Touhou RPG Help?

[atoms2ashes]

Okay, erm, please have my apologies in advance for disturbing you all >_<

You see, I plan to create a Wonderland-themed Touhou RPG, replacing the original characters of Lewis Carrol's Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass. The RPG would be made using RPG Maker VX.

So far, here is the cast:

Alice - Alice (ironic)
Cheshire Cat - RIn Kaenbyou (Cheshire...Kasha?)
White Rabbit - Tewi
Mouse - Komachi (Not to be confused with Dormouse)
Dodo, Lory, Duck, Eaglet - Team 9
Caterpillar - Satori
Duchess - Remilia
Duchess' servant - Sakuya
Duchess' other servant - Meiling
Pig Baby - Yukkuri Reimu
Mad Hatter - Suwako(?)
March Hare - Reisen
Dormouse - Nazrin
Queen of Hearts - Kaguya (Although she's not the one who executes people)
The person who actually gives verdicts and executes people - Shikieiki
Mock Turtle - Genji
Gryphon - Okuu
Red Queen - Shinki
White Queen - Sariel
White Knight - Nitori
White King - Akyu
Red King - ZUN!!!11!!one!!
Knave of Hearts - Patchy
Humpty Dumpty - Koishi
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum - Parsee
Bill the Lizard - Momiji
Jabberwocky - Nue


So far I need ideas for some of the empty roles.
Also, here are the sprites made so far:


(I'm quite aware that they suck, yes.)

[Shagend]

Will the story be close to the original or will you smash it with a sledgehammer glue together 70-80% of the pieces with whipped cream and absinthe? Either way this concept might be at least entertaining. And how is the gameplay meant to work? Like any old 'Random-Encounter-RPG', (RERPG), or will it be more of an adventure-kind of game?


And since you asked for ideas I can give you some since I'm bored right now.

Nitori I think might be better as the 'White Knight' and have Genji as 'Mock Turtle' instead.

As the 'Red King' I think PC-98 Yuka might fit, if only because she wears "bedclothes",(or what you might call them). Though(sp?) Mugetsu or Gengetsu might fit as well just because of the dream aspect. ZUN must be the 'Red King'!

Keine can be the 'Mad Hatter' 'cause of her hat/lunchbox.

White Queen... I have actually no idea who to put as the 'White Queen'... Sariel or Lily white maybe since bot are white-ish?

'White King' can be played by Hieda no Akyu since he at one point, at least, writes in a book if I remember correctly... A rather weak argument but couldn't think of anything else.

[Kylesky]

Keine can be the 'Mad Hatter' 'cause of her hat/lunchbox.

*cough* there's a lot of other characters with weirder hats than Keine *cough* Suwako *cough*

Also, Keine isn't the least bit crazy :/

[atoms2ashes]

Not really close to the original, but inserting as many references as possible so people get the joke.

It would be more of an Adventure RPG, since thinking up enemies for random encounters take a while.

Suwako could pass as the Mad Hatter...because she IS eccentric in a way...Then again, KanakoEveryone is too.

Genji...Mock Turtle he is...And Nitori...Hm...White Knight. Perfect!

Sariel would be perfect as a White Queen! ...Even though I've seen Sarieru as more of a guy...Then again, Sariel might be a hermaphrodite.

Akyu would be good as a White King...and ZUN is absolutely PERFECT as the Red King! Instead of sleeping, the Red King drinks like an Oni in the morning.

Thank you for all the suggestions and ideas ^^ I highly appreciate it.

[Shagend]

ZUN is absolutely PERFECT as the Red King! Instead of sleeping, the Red King drinks like an Oni in the morning.

I can see it now, how Parsee & Parsee are trying to explain to Alice that she is just a drunken Delusion of Zun and if he ever sobers up she will go *Poof*

*cough* there's a lot of other characters with weirder hats than Keine *cough* Suwako *cough*

I'm in Despair! Me forgetting the Loli-MILF and her hat has left me in Despair!

[atoms2ashes]

I can see it now, how Parsee & Parsee are trying to explain to Alice that she is just a drunken Delusion of Zun and if he ever sobers up she will go *Poof*

She's jealous of Alice because she has a much more defined existence than her.

...Now then...On to the next problem...

In the book, Alice faces a scene where there is a tiny door. She drinks potion, she shrinks, door is locked, key is under the table. She finds more food. She eats it, she grows giant, she gets frustrated and cries, tears become ocean, mouse is met, Caucus race ensues.

...What shall happen with the scene with the door?

[warpshadow]

One small thing about this game is bothering me and that is where is Marisa in all of this? Just something about a Touhou game starring Alice without any Marisa strikes me as a bit odd.

As for the door scene make it a combat. I don't know how but in rpgs and Touhou almost everything is settled through combat.

[atoms2ashes]

Marisa will be with Alice on the White Team once the chess game is done. The chess game would take place once the Knave of Heart's trial is done.

Also, I'm not sure who Alice should battle in the door scene. I'm imagining Patchouli but...Gah...Patchy...Not very combat-worthy.

[warpshadow]

Marisa will be with Alice on the White Team once the chess game is done. The chess game would take place once the Knave of Heart's trial is done.

Also, I'm not sure who Alice should battle in the door scene. I'm imagining Patchouli but...Gah...Patchy...Not very combat-worthy.

OUch that really hurts to have you say that after she just defeated me less than an hour ago playing EoSD.

[atoms2ashes]

Not to worry. Always remember that I suck more than anyone in this forum. Yamame keeps murdering me on Normal Mode. Kogasa keeps surprising me with her Normal-Mode bullets on Easy Mode.

