 1873 | 152 |
55 | 54 | 61 | Chen | 1862 | 242 |
56 | 53 | 52 | Sekibanki | 1816 | 140 |
57 | 55 | 51 | Kosuzu Motoori | 1728 | 71 |
58 | 57 | 57 | Daiyousei | 1714 | 190 |
59 | 56 | 53 | Eirin Yagokoro | 1684 | 155 |
60 | 52 | 50 | Komachi Onozuka | 1630 | 156 |
61 | 48 | 55 | Mamizou Futatsuiwa | 1601 | 99 |
62 | 70 | 71 | Koakuma | 1558 | 148 |
63 | 63 | 58 | Raiko Horikawa | 1544 | 113 |
64 | 58 | 48 | Shou Toramaru | 1530 | 184 |
65 | 60 | 54 | Hatate Himekaidou | 1529 | 92 |
66 | 61 | 63 | Yuugi Hoshiguma | 1524 | 157 |
67 | 62 | 68 | Tewi Inaba | 1492 | 138 |
68 | - | - | Doremy Sweet | 1400 | 63 |
69 | 69 | 59 | Hieda no Akyuu | 1391 | 116 |
70 | 68 | 67 | Kyouko Kasodani | 1353 | 100 |
71 | 59 | 49 | Kanako Yasaka | 1308 | 155 |
72 | 66 | 59 | Minamitsu Murasa | 1305 | 141 |
73 | 67 | 69 | Lunasa Prismriver | 1281 | 167 |
74 | 64 | 65 | Rinnosuke Morichika | 1248 | 155 |
75 | 78 | 81 | Shinki | 1116 | 78 |
76 | 77 | 76 | Soga no Tojiko | 1095 | 91 |
77 | 100 | - | Unnamed Jinyou (Fortune Teller) | 1083 | 96 |
78 | 71 | 64 | Shizuha Aki | 1077 | 95 |
79 | 72 | 72 | Yumemi Okazaki | 1048 | 94 |
80 | 73 | 66 | Minoriko Aki | 983 | 83 |
81 | 76 | 75 | Yamame Kurodani | 979 | 99 |
82 | 78 | 77 | Yoshika Miyako | 957 | 86 |
83 | 65 | 70 | Ichirin Kumoi | 909 | 114 |
84 | 80 | 74 | Wakasagihime | 908 | 56 |
85 | 75 | 78 | Wriggle Nightbug | 886 | 206 |
86 | 74 | 73 | Medicine Melancholy | 872 | 106 |
87 | - | - | Ringo | 851 | 29 |
88 | 83 | 82 | Watatsuki no Yorihime | 846 | 68 |
89 | 81 | 79 | Mima | 810 | 53 |
90 | 82 | 80 | Letty Whiterock | 773 | 121 |
91 | 85 | 83 | Luna Child | 637 | 28 |
92 | 88 | 95 | Gengetsu | 575 | 61 |
93 | - | - | Seiran | 571 | 15 |
93 | 86 | 85 | Star Sapphire | 571 | 53 |
95 | 84 | 84 | Benben Tsukumo | 500 | 40 |
95 | 90 | 86 | Sunny Milk | 500 | 36 |
97 | 88 | 87 | Lily White | 474 | 60 |
98 | 94 | 93 | Kisume | 458 | 55 |
99 | 96 | 94 | Alice?s Dolls (Shanghai, Hourai, Ooedo, etc.) | 452 | 21 |
100 | 87 | 88 | Lyrica Prismriver | 450 | 44 |
100 | 91 | 91 | Yatsuhashi Tsukumo | 450 | 30 |
102 | 92 | 92 | Merlin Prismriver | 397 | 42 |
103 | 95 | 90 | Watatsuki no Toyohime | 394 | 33 |
104 | 93 | 89 | Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai | 358 | 33 |
105 | - | - | Dolls in Pseudo Paradise CD Jacket/Label Girl | 316 | 28 |
106 | 98 | 104 | Mugetsu | 308 | 21 |
107 | 97 | 96 | Kana Anaberal | 275 | 24 |
108 | 99 | 98 | Yumeko | 244 | 13 |
109 | 101 | 99 | Rei?sen | 212 | 12 |
110 | - | - | Chang'e | 209 | 2 |
111 | 104 | 102 | Sariel | 201 | 14 |
112 | 106 | 101 | Elly | 199 | 15 |
113 | 103 | 103 | Chiyuri Kitashirakawa | 197 | 11 |
114 | 102 | 97 | Unzan | 182 | 14 |
115 | 105 | 100 | Mai | 178 | 10 |
