Welcome to the Foundation, x!
You are a Class-D personnel (http://containmentbreach.wikia.com/wiki/Class-D_Personnel) (vanilla town).
(http://i.imgur.com/xTsBriq.png)
As an ex-death row prisoner who would already be dead by now, you welcomed the nullification of your death sentence you were given in exchange of doing some ?unspecified activities?. And even if you hadn?t, you had no choice to begin with.
Nonetheless, death might not be mankind?s worst nightmare.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.
SB if you rolled scum with refa again and end up bussing him again I swear to god
Nobody understands the Refamustbelynched Vote Stage, do they?
Refa is The Person Who Always Rolls Scum in SF.
He is also vacationing in Hawaii at the moment so turbolynching him is O.K.
Every time he tells me about a MotK game he's playing, he's always rolled scum...Has SB ever rolled town on MotK?
Every time he tells me about a MotK game he's playing, he's always rolled scum...Has SB ever rolled town on MotK?SB's town in enough games here that I'd infer he just likes talking about his scum games. Don't we all?
Actually I'm kinda bothered that SB's first thoughts about the game were wrt bussing. The game where SB and Refa rolled buddies together (and where SB bussed Refa hard all game and won) is not particularly recent so I don't see any reason for town!SB to be itching to bring it up unless he really wanted to introduce MotK to the joke, which I don't get the impression that he'd care much for.If there's anything that's bothering me, it's Raitaki being concerned about a sort of vote he should be well familiar with.
Actually, I'm not in Hawaii. Anyways,
##Vote: SB
Every time he tells me about a MotK game he's playing, he's always rolled scum...Has SB ever rolled town on MotK?
The problem with Dan's vote was that it was on a person with 2 votes already on them, and it didn't even have a reason, like meta joke or whatever. It's not super important since it was RVS, but still pretty questionable.Yeah. Have you never seen someone vote to enlarge an RVS wagon before? Explain why you think it's questionable.
...What's wrong with you people? The "post" button is down there.
I have (1) town read(s)
SB and I wagoning Refa was a joke
Is this self-inclusive?No!
This is setting off alarms.
How could Vhaltzo know SB's intentions were a joke as well? How could he know they both had the same intentions?
I think this is a slip that they have contact; or; in other words; are the scums.
#Unvote
#Vote: Vhaltzo
...What's wrong with you people? The "post" button is down there.It was RVS/ED1, so there's no reason why I shouldn't go after something questionable, even if it isn't that scummy to begin with. Trying to generate discussion for ED1 but then staying out of discussions is also pretty fishy imo. Also, I was trying to pressure Dan into not doing his vanishing act this game.
Yeah. Have you never seen someone vote to enlarge an RVS wagon before? Explain why you think it's questionable.
Well someone's gotta try and make something happen to try and kick this game into gear.
I'm pretty sure between this post and mine and Dan's responses it was implied as being pretty bad.Firstly, how did the "clear" post where "Raikaria basically says)ry" require Dan's response to be clear that it was admitting a bad case? And secondly, Dan implied that either he couldn't stomach his pea soup or Raikaria's case was bad, yes, but how does this have anything to do with you seeing Raikaria admitting his case was bad?
The only real read I have I have is based on Raikaria's last post where he basically says that his case was bad because it was trying to generate discussion
I read Raikaria's post the same way SB said but don't find it particularly scummy coming from Raikaria. I can see town!SB voting there as a means to Move The Freaking Game Along and also don't think SB would give enough of a fuck about barely-out-of-RVS votes as scum to reply to things with such blatantly obvious replies.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dan
NNR did you read Raikaria's case because I don't think you read Raikaria's case.
Refa seriously? I dropped the Dan vote because it wasn't going to accomplish anything after saying "well I'm just voting for pressure", there's no threat in that kind of vote anymore. There's nothing to be understood other than Dan sometimes liking to not post content for extended periods of time.
You and SB are also lame for using the "he could've made that case earlier!" scumtell because iirc I made that up in Healer Mafia as scum to cast suspicion on people for no good reason, and if I wasn't the first to do so it's still dumb 90% of the time. People can suddenly find old content relevant for all kinds of reasons as simple as remembering things, being reminded of them through newer content or just by rereading. I didn't remember the last time you posted and you certainly posted in the SF game while not doing much here so I obviously found it relevant as opposed to 24 hours ago when there was less content and you had posted recently.
idk what to think of the rest of your wall considering that you've never played with Raitaki/Raikaria/Dan before.
Raitaki's explanation for his reaction to ActionDan(TheMan's) vote is fine, but his response to Raikiri (I'm going to get these names mixed up with each other at one point in this game guaranteed) is kind of bad. Where does Raikiri WIFOM? I'm assuming you're talking about him saying his case was bad, but I don't see how that's WIFOMy at all. Also considering your issues with Raikiri, your case on SB comes across as a backpedal of sorts. Keep in mind that you agree with SB (you complain about WIFOM and SB complains about Raikiri admitting his case were bad, but I don't see how these are different at all considering the only time Raikiri could've "WIFOMed" was when he claimed his case was bad) yet are complaining about how he's twisting Raikiri's words? Somehow? Also I really don't like how you're already throwing out buzz words like "misrep" this early on. Why is SB forcing a case as opposed to just having a weaker case because RVS?Well WIFOM might have been the wrong word, I guess I meant like too much speculation on something that could have a bunch of different explanations for it? He took "SB and I were wagoning Refa as a joke" too seriously while it could have easily and likely been construed as "I was joking and I assume SB was, too".
You dropped the Dan vote in like two hours lol. Why make the vote in the first place if you knew he wasn't going to be around? Why not just vote me then?
Don't really see why you can't comment on the rest of my wall? The fact that I haven't played with them means that it will less meta in it and that's about it, really. If one of my points doesn't jive with someone's meta (e.g. Action Dan's scum meta is to only vote people on Tuesdays) then you should like point it out (or any other issues really).
NNR did you read Raikaria's case because I don't think you read Raikaria's case.The post I wrote is based on the impression I got after I read through the thread a couple times.
Dorian has something to chip in:
Firstly, how did the "clear" post where "Raikaria basically says)ry" require Dan's response to be clear that it was admitting a bad case? And secondly, Dan implied that either he couldn't stomach his pea soup or Raikaria's case was bad, yes, but how does this have anything to do with you seeing Raikaria admitting his case was bad?
Wait what? I think my case is better than any other case. It's the best I could come up with at that point. My response to other people thinking my case was bad is basically 'Well at least I'm making cases guys'.
I mean it's all well saying 'your case is bad' but at least make a case yourself. Of course it may not be the world's best case. It's a tiny thing I nitpicked from RVS. But it's more than anyone else was putting on the table.
Although; my implication is that you are scum as well SB; so I guess that basically falls into a OMGUS vote from you. Let's vote the only guy attempting to actually make a case!
and he doesn't actually address my criticisms of it at all and try to rectify anything from it.
Or it was just extremely obvious they were RVS votes?
You and SB are also lame for using the "he could've made that case earlier!" scumtell because iirc I made that up in Healer Mafia as scum to cast suspicion on people for no good reason, and if I wasn't the first to do so it's still dumb 90% of the time.
