Tell Me Why I Should Remain Your Head Admin

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

Yeah. But now we're just starting to re-hash an argument in a thread which got locked for a reason.

[E-Nazrin]

Ohhh... how I want to be harsh here.

But I guess I'll leave it at "The prank's problem wasn't in its concept, but the social atmosphere it was done in and the treatment that responses were then given."

I'm talking more frankly with TSO about this over PM right now. I'll probably want to talk more later, somewhere, but.

[HakureiSM]

I wonder if TSO got my PM.

[JT]

Because at the time, TSO said "I hate you all, I'm going to shut this place down and not give you any real chance to back up" and people assumed that this was meant sincerely instead of as part of the April Fools joke.

Yeah, I kind of figured that. Still don't get why everybody's got their asscheeks all puckered over it. Oh no, some people said mean things on the internet! Sound the Serious Business alarm! Let's all have seizures and write up giant 1000-word reams of text!

[Kerigis]

*cracks knuckles*

I'm not a man of words, personally because of a very nice motto that my great-grandmother left me.
"Si del mundo quieres gozar; ver, oir y callar." (If you want to enjoy the world; look, listen, and don't speak)
I guess this is what left me along with everyone. I don't take sides because I want people to like me and have the less possible risks. I don't like to speak bad of someone "close" to me, and if I do, I try to be the less detrimental as possible, even joking. Any possible REAL grudges are inside me and talk to myself about it.

I guess you can call it some sort of L?esprit de l?escalier or Treppenwitz on me.

But in situations like these, sometimes, sadly, I have to break my motto. It's just too painful to have friends who don't get along with each other.

What I have to say, on regards of April Fools Joke, it was pretty distasteful joke to me. That I won't deny. I fell for it really hard, the turmoil started, and I was about -this- close to announce my local/other Touhou communities (non-english) about the death of MotK. However, I cannot deny as well that the people were on the wrong mood at such time. (Really, people. Your constant posts on the "Frustration Vent" here worry me a lot. I mean, come on, someone could make two topics of Happiness and Anger at the same time and guess which one rises quickly. On those days particularly, I heard people were not taking it easy and were about to go trigger-happy. I don't say that all the life should be shits and giggles, but man... take it easy). Also, I have to say that "I Hate you X" jokes are pretty touchy and difficult to do. I've seen one or two performed well, but with a community with this ammount of personnel that even haven't seen each other IRL or speaking to them to hear their voices (Yes I consider those as a major factor), it's bound to be doomed.

Thankfully, it was well... a joke. But it was a lose-lose scenario. And the fallout didn't turn out well. The panic button should have been hit and stopped early on.

Sidenote: Another joke could've been better. I have one or two ideas. Ufufu~

Regarding, TSO.

I had the nice opportunity to talk to you when you were on #meido. I remember asking help for the computer setup I was getting in and your technological expertise came in handy. I don't think we spoke a lot about anything else anymore, but it was nice to see that I was getting friendly with someone. I was a little sad, thinking that you thought #meido could be a separatist group from MotK, but that aside, I can say this:

You put effort on this. Now and then. That's enough reason to keep my opinion about you very high. I've seen admins driving things not so good or even disappearing from sight. I wish we could talk about more things and get to gnaw know each other more, just like any other person I chatted with on IRC. I may have not been observing MotK from the beginnings but I can say it stood up the test of time.

The detractors, well, there will always be, for troll, weak, stupid or real reasons, but the important thing is to keep the people who agree closer to you.

Resuming, I'd like for you to stay, however, what makes you happier is what should be prioritized.

[Slaves]

The day and over-the-top-ness of it all should have been a massive giveaway.

your ourburst was a dead giveaway, to say the least.

the only thing i could see you getting so upset over is if someone doesn't thumbnail an image.  :3

[Matsuri]

Yeah. But now we're just starting to re-hash an argument in a thread which got locked for a reason.

It got locked because at that point, everyone was saying 'That was a bad joke', 'lol, i got pranked', or 'i fucking knew it'. Oh, and your incessant 'I am upset because the mods should apologize instead of telling us to fuck off'. News flash, many of us (including myself) did apologize-- multiple times, even.

your ourburst was a dead giveaway, to say the least.

the only thing i could see you getting so upset over is if someone doesn't thumbnail an image.  :3

Exactly. I'm not prone to explode like I did. To be honest, I thought it looked too contrived. ^^;

And yeah, it killed me to have to see those huge images. I remember going to edit the posts saying 'are they serious', and then remembering I was banned and couldn't.  :derp:

[Dead Princess Sakana]

Exactly. I'm not prone to explode like I did. To be honest, I thought it looked too contrived. ^^;

Since the point of 'it was obvious' comes up so often, I guess the fact that this board is highly multi-national worked against the original idea.

