Author Topic: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]  (Read 69114 times)

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #390 on: December 24, 2018, 09:49:21 PM »
Day 1 was really uninteresting as well as me being busy and tired so I didn't read too much out of the 3 main wagons

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #391 on: December 24, 2018, 10:17:40 PM »
like tell it to us straight med. doc raikaria do you think px should be lynched or not?

PX is the second most likely to be sinful in my eyes currently.

You slid down my list significantly upon my re-read based upon the testaments of the deceased SB. Dormio rose.

Simply, I would support a PX lynch on the basis of his lack of contribution, but I prioritize the player who I think has some questionable actions/interactions.


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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #392 on: December 24, 2018, 10:22:04 PM »
I would like to announce my intent to go to give my prayers and then rest for the night.

I bid you all a pleasent festivities.

I shall keep my vote upon Dormio since that is where I believe sin is most likely to be found. There appears to be enough people [And the wagon is already majority on PX] that a PX condemnation would occur regardless of me switching, so I shall remain on Dormio in the event the congregation changes it's mind.


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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #393 on: December 24, 2018, 10:29:20 PM »
akee

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honestly my head imploded trying to figure out if px's claim is fake or not because his n1 target doesn't make sense to me as either scum or town, which means it's certifiably 100% derp

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #394 on: December 24, 2018, 10:43:24 PM »
akee

##Unvote
##Vote PX


honestly my head imploded trying to figure out if px's claim is fake or not because his n1 target doesn't make sense to me as either scum or town, which means it's certifiably 100% derp
youre the derp here, if hes scum then hes not a doctor and he made up the target

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #395 on: December 24, 2018, 10:46:12 PM »
kiss-shot acerola-orion heart-under-blade

yeah but why would any logical scum make up raikaria as an n1 target in d2 when he's voting raikaria? :v is what i meant

obviously there are various derpier explanations

Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #396 on: December 24, 2018, 10:53:58 PM »
acerola pt. 2

i guess technically he DID state in d1 that he had "no real reason to hang Raikaria"

actually i can kind of see this coming together from a scum point of view

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #397 on: December 24, 2018, 11:13:25 PM »
it's more like, he can't say that he doctored sb (hey!! medical terminology) because obviously that wouldn't have worked out, and who else is there?

i guess there's you

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #398 on: December 24, 2018, 11:17:22 PM »
elderberry

lol dw, i meant that i need consolation in the sense that mafia sux

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #399 on: December 24, 2018, 11:35:12 PM »
So, where do we even begin with this post. Let's try the beginning.
During the relatively early portions of the first Day Phase, Raikaria's votes and reasoning [72] are uninspiring.

Moving onto what I would consider to be Raikaria's first real vote [73a], it's a vote on PX for being unhelpful. Boring. However, the earlier statement in this post regarding ActionDan is far more interesting.
Early into the first Day Phase, Raikaria placed a vote on ActionDan [72] for having only one vote. However, in Raikaria's first real post [73b], he absolves ActionDan of all guilt despite the fact that ActionDan did not address anything about SB, PX, or Zakeri in his post [74].
Given that the crux of Raikaria's earlier argument against ActionDan [72] revolved around ActionDan not applying the same logic towards SB, PX, and Zakeri as opposed to BT, I find it strange that Raikaria's opinion on ActionDan changed so significantly when he did not address any of these issues.

Now, for a significant portion of the first Day Phase, Raikaria's vote remains on PX. This only changes near the end of the day when he changes his vote to Serela [75a]. And if we look at the reasoning he provides for voting Serela at the time, we can see the following statement [75b]. To apply the same logic that Raikaria used against ActionDan much earlier in the day [72], why was Serela the only one to be guilty of not being proactive as opposed to the myriad of lurkers at the time?
In addition to this, he makes mention of SB in this post [75c] as well. I find this statement to be quite contradictory. Whilst Raikaria says that he disagrees with all of SB's statements, going so far as to call them "wild accusations", he states that he still feels that SB is not a sinner and is instead diligent. I propose the following idea in response to this: Is this not a neutral statement that would allow Raikaria flexibility in attempting to determine SB's criminal record?
To quote Raikaria's more recent post [70]: based on interactions regarding SB and Serela [Two townies], I must say that Raikaria flexibility in attempting to determine SB's criminal record?

