Topic: [Music] A Sacred Lot ~ What if ZUN had access to PMD98 from the very beginning?  (Read 217 times)

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Silent Sinner in Scarlet

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ZUN used MDRV98 for the music on his very first game. But what if he had access to KAJA's PMD98 from the very beginning? Or at least, what if he used PMD98's iconic SSG drums on HRtP while preserving the old FM soundfont?

This is my own what-if scenario of such hypothesis above, using A Sacred Lot as an example:

YM2608/OPNA remaster: https://youtu.be/LTh7_UYYppw (sounds identical to the original, save for the added SSG drums)
YM2203/OPN version: https://youtu.be/bX1Gk-NKg2Q
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ZUN used MDRV98 for the music on his very first game. But what if he had access to KAJA's PMD98 from the very beginning? Or at least, what if he used PMD98's iconic SSG drums on HRtP while preserving the old FM soundfont?

This is my own what-if scenario of such hypothesis above, using A Sacred Lot as an example:

https://youtu.be/LTh7_UYYppw
Thanks  :) ! Very Interesting piece of HRtP remastered music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5QfOOtp31I in that way  :o !
A question : do you mean that what-if in the way that Zun could had done it at that time or that time was impossible ? It seems the second one but I want to make sure.
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Silent Sinner in Scarlet

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Thanks  :) ! Very Interesting piece of HRtP remastered music in that way  :o !
A question : do you mean that what-if in the way that Zun could had done it at that time or that time was impossible ? It seems the second one but I want to make sure.
The first one: PMD98 existed long before ZUN made his very first game. The earliest I could attest of PMD being ever used to drive a DOS/98 game's music was 1991, when a company named SILENCE used PMD.COM version 3.2 (dated 1991/04/17, 8003 bytes, YM2203/​OPN) for a game titled 銀聖戦神ガイナロック (Gin Seisen-Shin Gainarokku, translates to something like "Silver Holy War God Gainarok"), according to the hoot archive. The earliest YM2608/​OPNA+ADPCM version I could attest from hoot was a modified variant of PMD.COM version 3.7 (1991/10/08, 11724 bytes) found on ROOM2's SPEAKBOARD MUSIC SHOW (apparently a demo of what the Speakboard could do at the time); subsequent Speakboard versions were renamed to PMDB2.COM since at least 1993, when version 4.0b (1993/02/13, 12866 bytes) was used on Four·Nine's ねこまんまEX. The first version I could find designed specifically for the PC-9801-86 soundcard (unlike Speakboard, this one replaced the OPNA's on-chip ADPCM channel with an off-chip 86PCM module) was PMD86.COM 4.6i (1994/03/15, 21581 bytes), used on Leaf's DR²ナイト雀鬼 (DR² Night Jumper).

So, ZUN had the option to use PMD98 for his music from the very start (version 4.8j, dated 1996/05/10, was readily available by the time he was probably writing 東方靈遺伝); I don't know why he chose instead the older MDRV98.

I will later upload a text file with a history of all PMD versions attested either via the hoot archive or from KAJA's website.

Silent Sinner in Scarlet

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This is a summary of all PC-9801 versions of KAJA's Professional Music Driver (PMD) and associated helper drivers, along with hoot-archived games that made use of such versions (as of October 2009, when I had made this list; latest version of hoot archive might have added other PMD-based games):

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PMDB.COM by KAJA: (uPD8253C/BEEP)
4.0beep 1993/01/28  2947 bytes   ねこまんまEX(Four・Nine)
                    3542 bytes   FRONTIER UNIVERSE(BPS)