I can't speak for others, but due to timezones I was fast asleep when this infamous thread that started the joke began, and I assume lots of other Europeans were as well.
Because of that, when I woke up the site was already down, and since my link doesn't go to the frontpage, I didn't see the redirection either.
Now at that point I was thinking of an update, since it had been announced a few times I think. Up to that, everything was alright, and for people for whom it went like that, all the chaos aferwards is obviously non-sensical.
The real thing then started when I went onto IRC and made the mistake of asking about the site being down. Because from that moment onward I only could get different second-hand opinions, mostly from people who believed it wasn't a joke, plus the added acting from some of the staff.

In short, not having been able to see all the stuff that was done to make the joke obvious at all, and consequently lacking any first-hand-information, might be part of the problem for some people.
So, lesson for the future: Keep the obvious signs up longer, so that everyone will see them 

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

News flash, many of us (including myself) did apologize-- multiple times, even.

Sorry -- I tend to be inept at conveying things in that kind of atmosphere, and I was directing it at the mods who were swearing at people instead. You were cool.

[Matsuri]

It's fine. I do think that if there was less yelling on both ends, many more apologies would be shared. Noise is a bitch.

However, that didn't happen. It is what it is, so it's best that we all just let it go. Lesson learned on both ends, eh?

In short, not having been able to see all the stuff that was done to make the joke obvious at all, and consequently lacking any first-hand-information, might be part of the problem for some people.
So, lesson for the future: Keep the obvious signs up longer, so that everyone will see them 

You've got a point.I think we probably would have dragged the ragequit piece out a bit longer, but things got a bit too chaotic, what with Kuma posting porn, and Pseudolus+everyone else posting that one really creepy pic, and others posting 5-figure pixel images.

I do have to say though, the fakebans were hilarious on my end, even my own. xD

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

Precisely!

Anyway ... I haven't had anything to say on the subject of the thread, so now it's my turn.

If I had to guess, TSO, I'd say you're emotionally sensitive, and you have a tendency to overreact. I base this on the fact that I'm exactly the same way, and I can see all the signs. This, of course, can make idiots act idiotic, but if there was anything that could make idiots stop acting idiotic, you can bet that someone would have figured it out by now and it'd be widely used.

But this does not make you a bad admin, for the sole reason that I've never seen you take admin action based on these overreactions. (I don't know which specific mod banned Mima, but frankly, if you're going to make a post whose sole purpose is to openly badmouth the owner of the site on which you are making this post, in a thread in which the owner is expressing extreme emotional stress and is seeking some kind of comfort, you deserve whatever the mods give you.)

I run a roleplay MUD. I am very lucky that it has become fairly popular. I am also very lucky that the other staff and many of the users are direct friends of mine, and the setup enables me to keep my outbursts mostly private, and when I seem like I'm about to do something in anger, I'm surrounded by people willing to talk me down. I'm also lucky that upgrading tends not to take much work. (And that the problem-people have been relatively few and far between. I suppose it helps that the staff personally have to approve every individual account ...)

But my point with that is, I understand. If you need a break, take a break. If you think the stress is too much, I can stand by that too. But you've been a good admin, even if people didn't always think you looked like it.

[Ghaleon]

Oh no, some people said mean things on the internet! Sound the Serious Business alarm! Let's all have seizures and write up giant 1000-word reams of text!

I really hate it when people say things like this. It's just so disrespectful IMO. Some people here are friends with each other, or thought they were. Not to mention alot of time is comitted to some of the projects here. While I wasn't upset at the event directly I was upset that some important people here may have left from the ordeal, like losing a friend.

Personally I think people are hipocrites when they automatically pull the "hurr hurr Internet is srs bizniz" card and think they are more justified by being upset with someone else outside the Internet that they spend 1/4 the time with. Automatically catagorizing everyone as a baby just makes you look like an ass IMO. TSO asked all a question, based on a scism during April 1st, people are just trying to discuss it. And the people with stronger opinions (e-mouse for example) don't need people saying they are twits for feeling the way they do without actually going into it on a personal level.