After this follows the DeLurk shenanigans [40] [41] [42] [44] which I don't intend on revisiting too deeply, outside of the fact that I think Raikaria's arguments regarding DeLurking are asinine.
What I will mention though is that Raikaria follows up these DeLurk shenanigans with a lurker vote on ActionDan [76], which means that Raikaria would rather have us use lynches to remove lurkers from the game as opposed to the tools provided by the moderator. This emphasis on using our lynches on players that we do not believe to have the highest probability of being criminal scum is a topic that I will revisit later in this post.

Now, the remainder of the first Day Phase with regards to Raikaria is largely uninteresting as it is him voting for Zakeri as he believes it is the more likely wagon to reveal a criminal [77].
Let us then move on the Raikaria's activity thus far during the current Day Phase.

As I mentioned in my earlier post [78], the only reason I was of the belief that Raikaria was not a criminal in disguise is due to the fact that he held his beliefs with such conviction.
Now, let us look at Raikaria's first post of the second Day Phase [79]. He ends up voting BT based on shaky reasoning. He continues to vote for BT during the day [80] for various reasons.
This is fine, this aligns with my reasoning so as to why I believed Raikaria to not be a criminal.
However, if we look at the point in time during which Raikaria changes his mind regarding myself, you will notice that, despite having voted for BT for a majority of the second Day Phase, he completely reverses his opinion regarding BT with no reasoning given for this whatsoever. This is similar in behavior to what Raikaria did with ActionDan earlier during the first Day Phase [73b]. To be honest, I had forgotten about the events with ActionDan and this is what began undermining my reasoning for believing that Raikaria was not a criminal. It is difficult to be filled with righteous convictions if your beliefs are inconsistent and susceptible to rapid change.

Following up on what I mentioned earlier about emphasizing using our lynches on players that we do not believe have the highest probability of being criminal scum, I shall state that I find it of interest that Raikaria spent a majority of the first Day Phase voting for Serela based on the reasoning that he was not contributing to the thread. During the wagon consolidation phase Raikaria was trying to sway players, as defined by Article 1 [10], to vote for a lurker after stating his distaste of the DeLurk mechanic. During the current Day Phase, Raikaria is trying to gauge interest in a motion for no lynch[81] [82].

In addendum, in response to the following statement by Raikaria [83], I shall say the following:
Don't think so highly of yourself, pumpkin.