All you did until that point was defend your awful case based off of an incorrect assumption that other players did not agree with [Both Raitaki and NNR have said they read it otherwise]This is literally the only thing that caught my attention in my read-through and I still have yet to figure out what context I should apply it to, but I feel like it should take me... somewhere. I feel like I could accuse Raikaria of the same thing but I'm not sure who has a more valid case between Raikaria and SB at this point. I should read them both again in ISO.
I think I redeemed myselfirks me as a kind-of maybe scumtell? That quote doesn't feel natural to me.
Welcome to the Foundation, NNR!
You are a Class-D personnel (http://containmentbreach.wikia.com/wiki/Class-D_Personnel) (vanilla town).
(http://i.imgur.com/xTsBriq.png)
As an ex-death row prisoner who would already be dead by now, you welcomed the nullification of your death sentence you were given in exchange of doing some ?unspecified activities?. And even if you hadn?t, you had no choice to begin with.
Nonetheless, death might not be mankind?s worst nightmare.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.
Also I'm having doubts about my SB vote because of general MotK D1 meta.wtf does this mean
As for my reads, right now everyone but SB and the lurkers are varying levels of null. We found Refa's reads on Raikaria vs. SB interesting, so we wanted to see what his perspective was.
Unimpressed by NNR's post. BT has posted his share, so that leaves NNR and Dan as lurker lynch candidates. I won't be here for deadline and I don't think Dorian can vote in my stead, so I'll vote NNR before I go to sleep unless that would be a hammer.
- Welcome to the Foundation, Vhaltz!
You are SCP-420-J (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-420-j) (Jailor).
(http://i.imgur.com/BCJoMXt.png)
As the onlyawesometotally safe SCP object, you?re the best SCP. At least according to some.
Scientists who have ?tested? you have reported on your miraculous healing and relaxing properties. Every night you?ll invite someone to taste you, this way they?ll be protected from any attempts to their life. Unfortunately, your side effects will also make them unable to act during the night.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.
Still think SB is scummy. Pretty much agreeing with stuff Raikaria said about SB while I was gonna, especially the tunneling. Before being called out he only posted 2 lines questioning NNR and nothing else.
Hi, I'm a self-watcher (it was passive), and was targetted and vanillized!
The person in question has about 5 secs to explain why they choose me.
The only real read I have I have is based on Raikaria's last post where he basically says that his case was bad because it was trying to generate discussion, which feels like he's trying to make himself unaccountable for his vote and he doesn't actually address my criticisms of it at all and try to rectify anything from it. ...This was our starting point, and we can still say two things about it, even without looking at anything else. First it's highly speculative and secondly it's the ?generic day one Raikaria case?. And if we now look at the so questionable ?Last post? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1112866.html#msg1112866) , which we interpreted as ?You have to start somewhere.?, then you see why we had to insist on a clarification, which turned out like this:
I'm pretty sure between this post and mine and Dan's responses it was implied as being pretty bad.Aside from the hilarious fact that he's apparently unable to pinpoint the source of his ?only real read? better than ?it was implied somewhere?, is it a level of obscuring that we can't tolerate.
it's nice to know that I'm confirmed town.
And I wasn't a self-watcher. I certainly did have a role that was vanillized though. If you guessed, "makes people insomniacs", you'd be right. If you guessed that flavor wise, that I'd be a book, you'd probably be a scum Roleclop.
I remember having a power whereby I vigged town and vanillizerized scum. It was shitty. yours is kinda shitty as well for a town power by the same token.
When you got your result back what was your immediate thought?
Raikaria, you were the one who put him at L-1 but the votals are just out of order...
Dorian's AtE is horrendous and makes me want to lynch it harder. I don't think Dorian would flip out that much at their buddy's vote, so maybe I need to look into SkyRefa again?
As for my reads, right now everyone but SB and the lurkers are varying levels of null.
We had quite a debate about him[Raikaria] with Raitaki. Where Raitaki considered Raikarias push against SB as town intended and agreeable, were we kind of sceptic about the mud fight they had on page three. We still suspect SB far more than him, so we will trust in Raitakis judgment for now.
...Defending is also out, because it will only keep me from scumhunting without changing anything.
8 slots, 9 players: there is a slot for a hydra, which is counted as a pr and balanced accordingly.
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Shipping like Nepeta ...You can write Dorian X Everyone fanfictions all day but one thing makes me curious.
Let's say that it's already day three, I was lynched and flipped town. Who would you see as scum then?
And thinking about when to best MassclaimNever, roles are no alignment indicators and therefore irrelevant.
Oh, so you think that I budged people? That would be odd, cause it certainly don't looks that way to me.^^;
Also, it would be lovely if you could answer this question too.
...Well, if you mean that he cleared Dan, then I say that is wine till we get SBs flip and it will be still wine if he flips scum. And the ?important bits? wasn't what he claimed but what he did with the result. The offensive use of his claim was pro town at least but that he didn't got to a conclusion (till now if I'm not mistaken) is meh.
Dorian: If SB's scum, what say you about his claim and Dan's slot? The only thing you have to say about Dan in that regard is that the claim is interesting - but he's claimed insomnia-tor and vanilla-ized. Does not give the impression that you're focusing on the important bits. It might also be worth talking about why the Raitaki part of the slot didn't post more of your thoughts/arguments during the second half of D1.
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So... If everyone else vanilla that's one thing. I sorta think SB is scum. that's why I'm thinking about MC.Just two questions. What makes you think that SB is scum? And what took you so long?
Don't you mean the thing where you put me to L-1, giving scum the perfect opportunity to just call me out on something and call it a day? Cause that's what I see happening right now.
And about Dan, Scum SB could try to get town credit in case that Dan flips first or he sets him up for a mislynch in case SB flips first.
my selfhammer bluff could be.
@ Raikaria:
The point you still don't see is that putting me at L-1 that early in the day is as good as saying, ?we lynch Dorian today and there is nothing more to talk about!? and that was a bigger threat to town than my selfhammer bluff could be.
I mean, if you haven't noticed, the discussion here had dropped down to the two of us.
I should actually start to pray that I'm wrong, cause if my reads are right, then the town I'm going to leave would be Drugged Paladin, LazyDan and Piefke. We are so doomed!^^;;
You've been at L-1 for most of the day and the phase is almost over. Several players have already claimed. Are you going to claim? Or is your claim 'vanilla hydra'?Yes, my role is in fact town hydra, as you should knew if you payed attention to the matter. And before you ask, Raitaki is SCP-513 and I'm SCP-513-1.
Oh, that's what I call a turn of events, putting me at L-1 where I had barely time to explain myself. If you want to play like that, fine.
YOU GOT 25 MIN. TO UNVOTE OR MY NEXT POST WILL BE A SELFHAMMER!
Which one of us is worse in that regard, and do you think if I'm scum I've killed my scumbuddy's role in an awkward gambit?
Although I guess I'd support a Sky lynch today.
... Raikaria is a bit better on the reread too and I think I was getting too emotionally charged and it screwed with my judgement, but if he isn't scum I'm not sure who else would be? ...SB already distanced himself from the better part of his day one content, so I don't see what I could address as a whole.
