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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2019, 09:07:10 pm »
Oh wow.

Kasen is an Oni.

Who saw this coming.

What a twist.

Early WaHH chapters sorta draw a triangle that links Humans, Hermit and Oni, where if Hermits are Humans who restrain their passions and stuff, then Onis are their complete opposite as they completely give into these. Sort of (at least something to that effect). Since this shows for real that Kasen is and was an Oni all along, this to me raises some questions regarding her abilities or regarding the use of powers that belong to another race in general : can any youkai use hermit arts just by practicing ascetism or is it just an Oni or a Kasen thing ? Cuz there's no denying that Kasen's Hermit powers and (some) practices are genuine : eating mist, having her own hermit world, EVEN having a Shinigami on her case ... Like, can she still use her hermit powers now that she's gone full Oni ? Was she not a proper Oni but a Hermit before this ? And some other stuff ...

Spoiler is cool and all, looking forward to the full chapter.

Also rip Kasen hair buns (2010 - 2019), we hardly knew ye

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2019, 10:08:01 pm »
I think in some stories oni are created by cursing people? It's possible that the real Kasen was originally an actual hermit, and that she got cursed and turned into a oni. Then she somehow had her oni-ness removed along with her arm (maybe the arm is what was cursed?).

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2019, 11:26:21 pm »
My friend pointed out that all the youkai sages so far have a separate space/dimension for themselves. Given how Gensokyo is a sort of pocket dimension bound by the border, and given how Kasen has a lot of power over the border, her being able to make her own pocket dimension that resembles a hermit's senkai isn't surprising.

That said, my theory is that Kasen isn't exactly an Oni. We never learned WHY Kasen was searching for her arm. My guess is that it's evil and what we see in the leak isn't Kasen but an Oni resembling Kasen with her arm. The actual Kasen might very well have become a hermit after being separated from her evil arm.
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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2019, 01:24:12 am »
Perhaps the arm grew a new body?
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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2019, 05:33:04 am »
Yeah the arm probably grew a new body cos the fancy character title card for evil Kasen straight-up says "Monster Arm that Shuns Good and Cultivates Evil: THE ARM OF IBARAKI-DOUJI "

(which is kind of hilarious imo. an entire character title card for a literal arm and it has "NAME: ARM" written on it i love it)

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2019, 08:21:48 am »
Also, here's a completely arbitrary theory: that Kasen has wanted to retrieve her arm not for any personal benefit, but to get it away from the world so it doesn't cause trouble if unsealed. Up until the very end we would be led to believe that she wants to get her arm back for herself, and in order to save Reimu it might seem like she has to make a choice, but surprise her goal was to destroy it or something all along. Maybe.
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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2019, 10:35:11 am »
the fancy character title card for evil Kasen straight-up says "Monster Arm that Shuns Good and Cultivates Evil: THE ARM OF IBARAKI-DOUJI "
Wow, didn't notice that ...

Okay with an arm growing a body, but new clothes and shackles ? Ehh, dunno. Maybe it's like one of those things where all the everything bad within one person (Kasen of the past here) got sealed away inside something (her arm), and this wilder and meaner Kasen is like the bad sealed stuff given form after it got released, and that form is her form from when the bad within her got sealed ? Or something.

 This sorta put Kasen mentioning her arm being "alive" into perspective ...

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2019, 08:20:59 pm »
I've seen some other spoilers. I like what i'm seeing.

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2019, 06:59:34 am »
Oh great, now I have to wait till April...ugh.

BUT, holy crap, an actual FIGHT in a Touhou Manga? That DOESN'T happen off-screen? I hope this lasts.
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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2019, 07:08:21 am »
And it also looks good.

The next months are gonna be great. Danmaku book, fairies in Hell (?), second half of this, and maybe ZUN announces something new for Reitaisai.

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2019, 08:29:09 am »
Now we have two options how manga will end.
1. Kasen will get her arm back.
2. Kasen's arm will be destroyed.
Knowing, how ZUN likes to stay in the status quo, the second one is much more likely.

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2019, 06:01:18 pm »
Oh yeah, Clarste got the full chapter, fyi.

I didn't check the spoiler before-hand but I knew from the obvious hints that Kasen was what she was.

Zun finally answered a question just to create 15 more. Obviously.

Now, what I wonder, is they are separate entities, somehow. I wonder if the "good" Kasen will come and save Reimu. I'm pretty sure that the Arm-Kasen don't give a shit about danamku, she's out for blood. Heck, I can see good vs. evil Kasen in the next chapter.

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2019, 06:31:30 pm »
Wow, it's quite a change of pace to see pure, complete and silent action instead of the usual exposition that is usually given in Touhou mangas. I've seen people mentioning how impractical action shots in Touhou would be considering the fact that immobile drawings cannot quite capture the kaleidoscope-like patterns and the beauty of danmaku battles, but I have seen my fair share of doujins that have exactly that : it's possible to do it, and this surprisingly works (albeit with less beauty cuz Oni)

Making a LOT of assumptions and speculations here, but aside from the action, chapter 49 doesn't answer a lot of questions but instead add new ones and can potentially be a bit confusing : with the distinct character title, Reimu refering to the oni Kasen as an arm, and even oni Kasen talking about her "non-existant" form or something, I would infer that oni's arm Kasen should be a distinct "individual" from Hermit Kasen. I would assume that the real form the arm took should be Kasen's form from some point in time, and that she is as wild and vile as the Oni of old cuz oni Kasen was as bad as them back in the days. Like, the personality of  arm Kasen is exactly how the arm "remembered" it to be back before it got severed from Kasen, and this non-existant real form is like a not-updated Kasen or something ... UNLESS it somehow turns out that that's actually just Kasen, then all the crap I said just go out the window.

There are a few things that are still a bit unclear and potentially confusing : is the not-silhouette Kasen the real, actual Kasen or not ? When the oni's arm Kasen refers to Reimu as the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, is it aware of Reimu's identity, as in instead of Reimu being some random girl who is the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, it's a person named Reimu first of all ? What ARE the exact chain of events that lead to Reimu being in Hell ? (still not clarified) Cuz regardless of the various hints towards Kasen being an oni, this story arc, which is pretty major, kinda came out of nowhere.

Anyway, if ZUN intend to have things go back to normal, the way to go would be to have Kasen and arm Kasen be two distinct people, with Kasen considering the latter to be some unfinished business of sorts. Tenshi and Komachi will probably confront her on her identity somewhere down the line, and we might get some clarification towards Kasen's motives and objectives at that point. I'm not really expecting Kasen to put her agenda in action tbh, if that does happen then I'd be surprised.

Also, the thing with Reimu's body ending up where she is seems very suspicious to me. It would be TOO good if it was a freak accident involving Reimu accidentally teleporting to ANOTHER WORLD entirely and breaking out of Avici's gimmick ... might possibly be Yukari doing her weird Reimu-all-in gambles again or something ...

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Re: Wild and Horned Hermit latest chapter discussion
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2019, 04:35:55 pm »
Day 0 cosplay! Well, technically Day 2 cosplay, since this is from Saturday evening, but who's counting? My wife had a lot of fun spoiling everyone at the KatsuCon 2019 Touhou photoshoot with this getup, though I don't know if anyone actually understood the significance of it.

I do sort of wonder if the Japanese fandom has found this picture (or any of the group photoshoot pictures she was in) in any capacity yet. I'm curious as to what they'd think about it getting done so fast. (It's not really visible from the selfie, but the arm and leg chains were also accurate, and clearly there's no wrapped arm.)


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