[Shagend]

Also, I'm not sure who Alice should battle in the door scene. I'm imagining Patchouli but...Gah...Patchy...Not very combat-worthy.

A battle-scene might be a good start and I think it could be funny if it went somewhat like this:
In order to shrink Alice has to drink some melon-juice and Suika doesn't like that so a fight break out. (...Sounds somewhat erotic, ne?)
Reason: Suika's ability to shrink and grow. And Patchouli might be better somewhere else.

(And when she drinks the melon-juice a screen pops up with the  message: 'It's a sad thing that your adventures have ended here!' to which Alice argues that she can't die already 'cause she's Alice! since she's the main character which leaves Death with just an 'Near-Alice' experience)

...Hopefully it doesn't look like I'm trying to tell you what to do.

[atoms2ashes]

A battle-scene might be a good start and I think it could be funny if it went somewhat like this:
In order to shrink Alice has to drink some melon-juice and Suika doesn't like that so a fight break out. (...Sounds somewhat erotic, ne?)
Reason: Suika's ability to shrink and grow. And Patchouli might be better somewhere else.

(And when she drinks the melon-juice a screen pops up with the  message: 'It's a sad thing that your adventures have ended here!' to which Alice argues that she can't die already 'cause she's Alice! since she's the main character which leaves Death with just an 'Near-Alice' experience)

...Hopefully it doesn't look like I'm trying to tell you what to do.

I'm actually trying to mix and match some ideas. You do not know how much I appreciate all these wonderful ideas~

How about...instead of Melon juice, Suika's Sake instead?
In order to shrink and grow, one needs to drink Suika's Sake. But Suika doesn't want to share. Battle ensues.

Alice wins. Suika is forced to share some sake. Alice drinks, shrinks, and checks the door only to realize she needs a key.
She finds a key...under Suika's square. She then grows. Too much.

Out of frustration and Suika's mocking, she cries. Ocean of Tears ensues.

...How's that? Or...Should I change a certain part?

[Shagend]

A beginning that is close to the original but still a little different seems often the best way to go according to many.
But instead of Alice crying I can see Suika cry when Alice forcefully takes her gourd in order to grow smaller again, (I can't remeber right now but did she grow 'cause she ate some bread?), which might work better if you are portraying a more "harder" Alice but if she is more "softer" your idea is better.

Which kind of personality the main character, (in this case Alice), have is actually quite important for the flow of a story so before you go any further you might want to figure out which kind of personality she have if you haven't already. Not that you have do it in advance since it can work if you define it on the fly, but in almost all cases a base personality is already thought of. At least that is my experience on this.

Next thing for you is to tackle is the race-scen isn't it?

[atoms2ashes]

Hm...Thanks for the idea, I could imagine Suika crying out of drunkenness...But if she were to grow bigger while alice is also gigantic...

Cirno: "Oh my goddess! It's Daidarabocchi AND Hisoutensoku!"

...Given that they can both fit in the same room. The room is is wide and has a veeeeeerry high ceiling, so...

Since the Caucus race would require a certain event order/script to work...And I have zero (I repeat...ZERO) knowledge about how to script or how to make good events.
So I thought I would make it a Caucus Match instead. But I'd wonder where I would get the enemy portraits for fights.

In the end, Alice would be giving candy to everyone. Like what she did in several pictures in a certain danbooru pool.
After that, all she is left with are the remains of a broken doll. A fairy fixes it for her. Dunno which one.

And afterwards, Shanghai joins her party.

[Shagend]

The internet is for porn!... and for finding character portraits. And there is also the resident drawfags you could... "persuade".

As for the fairy...maybe 'La Fata dai Capelli Turchini', (if you understand my reasoning *nudge**nudge**wink**wink*)

And a "Caucus Danmaku" might be a fitting fit fittingly fit for this fitting situation that are so fitting.

[atoms2ashes]

I'm not sure if Cirno is smart enough to fix anything than a broken wing :/

But meh, I love you anyways for these ideas.

[Shagend]

Her hair is more blue than turquoise, no?

And it would be, (IMO), fun to see Shanghai with a growing nose.

[atoms2ashes]

I've always seen Chirny's hair as blue. I've always seen Miku's hair as turquoise.

And oh my god, you gave me an idea...Too bad it'll have to wait until the chess game though...

[IBakaChan]

AJKHSDAGSDSAJK  :V *Happy tears*

You are my hero.
Is there anything at all I can help with, I am at your service!

[atoms2ashes]

Well...There is ONE thing...

In the book, Alice sees a garden, something that she is interested in going to. But she can't because of her large size. (Why did that sound perverted just now?)

In the game, Alice Margatroid sees a small gate. But I'm not sure what would drive her to be anxious to shrink down just to enter the gate.

What would she be interested in beyond the door...or gate...or whatever?

[IBakaChan]

Well...There is ONE thing...

In the book, Alice sees a garden, something that she is interested in going to. But she can't because of her large size. (Why did that sound perverted just now?)

In the game, Alice Margatroid sees a small gate. But I'm not sure what would drive her to be anxious to shrink down just to enter the gate.

What would she be interested in beyond the door...or gate...or whatever?

Nitori is experimenting with her new optical camouflage, which involves looking like someone else, and tries transforming into Marisa, and Alice sees and like "What the hell is she doing there!?"
Problem solved~(?)

[atoms2ashes]

...!!! Perfect! Thanks much!

Now I can continue with cutscenes!

Onwards to Alice vs. Suika.