Personally I'm upset that some people feel the need to take it in pms (not saying it's your fault neccesarily) because I too care how everyone feels, even though the feeling probably isn't mutual.

[E-Nazrin]

Oh, and your incessant 'I am upset because the mods should apologize instead of telling us to fuck off'. News flash, many of us (including myself) did apologize-- multiple times, even.

I did not see that apology, since I was avoiding the forums out of despair at the time. It is, as far as I can see, no longer publicly visible. So I did not know this, and... well, -harshness omitted-

I really hate it when people say things like this. It's just so disrespectful IMO. Some people here are friends with each other, or thought they were. Not to mention alot of time is comitted to some of the projects here. While I wasn't upset at the event directly I was upset that some important people here may have left from the ordeal, like losing a friend.

Personally I think people are hipocrites when they automatically pull the "hurr hurr Internet is srs bizniz" card and think they are more justified by being upset with someone else outside the Internet that they spend 1/4 the time with. Automatically catagorizing everyone as a baby just makes you look like an ass IMO. TSO asked all a question, based on a scism during April 1st, people are just trying to discuss it. And the people with stronger opinions (e-mouse for example) don't need people saying they are twits for feeling the way they do without actually going into it on a personal level.

Personally I'm upset that some people feel the need to take it in pms (not saying it's your fault neccesarily) because I too care how everyone feels, even though the feeling probably isn't mutual.

Thank you.

I am mostly focusing on PMs and highly restricting myself here for fear of things picking up in a bad way, even if I think I'm capable of keeping my outbursts reasonable, both in reason and wording. Since odds are good I'm wrong, considering how it's an opinion about myself, well... I'm trying to hold back to make sure that this conversation remains civil. Or at least, improve the odds.

And yes, (perceived) lack of respect is a major issue in all of this.

[JT]

words

Nope, still think this is stupid. It could have happened on or off the internet, between friends or non-friends, on a boat or on a goat, I'd feel exactly the same about it. Nothing personal. I'm just joking around, not trying to disrespect or insult.

[E-Nazrin]

I'm just joking around, not trying to disrespect or insult.

Sometimes, the act of treating something sensitive as a joke is disrespectful and insulting in itself. I do not believe this is the time, nor the place, for such behavior.

If you are not interested in the matter, then you are free to leave it alone. But provoking emotions further will not help the issue. -Hostility omitted-

[Nobu]

Let's keep things civil and stay on topic, guys. The fact of the matter is, some people took this seriously and real emotions were affected by the whole incident, whether or not you get why.

[JT]

Let's keep things civil and stay on topic, guys. The fact of the matter is, some people took this seriously and real emotions were affected by the whole incident, whether or not you get why.

shrug

[Tengukami]

-harshness omitted-

-Hostility omitted-

Isn't this the same as saying "pointed out hostility"? Why even write that you omitted it in the first place?

Going on 3 weeks after the fact, I'm starting to get the feeling that dwelling on this is getting in the way of letting it go. But maybe not.

Just relax either way.

[E-Nazrin]

Isn't this the same as saying "pointed out hostility"? Why even write that you omitted it in the first place?

To show that I am still upset and that there is more that I would like to say, but realize probably wouldn't be wise to say, without necessarily seeking out an emotional response from it or request to explain. An expression of tone, so to speak. But you have a point in that I'm not sure what the best way to go about expressing that is.

Going on 3 weeks after the fact, I'm starting to get the feeling that dwelling on this is getting in the way of letting it go. But maybe not.

Just relax either way.

There are implications that remain that I would like to see addressed, or at least see if they were addressed.

[HakureiSM]

Well it seems TSO never got my PM, as I didn't get a reply.

[Kilgamayan]

Check your Outbox to make sure you sent it. If it's there, TSO got it.

[helvetica]

Well it seems TSO never got my PM, as I didn't get a reply.

I got all PMs, I'm not ignoring you.  I just don't know what to say =|

Please, to anyone who PMed me, I don't mean any offense by not responding.  I just am at a loss for words.  To be honest I'm just trying to just listen to everyone's comments, and keeping my big mouth shut and let others speak their mind.  I know I come off as argumentative a lot, but it's not because I want to tear you down.  I learn someone else's stance and reasonings best by explaining my point of view and challenging others to defend theirs.  But I know it comes off as offensive to some people so I'm just listening quietly this time around.

[HakureiSM]

Oh good, good.
I just had to know if you read it. If you did then great.