...Why would town SB hide the fact that he knew that Dan was town?
Other things: lamenting on waiting to use his power N2 is rather weird since the worst that could happen is targeting a PR that dies night 1. chances of that are quite slim, so that belies not really thinking about his role. Asking to know if there was more than one person targeting me, which might be preparation for a claim fight if so. I don't really buy the gauging reactions from other players thing. He knew I was town at that point so I feel like even if he suspected multiple visits he'd just claim to be believed with nothing to hide.
I'm not vanilla, I'm an alternating watcher/voyeur who got roleblocked last night trying to watch Vhaltz (didn't claim to be roleblocked when the day started because it'd be outing a PR and it was pretty likely that Vhaltz's the one who did it, which is hilariously sad).
It's a weird 1-shot Cop/Vanillaizer hybrid where townies lose their roles and the mafia don't.is kind of a jerk role.
Four and a half hours to go. Nobody has said anything since I posted, so, uh...
I'll be around for deadline so I'll hammer if nothing else happens before then.
- Welcome to the Foundation, SB!
You are SCP-990. (1-shot Role destroyer/1-shot 1-Shot maker)
From time to time you appear in Foundation personnel?s dreams, warning them of imminent threats of varying danger. All of your predictions have been accurate so far.
During night you may visit someone else?s dreams, causing them such agitation that they?ll become afraid of using their powers. You may do this once to render someone powerless, or to make them able to use their role only once from that night on.
[removed]
Since you?re a Keter Class object, you?ve been granted a flavour safeclaim: SCP-914.
You win when nothing can stop your faction from controlling the vote.
because of #128 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1113639.html#msg1113639) where he is pretty pro-SB
#181 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1114153.html#msg1114153) is also pretty pro-SBNot true.
In fact; Dan's initial claim makes me suspicious of BT's claim more than Sky's claim; this is the primary reason I think we should lynch BT first.How so?
How so?
Because Dan claimed he used to be a watcher; and that he self-watched.Dan also claimed to have lied about that. I even mentioned my thoughts on the lie when I claimed. C'mon, guy. I don't want to get lynched if I can help it, because every time I let that slide town magically loses an un-lose-able situation, so if there's any other reason you think I'm scum I'll be glad to talk about it.
to be clear, I lied about being a self-watcher. I was a 3-shot caffeinator able to make someone post during the following night phase. It's a weak role.
I thought your slot was scummy on D1. Then I found some weird stuff about SB and decided I hated the both of you, but found him worse. Then his claim made me second-guess. Then your posts made me second-guess. Why am I scum for any of that?That's simple if you bring in the context of the day. You already opened the day being indifferent on the matter as it stood 1vs1 vote. You started to suspect me more as my wagon picked up momentum, and yes, even soft defended SB based on his claim. Your second-guess about me came just as the situation started to open again through Dans suspicion on SB, where you picked the third option Sky Paladin, ?Easy as fuck? as Vhaltz would say. And as the table finally turned came your condemnation of SB, based on his behavior surrounding his claim, the very claim that gave you second-guess.
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it's optimal to lynch vanilla then have both Raikaria and BT visit the other one.The only lynch that can be called optimal under this circumstances or any other circumstances is to lynch scum.
That's simple if you bring in the context of the day. You already opened the day being indifferent on the matter as it stood 1vs1 vote. You started to suspect me more as my wagon picked up momentum, and yes, even soft defended SB based on his claim. Your second-guess about me came just as the situation started to open again through Dans suspicion on SB, where you picked the third option Sky Paladin, ?Easy as fuck? as Vhaltz would say. And as the table finally turned came your condemnation of SB, based on his behavior surrounding his claim, the very claim that gave you second-guess.Actually, that's not true. I started second-guessing BEFORE Dan cased SB. When I came into D2 I was anything but indifferent, considering the amount of effort that went into the SB case. Seriously, you're just looking at the fact that I went back and forth and didn't put a vote, but that's something I do all the time. Judge things by the reasoning behind them - I think I explained my opinion shifts well enough.
Your stance on the claim was contradictory and your overall behavior opportunistic.
There is also this:Yeah, I noticed that, but in this case it means nothing. Scum want to have townreads and scumreads and sometimes they just don't want to case someone, so they make up some reason for why they think they guy they KNOW is town is town. It usually ends up something like "that's just how I FEEL, man. It FEELS that way" which is exactly the case here. The same goes for fake townreads on scumbuddies - what he said about Refa. If you're taking this as a point against me, it's a point against Sky as well. As a matter of fact, SB didn't even consider Refa/Sky in... any of his posts after RVS.
?Looking at the other players, BT is looking better than when he was Townest, it feels like he's posting now to catch scum rather than just because he needs to get the posts out there, even if his early activity levels were fairly similar.? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1113673.html#msg1113673)
In the light of the above is it needless to say that I'm disagreeing with that point. I do even go as far as to say the opposite was the case. And yet he puts you later in that post on the same level as the townny he supposedly just coped.
Interesting, isn't it?
^ This. It didn't register how bad that statement was until you pointed that out Dorian.Dan and I aren't both scum. <_< If you think Dan's town, he's not trying anything foul here. And he's right.
Raikaria, why do you think I'm scum over Sky?
And you're acting really suspicious and scared of being voted when it shouldn't even matter which order things are done in since everyone else is pretty much clear [Not totally clear; but pretty much]. I don't really see many ways Dorian can be scum; and while Dan can be scum it's not likely.It's an ego thing. No one likes being lynched. What would you do in my situation? You shouldn't judge people by the fact that they're defending themselves but by how they're doing it. Also, see the thing I said about town losses. Micro 31, Town Mafia, Villains Anonyfia and some more I might be forgetting is quite the resume. >:(
I'm not saying both you and Dan are scum; at no point did I say this. That knee-jerk reaction to me saying 'Yeah that statement by Dan was bad Dorian' also seems suspicious. It's an over-reaction and putting words into my mouth.Oh I didn't say you said it, but raising an eyebrow at that Dan post implies he's trying to steer people away from the lynch like some shady mofo. Since we can't both be scum, I'm telling you it's not really possible. :V
The Dan thing is simply a thing to keep in mind in the event Dan and Sky were trying some funny business. I'm not saying 'BT and Dan are both scum'. By no means.
Scum wouldn't even think about hammering right now, it's town who has the nasty habit to do such foolish things. And I really don't like the idea to go for a ?lets quikelynch the one who quicklynchs? gambit when we have so much time left.
Yeah I don't think Dan is in a rush to hammer and Sky isn't gonna selfhammer.I wouldn't count on that regardless of his alignment. <_< Not that I would mind a scum selfhammer but I'm a naturally pessimist. >_>
But you know what? Whatever. I keep saying it dosen't matter which order people are lynched in; so I'll just lynch Sky first if you are so adamant against it.
Are you actually serious about this? What. Just because you were attempting to make a case doesn't make you above suspicion, and your constant defensiveness based around this fact is really bad imo.This looks like a scumbuddy calling out another scumbuddy for their bad case, like when I was calling out Serela about two games back for tunneling on me all game. This unintentional strategy worked because nobody believed Serela and I could be scumbuddies.
