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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #510 on: November 22, 2018, 04:39:03 pm »
For people so inclined to overplay the game past the end, poison might actually be a really good way to kill random enemies at immense levels... the higher your level gets, the closer they'll get to dropping their entire HP bar in a single tick, which would be achieved safely(ish) via speed-build Aya. Even if the poison ALSO wears off in about as much time. Of course, I'd have to wonder how many infinite enemies particularly resist it. Sounds like Eirin has an immense infliction chance though to help out, especially if Reisen is fielded.

And it's somewhat relevant on those immense-defense bosses, which are not easy fights.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #511 on: November 22, 2018, 08:39:19 pm »
I was fixing part of Hina's character section (Curse Reversal does indeed overwrite her original debuffs); then I ended up testing some of Hina's skills and noticed the in-game description numbers on some are a bit inaccurate. Misfortune Stockpiling transfers 30% of debuffs per level instead of 33%.  Spinning More than Usual's game description is completely inaccurate, the buff is 25% to all stats instead of 33% and the MP recovery 3 instead of 10 (just goes to show that quite literaly no one ever uses the skill  :V).

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #512 on: November 22, 2018, 09:05:44 pm »
How do you guys grind levels? I'm finally looking to finish this game off and close the book on it, but the sheer grindwall is really getting in my way. I've been faming b11, but at the rate it's been going, it seems like I'll need 15-30 hours of nothing but this before I'm up to that 1700-2000 range to actually end the game. I'm 1100 now. Is this all I can really do, just put in the time, or is there some protip to speed this up?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #513 on: November 22, 2018, 11:10:16 pm »
Yeah, that's about it. If you aren't wiping everything out nearly instantly, farming Metal Kedama on 30f might be faster for a few hundred levels. It would certainly be easier. You are farming the section of 11f where 4-5 enemies spawn per encounter, right?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #514 on: November 23, 2018, 04:41:33 am »
So I came back to this game after a while to play it with the 1.105 patch and I'm currently at 20F with just the Ame-no-Murakumo left to beat to complete the main story. It turns out that at some point the Magatama of the High God got fixed so that it doesn't use Concentrate for no reason at 50% HP. Instead, it uses Grace of Tama no Oya no Mikoto, which is the move that the sword uses to heal itself and give a 100% buff to both defenses. This info isn't on the wiki (English or Japanese) and I didn't see anyone in the thread mention it, so I wanted to make sure to bring this to someone else's attention. Maybe someone with a wiki account can make a quick edit?

Incidentally, it didn't really affect the difficulty of the fight too much for me. I went in expecting to be able to exploit the fact that its scripted moves can't kill anyone and just burst its entire HP bar down with attackers (Flandre and Reisen primarily), and with a bit of luck (the one random move it got to throw at me was just the HP halving move) I was still able to chew through it despite the extra health and buffs.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #515 on: November 24, 2018, 11:52:42 am »
Huh, so apparently, while DBF resistance  decreases the chance of a debuff landing in the first place, it also INCREASES the strength of the debuffs you receive; for every 10 points of resistance you have, it increases the strength of a debuff you're inflicted with by 3,5% (so having 80 resistance multiplies the strength of any debuff you're inflicted with by 1,3). This applies for both the allies' DBF resistance  and each of the enemies' individual DBF resistances. I'm not sure if that's how its supposed to work.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #516 on: November 24, 2018, 03:28:19 pm »
Huh, well that would explain why Hina's Biorhythm debuffs usually hit for 40~50%. Pretty sure it's supposed to be the other way around.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #517 on: November 24, 2018, 03:34:45 pm »
Hey all, been a while since I posted here.  Just a super quick question!

I'm starting to get burned out on beating bosses at their challenge level, but I'm worried that if I don't do this, I'll miss out on some loot that I can never obtain later.

Is there permanently missable loot to be gained from fighting bosses at their challenge level?  Thanks!

