Didn't he also mention something about the fact that he didn't want it to get too popular that it'll get out of hand for him to control the doujin community on his series?
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bring piracy to a screeching halt
At first when I read the title and the first few sentences I thought you lost your mind and actually suggested piracy.
Lol Ubiquital didn't actually read the OP.
Ur right, so I shall change it to :
"Lol he thinks that ZUN might possibly care about distribution in the west -3-"
Yeah I came in here going 'sweet, time to watch snowball challenge or epic ban'.
(He probably won't)
There is one possibility for when Zun may want to expand sales though if he currently is totally uninterested though, not a good one. If for some reason he decides to take a big break (or quit altogether) from making Touhou games but doesn't want his income to take a break too, he can probably earn some cash without making moar games for awhile doing that.
I'll continue to fantasize about Touhou being available on Steam and Zun happily making moar though (without UFO powerups that is, god I hate those).
Edit: If Touhou became available on Steam, I would assume its popularity would be quite high (also because of Reccetear's success), which makes me wonder. How much would it affect the STG genre's popularity to us cave-dwelling westerners?
Wasn't Letty the one that organized an e-mail to Zun requesting for such things as internet purchases or donations or something and never got a response?
cave-dwelling westernersI thought "Cave-dwelling" and thought of Deathsmiles and other danmaku games that actually have been released Stateside ...
Okay people you seriously need to get that this isn't talking about using a western service. If it was offered online, it would be aimed towards Japan, but westerners would be able to buy it. Stop all the "ZUN doesn't care about the west" nonsense, it has nothing to do with this. Offering it online would make it easier to obtain for westerners, but the main focus is "all Touhou fans".
This is what happens when people just jump into the topic without reading the OP properly.
Well, watcha gonna do? The OP was a paragraph long! It would have taken almost 45 seconds to read it, and another 45 to come up with a smart response! My time is valuable. ;)
It's not just ZUN, almost every doujin game circle really doesn't care too much about digital distribution. Even Carpe Fulgur had to prod EGS about it with Recettear (although there were other factors in play). Most of it is that most circles aren't out to necessarily hit it big, and they're just accustomed to the whole Comiket-style or doujin store sales method. They will gladly sell to you if you come to them, but they don't seem motivated to make that extra effort to be easily accessible, for whatever reason.
Do not like Touhou to become too popular.Any particular reason why? It's not like it isn't already popular enough to have the annoying fanbase.
Touhou being popular would not make touhou itself any worse, nor would it make the fanbase worse.
Hell, if anything, it might improve the fanbase. More doujin artists and musicians competing with each other is a good thing, and would probably raise the overall quality of fan works. More "hurr durr" fans would just blend into the background noise.To be honest, we really need less Touhou-based doujin works. The market is flooded, and having 897326453245 remixes of Necrofantasia is exhausting. Don't get me wrong. I like the stuff, but there is just too much out there.
To be honest, we really need less Touhou-based doujin works. The market is flooded, and having 897326453245 remixes of Necrofantasia is exhausting. Don't get me wrong. I like the stuff, but there is just too much out there.
It's funny, I was thinking about pestering ZUN about this after I go to college.
On a typical service, let's say, the PSN, the X-Blah, and the WSC, how much would this cost anyway?
How would fans get the extra crap that's attached to the disc including the cover, manual (Is there a manual?) and the disc itself?
Say it does get popular.
Wouldn't that in theory just produce more fans that would pirate the games anyway?
How well would they score with review sites?
Are annoying fans going to keep ZUN from making TH13?
/wants to see DS on WiiWare
Maybe, you think, that the series is probably better off not being marketed blindly to a mass of people who more than likely can't stand watching pretty death hail from above? Or, aren't interested? I've met plenty of people who just don't like the games.
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As long as you have to pay for it, this is never going to happen.
Didn't he also mention something about the fact that he didn't want it to get too popular that it'll get out of hand for him to control the doujin community on his series?
By popularity I mean he doesn't want to INTENTIONALLY make the games more popular. He just want to make the games the way he wants it to be that HE'LL be satisfied with. I'm sure he's not looking for profit from the series himself.
To be honest, we really need less Touhou-based doujin works. The market is flooded, and having 897326453245 remixes of Necrofantasia is exhausting. Don't get me wrong. I like the stuff, but there is just too much out there.
Even then, the fact remains that the series is popular.
Although I may be very wrong, but I'm sure I heard it from someone in Japan. I think it was my friend who lives in Japan himself.
That's an interesting take, although one I don't understand. It might be exhausting having to sift through more and more doujin works, but at the same time, artistic competition tends to raise the overall quality. As one example: rock and roll. In the early days (late 40s early 50s), there were a handful of acts and they all sounded pretty much the same. As it got more popular, the style innovated tremendously. Granted, there's a pretty overwhelming number of rock acts out there, but "good" bands now are leaps and bounds ahead of "good" bands back in the so-called good ol' days. This is for the most part due to rock 'n' roll losing its underground status and becoming more socially acceptable.