Of course; under-the-radar applies to Sky Paladin even more.That's incorrect. I have more posts than BT and more content posts in day 2 than you do. You post a lot but you don't say much. Conversely, I post little and say a lot.
Sky's reaction to Dan calling for a massclaim in #161 is suspect; he seems happy about it [Massclaims give scum information]; yet dosen't start things off by claiming himself.This is a misrep. I was happy for a massclaim because massclaims out scums (it's partially how we netted SB). I didn't claim immediately because I was waiting for the majority of players to agree to a mass claim, otherwise, there's no mass claim. The last person to claim was BT. Why would I have to be the first person to claim in any case? There was no claim order specified.
Sky's #176 gives suspect reasons for thinking Dorian is scum.Suspect according to you. You should outline my case and specify why it is apparently bad instead of blanket handwaving it as 'suspect'.
I pushed Dorian because of his L-1 reaction and the fact that I was very confident that one of SB or Dorian were scumThis is also untrue. Please see my post here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1113739.html#msg1113739) where I did exactly the same thing you did.
Sky also only hammered because of consolidationOnce again, this is a misrep/untrue/fib/etc. I agreed with Dan's case and indicated I would hammer because of it here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1114224.html#msg1114224).
Dorian is 'cleared' by interactions with SB as well
I like to think I am reasonably clear considering the amount of time SB spent trying to lynch me; but it's not up to me if I'm clear in your eyes or not.
Dude subs in, doesn't do any groundwork and sticks his vote on the Raitaki wagon.I arrived and initially sheeped Vhaltz's vote initially and then upgraded it to my own vote once we saw Dorian's scum reaction. How is this bad?
SB tries passing Refa off as obvtownBuddying, naturally.
Vhaltz dies despite being "doctor'd" insomniac because he knows the scumteam and the scumteam know him.What does this even mean/how does it relate to your vote on me?
More evidence could probably be unearthed - this is just off the top of my head.Please do so because your case is lazy and non-existent.
By POE the last scum is one of (Sky or Doritaki) or (BT or Raikaria). Killing Sky or Doritaki will town clear the other one, and killing BT or Raikaria will town clear the other one.
BT (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1112868.html#msg1112868) calling out SB for inactivity, not the kind of thing scum tend to do.
SB (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1112913.html#msg1112913) voting for Raikaria.
Raitaki (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1112926.html#msg1112926) voting for SB.
Raikaria (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1112948.html#msg1112948) claiming SB's vote is OMGUS (it's not).
SB (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1113089.html#msg1113089) arguing with Raitaki and Raikaria. This looks like a scumbuddy calling out another scumbuddy for their bad case, like when I was calling out Serela about two games back for tunneling on me all game. This unintentional strategy worked because nobody believed Serela and I could be scumbuddies.
Further;
Raikaria claimed he is a 1-shot roleblocker. BT claimed he was roleblocked night 1. BT made his claim last, and added that he was roleblocked night 1 after the 1 shot roleblocker was announced.
However...it's likely that mafia have a roleblocker. It's easy for a mafia player to fake a 1 shot roleblock.
What's more likely? BT lied about being roleblocked (so he didn't have to produce a result) or Raikaria lied about his role? Or that both are telling the truth (and therefore, scum Dorian?)
In addition; I am happy to lynch today because it is certain that one of you or BT are scum.
Also don't kick up a stink about you posting more often than BT. Your posts had no content. BT's did.
If you actually read my D2 flip-flopping I say very frequently that I am alright with lynching either party.
that dosen't explain why you never really said much or made a real case about anything D2.
Dan is CONFIRMED TOWN. He claims SB vanilla'ed him and no-one is C.C'ing his initial role.
I'm an idiot; of course Dan can't be SB's scumbuddy pulling a gambit; his initial role is un CC'ed and confirmed.
Sky is panicking and making a case on me.
Frankly I saw so many things incorrect with the first few points alone that I gave up reading the rest of the walls but whatever:
Completely ignore the fact that SB's vote on me came after I voted him for awful logic [Which not only I pointed out]. He then voted for basically for my reaction to his awful logic. That IS the definition of OMGUS
Apply what happened with two players that are neither SB or me to SB and me. This logic is therefor invalid.
If you actually read my D2 flip-flopping I say very frequently that I am alright with lynching either party.
In addition; I am happy to lynch today because it is certain that one of you or BT are scum. It's that simple. I'm happy to put you at L-1 because I know Dorian won't hammer; and I know Dan won't hammer; and I know you won't selfhammer.
You say my role is less trustworthy than BT's? I say the opposite.
Firstly BT's claimed role hasn't actually done anything at all yet.
He claims he was jailed N1 and he got nothing at all N2. Watcher and even Voyuer seems a little strong in this setup as well; especially with SB being a vanillaiser; if he targeted Dan on an Even night or whoever Dan was watching on an Odd night he would be screwed.
And that's assuming he also didn't target whoever Valtz was blocking. There seems to be too many ways to screw over scum. Even if Valtz was still alive if I roleblocked that wouldn't be a checkmate situation. I could have roleblocked the guy Valtz blocked; or the guy Valtz jailed could have been the kill target and so on.
Plus the fact that I actually have a role PM saying I'm a 1-shot roleblocker; makes me a lot more confident in the existance of my role than BT's.
Also don't kick up a stink about you posting more often than BT. Your posts had no content. BT's did.
And it's nice to see you actually doing something relevant at last when you are panicking about the noose. Typical scum reaction.
I think at this stage you are forced to vote for me because you know if BT dies and flips town, we will lynch you by POE.Yes, that's why Raikaria started this day by voting me. (sarcasm)
However, I remind you that only two games ago, Serela and I (both scum at the time) argued all of the game. Arguing with players is not a town clear.Seriously, this is extremely easy. You say this kind of thing and you can ignore ANY SCUM INTERACTION. You're not looking at the interaction in question. Sorry if I think you would have taken a closer look at this as town instead of using a weak meta excuse to your advantage.
Dan, Doritaki, BT, it's about time you three did something, because I can't convince Raikaria to admit he's scum.You're sure doing a lot to convince him to vote BT. Wonder why that is. >_>
Eh; fine; I'll vote BT first then. Ultimately it doesn't even matter.Seriously, this kind of attitude is the worst. You were around for Villains when I did this and we got Kyuubey'd.
SB and Raikaria's arguments on day 1 were caused by scumbuddies trying to distance themselves from each other/arguing against each other's cases.Maybe, but I think that I got a good impression from Scum Raikaria in my game and I recall that he were more cooperative with his buddys.
Raikaria's aggressive behavior, willingness to vote and change votes frequently, as well as the early hammer in the previous phase, are evidence of scum intent.Being aggressive isn't scummy on it's own nor is changing your vote and as unhappy I was over the NNR wagon, so can I still say that even I couldn't see a alternative to his lynch. So what's your point?
Raikaria's case against me is entirely based on misrep and false or misleading statements.That's funny, I could say the same about halve of your case against me.^^;
We've got the game in the bag, except if Raikaria is somehow scum. I know he's our townread and I'm not saying he's suspicious or anything, but as our only way of losing the game, I'd say we should still double-check him before LyLo. Well it's either Raikaria is scum or we get ourselves lynched instead, but I think that would take actual effort at this point :V
ActionDan could technically fit the bill, though scum insomnator is pretty weird, and no one counterclaimed or flipped to the contrary yet, so.