PMD.COM by KAJA: (YM2203/OPN)
3.?     1991/??/??  9880 bytes   GODS 神となる男の伝説(PCM Complete)
3.2     1991/04/17  8003 bytes   銀聖戦神ガイナロック(SILENCE)
3.7     1991/10/08 10274 bytes   銀聖戦神ガイナロック2(SILENCE)
3.8     1991/11/19 10150 bytes   マーシャルエイジ(天津堂)
3.8d    1991/12/30 10218 bytes   機甲装神ヴァルカイザー(SILENCE)
3.8f**  1992/01/14 10237 bytes   ふしぎの海のナディア(GAINAX)[DEMO Ver.]
3.9f    1992/06/18 10647 bytes   スカーミッシュ(AIL)
                                 やんやんのクイズいっちょまえ(天津堂)
3.9g    1992/08/15 10844 bytes   マハ・バラタ(AIL)
                                 D'Ark(姫屋Soft)
                   10846 bytes   おしおきキライ! 2(HONWAKA Soft)‡
4.0     1993/01/12 11108 bytes   あにまーじゃんV3(Sogna)
4.0b    1993/02/13 11371 bytes   FRONTIER UNIVERSE(BPS)
                                 ねこまんまEX(Four・Nine)
                                 やんやんの激闘同窓会(天津堂)[speculated]
                   11949 bytes   WANPARAウォーズ(Mink)
4.0d    1993/03/17 11421 bytes   S.A. 1~2(A_INN)‡
4.3b**  1993/06/14 15238 bytes   D'Ark外伝(姫屋Soft)
4.3e**  1993/06/29 16148 bytes   Rusty(C-Lab)
4.4c    1993/07/15 15745 bytes   超・爆(APPLE PIE)
4.5b    1993/07/30 15750 bytes   麻雀幻想曲(Active)[speculated]
                                 GAOGAO! 1st(Four・Nine)
                                 ナイトシフター(Four・Nine)
                                 スーパーバトルスキンパニック(GAINAX)
4.5c    1993/08/07 15750 bytes   スレイヤーズ(BANPRESTO)[slow on hoot]
                                 私立すちゃらか女学院(BMP)‡[slow on hoot]
                                 Mirage2(DISCOVERY)
                                 Cloth Out(NAMPURROW)‡
                   17144 bytes   りきゅ~る!!(Atelier OZ)‡
                                 Agalta 2(FENRIR)‡
                   19156 bytes   Sonic Linker(May-Be Soft)
4.5d    1993/09/09 15772 bytes   聖少女戦隊レイカーズ(APPLE PIE)
                                 禁忌 Taboo(Succubus)
        1993/10/03 15776 bytes   突撃麻酔少女アリス(SHINING FIELD)‡
4.6a    1993/10/23 15990 bytes   PRINCESS MAKER 2(GAINAX)[speculated]
                                 DR^2ナイト雀鬼(Leaf)
4.6c    1993/12/01 16080 bytes   Possessioner(QUEEN SOFT)
                                 ギャンブラー Queen's Cup(QUEEN SOFT)
4.6d    1993/12/29 16083 bytes   麻雀幻想曲II(Active)[speculated]
                                 スレイヤーズ(BANPRESTO)[tempo fix]
                                 私立すちゃらか女学院(BMP)‡[tempo fix]
                                 H+(Desire)
                                 魔導学院R,etc.(FORESIGHT)
                                 GAOGAO! 2nd~3rd(Four・Nine)
                                 Pentium 2(NAMPURROW)‡[speculated]
                                 精霊仙記(NAMPURROW)‡
4.6e    1994/01/05 16092 bytes   ヴァージン・ドリーム(GAME Technopolis)
4.6h    1994/03/10 16237 bytes   L-est ~エレスト~(MiamiSoft)
                                 Marble Cooking(NEGATIVE)
                                 カース(QUEEN SOFT)
                                 麻雀河底撈魚I~II(QUEEN SOFT)
4.6i    1994/03/15 16386 bytes   聖少女戦隊レイカーズ2~3(APPLE PIE)
                                 超時空要塞マクロスII~III(Family Soft)
                                 装甲騎兵ボトムズ(Family Soft)
                                 CRISIS OF ATRANTIA(JHV)
4.7a    1994/05/09 17760 bytes   迷宮学園祭 旧校舎の謎(Taki/Wish Bone)
**      1994/06/01 22501 bytes   突撃みっくす(C-Lab)
4.7b    1994/06/29 19723 bytes   エリア88~エトランジェ1995~(FamilySoft)
                                 科学忍者隊ガッチャマン(Family Soft)
                                 機動戦士ガンダム[1995](Family Soft)
4.7f    1994/07/07 19698 bytes   DESIRE ~背徳の螺旋~(C's Ware)
                                 ラブィーニ(C's Ware)
                                 クラッシャージョウ(Family Soft)
                                 琴緋ヶ丘物語(MiamiSoft)
                                 キラキラ戦士 リスキージュエル(NATSUME)