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #518 on: November 24, 2018, 03:49:16 pm »
Nope, it's just stat boost Gems, which are mass-farmable in late plus disk. However, they're only available in very limited quantity until halfway through Plus Disk, and still somewhat limited until the final floor.

But, nothing permanently missable. You can get all you like eventually.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #519 on: November 24, 2018, 04:30:25 pm »
Hey all, been a while since I posted here.  Just a super quick question!

I'm starting to get burned out on beating bosses at their challenge level, but I'm worried that if I don't do this, I'll miss out on some loot that I can never obtain later.

Is there permanently missable loot to be gained from fighting bosses at their challenge level?  Thanks!

Also, in addition to what Serela did, you can remove characters from your party in order to lower the average level - for example, a lvl 80 challenge boss could be easily wiped by a party of 4 lvl 240 characters.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #520 on: November 24, 2018, 04:50:55 pm »
Plus Cirno can be used as a lv1 suicide bomb for her irresistable -50% spd debuff on death passive.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #521 on: November 25, 2018, 05:01:00 pm »
Hello, I'm new here, I just defeated Yamata no Orochi and somehow the achievement for defeating it still hasn't been unlocked, can someone explain what did I do wrong? Or more like, I can't unlock any of the plus disk achievement at all?
my version is 1.104a
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #522 on: November 27, 2018, 05:35:39 am »
Hello, I'm new here, I just defeated Yamata no Orochi and somehow the achievement for defeating it still hasn't been unlocked, can someone explain what did I do wrong? Or more like, I can't unlock any of the plus disk achievement at all?
my version is 1.104a
Well, you should update to the latest version then, which I believe is 1.105. It shouldn't make a difference technically but it couldn't hurt to be up to date. Maybe it'll fix itself after updating, since you'd boot the save file up using the new executable.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #523 on: November 27, 2018, 02:40:20 pm »
Well, it's worth noting there's an achievement for defeating a different from of the Yamato No Orochi found further in plus disk. Although, you should have achievement 45 if you beat the Final Main Plot Boss version of him and got your plus disk credits. Can you literally not get ANY plus disk achievements at all? That's a strange bug. I would try updating first, yeah.

Keep in mind you need a new version of the english exe after you update to 1.105 as well. Which is here! https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qeCHUohX3mV-eSSCCUVeeIW3HpAREoyK

If you've somehow been using mismatched versions of plus disk and english patch and the game actually runs, I guess that could potentially be your problem, but I don't know that it'd even function...
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #524 on: November 27, 2018, 03:55:28 pm »

I'm not sure what is going on anymore

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #525 on: November 27, 2018, 08:44:54 pm »
Uh... something is very broken. :T Might just want to back up your saves and make a new installation of the game...
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #526 on: November 27, 2018, 10:27:28 pm »
I'm now making it through some of the main game's postgame and I have another tiny change to report. During the first boss rush, when the three Golden Orbs spawn, it is now the Golden Orb of Forward time that comes in with 0 ATB gauge with the others at 5000, when previously it was the Orb of the Canopy.

Also, on the topic if achievement issues, do the postgame achievements ever show their full information? I'm still getting the achievements and their rewards, and I see that the achievement descriptions tell you what they were for, but the lines that usually tell you what it's for and what the reward is still show as question marks even after I get them.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #527 on: November 27, 2018, 10:57:19 pm »
Also, on the topic if achievement issues, do the postgame achievements ever show their full information? I'm still getting the achievements and their rewards, and I see that the achievement descriptions tell you what they were for, but the lines that usually tell you what it's for and what the reward is still show as question marks even after I get them.
Just the ones on the bottom line are like that, that you get from beating the big required-to-progress bosses. All the others should be showing their info.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #528 on: November 28, 2018, 05:46:56 pm »
Curious, how do I update to ver. 1.105?

Edit: nvm got it
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 18F
« Reply #529 on: December 08, 2018, 05:45:09 am »
Question: is there a new game plus save file available yet with all characters unlocked, plus disk included? the one pinned to the thread is the onl one that stops before Maribel and Renko.
 

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