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[40] Delurk is anti-town. Especially when the odds that it hits scum is only 22%. The only situation where I would support such an action is if we couple it with the Holy Night; also known as ##NoLynch. Potentially lynching a member of this Holy Congregation; having the Angels smite a second and then the Sinful kill a Third puts us 2/6 on Day 2.
[41] Delurk is a hideously anti-town motion when there is only a 22% chance it hits scum currently.
[42] I had managed to identify that Delurk was anti-town and should not be used.
[44] And yet, despite both of you acknowledging that Delurk at least potentially is anti-town, and PX has stated he is working on something, neither of you have given Amnesty yet.
[70] So; on re-reading Day 1; combined with events today, and combined with information that we did not have yesterday and the holy powers of hindsight, I have come to a new conclusion. While there are certainly misgivings towards other players, based on interactions regarding SB and Serela [Two townies], I must say that Dormio looks significantly more sinful than he did to me yesterday.
[72] Seems a little strange to judge only one neighbour, and not all thy neighbors being treated the same as thou would wish to be treated. ##:Unvote ##Vote: ActionDan
[73a] Lurking in the shadows because you have nothing to say is one thing. Actively spouting unhelpful nonsense is quite another. ##Unvote ## Vote: PX
[73b] ActionDan's confessions to me appear to be in order
[74] In my best attempt to answer the inquisitive Raikaria, I was not seeing much alignment indicative behavior at the time of my last post aside from a passing thought that polly-kun's first post had a town ring to it. I do disagree with his reservations about the impressive lawyerly ways of our Dormio. I haven't processed what may be sufficient content to get a read (or better read as the case may be) on BT/Serela/Polly/Dormio from these last couple pages just yet?but I will come back and do so. Let's all do our very best to find the scum; I know we can do it!
[75a] Unlike the other inactive players, who are merely guilty of Sloth, Serela is currently guilty of Wrath and Sloth. And as such, I feel it is time to change the candidate of condemnation. ##Unvote ##Vote: Serela
[75b] As Serela withdraws into the shadows; the topic having shifted away from him, my suspicion grows. The aformentioned confession from Polaris niggles in the back of my mind. What have you done except respond, my child? Looking back, I see nothing... proactive. While the Good Book does say let he without sin throw the first stone, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And the little would-be waffle seems to only be returning ocular blows.
[75c] 7: SB - I'm unsure what to make of his recent Dormio vote. 'Half-Fine' seems superior to unhelpful or nothing at all. Also; while I agree with his suspicion on PX, I fail to see where the idea of PX/Dormio specifically as a scumteam comes from. Is it not too soon to be throwing around such wild accusations? Especially when one half of this combination has hardly done anything as of yet? Still; a lack of me agreeing on all points does not mean judgement of sin. Being wrong is not a sin. If anything, it shows a virtue of Diligence.
[76] So; for the time being, I shall pass judgement upon the other major lurker, in a manner that does not potentially condemn the righteous to a Day 2 MYLO. This is far from a final vote, as I have previously stated, my confessional booth is open all day. ##: Unvote ##Vote: ActionDan
[77] Late night typing in a hurry. I rate a Zakeri lynch over Dormio.
[78] Assuming that Raikaria is not taking refuge in audacity, I find it difficult to convince myself that Raikaria's opinions mirror that of a criminal. I believe Raikaria to be an enthusiastic, if somewhat misguided, player within this game.
I am of the opinion that, were Raikaria to be a criminal, he would be less inclined to continue following through with his flawed line of reasoning when facing the heavy opposition as he is now. Of course, this is simply speculation on my part, but speculation is all I have to work with now.
[79] BT frankly dosen't seem to be scumhunting much either; just parking on a D1 lurker. ##Vote: BT
[80] Also the fact BT is not listening to the congregation further supports the concept that he is not looking for sin.
[81] As another alternative, we could opt to No Lynch tonight; get more information via someone flipping, as well as use the extended Holy Night of Celebrations to get all out ideas and thoughts in order.
[82] Worth noting I am merey putting the option of a No Lynch out there because I'm fairly sure most of us have been fairly busy on this holy day, and have other thoughts than a game of Mafia.
[83] Very co-incidental that Dormio's opinion of me should change when I re-read and my opinion of him becomes more negative.

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #401 on: December 24, 2018, 11:41:28 PM »
dead man's fingers

dormio that's all fine and dandy (i didn't actually read this i just skimmed it) but aren't we nearing deadline? do you have an opinion on, like, the main wagon (PX)

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #402 on: December 24, 2018, 11:46:49 PM »
Weighing Scale 2.4

PX(4): Polaris Zakeri BT kinumi
BT(2): Serela Dormio
Raikaria(1): PX
Dormio(1): Raikaria

Countdown!

13 minutes left hemosiderin

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #403 on: December 24, 2018, 11:47:45 PM »

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #404 on: December 24, 2018, 11:57:23 PM »
This post is a response to Polaris' post [84] and BT's post [85].
Acting in accordance with Article 3 [12], the unvote that would normally be placed here has been removed.
##Vote: PX
Whilst PX has provided some content today, ultimately I feel that this lynch would still amount to a lurker lynch. I do not take claims into consideration.
I would prefer to DeLurk PX instead, but alas.

In response to BT's question, I present the following question in response:
What is life without proper evidence and documentation?