It's hard to have artistic competition from a musical standpoint when most good works are overshadowed by the okay ones with flash videos to accompany them. That aside, it honestly seems that you can pretty much throw whatever you want out there, whether it's good or not, and people will eat it up if it has the Touhou name on it. A number of doujin circles, even the ones that are established and have evolved as artists, still tend to release mediocre works and will still, no doubt, profit from it, just because Touhou is involved somehow. There are dozens upon dozens of circles involved in the "competition", and I'm really not seeing an increase in the overall quality, especially not while groups like Innocent Key are allowed to exist, remain terrible, and still keep one of the bigger circle fanbases.
Indeed, but that's not entirely the point of this thread. As a continuation of the discussion:
If Touhou was to appear as a downloadable game on a console, what console would have the best and worst controls for each one? After all, some people are keyboard-only players, and some feel comfortable with different types of controllers. Also, TOUHOU FOR THE KINECT. DISCUSS.
ZUN never wanted the games to be introduced to the west. He wanted the games to completely local in Japan.
ZUN never wanted the games to be introduced to the west. He wanted the games to completely local in Japan.Source it. He never expected the series to become popular in the first place; you can't say that he "didn't want" some group of people not to get the games. Touhou was never "introduced" to the West, so there's not even a reason for him to say that in the first place. It's just hogwash. Also, again, that's not what we're talking about.
Quality is all relative,and I think being judgmental like that is counter to the "point" of doujin. I mean, it's supposed to allow those who normally wouldn't be able to share their talent an outlet, without fear of critical pressure.
We need some sort of database that allows us to rate and review doujin music.okay i believe you
Also, TOUHOU FOR THE KINECT. DISCUSS.
ZUN never wanted the games to be introduced to the west. He wanted the games to completely local in Japan.
Go figure why the menus are in English then.
Isn't the basic English vocab used in game menus standard to like 70% of Japan anyway?
And isn't it easier that way?
ZUN has been overlaying english translations of the in-game menus over the japanese characters since PCB, which I doubt he does for stylistic reasons.Still, from what I gather, the Japanese put English (and to a lesser extend German) everywhere without much of a reason beyond "english sounds/looks cool".
This is seriously the last thing one would do if they were trying to prevent something from being introduced to western audiences.
Swing your arms left to go left
Swing your arms right to go right
Jump to move up
Duck to move down
Pelvic thrust to bomb
PROBLEM SOLVED
okay i believe you
i was just pointing out your bad choice of words, it was a joke
It's hard to have artistic competition from a musical standpoint when most good works are overshadowed by the okay ones with flash videos to accompany them. That aside, it honestly seems that you can pretty much throw whatever you want out there, whether it's good or not, and people will eat it up if it has the Touhou name on it. A number of doujin circles, even the ones that are established and have evolved as artists, still tend to release mediocre works and will still, no doubt, profit from it, just because Touhou is involved somehow. There are dozens upon dozens of circles involved in the "competition", and I'm really not seeing an increase in the overall quality, especially not while groups like Innocent Key are allowed to exist, remain terrible, and still keep one of the bigger circle fanbases.
"Good" is a relative term. Maybe you think Innocent Key's songs are terrible, but I'm sure there are a large number of people who genuinely adore them.
Really, the whole discussion of "terrible Touhou arrange artists are only still allowed to exist is because they do stuff related to Touhou" is faulty in itself. There are plenty of Touhou arranges that the majority says are horrible, but does that stop those groups from making music? Generally not. Sure, good reception is a bonus, but I'm certain that most of these doujin artists are doing what they do because they want to do it. Innocent Key wants to make the songs they do. IOSYS wants to make the songs they do. Black Night Funeral and Demetori want to make the songs they do. They're taking a page from ZUN's book and just doing it because they enjoy it, horrible or not. And I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to make what they want to make, even if it genuinely sucks.
And if your only real problem is with fans of those groups making them popular and overshadowing the works of other artists, well, that's pretty much the same thing as hating Touhou because you hate the fans. A ridiculous reason, essentially.
Swing your arms left to go left
Swing your arms right to go right
Jump to move up
Duck to move down
Pelvic thrust to bomb
PROBLEM SOLVED
Swing your arms left to go leftI'm not sure if pelvic thrusting would cause me to bomb more or... well I can't really bomb less than I already am. Now I'm imagining someone playing lunatic and looking like they're doing :getdown:
Swing your arms right to go right
Jump to move up
Duck to move down
Pelvic thrust to bomb
PROBLEM SOLVED
Kinect paired with Touhou would be really bizarre, I would say. BUT THIS
This would be awesome, however. So, jump incredibly fast to move up? What about precisionjumpingtapping?