Also, ask Sky_Pal why exactly he though one of us and Raikaria is scum. It sounds like "hey I haven't read anything yet but one of the people involved with SB must be scum <3" was basically his latest post.
If you ever change your mind about not hammering Sky_Pal, I'm cool with it. If you really think BT is scum then I won't stop you, since I still can't really read him.
Also, your excuse that no one is around when you are on is noticed, on the same level as BTs excuse ?the day is stagnating So why should I do something?? at the end of day two.
And no, I haven't change my mind about not hammering Sky. I guess that my response to sky make it clear that I still see you as town but for the benefit of town, take your time, make up your mind and tell us clearly which lynch you prefer today.The tunnel is strong in this one. Tell me what you think about my latest posts, because I think I did a pretty good job outlining why Sky's string of posts are bad.
Do you really think he's "legitimately scumhunting" when he has more or less handwaved all of your interactions with SB? That's not just "wrong", and Sky's not that bad at this game.
The tunnel is strong in this one. Tell me what you think about my latest posts, because I think I did a pretty good job outlining why Sky's string of posts are bad.As I said it was it meant as ?not hammering Sky right now?. And to come to your question, I actually agree with most of your points. Maybe aside from the point about Dan or do you have a reason to think that SB would have aimed for Rafa?
I'll get to this tonight probably. man is there a lot.That is nice to know, now who do you think is scum?
I do think Dorian is town at least. for now.
As I said it was it meant as ?not hammering Sky right now?. And to come to your question, I actually agree with most of your points. Maybe aside from the point about Dan or do you have a reason to think that SB would have aimed for Rafa?I think there's a tiny nuance that got my attention there - I mean, yeah, I think Dan is obviously town, but I don't think he's "confirmed town". Raikaria said that too, but there's a difference (he started off mentioning the gambit option and went for the codeword "confirmed" because his opinion changed directly because Dan's role as Coffienator is more or less confirmed).
Also, I cleared that guy, still even I recall enough to make a better case on Raikaria. But there are things about Skys approach that makes me wonder, wouldn't he pick a suspect whos lynch has more support than someone cleared by everyone else? Maybe someone like you?I wondered about that too, but sometimes you just do that as scum - avoid an existing 1v1 to try and open things up. He could have just voted me and pushed for a hammer, but then he would probably get lynched on the spot the next day.
I think there's a tiny nuance that got my attention there - I mean, yeah, I think Dan is obviously town, but I don't think he's "confirmed town". Raikaria said that too, but there's a difference (he started off mentioning the gambit option and went for the codeword "confirmed" because his opinion changed directly because Dan's role as Coffienator is more or less confirmed).It would explain what took Dan so long to make his case but lets not get carried away here, I don't think SB would pass on using his role, which means that Dan would risk to be CCed by the one SB really hit. Unless they hit Rafa ?knowing that he were VT? to begin with, which is just plain silly.
I wondered about that too, but sometimes you just do that as scum - avoid an existing 1v1 to try and open things up. He could have just voted me and pushed for a hammer, but then he would probably get lynched on the spot the next day.You mean in the same way you are trying to cast doubts on Dan right now? Na, my most recent experiences told me that you are too forced to deal with the matter at hand to plan that far ahead.
Kinda Graduated today.
I don't need to really even bother to make actual cases at this point; although I like to try.
Honestly, a compelling argument here is that you keep ignoring Dan completely from the get-go. Scum Dan faking being vanillized isn't out of the question, it's just unlikely when you weigh everything together (yes scum caffienator is weird but s-shut up). The people who'd have a clear "confirmed town" mindset are the people who ruled him out as a mislynch by "clearing" him via fakeclaim (it's scum).
Your posts tell me you're just trying to bring up as many points as possible to save your behind rather than finding scum. Your plans to lynch A to clear B don't tell me why you want to lynch Raikaria, they're just a means to direct the lynch elsewhere, correct lynch be damned.
A lot of your points are like that.
Sometimes you bring something up to incriminate me in a "why me and not him" way and you don't take it anywhere - why bring it up in the first place?
I mean you seem to acknowledge the fact that the Mod intended and balanced the hydra as a PR, yet you still consider my role as VT in all your considerations. So how about a 2xVT and (5xPR -2xScum) scenario?
Addendum: If Sky's scum, leaving Raikaria around to block him at night is signing his own death warrant.
At this point I don't have too much to say except that the points BT and Dorian have made about Sky Paladin pushing me to try and avoid a sure-death scenario seems valid; but likewise; as Sky said, my roleblock is a very powerful tool for potentially clearing someone tonight. Provided it's not messed with by the remaining scum's own role; of course.v_v
This is pretty much why I do't care too much if we lynch BT or Sky in the grand scheme of things. Right now I'm leaning towards a BT lynch; but only slightly and because that's why my gut is saying.
SB's reaction post to Dan's statement makes me a little curious. The fact he's asking for specification on how many people visited makes me think SB probobly did visit ActionDan; although a vanillaiser isn't always a scum move, and he may not have even been the vanillaiser. I guess we'll need to wait for SB to cough it up.
I mean; I've seen setups where they are town-sided and work as a sort of pusedo-cop. Like Masons except there's no quicktopic; they fail on a scum.
That said; it is at the same time more likely to be a scum PR than a Town PR; depending on the number of PR's in the setup. With scum only having Bi-Nightly kills powerful scum roles would not surprise me.
Doing my read-through but this comes before SB claimed to be the cop/vanillizer and it's pretty whacky SB claims something like this. Dunno if he did it intentionally to fit this kind of profile or let's say Raikaria posted this after SB possibly discussed his claim options in a QT, let's say.
Anyway continuing reread
1) The Hydra is it's own PR apparently in the rules. assuming that's scum you have a vanilla hydra / scum vanillizer vs. jailer + watcher/voyeur + roleblock + my role was swings in the favor of town a BIT much.
2) I believe that scum were cognizant of D2 being a day where a mislynch would significantly help them after SB accrued suspicion. Raitaki/Dorian was that mislynch.
I used a thought experiment wherein I started by assuming dorian/raitaki was scum
Shouldn't you vote for the person you think is scum rather than killing off the guy you think is town?
How about a thought experiment where you assume I am town and then think about the implications.
##unvote
##vote ActionDan
I can't believe you are this anti-town without you actually being scum. So I guess SB was a big gambit after all.
Welcome to the Foundation, Sky_Paladin!
You are a Class-D personnel (http://containmentbreach.wikia.com/wiki/Class-D_Personnel) (vanilla town).
(http://i.imgur.com/xTsBriq.png)
As an ex-death row prisoner who would already be dead by now, you welcomed the nullification of your death sentence you were given in exchange of doing some ?unspecified activities?. And even if you hadn?t, you had no choice to begin with.
Nonetheless, death might not be mankind?s worst nightmare.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.
- Welcome to the Foundation, Raitaki and Dorian!