[12] Dormio is a dick and this is why we cannot have fun things. I don't need unvotes, I'm a big boy and I can count votes.
[84] dormio that's all fine and dandy (i didn't actually read this i just skimmed it) but aren't we nearing deadline? do you have an opinion on, like, the main wagon (PX)
[85] do you just use screencap constantly? what a life

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #405 on: December 26, 2018, 02:50:30 PM »
That was certainly a Christmas, ha ha...

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Name: Air Miles
Cause of Death: Suicide
Goodness Reason: Pious soul always ready to help others



Actually, you've always used others. Helping them was just an unfortunate side-effect of furthering your own goals in life. But hey, if the Angels think it's good enough for Heaven, who are you to argue?

You didn't die alone: you shot your best friend before you took the gun to yourself. Your best friend's here, too, but he doesn't remember you shooting him. He's determined to help you, so make good use of him while you try to eliminate the real scum in your midst.

Which isn't you.

Powers:
Secretary: You're a secretary. Everyone must believe you are a secretary. A helpful one, at that. Always offer helpful advice, even to people who don't want or need any: if your every post doesn't contain some helpful advice, or a helpful offer, or a benign gesture, the Angels might catch on to you not being as helpful as they thought. One misstep doesn't mean the noose, just don't push it. A simple, "here you go" goes a long way.
Die For Me: During the Night, you can direct your Best Friend to ##PROTECT a target. Your Best Friend will then shadow said person, and they will be bulletproof until the start of the next Night Phase. Should an attempt be made on the target in spite of that, your Best Friend will die instead. Afterwards, you lose this ability. It's possible to send your Best Friend to protect yourself.

Win Condition:
Remain in Heaven and weed out the real Scum.

Good luck.

Congratulations, you lynched the Doc! PX was Town!

About 1 day to send in Night Actions.

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #406 on: December 26, 2018, 05:44:04 PM »
End of Day 2 Votecount


PX(5): Polaris Zakeri BT kinumi, Dormio
BT(2): Serela
Raikaria(1): PX
Dormio(1): Raikaria


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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #407 on: December 26, 2018, 11:08:35 PM »

Bardiche

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #408 on: December 27, 2018, 04:27:33 PM »
Ah shoot, due to mod error I'll have to end the game. I made a mistake that leads to an irreparable game state.

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #409 on: December 27, 2018, 04:41:05 PM »
Did you tell a townie who the scum are by accident?

Anyways RIP

BUT WHO WAS MAFIA
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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #410 on: December 27, 2018, 04:58:52 PM »
RIP in pieces

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #411 on: December 27, 2018, 06:50:57 PM »
That's rather anticlimactic.

Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #412 on: December 27, 2018, 06:57:55 PM »
yay i'm free

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #413 on: December 27, 2018, 07:04:44 PM »
Did you tell a townie who the scum are by accident?

Anyways RIP

BUT WHO WAS MAFIA

I gave the Watcher a role result even though he was Roleblocked. The Watcher correctly watched Scum.

So either the Scum RB had to mysteriously fail, or the Watcher had mysteriously obtained a result he should not have had.

Thus.

Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #414 on: December 27, 2018, 07:32:18 PM »
lol

pretty sure BT was mafia after thinking about it overnight.

The rolecop was just a bonus action for me, my real role was tracker. The Rolecop I got on BT though was for a watcher/tracker combo, which I thought was weird but passed it up for some reason.

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #415 on: December 27, 2018, 07:39:18 PM »
You're a tracker rolecop and copped a trackerwatcher and TOLD EVERYONE HE'S PROBABLY TOWN oh my god zak you're fired
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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #416 on: December 27, 2018, 07:40:55 PM »
this is weird because i am also a tracker???

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #417 on: December 27, 2018, 07:41:39 PM »
I stopped the lynch on Zakeri D1, by the way. I thought you guys might like to know that.

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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #418 on: December 27, 2018, 07:42:58 PM »
Is everyone a tracker???

ok who was the scumt hough
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Re: MotK 3: Dead Townies [Day 2]
« Reply #419 on: December 27, 2018, 08:35:55 PM »
I was the hidden mafia, was watched going on the kill by accident.
good game folks


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