I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore. You said Byakuren isn't 100% pure and perfect, but then when someone said "I finally realized Byakuren isn't 100% pure and perfect" you flipped out at him?
Yeah, she isn?t pure and perfect because it is within her official character, a practitioning monk who still strive for monk-hood daily. It shouldn?t even be a fact that needs to be debated
But the people here argues that ?she isn?t perfect? because ?she did this and that that can be somewhat interpreted negatively, so I am going to conclusively decide that this is the canon evidence why she is flawed?.
Just because the premise of what you are getting at is correct, that doesn?t mean the path you use to arrive there is guaranteed to be sound
You seem more upset by the fact that it was AoCF that got me to say "she's not perfect" than the fact that I'm saying "she's not perfect". You seem to think that everyone suddenly wants to call Byakuren a witch, when in fact most of us have only been saying she's not an angel.
Yeah, I wouldn?t mind so much if SoPM was the ?mind changing revelation?, since let?s face it, a lot of the allegation in there can certainly be suspicious even when they are not conclusive
But for AoCF, the game that actually positively reinforce her positive traits, is the game that you actually get negative interpretation out of, due to a gag scene, is just completely unjust.
If anything, HM was more defaming to her characters than AoCF ever was, and I wouldn?t even bat an eye if people were to say ?HM is the game that makes me find Byakuren questionable?
While I hate to use this as an argument as it feels kind of cheap, I have to say. Even if in hindsight we can see "oh, Byakuren never really tried to present herself that way", she kind of was set up that way during her introduction. As was pointed out, "Youkai Jesus" was taken pretty seriously pre-SoPM. It didn't become a meme until ZUN made it obvious that she wasn't that way. A lot of people, myself included, really did think she was a perfect saint for a loooong time. The reason I hate to say this is because... "if you weren't around back then, it makes sense you wouldn't know that" sounds a bit derogatory.
I was around back then, and my stance still remains: It?s a meme
She was never set up for more than anything but a striving practitioner monk who is close to sainthood (though depends on which objective definition of Saint, she kinda fits). But even so the fact is that all the ?evidence? people have used to debunk her supposed ?virtues?, is groundless
I don?t have issue with people saying she is flawed, I have issue with the evidences that are used to arrive at that conclusion
And as you are saying, if this is really was the fan interpretaion problem alone, then what?s with the person specifically calling her a hypocrite and lying, when she was never the one making those grand claims?
As for Cyberangel, again, you're taking things very out of context. Byakuren wasn't a perfect saint 1000 years ago. She still isn't a perfect saint. Nobody's "judging" her or calling her satan because of that. On top of that, even in their first post, they said "whether Byakuren's still feeding her selfish side or trying to overcome it, the fact that she hides that side of her seems a bit hypocritical".
Yeah, that?s wrong.
Firstly, the claim of ?Hypocritical? would only be applicable if she claims to be lacking of such flaws, which she never claim so, making the claim entirely flawed by definition
Second, all the evidences for this supposed ?selfish side? of her is either farfetched, or ain?t there in the first place.
It is CANONICALLY stated base on the official ZUN title given to her ?The Nun who overcame 8 Suffering?. Base on the title alone, by definition, this supposed ?selfish side? claim directly contradict a canon source, since part of the definition of overcoming the 8 sufferings, is overcoming desires, personal wants and needs.
This is why I said these claims completely fall apart when paired with Canon material.
Thirdly, for any claim that she could be deeply selfish inside with ulterior motive and is trying to hide it, this once agains contradict with the VERY Canon premise of her being: and feats
-A being who communicates with Buddhist saint, and receives blessing, by definition, needs to be a wholly virtuous individual
-She can communicates with Buddha saints, and receive their direct aids in form of blessing and summonings in battle, The claim that ?she could be secretly malicious? fals appart under such feats.
-Her virtues hasve also been recognised by fellow gods and saint figure of different religions (Kanako from Touhou 12 ending, and more recently Miko recognising her characters in Miko ending)
All these canon reasons alone cause a lot of allegations regarding her ?purity test? to completely falls apart. Yet it would still indeed be reasonabke to still make the claim that she still has flaws, and is imperfect. Yes, that is still a reasonable claim since she is still on the practitioner path.
But to use flaw evidences, speculations, and sheerfalsehood, that falls apart when analyse against pre*established canon, to prove that point instead, is what I have issue with.
TL;DR:
+She is stiill imperfect and flaw: Yeah, that?s reasonable
-She is so because this evidence here of dubious quality: I take issue with that
But even if you weren't taking things out of context, there's no reason to get so upset at me or kilga or half the people here about it.
Despite the tone, I am no upset. I am merely pointing out the arguments here that are simply wrong.