                                 メル・メル Melty Marchen(QUEEN SOFT)
                                 小鉄の大冒険(T2)
4.7g    1994/07/17 19699 bytes   デュアルソウル(AIL)
                                 淫魔制服狩り(AIL)
                                 Enemy of Humans(BMP)‡
                                 B2Mu - Born to Meet You(Crystal Soft)‡
                                 GLO・RI・A ~禁断の血族~(C's Ware)
                                 XENON ~夢幻の肢体~(C's Ware)
                                 超次元伝説RALL III ~覚醒編~(FairyDust)
                                 七英雄物語I~II(姫屋Soft)
                                 Bacta2(姫屋Soft)[speculated]
                                 De・Fana(姫屋Soft)
                                 YES! HG(姫屋Soft)
                                 ZENITH(姫屋Soft)
                                 ミスティフラッシュ(Peppermint Kids)
                                 魔法のプリンセス ミンキーモモ(Taki Corp)
                                 魔法の天使クリィミーマミ(Taki/Wish Bone)
                                 POWER SLAVE(海月製作所)
4.8a**  1994/09/12 23209 bytes   鉄甲旗艦アトラゴン(MOVIC)
**      1994/12/13 22959 bytes   わくわく麻雀パニック! 1~2(Four・Nine)
        1994/12/28 21243 bytes   Agalta 3(FENRIR)‡
                   23045 bytes   絶対麻雀I~II EG(HELL++)‡
                                 Rouran Software Music Disk(Atelier OZ)‡‡
4.8b    1995/01/03 23044 bytes   エイミーと呼ばないでっ(C's Ware/姫屋)
                                 5時間目のヴィーナス(FairyDust)
**      1995/04/01 23060 bytes   夢幻夜想曲(ApRicoT/Four・Nine)
                                 GAOGAO! OPTIONAL DISK(Four・Nine)
4.8c    1995/04/12 23061 bytes   麻雀幻想曲III(Active)
                                 シャレード(APPLE PIE)
                                 DENGEKI DIVISION(APPLE PIE)
                                 えれめんたる王(APPLE PIE)
                                 麗獣 Twin Road(APPLE PIE)
                                 V.R.デート 五月倶楽部(Desire)
                                 赤い水晶の瞳(FairyDust)
                                 機動戦士ガンダム0083(Family Soft)
                                 Dies・Irae(Family Soft)
                                 リリス(Four・Nine)
                                 Filsnown -光と刻-(Leaf)
                                 痕 -きずあと-(Leaf)
                                 雫 -しずく-(Leaf)
                                 魔法少女ファンシーCOCO(POW)
                                 Warlpurgis Night 3(LPUR/PROPER)‡
                                 Legam(U-Office)
                                 Rookies(海月製作所)
4.8d-   1995/06/23 23063 bytes   舞夢 -MIME-(Studio Twin'kle)
4.8d    1995/08/16 23058 bytes   脅迫(AIL)
                                 魔女狩りの夜に(AIL)
                                 男(ヤツ)の名はDIAMOND(Pis-TonSOFT)
4.8e-   1995/10/15 20249 bytes   夢の精(13cm)
                                 SEX2(Aypio)
                                 ソーサルキングダム(Aypio)
                                 EVE burst error(C's Ware)
                                 メモリーズ ~白い夜空に舞う天使~(Petit)
4.8h    1996/01/21 23093 bytes   えんじぇる☆ないと(Four・Nine)
                                 GAOGAO! 4th(Four・Nine)
                                 GROUNSEED(Studio Twin'kle)
4.8i    1996/04/05 20296 bytes   瑠璃色の雪(AIL)
4.8j    1996/05/10 23127 bytes   メモリーズリフレイン(ぷち/Petit)
                                 ビーストブリーダーズ(ぷち/Petit)
                                 とらぶるあうとさいだーず(ぷち/Petit)
        1996/08/03 23116 bytes   Inocent Tour(KSS)
                                 まぺっとぼっくす(Muppet Box)※
4.8l    1996/12/28 20379 bytes   亜美 ~風立ちぬ~(FairyDust/Family Soft)
                                 うきうきアイランド(FairyDust)
                                 東方封魔録,etc.(ZUN/Amusement Makers)‡
4.8o    1997/06/19 20457 bytes   LOVE ESCALATOR(海月製作所)
4.8p††  1998/03/15 20473 bytes   [unknown usage in any game]