116 | 109 | 107 | Kurumi | 166 | 13 |
117 | 114 | 107 | Kedama | 163 | 8 |
118 | 107 | 105 | Yuki | 162 | 12 |
119 | 111 | 113 | Konngara | 156 | 14 |
120 | 113 | 110 | Youki Konpaku | 155 | 3 |
121 | 110 | 114 | Ellen | 153 | 19 |
122 | 108 | 109 | Thermonuclear Deity Hisou Tensoku | 135 | 4 |
123 | 112 | 111 | Kotohime | 131 | 13 |
124 | 118 | 117 | Meira | 123 | 8 |
125 | 115 | 112 | Rika | 108 | 11 |
126 | 116 | 116 | Layla Prismriver | 100 | 4 |
127 | 120 | 115 | Fairy (Maid, Sunflower, etc.) | 97 | 8 |
128 | 121 | 119 | Giant Catfish | 94 | 2 |
129 | 118 | 122 | Elis | 86 | 7 |
130 | 122 | 118 | YuugenMagan | 85 | 8 |
131 | 132 | 134 | Kappa (including yamawaro) | 82 | 4 |
132 | 125 | 122 | UFOs (red, blue, green, etc.) | 80 | 3 |
133 | 124 | 130 | Ruukoto | 77 | 6 |
134 | 123 | 106 | Hobgoblin | 73 | 3 |
135 | 129 | 130 | Tsuchinoko | 72 | 2 |
136 | 117 | 125 | Louise | 61 | 2 |
136 | 131 | 125 | Tupai | 61 | 1 |
138 | 127 | 121 | Rikako Asakura | 59 | 3 |
139 | 147 | 133 | Kikuri | 58 | 9 |
139 | 135 | 127 | Genjii | 58 | 4 |
141 | 143 | 120 | Sara | 55 | 5 |
141 | 134 | 128 | Mimi-chan | 55 | 5 |
141 | 140 | 143 | Kitsune (Youkai kitsune, Unnamed fox student, etc) | 55 | 3 |
144 | 140 | 136 | Kasen's animals (Kume, Kanda, Raijuu, Houso, Jinkenmen, etc) | 51 | 4 |
145 | 126 | 124 | Orange | 48 | 4 |
145 | 150 | - | Unnamed Snake Youkai | 48 | 1 |
147 | 136 | 142 | Dragons (Dragon child, Unnamed evil dragon, etc) | 47 | 1 |
148 | 130 | 136 | Sake Bug | 46 | 1 |
149 | 144 | 134 | Rabbits (Moon rabbits, Eientei youkai rabbits, etc) | 45 | 0 |
150 | 145 | 132 | SinGyoku | 43 | 3 |
151 | 132 | - | Urban legend entities (Okiku-san, Hasshaku-sama) | 42 | 1 |
152 | 150 | 147 | Crows (Hell ravens, Yukari and Aya's familiars, etc.) | 39 | 4 |
153 | 128 | - | Manzairaku | 33 | 2 |
154 | 150 | 136 | Myouren | 32 | 3 |
155 | 138 | 129 | Unshou | 27 | 4 |
156 | 164 | 152 | Tengu (Kourindou Tengu, Great Tengu, etc) | 26 | 0 |
157 | 138 | 144 | Iwakasa | 24 | 0 |
158 | 154 | 144 | Shirou Sendai | 20 | 1 |
159 | 164 | 139 | Moon Capital Gate Guards | 16 | 0 |
160 | 161 | 139 | Ghosts (including vengeful spirits, divine spirits, bakebake) | 15 | 0 |
160 | 158 | 144 | Summoned Gods (Amaterasu, Izunome, etc.) | 15 | 2 |
162 | 156 | 156 | Bishamonten | 12 | 0 |
162 | 158 | 152 | Konohana-Sakuyahime | 12 | 1 |
164 | 164 | 152 | Tanuki (Bake-danuki, Noteppou, etc) | 11 | 0 |
165 | 161 | 155 | Kutsutsura | 9 | 1 |
165 | 158 | - | Kosuzu Motoori's Parents | 9 | 0 |
165 | 157 | 156 | Enenra | 9 | 1 |
168 | 161 | 159 | Zashiki-warashi | 6 | 1 |
169 | 172 | 147 | Mizue no Uranoshimako | 4 | 0 |
Poll Result Fanart to Look Out For:Also a reverse of this (http://imgur.com/ylrxg5K).
