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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2009, 10:21:48 PM »
All touhou characters are Japanese, thus all of their respective element(s) = Moon.


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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2009, 10:26:18 PM »
but then, the tale of the Bamboo Cutter wouldn't make sense (as it is now), nor the story of humans claiming success on lunar exploration (according to the lunarians). Thus, they must belong to Earth..
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Translations.
How much time do you guys think it will take for HM to be translated? Besides everyone's story modes and the whole menus, there's also the fact that the way HM's programmed is different from all other games. I bet it'll take two months.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2009, 10:59:24 PM »
I think these classifications are being based entirely on the character's abilities.

Please fix.
I conclude to let it base on ability instead of personality because it would conflict with facts like a good person able to use power of darkness. You have any suggestion to base it something else?

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All touhou characters are Japanese, thus all of their respective element(s) = Moon.
What are you hinting about Japanese? By any chance you mean all human, ghost, magician, shine maiden, youkai, and TENSHI who happens to be japanese are Moon element just because they are Japanese? Are you labeling element base on RACE?
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2009, 11:19:16 PM »
My joke was not in taste :(

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2009, 11:38:02 PM »
My joke was not in taste :(
More like you fail to tell it correctly.

Next time try something like,

All touhou characters are Fire, because they are HOT!

Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2009, 12:56:57 AM »
Your joke was better in taste, but really lame :(

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2009, 01:16:06 AM »
Yea, I notice. Can't be helped, somehow I do really well when I chat in MSN though.

Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2009, 01:17:41 AM »
My joke was not in taste :(
*Mine* wasn't, though I knew what you meant :D
neku: now for something important.
Translations.
How much time do you guys think it will take for HM to be translated? Besides everyone's story modes and the whole menus, there's also the fact that the way HM's programmed is different from all other games. I bet it'll take two months.

lusvik: I don't mind about playing HM in japanese. The language of punching other people is international.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2009, 01:46:40 AM »
Japanese = Moonspeak

Japan = Moon

Touhou = Moon

is what I got.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2009, 01:48:21 AM »
...it would had been a good joke...

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2009, 04:32:34 AM »
but then, the tale of the Bamboo Cutter wouldn't make sense (as it is now), nor the story of humans claiming success on lunar exploration (according to the lunarians). Thus, they must belong to Earth..

people from the first lunar exploration were not moon people so they're element is not moon.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2009, 04:41:36 AM »
I wholly refuse to classify a char moon element just because they live on the moon. >:(

Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2009, 11:15:24 AM »
There are characters who do not have elements. How do you give an element to Shinki, who CREATED ALL THE ELEMENTS IN MAKAI? How do you give an element to Yukari, who CREATED ALL OF GENSOKYO? Is there an overall element for Makai or Gensokyo? What about Yuyuko and Hakugyokurou? What about Shikieiki? Eirin?

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2009, 01:14:20 PM »
There are characters who do not have elements.
That's up for debate, those who see it scientifically would put light and dark for yukari due to the wavelength time light speed manipulation stuff while those who go visually will think all 7 rainbow color mix together will be white, which represent nothing would suggest all element. Or going literary with Wuxing system that Earth, sun, moon govern all element so that could be her element.

These are Wuxing sign so there are element that represent medicine, healing for Eirin if we take it literally.


Anyway, Yukari didn't create all of GENSOKYO, she has a big role in it though.
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2009, 08:06:13 PM »
I'm inclining to say Yuyuko is Earth element.

She's the princess of the dead, and earth and plants have a relation to dead things. Grown on feeding of dead beings, feed living things, consume the once living things, etc.
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2009, 11:34:03 PM »
She's the princess of the dead, and earth and plants have a relation to dead things. Grown on feeding of dead beings, feed living things, consume the once living things, etc.
If this is base on the science of decompose and plants growth, then first of all, Yuyuko have nothing to do with decompose and plant growth, second, plant don't specifically feed on dead things, they also need other kinds of minerals and not necessary need dead decomposed animal to get it.

You are linking her to unrelated things, like expanding on your concept, she's also water and sun since plant FEED on sunlight and water too, along with the mineral.

Edit: Something bugging me about this, either I can't explain it correctly or I missed your point badly.
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2009, 02:01:35 AM »
I was actually going for the transition of states between life and death
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2009, 02:38:41 AM »
O..k these are some deep stuff here, so it will take a few posts or more for me to understand it.

Life -> Death -> X

At point x, you are saying providing death itself to continuing life. This is handle by earth while the process is consider Sun(light).

Now, how is Yuyuko fit into earth part or the process part?

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2009, 03:07:34 AM »
ok, to clarify even further, it has nothing to do with photosynthesis either.

As I said, it has to do with the transition of states between life and death. Not in the Christian sense of the world, but the one used for Touhou
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2009, 03:34:51 AM »
Ah ok, but Yuyuko power is Transit Life --> Death, it doesn't cover the Death ---> earth/wood part which is my question.

In other word, she didn't handle the transition from death to life, which is the earth part.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2009, 04:18:55 AM »
ok, nevermind man.

No idea how you got the idea of Death to plants from my comment, though

Earth would be constancy and foundation, the constant pass from one state to the next
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2009, 04:29:16 AM »
...and please explain how that is linked to Yuyuko being Earth elemental.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2009, 05:02:30 AM »
I think I figured out why there are so many problems here

You say
Earth: The changing point of the matter.
Earth generally contains all elements including Fire, Water, Wood and Metal. (Mid/balance point of all five element)

I took Earth from Touhou's perspective while you took another one.

Life and Death is a constant, the transition is constant. Undead, poltergeist, etc are paranormal happenings, outside of the cycle.

EDIT: Also, she would be Eart element furthermore by the fact her body is the foundation of the seal on the Saigyou Ayakashi
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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2009, 02:18:53 PM »
...That's convincingly enough. Added to the list.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2009, 07:10:50 PM »
Chen = earth; stage 3 of Guwange is supposed to relate to the earth element.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2009, 07:20:41 PM »
Chen = earth; stage 3 of Guwange is supposed to relate to the earth element.
Basing element on where they appear? If Cirno appear in a volcano, should I put her as fire?

Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2009, 12:46:04 AM »
Cirno would never be in a volcano, hypothetical or not.

Unless you want to drink her.




Put Cirno in a volcano, let her element be fire for 5 seconds.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2009, 01:50:07 AM »
Right, let's everyone live on the moon be moon element then. It's for the best!

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2009, 12:05:27 PM »
Sakuya's elements are metal+darkness. Her abilities to manipulate sharp metal objects describe her metal element. Her abilities to manipulate time explain there is darkness involved beside metal.

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Re: Touhou Characters' Element Debate
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2009, 02:03:59 PM »
Time = darkness?