PDR.COM by NaoNeko/KAJA: (SSGPCM)
2.4     1993/??/??  3947 bytes   Rusty(C-Lab)
2.8     1993/??/??  4178 bytes   突撃みっくす(C-Lab)
2.9     1994/07/08  4203 bytes   Virgin Angel(Crystal Soft)‡
(4.8j)  1996/08/03  4221 bytes   アドヴァンストV.G.II(戯画)
                                 まぺっとぼっくす(Muppet Box)※

PPSDRV.COM by KAJA: (PPS/SSGPCM for PMD 4.2~)
0.1     1993/05/12  1895 bytes   Rusty(C-Lab)
0.3     1994/05/28  2015 bytes   突撃みっくす(C-Lab)
(4.7a)  1994/06/08  2127 bytes   Virgin Angel(Crystal Soft)‡
                                 アドヴァンストV.G.II(戯画)
                                 まぺっとぼっくす(Muppet Box)※

PMD.COM by KAJA: (YM2608/OPNA+ADPCM)
3.7     1991/10/08 11724 bytes   SPEAKBOARD MUSIC SHOW (ROOM2)※
PMDB2.COM by KAJA: (YM2608/OPNA+ADPCM)
4.0b    1993/02/13 12866 bytes   ねこまんまEX(Four・Nine)
                                 やんやんの激闘同窓会(天津堂)[speculated]
4.3     1993/06/09 19157 bytes   Mirage2(DISCOVERY)
4.3e**  1993/06/29 20208 bytes   Rusty(C-Lab)
4.5b    1993/07/30 19893 bytes   麻雀幻想曲(Active)[speculated]
                                 GAOGAO! 1st(Four・Nine)
                                 ナイトシフター(Four・Nine)
**      1993/08/04 19225 bytes   スーパーバトルスキンパニック9821(GAINAX)
4.5c    1993/08/07 19893 bytes   スレイヤーズ(BANPRESTO)[slow on hoot]
                                 私立すちゃらか女学院(BMP)‡[slow on hoot]
                                 Cloth Out(NAMPURROW)‡
                                 禁忌 Taboo(Succubus)[speculated]
                   23299 bytes   Sonic Linker(May-Be Soft)
4.6d    1993/12/29 20774 bytes   麻雀幻想曲II(Active)[speculated]
                                 スレイヤーズ(BANPRESTO)[tempo fix]
                                 私立すちゃらか女学院(BMP)‡[tempo fix]
                                 H+(Desire)
                                 GAOGAO! 2nd~3rd(Four・Nine)
                                 Pentium 2(NAMPURROW)‡[speculated]
                                 精霊仙記(NAMPURROW)‡
4.6i    1994/03/15 21087 bytes   CRISIS OF ATRANTIA(JHV)
4.7a**  1994/06/01 27670 bytes   突撃みっくす(C-Lab)
4.7g    1994/07/17 24903 bytes   デュアルソウル(AIL)
                                 Enemy of Humans(BMP)‡
                                 B2Mu - Born to Meet You(Crystal Soft)‡
                                 Virgin Angel(Crystal Soft)‡
4.8a**  1994/12/13 28169 bytes   わくわく麻雀パニック!(Four・Nine)
4.8b**  1995/04/01 28300 bytes   夢幻夜想曲(ApRicoT/Four・Nine)
                                 GAOGAO! OPTIONAL DISK(Four・Nine)
4.8c    1995/04/12 28301 bytes   V.R.デート 五月倶楽部(Desire)
                                 Agalta 3(FENRIR)‡[speculated]
                                 リリス(Four・Nine)
                                 わくわく麻雀パニック! 2(Four・Nine)
                                 Filsnown -光と刻-(Leaf)
                                 雫 -しずく-(Leaf)
                                 Legam(U-Office)
4.8d    1995/08/16 28298 bytes   男(ヤツ)の名はDIAMOND(Pis-TonSOFT)
4.8e-   1995/10/15 25487 bytes   夢の精(13cm)
                                 SEX2(Aypio)
                                 ソーサルキングダム(Aypio)
4.8h    1996/01/21 28338 bytes   えんじぇる☆ないと(Four・Nine)
                                 GAOGAO! 4th(Four・Nine)
                                 GROUNSEED(Studio Twin'kle)
4.8j    1996/05/10 28380 bytes   ビーストブリーダーズ(ぷち/Petit)
4.8l    1996/12/28 25642 bytes   東方封魔録,東方夢時空(Amusement Makers)‡
4.8o    1997/06/19 25730 bytes   LOVE ESCALATOR(海月製作所)
                                 東方幻想郷,東方怪綺談(Amusement Makers)‡
4.8p††  1998/03/15 25744 bytes   [unknown usage in any game]