* Youmu in a Scarlet sandwich
* Reisen in a Yuyuko and Yukari sandwich
* Yukari and Yuuka
* Keine and Kagerou
* Maribel placing far away from Renko... but right next to Sumireko
* Lunasa ranking 27 positions higher than her sisters
* Yumemi in an Aki sandwich
* Benben Tsukumo in a sandwich with two of the Three Fairies
* Kisume still in the top 100 (#98)
* Yatsuhashi Tsukumo in a sandwich with two of the Prismrivers
* Unzan is the lowest ranked Windows game character
What does the "firsts" in the results mean?
-No Futatsuiwa from Sado in top 100. Sad.It's 91th.
Yall did your duty. There will be no punishments to make an example of anyone. Moral has improved, beatings discontinued.
I'm still amazed that Kisume beats any windows character. But I won't complain!
47 40 44 Keine Kamishirasawa 2302 256 48 46 42 Kagerou Imaizumi 2269 167
Poll Result Fanart to Look Out For:
* Keine and Kagerou
Yes, please.
Keine and Kagerou: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2251553?tags=touhou
Poll Result Fanart to Look Out For:
* Youmu in a Scarlet sandwich
* Reisen in a Yuyuko and Yukari sandwich
* Yukari and Yuuka
* Keine and Kagerou
* Maribel placing far away from Renko... but right next to Sumireko
* Lunasa ranking 27 positions higher than her sisters
* Yumemi in an Aki sandwich
* Benben Tsukumo in a sandwich with two of the Three Fairies
* Kisume still in the top 100 (#98)
* Yatsuhashi Tsukumo in a sandwich with two of the Prismrivers
* Unzan is the lowest ranked Windows game character
Yall did your duty. There will be no punishments to make an example of anyone. Moral has improved, beatings discontinued.There was actually somewhat of a rally on twitter to make sure Kisume wasn't the first Windows character to get below 100.
I'm still amazed that Kisume beats any windows character. But I won't complain!
There was actually somewhat of a rally on twitter to make sure Kisume wasn't the first Windows character to get below 100.Yea, Chamupei had drawn this picture as support on Pixiv (image on danbooru, nsfw warning)
Merlin not in top 100.Maybe if she stopped spinning so much, she wouldn't get disoriented.
i?m fucking crying all the comments left by the people who voted for the fortune-teller (the guy Reimu killed in FS) are joke comments, people were voting for him as a joke, that?s why he got so many votes holy shiiittt
most of them are people rewriting his lines about how he wanted to quit being human into stuff related to the poll or other things, while others are just quoting his final words where he tries to beg reimu for mercy but gets cut off, but the one that killed me was:
初めて知った東方キャラクターなので
he was the character who introduced me to touhou, so
someone left a fkn essay on why Reimu killing the fortune teller was unjust and at the end left a ton of hashtags #Don?tForgiveHakurei #HakureiResign #AbolishTheHakureiShrine
god i wish had the energy to sit and properly translate some of these but shit.
maybe another day
reading the comments for your faves is pretty nice. it makes me in a good mood, even when say, a good 30% of Kasen?s comments simply read ?boob?
A list of characters less popular than Daiyousei: Komachi, Eirin, Mamizou, Yuugi, Akyuu, Kanako, Tewi, Wakasagihime, Mima, all three Fairies of Light.
it still kind of bewilders me that Kogasa is nearly as popular as Patchouli though.
where are my ten thousand Kogasa figures if she?s so popular, huh?