You are SCP-531 and SCP-531-1 (http://containmentbreach.wikia.com/wiki/SCP-513), respectively. (Hydra)
When SCP-531 is rung, those who hear the noise experience strong anxiety, followed by the ability to sight SCP-531-1. SCP-531-1 remains invisible otherwise.
As a hydra, one of you will be able to post in the thread, but both of you are allowed to have OC (outside contact) with each other as long as you?re alive. You can communicate here (qt link) or wherever you please, as long as you paste your logs in the QT afterwards.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.
I watched Dan and saw nothing. I wasn't roleblocked because Raikaria is scum. G'morning.
Well ain't that a very convenient thing to be a watcher/voyeur and see nothing the entire game.Go night-by-night and show me how convenient my results are.
Wait a second I just thought of something.
When Dan claimed he used to be a self-watcher; why didn't BT Counter-claim him? He's claiming a Watcher/Voyeur combination; in which case he should have severely doubted that Dan self-watched.
This throws addittional doubt onto BT's claim other than the fact he's had an active role for 3 nights and seen nothing at all.
I'm not vanilla, I'm an alternating watcher/voyeur who got roleblocked last night trying to watch Vhaltz (didn't claim to be roleblocked when the day started because it'd be outing a PR and it was pretty likely that Vhaltz's the one who did it, which is hilariously sad). I wasn't sure if I wanted to claim, or claim some variation, or claim VT. In the end I'll just trust our ability to narrow it down anyway and the fact that you're [Dan] town, so me targeting you on N3 will force scum to kill me or Raikaria. When you claimed self-watcher I thought it was a clever choice for the setup because then I'd get voyeur results such as "a watcher targeted ActionDan" and it would be weird. Too bad. Extra motivation for me not really wanting to claim is the fact that my ability tonight is 99% useless unless I catch a secondary scum ability, which wouldn't probably tell me much anyway because it's just a voyeur. I'm SCP-372, if that helps any.
I said the playerlist led me here, and that's because I'm pretty confident Raikaria is town, and (recently) I'm inclined to believe Dan.This was before Dan "corrected" his claim. Was inclined to believe because of aforementioned clever setup antics, among other things. Mitsuki said her setup was checked thoroughly and I'm the kind of guy who likes making confusing setups (see Doctor Wars).
Alright; first things first; I think my little nitpick has outworn it's relevance. It's just something I found that had a chance of being a slip [But apparently everyone else thinks it's not and I'm dumb] which I used to start discussion.Reset.
#Unvote
Right; so the next step is to look at what happened after my vote.
SB's most recent post is also pretty bad. I think it's worth mentioning at this point he has only really contributed to respond to actions taken against him. [A common scum action] SB; as I just explained; your vote on me was bad. I suggested you were scum and you made a very shaky case on me; reading between the lines; and voted me for the first attempt at a real case in the game. That's an OMGUS reaction. You didn't even really critique the case.First paragraph: bias taking effect. Second paragraph: offering his scumbuddy a ladder to get down from the tree tops since he believes he has the upper hand in this argument.
Also I don't like how he's tightly gripping his 'case' on me when Raitaki has already attacked it and messed it up. No-one has been agreeing with your case SB. It might be time to drop it and start actually looking for scum if you want us to think that you are town instead if attacking a case that was naturally shaky as it was the first one out of RVS.
It's annoying to have SB as the only person I think is the scums at this point because the primary reason I think he is scum is his direct interactions with me [And Raitaki] because I'm sure there might be a counter-accusation of OMGUS from SB; but the fact his his tunneling on an already dead case and him only talking about said case is as bad; if not worse than; the vote itself.It sure is annoying.
##Vote: SB
All you have done is defend yourself from Raitaki and defend your case and make that little post after being called out for Tunneling already by me. Obviously I'm focusing on you right now; no-one else is posting so there is no other content for me to talk about.It was probably pretty frustrating for the scumteam - no one else was posting, so they were stuck arguing with each other like idiots. There WAS no one to jump to because no one was posting. That's why their remaining option is to jump on a lurker instead:
I'm actually not 110% on SB since he put in some effort after being prodded and his main mistake is ultimately a misunderstanding [and his refusal to back down from it]. Depending on stuff that happens I may be more inclined to vote someone who is least playing the game.The problem is that the reasons Raikaria's suddenly understanding of SB's mistake is nonexistent - he was attacking SB for the same mistake a few hours ago...
All you did until that point was defend your awful case based off of an incorrect assumption that other players did not agree with [Both Raitaki and NNR have said they read it otherwise]; and defend yourself from Raitaki's case on you as a result. All you have been doing is defending all game.Why has the beef become less relevant? Who knows.
And if you actually read my posts you would know that is my beef with you, and your case. I've said this like three times now. I don't know how to make it any clearer.
As much as it irks me to agree with Dan; I cannot help but sympathise with his inability to find a solid scumread; because aside from some things I dislike about SB's earlygame I don't really have a scumread either; and the SB thing is heavily mitigated by the fact usually whoever I get into a slapfight with D1 ends up being Town v Town. So I'm a little cautious.I'd say the main problem with this entire "it was a misguided argument thing" point is that Raikaria's conviction behind his argument posts don't make sense with the way he casually chalks it up to town slapfight later. "I don't really have a scumread?" Really? Your D1 posts are way too direct to suggest anything else.
[*quote of Dan claiming vanillized*]A pretty interesting line - what were these reasons?
Interesting.
Although 5 seconds is probobly a little awkward seeing timezones and everything.
I can think of reasons why I would vanillize you; but I did no such action.
SB's reaction post to Dan's statement makes me a little curious. The fact he's asking for specification on how many people visited makes me think SB probobly did visit ActionDan; although a vanillaiser isn't always a scum move, and he may not have even been the vanillaiser. I guess we'll need to wait for SB to cough it up.Even more interesting. Raikaria said in the last post that he can imagine reasons for a [town] vanillizer to target Dan, but his first assumption is scum vanillizer by inference from this post: "although a vanillaiser isn't always a scum move"... That doesn't make sense. Town Raikaria wouldn't be suspicios of a vanillizer claim in that case, but his first order of business is to combat that suspicion pre-emptively. And again:
That said; it is at the same time more likely to be a scum PR than a Town PR; depending on the number of PR's in the setup. With scum only having Bi-Nightly kills powerful scum roles would not surprise me.This time he's flattening the ground for a possible lynch of the claim. Why would you even think this if you thought it was an a-ok town claim?
I mean; I've seen setups where they are town-sided and work as a sort of pusedo-cop. Like Masons except there's no quicktopic; they fail on a scum.*facepalm*
Anyway; I think in this situation it is wiser for me to explain why I am not scum; since by doing so shows that BT is the scum. I've gone on long enough about why BT is scum [Everyone else is clear; stuff I said during D3 when I tried to lynch him back then.]???
Firstly; look back at Day 1 and Day 2. Aside from a few points when I dubt simply due to meta towards the end of Day 1; SB is usually being voted by me or is high in my lynch priorities. Indeed; despite me pushing on Dorian for the majority of Day 2; I say repeatedly that I am happy with lynching SB.Normally it's scummy of a guy to state willingness to lynch his scumbuddy while shoving some other guy off a cliff.