PCMSET.EXE by KAJA: (ADPCM for PMD 3.4~4.3)
3.4     1991/05/16  1377 bytes   ねこまんまEX(Four・Nine)
PLOAD.EXE by PasoRin/T.Hayashi: (ADPCM for PMD 3.4~4.3)†
0.13a   1991/??/??  9766 bytes   SPEAKBOARD MUSIC SHOW (ROOM2)※
PMDPCM.EXE by KAJA: (PPC/ADPCM for PMD 4.4~)
4.4     1993/07/11  4992 bytes   麻雀幻想曲(Active)[speculated]
                                 私立すちゃらか女学院(BMP)‡
                                 Virgin Angel(Crystal Soft)‡
                                 GAOGAO! 1st(Four・Nine)
                                 GAOGAO! 3rd(Four・Nine)[speculated]
                                 ナイトシフター(Four・Nine)[speculated]
(4.8k)  1996/10/12  5792 bytes   ???

PMD86.COM by KAJA: (YM2608/OPNA+86PCM)
4.6i    1994/03/15 21581 bytes   DR^2ナイト雀鬼(Leaf)
4.7g    1994/07/17 23245 bytes   Bacta2(姫屋Soft)[speculated]
                                 De・Fana(姫屋Soft)
                   23249 bytes   XENON ~夢幻の肢体~(C's Ware)
                                 ZENITH(姫屋Soft)
4.8c    1995/04/12 31530 bytes   エイミーと呼ばないでっ(C's Ware/姫屋)
4.8j    1996/08/03 31510 bytes   とらぶるあうとさいだーず(ぷち/Petit)
4.8l    1996/12/28 28783 bytes   東方封魔録,東方夢時空(Amusement Makers)‡
4.8o    1997/06/19 28871 bytes   東方幻想郷,東方怪綺談(Amusement Makers)‡
4.8p††  1998/03/15 28885 bytes   アドヴァンストV.G.II(戯画)[apparently]

PMD86V.COM by KAJA: (YM2608/OPNA+86PCM+VSyncSTP)
4.8h    1996/01/26 31529 bytes   GROUNSEED(Studio Twin'kle)

EMMDRV.COM by ???: (EMM)
0.10    199?/??/??  4899 bytes   EVE burst error(C's Ware)
                                 アドヴァンストV.G.II(戯画)

P86DRV.COM by KAJA: (86PCM)
1.1b    1996/06/26  3123 bytes   GROUNSEED(Studio Twin'kle)
1.1c    1996/09/11  3137 bytes   とらぶるあうとさいだーず(ぷち/Petit)
                                 アドヴァンストV.G.II(戯画)

PMDPCM86.COM by KAJA: (P86/86PCM for PMD 4.8g~)
4.8g    1996/01/21  5337 bytes   とらぶるあうとさいだーず(ぷち/Petit)
(4.8k)  1996/10/10  5385 bytes   アドヴァンストV.G.II(戯画)

PPZ8.COM by Ukky: (PPZ8)
1.06    1995/05/10 20069 bytes   ???
1.07    1996/??/?? 22846 bytes   EVE burst error(C's Ware)
1.08    199?/??/?? ????? bytes   ???

PMDPPZ.COM by KAJA: (YM2608/OPNA+PPZ8; YMF288/OPN3L+WSSPCM)
4.8l    1996/12/28 28315 bytes   EVE burst error(C's Ware)[bug fix?]
                                 東方夢時空(ZUN Soft/Amusement Makers)‡
4.8o    1997/06/19 28587 bytes   東方幻想郷,東方怪綺談(Amusement Makers)‡
4.8p††  1998/03/15 28603 bytes   [unknown usage in any game]

PMDPPZE.COM by KAJA: (YM2608/OPNA+ADPCM(PPZ8E))
4.8o    1997/06/19 26369 bytes   ???
4.8p††  1998/03/15 26385 bytes   [unknown usage in any game]

*  not compatible with FMPMD2000.
** special version for specified game: ver. x.xx(____版).
†  3rd-party modification of PCMSET.EXE.
†† test or beta version, probably never officially released to games.
‡  同人ソフト(doujin software).
‡‡ 同人音楽(doujin music compilation).
※ music arrangement or demonstration.
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