How does this happen. How does one of the coolest characters, with tons of manga appearances, get stuck this low. The manipulative trickster type who actually comes off as a person instead of a walking plot device, who drives like half the stuff that happens in Forbidden Scrollery, who has one of the most memed-upon attacks in the fighters, who has a big fluffy tail. (Worth at least ten ranks right there.) Who sometimes just up and solves minor incidents that threaten to ruin her fun.
Where did we go wrong, Mamizou.
Lowest ranked character to appear in multiple games: Unzan; who is ranked lower than a character who solely exists to be his hithoxThis joke is no longer funny to me anymore. In fact, it never was.
Highest ranked character with 1 game appearance [Discounting backgrounds in fighting games]: Flandre [Ironically she would still win even if the fighting game backgrounds counted]. Flandre is also the highest ranked character who has never been playable.She doesn't appear in any of the fighting game backgrounds.
She doesn't appear in any of the fighting game backgrounds.Which still validates his point.
This joke is no longer funny to me anymore. In fact, it never was.
I don't see any particular reason of why she would be higher though, every character has a chance.Well, if you consider her relevance in most of the works she appears in, her status as an EX - Boss, her fleshed out personality, and even her giant wardrobe and some more, you gotta admit that Mamizou has a lot going on for her, yet she still scored a "relatively" crappy rank in the poll. Heck, she's barely above Koakuma... and Koakuma have more first votes than her ! Everyone gets a chance, but her ranking just don't do justice to her.
Highest ranked PC-98 without a post-PC-98 appearance is Shinki, who chronologically is the last PC-98 character met. If you were to count all PC-98 characters you get Reimu; obviously.
Interesting that Shinki has overtaken and now pulled away from Mima as most popular PC-98 character.
Also quite funny that she has gained several places in the last 2 polls, despite having been retired for almost 17 years.
It's sad that the most interesting thing I found about this vote is not the result but those people who doubt the voting system.
Mamizou
Except it's not a joke. ZUN himself said that. If the character designer said that is the case; it's not a joke. It's truth. Ichrin may have developed beyond merely being Unzan's hitbox in the fighting games [And even then she pretty much is that; very few of her attacks are actually HER] but in UFO she was designed as such and that was her purpose.Who says character designers can't decide to say something funny or something wrong (not saying he's wrong, since there can't be anything wrong about this)? If he says something like Kisume's inspiration and character design is actually based off how he envisions himself as a female, decapitating people and all, are you really going to take that seriously? He can say the same thing for Alice, about her being the hitbox for her dolls. Miyamoto once said he is Bowser Jr.'s mother and no "just kidding" afterwards. Yeah (https://youtu.be/uu2DnTd3dEo?t=42s)... Sure, he more than likely means he designed him and not literally gave birth to him, but I'm sure the interviewers wanted to know Bowser Jr.'s literal mother when they asked that.
Canon wise, Mamizou is pretty well rounded, the problem is in the fanon : there aren't a lot of video or fanworks that put her in the spotlight. Fanon is the fuel that allows the likes of Daiyousei and Koakuma and forgettable characters to thrive, and Mamizou is a bit low on that imo. It might just be me looking at the wrong places, but I've really never heard about a Mamizou related video / fanwork so good that a lot of people would tell people about.The thing is, personally I think one of the reasons why fanon works don't focus on Mamizou is exactly because she is already well-rounded in canon, in fact one of the most well-rounded characters in that regard. So there is no "need" to "flesh out" her character through fanon works and the like.
Her design was seen as not being very appealing, to say the least (ugly was the usual word).How does one find Mamizou's design ugly but Hecatia's design appealing-
I'm surprised "you can't vote for everyone" is voiced as a reason at all. If you people somehow missed it, they've INCREASED the number of characters you can vote for.
Doesn't matter how many votes you have, you WILL have to cut someone out. Sure, more votes means more chances to be voted but it's still a matter of how much you like her.
that was true in the past as well, but that didn't stop her from actually gaining popularity over time.
And she has less 1st place votes than she EVER did before.