Speaking of Day 2; remember my reaction to Dorian threatening to self-hammer. If it wasn't for me then; we wouldn't have even lynched SB Day 2. Which I was a part of.That's a nice thing to say in hindsight, but if not for Dorian's posts the lynch probably wouldn't have changed anyway.
Then you have my interactions with players who were not SB. I've been stressing for most of this game; Dan is confirmed town. Indeed; Sky going to outright desperation and voting a confirmed townie was why I hammered him. Ultimately it turns out this was an error; but still. Ever since SB was lynched I have also been very supportive of Dorian.Sounds like my D3.
In addition; it makes no sense for me to have fakeclaimed Roleblocker as scum. Bearing in mind at the time I did so; I was saying 'either Dorian or SB are scum' indicating I expected by Night 3 SB to be dead; and posto N3 ibly Dorian to be alive and semi-clear. With 2 town clears; going into N3 would force the current situation upon me if I was lying about my roleblock.We're not privy to all of the facts. We're not privy to the last scum role and we're not privy to what you did or did not think through at the time. Saying this kind of thing, again, in hindsight, doesn't mean much.
If I was scum fakeclaiming; I would not have claimed a role which would create such a situation where doubt would naturally be cast upon the existence of my role. I also would not have claimed Roleblocker with Valtz already flipping Jailer. Such an action is silly. As it is; I'm not fakeclaiming; and it makes no sense for me to fakeclaim a Roleblocker either.
???
I should be confirmed scum to you, so the fact that you're not clawing through my play right now and instead taking this "y'know, it'be hard to mislynch this guy conventionally" approach is pretty scummy.
I can't see what SB sees about Vhaltz being pressured off the Dan vote and being disporportionate about Refa/NNR and it makes me think it was a hasty scumread pick-up. Aside from that, I want to know what " Vhaltz using the wrong meta wrt Refa" and "Refa is obvtown" means, but it probably won't help me much even if he does explain, so... That's it. I don't see anything wrong about his responses to Rai, and I kind of like the timing of the obvtown comment, whatever that may mean.
I didn't want to respond to it immediately (because the comment on randvoting Dan gave me pause), but Raitaki's response to my query back in post #40 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17111.msg1112926.html#msg1112926) was pretty roundabout backtrack-y with a side of retroactive defense of the stance under pressure. In English, he didn't really answer my question, instead going "b-but I went after something questionable in RVS" and adding an additional reason while unprovoked. I also don't like his SB case, not in that post and not in the future. While I could probably reconcile it based on just the first post, his explanations later don't really make sense. What exactly did Raitaki find scummy about SB's actions? It's like he started by realizing SB said "bad" and Rai didn't and went off to build a story on how SB thought Rai's case was bad, proceeded to ignore him and then frame him, while the interpretation of "he just found the 'but I have a case' post scummy" is so much more instinctive and easy to understand. So I guess I don't buy it. As usual, I have no idea what Dorian is saying. I also think it's lovely that Raitaki wants opinions from Refa in post #86 but I don't know what his thoughts are on Vhaltz/Refa/maybe others. Maybe he's just not interested. Hmm, I didn't think my opinion here was that strong, so I'll consider switching wagons from NNR.
Refa annoys me because his content post was filled with "stuff", in that I don't know how to weigh his opinions and where in particular they would have originated from. It's kind of like he just summarized most of what has been going on with a player, proceeded to the next player and then ##voted. And I'm pretty sure it's his writing style. I don't know what to think here, but I thought it was interesting he thought Vhaltz had no opinion on the active posters when Vhaltz clearly said things about Raikaria and SB.
BT is so much less wordy than I remember him, everything that he's posted is kind of k but I'm worried about the content that I'm not seeing. BT not actually playing the game for extended periods of time is weird and his "I got complacent with MotK lurker meta" may be an excuse to not actively prod people for content as much but not for not playing the game himself.
Looking at the other players, BT is looking better than when he was Townest, it feels like he's posting now to catch scum rather than just because he needs to get the posts out there, even if his early activity levels were fairly similar. Raikaria is a bit better on the reread too and I think I was getting too emotionally charged and it screwed with my judgement, but if he isn't scum I'm not sure who else would be?
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@BT, scum could've been given a Strongman kill or something to that effect, or have simply shot Vhaltz anyway and taken a risk that the doc would wifom away from Vhaltz (which I probably would've done had I been in the doc's shoes.) If you think Raitaki and I are buddies, do you think he's deliberately pushed me almost exclusively throughout D1 when in Serela's game he was perfectly capable of spending his time murdering townies instead? Considering the amount of hate I got at the time it would've been a risky move to do so too unless he really wanted to be a Serial Killer?
Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks.
He was active around RVS and it's immediate end; and he appeared towards the end of Day 1... for a lurker lynch. His opinions mentioned in that post are also basically 'I am sheeping Valtz!'.Dan can go factcheck this right now and see how misreppy you are here.
Ladies and Gentleman; we have DAMNING evidence here. My role failed because BT has [at least one] strongman kill."Ladies and gentlemen", no. If scum had a strongman shot, they would have used it on Vhaltz. Having two strongman shots where their kills would be on N1 and N3 in a game that would get to LYLO on D4 or D5 is... uh... stupid? It completely nullifies Vhaltz's role and, in theory, yours.
Day 3 is generally a 1v1 mess; and I don't see much merit in looking at a 1v1 where both are attempting to get the other lynched and survive. There's not any real scumhunting Day 3.And this is baloney.
Hell, if I really wanted to "make my role useful" I could have faked targeting Dorian at night. How is this even a thing?
Considering we've spent 24+ hours doing nothing and I'm busy today, could we get an extension? Special LYLO privileges?
In fact; Dan's initial claim makes me suspicious of BT's claim more than Sky's claim; this is the primary reason I think we should lynch BT first.
#Vote: BT
Because Dan claimed he used to be a watcher; and that he self-watched.
Dan; could you watch people who were not you?
Question.
these quotes are taken from post #199 and post #204.
The discrepancy is due to 'I forgot - derp' but the word "initial" appears suggesting that you were cognizant of a further claim by me, one that would have negated this 'primary reason' to vote BT. Do you remember what you were thinking exactly Raikaria?
BT. At the point where everyone massclaimed, we had an insomniac maker, 1-shot roleblocker, vanillizer/cop, jailer, hydra, vanilla + you. Did you not suspect that along with your role which is certainly considerable, that one of the claimed power roles was lying? Walk me through your thoughts during that time.I don't think I gave it too much thought. Yeah, I'm sure I did note that there was a lot of power in the game, but I generally play games with the mindset of not ruling anything out. If town's loaded, maybe it's just a role-heavy game, etc. Like, it's not that I actively ignored the detail, it just never occurred to me to find it important. It might have also had something to do with theoretical jailor + vanillizer + roleblocker disrupting a lot of town power, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I don't remember suspecting people because "there are too many roles", no.
But that first quoted post I couldn't recall exactly what it was about the watcher claim that irked me about BT which is why I never quantified it. Then when I re-read I remembered what it was about BT's reaction to your initial claim that irked me and why it cast doubt on BT's role during D4.Here I'm gonna note that it's a bad idea to base votes off of vague feelings like "he buddied SB" and "he reacted badly" especially if you don't have a good grasp of what you're talking about. Something something scum apathy.