Who says character designers can't decide to say something funny or something wrong (not saying he's wrong, since there can't be anything wrong about this)? If he says something like Kisume's inspiration and character design is actually based off how he envisions himself as a female, decapitating people and all, are you really going to take that seriously? He can say the same thing for Alice, about her being the hitbox for her dolls. Miyamoto once said he is Bowser Jr.'s mother and no "just kidding" afterwards. Yeah (https://youtu.be/uu2DnTd3dEo?t=42s)... Sure, he more than likely means he designed him and not literally gave birth to him, but I'm sure the interviewers wanted to know Bowser Jr.'s literal mother when they asked that.
ZUN's intention was perhaps "I wanted to create a male character for once, but since it's strange for one to be directly attacking male opponents in a female-heavy series (Shingyoku doesn't exist, lol), I've decided to accompany him with a female character who you must hit."
Show me what he said, and we'll talk.
But even so, change in ideas are clearly made during the development process. If Unzan is supposed to be the actual character, then why doesn't he have any dialogues, character development, and adequate amounts of screentime? Instead, we had Ichirin do all the talking and stealing all the fame. Before creation, one could say that Unzan was supposed to be the actual character, but that clearly is no longer the case by the time the game came out. For a series that focuses on females, ZUN should know better than to create a character duo where the male is more important than the female.
To be fair, it can go either ways depending on the point of view. From ZUN's POV, he created Ichirin with the intention of her being Unzan's hitbox, but you cannot deny that he also made her her own character. In the actual story, she's not, like, a projection of Unzan or some kind of growth attached to him. Everything she does and say are all her own. Unzan is not her true identity nor is he using her to express himself, so as far as the series's lore goes, Ichirin is completely her own entity.
'Essentially, Unzan is the Stage 3 boss of Undefined Fantastic Object, not Ichirin; Ichirin herself came as a way to have an actual character on the screen for an hit box according to ZUN. When trying to think of what type of youkai to call Ichirin in Part 3 of Symposium of Post-mysticism, even Byakuren, who calls herself an expert on youkai, could only hesitantly refer to her as "um... a controller of a giant nyuudou."
You stand no chance of defeating Ichirin while Unzan is protecting her, and it is impossible to harm Unzan in the first place.
Except she hardly had a personality at all in UFO. Her personality was basically 'Why are you following the ship' and loyalty enough to Byakuren to join Shou and Murasa. Her 'personality' on the wiki is one sentence. Unzan has three. And he doesn't even speak.Unzan not speaking at all hurts his characterization a bit when compared to someone who actually speaks.
I've not played 13.5/14.5 so I cannot speak for her being fleshed out there, but in UFO, she was hardly even a character.
Combine this complete lack of characterization with her in-game purpose [In both UFO and 13.5/14.5; where the attacks performed by her proper are minimal] and the fact ZUN said as much; and you can see why it's hardly a joke to say 'Ichirin is Unzan's hitbox'. A joke is something like Sakuya and Pads; or Yuyuko eating everything [Instead of just being somewhat gluttonous like IN suggests].
I cannot find the actual quote from ZUN himself; but it's mentioned several times on the wiki that ZUN said this is the case. Admittedly the wiki is not 100% reliable; but it also quotes SoPM:
Her character is so flat she doesn't even have a species. Even Byakuren basically calls her Unzan's Hitbox in canon. Made even more supported by another SoPM quote:
Yay, I was waiting for this.
(http://i.imgur.com/IZqH5N6.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IZqH5N6.png)
https://twitter.com/kirai_s/status/691194998209925121
Mamizou is EX. A friend of Nue and that is about it. If we strip FS and purely look it at it on its own: Mamizou is nothing but just a tail like Ps mentioned.
Not saying this is the reason for her low popularity, but could be one of the reasons.
It's a shame, that just show the huge shit taste of this fandom.The biggest problem is that the potential characters she does have to pair with, they are usually better paired with other characters that's more popular. (ie. Mamizou/Kokoro is overseen by Kokoro/Byakuren/Miko or Kokoro/Koishi, Mamizou/Kosuzu is overseen by Aki/Kosuzu, Mamizou/Nue is overseen by Nue/Myouren temple or previously Nue/Koishi/Flandre).
Jokes aside is still a shame.
*looks at the stuff that has appeared since my post*It's similar to some extent, though.
Whoops... I guess that Twitter post isn't the same as the actual results... My bad. :blush:
Or maybe Mamzoop just has an unappealing design. >_>