Oh yeah; I forgot that; my bad.
Just to add to and summise the above; bringing this new point and my earlier points together:Your case hinges on explainable scenarios. I'm sure you would have commented on some of my play as town, but it's much more natural to shy away from that when you know I'm town. You're dealing with stuff as far away from my play as possible - role speculation - stuff that has nothing to do with me.
SB suggests scum has a strongman kill to BT specifically.
BT did not counter-claim Watcher when Dan claimed Watcher. [Afraid to stick out his neck?]
BT's Watcher/Voyeur has failed to see ANYTHING all game.
My role failed on BT last night. A strongman kill cannot be roleblocked.
I think it is beyond reasonable doubt that BT is lying about his role.
A pretty interesting line - what were these reasons?
As well as the rolespec about how it is incredibly unlikly that you are a legitimate Watcher there is:What, do I need to go over the night actions a third time? It was incredibly plausible if anything.
- SB tried rather hard to lynch me during D1 for a while; and cast doubt on my claim during D2. Why would my scumbuddy do that?I don't know, but there's certainly nothing stopping him? You were at each others throats and maintaining some level of hostility probably felt needed. I can say that it's a lot easier to call out a buddy on, say, a claim, because you're biased - it could look scummy to you and completely normal to a townie. This isn't anything special.
- It makes no sense at all for me to fakeclaim roleblocker as scum; since there already was a jailer flipped. In addittion; a strongman existing makes perfect sense if there is a jailer and a roleblocker on town.Conveniently ignoring my call that strongman on N3 is nonsensical, I see. Depending on your real role, maybe it DID make sense. As it stands, it's an open question.
- I tried to lynch SB Day 1; and during Day 2 was saying 'We either lynch Dorian or SB' most of the day. So unless SB and me were bussing hard the entire game...Cont. from the last one, you guys being aggro against each other but not ACTUALLY lynching each other for D2 is suspect on its own.
- I reacted to Dorian's threat to selfhammer. Why would I do that if I was scum? I'd have left him lynch himself.Scum do pro-town things on many an occasion. This isn't an excuse - it really does happen a lot. Plus the lynch wasn't likely to change at the time anyway.
And then there's things like #128 where as a 'watcher' you let Dan get away with fakeclaiming watcher without batting an eyelid. And how you claimed last. And how your role has conveniently not seen a single thing. And how SB in 133 specifically addressed you when talking about the possibility of a scum strongman kill.Already addressed all of this. You're not responding to my rebuttals at all. Instead you're just keeping on trucking on to keep the case alive.
I've also been in the forefront for most of the game. Scum usually lurks D1 in MotK; and you did just that BT.I swear to god it's in my meta by now.
So don't try to write off my case as simply rolespec. Yes; my case on you is 'explainable oddities' but when do 'explainable oddities' cross the line into being 'more than a co-incidence' when added together?Compare to your explainable oddities (which I have already explained) to the arguments I've flooded the last few pages with. If those things add up to something coherent, I've already caught the scumteams for the next 3 games.
I'd have vanilla'ed Dan after D1; if I had such a role; as a soft-cop on him due to his incredibly poor D1. He was a good target to Vanilla IMO; from a town perspective. Also as revenge for my opinion about his play the last few games. [Which is really; really poor imo and even bordered on outright anti-town on one particular game].I'm going to call you out for this a SECOND time: how, exactly, is it a soft-cop? I'm also gonna fact-check your D1 to see if you actually thought Dan was poor - multiple people found his post helpful.
I... am... awaaaake!Fact-check: done.
And it seems everything with my unvote just before sleep last night went to plan. All of the two and a half full-on lurkers have added content and thrown their pennies into the pile.
It appears this game it's a universal issue that we cannot make solid scumreads. The fact that NNR is currently at L-1 for his apathy and what amounts to active lurking shows this. [By the way guys; NNR is L-1] Arguably posting yet doing nothing is worst than not posting at all.
As much as it irks me to agree with Dan; I cannot help but sympathise with his inability to find a solid scumread; because aside from some things I dislike about SB's earlygame I don't really have a scumread either; and the SB thing is heavily mitigated by the fact usually whoever I get into a slapfight with D1 ends up being Town v Town. So I'm a little cautious.
I mean; everyone other than NNR and SB are giving off varying levels of town vibes; and my gut is telling me 'Don't lynch SB you've done this situation D1 like 6 times before and each time it's ended badly'. This is the problem I guess when the primary content is... well... yourself.
I'm yet to see anyone have qualms about lynching NNR anyway. So I'm just gonna drop the hammer. Honestly at this point I think flips are the most useful thing we can have to figuring this one out, and he has a good chance of being scum anyway IMO.
##Vote: NNR
Where have you seen them? Now I'm more curious than anything else. It could just be my bad memory, but I don't remember cop-vanillizers on MotK. I want to say "so that's what brought forth SB's claim", which I guess would be true anyway.
So when I heard 'Vanillariser' I thought of this role.*Minus the role copying aspect.
Indeed. While me and BT know the result; I don't know how many other people do. [Graveyard? People not involved but watching like maybe Serela and Shadoweh?](We got spoiled on the results, it was obvious by D3)
So the suspense isn't killing ME; but it's killing everyone else in the room.
(We got spoiled on the results, it was obvious by D3)
Welcome to the Foundation, BT!
You are SCP-372 (Alternating watcher/voyeur).
Even if you are considered an Euclid class object, you hardly ever damage anyone? at least directly. You like to stalk people, hiding from them. Your extremely flexible muscular fibers allow for you to be fast enough to avoid being spotted most of the time.
Once per night you may stalk someone, learning either who targeted them (watcher) or which roles targeted them (voyeur). You?ll be able to use watcher on odd nights, and voyeur on even nights.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.
Welcome to the Foundation, ActionDan!
You are SCP-1025 (3-shot Caffeinator).
You are better known under the name of ?Encyclopedia of diseases?. Currently classified as a Safe class object, those who read you develop the symptoms they read about.
Once per day phase, you may PM the mod with the name of a player, allowing them to read you. They will develop insomnia and stay awake for the duration of the next night phase, letting them keep posting. You may only do this twice.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.
- Welcome to the Foundation, Raikaria!
You are SCP-106. (1-shot Safeguard)
You are an extremely hostile and aggressive SCP. In spite of not being very agile, you will keep chasing your prey, using your ability to walk through solid matter, until you find them, damage them and bringing them to your pocket dimension to toy with them before you finish them off.
During night you may bring a player to your pocket dimension, making all the actions which target them, with the exception of kills, fail. You may only do this once.
You can communicate with your buddy, x, here: (qt link). You may also communicate with him through other methods, as long as you paste the logs on the QT.
Since you?re a Keter Class object, you?ve been granted a flavour safeclaim: SCP-714.
You win when nothing can stop your faction from controlling the vote.
I thought we lost the game at massclaim but somehow Raikaria survived? SCUM BRITS OP
Multiple town roleblockers in a game with odd night kills? Not really.